WEBVTT - Civic Cipher 051521 Ramses Ja and Q. Ward 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:03.000 Welcome to another episode of Civic Cipher Army House. Rams 0:00:03.080 --> 0:00:05.960 is Jah. Okay, So do I just say, like, what 0:00:06.080 --> 0:00:07.040 my name is right here? 0:00:07.120 --> 0:00:11.200 Or do I because you know, sometimes people don't know, okay, 0:00:11.200 --> 0:00:13.840 my name is is Q or sometimes I like to 0:00:13.880 --> 0:00:16.480 explain to people, like the how or the why. Hey, 0:00:16.600 --> 0:00:20.200 I think they need to know. Man, So you birth certificate, 0:00:20.760 --> 0:00:23.000 you know, all right, that'll work. My mom named me 0:00:23.079 --> 0:00:25.599 quin Ton. People don't be wanting to say quin Ton, 0:00:26.239 --> 0:00:28.920 so they call me Quentin, which is not my name 0:00:29.040 --> 0:00:31.319 at all. So then I shortened it the Q. But 0:00:31.360 --> 0:00:33.720 then when I introduced myself as Q, they say, well, 0:00:33.720 --> 0:00:36.080 what's your whole name? And then I end up in 0:00:36.120 --> 0:00:39.200 this you know what I mean. Yeah, I don't feel 0:00:39.240 --> 0:00:41.479 like doing that every time. I'm sorry, y'all, but you know. 0:00:41.479 --> 0:00:44.440 You're not Tarantino, You're You're different. But yeah, I get it. No, 0:00:44.800 --> 0:00:49.839 I've heard it. And we're here to talk to you 0:00:50.159 --> 0:00:54.480 about the goings on in Black America the past week 0:00:56.240 --> 0:01:01.880 and rather unfortunately there's a lot to talk about. But 0:01:02.520 --> 0:01:06.039 you know, starting this week, we're going to start incorporating 0:01:06.120 --> 0:01:11.080 some some positive elements into the show as well. We 0:01:11.160 --> 0:01:15.240 want to end on a high because you know, there's 0:01:15.280 --> 0:01:17.039 been a lot of talk about, you know, protecting our 0:01:17.040 --> 0:01:19.600 mental health and so forth, and you know, understanding that 0:01:19.640 --> 0:01:22.800 we have a job to do and having these long 0:01:22.840 --> 0:01:25.920 form conversation, long form conversations about you know, the state 0:01:25.959 --> 0:01:29.440 of Black America and you know what what it is 0:01:29.480 --> 0:01:31.600 we need to be cognizant of and you know, how 0:01:31.600 --> 0:01:36.200 to empower allies of black and brown people. You know, 0:01:37.080 --> 0:01:39.600 after diving into this, you know, day in and day out, 0:01:39.600 --> 0:01:41.920 we recognize it can be very taxing. You know, when 0:01:41.959 --> 0:01:44.920 we do recognize that, you know, we Q and I 0:01:45.000 --> 0:01:48.880 are not the sole source of information that makes its 0:01:48.880 --> 0:01:52.880 way to you the listener. And so you know, we're 0:01:52.920 --> 0:01:56.320 we're going to try to incorporate some some things that 0:01:56.360 --> 0:01:58.320 make this a little bit more digestible so that we 0:01:58.360 --> 0:02:02.280 can also enjoy ourselves. I don't think that you know, 0:02:02.280 --> 0:02:04.360 I said this recently. I was at a at a 0:02:04.520 --> 0:02:08.120 rally protest in Phoenix and I and I said this 0:02:08.160 --> 0:02:09.480 to the crowd that was there. I don't think that 0:02:09.520 --> 0:02:11.959 we're just born to die. I don't think we're born 0:02:12.000 --> 0:02:15.000 to suffer. I think that we are entitled to some happiness, 0:02:15.120 --> 0:02:18.640 even though you know, we have some challenges. You know, 0:02:18.760 --> 0:02:21.080 and so it's in that spirit that I want to 0:02:21.400 --> 0:02:25.240 incorporate some positivity. So stay tuned because a little later 0:02:25.280 --> 0:02:28.240 on the show, hopefully we'll be able to peel back 0:02:28.240 --> 0:02:30.560 some layers and you guys can actually help us with this. 0:02:30.960 --> 0:02:34.280 You want to name a segment and make sure that 0:02:34.400 --> 0:02:39.160 every show we include some positivity because as taxing as 0:02:39.200 --> 0:02:41.880 it you know, might be to you guys to hear 0:02:41.960 --> 0:02:44.840 some of the stuff that we have a responsibility to 0:02:44.919 --> 0:02:48.480 talk about, it's ten times that for us, you know, 0:02:48.639 --> 0:02:52.640 digesting and going through and trying to figure out which 0:02:53.280 --> 0:02:58.600 topics have priority I guess, and what we're going to 0:02:58.639 --> 0:03:00.960 talk about every week, it can it can be mentally 0:03:00.960 --> 0:03:03.960 and emotionally exhausting for all of us. So we have 0:03:04.040 --> 0:03:05.919 to make sure that we bring some light and some 0:03:07.680 --> 0:03:10.120 jump start to the show every week. So we want 0:03:10.120 --> 0:03:13.240 to name a segment. If you have ideas, send them 0:03:13.240 --> 0:03:15.920 to us. Yeah, at Civic Cipher everywhere. 0:03:16.160 --> 0:03:18.680 Absolutely, we'd love to hear from you for that and 0:03:18.800 --> 0:03:23.520 for anything else. And speaking of which we've gotten a 0:03:23.520 --> 0:03:27.959 lot of recently, a lot of articles sent our way 0:03:28.000 --> 0:03:32.360 from listeners and just to kind of keep us in 0:03:32.360 --> 0:03:34.800 the loop of things that are going on. In different 0:03:34.800 --> 0:03:38.200 cities around the country, and so you know, last week 0:03:38.240 --> 0:03:41.400 we left some we couldn't get to everything, and so 0:03:41.440 --> 0:03:43.720 we were going to try to get through as much 0:03:43.720 --> 0:03:45.520 of this as possible. So forgive us if we don't 0:03:45.520 --> 0:03:48.680 spend as much time on each one. But I just 0:03:48.760 --> 0:03:52.200 do think that some of these things are worth discussing 0:03:52.240 --> 0:03:54.720 and peeling back some layers and just kind of you know, 0:03:54.760 --> 0:03:57.200 we're your friends. So if you're an ally, you know, 0:03:57.440 --> 0:03:59.920 just kind of having some perspective, and of course if 0:03:59.920 --> 0:04:02.320 you're black yourself, then you understand it very well. And 0:04:02.520 --> 0:04:03.800 you know, I say it quite a bit, we're going 0:04:03.880 --> 0:04:07.680 to have our therapy together. So first up, I got 0:04:07.720 --> 0:04:11.280 a video this week from this one I think came 0:04:11.320 --> 0:04:15.360 from our producer, shout out DJ Swirl one time. So 0:04:15.400 --> 0:04:18.560 there's a lady in North Carolina. This video went viral, 0:04:18.600 --> 0:04:22.200 so you might have seen it yourself. Yeah, a lady 0:04:22.240 --> 0:04:25.240 in North Carolina. She's an older white lady. She says 0:04:25.279 --> 0:04:27.279 she was in her seventies. If if I'm not mistaken, 0:04:28.640 --> 0:04:30.440 I believe she was at a restaurant or a store 0:04:30.480 --> 0:04:34.320 or something like that. What happens is there's some black 0:04:34.360 --> 0:04:37.240 folks in there, black women and they're having a good 0:04:37.279 --> 0:04:39.400 time and you know whatever. 0:04:39.320 --> 0:04:41.040 Which they're not allowed to do. I don't know if 0:04:41.040 --> 0:04:44.560 you according according to this lady. They give out a pamphlet. 0:04:44.600 --> 0:04:45.040 It's in there. 0:04:45.200 --> 0:04:47.080 I think it's like the third if you fold it open, 0:04:47.160 --> 0:04:51.040 it's not the middle one, but it's third. Y'all can't 0:04:51.040 --> 0:04:53.600 see me, but the third section and the pamphlet when 0:04:53.600 --> 0:04:55.839 you feel it's four of them, it folds into a 0:04:55.880 --> 0:04:58.919 single one and the third ones. I think the second 0:04:58.920 --> 0:05:03.839 paragraph down black women specifically cannot have fun at the restaurant. 0:05:04.279 --> 0:05:09.960 Well, this lady certainly felt that way. And you know, 0:05:09.680 --> 0:05:12.080 if you think back in your life, all of us. 0:05:12.200 --> 0:05:13.800 This happened to me the other day. I was at 0:05:13.800 --> 0:05:18.000 a restaurant called ajo Awls and there were some a 0:05:18.040 --> 0:05:20.080 group of people there. It was actually two different groups. 0:05:20.400 --> 0:05:24.400 I'm there with a business partner of mine. Shout out, sindbad. 0:05:25.960 --> 0:05:30.240 But we're sitting there talking, we're having lunch as we do. 0:05:31.120 --> 0:05:34.160 And there was a couple of women I think in 0:05:34.240 --> 0:05:36.840 a man, and one of the women was being so loud. 0:05:36.839 --> 0:05:39.440 These were not black people. And then there was another 0:05:39.480 --> 0:05:42.600 table of people that were very like vulgar with their language. 0:05:43.160 --> 0:05:46.560 Also white folks you know, and so you know the 0:05:46.640 --> 0:05:49.040 same as I know that there are just types of 0:05:49.120 --> 0:05:54.560 people that are loud, that are really have really bombastic, 0:05:54.960 --> 0:05:58.680 you know, just very loud, loud energy. And that is 0:05:58.760 --> 0:06:01.919 true regardless of what race they are. You know, sometimes 0:06:01.960 --> 0:06:04.719 those people are black, but obviously in all of our experience, 0:06:04.800 --> 0:06:07.640 not just mine, sometimes those people are whatever color God 0:06:07.720 --> 0:06:09.719 chose to paint them. You know, that's more of a 0:06:09.760 --> 0:06:12.880 reflection of their personality than their race in my belief. 0:06:14.200 --> 0:06:17.960 But this lady in North Carolina, we're not saying her 0:06:18.000 --> 0:06:21.720 name because we don't think that it really matters. We 0:06:22.040 --> 0:06:24.320 don't want to make heroes out of these people. But 0:06:25.920 --> 0:06:34.039 she ultimately became very frustrated. She excused her frustration by 0:06:34.120 --> 0:06:37.400 saying that she was she suffered from anxiety, I think, 0:06:38.240 --> 0:06:43.080 which is any excuses really lame, because if you reach 0:06:44.160 --> 0:06:48.080 as she did toward you know, using racial slurs, which 0:06:48.120 --> 0:06:50.880 is the most basic form of expression in my belief, 0:06:50.960 --> 0:06:53.960 profanity is the most basic form of expression, but racial 0:06:54.000 --> 0:06:56.440 slurs has got to be three four levels below that. 0:06:56.520 --> 0:06:59.920 Even it means you got really nothing. It's like school yards. 0:07:00.200 --> 0:07:03.200 It shows a complete lack of intellect in my belief, 0:07:03.240 --> 0:07:07.640 In my estimation. But you know, she, yeah, she called 0:07:07.640 --> 0:07:10.880 these women the in word, and of course the women 0:07:10.960 --> 0:07:14.440 and everyone else in that room was taken aback by 0:07:14.520 --> 0:07:23.040 that because it's such a condemnation. And you know, we've 0:07:23.040 --> 0:07:25.240 talked about this on the show, what it feels like 0:07:25.320 --> 0:07:31.800 to hear that word from someone who is not black, 0:07:32.680 --> 0:07:35.880 from someone off of the lips of someone where there 0:07:36.120 --> 0:07:38.120 it's not just an attack on you, it's an attack 0:07:38.160 --> 0:07:42.120 on everyone who came before you, who were the color 0:07:42.160 --> 0:07:44.480 that you wear, whose bodies are buried in the ground 0:07:44.720 --> 0:07:47.480 on this land, who maybe that was the last word 0:07:47.520 --> 0:07:52.920 they ever heard in their life, and the the heartbreak 0:07:53.840 --> 0:07:59.160 and the anger. I think the black people are allowed 0:07:59.200 --> 0:08:01.720 to be angry too, and that word certainly carries a 0:08:01.760 --> 0:08:04.800 lot of that with it. The anger that you feel 0:08:04.840 --> 0:08:09.560 with that is just something that you know, words we 0:08:09.920 --> 0:08:12.880 give words power, but black folks, we know that that 0:08:12.920 --> 0:08:19.400 word exists only to condemn us specifically. 0:08:19.640 --> 0:08:22.120 Yeah, And it's the interesting thing is that even in 0:08:22.240 --> 0:08:29.880 heated moments where there's already raised levels of where people 0:08:31.200 --> 0:08:33.960 have started to raise their voice and they started to curse, 0:08:34.000 --> 0:08:37.679 and the temperature has clearly clearly changed in a room 0:08:37.920 --> 0:08:39.960 when it's turned into an argument and almost to fight. 0:08:40.559 --> 0:08:44.880 When that word is inserted, you can see both sides 0:08:44.920 --> 0:08:48.719 of the situation change very much, even if they were 0:08:48.760 --> 0:08:52.120 already being disrespectful or already shouting, already on the verge 0:08:52.120 --> 0:08:54.760 of a fight, when that word is inserted. Even in 0:08:54.800 --> 0:08:57.720 the video we're talking about, they're already kind of mouthing 0:08:57.760 --> 0:09:00.360 at each other. But once the lady says that, it 0:09:00.480 --> 0:09:03.480 changes the temperature of everyone in the room, people involve, 0:09:03.559 --> 0:09:05.600 people not involved, Like everyone understands, Oh. 0:09:05.480 --> 0:09:09.360 This's just turned into something else. Yeah, this is a like. 0:09:09.280 --> 0:09:12.240 This is not just a lady that's upset. This is 0:09:12.320 --> 0:09:15.800 also a lady that's that's very plainly say racist. And 0:09:16.640 --> 0:09:21.840 to people who are otherwise not it always makes everybody 0:09:21.920 --> 0:09:25.400 kind of pause, even the even the person most angered 0:09:25.440 --> 0:09:27.920 by it has to process it for a second. The 0:09:27.960 --> 0:09:30.560 reaction isn't here that Yeah, the reaction isn't instant. It's 0:09:30.640 --> 0:09:35.040 like it's jarring. Even when we watched the video together 0:09:36.160 --> 0:09:40.120 and it was blurted out yeah like ooh, yeah, she 0:09:40.120 --> 0:09:42.000 wouldn't say it's stung a little bit. Man. 0:09:42.360 --> 0:09:47.320 So here's the thing about that. There's you know, people 0:09:47.320 --> 0:09:53.520 who are willing to like it. You might if especially 0:09:53.520 --> 0:09:55.400 if you're not black, you might imagine what the height 0:09:55.440 --> 0:09:59.480 of disrespect is, you know, And I feel like that 0:10:00.960 --> 0:10:03.480 if you're not black, you wouldn't be able to really 0:10:03.640 --> 0:10:08.360 understand how high that word is on the disrespect totem 0:10:08.679 --> 0:10:11.000 like for someone to like it, it's like on par 0:10:11.080 --> 0:10:13.600 with someone spitting in your face and then standing there 0:10:13.960 --> 0:10:16.320 holding you, trying to hold your gaze like you're staring 0:10:16.360 --> 0:10:17.839 you down, like I'm gonna spit in your face and 0:10:17.880 --> 0:10:21.439 I'm gonna stare at you like that level of disrespect, 0:10:21.520 --> 0:10:24.120 Like really, so one of us has to die now 0:10:24.559 --> 0:10:27.160 because I'm not gonna like you think that's cool, you know, 0:10:27.800 --> 0:10:31.120 And I recognize that it's a word and it you know, 0:10:31.120 --> 0:10:33.439 words only have the power that we assigned to them. 0:10:33.440 --> 0:10:35.079 But I wanted to talk about that for a second 0:10:35.080 --> 0:10:39.800 while we're on this, so you know, if you're listening, 0:10:40.160 --> 0:10:44.480 you might think to yourself, well, obviously this lady had 0:10:44.600 --> 0:10:48.600 nothing else cognitively, intellectually, she had nothing else. This lady's 0:10:48.640 --> 0:10:52.000 a million years old. She's out of her depth. She's 0:10:52.280 --> 0:10:57.160 going full Karen. She's allergic to anybody of any other 0:10:57.280 --> 0:11:01.200 race having any fun and if it causes her to 0:11:01.240 --> 0:11:05.880 be slightly uncomfortable, which is consistent with quote unquote karen behavior. 0:11:06.800 --> 0:11:10.560 Why even give it the dignity that it has so far? 0:11:10.840 --> 0:11:13.800 And I think that one thing that we have to 0:11:13.840 --> 0:11:18.920 examine when it comes to these sorts of occurrences is 0:11:18.960 --> 0:11:26.520 that if those women were not black, Let's say there 0:11:26.559 --> 0:11:28.560 were a group of white women and they were being 0:11:28.679 --> 0:11:32.200 just as loud, right, just as an obnoxious quote unquote, 0:11:32.200 --> 0:11:36.160 if that's what this Karen is saying, what was happening 0:11:36.200 --> 0:11:41.000 in her estimation, But these women were white, this lady 0:11:41.000 --> 0:11:44.679 would have never used that word. The word only exists 0:11:46.200 --> 0:11:49.760 for black people. And the thing is, in no way 0:11:49.880 --> 0:11:53.079 is it singular. It's a condemnation of a whole race 0:11:53.160 --> 0:11:56.240 of people. I'd argue she would have never even been 0:11:56.400 --> 0:11:58.719 annoyed or bothered, of course, of course, of course, but 0:11:58.760 --> 0:12:00.880 I'm trying to you know, of course not Yeah, this 0:12:01.000 --> 0:12:06.000 is purely you know, if someone is brown, or someone 0:12:06.120 --> 0:12:08.439 is if someone doesn't look like you and you are not, 0:12:08.559 --> 0:12:10.680 you don't feel connected to the fund that they're having 0:12:11.520 --> 0:12:15.080 and it somehow inconveniences you or something like that. You know, 0:12:16.320 --> 0:12:18.720 karens are the all the human beings on the planet 0:12:18.720 --> 0:12:20.840 Earth that Karens are the ones that are the most upset, 0:12:20.880 --> 0:12:22.840 the most inconvenience, and the most likely to get up 0:12:22.840 --> 0:12:25.440 and try to do something about it. Right with their 0:12:25.480 --> 0:12:29.400 complete lack of testosterone really put themselves in the middle 0:12:29.440 --> 0:12:34.120 of a predicament where, you know, if anything went beyond 0:12:34.200 --> 0:12:37.160 just words, they're really not equipped to really engage on 0:12:37.200 --> 0:12:40.760 that level. But they've been so empowered by and fortified 0:12:40.800 --> 0:12:45.560 by the cultural you know, optics and their position in 0:12:45.640 --> 0:12:48.480 society that they feel like, well, everybody needs to do 0:12:48.520 --> 0:12:51.080 everything I say or else if the police show up, 0:12:51.080 --> 0:12:52.880 they're going to automatically be on my side. And so 0:12:52.960 --> 0:12:56.199 this is why you get to behavior. But I want 0:12:56.240 --> 0:12:59.240 to share every story. Once upon a time, I had 0:12:59.240 --> 0:13:06.959 a friend named Jim. Jared and Jared and I we talked, 0:13:06.960 --> 0:13:08.760 we hung out. You know, he was a friend of 0:13:08.800 --> 0:13:11.760 a friend, but you know they lived together as roommates, 0:13:11.760 --> 0:13:14.040 and I was always over at that friend's house, right, 0:13:16.840 --> 0:13:18.680 And Jared was super cool man. He was one of 0:13:18.679 --> 0:13:22.679 those guys that you know, he he was into basketball, 0:13:22.720 --> 0:13:24.160 he was in the hip hop. He was you know, 0:13:24.360 --> 0:13:27.559 one of those guys, but he you know, those people 0:13:27.600 --> 0:13:31.720 that are not quite cool but just like kind of 0:13:31.760 --> 0:13:34.080 close because you know, hey, man, I got the new 0:13:34.559 --> 0:13:36.559 master P albums. It was a while back, you know, 0:13:36.640 --> 0:13:39.800 for those that don't know anything about master P's an 0:13:39.800 --> 0:13:44.240 old rapper anyway. So once upon a time, Jared said 0:13:44.240 --> 0:13:46.840 something he was He said, uh so, I remember Shaquille 0:13:46.880 --> 0:13:50.440 O'Neil had done something that he didn't agree with, whatever 0:13:50.480 --> 0:13:54.640 it was, and he said, man, Shack is really stupid. 0:13:54.679 --> 0:13:57.280 Shaq is Shaq is one of those guys that I 0:13:57.640 --> 0:13:59.440 think it's okay if you use the N word when 0:13:59.480 --> 0:14:02.520 you describe. And he said it just like that. He 0:14:02.559 --> 0:14:04.720 didn't say he didn't actually say the word. He said 0:14:04.920 --> 0:14:07.880 quote the D word, right, but he said it to 0:14:07.920 --> 0:14:12.280 me and I reacted just like you whoa right, And 0:14:12.320 --> 0:14:15.000 he's like, well, you know, he's just so stupid. He 0:14:15.120 --> 0:14:16.839 just does that the third and I was like, well listen, man, 0:14:16.840 --> 0:14:20.400 hold on, let me explain something to you. And our 0:14:20.440 --> 0:14:23.560 relationship changed after that because there was some pushback. 0:14:23.640 --> 0:14:23.800 You know. 0:14:23.840 --> 0:14:26.160 I tried to meet him where he was and educate 0:14:26.240 --> 0:14:28.960 him because a lot of folks really need that, you know, 0:14:29.000 --> 0:14:32.200 they don't know, and I try to leave some room 0:14:32.240 --> 0:14:34.560 for forgiveness. That's my emo. Assume me if you don't 0:14:34.640 --> 0:14:36.080 like it, But I think that we all have to 0:14:36.200 --> 0:14:38.280 We're going to have to be here as brothers and sisters. 0:14:38.520 --> 0:14:40.120 We just need to teach each other how to love 0:14:40.160 --> 0:14:45.280 each other. That's just my belief. So when that first happened, 0:14:45.480 --> 0:14:52.200 the way our conversation went was, Hey, Jared, so if 0:14:52.240 --> 0:14:57.000 you wouldn't say that about someone who's white, then you're 0:14:57.040 --> 0:15:01.400 only saying that word because he's black. That means that 0:15:01.400 --> 0:15:03.960 that word is a word for black people. And you 0:15:03.960 --> 0:15:06.480 know what that word means. He's like, yeah, of course. 0:15:06.640 --> 0:15:09.440 I was like, I'm black too. He's like, well, of course, 0:15:09.440 --> 0:15:11.280 I'm not talking about you. I'm like, but that's a 0:15:11.320 --> 0:15:15.280 word that if you say it, it's it's it's It's 0:15:15.320 --> 0:15:19.160 a word that as a race has been very hurtful 0:15:19.200 --> 0:15:20.960 to us. And if you use it, you can't pick 0:15:21.000 --> 0:15:24.280 and choose. You know, you can't just say, Okay, this 0:15:24.360 --> 0:15:27.800 person is, but these people aren't. You know, it doesn't 0:15:27.840 --> 0:15:31.000 work that way. You know, this is a condemnation of 0:15:31.840 --> 0:15:33.840 a race of people. This is how the word was used, 0:15:33.840 --> 0:15:35.680 This is how the word was instilled. Look at the literature, 0:15:35.760 --> 0:15:38.840 go back. You could see for yourself. And I'm not 0:15:38.880 --> 0:15:40.200 going to say it because we're on the radio on 0:15:40.240 --> 0:15:42.200 the FCC kind of police is what we say. But 0:15:42.480 --> 0:15:44.960 you know, you can see all the documents in words 0:15:45.000 --> 0:15:48.240 for sale, you know bucks, you know that that you 0:15:48.240 --> 0:15:50.240 know you could go and purchase. You know, this is 0:15:50.440 --> 0:15:52.960 the way that it was used. So you can't then 0:15:53.000 --> 0:15:55.360 go and say, well, Shaq is one, but you're not, 0:15:56.000 --> 0:15:58.040 because that's not the way the word was intended. So 0:15:58.120 --> 0:16:00.400 if you're going to use this word, to understand the 0:16:00.440 --> 0:16:02.840 gravity of it, understand that this is something that you're 0:16:03.680 --> 0:16:07.000 that is going to affect everybody who is black, and 0:16:07.240 --> 0:16:11.680 they're going to hear it and have some visceral reaction 0:16:11.800 --> 0:16:13.440 to it. It's a very hurtful thing to hear. 0:16:13.600 --> 0:16:15.840 And that's without you even pushing back on the idea 0:16:15.880 --> 0:16:18.400 that what he was saying was false on his face. 0:16:18.520 --> 0:16:23.320 Sure of course that shacks not just some stupid in word. 0:16:23.560 --> 0:16:27.080 No that at no point is that word ever necessary 0:16:27.160 --> 0:16:29.960 to describe a human being's behavior. And if you do, 0:16:30.040 --> 0:16:33.960 you describe that specific human being, you don't use the 0:16:34.040 --> 0:16:36.720 word that's ascribed to a race of people. That's like 0:16:36.800 --> 0:16:41.160 me saying okay, well this one person is Native American, 0:16:41.720 --> 0:16:45.440 but you know, like somehow that there's only one No, 0:16:45.520 --> 0:16:48.040 that's a word that has been historically used to describe 0:16:48.120 --> 0:16:53.640 a race of people in a very unflattering way, with 0:16:55.760 --> 0:16:58.280 specific emphasis on our cognition. 0:16:58.720 --> 0:17:04.320 And that's his use of that word is everything we 0:17:04.359 --> 0:17:06.920 need to know about why he thought Shack was stupid. 0:17:07.400 --> 0:17:10.320 There's no, he didn't have any evidence to point to them. 0:17:10.520 --> 0:17:13.840 That's it's how he feels about how he feels about. 0:17:13.920 --> 0:17:17.080 One thing that Shaquille O'Dell did in his life that 0:17:17.240 --> 0:17:19.600 upset him, and he thought that that was a go too, 0:17:19.640 --> 0:17:22.080 and so much like this lady in North Carolina, you 0:17:22.119 --> 0:17:24.399 know when she reaches for it. You know people that 0:17:24.440 --> 0:17:25.800 look at the video and are like, oh my gosh, 0:17:25.800 --> 0:17:27.880 why would you even like, just let this old lady 0:17:27.920 --> 0:17:30.720 go home and die somewhere. Well, no, it's not that simple. 0:17:31.560 --> 0:17:34.040 I wish it was, because I look at it and 0:17:34.119 --> 0:17:37.560 my first mind is, okay, how does this look too? White? Allies? 0:17:38.080 --> 0:17:39.639 Because I have to talk about it on the radio, 0:17:39.760 --> 0:17:41.639 I have to feel it for me and for you 0:17:41.720 --> 0:17:43.800 if you're listening. And I have to feel it for 0:17:44.080 --> 0:17:46.480 my children. I have black children, have black sons. I 0:17:46.480 --> 0:17:47.720 have to feel it for my family. I have to 0:17:47.720 --> 0:17:50.119 feel it for our listeners who are not white. I 0:17:50.119 --> 0:17:51.840 have to feel for our listeners who are Hispanic and 0:17:51.840 --> 0:17:54.720 so forth, and really try to process it the best 0:17:54.760 --> 0:17:57.800 I can based on my limit. I'm not a Hispanic 0:17:58.480 --> 0:18:00.399 sixteen year old woman, so I don't know what the 0:18:00.400 --> 0:18:01.760 world looks like to her. But I have to try 0:18:01.760 --> 0:18:05.239 to imagine how to explain this to that person and 0:18:05.280 --> 0:18:10.399 everyone else, and so, you know, just some perspective, and 0:18:10.920 --> 0:18:13.239 I do think that it's it's very important that if 0:18:13.280 --> 0:18:17.919 you're out in the world, then you're you come across 0:18:17.920 --> 0:18:20.280 someone who thinks that jokes are funny and they want 0:18:20.320 --> 0:18:22.400 to use this or that, or they want to get 0:18:22.400 --> 0:18:25.800 stuff like that off. It's it's okay to challenge that. 0:18:26.560 --> 0:18:28.960 And if you're a non confrontational person, it's okay to 0:18:29.080 --> 0:18:31.240 challenge a person with a little bit of love in 0:18:31.280 --> 0:18:36.399 your voice. I try to do that, and I'm probably successful, 0:18:36.440 --> 0:18:39.160 maybe eight times out of ten them. Last two times 0:18:39.280 --> 0:18:42.120 I'm bringing that smoke, you know, because I got that too. 0:18:42.440 --> 0:18:47.640 But it's there, you know, and you know again, together 0:18:47.760 --> 0:18:50.719 we're going to help stomp this out and keep it 0:18:50.760 --> 0:18:53.879 stomped out. You know, in my belief, we're moving in 0:18:53.920 --> 0:18:58.240 the right direction. You know, you constantly reminds me that 0:18:58.240 --> 0:19:01.040 we have a long way to go. But is this progress? 0:19:01.040 --> 0:19:04.040 And you know we're doing our part here. So moving on, 0:19:05.520 --> 0:19:11.160 athletes banned from wearing BLM apparel or taking a knee 0:19:11.240 --> 0:19:13.600 or raising a fist at the Tokyo Olympics. Q. How 0:19:13.600 --> 0:19:14.359 do you feel about that? 0:19:17.560 --> 0:19:20.719 I pause sometimes and forget that our listeners aren't looking 0:19:20.760 --> 0:19:23.520 at us, because if they could see my face, you 0:19:23.520 --> 0:19:26.199 know what I mean, like it's my facial expression is 0:19:26.240 --> 0:19:27.240 saying a lot. 0:19:31.000 --> 0:19:31.600 They could have. 0:19:34.640 --> 0:19:37.399 Okay, so this is what I think sure happens now 0:19:37.480 --> 0:19:41.680 moving forward from their statement and their stance on this, 0:19:43.640 --> 0:19:49.960 they've made villains out of anyone who would take a 0:19:50.040 --> 0:19:54.920 knee or raise a fist, or simply say or wear 0:19:54.920 --> 0:19:57.280 a T shirt or wristband or a headband or a 0:19:57.320 --> 0:19:59.960 hat or anything that black lives matter. 0:20:03.520 --> 0:20:08.800 The IOC would have been better off just not saying anything. 0:20:10.600 --> 0:20:16.879 What's IOC. I don't want to say this incorrectly. Let 0:20:16.920 --> 0:20:19.879 me make sure that I'm. 0:20:18.920 --> 0:20:21.840 Is that like a something to do with the Olympic 0:20:21.960 --> 0:20:28.600 International Olympic Committee. Okay, because now you've put a person 0:20:28.640 --> 0:20:30.879 in a position to feel they have to push back 0:20:31.680 --> 0:20:38.240 rights as a person representing this country, especially a black person, 0:20:40.760 --> 0:20:43.080 be it as an Olympic athlete or a member of 0:20:43.119 --> 0:20:46.760 our military. There has always been this idea that I'm 0:20:46.760 --> 0:20:49.960 going to go out here and fight for and or 0:20:50.040 --> 0:20:55.080 compete for this country that does not love me. And 0:20:55.160 --> 0:20:58.080 somehow you're look that funny when you're the person making 0:20:58.080 --> 0:21:01.120 that statement, not all the people that prove. 0:21:00.920 --> 0:21:02.280 It to be true. 0:21:03.200 --> 0:21:05.440 So you can come home wearing the stars and stripes 0:21:05.440 --> 0:21:09.879 and a gold medal and a military uniform, all of it, 0:21:11.600 --> 0:21:15.280 and people are still going to see first and foremost 0:21:16.040 --> 0:21:16.919 your skin color. 0:21:17.200 --> 0:21:19.080 Yeah, we saw that officer get pulled out of his 0:21:20.240 --> 0:21:22.480 You got pepper sprayed. The dog got pepper sprayed. He 0:21:22.520 --> 0:21:24.720 got pulled out of his brand new GEEP. That might 0:21:24.720 --> 0:21:27.040 have been three four weeks ago. It was in full 0:21:27.080 --> 0:21:28.040 military get ups. 0:21:28.119 --> 0:21:29.639 Yeah, so. 0:21:31.240 --> 0:21:33.960 You're now putting these people in the they are already 0:21:34.240 --> 0:21:37.280 You're already in a position when you're black and you're 0:21:37.359 --> 0:21:43.480 representing the United States on a world stage. Now you 0:21:43.600 --> 0:21:49.439 have the IOC saying, don't you dare come here with 0:21:49.600 --> 0:21:52.680 that black people deserve to exist stuff? 0:21:56.600 --> 0:21:57.440 Don't you dare? 0:21:58.359 --> 0:22:00.879 And now as an athlete or an all, as a 0:22:00.880 --> 0:22:04.239 black athlete or an ally even if you're not from 0:22:04.320 --> 0:22:07.560 this country, you have to arrive at the Olympics with 0:22:07.840 --> 0:22:12.760 tension that's now extra that wouldn't have been right. There's 0:22:12.760 --> 0:22:14.879 a certain amount of attention that exists period if you 0:22:14.920 --> 0:22:19.120 look like us. But now they've gone out in front 0:22:19.160 --> 0:22:22.520 of everyone and said, don't you dare again come here 0:22:23.000 --> 0:22:27.960 with that black people deserve to exist nonsense. And our athletes, 0:22:29.520 --> 0:22:33.199 who are already competing on behalf of a country that 0:22:33.240 --> 0:22:38.720 does not love them, have to go there essentially being 0:22:38.760 --> 0:22:42.280 told to shut up about how they feel about the 0:22:42.320 --> 0:22:44.200 things that are going on in this country and around 0:22:44.240 --> 0:22:44.639 the world. 0:22:46.119 --> 0:22:48.919 It's so interesting that they would make a move to 0:22:49.160 --> 0:22:56.160