WEBVTT - Family Guy: Everything You Didn't Know

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<v Speaker 1>Too Much Information is a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello everyone, and welcome to Too Much Information, the show

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<v Speaker 2>that brings you the secret histories and little known fascinating

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<v Speaker 2>facts and figures behind your favorite music, movies, TV shows

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<v Speaker 2>and more. I'm not even gonna come up with the

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<v Speaker 2>old name pun intro things, because we're making up for

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<v Speaker 2>lost time on this one, and it's my fault. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>Alex Heigel and I'm Jordan run Talk and Jordan. Today

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<v Speaker 2>we're talking about one of the weirdest success stories of

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<v Speaker 2>the turn of the millennium, of findesecla Arts, a show that,

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<v Speaker 2>on its face, had little to differentiate itself from fellow

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<v Speaker 2>industry heavies like South Park or The Simpsons, but one

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<v Speaker 2>that nevertheless garnered a rabid fan base during its short

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<v Speaker 2>initial run and has mushroomed into a shared universe of

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<v Speaker 2>properties and a widely memed Internet presence. That's right, we're

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<v Speaker 2>talking about family guy. Jordan wan On, you take you

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<v Speaker 2>give me your thoughts on fit because I pitched this.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm thrilled you did. This is a rare instance of

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<v Speaker 1>something from our youth that I actually actively engaged in

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<v Speaker 1>regular Okay, oh no, this was huge for me, if

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<v Speaker 1>you were in middle school or high school during this

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<v Speaker 1>show's run, Family Guy became like a second language with

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<v Speaker 1>your friends, like more so than Austin Powers, more so

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<v Speaker 1>than Anchorman. Is just endlessly quotable. And I'm really having

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<v Speaker 1>a hard time thinking of another TV show that had

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<v Speaker 1>that kind of impact on my social group at that age.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think a huge part of it was the

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<v Speaker 1>DVD release, which I know we'll talk about that great

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<v Speaker 1>length later. Yes, to my mind, it was the first

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<v Speaker 1>TV show that became a mega hit on home video.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, I don't think I ever really watched it live, did.

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<v Speaker 2>You no, Because well for the first like maybe the

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<v Speaker 2>first three episode.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, actually I think I watched the premiere ya.

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<v Speaker 2>And then part of like Fox's Deep Free like made

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<v Speaker 2>it impossible to watch, and then it was just suddenly gone.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I think I caught it on Cartoon Network

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<v Speaker 2>one night. But I remember being so struck by it

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<v Speaker 2>that I was like downloading Family Guy bits from like

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<v Speaker 2>Khazah and LimeWire to have the memorize Oh same.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean these DVDs, though, like they were ubiquitous in

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<v Speaker 1>a way that I feel like TV show comps never

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<v Speaker 1>had been before. I mean a lot of it. I know,

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<v Speaker 1>it was like a convenience thing because prior to this,

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<v Speaker 1>I tried to watch a lot of my beloved British

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<v Speaker 1>comedies like Faulty Towers or Monty pytheon were absolutely fabulous

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<v Speaker 1>years earlier, and they were because they weren't being broadcast

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<v Speaker 1>in the United States and I could only get them

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<v Speaker 1>on VHS, which had like at most three episodes per tape,

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<v Speaker 1>and they were big and clunky and expensive and really

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<v Speaker 1>hard to navigate because you just had to fast forward

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<v Speaker 1>until you found the episode you wanted to get to. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it was not very user friendly, and so I just

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<v Speaker 1>remember having my mind blown that you could have an

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<v Speaker 1>entire season of a show.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Like it was crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that was nuts.

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<v Speaker 2>I think pretty much right around the time that DVD

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<v Speaker 2>was really becoming a boom industry too, so like it

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<v Speaker 2>had not taken over from I mean I so my

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<v Speaker 2>benchmark is always like, I think The Matrix was the

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<v Speaker 2>last movie I owned on VHS.

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<v Speaker 1>Ah, okay, so that'll be ninety nine, So yeah that

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<v Speaker 1>sounds about right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, well ninety nine or two thousand by the

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<v Speaker 2>time it made it to home media. But yeah, like

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<v Speaker 2>so for this to come out and then go out

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<v Speaker 2>onto DVD was like the next big step. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean my mom, bless her got me these, like

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<v Speaker 2>she just knew that I liked the show and just

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<v Speaker 2>got me the box season of these for like six

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<v Speaker 2>seasons straight.

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<v Speaker 1>This was like like if our parents' generation everybody's house

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<v Speaker 1>had like Rumors or something or like Asia or like

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<v Speaker 1>like everybody's house had Family Guy box sets.

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<v Speaker 2>Well it was dorm rooms honestly for me, because it

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<v Speaker 2>was like when you look at the like so when

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<v Speaker 2>this I mean, we'll get to it later, but this

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<v Speaker 2>thing was behind the Simpsons and behind Chappelle's show, and

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<v Speaker 2>that pretty much defines fourteen to twenty four year old

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<v Speaker 2>guys humor for ten straight years of the culture, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that's why it was so quota. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>I know that was why it was so quotable because

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<v Speaker 1>it was the first TV show that you would just

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it kind of birthed comfort watching in a

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<v Speaker 1>way because I would watch these episodes over and over

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<v Speaker 1>and over again and do full scenes with my friends

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<v Speaker 1>just in the hallway at school. Yeah, for me, it

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<v Speaker 1>was more of a high school thing rather than a

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<v Speaker 1>college thing.

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<v Speaker 2>No, No, I mean it was it was. It was

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<v Speaker 2>all through that. But then I brought them with me

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<v Speaker 2>to college. Yeah, so they would just I had like

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<v Speaker 2>six yeah, I mean like had six seasons of family guys.

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<v Speaker 2>It would just like which what are we thrown in

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<v Speaker 2>the PS two to like crash out on the couch

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<v Speaker 2>for Yeah, And I was already a Simpsons fan. South

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<v Speaker 2>Park hauld hit but like, I don't know, man what,

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<v Speaker 2>we can talk about this later, but South Park has

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<v Speaker 2>never really done it for me. But I was deep

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<v Speaker 2>into Simpsons at that point, and so I was too.

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<v Speaker 2>This one just hit me as like it's like meaner

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<v Speaker 2>than the Simpsons and has kind of the same rate

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<v Speaker 2>of pop culture stuff and like cut way gags and everything.

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<v Speaker 2>But I also feel like, you know, this show in

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<v Speaker 2>its prime tapped like a very actual surrealistic, absurdist streak

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<v Speaker 2>that the Simpsons never never did. Oh yeah, the Simpsons

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<v Speaker 2>was like essentially the Honeymooners. Then this was like my Python, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>which is something that like didn't it didn't. It didn't

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<v Speaker 2>conform to any of the acceptable rules, and there were

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<v Speaker 2>just all kinds of weird throw twos and subplots and

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<v Speaker 2>it just yeah, I mean it just hit me. I

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<v Speaker 2>definitely have not kept up with it. Yeah, no, no,

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<v Speaker 2>which is why it's so bizarre that you know, it's

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<v Speaker 2>been taken over by zoomers on TikTok over the past

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<v Speaker 2>three years, which.

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<v Speaker 1>Is just I missed this.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so I'm excited to explain it to you, pal

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<v Speaker 2>oh good and all of our listeners.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I was the same way with you. I was

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<v Speaker 1>a Simpsons guy, and then I saw advertisements for this

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<v Speaker 1>also on Fox, probably while watching The Simpsons.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's funny.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember at first thinking that Peter Griffin was just

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<v Speaker 1>like overweight Bill Gates, Like I really thought like some

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like parody or something which just really sets

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<v Speaker 1>it shows the sign of the times, if you will.

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<v Speaker 1>It would have been like what like late ninety eight.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, soon as I started watching Family Guys like

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<v Speaker 1>you couldn't go back to the Simpsons. It just to

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<v Speaker 1>me it felt like this was so much more potent.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's the perfect show for like teenagers who

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<v Speaker 1>are just starting to have their attention span routed by

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<v Speaker 1>the Internet, you know what I mean, Like this oh

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<v Speaker 1>ninety nine, like we were thirteen or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and man, I you know, I don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>give him credit for this, but like this show honestly

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<v Speaker 2>was one of the first kind of early precursors of

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<v Speaker 2>what entertainment would be today. Yeah, or like the screen

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<v Speaker 2>experience today where it's like it's gonna move really fast,

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<v Speaker 2>there's gonna be a bunch of things that you miss.

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<v Speaker 2>It's because it's just overstimulating you from every angle. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's I think there's like a certain poetry that it's

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<v Speaker 2>become so TikTok as part of like Generation Z and

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<v Speaker 2>A and like the most generations for attention span and

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<v Speaker 2>dopamine and all that literacy, basic social uh, you know

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<v Speaker 2>niceties I have. I mean, I work in education and

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<v Speaker 2>so does my sister, and trust me, you all want

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<v Speaker 2>to die before Generation Alpha takes over, and probably most

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<v Speaker 2>of Gen Z respectfully. But yeah, it's interesting. I just

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<v Speaker 2>think it anticipated this, Like the way things work now

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<v Speaker 2>is so the flow of non sequitars that parade our

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<v Speaker 2>everyday life.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody knew that it was always a guy. It was

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<v Speaker 1>a guy in high school. Everybody knew that guy in

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<v Speaker 1>high school who everybody thought was hilarious. But then all

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<v Speaker 1>of a sudden, you just realize one day wait a minute,

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<v Speaker 1>you're just random, You're not funny?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 1>Like that, Yeah, that's a common knock against the show.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what show writers from like the Simpsons in South

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<v Speaker 1>Park kind of accuse family guy of being.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's so funny because all those guys were like

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I don't know about the King of the

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<v Speaker 2>Hill writers room, but they were definitely like Harvard people

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<v Speaker 2>in the in the Simpsons writing room, And like, did

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<v Speaker 2>those guys not know about Dada? Did they do not

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<v Speaker 2>know about surrealism? Were they like not able to I

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<v Speaker 2>mean I think that, like I's very generous, well, but

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<v Speaker 2>they would. I mean, the Dadas were scatological quite a

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<v Speaker 2>lot too. They considered nothing like there's there's you know,

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<v Speaker 2>toilets as a significant part of Dada and surrealistic artist douchamp.

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<v Speaker 1>Also, that's an incredible pairing, and I applaud.

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<v Speaker 2>You for it, okay, And like it's obviously cringeness, it

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<v Speaker 2>like navigated its cringiness just by powering through. Yeah, Like

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<v Speaker 2>there was a point at which you would just like

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, like if you like saw someone wandering

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<v Speaker 2>around your college dorm in like an oversized hoodie and

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<v Speaker 2>Family Guy pajama pants. You would be like avoid that person.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that was just most you people.

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<v Speaker 1>That wasn't me. Yeah no, I had crushed velve at

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<v Speaker 1>pants in college, of course. Yeah no, I that to me,

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<v Speaker 1>that was just everything. I was in a dorm where

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<v Speaker 1>everybody was in the dorm was really in the television

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<v Speaker 1>like that was they put all the like wanna be

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<v Speaker 1>TV writers into one dorm. That was like the theme

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<v Speaker 1>of my floor of my dorm, which in retrospect, I

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<v Speaker 1>can't believe I meant it out alive. But yeah, no,

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<v Speaker 1>that was just kind of everybody in my dorm.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, good to know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so I kind of just stopped watching The Simpsons

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<v Speaker 1>after I got into Family Guy. And I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if it was just because the Family Guy just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of took over for me, or looking back on it,

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<v Speaker 1>it almost seems like Family Guys started to ascend right

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<v Speaker 1>when The Simpsons started its long, slow decline. But I

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<v Speaker 1>know you're much more of a Simpson's head than I am,

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<v Speaker 1>so imagine you have thoughts on that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, it's hard to pin exactly when it

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<v Speaker 2>started declining. I think there were still some good episodes

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<v Speaker 2>every now and again around that time, but I'm more

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<v Speaker 2>interested in your perception of it versus south Park. South Park.

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<v Speaker 1>I South Park got a weird relationship with because I

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<v Speaker 1>remember being in fourth grade, I want to say, And

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<v Speaker 1>I remember my I was in bed about to go

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<v Speaker 1>to sleep, and my dad came whirling in, and my

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<v Speaker 1>dad didn't get excited about a lot of things, and

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<v Speaker 1>I just remember him being like, you will never guess

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<v Speaker 1>what I just saw on this crazy TV show And

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<v Speaker 1>it was the Mister Hanky Christmas Special and he couldn't believe,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I have to imagine, judging from his reaction that

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<v Speaker 1>it was on par was seeing the Beatles on Sullivan

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<v Speaker 1>Like it was just so like I really, he like

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<v Speaker 1>shook me awake to tell me about this, but then

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<v Speaker 1>he refused to let me see South Park because it

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<v Speaker 1>was too cool for me. I have no idea. I

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<v Speaker 1>think it was like the only restriction he ever put

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<v Speaker 1>on any viewing for me ever my entire childhood.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Same, but I don't like, I mean, I still

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<v Speaker 2>put like this. Obviously, South Park is great. The Scott

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<v Speaker 2>Tenorant episode is one of the perfect episodes of television

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<v Speaker 2>of all time. Yes, yes, but I just couldn't fathom

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<v Speaker 2>why South Park Guy. Like, I can understand that like

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<v Speaker 2>a bunch of Ivy League like joke crafters in the

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<v Speaker 2>Simpsons room hated Family Guy, but like, where did the

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<v Speaker 2>South Park guys get off?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Okay, I think it's I mean, because it's Matt

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<v Speaker 1>Stone and Trade Park. It's just the two of them,

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<v Speaker 1>So I think they probably feel like it's these two

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<v Speaker 1>scrappy upstarts competing against the whole writer's room who are

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<v Speaker 1>making a boziz. I mean, I think Matt Stone and

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<v Speaker 1>Trey Parker even said like, yeah, they made a hell

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<v Speaker 1>of a lot more money Family Guy, whan we ever

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<v Speaker 1>did U. So I think they felt like it was

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<v Speaker 1>an unfair fight. And also, I mean, I hate to

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<v Speaker 1>say it like this, but like as a screenwriting major,

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<v Speaker 1>I will say I think that the plots of South

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<v Speaker 1>Park are much more ingenious. The humor is rooted in

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<v Speaker 1>not just the characters, but just the actual scenarios. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think that Family Guy does lean on the non sequiturs. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's a huge crutch that carries you through both

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of number of laughs per episode, and it

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<v Speaker 1>was just eating up time. I mean, if you have

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<v Speaker 1>if a given Family Guy episode has I'm making this

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<v Speaker 1>up at eight minutes per non sequit or out of

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<v Speaker 1>a twenty four minute episode or twenty one minute Sure,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just less staff to craft.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I mean, I'll admit.

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<v Speaker 1>I think South Park smarter.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know about that. I do think like the

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<v Speaker 2>cutaways when I heard them explained as I think in

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<v Speaker 2>Seth Macfarland's terms, like as essentially writing a far side

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<v Speaker 2>comic strip, Oh wow, okay, like and just having this

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<v Speaker 2>idea of like how are we going to pitch like

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<v Speaker 2>some random absurd image or some like insane ten sections

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<v Speaker 2>of action that like can be communicated in an instant

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<v Speaker 2>like this and keep the pace of the show. I

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<v Speaker 2>think that's a very valid writing and exercise. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think it certainly more than those idiots like farting around

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<v Speaker 2>in a room, you know, talking about like oh what

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<v Speaker 2>if Cartman had to poop? Like, come on, man, don't

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<v Speaker 2>give them credit as writers. You know you've seen eight

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<v Speaker 2>Days to Air that like the first like four days

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<v Speaker 2>of that show is them just like sitting around in

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<v Speaker 2>a room increasingly panicked as they don't have ideas, and

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<v Speaker 2>then they just I mean, yeah, man, but like I

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<v Speaker 2>promise you, yeah, but I just don't think. I mean, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, but no, I don't know. I I think

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<v Speaker 2>I came to understand the Family Guy, the cutaway bits

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<v Speaker 2>and their their target of humor or like their specific

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<v Speaker 2>I came to respect that more than I did when

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<v Speaker 2>I was listening to people tell me how stupid it

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<v Speaker 2>was whenever they did that.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's very effective, I will say, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>and just the ingenuity of a many I do admire

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<v Speaker 1>how Family Guy breaks the pain threshold with like long gags.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, like Peter fighting Ernie the giant Chicken for

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<v Speaker 1>like eight minutes or whatever the hell that was, Like

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<v Speaker 1>that's incredible, Like I admire those swings.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's what I get back to saying that there's

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<v Speaker 2>a degree of good writing in there is because it

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<v Speaker 2>initially started so small.

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<v Speaker 1>That's guts. That's not good riding, that's guts.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, it's guts, and its foresight to be like have

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<v Speaker 2>this like seeded thing where it's like, first it's just

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<v Speaker 2>like that chicken, pass me a bad cubon. So we

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<v Speaker 2>have like ten seconds of like a fight, and then

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<v Speaker 2>it gets occasionally referenced until it builds up to like

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<v Speaker 2>a full you know, they live fight in the alley scene,

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<v Speaker 2>so like which I also would be risky nuties if

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't tell you that south Park straight up copied

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<v Speaker 2>that entire scene for an episode, so they referenced it

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<v Speaker 2>in the.

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<v Speaker 1>Same way the Family Guy referenced it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, I mean, we'll get into the south Park

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<v Speaker 2>episode later anyway. Obviously, because the show is nearing four

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and fifty episodes, multiple spin offs, et cetera, et cetera,

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<v Speaker 2>we are covering the launch of the show to its

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<v Speaker 2>initial cancelation and return, and then we're gonna wrap it

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<v Speaker 2>up with some of the meme culture stuff and some

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<v Speaker 2>of the controversies. So for anyone that expects us to

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<v Speaker 2>be a deep dive into the entirety of aired Family Guy,

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<v Speaker 2>turn off now and don't give me a one star rating.

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<v Speaker 2>So from the incredible luck that propelled creator Seth MacFarlane

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<v Speaker 2>straight out of art school to the world of animation

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<v Speaker 2>and then, in short order, his own show, to how

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<v Speaker 2>much the show's other adult animation peers hated them, to

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<v Speaker 2>controversial episodes that never aired, to the absolutely brain rotting

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<v Speaker 2>second life of the show. On today's social media. Here's

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<v Speaker 2>everything you didn't know about Family Guy. Did your high

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<v Speaker 2>school jazz band do a version of that song?

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<v Speaker 1>What's on Family Guy?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? No, Oh, we were not cool enough for that.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god. I had to hear that so much

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<v Speaker 2>when I was in the high school jazz band circuit.

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<v Speaker 1>WHOA what'd you play it in jazz band space pace?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Anyway, Family Guy was created by a gentleman named

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<v Speaker 2>Seth MacFarlane, who, as anyone knows by now, is super

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<v Speaker 2>into forties and fifties music and road movies and also

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<v Speaker 2>TV from the late seventies into the eighties and show

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<v Speaker 2>tunes and show tunes. Yeah, he's like a half boomer,

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<v Speaker 2>half Generation.

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<v Speaker 1>X, which is kind of why I feel like we'd

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<v Speaker 1>be friends.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah that tracks. H McFarlan was born in Connecticut in

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen seventy three and was apparently drawing by the age

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<v Speaker 2>of two. By five, he knew he wanted to be

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<v Speaker 2>an animator, but unfortunately, as he said on Inside the

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<v Speaker 2>Actors Studio, there was no information at the time. I

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<v Speaker 2>think my parents found one book on animation that they

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<v Speaker 2>scrounged up for me, and they got it from a library,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. Two Towns. Over Four years later, at the

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<v Speaker 2>age of nine, young McFarlane was publishing a weekly comic

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<v Speaker 2>strip called Walter Cruton that appeared in his local newspaper,

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<v Speaker 2>for which he was paid five dollars a week.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, okay, I'm sorry. Even for a nine year old

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<v Speaker 1>in the eighties, that rate seems criminal.

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<v Speaker 2>Five bucks. I don't know, man, times were different. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>crack was cheaper.

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<v Speaker 1>Walter Krutze. Is that a Walter Cronkite reference or just probably? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so, like, I don't know, I just I know we.

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<v Speaker 1>Talked about this a little bit offline, but just get

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<v Speaker 1>this out of the way. Seth MacFarland. Is he like

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<v Speaker 1>some kind of can we say savant? Like he's definitely

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<v Speaker 1>like a very unusual talent, and not just from his influences,

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<v Speaker 1>like he was doing this at nine years old, Like

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's unusual.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's like a single purpose to him that seems

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<v Speaker 2>weird when you consider how like lazy he's actually gotten

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<v Speaker 2>in not writing or working on like any of these

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<v Speaker 2>shows anymore and just showing up to do voiceover work.

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<v Speaker 1>He's worth three hundred million dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's that too. Anyway, McFarland's eventual taste for courting

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<v Speaker 2>controversy showed up early A strip of the character kneeling

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<v Speaker 2>at the altar for communion and asking the priest can

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<v Speaker 2>I have fries with That earned him an angry letter

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<v Speaker 2>from a local priest.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like that's literally a Family Guy joke. I

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<v Speaker 1>swear I could hear Peter saying that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. In eighth grade, he made an animated film that

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<v Speaker 2>was very, very crude. In his words, you explained to

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<v Speaker 2>a IgM that I had a sense of exactly what

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<v Speaker 2>it was I wanted to do, but it was just

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<v Speaker 2>kind of tough. Even at the time, which was not

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<v Speaker 2>that long ago, no one was really able to tell

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<v Speaker 2>me how animation worked. Funny note about McFarland's early life.

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<v Speaker 2>He attended the Kent School, which was a Connecticut private

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<v Speaker 2>school where both his parents worked, and he said the

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<v Speaker 2>only reason he really went there is because they got

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<v Speaker 2>free tuition for him. But in nineteen ninety nine, the

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<v Speaker 2>Reverend Richardson W. Schnell Shell pardon me, then headmaster of

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<v Speaker 2>the Kent School, called Family Guy obnoxious and asked major

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<v Speaker 2>companies not to advertise on it, and subsequently McFarlane's parents

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<v Speaker 2>who were still working there in nineteen ninety nine resigned.

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<v Speaker 2>So I was like, man, that's love for your kid.

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<v Speaker 2>It's also like a weird.

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<v Speaker 1>Hill for the headmaster to to die on, like I've

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<v Speaker 1>never like it. Must have been pointed like did he

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<v Speaker 1>have it out for the McFarlands, Like that's a weird thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Now. I feel like somebody was just like, check out

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<v Speaker 2>what one of our alumni is doing. And he was like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh my goodness.

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<v Speaker 1>I said this in the Dead Poet Society episode. These

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<v Speaker 1>schools are evil. Take it from me. Prep school dropout.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, As McFarlane explained to Terry Gross on an

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<v Speaker 2>episode of Fresh Air in twenty eleven, a big early

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<v Speaker 2>influence on him was the Muppets, and in particular their music.

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<v Speaker 2>For me, the Muppets were more legit than anybody in

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<v Speaker 2>that regard, he said. The Muppets and even Sesame Street.

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<v Speaker 2>Joe Roposo, the great jazz composer, wrote so many great

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<v Speaker 2>songs for Sesame Street and the Muppets. Sinatra recorded Being Green,

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<v Speaker 2>Bing Crosby recorded Sing The Great Muppet Caper. Every song

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<v Speaker 2>in that movie is a great Joe Roposo song.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't believe he's not shouting out Paul Williams Holmes

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<v Speaker 1>is incredibly rainbow connection them Street, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Mean surely others. Well, therein lies the rub. McFarlane, as

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<v Speaker 2>most people know, loves mid century great American songbook crunersh

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<v Speaker 2>he sings on the show. He studied with Frank Sinatra's

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<v Speaker 2>old vocal teachers. He put out his own records and

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<v Speaker 2>toured with like big bands and cocktail shows. At one point,

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<v Speaker 2>when he was at Risdye, the Rhode Island School of

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<v Speaker 2>Design where he went to college, he thought about going

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<v Speaker 2>to Boston Conservatory to study musical theater, which talk about

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<v Speaker 2>two roads diverged in a wood. I think he would

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<v Speaker 2>have become like the evil Bizarro Lin Manuel Miranda had

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<v Speaker 2>he been, had he become a musical theater dork, Yeah, wow,

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<v Speaker 2>what a horrifying thought.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, quite, or he would have written, like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if the South Park guys did Book of Mormon, and

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<v Speaker 1>I can imagine Seth macfarlan would have probably done something.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>The so called Disney Renaissance, which we talked a lot

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<v Speaker 1>about on this show, the incredible string from what eighty

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<v Speaker 1>seven to ninety five is generally it's it's the era

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<v Speaker 1>of that Little Mermaid Duty and the Beast, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess it really depends on when your cut off

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<v Speaker 2>or when they stop being good. Is yeah, Hercules has

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<v Speaker 2>shooters out there.

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<v Speaker 1>I like Hercules, is okay. I think Mulom was like

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<v Speaker 1>the last good one in my memory. I remember thinking

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<v Speaker 1>that the one without all fulfilled Colin song Tarzan. I

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<v Speaker 1>remember thinking Tarzan was like, oh I don't like this

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<v Speaker 1>at all.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I think like when I was, I think

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<v Speaker 2>like Hunchback of oshra Dam was another one where I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, this isn't good. Yeah. Yeah, although that one

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<v Speaker 2>I shooters too. I will say it's just because everyone

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<v Speaker 2>loves the priests like Horny Fire and Brimstone Song.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway, the so called Disney Renaissance was primed to make

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<v Speaker 1>a huge impact on young on Master McFarlane, I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like he would have been the can of kid that

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<v Speaker 1>would get off on being called Master McFarlane.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, yeah, probably, yeah. Takes one to know one.

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<v Speaker 1>He enrolled at the Rhode Island School of Design. He said,

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<v Speaker 1>I suppose I decided there that big bulbous eyes were important.

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<v Speaker 2>If that's the some takeaway of his education.

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<v Speaker 1>And He studied there with the intention of becoming an

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<v Speaker 1>animator for Disney. Then here comes the Simpsons. He told

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<v Speaker 1>MPR who said, hey, you could also do this. We're

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<v Speaker 1>rewriting the rule book with regard to what you can

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<v Speaker 1>do on television, and I was laughing. This was something

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<v Speaker 1>that actually was for me. In college, McFarlane did stand

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<v Speaker 1>up comedy, which I can't imagine that went well, especially

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<v Speaker 1>seeing well Oscar.

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<v Speaker 2>He's not doing it now. Yeah, when you're insanely rich

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<v Speaker 2>and can virtually pay your way out of any debacle

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<v Speaker 2>and you still don't return to something you flopped at

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<v Speaker 2>in college, Okay, that's how you know you really sucked

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<v Speaker 2>at it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so he did stand up. He appeared in student films.

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<v Speaker 1>He created a thesis called The Life of Larry, which

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<v Speaker 1>was basically a dry run for Family Guy, A thesis film.

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<v Speaker 2>What did I say, just a thesis.

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<v Speaker 1>A thesis film. I definitely think it was included as

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<v Speaker 1>like a bonus feature on one of the Family Guys.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah they're out there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I've definitely seen it hilariously. At least one of

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<v Speaker 1>his professors at Risdy tried to deter seth MacFarland from

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<v Speaker 1>honing in on comedy. He told The New York Times

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<v Speaker 1>in two thousand and four. I just wanted to make

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<v Speaker 1>people laugh, and I remember taking a lot of guff

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<v Speaker 1>from my professors about that. I showed my storyboard my

0:23:00.240 --> 0:23:02.960
<v Speaker 1>film professor, and she said, I'm really worried that you're

0:23:02.960 --> 0:23:05.960
<v Speaker 1>wasting your time on what's essentially a lot of bathroom humor.

0:23:06.960 --> 0:23:09.199
<v Speaker 1>She said, this is the one chance to make the

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<v Speaker 1>personal film that you really want to make, and I said,

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<v Speaker 1>this is it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, man.

0:23:14.400 --> 0:23:18.160
<v Speaker 1>One of Seth McFarland's professors submitted his thesis, the one

0:23:18.200 --> 0:23:20.399
<v Speaker 1>that one of the other professors thought he was wasting

0:23:20.440 --> 0:23:23.440
<v Speaker 1>his time on. Somebody else apparently at the school thought

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<v Speaker 1>it was great and submitted it to Hannah Barbara without

0:23:27.760 --> 0:23:31.119
<v Speaker 1>McFarland's knowledge, which is crazy. There was a competition Hannah

0:23:31.160 --> 0:23:35.480
<v Speaker 1>Barbara was having and McFarlane's thesis film The Life of

0:23:35.560 --> 0:23:39.600
<v Speaker 1>Larry won, and subsequently, in nineteen ninety five, McFarlane moved

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<v Speaker 1>to Los Angeles to work for the Legendary Animation Studio,

0:23:42.880 --> 0:23:46.720
<v Speaker 1>contributing the series Like Dexter's Laboratory, Cowan Chicken and.

0:23:46.680 --> 0:23:49.320
<v Speaker 2>Johnny Bravo Forgot about Cowen Chicken Isn't that kind of

0:23:49.359 --> 0:23:53.000
<v Speaker 2>sweet that like a professor randomly picked. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 2>think part of the program was that people had to

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<v Speaker 2>be selected, but just the idea that someone was like,

0:23:57.720 --> 0:23:59.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna I'm gonna do this for you and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>also not going to tell you. You know, that's kind of sweet.

0:24:03.160 --> 0:24:03.560
<v Speaker 1>I like that.

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<v Speaker 2>I would have enjoyed that support at any point in

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<v Speaker 2>my life. But you know, so what are we talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>Interestingly, it wasn't McFarland's animation Chops that got him his

0:24:17.520 --> 0:24:20.399
<v Speaker 1>job at Hanna Barbara. As he explained to IGN, I

0:24:20.480 --> 0:24:22.520
<v Speaker 1>was actually one of the few people who got hired

0:24:22.520 --> 0:24:26.240
<v Speaker 1>into that program primarily because of writing. This is what

0:24:26.280 --> 0:24:29.040
<v Speaker 1>they told me after the fact. Certainly, my student film

0:24:29.119 --> 0:24:32.199
<v Speaker 1>was not the drawings were not anything special. They were

0:24:32.200 --> 0:24:34.800
<v Speaker 1>pretty crude looking. But you know, it was the content,

0:24:34.920 --> 0:24:37.119
<v Speaker 1>the jokes themselves, that were the reason they hired me.

0:24:37.560 --> 0:24:40.600
<v Speaker 1>And while out West, McFarlane also freelanced for Disney for

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<v Speaker 1>a time. It is beloved Disney, working on Jungle Cubs,

0:24:43.760 --> 0:24:46.040
<v Speaker 1>which I have no memory of, and ace Ventchara, the

0:24:46.080 --> 0:24:48.679
<v Speaker 1>animated series, which I deemly recall.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I have a dim memory of that. Yeah, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, One of the things that I do like

0:24:53.280 --> 0:24:55.359
<v Speaker 2>about him that this show made me respect more is

0:24:55.400 --> 0:24:58.600
<v Speaker 2>like he kept bringing in people from the kind of

0:24:58.680 --> 0:25:01.920
<v Speaker 2>animation community. Like there's a lot of people on this

0:25:02.000 --> 0:25:04.560
<v Speaker 2>show who he worked with at Cartoon Network and other places.

0:25:04.600 --> 0:25:09.520
<v Speaker 2>So you know, it's a family business. Come on, make

0:25:09.560 --> 0:25:13.720
<v Speaker 2>it a family guy. While working in While working in

0:25:13.760 --> 0:25:16.800
<v Speaker 2>Hannah Barbera in nineteen ninety six, McFarland created a sequel

0:25:16.840 --> 0:25:19.480
<v Speaker 2>to the Life of Larry called Larry and Steve, which

0:25:19.520 --> 0:25:22.440
<v Speaker 2>featured the bumbling, middle aged Larry and his highly intelligent

0:25:22.480 --> 0:25:25.600
<v Speaker 2>dog Steve. The short was broadcast in nineteen ninety seven

0:25:25.640 --> 0:25:28.880
<v Speaker 2>as one of Cartoon Network's World Premiere tunes, at which

0:25:28.920 --> 0:25:31.400
<v Speaker 2>point it caught the eye of a Fox exec who

0:25:31.440 --> 0:25:34.439
<v Speaker 2>initially wanted to run McFarland shorts as part of Mad TV.

0:25:34.760 --> 0:25:37.959
<v Speaker 2>Alah Howe. The Simpsons got its first start as shorts

0:25:38.000 --> 0:25:40.960
<v Speaker 2>on The Tracy Ullman Show, but McFarland actually had to

0:25:41.000 --> 0:25:44.320
<v Speaker 2>pitch Family Guy twice. He was introduced to Leslie Collins

0:25:44.359 --> 0:25:48.360
<v Speaker 2>and Mike Darnell, who ran Fox's alternative comedy department, which

0:25:48.440 --> 0:25:51.080
<v Speaker 2>must have been a thing back then, and he met

0:25:51.119 --> 0:25:53.919
<v Speaker 2>them through a development executive at Hannah barbera who was

0:25:53.920 --> 0:25:56.960
<v Speaker 2>trying to get Hannah Barbara back on primetime. So McFarlane

0:25:56.960 --> 0:25:59.800
<v Speaker 2>took a script and characters and he pitched this to

0:26:00.359 --> 0:26:02.800
<v Speaker 2>but the network had just shelled out for King of

0:26:02.800 --> 0:26:05.960
<v Speaker 2>the Hill and they were not sure how that investment

0:26:06.040 --> 0:26:09.639
<v Speaker 2>was going to pan out, so they passed so in

0:26:09.680 --> 0:26:11.520
<v Speaker 2>about a year, then, after King of the Hill made

0:26:11.520 --> 0:26:14.920
<v Speaker 2>its money back, McFarlane called Fox just to be like, hey,

0:26:15.320 --> 0:26:18.520
<v Speaker 2>any news, and Leslie Collins was like, yeah, come on

0:26:18.640 --> 0:26:18.919
<v Speaker 2>back in.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's crazy, that's actually really nuts about That's actually

0:26:24.200 --> 0:26:25.879
<v Speaker 1>how I got my job at iHeart was that I

0:26:25.920 --> 0:26:29.720
<v Speaker 1>pitched them a show which we're still talking about making yees,

0:26:30.320 --> 0:26:33.400
<v Speaker 1>seven years after I pitched it to him initially, and

0:26:33.840 --> 0:26:38.080
<v Speaker 1>I was directed to somebody who wasn't getting back to me,

0:26:38.119 --> 0:26:39.800
<v Speaker 1>wasn't getting back to me, wasn't getting back to me,

0:26:40.359 --> 0:26:43.320
<v Speaker 1>and I almost just gave up. And then I said,

0:26:43.320 --> 0:26:45.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, I'm gonna try them one more time. And

0:26:45.119 --> 0:26:46.720
<v Speaker 1>then he was like, oh my god, I'm so sorry.

0:26:46.760 --> 0:26:49.560
<v Speaker 1>I completely like, I'm new to this job and I'm

0:26:49.680 --> 0:26:53.399
<v Speaker 1>totally swamped, totally overwhelmed. Let's have a call. And we

0:26:53.480 --> 0:26:55.840
<v Speaker 1>hit it off and became friends and he ended up

0:26:55.960 --> 0:26:58.440
<v Speaker 1>eventually just hiring me. There wasn't like a role. He

0:26:58.560 --> 0:26:59.920
<v Speaker 1>just made a role for me. And that's how I

0:26:59.920 --> 0:27:03.520
<v Speaker 1>got this job. And look at me.

0:27:03.640 --> 0:27:06.920
<v Speaker 2>Now, and look and look at me now, Tom top

0:27:06.960 --> 0:27:09.720
<v Speaker 2>of the world, look at look at me now, look

0:27:09.760 --> 0:27:14.679
<v Speaker 2>at me. I'm getting paper. Ultimately, Fox gave him I

0:27:14.720 --> 0:27:19.200
<v Speaker 2>am grinding, I'm grinding, grindset, mindset. Ultimately Fox gave him

0:27:19.200 --> 0:27:23.520
<v Speaker 2>a proposal do a pilot for fifty grand. Wow. Yeah,

0:27:23.600 --> 0:27:26.160
<v Speaker 2>at a time when most half hour animated shows cost

0:27:26.240 --> 0:27:29.560
<v Speaker 2>close to a million dollars. And then they would see

0:27:30.240 --> 0:27:32.440
<v Speaker 2>the idea was that I animate this thing by myself.

0:27:32.600 --> 0:27:35.840
<v Speaker 2>Mccarlan told The New York Times. I spent about six Yeah,

0:27:35.840 --> 0:27:38.560
<v Speaker 2>it's awful. I spent about six months with no sleep

0:27:38.600 --> 0:27:40.800
<v Speaker 2>and no life, just drawing like crazy in my kitchen

0:27:40.840 --> 0:27:43.320
<v Speaker 2>and doing this pilot. About six months later, I handed

0:27:43.359 --> 0:27:45.919
<v Speaker 2>it in about forty pounds lighter, and they were laughing,

0:27:46.080 --> 0:27:48.120
<v Speaker 2>and they liked it enough to order thirteen. Yeah.

0:27:48.119 --> 0:27:51.120
<v Speaker 1>These days, it costs I think around two million dollars

0:27:51.240 --> 0:27:54.720
<v Speaker 1>per Family Guy episode, and I guess that excludes talent fees,

0:27:54.760 --> 0:27:56.920
<v Speaker 1>because the main cast gets something like a quarter million

0:27:56.960 --> 0:27:59.600
<v Speaker 1>dollars an episode. And that figure I saw was like

0:27:59.640 --> 0:28:01.359
<v Speaker 1>ten year years ago, so I don't even want to

0:28:01.359 --> 0:28:02.080
<v Speaker 1>know what it is now.

0:28:02.240 --> 0:28:04.840
<v Speaker 2>Initially, McFarland did most of the show's male voices simply

0:28:04.840 --> 0:28:08.560
<v Speaker 2>out of necessity. Stewie's voice comes from Rex Harrison and

0:28:08.720 --> 0:28:12.160
<v Speaker 2>McFarlane's love of Doctor Doolittle and My Fair Lady, while

0:28:12.160 --> 0:28:15.560
<v Speaker 2>Brian's is the closest to McFarland's actual speaking voice. Do

0:28:15.640 --> 0:28:17.960
<v Speaker 2>you know about the controversy with Stewie. Well, I was

0:28:18.040 --> 0:28:20.160
<v Speaker 2>going to get into the smartest boar on Earth thing,

0:28:20.480 --> 0:28:23.840
<v Speaker 2>but I didn't. I stopped caring.

0:28:24.080 --> 0:28:25.600
<v Speaker 1>Oh well, id care?

0:28:26.040 --> 0:28:28.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I was gonna say, this is how we check

0:28:28.440 --> 0:28:28.800
<v Speaker 2>each other.

0:28:28.920 --> 0:28:29.159
<v Speaker 3>You know.

0:28:30.560 --> 0:28:33.120
<v Speaker 1>If that's one thing I'm good at, it's caring, Folks,

0:28:33.359 --> 0:28:34.960
<v Speaker 1>you know that it is.

0:28:35.040 --> 0:28:40.760
<v Speaker 2>He's a wonderful lover with a pretty good dick, Folks.

0:28:40.800 --> 0:28:44.000
<v Speaker 2>If you're hearing this right now, that means I wasn't mad.

0:28:43.920 --> 0:28:48.880
<v Speaker 1>Enough to cut it out. Interestingly, there was a comic strip,

0:28:48.920 --> 0:28:51.280
<v Speaker 1>I think it was a local Chicago comic strip that

0:28:51.320 --> 0:28:53.840
<v Speaker 1>was later turned into a series of graphic novels in

0:28:53.880 --> 0:28:56.360
<v Speaker 1>the early nineties, like mid nineties round ninety five called

0:28:56.480 --> 0:29:00.400
<v Speaker 1>Jimmy Corrigan the Smartest kid on Earth and this boy,

0:29:00.640 --> 0:29:03.160
<v Speaker 1>he's a boy with a big football shaped head, I think,

0:29:03.400 --> 0:29:06.440
<v Speaker 1>who invents things to escape from his mother. And the

0:29:06.480 --> 0:29:09.200
<v Speaker 1>creator of this strip, guy named Chris Ware, is quoted

0:29:09.240 --> 0:29:12.400
<v Speaker 1>as calling the similarities between his character Jimmy Corrigan and

0:29:12.440 --> 0:29:17.400
<v Speaker 1>Stewie as quote a little coincidental, to be simply well coincidental,

0:29:17.640 --> 0:29:20.920
<v Speaker 1>and Seth MacFarlane actually agreed, he said in that two

0:29:20.920 --> 0:29:23.720
<v Speaker 1>That's the three interview, although he claims he never saw

0:29:23.720 --> 0:29:27.120
<v Speaker 1>the comic strip before, he called the similarities quote pretty

0:29:27.120 --> 0:29:31.000
<v Speaker 1>shocking and added that he quote understood how where would

0:29:31.040 --> 0:29:32.200
<v Speaker 1>reach that conclusion.

0:29:32.560 --> 0:29:35.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I mean the reason that I don't, like fully

0:29:35.520 --> 0:29:38.080
<v Speaker 2>go in on him for this is that the world

0:29:38.160 --> 0:29:43.200
<v Speaker 2>of early nineties comic books was very cloistered, and if

0:29:43.360 --> 0:29:46.960
<v Speaker 2>he grew up, if Seth was in Connecticut and then

0:29:47.040 --> 0:29:50.120
<v Speaker 2>Rhode Island, the chances of him bumping into and then

0:29:50.280 --> 0:29:55.200
<v Speaker 2>reading an episode of an underground like alt comic were

0:29:55.280 --> 0:29:58.320
<v Speaker 2>pretty slim. So I think there's a degree of plausibility

0:29:58.320 --> 0:30:00.400
<v Speaker 2>that when he's like because even I mean, I was

0:30:00.400 --> 0:30:03.400
<v Speaker 2>a moderate comic book nerd, and I didn't learn about

0:30:03.840 --> 0:30:08.680
<v Speaker 2>all comics like ghost World, and you know, Jimmy Corrigan

0:30:08.800 --> 0:30:12.000
<v Speaker 2>and Love and Rockets until I got to college and

0:30:12.080 --> 0:30:14.880
<v Speaker 2>like took a course about the history of comic books.

0:30:14.960 --> 0:30:18.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah cool, So I want to I want to grant

0:30:18.440 --> 0:30:22.040
<v Speaker 2>him a degree of like I hear you. Yeah, I agree.

0:30:23.160 --> 0:30:25.960
<v Speaker 1>Seth did clear up another big bit of Stewie lore

0:30:26.080 --> 0:30:28.400
<v Speaker 1>in a two thousand and nine interview with Playboy in

0:30:28.400 --> 0:30:31.360
<v Speaker 1>which he confirmed that Stewie is gay and considered an

0:30:31.360 --> 0:30:34.080
<v Speaker 1>episode where he officially came out, which I don't think

0:30:34.080 --> 0:30:36.680
<v Speaker 1>they ever ended up doing, although, as you said, I

0:30:36.680 --> 0:30:40.800
<v Speaker 1>have tuned out of the last fifteen.

0:30:40.440 --> 0:30:45.360
<v Speaker 2>Century of seasons. Yes, no, I I think that character

0:30:45.400 --> 0:30:47.560
<v Speaker 2>got so much more funny when he just turned into

0:30:47.720 --> 0:30:50.320
<v Speaker 2>like they, I mean, the early leg I'm gonna kill

0:30:50.360 --> 0:30:53.600
<v Speaker 2>like Lewis, I'm going to kill you like all that mother.

0:30:54.640 --> 0:30:59.520
<v Speaker 1>Uh, Jim Morrison as Rex Erison or vice versa.

0:31:00.760 --> 0:31:02.760
<v Speaker 2>Now I'm trying to remember the ones. The one quote

0:31:04.320 --> 0:31:07.040
<v Speaker 2>that I used to that I that I downloaded from Kazah.

0:31:07.320 --> 0:31:09.280
<v Speaker 2>Maybe it wasn't burned that well into my brain, or

0:31:09.320 --> 0:31:13.280
<v Speaker 2>maybe I've made room for it with for Jazzar Peggios.

0:31:13.360 --> 0:31:14.800
<v Speaker 1>Were security number.

0:31:15.240 --> 0:31:19.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, Uh, that character got a lot funny and

0:31:19.240 --> 0:31:21.479
<v Speaker 2>when he was just sort of a foil to Brian,

0:31:21.640 --> 0:31:23.880
<v Speaker 2>like when they started just pairing them together in all

0:31:23.880 --> 0:31:26.440
<v Speaker 2>the Road episodes like that, that was a that was

0:31:26.520 --> 0:31:27.200
<v Speaker 2>smart of them.

0:31:27.360 --> 0:31:32.120
<v Speaker 1>Yes, meanwhile, that's about Peter.

0:31:33.400 --> 0:31:36.120
<v Speaker 2>I can't do Peter. I can't do that voice. Peter Meanwhile,

0:31:36.200 --> 0:31:40.520
<v Speaker 2>as McFarland told NPR, is very much the quintessential big fat,

0:31:40.600 --> 0:31:43.040
<v Speaker 2>loud New England guy who is very very good at

0:31:43.040 --> 0:31:46.840
<v Speaker 2>the core, big hearted, but just has zero self editing mechanism,

0:31:47.200 --> 0:31:49.560
<v Speaker 2>no idea what is appropriate and inappropriate, and you just

0:31:49.600 --> 0:31:51.160
<v Speaker 2>kind of have to forgive him because he doesn't know

0:31:51.200 --> 0:31:53.760
<v Speaker 2>any better. And I knew so many of those guys.

0:31:53.800 --> 0:31:55.840
<v Speaker 2>My father knew tons of those guys when we were

0:31:55.840 --> 0:31:59.600
<v Speaker 2>living back East. Specifically, McFarland has said that Peter's voice

0:31:59.640 --> 0:32:02.680
<v Speaker 2>came for security guards he would overhear talking on the

0:32:02.760 --> 0:32:07.480
<v Speaker 2>Risdy campus. Also U and this is hilarious, as The

0:32:07.480 --> 0:32:11.160
<v Speaker 2>New York Times rather drolly noted in a profile. McFarlane

0:32:11.240 --> 0:32:14.440
<v Speaker 2>has also mentioned as an inspiration a friend's father who

0:32:14.520 --> 0:32:17.960
<v Speaker 2>fell asleep and began snoring loudly during the critically praised

0:32:17.960 --> 0:32:22.520
<v Speaker 2>film Philadelphia, a drama about aids I need.

0:32:22.640 --> 0:32:29.080
<v Speaker 1>Someone was watching Tree of Life that Brad Pitt like

0:32:29.280 --> 0:32:31.080
<v Speaker 1>three hour meditation on.

0:32:31.400 --> 0:32:34.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's charismatic, it's beautiful, there's dinosaurs.

0:32:34.520 --> 0:32:37.440
<v Speaker 1>Her mom sat there silently throughout the entire thing, and

0:32:37.520 --> 0:32:39.800
<v Speaker 1>as soon as it ended in the credits all she

0:32:39.880 --> 0:32:43.040
<v Speaker 1>stood up and went dumb and walked out of the room.

0:32:43.760 --> 0:32:46.920
<v Speaker 2>That's pretty good our soul review. Oh was she wrong?

0:32:47.320 --> 0:32:48.680
<v Speaker 2>I who's to say? Who is?

0:32:48.920 --> 0:32:49.920
<v Speaker 1>Who is to say?

0:32:50.440 --> 0:32:53.680
<v Speaker 2>Art is subjective? That's why we love it, don't we, folks?

0:32:54.240 --> 0:32:57.640
<v Speaker 2>Except for my art, which is objectively correct. And I

0:32:57.640 --> 0:33:01.120
<v Speaker 2>will see you all driven before me one day.

0:33:01.520 --> 0:33:05.360
<v Speaker 1>Family Guy's other biggest contributor is Alex Borstein, at the

0:33:05.400 --> 0:33:07.600
<v Speaker 1>time a breakout star on Mad TV.

0:33:07.800 --> 0:33:14.240
<v Speaker 2>I forgot about that, A deeply racist character. Oh yeah,

0:33:14.400 --> 0:33:16.880
<v Speaker 2>she was like miss Kwan or whatever. Yeah, I forgot

0:33:16.880 --> 0:33:20.240
<v Speaker 2>about it, like fully doing Yellow Phase. Yeah, I forgot

0:33:20.280 --> 0:33:23.640
<v Speaker 2>yeah right now? Yes, yeah.

0:33:23.880 --> 0:33:27.200
<v Speaker 1>She came via Fox except Leslie Collins, who asked boristein

0:33:27.240 --> 0:33:30.280
<v Speaker 1>to voice lowest quote for next to no money McFarland

0:33:30.400 --> 0:33:32.680
<v Speaker 1>joke to ign although it probably wasn't a joke.

0:33:33.160 --> 0:33:35.360
<v Speaker 2>It was sketch comedy mixed in with the sitcom, and

0:33:35.400 --> 0:33:36.200
<v Speaker 2>it was so dense.

0:33:36.280 --> 0:33:38.400
<v Speaker 1>She told The La Times in twenty twenty four of

0:33:38.480 --> 0:33:41.480
<v Speaker 1>what initially appealed to her about the show. Each episode

0:33:41.520 --> 0:33:43.239
<v Speaker 1>has so much in it, and I just knew it

0:33:43.280 --> 0:33:46.240
<v Speaker 1>was special and weird and made laugh out loud throughout.

0:33:47.040 --> 0:33:51.200
<v Speaker 1>By McFarland's estimation, Borstein did quote probably seventy five percent

0:33:51.240 --> 0:33:53.760
<v Speaker 1>of our female voices and also wrote for the show,

0:33:53.800 --> 0:33:56.240
<v Speaker 1>which I didn't know, helping to rain in the fraddy

0:33:56.360 --> 0:34:00.200
<v Speaker 1>sensibilities of the rest of the presumably male team. You

0:34:00.240 --> 0:34:03.320
<v Speaker 1>know why everybody in the show just rags on Meg

0:34:03.360 --> 0:34:07.320
<v Speaker 1>Griffin was because all the predominantly male writers realize that

0:34:07.360 --> 0:34:09.759
<v Speaker 1>they did not to write for a tech girl, so

0:34:09.760 --> 0:34:11.520
<v Speaker 1>they're just like just make fun of her.

0:34:11.360 --> 0:34:14.440
<v Speaker 2>Every time someone started saying something that makes shut up Meg,

0:34:15.239 --> 0:34:18.719
<v Speaker 2>And God, that still gets me, dude. I'm sorry. I

0:34:18.760 --> 0:34:21.320
<v Speaker 2>know there's all kinds of gendered stuff in there and whatever,

0:34:21.400 --> 0:34:25.320
<v Speaker 2>but like, who lets you back in the house, funny

0:34:25.960 --> 0:34:28.360
<v Speaker 2>non moments of extreme cruelty.

0:34:28.600 --> 0:34:30.200
<v Speaker 1>I mean, yeah, it's not a gender thing. I mean

0:34:30.239 --> 0:34:32.279
<v Speaker 1>I think about like, you know, Donny, you're out of

0:34:32.280 --> 0:34:33.760
<v Speaker 1>your element from Big.

0:34:34.480 --> 0:34:37.960
<v Speaker 2>That's always funny to have one character irrationally furious at

0:34:38.000 --> 0:34:38.600
<v Speaker 2>another one.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's just love, that's just comedy gold, that's just

0:34:41.600 --> 0:34:46.880
<v Speaker 1>good writing. Fellows's voice, Borstein explained to NPR in twenty fifteen,

0:34:47.200 --> 0:34:49.200
<v Speaker 1>it's a direct rip off of a cousin of mine

0:34:49.239 --> 0:34:52.920
<v Speaker 1>on Long Island. Her accent's a little different. She's Hungarian,

0:34:53.000 --> 0:34:56.239
<v Speaker 1>so it's Hungarian and Long Island mixed together. It's like

0:34:56.280 --> 0:34:57.120
<v Speaker 1>a cat dying.

0:34:57.680 --> 0:35:02.600
<v Speaker 2>It's terrible. Yeah, that does sound quite awful.

0:35:02.680 --> 0:35:07.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Borstin and McFarland's heavy character loads meant a lot

0:35:07.200 --> 0:35:10.319
<v Speaker 1>of time in recording Boots. I usually do all one

0:35:10.400 --> 0:35:12.799
<v Speaker 1>character first, like I'll do Lois first, and once I

0:35:12.840 --> 0:35:15.200
<v Speaker 1>finished that, I'll go back through and I'll do Tricia

0:35:15.239 --> 0:35:20.080
<v Speaker 1>Takanawa or Babs or whatever. Borsting told bleedingcool dot com.

0:35:20.600 --> 0:35:23.200
<v Speaker 2>You heard me, you read me.

0:35:24.560 --> 0:35:27.160
<v Speaker 1>I usually end up playing five characters in one episode,

0:35:27.200 --> 0:35:29.239
<v Speaker 1>so I go back through five times and do each

0:35:29.360 --> 0:35:34.160
<v Speaker 1>character separately. Oddly enough, Thorsten recalled the ign that at first,

0:35:34.200 --> 0:35:36.839
<v Speaker 1>between the pilot and the show's pickup, the network wanted

0:35:36.880 --> 0:35:38.840
<v Speaker 1>to get rid of me. She said, I had the

0:35:38.840 --> 0:35:41.000
<v Speaker 1>fight to keep my job. I had to re audition

0:35:41.120 --> 0:35:43.520
<v Speaker 1>for it, along with every female that ever stepped off

0:35:43.560 --> 0:35:47.080
<v Speaker 1>a bus in Hollywood. Seth Green, who was then more

0:35:47.120 --> 0:35:49.680
<v Speaker 1>known for his role on Buffy the Vampire Slayer and

0:35:50.200 --> 0:35:53.200
<v Speaker 1>presumably Austin Powers. Yeah, the first one came out in

0:35:53.400 --> 0:35:55.560
<v Speaker 1>ninety seven, so okay, around the same time, and Can't

0:35:55.560 --> 0:35:56.080
<v Speaker 1>Hardly was.

0:35:56.080 --> 0:36:00.319
<v Speaker 2>Also in He was in Idle Hands, Oh Yeah, which

0:36:00.360 --> 0:36:03.239
<v Speaker 2>is a bad movie. Car Harley Waite's a great movie.

0:36:03.360 --> 0:36:06.799
<v Speaker 2>It's an even better replacement song. I'm pretty sure. I'm

0:36:06.800 --> 0:36:10.000
<v Speaker 2>pretty sure Paul Westerberg still gets royalties off that. That

0:36:10.120 --> 0:36:12.239
<v Speaker 2>might be why he doesn't feel the need to work

0:36:13.640 --> 0:36:14.120
<v Speaker 2>Seth Green.

0:36:14.200 --> 0:36:16.040
<v Speaker 1>He was brought in to play Peter and Lois's son,

0:36:16.239 --> 0:36:21.560
<v Speaker 1>Chris pattering his distinctive voice on Ted Levine as Buffalo

0:36:21.640 --> 0:36:26.279
<v Speaker 1>Bill from Silence of the Lambs. That's incredible. I never

0:36:26.320 --> 0:36:29.360
<v Speaker 1>picked up on that. He apparently had been screwing around

0:36:29.400 --> 0:36:31.640
<v Speaker 1>with an impression of Buffalo Bill with a bunch of

0:36:31.640 --> 0:36:33.520
<v Speaker 1>his friends and they dared him to do it at

0:36:33.520 --> 0:36:36.840
<v Speaker 1>the audition, and apparently he ended up getting the role

0:36:37.160 --> 0:36:38.920
<v Speaker 1>because he was one of the only guys, if not

0:36:38.960 --> 0:36:41.240
<v Speaker 1>the only guy who didn't do a surfer dude voice.

0:36:41.360 --> 0:36:44.680
<v Speaker 1>Ah Sean Penn's character from Fastest Ridgemont High.

0:36:44.719 --> 0:36:46.440
<v Speaker 2>I think he asked McFarlane, he was like, do you

0:36:46.520 --> 0:36:48.880
<v Speaker 2>mind if I just do something really weird, and McFarland

0:36:48.920 --> 0:36:50.439
<v Speaker 2>was like, yeah, sure, and so he was like, well

0:36:50.480 --> 0:36:55.000
<v Speaker 2>on your dad, Like I don't know that now we're

0:36:55.040 --> 0:37:00.399
<v Speaker 2>sure a great big fat woman. That's sort of That's

0:37:00.400 --> 0:37:02.040
<v Speaker 2>the closest I can get to Buffalo Bill.

0:37:03.520 --> 0:37:05.359
<v Speaker 1>I used to be able to do it. I used

0:37:05.360 --> 0:37:06.520
<v Speaker 1>to be able to do it because there was a

0:37:06.520 --> 0:37:09.399
<v Speaker 1>guy went to college with who sounded just like Chris

0:37:09.400 --> 0:37:11.279
<v Speaker 1>in real life, and I used to imitate him and

0:37:11.280 --> 0:37:12.120
<v Speaker 1>then it occurred to.

0:37:12.080 --> 0:37:13.760
<v Speaker 2>Me so weird.

0:37:13.960 --> 0:37:16.759
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the key was so weird. That was like the

0:37:16.800 --> 0:37:18.959
<v Speaker 1>thing he used to always say, and then I can't

0:37:18.960 --> 0:37:19.640
<v Speaker 1>do the rest of it.

0:37:19.719 --> 0:37:22.640
<v Speaker 2>Also, like in every episode, at least one character just goes,

0:37:22.800 --> 0:37:24.160
<v Speaker 2>what the hell? Yeah?

0:37:24.280 --> 0:37:27.400
<v Speaker 1>I know that's gotta be I asked McFarlan, ever comments

0:37:27.440 --> 0:37:29.680
<v Speaker 1>on that, because that is like a thing that keeps

0:37:29.719 --> 0:37:32.040
<v Speaker 1>coming up in like things you didn't know about family

0:37:32.080 --> 0:37:34.879
<v Speaker 1>guy posts. Yeah, it's in like every episode somebody does

0:37:34.880 --> 0:37:37.880
<v Speaker 1>the derivation of what the hell? Yeah, it's amazing.

0:37:38.080 --> 0:37:39.080
<v Speaker 2>During one episode.

0:37:39.120 --> 0:37:42.759
<v Speaker 1>I forgot about this until researching this episode, Seth Green

0:37:42.880 --> 0:37:46.560
<v Speaker 1>as Chris does, there's a whole bit.

0:37:46.480 --> 0:37:48.160
<v Speaker 2>Where just call it the tucking bit.

0:37:48.280 --> 0:37:53.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Chris recreates the Buffalo Bill Goodbye Horses, dress up

0:37:53.760 --> 0:37:55.480
<v Speaker 1>from Silence of the Lambs.

0:37:56.200 --> 0:37:58.520
<v Speaker 2>It's a great bit. It's a great bit, good one

0:37:58.560 --> 0:38:02.800
<v Speaker 2>to do at parties. Speaking of voice actors, I didn't

0:38:02.840 --> 0:38:03.239
<v Speaker 2>know this.

0:38:03.520 --> 0:38:07.040
<v Speaker 1>The show initially cast Lacey Shabert, your beloved Gretchen Winters

0:38:07.080 --> 0:38:09.200
<v Speaker 1>for Mean Girls as the voice.

0:38:09.000 --> 0:38:12.040
<v Speaker 2>Of miss a pretty pretty brunette.

0:38:12.080 --> 0:38:13.359
<v Speaker 1>You love lazy Shber? I didn't.

0:38:13.360 --> 0:38:15.640
<v Speaker 2>I didn't love Lacey Shepard such a crush on her.

0:38:15.640 --> 0:38:18.920
<v Speaker 2>I went to go see that and she lost in

0:38:19.040 --> 0:38:22.759
<v Speaker 2>Space movie where Matt LeBlanc is the good guy and

0:38:22.840 --> 0:38:26.640
<v Speaker 2>Gary Oldman becomes a bug monster. Was she Penny, Yeah,

0:38:26.719 --> 0:38:28.840
<v Speaker 2>if that's the character she was the girl? Yeah?

0:38:29.000 --> 0:38:31.160
<v Speaker 1>Oh, I had a big crush on Penny as a kid,

0:38:31.440 --> 0:38:33.839
<v Speaker 1>because Penny was in the in the Silent Music too,

0:38:33.960 --> 0:38:37.000
<v Speaker 1>Angela cart right man speaking of like bad stuff that

0:38:37.040 --> 0:38:39.840
<v Speaker 1>we watched because we loved the women in it. I

0:38:39.880 --> 0:38:43.680
<v Speaker 1>watched Mikey Madison on SNL this weekend. Oh yeah, first

0:38:43.680 --> 0:38:46.399
<v Speaker 1>time I've watched the Asonal episode many many many years.

0:38:46.480 --> 0:38:49.080
<v Speaker 2>Oh, the one where Morgan Wallen like walked off because

0:38:49.080 --> 0:38:51.319
<v Speaker 2>all those big city liberals were making him feel bad

0:38:51.360 --> 0:38:52.960
<v Speaker 2>about being a drunk racist.

0:38:53.160 --> 0:38:54.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean I think he took one for the

0:38:54.719 --> 0:38:57.040
<v Speaker 1>team and saw that otherwise the headline was going to

0:38:57.120 --> 0:38:59.040
<v Speaker 1>be that it was just a bad episode and didn't

0:38:59.040 --> 0:39:00.719
<v Speaker 1>want my sweet Mikey Addison too.

0:39:00.960 --> 0:39:02.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yah, yeah, I'm sure he did that out of

0:39:02.840 --> 0:39:06.640
<v Speaker 2>the largest of his enlarge heart. Oh guy is such

0:39:06.640 --> 0:39:07.319
<v Speaker 2>a piece of shit.

0:39:07.880 --> 0:39:09.480
<v Speaker 1>Is see the guy who threw the chairs off the

0:39:09.920 --> 0:39:12.600
<v Speaker 1>off like the deck bar in Nashville and like almost

0:39:12.680 --> 0:39:13.200
<v Speaker 1>killed someone.

0:39:13.440 --> 0:39:15.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I'm pretty and he's like he was like

0:39:15.760 --> 0:39:19.799
<v Speaker 2>definitely on camera saying the saying the hard end. I

0:39:19.800 --> 0:39:21.799
<v Speaker 2>think he's just like he's like basically just like a

0:39:22.080 --> 0:39:31.480
<v Speaker 2>Southern like frat boy. Yeah, he's from Sneadville, Tennessee. What

0:39:31.480 --> 0:39:35.400
<v Speaker 2>do you think about that? Sneadville is not a character

0:39:35.480 --> 0:39:37.640
<v Speaker 2>from the lar Ax. Yeah, he got he got into

0:39:37.880 --> 0:39:43.719
<v Speaker 2>he he left Kid Rock's bar after breaking glasses in

0:39:43.800 --> 0:39:46.640
<v Speaker 2>it and started like just screaming at people on the street.

0:39:47.400 --> 0:39:50.640
<v Speaker 2>He was unmasked. He was like going around and unmasked

0:39:50.719 --> 0:39:56.160
<v Speaker 2>during the height of COVID in bars. Yes, and he

0:39:56.360 --> 0:39:59.680
<v Speaker 2>threw roof off of Eric Church another country. He just

0:39:59.719 --> 0:40:03.040
<v Speaker 2>goes in other country stars with better careers bars and

0:40:03.160 --> 0:40:05.839
<v Speaker 2>destroys their stuff. Yeah, he threw a chair, He threw

0:40:05.880 --> 0:40:08.240
<v Speaker 2>a chair off the roof. Oh yeah, he was out

0:40:08.320 --> 0:40:10.879
<v Speaker 2>and he was outside of his place in Nashville when

0:40:10.920 --> 0:40:16.160
<v Speaker 2>someone filmed him saying, take care of this piss puss

0:40:16.320 --> 0:40:19.399
<v Speaker 2>pussy ass mother and then drops the N word.

0:40:19.640 --> 0:40:21.680
<v Speaker 1>When you say his place, you mean his home or his.

0:40:21.920 --> 0:40:25.160
<v Speaker 2>Yea, his home. He and his label donated five hundred

0:40:25.200 --> 0:40:28.360
<v Speaker 2>thousand dollars to organizations including the National Museum of African Music,

0:40:28.480 --> 0:40:31.600
<v Speaker 2>Rock A Dance Racism, and the BNAC. So, I guess

0:40:31.640 --> 0:40:34.759
<v Speaker 2>we don't talk about that anymore. That guy sucks. Come

0:40:34.800 --> 0:40:36.799
<v Speaker 2>to my bar, buddy, I won't even wait for you

0:40:36.840 --> 0:40:39.919
<v Speaker 2>to get drunk. Drop your ass just for beauty.

0:40:39.960 --> 0:40:41.960
<v Speaker 1>Piece of call your bar God's country.

0:40:42.080 --> 0:40:45.279
<v Speaker 2>I should should not, well, every bar is God's country

0:40:45.000 --> 0:40:49.920
<v Speaker 2>to the faithful among us alcoholics.

0:40:51.840 --> 0:40:55.640
<v Speaker 1>Was I talking about Jordan Lazy Shaber Lacy Shabert, Yes, yes,

0:40:56.120 --> 0:40:58.000
<v Speaker 1>so I had no idea. She was the voice of

0:40:58.040 --> 0:41:00.480
<v Speaker 1>Meg for the entire first season, not just the pilot,

0:41:00.520 --> 0:41:03.160
<v Speaker 1>the entire first season. Actually no, she wasn't the voice

0:41:03.160 --> 0:41:06.640
<v Speaker 1>on the pilot. Seth MacFarlane's sister because he had no money,

0:41:06.960 --> 0:41:09.040
<v Speaker 1>got his sister to be the voice of Meg, and

0:41:09.040 --> 0:41:11.000
<v Speaker 1>then the rest of the first season was Lazy Saber

0:41:11.920 --> 0:41:15.400
<v Speaker 1>and then she ended up leaving after the first season,

0:41:15.400 --> 0:41:16.760
<v Speaker 1>but there was no drama involved.

0:41:16.880 --> 0:41:19.160
<v Speaker 2>I wanted there to be so much drama involved. Yeah,

0:41:19.160 --> 0:41:20.800
<v Speaker 2>it was literally just like she was like I was

0:41:20.840 --> 0:41:24.040
<v Speaker 2>a child and already on one TV show.

0:41:24.440 --> 0:41:26.640
<v Speaker 1>So she was on Party of five. I forgot about that.

0:41:26.840 --> 0:41:29.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, just she's like I needed to go to school. Uh.

0:41:29.360 --> 0:41:31.520
<v Speaker 1>Meilacunas had no such concerns.

0:41:32.040 --> 0:41:35.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, right, fifteen dude, was she like trafficked tier? I

0:41:35.880 --> 0:41:37.920
<v Speaker 2>don't know how she actually wound up on.

0:41:39.000 --> 0:41:43.120
<v Speaker 1>Is Aston Kutcher really into like anti human trafficking stuff?

0:41:43.239 --> 0:41:44.799
<v Speaker 2>Well yeah, I mean then there's also the fact that

0:41:44.840 --> 0:41:48.520
<v Speaker 2>he like definitely started courting her when she was like fifteen.

0:41:49.160 --> 0:41:51.439
<v Speaker 1>My favorite story about me Lacunas and I have one

0:41:52.160 --> 0:41:56.120
<v Speaker 1>was that she got was that she got her job

0:41:56.320 --> 0:41:59.640
<v Speaker 1>on that seventy show and the producers were like, are

0:41:59.680 --> 0:42:02.719
<v Speaker 1>you aeen? And she said, I'll be eighteen on my

0:42:02.800 --> 0:42:07.160
<v Speaker 1>birthday and she was fifteen, and she was like, yeah,

0:42:07.239 --> 0:42:10.600
<v Speaker 1>I will be eighteen on my birthday, not my next birthday.

0:42:10.719 --> 0:42:14.040
<v Speaker 2>But clever girl. That somehow worked.

0:42:14.400 --> 0:42:16.600
<v Speaker 1>Somebody must have checked. I don't know. It's a great story.

0:42:16.760 --> 0:42:18.080
<v Speaker 2>I love that print legend.

0:42:18.160 --> 0:42:20.279
<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, but yeah, she was already working on that

0:42:20.360 --> 0:42:23.000
<v Speaker 1>seventy show when Fox asked her to audition to play

0:42:23.000 --> 0:42:25.640
<v Speaker 1>the voice of Meg. I'm family guy. She was fifteen

0:42:25.719 --> 0:42:29.319
<v Speaker 1>years old, working on getting her driver's permit and I

0:42:29.480 --> 0:42:32.720
<v Speaker 1>never heard this, but still battling her native Russian accent

0:42:32.800 --> 0:42:35.440
<v Speaker 1>for certain pronunciations. That's crazy to me.

0:42:35.880 --> 0:42:37.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I don't know how they got around it as

0:42:37.840 --> 0:42:40.600
<v Speaker 2>much on that seventies show, but like there's a whole

0:42:40.600 --> 0:42:42.359
<v Speaker 2>bit where they were talking about her trying to get

0:42:42.360 --> 0:42:45.719
<v Speaker 2>the word electricity right because she kept saying electricity.

0:42:45.960 --> 0:42:49.040
<v Speaker 1>It is crazy to me. I know, like very well,

0:42:49.080 --> 0:42:51.680
<v Speaker 1>like maybe half a dozen people who moved here in

0:42:51.760 --> 0:42:54.800
<v Speaker 1>their like mid to eighteens from other countries and barely

0:42:54.840 --> 0:42:59.200
<v Speaker 1>spoke English, and now they speak flawlessly without an accent.

0:42:59.320 --> 0:43:00.440
<v Speaker 2>I don't underst standard.

0:43:00.440 --> 0:43:03.120
<v Speaker 1>And I've was trained in eight years of French, as

0:43:03.160 --> 0:43:06.279
<v Speaker 1>I think, were you, And it's like nope.

0:43:06.239 --> 0:43:10.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, but that was our fault, from picking the

0:43:10.320 --> 0:43:12.920
<v Speaker 2>lamest romance language. What are you gonna do with that?

0:43:13.080 --> 0:43:15.000
<v Speaker 2>What are you gonna take your French language? Go order

0:43:15.000 --> 0:43:17.960
<v Speaker 2>at a restaurant? French hate the French, hate you for

0:43:18.040 --> 0:43:25.040
<v Speaker 2>even trying. Yeah, like, what's the point As you meditate

0:43:25.080 --> 0:43:27.279
<v Speaker 2>on that, We'll be right back with more too much

0:43:27.320 --> 0:43:42.359
<v Speaker 2>information after these messages. What we're talking about again?

0:43:43.239 --> 0:43:44.040
<v Speaker 3>Uh?

0:43:44.040 --> 0:43:45.040
<v Speaker 1>Oh more voices?

0:43:45.680 --> 0:43:48.600
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah. So, rather than have McFarlane or Borstein imitate

0:43:48.719 --> 0:43:51.120
<v Speaker 2>voices for the volley of cutaway jokes that the show

0:43:51.160 --> 0:43:54.040
<v Speaker 2>is known for, production deliberately made it a bit to

0:43:54.160 --> 0:43:58.719
<v Speaker 2>track down actors from not just you know, regular anonymous

0:43:58.800 --> 0:44:02.120
<v Speaker 2>voiceover guys like the guy who played Roadblock on G I. Joe,

0:44:02.560 --> 0:44:06.280
<v Speaker 2>but also like George Went from Cheers. Director Dan Povenmeier

0:44:06.320 --> 0:44:08.040
<v Speaker 2>told I g N that when they first reached out,

0:44:08.040 --> 0:44:10.439
<v Speaker 2>George Went was like, why didn't you guys just pull

0:44:10.520 --> 0:44:13.920
<v Speaker 2>this from Cheers? Because it's it's exactly the lines I

0:44:13.960 --> 0:44:17.040
<v Speaker 2>said in the show. And he was like, I mean,

0:44:17.080 --> 0:44:19.319
<v Speaker 2>I'm happy to get paid. But they literally brought him

0:44:19.320 --> 0:44:22.960
<v Speaker 2>in to do it for just one line. I love

0:44:23.000 --> 0:44:26.799
<v Speaker 2>that too. McFarlane got another utility hitter in his old

0:44:26.840 --> 0:44:29.800
<v Speaker 2>Rizzie buddy Mike Henry, who he tapped for the show's pilot.

0:44:30.120 --> 0:44:34.000
<v Speaker 2>Henry voices Herbert, who's the old man in the walker. Oh,

0:44:35.920 --> 0:44:38.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna get you what I'm gonna get you? A

0:44:38.000 --> 0:44:42.880
<v Speaker 2>little Pigley ass. You get your ass back. Here's some bitch.

0:44:44.680 --> 0:44:46.279
<v Speaker 2>That's that's I think.

0:44:46.520 --> 0:44:48.760
<v Speaker 1>I think that's the one, right, I know, it's exactly

0:44:48.800 --> 0:44:49.120
<v Speaker 1>the one.

0:44:49.200 --> 0:44:52.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, get you a little pig ass back here, some bitch.

0:44:53.560 --> 0:44:55.520
<v Speaker 1>You know, the popsicles guy.

0:44:56.040 --> 0:44:58.399
<v Speaker 2>Jess is gonna go. Oh, Jess is gonna go out,

0:44:58.560 --> 0:45:05.359
<v Speaker 2>makes his peeps and poops. God. Well he does that,

0:45:05.520 --> 0:45:08.960
<v Speaker 2>and then he does Bruce the performance artist, who is like, oh, absolutely,

0:45:09.000 --> 0:45:11.000
<v Speaker 2>I can do Spider Man. I can pretend, like, you know,

0:45:11.080 --> 0:45:13.520
<v Speaker 2>go on a costume and shoot them with my web

0:45:13.600 --> 0:45:15.759
<v Speaker 2>fluid and pretends the kids are all just you know,

0:45:15.840 --> 0:45:17.680
<v Speaker 2>the little buds cut up in my web.

0:45:18.800 --> 0:45:22.600
<v Speaker 1>Isn't Vincent Price doing the like steamed salmon in the

0:45:22.640 --> 0:45:25.600
<v Speaker 1>dishwasher pit. It sounds like Vincent Price.

0:45:25.880 --> 0:45:28.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, a little bit, a little bit. And then he

0:45:28.520 --> 0:45:32.600
<v Speaker 2>also does until twenty twenty one, for reasons that should

0:45:32.600 --> 0:45:36.040
<v Speaker 2>now be obvious. He also voiced Cleveland. The show filled

0:45:36.040 --> 0:45:38.719
<v Speaker 2>out the rest of its voice talent with regular celebrities

0:45:38.760 --> 0:45:42.720
<v Speaker 2>and comics like Patrick Warburton is Peter's neighbor Joe, Jennifer

0:45:42.800 --> 0:45:46.040
<v Speaker 2>Tilly is Joe's wife Bonnie, and Norm McDonald as Death

0:45:46.120 --> 0:45:50.360
<v Speaker 2>replacing Adam Carolla, who sucks and then death replaced nor McDonald.

0:45:52.360 --> 0:45:55.040
<v Speaker 1>I know, I'm sorry. He is one of my favorite people.

0:45:55.520 --> 0:45:58.359
<v Speaker 1>I am so sorry. I'm sorry, but it was right there,

0:45:58.480 --> 0:45:59.839
<v Speaker 1>and you know what, he would have done it.

0:46:00.080 --> 0:46:02.279
<v Speaker 2>That's true, that's true, he would have. I just saw

0:46:02.320 --> 0:46:04.800
<v Speaker 2>this bit of him recently on talking to John Stewart

0:46:04.800 --> 0:46:09.000
<v Speaker 2>about the Crocodile Hunter, and John Stewart is like, please

0:46:09.040 --> 0:46:11.080
<v Speaker 2>don't make me laugh at this right now, man.

0:46:11.000 --> 0:46:13.239
<v Speaker 1>Please, because it was like the week it happened, right.

0:46:13.280 --> 0:46:15.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, He's like, how much it would have been sucked

0:46:15.760 --> 0:46:18.600
<v Speaker 2>to that it was a he was the Crocodile Hunter

0:46:18.640 --> 0:46:21.719
<v Speaker 2>and a sting ray got him, like at the Alligator

0:46:21.800 --> 0:46:25.040
<v Speaker 2>the Crocodile meeting the next week, and Carl's like, that

0:46:25.120 --> 0:46:28.520
<v Speaker 2>one should have been us. I almost had him shut up, Joe, No,

0:46:28.600 --> 0:46:34.720
<v Speaker 2>you didn't, is he? Maybe I'm wrong, but I feel

0:46:34.719 --> 0:46:35.520
<v Speaker 2>like a genius.

0:46:35.680 --> 0:46:39.320
<v Speaker 1>Well yes, I feel like I've never encountered a celebrity who,

0:46:39.840 --> 0:46:45.360
<v Speaker 1>instantaneously after their death was appreciated on such a vastly

0:46:45.480 --> 0:46:48.879
<v Speaker 1>higher level than he was when he was alive. Yeah,

0:46:49.160 --> 0:46:52.000
<v Speaker 1>nobody realized what a genius he was until like all

0:46:52.080 --> 0:46:53.920
<v Speaker 1>the compilation videos after he died.

0:46:54.160 --> 0:46:56.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think comedy fans did. I mean, he was

0:46:56.400 --> 0:46:59.480
<v Speaker 2>like big in the community and my absolute favorite. I

0:46:59.520 --> 0:47:02.600
<v Speaker 2>think it's him Corolla as death instead of Norm MacDonald.

0:47:02.640 --> 0:47:05.719
<v Speaker 2>But don't make me chase you. I got flow, Joe.

0:47:05.760 --> 0:47:08.719
<v Speaker 2>You don't think I can have flow Joe. You don't

0:47:08.719 --> 0:47:12.160
<v Speaker 2>think I can run you down and then immediately trips

0:47:12.160 --> 0:47:14.840
<v Speaker 2>and falls. But a number of other industry veterans with

0:47:14.880 --> 0:47:18.120
<v Speaker 2>some surprising resumes also helped to give voice to co Hog.

0:47:18.760 --> 0:47:21.359
<v Speaker 2>The town is named after kind of edible clam, which

0:47:21.360 --> 0:47:24.800
<v Speaker 2>appears right next to Quagmire in the dictionary, So I

0:47:24.840 --> 0:47:26.600
<v Speaker 2>think we know where he got the name for that character.

0:47:26.880 --> 0:47:29.520
<v Speaker 1>But he said edible clam, which is a really great

0:47:29.640 --> 0:47:32.279
<v Speaker 1>name for a band o ediple clam and.

0:47:32.400 --> 0:47:36.400
<v Speaker 2>Like a disorder. Yeah yeah. John G. Brannon, the creative

0:47:36.400 --> 0:47:40.600
<v Speaker 2>the Jerky Boys as mort Goldman and Horace the Bartender,

0:47:40.640 --> 0:47:43.760
<v Speaker 2>I think brought on solely because Seth Macfarlande liked Jerky Boys.

0:47:44.920 --> 0:47:47.360
<v Speaker 2>Carlos alas Raki, who I must remind everyone, is the

0:47:47.440 --> 0:47:49.799
<v Speaker 2>voice of Rocco from Rocco's Modern Life, The Talk about

0:47:49.840 --> 0:47:52.360
<v Speaker 2>Chihuahua and spy Row the Dragon. In addition to his

0:47:52.480 --> 0:47:55.080
<v Speaker 2>work on Reno Naima Wan. I think his first appearance

0:47:55.120 --> 0:48:00.239
<v Speaker 2>is as mister Weed, Peter's boss at the Factor also

0:48:00.520 --> 0:48:04.759
<v Speaker 2>does other voices. Laurie Allen, who's been playing Pearl Crabs

0:48:04.840 --> 0:48:08.880
<v Speaker 2>on SpongeBob for nearly thirty years, is also a utility

0:48:09.000 --> 0:48:12.120
<v Speaker 2>voice actor on Family Guy. Phil Lamar, who's one of

0:48:12.160 --> 0:48:14.719
<v Speaker 2>the most prolific voice actors in Hollywood. Nw Borstein from

0:48:14.760 --> 0:48:17.719
<v Speaker 2>Mad TV ems also the voice of Samurai Jack. This

0:48:17.880 --> 0:48:21.720
<v Speaker 2>is interesting, Butch Harmon, the creator of The Fairly Odd

0:48:21.800 --> 0:48:25.799
<v Speaker 2>Parents and Danny Phantom also came over to do vo

0:48:25.920 --> 0:48:30.200
<v Speaker 2>work randomly. I think that's like another animation insider connection,

0:48:30.360 --> 0:48:34.439
<v Speaker 2>because there's two connections to Fairly Odd Parents in Family Guy.

0:48:34.719 --> 0:48:37.960
<v Speaker 2>One is the show's creator, Butch Harmon, who also created

0:48:38.000 --> 0:48:40.480
<v Speaker 2>Danny Fantom, does voices on Family Guy. But then one

0:48:40.480 --> 0:48:43.319
<v Speaker 2>of the show's two composers. I don't know who they

0:48:43.360 --> 0:48:45.319
<v Speaker 2>have now, but when they first started and for a

0:48:45.320 --> 0:48:47.759
<v Speaker 2>long time, the guy's name is Ron Jones. He was

0:48:47.800 --> 0:48:50.600
<v Speaker 2>also on Fairly Godparents. So there's some kind of a

0:48:50.600 --> 0:48:52.920
<v Speaker 2>connection there, or at least McFarlane liked the show.

0:48:53.040 --> 0:48:56.120
<v Speaker 1>That would make sense. It kind of looks like twisted fifties.

0:48:56.440 --> 0:48:59.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Fun fact that I also just learned. Couldn't think

0:48:59.680 --> 0:49:03.520
<v Speaker 2>anywhere else to put this the recurring Portuguese fishermen characters.

0:49:03.680 --> 0:49:07.200
<v Speaker 2>There is actually a large Portuguese American fishing community located

0:49:07.239 --> 0:49:09.400
<v Speaker 2>in southeastern Massachusetts and Rhode Island.

0:49:09.640 --> 0:49:11.759
<v Speaker 1>You found this, but I'm stealing this because I love

0:49:11.800 --> 0:49:12.279
<v Speaker 1>it so much.

0:49:12.520 --> 0:49:13.640
<v Speaker 2>Please for IMDb.

0:49:14.120 --> 0:49:16.880
<v Speaker 1>A number of actors have made their last appearances on

0:49:17.000 --> 0:49:20.359
<v Speaker 1>Family Guy. These include Waylon Jennings in two thousand and one,

0:49:20.400 --> 0:49:22.960
<v Speaker 1>All he's not really an actor, Carol Channing in two

0:49:23.000 --> 0:49:26.440
<v Speaker 1>thousand and six. She didn't die until like ten years later.

0:49:26.560 --> 0:49:26.759
<v Speaker 2>Too.

0:49:27.120 --> 0:49:29.719
<v Speaker 1>Well, she was like super old, was like one hundred. Yeah,

0:49:29.880 --> 0:49:32.840
<v Speaker 1>Roy Scheider from Jaws and all that Jazz and my

0:49:32.880 --> 0:49:35.640
<v Speaker 1>favorite Bob Fossei movies. And William Woodson in two thousand

0:49:35.680 --> 0:49:38.560
<v Speaker 1>and nine. Robert Lojia, who I totally.

0:49:38.200 --> 0:49:41.920
<v Speaker 2>Forgot, was dead in twenty thirteen. This is a nasty

0:49:41.960 --> 0:49:43.000
<v Speaker 2>way for me to find out.

0:49:43.440 --> 0:49:47.400
<v Speaker 1>Lauren Baccall and Dennis Farina in twenty fourteen, and Frank

0:49:47.400 --> 0:49:50.799
<v Speaker 1>Sinatra Junior in twenty sixteen. I can't believe he was

0:49:50.840 --> 0:49:54.399
<v Speaker 1>on on Carrie Fisher in twenty seven Yeah, we.

0:49:54.320 --> 0:49:57.880
<v Speaker 2>Didn't really talk about the Star Wars episodes, but obviously

0:49:57.920 --> 0:50:00.520
<v Speaker 2>that's its own unique niche in the Family Guy universe,

0:50:00.960 --> 0:50:03.080
<v Speaker 2>which is funny. The coolest thing about them is that

0:50:03.080 --> 0:50:06.080
<v Speaker 2>they were completely above board, Like they got permission from

0:50:06.280 --> 0:50:09.279
<v Speaker 2>Lucasfilm to do them, but then Seth MacFarlane and like

0:50:09.320 --> 0:50:12.839
<v Speaker 2>some of those showrunners, went up to Skywalker Ranch to

0:50:12.880 --> 0:50:16.040
<v Speaker 2>screen them for George Lucas and apparently he found them hilarious,

0:50:16.239 --> 0:50:17.319
<v Speaker 2>So I think.

0:50:17.280 --> 0:50:19.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he was a huge fan and he basically gave

0:50:19.520 --> 0:50:22.000
<v Speaker 1>him carte blanche to do whatever they wanted indefinitely.

0:50:22.520 --> 0:50:24.480
<v Speaker 2>Hell yeah, Hell yeah.

0:50:24.640 --> 0:50:27.640
<v Speaker 1>Disney owns Star Wars now and Disney owns twentieth Century Fox,

0:50:27.680 --> 0:50:29.400
<v Speaker 1>So I guess, yeah.

0:50:29.560 --> 0:50:32.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I guess that parody will never see the light

0:50:32.640 --> 0:50:34.200
<v Speaker 2>of day, is what we guess.

0:50:36.000 --> 0:50:41.600
<v Speaker 1>Oh, here we go, we cannot speaking of beloved properties, Yeah.

0:50:41.480 --> 0:50:46.440
<v Speaker 2>Who could forget Batman himself Adam West playing Adam West,

0:50:46.840 --> 0:50:50.719
<v Speaker 2>the mayor of co Hog. McFarlane met West when he

0:50:50.800 --> 0:50:53.520
<v Speaker 2>also played himself on an episode of Johnny Bravo that

0:50:53.640 --> 0:50:57.120
<v Speaker 2>McFarlane written, I think he was a mayor, Yes he

0:50:57.200 --> 0:51:01.080
<v Speaker 2>was also Yeah, McFarland told the club, I think he

0:51:01.200 --> 0:51:02.960
<v Speaker 2>likes playing into what he's known for, even on a

0:51:02.960 --> 0:51:05.520
<v Speaker 2>casual basis. He's a really fun guy to work with

0:51:05.560 --> 0:51:08.000
<v Speaker 2>and genuinely gets comedy. It's not the type of situation

0:51:08.040 --> 0:51:10.280
<v Speaker 2>where you just bring someone in to make fun of themselves.

0:51:10.600 --> 0:51:13.120
<v Speaker 2>The character we've created is kind of this alternate universe

0:51:13.200 --> 0:51:15.120
<v Speaker 2>Adam West, where he's the mayor of this town, and

0:51:15.160 --> 0:51:18.239
<v Speaker 2>we deliberately have not made any references to Batman because

0:51:18.239 --> 0:51:21.000
<v Speaker 2>we like keeping that separate. It's the obvious place to go.

0:51:21.760 --> 0:51:24.080
<v Speaker 2>The show did retire the character when West died in

0:51:24.120 --> 0:51:24.960
<v Speaker 2>twenty seventeen.

0:51:25.560 --> 0:51:27.960
<v Speaker 1>That was one of my favorite bits of all those

0:51:28.000 --> 0:51:30.399
<v Speaker 1>early seasons of Family Guy. I mean the bathroom bit

0:51:30.440 --> 0:51:33.120
<v Speaker 1>where he's like slinking through the hallway and he sees

0:51:33.160 --> 0:51:36.520
<v Speaker 1>the three bathrooms men women, Adam West.

0:51:36.840 --> 0:51:38.919
<v Speaker 2>He starts to go in the Anam West. No, No,

0:51:39.960 --> 0:51:45.520
<v Speaker 2>we'll be expats five that back. It's so good. Yeah.

0:51:45.560 --> 0:51:48.919
<v Speaker 2>And then it's funny too because they initially had named

0:51:48.960 --> 0:51:51.719
<v Speaker 2>the high school in the show James Woods High, and

0:51:51.719 --> 0:51:54.960
<v Speaker 2>then James Woods out of himself as like a Trump freak,

0:51:55.000 --> 0:51:57.160
<v Speaker 2>and they renamed it Adam West High.

0:51:57.680 --> 0:52:01.719
<v Speaker 1>So I didn't realize that, and James Woods was like on.

0:52:01.520 --> 0:52:04.200
<v Speaker 2>The show, right, Yeah, he was in before that too. Yeah,

0:52:04.280 --> 0:52:06.040
<v Speaker 2>And I think they just cut ties with him. I

0:52:06.040 --> 0:52:08.400
<v Speaker 2>think like Seth, you know, Seth MacFarland is a pretty

0:52:08.440 --> 0:52:13.239
<v Speaker 2>like you know, Northeast middle light blue Democrat, so a

0:52:13.239 --> 0:52:15.840
<v Speaker 2>lot of his like Brian, Like Brian driving around in

0:52:15.880 --> 0:52:18.560
<v Speaker 2>a preas with like a Hillary Clinton bumper sticker on.

0:52:18.680 --> 0:52:20.600
<v Speaker 2>It was like a bit of a self own I think.

0:52:20.800 --> 0:52:24.759
<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, writer and co executive producer Steve Callahan told

0:52:24.840 --> 0:52:28.040
<v Speaker 1>IGN in twenty twelve, for the first couple months of

0:52:28.200 --> 0:52:30.920
<v Speaker 1>production on Family Guy, we didn't have offices and we

0:52:30.920 --> 0:52:33.000
<v Speaker 1>were crammed into one room that was sort of being

0:52:33.080 --> 0:52:35.240
<v Speaker 1>borrowed from King of the Hill, who.

0:52:35.160 --> 0:52:36.839
<v Speaker 2>Hated them, who hated them.

0:52:37.200 --> 0:52:39.560
<v Speaker 1>It was like we were caged animals in there because

0:52:39.600 --> 0:52:41.799
<v Speaker 1>we would spend ten twelve hours a day in this

0:52:41.920 --> 0:52:45.120
<v Speaker 1>one room and with a cast in hand. Twenty four

0:52:45.200 --> 0:52:50.480
<v Speaker 1>year old Seth MacFarland became television's youngest executive producer probably

0:52:50.560 --> 0:52:54.359
<v Speaker 1>still certainly, Yeah, I don't think young people are getting

0:52:54.360 --> 0:52:57.520
<v Speaker 1>in a network TV now. And the first episode of

0:52:57.560 --> 0:53:01.879
<v Speaker 1>Family Guy aired on January thirty, first, ninety nine, after.

0:53:01.600 --> 0:53:05.040
<v Speaker 2>The Super Bowl. Am I remembering that right? Yes? I

0:53:05.040 --> 0:53:07.560
<v Speaker 2>I remember watching that. Yeah, Yeah, that's why it had

0:53:07.600 --> 0:53:10.239
<v Speaker 2>such a crazy share out of the gate. It did

0:53:10.280 --> 0:53:11.480
<v Speaker 2>really well for a little while.

0:53:11.880 --> 0:53:15.640
<v Speaker 1>Twenty two million or something, which is hysterical. I think

0:53:15.680 --> 0:53:18.240
<v Speaker 1>got to like number thirty three on Nielsen's that week,

0:53:18.680 --> 0:53:21.319
<v Speaker 1>which and for twenty two million these days is like

0:53:21.600 --> 0:53:27.920
<v Speaker 1>the sum total of people watching network. Yes, these early

0:53:27.920 --> 0:53:30.839
<v Speaker 1>Family Guy episodes went with dramatic titles like Death Has

0:53:30.880 --> 0:53:33.920
<v Speaker 1>a Shadow and Mind Over Murder, and these were tributes

0:53:33.920 --> 0:53:37.040
<v Speaker 1>to McFarland's love of radio thrillers from the nineteen thirties

0:53:37.080 --> 0:53:41.000
<v Speaker 1>and forties. Nerd though, in his own words, it got

0:53:41.040 --> 0:53:43.720
<v Speaker 1>confusing and stopped being funny, so we stopped.

0:53:45.160 --> 0:53:46.360
<v Speaker 2>I appreciate the candor.

0:53:46.600 --> 0:53:49.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think. I also read that he wanted every

0:53:49.239 --> 0:53:52.080
<v Speaker 1>episode to touch on death in some way.

0:53:52.080 --> 0:53:55.920
<v Speaker 2>Interesting I did, But good for him. Everything is touched

0:53:55.920 --> 0:53:58.239
<v Speaker 2>by death, and you know it's coming for all of us.

0:53:58.239 --> 0:53:59.920
<v Speaker 2>And as soon as you get right with that, soon

0:54:00.160 --> 0:54:04.319
<v Speaker 2>you can move on with your actualization whatever that might be.

0:54:04.680 --> 0:54:06.279
<v Speaker 2>That was just a PSA that has nothing to do

0:54:06.320 --> 0:54:06.719
<v Speaker 2>with the show.

0:54:06.760 --> 0:54:09.440
<v Speaker 1>Well, higel, moving on from death, let's talk about one

0:54:09.480 --> 0:54:10.880
<v Speaker 1>of your other great loves.

0:54:11.640 --> 0:54:14.160
<v Speaker 2>One thing that said Family Guy apart was the depth

0:54:14.200 --> 0:54:17.880
<v Speaker 2>of its music. Yes, each episode uses a fifty to

0:54:18.000 --> 0:54:20.360
<v Speaker 2>ninety piece orchestra. That's insane.

0:54:20.800 --> 0:54:21.080
<v Speaker 1>Start.

0:54:21.120 --> 0:54:23.000
<v Speaker 2>There were two guys behind that. One of them is

0:54:23.040 --> 0:54:26.279
<v Speaker 2>Walter Murphy. And unless you already know this, not in

0:54:26.320 --> 0:54:29.279
<v Speaker 2>a thousand years would you be able to name the

0:54:29.320 --> 0:54:30.960
<v Speaker 2>one hit wonder He wrote.

0:54:30.960 --> 0:54:35.680
<v Speaker 1>I actually knew this, but I will yeah, okay, flex God,

0:54:36.080 --> 0:54:37.160
<v Speaker 1>sit down, be humble.

0:54:39.760 --> 0:54:43.120
<v Speaker 2>Drop the Kendrick sample in there. He wrote a fifth

0:54:43.120 --> 0:54:46.880
<v Speaker 2>of Beethoven, which is that really annoying thing that comes

0:54:46.880 --> 0:54:49.920
<v Speaker 2>on AM radio on long drives that is like you're like,

0:54:50.080 --> 0:54:54.160
<v Speaker 2>why are there like hats and like octave bass under

0:54:54.239 --> 0:55:25.160
<v Speaker 2>this Beethoven thing? Walter and Murphy Baby That's Why became

0:55:25.200 --> 0:55:27.359
<v Speaker 2>a huge hit as a single in nineteen seventy six,

0:55:27.560 --> 0:55:30.520
<v Speaker 2>and was subsequently featured on the Saturday Night Fever soundtrack

0:55:30.560 --> 0:55:35.040
<v Speaker 2>the following year, which itself was a giant hit. Murphy

0:55:35.080 --> 0:55:38.479
<v Speaker 2>repeatedly tried to cash in on that formula. He made

0:55:38.480 --> 0:55:42.400
<v Speaker 2>a showed more of disco fied classical. Oh yeah. Go

0:55:42.480 --> 0:55:45.120
<v Speaker 2>to his Wikipedia page. The man did not know actually

0:55:45.160 --> 0:55:45.960
<v Speaker 2>when to let it go.

0:55:46.480 --> 0:55:47.360
<v Speaker 1>They were good.

0:55:48.280 --> 0:55:50.600
<v Speaker 2>I did not listen to them. It's like musical theater,

0:55:50.719 --> 0:55:52.960
<v Speaker 2>Like I like disco and I like classical music. When

0:55:53.000 --> 0:55:55.520
<v Speaker 2>you push the two of them together, they both become terrible.

0:55:56.200 --> 0:55:58.920
<v Speaker 2>Murphy was approached by McFarlane, who had the concept for

0:55:58.960 --> 0:56:01.680
<v Speaker 2>the Family Guy opening sequins and its lyrics. He said,

0:56:01.719 --> 0:56:03.960
<v Speaker 2>we're going to start with this all in the family reference,

0:56:04.280 --> 0:56:06.160
<v Speaker 2>and then I wanted to cut away to a big,

0:56:06.280 --> 0:56:09.960
<v Speaker 2>like show tune style Broadway number, and I have the lyrics,

0:56:10.440 --> 0:56:13.200
<v Speaker 2>so I think it's funny. Murphy in an interview said

0:56:13.239 --> 0:56:15.960
<v Speaker 2>something like I sent my first version to him and

0:56:16.040 --> 0:56:20.680
<v Speaker 2>he said, make it swing more, so I did, uh,

0:56:21.040 --> 0:56:23.960
<v Speaker 2>And then he recorded the voice actors and himself doing everything.

0:56:24.160 --> 0:56:26.440
<v Speaker 1>He does a great version of You Make Me Feel

0:56:26.480 --> 0:56:30.200
<v Speaker 1>So Young The Sanatcha song, Mmm like as Stewie. It's

0:56:30.280 --> 0:56:30.799
<v Speaker 1>really good.

0:56:32.160 --> 0:56:34.240
<v Speaker 2>He did say it was easier to sing in character

0:56:34.840 --> 0:56:37.520
<v Speaker 2>because it like it makes you less self conscious.

0:56:37.760 --> 0:56:39.960
<v Speaker 1>That was how I had to learn to sing. I

0:56:40.000 --> 0:56:42.840
<v Speaker 1>had to when I wanted to do the theatrical productions

0:56:42.840 --> 0:56:45.640
<v Speaker 1>in high school and I specifically said I don't want

0:56:45.680 --> 0:56:47.920
<v Speaker 1>to sing, but I would like to be in them,

0:56:47.960 --> 0:56:49.600
<v Speaker 1>and they said, well, too bad. You have to. If

0:56:49.600 --> 0:56:51.480
<v Speaker 1>you want audition, you have to sing as part of

0:56:51.520 --> 0:56:54.560
<v Speaker 1>the audition. And I desperately wanted to be involved because

0:56:54.680 --> 0:56:56.719
<v Speaker 1>all the girls I liked were involved, and that was

0:56:56.800 --> 0:56:58.960
<v Speaker 1>of course knows what you did, yeah, And so I

0:56:59.320 --> 0:57:01.520
<v Speaker 1>was so sky. I come from a long line of

0:57:01.680 --> 0:57:05.879
<v Speaker 1>non dancers and may we were afraid of singing, like

0:57:06.080 --> 0:57:09.000
<v Speaker 1>It's like an actual like phobia of my father's.

0:57:08.960 --> 0:57:10.880
<v Speaker 2>And I sort of inherited it.

0:57:10.920 --> 0:57:13.920
<v Speaker 1>And I was so nervous that I listened to a

0:57:14.040 --> 0:57:16.240
<v Speaker 1>bunch of probably like was seth MacFarland did a bunch

0:57:16.280 --> 0:57:20.600
<v Speaker 1>of like fifties and sixties krooners, like Bobby Darren and

0:57:21.520 --> 0:57:23.400
<v Speaker 1>Harry Nielsen album where we did a bunch of like

0:57:23.400 --> 0:57:25.800
<v Speaker 1>the Great American songbook stuff, And so I just listened

0:57:25.840 --> 0:57:28.720
<v Speaker 1>to all that, and then I just imitated them at

0:57:28.760 --> 0:57:31.080
<v Speaker 1>the audition, and I did so well that I kept

0:57:31.080 --> 0:57:32.960
<v Speaker 1>getting singing parts for the rest of my high school

0:57:32.960 --> 0:57:35.720
<v Speaker 1>experience and would spend the pre show time in the

0:57:35.760 --> 0:57:38.640
<v Speaker 1>bathroom throwing up because I was so nervous. So I

0:57:38.720 --> 0:57:40.400
<v Speaker 1>kind of backfired, and I don't think I did it

0:57:40.480 --> 0:57:43.320
<v Speaker 1>anyone in the drama club no, So all in all

0:57:43.400 --> 0:57:44.200
<v Speaker 1>was a massive fail.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a pretty Lore Jordan Lore heavy episode. Already,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm liking this. We'll see if we can get you

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<v Speaker 2>down to like a traumatic memory from grade school by

0:57:53.160 --> 0:57:58.800
<v Speaker 2>the time, we're done. Okay. The biggest problem with recording

0:57:58.840 --> 0:58:01.080
<v Speaker 2>the initial theme song was that Fox hadn't drafted a

0:58:01.080 --> 0:58:03.960
<v Speaker 2>budget yet for the show's music, so they did it

0:58:04.000 --> 0:58:06.440
<v Speaker 2>with one trumpet player playing all the trumpet parts, the

0:58:06.440 --> 0:58:09.040
<v Speaker 2>trombone player and the sax player, and then Murphy played

0:58:09.080 --> 0:58:12.160
<v Speaker 2>everything else. We got some background singers to come in

0:58:12.280 --> 0:58:14.120
<v Speaker 2>and sing, and then I gave that to Seth and

0:58:14.160 --> 0:58:17.720
<v Speaker 2>he recorded the rest of it. McFarland toldt NPR. We

0:58:17.760 --> 0:58:19.720
<v Speaker 2>had to fight pretty hard to do a theme. It's

0:58:19.760 --> 0:58:21.720
<v Speaker 2>a tradition that's kind of going away, and part of

0:58:21.720 --> 0:58:23.400
<v Speaker 2>that is the networks are worried that people don't want

0:58:23.440 --> 0:58:25.080
<v Speaker 2>to sit through the same thing week after week, and

0:58:25.120 --> 0:58:28.000
<v Speaker 2>so shows are being discouraged from writing themes once they

0:58:28.040 --> 0:58:30.360
<v Speaker 2>had more money. Murphy offered to re record this song,

0:58:30.440 --> 0:58:33.240
<v Speaker 2>but McFarlane said it was perfect as it was. However,

0:58:33.400 --> 0:58:35.800
<v Speaker 2>he did re record Stewie's line in the song in

0:58:35.880 --> 0:58:38.440
<v Speaker 2>later seasons because too many people thought the character was

0:58:38.480 --> 0:58:44.600
<v Speaker 2>saying ef and cry instead of laugh and cry. Nicely done,

0:58:45.000 --> 0:58:46.760
<v Speaker 2>and yes, of course the opening is all in the

0:58:46.760 --> 0:58:51.240
<v Speaker 2>Family of reference an homage, said McFarland. Fucking loved All

0:58:51.280 --> 0:58:53.040
<v Speaker 2>in the Family as well he should. It's one of

0:58:53.080 --> 0:58:56.200
<v Speaker 2>the best sitcoms ever made. Yes. Either way, Murphy has

0:58:56.240 --> 0:58:59.560
<v Speaker 2>scored three hundred and sixty six episodes of the show,

0:59:00.080 --> 0:59:04.720
<v Speaker 2>so it's just approaching four hundred and fifty, so aload

0:59:04.760 --> 0:59:08.640
<v Speaker 2>of them, as well as mcfarlan's hit surprise movie Ted

0:59:09.000 --> 0:59:14.280
<v Speaker 2>and for some reason, Agent Cody Banks. Another Family Guy composer,

0:59:14.360 --> 0:59:16.800
<v Speaker 2>Ron Jones we mentioned at the top, came over from

0:59:17.080 --> 0:59:20.080
<v Speaker 2>Fairly Odd Parents scored the show for its first twelve seasons.

0:59:20.520 --> 0:59:24.280
<v Speaker 2>Jones was mentored by Leilo Friggin Schiffrin while he was

0:59:24.320 --> 0:59:27.400
<v Speaker 2>a student, and also graduated directly into a job for

0:59:27.400 --> 0:59:30.720
<v Speaker 2>Hannah Barbera, where he wrote the Smurfs theme for them.

0:59:31.280 --> 0:59:34.080
<v Speaker 2>He also wrote Ductales for Disney, which is like an

0:59:34.160 --> 0:59:39.520
<v Speaker 2>all time bang banger, and hilariously was the composer for

0:59:39.600 --> 0:59:42.560
<v Speaker 2>the first four seasons of Star Trek the Next Generation.

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<v Speaker 1>One thing that immediately dogged Family Guy was the Simpsons

0:59:47.200 --> 0:59:50.760
<v Speaker 1>comparisons on their faces. Both shows are about working class,

0:59:50.840 --> 0:59:53.760
<v Speaker 1>nuclear families with the same structure, though in Family Guy

0:59:53.920 --> 0:59:56.880
<v Speaker 1>the dog talks. Are there any characters that speak in

0:59:57.000 --> 0:59:59.160
<v Speaker 1>Simpsons that shouldn't? I think I can think of.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I don't think so, but what I was going

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<v Speaker 2>to say is important to note. Also, these shows ripped

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<v Speaker 2>off the Honeymooners, right well every sitcom, yes exactly, but

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<v Speaker 2>like yeah, but like a borish like you know, a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of sitcoms didn't rip off Witched, where the husband

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<v Speaker 2>was like well adjusted and handsome. They all went for

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<v Speaker 2>the slovenly guy. That's true from the er slob himself.

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<v Speaker 2>Jackie Gleason, Baby.

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<v Speaker 1>Is he a good guy? I could imagine we were

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<v Speaker 1>a new friend of the pod who put us straight

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<v Speaker 1>about how Jack Benny, who I thought was a Capitol

1:00:37.720 --> 1:00:41.000
<v Speaker 1>B couple g bad guy along the same lines as

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<v Speaker 1>Bing Crosby and Bob Hope. He let us know that

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<v Speaker 1>Jack Benny was one of the nicest guys in Hollywood,

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<v Speaker 1>And so I retract my statement. I bet you he

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<v Speaker 1>would know about Jackie Gleason. I would imagine he would

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<v Speaker 1>be a tough guy who uh Gleason.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, it's not great. He had an affair with

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<v Speaker 2>us secretary.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that's far for the chorus.

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<v Speaker 2>He had multiple affairs.

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<v Speaker 1>They were still in the acceptable range for mid century

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<v Speaker 1>celebrity scumbaggery.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, I don't know if he ever like

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<v Speaker 2>beat up a guy or was racist, but you know

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<v Speaker 2>he was he Philandered.

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<v Speaker 1>I had a story that Tony Orlando told me he

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<v Speaker 1>was on one of the shows that I work on.

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<v Speaker 2>Of Tony Orlando and Dawn.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, this is a story of SETH mcfarli would love.

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<v Speaker 1>When Tony Orlando got his network TV show in the seventies,

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<v Speaker 1>the first guest that they were able to get was

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<v Speaker 1>Jackie Gleeson, which is a huge get because he was,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, a huge star and this was this new singer,

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<v Speaker 1>had like two hits and now he's the sort of

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<v Speaker 1>untried TV guy. To get like one of the biggest

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<v Speaker 1>figures in TV history to come on, it was phenomenal.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess jack Quite was quite exactly. It was credit coup.

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<v Speaker 1>And then Jackie came in and was just kind of

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<v Speaker 1>a nightmare. And then he and then he said some

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<v Speaker 1>not nice things to Tony's backing singers known as Dawn,

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<v Speaker 1>who were both people of color, and oh.

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<v Speaker 2>So he was racist, that was the gist of it.

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<v Speaker 1>And Tony told him off and basically like yelled at

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<v Speaker 1>him and told him get off a set.

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<v Speaker 2>And then good for Tony Orlando.

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<v Speaker 1>Jackie was like chilling out in his dressing room trying

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<v Speaker 1>to calm down. Then he sent word out that he

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to speak to Tony, and Tony's going in there, thinking,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my god, this guy's gonna shank me. And he

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<v Speaker 1>goes in and Jackie apologized that was wrong, and then

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<v Speaker 1>they became friendly. And then from that point onward, after

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<v Speaker 1>every episode of the Tony Orlando Show, Jackie would call

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<v Speaker 1>him and give him affectionate notes and they became friends.

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<v Speaker 2>That's cute. Yeah, I like that. Yeah, he learned not

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<v Speaker 2>to be racist in front of a person of color.

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<v Speaker 2>Is Tony Orlando a person of color? Can I say that?

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<v Speaker 1>I think he's He's a Greek father and a Puerto

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<v Speaker 1>Rican mother.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that counts. We'll run him into the constitution. Oh well,

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<v Speaker 2>hell are we?

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<v Speaker 1>I have no idea where we are now to start

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<v Speaker 1>a new section.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh we haven't even gotten there yet. Oh oh okay,

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<v Speaker 2>Simpson's a family guy.

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<v Speaker 1>That was it, okay. McFarlane has always been opened about

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<v Speaker 1>his love for the Simpson telling ign I love the Simpsons.

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<v Speaker 1>I could have transitioned that better. Sorry, And it sort

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<v Speaker 1>of laid the groundwork, sort of paved the way for

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<v Speaker 1>subsequent animated shows, they sort of established the new method

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<v Speaker 1>of doing primetime animation, but unfortunately this feeling wasn't mutual.

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<v Speaker 2>As McFarland explained to The.

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<v Speaker 1>Av Club in two thousand and five, apparently the Simpsons

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<v Speaker 1>team hate our guts.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure why I've.

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<v Speaker 1>Said this before, but that show at its best is

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<v Speaker 1>up there with the best episodes all in the Family,

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<v Speaker 1>Mary Tyler Moore and Dick Van Dyke. I was reading

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<v Speaker 1>a quote from one of the writers from a lecture

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<v Speaker 1>that he gave, and he said, quote, the Simpsons staff

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<v Speaker 1>hates Family Guy for a sath. That's got a sting.

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<v Speaker 2>Although they he and Matt Groening did like a panel

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<v Speaker 2>interview many years later where they were like talking about it.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's kind of funny because I don't even think

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<v Speaker 2>Matt Graining was involved in the writing at this point.

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<v Speaker 1>No, yeah, no. One of the earliest examples of this

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<v Speaker 1>beef that you can find is from Simpsons writer and

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<v Speaker 1>show owner Al Jean in a two thousand and three interview.

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't a big fan of Family Guys, he said,

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<v Speaker 1>to be honest, I thought it was a little too

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<v Speaker 1>derivative of The Simpsons, to the point where I would

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<v Speaker 1>see jokes we did on The Simpsons, or a critic

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<v Speaker 1>on Family Guy, they should be more original. Rich Appell,

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<v Speaker 1>who was a writer and became a showrunner on King

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<v Speaker 1>of the Hill before becoming a showrunner on Family Guy,

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<v Speaker 1>was in the writer's room for The Simpsons when it

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<v Speaker 1>was canceled. I remember being a writer.

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<v Speaker 2>Because The Simpsons has never been canceled.

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<v Speaker 1>It never will be. Yeah, it will be limping through

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<v Speaker 1>until the asteroid comes. I remember being a writer at

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<v Speaker 1>the Simpsons when the Family Guy was canceled, and then

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<v Speaker 1>I thought, good riddance. He told the La Times in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty four, there's only so much nipping at your

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<v Speaker 1>heels you can really indulge. Writer Mike Rice wrote in

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<v Speaker 1>the twenty eighteen book Springfield Confidential that quote. When Family

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<v Speaker 1>Guy debuted ten years into the Simpsons run, our younger

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<v Speaker 1>writers were incensed. It's just vulgar, it moves too fast,

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<v Speaker 1>it's nothing but pop culture references. I had to laugh.

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<v Speaker 1>These are all the things people said about The Simpsons

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<v Speaker 1>when it began. Staff would complain endlessly about Family Guy.

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<v Speaker 1>He continued managing the whole two completely contradictory opinions. One,

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<v Speaker 1>it's exactly like our show. And two they do things

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<v Speaker 1>we'd never do. The latter is where the show's charm lies.

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<v Speaker 1>He continues, I'm a jaded old TV writer, but that

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<v Speaker 1>show somehow manages to shock me on a weekly basis.

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<v Speaker 1>That might be We're touching on this at the beginning

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<v Speaker 1>of the episode after watching Family Guy, the Simpsons never

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<v Speaker 1>really shocked me again, I think that maybe it was part.

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<v Speaker 2>No, But I mean, I think that a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>people are missing the the very like the important cultural

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<v Speaker 2>context that like, when The Simpsons first came out, it

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<v Speaker 2>was a moral outrage. I mean the fact that Bart said,

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<v Speaker 2>like what the hell, and like eat my shorts, told

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<v Speaker 2>his dad to eat my shorts. Like people were fully

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<v Speaker 2>like the Reagan nights that were, you know, still breathing,

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<v Speaker 2>were like fully in a moral panic about this. And

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<v Speaker 2>so it is funny that he says it's the younger

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<v Speaker 2>writers who came in about it, because yeah, they probably

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<v Speaker 2>felt like it was beneath them, but they hadn't been

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<v Speaker 2>there when that show was the punching bag.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, was it Barbara Bush or Nancy Reagan who

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<v Speaker 1>called out Marge Simpson in a speech and then somebody

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<v Speaker 1>from the Simpsons Show wrote a letter as Marge that

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<v Speaker 1>was like very sweet, like.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I I don't know anything about that. Oh

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<v Speaker 2>oh wait a minute, I need to pull this out.

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<v Speaker 2>I know Barbara Bush. I think Barbara Bush had talked

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<v Speaker 2>a lot about the bar Was Barbara Bush? Yeah, she

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<v Speaker 2>talked a lot about the Simpsons. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a note to Barbara Bush obstensively from Marge Simpson.

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<v Speaker 1>Dear first lady, I recently read your criticism of my family.

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<v Speaker 2>I was deeply hurt. Heaven. Those were far from.

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<v Speaker 1>Perfect, and, if truth be known, maybe just a wee

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<v Speaker 1>bit short of normal. But as doctor SEUs says, a

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<v Speaker 1>person is a person. I try to teach my children Bart,

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<v Speaker 1>Lisa and even little Maggie always to give somebody the

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<v Speaker 1>benefit of the doubt and not talk badly about them,

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<v Speaker 1>even if they're rich. It's hard to get them to

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<v Speaker 1>understand this advice when the very first lady in the

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<v Speaker 1>country falls us not only dumb, but quote the dumbest

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<v Speaker 1>thing she ever said. All, ma'am, if we're the dumbest

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<v Speaker 1>thing you ever saw, Washington, must be a good deal

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<v Speaker 1>different than what they teach.

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<v Speaker 2>Me at Current Events group at the church.

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<v Speaker 1>I always believed in my heart that we had a

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<v Speaker 1>great deal in common, each of us living our lives

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<v Speaker 1>to serve an exceptional man. I hope there is some

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<v Speaker 1>way out of this controversy. I thought perhaps it would

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<v Speaker 1>be a good start to just speak my mind with

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<v Speaker 1>great respect.

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<v Speaker 2>Marge Simpson that manages like a shocking number of like

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<v Speaker 2>very subtle jabs. Yes, Starbush, I mean again.

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<v Speaker 1>All those Simpsons writers are all Harvard educated, Like, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Barbara Bush wrote back, Dear Marge, how kind of you

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<v Speaker 1>to write, I'm glad you spoke your mind thought dot dot.

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<v Speaker 2>I foolishly didn't know you had one.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm looking at a picture of you depicted on a

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<v Speaker 1>plastic cup with your blue hair filled with pink birds

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<v Speaker 1>peeking out all over. Evidently you and your charming family Lisa, Homer,

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<v Speaker 1>Bart and Maggie are camping out. It is a nice

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<v Speaker 1>family scene. Clearly you're setting a good example for the

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<v Speaker 1>rest of the country. Please forgive a loose tongue warmly,

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<v Speaker 1>Barbara Bush.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's certainly one of the stupid things to

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<v Speaker 2>ever come out of the White House.

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<v Speaker 1>But oh so, ps Homer looks like a handsome fella.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh god, well, and minus five for making us think

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<v Speaker 1>of Barbara Bush's tongue.

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<v Speaker 2>Also, yeah, man, people were stupid back then. Just this

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<v Speaker 2>was the bread and circuses that kept us from focusing

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<v Speaker 2>on you know, all the all the like, the encroachment

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<v Speaker 2>of neoliberal economy that we were about to wreck our country.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is where you fade me out. As you

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<v Speaker 2>mentioned earlier. Matt Groening, the creator of The Simpsons, did.

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<v Speaker 1>A panel interview alongside Seth MacFarland in a twenty fourteen

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<v Speaker 1>issue of Entertainment Weekly. In this interview, Granny Grimmembered's initial

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<v Speaker 1>reaction to Family Guy. He said, my first take was,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my god, he got competition and they're out flanking us.

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<v Speaker 1>This show is wilder and harsher and nastier. We used

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<v Speaker 1>to get in trouble. We used to be the cause

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<v Speaker 1>of the downfall.

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<v Speaker 2>Of the United States. And then speaking to.

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<v Speaker 1>MacFarlane, he said, you guys completely have your own style.

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<v Speaker 1>At the very beginning, you were accused of copying us,

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<v Speaker 1>and we were accused of copying you. So I stopped

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<v Speaker 1>watching your show just because I didn't want it to

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<v Speaker 1>be in my head. But they took this rivalry on

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<v Speaker 1>air at certain points. It's got vicious.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah Yeah. The first on air shot across the Bow

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<v Speaker 2>appeared in two thousand and two Treehouse of Horror episode

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<v Speaker 2>on The Simpsons, the camera pans across the field of

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<v Speaker 2>clones Homer has created with a machine, and hidden among

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<v Speaker 2>them is Peter Griffin. Then, in the two thousand and

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<v Speaker 2>five episode The Italian Bob, there was a gag where

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<v Speaker 2>the Italian police leafed through a handy book of American crimes,

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<v Speaker 2>on which the third page read Plagiardismo with a drawing

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<v Speaker 2>of peace others were weighing in. In the final episode

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<v Speaker 2>of Clerks, the animated series, Kevin Smith added a deliberately

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<v Speaker 2>unfunny comedy writer character who was seen studying a book

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<v Speaker 2>titled How to Write Cartoons by Seth MacFarlane and then

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<v Speaker 2>pitching an extremely stupid homophobic idea. Yeah, Kevin Smith, because

1:10:18.160 --> 1:10:21.760
<v Speaker 2>you've got so much to stand on. South Park took

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<v Speaker 2>much more pointed aim at Family Guy, though, and they

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<v Speaker 2>are two part season ten special Cartoon Wars in which

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<v Speaker 2>Cartman attempts to get Family Guy canceled by claiming that

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<v Speaker 2>a new episode will include a depiction of the prophet Mohammed, which,

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<v Speaker 2>for those of you lacking context, you did not do

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<v Speaker 2>in Islam, and that was one of the reasons for

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<v Speaker 2>the terrorist attack on the French satirical magazine Charlie.

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<v Speaker 1>Hebdo my correct with that? Jordan's correct? Yes, that's correct

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty fifteen, I believe.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well we'll wear an it.

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<v Speaker 4>This isn't what I signed up for. I like Family Guy.

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<v Speaker 4>Why do we have to get off the air forever?

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<v Speaker 4>You should like show your sense of humor is just

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<v Speaker 4>like Family Guy. Don't you ever ever compare me to

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<v Speaker 4>Family Guy? You hear me, come out, compare me to

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<v Speaker 4>Family Guy again, and so help me. I will kill

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<v Speaker 4>you where you stand. You just want Family Guy off

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<v Speaker 4>the air? Do you have any idea what it's sech

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<v Speaker 4>everywhere I go? Hey, Common, you bess that Family Guy?

1:11:19.400 --> 1:11:21.439
<v Speaker 4>Hey you said to human reminds me of Family Guy. Common.

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<v Speaker 4>I am nothing like Family Guy When I make jokes

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<v Speaker 4>there inherit to a story, deep situational and emotional jokes

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<v Speaker 4>based on what is relevant and has a point, not

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<v Speaker 4>just one random interchangeable.

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<v Speaker 2>Joke after an Eventually, in the courts of this episode,

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<v Speaker 2>it gets revealed that the Family Guy's staff writers are manatees.

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<v Speaker 2>Using a random sentence generator controlled by idea bles that

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<v Speaker 2>are lowered into their tank to create the show's signature

1:11:45.080 --> 1:11:45.920
<v Speaker 2>cutaway gags.

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<v Speaker 1>I love this episode so much.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's funny. Yeah, I don't know, man, I

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<v Speaker 2>just never caught into South Park. I kind of always

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<v Speaker 2>just felt it was, uh, it just felt like bullying.

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<v Speaker 1>That's interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't feel that that show ever. Like their attitudes

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<v Speaker 2>that became a parent and everything were just like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like we're the smartest guys in the room. We can

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<v Speaker 2>say this, and we can say that and whatever. And

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<v Speaker 2>I just never I don't know. I'd be hard pressed

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<v Speaker 2>to articulate it further than that.

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<v Speaker 1>They're the Becker and Fagin of a turn of the

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<v Speaker 1>century comedy misanthropes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, except I'd like to see them make you can't

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<v Speaker 2>buy a thrill. Putts is playing around with instruction paper, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>doing child's voices into their sixties. That show's still on, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, good for them. I don't think they're even

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<v Speaker 1>all that old as fifty five.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, time is a cruel mistress. South Park show runner

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<v Speaker 2>Trey Parker told The New York Times in two thousand

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<v Speaker 2>and five, we kept running into people that are just like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>you guys do South Park. I love that show and

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<v Speaker 2>Family Guy that's the best. You must love Family Guy,

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<v Speaker 2>and we were like, no, we really hate Family Guy. Still,

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<v Speaker 2>in the same interview, Matt Stone admitted they completely ignore

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<v Speaker 2>so it's fine. It's a one way war, to which

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<v Speaker 2>Parker then added, they're making a lot more money than

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<v Speaker 2>we are, so I don't think they care very much.

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<v Speaker 2>In the wake of the South Park episode, Parker claimed,

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<v Speaker 2>when we did the Muhammed episode, we got flowers from

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<v Speaker 2>the Simpsons people because we ripped on Family Guy. Then

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<v Speaker 2>we got calls from the King of the Hill people

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<v Speaker 2>saying you're doing God's work ripping on Family Guy.

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<v Speaker 1>That's great.

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<v Speaker 2>The worst of Family Guys responses to this was admittedly

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<v Speaker 2>a bit much. Yeah. In the September two thousand and

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<v Speaker 2>seven episode moving out Parentheses Brian's song, the show threw

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<v Speaker 2>up a fake bumper ad and the lower third of

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<v Speaker 2>the screen, which is one of those like you know

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<v Speaker 2>they'll scroll of the lower third of the screen will

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<v Speaker 2>have like a network animation promoting another show, and this

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<v Speaker 2>was promoting The Simpsons featuring March As the regular episode.

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<v Speaker 2>The Family Guy episode continues, there's an entirely separate plot

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<v Speaker 2>happening in the lower third animation, in which Quagmire attempts

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<v Speaker 2>and then apparently succeeds in sexually assaulting Marge, who then,

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<v Speaker 2>apparently converted by this experience, invites him back to the

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<v Speaker 2>Simpson house in Springfield. So then they cut away to

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<v Speaker 2>the Simpson House entirely seen in exterior, and then the

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<v Speaker 2>dialogue and sounds suggest that when Homer discovers them, Quagmire

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<v Speaker 2>shoots him and then the rest of the family. There

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<v Speaker 2>is a long pause after four of the gunshots, implying

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<v Speaker 2>that it took him a minute, but he did indeed

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<v Speaker 2>shoot Maggie the baby, Yes, the baby. Needless to say,

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<v Speaker 2>this was widely decried, although McFarland defended it on the

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<v Speaker 2>DVD commentary for the episode, calling the scene a little

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<v Speaker 2>shot that Fox told him he couldn't do. He had

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<v Speaker 2>that Fox was afraid of Simpson showrunner James L. Brooks,

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<v Speaker 2>and not us.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I read that that didn't actually make it

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<v Speaker 1>to air, It just became I'd read that. Yeah, there

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<v Speaker 1>were two versions of every show made, one that was

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<v Speaker 1>broadcast and one that was for streaming in DVDs.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, but I mean, at this point, they didn't know

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<v Speaker 2>that there was going to be a dB deally, so

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<v Speaker 2>they I understand why he was angry that it had

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<v Speaker 2>just been cut completely. And yeah, I mean it's a

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<v Speaker 2>bit much, but it is proportional to family guys, you know. Deal.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, of course they were going to take it

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<v Speaker 2>somewhere that was horrifyingly dark. Yes, and you know, to

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<v Speaker 2>me again, it's not that it's like that it was

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<v Speaker 2>a rape joke. It was the fact that it was

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<v Speaker 2>a rape joke that culminated in the gun murder of

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<v Speaker 2>a chot of a baby yea, and several children. Several children. Yes, yeah, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, somebody's got to go there.

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<v Speaker 1>But on the flip side, you've got some great facts

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<v Speaker 1>about Quagmire.

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<v Speaker 2>For me, I did did you know that Quagmires based

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<v Speaker 2>on Bob Hope that I didn't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I knew he was supposed to be like an anachronistic

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<v Speaker 1>fifties guy, but I didn't know he was specifically Bob Hope.

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<v Speaker 2>See. I think he was a little bit supposed to

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<v Speaker 2>be more of like a seventies swinger, like an eg

1:15:55.760 --> 1:15:59.719
<v Speaker 2>Bob Hope character, you know. But I think that large

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<v Speaker 2>jaw is probably the most identifiable part of that.

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<v Speaker 1>An episode where Peter and his friends get a look

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<v Speaker 1>at Quiguire's driver's license. He apparently was born in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>forty eight, which means that he's like pushing eighty. That's weird,

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<v Speaker 1>and the secret to his youthful appearance carrots. He said,

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<v Speaker 1>some of the ways you can expect and some of

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<v Speaker 1>the ways that you could also expect because it's Family Guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Eventually, the Simpsons Family Guy crossed over to a full

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<v Speaker 2>on crossover special in twenty fourteen.

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<v Speaker 1>I had no memory of this. I thought it would

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<v Speaker 1>have been a bigger news story.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I definitely had stopped watching any of this stuff

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<v Speaker 2>by then. What was I doing in twenty fourteen, I

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<v Speaker 2>was playing a lot of shows. I don't think I

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<v Speaker 2>was watching any I mean this is I didn't have

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<v Speaker 2>a TV. I stopped having a TV when I moved

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<v Speaker 2>to New York, you know. And I wasn't spending a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of time watching streaming unless I passed out in

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<v Speaker 2>front of it. Simpsons writer Mike Rice thought that Matt

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<v Speaker 2>Groening and James L. Brooks would want more control over

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<v Speaker 2>the episode, but the pair told the Family Guy team

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<v Speaker 2>good luck with the crossover. We'll watch it when it airs.

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<v Speaker 2>Rice added in the end, everyone from both camps loved it,

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<v Speaker 2>except for maybe Seth McFarlane. The running theme of the

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<v Speaker 2>episode was that Family Guy stole everything from The Simpsons,

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<v Speaker 2>and they made this point over and over and over

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<v Speaker 2>and over. Apparently at some point Seth told the staff

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<v Speaker 2>guys enough On the flip side, you know Seth's favorite

1:17:21.880 --> 1:17:24.720
<v Speaker 2>Family Guy bit. I remember this bit seeing it written out.

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<v Speaker 1>It's when Lois looks back on all the food they've wasted,

1:17:28.880 --> 1:17:31.920
<v Speaker 1>and they cut to Peter trying to feed Tom Selick

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<v Speaker 1>peas from a spoon through the TV screen and.

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<v Speaker 2>When it changes characters.

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<v Speaker 1>None for you, Higgins, you had yours?

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, Hey, none for you Higgins trying to steal time

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<v Speaker 2>Shalick food.

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<v Speaker 1>No, No, you've had yours. We don't have time to

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<v Speaker 1>touch on literally every time someone said Family Guy went

1:17:54.200 --> 1:18:00.920
<v Speaker 1>too far. This joke's about Terry Schivo, Sarah Palin's sung trig, transphobe, homophobia,

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<v Speaker 1>domestic violence, the Boston Marathon bombing.

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<v Speaker 2>What have you, and the rest and the but I well.

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<v Speaker 1>Heigel want to highlight how furious the right wing TV

1:18:12.840 --> 1:18:16.439
<v Speaker 1>morality group, the Parents Television Council war at Family Guy.

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<v Speaker 1>In May two thousand, in an email, the Parents Television

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<v Speaker 1>Council launched a letter writing campaign to the Fox network

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<v Speaker 1>to persuade the network to cancel Family Guy. This is

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<v Speaker 1>before it was canceled the first time. Family Guy made

1:18:30.360 --> 1:18:33.479
<v Speaker 1>the PTCs two thousand, two thousand and five, and two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and six lists of worst primetime shows for family viewing,

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<v Speaker 1>with over forty Family Guy episodes listed as worst TV

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<v Speaker 1>shows of the week. I think forty four to be exact,

1:18:44.960 --> 1:18:49.080
<v Speaker 1>which is a record for the watchdog Agency. This was

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<v Speaker 1>due to profanity, animated nudity, and violence, and the series

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<v Speaker 1>was also named the worst show of the two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and six two thousand and seven season by the PTC.

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<v Speaker 1>They all filed multiple complaints, but the FCC that's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of the thing that the PTC does.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>For the show's one hundredth episode special seth MacFarland interviewed

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<v Speaker 1>people who hated Family Guy, hiding the fact that they

1:19:13.040 --> 1:19:15.400
<v Speaker 1>were speaking to the show's creator. I kind of remember this.

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<v Speaker 1>Representatives from the PTC were among those interviewed. But here's

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<v Speaker 1>the craziest thing about the relationship between the PTC and

1:19:23.479 --> 1:19:27.400
<v Speaker 1>Family Guy, though McFarland once slammed the PTC as quote

1:19:27.400 --> 1:19:30.920
<v Speaker 1>literally terrible human beings rotten to the core, but in

1:19:30.960 --> 1:19:34.960
<v Speaker 1>twenty fifteen he invited PTC president Tim Winter to talk

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<v Speaker 1>things out.

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<v Speaker 2>Winter took over as president in two thousand and seven,

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<v Speaker 2>and after a twenty fifteen episode of Family Guy featuring

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<v Speaker 2>one of the stupidest jokes ever to grace the show,

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<v Speaker 2>and this is the joke, Peter had surgery because he

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to have quote two wieners. He lifts his hospital

1:19:52.640 --> 1:19:56.360
<v Speaker 2>gown after the operation, swivels his hips with his back

1:19:56.439 --> 1:19:59.400
<v Speaker 2>to the and everything covered by the backside of the gown.

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<v Speaker 2>Viewers here and Peter remarks, uh, oh, that was the original.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't get it.

1:20:05.720 --> 1:20:09.479
<v Speaker 2>He's original wiener Ye. Another one added. The joke is

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<v Speaker 2>that instead of the new one, the original fell off.

1:20:13.680 --> 1:20:15.519
<v Speaker 2>Oh that's oh.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh. I thought it was the sound of them bumping

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<v Speaker 1>into one another and I didn't get it.

1:20:21.800 --> 1:20:25.280
<v Speaker 2>No, sorry, Yeah, there's a sound of something thunking on

1:20:25.320 --> 1:20:27.960
<v Speaker 2>the floor. I could have sold that. Let me just

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<v Speaker 2>take that whole thing over again. It's kind of funny

1:20:30.080 --> 1:20:32.880
<v Speaker 2>that you're explaining this joke to me. Okay, I'm going

1:20:32.920 --> 1:20:36.120
<v Speaker 2>to keep that. So after that, McFarlane wrote a letter

1:20:36.160 --> 1:20:40.080
<v Speaker 2>to Winter inviting him or two writers of Winter's choosing

1:20:40.560 --> 1:20:42.920
<v Speaker 2>to quote write an episode of Family Guy the way

1:20:43.000 --> 1:20:44.759
<v Speaker 2>you think Family Guys should be written.

1:20:44.920 --> 1:20:48.559
<v Speaker 1>That's an incredible challenge, Yeah, it is. Winsor ultimately declined

1:20:48.600 --> 1:20:51.160
<v Speaker 1>the offer, but wrote back to McFarlane explaining that the

1:20:51.160 --> 1:20:54.719
<v Speaker 1>PTC's goal was to raise awareness about how some subject

1:20:54.800 --> 1:20:57.720
<v Speaker 1>matter may be harmful the children, and pointed to at

1:20:57.840 --> 1:21:02.040
<v Speaker 1>least fifty eight jokes about sexual violence on Family Guy

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<v Speaker 1>in three years don't last, asking McFarland, what is the

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<v Speaker 1>cumulative impact on children who watched those programs?

1:21:09.920 --> 1:21:13.760
<v Speaker 2>Probably less than being sexually abused. Whatever, Sorry, McFarland told

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<v Speaker 2>the La Times.

1:21:14.680 --> 1:21:16.960
<v Speaker 1>I was properly humbled, and I figured that I ought

1:21:16.960 --> 1:21:19.519
<v Speaker 1>to give him a call. The pair met and sat

1:21:19.560 --> 1:21:20.599
<v Speaker 1>and talked about media.

1:21:20.720 --> 1:21:21.360
<v Speaker 2>It's like you and me.

1:21:21.680 --> 1:21:24.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, McFarlane told Winter that quote, my parents let me

1:21:24.760 --> 1:21:28.439
<v Speaker 1>watch Animal House, Caddyshack, Stripes, these R rated comedies when

1:21:28.479 --> 1:21:31.120
<v Speaker 1>I was seven. I had a very strong family unit,

1:21:31.120 --> 1:21:33.160
<v Speaker 1>and so there wasn't much damage that was done from

1:21:33.160 --> 1:21:36.160
<v Speaker 1>those films. But when your kids being raised by TV,

1:21:36.479 --> 1:21:39.240
<v Speaker 1>it could be a different story and The two eventually

1:21:39.320 --> 1:21:41.479
<v Speaker 1>hit it off so well that in twenty nineteen, when

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<v Speaker 1>The La Times cover the story, the pair were.

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<v Speaker 2>On a texting basis with each other.

1:21:46.000 --> 1:21:48.640
<v Speaker 1>McFarlane told the paper for this interview, I think it's

1:21:48.720 --> 1:21:51.479
<v Speaker 1>a healthy, necessary thing for the PTC to exist in

1:21:51.479 --> 1:21:54.800
<v Speaker 1>the same world as what we're doing. And also apparently

1:21:55.080 --> 1:22:00.280
<v Speaker 1>the PTC loved McFarland's Star Trek parody The Orville, and

1:22:00.600 --> 1:22:03.200
<v Speaker 1>instead of urging advertisers to boycott the show, as they

1:22:03.200 --> 1:22:06.519
<v Speaker 1>had done with Family Guy, they encouraged advertisers to buy

1:22:06.680 --> 1:22:11.080
<v Speaker 1>space on the rival show. Also in twenty nineteen, McFarland,

1:22:11.280 --> 1:22:14.800
<v Speaker 1>along with executive producers Alex Sulkin and Rich Appel, made

1:22:14.840 --> 1:22:18.480
<v Speaker 1>an announcement that the show would begin refraining from gay jokes.

1:22:18.960 --> 1:22:24.120
<v Speaker 2>It took that long, Yeah, so some progress. It's hey,

1:22:24.120 --> 1:22:27.639
<v Speaker 2>it's a marathon, not a sprint, right, What is progress anyway?

1:22:27.920 --> 1:22:30.800
<v Speaker 2>I've heard all these stories about it, but I don't

1:22:30.800 --> 1:22:32.760
<v Speaker 2>really see a lot of it. Time will tell if

1:22:32.800 --> 1:22:36.040
<v Speaker 2>McFarlane will have a similar moment of accord with Jana

1:22:36.120 --> 1:22:40.920
<v Speaker 2>Lana Trova, a regional deputy for the Russian city of Cheliabinsk,

1:22:41.720 --> 1:22:45.160
<v Speaker 2>who criticized Family Guys season twenty one finale, for as

1:22:45.200 --> 1:22:49.400
<v Speaker 2>Wikipedia hopefully puts it negatively, portraying the city as contaminated

1:22:49.439 --> 1:22:52.800
<v Speaker 2>by radiation and its local citizens as drunkards and drug

1:22:52.880 --> 1:22:56.839
<v Speaker 2>users dissatisfied with life. Family Guys first two at bats

1:22:56.840 --> 1:23:00.000
<v Speaker 2>on the air worked put it charitably, mismanaged. It official

1:23:00.160 --> 1:23:04.639
<v Speaker 2>premiered after Fox's broadcast of Super Bowl XXXIII on January

1:23:04.680 --> 1:23:07.599
<v Speaker 2>thirty first, nineteen ninety nine, too, as we mentioned earlier,

1:23:07.640 --> 1:23:10.720
<v Speaker 2>twenty two million viewers, but then it wouldn't return to

1:23:10.720 --> 1:23:15.120
<v Speaker 2>the air until four months later. That's insane, amazing idea.

1:23:15.320 --> 1:23:18.200
<v Speaker 2>Make space for this after the fucking Super Bowl and

1:23:18.240 --> 1:23:20.840
<v Speaker 2>then wait four months to let anybody see it again.

1:23:21.479 --> 1:23:24.320
<v Speaker 2>But Fox did slot it between The Simpsons and The

1:23:24.479 --> 1:23:27.360
<v Speaker 2>X Files and the networks then flourishing Sunday night lineup.

1:23:27.800 --> 1:23:30.759
<v Speaker 2>After its first season, as you mentioned, it was ranked

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<v Speaker 2>thirty third by Nielsen with nearly thirteen million viewers by

1:23:34.160 --> 1:23:38.120
<v Speaker 2>Harry Nielsen, Yes, by beloved kruner Harry Nielsen. Unfortunately, Fox

1:23:38.120 --> 1:23:40.639
<v Speaker 2>decided to move it to Thursdays at nine for its

1:23:40.640 --> 1:23:44.519
<v Speaker 2>second season, which put it indirect competition to Fraser, which,

1:23:44.560 --> 1:23:48.000
<v Speaker 2>as the elder among you may remember, was not a

1:23:48.040 --> 1:23:51.799
<v Speaker 2>smart move. At the turn of the century. Fox's response

1:23:51.840 --> 1:23:54.080
<v Speaker 2>to this was to remove Family Guy from its schedule

1:23:54.240 --> 1:23:58.960
<v Speaker 2>and then just start airing episodes irregularly. Then, a year

1:23:59.000 --> 1:24:01.639
<v Speaker 2>after its premiere, they moved it to Tuesdays in March

1:24:01.640 --> 1:24:04.160
<v Speaker 2>of two thousand, where it was then in place to

1:24:04.200 --> 1:24:07.240
<v Speaker 2>be walloped by the juggernaut of Who Wants to Be

1:24:07.280 --> 1:24:10.080
<v Speaker 2>a Millionaire, which was reaching its critical mass at the time.

1:24:10.200 --> 1:24:14.040
<v Speaker 2>Based on that, Fox announced Family Guys first cancelation in

1:24:14.080 --> 1:24:16.280
<v Speaker 2>May of two thousand at the end of its second season,

1:24:16.600 --> 1:24:19.960
<v Speaker 2>before abruptly announcing in July that they'd actually ordered thirteen

1:24:19.960 --> 1:24:24.000
<v Speaker 2>more episodes for a third season. Of course, Fox decided

1:24:24.000 --> 1:24:25.960
<v Speaker 2>to bring the show back in November of two thousand

1:24:26.000 --> 1:24:29.280
<v Speaker 2>and one on Thursdays at eight, bringing it into direct

1:24:29.360 --> 1:24:33.720
<v Speaker 2>competition again with NBC and ABC, who were at the

1:24:33.720 --> 1:24:38.479
<v Speaker 2>time airing Survivor and Friends respectively in the same time slot.

1:24:39.400 --> 1:24:42.360
<v Speaker 2>Just like literally the sideshow Bob gag of stepping on rakes,

1:24:42.840 --> 1:24:47.160
<v Speaker 2>Like stop putting a show that people have only had

1:24:47.200 --> 1:24:53.360
<v Speaker 2>a little love against these ratings juggernauts man. Anyway, Fox

1:24:53.400 --> 1:24:56.160
<v Speaker 2>continued to toy with the show scheduling during its third season,

1:24:56.240 --> 1:24:58.559
<v Speaker 2>moving it around to different time slots with little or

1:24:58.560 --> 1:25:01.760
<v Speaker 2>no notice. I think there was like a brief website

1:25:01.800 --> 1:25:03.960
<v Speaker 2>at one point that was like when you can see

1:25:03.960 --> 1:25:09.120
<v Speaker 2>Family guardments, yes, and that just had the expected effect

1:25:09.120 --> 1:25:11.559
<v Speaker 2>of tanking its ratings. And then when it came time

1:25:11.600 --> 1:25:14.679
<v Speaker 2>to unveil its two thousand and two fall lineup, Family

1:25:14.680 --> 1:25:18.040
<v Speaker 2>Guy was noticeably absent, with the network announcing the show

1:25:18.080 --> 1:25:19.559
<v Speaker 2>had been canceled. Days later.

1:25:19.680 --> 1:25:21.400
<v Speaker 1>They did the same thing the rest of the development

1:25:21.600 --> 1:25:27.080
<v Speaker 1>like around the same time. Well, it's not that hard, no.

1:25:26.400 --> 1:25:30.559
<v Speaker 2>No, yeah. McFarlane though, I think is quite sweet about it.

1:25:31.320 --> 1:25:33.799
<v Speaker 2>He said it wasn't He didn't blame it on Fox.

1:25:33.800 --> 1:25:36.639
<v Speaker 2>He said it was an issue of overconfidence. They felt

1:25:36.640 --> 1:25:38.639
<v Speaker 2>that because the show was doing so well on Sunday

1:25:38.680 --> 1:25:41.040
<v Speaker 2>nights after the Simpsons, that it could do well anywhere.

1:25:41.560 --> 1:25:44.639
<v Speaker 2>Obviously that wasn't the case. But really, to their cred

1:25:44.760 --> 1:25:47.040
<v Speaker 2>despite all the scheduling problems, the fact that they did

1:25:47.080 --> 1:25:49.720
<v Speaker 2>stick with it after that up to fifty episodes. As

1:25:49.800 --> 1:25:52.680
<v Speaker 2>much as they're maligned by fans for misscheduling us, they

1:25:52.720 --> 1:25:54.479
<v Speaker 2>really did like the show and there was a lot

1:25:54.520 --> 1:25:55.320
<v Speaker 2>of support for it.

1:25:55.520 --> 1:25:59.760
<v Speaker 1>Family Guy ultimately earned its historic comeback thanks to Cartoon Network,

1:26:00.000 --> 1:26:02.160
<v Speaker 1>who picked up the rights to the show Dirt Cheap

1:26:02.240 --> 1:26:05.040
<v Speaker 1>and began airing reruns of it during their late night

1:26:05.120 --> 1:26:06.759
<v Speaker 1>Adult Swim programming block.

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<v Speaker 2>Dude, if I had a time machine, man, I would

1:26:09.760 --> 1:26:16.320
<v Speaker 2>just go back to watching Adult Swim just being high

1:26:16.360 --> 1:26:18.439
<v Speaker 2>Maneah twelve ounce mouse.

1:26:20.040 --> 1:26:22.479
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's never a big aquatine. That was never really

1:26:22.479 --> 1:26:22.800
<v Speaker 1>my thing.

1:26:22.880 --> 1:26:27.280
<v Speaker 2>Oh I liked aquatine? Yeah I did. I'm not ashamed

1:26:27.280 --> 1:26:32.360
<v Speaker 2>to admit it. I'm not. I don't let him tell

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<v Speaker 2>me what to do.

1:26:33.479 --> 1:26:34.920
<v Speaker 1>What else is on at that time?

1:26:35.520 --> 1:26:36.720
<v Speaker 2>Did you pick that up?

1:26:36.800 --> 1:26:36.880
<v Speaker 3>No?

1:26:37.320 --> 1:26:41.759
<v Speaker 2>This is one of my favorite random bits from Arrested Development,

1:26:41.760 --> 1:26:44.000
<v Speaker 2>where Jeffrey Tamber has been locked in the attic and

1:26:45.200 --> 1:26:47.640
<v Speaker 2>Jason Babman finds him having a tea party with like

1:26:47.680 --> 1:26:49.960
<v Speaker 2>the dolls they've been left up in it, and he

1:26:50.040 --> 1:26:53.080
<v Speaker 2>says something. He's like, he's like rambling on an advice

1:26:53.160 --> 1:26:56.920
<v Speaker 2>and he's like, you know, Michael, you just you're too

1:26:57.160 --> 1:26:59.760
<v Speaker 2>enthrall to these women, Like with these broads here, you know,

1:26:59.800 --> 1:27:01.960
<v Speaker 2>I whine them and I dine them, but I don't

1:27:02.000 --> 1:27:05.920
<v Speaker 2>let them tell them what to do. Pause. I don't

1:27:06.280 --> 1:27:10.679
<v Speaker 2>let them tell me what to do. It looks back,

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<v Speaker 2>so good.

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<v Speaker 1>I do.

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<v Speaker 2>Rest of it.

1:27:14.200 --> 1:27:15.920
<v Speaker 1>I thought we've talked about this and you said you

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<v Speaker 1>weren't into rest of the development because you thought it

1:27:18.000 --> 1:27:20.840
<v Speaker 1>was a little too like nudge nudge, wink wink with

1:27:20.880 --> 1:27:21.479
<v Speaker 1>the audience.

1:27:21.880 --> 1:27:24.360
<v Speaker 2>I do think that as a criticism, but I also

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<v Speaker 2>think it's one of the Uh. I think it's up

1:27:26.800 --> 1:27:30.599
<v Speaker 2>there with thirty Rock and like prime era cheers as

1:27:30.760 --> 1:27:35.320
<v Speaker 2>like laughs per capita. Yeah, yeah, no, I agree. You

1:27:35.360 --> 1:27:37.360
<v Speaker 2>don't agree though, because you still haven't watched thirty Rock.

1:27:37.960 --> 1:27:41.160
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, because you have, you're still salty about it

1:27:41.200 --> 1:27:43.880
<v Speaker 2>from oh my gosh, that's becoming a theme this episode.

1:27:44.120 --> 1:27:47.080
<v Speaker 2>From your time at NYU in the screenwriting program, Well

1:27:47.080 --> 1:27:47.320
<v Speaker 2>it was this.

1:27:47.439 --> 1:27:50.080
<v Speaker 1>They made us like dissect scripts from it. And it's

1:27:50.080 --> 1:27:53.280
<v Speaker 1>just because they're funny as well. Sure, but it's just

1:27:53.360 --> 1:27:55.639
<v Speaker 1>if there's a way to make something not funny, it's

1:27:55.640 --> 1:27:58.599
<v Speaker 1>to just forensically examine it.

1:28:00.280 --> 1:28:05.559
<v Speaker 2>Suddenly it became homeworks as we do. Okay, that's that's fair. Continue.

1:28:05.640 --> 1:28:07.040
<v Speaker 2>I don't know point I was making.

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<v Speaker 1>These family got reruns on Adult Swim, a basic cable network,

1:28:11.680 --> 1:28:15.200
<v Speaker 1>end up beating both David Letterman and Jay Leno's late

1:28:15.320 --> 1:28:18.960
<v Speaker 1>night shows on CBS and NBC. Among the coveted eighteen

1:28:19.000 --> 1:28:21.960
<v Speaker 1>to thirty four demo. Not surprised about Jay Leno. I'm

1:28:22.040 --> 1:28:23.080
<v Speaker 1>surprised about Letterman.

1:28:23.360 --> 1:28:25.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Letterman was always the guy that they could count

1:28:25.400 --> 1:28:27.640
<v Speaker 2>on for the younger demographic. Yeah.

1:28:28.160 --> 1:28:31.799
<v Speaker 1>The Family Got reruns also provided a staggering two hundred

1:28:31.800 --> 1:28:36.080
<v Speaker 1>and thirty nine percent boost the Cartoon Network's ratings. That's insane.

1:28:36.200 --> 1:28:38.879
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, what must have been the reaction when those figures

1:28:38.880 --> 1:28:42.840
<v Speaker 2>came in other than like are these right? Yeah? I

1:28:42.840 --> 1:28:46.840
<v Speaker 2>mean two hundred and thirty nine percent They earned their

1:28:46.880 --> 1:28:47.880
<v Speaker 2>bonuses that year.

1:28:48.040 --> 1:28:50.479
<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to think about, like what I would have

1:28:50.520 --> 1:28:51.839
<v Speaker 1>watched on Cartoon Network.

1:28:51.840 --> 1:28:55.639
<v Speaker 2>I mean maybe it was like Flip Bravo. It would

1:28:55.640 --> 1:28:57.960
<v Speaker 2>have been Johnny Bravo, and they had a slate, they

1:28:57.960 --> 1:29:00.479
<v Speaker 2>had a slate before that, but Adult Swim was just totally,

1:29:01.080 --> 1:29:05.360
<v Speaker 2>you know, unprecedented and like unexplained too. I just remember

1:29:05.439 --> 1:29:08.400
<v Speaker 2>like surfing around and like the logo would come up

1:29:08.400 --> 1:29:10.880
<v Speaker 2>with the little cool music stingers, and I would just

1:29:10.920 --> 1:29:13.280
<v Speaker 2>be like is this And then like Family Guy would

1:29:13.280 --> 1:29:15.200
<v Speaker 2>come on, or Twelve Ounce Mouths would come on, or

1:29:15.479 --> 1:29:19.760
<v Speaker 2>any of those shows, and I remember being so captivated

1:29:19.960 --> 1:29:23.639
<v Speaker 2>in the staying up to watch that like every summer

1:29:23.680 --> 1:29:27.000
<v Speaker 2>really because they you know, anyway, I digress. This isn't

1:29:27.000 --> 1:29:29.000
<v Speaker 2>about my childhood, Jordan, It's about yours.

1:29:29.360 --> 1:29:31.479
<v Speaker 1>But it was weird. It was like the network aged

1:29:31.600 --> 1:29:34.400
<v Speaker 1>up with us, Like it started when we were kids

1:29:34.439 --> 1:29:37.679
<v Speaker 1>and aired relatively kid friendly shows in my memory at least,

1:29:37.960 --> 1:29:40.320
<v Speaker 1>and then as we hit like late middle school, early

1:29:40.360 --> 1:29:43.080
<v Speaker 1>high school, it started skewing a little older. It was funny.

1:29:43.360 --> 1:29:46.439
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, I haven't delved super into the history

1:29:46.479 --> 1:29:48.800
<v Speaker 2>of adult Swim, but I think it really was just

1:29:48.880 --> 1:29:50.800
<v Speaker 2>kind of a like pie in the Sky thing where

1:29:50.800 --> 1:29:52.960
<v Speaker 2>they were like, I don't know, most of our audience

1:29:53.120 --> 1:29:55.800
<v Speaker 2>doesn't stay awake this late. Does anyone here want to

1:29:55.800 --> 1:29:59.080
<v Speaker 2>try and do something with this? And that's what happened.

1:29:59.160 --> 1:30:01.960
<v Speaker 1>It's probably like what's Snick was for Nickelodeon when they

1:30:02.000 --> 1:30:04.840
<v Speaker 1>had kind of the more older skewing are you Afraid

1:30:04.840 --> 1:30:06.240
<v Speaker 1>of the Dark type stuff?

1:30:06.280 --> 1:30:10.400
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, but Snick didn't have Aquitine Hunger Force where

1:30:10.520 --> 1:30:13.599
<v Speaker 2>Danzig shows up, or like twelve ounce Mouse where it's

1:30:13.640 --> 1:30:17.320
<v Speaker 2>like a paper mache mouse who's also like a violent

1:30:17.439 --> 1:30:21.599
<v Speaker 2>mercenary for hire. I mean, stuff was really out there.

1:30:21.720 --> 1:30:24.280
<v Speaker 2>It was mecapse on the old Swim it was, but

1:30:24.320 --> 1:30:28.360
<v Speaker 2>that was a little later. Yeah, okay, yeah is also great?

1:30:28.520 --> 1:30:30.120
<v Speaker 1>Yes? Is that?

1:30:30.120 --> 1:30:37.519
<v Speaker 2>Then't say Tom the Satanic Priest is droning on and

1:30:37.560 --> 1:30:40.160
<v Speaker 2>on and on and on and totally monotone, and then

1:30:40.280 --> 1:30:46.400
<v Speaker 2>Nail sating. I just think there's there's a hilarious moment.

1:30:46.560 --> 1:30:48.240
<v Speaker 2>You have to cut all this because this is not

1:30:48.320 --> 1:30:49.960
<v Speaker 2>making it tear. I don't I don't want to be

1:30:50.000 --> 1:30:52.439
<v Speaker 2>part of something. It's just two guys talking about bits

1:30:52.479 --> 1:30:56.800
<v Speaker 2>from shows. But I'm gonna cut it right there.

1:30:57.840 --> 1:31:02.320
<v Speaker 1>Okay, we're gonna take a quick break, but we'll be

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<v Speaker 1>right back with more too much information in just a moment.

1:31:10.800 --> 1:31:11.080
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

1:31:17.439 --> 1:31:22.040
<v Speaker 1>So simultaneously with this phenomenal performance on Cartoon Networks Adult

1:31:22.080 --> 1:31:26.400
<v Speaker 1>Swim Fox released Family Guy on DVD with its first

1:31:26.439 --> 1:31:26.960
<v Speaker 1>box set.

1:31:27.000 --> 1:31:28.520
<v Speaker 2>I imagine the first season.

1:31:28.600 --> 1:31:31.840
<v Speaker 1>Coming in only behind The Simpsons and Chappelle's Show in

1:31:32.000 --> 1:31:34.479
<v Speaker 1>sales for all time.

1:31:34.920 --> 1:31:36.280
<v Speaker 2>That's wacky.

1:31:37.320 --> 1:31:39.080
<v Speaker 1>That record still I mean, of course the record still

1:31:39.080 --> 1:31:41.120
<v Speaker 1>holds because we're streaming it. Record is never gonna be broken.

1:31:41.400 --> 1:31:43.559
<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure if it did, it might have something

1:31:43.560 --> 1:31:45.600
<v Speaker 2>else might have squeaked in, but they were certainly on

1:31:45.680 --> 1:31:50.519
<v Speaker 2>the tail end of the era to amass such a record. Yeah,

1:31:50.560 --> 1:31:52.479
<v Speaker 2>and to be like, man, I mean like do you remember,

1:31:52.520 --> 1:31:56.000
<v Speaker 2>how do you actually remember how huge Chappelle show was? Yeah,

1:31:56.000 --> 1:31:59.479
<v Speaker 2>to come in second to that, like yeah, wild for

1:31:59.479 --> 1:32:03.360
<v Speaker 2>a show that you know, Fox canceled Idiots.

1:32:03.479 --> 1:32:06.160
<v Speaker 1>It is funny to me how the things that were

1:32:06.240 --> 1:32:08.679
<v Speaker 1>huge at a given time in history. I was talking

1:32:08.680 --> 1:32:10.800
<v Speaker 1>about this with my dad not too long ago, that

1:32:10.920 --> 1:32:14.280
<v Speaker 1>are still remembered as huge, you know, Beatles, pet sound like,

1:32:14.320 --> 1:32:16.760
<v Speaker 1>the things that are all those classics, and then the

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<v Speaker 1>things that were huge at the time but then just

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<v Speaker 1>didn't make it through and we're just kind of memory hold.

1:32:21.320 --> 1:32:24.880
<v Speaker 1>I feel like Chappelle's show, people don't well. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>I know that there's a lot of yeah, he did.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot about himself. Yeah, but I know, I think

1:32:29.280 --> 1:32:31.519
<v Speaker 2>it's just that everything once it's really that you can

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<v Speaker 2>trace that to the Internet, I think, because it's it's

1:32:35.400 --> 1:32:38.559
<v Speaker 2>you know, things got so much more fragmented and people

1:32:38.640 --> 1:32:41.559
<v Speaker 2>just stopped depending on like the big studios to like

1:32:41.640 --> 1:32:43.960
<v Speaker 2>dictate what movies were going to be big or like

1:32:44.000 --> 1:32:46.320
<v Speaker 2>what shows to watch, and it just I think like

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<v Speaker 2>that was like early dial up, you know, Internet message

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<v Speaker 2>boards and fan clubs were like the end of the

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<v Speaker 2>monoculture more than the speed of the Internet was or anything,

1:32:57.280 --> 1:33:00.400
<v Speaker 2>because it was just like something could have made ten

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<v Speaker 2>million dollars, like however many million dollars at the box office,

1:33:03.680 --> 1:33:05.559
<v Speaker 2>like had a huge smash hit, like all of these

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<v Speaker 2>like small legal dramas or stuff that movies that you

1:33:08.600 --> 1:33:12.880
<v Speaker 2>don't remember from the early nineties that were massive financial hits.

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<v Speaker 2>And then just because they didn't get a foothold in

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<v Speaker 2>the Internet community from the nascent Internet community and then

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<v Speaker 2>subsequently social media. Uh, that's it their memory. Hold, it's crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, if you look up box office stats for like,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, let's uh, let's pick a random or

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<v Speaker 2>in the nineties box office ninety nine, give it a

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<v Speaker 2>ninety nine. No, I want to do something earlier before.

1:33:32.720 --> 1:33:34.479
<v Speaker 2>I want to do pre Jurassic Park. I wanna say

1:33:34.520 --> 1:33:37.360
<v Speaker 2>ninety two, which I think was the year of Terminator two.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, well, Sister Act was the third highest grossing

1:33:40.920 --> 1:33:44.040
<v Speaker 2>movie that year, which, like, I think Sister Act has

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<v Speaker 2>been a little bit memory. Hold the Hand that Rocks

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<v Speaker 2>the Cradle, how about that eighty eight million domestic number

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<v Speaker 2>nine at the year end list? Remember anything about that? No,

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<v Speaker 2>Hand the rocks Creole guess what was number ten? No

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<v Speaker 2>idea Steven Siegal's Undersea rem there anything about that.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's got Steven Skall. That's all I need

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<v Speaker 1>to know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Fried Green Tomatoes. Oh, that's something called Far and Away.

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<v Speaker 1>Nope.

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<v Speaker 2>Fifty eight mil domestic?

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<v Speaker 1>What are the top five? I mean I've seen in

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<v Speaker 1>the top five?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, Batman Returns with a Weapon, three Sister Act Home Alone,

1:34:16.160 --> 1:34:18.720
<v Speaker 2>two and Wayne's World. Yeah, I mean ninety two? The

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<v Speaker 2>second ninety two. The Fugitive made one hundred and seventy

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<v Speaker 2>six million dollars. Does anyone remember The Fugitive other than

1:34:24.680 --> 1:34:27.400
<v Speaker 2>John mulaney making a joke about how convoluted the plot

1:34:27.479 --> 1:34:30.120
<v Speaker 2>of this Fugitive actually is. Oh, I thought, Oh, here's

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<v Speaker 2>a better one. Number three The Firm, Oh was talking

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<v Speaker 2>about the Firm? Wow, that movie made one hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>fifty eight million dollars in the United States in nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>ninety three. Who's talking about the Firm? Indecent Proposal one

1:34:43.800 --> 1:34:47.720
<v Speaker 2>hundred and six million? Yeah, people do they? Yeah? In

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<v Speaker 2>the Line of Fire starring Clint Eastwood, one hundred two million.

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<v Speaker 2>This is some sick com Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was a succession where the brother says

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<v Speaker 1>something that was like, I'm going to make you an

1:34:57.479 --> 1:35:00.760
<v Speaker 1>indecent proposal, and she's like, you've definitely ever seen that movie?

1:35:00.800 --> 1:35:05.320
<v Speaker 2>Have you? Okay, sorry, let's get this back on track.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's get it back on track with Steve Feldstein. Steve

1:35:09.120 --> 1:35:12.200
<v Speaker 1>Feldstein will get a SAT name with Steve. He was

1:35:12.280 --> 1:35:16.360
<v Speaker 1>the then senior VP of Fox's Home Entertainment. He told

1:35:16.360 --> 1:35:19.519
<v Speaker 1>The New York Times, once we made DVDs available Family Guy,

1:35:19.560 --> 1:35:22.879
<v Speaker 1>the response was incredible. Were we surprised about the response.

1:35:23.360 --> 1:35:26.080
<v Speaker 1>I'd be lying if I said no. The DVD sales,

1:35:26.080 --> 1:35:28.639
<v Speaker 1>he added, led the network to take a second look

1:35:28.640 --> 1:35:32.280
<v Speaker 1>at the show. Yeah, No, were there any like actual

1:35:32.320 --> 1:35:35.040
<v Speaker 1>stats for numbers of like how much they sold in

1:35:35.040 --> 1:35:35.479
<v Speaker 1>that period?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, sales of the DVD set reached two point two

1:35:40.280 --> 1:35:41.240
<v Speaker 2>million copies.

1:35:41.400 --> 1:35:44.599
<v Speaker 1>That's nuts, That is nuts. And they were like, what

1:35:44.640 --> 1:35:45.639
<v Speaker 1>forty bucks apiece?

1:35:45.680 --> 1:35:48.960
<v Speaker 2>Probably around maybe something like that. Yeah. Wow, So like, okay,

1:35:49.040 --> 1:35:52.040
<v Speaker 2>almost one hundred million in DVD sales. That'll make you

1:35:52.040 --> 1:35:53.799
<v Speaker 2>take a second look at to show you canceled.

1:35:54.160 --> 1:35:57.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. McFarland told The La Times that he took Family

1:35:57.040 --> 1:36:00.760
<v Speaker 1>Guy's entire early struggle in stride, mostly out of lack

1:36:00.760 --> 1:36:03.720
<v Speaker 1>of experience, He said, I had nothing to compare it

1:36:03.760 --> 1:36:05.879
<v Speaker 1>to because it was the first show I'd ever pitched

1:36:05.920 --> 1:36:08.200
<v Speaker 1>and it got picked up. I thought, oh, I guess

1:36:08.280 --> 1:36:11.320
<v Speaker 1>this is normal, which it certainly is not. When it

1:36:11.360 --> 1:36:13.960
<v Speaker 1>got canceled, I was like, Okay, well I guess this.

1:36:13.960 --> 1:36:14.639
<v Speaker 2>Is normal too.

1:36:15.120 --> 1:36:16.960
<v Speaker 1>But it wasn't like they were kicking to the curb.

1:36:17.080 --> 1:36:18.920
<v Speaker 1>It was we still want to be in business with you.

1:36:19.280 --> 1:36:22.439
<v Speaker 1>My deal with twentieth Television Animation never expired over those

1:36:22.479 --> 1:36:24.760
<v Speaker 1>two years. It was about to expire, and then they

1:36:24.760 --> 1:36:27.839
<v Speaker 1>picked the show up again. McFarlane went into further detail

1:36:27.880 --> 1:36:30.000
<v Speaker 1>about the moment that he learned the show as resurrected

1:36:30.080 --> 1:36:33.040
<v Speaker 1>in an interview with IGN. He said, they literally called

1:36:33.080 --> 1:36:35.280
<v Speaker 1>me out of nowhere. The head of twentieth called me

1:36:35.320 --> 1:36:37.360
<v Speaker 1>to come into his office for a meeting, and I

1:36:37.439 --> 1:36:40.280
<v Speaker 1>didn't know what it was about, and he just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of threw it on the table. We're thinking about putting

1:36:42.640 --> 1:36:45.040
<v Speaker 1>this thing back in the production and I just about

1:36:45.040 --> 1:36:47.439
<v Speaker 1>fell out of my chair. I thought that maybe we

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<v Speaker 1>get a chance to do a special or a direct

1:36:49.760 --> 1:36:52.960
<v Speaker 1>DVD movie of some kind, But as far as new episodes,

1:36:53.080 --> 1:36:56.679
<v Speaker 1>there was no precedent. It had never happened, mainly because

1:36:56.680 --> 1:36:59.519
<v Speaker 1>it requires a network to say, Okay, we screwed up.

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<v Speaker 1>Fox deserves some credit for saying, you know, we canceled it,

1:37:03.120 --> 1:37:05.360
<v Speaker 1>but now we see it's making some money, so we

1:37:05.400 --> 1:37:06.160
<v Speaker 1>want that money.

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<v Speaker 2>I do love that quote.

1:37:10.200 --> 1:37:13.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I remember when it was announced. I remember that

1:37:13.240 --> 1:37:14.280
<v Speaker 1>was like a big deal.

1:37:14.600 --> 1:37:16.280
<v Speaker 2>I don't think I remember when it happened. I just

1:37:16.280 --> 1:37:19.360
<v Speaker 2>remember like reappearing. So I don't know. I didn't have

1:37:19.479 --> 1:37:21.760
<v Speaker 2>I wasn't part of the letter writing campaigns. I didn't

1:37:21.760 --> 1:37:23.839
<v Speaker 2>care about I didn't care about anything that much.

1:37:23.720 --> 1:37:25.920
<v Speaker 1>So I wasn't part of that either. But I remember

1:37:25.920 --> 1:37:27.559
<v Speaker 1>what it was announced. I was like, oh my god,

1:37:27.840 --> 1:37:28.439
<v Speaker 1>this is great.

1:37:28.600 --> 1:37:29.200
<v Speaker 2>It was great.

1:37:29.360 --> 1:37:32.320
<v Speaker 1>It was great, and what a time. It was a

1:37:32.439 --> 1:37:36.480
<v Speaker 1>time of innocence, a time of confidences.

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<v Speaker 2>Long ago.

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<v Speaker 1>It must be are you just ripping? No, it's it's bookends.

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<v Speaker 1>It's my favorite Simon A. Garfunkle song.

1:37:44.280 --> 1:37:51.599
<v Speaker 2>Oh you so ach got me got his ass? Whose gas?

1:37:51.600 --> 1:37:58.560
<v Speaker 2>We got our Garfuncle dude. Yeah.

1:37:58.800 --> 1:38:01.679
<v Speaker 1>Fox ended up ordering thirty five new episodes of Family

1:38:01.680 --> 1:38:04.000
<v Speaker 1>Guy in May two thousand and four, making the show

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<v Speaker 1>the first to have been brought back by DVD.

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<v Speaker 2>Sales and likely the last Yeah Oh Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>DVD sales were not the only measure, though, there was

1:38:13.920 --> 1:38:17.479
<v Speaker 1>a robust fan campaign to bring the show back that

1:38:17.600 --> 1:38:21.160
<v Speaker 1>even picked up notice overseas. The Guardian, which is based

1:38:21.160 --> 1:38:23.639
<v Speaker 1>in the UK, remarked on the situation in two.

1:38:23.479 --> 1:38:24.160
<v Speaker 2>Thousand and five.

1:38:24.880 --> 1:38:29.240
<v Speaker 1>Protests involved over one hundred thousand signing a petition promising

1:38:29.240 --> 1:38:33.040
<v Speaker 1>to boycott all Fox TV and every product They advertised

1:38:33.400 --> 1:38:37.439
<v Speaker 1>nearly bankrupting a business by sending diapers and some less

1:38:37.479 --> 1:38:38.679
<v Speaker 1>than subtle letters.

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<v Speaker 2>It was they nearly bankrupted the diaper business, to be fair,

1:38:43.600 --> 1:38:47.640
<v Speaker 2>because they were like sending so many to headquarters to

1:38:47.720 --> 1:38:50.320
<v Speaker 2>Fox at one point, why were they sending diapers because

1:38:50.320 --> 1:38:52.439
<v Speaker 2>of Stewie? Oh you fool?

1:38:52.760 --> 1:38:56.479
<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, that's good, that's medium funny. McFarlane told the paper.

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<v Speaker 1>It was the largest fan campaign anyone had ever seen.

1:39:00.200 --> 1:39:03.960
<v Speaker 1>Funnily enough. Neil Goldman, who went on to executive produced Community,

1:39:04.080 --> 1:39:07.880
<v Speaker 1>another show brought back by extensive fan action, was working

1:39:07.920 --> 1:39:11.240
<v Speaker 1>on Family Guy during the campaign and recalled Fox gradually

1:39:11.240 --> 1:39:13.600
<v Speaker 1>becoming annoyed by the cases.

1:39:13.240 --> 1:39:15.960
<v Speaker 2>Of diapers mailed to the studio.

1:39:16.000 --> 1:39:19.240
<v Speaker 1>And added that even the online diaper company was asking

1:39:19.280 --> 1:39:20.920
<v Speaker 1>people to stop.

1:39:20.600 --> 1:39:22.479
<v Speaker 2>And that's what the problem was was because there were

1:39:22.520 --> 1:39:27.760
<v Speaker 2>not that many places doing online delivery at in this era, right,

1:39:28.160 --> 1:39:31.680
<v Speaker 2>so they were like they found like one place that

1:39:31.720 --> 1:39:33.960
<v Speaker 2>they could game so that it wouldn't come back to

1:39:34.000 --> 1:39:38.080
<v Speaker 2>them and like use anonymous stuff. And the company was like, please,

1:39:38.320 --> 1:39:42.200
<v Speaker 2>these aren't being accepted and we can't keep up with demand,

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<v Speaker 2>Like stop doing this.

1:39:45.000 --> 1:39:46.360
<v Speaker 1>That's amazing. I've never heard that.

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<v Speaker 2>The show naturally commented on the cancelation in North by

1:39:50.720 --> 1:39:54.599
<v Speaker 2>North Cohog the first episode of its revival. I remember

1:39:54.600 --> 1:39:57.960
<v Speaker 2>this gag, and I remember it being hilarious. Yes, Peter

1:39:58.160 --> 1:40:00.599
<v Speaker 2>breaks the fourth wall by explaining to Hi his family

1:40:00.680 --> 1:40:03.479
<v Speaker 2>that their show is back, but that Fox had to

1:40:03.479 --> 1:40:05.679
<v Speaker 2>cancel them in order to make room for Dark Angel,

1:40:05.720 --> 1:40:09.280
<v Speaker 2>Titus Undeclared Action, That eighty Show, wonderfulse fast Lane, Andy

1:40:09.320 --> 1:40:13.439
<v Speaker 2>Richter controls the Universe, Skin Girls Club, Cracking Up the Pits, Firefly,

1:40:13.520 --> 1:40:16.840
<v Speaker 2>Get Real, Freaky Links, Wanda at Large, Costello, The Lone Gunman,

1:40:16.960 --> 1:40:20.679
<v Speaker 2>A Minute with Stan Hooper, Normal Ohio, Pasadena, A Harsh

1:40:20.720 --> 1:40:23.479
<v Speaker 2>realm Keen, Eddie the Street, The American Embassy, Cedric the

1:40:23.560 --> 1:40:27.360
<v Speaker 2>Entertainer Presents the Tick, Luis and Greg the Bunny, all

1:40:27.400 --> 1:40:33.600
<v Speaker 2>of which were canceled during Family Guy's brief hiatus. That

1:40:33.720 --> 1:40:34.000
<v Speaker 2>was good.

1:40:34.040 --> 1:40:34.800
<v Speaker 1>I do remember that.

1:40:35.280 --> 1:40:38.559
<v Speaker 2>Family Guy, however, was not invincible upon its triumphant return.

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<v Speaker 2>In a number of cases, celebrities whose works have been

1:40:41.479 --> 1:40:43.920
<v Speaker 2>the topic of the show's many cutaway gags have sued,

1:40:44.000 --> 1:40:47.120
<v Speaker 2>like Carol Burnett. I didn't know about this. I guess.

1:40:47.200 --> 1:40:49.400
<v Speaker 1>There's an episode with a scene where Peter and his

1:40:49.479 --> 1:40:53.160
<v Speaker 1>friends visit an adult book store and Peter has concerns

1:40:53.160 --> 1:40:55.920
<v Speaker 1>that the store will be dirty, but then Quagmire says

1:40:56.000 --> 1:40:59.479
<v Speaker 1>it's pretty clean. Carol Burnett works part time as a janitor,

1:41:00.080 --> 1:41:02.280
<v Speaker 1>and the camera pans to a cartoon version of Carol

1:41:02.280 --> 1:41:04.559
<v Speaker 1>Burnett in one of her best known roles, mopping the

1:41:04.600 --> 1:41:08.040
<v Speaker 1>floor as her character the Charwoman. Actually it's funny.

1:41:08.479 --> 1:41:11.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think it was just just named the charge

1:41:11.280 --> 1:41:12.040
<v Speaker 2>Woman Charwoman.

1:41:12.280 --> 1:41:14.720
<v Speaker 1>Since Family Guy did not get Carol Burnett's permission, she

1:41:15.240 --> 1:41:18.959
<v Speaker 1>sued twentieth Century Fox for two million dollars on copyright

1:41:19.000 --> 1:41:19.960
<v Speaker 1>infringement claims.

1:41:20.520 --> 1:41:21.679
<v Speaker 2>The lawsuit also.

1:41:21.479 --> 1:41:24.439
<v Speaker 1>Alleged that the TV show used an altered version of

1:41:24.439 --> 1:41:25.959
<v Speaker 1>the Carol Burnett Show theme.

1:41:25.800 --> 1:41:30.000
<v Speaker 2>Song, which it probably did to set off the gag. Yeah,

1:41:31.320 --> 1:41:34.960
<v Speaker 2>but that's not all that is not all Jordan Police

1:41:34.960 --> 1:41:40.120
<v Speaker 2>Academy actor Art Mitrano sure also sued over a scene

1:41:40.160 --> 1:41:44.240
<v Speaker 2>in which Jesus, like the Son of God, mimics Mitronto's

1:41:44.280 --> 1:41:47.960
<v Speaker 2>bit of performing magic while humming Fine and Dandy from

1:41:47.960 --> 1:41:51.000
<v Speaker 2>the nineteen thirty musical of the same name. Burnett's was

1:41:51.040 --> 1:41:52.880
<v Speaker 2>rejected right when the judge.

1:41:52.680 --> 1:41:54.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this case was tossed out.

1:41:54.120 --> 1:41:57.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah. Burnett's case was talked out while Mitranto's was

1:41:57.080 --> 1:42:00.400
<v Speaker 2>settled out of court. I don't know anything about that

1:42:00.400 --> 1:42:03.240
<v Speaker 2>guy's bit, but it is a case when the gag

1:42:03.280 --> 1:42:04.280
<v Speaker 2>got too specific.

1:42:04.560 --> 1:42:10.640
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, he's like doing some lame magic thing with

1:42:10.680 --> 1:42:12.840
<v Speaker 1>like his fingers and now I remember it.

1:42:12.920 --> 1:42:16.240
<v Speaker 2>Okay, okay, okay, okay. But the show had moments that

1:42:16.280 --> 1:42:19.639
<v Speaker 2>Fox didn't back in court or anywhere else too. When

1:42:19.640 --> 1:42:22.200
<v Speaker 2>You Wish Upon a Weinstein, that was an episode that

1:42:22.200 --> 1:42:25.679
<v Speaker 2>succeeded in getting under Fox's skin. In the episode, Peter,

1:42:25.840 --> 1:42:28.639
<v Speaker 2>desponding over his money problems, praised for a Jewish person

1:42:28.680 --> 1:42:30.960
<v Speaker 2>to come and help him. He becomes friends with the

1:42:31.000 --> 1:42:36.000
<v Speaker 2>wildly caricatured Jewish man Max Weinstein or Max Goldman? Did

1:42:36.040 --> 1:42:38.840
<v Speaker 2>Max Goldman or Max Weinstein? I thought it changes? I

1:42:38.840 --> 1:42:39.639
<v Speaker 2>guess it's Weinstein.

1:42:39.720 --> 1:42:41.639
<v Speaker 1>The name of the show is when You Wish upon

1:42:41.680 --> 1:42:42.160
<v Speaker 1>a Wine Stea.

1:42:42.160 --> 1:42:45.160
<v Speaker 2>I remember that he becomes friends with the wildly chricatured

1:42:45.240 --> 1:42:48.559
<v Speaker 2>Jewish Max Weinstein and then attempts to convert Chris to

1:42:48.680 --> 1:42:52.920
<v Speaker 2>Judaism when he sees how successful Max is. Fox executives

1:42:52.920 --> 1:42:55.400
<v Speaker 2>initially stopped it from airing in two thousand, but it

1:42:55.520 --> 1:42:57.800
<v Speaker 2>was broadcast on Cartoon Network in two thousand and three,

1:42:58.280 --> 1:43:01.040
<v Speaker 2>and then after the network could see it wasn't that

1:43:01.160 --> 1:43:04.040
<v Speaker 2>big of a deal, it aired on Fox in two

1:43:04.080 --> 1:43:11.799
<v Speaker 2>thousand and four. Funnily enough, during Hanukkah. On the DVD extras,

1:43:11.840 --> 1:43:15.000
<v Speaker 2>there's a commentary track to this episode, featuring various crew members,

1:43:15.720 --> 1:43:18.840
<v Speaker 2>writer Ricky Blitt, and director Dan Povenmeier among them. I

1:43:18.840 --> 1:43:20.639
<v Speaker 2>found an article that was written about at the same

1:43:20.640 --> 1:43:23.840
<v Speaker 2>time as this that cited comments from that commentary track

1:43:23.880 --> 1:43:26.960
<v Speaker 2>without naming who said them. One, there's a few people

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<v Speaker 2>at business affairs at Fox who should absolutely be ashamed

1:43:29.920 --> 1:43:32.720
<v Speaker 2>of themselves, and I found it offensive. We could make

1:43:32.760 --> 1:43:37.400
<v Speaker 2>fun of every ethnic group but one which we've sure

1:43:37.520 --> 1:43:39.840
<v Speaker 2>learned that over the past couple of years, haven't we.

1:43:41.600 --> 1:43:44.120
<v Speaker 2>Also in the commentary, someone notes that seventy percent of

1:43:44.160 --> 1:43:47.880
<v Speaker 2>the show's writers are Jewish anyway. That episode also contained

1:43:47.880 --> 1:43:50.719
<v Speaker 2>a song I Need a Jew that used the melody

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<v Speaker 2>to when You Wish Upon a Star. A few years later,

1:43:53.680 --> 1:43:56.840
<v Speaker 2>in October two thousand and seven, the Born Company publishing house,

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<v Speaker 2>the sole owners of the copyright too when You Wish

1:43:59.240 --> 1:44:02.320
<v Speaker 2>Upon a Star, fired a lawsuit against several Fox Divisions,

1:44:02.400 --> 1:44:07.360
<v Speaker 2>cartoon network, McFarland's company, Fuzzy Door Productions, McFarland himself, and

1:44:07.439 --> 1:44:11.799
<v Speaker 2>composer Walter Murphy, claiming copyright infringement over the song, seeking

1:44:11.880 --> 1:44:16.479
<v Speaker 2>unspecified damages and to halt the program's distribution, claiming that

1:44:16.520 --> 1:44:20.320
<v Speaker 2>the offensive nature of the parody damaged their song's potential earnings.

1:44:20.640 --> 1:44:23.479
<v Speaker 2>The case dragged on for eighteen months before a judge

1:44:23.560 --> 1:44:26.160
<v Speaker 2>ruled that it was protected by a parody and that

1:44:26.200 --> 1:44:29.280
<v Speaker 2>there was no copyright infringement, So suck on that the

1:44:29.320 --> 1:44:30.200
<v Speaker 2>Born Company.

1:44:31.520 --> 1:44:35.560
<v Speaker 1>However, there is one Family Guy episode that still isn't available.

1:44:35.600 --> 1:44:37.080
<v Speaker 1>I didn't know this until reading this.

1:44:37.680 --> 1:44:39.800
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's probably it's out there. It's out there

1:44:40.200 --> 1:44:41.920
<v Speaker 2>on the internet, but not officially.

1:44:42.040 --> 1:44:47.639
<v Speaker 1>The intended season eighth finale partial Terms of Endearment, which, yeah,

1:44:48.320 --> 1:44:50.639
<v Speaker 1>as some of you may have Guessed is about abortion

1:44:50.880 --> 1:44:53.120
<v Speaker 1>and contains frank discussion.

1:44:52.680 --> 1:44:53.960
<v Speaker 2>And jokes about such.

1:44:55.080 --> 1:44:57.800
<v Speaker 1>Owing to this, the episode was never aired on either

1:44:57.840 --> 1:45:00.639
<v Speaker 1>Fox or Cartoon Network, wasn't put on the season eight

1:45:00.680 --> 1:45:04.599
<v Speaker 1>box set, and isn't available to stream on Hulu. It

1:45:04.640 --> 1:45:07.680
<v Speaker 1>is apparently for sale on Amazon Prime, however, as part

1:45:07.680 --> 1:45:10.000
<v Speaker 1>of a Family Guy package, and was aired in the

1:45:10.080 --> 1:45:14.080
<v Speaker 1>UK in June twenty ten. Then Fox Entertainment president Kevin

1:45:14.160 --> 1:45:17.679
<v Speaker 1>Riley told The New York Times that unsurprisingly, the decision

1:45:17.800 --> 1:45:21.920
<v Speaker 1>came down to money. It's an extremely fragile subject matter

1:45:22.000 --> 1:45:25.400
<v Speaker 1>at an extremely fragile economic time, Riley said, of all

1:45:25.439 --> 1:45:27.640
<v Speaker 1>the issues, this is the one that seems to be

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<v Speaker 1>the most of a hot button, particularly at that moment

1:45:30.680 --> 1:45:33.120
<v Speaker 1>in time. The economy was really struggling and there were

1:45:33.160 --> 1:45:35.839
<v Speaker 1>a lot of very tough conversations going on with clients.

1:45:36.680 --> 1:45:39.679
<v Speaker 1>Riley continued, it's very hard on the Family Guy's scale

1:45:39.760 --> 1:45:42.960
<v Speaker 1>to say this one was more offensive than anything else

1:45:43.000 --> 1:45:45.960
<v Speaker 1>they tackled, while allowing that he thought the subject was

1:45:46.040 --> 1:45:50.160
<v Speaker 1>quote handled well, but quote one felt like it could

1:45:50.200 --> 1:45:53.519
<v Speaker 1>cause trouble and it was just not worth it. The

1:45:53.560 --> 1:45:56.680
<v Speaker 1>episode's writer, Danny Smith, also told The Times that the

1:45:56.680 --> 1:45:59.960
<v Speaker 1>script didn't make waves among the admittedly mostly male right.

1:46:00.920 --> 1:46:04.200
<v Speaker 1>He said, we've had more spirited debates about whether or

1:46:04.240 --> 1:46:06.599
<v Speaker 1>not we should state whether Santa Claus is real.

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<v Speaker 2>I read that they did a table read of this

1:46:08.800 --> 1:46:11.760
<v Speaker 2>once it got shut down, and that it was well

1:46:11.840 --> 1:46:15.160
<v Speaker 2>received at the table read when wherever they did it with,

1:46:15.400 --> 1:46:19.880
<v Speaker 2>you know, I guess it passed some audience's smell test.

1:46:19.960 --> 1:46:23.559
<v Speaker 2>But do they have audiences for table reads? They do

1:46:23.600 --> 1:46:26.320
<v Speaker 2>them well, they'll do them, they'll do them sometimes they'll

1:46:26.479 --> 1:46:29.639
<v Speaker 2>do them as an event. But it was during COVID

1:46:29.640 --> 1:46:32.040
<v Speaker 2>when it started just being like a virtual thing that

1:46:32.080 --> 1:46:34.120
<v Speaker 2>people did because it wasn't a table read for like

1:46:34.160 --> 1:46:37.080
<v Speaker 2>rehearsing it. Do you want to come to see the

1:46:37.120 --> 1:46:39.920
<v Speaker 2>Family Guy cast do a table read of this episode?

1:46:40.320 --> 1:46:42.280
<v Speaker 2>I would like to see that. That'd be cool. Yeah,

1:46:42.400 --> 1:46:43.439
<v Speaker 2>that would be fun for me.

1:46:44.600 --> 1:46:47.920
<v Speaker 1>But Farland also gave an eerily prescient quote in that

1:46:47.960 --> 1:46:51.639
<v Speaker 1>aforementioned New York Times article saying people in America they're

1:46:51.640 --> 1:46:54.599
<v Speaker 1>getting dumber. They're getting less and less able to analyze

1:46:54.640 --> 1:46:57.759
<v Speaker 1>something and think critically and pick apart the underlying elements,

1:46:58.160 --> 1:47:00.000
<v Speaker 1>and more and more ready to make a snap judge

1:47:00.200 --> 1:47:03.760
<v Speaker 1>regarding something at face value, which is too bad. You

1:47:03.880 --> 1:47:06.439
<v Speaker 1>really see, you know, his love of Archie Bunker and

1:47:06.520 --> 1:47:08.800
<v Speaker 1>all in the family. In something like this where you

1:47:08.840 --> 1:47:12.400
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't be able to have a character who says a

1:47:12.439 --> 1:47:15.479
<v Speaker 1>bad thing on air, even though the character is saying

1:47:15.520 --> 1:47:18.559
<v Speaker 1>the bad thing, is meant to demonstrate how ridiculous his

1:47:18.640 --> 1:47:20.720
<v Speaker 1>beliefs are. The fact that he said the bad thing

1:47:20.760 --> 1:47:21.160
<v Speaker 1>on air.

1:47:21.479 --> 1:47:23.360
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's part of what I've heard. I saw

1:47:23.439 --> 1:47:27.240
<v Speaker 2>to get termed depiction as endorsement, oh, which is like

1:47:28.080 --> 1:47:31.920
<v Speaker 2>become a watchword lately because apparently, like the Zoomers, there's

1:47:31.920 --> 1:47:34.400
<v Speaker 2>all these people who get super angry on Twitter when

1:47:34.479 --> 1:47:39.160
<v Speaker 2>like they're like, you expect me to watch this movie

1:47:39.280 --> 1:47:42.960
<v Speaker 2>where this character does this, this and this, and it's like, yeah,

1:47:42.960 --> 1:47:45.280
<v Speaker 2>it's a movie, the character is a bad person. It's

1:47:45.280 --> 1:47:48.360
<v Speaker 2>not really actually happening, you know. So this idea of

1:47:48.479 --> 1:47:51.960
<v Speaker 2>like just because it's depicted, it's offensive and terrible, where

1:47:51.960 --> 1:47:54.599
<v Speaker 2>it's like you're completely ignoring the point that the movie

1:47:54.640 --> 1:47:58.439
<v Speaker 2>is trying to make about either the character or the issue.

1:47:59.080 --> 1:48:01.200
<v Speaker 2>But I thought that was just put rather succinctly. I

1:48:01.320 --> 1:48:04.559
<v Speaker 2>liked it. Depiction endorsement by depiction.

1:48:05.120 --> 1:48:06.120
<v Speaker 1>I like that. I never heard that.

1:48:06.400 --> 1:48:08.280
<v Speaker 2>Well, now put on to a lighter subject.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, nine to eleven.

1:48:12.240 --> 1:48:17.520
<v Speaker 2>What is it and what can it do for you?

1:48:17.520 --> 1:48:18.920
<v Speaker 2>You better keep that one.

1:48:19.160 --> 1:48:21.479
<v Speaker 1>We're about to get to a fairly well known bit

1:48:21.520 --> 1:48:24.519
<v Speaker 1>of law about Seth MacFarlane on September eleventh, two thousand

1:48:24.560 --> 1:48:27.040
<v Speaker 1>and one, who's booked to fly from Boston to Los

1:48:27.080 --> 1:48:31.160
<v Speaker 1>Angeles on American Airlines Flight eleven, but it's travel agent

1:48:31.200 --> 1:48:33.559
<v Speaker 1>had mistakenly told him that the flight left at eight

1:48:33.680 --> 1:48:37.200
<v Speaker 1>fifteen and not seven forty five. He talks about this

1:48:37.280 --> 1:48:39.400
<v Speaker 1>a lot, pretty much, everyone asks us about this. Here's

1:48:39.439 --> 1:48:42.400
<v Speaker 1>what he told MPR. I'm a perpetually late person. In

1:48:42.439 --> 1:48:44.599
<v Speaker 1>every flight that takes off, you have to figure that

1:48:44.680 --> 1:48:47.320
<v Speaker 1>somebody's going to miss the flight or somebody's late. And

1:48:47.400 --> 1:48:49.479
<v Speaker 1>on top of that, who knows how many times a

1:48:49.560 --> 1:48:51.760
<v Speaker 1>day we've had similar close calls? Is the one I

1:48:51.840 --> 1:48:54.439
<v Speaker 1>had this morning crossing the street. If I'd cross five

1:48:54.439 --> 1:48:56.200
<v Speaker 1>minutes later, I would have been hit by a car.

1:48:56.240 --> 1:48:57.280
<v Speaker 2>Who knows so?

1:48:57.360 --> 1:48:59.960
<v Speaker 1>In my case, obviously the day itself was a tragedy

1:49:00.080 --> 1:49:02.920
<v Speaker 1>in a disaster. But if we're just talking about my case,

1:49:03.160 --> 1:49:05.200
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't strike me as something that I'm attaching an

1:49:05.280 --> 1:49:09.160
<v Speaker 1>unbelievable amount of significance to because of those reasons, because

1:49:09.160 --> 1:49:14.960
<v Speaker 1>I missed a bunch of flights, I disagree in this scenario,

1:49:15.400 --> 1:49:16.400
<v Speaker 1>that would stick with me.

1:49:17.080 --> 1:49:19.519
<v Speaker 2>Well, Jordan, maybe one day you failed to make a

1:49:19.520 --> 1:49:21.960
<v Speaker 2>flight that'll be hijacked and then we'll see how you feel.

1:49:22.320 --> 1:49:25.400
<v Speaker 2>Can anyone do that, Jamie, Jamie, Jamie can arrange it.

1:49:26.000 --> 1:49:27.160
<v Speaker 2>Can we arrange that for Jordan?

1:49:27.880 --> 1:49:29.559
<v Speaker 1>I can tell you right now that would that would

1:49:29.600 --> 1:49:32.439
<v Speaker 1>stick with me. Well, I told you the story about

1:49:32.439 --> 1:49:33.240
<v Speaker 1>my aunt.

1:49:33.439 --> 1:49:35.960
<v Speaker 2>Right. You're telling a lot of stories on this episode,

1:49:36.400 --> 1:49:36.840
<v Speaker 2>so I know.

1:49:36.840 --> 1:49:39.360
<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry everybody. I know we've got I.

1:49:39.360 --> 1:49:41.519
<v Speaker 2>Think you should tell the story about when the plane

1:49:41.560 --> 1:49:44.400
<v Speaker 2>you were on started to go down.

1:49:44.840 --> 1:49:47.639
<v Speaker 1>Oh that was bad. I've told that story. Oh yeah,

1:49:47.640 --> 1:49:49.880
<v Speaker 1>I wrote I wrote a love note on an airsickness

1:49:49.880 --> 1:49:52.280
<v Speaker 1>bag to a girl I like the time. Yeah, that

1:49:52.360 --> 1:49:52.760
<v Speaker 1>was bad.

1:49:53.400 --> 1:49:54.960
<v Speaker 2>It was more about the guy next to you who

1:49:54.960 --> 1:49:57.120
<v Speaker 2>grabbed your hand and was screaming.

1:49:57.320 --> 1:50:00.360
<v Speaker 1>That was a different No, He's just that was a

1:50:00.360 --> 1:50:03.200
<v Speaker 1>different flight when the turbulence was really bad. I hate

1:50:03.200 --> 1:50:05.519
<v Speaker 1>to fly, I really hate to fly, and apparently so

1:50:05.600 --> 1:50:07.840
<v Speaker 1>did this man because he just kept grabbing my hand.

1:50:08.160 --> 1:50:08.879
<v Speaker 2>Total stranger.

1:50:08.880 --> 1:50:11.240
<v Speaker 1>We hadn't spoken to each other the entire flight, and

1:50:11.240 --> 1:50:14.200
<v Speaker 1>then when I looked at him with a quizzical look

1:50:14.240 --> 1:50:15.960
<v Speaker 1>in my face, he said, I'm just gonna hold your

1:50:16.000 --> 1:50:19.559
<v Speaker 1>hand as a statement of intent.

1:50:20.200 --> 1:50:26.360
<v Speaker 2>Is that happens to you, Yeah, it really is. Yeah. No,

1:50:26.439 --> 1:50:29.240
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, man. I mean, like, I try not

1:50:29.320 --> 1:50:31.519
<v Speaker 2>to read into shit like that because that'll make you

1:50:31.560 --> 1:50:32.240
<v Speaker 2>go insane.

1:50:32.640 --> 1:50:36.200
<v Speaker 1>You know. I think I think it's his atheism peeking through,

1:50:36.400 --> 1:50:38.920
<v Speaker 1>he said to the av club. I'm not a fatalist.

1:50:38.920 --> 1:50:41.360
<v Speaker 1>I'm not a religious person. What I felt more than

1:50:41.400 --> 1:50:44.400
<v Speaker 1>anything else was gratitude towards my travel agent for screwing

1:50:44.479 --> 1:50:47.320
<v Speaker 1>up my itinerary. It didn't change my perspective on what

1:50:47.360 --> 1:50:49.960
<v Speaker 1>I do or anything like that. I couldn't really let it.

1:50:50.240 --> 1:50:53.559
<v Speaker 1>If anything, I started drinking more, which, speaking of which

1:50:53.600 --> 1:50:55.479
<v Speaker 1>I thought, I read he was hungover and that was

1:50:55.520 --> 1:50:57.519
<v Speaker 1>why he was running late and missing the flight. But

1:50:57.560 --> 1:50:59.599
<v Speaker 1>I guess two things can be true at the same time.

1:50:59.720 --> 1:51:01.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly. But no, I told you.

1:51:01.640 --> 1:51:06.439
<v Speaker 1>My grandmother very very Catholic, so she would kind of

1:51:06.560 --> 1:51:10.120
<v Speaker 1>try to reject anything that sort of smacked of the occult.

1:51:10.200 --> 1:51:12.360
<v Speaker 1>But she would claim that she would have these these

1:51:12.439 --> 1:51:16.559
<v Speaker 1>kind of psychic visions or dreams and she had a dream.

1:51:16.960 --> 1:51:19.559
<v Speaker 1>So the night before her oldest daughter was supposed to

1:51:19.600 --> 1:51:20.760
<v Speaker 1>go with friends on.

1:51:21.120 --> 1:51:22.880
<v Speaker 2>A college to Oh you told me this story.

1:51:23.120 --> 1:51:24.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Well they were going to go on a college

1:51:24.760 --> 1:51:28.439
<v Speaker 1>tour and with friends, and the night before my grandmother

1:51:28.479 --> 1:51:31.240
<v Speaker 1>had a dream of Jesus on the horseback riding up

1:51:31.240 --> 1:51:35.799
<v Speaker 1>to her and shaking his head and somehow intimato, don't

1:51:35.880 --> 1:51:38.599
<v Speaker 1>let She somehow took this to mean that she shouldn't

1:51:38.680 --> 1:51:40.960
<v Speaker 1>let her daughter go on this trip. And so the

1:51:41.000 --> 1:51:44.240
<v Speaker 1>next morning, when like my aunt or daughter was about

1:51:44.320 --> 1:51:46.160
<v Speaker 1>to leave, she's like, no, you can't go. I'm sorry,

1:51:46.200 --> 1:51:48.200
<v Speaker 1>I just have a really bad feeling. And my aunt

1:51:48.400 --> 1:51:50.719
<v Speaker 1>was all pissed off and went storming off to her room.

1:51:50.840 --> 1:51:54.160
<v Speaker 1>And then later that day, the car that her friends

1:51:54.280 --> 1:51:57.120
<v Speaker 1>were driving in was hit by a semi on a

1:51:57.160 --> 1:51:59.639
<v Speaker 1>bridge and went off the bridge and everybody in the car.

1:52:00.040 --> 1:52:02.240
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if they drowned or died a blunt

1:52:02.320 --> 1:52:04.160
<v Speaker 1>force impact or what, but they all died.

1:52:04.640 --> 1:52:05.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't know.

1:52:05.640 --> 1:52:07.679
<v Speaker 1>I've had a few instances of my life where those

1:52:07.720 --> 1:52:10.880
<v Speaker 1>things that you know, kind of can't be explained that

1:52:11.040 --> 1:52:13.600
<v Speaker 1>I don't I don't have strong feelings on what was

1:52:13.600 --> 1:52:16.040
<v Speaker 1>at play. But I have to admit that it was weird,

1:52:16.520 --> 1:52:18.720
<v Speaker 1>and I find this weird. I find it weird that

1:52:19.080 --> 1:52:19.880
<v Speaker 1>narrowly miss.

1:52:19.800 --> 1:52:22.240
<v Speaker 2>You're perfectly You're perfectly entitled to.

1:52:23.640 --> 1:52:26.160
<v Speaker 1>But you know what, it wasn't my experience to have,

1:52:26.280 --> 1:52:28.479
<v Speaker 1>So Seth can feel about it anyway he wants.

1:52:28.800 --> 1:52:34.640
<v Speaker 2>That's right, right, that's right. I'm just reminded of the

1:52:34.680 --> 1:52:38.760
<v Speaker 2>one Anthony Gizelnick joke that I liked, which was, you know,

1:52:38.800 --> 1:52:40.880
<v Speaker 2>my mother was actually supposed to be on one of

1:52:40.920 --> 1:52:46.200
<v Speaker 2>the flights for nine to eleven. I think, yeah, to

1:52:46.200 --> 1:52:48.840
<v Speaker 2>delay it's a delayed burn, which is one of the

1:52:48.880 --> 1:52:53.479
<v Speaker 2>things I like about it. Am I talking to you?

1:52:53.520 --> 1:52:54.880
<v Speaker 2>Talkingou what's going on?

1:52:55.200 --> 1:52:59.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? But what's interesting about Seth macfarlan and nine to

1:52:59.040 --> 1:53:02.200
<v Speaker 1>eleven other than this flight thing, was that Family Guy

1:53:02.240 --> 1:53:05.320
<v Speaker 1>had aired a gag about Osama bin Lauden two years

1:53:05.360 --> 1:53:08.640
<v Speaker 1>before the nine to eleven attacks, which I had no

1:53:08.720 --> 1:53:11.320
<v Speaker 1>idea who Osama bin Laden was before September eleven, two

1:53:11.320 --> 1:53:12.920
<v Speaker 1>thousand and one. So that's shocking to me.

1:53:13.240 --> 1:53:16.479
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I mean, well, you're about to explain what

1:53:16.479 --> 1:53:20.400
<v Speaker 2>what I wrote, So do that you think it's a joke.

1:53:20.600 --> 1:53:23.400
<v Speaker 1>In the first of Family Guys tributes to the Bing

1:53:23.479 --> 1:53:27.599
<v Speaker 1>Crosby Bob Hope Road to Blank series, in which they

1:53:27.680 --> 1:53:31.679
<v Speaker 1>joke about Osama bin Laden distracting airport security by singing

1:53:31.720 --> 1:53:34.760
<v Speaker 1>I hope I get it from a chorus line. That

1:53:34.840 --> 1:53:38.360
<v Speaker 1>episode was broadcast in May two thousand as part of

1:53:38.400 --> 1:53:41.960
<v Speaker 1>the show's second season. I can't believe, like it's just

1:53:42.000 --> 1:53:43.800
<v Speaker 1>such a weird target for.

1:53:44.040 --> 1:53:46.760
<v Speaker 2>It is it is, But you know, because I am

1:53:46.920 --> 1:53:49.679
<v Speaker 2>having disease, I went the extra mile and figured out

1:53:49.840 --> 1:53:51.040
<v Speaker 2>why exactly, Oh.

1:53:50.920 --> 1:53:52.519
<v Speaker 1>Tell us, tell us, I would love to know why.

1:53:52.640 --> 1:53:54.960
<v Speaker 2>So Family Guy is on a ten to fourteen month

1:53:55.040 --> 1:53:57.680
<v Speaker 2>production schedule, meaning that for a joke to air in

1:53:57.720 --> 1:54:00.639
<v Speaker 2>a May two thousand episode. I think this gag would

1:54:00.640 --> 1:54:03.320
<v Speaker 2>have originated when the FBI added bin Laden to the

1:54:03.360 --> 1:54:06.559
<v Speaker 2>ten most Wanted Fugitives list. They did that because of

1:54:06.600 --> 1:54:09.160
<v Speaker 2>his involvement in both the nineteen ninety three World Trade

1:54:09.160 --> 1:54:13.120
<v Speaker 2>Center bombing and the August ninety ninety eight bombings of

1:54:13.240 --> 1:54:18.040
<v Speaker 2>US embassies in East Africa, but this happened before bin

1:54:18.120 --> 1:54:22.400
<v Speaker 2>Lawden's attack on the USS coal which ramped up his

1:54:22.479 --> 1:54:26.800
<v Speaker 2>notoriety in the United States, particularly that happened in October

1:54:26.840 --> 1:54:29.840
<v Speaker 2>of two thousand, so a little over four months after

1:54:29.880 --> 1:54:34.520
<v Speaker 2>this episode aired. So Seth MacFarland had clocked Bin Laden

1:54:34.640 --> 1:54:39.560
<v Speaker 2>from before Bush, did you've made it there before I did?

1:54:39.680 --> 1:54:42.160
<v Speaker 2>I was going to say, Seth MacFarland had been Laden

1:54:42.200 --> 1:54:48.080
<v Speaker 2>on his radar long before Norad did, and then before

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<v Speaker 2>being turned off by George W. Bush. Yours was better? Well,

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<v Speaker 2>that was more succinct. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I know we could accused of patenting ourselves on the

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<v Speaker 1>back and laughing at our own jokes, but folks, if

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<v Speaker 1>we can't amuse ourselves. Folks, we're doing this in a vacuum.

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<v Speaker 1>We have to laugh at each other otherwise, otherwise what

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<v Speaker 1>do we have. If we were doing this on stage,

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<v Speaker 1>we would probably laugh less at each other because we've

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<v Speaker 1>got the crowd out there that gives us that feedback

1:55:12.480 --> 1:55:14.920
<v Speaker 1>We need to have feedback to, like play off of,

1:55:15.320 --> 1:55:20.440
<v Speaker 1>or else we're just reading. Yeah. So this gag was

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<v Speaker 1>included in the episode when it was aired pre nine eleven,

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<v Speaker 1>but obviously in the wake of the attacks, it was

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<v Speaker 1>cut from re airings and also from the DVD. MacFarland

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<v Speaker 1>told IGN in two thousand and three, the more I

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<v Speaker 1>feel this question, the more I feel like it should

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<v Speaker 1>have been left in the joke. My argument was, well, look,

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<v Speaker 1>I missed that flight by ten minutes, and I'm okay

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<v Speaker 1>with putting it on. It's an interesting piece of entertainment history,

1:55:41.480 --> 1:55:45.320
<v Speaker 1>and it was made two years before nine to eleven. McFarland, however,

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<v Speaker 1>did not support the joke remaining on air after the

1:55:47.960 --> 1:55:50.760
<v Speaker 1>nine to eleven attacks. He said that episode reaired or

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<v Speaker 1>was supposed to re air, not too long after September eleventh,

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<v Speaker 1>and in that context, I fully supported them cutting that

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<v Speaker 1>joke out. It would be suicide to air that, especially

1:55:58.960 --> 1:56:01.720
<v Speaker 1>for people who hadn't seen the first airing and didn't

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<v Speaker 1>know that it was an old joke from years earlier.

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<v Speaker 1>They would think that we made it the joke after

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<v Speaker 1>September eleventh, and that would have just been disastrous. This

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<v Speaker 1>isn't the only time that the show has predicted in

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<v Speaker 1>quote something. A two thousand and nine episode joked about

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<v Speaker 1>Bruce Jenner's vagina, six years before Jenner announced their transition

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<v Speaker 1>to Caitlin. What is the context.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, and I don't want to know. Yeah, yeah,

1:56:24.120 --> 1:56:27.960
<v Speaker 2>but just they made a joke about Bruce Jenner's vagina

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<v Speaker 2>and then one day she got one, and she's very

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<v Speaker 2>brave for it, despite still being like a southern California Republican.

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<v Speaker 2>Were you people when that Vanity fair cover came out? No,

1:56:42.360 --> 1:56:44.680
<v Speaker 2>it was a couple of years before. Oh man, Yeah,

1:56:44.720 --> 1:56:46.640
<v Speaker 2>that was like a bomb went off in the office.

1:56:46.760 --> 1:56:49.760
<v Speaker 1>One thing that threw a wrinkle into Family Guy's equal

1:56:49.760 --> 1:56:53.680
<v Speaker 1>opportunity offenders stance was Disney's acquisition of twentieth Century Fox

1:56:54.000 --> 1:56:57.400
<v Speaker 1>in twenty nineteen show on Our richa pel Toil the

1:56:57.440 --> 1:57:00.680
<v Speaker 1>Hollywood Reporter that Disney owns so many properties that I

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<v Speaker 1>will find myself making legal arguments that I know are

1:57:03.160 --> 1:57:05.480
<v Speaker 1>winners about parody and why we can get away with

1:57:05.520 --> 1:57:08.280
<v Speaker 1>certain things. But then the question becomes, well, that may

1:57:08.360 --> 1:57:10.640
<v Speaker 1>be rich, but Marvel doesn't want to see its character

1:57:10.640 --> 1:57:13.680
<v Speaker 1>portrayed in this light. And I've sometimes said, well what

1:57:13.720 --> 1:57:15.720
<v Speaker 1>if we just air it and see what happens, and

1:57:15.760 --> 1:57:18.160
<v Speaker 1>they'll answer, no, that's not how we work.

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<v Speaker 2>Finally, as those of you on TikTok and those of

1:57:21.200 --> 1:57:24.360
<v Speaker 2>you who get your TikTok content via Twitter or Instagram

1:57:24.960 --> 1:57:30.520
<v Speaker 2>may know, Family Guy has had a startling second life online. Jordan.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, my fourteenth year of professional writing was this year.

1:57:36.520 --> 1:57:39.120
<v Speaker 2>I don't know where you're at But I don't really

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<v Speaker 2>recall Family Guy being huge in like meme culture in

1:57:44.520 --> 1:57:50.200
<v Speaker 2>like the early days, like twenty twelve, thirteen, twenty fourteen.

1:57:50.240 --> 1:57:52.440
<v Speaker 2>I don't remember it being part of the like meme

1:57:52.520 --> 1:57:55.160
<v Speaker 2>ecosystem at that time. I guess I agree with you.

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<v Speaker 2>That was early days, and most a lot of it

1:57:57.800 --> 1:57:59.880
<v Speaker 2>was still just like you know, bad luck Brian or

1:58:00.080 --> 1:58:03.240
<v Speaker 2>like success Toddler, like clenched fizz Toddler. Like. It was

1:58:03.320 --> 1:58:08.000
<v Speaker 2>that more than people like trying to remix pop cultural stuff.

1:58:08.040 --> 1:58:11.680
<v Speaker 2>But man, this TikTok stuff is really out there and

1:58:11.840 --> 1:58:13.720
<v Speaker 2>I'm looking forward to explaining it to you. But give

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<v Speaker 2>us a little background. First.

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<v Speaker 1>Family Guy's online profile was raised considerably after November twenty fourth,

1:58:19.440 --> 1:58:23.320
<v Speaker 1>twenty thirteen, when The Family Guy killed off Brian. Fans

1:58:23.360 --> 1:58:25.520
<v Speaker 1>of the show responded to Brian's death with calls to

1:58:25.520 --> 1:58:30.640
<v Speaker 1>bring the character back alive bring him back Alive, including

1:58:30.680 --> 1:58:33.920
<v Speaker 1>a change dot org petition titled Seth MacFarlane and Fox

1:58:33.960 --> 1:58:37.880
<v Speaker 1>Broadcasting Company Bring Brian Griffin Back to Family Guy, and

1:58:37.920 --> 1:58:41.000
<v Speaker 1>a Facebook petition named Petition to Get Brian Griffin Back,

1:58:41.640 --> 1:58:43.960
<v Speaker 1>and a similar protest that took place on Twitter under

1:58:44.000 --> 1:58:46.120
<v Speaker 1>the hashtag bring back Brian.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like hundreds of thousands of people, by the.

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<v Speaker 1>Way, I mean, they all must have known that this

1:58:52.760 --> 1:58:55.800
<v Speaker 1>was no. Three weeks later the show ret conned it

1:58:56.520 --> 1:58:58.680
<v Speaker 1>or fixed it. I'd never heard that word.

1:58:58.840 --> 1:59:02.160
<v Speaker 2>Oh really, no, oh man, redcn is. I think it

1:59:02.160 --> 1:59:04.600
<v Speaker 2>first came out of comics because they're always just bringing

1:59:04.600 --> 1:59:07.280
<v Speaker 2>people back by some mean or another, but really crossed over.

1:59:07.840 --> 1:59:10.880
<v Speaker 2>I think more popular culture when like with like all

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<v Speaker 2>of these franchises and recasting actors and like Marvel stuff

1:59:14.320 --> 1:59:16.400
<v Speaker 2>where they're like, oh, yeah, that guy we like set

1:59:16.480 --> 1:59:18.760
<v Speaker 2>up to be a way bigger deal in that early

1:59:18.920 --> 1:59:21.240
<v Speaker 2>movie that we haven't followed through on it anyway, Like

1:59:21.480 --> 1:59:23.760
<v Speaker 2>turns out he went back to his home planet and died.

1:59:24.240 --> 1:59:28.839
<v Speaker 2>It's so yeah, retroactive continuity, redcarm okay.

1:59:29.160 --> 1:59:32.120
<v Speaker 1>Perhaps obviously given the lead time of the show's production,

1:59:32.240 --> 1:59:35.000
<v Speaker 1>McFarlane tweeted that the writers had never intended to kill

1:59:35.000 --> 1:59:38.000
<v Speaker 1>off Brian permanently. He would say that the plot was

1:59:38.040 --> 1:59:41.200
<v Speaker 1>intended to remind viewers to never take those you love

1:59:41.320 --> 1:59:44.400
<v Speaker 1>for granted, because they can be gone in a flash.

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<v Speaker 2>How did Brian die again? Hit back car? Oh yeah,

1:59:48.360 --> 1:59:50.600
<v Speaker 2>had he come back? I didn't watch these I was

1:59:50.680 --> 1:59:52.880
<v Speaker 2>not watching the show by this point, but I read

1:59:52.920 --> 1:59:55.800
<v Speaker 2>the Wikipedia. Stewie finds a version of himself with a

1:59:55.880 --> 1:59:59.480
<v Speaker 2>time machine and forces that version of himself to go

1:59:59.560 --> 2:00:02.000
<v Speaker 2>back and time. I'm in save Brian, Okay, all out?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I didn't realize this until researching this episode. William H.

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<v Speaker 1>Macy was initially floated as the voice of Brian, but

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<v Speaker 1>he was turned down because this was you know, in

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<v Speaker 1>the early days. They had but fifty thousand dollars to

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<v Speaker 1>make an episode in one room, and they didn't have

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<v Speaker 1>the budget seth MacFarland was getting his sister to voice Meg,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was doing all the rest of the voices.

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<v Speaker 1>McFarlan later, that's a great quote, it is.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>McFarland later said, what kind of an arrogant must I

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<v Speaker 1>have been to look at this great actor and say

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<v Speaker 1>I think I can do this better?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? I mean that was a common tactic with shows

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<v Speaker 2>around this area. Like, you know, they cast Danny DeVito

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<v Speaker 2>in the in the second season of It's Always Sunny

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<v Speaker 2>because they wanted to bring in a celebrity to anchor

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<v Speaker 2>the show. They knew it was good and wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>keep it up, but they were like, you need a

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<v Speaker 2>recognizable face. In here, a number of standalone gags became

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<v Speaker 2>enduring meme templates that people still use as well. If

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<v Speaker 2>you're on Twitter, you'll see the Peppers Farm remembers one

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<v Speaker 2>the cutaway gag in which has a segment on local

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<v Speaker 2>news called what really grinds My gears? I remember that

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<v Speaker 2>the phrase I need an adult, which actually dates back

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<v Speaker 2>to like these anti child abuse PSAs in the eighties.

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<v Speaker 2>That's certainly where McFarlane remembered them from, but it was

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<v Speaker 2>resurrected by the show early in like the year two

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<v Speaker 2>thousand and also, Damn Nature, You Scary. Apparently, Google interest

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<v Speaker 2>in the show peaked between October two thousand and eight

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<v Speaker 2>and March two thousand and nine. This is interesting it

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<v Speaker 2>coincides with the show's seventh season, which featured holdover episodes

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<v Speaker 2>from the sixth season, which was cut short due to

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<v Speaker 2>the two thousand and seven two thousand and eight Writers

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<v Speaker 2>Guild of America strike. Although Fox aired episodes in defiance

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<v Speaker 2>of Seth MacFarlane, which he got very mad about. That

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<v Speaker 2>season also included an episode that inspired the Venezuelan government

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<v Speaker 2>to ban Family Guy for twenty is the name of

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<v Speaker 2>the episode in which Brian attempts to legalize pot in Cohog.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the one where they do like a stoner version

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<v Speaker 1>of the Chitty Chitty Bang Bang song me Ol Bamboo

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<v Speaker 1>if I remember correctly.

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<v Speaker 2>Sounds about right. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>As a result of that episode, High Times the esteemed

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<v Speaker 1>marijuana publication stowed upon Brian Griffin. It's Stoner of the

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<v Speaker 1>Year title in two thousand and nine. Anyway, the show

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<v Speaker 1>is also banned in Indonesia, Vietnam, Iraq, Egypt, Taiwan, South Korea,

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<v Speaker 1>South Africa, and Malaysia.

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<v Speaker 2>South Korea.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually that surprises me, Iraq not so much.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean it's weird considering I think, like I've

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<v Speaker 2>definitely seen like Korean people rolling around with really cool

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<v Speaker 2>outfits with like Peter Griffin on them.

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<v Speaker 1>So isn't it animated there too? Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean so much stuff is yeah over there because

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<v Speaker 2>it's non union jobs. What was I talking about? Oh? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>But this is interesting though, because I think it peaked

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<v Speaker 2>in search Oni in between October two thousand and eight

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<v Speaker 2>and March two thousand and nine. Jordan, you used to

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<v Speaker 2>work for Celebrity Rag like I did. What is that season? Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's a ward show season.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So the seventh season was nominated for a Primetime

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<v Speaker 2>Emmy Award for Outstanding Comedy Series that year, making Family

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<v Speaker 2>Guy the first animated series to be nominated in that

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<v Speaker 2>category since The Flintstones in nineteen sixty one in one,

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<v Speaker 2>and it has since won eight more Primetime enemy.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I mean that makes sense why people would

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<v Speaker 2>be looking for it during award show season, being like, Wow,

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<v Speaker 2>did this really break this record? Blah blah blah blah blah. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>finally we're getting into TikTok, so the show's current prominence

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<v Speaker 2>as part of it, or at least where I've been seeing.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if it's still used on TikTok, but

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<v Speaker 2>where I started seeing its surface on TikTok was in

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<v Speaker 2>like twenty two to twenty three, and that is indeed

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<v Speaker 2>when it started. It's going to get deep and weird,

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<v Speaker 2>so bear with me. A lot of this has to

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<v Speaker 2>do with copyright strikes, like how people would avoid people

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<v Speaker 2>would put post clips like show clip roundups to YouTube,

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<v Speaker 2>will like insert random audio at points or different non

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<v Speaker 2>sequarters to throw off the copyright bots. But beginning in

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<v Speaker 2>mid November twenty twenty two, Family Guy clip channels on

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<v Speaker 2>TikTok began using a series of videos that showed a

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<v Speaker 2>man putting various objects, including cigarettes and carrots, into a

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<v Speaker 2>metal pipe as part of the repair process, and while

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<v Speaker 2>under or over in a split screen format family Guy clips,

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<v Speaker 2>so you're getting this bizarre two screen rendering of something

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<v Speaker 2>completely unrelated and family Guy clips at the bottom. So

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<v Speaker 2>there were least three prominent family Guy accounts that did this.

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<v Speaker 2>The first posting was on November ninth, twenty twenty two.

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<v Speaker 2>It got over twenty six thousand plays in a month.

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<v Speaker 2>And then because the popularity of those search terms of

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<v Speaker 2>family Guy pipe, TikTok's algorithm actually glitched, so it wound

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<v Speaker 2>up suggesting the phrase family Guy pipeline incident, which is

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<v Speaker 2>a corruption of those search terms in everybody's related search

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<v Speaker 2>bars and comments. So everybody started being like, what the

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<v Speaker 2>hell is the family Guy pipeline incident? And they start

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<v Speaker 2>searching for it more so it becomes this whole or

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<v Speaker 2>boros of like a predictive search algorithm glitches, and then

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<v Speaker 2>more people start searching for that term than the original

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<v Speaker 2>search thing, so that I think started it. And then

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<v Speaker 2>thanks to the helpful folks over it know your meme.

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<v Speaker 2>We can actually trace the progression of Family Guy posting

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<v Speaker 2>over the next two month, as like you would track

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<v Speaker 2>a spore, fungus or something. So November twentieth, twenty twenty two,

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<v Speaker 2>TikToker Popperball nine posted a Family Guy clip video featuring

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<v Speaker 2>multiple layers of other videos layered across it to deliberately

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<v Speaker 2>do a kind of meta reference to how people evade

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<v Speaker 2>the platform's copyright claim system, and then over the course

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<v Speaker 2>of twenty two days, that video got three point nine

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<v Speaker 2>million plays. December second, twenty twenty two, another TikTok poster

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<v Speaker 2>hosted the first known Family Guy jump scare video, which

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<v Speaker 2>is it features just normal clips from the show and

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<v Speaker 2>then all of the sudden, like a scary face will

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<v Speaker 2>come out and scream at you and the volume will distort.

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<v Speaker 2>Although they did one that just said George Bush did

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<v Speaker 2>nine to eleven that I really liked, and then from

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<v Speaker 2>there that mutates into what we call overstimulation content or

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<v Speaker 2>a subset of ADHD posting. This is a trend with

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<v Speaker 2>like these poor zoomers whose brains have been fried from

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<v Speaker 2>jump with phones. They post the same split screen format.

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<v Speaker 2>It'll either be a screen recording of their phone where

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<v Speaker 2>Family Guy is playing on one half of it, and

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<v Speaker 2>then they're playing Subway Surfers or another like low cost

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<v Speaker 2>mobile game in the other half of the phone. So

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<v Speaker 2>they either post screen recordings of that or they post

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<v Speaker 2>pictures of themselves doing that while watching TV. And this

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<v Speaker 2>is the craziest thing. Subway Surfers became like the mobile

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<v Speaker 2>game of choice for this meme structure which I remember

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<v Speaker 2>playing in like twenty eleven. That became popular because there

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<v Speaker 2>was a guy who was using TikTok's text to voice

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<v Speaker 2>feature to narrate content from Reddit and to avoid copyright

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<v Speaker 2>strikes from Reddit or seo creeping, he posted it in

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<v Speaker 2>the split screen format while Subway Surfers or Minecraft played

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<v Speaker 2>in the background. So this guy is using Subway Surfers

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<v Speaker 2>to duck Reddit copyright or Reddit strike claims by spamming

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<v Speaker 2>Subway Surfers in the background. And then the same guy

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<v Speaker 2>sees how popular Family Guy is becoming and becomes one

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<v Speaker 2>of the original accounts posting Family Guy Subway Surfer clips

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<v Speaker 2>in December of twenty twenty two, so that from mid

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<v Speaker 2>November to December twenty twenty two, this thing has already

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<v Speaker 2>become a trend, a trend people are tweaking, and a

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<v Speaker 2>trend people have now built on by showing how they're

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<v Speaker 2>unable to pay attention to anything. Then I mean, this

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<v Speaker 2>is this is what I find. So it's fascinating from

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<v Speaker 2>an academic standpoint because it's just like it's like the

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<v Speaker 2>study of culture. It's like how this stuff or viruses,

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<v Speaker 2>like how this stuff would you know, move through these

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<v Speaker 2>move through these ecosystems. So I don't know if you've

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<v Speaker 2>seen the boring or long as hell phrase like this

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<v Speaker 2>move this funeral, boring, boring a hell? Have you seen that?

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<v Speaker 1>I am like a new born child hearing all.

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<v Speaker 2>This, So like a ton of TikTok slang, which I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think we should let these kids get away with.

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<v Speaker 2>Boring ass is taken from aa VE or African American

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<v Speaker 2>vernacular English, Like half of TikTok slang is stolen from

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<v Speaker 2>Black people used to say it's supposed to sound like

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<v Speaker 2>ass with like a stereotypical quote black scent. So instead

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<v Speaker 2>of seeing boring ass that they avoid the curse by

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<v Speaker 2>saying boring as. So you can find instances of it

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<v Speaker 2>being called but people say boring at and like Twitter

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<v Speaker 2>in two thousand and nine, but the zoomers really glommed

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<v Speaker 2>onto it in early twenty twenty two and they started

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<v Speaker 2>calling things goofy ah. And then when this whole Family

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<v Speaker 2>Guy thing is reaching on TikTok is reaching critical mass,

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<v Speaker 2>there's someone just posted an instagram of a guy watching

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<v Speaker 2>Family Guy on his phone in a theater that was

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<v Speaker 2>playing Avatar The Way of Water, with the text movie

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<v Speaker 2>long a Hell.

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<v Speaker 1>That's medium funny it was.

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<v Speaker 2>And that one was actually reposted on Facebook pretty quickly thereafter,

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<v Speaker 2>and that contributed to this massive combo of like x

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<v Speaker 2>long or boring a Hell where people were like at

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<v Speaker 2>funerals watching Family Guy or childbirths, like watching family ey

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<v Speaker 2>clips on their phone and posting it saying like this

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<v Speaker 2>funeral boring a hell. Like you know, eventually there's all.

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<v Speaker 2>It turns back around and spreads to the wider Internet

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<v Speaker 2>where people who get paid to write about this stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>which if you were still doing that, congratulations on your

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<v Speaker 2>golden parachute from Slate dot com. Ah. This whole phenom

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<v Speaker 2>of overlapping multiple screens, over stimulating content, and microscopic attention

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<v Speaker 2>spans was termed sludge content or what wed in the

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<v Speaker 2>good old days, we call it posting. I think they

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<v Speaker 2>still call it that, But it's this idea that like,

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<v Speaker 2>there's so much low grade content circulating on social media

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<v Speaker 2>and any screen that by like combining as much of

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<v Speaker 2>it as you can into one thing, you're creating new

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<v Speaker 2>sludge content. So you'll see these like videos where people

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<v Speaker 2>have overlaid like multiple different clips from different shows or movies,

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<v Speaker 2>something else is going on in the background, and then

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<v Speaker 2>a bunch of people wrote these thin pieces about why

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<v Speaker 2>it was bad. But this is kind of insightful, and

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<v Speaker 2>this is what I think is interesting. MacFarlane, Seth Creed

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<v Speaker 2>and Rich Apple were doing that La Times group interview

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<v Speaker 2>about the show, and they were asked about the TikTok popularity,

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<v Speaker 2>and McFarlane said, it almost seems as if the show

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<v Speaker 2>was made for TikTok, the cutaways that were in some

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<v Speaker 2>cases maligned, and then he says, but these are the

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<v Speaker 2>hardest things to do, These are the hardest things to write.

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<v Speaker 2>To go in and essentially write a Gary Larson farside panel,

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<v Speaker 2>how many times a day that had to have a beginning, middle,

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<v Speaker 2>and end in the space of anywhere from three seconds

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<v Speaker 2>to fifteen to twenty seconds, and that was something we

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<v Speaker 2>were doing in nineteen ninety nine, in the early two thousands.

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<v Speaker 2>Now they just fit in like a glove. I think

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<v Speaker 2>in many ways, TikTok validated the structure of the show,

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<v Speaker 2>which again leads me to believe he is some kind

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<v Speaker 2>of He's like from the future or something man, because

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<v Speaker 2>that makes so much sense to me that like stuff

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<v Speaker 2>that they like, ADHD, cutaway gag, random stuff that they

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<v Speaker 2>were constantly being shown basically predicted modern social media.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, here's something that I don't necessarily I really believe,

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<v Speaker 1>and I haven't thought enough about it to really make

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<v Speaker 1>this client.

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<v Speaker 2>But how much what we do on this show, maybe how.

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<v Speaker 1>Much of it is that Family Guy's humor and structure

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<v Speaker 1>of those cutaway jokes just primed people's brains to create

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<v Speaker 1>content in that way, and that led those sort of

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<v Speaker 1>short form video platforms to gain popularity.

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<v Speaker 2>I think a lot of these kids were solely coming

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<v Speaker 2>at this like they discovered Family Guy. I'm not I

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<v Speaker 2>obviously don't know. I haven't interviewed any of them.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the courts won't let you.

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<v Speaker 2>Also good, you know. The novelty was that it was

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<v Speaker 2>like an old animated show that like they probably were

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<v Speaker 2>not that familiar with that suddenly became this vehicle for

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<v Speaker 2>all of this extraneous, weird content that they could do.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I, like I said earlier, like thinking

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<v Speaker 2>about this and putting credence in some of the things

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<v Speaker 2>that he said about it, I'm really like he may

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<v Speaker 2>have predicted like the entirety of post nine to eleven

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<v Speaker 2>culture in a bad way. I want to stress all

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<v Speaker 2>right now I'm losing my voice, so we gotta wrap

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<v Speaker 2>this up because I have I do have an impression

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<v Speaker 2>I want to do for you, Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Family Guy was the cornerstone from which the Seth MacFarlane

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<v Speaker 1>empire was launched. He created American Dad off the successive

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<v Speaker 1>Family Guy spun off The Cleveland Show, and used a

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<v Speaker 1>barely modified version of Peter Griffin's voice as the surprisingly

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<v Speaker 1>successful Mark Wohlberg Because a foul mouth and a debauch

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<v Speaker 1>Teddy Bear movie. Ted McFarlane also used the show's success

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<v Speaker 1>as a springboard for his own musical aspirations, singing big

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<v Speaker 1>band cruider music, hell yeah, which you know who among us?

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<v Speaker 2>Really? Yeah? Honestly.

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<v Speaker 1>The site Fast Company did some quick back of the

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<v Speaker 1>Napkin math of McFarland's Empire in two thousand and eight

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<v Speaker 1>and estimated it was worth or at least has generated

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<v Speaker 1>about two billion dollars. That's billion with a bee. And

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<v Speaker 1>this was before Ted in its sequel and apparently prequel

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<v Speaker 1>streaming show launched that year.

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<v Speaker 2>Now it came out last year.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh came out last year?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh wow?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so Ted still has legs. Who knew?

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't?

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't. Good straight man answer to that. In the

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<v Speaker 2>La Times piece that I mentioned, McFarlane, who is now

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<v Speaker 2>only a voice actor on the show, as I mentioned,

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<v Speaker 2>was questioned about how long the show would continue. He answered,

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<v Speaker 2>at this point, I don't see a good reason to stop.

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<v Speaker 2>People still love it makes people happy, and it funds

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<v Speaker 2>some good causes. It's a lot of extraneous cash that

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<v Speaker 2>you can donate to Rainforest Trust, and you can still

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<v Speaker 2>go out to dinner that night. There was a time

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<v Speaker 2>when I thought it's time to wrap it up. At

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<v Speaker 2>this point, we've reached escape velocity. I don't know that

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<v Speaker 2>there's any reason to stop at this point unless people

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<v Speaker 2>get sick of it, unless the numbers show that people

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<v Speaker 2>are just we don't care about family Guy anymore. But

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<v Speaker 2>that hasn't happened yet.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh souls take on his creation, which honestly kind of

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<v Speaker 1>seems about right.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I got a questioned for you, Jordan, Yes, how you?

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<v Speaker 2>How you coming on? That podcast? Will going on for

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<v Speaker 2>next week? Hmm? Got a couple of got a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of pages and a.

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<v Speaker 3>Google doc for mem nice little, nice little three act

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<v Speaker 3>structure for a narrative podcast to do. Working on the

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<v Speaker 3>the big podcast, maybe the Beach Boys. I know you've

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<v Speaker 3>been working on that one for three years. Gotta we

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<v Speaker 3>got a compelling main character protagonist, gonna be some obstacles

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<v Speaker 3>for him to overcome.

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<v Speaker 2>Whose story boring there? Been working on that for quite

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<v Speaker 2>some time. We aren't talking about that three years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>Been working on that whole the whole time.

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<v Speaker 3>Nice little nonive beginning, middle, and then some friends become enemies,

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<v Speaker 3>some memories.

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<v Speaker 2>We got friends at the end of the day. Your

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<v Speaker 2>main character is richer for the experience. Yeah, I look

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<v Speaker 2>forward to listening to it.

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<v Speaker 1>The best part was it got so high pitched that

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<v Speaker 1>I could no longer hear it through that.

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