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Speaker 2: What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the sticks. DJ.

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Speaker 1: Bucky back with you, and let's just get right to it.

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Speaker 1: We're joined by our good buddy. We're going to go

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Speaker 1: Executive director of the recent Senior Bowl, Jim. I want

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Speaker 1: to make sure I get the title right. I don't

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Speaker 3: We don't need any titles, but yes, that's the title

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Speaker 1: Jim Naggi joining us here. Talk about some Senior Bowl

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Speaker 1: stuff next. We're going to get into that. We're going

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Speaker 1: to you know, there's tons.

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Speaker 1: It's going to be a unique year, a new really

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Speaker 1: yesterday on the show, Bucky and I talked about this

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Speaker 1: and I'll kind of fill you in here. The backstory

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Speaker 2: Right by their players right now. They're trying to because again,

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Speaker 4: Look, man, it's a really crazy time because between the

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Speaker 3: So again, like with there's actual roster management element to

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Speaker 2: So if you're a team and you're you're a quarterback needy, you're.

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Speaker 2: So I think there's gonna be a huge run.

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Speaker 3: separation before and after the catch, and if they can

440
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Speaker 3: do that, if they can create space for themselves, then

441
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Speaker 3: they can make plays. And so that's what we're focused on.

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Speaker 3: And you know, last year we did have a lot

443
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Speaker 3: of litler guys, the Tanks and Jayden, a lot of

444
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Speaker 3: a lot of slot type players.

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Speaker 2: In this year, there won't be as many. I think

446
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Speaker 2: it's going to be more big body guys.

447
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Speaker 3: It's just every year is kind of different, you know,

448
00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:01,080
Speaker 3: like Xavier Leggett from South Carolina. It you know, might

449
00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:03,359
Speaker 3: be the best high weight speed receiver in the draft

450
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Speaker 3: when it's all said and done. I mean mid two

451
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Speaker 3: twenties running four to three, So he'll be a fun one.

452
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Speaker 3: But I think it's going to be overall like a

453
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Speaker 3: bigger size group this year.

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Speaker 1: But real quick, real quick on that buck, real quick.

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Speaker 1: So if you though, Jim at the end of the week,

456
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Speaker 1: I know you guys go through after it's over, when

457
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Speaker 1: you have a chance to decompress, you guys go back

458
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Speaker 1: and watch your own tape. You go back through all

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Speaker 1: your own data and information. Have you been able to

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Speaker 1: find anything that's that's been an indicator during your week

461
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Speaker 1: from studying your guys during that week. That's that's that's

462
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Speaker 1: led like to the you know, you go back to

463
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Speaker 1: the Cooper Cups obviously, but you know Pouka last year,

464
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Speaker 1: all the guys you just mentioned Jayden Reed that had

465
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Speaker 1: so much success and that could go on and on

466
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Speaker 1: and on over the last five years. I was just

467
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Speaker 1: curious if in your own self, Scout, if you've seen

468
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Speaker 1: anything and maybe in the data I know you talk

469
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Speaker 1: about just separation and maybe at the line of scrimmage

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Speaker 1: at the top of routes. Is there anything else that

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Speaker 1: we're missing.

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Speaker 3: Outside of the data DJ, I'll say this the guys

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Speaker 3: that transition, and it's really goes across every position, but

474
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Speaker 3: at receivers the.

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Speaker 2: Guys that we've had down.

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Speaker 3: Here that are mature and have come down like with

477
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Speaker 3: a business like mindset.

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Speaker 2: It's funny, there's a different approach for all these guys.

479
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Speaker 3: And uh, when I say business mindset like even that

480
00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:16,560
Speaker 3: even that even goes back to Deebo Samuel, Like Debo

481
00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:20,119
Speaker 3: wasn't really engaging during the week because he was so

482
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Speaker 3: fricking focused on what he had to do, like this

483
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Speaker 3: was this was a this was a job interview.

484
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Speaker 2: It is for all these guys, not all of them

485
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Speaker 2: treated as seriously.

486
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Speaker 3: Like that, but Debo certainly did. Man, So I always

487
00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:34,760
Speaker 3: like to be tuned in on which which guys really

488
00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:37,600
Speaker 3: feel like they're here for business and they usually have

489
00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:40,960
Speaker 3: the best week regardless of position. But but really with

490
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Speaker 3: the whiteouts, man, some of the whiteouts, like last year

491
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Speaker 3: Jayden Reid was here to prove himself, you know, like.

492
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Speaker 2: He felt like he was flying under radars.

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Speaker 3: Same thing with Tank, like I had a talk with

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Speaker 3: Tank when he got here, and he talked about, yeah, everyone,

495
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Speaker 3: you know, everyone down one hundred and sixty five pounds,

496
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Speaker 3: and people are going to find reasons to to you know,

497
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Speaker 3: to knock me. So it's guy, it's guys that come

498
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Speaker 3: down to the chip and just want to prove it

499
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Speaker 3: to me. That's that's more than anything data driven, you know,

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Speaker 3: data driven.

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Speaker 1: So I love that.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 4: It's funny you talk about the edginess, right, and one

504
00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:13,640
Speaker 4: position that always has guys with a little edge, little

505
00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:16,320
Speaker 4: chip on the shoulder are the dbs. This year's class

506
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Speaker 4: we talked about uh DJ and I talked earlier year

507
00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:22,040
Speaker 4: about the little guys on offense given problem. So normally

508
00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:24,680
Speaker 4: it's always a check, check, make move when it comes

509
00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:28,000
Speaker 4: to chess and defensive back. So what are you seeing

510
00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:31,040
Speaker 4: from the defense back class? Big guys, little guys, skill guys.

511
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Speaker 4: What are we looking at?

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Speaker 2: More more nickels opposite the receivers?

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Speaker 3: You know, I said this year the receiver group will

514
00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:38,359
Speaker 3: be a little bigger, a lot of a lot of

515
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Speaker 3: really strong nickel players.

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Speaker 2: I get.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure you guys watch the games over the weekend.

518
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Speaker 3: Mikey Santas Drill from Michigan play. Yeah, really fun player,

519
00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:49,359
Speaker 3: you know, former receiver, just a just a baller. You

520
00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:52,680
Speaker 3: throw that baller label on a guy usually usually matters,

521
00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:55,000
Speaker 3: you know, He's fun to watch. Kind of reminds me

522
00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:57,960
Speaker 3: of Jalen Petrie just in his just in his urgency

523
00:21:58,080 --> 00:21:59,520
Speaker 3: and the way he plays the game. Not the same

524
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Speaker 3: skill set, you know, Jaalen is obviously a safety.

525
00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:03,720
Speaker 2: But uh but yeah, a lot.

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Speaker 3: Of nickel sized guys, but really good, really good football players.

527
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Speaker 3: So it's going to be a deep group and we've

528
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Speaker 3: got some We've got some juniors committed in the in

529
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Speaker 3: the secondary right now that are gonna be big name

530
00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:15,680
Speaker 3: guys that everyone's going to be excited about. We obviously

531
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Speaker 3: can't can't do anything with those guys until they officially declare.

532
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Speaker 2: But I really like this year's dB group.

533
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Speaker 3: I mean there's a lot of guys I wish we

534
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Speaker 3: could have in the game that we're not going to

535
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Speaker 3: be able to get in the game this year.

536
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Speaker 2: And that's not usually the case.

537
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Speaker 3: Usually, where you know, when you get to that back

538
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Speaker 3: end of the roster, there's some guys that you know

539
00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:33,520
Speaker 3: are going to be late round picks or you know,

540
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Speaker 3: maybe fall out of it.

541
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Speaker 2: If they don't run. Well, I don't think we have

542
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Speaker 2: anyone in this year's dB group like that.

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Speaker 1: I just want to know, Uh, And you've been great

544
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Speaker 1: with your time here today, Jim. I appreciate it. One

545
00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:46,080
Speaker 1: of my last questions here. You know, remember the stories

546
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Speaker 1: about Jeter when he would break up with a girl,

547
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Speaker 1: he'd give like a basket, jift basket, a gift basket.

548
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Speaker 1: So for I'm sure you're gonna have this every year.

549
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Speaker 1: It's like the kid that's committed to the Senior Bowl

550
00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:01,520
Speaker 1: but then UH gets a portal offer to stay in

551
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:03,840
Speaker 1: college and goes get more money just for you. The

552
00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:05,639
Speaker 1: brief relationship that you had with that player.

553
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:07,200
Speaker 2: Maybe like some maybe it's some races.

554
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Speaker 1: Maybe it's just like a Reese's package, Like, hey, we

555
00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:12,639
Speaker 1: enjoyed our two weeks that we were committed together, and

556
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Speaker 1: we wish you the best of luck with that extra

557
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Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty thousand dollars.

558
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Speaker 2: She just got to another Power five spot. That's Uh.

559
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Speaker 2: I never knew that about Jeter.

560
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Speaker 3: That's kind of a boss move though, Yes, well, maybe

561
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Speaker 3: have to think about that.

562
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Speaker 2: I think about something.

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Speaker 1: Well, dude, it's been it's been great to catch up

564
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Speaker 1: with you. I don't want to spoil our I don't

565
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Speaker 1: want to spoil all the names here because we're going

566
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Speaker 1: to have our official reveal show. We're going to go

567
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Speaker 1: through and once you get the list official, we'll break

568
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Speaker 1: them down position by position, player by player, and we'll

569
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Speaker 1: dig into it. But I wanted to get you on

570
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Speaker 1: here just get a little bit of a primer. I

571
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:53,399
Speaker 1: know you're in the thick of it here, the challenge

572
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Speaker 1: of putting this thing together with all the different moving

573
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Speaker 1: parts that you have. I know you're slammed, buddy, but

574
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Speaker 1: I appreciate you coming on. And we'll be back here

575
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Speaker 1: to do this thing officially here in a few weeks

576
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Speaker 1: and get this roster announced and have some fun.

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Speaker 2: Man. Yeah, I can't wait. Thanks for having me on.

578
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Speaker 2: Ye I'll be out there in Calian like a month.

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Speaker 2: So excited. Awesome, Thank you, Max.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you, buddy.

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Speaker 2: All right, guys, have a great holidays you too. Well.

582
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Speaker 1: There he goes Buck. Always great to catch up with Jim.

583
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Speaker 1: Good buddies. Doing a great job there at at the

584
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Speaker 1: Race's Senior Bowl. In a year that's going to be different,

585
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,679
Speaker 1: definitely a different flavor to the Senior Bowl now that

586
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:30,520
Speaker 1: we get somebody's underclassmen, and it's going to be that

587
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 1: way for the East West Shrine as well, so you

588
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Speaker 1: get a chance to get some of these younger guys

589
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Speaker 1: in there. I think it's a great opportunity for everybody.

590
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Speaker 4: DJ we talked about. It's one of the things that

591
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Speaker 4: we never had an opportunity when we were scouting and

592
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Speaker 4: you looked at underclassmen, you never really got a chance

593
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Speaker 4: to do a full evaluation. It felt like it was

594
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Speaker 4: always so rushed because the deadline would be the end

595
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Speaker 4: of January, combine, and before you know it, man, you're

596
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:54,159
Speaker 4: on a highway to the draft and you haven't had

597
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Speaker 4: an opportunity to do it. But now I get a

598
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:57,360
Speaker 4: chance to see them go against some of the seniors

599
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Speaker 4: and some of the other highly touted underclassmen. We should

600
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:02,080
Speaker 4: have an opportunity to have a bet evaluation on some

601
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,359
Speaker 4: of these young guys that jump in no doubt.

602
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Speaker 1: All right, Well that's going to do it for us today.

603
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Speaker 1: Hope you guys have enjoyed that. It's been a fun

604
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Speaker 1: week here, and encourage you to go back list some

605
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,920
Speaker 1: of those other episodes if you missed them. We will

606
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Speaker 1: go back next week and we'll crank through five more

607
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Speaker 1: of these episodes for you guys, so we'll see you

608
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Speaker 1: then appreciate it next time.

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Speaker 2: Right here on with the sticks