1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,440 Speaker 1: Too Much Information is a production of iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:11,920 Speaker 2: Hello everyone, and welcome to Too Much Information, the show 3 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 2: that brings you the secret histories and little known fascinating 4 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:18,280 Speaker 2: facts and figures behind your favorite music, movies, TV shows 5 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:20,319 Speaker 2: and more. I'm not even gonna come up with the 6 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:23,239 Speaker 2: old name pun intro things, because we're making up for 7 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:25,759 Speaker 2: lost time on this one, and it's my fault. I'm 8 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 2: Alex Heigel and I'm Jordan run Talk and Jordan. Today 9 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 2: we're talking about one of the weirdest success stories of 10 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 2: the turn of the millennium, of findesecla Arts, a show that, 11 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:39,880 Speaker 2: on its face, had little to differentiate itself from fellow 12 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 2: industry heavies like South Park or The Simpsons, but one 13 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 2: that nevertheless garnered a rabid fan base during its short 14 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 2: initial run and has mushroomed into a shared universe of 15 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 2: properties and a widely memed Internet presence. That's right, we're 16 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 2: talking about family guy. Jordan wan On, you take you 17 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 2: give me your thoughts on fit because I pitched this. 18 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 1: I'm thrilled you did. This is a rare instance of 19 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 1: something from our youth that I actually actively engaged in 20 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:10,479 Speaker 1: regular Okay, oh no, this was huge for me, if 21 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 1: you were in middle school or high school during this 22 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 1: show's run, Family Guy became like a second language with 23 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 1: your friends, like more so than Austin Powers, more so 24 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:24,480 Speaker 1: than Anchorman. Is just endlessly quotable. And I'm really having 25 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:27,320 Speaker 1: a hard time thinking of another TV show that had 26 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 1: that kind of impact on my social group at that age. 27 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 1: And I think a huge part of it was the 28 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 1: DVD release, which I know we'll talk about that great 29 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 1: length later. Yes, to my mind, it was the first 30 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:41,319 Speaker 1: TV show that became a mega hit on home video. 31 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 1: In fact, I don't think I ever really watched it live, did. 32 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 2: You no, Because well for the first like maybe the 33 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 2: first three episode. 34 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, actually I think I watched the premiere ya. 35 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 2: And then part of like Fox's Deep Free like made 36 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 2: it impossible to watch, and then it was just suddenly gone. 37 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 2: And then I think I caught it on Cartoon Network 38 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 2: one night. But I remember being so struck by it 39 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 2: that I was like downloading Family Guy bits from like 40 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 2: Khazah and LimeWire to have the memorize Oh same. 41 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 1: I mean these DVDs, though, like they were ubiquitous in 42 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 1: a way that I feel like TV show comps never 43 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 1: had been before. I mean a lot of it. I know, 44 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 1: it was like a convenience thing because prior to this, 45 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 1: I tried to watch a lot of my beloved British 46 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 1: comedies like Faulty Towers or Monty pytheon were absolutely fabulous 47 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 1: years earlier, and they were because they weren't being broadcast 48 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:34,920 Speaker 1: in the United States and I could only get them 49 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 1: on VHS, which had like at most three episodes per tape, 50 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 1: and they were big and clunky and expensive and really 51 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 1: hard to navigate because you just had to fast forward 52 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 1: until you found the episode you wanted to get to. Yeah, 53 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 1: it was not very user friendly, and so I just 54 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:53,959 Speaker 1: remember having my mind blown that you could have an 55 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 1: entire season of a show. 56 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, Like it was crazy. 57 00:02:58,639 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, that was nuts. 58 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 2: I think pretty much right around the time that DVD 59 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:05,640 Speaker 2: was really becoming a boom industry too, so like it 60 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 2: had not taken over from I mean I so my 61 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 2: benchmark is always like, I think The Matrix was the 62 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 2: last movie I owned on VHS. 63 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 1: Ah, okay, so that'll be ninety nine, So yeah that 64 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:17,079 Speaker 1: sounds about right. 65 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well ninety nine or two thousand by the 66 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 2: time it made it to home media. But yeah, like 67 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:23,959 Speaker 2: so for this to come out and then go out 68 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 2: onto DVD was like the next big step. And yeah, 69 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 2: I mean my mom, bless her got me these, like 70 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 2: she just knew that I liked the show and just 71 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 2: got me the box season of these for like six 72 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 2: seasons straight. 73 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 1: This was like like if our parents' generation everybody's house 74 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 1: had like Rumors or something or like Asia or like 75 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 1: like everybody's house had Family Guy box sets. 76 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 2: Well it was dorm rooms honestly for me, because it 77 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 2: was like when you look at the like so when 78 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 2: this I mean, we'll get to it later, but this 79 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 2: thing was behind the Simpsons and behind Chappelle's show, and 80 00:03:56,280 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 2: that pretty much defines fourteen to twenty four year old 81 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 2: guys humor for ten straight years of the culture, you know. 82 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 1: And I think that's why it was so quota. In fact, 83 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 1: I know that was why it was so quotable because 84 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 1: it was the first TV show that you would just 85 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 1: I mean it kind of birthed comfort watching in a 86 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 1: way because I would watch these episodes over and over 87 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 1: and over again and do full scenes with my friends 88 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 1: just in the hallway at school. Yeah, for me, it 89 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 1: was more of a high school thing rather than a 90 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 1: college thing. 91 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 2: No, No, I mean it was it was. It was 92 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 2: all through that. But then I brought them with me 93 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:30,160 Speaker 2: to college. Yeah, so they would just I had like 94 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 2: six yeah, I mean like had six seasons of family guys. 95 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 2: It would just like which what are we thrown in 96 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:37,920 Speaker 2: the PS two to like crash out on the couch 97 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 2: for Yeah, And I was already a Simpsons fan. South 98 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 2: Park hauld hit but like, I don't know, man what, 99 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 2: we can talk about this later, but South Park has 100 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 2: never really done it for me. But I was deep 101 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:51,600 Speaker 2: into Simpsons at that point, and so I was too. 102 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 2: This one just hit me as like it's like meaner 103 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 2: than the Simpsons and has kind of the same rate 104 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:01,160 Speaker 2: of pop culture stuff and like cut way gags and everything. 105 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 2: But I also feel like, you know, this show in 106 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 2: its prime tapped like a very actual surrealistic, absurdist streak 107 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:13,160 Speaker 2: that the Simpsons never never did. Oh yeah, the Simpsons 108 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:17,719 Speaker 2: was like essentially the Honeymooners. Then this was like my Python, Yeah, 109 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 2: which is something that like didn't it didn't. It didn't 110 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:22,480 Speaker 2: conform to any of the acceptable rules, and there were 111 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 2: just all kinds of weird throw twos and subplots and 112 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:27,280 Speaker 2: it just yeah, I mean it just hit me. I 113 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 2: definitely have not kept up with it. Yeah, no, no, 114 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 2: which is why it's so bizarre that you know, it's 115 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 2: been taken over by zoomers on TikTok over the past 116 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 2: three years, which. 117 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 1: Is just I missed this. 118 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'm excited to explain it to you, pal 119 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:44,480 Speaker 2: oh good and all of our listeners. 120 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 1: No, I was the same way with you. I was 121 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 1: a Simpsons guy, and then I saw advertisements for this 122 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:53,799 Speaker 1: also on Fox, probably while watching The Simpsons. 123 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 2: And it's funny. 124 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 1: I remember at first thinking that Peter Griffin was just 125 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 1: like overweight Bill Gates, Like I really thought like some 126 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 1: kind of like parody or something which just really sets 127 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 1: it shows the sign of the times, if you will. 128 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:07,279 Speaker 1: It would have been like what like late ninety eight. 129 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 1: And yeah, soon as I started watching Family Guys like 130 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 1: you couldn't go back to the Simpsons. It just to 131 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:15,600 Speaker 1: me it felt like this was so much more potent. 132 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:18,920 Speaker 1: I mean, it's the perfect show for like teenagers who 133 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:21,840 Speaker 1: are just starting to have their attention span routed by 134 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:24,839 Speaker 1: the Internet, you know what I mean, Like this oh 135 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 1: ninety nine, like we were thirteen or whatever. 136 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:30,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, and man, I you know, I don't want to 137 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 2: give him credit for this, but like this show honestly 138 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:36,720 Speaker 2: was one of the first kind of early precursors of 139 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 2: what entertainment would be today. Yeah, or like the screen 140 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 2: experience today where it's like it's gonna move really fast, 141 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:46,119 Speaker 2: there's gonna be a bunch of things that you miss. 142 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:49,040 Speaker 2: It's because it's just overstimulating you from every angle. And 143 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:51,600 Speaker 2: that's I think there's like a certain poetry that it's 144 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 2: become so TikTok as part of like Generation Z and 145 00:06:56,600 --> 00:07:01,280 Speaker 2: A and like the most generations for attention span and 146 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:06,359 Speaker 2: dopamine and all that literacy, basic social uh, you know 147 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 2: niceties I have. I mean, I work in education and 148 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 2: so does my sister, and trust me, you all want 149 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 2: to die before Generation Alpha takes over, and probably most 150 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 2: of Gen Z respectfully. But yeah, it's interesting. I just 151 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 2: think it anticipated this, Like the way things work now 152 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 2: is so the flow of non sequitars that parade our 153 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 2: everyday life. 154 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 1: Everybody knew that it was always a guy. It was 155 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 1: a guy in high school. Everybody knew that guy in 156 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 1: high school who everybody thought was hilarious. But then all 157 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:41,679 Speaker 1: of a sudden, you just realize one day wait a minute, 158 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 1: you're just random, You're not funny? 159 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean? 160 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 1: Like that, Yeah, that's a common knock against the show. 161 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 1: That's what show writers from like the Simpsons in South 162 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 1: Park kind of accuse family guy of being. 163 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 2: But it's so funny because all those guys were like 164 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know about the King of the 165 00:07:57,240 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 2: Hill writers room, but they were definitely like Harvard people 166 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 2: in the in the Simpsons writing room, And like, did 167 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 2: those guys not know about Dada? Did they do not 168 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 2: know about surrealism? Were they like not able to I 169 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 2: mean I think that, like I's very generous, well, but 170 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 2: they would. I mean, the Dadas were scatological quite a 171 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 2: lot too. They considered nothing like there's there's you know, 172 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 2: toilets as a significant part of Dada and surrealistic artist douchamp. 173 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 1: Also, that's an incredible pairing, and I applaud. 174 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 2: You for it, okay, And like it's obviously cringeness, it 175 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 2: like navigated its cringiness just by powering through. Yeah, Like 176 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 2: there was a point at which you would just like 177 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 2: I don't know, like if you like saw someone wandering 178 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 2: around your college dorm in like an oversized hoodie and 179 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 2: Family Guy pajama pants. You would be like avoid that person. 180 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 2: Oh that was just most you people. 181 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:59,200 Speaker 1: That wasn't me. Yeah no, I had crushed velve at 182 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 1: pants in college, of course. Yeah no, I that to me, 183 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 1: that was just everything. I was in a dorm where 184 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 1: everybody was in the dorm was really in the television 185 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:10,079 Speaker 1: like that was they put all the like wanna be 186 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 1: TV writers into one dorm. That was like the theme 187 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 1: of my floor of my dorm, which in retrospect, I 188 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:19,199 Speaker 1: can't believe I meant it out alive. But yeah, no, 189 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:20,960 Speaker 1: that was just kind of everybody in my dorm. 190 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:22,320 Speaker 2: Okay, good to know. 191 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:26,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, so I kind of just stopped watching The Simpsons 192 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 1: after I got into Family Guy. And I don't know 193 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 1: if it was just because the Family Guy just kind 194 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:33,319 Speaker 1: of took over for me, or looking back on it, 195 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 1: it almost seems like Family Guys started to ascend right 196 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 1: when The Simpsons started its long, slow decline. But I 197 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:42,679 Speaker 1: know you're much more of a Simpson's head than I am, 198 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 1: so imagine you have thoughts on that. 199 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's hard to pin exactly when it 200 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 2: started declining. I think there were still some good episodes 201 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:53,079 Speaker 2: every now and again around that time, but I'm more 202 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:57,560 Speaker 2: interested in your perception of it versus south Park. South Park. 203 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 1: I South Park got a weird relationship with because I 204 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 1: remember being in fourth grade, I want to say, And 205 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:06,440 Speaker 1: I remember my I was in bed about to go 206 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 1: to sleep, and my dad came whirling in, and my 207 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 1: dad didn't get excited about a lot of things, and 208 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 1: I just remember him being like, you will never guess 209 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 1: what I just saw on this crazy TV show And 210 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 1: it was the Mister Hanky Christmas Special and he couldn't believe, 211 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 1: Like I have to imagine, judging from his reaction that 212 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 1: it was on par was seeing the Beatles on Sullivan 213 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:32,320 Speaker 1: Like it was just so like I really, he like 214 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 1: shook me awake to tell me about this, but then 215 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:39,960 Speaker 1: he refused to let me see South Park because it 216 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:41,439 Speaker 1: was too cool for me. I have no idea. I 217 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:44,320 Speaker 1: think it was like the only restriction he ever put 218 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 1: on any viewing for me ever my entire childhood. 219 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 2: Yeah. Same, but I don't like, I mean, I still 220 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 2: put like this. Obviously, South Park is great. The Scott 221 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 2: Tenorant episode is one of the perfect episodes of television 222 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 2: of all time. Yes, yes, but I just couldn't fathom 223 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 2: why South Park Guy. Like, I can understand that like 224 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 2: a bunch of Ivy League like joke crafters in the 225 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 2: Simpsons room hated Family Guy, but like, where did the 226 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 2: South Park guys get off? 227 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 1: Well, Okay, I think it's I mean, because it's Matt 228 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 1: Stone and Trade Park. It's just the two of them, 229 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:15,440 Speaker 1: So I think they probably feel like it's these two 230 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 1: scrappy upstarts competing against the whole writer's room who are 231 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 1: making a boziz. I mean, I think Matt Stone and 232 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 1: Trey Parker even said like, yeah, they made a hell 233 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:27,560 Speaker 1: of a lot more money Family Guy, whan we ever 234 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 1: did U. So I think they felt like it was 235 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 1: an unfair fight. And also, I mean, I hate to 236 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 1: say it like this, but like as a screenwriting major, 237 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 1: I will say I think that the plots of South 238 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:44,840 Speaker 1: Park are much more ingenious. The humor is rooted in 239 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 1: not just the characters, but just the actual scenarios. And 240 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 1: I think that Family Guy does lean on the non sequiturs. Yeah, 241 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 1: and that's a huge crutch that carries you through both 242 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 1: in terms of number of laughs per episode, and it 243 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 1: was just eating up time. I mean, if you have 244 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 1: if a given Family Guy episode has I'm making this 245 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 1: up at eight minutes per non sequit or out of 246 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 1: a twenty four minute episode or twenty one minute Sure, 247 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 1: it's just less staff to craft. 248 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I mean, I'll admit. 249 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 1: I think South Park smarter. 250 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:19,440 Speaker 2: I don't know about that. I do think like the 251 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:22,960 Speaker 2: cutaways when I heard them explained as I think in 252 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:27,200 Speaker 2: Seth Macfarland's terms, like as essentially writing a far side 253 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 2: comic strip, Oh wow, okay, like and just having this 254 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 2: idea of like how are we going to pitch like 255 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 2: some random absurd image or some like insane ten sections 256 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:41,080 Speaker 2: of action that like can be communicated in an instant 257 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 2: like this and keep the pace of the show. I 258 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:46,440 Speaker 2: think that's a very valid writing and exercise. I don't 259 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 2: think it certainly more than those idiots like farting around 260 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 2: in a room, you know, talking about like oh what 261 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:56,440 Speaker 2: if Cartman had to poop? Like, come on, man, don't 262 00:12:56,440 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 2: give them credit as writers. You know you've seen eight 263 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:02,720 Speaker 2: Days to Air that like the first like four days 264 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 2: of that show is them just like sitting around in 265 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 2: a room increasingly panicked as they don't have ideas, and 266 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 2: then they just I mean, yeah, man, but like I 267 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 2: promise you, yeah, but I just don't think. I mean, yes, 268 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 2: of course, but no, I don't know. I I think 269 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 2: I came to understand the Family Guy, the cutaway bits 270 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:23,960 Speaker 2: and their their target of humor or like their specific 271 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 2: I came to respect that more than I did when 272 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 2: I was listening to people tell me how stupid it 273 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:31,960 Speaker 2: was whenever they did that. 274 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 1: I mean, it's very effective, I will say, I mean, 275 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:40,079 Speaker 1: and just the ingenuity of a many I do admire 276 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 1: how Family Guy breaks the pain threshold with like long gags. 277 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, like Peter fighting Ernie the giant Chicken for 278 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 1: like eight minutes or whatever the hell that was, Like 279 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 1: that's incredible, Like I admire those swings. 280 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 2: But that's what I get back to saying that there's 281 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:58,720 Speaker 2: a degree of good writing in there is because it 282 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:00,840 Speaker 2: initially started so small. 283 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:03,839 Speaker 1: That's guts. That's not good riding, that's guts. 284 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 2: Okay, it's guts, and its foresight to be like have 285 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 2: this like seeded thing where it's like, first it's just 286 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:12,560 Speaker 2: like that chicken, pass me a bad cubon. So we 287 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 2: have like ten seconds of like a fight, and then 288 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 2: it gets occasionally referenced until it builds up to like 289 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 2: a full you know, they live fight in the alley scene, 290 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 2: so like which I also would be risky nuties if 291 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 2: I didn't tell you that south Park straight up copied 292 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 2: that entire scene for an episode, so they referenced it 293 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 2: in the. 294 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 1: Same way the Family Guy referenced it. 295 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean, we'll get into the south Park 296 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 2: episode later anyway. Obviously, because the show is nearing four 297 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 2: hundred and fifty episodes, multiple spin offs, et cetera, et cetera, 298 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 2: we are covering the launch of the show to its 299 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 2: initial cancelation and return, and then we're gonna wrap it 300 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 2: up with some of the meme culture stuff and some 301 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 2: of the controversies. So for anyone that expects us to 302 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 2: be a deep dive into the entirety of aired Family Guy, 303 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 2: turn off now and don't give me a one star rating. 304 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 2: So from the incredible luck that propelled creator Seth MacFarlane 305 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 2: straight out of art school to the world of animation 306 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 2: and then, in short order, his own show, to how 307 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 2: much the show's other adult animation peers hated them, to 308 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 2: controversial episodes that never aired, to the absolutely brain rotting 309 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 2: second life of the show. On today's social media. Here's 310 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 2: everything you didn't know about Family Guy. Did your high 311 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 2: school jazz band do a version of that song? 312 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 1: What's on Family Guy? 313 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 2: Yeah? No, Oh, we were not cool enough for that. 314 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 2: Oh my god. I had to hear that so much 315 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 2: when I was in the high school jazz band circuit. 316 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 1: WHOA what'd you play it in jazz band space pace? 317 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 2: Yeah? Anyway, Family Guy was created by a gentleman named 318 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 2: Seth MacFarlane, who, as anyone knows by now, is super 319 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 2: into forties and fifties music and road movies and also 320 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 2: TV from the late seventies into the eighties and show 321 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 2: tunes and show tunes. Yeah, he's like a half boomer, 322 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 2: half Generation. 323 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 1: X, which is kind of why I feel like we'd 324 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 1: be friends. 325 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 2: Yeah that tracks. H McFarlan was born in Connecticut in 326 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 2: nineteen seventy three and was apparently drawing by the age 327 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 2: of two. By five, he knew he wanted to be 328 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 2: an animator, but unfortunately, as he said on Inside the 329 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 2: Actors Studio, there was no information at the time. I 330 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 2: think my parents found one book on animation that they 331 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 2: scrounged up for me, and they got it from a library, 332 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 2: you know. Two Towns. Over Four years later, at the 333 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 2: age of nine, young McFarlane was publishing a weekly comic 334 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 2: strip called Walter Cruton that appeared in his local newspaper, 335 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 2: for which he was paid five dollars a week. 336 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 1: Now, okay, I'm sorry. Even for a nine year old 337 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 1: in the eighties, that rate seems criminal. 338 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 2: Five bucks. I don't know, man, times were different. You know, 339 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 2: crack was cheaper. 340 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 1: Walter Krutze. Is that a Walter Cronkite reference or just probably? Yeah? 341 00:16:57,120 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, so, like, I don't know, I just I know we. 342 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 1: Talked about this a little bit offline, but just get 343 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:04,719 Speaker 1: this out of the way. Seth MacFarland. Is he like 344 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 1: some kind of can we say savant? Like he's definitely 345 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:12,120 Speaker 1: like a very unusual talent, and not just from his influences, 346 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:14,639 Speaker 1: like he was doing this at nine years old, Like 347 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 1: that's that's unusual. 348 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's like a single purpose to him that seems 349 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:23,960 Speaker 2: weird when you consider how like lazy he's actually gotten 350 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:27,240 Speaker 2: in not writing or working on like any of these 351 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 2: shows anymore and just showing up to do voiceover work. 352 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 1: He's worth three hundred million dollars. 353 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's that too. Anyway, McFarland's eventual taste for courting 354 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 2: controversy showed up early A strip of the character kneeling 355 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:41,160 Speaker 2: at the altar for communion and asking the priest can 356 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 2: I have fries with That earned him an angry letter 357 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 2: from a local priest. 358 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:47,119 Speaker 1: I feel like that's literally a Family Guy joke. I 359 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:49,200 Speaker 1: swear I could hear Peter saying that. 360 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. In eighth grade, he made an animated film that 361 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 2: was very, very crude. In his words, you explained to 362 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 2: a IgM that I had a sense of exactly what 363 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 2: it was I wanted to do, but it was just 364 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 2: kind of tough. Even at the time, which was not 365 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:04,680 Speaker 2: that long ago, no one was really able to tell 366 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 2: me how animation worked. Funny note about McFarland's early life. 367 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 2: He attended the Kent School, which was a Connecticut private 368 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 2: school where both his parents worked, and he said the 369 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:18,200 Speaker 2: only reason he really went there is because they got 370 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 2: free tuition for him. But in nineteen ninety nine, the 371 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 2: Reverend Richardson W. Schnell Shell pardon me, then headmaster of 372 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:31,879 Speaker 2: the Kent School, called Family Guy obnoxious and asked major 373 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 2: companies not to advertise on it, and subsequently McFarlane's parents 374 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:39,160 Speaker 2: who were still working there in nineteen ninety nine resigned. 375 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 2: So I was like, man, that's love for your kid. 376 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 2: It's also like a weird. 377 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:46,200 Speaker 1: Hill for the headmaster to to die on, like I've 378 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 1: never like it. Must have been pointed like did he 379 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:51,680 Speaker 1: have it out for the McFarlands, Like that's a weird thing. 380 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:53,719 Speaker 2: Now. I feel like somebody was just like, check out 381 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:55,680 Speaker 2: what one of our alumni is doing. And he was like, 382 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:57,160 Speaker 2: oh my goodness. 383 00:18:57,560 --> 00:18:59,720 Speaker 1: I said this in the Dead Poet Society episode. These 384 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:03,200 Speaker 1: schools are evil. Take it from me. Prep school dropout. 385 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, As McFarlane explained to Terry Gross on an 386 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:09,359 Speaker 2: episode of Fresh Air in twenty eleven, a big early 387 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 2: influence on him was the Muppets, and in particular their music. 388 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 2: For me, the Muppets were more legit than anybody in 389 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 2: that regard, he said. The Muppets and even Sesame Street. 390 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 2: Joe Roposo, the great jazz composer, wrote so many great 391 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 2: songs for Sesame Street and the Muppets. Sinatra recorded Being Green, 392 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 2: Bing Crosby recorded Sing The Great Muppet Caper. Every song 393 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 2: in that movie is a great Joe Roposo song. 394 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:33,679 Speaker 1: I can't believe he's not shouting out Paul Williams Holmes 395 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 1: is incredibly rainbow connection them Street, I. 396 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:41,480 Speaker 2: Mean surely others. Well, therein lies the rub. McFarlane, as 397 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:47,160 Speaker 2: most people know, loves mid century great American songbook crunersh 398 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 2: he sings on the show. He studied with Frank Sinatra's 399 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:54,400 Speaker 2: old vocal teachers. He put out his own records and 400 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 2: toured with like big bands and cocktail shows. At one point, 401 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:01,119 Speaker 2: when he was at Risdye, the Rhode Island School of 402 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:02,880 Speaker 2: Design where he went to college, he thought about going 403 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:06,639 Speaker 2: to Boston Conservatory to study musical theater, which talk about 404 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:09,160 Speaker 2: two roads diverged in a wood. I think he would 405 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 2: have become like the evil Bizarro Lin Manuel Miranda had 406 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 2: he been, had he become a musical theater dork, Yeah, wow, 407 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 2: what a horrifying thought. 408 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:24,720 Speaker 1: Yes, quite, or he would have written, like you know, 409 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 1: if the South Park guys did Book of Mormon, and 410 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 1: I can imagine Seth macfarlan would have probably done something. 411 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 412 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:35,680 Speaker 1: The so called Disney Renaissance, which we talked a lot 413 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:39,360 Speaker 1: about on this show, the incredible string from what eighty 414 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 1: seven to ninety five is generally it's it's the era 415 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 1: of that Little Mermaid Duty and the Beast, et cetera. 416 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:48,359 Speaker 2: I guess it really depends on when your cut off 417 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 2: or when they stop being good. Is yeah, Hercules has 418 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 2: shooters out there. 419 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 1: I like Hercules, is okay. I think Mulom was like 420 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 1: the last good one in my memory. I remember thinking 421 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 1: that the one without all fulfilled Colin song Tarzan. I 422 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 1: remember thinking Tarzan was like, oh I don't like this 423 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:04,160 Speaker 1: at all. 424 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:06,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think like when I was, I think 425 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 2: like Hunchback of oshra Dam was another one where I 426 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 2: was like, this isn't good. Yeah. Yeah, although that one 427 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 2: I shooters too. I will say it's just because everyone 428 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 2: loves the priests like Horny Fire and Brimstone Song. 429 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 1: Anyway, the so called Disney Renaissance was primed to make 430 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 1: a huge impact on young on Master McFarlane, I feel 431 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:26,879 Speaker 1: like he would have been the can of kid that 432 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 1: would get off on being called Master McFarlane. 433 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:32,200 Speaker 2: Right, yeah, probably, yeah. Takes one to know one. 434 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:35,920 Speaker 1: He enrolled at the Rhode Island School of Design. He said, 435 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 1: I suppose I decided there that big bulbous eyes were important. 436 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 2: If that's the some takeaway of his education. 437 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:47,479 Speaker 1: And He studied there with the intention of becoming an 438 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 1: animator for Disney. Then here comes the Simpsons. He told 439 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:54,680 Speaker 1: MPR who said, hey, you could also do this. We're 440 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:56,719 Speaker 1: rewriting the rule book with regard to what you can 441 00:21:56,760 --> 00:22:00,120 Speaker 1: do on television, and I was laughing. This was something 442 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 1: that actually was for me. In college, McFarlane did stand 443 00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 1: up comedy, which I can't imagine that went well, especially 444 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 1: seeing well Oscar. 445 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:13,960 Speaker 2: He's not doing it now. Yeah, when you're insanely rich 446 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 2: and can virtually pay your way out of any debacle 447 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 2: and you still don't return to something you flopped at 448 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:22,879 Speaker 2: in college, Okay, that's how you know you really sucked 449 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:23,159 Speaker 2: at it. 450 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, so he did stand up. He appeared in student films. 451 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:29,680 Speaker 1: He created a thesis called The Life of Larry, which 452 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 1: was basically a dry run for Family Guy, A thesis film. 453 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:36,640 Speaker 2: What did I say, just a thesis. 454 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:40,120 Speaker 1: A thesis film. I definitely think it was included as 455 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:42,240 Speaker 1: like a bonus feature on one of the Family Guys. 456 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 2: Yeah they're out there. 457 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I've definitely seen it hilariously. At least one of 458 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 1: his professors at Risdy tried to deter seth MacFarland from 459 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 1: honing in on comedy. He told The New York Times 460 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 1: in two thousand and four. I just wanted to make 461 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 1: people laugh, and I remember taking a lot of guff 462 00:22:57,080 --> 00:23:00,200 Speaker 1: from my professors about that. I showed my storyboard my 463 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 1: film professor, and she said, I'm really worried that you're 464 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:05,960 Speaker 1: wasting your time on what's essentially a lot of bathroom humor. 465 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,199 Speaker 1: She said, this is the one chance to make the 466 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:12,200 Speaker 1: personal film that you really want to make, and I said, 467 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:12,960 Speaker 1: this is it. 468 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:14,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, man. 469 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:18,160 Speaker 1: One of Seth McFarland's professors submitted his thesis, the one 470 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:20,399 Speaker 1: that one of the other professors thought he was wasting 471 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:23,440 Speaker 1: his time on. Somebody else apparently at the school thought 472 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 1: it was great and submitted it to Hannah Barbara without 473 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:31,119 Speaker 1: McFarland's knowledge, which is crazy. There was a competition Hannah 474 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:35,480 Speaker 1: Barbara was having and McFarlane's thesis film The Life of 475 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 1: Larry won, and subsequently, in nineteen ninety five, McFarlane moved 476 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:42,439 Speaker 1: to Los Angeles to work for the Legendary Animation Studio, 477 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:46,720 Speaker 1: contributing the series Like Dexter's Laboratory, Cowan Chicken and. 478 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 2: Johnny Bravo Forgot about Cowen Chicken Isn't that kind of 479 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 2: sweet that like a professor randomly picked. I mean, I 480 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:55,359 Speaker 2: think part of the program was that people had to 481 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:57,639 Speaker 2: be selected, but just the idea that someone was like, 482 00:23:57,720 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna do this for you and I'm 483 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:03,119 Speaker 2: also not going to tell you. You know, that's kind of sweet. 484 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:03,560 Speaker 1: I like that. 485 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 2: I would have enjoyed that support at any point in 486 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:13,879 Speaker 2: my life. But you know, so what are we talking about. 487 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:17,439 Speaker 1: Interestingly, it wasn't McFarland's animation Chops that got him his 488 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:20,399 Speaker 1: job at Hanna Barbara. As he explained to IGN, I 489 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 1: was actually one of the few people who got hired 490 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 1: into that program primarily because of writing. This is what 491 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 1: they told me after the fact. Certainly, my student film 492 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:32,199 Speaker 1: was not the drawings were not anything special. They were 493 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 1: pretty crude looking. But you know, it was the content, 494 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:37,119 Speaker 1: the jokes themselves, that were the reason they hired me. 495 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 1: And while out West, McFarlane also freelanced for Disney for 496 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 1: a time. It is beloved Disney, working on Jungle Cubs, 497 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:46,040 Speaker 1: which I have no memory of, and ace Ventchara, the 498 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:48,679 Speaker 1: animated series, which I deemly recall. 499 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I have a dim memory of that. Yeah, I mean, 500 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 2: you know, One of the things that I do like 501 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:55,359 Speaker 2: about him that this show made me respect more is 502 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 2: like he kept bringing in people from the kind of 503 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:01,920 Speaker 2: animation community. Like there's a lot of people on this 504 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 2: show who he worked with at Cartoon Network and other places. 505 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:09,520 Speaker 2: So you know, it's a family business. Come on, make 506 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:13,720 Speaker 2: it a family guy. While working in While working in 507 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,800 Speaker 2: Hannah Barbera in nineteen ninety six, McFarland created a sequel 508 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:19,480 Speaker 2: to the Life of Larry called Larry and Steve, which 509 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:22,440 Speaker 2: featured the bumbling, middle aged Larry and his highly intelligent 510 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 2: dog Steve. The short was broadcast in nineteen ninety seven 511 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,880 Speaker 2: as one of Cartoon Network's World Premiere tunes, at which 512 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,400 Speaker 2: point it caught the eye of a Fox exec who 513 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:34,439 Speaker 2: initially wanted to run McFarland shorts as part of Mad TV. 514 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:37,959 Speaker 2: Alah Howe. The Simpsons got its first start as shorts 515 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,960 Speaker 2: on The Tracy Ullman Show, but McFarland actually had to 516 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 2: pitch Family Guy twice. He was introduced to Leslie Collins 517 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:48,360 Speaker 2: and Mike Darnell, who ran Fox's alternative comedy department, which 518 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 2: must have been a thing back then, and he met 519 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:53,919 Speaker 2: them through a development executive at Hannah barbera who was 520 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,960 Speaker 2: trying to get Hannah Barbara back on primetime. So McFarlane 521 00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 2: took a script and characters and he pitched this to 522 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 2: but the network had just shelled out for King of 523 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:05,960 Speaker 2: the Hill and they were not sure how that investment 524 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:09,639 Speaker 2: was going to pan out, so they passed so in 525 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 2: about a year, then, after King of the Hill made 526 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,920 Speaker 2: its money back, McFarlane called Fox just to be like, hey, 527 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 2: any news, and Leslie Collins was like, yeah, come on 528 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:18,919 Speaker 2: back in. 529 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:24,160 Speaker 1: So it's crazy, that's actually really nuts about That's actually 530 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:25,879 Speaker 1: how I got my job at iHeart was that I 531 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:29,720 Speaker 1: pitched them a show which we're still talking about making yees, 532 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:33,400 Speaker 1: seven years after I pitched it to him initially, and 533 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 1: I was directed to somebody who wasn't getting back to me, 534 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:39,800 Speaker 1: wasn't getting back to me, wasn't getting back to me, 535 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:43,320 Speaker 1: and I almost just gave up. And then I said, 536 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 1: you know, I'm gonna try them one more time. And 537 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:46,720 Speaker 1: then he was like, oh my god, I'm so sorry. 538 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 1: I completely like, I'm new to this job and I'm 539 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:53,399 Speaker 1: totally swamped, totally overwhelmed. Let's have a call. And we 540 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 1: hit it off and became friends and he ended up 541 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:58,440 Speaker 1: eventually just hiring me. There wasn't like a role. He 542 00:26:58,560 --> 00:26:59,920 Speaker 1: just made a role for me. And that's how I 543 00:26:59,920 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 1: got this job. And look at me. 544 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,920 Speaker 2: Now, and look and look at me now, Tom top 545 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,720 Speaker 2: of the world, look at look at me now, look 546 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:14,679 Speaker 2: at me. I'm getting paper. Ultimately, Fox gave him I 547 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:19,200 Speaker 2: am grinding, I'm grinding, grindset, mindset. Ultimately Fox gave him 548 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:23,520 Speaker 2: a proposal do a pilot for fifty grand. Wow. Yeah, 549 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,160 Speaker 2: at a time when most half hour animated shows cost 550 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 2: close to a million dollars. And then they would see 551 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,440 Speaker 2: the idea was that I animate this thing by myself. 552 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,840 Speaker 2: Mccarlan told The New York Times. I spent about six Yeah, 553 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,560 Speaker 2: it's awful. I spent about six months with no sleep 554 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 2: and no life, just drawing like crazy in my kitchen 555 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 2: and doing this pilot. About six months later, I handed 556 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:45,919 Speaker 2: it in about forty pounds lighter, and they were laughing, 557 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,120 Speaker 2: and they liked it enough to order thirteen. Yeah. 558 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:51,120 Speaker 1: These days, it costs I think around two million dollars 559 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 1: per Family Guy episode, and I guess that excludes talent fees, 560 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:56,920 Speaker 1: because the main cast gets something like a quarter million 561 00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 1: dollars an episode. And that figure I saw was like 562 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:01,359 Speaker 1: ten year years ago, so I don't even want to 563 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 1: know what it is now. 564 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 2: Initially, McFarland did most of the show's male voices simply 565 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 2: out of necessity. Stewie's voice comes from Rex Harrison and 566 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:12,160 Speaker 2: McFarlane's love of Doctor Doolittle and My Fair Lady, while 567 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:15,560 Speaker 2: Brian's is the closest to McFarland's actual speaking voice. Do 568 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:17,960 Speaker 2: you know about the controversy with Stewie. Well, I was 569 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,160 Speaker 2: going to get into the smartest boar on Earth thing, 570 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 2: but I didn't. I stopped caring. 571 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 1: Oh well, id care? 572 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna say, this is how we check 573 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:28,800 Speaker 2: each other. 574 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:29,159 Speaker 3: You know. 575 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,120 Speaker 1: If that's one thing I'm good at, it's caring, Folks, 576 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:34,960 Speaker 1: you know that it is. 577 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 2: He's a wonderful lover with a pretty good dick, Folks. 578 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 2: If you're hearing this right now, that means I wasn't mad. 579 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 1: Enough to cut it out. Interestingly, there was a comic strip, 580 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,280 Speaker 1: I think it was a local Chicago comic strip that 581 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 1: was later turned into a series of graphic novels in 582 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,360 Speaker 1: the early nineties, like mid nineties round ninety five called 583 00:28:56,480 --> 00:29:00,400 Speaker 1: Jimmy Corrigan the Smartest kid on Earth and this boy, 584 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,160 Speaker 1: he's a boy with a big football shaped head, I think, 585 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 1: who invents things to escape from his mother. And the 586 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 1: creator of this strip, guy named Chris Ware, is quoted 587 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:12,400 Speaker 1: as calling the similarities between his character Jimmy Corrigan and 588 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:17,400 Speaker 1: Stewie as quote a little coincidental, to be simply well coincidental, 589 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 1: and Seth MacFarlane actually agreed, he said in that two 590 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,720 Speaker 1: That's the three interview, although he claims he never saw 591 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:27,120 Speaker 1: the comic strip before, he called the similarities quote pretty 592 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 1: shocking and added that he quote understood how where would 593 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:32,200 Speaker 1: reach that conclusion. 594 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:35,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean the reason that I don't, like fully 595 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 2: go in on him for this is that the world 596 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:43,200 Speaker 2: of early nineties comic books was very cloistered, and if 597 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:46,960 Speaker 2: he grew up, if Seth was in Connecticut and then 598 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:50,120 Speaker 2: Rhode Island, the chances of him bumping into and then 599 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:55,200 Speaker 2: reading an episode of an underground like alt comic were 600 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:58,320 Speaker 2: pretty slim. So I think there's a degree of plausibility 601 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 2: that when he's like because even I mean, I was 602 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 2: a moderate comic book nerd, and I didn't learn about 603 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 2: all comics like ghost World, and you know, Jimmy Corrigan 604 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:12,000 Speaker 2: and Love and Rockets until I got to college and 605 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,880 Speaker 2: like took a course about the history of comic books. 606 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 2: Yeah cool, So I want to I want to grant 607 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:22,040 Speaker 2: him a degree of like I hear you. Yeah, I agree. 608 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:25,960 Speaker 1: Seth did clear up another big bit of Stewie lore 609 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,400 Speaker 1: in a two thousand and nine interview with Playboy in 610 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 1: which he confirmed that Stewie is gay and considered an 611 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:34,080 Speaker 1: episode where he officially came out, which I don't think 612 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 1: they ever ended up doing, although, as you said, I 613 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:40,800 Speaker 1: have tuned out of the last fifteen. 614 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:45,360 Speaker 2: Century of seasons. Yes, no, I I think that character 615 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,560 Speaker 2: got so much more funny when he just turned into 616 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,320 Speaker 2: like they, I mean, the early leg I'm gonna kill 617 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 2: like Lewis, I'm going to kill you like all that mother. 618 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:59,520 Speaker 1: Uh, Jim Morrison as Rex Erison or vice versa. 619 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:02,760 Speaker 2: Now I'm trying to remember the ones. The one quote 620 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 2: that I used to that I that I downloaded from Kazah. 621 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,280 Speaker 2: Maybe it wasn't burned that well into my brain, or 622 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:13,280 Speaker 2: maybe I've made room for it with for Jazzar Peggios. 623 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:14,800 Speaker 1: Were security number. 624 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:19,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, Uh, that character got a lot funny and 625 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,479 Speaker 2: when he was just sort of a foil to Brian, 626 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:23,880 Speaker 2: like when they started just pairing them together in all 627 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,440 Speaker 2: the Road episodes like that, that was a that was 628 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:27,200 Speaker 2: smart of them. 629 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:32,120 Speaker 1: Yes, meanwhile, that's about Peter. 630 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 2: I can't do Peter. I can't do that voice. Peter Meanwhile, 631 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:40,520 Speaker 2: as McFarland told NPR, is very much the quintessential big fat, 632 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,040 Speaker 2: loud New England guy who is very very good at 633 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:46,840 Speaker 2: the core, big hearted, but just has zero self editing mechanism, 634 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,560 Speaker 2: no idea what is appropriate and inappropriate, and you just 635 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:51,160 Speaker 2: kind of have to forgive him because he doesn't know 636 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,760 Speaker 2: any better. And I knew so many of those guys. 637 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:55,840 Speaker 2: My father knew tons of those guys when we were 638 00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:59,600 Speaker 2: living back East. Specifically, McFarland has said that Peter's voice 639 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 2: came for security guards he would overhear talking on the 640 00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:07,480 Speaker 2: Risdy campus. Also U and this is hilarious, as The 641 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:11,160 Speaker 2: New York Times rather drolly noted in a profile. McFarlane 642 00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,440 Speaker 2: has also mentioned as an inspiration a friend's father who 643 00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,960 Speaker 2: fell asleep and began snoring loudly during the critically praised 644 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:22,520 Speaker 2: film Philadelphia, a drama about aids I need. 645 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:29,080 Speaker 1: Someone was watching Tree of Life that Brad Pitt like 646 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:31,080 Speaker 1: three hour meditation on. 647 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's charismatic, it's beautiful, there's dinosaurs. 648 00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:37,440 Speaker 1: Her mom sat there silently throughout the entire thing, and 649 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:39,800 Speaker 1: as soon as it ended in the credits all she 650 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:43,040 Speaker 1: stood up and went dumb and walked out of the room. 651 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,920 Speaker 2: That's pretty good our soul review. Oh was she wrong? 652 00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:48,680 Speaker 2: I who's to say? Who is? 653 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:49,920 Speaker 1: Who is to say? 654 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:53,680 Speaker 2: Art is subjective? That's why we love it, don't we, folks? 655 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:57,640 Speaker 2: Except for my art, which is objectively correct. And I 656 00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:01,120 Speaker 2: will see you all driven before me one day. 657 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:05,360 Speaker 1: Family Guy's other biggest contributor is Alex Borstein, at the 658 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:07,600 Speaker 1: time a breakout star on Mad TV. 659 00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:14,240 Speaker 2: I forgot about that, A deeply racist character. Oh yeah, 660 00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:16,880 Speaker 2: she was like miss Kwan or whatever. Yeah, I forgot 661 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:20,240 Speaker 2: about it, like fully doing Yellow Phase. Yeah, I forgot 662 00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:23,640 Speaker 2: yeah right now? Yes, yeah. 663 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:27,200 Speaker 1: She came via Fox except Leslie Collins, who asked boristein 664 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:30,280 Speaker 1: to voice lowest quote for next to no money McFarland 665 00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,680 Speaker 1: joke to ign although it probably wasn't a joke. 666 00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,360 Speaker 2: It was sketch comedy mixed in with the sitcom, and 667 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:36,200 Speaker 2: it was so dense. 668 00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:38,400 Speaker 1: She told The La Times in twenty twenty four of 669 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,480 Speaker 1: what initially appealed to her about the show. Each episode 670 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:43,239 Speaker 1: has so much in it, and I just knew it 671 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:46,240 Speaker 1: was special and weird and made laugh out loud throughout. 672 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:51,200 Speaker 1: By McFarland's estimation, Borstein did quote probably seventy five percent 673 00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,760 Speaker 1: of our female voices and also wrote for the show, 674 00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,240 Speaker 1: which I didn't know, helping to rain in the fraddy 675 00:33:56,360 --> 00:34:00,200 Speaker 1: sensibilities of the rest of the presumably male team. You 676 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:03,320 Speaker 1: know why everybody in the show just rags on Meg 677 00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:07,320 Speaker 1: Griffin was because all the predominantly male writers realize that 678 00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,759 Speaker 1: they did not to write for a tech girl, so 679 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:11,520 Speaker 1: they're just like just make fun of her. 680 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,440 Speaker 2: Every time someone started saying something that makes shut up Meg, 681 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:18,719 Speaker 2: And God, that still gets me, dude. I'm sorry. I 682 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,320 Speaker 2: know there's all kinds of gendered stuff in there and whatever, 683 00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:25,320 Speaker 2: but like, who lets you back in the house, funny 684 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,360 Speaker 2: non moments of extreme cruelty. 685 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:30,200 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, it's not a gender thing. I mean 686 00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:32,279 Speaker 1: I think about like, you know, Donny, you're out of 687 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:33,760 Speaker 1: your element from Big. 688 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,960 Speaker 2: That's always funny to have one character irrationally furious at 689 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:38,600 Speaker 2: another one. 690 00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's just love, that's just comedy gold, that's just 691 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:46,880 Speaker 1: good writing. Fellows's voice, Borstein explained to NPR in twenty fifteen, 692 00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:49,200 Speaker 1: it's a direct rip off of a cousin of mine 693 00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,920 Speaker 1: on Long Island. Her accent's a little different. She's Hungarian, 694 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:56,239 Speaker 1: so it's Hungarian and Long Island mixed together. It's like 695 00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:57,120 Speaker 1: a cat dying. 696 00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:02,600 Speaker 2: It's terrible. Yeah, that does sound quite awful. 697 00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:07,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, Borstin and McFarland's heavy character loads meant a lot 698 00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:10,319 Speaker 1: of time in recording Boots. I usually do all one 699 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,799 Speaker 1: character first, like I'll do Lois first, and once I 700 00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,200 Speaker 1: finished that, I'll go back through and I'll do Tricia 701 00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:20,080 Speaker 1: Takanawa or Babs or whatever. Borsting told bleedingcool dot com. 702 00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:23,200 Speaker 2: You heard me, you read me. 703 00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:27,160 Speaker 1: I usually end up playing five characters in one episode, 704 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:29,239 Speaker 1: so I go back through five times and do each 705 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:34,160 Speaker 1: character separately. Oddly enough, Thorsten recalled the ign that at first, 706 00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:36,839 Speaker 1: between the pilot and the show's pickup, the network wanted 707 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:38,840 Speaker 1: to get rid of me. She said, I had the 708 00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:41,000 Speaker 1: fight to keep my job. I had to re audition 709 00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:43,520 Speaker 1: for it, along with every female that ever stepped off 710 00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:47,080 Speaker 1: a bus in Hollywood. Seth Green, who was then more 711 00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,680 Speaker 1: known for his role on Buffy the Vampire Slayer and 712 00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:53,200 Speaker 1: presumably Austin Powers. Yeah, the first one came out in 713 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,560 Speaker 1: ninety seven, so okay, around the same time, and Can't 714 00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:56,080 Speaker 1: Hardly was. 715 00:35:56,080 --> 00:36:00,319 Speaker 2: Also in He was in Idle Hands, Oh Yeah, which 716 00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:03,239 Speaker 2: is a bad movie. Car Harley Waite's a great movie. 717 00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:06,799 Speaker 2: It's an even better replacement song. I'm pretty sure. I'm 718 00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:10,000 Speaker 2: pretty sure Paul Westerberg still gets royalties off that. That 719 00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:12,239 Speaker 2: might be why he doesn't feel the need to work 720 00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:14,120 Speaker 2: Seth Green. 721 00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,040 Speaker 1: He was brought in to play Peter and Lois's son, 722 00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:21,560 Speaker 1: Chris pattering his distinctive voice on Ted Levine as Buffalo 723 00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:26,279 Speaker 1: Bill from Silence of the Lambs. That's incredible. I never 724 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:29,360 Speaker 1: picked up on that. He apparently had been screwing around 725 00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:31,640 Speaker 1: with an impression of Buffalo Bill with a bunch of 726 00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:33,520 Speaker 1: his friends and they dared him to do it at 727 00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:36,840 Speaker 1: the audition, and apparently he ended up getting the role 728 00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:38,920 Speaker 1: because he was one of the only guys, if not 729 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,240 Speaker 1: the only guy who didn't do a surfer dude voice. 730 00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:44,680 Speaker 1: Ah Sean Penn's character from Fastest Ridgemont High. 731 00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:46,440 Speaker 2: I think he asked McFarlane, he was like, do you 732 00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:48,880 Speaker 2: mind if I just do something really weird, and McFarland 733 00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:50,439 Speaker 2: was like, yeah, sure, and so he was like, well 734 00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:55,000 Speaker 2: on your dad, Like I don't know that now we're 735 00:36:55,040 --> 00:37:00,399 Speaker 2: sure a great big fat woman. That's sort of That's 736 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:02,040 Speaker 2: the closest I can get to Buffalo Bill. 737 00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:05,359 Speaker 1: I used to be able to do it. I used 738 00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:06,520 Speaker 1: to be able to do it because there was a 739 00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:09,399 Speaker 1: guy went to college with who sounded just like Chris 740 00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,279 Speaker 1: in real life, and I used to imitate him and 741 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:12,120 Speaker 1: then it occurred to. 742 00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:13,760 Speaker 2: Me so weird. 743 00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,759 Speaker 1: Yeah, the key was so weird. That was like the 744 00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:18,959 Speaker 1: thing he used to always say, and then I can't 745 00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:19,640 Speaker 1: do the rest of it. 746 00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,640 Speaker 2: Also, like in every episode, at least one character just goes, 747 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:24,160 Speaker 2: what the hell? Yeah? 748 00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:27,400 Speaker 1: I know that's gotta be I asked McFarlan, ever comments 749 00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:29,680 Speaker 1: on that, because that is like a thing that keeps 750 00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:32,040 Speaker 1: coming up in like things you didn't know about family 751 00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,879 Speaker 1: guy posts. Yeah, it's in like every episode somebody does 752 00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,880 Speaker 1: the derivation of what the hell? Yeah, it's amazing. 753 00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:39,080 Speaker 2: During one episode. 754 00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:42,759 Speaker 1: I forgot about this until researching this episode, Seth Green 755 00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:46,560 Speaker 1: as Chris does, there's a whole bit. 756 00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,160 Speaker 2: Where just call it the tucking bit. 757 00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:53,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, Chris recreates the Buffalo Bill Goodbye Horses, dress up 758 00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:55,480 Speaker 1: from Silence of the Lambs. 759 00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,520 Speaker 2: It's a great bit. It's a great bit, good one 760 00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:02,800 Speaker 2: to do at parties. Speaking of voice actors, I didn't 761 00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:03,239 Speaker 2: know this. 762 00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:07,040 Speaker 1: The show initially cast Lacey Shabert, your beloved Gretchen Winters 763 00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:09,200 Speaker 1: for Mean Girls as the voice. 764 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:12,040 Speaker 2: Of miss a pretty pretty brunette. 765 00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:13,359 Speaker 1: You love lazy Shber? I didn't. 766 00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:15,640 Speaker 2: I didn't love Lacey Shepard such a crush on her. 767 00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:18,920 Speaker 2: I went to go see that and she lost in 768 00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:22,759 Speaker 2: Space movie where Matt LeBlanc is the good guy and 769 00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:26,640 Speaker 2: Gary Oldman becomes a bug monster. Was she Penny, Yeah, 770 00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:28,840 Speaker 2: if that's the character she was the girl? Yeah? 771 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,160 Speaker 1: Oh, I had a big crush on Penny as a kid, 772 00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,839 Speaker 1: because Penny was in the in the Silent Music too, 773 00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:37,000 Speaker 1: Angela cart right man speaking of like bad stuff that 774 00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:39,840 Speaker 1: we watched because we loved the women in it. I 775 00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:43,680 Speaker 1: watched Mikey Madison on SNL this weekend. Oh yeah, first 776 00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:46,399 Speaker 1: time I've watched the Asonal episode many many many years. 777 00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:49,080 Speaker 2: Oh, the one where Morgan Wallen like walked off because 778 00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,319 Speaker 2: all those big city liberals were making him feel bad 779 00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:52,960 Speaker 2: about being a drunk racist. 780 00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:54,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think he took one for the 781 00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:57,040 Speaker 1: team and saw that otherwise the headline was going to 782 00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:59,040 Speaker 1: be that it was just a bad episode and didn't 783 00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:00,719 Speaker 1: want my sweet Mikey Addison too. 784 00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:02,800 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yah, yeah, I'm sure he did that out of 785 00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:06,640 Speaker 2: the largest of his enlarge heart. Oh guy is such 786 00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:07,319 Speaker 2: a piece of shit. 787 00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:09,480 Speaker 1: Is see the guy who threw the chairs off the 788 00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,600 Speaker 1: off like the deck bar in Nashville and like almost 789 00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:13,200 Speaker 1: killed someone. 790 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm pretty and he's like he was like 791 00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:19,799 Speaker 2: definitely on camera saying the saying the hard end. I 792 00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:21,799 Speaker 2: think he's just like he's like basically just like a 793 00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:31,480 Speaker 2: Southern like frat boy. Yeah, he's from Sneadville, Tennessee. What 794 00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:35,400 Speaker 2: do you think about that? Sneadville is not a character 795 00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:37,640 Speaker 2: from the lar Ax. Yeah, he got he got into 796 00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:43,719 Speaker 2: he he left Kid Rock's bar after breaking glasses in 797 00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:46,640 Speaker 2: it and started like just screaming at people on the street. 798 00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:50,640 Speaker 2: He was unmasked. He was like going around and unmasked 799 00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:56,160 Speaker 2: during the height of COVID in bars. Yes, and he 800 00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:59,680 Speaker 2: threw roof off of Eric Church another country. He just 801 00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:03,040 Speaker 2: goes in other country stars with better careers bars and 802 00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:05,839 Speaker 2: destroys their stuff. Yeah, he threw a chair, He threw 803 00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:08,240 Speaker 2: a chair off the roof. Oh yeah, he was out 804 00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:10,879 Speaker 2: and he was outside of his place in Nashville when 805 00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:16,160 Speaker 2: someone filmed him saying, take care of this piss puss 806 00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:19,399 Speaker 2: pussy ass mother and then drops the N word. 807 00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:21,680 Speaker 1: When you say his place, you mean his home or his. 808 00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:25,160 Speaker 2: Yea, his home. He and his label donated five hundred 809 00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:28,360 Speaker 2: thousand dollars to organizations including the National Museum of African Music, 810 00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,600 Speaker 2: Rock A Dance Racism, and the BNAC. So, I guess 811 00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:34,759 Speaker 2: we don't talk about that anymore. That guy sucks. Come 812 00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:36,799 Speaker 2: to my bar, buddy, I won't even wait for you 813 00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,919 Speaker 2: to get drunk. Drop your ass just for beauty. 814 00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:41,960 Speaker 1: Piece of call your bar God's country. 815 00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:45,279 Speaker 2: I should should not, well, every bar is God's country 816 00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:49,920 Speaker 2: to the faithful among us alcoholics. 817 00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:55,640 Speaker 1: Was I talking about Jordan Lazy Shaber Lacy Shabert, Yes, yes, 818 00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:58,000 Speaker 1: so I had no idea. She was the voice of 819 00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:00,480 Speaker 1: Meg for the entire first season, not just the pilot, 820 00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:03,160 Speaker 1: the entire first season. Actually no, she wasn't the voice 821 00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:06,640 Speaker 1: on the pilot. Seth MacFarlane's sister because he had no money, 822 00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,040 Speaker 1: got his sister to be the voice of Meg, and 823 00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,000 Speaker 1: then the rest of the first season was Lazy Saber 824 00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:15,400 Speaker 1: and then she ended up leaving after the first season, 825 00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:16,760 Speaker 1: but there was no drama involved. 826 00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,160 Speaker 2: I wanted there to be so much drama involved. Yeah, 827 00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:20,800 Speaker 2: it was literally just like she was like I was 828 00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:24,040 Speaker 2: a child and already on one TV show. 829 00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:26,640 Speaker 1: So she was on Party of five. I forgot about that. 830 00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:29,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, just she's like I needed to go to school. Uh. 831 00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:31,520 Speaker 1: Meilacunas had no such concerns. 832 00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:35,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, right, fifteen dude, was she like trafficked tier? I 833 00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:37,920 Speaker 2: don't know how she actually wound up on. 834 00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:43,120 Speaker 1: Is Aston Kutcher really into like anti human trafficking stuff? 835 00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:44,799 Speaker 2: Well yeah, I mean then there's also the fact that 836 00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:48,520 Speaker 2: he like definitely started courting her when she was like fifteen. 837 00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:51,439 Speaker 1: My favorite story about me Lacunas and I have one 838 00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:56,120 Speaker 1: was that she got was that she got her job 839 00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:59,640 Speaker 1: on that seventy show and the producers were like, are 840 00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,719 Speaker 1: you aeen? And she said, I'll be eighteen on my 841 00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:07,160 Speaker 1: birthday and she was fifteen, and she was like, yeah, 842 00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:10,600 Speaker 1: I will be eighteen on my birthday, not my next birthday. 843 00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:14,040 Speaker 2: But clever girl. That somehow worked. 844 00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:16,600 Speaker 1: Somebody must have checked. I don't know. It's a great story. 845 00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:18,080 Speaker 2: I love that print legend. 846 00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:20,279 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, but yeah, she was already working on that 847 00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:23,000 Speaker 1: seventy show when Fox asked her to audition to play 848 00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,640 Speaker 1: the voice of Meg. I'm family guy. She was fifteen 849 00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:29,319 Speaker 1: years old, working on getting her driver's permit and I 850 00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:32,720 Speaker 1: never heard this, but still battling her native Russian accent 851 00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,440 Speaker 1: for certain pronunciations. That's crazy to me. 852 00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:37,759 Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know how they got around it as 853 00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,600 Speaker 2: much on that seventies show, but like there's a whole 854 00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:42,359 Speaker 2: bit where they were talking about her trying to get 855 00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:45,719 Speaker 2: the word electricity right because she kept saying electricity. 856 00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:49,040 Speaker 1: It is crazy to me. I know, like very well, 857 00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:51,680 Speaker 1: like maybe half a dozen people who moved here in 858 00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,800 Speaker 1: their like mid to eighteens from other countries and barely 859 00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:59,200 Speaker 1: spoke English, and now they speak flawlessly without an accent. 860 00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:00,440 Speaker 2: I don't underst standard. 861 00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:03,120 Speaker 1: And I've was trained in eight years of French, as 862 00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:06,279 Speaker 1: I think, were you, And it's like nope. 863 00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:10,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but that was our fault, from picking the 864 00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:12,920 Speaker 2: lamest romance language. What are you gonna do with that? 865 00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:15,000 Speaker 2: What are you gonna take your French language? Go order 866 00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,960 Speaker 2: at a restaurant? French hate the French, hate you for 867 00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:25,040 Speaker 2: even trying. Yeah, like, what's the point As you meditate 868 00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:27,279 Speaker 2: on that, We'll be right back with more too much 869 00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:42,359 Speaker 2: information after these messages. What we're talking about again? 870 00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:44,040 Speaker 3: Uh? 871 00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:45,040 Speaker 1: Oh more voices? 872 00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:48,600 Speaker 2: Oh yeah. So, rather than have McFarlane or Borstein imitate 873 00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:51,120 Speaker 2: voices for the volley of cutaway jokes that the show 874 00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:54,040 Speaker 2: is known for, production deliberately made it a bit to 875 00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:58,719 Speaker 2: track down actors from not just you know, regular anonymous 876 00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:02,120 Speaker 2: voiceover guys like the guy who played Roadblock on G I. Joe, 877 00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:06,280 Speaker 2: but also like George Went from Cheers. Director Dan Povenmeier 878 00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:08,040 Speaker 2: told I g N that when they first reached out, 879 00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:10,439 Speaker 2: George Went was like, why didn't you guys just pull 880 00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:13,920 Speaker 2: this from Cheers? Because it's it's exactly the lines I 881 00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:17,040 Speaker 2: said in the show. And he was like, I mean, 882 00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:19,319 Speaker 2: I'm happy to get paid. But they literally brought him 883 00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:22,960 Speaker 2: in to do it for just one line. I love 884 00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:26,799 Speaker 2: that too. McFarlane got another utility hitter in his old 885 00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:29,800 Speaker 2: Rizzie buddy Mike Henry, who he tapped for the show's pilot. 886 00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:34,000 Speaker 2: Henry voices Herbert, who's the old man in the walker. Oh, 887 00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,000 Speaker 2: I'm gonna get you what I'm gonna get you? A 888 00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:42,880 Speaker 2: little Pigley ass. You get your ass back. Here's some bitch. 889 00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:46,279 Speaker 2: That's that's I think. 890 00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:48,760 Speaker 1: I think that's the one, right, I know, it's exactly 891 00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:49,120 Speaker 1: the one. 892 00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:52,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, get you a little pig ass back here, some bitch. 893 00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:55,520 Speaker 1: You know, the popsicles guy. 894 00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:58,399 Speaker 2: Jess is gonna go. Oh, Jess is gonna go out, 895 00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:05,359 Speaker 2: makes his peeps and poops. God. Well he does that, 896 00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:08,960 Speaker 2: and then he does Bruce the performance artist, who is like, oh, absolutely, 897 00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:11,000 Speaker 2: I can do Spider Man. I can pretend, like, you know, 898 00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:13,520 Speaker 2: go on a costume and shoot them with my web 899 00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:15,759 Speaker 2: fluid and pretends the kids are all just you know, 900 00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:17,680 Speaker 2: the little buds cut up in my web. 901 00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:22,600 Speaker 1: Isn't Vincent Price doing the like steamed salmon in the 902 00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:25,600 Speaker 1: dishwasher pit. It sounds like Vincent Price. 903 00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:28,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, a little bit, a little bit. And then he 904 00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:32,600 Speaker 2: also does until twenty twenty one, for reasons that should 905 00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:36,040 Speaker 2: now be obvious. He also voiced Cleveland. The show filled 906 00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:38,719 Speaker 2: out the rest of its voice talent with regular celebrities 907 00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:42,720 Speaker 2: and comics like Patrick Warburton is Peter's neighbor Joe, Jennifer 908 00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:46,040 Speaker 2: Tilly is Joe's wife Bonnie, and Norm McDonald as Death 909 00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:50,360 Speaker 2: replacing Adam Carolla, who sucks and then death replaced nor McDonald. 910 00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:55,040 Speaker 1: I know, I'm sorry. He is one of my favorite people. 911 00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:58,359 Speaker 1: I am so sorry. I'm sorry, but it was right there, 912 00:45:58,480 --> 00:45:59,839 Speaker 1: and you know what, he would have done it. 913 00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,279 Speaker 2: That's true, that's true, he would have. I just saw 914 00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:04,800 Speaker 2: this bit of him recently on talking to John Stewart 915 00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:09,000 Speaker 2: about the Crocodile Hunter, and John Stewart is like, please 916 00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:11,080 Speaker 2: don't make me laugh at this right now, man. 917 00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,239 Speaker 1: Please, because it was like the week it happened, right. 918 00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:15,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, He's like, how much it would have been sucked 919 00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:18,600 Speaker 2: to that it was a he was the Crocodile Hunter 920 00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:21,719 Speaker 2: and a sting ray got him, like at the Alligator 921 00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:25,040 Speaker 2: the Crocodile meeting the next week, and Carl's like, that 922 00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:28,520 Speaker 2: one should have been us. I almost had him shut up, Joe, No, 923 00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:34,720 Speaker 2: you didn't, is he? Maybe I'm wrong, but I feel 924 00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:35,520 Speaker 2: like a genius. 925 00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:39,320 Speaker 1: Well yes, I feel like I've never encountered a celebrity who, 926 00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:45,360 Speaker 1: instantaneously after their death was appreciated on such a vastly 927 00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:48,879 Speaker 1: higher level than he was when he was alive. Yeah, 928 00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:52,000 Speaker 1: nobody realized what a genius he was until like all 929 00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:53,920 Speaker 1: the compilation videos after he died. 930 00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:56,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think comedy fans did. I mean, he was 931 00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:59,480 Speaker 2: like big in the community and my absolute favorite. I 932 00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:02,600 Speaker 2: think it's him Corolla as death instead of Norm MacDonald. 933 00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:05,719 Speaker 2: But don't make me chase you. I got flow, Joe. 934 00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:08,719 Speaker 2: You don't think I can have flow Joe. You don't 935 00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:12,160 Speaker 2: think I can run you down and then immediately trips 936 00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:14,840 Speaker 2: and falls. But a number of other industry veterans with 937 00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:18,120 Speaker 2: some surprising resumes also helped to give voice to co Hog. 938 00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:21,359 Speaker 2: The town is named after kind of edible clam, which 939 00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:24,800 Speaker 2: appears right next to Quagmire in the dictionary, So I 940 00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:26,600 Speaker 2: think we know where he got the name for that character. 941 00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:29,520 Speaker 1: But he said edible clam, which is a really great 942 00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:32,279 Speaker 1: name for a band o ediple clam and. 943 00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:36,400 Speaker 2: Like a disorder. Yeah yeah. John G. Brannon, the creative 944 00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:40,600 Speaker 2: the Jerky Boys as mort Goldman and Horace the Bartender, 945 00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:43,760 Speaker 2: I think brought on solely because Seth Macfarlande liked Jerky Boys. 946 00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:47,360 Speaker 2: Carlos alas Raki, who I must remind everyone, is the 947 00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:49,799 Speaker 2: voice of Rocco from Rocco's Modern Life, The Talk about 948 00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:52,360 Speaker 2: Chihuahua and spy Row the Dragon. In addition to his 949 00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:55,080 Speaker 2: work on Reno Naima Wan. I think his first appearance 950 00:47:55,120 --> 00:48:00,239 Speaker 2: is as mister Weed, Peter's boss at the Factor also 951 00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:04,759 Speaker 2: does other voices. Laurie Allen, who's been playing Pearl Crabs 952 00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:08,880 Speaker 2: on SpongeBob for nearly thirty years, is also a utility 953 00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:12,120 Speaker 2: voice actor on Family Guy. Phil Lamar, who's one of 954 00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:14,719 Speaker 2: the most prolific voice actors in Hollywood. Nw Borstein from 955 00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:17,719 Speaker 2: Mad TV ems also the voice of Samurai Jack. This 956 00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:21,720 Speaker 2: is interesting, Butch Harmon, the creator of The Fairly Odd 957 00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:25,799 Speaker 2: Parents and Danny Phantom also came over to do vo 958 00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:30,200 Speaker 2: work randomly. I think that's like another animation insider connection, 959 00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:34,439 Speaker 2: because there's two connections to Fairly Odd Parents in Family Guy. 960 00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:37,960 Speaker 2: One is the show's creator, Butch Harmon, who also created 961 00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:40,480 Speaker 2: Danny Fantom, does voices on Family Guy. But then one 962 00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:43,319 Speaker 2: of the show's two composers. I don't know who they 963 00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:45,319 Speaker 2: have now, but when they first started and for a 964 00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:47,759 Speaker 2: long time, the guy's name is Ron Jones. He was 965 00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:50,600 Speaker 2: also on Fairly Godparents. So there's some kind of a 966 00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:52,920 Speaker 2: connection there, or at least McFarlane liked the show. 967 00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:56,120 Speaker 1: That would make sense. It kind of looks like twisted fifties. 968 00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:59,680 Speaker 2: Yeah. Fun fact that I also just learned. Couldn't think 969 00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:03,520 Speaker 2: anywhere else to put this the recurring Portuguese fishermen characters. 970 00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:07,200 Speaker 2: There is actually a large Portuguese American fishing community located 971 00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:09,400 Speaker 2: in southeastern Massachusetts and Rhode Island. 972 00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:11,759 Speaker 1: You found this, but I'm stealing this because I love 973 00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:12,279 Speaker 1: it so much. 974 00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:13,640 Speaker 2: Please for IMDb. 975 00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:16,880 Speaker 1: A number of actors have made their last appearances on 976 00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:20,359 Speaker 1: Family Guy. These include Waylon Jennings in two thousand and one, 977 00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:22,960 Speaker 1: All he's not really an actor, Carol Channing in two 978 00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:26,440 Speaker 1: thousand and six. She didn't die until like ten years later. 979 00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:26,759 Speaker 2: Too. 980 00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:29,719 Speaker 1: Well, she was like super old, was like one hundred. Yeah, 981 00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:32,840 Speaker 1: Roy Scheider from Jaws and all that Jazz and my 982 00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:35,640 Speaker 1: favorite Bob Fossei movies. And William Woodson in two thousand 983 00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:38,560 Speaker 1: and nine. Robert Lojia, who I totally. 984 00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:41,920 Speaker 2: Forgot, was dead in twenty thirteen. This is a nasty 985 00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:43,000 Speaker 2: way for me to find out. 986 00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:47,400 Speaker 1: Lauren Baccall and Dennis Farina in twenty fourteen, and Frank 987 00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:50,799 Speaker 1: Sinatra Junior in twenty sixteen. I can't believe he was 988 00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:54,399 Speaker 1: on on Carrie Fisher in twenty seven Yeah, we. 989 00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:57,880 Speaker 2: Didn't really talk about the Star Wars episodes, but obviously 990 00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:00,520 Speaker 2: that's its own unique niche in the Family Guy universe, 991 00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:03,080 Speaker 2: which is funny. The coolest thing about them is that 992 00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:06,080 Speaker 2: they were completely above board, Like they got permission from 993 00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:09,279 Speaker 2: Lucasfilm to do them, but then Seth MacFarlane and like 994 00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:12,839 Speaker 2: some of those showrunners, went up to Skywalker Ranch to 995 00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:16,040 Speaker 2: screen them for George Lucas and apparently he found them hilarious, 996 00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:17,319 Speaker 2: So I think. 997 00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:19,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, he was a huge fan and he basically gave 998 00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:22,000 Speaker 1: him carte blanche to do whatever they wanted indefinitely. 999 00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:24,480 Speaker 2: Hell yeah, Hell yeah. 1000 00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:27,640 Speaker 1: Disney owns Star Wars now and Disney owns twentieth Century Fox, 1001 00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:29,400 Speaker 1: So I guess, yeah. 1002 00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:32,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess that parody will never see the light 1003 00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:34,200 Speaker 2: of day, is what we guess. 1004 00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:41,600 Speaker 1: Oh, here we go, we cannot speaking of beloved properties, Yeah. 1005 00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:46,440 Speaker 2: Who could forget Batman himself Adam West playing Adam West, 1006 00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:50,719 Speaker 2: the mayor of co Hog. McFarlane met West when he 1007 00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:53,520 Speaker 2: also played himself on an episode of Johnny Bravo that 1008 00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:57,120 Speaker 2: McFarlane written, I think he was a mayor, Yes he 1009 00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:01,080 Speaker 2: was also Yeah, McFarland told the club, I think he 1010 00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:02,960 Speaker 2: likes playing into what he's known for, even on a 1011 00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:05,520 Speaker 2: casual basis. He's a really fun guy to work with 1012 00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:08,000 Speaker 2: and genuinely gets comedy. It's not the type of situation 1013 00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:10,280 Speaker 2: where you just bring someone in to make fun of themselves. 1014 00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:13,120 Speaker 2: The character we've created is kind of this alternate universe 1015 00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:15,120 Speaker 2: Adam West, where he's the mayor of this town, and 1016 00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:18,239 Speaker 2: we deliberately have not made any references to Batman because 1017 00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:21,000 Speaker 2: we like keeping that separate. It's the obvious place to go. 1018 00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:24,080 Speaker 2: The show did retire the character when West died in 1019 00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:24,960 Speaker 2: twenty seventeen. 1020 00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:27,960 Speaker 1: That was one of my favorite bits of all those 1021 00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:30,399 Speaker 1: early seasons of Family Guy. I mean the bathroom bit 1022 00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:33,120 Speaker 1: where he's like slinking through the hallway and he sees 1023 00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:36,520 Speaker 1: the three bathrooms men women, Adam West. 1024 00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:38,919 Speaker 2: He starts to go in the Anam West. No, No, 1025 00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:45,520 Speaker 2: we'll be expats five that back. It's so good. Yeah. 1026 00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:48,919 Speaker 2: And then it's funny too because they initially had named 1027 00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:51,719 Speaker 2: the high school in the show James Woods High, and 1028 00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:54,960 Speaker 2: then James Woods out of himself as like a Trump freak, 1029 00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:57,160 Speaker 2: and they renamed it Adam West High. 1030 00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:01,719 Speaker 1: So I didn't realize that, and James Woods was like on. 1031 00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:04,200 Speaker 2: The show, right, Yeah, he was in before that too. Yeah, 1032 00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:06,040 Speaker 2: And I think they just cut ties with him. I 1033 00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:08,400 Speaker 2: think like Seth, you know, Seth MacFarland is a pretty 1034 00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:13,239 Speaker 2: like you know, Northeast middle light blue Democrat, so a 1035 00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:15,840 Speaker 2: lot of his like Brian, Like Brian driving around in 1036 00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:18,560 Speaker 2: a preas with like a Hillary Clinton bumper sticker on. 1037 00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:20,600 Speaker 2: It was like a bit of a self own I think. 1038 00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:24,759 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, writer and co executive producer Steve Callahan told 1039 00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:28,040 Speaker 1: IGN in twenty twelve, for the first couple months of 1040 00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:30,920 Speaker 1: production on Family Guy, we didn't have offices and we 1041 00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:33,000 Speaker 1: were crammed into one room that was sort of being 1042 00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:35,240 Speaker 1: borrowed from King of the Hill, who. 1043 00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:36,839 Speaker 2: Hated them, who hated them. 1044 00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:39,560 Speaker 1: It was like we were caged animals in there because 1045 00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:41,799 Speaker 1: we would spend ten twelve hours a day in this 1046 00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:45,120 Speaker 1: one room and with a cast in hand. Twenty four 1047 00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:50,480 Speaker 1: year old Seth MacFarland became television's youngest executive producer probably 1048 00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:54,359 Speaker 1: still certainly, Yeah, I don't think young people are getting 1049 00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:57,520 Speaker 1: in a network TV now. And the first episode of 1050 00:52:57,560 --> 00:53:01,879 Speaker 1: Family Guy aired on January thirty, first, ninety nine, after. 1051 00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:05,040 Speaker 2: The Super Bowl. Am I remembering that right? Yes? I 1052 00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:07,560 Speaker 2: I remember watching that. Yeah, Yeah, that's why it had 1053 00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:10,239 Speaker 2: such a crazy share out of the gate. It did 1054 00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:11,480 Speaker 2: really well for a little while. 1055 00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:15,640 Speaker 1: Twenty two million or something, which is hysterical. I think 1056 00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:18,240 Speaker 1: got to like number thirty three on Nielsen's that week, 1057 00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:21,319 Speaker 1: which and for twenty two million these days is like 1058 00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:27,920 Speaker 1: the sum total of people watching network. Yes, these early 1059 00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:30,839 Speaker 1: Family Guy episodes went with dramatic titles like Death Has 1060 00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:33,920 Speaker 1: a Shadow and Mind Over Murder, and these were tributes 1061 00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:37,040 Speaker 1: to McFarland's love of radio thrillers from the nineteen thirties 1062 00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:41,000 Speaker 1: and forties. Nerd though, in his own words, it got 1063 00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:43,720 Speaker 1: confusing and stopped being funny, so we stopped. 1064 00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:46,360 Speaker 2: I appreciate the candor. 1065 00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:49,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think. I also read that he wanted every 1066 00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:52,080 Speaker 1: episode to touch on death in some way. 1067 00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:55,920 Speaker 2: Interesting I did, But good for him. Everything is touched 1068 00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:58,239 Speaker 2: by death, and you know it's coming for all of us. 1069 00:53:58,239 --> 00:53:59,920 Speaker 2: And as soon as you get right with that, soon 1070 00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:04,319 Speaker 2: you can move on with your actualization whatever that might be. 1071 00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:06,279 Speaker 2: That was just a PSA that has nothing to do 1072 00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:06,719 Speaker 2: with the show. 1073 00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:09,440 Speaker 1: Well, higel, moving on from death, let's talk about one 1074 00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:10,880 Speaker 1: of your other great loves. 1075 00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:14,160 Speaker 2: One thing that said Family Guy apart was the depth 1076 00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:17,880 Speaker 2: of its music. Yes, each episode uses a fifty to 1077 00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:20,360 Speaker 2: ninety piece orchestra. That's insane. 1078 00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:21,080 Speaker 1: Start. 1079 00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:23,000 Speaker 2: There were two guys behind that. One of them is 1080 00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:26,279 Speaker 2: Walter Murphy. And unless you already know this, not in 1081 00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:29,279 Speaker 2: a thousand years would you be able to name the 1082 00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:30,960 Speaker 2: one hit wonder He wrote. 1083 00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:35,680 Speaker 1: I actually knew this, but I will yeah, okay, flex God, 1084 00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:37,160 Speaker 1: sit down, be humble. 1085 00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:43,120 Speaker 2: Drop the Kendrick sample in there. He wrote a fifth 1086 00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:46,880 Speaker 2: of Beethoven, which is that really annoying thing that comes 1087 00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:49,920 Speaker 2: on AM radio on long drives that is like you're like, 1088 00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:54,160 Speaker 2: why are there like hats and like octave bass under 1089 00:54:54,239 --> 00:55:25,160 Speaker 2: this Beethoven thing? Walter and Murphy Baby That's Why became 1090 00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:27,359 Speaker 2: a huge hit as a single in nineteen seventy six, 1091 00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:30,520 Speaker 2: and was subsequently featured on the Saturday Night Fever soundtrack 1092 00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:35,040 Speaker 2: the following year, which itself was a giant hit. Murphy 1093 00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:38,479 Speaker 2: repeatedly tried to cash in on that formula. He made 1094 00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:42,400 Speaker 2: a showed more of disco fied classical. Oh yeah. Go 1095 00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:45,120 Speaker 2: to his Wikipedia page. The man did not know actually 1096 00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:45,960 Speaker 2: when to let it go. 1097 00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:47,360 Speaker 1: They were good. 1098 00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:50,600 Speaker 2: I did not listen to them. It's like musical theater, 1099 00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:52,960 Speaker 2: Like I like disco and I like classical music. When 1100 00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:55,520 Speaker 2: you push the two of them together, they both become terrible. 1101 00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:58,920 Speaker 2: Murphy was approached by McFarlane, who had the concept for 1102 00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:01,680 Speaker 2: the Family Guy opening sequins and its lyrics. He said, 1103 00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:03,960 Speaker 2: we're going to start with this all in the family reference, 1104 00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:06,160 Speaker 2: and then I wanted to cut away to a big, 1105 00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:09,960 Speaker 2: like show tune style Broadway number, and I have the lyrics, 1106 00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:13,200 Speaker 2: so I think it's funny. Murphy in an interview said 1107 00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:15,960 Speaker 2: something like I sent my first version to him and 1108 00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:20,680 Speaker 2: he said, make it swing more, so I did, uh, 1109 00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:23,960 Speaker 2: And then he recorded the voice actors and himself doing everything. 1110 00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:26,440 Speaker 1: He does a great version of You Make Me Feel 1111 00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:30,200 Speaker 1: So Young The Sanatcha song, Mmm like as Stewie. It's 1112 00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:30,799 Speaker 1: really good. 1113 00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:34,240 Speaker 2: He did say it was easier to sing in character 1114 00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:37,520 Speaker 2: because it like it makes you less self conscious. 1115 00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:39,960 Speaker 1: That was how I had to learn to sing. I 1116 00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:42,840 Speaker 1: had to when I wanted to do the theatrical productions 1117 00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:45,640 Speaker 1: in high school and I specifically said I don't want 1118 00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:47,920 Speaker 1: to sing, but I would like to be in them, 1119 00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:49,600 Speaker 1: and they said, well, too bad. You have to. If 1120 00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:51,480 Speaker 1: you want audition, you have to sing as part of 1121 00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:54,560 Speaker 1: the audition. And I desperately wanted to be involved because 1122 00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:56,719 Speaker 1: all the girls I liked were involved, and that was 1123 00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:58,960 Speaker 1: of course knows what you did, yeah, And so I 1124 00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:01,520 Speaker 1: was so sky. I come from a long line of 1125 00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:05,879 Speaker 1: non dancers and may we were afraid of singing, like 1126 00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:09,000 Speaker 1: It's like an actual like phobia of my father's. 1127 00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:10,880 Speaker 2: And I sort of inherited it. 1128 00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:13,920 Speaker 1: And I was so nervous that I listened to a 1129 00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:16,240 Speaker 1: bunch of probably like was seth MacFarland did a bunch 1130 00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:20,600 Speaker 1: of like fifties and sixties krooners, like Bobby Darren and 1131 00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:23,400 Speaker 1: Harry Nielsen album where we did a bunch of like 1132 00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:25,800 Speaker 1: the Great American songbook stuff, And so I just listened 1133 00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:28,720 Speaker 1: to all that, and then I just imitated them at 1134 00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:31,080 Speaker 1: the audition, and I did so well that I kept 1135 00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:32,960 Speaker 1: getting singing parts for the rest of my high school 1136 00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:35,720 Speaker 1: experience and would spend the pre show time in the 1137 00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:38,640 Speaker 1: bathroom throwing up because I was so nervous. So I 1138 00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:40,400 Speaker 1: kind of backfired, and I don't think I did it 1139 00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:43,320 Speaker 1: anyone in the drama club no, So all in all 1140 00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:44,200 Speaker 1: was a massive fail. 1141 00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:48,440 Speaker 2: This is a pretty Lore Jordan Lore heavy episode. Already, 1142 00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:50,520 Speaker 2: I'm liking this. We'll see if we can get you 1143 00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:53,120 Speaker 2: down to like a traumatic memory from grade school by 1144 00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:58,800 Speaker 2: the time, we're done. Okay. The biggest problem with recording 1145 00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:01,080 Speaker 2: the initial theme song was that Fox hadn't drafted a 1146 00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:03,960 Speaker 2: budget yet for the show's music, so they did it 1147 00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:06,440 Speaker 2: with one trumpet player playing all the trumpet parts, the 1148 00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:09,040 Speaker 2: trombone player and the sax player, and then Murphy played 1149 00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:12,160 Speaker 2: everything else. We got some background singers to come in 1150 00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:14,120 Speaker 2: and sing, and then I gave that to Seth and 1151 00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:17,720 Speaker 2: he recorded the rest of it. McFarland toldt NPR. We 1152 00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:19,720 Speaker 2: had to fight pretty hard to do a theme. It's 1153 00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:21,720 Speaker 2: a tradition that's kind of going away, and part of 1154 00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:23,400 Speaker 2: that is the networks are worried that people don't want 1155 00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:25,080 Speaker 2: to sit through the same thing week after week, and 1156 00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:28,000 Speaker 2: so shows are being discouraged from writing themes once they 1157 00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:30,360 Speaker 2: had more money. Murphy offered to re record this song, 1158 00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:33,240 Speaker 2: but McFarlane said it was perfect as it was. However, 1159 00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:35,800 Speaker 2: he did re record Stewie's line in the song in 1160 00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:38,440 Speaker 2: later seasons because too many people thought the character was 1161 00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:44,600 Speaker 2: saying ef and cry instead of laugh and cry. Nicely done, 1162 00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:46,760 Speaker 2: and yes, of course the opening is all in the 1163 00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:51,240 Speaker 2: Family of reference an homage, said McFarland. Fucking loved All 1164 00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:53,040 Speaker 2: in the Family as well he should. It's one of 1165 00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:56,200 Speaker 2: the best sitcoms ever made. Yes. Either way, Murphy has 1166 00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:59,560 Speaker 2: scored three hundred and sixty six episodes of the show, 1167 00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:04,720 Speaker 2: so it's just approaching four hundred and fifty, so aload 1168 00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:08,640 Speaker 2: of them, as well as mcfarlan's hit surprise movie Ted 1169 00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:14,280 Speaker 2: and for some reason, Agent Cody Banks. Another Family Guy composer, 1170 00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:16,800 Speaker 2: Ron Jones we mentioned at the top, came over from 1171 00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:20,080 Speaker 2: Fairly Odd Parents scored the show for its first twelve seasons. 1172 00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:24,280 Speaker 2: Jones was mentored by Leilo Friggin Schiffrin while he was 1173 00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:27,400 Speaker 2: a student, and also graduated directly into a job for 1174 00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:30,720 Speaker 2: Hannah Barbera, where he wrote the Smurfs theme for them. 1175 00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:34,080 Speaker 2: He also wrote Ductales for Disney, which is like an 1176 00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:39,520 Speaker 2: all time bang banger, and hilariously was the composer for 1177 00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:42,560 Speaker 2: the first four seasons of Star Trek the Next Generation. 1178 00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:47,160 Speaker 1: One thing that immediately dogged Family Guy was the Simpsons 1179 00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:50,760 Speaker 1: comparisons on their faces. Both shows are about working class, 1180 00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:53,760 Speaker 1: nuclear families with the same structure, though in Family Guy 1181 00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:56,880 Speaker 1: the dog talks. Are there any characters that speak in 1182 00:59:57,000 --> 00:59:59,160 Speaker 1: Simpsons that shouldn't? I think I can think of. 1183 01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:04,400 Speaker 2: No, I don't think so, but what I was going 1184 01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:08,040 Speaker 2: to say is important to note. Also, these shows ripped 1185 01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:13,360 Speaker 2: off the Honeymooners, right well every sitcom, yes exactly, but 1186 01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:17,240 Speaker 2: like yeah, but like a borish like you know, a 1187 01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:20,240 Speaker 2: lot of sitcoms didn't rip off Witched, where the husband 1188 01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:23,000 Speaker 2: was like well adjusted and handsome. They all went for 1189 01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:27,080 Speaker 2: the slovenly guy. That's true from the er slob himself. 1190 01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:29,600 Speaker 2: Jackie Gleason, Baby. 1191 01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:31,919 Speaker 1: Is he a good guy? I could imagine we were 1192 01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:33,840 Speaker 1: a new friend of the pod who put us straight 1193 01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:37,680 Speaker 1: about how Jack Benny, who I thought was a Capitol 1194 01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:41,000 Speaker 1: B couple g bad guy along the same lines as 1195 01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:44,880 Speaker 1: Bing Crosby and Bob Hope. He let us know that 1196 01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:47,680 Speaker 1: Jack Benny was one of the nicest guys in Hollywood, 1197 01:00:47,720 --> 01:00:49,880 Speaker 1: And so I retract my statement. I bet you he 1198 01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:52,360 Speaker 1: would know about Jackie Gleason. I would imagine he would 1199 01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:55,240 Speaker 1: be a tough guy who uh Gleason. 1200 01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:59,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's not great. He had an affair with 1201 01:00:59,840 --> 01:01:00,760 Speaker 2: us secretary. 1202 01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:02,800 Speaker 1: I mean that's far for the chorus. 1203 01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:04,560 Speaker 2: He had multiple affairs. 1204 01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:08,360 Speaker 1: They were still in the acceptable range for mid century 1205 01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:09,960 Speaker 1: celebrity scumbaggery. 1206 01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:11,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I don't know if he ever like 1207 01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:15,520 Speaker 2: beat up a guy or was racist, but you know 1208 01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:16,840 Speaker 2: he was he Philandered. 1209 01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:19,160 Speaker 1: I had a story that Tony Orlando told me he 1210 01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:20,920 Speaker 1: was on one of the shows that I work on. 1211 01:01:21,120 --> 01:01:22,600 Speaker 2: Of Tony Orlando and Dawn. 1212 01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:25,120 Speaker 1: Yes, this is a story of SETH mcfarli would love. 1213 01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:28,360 Speaker 1: When Tony Orlando got his network TV show in the seventies, 1214 01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:30,560 Speaker 1: the first guest that they were able to get was 1215 01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:33,160 Speaker 1: Jackie Gleeson, which is a huge get because he was, 1216 01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:36,320 Speaker 1: you know, a huge star and this was this new singer, 1217 01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:38,720 Speaker 1: had like two hits and now he's the sort of 1218 01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:41,880 Speaker 1: untried TV guy. To get like one of the biggest 1219 01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:44,160 Speaker 1: figures in TV history to come on, it was phenomenal. 1220 01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:47,160 Speaker 1: I guess jack Quite was quite exactly. It was credit coup. 1221 01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:49,400 Speaker 1: And then Jackie came in and was just kind of 1222 01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:51,240 Speaker 1: a nightmare. And then he and then he said some 1223 01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:55,680 Speaker 1: not nice things to Tony's backing singers known as Dawn, 1224 01:01:56,080 --> 01:01:58,920 Speaker 1: who were both people of color, and oh. 1225 01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:01,120 Speaker 2: So he was racist, that was the gist of it. 1226 01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:03,600 Speaker 1: And Tony told him off and basically like yelled at 1227 01:02:03,640 --> 01:02:04,800 Speaker 1: him and told him get off a set. 1228 01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:07,040 Speaker 2: And then good for Tony Orlando. 1229 01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:09,840 Speaker 1: Jackie was like chilling out in his dressing room trying 1230 01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:11,600 Speaker 1: to calm down. Then he sent word out that he 1231 01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:13,960 Speaker 1: wanted to speak to Tony, and Tony's going in there, thinking, 1232 01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:16,440 Speaker 1: oh my god, this guy's gonna shank me. And he 1233 01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:19,920 Speaker 1: goes in and Jackie apologized that was wrong, and then 1234 01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:23,040 Speaker 1: they became friendly. And then from that point onward, after 1235 01:02:23,080 --> 01:02:26,240 Speaker 1: every episode of the Tony Orlando Show, Jackie would call 1236 01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:30,200 Speaker 1: him and give him affectionate notes and they became friends. 1237 01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:33,960 Speaker 2: That's cute. Yeah, I like that. Yeah, he learned not 1238 01:02:34,040 --> 01:02:35,920 Speaker 2: to be racist in front of a person of color. 1239 01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:39,080 Speaker 2: Is Tony Orlando a person of color? Can I say that? 1240 01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:42,080 Speaker 1: I think he's He's a Greek father and a Puerto 1241 01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:42,640 Speaker 1: Rican mother. 1242 01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:47,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, that counts. We'll run him into the constitution. Oh well, 1243 01:02:47,600 --> 01:02:48,120 Speaker 2: hell are we? 1244 01:02:48,200 --> 01:02:50,160 Speaker 1: I have no idea where we are now to start 1245 01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:50,720 Speaker 1: a new section. 1246 01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:54,200 Speaker 2: Oh we haven't even gotten there yet. Oh oh okay, 1247 01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:55,440 Speaker 2: Simpson's a family guy. 1248 01:02:55,600 --> 01:02:59,000 Speaker 1: That was it, okay. McFarlane has always been opened about 1249 01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:02,360 Speaker 1: his love for the Simpson telling ign I love the Simpsons. 1250 01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:06,880 Speaker 1: I could have transitioned that better. Sorry, And it sort 1251 01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:08,760 Speaker 1: of laid the groundwork, sort of paved the way for 1252 01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:12,400 Speaker 1: subsequent animated shows, they sort of established the new method 1253 01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:16,960 Speaker 1: of doing primetime animation, but unfortunately this feeling wasn't mutual. 1254 01:03:17,080 --> 01:03:18,400 Speaker 2: As McFarland explained to The. 1255 01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:21,280 Speaker 1: Av Club in two thousand and five, apparently the Simpsons 1256 01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:22,320 Speaker 1: team hate our guts. 1257 01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:24,480 Speaker 2: I'm not sure why I've. 1258 01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:26,720 Speaker 1: Said this before, but that show at its best is 1259 01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:28,960 Speaker 1: up there with the best episodes all in the Family, 1260 01:03:29,040 --> 01:03:31,320 Speaker 1: Mary Tyler Moore and Dick Van Dyke. I was reading 1261 01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:33,080 Speaker 1: a quote from one of the writers from a lecture 1262 01:03:33,120 --> 01:03:36,240 Speaker 1: that he gave, and he said, quote, the Simpsons staff 1263 01:03:36,280 --> 01:03:39,080 Speaker 1: hates Family Guy for a sath. That's got a sting. 1264 01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:42,160 Speaker 2: Although they he and Matt Groening did like a panel 1265 01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:45,080 Speaker 2: interview many years later where they were like talking about it. 1266 01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:47,120 Speaker 2: But it's kind of funny because I don't even think 1267 01:03:47,120 --> 01:03:49,200 Speaker 2: Matt Graining was involved in the writing at this point. 1268 01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:52,680 Speaker 1: No, yeah, no. One of the earliest examples of this 1269 01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:55,520 Speaker 1: beef that you can find is from Simpsons writer and 1270 01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:58,400 Speaker 1: show owner Al Jean in a two thousand and three interview. 1271 01:03:58,640 --> 01:04:00,600 Speaker 1: I wasn't a big fan of Family Guys, he said, 1272 01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:02,480 Speaker 1: to be honest, I thought it was a little too 1273 01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:05,040 Speaker 1: derivative of The Simpsons, to the point where I would 1274 01:04:05,040 --> 01:04:07,200 Speaker 1: see jokes we did on The Simpsons, or a critic 1275 01:04:07,240 --> 01:04:11,880 Speaker 1: on Family Guy, they should be more original. Rich Appell, 1276 01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:14,160 Speaker 1: who was a writer and became a showrunner on King 1277 01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:16,600 Speaker 1: of the Hill before becoming a showrunner on Family Guy, 1278 01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:18,960 Speaker 1: was in the writer's room for The Simpsons when it 1279 01:04:19,040 --> 01:04:21,440 Speaker 1: was canceled. I remember being a writer. 1280 01:04:23,240 --> 01:04:24,840 Speaker 2: Because The Simpsons has never been canceled. 1281 01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:28,400 Speaker 1: It never will be. Yeah, it will be limping through 1282 01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:32,000 Speaker 1: until the asteroid comes. I remember being a writer at 1283 01:04:32,040 --> 01:04:34,120 Speaker 1: the Simpsons when the Family Guy was canceled, and then 1284 01:04:34,120 --> 01:04:36,240 Speaker 1: I thought, good riddance. He told the La Times in 1285 01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:39,000 Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, there's only so much nipping at your 1286 01:04:39,040 --> 01:04:43,400 Speaker 1: heels you can really indulge. Writer Mike Rice wrote in 1287 01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:47,440 Speaker 1: the twenty eighteen book Springfield Confidential that quote. When Family 1288 01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:50,440 Speaker 1: Guy debuted ten years into the Simpsons run, our younger 1289 01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:53,760 Speaker 1: writers were incensed. It's just vulgar, it moves too fast, 1290 01:04:53,960 --> 01:04:57,120 Speaker 1: it's nothing but pop culture references. I had to laugh. 1291 01:04:57,280 --> 01:04:59,240 Speaker 1: These are all the things people said about The Simpsons 1292 01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:03,080 Speaker 1: when it began. Staff would complain endlessly about Family Guy. 1293 01:05:03,160 --> 01:05:07,959 Speaker 1: He continued managing the whole two completely contradictory opinions. One, 1294 01:05:08,120 --> 01:05:11,280 Speaker 1: it's exactly like our show. And two they do things 1295 01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:14,840 Speaker 1: we'd never do. The latter is where the show's charm lies. 1296 01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:18,160 Speaker 1: He continues, I'm a jaded old TV writer, but that 1297 01:05:18,280 --> 01:05:21,160 Speaker 1: show somehow manages to shock me on a weekly basis. 1298 01:05:21,600 --> 01:05:23,280 Speaker 1: That might be We're touching on this at the beginning 1299 01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:26,760 Speaker 1: of the episode after watching Family Guy, the Simpsons never 1300 01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:29,440 Speaker 1: really shocked me again, I think that maybe it was part. 1301 01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:31,040 Speaker 2: No, But I mean, I think that a lot of 1302 01:05:31,080 --> 01:05:34,960 Speaker 2: people are missing the the very like the important cultural 1303 01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:38,320 Speaker 2: context that like, when The Simpsons first came out, it 1304 01:05:38,360 --> 01:05:41,280 Speaker 2: was a moral outrage. I mean the fact that Bart said, 1305 01:05:41,360 --> 01:05:44,080 Speaker 2: like what the hell, and like eat my shorts, told 1306 01:05:44,080 --> 01:05:46,400 Speaker 2: his dad to eat my shorts. Like people were fully 1307 01:05:46,720 --> 01:05:49,400 Speaker 2: like the Reagan nights that were, you know, still breathing, 1308 01:05:49,480 --> 01:05:52,360 Speaker 2: were like fully in a moral panic about this. And 1309 01:05:52,800 --> 01:05:55,200 Speaker 2: so it is funny that he says it's the younger 1310 01:05:55,240 --> 01:05:59,240 Speaker 2: writers who came in about it, because yeah, they probably 1311 01:05:59,240 --> 01:06:01,720 Speaker 2: felt like it was beneath them, but they hadn't been 1312 01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:03,840 Speaker 2: there when that show was the punching bag. 1313 01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:06,959 Speaker 1: You know, was it Barbara Bush or Nancy Reagan who 1314 01:06:07,160 --> 01:06:10,760 Speaker 1: called out Marge Simpson in a speech and then somebody 1315 01:06:10,800 --> 01:06:13,800 Speaker 1: from the Simpsons Show wrote a letter as Marge that 1316 01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:15,760 Speaker 1: was like very sweet, like. 1317 01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:18,640 Speaker 2: You know, I I don't know anything about that. Oh 1318 01:06:18,720 --> 01:06:20,080 Speaker 2: oh wait a minute, I need to pull this out. 1319 01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:22,560 Speaker 2: I know Barbara Bush. I think Barbara Bush had talked 1320 01:06:22,600 --> 01:06:25,560 Speaker 2: a lot about the bar Was Barbara Bush? Yeah, she 1321 01:06:25,640 --> 01:06:27,320 Speaker 2: talked a lot about the Simpsons. Yeah. 1322 01:06:27,320 --> 01:06:30,840 Speaker 1: It was a note to Barbara Bush obstensively from Marge Simpson. 1323 01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:34,160 Speaker 1: Dear first lady, I recently read your criticism of my family. 1324 01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:37,040 Speaker 2: I was deeply hurt. Heaven. Those were far from. 1325 01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:39,480 Speaker 1: Perfect, and, if truth be known, maybe just a wee 1326 01:06:39,520 --> 01:06:42,440 Speaker 1: bit short of normal. But as doctor SEUs says, a 1327 01:06:42,520 --> 01:06:45,760 Speaker 1: person is a person. I try to teach my children Bart, 1328 01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:48,720 Speaker 1: Lisa and even little Maggie always to give somebody the 1329 01:06:48,760 --> 01:06:51,080 Speaker 1: benefit of the doubt and not talk badly about them, 1330 01:06:51,120 --> 01:06:53,280 Speaker 1: even if they're rich. It's hard to get them to 1331 01:06:53,360 --> 01:06:55,680 Speaker 1: understand this advice when the very first lady in the 1332 01:06:55,720 --> 01:06:59,160 Speaker 1: country falls us not only dumb, but quote the dumbest 1333 01:06:59,200 --> 01:07:02,040 Speaker 1: thing she ever said. All, ma'am, if we're the dumbest 1334 01:07:02,040 --> 01:07:04,360 Speaker 1: thing you ever saw, Washington, must be a good deal 1335 01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:05,600 Speaker 1: different than what they teach. 1336 01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:07,040 Speaker 2: Me at Current Events group at the church. 1337 01:07:08,360 --> 01:07:10,240 Speaker 1: I always believed in my heart that we had a 1338 01:07:10,240 --> 01:07:12,880 Speaker 1: great deal in common, each of us living our lives 1339 01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:15,680 Speaker 1: to serve an exceptional man. I hope there is some 1340 01:07:15,720 --> 01:07:19,160 Speaker 1: way out of this controversy. I thought perhaps it would 1341 01:07:19,160 --> 01:07:21,320 Speaker 1: be a good start to just speak my mind with 1342 01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:22,040 Speaker 1: great respect. 1343 01:07:22,120 --> 01:07:26,040 Speaker 2: Marge Simpson that manages like a shocking number of like 1344 01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:30,360 Speaker 2: very subtle jabs. Yes, Starbush, I mean again. 1345 01:07:30,120 --> 01:07:34,360 Speaker 1: All those Simpsons writers are all Harvard educated, Like, yeah, yeah, 1346 01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:36,960 Speaker 1: Barbara Bush wrote back, Dear Marge, how kind of you 1347 01:07:37,000 --> 01:07:40,200 Speaker 1: to write, I'm glad you spoke your mind thought dot dot. 1348 01:07:40,240 --> 01:07:42,000 Speaker 2: I foolishly didn't know you had one. 1349 01:07:43,080 --> 01:07:45,160 Speaker 1: I'm looking at a picture of you depicted on a 1350 01:07:45,200 --> 01:07:48,360 Speaker 1: plastic cup with your blue hair filled with pink birds 1351 01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:52,880 Speaker 1: peeking out all over. Evidently you and your charming family Lisa, Homer, 1352 01:07:52,960 --> 01:07:56,000 Speaker 1: Bart and Maggie are camping out. It is a nice 1353 01:07:56,040 --> 01:07:59,200 Speaker 1: family scene. Clearly you're setting a good example for the 1354 01:07:59,200 --> 01:08:03,160 Speaker 1: rest of the country. Please forgive a loose tongue warmly, 1355 01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:05,560 Speaker 1: Barbara Bush. 1356 01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:08,360 Speaker 2: I mean, that's certainly one of the stupid things to 1357 01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:09,560 Speaker 2: ever come out of the White House. 1358 01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:13,920 Speaker 1: But oh so, ps Homer looks like a handsome fella. 1359 01:08:14,600 --> 01:08:17,760 Speaker 1: Oh god, well, and minus five for making us think 1360 01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:18,920 Speaker 1: of Barbara Bush's tongue. 1361 01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:31,720 Speaker 2: Also, yeah, man, people were stupid back then. Just this 1362 01:08:31,840 --> 01:08:34,240 Speaker 2: was the bread and circuses that kept us from focusing 1363 01:08:34,280 --> 01:08:38,360 Speaker 2: on you know, all the all the like, the encroachment 1364 01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:43,000 Speaker 2: of neoliberal economy that we were about to wreck our country. 1365 01:08:43,040 --> 01:08:50,120 Speaker 2: And this is where you fade me out. As you 1366 01:08:50,160 --> 01:08:54,080 Speaker 2: mentioned earlier. Matt Groening, the creator of The Simpsons, did. 1367 01:08:53,960 --> 01:08:58,000 Speaker 1: A panel interview alongside Seth MacFarland in a twenty fourteen 1368 01:08:58,160 --> 01:09:02,120 Speaker 1: issue of Entertainment Weekly. In this interview, Granny Grimmembered's initial 1369 01:09:02,160 --> 01:09:04,640 Speaker 1: reaction to Family Guy. He said, my first take was, 1370 01:09:04,880 --> 01:09:08,160 Speaker 1: oh my god, he got competition and they're out flanking us. 1371 01:09:08,600 --> 01:09:12,160 Speaker 1: This show is wilder and harsher and nastier. We used 1372 01:09:12,160 --> 01:09:14,320 Speaker 1: to get in trouble. We used to be the cause 1373 01:09:14,360 --> 01:09:15,520 Speaker 1: of the downfall. 1374 01:09:15,120 --> 01:09:17,479 Speaker 2: Of the United States. And then speaking to. 1375 01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:20,639 Speaker 1: MacFarlane, he said, you guys completely have your own style. 1376 01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:23,280 Speaker 1: At the very beginning, you were accused of copying us, 1377 01:09:23,600 --> 01:09:26,240 Speaker 1: and we were accused of copying you. So I stopped 1378 01:09:26,240 --> 01:09:28,280 Speaker 1: watching your show just because I didn't want it to 1379 01:09:28,280 --> 01:09:32,040 Speaker 1: be in my head. But they took this rivalry on 1380 01:09:32,120 --> 01:09:35,080 Speaker 1: air at certain points. It's got vicious. 1381 01:09:36,040 --> 01:09:39,120 Speaker 2: Yeah Yeah. The first on air shot across the Bow 1382 01:09:39,439 --> 01:09:42,120 Speaker 2: appeared in two thousand and two Treehouse of Horror episode 1383 01:09:42,120 --> 01:09:44,600 Speaker 2: on The Simpsons, the camera pans across the field of 1384 01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:47,400 Speaker 2: clones Homer has created with a machine, and hidden among 1385 01:09:47,439 --> 01:09:50,120 Speaker 2: them is Peter Griffin. Then, in the two thousand and 1386 01:09:50,160 --> 01:09:53,200 Speaker 2: five episode The Italian Bob, there was a gag where 1387 01:09:53,200 --> 01:09:56,559 Speaker 2: the Italian police leafed through a handy book of American crimes, 1388 01:09:56,720 --> 01:09:59,720 Speaker 2: on which the third page read Plagiardismo with a drawing 1389 01:09:59,720 --> 01:10:03,240 Speaker 2: of peace others were weighing in. In the final episode 1390 01:10:03,280 --> 01:10:06,680 Speaker 2: of Clerks, the animated series, Kevin Smith added a deliberately 1391 01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:10,639 Speaker 2: unfunny comedy writer character who was seen studying a book 1392 01:10:10,800 --> 01:10:13,760 Speaker 2: titled How to Write Cartoons by Seth MacFarlane and then 1393 01:10:13,800 --> 01:10:18,120 Speaker 2: pitching an extremely stupid homophobic idea. Yeah, Kevin Smith, because 1394 01:10:18,160 --> 01:10:21,760 Speaker 2: you've got so much to stand on. South Park took 1395 01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:24,400 Speaker 2: much more pointed aim at Family Guy, though, and they 1396 01:10:24,400 --> 01:10:28,200 Speaker 2: are two part season ten special Cartoon Wars in which 1397 01:10:28,320 --> 01:10:31,120 Speaker 2: Cartman attempts to get Family Guy canceled by claiming that 1398 01:10:31,200 --> 01:10:35,599 Speaker 2: a new episode will include a depiction of the prophet Mohammed, which, 1399 01:10:36,880 --> 01:10:39,400 Speaker 2: for those of you lacking context, you did not do 1400 01:10:40,200 --> 01:10:43,439 Speaker 2: in Islam, and that was one of the reasons for 1401 01:10:43,479 --> 01:10:47,599 Speaker 2: the terrorist attack on the French satirical magazine Charlie. 1402 01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:50,599 Speaker 1: Hebdo my correct with that? Jordan's correct? Yes, that's correct 1403 01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:52,080 Speaker 1: in twenty fifteen, I believe. 1404 01:10:52,200 --> 01:10:53,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, well we'll wear an it. 1405 01:10:55,080 --> 01:10:57,519 Speaker 4: This isn't what I signed up for. I like Family Guy. 1406 01:10:57,720 --> 01:10:59,320 Speaker 4: Why do we have to get off the air forever? 1407 01:10:59,439 --> 01:11:01,519 Speaker 4: You should like show your sense of humor is just 1408 01:11:01,640 --> 01:11:06,160 Speaker 4: like Family Guy. Don't you ever ever compare me to 1409 01:11:06,240 --> 01:11:08,320 Speaker 4: Family Guy? You hear me, come out, compare me to 1410 01:11:08,400 --> 01:11:10,639 Speaker 4: Family Guy again, and so help me. I will kill 1411 01:11:10,640 --> 01:11:13,760 Speaker 4: you where you stand. You just want Family Guy off 1412 01:11:13,760 --> 01:11:15,720 Speaker 4: the air? Do you have any idea what it's sech 1413 01:11:16,600 --> 01:11:18,960 Speaker 4: everywhere I go? Hey, Common, you bess that Family Guy? 1414 01:11:19,400 --> 01:11:21,439 Speaker 4: Hey you said to human reminds me of Family Guy. Common. 1415 01:11:21,920 --> 01:11:24,880 Speaker 4: I am nothing like Family Guy When I make jokes 1416 01:11:24,920 --> 01:11:28,240 Speaker 4: there inherit to a story, deep situational and emotional jokes 1417 01:11:28,280 --> 01:11:30,559 Speaker 4: based on what is relevant and has a point, not 1418 01:11:30,640 --> 01:11:32,639 Speaker 4: just one random interchangeable. 1419 01:11:32,080 --> 01:11:34,599 Speaker 2: Joke after an Eventually, in the courts of this episode, 1420 01:11:34,600 --> 01:11:37,840 Speaker 2: it gets revealed that the Family Guy's staff writers are manatees. 1421 01:11:38,280 --> 01:11:42,439 Speaker 2: Using a random sentence generator controlled by idea bles that 1422 01:11:42,479 --> 01:11:45,080 Speaker 2: are lowered into their tank to create the show's signature 1423 01:11:45,080 --> 01:11:45,920 Speaker 2: cutaway gags. 1424 01:11:46,160 --> 01:11:47,880 Speaker 1: I love this episode so much. 1425 01:11:48,320 --> 01:11:50,960 Speaker 2: I mean, it's funny. Yeah, I don't know, man, I 1426 01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:53,439 Speaker 2: just never caught into South Park. I kind of always 1427 01:11:53,520 --> 01:11:56,240 Speaker 2: just felt it was, uh, it just felt like bullying. 1428 01:11:56,479 --> 01:11:57,240 Speaker 1: That's interesting. 1429 01:11:57,640 --> 01:12:00,960 Speaker 2: I don't feel that that show ever. Like their attitudes 1430 01:12:01,200 --> 01:12:04,240 Speaker 2: that became a parent and everything were just like, you know, 1431 01:12:04,720 --> 01:12:07,000 Speaker 2: like we're the smartest guys in the room. We can 1432 01:12:07,040 --> 01:12:10,439 Speaker 2: say this, and we can say that and whatever. And 1433 01:12:10,520 --> 01:12:13,400 Speaker 2: I just never I don't know. I'd be hard pressed 1434 01:12:13,400 --> 01:12:14,720 Speaker 2: to articulate it further than that. 1435 01:12:14,920 --> 01:12:17,320 Speaker 1: They're the Becker and Fagin of a turn of the 1436 01:12:17,360 --> 01:12:19,400 Speaker 1: century comedy misanthropes. 1437 01:12:19,720 --> 01:12:22,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, except I'd like to see them make you can't 1438 01:12:22,040 --> 01:12:28,000 Speaker 2: buy a thrill. Putts is playing around with instruction paper, Yeah, 1439 01:12:28,080 --> 01:12:32,920 Speaker 2: doing child's voices into their sixties. That show's still on, right. 1440 01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:36,080 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, good for them. I don't think they're even 1441 01:12:36,200 --> 01:12:38,240 Speaker 1: all that old as fifty five. 1442 01:12:38,320 --> 01:12:44,639 Speaker 2: Okay, time is a cruel mistress. South Park show runner 1443 01:12:44,680 --> 01:12:46,559 Speaker 2: Trey Parker told The New York Times in two thousand 1444 01:12:46,560 --> 01:12:49,160 Speaker 2: and five, we kept running into people that are just like, oh, 1445 01:12:49,200 --> 01:12:51,519 Speaker 2: you guys do South Park. I love that show and 1446 01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:54,439 Speaker 2: Family Guy that's the best. You must love Family Guy, 1447 01:12:54,800 --> 01:12:57,519 Speaker 2: and we were like, no, we really hate Family Guy. Still, 1448 01:12:57,560 --> 01:13:00,000 Speaker 2: in the same interview, Matt Stone admitted they completely ignore 1449 01:13:00,439 --> 01:13:02,720 Speaker 2: so it's fine. It's a one way war, to which 1450 01:13:02,760 --> 01:13:05,080 Speaker 2: Parker then added, they're making a lot more money than 1451 01:13:05,120 --> 01:13:06,960 Speaker 2: we are, so I don't think they care very much. 1452 01:13:07,720 --> 01:13:10,439 Speaker 2: In the wake of the South Park episode, Parker claimed, 1453 01:13:10,600 --> 01:13:13,200 Speaker 2: when we did the Muhammed episode, we got flowers from 1454 01:13:13,200 --> 01:13:15,800 Speaker 2: the Simpsons people because we ripped on Family Guy. Then 1455 01:13:15,840 --> 01:13:17,559 Speaker 2: we got calls from the King of the Hill people 1456 01:13:17,600 --> 01:13:20,639 Speaker 2: saying you're doing God's work ripping on Family Guy. 1457 01:13:20,840 --> 01:13:21,360 Speaker 1: That's great. 1458 01:13:21,479 --> 01:13:25,720 Speaker 2: The worst of Family Guys responses to this was admittedly 1459 01:13:26,479 --> 01:13:30,840 Speaker 2: a bit much. Yeah. In the September two thousand and 1460 01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:35,240 Speaker 2: seven episode moving out Parentheses Brian's song, the show threw 1461 01:13:35,320 --> 01:13:37,320 Speaker 2: up a fake bumper ad and the lower third of 1462 01:13:37,360 --> 01:13:39,160 Speaker 2: the screen, which is one of those like you know 1463 01:13:39,200 --> 01:13:42,200 Speaker 2: they'll scroll of the lower third of the screen will 1464 01:13:42,240 --> 01:13:46,160 Speaker 2: have like a network animation promoting another show, and this 1465 01:13:46,320 --> 01:13:49,799 Speaker 2: was promoting The Simpsons featuring March As the regular episode. 1466 01:13:49,800 --> 01:13:53,080 Speaker 2: The Family Guy episode continues, there's an entirely separate plot 1467 01:13:53,120 --> 01:13:58,200 Speaker 2: happening in the lower third animation, in which Quagmire attempts 1468 01:13:58,400 --> 01:14:04,479 Speaker 2: and then apparently succeeds in sexually assaulting Marge, who then, 1469 01:14:05,120 --> 01:14:09,360 Speaker 2: apparently converted by this experience, invites him back to the 1470 01:14:09,400 --> 01:14:12,640 Speaker 2: Simpson house in Springfield. So then they cut away to 1471 01:14:12,720 --> 01:14:17,200 Speaker 2: the Simpson House entirely seen in exterior, and then the 1472 01:14:17,240 --> 01:14:21,840 Speaker 2: dialogue and sounds suggest that when Homer discovers them, Quagmire 1473 01:14:21,840 --> 01:14:25,519 Speaker 2: shoots him and then the rest of the family. There 1474 01:14:25,600 --> 01:14:29,840 Speaker 2: is a long pause after four of the gunshots, implying 1475 01:14:29,880 --> 01:14:32,240 Speaker 2: that it took him a minute, but he did indeed 1476 01:14:32,280 --> 01:14:35,880 Speaker 2: shoot Maggie the baby, Yes, the baby. Needless to say, 1477 01:14:35,880 --> 01:14:39,120 Speaker 2: this was widely decried, although McFarland defended it on the 1478 01:14:39,200 --> 01:14:42,360 Speaker 2: DVD commentary for the episode, calling the scene a little 1479 01:14:42,400 --> 01:14:45,720 Speaker 2: shot that Fox told him he couldn't do. He had 1480 01:14:45,760 --> 01:14:49,080 Speaker 2: that Fox was afraid of Simpson showrunner James L. Brooks, 1481 01:14:49,240 --> 01:14:50,000 Speaker 2: and not us. 1482 01:14:50,400 --> 01:14:52,240 Speaker 1: I think I read that that didn't actually make it 1483 01:14:52,280 --> 01:14:55,559 Speaker 1: to air, It just became I'd read that. Yeah, there 1484 01:14:55,560 --> 01:14:57,760 Speaker 1: were two versions of every show made, one that was 1485 01:14:57,800 --> 01:15:00,000 Speaker 1: broadcast and one that was for streaming in DVDs. 1486 01:15:00,680 --> 01:15:02,680 Speaker 2: Yes, but I mean, at this point, they didn't know 1487 01:15:02,720 --> 01:15:04,479 Speaker 2: that there was going to be a dB deally, so 1488 01:15:04,760 --> 01:15:06,760 Speaker 2: they I understand why he was angry that it had 1489 01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:09,640 Speaker 2: just been cut completely. And yeah, I mean it's a 1490 01:15:09,640 --> 01:15:13,639 Speaker 2: bit much, but it is proportional to family guys, you know. Deal. 1491 01:15:14,040 --> 01:15:15,559 Speaker 2: You know, of course they were going to take it 1492 01:15:15,560 --> 01:15:20,599 Speaker 2: somewhere that was horrifyingly dark. Yes, and you know, to 1493 01:15:20,640 --> 01:15:24,080 Speaker 2: me again, it's not that it's like that it was 1494 01:15:24,120 --> 01:15:26,160 Speaker 2: a rape joke. It was the fact that it was 1495 01:15:26,160 --> 01:15:30,080 Speaker 2: a rape joke that culminated in the gun murder of 1496 01:15:30,120 --> 01:15:36,519 Speaker 2: a chot of a baby yea, and several children. Several children. Yes, yeah, uh, 1497 01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:38,599 Speaker 2: you know, somebody's got to go there. 1498 01:15:38,680 --> 01:15:40,400 Speaker 1: But on the flip side, you've got some great facts 1499 01:15:40,400 --> 01:15:41,160 Speaker 1: about Quagmire. 1500 01:15:41,240 --> 01:15:43,599 Speaker 2: For me, I did did you know that Quagmires based 1501 01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:46,040 Speaker 2: on Bob Hope that I didn't know. 1502 01:15:46,320 --> 01:15:48,360 Speaker 1: I knew he was supposed to be like an anachronistic 1503 01:15:48,439 --> 01:15:51,519 Speaker 1: fifties guy, but I didn't know he was specifically Bob Hope. 1504 01:15:51,560 --> 01:15:53,000 Speaker 2: See. I think he was a little bit supposed to 1505 01:15:53,040 --> 01:15:55,479 Speaker 2: be more of like a seventies swinger, like an eg 1506 01:15:55,760 --> 01:15:59,719 Speaker 2: Bob Hope character, you know. But I think that large 1507 01:16:00,360 --> 01:16:03,040 Speaker 2: jaw is probably the most identifiable part of that. 1508 01:16:03,880 --> 01:16:07,080 Speaker 1: An episode where Peter and his friends get a look 1509 01:16:07,080 --> 01:16:10,280 Speaker 1: at Quiguire's driver's license. He apparently was born in nineteen 1510 01:16:10,360 --> 01:16:17,040 Speaker 1: forty eight, which means that he's like pushing eighty. That's weird, 1511 01:16:17,560 --> 01:16:21,040 Speaker 1: and the secret to his youthful appearance carrots. He said, 1512 01:16:21,120 --> 01:16:23,120 Speaker 1: some of the ways you can expect and some of 1513 01:16:23,160 --> 01:16:25,880 Speaker 1: the ways that you could also expect because it's Family Guy. 1514 01:16:26,280 --> 01:16:29,400 Speaker 2: Eventually, the Simpsons Family Guy crossed over to a full 1515 01:16:29,439 --> 01:16:31,920 Speaker 2: on crossover special in twenty fourteen. 1516 01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:33,639 Speaker 1: I had no memory of this. I thought it would 1517 01:16:33,680 --> 01:16:34,719 Speaker 1: have been a bigger news story. 1518 01:16:34,840 --> 01:16:37,240 Speaker 2: Oh, I definitely had stopped watching any of this stuff 1519 01:16:37,240 --> 01:16:40,320 Speaker 2: by then. What was I doing in twenty fourteen, I 1520 01:16:40,360 --> 01:16:41,680 Speaker 2: was playing a lot of shows. I don't think I 1521 01:16:41,720 --> 01:16:43,680 Speaker 2: was watching any I mean this is I didn't have 1522 01:16:43,720 --> 01:16:45,599 Speaker 2: a TV. I stopped having a TV when I moved 1523 01:16:45,640 --> 01:16:48,160 Speaker 2: to New York, you know. And I wasn't spending a 1524 01:16:48,160 --> 01:16:50,439 Speaker 2: lot of time watching streaming unless I passed out in 1525 01:16:50,439 --> 01:16:56,519 Speaker 2: front of it. Simpsons writer Mike Rice thought that Matt 1526 01:16:56,520 --> 01:16:59,559 Speaker 2: Groening and James L. Brooks would want more control over 1527 01:16:59,600 --> 01:17:02,400 Speaker 2: the episode, but the pair told the Family Guy team 1528 01:17:02,640 --> 01:17:05,000 Speaker 2: good luck with the crossover. We'll watch it when it airs. 1529 01:17:05,920 --> 01:17:08,559 Speaker 2: Rice added in the end, everyone from both camps loved it, 1530 01:17:08,920 --> 01:17:11,560 Speaker 2: except for maybe Seth McFarlane. The running theme of the 1531 01:17:11,600 --> 01:17:14,000 Speaker 2: episode was that Family Guy stole everything from The Simpsons, 1532 01:17:14,040 --> 01:17:15,880 Speaker 2: and they made this point over and over and over 1533 01:17:15,920 --> 01:17:18,519 Speaker 2: and over. Apparently at some point Seth told the staff 1534 01:17:18,640 --> 01:17:21,880 Speaker 2: guys enough On the flip side, you know Seth's favorite 1535 01:17:21,880 --> 01:17:24,720 Speaker 2: Family Guy bit. I remember this bit seeing it written out. 1536 01:17:25,680 --> 01:17:28,759 Speaker 1: It's when Lois looks back on all the food they've wasted, 1537 01:17:28,880 --> 01:17:31,920 Speaker 1: and they cut to Peter trying to feed Tom Selick 1538 01:17:32,080 --> 01:17:35,280 Speaker 1: peas from a spoon through the TV screen and. 1539 01:17:35,240 --> 01:17:37,320 Speaker 2: When it changes characters. 1540 01:17:37,160 --> 01:17:38,880 Speaker 1: None for you, Higgins, you had yours? 1541 01:17:39,479 --> 01:17:43,400 Speaker 2: Hey, Hey, none for you Higgins trying to steal time 1542 01:17:43,479 --> 01:17:44,320 Speaker 2: Shalick food. 1543 01:17:44,640 --> 01:17:50,760 Speaker 1: No, No, you've had yours. We don't have time to 1544 01:17:50,880 --> 01:17:54,160 Speaker 1: touch on literally every time someone said Family Guy went 1545 01:17:54,200 --> 01:18:00,920 Speaker 1: too far. This joke's about Terry Schivo, Sarah Palin's sung trig, transphobe, homophobia, 1546 01:18:00,960 --> 01:18:03,560 Speaker 1: domestic violence, the Boston Marathon bombing. 1547 01:18:03,800 --> 01:18:09,320 Speaker 2: What have you, and the rest and the but I well. 1548 01:18:09,160 --> 01:18:12,719 Speaker 1: Heigel want to highlight how furious the right wing TV 1549 01:18:12,840 --> 01:18:16,439 Speaker 1: morality group, the Parents Television Council war at Family Guy. 1550 01:18:16,760 --> 01:18:19,719 Speaker 1: In May two thousand, in an email, the Parents Television 1551 01:18:19,720 --> 01:18:22,920 Speaker 1: Council launched a letter writing campaign to the Fox network 1552 01:18:23,240 --> 01:18:26,760 Speaker 1: to persuade the network to cancel Family Guy. This is 1553 01:18:26,800 --> 01:18:30,360 Speaker 1: before it was canceled the first time. Family Guy made 1554 01:18:30,360 --> 01:18:33,479 Speaker 1: the PTCs two thousand, two thousand and five, and two 1555 01:18:33,520 --> 01:18:37,639 Speaker 1: thousand and six lists of worst primetime shows for family viewing, 1556 01:18:38,280 --> 01:18:41,840 Speaker 1: with over forty Family Guy episodes listed as worst TV 1557 01:18:41,960 --> 01:18:44,599 Speaker 1: shows of the week. I think forty four to be exact, 1558 01:18:44,960 --> 01:18:49,080 Speaker 1: which is a record for the watchdog Agency. This was 1559 01:18:49,160 --> 01:18:53,840 Speaker 1: due to profanity, animated nudity, and violence, and the series 1560 01:18:53,920 --> 01:18:56,160 Speaker 1: was also named the worst show of the two thousand 1561 01:18:56,200 --> 01:18:59,160 Speaker 1: and six two thousand and seven season by the PTC. 1562 01:18:59,640 --> 01:19:03,880 Speaker 1: They all filed multiple complaints, but the FCC that's kind 1563 01:19:03,920 --> 01:19:05,519 Speaker 1: of the thing that the PTC does. 1564 01:19:06,080 --> 01:19:06,680 Speaker 2: Yeah. 1565 01:19:06,720 --> 01:19:10,320 Speaker 1: For the show's one hundredth episode special seth MacFarland interviewed 1566 01:19:10,360 --> 01:19:13,040 Speaker 1: people who hated Family Guy, hiding the fact that they 1567 01:19:13,040 --> 01:19:15,400 Speaker 1: were speaking to the show's creator. I kind of remember this. 1568 01:19:15,880 --> 01:19:20,840 Speaker 1: Representatives from the PTC were among those interviewed. But here's 1569 01:19:20,880 --> 01:19:23,439 Speaker 1: the craziest thing about the relationship between the PTC and 1570 01:19:23,479 --> 01:19:27,400 Speaker 1: Family Guy, though McFarland once slammed the PTC as quote 1571 01:19:27,400 --> 01:19:30,920 Speaker 1: literally terrible human beings rotten to the core, but in 1572 01:19:30,960 --> 01:19:34,960 Speaker 1: twenty fifteen he invited PTC president Tim Winter to talk 1573 01:19:35,040 --> 01:19:35,519 Speaker 1: things out. 1574 01:19:35,880 --> 01:19:38,040 Speaker 2: Winter took over as president in two thousand and seven, 1575 01:19:38,560 --> 01:19:41,160 Speaker 2: and after a twenty fifteen episode of Family Guy featuring 1576 01:19:41,200 --> 01:19:44,120 Speaker 2: one of the stupidest jokes ever to grace the show, 1577 01:19:45,320 --> 01:19:48,600 Speaker 2: and this is the joke, Peter had surgery because he 1578 01:19:48,680 --> 01:19:52,640 Speaker 2: wanted to have quote two wieners. He lifts his hospital 1579 01:19:52,640 --> 01:19:56,360 Speaker 2: gown after the operation, swivels his hips with his back 1580 01:19:56,439 --> 01:19:59,400 Speaker 2: to the and everything covered by the backside of the gown. 1581 01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:04,720 Speaker 2: Viewers here and Peter remarks, uh, oh, that was the original. 1582 01:20:04,960 --> 01:20:05,599 Speaker 1: I don't get it. 1583 01:20:05,720 --> 01:20:09,479 Speaker 2: He's original wiener Ye. Another one added. The joke is 1584 01:20:09,479 --> 01:20:12,320 Speaker 2: that instead of the new one, the original fell off. 1585 01:20:13,680 --> 01:20:15,519 Speaker 2: Oh that's oh. 1586 01:20:16,320 --> 01:20:19,559 Speaker 1: Oh. I thought it was the sound of them bumping 1587 01:20:19,560 --> 01:20:21,080 Speaker 1: into one another and I didn't get it. 1588 01:20:21,800 --> 01:20:25,280 Speaker 2: No, sorry, Yeah, there's a sound of something thunking on 1589 01:20:25,320 --> 01:20:27,960 Speaker 2: the floor. I could have sold that. Let me just 1590 01:20:27,960 --> 01:20:29,960 Speaker 2: take that whole thing over again. It's kind of funny 1591 01:20:30,080 --> 01:20:32,880 Speaker 2: that you're explaining this joke to me. Okay, I'm going 1592 01:20:32,920 --> 01:20:36,120 Speaker 2: to keep that. So after that, McFarlane wrote a letter 1593 01:20:36,160 --> 01:20:40,080 Speaker 2: to Winter inviting him or two writers of Winter's choosing 1594 01:20:40,560 --> 01:20:42,920 Speaker 2: to quote write an episode of Family Guy the way 1595 01:20:43,000 --> 01:20:44,759 Speaker 2: you think Family Guys should be written. 1596 01:20:44,920 --> 01:20:48,559 Speaker 1: That's an incredible challenge, Yeah, it is. Winsor ultimately declined 1597 01:20:48,600 --> 01:20:51,160 Speaker 1: the offer, but wrote back to McFarlane explaining that the 1598 01:20:51,160 --> 01:20:54,719 Speaker 1: PTC's goal was to raise awareness about how some subject 1599 01:20:54,800 --> 01:20:57,720 Speaker 1: matter may be harmful the children, and pointed to at 1600 01:20:57,840 --> 01:21:02,040 Speaker 1: least fifty eight jokes about sexual violence on Family Guy 1601 01:21:02,439 --> 01:21:06,680 Speaker 1: in three years don't last, asking McFarland, what is the 1602 01:21:06,680 --> 01:21:09,680 Speaker 1: cumulative impact on children who watched those programs? 1603 01:21:09,920 --> 01:21:13,760 Speaker 2: Probably less than being sexually abused. Whatever, Sorry, McFarland told 1604 01:21:13,800 --> 01:21:14,599 Speaker 2: the La Times. 1605 01:21:14,680 --> 01:21:16,960 Speaker 1: I was properly humbled, and I figured that I ought 1606 01:21:16,960 --> 01:21:19,519 Speaker 1: to give him a call. The pair met and sat 1607 01:21:19,560 --> 01:21:20,599 Speaker 1: and talked about media. 1608 01:21:20,720 --> 01:21:21,360 Speaker 2: It's like you and me. 1609 01:21:21,680 --> 01:21:24,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, McFarlane told Winter that quote, my parents let me 1610 01:21:24,760 --> 01:21:28,439 Speaker 1: watch Animal House, Caddyshack, Stripes, these R rated comedies when 1611 01:21:28,479 --> 01:21:31,120 Speaker 1: I was seven. I had a very strong family unit, 1612 01:21:31,120 --> 01:21:33,160 Speaker 1: and so there wasn't much damage that was done from 1613 01:21:33,160 --> 01:21:36,160 Speaker 1: those films. But when your kids being raised by TV, 1614 01:21:36,479 --> 01:21:39,240 Speaker 1: it could be a different story and The two eventually 1615 01:21:39,320 --> 01:21:41,479 Speaker 1: hit it off so well that in twenty nineteen, when 1616 01:21:41,520 --> 01:21:44,160 Speaker 1: The La Times cover the story, the pair were. 1617 01:21:44,080 --> 01:21:45,800 Speaker 2: On a texting basis with each other. 1618 01:21:46,000 --> 01:21:48,640 Speaker 1: McFarlane told the paper for this interview, I think it's 1619 01:21:48,720 --> 01:21:51,479 Speaker 1: a healthy, necessary thing for the PTC to exist in 1620 01:21:51,479 --> 01:21:54,800 Speaker 1: the same world as what we're doing. And also apparently 1621 01:21:55,080 --> 01:22:00,280 Speaker 1: the PTC loved McFarland's Star Trek parody The Orville, and 1622 01:22:00,600 --> 01:22:03,200 Speaker 1: instead of urging advertisers to boycott the show, as they 1623 01:22:03,200 --> 01:22:06,519 Speaker 1: had done with Family Guy, they encouraged advertisers to buy 1624 01:22:06,680 --> 01:22:11,080 Speaker 1: space on the rival show. Also in twenty nineteen, McFarland, 1625 01:22:11,280 --> 01:22:14,800 Speaker 1: along with executive producers Alex Sulkin and Rich Appel, made 1626 01:22:14,840 --> 01:22:18,480 Speaker 1: an announcement that the show would begin refraining from gay jokes. 1627 01:22:18,960 --> 01:22:24,120 Speaker 2: It took that long, Yeah, so some progress. It's hey, 1628 01:22:24,120 --> 01:22:27,639 Speaker 2: it's a marathon, not a sprint, right, What is progress anyway? 1629 01:22:27,920 --> 01:22:30,800 Speaker 2: I've heard all these stories about it, but I don't 1630 01:22:30,800 --> 01:22:32,760 Speaker 2: really see a lot of it. Time will tell if 1631 01:22:32,800 --> 01:22:36,040 Speaker 2: McFarlane will have a similar moment of accord with Jana 1632 01:22:36,120 --> 01:22:40,920 Speaker 2: Lana Trova, a regional deputy for the Russian city of Cheliabinsk, 1633 01:22:41,720 --> 01:22:45,160 Speaker 2: who criticized Family Guys season twenty one finale, for as 1634 01:22:45,200 --> 01:22:49,400 Speaker 2: Wikipedia hopefully puts it negatively, portraying the city as contaminated 1635 01:22:49,439 --> 01:22:52,800 Speaker 2: by radiation and its local citizens as drunkards and drug 1636 01:22:52,880 --> 01:22:56,839 Speaker 2: users dissatisfied with life. Family Guys first two at bats 1637 01:22:56,840 --> 01:23:00,000 Speaker 2: on the air worked put it charitably, mismanaged. It official 1638 01:23:00,160 --> 01:23:04,639 Speaker 2: premiered after Fox's broadcast of Super Bowl XXXIII on January 1639 01:23:04,680 --> 01:23:07,599 Speaker 2: thirty first, nineteen ninety nine, too, as we mentioned earlier, 1640 01:23:07,640 --> 01:23:10,720 Speaker 2: twenty two million viewers, but then it wouldn't return to 1641 01:23:10,720 --> 01:23:15,120 Speaker 2: the air until four months later. That's insane, amazing idea. 1642 01:23:15,320 --> 01:23:18,200 Speaker 2: Make space for this after the fucking Super Bowl and 1643 01:23:18,240 --> 01:23:20,840 Speaker 2: then wait four months to let anybody see it again. 1644 01:23:21,479 --> 01:23:24,320 Speaker 2: But Fox did slot it between The Simpsons and The 1645 01:23:24,479 --> 01:23:27,360 Speaker 2: X Files and the networks then flourishing Sunday night lineup. 1646 01:23:27,800 --> 01:23:30,759 Speaker 2: After its first season, as you mentioned, it was ranked 1647 01:23:30,800 --> 01:23:34,160 Speaker 2: thirty third by Nielsen with nearly thirteen million viewers by 1648 01:23:34,160 --> 01:23:38,120 Speaker 2: Harry Nielsen, Yes, by beloved kruner Harry Nielsen. Unfortunately, Fox 1649 01:23:38,120 --> 01:23:40,639 Speaker 2: decided to move it to Thursdays at nine for its 1650 01:23:40,640 --> 01:23:44,519 Speaker 2: second season, which put it indirect competition to Fraser, which, 1651 01:23:44,560 --> 01:23:48,000 Speaker 2: as the elder among you may remember, was not a 1652 01:23:48,040 --> 01:23:51,799 Speaker 2: smart move. At the turn of the century. Fox's response 1653 01:23:51,840 --> 01:23:54,080 Speaker 2: to this was to remove Family Guy from its schedule 1654 01:23:54,240 --> 01:23:58,960 Speaker 2: and then just start airing episodes irregularly. Then, a year 1655 01:23:59,000 --> 01:24:01,639 Speaker 2: after its premiere, they moved it to Tuesdays in March 1656 01:24:01,640 --> 01:24:04,160 Speaker 2: of two thousand, where it was then in place to 1657 01:24:04,200 --> 01:24:07,240 Speaker 2: be walloped by the juggernaut of Who Wants to Be 1658 01:24:07,280 --> 01:24:10,080 Speaker 2: a Millionaire, which was reaching its critical mass at the time. 1659 01:24:10,200 --> 01:24:14,040 Speaker 2: Based on that, Fox announced Family Guys first cancelation in 1660 01:24:14,080 --> 01:24:16,280 Speaker 2: May of two thousand at the end of its second season, 1661 01:24:16,600 --> 01:24:19,960 Speaker 2: before abruptly announcing in July that they'd actually ordered thirteen 1662 01:24:19,960 --> 01:24:24,000 Speaker 2: more episodes for a third season. Of course, Fox decided 1663 01:24:24,000 --> 01:24:25,960 Speaker 2: to bring the show back in November of two thousand 1664 01:24:26,000 --> 01:24:29,280 Speaker 2: and one on Thursdays at eight, bringing it into direct 1665 01:24:29,360 --> 01:24:33,720 Speaker 2: competition again with NBC and ABC, who were at the 1666 01:24:33,720 --> 01:24:38,479 Speaker 2: time airing Survivor and Friends respectively in the same time slot. 1667 01:24:39,400 --> 01:24:42,360 Speaker 2: Just like literally the sideshow Bob gag of stepping on rakes, 1668 01:24:42,840 --> 01:24:47,160 Speaker 2: Like stop putting a show that people have only had 1669 01:24:47,200 --> 01:24:53,360 Speaker 2: a little love against these ratings juggernauts man. Anyway, Fox 1670 01:24:53,400 --> 01:24:56,160 Speaker 2: continued to toy with the show scheduling during its third season, 1671 01:24:56,240 --> 01:24:58,559 Speaker 2: moving it around to different time slots with little or 1672 01:24:58,560 --> 01:25:01,760 Speaker 2: no notice. I think there was like a brief website 1673 01:25:01,800 --> 01:25:03,960 Speaker 2: at one point that was like when you can see 1674 01:25:03,960 --> 01:25:09,120 Speaker 2: Family guardments, yes, and that just had the expected effect 1675 01:25:09,120 --> 01:25:11,559 Speaker 2: of tanking its ratings. And then when it came time 1676 01:25:11,600 --> 01:25:14,679 Speaker 2: to unveil its two thousand and two fall lineup, Family 1677 01:25:14,680 --> 01:25:18,040 Speaker 2: Guy was noticeably absent, with the network announcing the show 1678 01:25:18,080 --> 01:25:19,559 Speaker 2: had been canceled. Days later. 1679 01:25:19,680 --> 01:25:21,400 Speaker 1: They did the same thing the rest of the development 1680 01:25:21,600 --> 01:25:27,080 Speaker 1: like around the same time. Well, it's not that hard, no. 1681 01:25:26,400 --> 01:25:30,559 Speaker 2: No, yeah. McFarlane though, I think is quite sweet about it. 1682 01:25:31,320 --> 01:25:33,799 Speaker 2: He said it wasn't He didn't blame it on Fox. 1683 01:25:33,800 --> 01:25:36,639 Speaker 2: He said it was an issue of overconfidence. They felt 1684 01:25:36,640 --> 01:25:38,639 Speaker 2: that because the show was doing so well on Sunday 1685 01:25:38,680 --> 01:25:41,040 Speaker 2: nights after the Simpsons, that it could do well anywhere. 1686 01:25:41,560 --> 01:25:44,639 Speaker 2: Obviously that wasn't the case. But really, to their cred 1687 01:25:44,760 --> 01:25:47,040 Speaker 2: despite all the scheduling problems, the fact that they did 1688 01:25:47,080 --> 01:25:49,720 Speaker 2: stick with it after that up to fifty episodes. As 1689 01:25:49,800 --> 01:25:52,680 Speaker 2: much as they're maligned by fans for misscheduling us, they 1690 01:25:52,720 --> 01:25:54,479 Speaker 2: really did like the show and there was a lot 1691 01:25:54,520 --> 01:25:55,320 Speaker 2: of support for it. 1692 01:25:55,520 --> 01:25:59,760 Speaker 1: Family Guy ultimately earned its historic comeback thanks to Cartoon Network, 1693 01:26:00,000 --> 01:26:02,160 Speaker 1: who picked up the rights to the show Dirt Cheap 1694 01:26:02,240 --> 01:26:05,040 Speaker 1: and began airing reruns of it during their late night 1695 01:26:05,120 --> 01:26:06,759 Speaker 1: Adult Swim programming block. 1696 01:26:07,400 --> 01:26:09,719 Speaker 2: Dude, if I had a time machine, man, I would 1697 01:26:09,760 --> 01:26:16,320 Speaker 2: just go back to watching Adult Swim just being high 1698 01:26:16,360 --> 01:26:18,439 Speaker 2: Maneah twelve ounce mouse. 1699 01:26:20,040 --> 01:26:22,479 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's never a big aquatine. That was never really 1700 01:26:22,479 --> 01:26:22,800 Speaker 1: my thing. 1701 01:26:22,880 --> 01:26:27,280 Speaker 2: Oh I liked aquatine? Yeah I did. I'm not ashamed 1702 01:26:27,280 --> 01:26:32,360 Speaker 2: to admit it. I'm not. I don't let him tell 1703 01:26:32,400 --> 01:26:33,040 Speaker 2: me what to do. 1704 01:26:33,479 --> 01:26:34,920 Speaker 1: What else is on at that time? 1705 01:26:35,520 --> 01:26:36,720 Speaker 2: Did you pick that up? 1706 01:26:36,800 --> 01:26:36,880 Speaker 3: No? 1707 01:26:37,320 --> 01:26:41,759 Speaker 2: This is one of my favorite random bits from Arrested Development, 1708 01:26:41,760 --> 01:26:44,000 Speaker 2: where Jeffrey Tamber has been locked in the attic and 1709 01:26:45,200 --> 01:26:47,640 Speaker 2: Jason Babman finds him having a tea party with like 1710 01:26:47,680 --> 01:26:49,960 Speaker 2: the dolls they've been left up in it, and he 1711 01:26:50,040 --> 01:26:53,080 Speaker 2: says something. He's like, he's like rambling on an advice 1712 01:26:53,160 --> 01:26:56,920 Speaker 2: and he's like, you know, Michael, you just you're too 1713 01:26:57,160 --> 01:26:59,760 Speaker 2: enthrall to these women, Like with these broads here, you know, 1714 01:26:59,800 --> 01:27:01,960 Speaker 2: I whine them and I dine them, but I don't 1715 01:27:02,000 --> 01:27:05,920 Speaker 2: let them tell them what to do. Pause. I don't 1716 01:27:06,280 --> 01:27:10,679 Speaker 2: let them tell me what to do. It looks back, 1717 01:27:11,439 --> 01:27:12,840 Speaker 2: so good. 1718 01:27:12,640 --> 01:27:12,760 Speaker 1: I do. 1719 01:27:13,600 --> 01:27:13,920 Speaker 2: Rest of it. 1720 01:27:14,200 --> 01:27:15,920 Speaker 1: I thought we've talked about this and you said you 1721 01:27:16,000 --> 01:27:18,000 Speaker 1: weren't into rest of the development because you thought it 1722 01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:20,840 Speaker 1: was a little too like nudge nudge, wink wink with 1723 01:27:20,880 --> 01:27:21,479 Speaker 1: the audience. 1724 01:27:21,880 --> 01:27:24,360 Speaker 2: I do think that as a criticism, but I also 1725 01:27:24,360 --> 01:27:26,760 Speaker 2: think it's one of the Uh. I think it's up 1726 01:27:26,800 --> 01:27:30,599 Speaker 2: there with thirty Rock and like prime era cheers as 1727 01:27:30,760 --> 01:27:35,320 Speaker 2: like laughs per capita. Yeah, yeah, no, I agree. You 1728 01:27:35,360 --> 01:27:37,360 Speaker 2: don't agree though, because you still haven't watched thirty Rock. 1729 01:27:37,960 --> 01:27:41,160 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, because you have, you're still salty about it 1730 01:27:41,200 --> 01:27:43,880 Speaker 2: from oh my gosh, that's becoming a theme this episode. 1731 01:27:44,120 --> 01:27:47,080 Speaker 2: From your time at NYU in the screenwriting program, Well 1732 01:27:47,080 --> 01:27:47,320 Speaker 2: it was this. 1733 01:27:47,439 --> 01:27:50,080 Speaker 1: They made us like dissect scripts from it. And it's 1734 01:27:50,080 --> 01:27:53,280 Speaker 1: just because they're funny as well. Sure, but it's just 1735 01:27:53,360 --> 01:27:55,639 Speaker 1: if there's a way to make something not funny, it's 1736 01:27:55,640 --> 01:27:58,599 Speaker 1: to just forensically examine it. 1737 01:28:00,280 --> 01:28:05,559 Speaker 2: Suddenly it became homeworks as we do. Okay, that's that's fair. Continue. 1738 01:28:05,640 --> 01:28:07,040 Speaker 2: I don't know point I was making. 1739 01:28:07,200 --> 01:28:11,439 Speaker 1: These family got reruns on Adult Swim, a basic cable network, 1740 01:28:11,680 --> 01:28:15,200 Speaker 1: end up beating both David Letterman and Jay Leno's late 1741 01:28:15,320 --> 01:28:18,960 Speaker 1: night shows on CBS and NBC. Among the coveted eighteen 1742 01:28:19,000 --> 01:28:21,960 Speaker 1: to thirty four demo. Not surprised about Jay Leno. I'm 1743 01:28:22,040 --> 01:28:23,080 Speaker 1: surprised about Letterman. 1744 01:28:23,360 --> 01:28:25,360 Speaker 2: Yeah. Letterman was always the guy that they could count 1745 01:28:25,400 --> 01:28:27,640 Speaker 2: on for the younger demographic. Yeah. 1746 01:28:28,160 --> 01:28:31,799 Speaker 1: The Family Got reruns also provided a staggering two hundred 1747 01:28:31,800 --> 01:28:36,080 Speaker 1: and thirty nine percent boost the Cartoon Network's ratings. That's insane. 1748 01:28:36,200 --> 01:28:38,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, what must have been the reaction when those figures 1749 01:28:38,880 --> 01:28:42,840 Speaker 2: came in other than like are these right? Yeah? I 1750 01:28:42,840 --> 01:28:46,840 Speaker 2: mean two hundred and thirty nine percent They earned their 1751 01:28:46,880 --> 01:28:47,880 Speaker 2: bonuses that year. 1752 01:28:48,040 --> 01:28:50,479 Speaker 1: I'm trying to think about, like what I would have 1753 01:28:50,520 --> 01:28:51,839 Speaker 1: watched on Cartoon Network. 1754 01:28:51,840 --> 01:28:55,639 Speaker 2: I mean maybe it was like Flip Bravo. It would 1755 01:28:55,640 --> 01:28:57,960 Speaker 2: have been Johnny Bravo, and they had a slate, they 1756 01:28:57,960 --> 01:29:00,479 Speaker 2: had a slate before that, but Adult Swim was just totally, 1757 01:29:01,080 --> 01:29:05,360 Speaker 2: you know, unprecedented and like unexplained too. I just remember 1758 01:29:05,439 --> 01:29:08,400 Speaker 2: like surfing around and like the logo would come up 1759 01:29:08,400 --> 01:29:10,880 Speaker 2: with the little cool music stingers, and I would just 1760 01:29:10,920 --> 01:29:13,280 Speaker 2: be like is this And then like Family Guy would 1761 01:29:13,280 --> 01:29:15,200 Speaker 2: come on, or Twelve Ounce Mouths would come on, or 1762 01:29:15,479 --> 01:29:19,760 Speaker 2: any of those shows, and I remember being so captivated 1763 01:29:19,960 --> 01:29:23,639 Speaker 2: in the staying up to watch that like every summer 1764 01:29:23,680 --> 01:29:27,000 Speaker 2: really because they you know, anyway, I digress. This isn't 1765 01:29:27,000 --> 01:29:29,000 Speaker 2: about my childhood, Jordan, It's about yours. 1766 01:29:29,360 --> 01:29:31,479 Speaker 1: But it was weird. It was like the network aged 1767 01:29:31,600 --> 01:29:34,400 Speaker 1: up with us, Like it started when we were kids 1768 01:29:34,439 --> 01:29:37,679 Speaker 1: and aired relatively kid friendly shows in my memory at least, 1769 01:29:37,960 --> 01:29:40,320 Speaker 1: and then as we hit like late middle school, early 1770 01:29:40,360 --> 01:29:43,080 Speaker 1: high school, it started skewing a little older. It was funny. 1771 01:29:43,360 --> 01:29:46,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I haven't delved super into the history 1772 01:29:46,479 --> 01:29:48,800 Speaker 2: of adult Swim, but I think it really was just 1773 01:29:48,880 --> 01:29:50,800 Speaker 2: kind of a like pie in the Sky thing where 1774 01:29:50,800 --> 01:29:52,960 Speaker 2: they were like, I don't know, most of our audience 1775 01:29:53,120 --> 01:29:55,800 Speaker 2: doesn't stay awake this late. Does anyone here want to 1776 01:29:55,800 --> 01:29:59,080 Speaker 2: try and do something with this? And that's what happened. 1777 01:29:59,160 --> 01:30:01,960 Speaker 1: It's probably like what's Snick was for Nickelodeon when they 1778 01:30:02,000 --> 01:30:04,840 Speaker 1: had kind of the more older skewing are you Afraid 1779 01:30:04,840 --> 01:30:06,240 Speaker 1: of the Dark type stuff? 1780 01:30:06,280 --> 01:30:10,400 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but Snick didn't have Aquitine Hunger Force where 1781 01:30:10,520 --> 01:30:13,599 Speaker 2: Danzig shows up, or like twelve ounce Mouse where it's 1782 01:30:13,640 --> 01:30:17,320 Speaker 2: like a paper mache mouse who's also like a violent 1783 01:30:17,439 --> 01:30:21,599 Speaker 2: mercenary for hire. I mean, stuff was really out there. 1784 01:30:21,720 --> 01:30:24,280 Speaker 2: It was mecapse on the old Swim it was, but 1785 01:30:24,320 --> 01:30:28,360 Speaker 2: that was a little later. Yeah, okay, yeah is also great? 1786 01:30:28,520 --> 01:30:30,120 Speaker 1: Yes? Is that? 1787 01:30:30,120 --> 01:30:37,519 Speaker 2: Then't say Tom the Satanic Priest is droning on and 1788 01:30:37,560 --> 01:30:40,160 Speaker 2: on and on and on and totally monotone, and then 1789 01:30:40,280 --> 01:30:46,400 Speaker 2: Nail sating. I just think there's there's a hilarious moment. 1790 01:30:46,560 --> 01:30:48,240 Speaker 2: You have to cut all this because this is not 1791 01:30:48,320 --> 01:30:49,960 Speaker 2: making it tear. I don't I don't want to be 1792 01:30:50,000 --> 01:30:52,439 Speaker 2: part of something. It's just two guys talking about bits 1793 01:30:52,479 --> 01:30:56,800 Speaker 2: from shows. But I'm gonna cut it right there. 1794 01:30:57,840 --> 01:31:02,320 Speaker 1: Okay, we're gonna take a quick break, but we'll be 1795 01:31:02,439 --> 01:31:05,200 Speaker 1: right back with more too much information in just a moment. 1796 01:31:10,800 --> 01:31:11,080 Speaker 2: Wow. 1797 01:31:17,439 --> 01:31:22,040 Speaker 1: So simultaneously with this phenomenal performance on Cartoon Networks Adult 1798 01:31:22,080 --> 01:31:26,400 Speaker 1: Swim Fox released Family Guy on DVD with its first 1799 01:31:26,439 --> 01:31:26,960 Speaker 1: box set. 1800 01:31:27,000 --> 01:31:28,520 Speaker 2: I imagine the first season. 1801 01:31:28,600 --> 01:31:31,840 Speaker 1: Coming in only behind The Simpsons and Chappelle's Show in 1802 01:31:32,000 --> 01:31:34,479 Speaker 1: sales for all time. 1803 01:31:34,920 --> 01:31:36,280 Speaker 2: That's wacky. 1804 01:31:37,320 --> 01:31:39,080 Speaker 1: That record still I mean, of course the record still 1805 01:31:39,080 --> 01:31:41,120 Speaker 1: holds because we're streaming it. Record is never gonna be broken. 1806 01:31:41,400 --> 01:31:43,559 Speaker 2: I'm not sure if it did, it might have something 1807 01:31:43,560 --> 01:31:45,600 Speaker 2: else might have squeaked in, but they were certainly on 1808 01:31:45,680 --> 01:31:50,519 Speaker 2: the tail end of the era to amass such a record. Yeah, 1809 01:31:50,560 --> 01:31:52,479 Speaker 2: and to be like, man, I mean like do you remember, 1810 01:31:52,520 --> 01:31:56,000 Speaker 2: how do you actually remember how huge Chappelle show was? Yeah, 1811 01:31:56,000 --> 01:31:59,479 Speaker 2: to come in second to that, like yeah, wild for 1812 01:31:59,479 --> 01:32:03,360 Speaker 2: a show that you know, Fox canceled Idiots. 1813 01:32:03,479 --> 01:32:06,160 Speaker 1: It is funny to me how the things that were 1814 01:32:06,240 --> 01:32:08,679 Speaker 1: huge at a given time in history. I was talking 1815 01:32:08,680 --> 01:32:10,800 Speaker 1: about this with my dad not too long ago, that 1816 01:32:10,920 --> 01:32:14,280 Speaker 1: are still remembered as huge, you know, Beatles, pet sound like, 1817 01:32:14,320 --> 01:32:16,760 Speaker 1: the things that are all those classics, and then the 1818 01:32:16,840 --> 01:32:18,599 Speaker 1: things that were huge at the time but then just 1819 01:32:18,800 --> 01:32:21,240 Speaker 1: didn't make it through and we're just kind of memory hold. 1820 01:32:21,320 --> 01:32:24,880 Speaker 1: I feel like Chappelle's show, people don't well. I mean 1821 01:32:24,920 --> 01:32:26,880 Speaker 1: I know that there's a lot of yeah, he did. 1822 01:32:26,760 --> 01:32:29,240 Speaker 2: A lot about himself. Yeah, but I know, I think 1823 01:32:29,280 --> 01:32:31,519 Speaker 2: it's just that everything once it's really that you can 1824 01:32:31,520 --> 01:32:33,960 Speaker 2: trace that to the Internet, I think, because it's it's 1825 01:32:35,400 --> 01:32:38,559 Speaker 2: you know, things got so much more fragmented and people 1826 01:32:38,640 --> 01:32:41,559 Speaker 2: just stopped depending on like the big studios to like 1827 01:32:41,640 --> 01:32:43,960 Speaker 2: dictate what movies were going to be big or like 1828 01:32:44,000 --> 01:32:46,320 Speaker 2: what shows to watch, and it just I think like 1829 01:32:47,160 --> 01:32:51,719 Speaker 2: that was like early dial up, you know, Internet message 1830 01:32:51,720 --> 01:32:54,160 Speaker 2: boards and fan clubs were like the end of the 1831 01:32:54,200 --> 01:32:57,240 Speaker 2: monoculture more than the speed of the Internet was or anything, 1832 01:32:57,280 --> 01:33:00,400 Speaker 2: because it was just like something could have made ten 1833 01:33:00,479 --> 01:33:03,639 Speaker 2: million dollars, like however many million dollars at the box office, 1834 01:33:03,680 --> 01:33:05,559 Speaker 2: like had a huge smash hit, like all of these 1835 01:33:05,680 --> 01:33:08,559 Speaker 2: like small legal dramas or stuff that movies that you 1836 01:33:08,600 --> 01:33:12,880 Speaker 2: don't remember from the early nineties that were massive financial hits. 1837 01:33:13,240 --> 01:33:15,200 Speaker 2: And then just because they didn't get a foothold in 1838 01:33:15,439 --> 01:33:18,040 Speaker 2: the Internet community from the nascent Internet community and then 1839 01:33:18,080 --> 01:33:22,920 Speaker 2: subsequently social media. Uh, that's it their memory. Hold, it's crazy. 1840 01:33:22,920 --> 01:33:24,800 Speaker 2: I mean, if you look up box office stats for like, 1841 01:33:24,880 --> 01:33:27,120 Speaker 2: I don't know, let's uh, let's pick a random or 1842 01:33:27,200 --> 01:33:30,200 Speaker 2: in the nineties box office ninety nine, give it a 1843 01:33:30,240 --> 01:33:32,439 Speaker 2: ninety nine. No, I want to do something earlier before. 1844 01:33:32,720 --> 01:33:34,479 Speaker 2: I want to do pre Jurassic Park. I wanna say 1845 01:33:34,520 --> 01:33:37,360 Speaker 2: ninety two, which I think was the year of Terminator two. 1846 01:33:37,439 --> 01:33:40,880 Speaker 2: But yeah, well, Sister Act was the third highest grossing 1847 01:33:40,920 --> 01:33:44,040 Speaker 2: movie that year, which, like, I think Sister Act has 1848 01:33:44,080 --> 01:33:47,679 Speaker 2: been a little bit memory. Hold the Hand that Rocks 1849 01:33:47,680 --> 01:33:51,759 Speaker 2: the Cradle, how about that eighty eight million domestic number 1850 01:33:51,880 --> 01:33:55,600 Speaker 2: nine at the year end list? Remember anything about that? No, 1851 01:33:55,800 --> 01:33:57,880 Speaker 2: Hand the rocks Creole guess what was number ten? No 1852 01:33:57,920 --> 01:34:01,519 Speaker 2: idea Steven Siegal's Undersea rem there anything about that. 1853 01:34:01,680 --> 01:34:03,639 Speaker 1: I mean, it's got Steven Skall. That's all I need 1854 01:34:03,640 --> 01:34:03,880 Speaker 1: to know. 1855 01:34:04,479 --> 01:34:08,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, Fried Green Tomatoes. Oh, that's something called Far and Away. 1856 01:34:08,760 --> 01:34:09,160 Speaker 1: Nope. 1857 01:34:09,200 --> 01:34:10,720 Speaker 2: Fifty eight mil domestic? 1858 01:34:10,840 --> 01:34:12,439 Speaker 1: What are the top five? I mean I've seen in 1859 01:34:12,479 --> 01:34:12,960 Speaker 1: the top five? 1860 01:34:13,200 --> 01:34:16,160 Speaker 2: Oh, Batman Returns with a Weapon, three Sister Act Home Alone, 1861 01:34:16,160 --> 01:34:18,720 Speaker 2: two and Wayne's World. Yeah, I mean ninety two? The 1862 01:34:18,800 --> 01:34:21,439 Speaker 2: second ninety two. The Fugitive made one hundred and seventy 1863 01:34:21,479 --> 01:34:24,640 Speaker 2: six million dollars. Does anyone remember The Fugitive other than 1864 01:34:24,680 --> 01:34:27,400 Speaker 2: John mulaney making a joke about how convoluted the plot 1865 01:34:27,479 --> 01:34:30,120 Speaker 2: of this Fugitive actually is. Oh, I thought, Oh, here's 1866 01:34:30,120 --> 01:34:33,559 Speaker 2: a better one. Number three The Firm, Oh was talking 1867 01:34:33,560 --> 01:34:36,560 Speaker 2: about the Firm? Wow, that movie made one hundred and 1868 01:34:36,600 --> 01:34:38,920 Speaker 2: fifty eight million dollars in the United States in nineteen 1869 01:34:38,960 --> 01:34:43,720 Speaker 2: ninety three. Who's talking about the Firm? Indecent Proposal one 1870 01:34:43,800 --> 01:34:47,720 Speaker 2: hundred and six million? Yeah, people do they? Yeah? In 1871 01:34:47,760 --> 01:34:50,759 Speaker 2: the Line of Fire starring Clint Eastwood, one hundred two million. 1872 01:34:51,320 --> 01:34:53,200 Speaker 2: This is some sick com Yeah. 1873 01:34:53,200 --> 01:34:55,439 Speaker 1: I think it was a succession where the brother says 1874 01:34:55,439 --> 01:34:57,479 Speaker 1: something that was like, I'm going to make you an 1875 01:34:57,479 --> 01:35:00,760 Speaker 1: indecent proposal, and she's like, you've definitely ever seen that movie? 1876 01:35:00,800 --> 01:35:05,320 Speaker 2: Have you? Okay, sorry, let's get this back on track. 1877 01:35:05,400 --> 01:35:09,120 Speaker 1: Let's get it back on track with Steve Feldstein. Steve 1878 01:35:09,120 --> 01:35:12,200 Speaker 1: Feldstein will get a SAT name with Steve. He was 1879 01:35:12,280 --> 01:35:16,360 Speaker 1: the then senior VP of Fox's Home Entertainment. He told 1880 01:35:16,360 --> 01:35:19,519 Speaker 1: The New York Times, once we made DVDs available Family Guy, 1881 01:35:19,560 --> 01:35:22,879 Speaker 1: the response was incredible. Were we surprised about the response. 1882 01:35:23,360 --> 01:35:26,080 Speaker 1: I'd be lying if I said no. The DVD sales, 1883 01:35:26,080 --> 01:35:28,639 Speaker 1: he added, led the network to take a second look 1884 01:35:28,640 --> 01:35:32,280 Speaker 1: at the show. Yeah, No, were there any like actual 1885 01:35:32,320 --> 01:35:35,040 Speaker 1: stats for numbers of like how much they sold in 1886 01:35:35,040 --> 01:35:35,479 Speaker 1: that period? 1887 01:35:35,720 --> 01:35:40,080 Speaker 2: Oh, sales of the DVD set reached two point two 1888 01:35:40,280 --> 01:35:41,240 Speaker 2: million copies. 1889 01:35:41,400 --> 01:35:44,599 Speaker 1: That's nuts, That is nuts. And they were like, what 1890 01:35:44,640 --> 01:35:45,639 Speaker 1: forty bucks apiece? 1891 01:35:45,680 --> 01:35:48,960 Speaker 2: Probably around maybe something like that. Yeah. Wow, So like, okay, 1892 01:35:49,040 --> 01:35:52,040 Speaker 2: almost one hundred million in DVD sales. That'll make you 1893 01:35:52,040 --> 01:35:53,799 Speaker 2: take a second look at to show you canceled. 1894 01:35:54,160 --> 01:35:57,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. McFarland told The La Times that he took Family 1895 01:35:57,040 --> 01:36:00,760 Speaker 1: Guy's entire early struggle in stride, mostly out of lack 1896 01:36:00,760 --> 01:36:03,720 Speaker 1: of experience, He said, I had nothing to compare it 1897 01:36:03,760 --> 01:36:05,879 Speaker 1: to because it was the first show I'd ever pitched 1898 01:36:05,920 --> 01:36:08,200 Speaker 1: and it got picked up. I thought, oh, I guess 1899 01:36:08,280 --> 01:36:11,320 Speaker 1: this is normal, which it certainly is not. When it 1900 01:36:11,360 --> 01:36:13,960 Speaker 1: got canceled, I was like, Okay, well I guess this. 1901 01:36:13,960 --> 01:36:14,639 Speaker 2: Is normal too. 1902 01:36:15,120 --> 01:36:16,960 Speaker 1: But it wasn't like they were kicking to the curb. 1903 01:36:17,080 --> 01:36:18,920 Speaker 1: It was we still want to be in business with you. 1904 01:36:19,280 --> 01:36:22,439 Speaker 1: My deal with twentieth Television Animation never expired over those 1905 01:36:22,479 --> 01:36:24,760 Speaker 1: two years. It was about to expire, and then they 1906 01:36:24,760 --> 01:36:27,839 Speaker 1: picked the show up again. McFarlane went into further detail 1907 01:36:27,880 --> 01:36:30,000 Speaker 1: about the moment that he learned the show as resurrected 1908 01:36:30,080 --> 01:36:33,040 Speaker 1: in an interview with IGN. He said, they literally called 1909 01:36:33,080 --> 01:36:35,280 Speaker 1: me out of nowhere. The head of twentieth called me 1910 01:36:35,320 --> 01:36:37,360 Speaker 1: to come into his office for a meeting, and I 1911 01:36:37,439 --> 01:36:40,280 Speaker 1: didn't know what it was about, and he just kind 1912 01:36:40,280 --> 01:36:42,639 Speaker 1: of threw it on the table. We're thinking about putting 1913 01:36:42,640 --> 01:36:45,040 Speaker 1: this thing back in the production and I just about 1914 01:36:45,040 --> 01:36:47,439 Speaker 1: fell out of my chair. I thought that maybe we 1915 01:36:47,520 --> 01:36:49,639 Speaker 1: get a chance to do a special or a direct 1916 01:36:49,760 --> 01:36:52,960 Speaker 1: DVD movie of some kind, But as far as new episodes, 1917 01:36:53,080 --> 01:36:56,679 Speaker 1: there was no precedent. It had never happened, mainly because 1918 01:36:56,680 --> 01:36:59,519 Speaker 1: it requires a network to say, Okay, we screwed up. 1919 01:37:00,080 --> 01:37:03,080 Speaker 1: Fox deserves some credit for saying, you know, we canceled it, 1920 01:37:03,120 --> 01:37:05,360 Speaker 1: but now we see it's making some money, so we 1921 01:37:05,400 --> 01:37:06,160 Speaker 1: want that money. 1922 01:37:09,080 --> 01:37:10,120 Speaker 2: I do love that quote. 1923 01:37:10,200 --> 01:37:13,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember when it was announced. I remember that 1924 01:37:13,240 --> 01:37:14,280 Speaker 1: was like a big deal. 1925 01:37:14,600 --> 01:37:16,280 Speaker 2: I don't think I remember when it happened. I just 1926 01:37:16,280 --> 01:37:19,360 Speaker 2: remember like reappearing. So I don't know. I didn't have 1927 01:37:19,479 --> 01:37:21,760 Speaker 2: I wasn't part of the letter writing campaigns. I didn't 1928 01:37:21,760 --> 01:37:23,839 Speaker 2: care about I didn't care about anything that much. 1929 01:37:23,720 --> 01:37:25,920 Speaker 1: So I wasn't part of that either. But I remember 1930 01:37:25,920 --> 01:37:27,559 Speaker 1: what it was announced. I was like, oh my god, 1931 01:37:27,840 --> 01:37:28,439 Speaker 1: this is great. 1932 01:37:28,600 --> 01:37:29,200 Speaker 2: It was great. 1933 01:37:29,360 --> 01:37:32,320 Speaker 1: It was great, and what a time. It was a 1934 01:37:32,439 --> 01:37:36,480 Speaker 1: time of innocence, a time of confidences. 1935 01:37:37,400 --> 01:37:37,920 Speaker 2: Long ago. 1936 01:37:38,000 --> 01:37:41,720 Speaker 1: It must be are you just ripping? No, it's it's bookends. 1937 01:37:41,720 --> 01:37:43,439 Speaker 1: It's my favorite Simon A. Garfunkle song. 1938 01:37:44,280 --> 01:37:51,599 Speaker 2: Oh you so ach got me got his ass? Whose gas? 1939 01:37:51,600 --> 01:37:58,560 Speaker 2: We got our Garfuncle dude. Yeah. 1940 01:37:58,800 --> 01:38:01,679 Speaker 1: Fox ended up ordering thirty five new episodes of Family 1941 01:38:01,680 --> 01:38:04,000 Speaker 1: Guy in May two thousand and four, making the show 1942 01:38:04,120 --> 01:38:06,880 Speaker 1: the first to have been brought back by DVD. 1943 01:38:06,680 --> 01:38:10,960 Speaker 2: Sales and likely the last Yeah Oh Yeah. 1944 01:38:11,280 --> 01:38:13,880 Speaker 1: DVD sales were not the only measure, though, there was 1945 01:38:13,920 --> 01:38:17,479 Speaker 1: a robust fan campaign to bring the show back that 1946 01:38:17,600 --> 01:38:21,160 Speaker 1: even picked up notice overseas. The Guardian, which is based 1947 01:38:21,160 --> 01:38:23,639 Speaker 1: in the UK, remarked on the situation in two. 1948 01:38:23,479 --> 01:38:24,160 Speaker 2: Thousand and five. 1949 01:38:24,880 --> 01:38:29,240 Speaker 1: Protests involved over one hundred thousand signing a petition promising 1950 01:38:29,240 --> 01:38:33,040 Speaker 1: to boycott all Fox TV and every product They advertised 1951 01:38:33,400 --> 01:38:37,439 Speaker 1: nearly bankrupting a business by sending diapers and some less 1952 01:38:37,479 --> 01:38:38,679 Speaker 1: than subtle letters. 1953 01:38:39,120 --> 01:38:42,639 Speaker 2: It was they nearly bankrupted the diaper business, to be fair, 1954 01:38:43,600 --> 01:38:47,640 Speaker 2: because they were like sending so many to headquarters to 1955 01:38:47,720 --> 01:38:50,320 Speaker 2: Fox at one point, why were they sending diapers because 1956 01:38:50,320 --> 01:38:52,439 Speaker 2: of Stewie? Oh you fool? 1957 01:38:52,760 --> 01:38:56,479 Speaker 1: Oh okay, that's good, that's medium funny. McFarlane told the paper. 1958 01:38:56,760 --> 01:38:59,599 Speaker 1: It was the largest fan campaign anyone had ever seen. 1959 01:39:00,200 --> 01:39:03,960 Speaker 1: Funnily enough. Neil Goldman, who went on to executive produced Community, 1960 01:39:04,080 --> 01:39:07,880 Speaker 1: another show brought back by extensive fan action, was working 1961 01:39:07,920 --> 01:39:11,240 Speaker 1: on Family Guy during the campaign and recalled Fox gradually 1962 01:39:11,240 --> 01:39:13,600 Speaker 1: becoming annoyed by the cases. 1963 01:39:13,240 --> 01:39:15,960 Speaker 2: Of diapers mailed to the studio. 1964 01:39:16,000 --> 01:39:19,240 Speaker 1: And added that even the online diaper company was asking 1965 01:39:19,280 --> 01:39:20,920 Speaker 1: people to stop. 1966 01:39:20,600 --> 01:39:22,479 Speaker 2: And that's what the problem was was because there were 1967 01:39:22,520 --> 01:39:27,760 Speaker 2: not that many places doing online delivery at in this era, right, 1968 01:39:28,160 --> 01:39:31,680 Speaker 2: so they were like they found like one place that 1969 01:39:31,720 --> 01:39:33,960 Speaker 2: they could game so that it wouldn't come back to 1970 01:39:34,000 --> 01:39:38,080 Speaker 2: them and like use anonymous stuff. And the company was like, please, 1971 01:39:38,320 --> 01:39:42,200 Speaker 2: these aren't being accepted and we can't keep up with demand, 1972 01:39:42,439 --> 01:39:43,599 Speaker 2: Like stop doing this. 1973 01:39:45,000 --> 01:39:46,360 Speaker 1: That's amazing. I've never heard that. 1974 01:39:47,400 --> 01:39:50,639 Speaker 2: The show naturally commented on the cancelation in North by 1975 01:39:50,720 --> 01:39:54,599 Speaker 2: North Cohog the first episode of its revival. I remember 1976 01:39:54,600 --> 01:39:57,960 Speaker 2: this gag, and I remember it being hilarious. Yes, Peter 1977 01:39:58,160 --> 01:40:00,599 Speaker 2: breaks the fourth wall by explaining to Hi his family 1978 01:40:00,680 --> 01:40:03,479 Speaker 2: that their show is back, but that Fox had to 1979 01:40:03,479 --> 01:40:05,679 Speaker 2: cancel them in order to make room for Dark Angel, 1980 01:40:05,720 --> 01:40:09,280 Speaker 2: Titus Undeclared Action, That eighty Show, wonderfulse fast Lane, Andy 1981 01:40:09,320 --> 01:40:13,439 Speaker 2: Richter controls the Universe, Skin Girls Club, Cracking Up the Pits, Firefly, 1982 01:40:13,520 --> 01:40:16,840 Speaker 2: Get Real, Freaky Links, Wanda at Large, Costello, The Lone Gunman, 1983 01:40:16,960 --> 01:40:20,679 Speaker 2: A Minute with Stan Hooper, Normal Ohio, Pasadena, A Harsh 1984 01:40:20,720 --> 01:40:23,479 Speaker 2: realm Keen, Eddie the Street, The American Embassy, Cedric the 1985 01:40:23,560 --> 01:40:27,360 Speaker 2: Entertainer Presents the Tick, Luis and Greg the Bunny, all 1986 01:40:27,400 --> 01:40:33,600 Speaker 2: of which were canceled during Family Guy's brief hiatus. That 1987 01:40:33,720 --> 01:40:34,000 Speaker 2: was good. 1988 01:40:34,040 --> 01:40:34,800 Speaker 1: I do remember that. 1989 01:40:35,280 --> 01:40:38,559 Speaker 2: Family Guy, however, was not invincible upon its triumphant return. 1990 01:40:39,040 --> 01:40:41,439 Speaker 2: In a number of cases, celebrities whose works have been 1991 01:40:41,479 --> 01:40:43,920 Speaker 2: the topic of the show's many cutaway gags have sued, 1992 01:40:44,000 --> 01:40:47,120 Speaker 2: like Carol Burnett. I didn't know about this. I guess. 1993 01:40:47,200 --> 01:40:49,400 Speaker 1: There's an episode with a scene where Peter and his 1994 01:40:49,479 --> 01:40:53,160 Speaker 1: friends visit an adult book store and Peter has concerns 1995 01:40:53,160 --> 01:40:55,920 Speaker 1: that the store will be dirty, but then Quagmire says 1996 01:40:56,000 --> 01:40:59,479 Speaker 1: it's pretty clean. Carol Burnett works part time as a janitor, 1997 01:41:00,080 --> 01:41:02,280 Speaker 1: and the camera pans to a cartoon version of Carol 1998 01:41:02,280 --> 01:41:04,559 Speaker 1: Burnett in one of her best known roles, mopping the 1999 01:41:04,600 --> 01:41:08,040 Speaker 1: floor as her character the Charwoman. Actually it's funny. 2000 01:41:08,479 --> 01:41:11,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it was just just named the charge 2001 01:41:11,280 --> 01:41:12,040 Speaker 2: Woman Charwoman. 2002 01:41:12,280 --> 01:41:14,720 Speaker 1: Since Family Guy did not get Carol Burnett's permission, she 2003 01:41:15,240 --> 01:41:18,959 Speaker 1: sued twentieth Century Fox for two million dollars on copyright 2004 01:41:19,000 --> 01:41:19,960 Speaker 1: infringement claims. 2005 01:41:20,520 --> 01:41:21,679 Speaker 2: The lawsuit also. 2006 01:41:21,479 --> 01:41:24,439 Speaker 1: Alleged that the TV show used an altered version of 2007 01:41:24,439 --> 01:41:25,959 Speaker 1: the Carol Burnett Show theme. 2008 01:41:25,800 --> 01:41:30,000 Speaker 2: Song, which it probably did to set off the gag. Yeah, 2009 01:41:31,320 --> 01:41:34,960 Speaker 2: but that's not all that is not all Jordan Police 2010 01:41:34,960 --> 01:41:40,120 Speaker 2: Academy actor Art Mitrano sure also sued over a scene 2011 01:41:40,160 --> 01:41:44,240 Speaker 2: in which Jesus, like the Son of God, mimics Mitronto's 2012 01:41:44,280 --> 01:41:47,960 Speaker 2: bit of performing magic while humming Fine and Dandy from 2013 01:41:47,960 --> 01:41:51,000 Speaker 2: the nineteen thirty musical of the same name. Burnett's was 2014 01:41:51,040 --> 01:41:52,880 Speaker 2: rejected right when the judge. 2015 01:41:52,680 --> 01:41:54,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, this case was tossed out. 2016 01:41:54,120 --> 01:41:57,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. Burnett's case was talked out while Mitranto's was 2017 01:41:57,080 --> 01:42:00,400 Speaker 2: settled out of court. I don't know anything about that 2018 01:42:00,400 --> 01:42:03,240 Speaker 2: guy's bit, but it is a case when the gag 2019 01:42:03,280 --> 01:42:04,280 Speaker 2: got too specific. 2020 01:42:04,560 --> 01:42:10,640 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he's like doing some lame magic thing with 2021 01:42:10,680 --> 01:42:12,840 Speaker 1: like his fingers and now I remember it. 2022 01:42:12,920 --> 01:42:16,240 Speaker 2: Okay, okay, okay, okay. But the show had moments that 2023 01:42:16,280 --> 01:42:19,639 Speaker 2: Fox didn't back in court or anywhere else too. When 2024 01:42:19,640 --> 01:42:22,200 Speaker 2: You Wish Upon a Weinstein, that was an episode that 2025 01:42:22,200 --> 01:42:25,679 Speaker 2: succeeded in getting under Fox's skin. In the episode, Peter, 2026 01:42:25,840 --> 01:42:28,639 Speaker 2: desponding over his money problems, praised for a Jewish person 2027 01:42:28,680 --> 01:42:30,960 Speaker 2: to come and help him. He becomes friends with the 2028 01:42:31,000 --> 01:42:36,000 Speaker 2: wildly caricatured Jewish man Max Weinstein or Max Goldman? Did 2029 01:42:36,040 --> 01:42:38,840 Speaker 2: Max Goldman or Max Weinstein? I thought it changes? I 2030 01:42:38,840 --> 01:42:39,639 Speaker 2: guess it's Weinstein. 2031 01:42:39,720 --> 01:42:41,639 Speaker 1: The name of the show is when You Wish upon 2032 01:42:41,680 --> 01:42:42,160 Speaker 1: a Wine Stea. 2033 01:42:42,160 --> 01:42:45,160 Speaker 2: I remember that he becomes friends with the wildly chricatured 2034 01:42:45,240 --> 01:42:48,559 Speaker 2: Jewish Max Weinstein and then attempts to convert Chris to 2035 01:42:48,680 --> 01:42:52,920 Speaker 2: Judaism when he sees how successful Max is. Fox executives 2036 01:42:52,920 --> 01:42:55,400 Speaker 2: initially stopped it from airing in two thousand, but it 2037 01:42:55,520 --> 01:42:57,800 Speaker 2: was broadcast on Cartoon Network in two thousand and three, 2038 01:42:58,280 --> 01:43:01,040 Speaker 2: and then after the network could see it wasn't that 2039 01:43:01,160 --> 01:43:04,040 Speaker 2: big of a deal, it aired on Fox in two 2040 01:43:04,080 --> 01:43:11,799 Speaker 2: thousand and four. Funnily enough, during Hanukkah. On the DVD extras, 2041 01:43:11,840 --> 01:43:15,000 Speaker 2: there's a commentary track to this episode, featuring various crew members, 2042 01:43:15,720 --> 01:43:18,840 Speaker 2: writer Ricky Blitt, and director Dan Povenmeier among them. I 2043 01:43:18,840 --> 01:43:20,639 Speaker 2: found an article that was written about at the same 2044 01:43:20,640 --> 01:43:23,840 Speaker 2: time as this that cited comments from that commentary track 2045 01:43:23,880 --> 01:43:26,960 Speaker 2: without naming who said them. One, there's a few people 2046 01:43:26,960 --> 01:43:29,880 Speaker 2: at business affairs at Fox who should absolutely be ashamed 2047 01:43:29,920 --> 01:43:32,720 Speaker 2: of themselves, and I found it offensive. We could make 2048 01:43:32,760 --> 01:43:37,400 Speaker 2: fun of every ethnic group but one which we've sure 2049 01:43:37,520 --> 01:43:39,840 Speaker 2: learned that over the past couple of years, haven't we. 2050 01:43:41,600 --> 01:43:44,120 Speaker 2: Also in the commentary, someone notes that seventy percent of 2051 01:43:44,160 --> 01:43:47,880 Speaker 2: the show's writers are Jewish anyway. That episode also contained 2052 01:43:47,880 --> 01:43:50,719 Speaker 2: a song I Need a Jew that used the melody 2053 01:43:50,760 --> 01:43:53,639 Speaker 2: to when You Wish Upon a Star. A few years later, 2054 01:43:53,680 --> 01:43:56,840 Speaker 2: in October two thousand and seven, the Born Company publishing house, 2055 01:43:56,920 --> 01:43:59,120 Speaker 2: the sole owners of the copyright too when You Wish 2056 01:43:59,240 --> 01:44:02,320 Speaker 2: Upon a Star, fired a lawsuit against several Fox Divisions, 2057 01:44:02,400 --> 01:44:07,360 Speaker 2: cartoon network, McFarland's company, Fuzzy Door Productions, McFarland himself, and 2058 01:44:07,439 --> 01:44:11,799 Speaker 2: composer Walter Murphy, claiming copyright infringement over the song, seeking 2059 01:44:11,880 --> 01:44:16,479 Speaker 2: unspecified damages and to halt the program's distribution, claiming that 2060 01:44:16,520 --> 01:44:20,320 Speaker 2: the offensive nature of the parody damaged their song's potential earnings. 2061 01:44:20,640 --> 01:44:23,479 Speaker 2: The case dragged on for eighteen months before a judge 2062 01:44:23,560 --> 01:44:26,160 Speaker 2: ruled that it was protected by a parody and that 2063 01:44:26,200 --> 01:44:29,280 Speaker 2: there was no copyright infringement, So suck on that the 2064 01:44:29,320 --> 01:44:30,200 Speaker 2: Born Company. 2065 01:44:31,520 --> 01:44:35,560 Speaker 1: However, there is one Family Guy episode that still isn't available. 2066 01:44:35,600 --> 01:44:37,080 Speaker 1: I didn't know this until reading this. 2067 01:44:37,680 --> 01:44:39,800 Speaker 2: I mean, it's probably it's out there. It's out there 2068 01:44:40,200 --> 01:44:41,920 Speaker 2: on the internet, but not officially. 2069 01:44:42,040 --> 01:44:47,639 Speaker 1: The intended season eighth finale partial Terms of Endearment, which, yeah, 2070 01:44:48,320 --> 01:44:50,639 Speaker 1: as some of you may have Guessed is about abortion 2071 01:44:50,880 --> 01:44:53,120 Speaker 1: and contains frank discussion. 2072 01:44:52,680 --> 01:44:53,960 Speaker 2: And jokes about such. 2073 01:44:55,080 --> 01:44:57,800 Speaker 1: Owing to this, the episode was never aired on either 2074 01:44:57,840 --> 01:45:00,639 Speaker 1: Fox or Cartoon Network, wasn't put on the season eight 2075 01:45:00,680 --> 01:45:04,599 Speaker 1: box set, and isn't available to stream on Hulu. It 2076 01:45:04,640 --> 01:45:07,680 Speaker 1: is apparently for sale on Amazon Prime, however, as part 2077 01:45:07,680 --> 01:45:10,000 Speaker 1: of a Family Guy package, and was aired in the 2078 01:45:10,080 --> 01:45:14,080 Speaker 1: UK in June twenty ten. Then Fox Entertainment president Kevin 2079 01:45:14,160 --> 01:45:17,679 Speaker 1: Riley told The New York Times that unsurprisingly, the decision 2080 01:45:17,800 --> 01:45:21,920 Speaker 1: came down to money. It's an extremely fragile subject matter 2081 01:45:22,000 --> 01:45:25,400 Speaker 1: at an extremely fragile economic time, Riley said, of all 2082 01:45:25,439 --> 01:45:27,640 Speaker 1: the issues, this is the one that seems to be 2083 01:45:27,720 --> 01:45:30,639 Speaker 1: the most of a hot button, particularly at that moment 2084 01:45:30,680 --> 01:45:33,120 Speaker 1: in time. The economy was really struggling and there were 2085 01:45:33,160 --> 01:45:35,839 Speaker 1: a lot of very tough conversations going on with clients. 2086 01:45:36,680 --> 01:45:39,679 Speaker 1: Riley continued, it's very hard on the Family Guy's scale 2087 01:45:39,760 --> 01:45:42,960 Speaker 1: to say this one was more offensive than anything else 2088 01:45:43,000 --> 01:45:45,960 Speaker 1: they tackled, while allowing that he thought the subject was 2089 01:45:46,040 --> 01:45:50,160 Speaker 1: quote handled well, but quote one felt like it could 2090 01:45:50,200 --> 01:45:53,519 Speaker 1: cause trouble and it was just not worth it. The 2091 01:45:53,560 --> 01:45:56,680 Speaker 1: episode's writer, Danny Smith, also told The Times that the 2092 01:45:56,680 --> 01:45:59,960 Speaker 1: script didn't make waves among the admittedly mostly male right. 2093 01:46:00,920 --> 01:46:04,200 Speaker 1: He said, we've had more spirited debates about whether or 2094 01:46:04,240 --> 01:46:06,599 Speaker 1: not we should state whether Santa Claus is real. 2095 01:46:06,840 --> 01:46:08,680 Speaker 2: I read that they did a table read of this 2096 01:46:08,800 --> 01:46:11,760 Speaker 2: once it got shut down, and that it was well 2097 01:46:11,840 --> 01:46:15,160 Speaker 2: received at the table read when wherever they did it with, 2098 01:46:15,400 --> 01:46:19,880 Speaker 2: you know, I guess it passed some audience's smell test. 2099 01:46:19,960 --> 01:46:23,559 Speaker 2: But do they have audiences for table reads? They do 2100 01:46:23,600 --> 01:46:26,320 Speaker 2: them well, they'll do them, they'll do them sometimes they'll 2101 01:46:26,479 --> 01:46:29,639 Speaker 2: do them as an event. But it was during COVID 2102 01:46:29,640 --> 01:46:32,040 Speaker 2: when it started just being like a virtual thing that 2103 01:46:32,080 --> 01:46:34,120 Speaker 2: people did because it wasn't a table read for like 2104 01:46:34,160 --> 01:46:37,080 Speaker 2: rehearsing it. Do you want to come to see the 2105 01:46:37,120 --> 01:46:39,920 Speaker 2: Family Guy cast do a table read of this episode? 2106 01:46:40,320 --> 01:46:42,280 Speaker 2: I would like to see that. That'd be cool. Yeah, 2107 01:46:42,400 --> 01:46:43,439 Speaker 2: that would be fun for me. 2108 01:46:44,600 --> 01:46:47,920 Speaker 1: But Farland also gave an eerily prescient quote in that 2109 01:46:47,960 --> 01:46:51,639 Speaker 1: aforementioned New York Times article saying people in America they're 2110 01:46:51,640 --> 01:46:54,599 Speaker 1: getting dumber. They're getting less and less able to analyze 2111 01:46:54,640 --> 01:46:57,759 Speaker 1: something and think critically and pick apart the underlying elements, 2112 01:46:58,160 --> 01:47:00,000 Speaker 1: and more and more ready to make a snap judge 2113 01:47:00,200 --> 01:47:03,760 Speaker 1: regarding something at face value, which is too bad. You 2114 01:47:03,880 --> 01:47:06,439 Speaker 1: really see, you know, his love of Archie Bunker and 2115 01:47:06,520 --> 01:47:08,800 Speaker 1: all in the family. In something like this where you 2116 01:47:08,840 --> 01:47:12,400 Speaker 1: wouldn't be able to have a character who says a 2117 01:47:12,439 --> 01:47:15,479 Speaker 1: bad thing on air, even though the character is saying 2118 01:47:15,520 --> 01:47:18,559 Speaker 1: the bad thing, is meant to demonstrate how ridiculous his 2119 01:47:18,640 --> 01:47:20,720 Speaker 1: beliefs are. The fact that he said the bad thing 2120 01:47:20,760 --> 01:47:21,160 Speaker 1: on air. 2121 01:47:21,479 --> 01:47:23,360 Speaker 2: I mean, it's part of what I've heard. I saw 2122 01:47:23,439 --> 01:47:27,240 Speaker 2: to get termed depiction as endorsement, oh, which is like 2123 01:47:28,080 --> 01:47:31,920 Speaker 2: become a watchword lately because apparently, like the Zoomers, there's 2124 01:47:31,920 --> 01:47:34,400 Speaker 2: all these people who get super angry on Twitter when 2125 01:47:34,479 --> 01:47:39,160 Speaker 2: like they're like, you expect me to watch this movie 2126 01:47:39,280 --> 01:47:42,960 Speaker 2: where this character does this, this and this, and it's like, yeah, 2127 01:47:42,960 --> 01:47:45,280 Speaker 2: it's a movie, the character is a bad person. It's 2128 01:47:45,280 --> 01:47:48,360 Speaker 2: not really actually happening, you know. So this idea of 2129 01:47:48,479 --> 01:47:51,960 Speaker 2: like just because it's depicted, it's offensive and terrible, where 2130 01:47:51,960 --> 01:47:54,599 Speaker 2: it's like you're completely ignoring the point that the movie 2131 01:47:54,640 --> 01:47:58,439 Speaker 2: is trying to make about either the character or the issue. 2132 01:47:59,080 --> 01:48:01,200 Speaker 2: But I thought that was just put rather succinctly. I 2133 01:48:01,320 --> 01:48:04,559 Speaker 2: liked it. Depiction endorsement by depiction. 2134 01:48:05,120 --> 01:48:06,120 Speaker 1: I like that. I never heard that. 2135 01:48:06,400 --> 01:48:08,280 Speaker 2: Well, now put on to a lighter subject. 2136 01:48:09,439 --> 01:48:11,400 Speaker 1: Yes, nine to eleven. 2137 01:48:12,240 --> 01:48:17,520 Speaker 2: What is it and what can it do for you? 2138 01:48:17,520 --> 01:48:18,920 Speaker 2: You better keep that one. 2139 01:48:19,160 --> 01:48:21,479 Speaker 1: We're about to get to a fairly well known bit 2140 01:48:21,520 --> 01:48:24,519 Speaker 1: of law about Seth MacFarlane on September eleventh, two thousand 2141 01:48:24,560 --> 01:48:27,040 Speaker 1: and one, who's booked to fly from Boston to Los 2142 01:48:27,080 --> 01:48:31,160 Speaker 1: Angeles on American Airlines Flight eleven, but it's travel agent 2143 01:48:31,200 --> 01:48:33,559 Speaker 1: had mistakenly told him that the flight left at eight 2144 01:48:33,680 --> 01:48:37,200 Speaker 1: fifteen and not seven forty five. He talks about this 2145 01:48:37,280 --> 01:48:39,400 Speaker 1: a lot, pretty much, everyone asks us about this. Here's 2146 01:48:39,439 --> 01:48:42,400 Speaker 1: what he told MPR. I'm a perpetually late person. In 2147 01:48:42,439 --> 01:48:44,599 Speaker 1: every flight that takes off, you have to figure that 2148 01:48:44,680 --> 01:48:47,320 Speaker 1: somebody's going to miss the flight or somebody's late. And 2149 01:48:47,400 --> 01:48:49,479 Speaker 1: on top of that, who knows how many times a 2150 01:48:49,560 --> 01:48:51,760 Speaker 1: day we've had similar close calls? Is the one I 2151 01:48:51,840 --> 01:48:54,439 Speaker 1: had this morning crossing the street. If I'd cross five 2152 01:48:54,439 --> 01:48:56,200 Speaker 1: minutes later, I would have been hit by a car. 2153 01:48:56,240 --> 01:48:57,280 Speaker 2: Who knows so? 2154 01:48:57,360 --> 01:48:59,960 Speaker 1: In my case, obviously the day itself was a tragedy 2155 01:49:00,080 --> 01:49:02,920 Speaker 1: in a disaster. But if we're just talking about my case, 2156 01:49:03,160 --> 01:49:05,200 Speaker 1: it doesn't strike me as something that I'm attaching an 2157 01:49:05,280 --> 01:49:09,160 Speaker 1: unbelievable amount of significance to because of those reasons, because 2158 01:49:09,160 --> 01:49:14,960 Speaker 1: I missed a bunch of flights, I disagree in this scenario, 2159 01:49:15,400 --> 01:49:16,400 Speaker 1: that would stick with me. 2160 01:49:17,080 --> 01:49:19,519 Speaker 2: Well, Jordan, maybe one day you failed to make a 2161 01:49:19,520 --> 01:49:21,960 Speaker 2: flight that'll be hijacked and then we'll see how you feel. 2162 01:49:22,320 --> 01:49:25,400 Speaker 2: Can anyone do that, Jamie, Jamie, Jamie can arrange it. 2163 01:49:26,000 --> 01:49:27,160 Speaker 2: Can we arrange that for Jordan? 2164 01:49:27,880 --> 01:49:29,559 Speaker 1: I can tell you right now that would that would 2165 01:49:29,600 --> 01:49:32,439 Speaker 1: stick with me. Well, I told you the story about 2166 01:49:32,439 --> 01:49:33,240 Speaker 1: my aunt. 2167 01:49:33,439 --> 01:49:35,960 Speaker 2: Right. You're telling a lot of stories on this episode, 2168 01:49:36,400 --> 01:49:36,840 Speaker 2: so I know. 2169 01:49:36,840 --> 01:49:39,360 Speaker 1: I'm sorry everybody. I know we've got I. 2170 01:49:39,360 --> 01:49:41,519 Speaker 2: Think you should tell the story about when the plane 2171 01:49:41,560 --> 01:49:44,400 Speaker 2: you were on started to go down. 2172 01:49:44,840 --> 01:49:47,639 Speaker 1: Oh that was bad. I've told that story. Oh yeah, 2173 01:49:47,640 --> 01:49:49,880 Speaker 1: I wrote I wrote a love note on an airsickness 2174 01:49:49,880 --> 01:49:52,280 Speaker 1: bag to a girl I like the time. Yeah, that 2175 01:49:52,360 --> 01:49:52,760 Speaker 1: was bad. 2176 01:49:53,400 --> 01:49:54,960 Speaker 2: It was more about the guy next to you who 2177 01:49:54,960 --> 01:49:57,120 Speaker 2: grabbed your hand and was screaming. 2178 01:49:57,320 --> 01:50:00,360 Speaker 1: That was a different No, He's just that was a 2179 01:50:00,360 --> 01:50:03,200 Speaker 1: different flight when the turbulence was really bad. I hate 2180 01:50:03,200 --> 01:50:05,519 Speaker 1: to fly, I really hate to fly, and apparently so 2181 01:50:05,600 --> 01:50:07,840 Speaker 1: did this man because he just kept grabbing my hand. 2182 01:50:08,160 --> 01:50:08,879 Speaker 2: Total stranger. 2183 01:50:08,880 --> 01:50:11,240 Speaker 1: We hadn't spoken to each other the entire flight, and 2184 01:50:11,240 --> 01:50:14,200 Speaker 1: then when I looked at him with a quizzical look 2185 01:50:14,240 --> 01:50:15,960 Speaker 1: in my face, he said, I'm just gonna hold your 2186 01:50:16,000 --> 01:50:19,559 Speaker 1: hand as a statement of intent. 2187 01:50:20,200 --> 01:50:26,360 Speaker 2: Is that happens to you, Yeah, it really is. Yeah. No, 2188 01:50:26,439 --> 01:50:29,240 Speaker 2: I don't know, man. I mean, like, I try not 2189 01:50:29,320 --> 01:50:31,519 Speaker 2: to read into shit like that because that'll make you 2190 01:50:31,560 --> 01:50:32,240 Speaker 2: go insane. 2191 01:50:32,640 --> 01:50:36,200 Speaker 1: You know. I think I think it's his atheism peeking through, 2192 01:50:36,400 --> 01:50:38,920 Speaker 1: he said to the av club. I'm not a fatalist. 2193 01:50:38,920 --> 01:50:41,360 Speaker 1: I'm not a religious person. What I felt more than 2194 01:50:41,400 --> 01:50:44,400 Speaker 1: anything else was gratitude towards my travel agent for screwing 2195 01:50:44,479 --> 01:50:47,320 Speaker 1: up my itinerary. It didn't change my perspective on what 2196 01:50:47,360 --> 01:50:49,960 Speaker 1: I do or anything like that. I couldn't really let it. 2197 01:50:50,240 --> 01:50:53,559 Speaker 1: If anything, I started drinking more, which, speaking of which 2198 01:50:53,600 --> 01:50:55,479 Speaker 1: I thought, I read he was hungover and that was 2199 01:50:55,520 --> 01:50:57,519 Speaker 1: why he was running late and missing the flight. But 2200 01:50:57,560 --> 01:50:59,599 Speaker 1: I guess two things can be true at the same time. 2201 01:50:59,720 --> 01:51:01,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. But no, I told you. 2202 01:51:01,640 --> 01:51:06,439 Speaker 1: My grandmother very very Catholic, so she would kind of 2203 01:51:06,560 --> 01:51:10,120 Speaker 1: try to reject anything that sort of smacked of the occult. 2204 01:51:10,200 --> 01:51:12,360 Speaker 1: But she would claim that she would have these these 2205 01:51:12,439 --> 01:51:16,559 Speaker 1: kind of psychic visions or dreams and she had a dream. 2206 01:51:16,960 --> 01:51:19,559 Speaker 1: So the night before her oldest daughter was supposed to 2207 01:51:19,600 --> 01:51:20,760 Speaker 1: go with friends on. 2208 01:51:21,120 --> 01:51:22,880 Speaker 2: A college to Oh you told me this story. 2209 01:51:23,120 --> 01:51:24,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, Well they were going to go on a college 2210 01:51:24,760 --> 01:51:28,439 Speaker 1: tour and with friends, and the night before my grandmother 2211 01:51:28,479 --> 01:51:31,240 Speaker 1: had a dream of Jesus on the horseback riding up 2212 01:51:31,240 --> 01:51:35,799 Speaker 1: to her and shaking his head and somehow intimato, don't 2213 01:51:35,880 --> 01:51:38,599 Speaker 1: let She somehow took this to mean that she shouldn't 2214 01:51:38,680 --> 01:51:40,960 Speaker 1: let her daughter go on this trip. And so the 2215 01:51:41,000 --> 01:51:44,240 Speaker 1: next morning, when like my aunt or daughter was about 2216 01:51:44,320 --> 01:51:46,160 Speaker 1: to leave, she's like, no, you can't go. I'm sorry, 2217 01:51:46,200 --> 01:51:48,200 Speaker 1: I just have a really bad feeling. And my aunt 2218 01:51:48,400 --> 01:51:50,719 Speaker 1: was all pissed off and went storming off to her room. 2219 01:51:50,840 --> 01:51:54,160 Speaker 1: And then later that day, the car that her friends 2220 01:51:54,280 --> 01:51:57,120 Speaker 1: were driving in was hit by a semi on a 2221 01:51:57,160 --> 01:51:59,639 Speaker 1: bridge and went off the bridge and everybody in the car. 2222 01:52:00,040 --> 01:52:02,240 Speaker 1: I don't know if they drowned or died a blunt 2223 01:52:02,320 --> 01:52:04,160 Speaker 1: force impact or what, but they all died. 2224 01:52:04,640 --> 01:52:05,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. 2225 01:52:05,640 --> 01:52:07,679 Speaker 1: I've had a few instances of my life where those 2226 01:52:07,720 --> 01:52:10,880 Speaker 1: things that you know, kind of can't be explained that 2227 01:52:11,040 --> 01:52:13,600 Speaker 1: I don't I don't have strong feelings on what was 2228 01:52:13,600 --> 01:52:16,040 Speaker 1: at play. But I have to admit that it was weird, 2229 01:52:16,520 --> 01:52:18,720 Speaker 1: and I find this weird. I find it weird that 2230 01:52:19,080 --> 01:52:19,880 Speaker 1: narrowly miss. 2231 01:52:19,800 --> 01:52:22,240 Speaker 2: You're perfectly You're perfectly entitled to. 2232 01:52:23,640 --> 01:52:26,160 Speaker 1: But you know what, it wasn't my experience to have, 2233 01:52:26,280 --> 01:52:28,479 Speaker 1: So Seth can feel about it anyway he wants. 2234 01:52:28,800 --> 01:52:34,640 Speaker 2: That's right, right, that's right. I'm just reminded of the 2235 01:52:34,680 --> 01:52:38,760 Speaker 2: one Anthony Gizelnick joke that I liked, which was, you know, 2236 01:52:38,800 --> 01:52:40,880 Speaker 2: my mother was actually supposed to be on one of 2237 01:52:40,920 --> 01:52:46,200 Speaker 2: the flights for nine to eleven. I think, yeah, to 2238 01:52:46,200 --> 01:52:48,840 Speaker 2: delay it's a delayed burn, which is one of the 2239 01:52:48,880 --> 01:52:53,479 Speaker 2: things I like about it. Am I talking to you? 2240 01:52:53,520 --> 01:52:54,880 Speaker 2: Talkingou what's going on? 2241 01:52:55,200 --> 01:52:59,040 Speaker 1: Yeah? But what's interesting about Seth macfarlan and nine to 2242 01:52:59,040 --> 01:53:02,200 Speaker 1: eleven other than this flight thing, was that Family Guy 2243 01:53:02,240 --> 01:53:05,320 Speaker 1: had aired a gag about Osama bin Lauden two years 2244 01:53:05,360 --> 01:53:08,640 Speaker 1: before the nine to eleven attacks, which I had no 2245 01:53:08,720 --> 01:53:11,320 Speaker 1: idea who Osama bin Laden was before September eleven, two 2246 01:53:11,320 --> 01:53:12,920 Speaker 1: thousand and one. So that's shocking to me. 2247 01:53:13,240 --> 01:53:16,479 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean, well, you're about to explain what 2248 01:53:16,479 --> 01:53:20,400 Speaker 2: what I wrote, So do that you think it's a joke. 2249 01:53:20,600 --> 01:53:23,400 Speaker 1: In the first of Family Guys tributes to the Bing 2250 01:53:23,479 --> 01:53:27,599 Speaker 1: Crosby Bob Hope Road to Blank series, in which they 2251 01:53:27,680 --> 01:53:31,679 Speaker 1: joke about Osama bin Laden distracting airport security by singing 2252 01:53:31,720 --> 01:53:34,760 Speaker 1: I hope I get it from a chorus line. That 2253 01:53:34,840 --> 01:53:38,360 Speaker 1: episode was broadcast in May two thousand as part of 2254 01:53:38,400 --> 01:53:41,960 Speaker 1: the show's second season. I can't believe, like it's just 2255 01:53:42,000 --> 01:53:43,800 Speaker 1: such a weird target for. 2256 01:53:44,040 --> 01:53:46,760 Speaker 2: It is it is, But you know, because I am 2257 01:53:46,920 --> 01:53:49,679 Speaker 2: having disease, I went the extra mile and figured out 2258 01:53:49,840 --> 01:53:51,040 Speaker 2: why exactly, Oh. 2259 01:53:50,920 --> 01:53:52,519 Speaker 1: Tell us, tell us, I would love to know why. 2260 01:53:52,640 --> 01:53:54,960 Speaker 2: So Family Guy is on a ten to fourteen month 2261 01:53:55,040 --> 01:53:57,680 Speaker 2: production schedule, meaning that for a joke to air in 2262 01:53:57,720 --> 01:54:00,639 Speaker 2: a May two thousand episode. I think this gag would 2263 01:54:00,640 --> 01:54:03,320 Speaker 2: have originated when the FBI added bin Laden to the 2264 01:54:03,360 --> 01:54:06,559 Speaker 2: ten most Wanted Fugitives list. They did that because of 2265 01:54:06,600 --> 01:54:09,160 Speaker 2: his involvement in both the nineteen ninety three World Trade 2266 01:54:09,160 --> 01:54:13,120 Speaker 2: Center bombing and the August ninety ninety eight bombings of 2267 01:54:13,240 --> 01:54:18,040 Speaker 2: US embassies in East Africa, but this happened before bin 2268 01:54:18,120 --> 01:54:22,400 Speaker 2: Lawden's attack on the USS coal which ramped up his 2269 01:54:22,479 --> 01:54:26,800 Speaker 2: notoriety in the United States, particularly that happened in October 2270 01:54:26,840 --> 01:54:29,840 Speaker 2: of two thousand, so a little over four months after 2271 01:54:29,880 --> 01:54:34,520 Speaker 2: this episode aired. So Seth MacFarland had clocked Bin Laden 2272 01:54:34,640 --> 01:54:39,560 Speaker 2: from before Bush, did you've made it there before I did? 2273 01:54:39,680 --> 01:54:42,160 Speaker 2: I was going to say, Seth MacFarland had been Laden 2274 01:54:42,200 --> 01:54:48,080 Speaker 2: on his radar long before Norad did, and then before 2275 01:54:48,080 --> 01:54:51,560 Speaker 2: being turned off by George W. Bush. Yours was better? Well, 2276 01:54:51,560 --> 01:54:53,200 Speaker 2: that was more succinct. Yeah. 2277 01:54:53,280 --> 01:54:55,080 Speaker 1: I know we could accused of patenting ourselves on the 2278 01:54:55,120 --> 01:54:58,080 Speaker 1: back and laughing at our own jokes, but folks, if 2279 01:54:58,080 --> 01:55:00,640 Speaker 1: we can't amuse ourselves. Folks, we're doing this in a vacuum. 2280 01:55:01,000 --> 01:55:04,560 Speaker 1: We have to laugh at each other otherwise, otherwise what 2281 01:55:04,640 --> 01:55:07,080 Speaker 1: do we have. If we were doing this on stage, 2282 01:55:07,120 --> 01:55:09,080 Speaker 1: we would probably laugh less at each other because we've 2283 01:55:09,120 --> 01:55:12,440 Speaker 1: got the crowd out there that gives us that feedback 2284 01:55:12,480 --> 01:55:14,920 Speaker 1: We need to have feedback to, like play off of, 2285 01:55:15,320 --> 01:55:20,440 Speaker 1: or else we're just reading. Yeah. So this gag was 2286 01:55:20,440 --> 01:55:23,160 Speaker 1: included in the episode when it was aired pre nine eleven, 2287 01:55:23,160 --> 01:55:25,320 Speaker 1: but obviously in the wake of the attacks, it was 2288 01:55:25,360 --> 01:55:28,200 Speaker 1: cut from re airings and also from the DVD. MacFarland 2289 01:55:28,200 --> 01:55:30,800 Speaker 1: told IGN in two thousand and three, the more I 2290 01:55:30,840 --> 01:55:32,920 Speaker 1: feel this question, the more I feel like it should 2291 01:55:32,920 --> 01:55:35,840 Speaker 1: have been left in the joke. My argument was, well, look, 2292 01:55:35,920 --> 01:55:38,160 Speaker 1: I missed that flight by ten minutes, and I'm okay 2293 01:55:38,200 --> 01:55:41,440 Speaker 1: with putting it on. It's an interesting piece of entertainment history, 2294 01:55:41,480 --> 01:55:45,320 Speaker 1: and it was made two years before nine to eleven. McFarland, however, 2295 01:55:45,400 --> 01:55:47,880 Speaker 1: did not support the joke remaining on air after the 2296 01:55:47,960 --> 01:55:50,760 Speaker 1: nine to eleven attacks. He said that episode reaired or 2297 01:55:50,800 --> 01:55:53,280 Speaker 1: was supposed to re air, not too long after September eleventh, 2298 01:55:53,360 --> 01:55:55,880 Speaker 1: and in that context, I fully supported them cutting that 2299 01:55:56,000 --> 01:55:58,960 Speaker 1: joke out. It would be suicide to air that, especially 2300 01:55:58,960 --> 01:56:01,720 Speaker 1: for people who hadn't seen the first airing and didn't 2301 01:56:01,760 --> 01:56:03,960 Speaker 1: know that it was an old joke from years earlier. 2302 01:56:04,200 --> 01:56:05,960 Speaker 1: They would think that we made it the joke after 2303 01:56:06,000 --> 01:56:09,160 Speaker 1: September eleventh, and that would have just been disastrous. This 2304 01:56:09,200 --> 01:56:11,720 Speaker 1: isn't the only time that the show has predicted in 2305 01:56:11,880 --> 01:56:14,920 Speaker 1: quote something. A two thousand and nine episode joked about 2306 01:56:14,960 --> 01:56:19,080 Speaker 1: Bruce Jenner's vagina, six years before Jenner announced their transition 2307 01:56:19,160 --> 01:56:21,160 Speaker 1: to Caitlin. What is the context. 2308 01:56:21,880 --> 01:56:23,720 Speaker 2: I don't know, and I don't want to know. Yeah, yeah, 2309 01:56:24,120 --> 01:56:27,960 Speaker 2: but just they made a joke about Bruce Jenner's vagina 2310 01:56:28,240 --> 01:56:31,760 Speaker 2: and then one day she got one, and she's very 2311 01:56:31,760 --> 01:56:36,760 Speaker 2: brave for it, despite still being like a southern California Republican. 2312 01:56:38,520 --> 01:56:42,080 Speaker 2: Were you people when that Vanity fair cover came out? No, 2313 01:56:42,360 --> 01:56:44,680 Speaker 2: it was a couple of years before. Oh man, Yeah, 2314 01:56:44,720 --> 01:56:46,640 Speaker 2: that was like a bomb went off in the office. 2315 01:56:46,760 --> 01:56:49,760 Speaker 1: One thing that threw a wrinkle into Family Guy's equal 2316 01:56:49,760 --> 01:56:53,680 Speaker 1: opportunity offenders stance was Disney's acquisition of twentieth Century Fox 2317 01:56:54,000 --> 01:56:57,400 Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen show on Our richa pel Toil the 2318 01:56:57,440 --> 01:57:00,680 Speaker 1: Hollywood Reporter that Disney owns so many properties that I 2319 01:57:00,680 --> 01:57:03,120 Speaker 1: will find myself making legal arguments that I know are 2320 01:57:03,160 --> 01:57:05,480 Speaker 1: winners about parody and why we can get away with 2321 01:57:05,520 --> 01:57:08,280 Speaker 1: certain things. But then the question becomes, well, that may 2322 01:57:08,360 --> 01:57:10,640 Speaker 1: be rich, but Marvel doesn't want to see its character 2323 01:57:10,640 --> 01:57:13,680 Speaker 1: portrayed in this light. And I've sometimes said, well what 2324 01:57:13,720 --> 01:57:15,720 Speaker 1: if we just air it and see what happens, and 2325 01:57:15,760 --> 01:57:18,160 Speaker 1: they'll answer, no, that's not how we work. 2326 01:57:18,480 --> 01:57:21,200 Speaker 2: Finally, as those of you on TikTok and those of 2327 01:57:21,200 --> 01:57:24,360 Speaker 2: you who get your TikTok content via Twitter or Instagram 2328 01:57:24,960 --> 01:57:30,520 Speaker 2: may know, Family Guy has had a startling second life online. Jordan. 2329 01:57:30,960 --> 01:57:35,720 Speaker 2: I mean, my fourteenth year of professional writing was this year. 2330 01:57:36,520 --> 01:57:39,120 Speaker 2: I don't know where you're at But I don't really 2331 01:57:39,160 --> 01:57:44,440 Speaker 2: recall Family Guy being huge in like meme culture in 2332 01:57:44,520 --> 01:57:50,200 Speaker 2: like the early days, like twenty twelve, thirteen, twenty fourteen. 2333 01:57:50,240 --> 01:57:52,440 Speaker 2: I don't remember it being part of the like meme 2334 01:57:52,520 --> 01:57:55,160 Speaker 2: ecosystem at that time. I guess I agree with you. 2335 01:57:55,760 --> 01:57:57,680 Speaker 2: That was early days, and most a lot of it 2336 01:57:57,800 --> 01:57:59,880 Speaker 2: was still just like you know, bad luck Brian or 2337 01:58:00,080 --> 01:58:03,240 Speaker 2: like success Toddler, like clenched fizz Toddler. Like. It was 2338 01:58:03,320 --> 01:58:08,000 Speaker 2: that more than people like trying to remix pop cultural stuff. 2339 01:58:08,040 --> 01:58:11,680 Speaker 2: But man, this TikTok stuff is really out there and 2340 01:58:11,840 --> 01:58:13,720 Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to explaining it to you. But give 2341 01:58:13,800 --> 01:58:14,800 Speaker 2: us a little background. First. 2342 01:58:14,880 --> 01:58:19,360 Speaker 1: Family Guy's online profile was raised considerably after November twenty fourth, 2343 01:58:19,440 --> 01:58:23,320 Speaker 1: twenty thirteen, when The Family Guy killed off Brian. Fans 2344 01:58:23,360 --> 01:58:25,520 Speaker 1: of the show responded to Brian's death with calls to 2345 01:58:25,520 --> 01:58:30,640 Speaker 1: bring the character back alive bring him back Alive, including 2346 01:58:30,680 --> 01:58:33,920 Speaker 1: a change dot org petition titled Seth MacFarlane and Fox 2347 01:58:33,960 --> 01:58:37,880 Speaker 1: Broadcasting Company Bring Brian Griffin Back to Family Guy, and 2348 01:58:37,920 --> 01:58:41,000 Speaker 1: a Facebook petition named Petition to Get Brian Griffin Back, 2349 01:58:41,640 --> 01:58:43,960 Speaker 1: and a similar protest that took place on Twitter under 2350 01:58:44,000 --> 01:58:46,120 Speaker 1: the hashtag bring back Brian. 2351 01:58:46,880 --> 01:58:49,720 Speaker 2: It's like hundreds of thousands of people, by the. 2352 01:58:49,720 --> 01:58:52,560 Speaker 1: Way, I mean, they all must have known that this 2353 01:58:52,760 --> 01:58:55,800 Speaker 1: was no. Three weeks later the show ret conned it 2354 01:58:56,520 --> 01:58:58,680 Speaker 1: or fixed it. I'd never heard that word. 2355 01:58:58,840 --> 01:59:02,160 Speaker 2: Oh really, no, oh man, redcn is. I think it 2356 01:59:02,160 --> 01:59:04,600 Speaker 2: first came out of comics because they're always just bringing 2357 01:59:04,600 --> 01:59:07,280 Speaker 2: people back by some mean or another, but really crossed over. 2358 01:59:07,840 --> 01:59:10,880 Speaker 2: I think more popular culture when like with like all 2359 01:59:10,880 --> 01:59:14,320 Speaker 2: of these franchises and recasting actors and like Marvel stuff 2360 01:59:14,320 --> 01:59:16,400 Speaker 2: where they're like, oh, yeah, that guy we like set 2361 01:59:16,480 --> 01:59:18,760 Speaker 2: up to be a way bigger deal in that early 2362 01:59:18,920 --> 01:59:21,240 Speaker 2: movie that we haven't followed through on it anyway, Like 2363 01:59:21,480 --> 01:59:23,760 Speaker 2: turns out he went back to his home planet and died. 2364 01:59:24,240 --> 01:59:28,839 Speaker 2: It's so yeah, retroactive continuity, redcarm okay. 2365 01:59:29,160 --> 01:59:32,120 Speaker 1: Perhaps obviously given the lead time of the show's production, 2366 01:59:32,240 --> 01:59:35,000 Speaker 1: McFarlane tweeted that the writers had never intended to kill 2367 01:59:35,000 --> 01:59:38,000 Speaker 1: off Brian permanently. He would say that the plot was 2368 01:59:38,040 --> 01:59:41,200 Speaker 1: intended to remind viewers to never take those you love 2369 01:59:41,320 --> 01:59:44,400 Speaker 1: for granted, because they can be gone in a flash. 2370 01:59:44,440 --> 01:59:47,320 Speaker 2: How did Brian die again? Hit back car? Oh yeah, 2371 01:59:48,360 --> 01:59:50,600 Speaker 2: had he come back? I didn't watch these I was 2372 01:59:50,680 --> 01:59:52,880 Speaker 2: not watching the show by this point, but I read 2373 01:59:52,920 --> 01:59:55,800 Speaker 2: the Wikipedia. Stewie finds a version of himself with a 2374 01:59:55,880 --> 01:59:59,480 Speaker 2: time machine and forces that version of himself to go 2375 01:59:59,560 --> 02:00:02,000 Speaker 2: back and time. I'm in save Brian, Okay, all out? 2376 02:00:02,320 --> 02:00:05,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't realize this until researching this episode. William H. 2377 02:00:05,640 --> 02:00:09,440 Speaker 1: Macy was initially floated as the voice of Brian, but 2378 02:00:09,520 --> 02:00:12,000 Speaker 1: he was turned down because this was you know, in 2379 02:00:12,040 --> 02:00:14,160 Speaker 1: the early days. They had but fifty thousand dollars to 2380 02:00:14,160 --> 02:00:16,800 Speaker 1: make an episode in one room, and they didn't have 2381 02:00:16,800 --> 02:00:19,520 Speaker 1: the budget seth MacFarland was getting his sister to voice Meg, 2382 02:00:19,600 --> 02:00:21,240 Speaker 1: and he was doing all the rest of the voices. 2383 02:00:21,800 --> 02:00:26,200 Speaker 1: McFarlan later, that's a great quote, it is. 2384 02:00:26,520 --> 02:00:26,880 Speaker 2: Yeah. 2385 02:00:27,160 --> 02:00:29,840 Speaker 1: McFarland later said, what kind of an arrogant must I 2386 02:00:29,880 --> 02:00:32,160 Speaker 1: have been to look at this great actor and say 2387 02:00:32,280 --> 02:00:33,480 Speaker 1: I think I can do this better? 2388 02:00:33,680 --> 02:00:35,400 Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean that was a common tactic with shows 2389 02:00:35,400 --> 02:00:38,839 Speaker 2: around this area. Like, you know, they cast Danny DeVito 2390 02:00:38,880 --> 02:00:41,160 Speaker 2: in the in the second season of It's Always Sunny 2391 02:00:41,200 --> 02:00:43,440 Speaker 2: because they wanted to bring in a celebrity to anchor 2392 02:00:43,440 --> 02:00:45,600 Speaker 2: the show. They knew it was good and wanted to 2393 02:00:45,680 --> 02:00:47,880 Speaker 2: keep it up, but they were like, you need a 2394 02:00:47,920 --> 02:00:51,320 Speaker 2: recognizable face. In here, a number of standalone gags became 2395 02:00:51,440 --> 02:00:54,360 Speaker 2: enduring meme templates that people still use as well. If 2396 02:00:54,400 --> 02:00:57,160 Speaker 2: you're on Twitter, you'll see the Peppers Farm remembers one 2397 02:00:58,640 --> 02:01:01,200 Speaker 2: the cutaway gag in which has a segment on local 2398 02:01:01,280 --> 02:01:04,320 Speaker 2: news called what really grinds My gears? I remember that 2399 02:01:04,400 --> 02:01:07,720 Speaker 2: the phrase I need an adult, which actually dates back 2400 02:01:07,760 --> 02:01:11,240 Speaker 2: to like these anti child abuse PSAs in the eighties. 2401 02:01:11,280 --> 02:01:15,800 Speaker 2: That's certainly where McFarlane remembered them from, but it was 2402 02:01:15,840 --> 02:01:18,480 Speaker 2: resurrected by the show early in like the year two 2403 02:01:18,480 --> 02:01:23,680 Speaker 2: thousand and also, Damn Nature, You Scary. Apparently, Google interest 2404 02:01:23,720 --> 02:01:26,240 Speaker 2: in the show peaked between October two thousand and eight 2405 02:01:26,240 --> 02:01:28,800 Speaker 2: and March two thousand and nine. This is interesting it 2406 02:01:28,840 --> 02:01:32,760 Speaker 2: coincides with the show's seventh season, which featured holdover episodes 2407 02:01:32,800 --> 02:01:34,720 Speaker 2: from the sixth season, which was cut short due to 2408 02:01:34,720 --> 02:01:36,440 Speaker 2: the two thousand and seven two thousand and eight Writers 2409 02:01:36,440 --> 02:01:40,040 Speaker 2: Guild of America strike. Although Fox aired episodes in defiance 2410 02:01:40,040 --> 02:01:43,440 Speaker 2: of Seth MacFarlane, which he got very mad about. That 2411 02:01:43,600 --> 02:01:46,839 Speaker 2: season also included an episode that inspired the Venezuelan government 2412 02:01:46,920 --> 02:01:50,240 Speaker 2: to ban Family Guy for twenty is the name of 2413 02:01:50,240 --> 02:01:53,160 Speaker 2: the episode in which Brian attempts to legalize pot in Cohog. 2414 02:01:53,440 --> 02:01:56,440 Speaker 1: That's the one where they do like a stoner version 2415 02:01:56,480 --> 02:01:59,840 Speaker 1: of the Chitty Chitty Bang Bang song me Ol Bamboo 2416 02:02:00,040 --> 02:02:01,520 Speaker 1: if I remember correctly. 2417 02:02:01,720 --> 02:02:03,480 Speaker 2: Sounds about right. Yeah. 2418 02:02:03,480 --> 02:02:07,440 Speaker 1: As a result of that episode, High Times the esteemed 2419 02:02:07,600 --> 02:02:11,320 Speaker 1: marijuana publication stowed upon Brian Griffin. It's Stoner of the 2420 02:02:11,400 --> 02:02:15,920 Speaker 1: Year title in two thousand and nine. Anyway, the show 2421 02:02:16,000 --> 02:02:20,840 Speaker 1: is also banned in Indonesia, Vietnam, Iraq, Egypt, Taiwan, South Korea, 2422 02:02:20,920 --> 02:02:23,320 Speaker 1: South Africa, and Malaysia. 2423 02:02:23,680 --> 02:02:24,200 Speaker 2: South Korea. 2424 02:02:24,240 --> 02:02:27,480 Speaker 1: Actually that surprises me, Iraq not so much. 2425 02:02:31,800 --> 02:02:34,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's weird considering I think, like I've 2426 02:02:34,200 --> 02:02:37,840 Speaker 2: definitely seen like Korean people rolling around with really cool 2427 02:02:37,840 --> 02:02:39,800 Speaker 2: outfits with like Peter Griffin on them. 2428 02:02:39,960 --> 02:02:42,440 Speaker 1: So isn't it animated there too? Oh? 2429 02:02:42,760 --> 02:02:45,240 Speaker 2: I mean so much stuff is yeah over there because 2430 02:02:45,280 --> 02:02:49,720 Speaker 2: it's non union jobs. What was I talking about? Oh? Yeah? 2431 02:02:49,760 --> 02:02:52,240 Speaker 2: But this is interesting though, because I think it peaked 2432 02:02:52,400 --> 02:02:55,000 Speaker 2: in search Oni in between October two thousand and eight 2433 02:02:55,200 --> 02:02:57,880 Speaker 2: and March two thousand and nine. Jordan, you used to 2434 02:02:57,880 --> 02:03:01,320 Speaker 2: work for Celebrity Rag like I did. What is that season? Oh? 2435 02:03:01,360 --> 02:03:02,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a ward show season. 2436 02:03:03,680 --> 02:03:06,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, So the seventh season was nominated for a Primetime 2437 02:03:06,760 --> 02:03:10,640 Speaker 2: Emmy Award for Outstanding Comedy Series that year, making Family 2438 02:03:10,640 --> 02:03:13,560 Speaker 2: Guy the first animated series to be nominated in that 2439 02:03:13,600 --> 02:03:17,400 Speaker 2: category since The Flintstones in nineteen sixty one in one, 2440 02:03:18,200 --> 02:03:20,720 Speaker 2: and it has since won eight more Primetime enemy. 2441 02:03:21,000 --> 02:03:21,720 Speaker 1: Wow. 2442 02:03:22,840 --> 02:03:24,600 Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean that makes sense why people would 2443 02:03:24,600 --> 02:03:27,720 Speaker 2: be looking for it during award show season, being like, Wow, 2444 02:03:27,760 --> 02:03:31,360 Speaker 2: did this really break this record? Blah blah blah blah blah. Anyway, 2445 02:03:32,000 --> 02:03:39,600 Speaker 2: finally we're getting into TikTok, so the show's current prominence 2446 02:03:39,760 --> 02:03:42,640 Speaker 2: as part of it, or at least where I've been seeing. 2447 02:03:43,000 --> 02:03:44,800 Speaker 2: I don't know if it's still used on TikTok, but 2448 02:03:44,920 --> 02:03:47,880 Speaker 2: where I started seeing its surface on TikTok was in 2449 02:03:47,960 --> 02:03:50,600 Speaker 2: like twenty two to twenty three, and that is indeed 2450 02:03:50,640 --> 02:03:53,280 Speaker 2: when it started. It's going to get deep and weird, 2451 02:03:53,360 --> 02:03:55,440 Speaker 2: so bear with me. A lot of this has to 2452 02:03:55,440 --> 02:03:58,240 Speaker 2: do with copyright strikes, like how people would avoid people 2453 02:03:58,360 --> 02:04:02,880 Speaker 2: would put post clips like show clip roundups to YouTube, 2454 02:04:03,280 --> 02:04:06,400 Speaker 2: will like insert random audio at points or different non 2455 02:04:06,480 --> 02:04:11,440 Speaker 2: sequarters to throw off the copyright bots. But beginning in 2456 02:04:11,480 --> 02:04:15,280 Speaker 2: mid November twenty twenty two, Family Guy clip channels on 2457 02:04:15,360 --> 02:04:20,680 Speaker 2: TikTok began using a series of videos that showed a 2458 02:04:20,720 --> 02:04:24,800 Speaker 2: man putting various objects, including cigarettes and carrots, into a 2459 02:04:24,840 --> 02:04:28,640 Speaker 2: metal pipe as part of the repair process, and while 2460 02:04:28,760 --> 02:04:32,839 Speaker 2: under or over in a split screen format family Guy clips, 2461 02:04:34,320 --> 02:04:37,600 Speaker 2: so you're getting this bizarre two screen rendering of something 2462 02:04:37,640 --> 02:04:41,800 Speaker 2: completely unrelated and family Guy clips at the bottom. So 2463 02:04:41,840 --> 02:04:45,840 Speaker 2: there were least three prominent family Guy accounts that did this. 2464 02:04:46,840 --> 02:04:49,760 Speaker 2: The first posting was on November ninth, twenty twenty two. 2465 02:04:50,200 --> 02:04:52,640 Speaker 2: It got over twenty six thousand plays in a month. 2466 02:04:53,200 --> 02:04:57,080 Speaker 2: And then because the popularity of those search terms of 2467 02:04:57,240 --> 02:05:03,280 Speaker 2: family Guy pipe, TikTok's algorithm actually glitched, so it wound 2468 02:05:03,320 --> 02:05:08,120 Speaker 2: up suggesting the phrase family Guy pipeline incident, which is 2469 02:05:08,120 --> 02:05:11,600 Speaker 2: a corruption of those search terms in everybody's related search 2470 02:05:11,680 --> 02:05:15,000 Speaker 2: bars and comments. So everybody started being like, what the 2471 02:05:15,000 --> 02:05:17,520 Speaker 2: hell is the family Guy pipeline incident? And they start 2472 02:05:17,560 --> 02:05:20,640 Speaker 2: searching for it more so it becomes this whole or 2473 02:05:20,640 --> 02:05:25,080 Speaker 2: boros of like a predictive search algorithm glitches, and then 2474 02:05:25,120 --> 02:05:28,400 Speaker 2: more people start searching for that term than the original 2475 02:05:28,480 --> 02:05:31,160 Speaker 2: search thing, so that I think started it. And then 2476 02:05:31,200 --> 02:05:33,120 Speaker 2: thanks to the helpful folks over it know your meme. 2477 02:05:33,200 --> 02:05:35,960 Speaker 2: We can actually trace the progression of Family Guy posting 2478 02:05:36,320 --> 02:05:38,600 Speaker 2: over the next two month, as like you would track 2479 02:05:38,720 --> 02:05:43,000 Speaker 2: a spore, fungus or something. So November twentieth, twenty twenty two, 2480 02:05:43,200 --> 02:05:46,840 Speaker 2: TikToker Popperball nine posted a Family Guy clip video featuring 2481 02:05:46,960 --> 02:05:51,120 Speaker 2: multiple layers of other videos layered across it to deliberately 2482 02:05:51,560 --> 02:05:54,879 Speaker 2: do a kind of meta reference to how people evade 2483 02:05:55,040 --> 02:05:58,240 Speaker 2: the platform's copyright claim system, and then over the course 2484 02:05:58,280 --> 02:06:01,040 Speaker 2: of twenty two days, that video got three point nine 2485 02:06:01,200 --> 02:06:04,920 Speaker 2: million plays. December second, twenty twenty two, another TikTok poster 2486 02:06:05,080 --> 02:06:09,600 Speaker 2: hosted the first known Family Guy jump scare video, which 2487 02:06:09,640 --> 02:06:12,760 Speaker 2: is it features just normal clips from the show and 2488 02:06:12,800 --> 02:06:15,720 Speaker 2: then all of the sudden, like a scary face will 2489 02:06:15,720 --> 02:06:17,960 Speaker 2: come out and scream at you and the volume will distort. 2490 02:06:18,400 --> 02:06:20,920 Speaker 2: Although they did one that just said George Bush did 2491 02:06:21,000 --> 02:06:24,840 Speaker 2: nine to eleven that I really liked, and then from 2492 02:06:24,880 --> 02:06:29,280 Speaker 2: there that mutates into what we call overstimulation content or 2493 02:06:29,360 --> 02:06:32,760 Speaker 2: a subset of ADHD posting. This is a trend with 2494 02:06:33,080 --> 02:06:36,080 Speaker 2: like these poor zoomers whose brains have been fried from 2495 02:06:36,240 --> 02:06:41,200 Speaker 2: jump with phones. They post the same split screen format. 2496 02:06:41,240 --> 02:06:44,680 Speaker 2: It'll either be a screen recording of their phone where 2497 02:06:44,920 --> 02:06:47,240 Speaker 2: Family Guy is playing on one half of it, and 2498 02:06:47,280 --> 02:06:50,880 Speaker 2: then they're playing Subway Surfers or another like low cost 2499 02:06:51,080 --> 02:06:54,200 Speaker 2: mobile game in the other half of the phone. So 2500 02:06:54,200 --> 02:06:56,200 Speaker 2: they either post screen recordings of that or they post 2501 02:06:56,280 --> 02:07:01,120 Speaker 2: pictures of themselves doing that while watching TV. And this 2502 02:07:01,200 --> 02:07:05,080 Speaker 2: is the craziest thing. Subway Surfers became like the mobile 2503 02:07:05,160 --> 02:07:10,080 Speaker 2: game of choice for this meme structure which I remember 2504 02:07:10,120 --> 02:07:13,320 Speaker 2: playing in like twenty eleven. That became popular because there 2505 02:07:13,360 --> 02:07:16,600 Speaker 2: was a guy who was using TikTok's text to voice 2506 02:07:16,600 --> 02:07:21,760 Speaker 2: feature to narrate content from Reddit and to avoid copyright 2507 02:07:21,760 --> 02:07:25,720 Speaker 2: strikes from Reddit or seo creeping, he posted it in 2508 02:07:25,760 --> 02:07:29,960 Speaker 2: the split screen format while Subway Surfers or Minecraft played 2509 02:07:29,960 --> 02:07:33,839 Speaker 2: in the background. So this guy is using Subway Surfers 2510 02:07:33,840 --> 02:07:38,879 Speaker 2: to duck Reddit copyright or Reddit strike claims by spamming 2511 02:07:38,920 --> 02:07:42,160 Speaker 2: Subway Surfers in the background. And then the same guy 2512 02:07:43,000 --> 02:07:46,880 Speaker 2: sees how popular Family Guy is becoming and becomes one 2513 02:07:46,880 --> 02:07:50,919 Speaker 2: of the original accounts posting Family Guy Subway Surfer clips 2514 02:07:51,560 --> 02:07:55,880 Speaker 2: in December of twenty twenty two, so that from mid 2515 02:07:55,960 --> 02:07:59,600 Speaker 2: November to December twenty twenty two, this thing has already 2516 02:07:59,600 --> 02:08:02,480 Speaker 2: become a trend, a trend people are tweaking, and a 2517 02:08:02,520 --> 02:08:07,600 Speaker 2: trend people have now built on by showing how they're 2518 02:08:07,680 --> 02:08:11,440 Speaker 2: unable to pay attention to anything. Then I mean, this 2519 02:08:11,520 --> 02:08:13,080 Speaker 2: is this is what I find. So it's fascinating from 2520 02:08:13,080 --> 02:08:15,400 Speaker 2: an academic standpoint because it's just like it's like the 2521 02:08:15,440 --> 02:08:18,160 Speaker 2: study of culture. It's like how this stuff or viruses, 2522 02:08:18,200 --> 02:08:20,680 Speaker 2: like how this stuff would you know, move through these 2523 02:08:20,760 --> 02:08:24,120 Speaker 2: move through these ecosystems. So I don't know if you've 2524 02:08:24,120 --> 02:08:28,840 Speaker 2: seen the boring or long as hell phrase like this 2525 02:08:28,920 --> 02:08:32,800 Speaker 2: move this funeral, boring, boring a hell? Have you seen that? 2526 02:08:33,160 --> 02:08:35,920 Speaker 1: I am like a new born child hearing all. 2527 02:08:35,880 --> 02:08:38,680 Speaker 2: This, So like a ton of TikTok slang, which I 2528 02:08:38,800 --> 02:08:40,840 Speaker 2: don't think we should let these kids get away with. 2529 02:08:42,040 --> 02:08:46,520 Speaker 2: Boring ass is taken from aa VE or African American 2530 02:08:46,600 --> 02:08:49,720 Speaker 2: vernacular English, Like half of TikTok slang is stolen from 2531 02:08:49,880 --> 02:08:52,400 Speaker 2: Black people used to say it's supposed to sound like 2532 02:08:52,480 --> 02:08:56,480 Speaker 2: ass with like a stereotypical quote black scent. So instead 2533 02:08:56,480 --> 02:08:59,080 Speaker 2: of seeing boring ass that they avoid the curse by 2534 02:08:59,120 --> 02:09:02,000 Speaker 2: saying boring as. So you can find instances of it 2535 02:09:02,040 --> 02:09:04,960 Speaker 2: being called but people say boring at and like Twitter 2536 02:09:05,000 --> 02:09:07,760 Speaker 2: in two thousand and nine, but the zoomers really glommed 2537 02:09:07,800 --> 02:09:11,040 Speaker 2: onto it in early twenty twenty two and they started 2538 02:09:11,040 --> 02:09:16,200 Speaker 2: calling things goofy ah. And then when this whole Family 2539 02:09:16,200 --> 02:09:19,320 Speaker 2: Guy thing is reaching on TikTok is reaching critical mass, 2540 02:09:20,440 --> 02:09:24,240 Speaker 2: there's someone just posted an instagram of a guy watching 2541 02:09:24,320 --> 02:09:27,280 Speaker 2: Family Guy on his phone in a theater that was 2542 02:09:27,320 --> 02:09:31,440 Speaker 2: playing Avatar The Way of Water, with the text movie 2543 02:09:31,480 --> 02:09:32,040 Speaker 2: long a Hell. 2544 02:09:32,800 --> 02:09:35,000 Speaker 1: That's medium funny it was. 2545 02:09:34,960 --> 02:09:38,000 Speaker 2: And that one was actually reposted on Facebook pretty quickly thereafter, 2546 02:09:38,360 --> 02:09:42,120 Speaker 2: and that contributed to this massive combo of like x 2547 02:09:43,120 --> 02:09:46,440 Speaker 2: long or boring a Hell where people were like at 2548 02:09:46,560 --> 02:09:51,400 Speaker 2: funerals watching Family Guy or childbirths, like watching family ey 2549 02:09:51,440 --> 02:09:53,640 Speaker 2: clips on their phone and posting it saying like this 2550 02:09:53,720 --> 02:09:59,680 Speaker 2: funeral boring a hell. Like you know, eventually there's all. 2551 02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:03,680 Speaker 2: It turns back around and spreads to the wider Internet 2552 02:10:03,720 --> 02:10:06,240 Speaker 2: where people who get paid to write about this stuff, 2553 02:10:06,920 --> 02:10:10,280 Speaker 2: which if you were still doing that, congratulations on your 2554 02:10:10,280 --> 02:10:14,880 Speaker 2: golden parachute from Slate dot com. Ah. This whole phenom 2555 02:10:14,960 --> 02:10:20,560 Speaker 2: of overlapping multiple screens, over stimulating content, and microscopic attention 2556 02:10:20,600 --> 02:10:23,960 Speaker 2: spans was termed sludge content or what wed in the 2557 02:10:24,000 --> 02:10:26,240 Speaker 2: good old days, we call it posting. I think they 2558 02:10:26,240 --> 02:10:28,920 Speaker 2: still call it that, But it's this idea that like, 2559 02:10:29,000 --> 02:10:32,840 Speaker 2: there's so much low grade content circulating on social media 2560 02:10:33,120 --> 02:10:38,000 Speaker 2: and any screen that by like combining as much of 2561 02:10:38,040 --> 02:10:41,000 Speaker 2: it as you can into one thing, you're creating new 2562 02:10:41,120 --> 02:10:44,200 Speaker 2: sludge content. So you'll see these like videos where people 2563 02:10:44,200 --> 02:10:48,919 Speaker 2: have overlaid like multiple different clips from different shows or movies, 2564 02:10:49,320 --> 02:10:52,040 Speaker 2: something else is going on in the background, and then 2565 02:10:52,040 --> 02:10:54,440 Speaker 2: a bunch of people wrote these thin pieces about why 2566 02:10:54,440 --> 02:10:57,040 Speaker 2: it was bad. But this is kind of insightful, and 2567 02:10:57,080 --> 02:11:01,080 Speaker 2: this is what I think is interesting. MacFarlane, Seth Creed 2568 02:11:01,120 --> 02:11:03,600 Speaker 2: and Rich Apple were doing that La Times group interview 2569 02:11:03,600 --> 02:11:06,680 Speaker 2: about the show, and they were asked about the TikTok popularity, 2570 02:11:07,040 --> 02:11:09,920 Speaker 2: and McFarlane said, it almost seems as if the show 2571 02:11:10,040 --> 02:11:13,200 Speaker 2: was made for TikTok, the cutaways that were in some 2572 02:11:13,320 --> 02:11:16,320 Speaker 2: cases maligned, and then he says, but these are the 2573 02:11:16,320 --> 02:11:18,640 Speaker 2: hardest things to do, These are the hardest things to write. 2574 02:11:18,680 --> 02:11:21,920 Speaker 2: To go in and essentially write a Gary Larson farside panel, 2575 02:11:22,080 --> 02:11:24,280 Speaker 2: how many times a day that had to have a beginning, middle, 2576 02:11:24,320 --> 02:11:26,879 Speaker 2: and end in the space of anywhere from three seconds 2577 02:11:26,920 --> 02:11:29,480 Speaker 2: to fifteen to twenty seconds, and that was something we 2578 02:11:29,480 --> 02:11:31,959 Speaker 2: were doing in nineteen ninety nine, in the early two thousands. 2579 02:11:32,400 --> 02:11:35,040 Speaker 2: Now they just fit in like a glove. I think 2580 02:11:35,120 --> 02:11:37,680 Speaker 2: in many ways, TikTok validated the structure of the show, 2581 02:11:38,800 --> 02:11:41,320 Speaker 2: which again leads me to believe he is some kind 2582 02:11:41,360 --> 02:11:44,200 Speaker 2: of He's like from the future or something man, because 2583 02:11:44,200 --> 02:11:47,880 Speaker 2: that makes so much sense to me that like stuff 2584 02:11:47,880 --> 02:11:51,840 Speaker 2: that they like, ADHD, cutaway gag, random stuff that they 2585 02:11:51,880 --> 02:11:56,480 Speaker 2: were constantly being shown basically predicted modern social media. 2586 02:11:56,720 --> 02:12:00,920 Speaker 1: I mean, here's something that I don't necessarily I really believe, 2587 02:12:01,000 --> 02:12:03,120 Speaker 1: and I haven't thought enough about it to really make 2588 02:12:03,160 --> 02:12:03,600 Speaker 1: this client. 2589 02:12:03,680 --> 02:12:07,200 Speaker 2: But how much what we do on this show, maybe how. 2590 02:12:07,160 --> 02:12:10,280 Speaker 1: Much of it is that Family Guy's humor and structure 2591 02:12:10,320 --> 02:12:15,760 Speaker 1: of those cutaway jokes just primed people's brains to create 2592 02:12:15,840 --> 02:12:18,440 Speaker 1: content in that way, and that led those sort of 2593 02:12:18,480 --> 02:12:22,440 Speaker 1: short form video platforms to gain popularity. 2594 02:12:22,600 --> 02:12:25,040 Speaker 2: I think a lot of these kids were solely coming 2595 02:12:25,080 --> 02:12:28,880 Speaker 2: at this like they discovered Family Guy. I'm not I 2596 02:12:28,920 --> 02:12:30,920 Speaker 2: obviously don't know. I haven't interviewed any of them. 2597 02:12:30,960 --> 02:12:32,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, the courts won't let you. 2598 02:12:34,000 --> 02:12:37,000 Speaker 2: Also good, you know. The novelty was that it was 2599 02:12:37,040 --> 02:12:40,360 Speaker 2: like an old animated show that like they probably were 2600 02:12:40,400 --> 02:12:43,800 Speaker 2: not that familiar with that suddenly became this vehicle for 2601 02:12:43,880 --> 02:12:46,560 Speaker 2: all of this extraneous, weird content that they could do. 2602 02:12:47,320 --> 02:12:50,080 Speaker 2: I don't know. I, like I said earlier, like thinking 2603 02:12:50,080 --> 02:12:54,000 Speaker 2: about this and putting credence in some of the things 2604 02:12:54,040 --> 02:12:56,520 Speaker 2: that he said about it, I'm really like he may 2605 02:12:56,600 --> 02:13:00,680 Speaker 2: have predicted like the entirety of post nine to eleven 2606 02:13:00,680 --> 02:13:06,880 Speaker 2: culture in a bad way. I want to stress all 2607 02:13:06,960 --> 02:13:08,560 Speaker 2: right now I'm losing my voice, so we gotta wrap 2608 02:13:08,560 --> 02:13:10,640 Speaker 2: this up because I have I do have an impression 2609 02:13:10,680 --> 02:13:12,160 Speaker 2: I want to do for you, Okay. 2610 02:13:12,560 --> 02:13:15,320 Speaker 1: Family Guy was the cornerstone from which the Seth MacFarlane 2611 02:13:15,320 --> 02:13:19,000 Speaker 1: empire was launched. He created American Dad off the successive 2612 02:13:19,040 --> 02:13:21,600 Speaker 1: Family Guy spun off The Cleveland Show, and used a 2613 02:13:21,680 --> 02:13:25,240 Speaker 1: barely modified version of Peter Griffin's voice as the surprisingly 2614 02:13:25,280 --> 02:13:28,360 Speaker 1: successful Mark Wohlberg Because a foul mouth and a debauch 2615 02:13:28,400 --> 02:13:32,720 Speaker 1: Teddy Bear movie. Ted McFarlane also used the show's success 2616 02:13:32,760 --> 02:13:35,840 Speaker 1: as a springboard for his own musical aspirations, singing big 2617 02:13:35,880 --> 02:13:40,800 Speaker 1: band cruider music, hell yeah, which you know who among us? 2618 02:13:40,840 --> 02:13:42,480 Speaker 2: Really? Yeah? Honestly. 2619 02:13:43,120 --> 02:13:45,280 Speaker 1: The site Fast Company did some quick back of the 2620 02:13:45,360 --> 02:13:47,960 Speaker 1: Napkin math of McFarland's Empire in two thousand and eight 2621 02:13:48,280 --> 02:13:50,880 Speaker 1: and estimated it was worth or at least has generated 2622 02:13:50,960 --> 02:13:54,800 Speaker 1: about two billion dollars. That's billion with a bee. And 2623 02:13:54,840 --> 02:13:58,080 Speaker 1: this was before Ted in its sequel and apparently prequel 2624 02:13:58,160 --> 02:14:00,120 Speaker 1: streaming show launched that year. 2625 02:14:00,280 --> 02:14:01,360 Speaker 2: Now it came out last year. 2626 02:14:01,440 --> 02:14:02,520 Speaker 1: Oh came out last year? 2627 02:14:02,720 --> 02:14:02,960 Speaker 2: Yeah? 2628 02:14:03,000 --> 02:14:03,520 Speaker 1: Oh wow? 2629 02:14:03,600 --> 02:14:06,320 Speaker 2: Okay, so Ted still has legs. Who knew? 2630 02:14:06,560 --> 02:14:07,000 Speaker 1: I didn't? 2631 02:14:07,680 --> 02:14:14,480 Speaker 2: I didn't. Good straight man answer to that. In the 2632 02:14:14,600 --> 02:14:17,040 Speaker 2: La Times piece that I mentioned, McFarlane, who is now 2633 02:14:17,080 --> 02:14:19,080 Speaker 2: only a voice actor on the show, as I mentioned, 2634 02:14:19,320 --> 02:14:22,879 Speaker 2: was questioned about how long the show would continue. He answered, 2635 02:14:23,200 --> 02:14:25,400 Speaker 2: at this point, I don't see a good reason to stop. 2636 02:14:25,800 --> 02:14:28,240 Speaker 2: People still love it makes people happy, and it funds 2637 02:14:28,240 --> 02:14:30,640 Speaker 2: some good causes. It's a lot of extraneous cash that 2638 02:14:30,720 --> 02:14:32,680 Speaker 2: you can donate to Rainforest Trust, and you can still 2639 02:14:32,720 --> 02:14:34,680 Speaker 2: go out to dinner that night. There was a time 2640 02:14:34,680 --> 02:14:36,880 Speaker 2: when I thought it's time to wrap it up. At 2641 02:14:36,880 --> 02:14:39,920 Speaker 2: this point, we've reached escape velocity. I don't know that 2642 02:14:39,920 --> 02:14:41,800 Speaker 2: there's any reason to stop at this point unless people 2643 02:14:41,840 --> 02:14:44,000 Speaker 2: get sick of it, unless the numbers show that people 2644 02:14:44,000 --> 02:14:46,960 Speaker 2: are just we don't care about family Guy anymore. But 2645 02:14:47,040 --> 02:14:48,120 Speaker 2: that hasn't happened yet. 2646 02:14:48,680 --> 02:14:52,600 Speaker 1: Oh souls take on his creation, which honestly kind of 2647 02:14:52,600 --> 02:14:53,360 Speaker 1: seems about right. 2648 02:14:53,840 --> 02:14:57,760 Speaker 2: Well, I got a questioned for you, Jordan, Yes, how you? 2649 02:14:58,560 --> 02:15:00,400 Speaker 2: How you coming on? That podcast? Will going on for 2650 02:15:00,440 --> 02:15:04,480 Speaker 2: next week? Hmm? Got a couple of got a couple 2651 02:15:04,520 --> 02:15:05,200 Speaker 2: of pages and a. 2652 02:15:05,240 --> 02:15:08,760 Speaker 3: Google doc for mem nice little, nice little three act 2653 02:15:08,880 --> 02:15:11,520 Speaker 3: structure for a narrative podcast to do. Working on the 2654 02:15:12,400 --> 02:15:14,560 Speaker 3: the big podcast, maybe the Beach Boys. I know you've 2655 02:15:14,600 --> 02:15:18,240 Speaker 3: been working on that one for three years. Gotta we 2656 02:15:18,360 --> 02:15:22,320 Speaker 3: got a compelling main character protagonist, gonna be some obstacles 2657 02:15:22,320 --> 02:15:23,040 Speaker 3: for him to overcome. 2658 02:15:23,240 --> 02:15:26,120 Speaker 2: Whose story boring there? Been working on that for quite 2659 02:15:26,120 --> 02:15:28,680 Speaker 2: some time. We aren't talking about that three years ago. 2660 02:15:28,800 --> 02:15:30,360 Speaker 2: Been working on that whole the whole time. 2661 02:15:30,800 --> 02:15:34,040 Speaker 3: Nice little nonive beginning, middle, and then some friends become enemies, 2662 02:15:34,040 --> 02:15:34,400 Speaker 3: some memories. 2663 02:15:34,440 --> 02:15:36,480 Speaker 2: We got friends at the end of the day. Your 2664 02:15:36,480 --> 02:15:40,400 Speaker 2: main character is richer for the experience. Yeah, I look 2665 02:15:40,440 --> 02:15:41,480 Speaker 2: forward to listening to it. 2666 02:15:43,200 --> 02:15:45,600 Speaker 1: The best part was it got so high pitched that 2667 02:15:45,680 --> 02:15:47,040 Speaker 1: I could no longer hear it through that. 2668 02:15:49,560 --> 02:15:52,280 Speaker 2: This has been too much information. I'm Alex Hagel. 2669 02:15:52,000 --> 02:15:55,160 Speaker 1: And I'm Jordan run tag. We'll catch you next Time. 2670 02:16:00,200 --> 02:16:03,360 Speaker 2: Too Much Information was a production of iHeartRadio. The show's 2671 02:16:03,360 --> 02:16:06,200 Speaker 2: executive producers are Noel Brown and Jordan Runtog. 2672 02:16:06,360 --> 02:16:09,240 Speaker 1: The show's supervising producer is Michael Alder June. 2673 02:16:09,480 --> 02:16:12,600 Speaker 2: The show was researched, written and hosted by Jordan Runtog 2674 02:16:12,640 --> 02:16:13,800 Speaker 2: and Alex Heigel. 2675 02:16:13,560 --> 02:16:16,800 Speaker 1: With original music by Seth Applebaum and the Ghost Funk Orchestra. 2676 02:16:17,120 --> 02:16:19,160 Speaker 2: If you like what you heard, please subscribe and leave 2677 02:16:19,240 --> 02:16:19,720 Speaker 2: us a review. 2678 02:16:20,000 --> 02:16:24,280 Speaker 1: For more podcasts on iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 2679 02:16:24,520 --> 02:16:26,240 Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows