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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome to another edition of nightcav. I am Shannon Sharp,
Speaker 2: your favorite uncle, and he is Chad O. Chajoe Sinko,
Speaker 2: your favorite number eighty five. That's me Ring of honor
Speaker 2: Cincinnati Bengals. Great, thanks for joining us. Let's jump right
Speaker 2: into it, Ohoe. Tonight, the Seahawks hammer the Giants twenty
Speaker 2: four to three. Remember they got beat forty nothing at
Speaker 2: home open the night against the Cowboys. Cowboys, Daniel Jones
Speaker 2: was sacked ten times, two picks fumble loss. Let's just say,
Speaker 2: Danny Dims tonight wasn't worth a wooden nickel what you
Speaker 2: got for me?
Speaker 1: Listen.
Speaker 4: I love Daniel Jones. I love him obviously. He is
Speaker 4: the forty million dollars quarterback in the Big Apple. The
Speaker 4: New York Giants. They decided not to pay Saquon Barkley obviously,
Speaker 4: even though Saquon Barkley is hurt, I think he could
Speaker 4: have he could have helped a little bit to that.
Speaker 4: I don't think it would have changed the outcome of
Speaker 4: the game. But Daniel Jones, just watching him play the
Speaker 4: first half his longest, his longest pass in the first
Speaker 4: half with seven yards. With seven yards, that's not going
Speaker 4: to get you a w at all at all. Darren Waller, if.
Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken, had two catches, Yeah, two catches, if
Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken. They were moving the ball. They were
Speaker 1: moving the ball.
Speaker 4: Down the field. They were fishing. But you had a fumble.
Speaker 4: That fumble when when that Daniel Jones strip sacked, slip
Speaker 4: sacking and get you know what, the see off gout
Speaker 4: of that.
Speaker 1: They got points out of that. There was a picks
Speaker 1: there was a pick six.
Speaker 2: Who did that.
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones? Okay, Devin Witherspoon played out of his mind.
Speaker 1: But I'm i'mnn still imna stall, imna sick with the
Speaker 1: Giants right now.
Speaker 4: It was an atrocious showing by the Giants offensively. If
Speaker 4: there was a shiny light or a glimmer of hope
Speaker 4: for the Giants, it was Keevon Thibodeaux.
Speaker 1: It was Kevon Thibodeaux.
Speaker 4: He played some good goddamn football tonight and was one
Speaker 4: of the bright spots on the defensive side of the ball.
Speaker 2: You know, they say money doesn't change you, it makes
Speaker 2: you more of what you already are. In sports, money
Speaker 2: doesn't change you, it makes you richer of what you
Speaker 2: already are. Daniel Jones is a richer average quarterback. And
Speaker 2: somehow owners and general managers think that, you know what,
Speaker 2: if we paid this guy, he'll all of a sudden
Speaker 2: get it. That's not how it works, O Joe. You
Speaker 2: can't say if a guy's lazy, well I'm gonna give
Speaker 2: him a hundred million dollars, then that's gonna motivate it.
Speaker 2: If you're not self motivated, it's gonna be hard for
Speaker 2: money to motivate you. And Daniel Jones is an average quarterback.
Speaker 2: That's what he is. And somehow they thought by giving
Speaker 2: him forty million, what was gonna change what he actually is?
Speaker 2: And it's not.
Speaker 4: But I think we say he was an average quarterback
Speaker 4: based on the standard that we hold quarterbacks to. Your
Speaker 4: paid Mannings, your Tom Brady's, your Patrick Mahomes, your Joe
Speaker 4: Burrows the upper echelon of quarterbacks in today's draft to
Speaker 4: be yeah, yeh, yes it is, but it hasn't panned
Speaker 4: out to be such. It hasn't panned out to be such.
Speaker 4: But with the market, what the market was with with
Speaker 4: with him being up as far as this rookie contract,
Speaker 4: the timing, I mean, he just that that is what
Speaker 4: he commands in general, whether he wants to or not.
Speaker 4: They had the pay them because where else were you
Speaker 4: going you needed a quarterback.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna ask you the question, what can back? Yes,
Speaker 2: ask your question, sir. The housing market is booming, right
Speaker 2: If the house isn't worth twenty million, I'm not paying
Speaker 2: twenty million because that's just what that's what the market.
Speaker 1: That's not That's not the way the NFL works. You
Speaker 1: know that.
Speaker 4: You know how hard it is to find a quarterback.
Speaker 4: You understand how hard you pay one.
Speaker 2: So you just even though you don't you do you
Speaker 2: believe the Giants actually think this guy can take them
Speaker 2: to a Super Bowl? Yes? Or no? Deep down do
Speaker 2: I believe I'm not the Giants. I'm not trying to
Speaker 2: cut in the check the Giants in order. And man,
Speaker 2: you said about him in Week one.
Speaker 1: Hold on, I'm I don't think.
Speaker 4: I don't think they have the tools to be able
Speaker 4: to take the Giants to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: I don't think they have the tools because they not
Speaker 1: using They not used.
Speaker 4: For one, with the tools they do have at their disposal,
Speaker 4: they not using them the right way. They not using
Speaker 4: them the right way.
Speaker 1: They just not.
Speaker 2: What here's the thing? Go ahead?
Speaker 4: And now that I think about it, I think about
Speaker 4: Rerek Grossman, right, Remember Rek Grossman took the Chicago Bear
Speaker 4: to the Super Bowl because that d for one, the
Speaker 4: defense was good, right, the defense.
Speaker 2: And they ran the football with Thomas Jones and.
Speaker 1: They ran the football. Obviously it is a past happy league.
Speaker 1: Now they have a great, great weaponry over there. Sterling
Speaker 1: Shepherd said, we don't we don't need, we don't need.
Speaker 1: You don't need superstars to get that.
Speaker 2: You don't need superstars. You gotta have superstar receivers or
Speaker 2: superstar quarterback. You can't have average on TAPA average and
Speaker 2: expect greatness. When did that happen you?
Speaker 4: You don't have to be great to win a Super Bowl.
Speaker 4: When is the last time we had a great receiver
Speaker 4: to win a Super Bowl?
Speaker 2: You had a great quarterback's Patrick Mahold, not a great
Speaker 2: quarterback quarter average. You're telling me you could take an
Speaker 2: average receiver, an average quarterback and expect greatness. Is that
Speaker 2: what you're telling me?
Speaker 4: You know it comes into play. You know it comes
Speaker 4: into play. If you have average, an average at receiving quarterback,
Speaker 4: you knew it.
Speaker 1: Comes into play. Then you know we're at rich.
Speaker 4: But listen, that's where your coaching comes into play. That's
Speaker 4: where your play calling comes into play. That's when if
Speaker 4: you play spades right and you get a certain hand
Speaker 4: and you get a car, the cars that you are
Speaker 4: dept you got to play a different kind of way
Speaker 4: to win. You gotta play the game in different kind
Speaker 4: of way. If you want to win, Oh ch'all the
Speaker 4: cars that you are dealt, you gotta be able to
Speaker 4: figure it out.
Speaker 2: You can't. The reason do you believe the pages when
Speaker 2: they was winning all of those Super Bowls? Do you
Speaker 2: believe they could have won I'm not the first one notwithstanding,
Speaker 2: but do you could have you believe they could have
Speaker 2: won those Super Bowls without the greatness of Tom Brady.
Speaker 2: They could have taken any other average quarterback. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: leave everything else the same. The only thing I'm removing
Speaker 2: is Tom Brady. Do you believe they win those championships? No? Okay,
Speaker 2: Now with that being said, you just told me you
Speaker 2: can take an average quarterback, average reiver.
Speaker 1: I didn't know. No, No, that's that's not what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: I'm saying if you have an if I don't like
Speaker 4: calling nobody average.
Speaker 1: Anyway.
Speaker 4: This is the NFL. They're they're there for a reason.
Speaker 4: He are the one percent levels. Okay, there is levels,
Speaker 4: but listen to me. If you have an average quarterback
Speaker 4: or average quarterback room or average quarterback, if you have
Speaker 4: average receivers, that means the coaching philosophy, the scheme in
Speaker 4: what you do and go out there a week in
Speaker 4: and week out, has to be that much better.
Speaker 1: It has to be that much better. That's where the
Speaker 1: coaching comes into play.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you it's not excellent O's. It's Gym's and Joe's.
Speaker 2: So you keep telling me coaches. Coach, Okay, coach is
Speaker 2: he not great? How you how is he doing without
Speaker 2: the greatness of Brady?
Speaker 1: Coach Belichick is is a defensive mind, right coach.
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 2: He was defense with John Brady.
Speaker 4: The defensive minded coast though, how's the New England? How's
Speaker 4: the New England papers defense doing that? They're doing goddamn good? Okay,
Speaker 4: how about this they're doing good?
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna tell you all these great you say, Okay,
Speaker 2: Charlie Wise was a great offensive mind. How did they notice? West? Listen?
Speaker 2: Let me let me finish my point, and I'm gonna
Speaker 2: let you chime in. Charlie Wise was Tom Brady's first
Speaker 2: offensive coordinator. How did he do it? Not Tree Dame?
Speaker 2: How did he do it? Kansas? Okay? Josh McDaniels, how
Speaker 2: did he do it? Denver? How's he doing in Oakland?
Speaker 2: Excuse me now, Las Vegas? Okay, I'm gonna go another one.
Speaker 2: Who else? Bill O'Brien, how did he do in Houston?
Speaker 2: So you keep telling me, excellent, You keep telling me
Speaker 2: the great minds, the great minds. Stop fooling yourself.
Speaker 5: O Jo, you know.
Speaker 1: I'm not.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it does come down to players. But again, this
Speaker 4: is the NFL. This is NFL. Even though there are tears.
Speaker 4: I'm just saying, in order for things to work, in
Speaker 4: order for the Giants to get the most out of
Speaker 4: their players, you gotta put them in positions to succeed.
Speaker 1: And now if.
Speaker 4: You have an ad you have average players, and you
Speaker 4: say you have an average quarterback, then the coaching has
Speaker 4: to come into play.
Speaker 1: And be that much more better than what you have than.
Speaker 4: The product on the field. It just has to or
Speaker 4: it gets exposed. And right now they're getting there getting exposed.
Speaker 2: Oh Joe, all I'm saying is that the only thing
Speaker 2: you're gonna get now. You keep saying is tiers, T E,
Speaker 2: A R S. Tiers.
Speaker 1: It's only a few tier ones. It's only a handful
Speaker 1: of them.
Speaker 4: Yes, And everybody ever got to come to play everybody
Speaker 4: ever got to come to play ball.
Speaker 2: Oh Joe, Daniel Jones is not even tier two or
Speaker 2: Tier three. Stop fooling yourself. Stop telling the people that,
Speaker 2: Oh Joe, we listen, you and I we're gonna have
Speaker 2: we look, we gonna joke, we're gonna have a great time.
Speaker 2: But in order for us to maintain credibility, we got
Speaker 2: to be truthful. Now, you know, Daniel Jones is not
Speaker 2: a Tier two or a Tier three quarter I didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't.
Speaker 4: I didn't speak on him being Tier one, two or three.
Speaker 4: I just talked about what he did to night and
Speaker 4: it wasn't sufficient I did that. What about wasn't sufficient
Speaker 4: enough to win win the game?
Speaker 2: So it wasn't about week one that was that was bad.
Speaker 4: That was bad all the flass board only. I only
Speaker 4: said it because it was week one.
Speaker 2: You keep it all up.
Speaker 1: I wasn't. I wasn't all up and arm because it
Speaker 1: was it was week one.
Speaker 2: You dy got win.
Speaker 1: Somebody got to lose.
Speaker 2: You keep you keep getting, you keep this goodness you
Speaker 2: keep saying. If you keep saying, oh goodness, good, good good,
Speaker 2: and Daniel Jones keep giving you these performances. So how
Speaker 2: much more do you need to see before you come
Speaker 2: to the realization? Say you know what, man, I mean
Speaker 2: the Giants not gonna.
Speaker 5: Be with him.
Speaker 1: I just said he didn't play well tonight.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 4: He played well enough. He's done just enough to get
Speaker 4: the contract that he got. Because if you if he wasn't,
Speaker 4: they wouldn't have paid me.
Speaker 2: So we're blacing everything on your.
Speaker 4: There's something, there's something that the Giants organization saw in
Speaker 4: Daniel Jones where he was rewarded the contract that he got.
Speaker 2: So are you working for the Giants? Are you working
Speaker 2: for the Giants organization? I need you to speak to
Speaker 2: what you're saying.
Speaker 4: Okay, I just told you what I saw and now
Speaker 4: I said it to night. I'm not gonna say any
Speaker 4: any any worse than what I already did.
Speaker 1: I stated.
Speaker 4: He threw interception. Two of them at that one. Diggs
Speaker 4: won the Witherspoon, he had a strip sack. All those
Speaker 4: ended up in points. Yes, he didn't play well tonight. Okay,
Speaker 4: he didn't even play well tonight.
Speaker 2: He didn't so so over the course of his career,
Speaker 2: have you seen more good or more bad?
Speaker 4: And that's a that's a goddamn good question that's got
Speaker 4: But based on based on what you're saying, I haven't
Speaker 4: watched enough of Daniel Jones to make that kind of sense.
Speaker 2: Five years stop it league A long time, yeah, he asked.
Speaker 4: I think what we've been able to see from him
Speaker 4: is not the worst of the worst, and it's not
Speaker 4: the best of the best. It's the middle of the
Speaker 4: pack somewhere where he's someone that you can work with
Speaker 4: and be what he's someone that you can work with
Speaker 4: and be effishing with.
Speaker 2: And because he.
Speaker 4: Wasn't if he wasn't as bad as you think, if
Speaker 4: he was as bad as you think, and keep saying
Speaker 4: he is despite what he's putting up, he wouldn't have
Speaker 4: gotten the money he's gotten. So it's something that the
Speaker 4: Giants nobody, So everybody.
Speaker 1: At the Giants see that.
Speaker 4: I can't There's nothing I can say.
Speaker 2: That's what we're on here for. But I I just
Speaker 2: told you, I just told you. I just told you that.
Speaker 2: So everybody, everybody, everybody that's gotten the contract in the NFL.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying deserve because deserve is the same. But
Speaker 2: if playe has basically like put up the numbers to
Speaker 2: warrant them getting the contract they received, everybody that's ever
Speaker 2: played the NFL has done that.
Speaker 1: Got it. You have to do You have to do something.
Speaker 4: There has to be something that they see for you
Speaker 4: to get your money because they ain't just paying No.
Speaker 1: Just know, anybody, you know what, here you go, he
Speaker 1: go forty million dollars. You don't money like that.
Speaker 2: That's not what you just told me. You just told me.
Speaker 2: Where else where the Giant's gonna go. They had to
Speaker 2: pay somebody. That's what you just told me.
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I'm saying, I'm not saying it in that matter.
Speaker 4: He was the best option at the time, which is
Speaker 4: why they paid him.
Speaker 2: So would you rather get hit by matt truck or
Speaker 2: dump truck going sixty miles an hour?
Speaker 1: Either way, You're gonna either way, Daddy.
Speaker 2: That's what I've been trying to get you to say.
Speaker 2: You see how simple that was. See, once I give
Speaker 2: you things and analogy for him, you grasped the concept
Speaker 2: a lot. It's simple.
Speaker 1: Listen, you kill it. You're killing me when we it's
Speaker 1: thirty two. It's thirty two teams in the NFL.
Speaker 4: Yeah, in your top tiers you got by four or
Speaker 4: five players, Yes, you got four or five players.
Speaker 1: So everybody else you got to have something to work with.
Speaker 4: So there's something that the giants saw in Daniel Jones
Speaker 4: that they knew he is an answer for what we're
Speaker 4: trying to do.
Speaker 1: This is all we got to work with right now.
Speaker 2: Well, that's it, that's it. I think the problem that
Speaker 2: you have is that the reason why Daniel Jones can
Speaker 2: be somewhat effective. If Saquan is in and he can
Speaker 2: run the ball, he can catch the ball out of
Speaker 2: the backfield, so he can take those three to five
Speaker 2: yard routes and get you first down, so he can
Speaker 2: get you ten. He can give get you fifteen. He's
Speaker 2: a threat to take the ball to distance without him.
Speaker 2: Now you're asking Daniel Jones and mediocre receivers. And then look,
Speaker 2: if you're in the NFL, your NFL, but there's talent,
Speaker 2: there's levels to you know, everybody's not Tyreek. So one
Speaker 2: of two things gotta happen. Now, if you want to
Speaker 2: go far, somebody has to be great on the offensive side,
Speaker 2: your quarterback, your receivers. Something has to be great, because
Speaker 2: if it's not, you're not gonna go very far. Average
Speaker 2: and average it's not gonna get you very far.
Speaker 4: And again that's why the first thing I said, if
Speaker 4: you if these are your words, if you have an
Speaker 4: average quarterback, room, yeah, you have an average quarterback.
Speaker 1: If you have so called average receivers.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that means to mask and get the most out
Speaker 4: of your offense and offensive players. The coaching in the
Speaker 4: scheme has to be that much better if you don't
Speaker 4: have the players.
Speaker 2: Okay, so tell me the it just doesn't tell me.
Speaker 2: Tell me the coach that can get it done, that
Speaker 2: can get it done with Daniel Jones and those receivers.
Speaker 1: Oh well, he's he's in Kansas City. And the other
Speaker 1: one is in he's in Kansas.
Speaker 4: City calling the players in Kansas City, and the other
Speaker 4: one Patrick and the other one is calling the players
Speaker 4: in uh in DC.
Speaker 2: He's Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 4: And it's another one named last name Shanahan. He's with
Speaker 4: the forty nine ers. I'm giving you, I'm giving you
Speaker 4: offensive coaches that have your creative mind, that can get
Speaker 4: the most out of their players, which is maybe what
Speaker 4: the Giants offensive staff is lacking the creativity, the creativity
Speaker 4: that they need to be successful if everybody's so average.
Speaker 2: But here is the thing. If you have average quarterback
Speaker 2: and you have average receivers, what's the one thing that
Speaker 2: can't do?
Speaker 1: Turn turn the ball over?
Speaker 2: What is what is Daniel Jones done just about as
Speaker 2: much as more more than just about anybody else in
Speaker 2: the league. Since he's been in the league.
Speaker 1: He's turned it all over. So now you gotta protect
Speaker 1: the ball.
Speaker 2: You don't have greatness Like Patrick Mahomes can play bad,
Speaker 2: but he has the ability to overcome back. Daniel Jones
Speaker 2: can't play, but can't turn the ball over and have
Speaker 2: the ability to overcome back because he doesn't have a U.
Speaker 2: Justin Jefferson, he doesn't have a Tyreek. He doesn't have
Speaker 2: these elite level receivers. So that's the problem that you're
Speaker 2: running into with the Daniel Jones. Now this notion that
Speaker 2: we in the NFL, but you notice that ojoe quarterback
Speaker 2: is the only position that they'll overpay and say, well,
Speaker 2: if we overpay it, we can make something out. They
Speaker 2: won't do that for receiver. They won't do that for
Speaker 2: the running back. The running back, even the top running
Speaker 2: backs can barely get money. Tell me the other position
Speaker 2: that you can be average to below average, they'll pay
Speaker 2: you above a market value above just like you know
Speaker 2: what all we got to do? Well, where else can
Speaker 2: we go to find it? They'll go out and find
Speaker 2: an offensive linement. They'll go out and find everybody. But
Speaker 2: for a average quarterback, I'm not saying you're trying to
Speaker 2: replace Patrick Mahomes or Justin Herbert or one of these
Speaker 2: top ten quarterbacks. Dan Jones not top ten.
Speaker 4: But this is this is the funny thing about it.
Speaker 4: You know how scarce the quarterback position is. You know
Speaker 4: how scarce and hard it is to find a quality
Speaker 4: quarterback or just a quarterback that can run your offense
Speaker 4: and just be efficient. You don't have to be Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 4: You don't have to be Jalen Hurts. You don't have
Speaker 4: to be Patrick. I mean, you don't have to be
Speaker 4: Joe Burrow or goddamn Josh Allen. But to find a
Speaker 4: quarterback that can be efficient and just run the offense
Speaker 4: and just give you a chance. Can you give me
Speaker 4: a chance on Sunday?
Speaker 2: Can you be that is?
Speaker 1: It's still hard to find. It's hard to find.
Speaker 2: Oh Jo. The problem that I have is that you
Speaker 2: gave of a guy that kind of money when you
Speaker 2: knew your offensive line was in shambles. That offensive line.
Speaker 2: They didn't upgrade the offensive line. So the offensive line
Speaker 2: got him pummeled last year, be getting pumped, I mean
Speaker 2: he got We thought he got obliterated. In Week one,
Speaker 2: they only sacked him seven times.
Speaker 5: He got ten tonight tonight, Yeah, yeah, ten.
Speaker 2: And so I just don't understand the Giants philosophy is
Speaker 2: that you don't protect him, you don't give him a
Speaker 2: true number one receiver that he can throw to. And
Speaker 2: now Saquan is out, Now where do you go? Where
Speaker 2: do you find it? Because you got to say and
Speaker 2: and and when he came off the field, the coach
Speaker 2: Brian Dayba was like, bro, we ran a whip route.
Speaker 2: You want you won You run that route anticipating the
Speaker 2: DV is gonna be on your hip. So if you're
Speaker 2: gonna miss, you gotta miss inside. Oh John, if you
Speaker 2: miss on his hip, the dv's on his hip, you're
Speaker 2: gonna hit him right in his chest. And where did
Speaker 2: you hit him at?
Speaker 1: Right between the numbers.
Speaker 2: Rails. I like a reservation for six and that's a
Speaker 2: very hard restaurant to get into it in New York.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah. The Giants are the Giants now
Speaker 2: three and eleven. In the last eleven games in which
Speaker 2: Sakuon Barkley is missed, Daniel Jones has more interceptions than touchdowns.
Speaker 2: In games that Sakuon Barkley does not play, Daniel Jones
Speaker 2: is one to twelve and primetime games worst winning percentage ever.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say that again, John Marra, the tissues, whomever
Speaker 2: thet the general manager is, Brian day Ball. You don't
Speaker 2: go because Daniel Jones. Saquon Barkley is the engine. Suon
Speaker 2: Barkley is the engine.
Speaker 1: Everybody knew that, but for some reason they oh.
Speaker 4: They knew, they knew, they knew they understand. They understand,
Speaker 4: but they had They try.
Speaker 2: To totally line for the NFL lead to keep the
Speaker 2: running back. They try to keep the running back and suppressed.
Speaker 1: They trying to suppress the mark yep, yeah, but not suffering.
Speaker 2: True. Let's move it along. Rodney Harrison. I played against Rodney.
Speaker 2: We were in the same division for a number of years.
Speaker 2: Very good friend of mine. We used to work out
Speaker 2: together occasionally when he was and he moved to Atlanta.
Speaker 2: I lived in Atlanta, so I know Rodney very well.
Speaker 2: He said something last night where Chris Jones after the game,
Speaker 2: and he asked him, did it surprise you that Zach
Speaker 2: Wilson played so well considering what you had seen on tape?
Speaker 2: And he caught a lot of blowback because people and
Speaker 2: and and I want to get your thoughts, and I'm
Speaker 2: gonna go back and tell you what I'm thinking. And
Speaker 2: he caught a lot of blowback for what he said.
Speaker 2: And then he refhrayed ask him another way, and he
Speaker 2: said that he was garbage. What what are your what
Speaker 2: are your thoughts on what Rodney said? And how Chris
Speaker 2: Jones handled that.
Speaker 1: Chris Jones class act class act? He the class act.
Speaker 4: Rodney Harrison trying to bait him into saying something bad
Speaker 4: about Zach based on Rodney's assessment, based on Zach's play,
Speaker 4: and everywhere everybody else has been saying. And I like
Speaker 4: to think I'm one of the few that have always
Speaker 4: stuck up a Zach, you know, for the past three years.
Speaker 1: But that was and I had this problem with you.
Speaker 4: Before as well, with you wanting me to be a
Speaker 4: little bit more critical of players so I can have
Speaker 4: some type of credibility when I am talking about the
Speaker 4: players and being able to analyze them and making a
Speaker 4: fair assessment and about their play. And I and I
Speaker 4: kind of shun on the idea of doing so because
Speaker 4: players don't really take it well. They take it personal,
Speaker 4: you know. And one of the things for someone like
Speaker 4: Rodney Harrison, who's been in the business on the other
Speaker 4: side now for quite some time, I think was very unprofessional,
Speaker 4: very unprofessional, to to go that route and speak that
Speaker 4: way about about a player in that manner. There are
Speaker 4: ways to analyze and critique players on their play out
Speaker 4: at being personal.
Speaker 1: Oh And that was just a little that was a
Speaker 1: little over the line for me, just a little a
Speaker 1: little over the line.
Speaker 2: So you think that his use of word, the term
Speaker 2: garbage made it personal to you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that that's personal, and that's not the way to
Speaker 4: conduct an interview in general, talking about another player, especially
Speaker 4: trying to debate another player to agree with you on
Speaker 4: what you're saying, just to say something bad like you
Speaker 4: don't do that. It might have been the right message,
Speaker 4: the wrong messenger, right message, wrong messenger.
Speaker 2: I think the thing what happened is that he was
Speaker 2: fine when he said, Chris, are you surprised how well
Speaker 2: Zach played considering what you had seen on tape? And
Speaker 2: be honest, I believe if he had left honest out
Speaker 2: because when I ask you a question, if I'm asking
Speaker 2: the player a question, I'm expecting him to be honest.
Speaker 2: And even though deep down in the back of my mind,
Speaker 2: I don't believe he's honest considering that I played the game,
Speaker 2: I was in the locker room, and so I'm assessing
Speaker 2: that's not for me to decide, that's not for me
Speaker 2: to try to come back and says, Okay. Now here's
Speaker 2: another thing Rodney has to understand. NBC has the game right,
Speaker 2: and they have what we call production meeting. You've been
Speaker 2: in production meetings. I've been in production meeting a lot
Speaker 2: of the key offensive players, defensive players, and coaches before
Speaker 2: the game. They go into they sit down and like, well,
Speaker 2: how you're feeling? You know, you know, all we feel
Speaker 2: good last week? Well, you know we came you know,
Speaker 2: with a tough with a much needed win or a
Speaker 2: very tough loss. We're looking to get back on the
Speaker 2: right track. YadA, YadA, YadA. Right, you can't be as
Speaker 2: critical as say me, because we're away from it. We
Speaker 2: don't have the game. Even though if I'm on a network,
Speaker 2: I'm not work for ESPN. I'm not like him going
Speaker 2: into production meeting. So I'm father enough. Oh so NBC
Speaker 2: is not going to get that kind of blowback, And
Speaker 2: I mean NFP is not gonna get that blowback like
Speaker 2: NBC is because of Rodney said that. And so for
Speaker 2: me and I get it. I mean, we don't like
Speaker 2: the considering that he used the term garbage and I
Speaker 2: think that's kind of But like Rodney, Rodney said what
Speaker 2: a lot of other analysts are thinking. They he just
Speaker 2: have to be mindful of what he can and can't
Speaker 2: say and say.
Speaker 4: I mean, there's a way, there's a way to get
Speaker 4: your messages across and deliver it in a certain way. Again,
Speaker 4: He's been in the business for a long time. There's
Speaker 4: a way to do things, there's a way to say things,
Speaker 4: you know, and just just it was distasteful, very distasteful.
Speaker 2: Hey, I don't know how many you guys, because a
Speaker 2: lot of you guys don't know. But Rodney was not
Speaker 2: a slouch. Rodney was not some bumb I know a
Speaker 2: lot of deal. Now, a lot of guys talking all
Speaker 2: this gibberish. Y'll better go back, y'all. Hey, y'all better
Speaker 2: go back to check this man.
Speaker 1: Take a real deal. He was a real deal. I
Speaker 1: played it, I played against.
Speaker 2: The charge I played. I played against him also, I
Speaker 2: played he was in my division for about about seven years.
Speaker 2: So I know I know Rodney very well.
Speaker 1: But I think I know about that farm too, oh
Speaker 1: a lot.
Speaker 2: Hey, Yeah, it had been tough for him to play
Speaker 2: in today's game, Oh yeah, big time. Time they find
Speaker 2: they find that that physicality that he brought to the table,
Speaker 2: they to find that out of him. But I just
Speaker 2: think the thing is, like I said, I know Rodney,
Speaker 2: and I'll probably reach out to him tomorrow and talk
Speaker 2: to him and get his thoughts in that conversation between
Speaker 2: he and I remain private, but I just think sometimes
Speaker 2: we just have to be mindful, especially him in his situation,
Speaker 2: because he's actually talking to a player after the game,
Speaker 2: and I believe he'd have been fine if he'd just said, Chris,
Speaker 2: are you surprised how well Zach played tonight considering what
Speaker 2: you had seen on tape? At this point, you don't
Speaker 2: have to say, You don't have to say, and be honest,
Speaker 2: right right, Just assume that he's gonna be honest, knowing
Speaker 2: more time than not a lot of times, these guys
Speaker 2: are really good. They've been coached up. They're gonna give
Speaker 2: you coach speak. That's okay, But you ask the question. Now.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna leave it till my viewing audience at home,
Speaker 2: my listening audience to decide whether CJ is telling the
Speaker 2: truth or not. That's not for me. That's not for
Speaker 2: me to try to extract that information up out of it.
Speaker 2: Ask the question, and if he answers it, hey, yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, but I thought he did. He's like, look,
Speaker 2: he did play well tonight, he played he played, he
Speaker 2: played well. We saw some big time throws that he
Speaker 2: had made on tape. He made some of those throws tonight.
Speaker 2: So I'm really not that surprised that he played as well.
Speaker 2: But I was glad that we came out here with
Speaker 2: the win. So CJ handled it perfectly. I just think
Speaker 2: there are a few statements that Rodney could have made
Speaker 2: differently that probably would have changed the complexion of the
Speaker 2: of the interview.
Speaker 1: So are you ready to also agree that he played well?
Speaker 4: Are you still sticking with your sentiments that you said
Speaker 4: yesterday that Zach Wilson didn't play well because you heard
Speaker 4: Christ Jones said, you heard everybody else said, you heard
Speaker 4: Patrick Mahomes said, you played one hell of a game.
Speaker 4: Keep going. So can we get that from you as well?
Speaker 4: Can you right now say.
Speaker 2: Now you know the game? If CJ wants to say that,
Speaker 2: that's fine, But I already know. Coach quarterbacks, go stick
Speaker 2: up for all the quarterbacks they're gonna give you, coach
Speaker 2: they gonna get. I guarantee you Geno Smith to go
Speaker 2: say Daniel Jones played well tonight. If you ask him,
Speaker 2: I guarantee you he said, man, that was a tough game.
Speaker 2: But I thought under the circumstances he played well. You
Speaker 2: already know, so.
Speaker 4: You're just not gonna get Jack Wilson's credit by the
Speaker 4: last next game, get him.
Speaker 2: Credit for losing. I thought I thought the objective was
Speaker 2: the winging.
Speaker 1: So now you want me, I said, I see where
Speaker 1: you're going?
Speaker 2: Okay, I said, no, I ain't going nowhere. I'm right here.
Speaker 2: I'm right here. I ain't going nowhere. We got I
Speaker 2: got time tonight. I got time tonight.
Speaker 1: So you ain't gonna give me credit?
Speaker 2: Okay, tell me what I'm getting me?
Speaker 4: Credit for playing a great game. They weren't able to
Speaker 4: come out on the winning in. But what he did
Speaker 4: in the game, some of the throws he made, is
Speaker 4: a great foundation to build off of for the follow
Speaker 4: But if.
Speaker 2: You don't mind ask putting those last three possessions the
Speaker 2: Giants had up on my screen, right quick? Come on,
Speaker 2: that's a game. No no, no, no, no no, don't don't don't
Speaker 2: don't don't don't now now all of a sudden, you
Speaker 2: Stevie wonder now you waving side to side. Don't Stevene
Speaker 2: want know me? Now? No, let's let's put this up
Speaker 2: on the board. His last three possession, give me those
Speaker 2: right quick, okay. Wilson's last three possession a punt three
Speaker 2: and oh, three and out, punt, fumble, Wilson. Zach Wilson's
Speaker 2: last three gives ended a punt which was three and out,
Speaker 2: another punt and a fumble. Now tell me this greatness,
Speaker 2: where was the greatness in that? Okay?
Speaker 4: So, so the game, the game came down to those,
Speaker 4: those those last three possessions.
Speaker 2: Yes, in a game of that magnitude, that's tied. You
Speaker 2: absolutely right, it comes down to those.
Speaker 4: And again, let me remind you about some of the
Speaker 4: players before that happened.
Speaker 2: All that, all that doesn't matter, because how many times
Speaker 2: have we seen other quarterbacks played bad? Tom Brady, Peyton Manning,
Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes, Joe Burrow, Justin Herbert a tour? How many
Speaker 2: times Dak Prance got How many times have we seen
Speaker 2: quarterbacks Lamar Jackson? How many times have we seen quarterbacks
Speaker 2: play bad, but when they need to make have a
Speaker 2: drive to get a game time field goal, a win,
Speaker 2: or not let the team get the ball back, they
Speaker 2: do that? How many times?
Speaker 4: All right, you're right, you're right, I'm gonna let you
Speaker 4: have this one. We were gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna
Speaker 4: come back to this.
Speaker 1: You'll see remember this. Jayon don't jump on the jail.
Speaker 4: Don't jump on the god damn Zach Wilson bandwagon later
Speaker 4: on in the season either, Bro.
Speaker 2: He got four flat times and the engine missing. He
Speaker 2: ain't going nowhere. Why don't jump on that. He ain't
Speaker 2: going nowhere?
Speaker 1: Remember that, keep that same energy.
Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, triple A, triple A on
Speaker 2: the way right now. To try to get you, Try
Speaker 2: to get you going riding the tow truck. You know,
Speaker 2: you break down of the road and you don't want
Speaker 2: to ride the car. You know, you right up there
Speaker 2: with the tow truck drive you today? But hey, man,
Speaker 2: what happened to shaw car? But I believe you know what,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna let you have that bandwagon all to yourself.
Speaker 2: I don't even get on it because I don't wanted
Speaker 2: to get cried.
Speaker 1: Because everybody else on there with me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're the only one in on there because we
Speaker 4: can see you can't see.
Speaker 1: We can see what's coming.
Speaker 2: Hmmm. I don't know. Objects are closer than they're up here. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you about to get science wipe o joke.
Speaker 1: We ain't even looking at it.
Speaker 4: We ain't even look in the mirrors you, We ain't
Speaker 4: looking in the mirrors were looking straight ahead.
Speaker 2: Jay Z caught him flat he was talking about he
Speaker 2: was starting with Kevin Hart, and Kevin Hart had said
Speaker 2: that it was it's a difficult conversation to have with cousins,
Speaker 2: and jay Z said, yeah, we go to your aunt's house,
Speaker 2: and you go to your mom house and your cousin's
Speaker 2: over and they're pitching you. Hey, bro, I got this
Speaker 2: great idea. I need forty eight hundred and I'm gonna
Speaker 2: get your two mail back, and so people and then
Speaker 2: everybody started listing of Jeff Bezos got a loan from
Speaker 2: his father, and Bill and Bill Gates got alan from
Speaker 2: his father, and the Walton family got along from his dad.
Speaker 2: Blah blah blah. Ain't nobody mentioned nothing but no cousins.
Speaker 2: All they mentioned about was kids getting loans from there. Now,
Speaker 2: I guarantee you. Now, I know, I don't know the
Speaker 2: name of James z twins, but I know the oldest
Speaker 2: daughter is named Blue Ivy. I guarantee you. If Blue
Speaker 2: Ivy went to her dad, went to her mom and said, Mom, Dad,
Speaker 2: look what I've been trying. This is what I need
Speaker 2: to do, and I need a little extra capital to
Speaker 2: get this thing really really going. I don't think whole.
Speaker 2: I don't think bait is gonna.
Speaker 1: Have a problem.
Speaker 2: I'm saying bait Beyonce. I'm not saying bass. So I'm
Speaker 2: gonna be disrespectful to that man, Beyonce. Uh, it's gonna
Speaker 2: say no. So Sam Walton, Jeff Bezo, Phil Knight, Elon Musk,
Speaker 2: Donald Trump, Mark Zuckerberg, all got capital. Thank you. I
Speaker 2: ain't say nothing my cousins. Now, go back and look
Speaker 2: at jay Z's history. He's taking care of his mom,
Speaker 2: He's taking care of his brothers and.
Speaker 1: Sisters, immediate immediate family.
Speaker 2: He got a home, got a homeboy named Ti Ti
Speaker 2: that I've heard him speak glowingly about. Y'all need listen.
Speaker 2: It would be nice if Hole Warner had some first cousins,
Speaker 2: some second cousin or third cousin or what we that's
Speaker 2: what we call dog kin. You're close to kin to
Speaker 2: a Saint Bernard, then you have that third fourth cousin.
Speaker 2: But I'm not that we called dog kid down South.
Speaker 2: But anyway, it's so, if that would be nice, if
Speaker 2: jay Z said, you know what a I want to
Speaker 2: break y'all along. But jay Z is under no obligatiation.
Speaker 2: I don't care what if I had a billion dollars.
Speaker 2: That's probably why you couldn't get to a billion dollars
Speaker 2: because you're giving away money that you don't have. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And the funny thing that this is the funny
Speaker 4: thing about family. This is the funny thing about family.
Speaker 4: It's the funny thing about friends. Everybody always has idea.
Speaker 4: Everybody has Everybody always has this idea on how to
Speaker 4: make money, but they need your money in order to
Speaker 4: do it right. They always need your money to do it.
Speaker 4: But one half the time they don't think these plans
Speaker 4: and ways to make money out. There's no there's no
Speaker 4: business plan to it, and just an idea in your head.
Speaker 4: And as soon as they bring your idea and you
Speaker 4: ask them, will show me a business plan and show
Speaker 4: me how you're going to let me give you say something.
Speaker 1: Never have anything to show up. It's just a thought.
Speaker 1: It's just a thought. And and something about.
Speaker 4: Our people is we really have no respect or value
Speaker 4: for a dollar, no at all.
Speaker 2: And you have an expect and you automatically expect because
Speaker 2: we think, oh, if I make it, I'm supposed to
Speaker 2: bring everybody all twenty all three hundred and seventy five
Speaker 2: of my closest kid and all work in.
Speaker 4: All three all three hundred and seventy five and be broke. Yes,
Speaker 4: and then everybody, Oh Joe, it trips me out with people.
Speaker 4: You're like you, You try to help everybody. Then all
Speaker 4: of a sudden you go broke.
Speaker 2: Man, I don't know how you lost all that money,
Speaker 2: given it to you more folds, and how I lost
Speaker 2: all my money. I'm helping you with car payment, I'm
Speaker 2: helping you with your kids, I'm helping you with house. No,
Speaker 2: I'm helping you do all this other stuff. And then
Speaker 2: when I go broke. Now y'all looking at me crazy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Listen. One of the fastest ways to go broke
Speaker 4: is not learning how to stay say no. It's normally family.
Speaker 4: It's normally family that will continue to drain you. Sometimes
Speaker 4: it's a closer, your closest relatives. Sometimes it's your own
Speaker 4: mom and your own daddy. Sometimes you got to know,
Speaker 4: you got to know how to how to deal with
Speaker 4: them at arms length.
Speaker 1: When they don't have structure, discipline.
Speaker 4: That is the most dangerous thing for young athletes, or
Speaker 4: for anyone that has money in general.
Speaker 1: They will continue to drain you over and over. When
Speaker 1: you give them.
Speaker 4: Once, they gonna come back when it run out. Yeah,
Speaker 4: you get you get somebody five grand. All you're doing
Speaker 4: if you take take man.
Speaker 2: Somebody five grand? Man, Man, you making five six million dollars.
Speaker 2: What's ten grand to you?
Speaker 5: Who?
Speaker 2: That's five thousand more than you started with. That's a
Speaker 2: thousand more than you started with. You over here my
Speaker 2: pocket talking about all that money I'm making. Considering that
Speaker 2: you came to me asking for money, you should be grateful.
Speaker 2: And I'm giving you the money with no expectation of
Speaker 2: you returning it because that's normal, that's what I do.
Speaker 2: I'm never going to give somebody money that I'm expecting
Speaker 2: it back, because all it's gonna do is gonna call us.
Speaker 2: It's gonna cause me to lose. It's gonna cause our
Speaker 2: friendship or our relate or our kinship. It's gonna cause
Speaker 2: a friction. Because if I give you money and I
Speaker 2: expect it back and you don't pay me, now, I'm
Speaker 2: not gonna see everybody always want you to man. Man,
Speaker 2: that little bit of money now, it's a little bit
Speaker 2: of money, and I want you to pay it back.
Speaker 2: It's a little bit of money. You didn't say that
Speaker 2: when you came in and.
Speaker 1: Asked me for it.
Speaker 2: You ain't mentioned about the whole little piece of money,
Speaker 2: that a little bit of a man. Let me hold
Speaker 2: a little bit of money, you asked me. Let me
Speaker 2: borrow thousand, Let me hold five thousand. I ain't got
Speaker 2: no problem with that. I'm gonna get I have in
Speaker 2: the past, my uncles and aunts. I went to the
Speaker 2: suit a. Okay, man, I have an uncle. Every time
Speaker 2: my homeboy, my homeboys and friends come around. Man, you
Speaker 2: know I used to change dicas on that boy laugh
Speaker 2: O Joe, every oh Joe, every time I come around my.
Speaker 1: Home boy, the old school story.
Speaker 2: Man, you know, I changed. So I pulled them to
Speaker 2: the side. I gave thirty five hundred dollars. I said,
Speaker 2: don't tell that damn story no more now. Okay, I'm dad,
Speaker 2: said you laughing, oh Joe, But I'm dead serious. I said,
Speaker 2: don't tell that story no more now.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So that's that's the end of that story. But I
Speaker 2: go to the super Bowl and I come back. I
Speaker 2: give my mom had eight brothers and sisters, all of
Speaker 2: them was married. I come home five thousand for you.
Speaker 5: The hunt.
Speaker 2: Even though if it's not. But you know they they
Speaker 2: they my relative through through my through you know, through
Speaker 2: my mom I gave, I give my her sisters, I
Speaker 2: give their husband. Same thing. Boom boom boom. Okay, you
Speaker 2: wasn't going to the Gamecuse me when it came to
Speaker 2: the super Bowl. The first time you see me play?
Speaker 2: Was it gonna be in the Super Bowl? If you
Speaker 2: hadn't seen a preseason game or regular season game or
Speaker 2: play the game, and you think the first time that
Speaker 2: you gonna see me play Super Bowl and ain't happening.
Speaker 2: That ain't happening. But man, people need to stop this. Man,
Speaker 2: if I had a billion dollars, no, you wouldn't know.
Speaker 1: You wouldn't know, you would you wouldn't.
Speaker 2: People always say what they would do because they've never
Speaker 2: been in that situation.
Speaker 4: Frustration And the funny thing about it, another thing we
Speaker 4: need to learn. We have no no, no structure, no
Speaker 4: discipline when it comes to spending money. We have the
Speaker 4: mindset is I'm gonna blow a bag and go make
Speaker 4: it right back.
Speaker 1: And always listen and always think that every.
Speaker 4: Play, that play that you always doing, or whether a
Speaker 4: hustle that may be, it ain't gonna always hit.
Speaker 1: It ain't gonna always be hitting whatever it is that.
Speaker 4: You may be doing, whether it's whether it's something good
Speaker 4: or whether it's something bad. It ain't gonna always hit
Speaker 4: the way you think. It is just that our mindset
Speaker 4: and the way we think. Man, there's no type of
Speaker 4: discipline when that comes to spending money. And they always
Speaker 4: got an idea. Everybody always had this wonderful idea on
Speaker 4: a way to make money, but never have none of
Speaker 4: their own.
Speaker 2: No. Always, like I said, and when people like, well,
Speaker 2: what you're gonna do for your kids, my kids will
Speaker 2: tell you go ask an in my kids, they're gonna
Speaker 2: tell you I'm daddy. Is I'm dad? Is the last option,
Speaker 2: not the first choice? Because I get I sent you
Speaker 2: to private school, I sent you to college. Okay, Now,
Speaker 2: if you can't figure it out, let's talk about it now.
Speaker 2: Don't go make a mistake and then come ask daddy
Speaker 2: to bail you out, because you should have asked daddy first, right,
Speaker 2: because you know, a lot of times I'm grown. You
Speaker 2: know what I noticed. My kids are always grown when
Speaker 2: it comes except with money. They ain't grown when it
Speaker 2: come to money. When it come to money, you know,
Speaker 2: I'm dead a little girl, I'm dead, little boy. Whoa
Speaker 2: you think you could drink and you could curse me.
Speaker 2: You can do all this stuff, but now you need
Speaker 2: some money. You ain't grown no more. Yeah, but my
Speaker 2: kids have been very, very good, but they know I'm
Speaker 2: last option, not first choice. Now we're gonna sit down
Speaker 2: and talk about it, and I'm gonna I'm gonna help
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna I'm not gonna leave. I'm gonna help
Speaker 2: them out once because my kids are knock on wood,
Speaker 2: they've never been a because I say, if you ever
Speaker 2: get in trouble, you get a d U. I h
Speaker 2: I already know my kids will tell you if you
Speaker 2: were to get a DU. I want you who the first.
Speaker 2: I'm not calling my dad. I'm gonna tell my mom
Speaker 2: not to tell my dad because I gonna be in
Speaker 2: the pen right I'm gonna be in the pen right
Speaker 2: next to you. But for a whole different reason. So
Speaker 2: they already know. Day Listen, I work my tail off
Speaker 2: because a lot of what I do is for for
Speaker 2: the kids and the grandkids. My son has I have
Speaker 2: a grandson, but you know, hopefully, knock on wood, my
Speaker 2: daughter's gonna get married and have kids, and so what
Speaker 2: I'm working hard for now is to start it because
Speaker 2: you know, my mom and dad and my grandparents didn't
Speaker 2: have anything to leave me. But I'm gonna leave my
Speaker 2: kids and kids, kids, kids, well well off. They're gonna
Speaker 2: be straight now. I'm not gonna say they're gonna be
Speaker 2: as as business minded as I am. And every shiny
Speaker 2: toy that comes along, like I want this new card,
Speaker 2: I want that because eventually, if y'all don't do the
Speaker 2: right things, the business is gonna go away. The money's
Speaker 2: gonna disciplate.
Speaker 1: Grade, it's gonna run away. Yeah, yeah, disappear.
Speaker 2: But I understand what Jay, And it's only people that's
Speaker 2: in that situation that have money, And I don't have
Speaker 2: nearly the money that Jay Z has or or or
Speaker 2: Kevin Hard or any of these people that were mentioned.
Speaker 2: But you have to say no, O Joe, You're absolutely right.
Speaker 2: You have to be willing to say no and be
Speaker 2: okay with that.
Speaker 1: I don't think people understand.
Speaker 4: I don't I don't think people understand how difficult it
Speaker 4: is to navigate having large sums of money, especially when
Speaker 4: you've had it for a while, or just being a
Speaker 4: rookie for that matter, or just coming into your own
Speaker 4: or coming into money and having all these new friends,
Speaker 4: you having all these new friends, all this pressure and
Speaker 4: won the fit in and you think you're given and and.
Speaker 1: All of it. I call it transit, transactional access. H
Speaker 1: you don't need, you don't need, you don't need nobody.
Speaker 1: You don't need, you don't need the entourage, because every
Speaker 1: time you see entourage, it's only one person really got money. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you and you got and then you got to feed,
Speaker 1: you got you got to feed all them different mouths.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 4: I just it's it's crazy. It's crazy. I mean, we
Speaker 4: could talk about that topic. I can go on and
Speaker 4: on and on. You know, when it comes to financial
Speaker 4: literacy that that's that's my thing.
Speaker 1: I'm on that.
Speaker 2: I'm on that. I remember a couple of years ago
Speaker 2: there was an article that came out that I think
Speaker 2: doctor dre daughter, he was taking care of her, he
Speaker 2: was financially supporting her. And I think she had lost
Speaker 2: a range Rover after her for she had four kids.
Speaker 2: And I'm not I don't want to. I just know
Speaker 2: I think it was a couple of different dads. I
Speaker 2: don't want to say four different baby dads, but I
Speaker 2: think maybe one or two different dads and people like
Speaker 2: man jay Z excuse me, doctor Dre has all that money.
Speaker 2: Doctor Dre is not under an obligation. All. You know
Speaker 2: what I told my kids, Oh Joe, I say, all
Speaker 2: I owe you is in education. I don't know you
Speaker 2: anything else. I could die and leave everything that I've
Speaker 2: worked my butt off to you. But I don't owe
Speaker 2: you that. I owe you an education to give you
Speaker 2: the best education I possibly can to get you started.
Speaker 2: After that, this notion that you owe your kids, you
Speaker 2: see the problem. You know why. You know we've made
Speaker 2: lazy kids. You know why we made lazy kids because
Speaker 2: in our mind we want them to have it easier
Speaker 2: than what we had it. Right, you couldn't have gotten
Speaker 2: where you got. You wouldn't have gotten to where you
Speaker 2: if your mom would have babied you like you do
Speaker 2: some of your kids. You're not o your SINKO. I'm
Speaker 2: damn sure not.
Speaker 4: Shanning Sharp right, that's a good one, And that's that's
Speaker 4: a very touchy subject too. That's a very touchy subject
Speaker 4: because some of the times I've seen it on Twitter
Speaker 4: before Jackie Chan when he's talking about as well and
Speaker 4: he said, yeah, I wasn't leaving he was leaving any
Speaker 4: of his fortune to his kids and just watching Twitter
Speaker 4: go going to uproar. All parents always want their kids
Speaker 4: to suffer so they ain't have to like and so
Speaker 4: that that's that's a touchy subject, is as far as
Speaker 4: when it when it comes to my kids, they know
Speaker 4: if they need anything, I'm the first and the last option.
Speaker 4: You know, if you have somewhere to go, it's okay.
Speaker 4: But if you need it, you know you can call now.
Speaker 4: If it's something extreme and out the blue, you already
Speaker 4: know it's not happening.
Speaker 1: We talk about it. We talk about important stuff. We
Speaker 1: talk about necessities, not wants.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 4: The wants we'll do those things around the holidays, you know, Christmas, birthdays,
Speaker 4: we'll take care of you wants then.
Speaker 1: But anything that's a necessity that you need, they know
Speaker 1: they can call it any time.
Speaker 4: But that that's that's a very touch that's a very
Speaker 4: touchy subject, which you just said, very very touch.
Speaker 2: But you notice everybody always have ideals how you should
Speaker 2: spend your money. Yeah, yeah, everybody. Everybody got great ideas
Speaker 2: with your money. Man, I would do this, I would
Speaker 2: do that. You wouldn't know, you wouldn't. It's easy. It's
Speaker 2: easy to say because I remember my brother had money
Speaker 2: before I had it, and I couldn't understand. Man, you
Speaker 2: got money? Man? What that I used to leave the
Speaker 2: door wide open? He's like, Bro, are you trying to
Speaker 2: cool or you trying to heat the outside? Also, man,
Speaker 2: all that money you got, he said, you were Man, Man,
Speaker 2: my kid, don't do see that? Dude letting this air,
Speaker 2: let this heat up out this house? What the hell
Speaker 2: wrong with y'all?
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Georgia power and you have a greater appreciation for it
Speaker 2: when it's yours, when it's coming out of your pockets,
Speaker 2: and now you want people to understand it and respect
Speaker 2: it and value it like you do. That's the hardest
Speaker 2: thing to get somebody to value things. But it's hard
Speaker 2: to value something that you didn't you didn't buy, you
Speaker 2: didn't create, or work you don't own or you didn't
Speaker 2: work for. It's hard, Yeah, but once you get to
Speaker 2: that point. I treat people stuff because how I would
Speaker 2: won't my stuff treated? I don't you know? You know what?
Speaker 5: Hey?
Speaker 2: I asked if I go to somebody's house, which is
Speaker 2: a rarity. I think I can count. I think I
Speaker 2: can count. Oh yourright, no, line, I think I can
Speaker 2: count on one hand how many piece people houses I've
Speaker 2: been in the last ten years.
Speaker 1: Trying to think I got back three.
Speaker 2: I don't. I can't remember. Let me tell you something.
Speaker 2: And people go like, man, what I haven't spent the
Speaker 2: night at the girl's house, at her house probably thirty
Speaker 2: and probably thirty years. What. I had a bad situation.
Speaker 1: Oh, he pulled up on you. He pulled up on you.
Speaker 1: Oh you put can you pull that scrap out of
Speaker 1: I had? Oh?
Speaker 2: No, I had two situations. Check this out. I had
Speaker 2: just I had just got drafted. This was in This
Speaker 2: was in May of nineteen ninety. Yeah, And I called
Speaker 2: a young lady that I used to mess I used
Speaker 2: to talk to, but I didn't mess with anymore. So
Speaker 2: I was coming back from Denver because I was still
Speaker 2: in school. But I didn't want to drive home in
Speaker 2: the middle of the night and wake my grandma up
Speaker 2: because she was gonna like fake something wrong. So I
Speaker 2: was like, I called, I said, hey, you see anybody.
Speaker 2: She's like, no, I ain't see nobody. I said, I
Speaker 2: don't want to wake my grandmother up. I could have
Speaker 2: just went. I could have went and got a hotel
Speaker 2: room for fifty dollars. That's what I need to do.
Speaker 1: Being fast and you're being hot.
Speaker 2: No, check this out, Oh Joe, check this out. She said, No,
Speaker 2: you can come on over. So I go over. Something
Speaker 2: tells me, oh Joe, I got on shorts and a
Speaker 2: T shirt. I got a T shirt and shorts on.
Speaker 2: Something tells me keep this stuff on. I ain't that night,
Speaker 2: ain't nothing pop off? Oh Joe, you ever been sleep?
Speaker 2: You feel like you can't move, but you could hear everything? Right,
Speaker 2: I felt I felt like I was dreaming, but I
Speaker 2: could hear people arguing. Oh, and I'm like it, but
Speaker 2: I can't move.
Speaker 1: Oh Joe, you know you been like you're trying to
Speaker 1: move talking about right.
Speaker 2: After a while the door flowed the hinges. So you
Speaker 2: got to understand, O Joe, your boy, Your boy about
Speaker 2: to be twenty two. So I'm paid. Hey, you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Oh Joe, So you're going. I got
Speaker 2: to do the A So I'm ready, I'm prime. Okay,
Speaker 2: I may God contact uh huh, oh bro, it wouldn't
Speaker 2: have been good, O Joe.
Speaker 1: What happened?
Speaker 2: He had a couple of bodies on the resume, so
Speaker 2: he recognized who I was. I recognized who he was. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so he's like sharp. I said, yeah, man, he said, man,
Speaker 2: I love man. Hey, congratulations going to.
Speaker 1: The Broncos and Roy.
Speaker 2: He said, man, you's Savannah State boy. I used to
Speaker 2: tell my home I used to tell the homies. I said,
Speaker 2: that was sharp. He going to the NFL. My shoes
Speaker 2: all have my socks on everything. Check this out, o Joe.
Speaker 2: I said, God, if you get me out of this situation,
Speaker 2: I wouldn't get back in another one. Yeah. Three years later,
Speaker 2: I go back to Savannah State home coming. I called
Speaker 2: it and I said, what's going on? I said, you know,
Speaker 2: no a different one. Different one. No, no, different one.
Speaker 2: She said, check this out with Joe. I said, you
Speaker 2: know your boy and she said, come on over, come on.
Speaker 2: I said, okay, I ride with my homeboy. Bucket. I said, bucket,
Speaker 2: turn around, because we had just left campus. I said,
Speaker 2: turn this thing around, Bucket. He turned around. We pull up,
Speaker 2: so I said, homeboy, you know watch Hoban said, hey,
Speaker 2: go home, go back to homeboy.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I was all right. So he get Jet magazine. So
Speaker 2: you know, I got to rollie on. I got my
Speaker 2: change eighty four, so you know, you know, she's like,
Speaker 2: I feel the good. I feed the good. O yoe,
Speaker 2: I feed a good. So by two, Okay, I got
Speaker 2: my I got my shirt. I took my shirt off.
Speaker 2: I see the door handle turning. I'm like, hey, what
Speaker 2: the what the hell? My homeboy thinking dude came in
Speaker 2: that thing with the ak and with the a K. Now,
Speaker 2: mind you, she done undressed. I just got my shorts on,
Speaker 2: so I done, just came up out my T shirt
Speaker 2: and took with jewel rob my ROLEI my chain. So
Speaker 2: he looked at me. I look at him. I say,
Speaker 2: this is your people, my man. He's like, yeah, so okay,
Speaker 2: my bad. Guess what he asked me. He said, my man,
Speaker 2: you shocked. I said, yeah, I thought so. So I
Speaker 2: look out in the hallway. His homeboy got the shop
Speaker 2: sawed off. My homeboy sitting on the couch because I
Speaker 2: know my homeboy would alerted me, but he got the sawed.
Speaker 1: Off on him and okay, okay, So I.
Speaker 2: Get my stuff and say, my bad, bro, I said,
Speaker 2: I ain't no, I say, you know me, I don't
Speaker 2: know who you are, my bad. I'm at fault. I'm wrong.
Speaker 2: So I get my necklace. I'm sure. I'm sure. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I leave and I'm thinking, like, oh ship, I said, homeboy,
Speaker 2: I left my roller in there, he said, man. I said, man,
Speaker 2: you better turn this more for a rod. I'm going
Speaker 2: to get my joint. You got it? Did I? Boy?
Speaker 2: That was fifty bands? Why did I? Hey? I said,
Speaker 2: my man, my roller on the dresser. He said, hey,
Speaker 2: you go to man. I got it.
Speaker 1: I said again, So that's why it's been thirty years.
Speaker 5: Huh.
Speaker 2: I can't. I can't.
Speaker 1: I can't see nothing.
Speaker 2: For the longest time. Yeah. I would not go to
Speaker 2: a female's house with that thing.
Speaker 5: On the table right right, right, right right.
Speaker 2: I said, you know what, just let me just look.
Speaker 2: I feel comfortable in my own home when we're gonna
Speaker 2: meet in a neutral place. I said, but I can't.
Speaker 2: I said, I can't risk it anymore. I say, because
Speaker 2: somebody's gonna because they're gonna recognize who I am, and
Speaker 2: they gonna think, because who I am, I think I
Speaker 2: can run rough shot over them. I say, it ain't
Speaker 2: worth it. Oh shoe, I say, but you got me
Speaker 2: out of that one. Yeah, and my eyes at another
Speaker 2: ain't closed my eyes at another female's house that was
Speaker 2: there the dude walked in on us in ninety three.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 4: So thirty years and listen, I'm never I don't. I
Speaker 4: don't have a story of that magnitude of story that great.
Speaker 4: I never had that problem. I rarely really ever go
Speaker 4: to people's house, especially spending the night, because I got
Speaker 4: to be it, but I got to be able to
Speaker 4: play with my video game.
Speaker 1: So I'm not staying at your house. But God, but
Speaker 1: that was a good story, boy, And the funny the funny.
Speaker 4: The funny thing about that story is that happened to
Speaker 4: a lot of dudes, but the outcome isn't as gracious
Speaker 4: as yours was.
Speaker 2: George was, I believe had he not known who I was.
Speaker 2: Now I do I ate another story I was at
Speaker 2: I had an sl in ninety two and I was
Speaker 2: in Sabamah. So you know you have an old pay phone, right,
Speaker 2: and you know back then they ain't have no no GPS.
Speaker 2: You could punch it in and full it up. So
Speaker 2: so she told me an address and I drove. I said, damn,
Speaker 2: So I'm not even thinking. I mean, I'm on thirty
Speaker 2: seventh in bull If you're from Savannah. You know exactly
Speaker 2: what I'm talking about. And I'm pulling the park lot
Speaker 2: Pashaw had a car wash. So I pull up there
Speaker 2: and the dude run up on me. He said, you
Speaker 2: know what it is? I said, my man, everything I
Speaker 2: got in Hey, my wallets in the car. Everything I
Speaker 2: got is in the car, he said, sharp. I said, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm a man. Hey, he said, He said, Bro, you
Speaker 2: in the league. You better get a cell phone. Get
Speaker 2: out of here, right. You ain't got to tell me
Speaker 2: no more. Hey, but I still made that calling with
Speaker 2: the short I did do that. Hey, Hey, bro, I
Speaker 2: got to friend of your call.
Speaker 1: Bro, you you ain't pass that up.
Speaker 2: Don't don't do man.
Speaker 4: Listen what I got have some good stories, man, but
Speaker 4: nothing nothing, nothing like that.
Speaker 1: I told you, well you were you tripping? Oh Joe?
Speaker 2: You just all they do is just tell me they
Speaker 2: have somebody. And I'll have never stepped for man. You know,
Speaker 2: would women? I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't think women never tell the truth.
Speaker 4: And listen. And you just got to the league too.
Speaker 4: You think they Fina ruined that opportunity in that chat.
Speaker 2: She ruined, please ruin it? I think I think you
Speaker 2: later ruin my chances. I thank you later, but but
Speaker 2: my story from time, I'm gonna share a few stories
Speaker 2: with you because I got a bunch of them over
Speaker 2: my fifty five years.
Speaker 4: I got I got some good ones. I just just
Speaker 4: not not like that though.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Lebron and a D. Lebron says, he's the face
Speaker 2: of the franchise. You look at all these retired numbers
Speaker 2: that's around this facility. All the grades have come here,
Speaker 2: and a D is one of them. Is a D
Speaker 2: the face of the Lakers. Listen.
Speaker 1: I love I love Anthony Davis.
Speaker 4: I love being able to do what he's done in
Speaker 4: this entirety since he's been in the league. But to
Speaker 4: say he's one of the all time grades, he is
Speaker 4: one of the all time grapes. But say he's one
Speaker 4: of the all time grades in the Lakers organization, he.
Speaker 1: Hasn't been enough. Yeah, he hasn't been healthy enough for
Speaker 1: me consistently to be considered one of the all time
Speaker 1: grades at that organization, one of the best big men
Speaker 1: to ever play the game, one of the most skilled
Speaker 1: big men to ever to play the game.
Speaker 2: Big men, yeah, they known for that.
Speaker 4: But all I need is for AD to be able
Speaker 4: to play a full season. Not maybe not every game,
Speaker 4: but not missed.
Speaker 2: So fifty five, give me sixty five games.
Speaker 1: That's it. Just give me sixty's I'm gonna say sixty.
Speaker 1: Give me, give me sixty games. Because when he's on
Speaker 1: the court, man, a motherfucker's hell. He is hell.
Speaker 4: He is hell to deal with on the defensive side,
Speaker 4: on the defense end, and the office end. But again,
Speaker 4: I respect what Lebron is doing. He's the goat for reason.
Speaker 4: Then he will always be. He will always be the
Speaker 4: face of that team, regardless of him, big up in
Speaker 4: AD always.
Speaker 2: Hey, the difference is AD talking about the face of
Speaker 2: the team. Lebron's the face of the NBA. Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: like Jared Jones is the face of the Cowboys. Patrick
Speaker 2: Mahoons is the face of the NFL. That's two different
Speaker 2: that's a whole different thing here. Yeah, I get what
Speaker 2: Lebron's trying to do. Lebron is for the longest saying
Speaker 2: a d I need you to pick up the man,
Speaker 2: I need you to carry this thing. Now, Bro, I
Speaker 2: mean your nineteen, I mean your twenty. Now I'm headed
Speaker 2: into year twenty one. You are you're supposed to be
Speaker 2: in your prime. You're supposed to take this thing now
Speaker 2: and run I can get if ad were to take
Speaker 2: this thing and run with it like I think what
Speaker 2: I think he can. Lebron can easily get another two years.
Speaker 2: He can play. He'll be thirty nine in December. He
Speaker 2: can play till he's probably forty one. He can get
Speaker 2: another two years in easy, go ahead mine. He still
Speaker 2: loves it. He's still shocked. Mentally. What broke me, O
Speaker 2: Joe was meetings. I hate meetings. I had heard to
Speaker 2: Jeff Flanker drive. I had heard fifty bing go pick,
Speaker 2: I heard staff protection. When you hear that, there was
Speaker 2: nothing new to me. And so now my fun was
Speaker 2: being on the bus or being you know, been a
Speaker 2: locker room laughing and joking and the practice feel stretching man,
Speaker 2: the meeting man. If Mike would have told me a
Speaker 2: eighty four, don't even worry about meetings, I don't know.
Speaker 2: It had been hard for me to tell to take
Speaker 2: that job at CBS. But when CBS told me and
Speaker 2: they gonna get they were gonna give me more money
Speaker 2: than what I was making, and I wouldn't have to
Speaker 2: take no hits. See you might see, I'm just being outed.
Speaker 2: Russell Westbrook organized a team INNI camp and lost make
Speaker 2: us a couple of weeks ago. At dinner, you had
Speaker 2: to practice and then you had to go to the
Speaker 2: team dinner. At the team dinner, Russ handed each player
Speaker 2: a new new iPhone fifteen Pro Max. What's the best
Speaker 2: gift you've ever given your teammates?
Speaker 4: Oh, man, the best gift I ever given my teammates. Man,
Speaker 4: I don't rethink. It's too many people. There's too many
Speaker 4: people on the owner, on the football team.
Speaker 1: Man. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's too many. And the boy
Speaker 1: I think you don't.
Speaker 2: Know what the quarterbacks, they'll get them like try line. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I did that. Ninety three my first All Pro team,
Speaker 2: I got a ten thousand dollars bonus if if I made,
Speaker 2: if I made if I made All Pro, and if
Speaker 2: I made the Pro Bowl. So I took my money.
Speaker 2: I took my money, went to the rolex, and another
Speaker 2: three thousand out of.
Speaker 5: My procket, and I brought into the rolex.
Speaker 2: I went. I brought all the offensive lineman Roll Lexus
Speaker 2: had him in grave.
Speaker 5: Thanks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, listen, man, sugar ain't sugar ain't brought nobody.
Speaker 5: I ain't buy nobody.
Speaker 4: No watches that man just obviously you you you, you
Speaker 4: know me somewhat somewhat a little bit on how carry
Speaker 4: myself when it comes to my finances. The most of
Speaker 4: the thing, the most I've done is actually with the receivers,
Speaker 4: is maybe taking everybody out to dinner.
Speaker 5: That's what mass your question.
Speaker 2: Did you take it? Did you take your offensive coordinator
Speaker 2: or your position coach to the Pro Bowl when you went.
Speaker 1: No, No, coach Brad coach Brad No, coach Brad No.
Speaker 2: I took all my every year, every year I made
Speaker 2: the Pro Bowl. So even though they were no longer
Speaker 2: coach me Less decoed with the first coach that I
Speaker 2: took that I that when I made it, I took
Speaker 2: him and his wife. Then Brian Perranni came after Less,
Speaker 2: after away Philip Staff left. So I go to the
Speaker 2: Pro Bowl, I bring VP his right less and his
Speaker 2: wife Chris, and then I go to Baltimore. I make
Speaker 2: the Pro Bowl. I take Wade Harmon, my position, coach,
Speaker 2: his wife, BP, his wife who's still at the Broncos.
Speaker 2: Let's steckel. Okay, I bring them out there, fly him out,
Speaker 2: put them up at the hotel and we go do
Speaker 2: a dinner. I'm just you know what, I just want
Speaker 2: people to know. I'm never I've never been naive enough
Speaker 2: to think that I got to where I am by myself, right,
Speaker 2: So I wanted them to know that I appreciate what
Speaker 2: you had done for me. Less Steckel was He's probably
Speaker 2: probably first to second Coach Hall, who was my high
Speaker 2: school coach. He drove the bus from my mom. He
Speaker 2: coached all my uncles, coach my aunts, and he coached
Speaker 2: me and my brother. So he's probably he's my favorite coach,
Speaker 2: but less Steckel's probably a close second because the relationship
Speaker 2: that he and I have to this day. He calls me.
Speaker 2: He calls me every one of my kids birthday. Less
Speaker 2: hadn't coached me in thirty years. He calls me every
Speaker 2: birthday for each of my kids. Now he calls me sweetheart.
Speaker 2: That was him, sweetheart, he always every time, sweetheart, Sweetheart.
Speaker 2: I just want him to know. I wanted BP to know.
Speaker 2: I wanted Wado to know. Bro. These pro bos, these
Speaker 2: all pro y'all helped this. Yeah, invited them all. Now
Speaker 2: some of them came Less came Less stuck. Okay, I
Speaker 2: mentioned less in my speech. BP came, Wado didn't get
Speaker 2: to come because he was coaching at the time. Invited
Speaker 2: them all to the hall, all my because I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: I appreciate everything that I was, everything that I had
Speaker 2: accomplished up until that point, as far as as far
Speaker 2: as you know, sports wise, especially football, those guys had
Speaker 2: a large part to do with it, and I wanted
Speaker 2: that was my way of saying thank you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think what I did obviously when I made
Speaker 4: the Pro Bowls and the fact that it was in Hawaii.
Speaker 4: I think the players to day they will never understand
Speaker 4: what it's like to make the Pro Bowl and what
Speaker 4: a treat it was to make the Pro Bowl back then,
Speaker 4: because it was an actual treat. It was an actual treat.
Speaker 4: In the trip, Yeah, family, obviously I took. I took
Speaker 4: my kids, my family. I took my coach, my coach
Speaker 4: who was my trainer doing throughout the off season, because
Speaker 4: he's responsible for who I was, He's responsible for the
Speaker 4: confidence was, he's responsible for the bravado and really making
Speaker 4: me into the player I was.
Speaker 5: I took him all the time.
Speaker 4: Obviously, my grandma and my mom and my homeboys out
Speaker 4: the hood my homeboys out the hood who I grew
Speaker 4: up with. I wanted them to have that experience and
Speaker 4: go go on that journey with me. So I took them,
Speaker 4: you know, maybe one or two times. Other than that,
Speaker 4: it was always, you know, my kids and my grandma,
Speaker 4: my mama.
Speaker 2: My sister. She went the first two times. My brother
Speaker 2: made it in eighty nine and ninety and she was done.
Speaker 2: She didn't want to go anymore. Yeah, she's like, it's
Speaker 2: too far to fly. She was excited, she'd be excited
Speaker 2: for two days and then she's just basically ready to
Speaker 2: go home, ready to go home. So she's worried about
Speaker 2: she's worried about my grandmother because we got to have
Speaker 2: one of my aunts to come in and see with
Speaker 2: my grandmother. And you got to realize, Okay, California to
Speaker 2: Georgia is a three hour time difference, and there's another
Speaker 2: two hours, so it's five hours. So you're thinking one thing,
Speaker 2: and Grant is already in the bed and so about that.
Speaker 2: And by the time you want to call this in
Speaker 2: the morning, you going to bed and Granted just getting up.
Speaker 2: So now after that point, so I never got a
Speaker 2: chance to bring up my mom didn't really didn't really
Speaker 2: care to go. So that was that it was just
Speaker 2: basically me and my me and my coaches. I'll take
Speaker 2: the coaches and you know, a couple of times and
Speaker 2: had a couple of teammates, which was which was cool.
Speaker 2: And then uh, in two thousand and one, one of
Speaker 2: my last year in Baltimore, to have Ray and Woody
Speaker 2: to go, Uh, that was funny. But it was always
Speaker 2: fun to get an opportunity to see the guys that
Speaker 2: you compete against and right around and eat burgers and
Speaker 2: and and you know, all of the my ties and
Speaker 2: the Blue Hawaiians and the drinks and and tell the stories.
Speaker 2: And you get an opportunity to see coach Belichick. You
Speaker 2: see a Peyton Manning let their hair down. Now all
Speaker 2: of a sudden, it's no more coach speak now, all
Speaker 2: of a sudden, it's just like they're having a great time.
Speaker 2: Hey Sharpie, you want something? But he and now we're
Speaker 2: trying to Hey man, what's your room number? Oh I'm
Speaker 2: such and such. Oh now you got everything.
Speaker 1: You never give you your room number.
Speaker 2: Never charge on me by four thousand dollars because I'm
Speaker 2: charging every charging the room six on nine. What you
Speaker 2: want you want burger fries, You want to drink? Yeah,
Speaker 2: your wife and kids need anything? Oh, yeah, we get you.
Speaker 2: I remember that. I remember them days. Oh they got
Speaker 2: your boy, they got your boy, they got you, they
Speaker 2: got me.
Speaker 5: Yeah they what do you.
Speaker 2: Call them about? You know, I went over the back there.
Speaker 2: You know it was the Buffalo with heavy Thurman Thomas,
Speaker 2: bruisy biscuits. Cornelia's been itt Jim Jim Kelly. With Jim Kelly,
Speaker 2: I'm like, Jim, you're not a rookie. Jim buying everybody.
Speaker 2: Jim Kelly if the great. He might have been the
Speaker 2: greatest Pro Bowl teammate because he's there for everything. I
Speaker 2: don't know what he was with the quarterback, but they
Speaker 2: just benevolent.
Speaker 5: They you want.
Speaker 2: To drink, brodrink. But okay, so so you know, so
Speaker 2: you don't feel like you I'm turning you down. Sure,
Speaker 2: I'll take one. But it's great And that's the best
Speaker 2: part about it. That's the thing that you know, uh,
Speaker 2: going to the Pro Bowl meeting the guys, getting an
Speaker 2: opportunity to sit around and talk and meet their family. Oh,
Speaker 2: this is my mom, this is my dad, and take
Speaker 2: the pictures with their brothers and sisters and uh that
Speaker 2: was that was a great experience.
Speaker 1: For me seeing people out of that element.
Speaker 5: Yeah element.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and actually I think the first time actually seeing
Speaker 4: Ray Lewis well, me and Ray knew each other for years.
Speaker 4: But seeing Peyton, yes, Peyton Manning being Okay, this is
Speaker 4: not the same Peyton I saw throughout the season, This
Speaker 4: isn't the same Peyton that does the interviews.
Speaker 1: Seeing Peyton Manning be Peyton Manning and not having to
Speaker 1: be politically correct.
Speaker 4: Yes, answer your questions with a mic in front of
Speaker 4: his face was one of the most enjoyable moments, Like,
Speaker 4: oh shit.
Speaker 5: These dudes are normal.
Speaker 1: They know, they just they just like they just like me,
Speaker 1: you know in a sense.
Speaker 4: And the fact that they always have to mask it
Speaker 4: once you playing football and once you're putting the helmet
Speaker 4: on like that has to be that has to be
Speaker 4: draining to actually change like a comedian and be someone
Speaker 4: we just can't be you.
Speaker 2: I'm thinking, I'm trying to think. I think my last
Speaker 2: Pro Bowl, I think Tom Brady, Peyton Manning and Steve
Speaker 2: McNair rest his soul might have been my quarterback.
Speaker 5: Wait you was there?
Speaker 2: Wait?
Speaker 1: Wait?
Speaker 5: Year was that?
Speaker 2: The one? Okay? Year? Baltimore. Okay, my last year, My
Speaker 2: last year in Baltimore. Oh, I had some great ones.
Speaker 2: I mean I played with uh Marino, l Way, Kelly,
Speaker 2: Warren Moon. Oh, Joe Montana was my quarterback one year,
Speaker 2: one year, I think it was Danny, Joe Montana and Moon.
Speaker 2: I had l Way, Kelly and Marino. Go dang, hey, hey,
Speaker 2: you boy, hey. I went on to try to get
Speaker 2: me one catch. That's all I wanted to do. Get
Speaker 2: me one catch. Let my grandma see me catch a
Speaker 2: pass and get out again out of that thing. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh oh, oh Joe. Let me tell you what happened.
Speaker 2: One year in ninety six, Jacksonville had beat us. So
Speaker 2: ninety Jacksonville had beat us in the playoffs, and so
Speaker 2: it was me and Coats or the tight ends Ben Coats. Yeah,
Speaker 2: now you know it's only two tight ends and we're
Speaker 2: running double tight can't running two tight ends? Now we got?
Speaker 2: We got? I said, bro, why was it? Come on, man,
Speaker 2: now mind you I ain't got no contract. I'm a
Speaker 2: free agent, right man. And I say, I said, looking, man,
Speaker 2: y'all need to stop running this type double type stuff.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna play the first being, gonna play the second,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna take it. The third brand braingment home right.
Speaker 2: They kept running double type. I went and got me
Speaker 2: two bags ice and put on my knees. I said, Ben,
Speaker 2: you got it the rest of the way. Come on, sharp,
Speaker 2: don't do I tell you. Mm hmm sharp done.
Speaker 5: Hey, don't play with that money. I ain't get the
Speaker 5: money yet.
Speaker 2: No, oh no, mm hmmmm hm.
Speaker 1: Oh man.
Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, Dermandy and Dawson to tell you,
Speaker 2: he pulled his hamstring at the Pro Bowl and he
Speaker 2: was never the same.
Speaker 5: Wait, he was going full speed.
Speaker 2: Trying to kise somebody on an interception. I think he
Speaker 2: tried to catch time. Yeah, look it up, Dermody, Dawson, yeap,
Speaker 2: oh Man. But you but you have to understand Ojo.
Speaker 2: Back then, guys, would I mean you know back then
Speaker 2: to win the winning prize was ten thousand. The losers
Speaker 2: got five thousand, right, So by the time you brought
Speaker 2: everybody over there, that five thousand was gone. That's ten
Speaker 2: thousand was gone.
Speaker 5: That's gone. That's gone.
Speaker 2: Now come come third come fourth quarter? Oh, BRUCEI core test.
Speaker 1: They're coming.
Speaker 2: They them been bull driving for three quarter not of
Speaker 2: money on the line.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's how that's how we were, that's how
Speaker 4: he was to We were the same way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh it was. And you know in practice, you know, guys,
Speaker 2: you know, g time, t time, rest your soul. Junior said, man,
Speaker 2: I want to play tight end. Okay, hey, he playing tighter.
Speaker 2: He playing tight end. I'm playing livebacker. So called the
Speaker 2: practice off because we had all the defensive players wanted
Speaker 2: to play the position. He's like, we're not getting anything done.
Speaker 2: He called, hey, take it in. Okay, we booked them
Speaker 2: out of there, but those were some great times.
Speaker 5: Your good day, Good days.
Speaker 2: Tomorrow. You gotta get up early tomorrow. I gotta get
Speaker 2: up even earlier and do first take with Steven A
Speaker 2: and the guys. So we'll be back Thursday for nightcap.
Speaker 2: I'm your favorite UNC Shannon Shark, He's your favorite number
Speaker 2: eighty five Chad o Yo Fenko Johnson call me if.
Speaker 5: You need me.
Speaker 2: Nightcap o Joe, we're out