1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: Sports Radio. Eddie Johnson, the Sun's color analyst for Ballet 3 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:10,880 Speaker 1: Sports Arizona, co host of NBA Today on NBA Radio, 4 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 1: and as the kids like to say, when he played, 5 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:17,600 Speaker 1: he could fill it up. Eddie joins us on the program. Eddie, 6 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:20,480 Speaker 1: thanks for joining us. If you were gonna pinpoint one 7 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:23,239 Speaker 1: thing is the reason why the Clippers won? What would 8 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: you say? Yeah? Dan, first of all, thanks for having me. 9 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:29,160 Speaker 1: You know you You've been my hero in radio forever. 10 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:32,839 Speaker 1: So I'm not just saying that. Uh now, what was 11 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:35,839 Speaker 1: your first question? I got all this combobular happy to 12 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 1: be here? Uh you're you're on the golf course, Yes 13 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:45,479 Speaker 1: I am? Oh okay, um, all right, I won't take 14 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 1: it too much of your time. Then, if you're gonna 15 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 1: pinpoint well, what's the reason why the Clippers won this game? 16 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 1: All right? It was game three? Let mean you think 17 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 1: about it, Dan, It down too old. Historically that game 18 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 1: three is all wave, the toughest game. It's an embarrassing 19 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 1: the game. If they lose that game, they're not coming 20 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:07,039 Speaker 1: back into series. No team has ever come back from 21 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 1: three ZH. So you expected them to come out and 22 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 1: play like the life was on the line and that 23 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:14,959 Speaker 1: they had to do everything to win the game. So 24 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 1: the Suns didn't come out with the energy that that 25 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 1: match what the Clippers desperation was, and the Clippers won 26 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 1: the game. I never thought this would be a sweet 27 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:27,400 Speaker 1: although the Suns that won nine in a row, you 28 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 1: had to feel like they were going to run into 29 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 1: a mini wall, and that mini wall happened last night. 30 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:35,039 Speaker 1: Devin Booker playing with that mask on. I don't know 31 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 1: if you've ever played with a mask on, but guys 32 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:43,319 Speaker 1: will talk about it's just uncomfortable. And yes, so I'm 33 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 1: gonna guess that had something to do with a subpart performance. 34 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 1: But yeah, but how dare you bring that up right then? 35 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 1: Because you know, historically, you know people they're they're very 36 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 1: careful with guys that are very good at certain things. 37 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 1: For instance, Patrick Beverly is known as a tremendous defender. 38 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 1: And so after game one, did you hear any quotes 39 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 1: that Devin Booker wore out Patrick Beverly. He didn't hear 40 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 1: any quotes. All you heard was Devin Booker had a 41 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 1: great game. So Patrick Beverley's protected. And so now when Patrick, 42 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:20,800 Speaker 1: when Devin Booker struggled. Everybody says, oh, well, Patrick Beverley 43 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 1: stopped them, and then like, hold up, now, it doesn't 44 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 1: work that way. What about Devin Booker? Was just off? 45 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 1: Because Devin Booker faces intense defense every night. Every night, 46 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:37,239 Speaker 1: they're building their defense to stop him. There's nothing unusual. 47 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 1: He's just been off the last two games, and he 48 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 1: has to get better. Yes, I think the mass has 49 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:44,920 Speaker 1: presented a problem for him. But as always said about 50 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 1: offensive players, and I was an offensive player, nobody ever 51 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: stopped me. They made me work harder, but they didn't 52 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 1: stop me. I thought my offense was gonna become their defense. 53 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 1: And I think the Sons got a little lax last night. 54 00:02:57,280 --> 00:03:00,360 Speaker 1: I think Devin has to really find his cre is 55 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 1: better than he did in the first game, and they'll 56 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 1: be fine. But give the Clippers credit. I mean, we 57 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 1: know defensively they can turn it up as a team, 58 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:12,360 Speaker 1: and I thought they did. Their energy was there, and 59 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 1: Devin can't say woe is me? I mean, you know 60 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:17,639 Speaker 1: this thing with the masks, He's got to find a 61 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:20,079 Speaker 1: way to get over it. As Chris Paul got over 62 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 1: his shoulder in the first series against the Lakers. I mean, 63 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:25,839 Speaker 1: you just can't let that bother you. And I don't 64 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 1: think Devin is. I just think he has been off 65 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:31,360 Speaker 1: the last two games. Could be fatigued, could be you know, 66 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 1: just the left of the playoffs in its run. But 67 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 1: he'll be fine. I guarantee you he can't. I've never 68 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 1: seen him go three straight games struggle. I was also 69 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 1: wondering this prior to last night's game, do you bring 70 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 1: Chris Paul off the bench? Now? I know campaign tweaked 71 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 1: his ankle, but but I did like what he was 72 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 1: doing when he was in there, and I thought this 73 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 1: allowed Christie ease into the lineup. Do you think that 74 00:03:57,520 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 1: would have been a better way to go? Not that 75 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 1: you could have kept Chris on the bench, I'm guessing, 76 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 1: but right I understand, right, yeah, yeah, you know, it's 77 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 1: just difficult. I mean, look, he's all NBA. He's basically 78 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 1: the reason that lifts this team up to the level 79 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 1: it's been at. I think, if anything, Chris Paul would 80 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 1: have had to be the one to go to Monte 81 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 1: and say, hey, bring me off the bench, you know, 82 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 1: because I don't think Money would have done that. But yeah, 83 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 1: I mean eleven days off and look, I had COVID, 84 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 1: So I know what it can do to you. You 85 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 1: can't work out, you can't you know you did say 86 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:35,719 Speaker 1: don't exert yourself. So I know he's not in pristine shape. 87 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 1: You can see last night he was short on his 88 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 1: jump shot. The shots that he got were the shots 89 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 1: that he got against Devil. It wasn't their defense. I mean, 90 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 1: he and Devin Booker missed a lot of open shots, 91 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:49,040 Speaker 1: shots that they normally make. And yeah, I thought he 92 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:51,479 Speaker 1: was dragging a little bit and he'll be better in 93 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 1: game four, but yeah, the pace has to pick up. Dan, 94 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:57,599 Speaker 1: if anything, Campaign really has a great pace to his 95 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 1: game and that's why the combination he and Chris Paul 96 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:04,600 Speaker 1: are very good, and Chris has to push the ball. 97 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 1: I think early in game four. What do you what 98 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 1: do you see out of Paul George? You know, I've 99 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 1: been knowing Paul since he's seventeen years old. My son 100 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:17,480 Speaker 1: and he both went to Fresno State. I love him, 101 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 1: I've mentored him over the years. He's a tremendous young 102 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 1: man and I think people really look at him the 103 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 1: wrong way at times. He's an honest guy. He actually 104 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 1: says what's on his mind and he's extremely talented, and 105 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:37,480 Speaker 1: he's having fun being Batman. It's not easy being robbing, 106 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 1: and that's what he has been really in his last 107 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 1: two stops since he left Indiana. You know, Aldoe, he 108 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:47,719 Speaker 1: had got MVP consideration Oklumba City. He was still robbing 109 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 1: to Westbrook and he's robbing to Kauai. And when you're robbing, 110 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:55,359 Speaker 1: you you hesitate at times, you know, you feel more pressure. 111 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:58,480 Speaker 1: Now he's loose. I mean, he's the guy. He can 112 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 1: do everything, dribble it up, take shots, took twenty six 113 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 1: last night. Didn't worry about being all. I mean, if 114 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 1: he was robbing and then Kawhi was playing and Kawhi 115 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 1: was rolling and he was struggling, you might see hesitation 116 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:13,159 Speaker 1: in this game, as we've seen that with this duel. 117 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:16,040 Speaker 1: So I love Paul George. I think he's tremendous and 118 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 1: the Sons have to do some things stop him and 119 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 1: slow him down because he can be the difference in 120 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 1: the series, he said. He Johnson, The Sun's color analyst 121 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 1: for Ballet Sports Arizona, co host of NBA Today on 122 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 1: NBA Radio, and a former great score in the NBA. 123 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 1: You know you mentioned that about Batman and Robin. I 124 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 1: brought that up with Ben Simmons. I think Ben would 125 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:40,839 Speaker 1: be better elsewhere because he has played better, more comfortably. 126 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 1: When Joe l Embiid was out, he was a different player. 127 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 1: And yes, so I could see that as a reason 128 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:51,279 Speaker 1: why if I'm Ben that I do want to get out. 129 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:54,919 Speaker 1: Maybe I'm not gonna win anything anytime soon, but I 130 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 1: need to start over. I need to hit the reset 131 00:06:56,960 --> 00:07:00,360 Speaker 1: button for my career. Maybe he gets confident, maybe he 132 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 1: starts to get a little better shooting for him there, 133 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 1: But what do you think of that logic? He dropped 134 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 1: forty on Gobert with m beat out. Yeah, that's the 135 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 1: biggest example. Very aggressive offensively because he knows now it's 136 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 1: on his shoulders. You know, when mbat is there, he 137 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 1: defers to him rightly so, but he's uncomfortable in doing it. 138 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 1: It takes him out of rhythm. I totally agree with you. 139 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 1: He needs to get to a team where everything is 140 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 1: on his shoulders and then he's forced to do some 141 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 1: things that he doesn't like to do. I heard you 142 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 1: mentioned Scotty pipping, you know, in regards to he and KD. 143 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 1: And if you remember, Scotty was robbing to Jordan obviously, 144 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 1: and they won titles. But the one year that Scotty 145 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 1: was able to be batman, he made all leads and 146 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 1: really a fantom file away from maybe getting back to 147 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 1: the finals. And then I know you brought up the 148 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 1: Ku Koke situation. Well that's why Scotty was upset, because 149 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, Scotty went back to that thought 150 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 1: where when Orton was there, he never got that chance. 151 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 1: Now Jordan's gone and he's been batman all year. Field 152 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 1: wants to let Kuko take the shot, and it just 153 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 1: it hit him in a way that you know, but 154 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 1: that doesn't make sense because Mike was there when Paxon 155 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 1: hit the shot against the Suns, and Mike was there 156 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 1: when Steve Kerr hit a big shot against the Utube 157 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 1: exactly exactly, but it took him a quarter to finally 158 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 1: throw the ball to Paxon because Field kept telling him 159 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 1: to throw it, okay, and then he had to like 160 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 1: put Steve Kerr under under under a court pressure where 161 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 1: he kept asking him, you're gonna be ready, He's gonna 162 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 1: be ready to shoot before he gave it to him. Okay, No, 163 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 1: you're right, But that's Michael that we know we know 164 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 1: Mike's competitiveness there, But if I said, you could have 165 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:55,320 Speaker 1: Durant as a teammate or Pipping as a teammate for 166 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:58,440 Speaker 1: me into Vid for me, and and and this is 167 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 1: why I say this because to me, Magic is the 168 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 1: best ever. And I think when Lebron retires, I think 169 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:07,960 Speaker 1: Lebron will be And here's why, because you know me, Dan, 170 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:10,320 Speaker 1: what was I as a player? I was a guy 171 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 1: that dependent on dependent on my teammates. I mean, my 172 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 1: success was dependent on guys that got me open and 173 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:20,840 Speaker 1: guys that got me the ball. Well, Magic and Lebron 174 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 1: are two of the best ever at getting you the 175 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 1: ball and still getting there, whereas with Katie or with 176 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:31,440 Speaker 1: m J. I'm watching, just like Paxson and Kerr was watching. 177 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 1: So you know, we all have different eyesight in regards 178 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 1: to who we would like to play with, who we 179 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 1: think is the best. And for my money, I would 180 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 1: take Scotti because I know Scottie is going to involve 181 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 1: the entire team. And no disrespect to Kevin Durant, He's 182 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 1: an unbelievable basketball player man, and I love watching him. 183 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 1: But that's how I would view it. Do you think 184 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 1: Lebron can end up as the best player of all time. 185 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 1: I do, I actually do. I think he's got to 186 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 1: win another title or two to do it, but I do. 187 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 1: He's one. He's trumped him, and he's trumped everybody and 188 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 1: every record. I mean, he's got everything, longevity, records, he's 189 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:15,680 Speaker 1: the most one of the most unselfish players to ever played, 190 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:17,680 Speaker 1: and he might wind up be the all time leading 191 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 1: scored in his game and top five, top five. Isn't 192 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 1: that amazing? I don't care. Yea, the six and THO 193 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 1: is always going to be there as a shadow over him. 194 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 1: But Scottie pippin six and oh give me, it's a 195 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 1: team it's a team record. Give me your Michael Jordan 196 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 1: on the court story, the most tenacious dude I've ever 197 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:39,560 Speaker 1: encountered in my life. Is there a story though that does? 198 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:42,719 Speaker 1: Oh yes, Oh yes. We at Indiana Faces the year 199 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 1: that they were trying to they were trying to win 200 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 1: seventy three instead of seventy two. Well, we were playing 201 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:50,560 Speaker 1: him at the end of the year, and really nobody 202 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 1: really needed the game. It was just a game we 203 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 1: were playing. But I knew that they wanted to get 204 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 1: seventy three and it was a close game, and it 205 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 1: was in the fourth quarter and I think we were 206 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 1: up six and I was in the game and I 207 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:04,559 Speaker 1: looked at him, said, I guess you are not getting 208 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 1: seventy three. And he just looked at me and he 209 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 1: started chewing his gun real fast, and I'm like, okay. 210 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:16,200 Speaker 1: And for the next minute and a half he lost 211 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 1: his mind. I mean, it was like it was game seven. 212 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 1: And he fouled me at the end on a jumper 213 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 1: and they called a file hit me on the elbow 214 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 1: and I had two free throws to seal the victory. 215 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 1: And he was just mad and he was walking off 216 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 1: the court and he and I was like crossing path. 217 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 1: I said, man, what is wrong with you? He said, 218 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 1: just be careful what you act. It's great to catch 219 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:49,320 Speaker 1: up with you, Eddie, and thank you, thank you. Enjoy 220 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:51,960 Speaker 1: your round to golf there, all right, thank you very much. 221 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 1: Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan 222 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 1: Patrick Show week days at nine am Eastern six am 223 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 1: Pacific on Fox Sports Radio in the iHeart Radio w app. 224 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 1: Steve Palazzolo, Pro Football Focus, senior analyst, host of Pro 225 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 1: Football Focus, the NFL podcast. All right, give me context here, Steve, 226 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 1: of how you came up with the fifty best players 227 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 1: in the NFL. Yeah, the context behind it is essentially 228 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 1: all positions are created equal. Just for this exercise, we're 229 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:23,080 Speaker 1: not worried about positional values. You know, obviously if we were, 230 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:26,200 Speaker 1: it'd be all quarterbacks and that'd be it. So that's 231 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:29,200 Speaker 1: the first step. And then it's looking forward. It's looking 232 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:33,199 Speaker 1: to twenty twenty one, so it's taking not just last year, 233 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 1: but you know, multiple years of information and then saying, okay, 234 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:38,840 Speaker 1: who are the best players going forward based off everything 235 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 1: we know, and again, not worried too much about the 236 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 1: quarterback being the most valuable player on the field. Okay, 237 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:47,680 Speaker 1: what makes Aaron Donald number one on the list. He 238 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 1: just we grade every player on every play Dan, and 239 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 1: he is just dominant, you know, from a pass rushing standpoint, 240 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:55,560 Speaker 1: from a run defense standpoint, And it's been like that 241 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 1: for you know, since he entered the league. He's been 242 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:01,599 Speaker 1: the highest graded interior defensive lineman every year since his 243 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:04,840 Speaker 1: rookie season. And he just does it all. And it's 244 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 1: one of those things that shows up when he when 245 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 1: he plays eight hundred, nine hundred snaps, it shows up 246 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 1: more than more than just sack totals and tackle numbers. 247 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 1: He's just the most unblockable player that we've ever seen 248 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 1: really in the PFF ERA. Then yeah, Patrick Mahomes two, 249 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:24,440 Speaker 1: Travis Kelsey three, Quinton Nelson four, Davante Adams five, Khalil 250 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 1: mack Is six, Tom Brady seven, Bobby Wagner eight, George 251 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 1: Kittle nine, Aaron Rodgers ten. Um, I can't put Brady 252 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 1: that high. Wagner, I like, but you know, like Khalil 253 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:43,960 Speaker 1: Mack they're not playing in really meaningful games. Give me 254 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 1: your rational, give me your rational. Yeah. So with Brady, 255 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 1: you know, he was our number two graded quarterback last year. 256 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 1: Now it was behind Aaron Rodgers, but again we're taking 257 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:55,560 Speaker 1: body of work. So if you yeah, until Brady really 258 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 1: shows physical decline, he's our highest graded quarterback not only 259 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 1: you know, of the p F ERA, but of the 260 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 1: last four years, of the last five years. So we 261 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 1: gave Brady the nod there. With Wagner, it's really a 262 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 1: tough time for linebackers in the NFL. Offensive coordinators are 263 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 1: just attacking linebackers that everything that they they're spending right 264 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 1: now this entire offseason thinking of ways to make Bobby 265 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:17,679 Speaker 1: Wagner and other linebackers lives are miserable, but Wagner has 266 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 1: been the clear top linebacker in the league since Luke 267 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 1: Keikley retired, and a guy like Khalil Mack is similar 268 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 1: to Aaron Donald. It's just the down to down consistency. 269 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 1: The sack totals might fluctuate a little bit, but as 270 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 1: far as just winning one on ones and being a 271 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 1: force in the run game, that's where Khalil max shines 272 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 1: every year. Give me your biggest surprise, it's Bryce Callahan. 273 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 1: Does anybody know? Bryce Callahan here, the cornerback for the 274 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 1: Denver Broncos. Look so early pf Era. We did this 275 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 1: back and we started this in two thousand and eight, 276 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 1: and Chris Harris of the Broncos was like the first 277 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 1: guy where we kept grading him well, grading him well, 278 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 1: and people started to catch on, maybe this guy's pretty good. 279 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 1: Bryce Callahan could be that next guy. He has graded 280 00:14:56,680 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 1: well with the Chicago Bears, with the Denver Broncos. He's 281 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 1: done it in the lot, he's done it outside. He's 282 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 1: only five nine, one eighty eight, he shouldn't be that good, 283 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 1: but with great production and he's just been really productive 284 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 1: every time he's been on the field. I the one 285 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 1: that stood out more than anything else is Josh Allen 286 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 1: is forty on this list, and I don't think anybody 287 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 1: was more valuable to their team last year than Josh 288 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 1: Allen was. What am I nice? He was fantastic last year. Again, 289 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 1: I think you just have to take the entire body 290 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 1: of work. So if you look at Josh Allen, he 291 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 1: was average to below average his first two years. Last year, 292 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 1: it was a legitimate breakout season. So the fact that 293 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 1: he's even on the list after being a below average quarterback, 294 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 1: probably the twenty eighth thirtieth best quarterback his first two 295 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 1: years in the league. I mean, I think that's just 296 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 1: a testament to how much he's grown in the short area, 297 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 1: intermediate area. His accuracy, decision making has gotten better. So, look, 298 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 1: Allen was fantastic last year. I just think it's let's 299 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 1: see it for one more year. You know, is he 300 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 1: going to regress a little bit or is he there? 301 00:15:56,920 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 1: Is he an official superstar? And if he is, he'll 302 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 1: be in that top ten to twenty range probably next year. 303 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 1: You got Dak Prescott at fifty. That is that higher 304 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 1: than you thought, lower than you thought. Honestly, I think 305 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 1: it was it was close between Dak between Lamar Jackson. 306 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 1: If another quarterback didn't land on the list, I wouldn't 307 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 1: have been all that upset. I think there's I think 308 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 1: there's a cutoff between the Mahomes, Brady's Rogers and Russell 309 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 1: Wilson's of the world, and then again Josh Allen kind 310 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 1: of in that gray area. I think it is a 311 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 1: big year for Lamar to maybe you know, get back 312 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 1: to that MVP caliber itself. But with Dak, I think 313 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 1: what we've seen is he's played when he's been on 314 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 1: the field the last two years, the best football of 315 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 1: his career. Trending in the right direction. I think we 316 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 1: saw how valuable he was for the Cowboys last year 317 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 1: after he went down. So a lot of things for 318 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 1: Dak pointing toward him moving in the right direction to 319 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 1: be that top seven or eight quarterback moving forward. And 320 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 1: this is based on a body of work. Yeah, So 321 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 1: if it was just based off of last year, how 322 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 1: would this how different would this list be? Yeah, And 323 00:16:57,760 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 1: so we do a list, you know, at the end 324 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 1: of the season is just looking back. It's like, here's 325 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 1: the we do a top one on one and it's 326 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:06,119 Speaker 1: just the two twenty twenty season, Josh Allen would be 327 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:08,200 Speaker 1: much higher, you know, so Dak obviously wouldn't be on 328 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:10,879 Speaker 1: the list. He only played the six games, so um, 329 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 1: yeah it multiple year sample sizes do matter right in 330 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:17,639 Speaker 1: the way a guy's trending or um, but also not 331 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:20,160 Speaker 1: overweighing too much of one year. So I think there's 332 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 1: a lot of guys on this list where it's like, hey, 333 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 1: just prove it for one more year and then you'll, 334 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:26,119 Speaker 1: you know, you might be moving up the list for 335 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 1: next year. Yeah, you know, I love Quinton Nelson and 336 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:34,159 Speaker 1: uh I thought that would have been enough for Andrew 337 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:37,680 Speaker 1: Luck to stay. But but it feels like Quinton Nelson's 338 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 1: going to the Hall of Fame. Yeah. He's funny because 339 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:42,359 Speaker 1: as soon as he came out, you know, so because 340 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 1: we do, you know, some analytics and we grade tape. 341 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:47,639 Speaker 1: You know, we we have a little battles with the 342 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:50,120 Speaker 1: offensive line community that thinks, you know, maybe you don't 343 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:52,919 Speaker 1: know exactly what the offensive line's doing. Quinton Nelson's the 344 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:55,880 Speaker 1: one who kind of like brings us together the offensive line. 345 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 1: Durus love him, the analytics love him. He grades well, 346 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:02,880 Speaker 1: he finished his plays. He was outstanding at Notre Dame. 347 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 1: Yeah he is. He is on a Hall of Fame track. 348 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 1: He's been the highest graded guard since entering the league 349 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 1: in his three years. If we looked at this right 350 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 1: now of guys who are Hall of famers right now, 351 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:12,920 Speaker 1: is Aaron Donald a hall of Famer? Yes? Or no? 352 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 1: Right now? Yes? Absolutely? Patrick Mahomes, Yes he will be. 353 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:22,200 Speaker 1: No right now, oh, right now. I think Mahomes is already. Yeah, 354 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 1: he's been a star. I'd say no. Travis Kelsey, I 355 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:30,640 Speaker 1: think Kelsey is okay. Quentin Neilson, you can't say now 356 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 1: for only three years for a guard, I would say 357 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:37,119 Speaker 1: no right now, okay. Davante Adams, I'd say no right now. 358 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 1: There's too many good receivers in this era. Khalil Mack 359 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 1: I think Mac is. Yeah, we've got big body of work. 360 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:49,640 Speaker 1: Bobby Wagner, Yes, him and Keekley are the two best 361 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:56,440 Speaker 1: linebackers of their era. Zack Martin not yet. No. DeAndre Hopkins, 362 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 1: oh man, all the all the receivers, tough man. There's 363 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:03,200 Speaker 1: so many productive receivers, right, how do you separate those? 364 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 1: I don't know if Hopkins actually is now are we 365 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:09,680 Speaker 1: using opinions or calculations when you're coming up with these 366 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:12,359 Speaker 1: with these lists. Yeah, so it's based off again we 367 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:14,200 Speaker 1: grade every player, and every player we put a grade 368 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:16,440 Speaker 1: out there. We can look at one year grades, multi 369 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 1: year grades. It's it's not automated, um, but it's using 370 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 1: that as a foundation, and then there's a little bit 371 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 1: of intelligence that goes into you know, how were guys used, 372 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 1: how often have they been on the field. So it's 373 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 1: based off PF grades with a little bit of our 374 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:35,200 Speaker 1: own intelligence over the top. When putting the list together, 375 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 1: give me your top three most challenged teams right now, Well, 376 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:41,960 Speaker 1: the Bucks and Chiefs definitely have to be up there, 377 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 1: and then the Cleveland Browns are up there. When you 378 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:49,480 Speaker 1: talk about just pure roster management that Cleveland Browns have 379 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 1: done incredible work. Offensive lines, outstanding, good group of playmakers. 380 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 1: They've they've rebuilt that secondary which which really hurt them 381 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:59,919 Speaker 1: last year. The Browns have very few weaknesses as a raw. 382 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 1: The Bucks are clearly in their own realm as far 383 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 1: as they don't have any weaknesses. They're running it back 384 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 1: from the Super Bowl year. The Chiefs are a little 385 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:10,719 Speaker 1: top heavy with their stars of course with Mahomes, Kelsey 386 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:13,439 Speaker 1: and Tyreek Hill, and but the Browns are one of 387 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:16,159 Speaker 1: those teams that's just so good all around and one 388 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 1: of the most talented in the NFL. The least talented 389 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 1: team in the NFL is I think the well the Texans, 390 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 1: the Houston Texans Detroit Lions are battling for that. They're 391 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:28,880 Speaker 1: both rebuilding. They should trade Deshaun Watson if they can, 392 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 1: based off all the moves they made this offseason. Yes, 393 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:33,679 Speaker 1: I mean the Texans are two years removed from being 394 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 1: a playoff team. Last year they fell apart because the 395 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 1: defense was horrible, and yes they should definitely. They're in 396 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:42,600 Speaker 1: full rebuild mode in Houston and they signed about you know, 397 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 1: twenty you know, mid tier type of free agents this offseason, 398 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 1: so it looks like more of an expansion team in 399 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 1: Houston right now. Where do you label rank Kirk Cousins. 400 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:59,159 Speaker 1: I rank a lot of quarterbacks in that middle tier, 401 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 1: and it's it's kind of like the old like number 402 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 1: three starter in baseball. You know, a guy that eats 403 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 1: up a lot of innings and one year you can 404 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:08,240 Speaker 1: win fifteen games, another year you can win ten. I 405 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 1: think with Cousins and a lot of the mid tier quarterbacks, 406 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 1: when you get that good group of receivers. When you 407 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 1: get that good offensive line, they'll produce. And Cousins has 408 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 1: always had a nice group of receivers, so he'll produce 409 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 1: at a top ten type of level statistically. But I 410 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:23,120 Speaker 1: don't think you're asking Kirk Cousins to go and carry 411 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:25,720 Speaker 1: your team like you are some of those top tier quarterbacks. 412 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:27,440 Speaker 1: So he's in that middle tier like I think maybe 413 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 1: ten to twelve fifteen other quarterbacks are. Being a former 414 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 1: minor league pitcher, I'm curious what you think of spider 415 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:38,399 Speaker 1: tack and all of the substances. The how did you cheat? 416 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:40,199 Speaker 1: Is what I want to know, Steve, when you were 417 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:42,680 Speaker 1: in the minor leagues, I did not cheat enough because 418 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 1: I didn't get it out of the miners Dan. I mean, 419 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 1: I hated having any sticky substances on my fingers. I 420 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:49,639 Speaker 1: hated it. I didn't really. I thought it was just 421 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:51,720 Speaker 1: a little bit of help for grip that guys used 422 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:53,679 Speaker 1: it for, and then I didn't realize it was an 423 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:55,960 Speaker 1: increase in spin rates and all that stuff. So I 424 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 1: consider it a missed opportunity. A good scuffed ball was 425 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 1: nice though for me because it was good for my splitter. 426 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:03,240 Speaker 1: You get a little crazy movement on that if you 427 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:04,960 Speaker 1: get a nice scuffed ball, not that I ever did 428 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:08,639 Speaker 1: that intention but who scuffs it. It's more of a 429 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 1: luck thing, like if I wanted to keep you know, 430 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 1: you throw a little sandpaper in there. But every now 431 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:14,440 Speaker 1: and again the umpire keeps a scuffed ball in there 432 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:15,720 Speaker 1: and you get it and you just put it in 433 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 1: the right spot to get that extra movement. But a 434 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:22,120 Speaker 1: catcher can help you. Your third basement could help you, right, Yeah, yeah, 435 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 1: you get some of that. Again, I never I never 436 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:26,639 Speaker 1: intentionally did that, which is why I never made it. 437 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:28,720 Speaker 1: But yeah, if if you want a scuff, you just 438 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 1: you talk to the right people. The statute of limitations 439 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:33,880 Speaker 1: is up. Steve. You're good like you know, you can 440 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 1: tell us how you were cheating. True, true, not enough again, 441 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:40,160 Speaker 1: apparently I didn't man the spider talk stuff I want 442 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 1: to go throw right now, I know. I know. Hey, 443 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:45,479 Speaker 1: great to talk to you again. Thanks for joining us. 444 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:48,240 Speaker 1: We love the work that Pro Football Focus does. Thanks Steve, 445 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:51,119 Speaker 1: Thank you Dan. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports 446 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:53,919 Speaker 1: talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our shows 447 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:57,479 Speaker 1: at Fox sports Radio dot com and within the iHeart 448 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:01,480 Speaker 1: Radio app. Search f SR to listen. 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Let's 458 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 1: sen to the Fifth Hour with Ben Mallow or the 459 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:32,640 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast or wherever you get your podcast. 460 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:37,199 Speaker 1: The Limerick Off between Todd Fritz and Christian from Maine, 461 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:41,440 Speaker 1: who challenged Todd. I say, we get this out of 462 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 1: the way. I mean, let's do this now. Let's do 463 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:47,160 Speaker 1: this now, and then we'll decide who has the better 464 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:51,679 Speaker 1: limerick Now. The topic was Scottie Pippen versus Kevin Durant. 465 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,359 Speaker 1: I'm gonna have Christian from Main go first because he 466 00:23:56,520 --> 00:24:01,639 Speaker 1: challenged Todd Fritz for a limerick off and we will 467 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 1: decide who wins the Limerick off. And the objective is 468 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 1: going to be cleverness humor. What do you guys want 469 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:12,879 Speaker 1: to factor in here with me? And we might not 470 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:17,440 Speaker 1: have either. I mean, that's it. There's a real, real chance, 471 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:21,119 Speaker 1: real possibility. Mclem His accuracy of rhyming important because we 472 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 1: know Todd has a history of miss rhyming. Sausage off. 473 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:30,120 Speaker 1: How about we just decide in general who put in 474 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:33,440 Speaker 1: who put in the best effort, who's more entertaining. How's 475 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 1: that just entertaining? All right, Christian from Maine. And there's 476 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:39,399 Speaker 1: a shaller shame attached to this. I'm going to let 477 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:43,160 Speaker 1: you go first with your limerick. All right, well, thank you, Dan, 478 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:47,719 Speaker 1: all right, Okay, Scottie Pippen was a baller of sort 479 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,640 Speaker 1: who comes off as a whiney, poor sport. He went 480 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:54,399 Speaker 1: off on a rant about Kevin Durant, who found on 481 00:24:54,440 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 1: Twitter far more than the chords. Okay, Todd, he's got 482 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:04,919 Speaker 1: rings on many a finger. He's pippin comments to Linger. Now, 483 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,639 Speaker 1: Duran shouldn't be Sobbin who cares about the opinion of 484 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 1: Robin A sidekick? Michael Jordan Clinger? Oh WHOA, Yes, I'd 485 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,720 Speaker 1: like to vote first. I thought, Uh, Christian Maine did 486 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:21,240 Speaker 1: a nice job. I thought Fritzie weaving and Robin caused 487 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 1: a nice reaction in the room and give him a 488 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:26,439 Speaker 1: big w yep. I'm I'm gonna say Todd fritz is 489 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:33,680 Speaker 1: the winner there, Oh, Christian, if you know the show, 490 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:37,640 Speaker 1: you know we don't like Todd. McLevin. I think Todd 491 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 1: is the Atlanta Hawks at the situation, Christ's Milwaukee Bucks. 492 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:46,200 Speaker 1: Obviously the Bucks are a better team the Hawks. Game one, 493 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 1: got it all right, Seaton O'Connor. I feel like we 494 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 1: need a tiebreaker, Limerick. Actually Todd does have another Okay, Um, 495 00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 1: Todd's gonna go first on this one. Man and Scottie 496 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 1: pipping his whack. His feelings for others show lack, especially 497 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,679 Speaker 1: towards sensitive kd come on thirty three, But Durant, do 498 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 1: you have to clap back aggressive delivery man Fritzie? And 499 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:16,480 Speaker 1: that's why you dropped the mic? Okay, Christian, Oh, a 500 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 1: baller named PG thirteen came up digging a win for 501 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 1: his team. But if you go by the books, they 502 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,200 Speaker 1: won't get off the hook. History shows that they'll run 503 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:29,879 Speaker 1: out of steam, all right, A little jab at the Clippers. 504 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:36,960 Speaker 1: The topic was Kadi versus so Christian. Todd's up to nothing. Yeah. 505 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,160 Speaker 1: He he closed you out and he closed you out there. 506 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,919 Speaker 1: So well, we'll wait for the video. Christian, whatever you 507 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 1: choose with your shower of shame, all right. Well I'll 508 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 1: tell you what I'll do is the state drink of 509 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:53,040 Speaker 1: Maine is moxie, So I'll do a shower of shame 510 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 1: and moxie. All right. Well, thank you, thank you Christian 511 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,439 Speaker 1: for playing along. Yes, I'm proud of the Toddler. He 512 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:03,680 Speaker 1: really stepped up, really did Yes, Cton, I like you, 513 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:06,440 Speaker 1: I appreciate I like your lime. I was caught, I 514 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:08,360 Speaker 1: was extra confident, and I gave it a little extra 515 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 1: cell in the delivery. No, I could town. You went 516 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,000 Speaker 1: after it, and I appreciate it. Was like a mini 517 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 1: Limerick rap battle or something. This was eight miles. Umm Spaghetti, Mom, 518 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:20,720 Speaker 1: Spaghetti