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Speaker 1: Yeah, everybody. It's Tuesday, January twenty seventh, twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast, where I guess.

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Speaker 2: Football season is just over now.

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Speaker 1: It's me and man MG Marcus Great, joined by Michael F.

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Speaker 1: Florio and Lakwan Jones. Oh, I you know, I take

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Speaker 1: no pleasure in saying this, but join us all on

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Speaker 1: the couch for Super Bowl sixty.

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Speaker 3: I like how you served that up. That wasn't mean,

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Speaker 3: that was that was normal?

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Speaker 1: That wasn't you know.

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Speaker 3: I expected a lot coming into this show this morning.

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Speaker 3: I expected a lot of knife turning from Florio, you

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Speaker 3: making another poem or rap?

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Speaker 1: Is nothing coming from this? Like?

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Speaker 3: Are we just going to act like nothing happened?

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Speaker 1: No? No, I mean most of it we got out

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Speaker 1: during the text change. I've got a lot of it

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Speaker 1: over the weekend. No, my phone is in the other room.

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Speaker 1: CHARGING figured you were. I figured you had separated yourself

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Speaker 1: from your phone because you were very quiet, Like there

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Speaker 1: was a lot of radio silence from you over the weekend.

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Speaker 1: My mom, especially after the game.

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Speaker 4: It was I don't blame you, but it was from

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Speaker 4: an outsider.

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Speaker 3: It was kind of I got to chuckle out of it.

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Speaker 3: I didn't know that many people cared. To be honest, like,

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Speaker 3: I know this is the cold open, but just to

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Speaker 3: take a second, like thank you for carrying that much

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Speaker 3: or reaching out to me on all social media forms.

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Speaker 3: My my text messages from people I went to high

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Speaker 3: school with I haven't spoken to since graduation.

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Speaker 1: Shout out to you, but uh, we're good. You've been.

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Speaker 1: You've been loud on Maine all year long about it.

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Speaker 1: Of course you were insane. It's insane amount of people.

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Speaker 4: I got a couple of tweets about it, like when

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Speaker 4: Cooper Cup had that catch at the end, someone tweeted

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Speaker 4: me there like my first thought was lakwan, like I'm.

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Speaker 1: Not even part of this. Yeah, I mean, the real

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Speaker 1: talk it was, it was an entertaining game. It was

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Speaker 1: a well play game, especially in contrast to the game

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Speaker 1: that was played earlier in the day. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: think everybody going into it felt like that game was

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Speaker 1: essentially the Super Bowl. I mean, I think I think

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Speaker 1: most observers were like, whoever wins in the NFC is

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Speaker 1: probably going to win the whole thing. So no, it

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Speaker 1: was a well played game, and yeah, I mean we

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Speaker 1: gave you hell.

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Speaker 2: In the text chat. But I feel like I got

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Speaker 2: it out now, like.

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Speaker 3: We're moving on, football still lives within me. I mean,

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Speaker 3: as you can see my Manchester United jersey is on.

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Speaker 3: We're moving on to a whole other sport.

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Speaker 4: Things will say that it was a very cool like

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Speaker 4: TikTok or whatever it was where you pull off the

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Speaker 4: Rams jersey, But I was like, I know, there's pure

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Speaker 4: pain in him.

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Speaker 1: As you can see it in my eyes. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I had a very good weekend, man, I mean, especially

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Speaker 3: when your favorite soccer team defeats the top of the

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Speaker 3: table and those gooners the Arsenal.

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Speaker 2: They're still at the top of the table though.

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Speaker 3: But you guys lost and the city has been painted

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Speaker 3: red in our derby two weeks ago. Michael Krrick being

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Speaker 3: back in Manchester, it just feels good. It just feels good,

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Speaker 3: Sir Sir Alex Ferguson. You know, foundation of how football

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Speaker 3: should be even played. So happy, happy, happy over here.

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Speaker 2: That's what it is.

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Speaker 1: Now, Your your fourth place team is painting the town red. Okay,

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Speaker 1: anyway we all to talk about on the show. Of course,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna break down the championship games AFC and NFC,

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Speaker 1: But got a lot of news, a lot of news

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Speaker 1: sintil last time we spoke to you, including some news.

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Speaker 2: That broke this morning.

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Speaker 1: Look, I yeah, I come home after dropping off my

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Speaker 1: kid at school, and a lot of times I just

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Speaker 1: sort of waste time until we do this show. Right,

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Speaker 1: maybe I eat something. Most of the time, I'm just

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Speaker 1: scrolling on my phone with like Mystery Science Theater playing

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Speaker 1: in the background. It's just it's a waste of time.

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Speaker 1: So you know what, I'm gonna be productive. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: get on the treadmill and I'm gonna I'm gonna walk

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Speaker 1: while I rewatch a little bit of the games from

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Speaker 1: the weekend. And then I get a text from you

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Speaker 1: Lukwan in the group chat saying congrats Flow.

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Speaker 2: I was like, what did I miss?

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Speaker 1: Now right, I'm like, I'm not trying to dig through

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Speaker 1: social media and like, just what did I miss? And

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Speaker 1: what I missed is that the Bills have promoted Joe

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Speaker 1: Brady to be their next head coach in the wake

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Speaker 1: of firing Sean McDermott. So talking about people with pain

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Speaker 1: in their eyes, Michael left Floria. I give you the

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Speaker 1: floor to express whatever feelings you have right now.

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Speaker 5: I'll try to keep it abbreviated because I could do

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Speaker 5: this all.

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Speaker 1: Day, Captain America. I can do this all day.

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Speaker 3: Ultimately, if you remember, I think it was on Thursday.

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Speaker 4: You guys asked me, like what or Tuesday whenever they

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Speaker 4: fired McDermott.

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Speaker 1: We did.

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Speaker 4: We talked about it, and I was like, I just

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Speaker 4: don't want Joe Brady. And if you go on social media,

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Speaker 4: every single fan Bills fan right now feels the same way.

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Speaker 4: And look, I get it.

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Speaker 1: Under him.

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Speaker 4: Josh won an MVP, James Cook won a rushing title,

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Speaker 4: They've they've averaged a ton of points like there their

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Speaker 4: first I think in EPA, and so the I won't

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Speaker 4: say the offense was necessarily the problem, but I also

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Speaker 4: think those stats are highly, highly inflated because it was

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Speaker 4: a flawed offense, right Like they could run with the

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Speaker 4: best of them. And when you have Josh Allen, he's

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Speaker 4: gonna value out and make you look good a lot

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Speaker 4: of times. But and I know a lot of people

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Speaker 4: are going to blame the personnel. And I've already seen

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Speaker 4: people starting to be like it was McDermott's fingerprints and

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Speaker 4: it was how he wanted the offense ran. But since

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Speaker 4: Joe Brady has got here and taken over control. They

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Speaker 4: have not been able to scheme up wide receivers like

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Speaker 4: Seth Diggs fell off a cliff. He went from being

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Speaker 4: a top five fantasy wide receiver to unusable when they

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Speaker 4: made the move in season in twenty twenty three to

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Speaker 4: get rid of Ken Dorsey and promote Joe Brady. And

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Speaker 4: that's the other thing, right is people are like Josh

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Speaker 4: clearly wanted Joe Brady. Yeah, Josh champion to make Joe

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Speaker 4: Brady the OC when he was his quarterback coach. Josh

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Speaker 4: also champion to hire Ken Dorsey, who was fired. He

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Speaker 4: also championed to draft key On Coleman. I'm not saying

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Speaker 4: you don't make your quarterback apart part of it, but

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Speaker 4: I'm saying you don't give him total complete control either.

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Speaker 4: And to me, this felt and look, I don't know

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Speaker 4: if people are gonna get upset with me saying this

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Speaker 4: or not, but this felt like a Brandon Bean ego

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Speaker 4: move right, Like I'm gonna hire a guy who I

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Speaker 4: already work with, who I know will listen to me

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Speaker 4: and stuff like that, rather than someone outside who's gonna

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Speaker 4: want to bring in his own guys, his own ideas.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, maybe the offense looks different. I don't really

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Speaker 4: anticipate that. Maybe they go out and they get a

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Speaker 1: I hope so, but.

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Speaker 4: I expect it to look very similar, maybe with a

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Speaker 5: Their center and their left guard this year. So who knows.

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Speaker 4: But this was to me, like since twenty twenty when

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Speaker 4: Josh Allen broke out, I've been very confident that the

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Speaker 4: Bills will win a Super Bowl with Josh Allen.

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Speaker 1: This last two weeks has really.

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Speaker 4: Shaken that for me. And now I'm like, the pressure's

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Speaker 4: on you, Brandon Bean. Right, they scapegoated Sean McDermott and

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Speaker 4: are saying everything, he's the only reason we didn't make

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Speaker 4: it because everyone else got a promotion.

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Speaker 5: Pressure's on you now, dog, Like there's no one.

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Speaker 4: Just like a couple of years ago when McDermott fired Leslie,

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Speaker 4: you McDermott. We're three years later and it's just now

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Speaker 4: on Brandon Bean. And I could keep going, but I

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Speaker 4: just the fantasy's.

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Speaker 5: Been on this. I would say, James Cook should be

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Speaker 5: a first round pick next year.

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Speaker 3: Yes, that is the Bengo right there.

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Speaker 1: So he Now, I remember we did we did our

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Speaker 1: mock draft what a few weeks ago, and he was

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Speaker 1: he was like, I think he's twelve, right, I think

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Speaker 1: he's a number twelve pick in our mock draft. I

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Speaker 1: am curious. You know, we all had the idea that

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Speaker 1: we should do some of these, you know, at least monthly,

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Speaker 1: And I wonder the next time we do this where

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Speaker 1: That I'm sort of curious about for sure. Back to

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Speaker 1: kind of a football side of this. You mentioned Bean

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to just quietly hide in my office and

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Speaker 1: hope that people don't notice that I'm there. Close to shades. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're close. I'm gonna hang out in the office. He's

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Speaker 1: the face of the operation now, I mean he is.

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Speaker 1: But honestly, the fact that all of this is going

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Speaker 1: do love a lot of the consensus on social media

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Speaker 1: is that everything the Bills have done in the time

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Speaker 1: since firing Sean McDermott has only brought people more on

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Speaker 1: McDermott's side, like watching the way they have sort of

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Speaker 4: He doesn't deserve that though, like he's had a lot

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Speaker 4: of blunders and his defense has failed in the biggest

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Speaker 1: I mean that's probably fair, but I just think it's

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Speaker 1: it's one the whole the Philip Rivers thing, which.

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Speaker 2: I get it.

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Speaker 1: I don't think anybody legitimately thought Philip Rivers was going

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Speaker 1: the fact that it became such a story, right, I

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Speaker 1: won't tell you that. I did not know where Davis

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Speaker 1: Davis Webb, you know, as a mediocre college quarterback and

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Speaker 1: then a below average NFL backup. But I guess he's

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Speaker 1: been the quarterback coach for the Broncos this year and

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Speaker 1: hiring process was, for lack of a better term, kind

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Speaker 1: of a joke, Like they were just throwing names against

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Speaker 1: the wall because it felt like they always wanted to

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Speaker 1: just go this way with Joe Brady, and they're like, well,

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Speaker 1: we got to put some names out there to make

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Speaker 1: this feel like a legitimate coaching hire. Because you do

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Speaker 1: all of that, and then you just take the guy

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Speaker 1: who's been standing next to Sean McDermott for you know,

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Speaker 1: the last year or so, like, what are you doing.

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Speaker 3: In all the photos, the group photos with Ken Dorsey,

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Speaker 3: Joe Rady, Sean McDermot. The guy that you were worried

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Speaker 3: about is the guy that's going to take both of

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Speaker 3: your jobs. That's literally what it came down to.

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Speaker 1: Marcus.

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Speaker 4: I want to ask you, because you've been doing this

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Speaker 4: the longest of all three of us, do you remember

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Speaker 4: a time when a head coach got fired and then

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Speaker 4: they were just like, we're keeping the rest of the

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Speaker 4: operation going because it it doesn't happen.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't. I mean it doesn't for a lot of reasons,

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Speaker 4: And I'm telling you this now. If they foul around

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Speaker 4: I hope next season, at this time I get to

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Speaker 3: This is how it feels right now. Bro, Like we've

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Speaker 4: There's been times as a Bills fan throughout the last

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Speaker 4: But like it feels like now they're just going to

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Speaker 4: I think so, But I think it's going to be

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Speaker 1: But the floor is lower.

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Speaker 4: And it's so infuriating because I said this a lot

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Speaker 5: It to Trader Joe's and back.

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Speaker 1: True, why not? I see people do it every day,

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Speaker 1: especially the disaster, Jones. That's all you're doing. Sell the car,

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Speaker 4: Now?

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Speaker 4: You can't believe how many text messages I got this

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Speaker 1: So yeah, there's a lot of bills talk. Here'll take

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Speaker 1: Fantasy Football Podcast, and Ladies and Gentlemen. The Steelers. The

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Speaker 3: You would think, you would think, well, I do think

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Speaker 3: And honestly, speaking to some of my friends who are

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Speaker 3: right now because they're not in the end game yet,

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Speaker 1: Have going on.

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Speaker 2: Remember Caleb Johnson, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: No, Alexa played Caleb Johnson's highlights.

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Speaker 4: You know, I'm gonna say something that I that I

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Speaker 4: I don't think anyone.

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Speaker 4: Right, Like, if they do run it back with Aaron Rodgers,

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Speaker 5: There's no because Rogers doesn't have the deep ball anymore.

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Speaker 4: So, Like I I David what you will about Arthur Smith,

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Speaker 1: Do you think Mike McCarthy's the guy calling the plays

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Speaker 5: I wouldn't be surprised if he wants to.

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Speaker 5: Phil's legend, probably wouldn't hire him, to be honest.

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Speaker 1: Why why why do you even't bring that name up?

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Speaker 3: I mean why he was asking, I mean, why not

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Speaker 4: Would do if I was them, is I would sign

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Speaker 5: Be like you're eating Joe Flacco. You're each playing one

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Speaker 1: Gonna hunger games with Vetteran quarterbacks, yes, because they're usually

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Speaker 5: So let's just see if we could not say Philip.

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Speaker 1: Rivers still wants to play.

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Speaker 3: I mean, he ain't taking no coaching job right now?

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Speaker 1: Why not? Hey man, Saint Michael's Catholic needs him. It

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Speaker 1: I mean Kyler Murray is out there as a possibility

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Speaker 4: Maybe they take whichever one the Cardinals don't.

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Speaker 1: maybe I'm pursuing Malik Willis, and maybe I'm pursuing mac Jones, right, Like,

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00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:55,359
Speaker 1: I'm not Jared Stidham.

440
00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:56,320
Speaker 3: Let's get stitty.

441
00:20:57,359 --> 00:20:59,360
Speaker 1: I just rewatched the first half of that game. Yeah,

442
00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:00,920
Speaker 1: we'll go get We'll get to that after me.

443
00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:02,160
Speaker 2: It wasn't great.

444
00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:04,720
Speaker 1: We'll get to that after the break. That's gonna be

445
00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:08,480
Speaker 1: the big the big question if you're a Steelers fan though,

446
00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:11,199
Speaker 1: right Like, because I was talking with Great Rolls with

447
00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:12,639
Speaker 1: all the other day and he was like, I actually

448
00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:14,600
Speaker 1: think they're rosters in win now moment, Like they have

449
00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:15,840
Speaker 1: a lot of aging talent.

450
00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:16,480
Speaker 2: But they have a.

451
00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:17,080
Speaker 1: Lot of talent.

452
00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:19,920
Speaker 4: And I'm like, and that is the problem in my opinion,

453
00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:23,159
Speaker 4: because McCarthy's going to try to win right away and

454
00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:25,080
Speaker 4: he's going to keep you in football purgatory.

455
00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:29,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the thing. I mean, I get. I do

456
00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:32,240
Speaker 1: get Greg's point that they do have a lot of talent,

457
00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:39,119
Speaker 1: but again, it's not they're not They're not on the hump, right,

458
00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:40,840
Speaker 1: They're not right at the top of the hill trying

459
00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:42,919
Speaker 1: to get on the other side. Right. They're not the

460
00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:45,199
Speaker 1: Bills where you look at it and you're like, this

461
00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:47,960
Speaker 1: team's close. There's just something missing. We got to figure

462
00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:50,239
Speaker 1: it out, right, They're not. They're not the Rams who

463
00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:53,120
Speaker 1: were loaded with talent and just ran into a team

464
00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:54,439
Speaker 1: that was a little bit better than him on a

465
00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:57,360
Speaker 1: given day. Right, Like, they're not there they're good enough

466
00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:03,399
Speaker 1: to win. I almost cursed him on this part entire face.

467
00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:10,160
Speaker 1: What what what did I say? Did I say something wrong?

468
00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:16,800
Speaker 1: Did I say something incorrect? Continue? That's insane. Wow, it's

469
00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:19,119
Speaker 1: not even about you, It's it's not.

470
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Speaker 3: Even about you right now, it's still fresh, you know that,

471
00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:25,480
Speaker 3: right I'm trying to contain this demon like I'm trying

472
00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:27,919
Speaker 3: to contain it, and you just throwing jabs like that

473
00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:29,480
Speaker 3: and just so nonchalne for what.

474
00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:35,400
Speaker 1: I Okay, anyway, Steelers are not close. Maybe they win,

475
00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:37,480
Speaker 1: maybe they get back to ten and seven, maybe they

476
00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:39,320
Speaker 1: squeak into the playoffs, and then we're still doing this

477
00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:42,920
Speaker 1: dance again. The problem is they don't even have a pretense.

478
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Speaker 2: Of a quarterback right now.

479
00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:46,080
Speaker 1: Like at least with Aaron Rodgers, you could squint and

480
00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:49,760
Speaker 1: tell yourself a story that you know, maybe his football

481
00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:53,280
Speaker 1: smarts and his years of experience can sort of drag

482
00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:56,200
Speaker 1: the Steelers along to something, you know, like we don't.

483
00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:59,280
Speaker 1: We don't pretend that with Mason Rudolph. We're not really

484
00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:01,320
Speaker 1: pretending that. If it's Jacoby Brissett. I don't even know

485
00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:03,080
Speaker 1: if you're pretending. I mean, I know how much you

486
00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:05,160
Speaker 1: love Milik Willis, Floya, I don't even know if we're

487
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:07,239
Speaker 1: pretending that with Milik Willis, Like there's still so much

488
00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:09,879
Speaker 1: of a learning curve for him that it's not happening

489
00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:10,520
Speaker 1: there either.

490
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Speaker 4: The other thing is it's you know, like when a

491
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Speaker 4: TV show, like an actor or a host like Man

492
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:19,480
Speaker 4: Versus Food came to mind, where like they had they

493
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:20,080
Speaker 4: changed the.

494
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Speaker 5: Host, but they try to keep it going, like McCarthy.

495
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:24,280
Speaker 4: You can't come in and try to go nine and eight,

496
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:26,920
Speaker 4: make a wild card and lose, Like that's Mike Tomlins bit,

497
00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:28,040
Speaker 4: like yeah.

498
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Speaker 1: You gotta do something else. Just won four games, like

499
00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:35,320
Speaker 1: just do that? Just completely bottom out legitimately talking.

500
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Speaker 4: With like with Steelers fans, they would rather win four

501
00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:40,600
Speaker 4: games or less than go nine and eight again, like.

502
00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:43,160
Speaker 1: I do agree with him, let's go back to Okay,

503
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:46,040
Speaker 1: So twenty twenty, they were twelve and four, they won

504
00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:50,040
Speaker 1: the division. Since then nine seven and one, nine and eight,

505
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:53,960
Speaker 1: ten and seven, ten and seven, ten and seven, that's it,

506
00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:59,640
Speaker 1: And they haven't won a playoff game? What since twenty six?

507
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:03,440
Speaker 3: He like captain America.

508
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:07,359
Speaker 4: There are times where I'm like, don't be so spoiled,

509
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:11,359
Speaker 4: Like like ten wins being your floor is great, But

510
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 4: when you watch the Steelers and how they get their

511
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 4: ten wins, you don't feel inspired at all.

512
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:17,639
Speaker 5: Like they beat up on all the bad teams like

513
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:18,399
Speaker 5: they're supposed to.

514
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:20,760
Speaker 4: They'll have a couple of ugly games that you don't

515
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:23,160
Speaker 4: expect them to, but then when they play top contenders

516
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:24,440
Speaker 4: they get their doors blown off.

517
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

518
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Speaker 2: No, I think they do need to bottom out.

519
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 1: But you know, Mike McCarthy, I don't think that's They

520
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,280
Speaker 1: didn't bring him in to bottom out, that's the problem.

521
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,280
Speaker 1: So one last bit of coaching actually a couple of

522
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:38,639
Speaker 1: bits more bits of coaching news. Brian Dabill expected to

523
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:44,000
Speaker 1: be hired as the Titans offensive coordinator. That will happen

524
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 1: presumably if he does not get hired as the head

525
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:49,199
Speaker 1: coach of the Raiders. He's still in the running for

526
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,760
Speaker 1: that job, so we'll see.

527
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Speaker 2: You know what happens with that.

528
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:58,120
Speaker 1: Cam to the moon is it?

529
00:24:58,840 --> 00:24:59,919
Speaker 5: I actually really like this.

530
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,880
Speaker 1: I like it. I like him in the atmosphere. Yeah,

531
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 1: moonfields too far. Dables had success.

532
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 4: Look, say what you will about him being a psycho

533
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:13,440
Speaker 4: and stuff, but he has had success developing young qbs.

534
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Speaker 1: Yes, but like there's still there's still need so much

535
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 1: there in Tennessee. So like Cam Moore to like just

536
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 1: above the ozone layer.

537
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:22,480
Speaker 2: I think we can do that one.

538
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:28,960
Speaker 1: Dolphins expected to promote body Slowic to offensive coordinator. Uh.

539
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:33,399
Speaker 1: To your earlier point, Floria about a new head coach,

540
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:37,120
Speaker 1: keeping old assistants. Jeff Haffley is the head coach down

541
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:40,520
Speaker 1: there in Miami. Are you surprised he's sticking with a

542
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 1: Mike McDaniel assistant a bit? But I don't think they

543
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:45,919
Speaker 1: were going to be in the.

544
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,960
Speaker 5: Grant Dinsky Sweepstakes or the Davis web sweep Spakes, or

545
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 5: or the Brian Dables, So I.

546
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Speaker 1: Kind of never thought we'd be talking about the Davis

547
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,240
Speaker 1: Webb Sweepstakes. By the way, those are the top o

548
00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:58,720
Speaker 1: season available right now.

549
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Speaker 4: But uh I, I do think Bobby Slowick got a

550
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:06,320
Speaker 4: bit of a raw deal in Houston because c J.

551
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 4: Stroud's rookie year under Slowick, he played great, right, and

552
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:12,359
Speaker 4: then they they worse in that old line and c J.

553
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,440
Speaker 4: Stroud really started to regress. Then they move on from him,

554
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:18,200
Speaker 4: they worse in the old line again, and then c J. Stroud,

555
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 4: I would say, reached the new low this past season.

556
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 4: Like he is literally getting the non treatment right now,

557
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,879
Speaker 4: where when a quarterback plays bad or someone plays bad,

558
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 4: Like the other day, I saw when that huge.

559
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 5: Blizzard was coming across the country, people like a viral tweet.

560
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 1: Said c J.

561
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:34,920
Speaker 4: Stroud across it like his It's at an all time

562
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 4: low right now for CJ.

563
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 5: Stroud, and that's I think it could get better.

564
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 4: But the point being is that like he got even

565
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:43,879
Speaker 4: worse without Bobby Slowick there. So I'm not saying this

566
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:47,119
Speaker 4: is a slam dunk higher, but I think there could

567
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:51,200
Speaker 4: be potential there because we saw a really successful season

568
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 4: the first year he was with Houston.

569
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Speaker 1: I guess the other question in Lakwan is who's the

570
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:58,359
Speaker 1: Dolphins quarterback next year? It's that a Kyler Murray landing

571
00:26:58,400 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 1: spot that would.

572
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 3: Be Interestingo, that would be interesting.

573
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 1: I think too. His days are done.

574
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 3: Honestly, It's just one of those things that it's that

575
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 3: shift has sailed. You know, we've seen that movie. All right,

576
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 3: that franchise is done. Let's start, you know, brand new,

577
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 3: and like with Bobby coming in, like Florio was saying,

578
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:17,400
Speaker 3: like twenty two and three was amazing what we've seen

579
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:17,880
Speaker 3: at CJ.

580
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:18,640
Speaker 1: Strout.

581
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:20,640
Speaker 3: I mean, get one of these young guys. I mean,

582
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 3: make some moves in the draft. I mean, Kyler Murray's

583
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 3: out there, We're naming names, League, will Is, mac Jones,

584
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 3: Jared Stidham, I mean the list goes on, like if

585
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 3: you want to start fresh, Like I just hope that

586
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 3: they don't go the route of where they want to

587
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:36,360
Speaker 3: stick with to it, and then we get the same product.

588
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:39,160
Speaker 3: And then there's dirt on Bobby's name once again, being

589
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,200
Speaker 3: that he's not really getting the fair shake and fair

590
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:44,160
Speaker 3: shot is starting fresh because him staying on, I think

591
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,160
Speaker 3: that's huge. That's like showing trust him, Like, Okay, you've

592
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,479
Speaker 3: seen an offense be successful, you were part of an

593
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,119
Speaker 3: offense that was successful at one point. Let's see what

594
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 3: you can do. So it's all coming down to fantasy

595
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,919
Speaker 3: wise with the Darren Wallers, if he's still around next season,

596
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 3: I mean, waddle, I won't I know, to be a

597
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 3: wide receiver one so bad, like I want this to

598
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 3: be his ship. The talent is there, obviously, Devon ah

599
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 3: Chan obviously is still a first round pick. But it's

600
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 3: gonna come down to where we're at by the time

601
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:15,439
Speaker 3: June July comes around. The tone and temperature that we

602
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 3: feel about Dolphins players coming off the board.

603
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, right now, the only one I have

604
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:24,880
Speaker 1: any real trust, in, real excitement about is Devon h Chan.

605
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,679
Speaker 1: Everything else is so up in the air. Right Like

606
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,639
Speaker 1: when we get to whoever the quarterback's going to be,

607
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 1: then I feel like I can truly evaluate how I

608
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:37,919
Speaker 1: feel Like I think Jaalen Waddell is to be a

609
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 1: wide receiver one for the Dolphins. He cannot be a

610
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 1: wide receiver one for my fantasy team.

611
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 4: Just yeah, it's kind of like an ace in baseball, right,

612
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 4: Like you're not an ace in MLB, but you could

613
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 4: be an ace for a team.

614
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 1: You're you're a number one pitcher. You're not an ace,

615
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 1: like I think. I think that's what it is. Yeah,

616
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 1: I will say.

617
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 5: The Dolphins put out like a promo for twenty twenty six,

618
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 5: and uh, Tyreek and Tua we're not on it. Make

619
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 5: of that what you will?

620
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 1: I just do wonder what is the future for Tyreek Hill?

621
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 5: Kansas City.

622
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 1: Goes Jerseys.

623
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 5: That's what I actually think he's gonna end up.

624
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's playing next year. Like that's the problem.

625
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 1: It was such a catastrophic injury and with speed being

626
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 1: the defining part of his game, if it's not there.

627
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 3: What Tank Dell timeline? Man, I mean, I mean, let me.

628
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 1: Talking about ten years older, because then yeah, but because

629
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 1: then you're just adding you're adding a diminished Tyreek Hill

630
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 1: to a room that has xavior worthy.

631
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 2: She Rice question Mark.

632
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 1: You know, I mean, like, why he doesn't. It's just

633
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 1: it's more the same. I think if that happens.

634
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 5: I think he either goes there on a team friendly

635
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 5: deal or he pulls like a d hop and he

636
00:29:57,760 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 5: goes wherever they give him the most money.

637
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, how about to say, is he in the retirement home? Officially?

638
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 3: If Tennessee and Ravens we like, I mean, like, you.

639
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 4: Know, I think me and Josh Allen could do something

640
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 4: special and everyone was like no, no, three years ago

641
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 4: we wanted you, not anymore not.

642
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 1: No, wow, all right, we'll take a break, we'll come back.

643
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 1: We will dive into the AFC Championship game only because

644
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 1: we have to. I think we're like contractually obligator or something.

645
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 1: Anybody that's coming up next on the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast.

646
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 1: So there were two championship games played on Sunday. One

647
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 1: of them was good. This is the other one. The

648
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 1: Patriots beat the Broncos by a score of ten to seven.

649
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 1: I know everybody focused on the second half and the snow,

650
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 1: which made the game completely unplayable, but let's be honest,

651
00:30:56,040 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 1: it was not a great game, especially offensively before the

652
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 1: snow started happening. When the sun is out and the

653
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 1: weather looked pleasant in Denver, the Broncos offense was miserable.

654
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 1: The Patriots were being suffocated by that Denver defense. For

655
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 1: people who like offense, you were probably better off like

656
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 1: reading a book or something. Floyd. Did Sean Payton lose

657
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 1: that game early in the second quarter when they decided

658
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 1: to go for it on fourth and one instead of

659
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 1: taking the field goal to go up ten nothing?

660
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 5: I think so.

661
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 4: And look if it was bon Nicks and you go

662
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 4: for it because you want to get a stranglehold of

663
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 4: that game, I get it. But and this is why

664
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 4: I get annoyed at people being like analytics, right. Like

665
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 4: analytics tell you probability and what is the most likely

666
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 4: best case scenario in that instance, right, But what it

667
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 4: doesn't do is factor in that you have a quarterback

668
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 4: who hasn't thrown a pass in an actual game in

669
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 4: three years against a defense that has been suffocating. Plus

670
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 4: I'm not a meteorologist, but I'm guessing that they knew

671
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 4: that bad.

672
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 5: Weather was coming throughout that game, right, So you should be.

673
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 4: If I'm Sean Payton, I'm thinking about it like I

674
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 4: have a chance to go up two scores in a

675
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 4: game that I don't expect to be very high scoring

676
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 4: where I could give my defense a chance to do

677
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 4: what they do best, especially if it gets ugly weather.

678
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 4: Because think about it, outside of the free points that

679
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 4: Stidham basically gave to the Patriots, they scored one field

680
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 4: goal on your defense the rest of the game. The

681
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 4: rest of the game, right, so Stidham doesn't make that pass.

682
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 4: I've seen people say like, oh, they probably win, but

683
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 4: if you go up ten to nothing like that, game

684
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 4: to me is played very differently because at worst you're

685
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 4: tied then and like I know, you could say, oh, will,

686
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 4: let's let's the field goal got blocked and stuff, And

687
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 4: he said they were a yard shorter than they normally

688
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 4: are because they couldn't see the lions and stuff.

689
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 1: All of that is stuff that you should be. You

690
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 1: can't prepare for it, but you should be, like, there's a.

691
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 4: Chance wacky stuff happens once this win starts swirling and

692
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 4: the snow starts coming down. So I'm gonna take the

693
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 4: guaranteed points when I can. I think we've gone too

694
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 4: far in the other direction, where for a while it

695
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 4: was like guaranteed coaches take the points. Now it almost

696
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 4: feels like they never take the points and there's a

697
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 4: happy medium there, you know which.

698
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 1: I think when the Patriots kicked that field goal was.

699
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 2: Like mid third quarter. I think it was.

700
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 1: Because it was it was fourth and goal from like

701
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 1: the three, three and a half, and I think it's

702
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 1: one of those things where in the regular season, or

703
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 1: if the weather is good, I think a coach, maybe

704
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 1: even Vraybel tries to punch it.

705
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 2: In the end zone.

706
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 1: I think he saw what was coming, and he saw

707
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 1: how bad the Broncos offense was, and he's like, you

708
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 1: know what, let's just take the points. Let's take the three.

709
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 1: Let's make it ten to seven, and I dare Jared

710
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 1: Stidham to drive the ball down the field on us

711
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 1: and score more points. I think it's a hundred percent

712
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 1: what happened, and I do think I so. My thing

713
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 1: with with analytics one, I think efficiency is boring. And

714
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 1: I get it, you're trying to play probabilities and the

715
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:17,799
Speaker 1: best possible outcomes or whatever, but it also sort of

716
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,799
Speaker 1: leads everybody to doing the same thing and playing the

717
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 1: same way.

718
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 2: That's a different argument for a different time.

719
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 1: I think as I think, but I think there is

720
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 1: I think the is what you're saying. The threading the

721
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 1: needle with good coaching is understanding when you play those

722
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,400
Speaker 1: probabilities and when you just look with your own eyes

723
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 1: as to what was happening as you were talking about it.

724
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 1: And this is where my baseball adult brain goes sometimes.

725
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 1: But where my mind went was the twenty twenty World

726
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 1: Series where Blake Smell with then with the Rays was

727
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:03,439
Speaker 1: absolutely shutting down the Dodgers in a championship situation, and

728
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 1: the analytics said, you don't let Blake Snell go through

729
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 1: the lineup a third time, So the Rays went to

730
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 1: the bullpen, Dodger score a.

731
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 2: Couple runs, they win the World Series.

732
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 1: Everyone in that Dodger dugout said, we were thrilled as

733
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 1: hell to see Blake Snell coming out of the game

734
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 1: because he was absolutely shutting us down. Like we didn't

735
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:21,800
Speaker 1: want to We didn't want to have to deal with

736
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 1: him the rest of the day. We just wanted anybody

737
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,879
Speaker 1: else on the mound. And that's one of those things where, yeah,

738
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 1: maybe the advanced metrics tell you you didn't want Blake

739
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 1: Snell on the mound for a third go round, but

740
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:34,760
Speaker 1: your eyes told you.

741
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 2: This offense has no shot.

742
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 1: And I think that was sort of I think that's

743
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:44,399
Speaker 1: the difference between Sean Payton going for it on fourth

744
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,320
Speaker 1: and one from the what fifteen sixteen yard line or

745
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 1: whatever it was, versus Mike Vrabel kicking a fuel goal

746
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 1: on fourth and goal from the three, because he just

747
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 1: looked out there and is like, look, three points might

748
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 1: be all we need.

749
00:35:57,600 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 2: That's all it was.

750
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 1: The thing is right, like it was a pass through

751
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 1: r J. Harvey, Like you're on a rollout, so you're cutting.

752
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 4: The field in half. Like, I get it, you need

753
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:13,799
Speaker 4: a yard. And Sean Payne spoke after the.

754
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 1: Game for like a minute and then he was like

755
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:16,919
Speaker 1: it just wasn't the right play call.

756
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:19,800
Speaker 4: And but if you don't have faith in you're running

757
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 4: back to pick up that yard on the ground, you're

758
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 4: you're putting it all in it. Just to me, it

759
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 4: felt like, uh, it wasn't It wasn't even going for it.

760
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 4: It was like that was your play, Like you're not

761
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 4: going to Courtland Sutton or whatever like you It just

762
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 4: I don't know, And no point did it watching that game,

763
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 4: did I feel like that was the right decision to

764
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 4: go for it or that play that he called?

765
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 1: I mean, okay, you are the You're the RJ Harvey

766
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 1: stan of record on this show. He's not an RB one,

767
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 1: is he? Again? This is this is sort of like

768
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 1: the he might be Denver's RB one, but he is

769
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,839
Speaker 1: not an RB one.

770
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,840
Speaker 3: No, it's sad, It's it's sad. But he needed JK

771
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 3: Dobbins in that backfield, like I think the formula worked

772
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 3: when JK was healthy that he can have these RB

773
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 3: one weeks. I think when we seen him get the

774
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 3: full workhorse ability against a software defense, that's when we

775
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 3: started badging him as the RB one. There's situations like

776
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 3: this game where it's like, yeah, this ain't it, Like

777
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 3: you need help, you need a one A like he

778
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 3: could be a one B of a backfield and B

779
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:29,840
Speaker 3: Compo merity where we saw mark Ingram and Alvin Kamara

780
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 3: in New Orleans with Sean Payton where they both for

781
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 3: Fantasy Relevant And I think that will be kind of

782
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 3: his bag moving forward, because I don't think that Sean

783
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 3: can hand him the rock twenty twenty five times, because

784
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 3: then he won't be efficient.

785
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 1: He's not going to get.

786
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 3: The yards like we've seen him get stuff running in

787
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 3: between the tackles the same game six times and it's like,

788
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 3: what are we doing?

789
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 1: You know, like.

790
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:55,319
Speaker 3: His his game's explosiveness, his games to be involved in

791
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 3: the passing game like we saw, but we're not going

792
00:37:58,200 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 3: to get enough volume. We're not going to get that

793
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 3: payoff drafting him as an RB one, where in reality

794
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 3: it's just an RB two maybe borderline RB three.

795
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 1: At this point, he's I was trying to come up

796
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 1: with a comp for him, like a current comp, and

797
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:27,799
Speaker 1: I'm like, shiftier Tony Pollard. Maybe he's not. I'm hard

798
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 1: because he's but he's he's I mean, just watching him,

799
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:34,359
Speaker 1: he's a complimentary back, right, he's the guy he is.

800
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 1: He is the explosive guy. But you know, early in

801
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 1: that game, they were they were trying to run in

802
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,839
Speaker 1: between the tackles, and you know, he's not a guy

803
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,280
Speaker 1: who's gonna move the pile for you. He's not gonna

804
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:47,879
Speaker 1: you know, he's not really gonna push ahead and get

805
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 1: you those those hard yards. At the times he had

806
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,800
Speaker 1: decent runs, you just because he had to shake somebody

807
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 1: in the backfield to make a couple of moves in.

808
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 2: The hole to get loose.

809
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 1: But he's not you know it, if you need three,

810
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 1: if you block it for three. You'll probably get you

811
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 1: those three in between the tackles. He's not gonna get

812
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 1: you much more than that. And I think that was

813
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 1: the realization. That was why we saw a lot of

814
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 1: Julia McLoughlin in that game, just because Sean Payton had

815
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 1: that realization, maybe at the worst possible time.

816
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 3: I bet he wished she had all dressed. To me,

817
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:23,439
Speaker 3: that's a joke, tennis, a joke.

818
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 1: Side note to this, Florio Uh, Travion Anderson was effectively

819
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 1: a healthy scratch. Like I know he played, but he

820
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 1: was effectively a healthy scratch. That has to be concerning

821
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 1: going forward. Yeah, it's maddening because I think he played

822
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 1: five snaps the other day.

823
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 4: And the thing is, in terms of rushing EPA this playoffs,

824
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 4: Travion has the worst and Ramontre is second worst. So

825
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 4: like it's been bad all around. I will continue to

826
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 4: argue though I think they trust Stevenson just more for

827
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 4: that's evident right Like I'm not even gonna argue that,

828
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 4: but I would continue to argue that for an offense

829
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 4: that legitimately and Patriots fans are like crushing me online

830
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,319
Speaker 4: right now, being like talk about the defenses and the

831
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 4: weather and everything, like no one else has ever faced goodea,

832
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 4: like Drake May has a negative eighteen EPA as a passer.

833
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 5: In this playoffs.

834
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 4: It is by far the worst of any quarterback to

835
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:28,719
Speaker 4: make it to the Super Bowl. The only other time

836
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 4: it was negative was Jimmy g in twenty nineteen and

837
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 4: he was not even a negative one. And Drake May

838
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 4: is almost at negative eighteen, right, Like the play on

839
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:42,439
Speaker 4: offense has been brutal, brutal, wouldn't you want more explosiveness there,

840
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:44,799
Speaker 4: like a back who has shown if you give him

841
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 4: touches he can hit home runs with the best of them.

842
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 4: Like the best Patriots running back performances this year have

843
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 4: all been Trevion when Stevenson is out. So I will say,

844
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,840
Speaker 4: though none of my opinions matter, right, Like just for

845
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 4: what matters for fantasy is that this makes Traveon harder

846
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 4: to trust him. Like I'll probably still be in if

847
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 4: his price is reduced from what it was this past year,

848
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 4: but it's gonna be hard to hype him up because

849
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,839
Speaker 4: Stevenson's not going away, Rabel's not going away.

850
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:14,839
Speaker 5: And it might just be more of the same next year.

851
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's just it always it's I think

852
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 1: I come back to every year that we can talk

853
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:21,359
Speaker 1: about a guy's ability, his explosiveness.

854
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 2: You can look at all the metrics.

855
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 1: What matters the most is how the coaches feel about

856
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 1: him and how they and how they show how they

857
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 1: feel about not just what they say. Because we know

858
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 1: Sean Payton is a master of being like you know,

859
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:34,280
Speaker 1: Marvin mems Man, we gotta get that guy more involved

860
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 1: and you know who right exactly exactly, So you know

861
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:42,320
Speaker 1: that's I think kind of where I fall on the

862
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 1: Hinderson thing. Another part about this game, uh LaQuan, Do

863
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 1: the Broncles need more help at wide receiver because Courtland Sutton.

864
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 1: Courtland Sutton, I mean, obviously he has the ability to

865
00:41:54,560 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 1: be a big time playmaker, but he also I mean

866
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 1: teams just basically took him away, right. The Bills for

867
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 1: the most part took him away. The Patriots he had

868
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 1: the touchdown catch, but other than that, I forgot Courtland

869
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 1: Suton was on.

870
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:14,720
Speaker 2: The field for long stretches. They got to get somebody else.

871
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:18,360
Speaker 3: He becomes such a secondary thought so quickly in games

872
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 3: where it's like even with bo this season, they were

873
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:24,400
Speaker 3: just inconsistent attacking downfield and there were games where Troy

874
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 3: Franklin was the one, Like we all remember that stretch

875
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 3: where Troy Franklin was outperforming more targets, more touchdowns than

876
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 3: Courtland's son. And then you have the added factor in

877
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:36,840
Speaker 3: the Marvin Mins that shows up, you know, whenever Sean

878
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 3: Payn's looks his way. But it's one of those things

879
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 3: where it's like they need somebody that brings stability, like

880
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 3: they need somebody that can't easily be removed from the equation.

881
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:49,360
Speaker 3: And that's exactly what's been the lore of this entire season,

882
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:52,760
Speaker 3: which sun So they need a two in a matter

883
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 3: of like a consistent two. Like you look at Troy

884
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 3: Franklin and Marvin Mims. They run the same routes, They

885
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 3: kind of do the same thing. Explosive boats can attack downfield.

886
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 3: These are literally just the same player, just splitting reps.

887
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:08,840
Speaker 3: And then Pat Bryan, he's a young player, but the

888
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 3: concussions are starting to add up. His availability is starting

889
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 3: to be an issue. It's like they need some stability

890
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 3: there and Courtland Sutton can't be looked at as their

891
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 3: one if he's getting taken out of the games every

892
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 3: other week. So they need to do something. They need

893
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 3: another two. They need another solid tight end because Evan

894
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 3: Ingram pops up every now and then, like, oh that's

895
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 3: Evan Ingram on the TV. I forgot he was on

896
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 3: on the team. What even is Evan Ingram right now?

897
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 1: I'm like I literally forgot he was on the team.

898
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, he's still here. Let's go.

899
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,879
Speaker 3: And it's like, oh, well, you don't really have an

900
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:44,320
Speaker 3: identity with your pass catchers. It's just more so you know,

901
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:46,840
Speaker 3: it's it's just whoever's out there at that point.

902
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, zild Sutton is an sp one, not an ace as.

903
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 1: Well, Like I did you just speak another language?

904
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 5: What's baseball?

905
00:43:57,920 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 1: He's a number one pitcher, he's a number one starter,

906
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 1: but he's out an ace. I do.

907
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 5: I will say, though, I have high hopes.

908
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:04,839
Speaker 2: For Pep Bryan next year.

909
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 1: Pat Bryant is sort of he's he's he's walking the

910
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 1: Ricky Piersoll path of like there's the potential, like you

911
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 1: like what you see. I just I need you to

912
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 1: be here. I just need you to be here with

913
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 1: us on the field. That's what I need. So yeah,

914
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 1: I do think it's very interesting though, because I've seen

915
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 1: a lot of chatter this offseason, mostly like the story

916
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 1: is coming out of the Broncos locker room and then

917
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 1: you know the the post mortems of hey man, we

918
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 1: got to go out and spend this year. I think

919
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:38,360
Speaker 1: was it was like, don't we have this Russell Wilson money.

920
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:43,359
Speaker 1: It's one of the things I saw. Give paying credit though, right,

921
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 1: like we all thought these next the first two years

922
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 1: he was gonna like, we're gonna be atrocious post Russell

923
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 1: Wilson and they were the one seed and in the

924
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 1: AFC champ and yeah, you can make a case they

925
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 1: should be playing for a super Bowl. Like it's being

926
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 1: a little different.

927
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Bo, it doesn't get hurt. I think it's

928
00:44:57,680 --> 00:44:59,280
Speaker 3: a whole different story that's being written.

929
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:02,479
Speaker 1: Absolutely if Bo Nicks is there, it's a completely different game.

930
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 1: In fact, everything else kind of remaining the same. Broncos

931
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:07,720
Speaker 1: with bow Knicks might win this by two scores.

932
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 4: I think it was Pat Tartan was retweeting, like retweeted

933
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 4: something that basically said it would have been different if

934
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 4: Poe Nicks was out there.

935
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,840
Speaker 1: I mean, he's not wrong. I mean just watching that

936
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 1: game and watching I don't know how many times I

937
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:21,279
Speaker 1: watched that game and rewatched that game even though it

938
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:24,399
Speaker 1: was gonna happen, and just yelling throw it away, just

939
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 1: like watching run, trying to be a hero. Man, just

940
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 1: throw it away.

941
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 5: Let's let's get virtual measurement full time next year.

942
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 1: By the way, because look.

943
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:37,840
Speaker 4: I thought Drake Maye was down, like he was fully

944
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 4: stopped moving before he got pushed. But you know, some

945
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:44,439
Speaker 4: some guy way older than me who was staying thirty

946
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:46,399
Speaker 4: yards away, was like, no, no, he got there.

947
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:49,400
Speaker 1: So he got there. I just got triggered.

948
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 3: But I'll save it for the next second.

949
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:56,280
Speaker 1: Not so triggered. On that note, We'll take a break,

950
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:58,839
Speaker 1: I'll come back. We dive into the NFC Championship Game,

951
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 1: which is obviously the much more exciting and interesting contest

952
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:03,839
Speaker 1: of the two. That's coming up next on the NFL

953
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 1: Fantasy Football program. All right, so now I look at

954
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 1: the AFC out of the way, let's talk about the

955
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 1: game that everybody you know was more looking forward to.

956
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 1: I again, I understand you have you feel a little

957
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 1: bit raw about this. I'm not. I'm not here to

958
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 1: poke at your team, but you know, hey, look man,

959
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 1: I had to I had to endure this. Florio had

960
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 1: to endure this. You gotta sit with this Seahawks thirty

961
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 1: one Rams twenty seven. Obviously, you know we'll have chance.

962
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 1: We'll have plenty of time to talk about the Seahawks

963
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 1: over the next couple of weeks, just like we'll have

964
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:42,719
Speaker 1: plenty of time to talk about the Patriots over the

965
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:45,360
Speaker 1: next couple of weeks. But for now, we kind of

966
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:46,760
Speaker 1: have to do a little bit of a quick post

967
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 1: mortem on the Rams. Lakwan you have been very steadfast

968
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:55,799
Speaker 1: in saying that Pukua Nakua is your one dot one.

969
00:46:57,160 --> 00:47:00,360
Speaker 1: I think that's a fair I think that's a fair analysis.

970
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 1: Is that based solely though, on Matthew Stafford returning in

971
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six?

972
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:09,879
Speaker 2: And do you think he returns in twenty twenty six?

973
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 3: Yes, Matthew Stafford himself said he plans on playing football

974
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:17,759
Speaker 3: next year. Sean McVay right at the game doubled down

975
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 3: basically saying, yes, he expects Matthew Stafford there. And I

976
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:24,759
Speaker 3: think with Matthew Stafford in an equation next year, how

977
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 3: can we not say Pooka's not at least the one

978
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 3: or two pick off the board. I mean, look at

979
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 3: the season he just had and it's like this can

980
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 3: continue on the same pieces are going to be there

981
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:38,959
Speaker 3: next year, the same offense, the same quarterback, the same

982
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 3: quarter the wide receiver on the other side in Devonte Adams,

983
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 3: and hopefully we added third. Like, there's gonna be more pieces,

984
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 3: there's gonna be more opportunities for Puka to go out

985
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:49,919
Speaker 3: there and be a wide receiver. One and one point

986
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:52,880
Speaker 3: one is not crazy. Like I see some folks online

987
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 3: like putting other names in a hat, like a JSN,

988
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 3: and I'm like, well, your situation may not be the

989
00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 3: same next year. Like when you say Justin Jefferson, who's

990
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 3: throwing him the ball? Because it's not the fake nine,

991
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 3: it's not the nine that you know you have in

992
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 3: your mind. Like, I just don't know who can compete

993
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:11,799
Speaker 3: for that other than a Bjeon Robinson, you know. So

994
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:16,880
Speaker 3: I think Matthew Stafford there one hundred makes Puca Nicola.

995
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:17,799
Speaker 1: Dot the one on one.

996
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 2: So this is where I push back a little bit.

997
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 1: And it's not because of Puka, It's it's the Stafford

998
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:32,399
Speaker 1: side of it. Matthew Stafford, at thirty seven years old,

999
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:36,880
Speaker 1: set a career high in touchdown passes at forty six.

1000
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 1: Only let me say, four other times, there have only

1001
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:46,919
Speaker 1: been four other instances where a quarterback age thirty seven

1002
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 1: or older threw more than forty touchdowns. Tom Brady did

1003
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:53,759
Speaker 1: it twice. He thinks he's did it back to back

1004
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 1: years at forty three and forty four. Forty three years

1005
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 1: only through forty touchdown passes forty three years old or

1006
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:05,319
Speaker 1: forty four years old in twenty twenty, Oney through forty three,

1007
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 1: every other guy who's done it now it hasn't been

1008
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:10,720
Speaker 1: a fall off a cliff, but it's been a step

1009
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 1: back to like thirty five touchdowns.

1010
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 2: You know, thirty touchdowns.

1011
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:18,839
Speaker 1: Not bad seasons at all, but that does have an

1012
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:23,279
Speaker 1: impact on the rest of the guys around you, especially

1013
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:26,879
Speaker 1: when Devonte the touchdown vulture Adams is catching all these

1014
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 1: short touchdown passes, touchdowns and touchdowns, sir. My pushback, My

1015
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 1: pushback on this is that I think Stafford, even if

1016
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 1: he has a good season, even if he doesn't need

1017
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 1: a bacchiotomy in the off season, we have the chamber,

1018
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 1: which again, they need to be advertising more. They need

1019
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:46,799
Speaker 1: to just be driving around. They need to just drive

1020
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 1: around every NFL stadium, just like showing off of their wares.

1021
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:54,480
Speaker 1: It's not for everybody, but my pushback is that expecting

1022
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:58,800
Speaker 1: Stafford at age thirty eight, a guy who does still

1023
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 1: have back issues, whether that the chamber is a thing,

1024
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 1: expecting him to go out and throw forty semidd touchdowns,

1025
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 1: especially if you're trying, unless you want him to throw

1026
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:11,800
Speaker 1: the ball six hundred and fifty times, which seems like malpractice.

1027
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 1: I think there's a little bit of a fallback for

1028
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford.

1029
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:18,400
Speaker 2: That's my pushback on that.

1030
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:20,799
Speaker 4: To add to that, And I don't want to sound

1031
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 4: like I'm piling on or anything, but while Marcus was Marcus,

1032
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 4: while you were talking, I went and I looked at.

1033
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:32,320
Speaker 5: Some of the late careers for some of the great quarterbacks.

1034
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:36,879
Speaker 5: Right Tom Brady I think should have won the MVP.

1035
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 4: In twenty twenty one, he threw for fifty three hundred

1036
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 4: yards forty three touchdowns. The next year was he was

1037
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 4: still pretty good, right, forty seven hundred yards, twenty five touchdowns,

1038
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 4: But it was a noticeable decline from one year to

1039
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 4: the next. Payton Manning his second to last year, he

1040
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:56,800
Speaker 4: threw for almost forty touchdowns. He had forty seven hundred yards.

1041
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 1: He was brutal.

1042
00:50:58,760 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 5: That next season.

1043
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 4: Aaron Rodgers literally won an MVP in twenty twenty one

1044
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 4: never was the same again. Ben Roethlisberger fell off a

1045
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:09,880
Speaker 4: cliff like that, So that it's something I say a

1046
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:12,360
Speaker 4: lot like football being such a physical game.

1047
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:13,920
Speaker 1: It's not like baseball.

1048
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 4: It's not like basketball where you kind of there's an

1049
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 4: age like a you kind of age gracefully for a

1050
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:23,880
Speaker 4: bit like football, like conatents to happen all at once.

1051
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 4: And I think Matthew Stafford played maybe arguably the best

1052
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 4: ball of his career easily I would say the best

1053
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:31,919
Speaker 4: ball of his Rams career this year.

1054
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 1: But just the fact that he is.

1055
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 4: That old and approaching forty, I'm always it's always going

1056
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 4: to be in my head, like what if that that

1057
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 4: fall off, Like it doesn't have to be huge, but

1058
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 4: what if next year instead of what was it forty

1059
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:47,240
Speaker 4: three touchdowns he finished.

1060
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:48,879
Speaker 1: With the forty six this year, forty six?

1061
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 4: What if next year in the regular season he throws

1062
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:55,440
Speaker 4: like twenty nine? Like that to me is concerning.

1063
00:51:56,080 --> 00:52:00,160
Speaker 1: Sorry, No, where do you have Stafford ranked right now

1064
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 1: amongst quarterbacks?

1065
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:05,239
Speaker 3: Them quarterbacks like fantasy wise.

1066
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 2: Fantasy wise, we'll get sick by the way.

1067
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 1: I know you put out your list of tiers of

1068
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:12,239
Speaker 1: real NFL Quarterbacks. We'll get to that on Thursday because

1069
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 1: we're not much else. I can't wait for that. Don't

1070
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:16,719
Speaker 1: got much else to talk about because it's gonna be

1071
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:18,239
Speaker 1: a dead period unless you guys want to talk about

1072
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:19,880
Speaker 1: Shad or Sanders in the Pro Bowl. I do not.

1073
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:23,799
Speaker 1: Huh So, where do you guys have fav Where do

1074
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 1: you have Stafford right among fantasy quarterbacks? Top twelve, top teve? Reasonable?

1075
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 1: All right? But like do you have a number like

1076
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:34,759
Speaker 1: because like there's there's one versus twelve, Like those are

1077
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 1: very different.

1078
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 5: He's not in the top seven. I'll tell for me

1079
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 5: at least I'll tell you that because for me, you.

1080
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 1: Can put these in in the order.

1081
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:46,239
Speaker 4: But I do think it's Alan Jackson, may Burrow, Daniel's

1082
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 4: Hurt Stark.

1083
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:49,280
Speaker 5: To me, those that's going to be my top seven.

1084
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:53,880
Speaker 1: Ooh, so I put you on my preliminary list I

1085
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:55,839
Speaker 1: got right now. I have Stafford at twelve.

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00:52:57,239 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 4: Which I think is fair, right, like in that tier

1087
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 4: with with like Prescott, Lawrence, uh maybe Brock, maybe Caleb.

1088
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 4: Like to me, I think that's a that's a because

1089
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:09,840
Speaker 4: you're you're incorporating the risk there, right, Like if we

1090
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:11,839
Speaker 4: knew he was going to be what he was this year.

1091
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:15,240
Speaker 4: Obviously he's top five, but you're incorporating some risk there.

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00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:18,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I got him at twelve right now, I

1093
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 1: would say twelve, it's reasonable.

1094
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:23,359
Speaker 3: I have him at eleven, like, I think that's where

1095
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 3: he should sit, respectfully with the regression, even though I

1096
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 3: think you guys are wrong, because Matthew Stafford is an alien.

1097
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:33,920
Speaker 3: He's made in the lab. Third he's made in the

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00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:38,400
Speaker 3: chamber this season. So I'll tell you that.

1099
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 1: That's what somebody yelled. That's what somebody yelled at me

1100
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:42,239
Speaker 1: every time I mentioned Christian McCaffrey.

1101
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:45,400
Speaker 3: First of all, you guys at work getting next to

1102
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 3: our pass, no man.

1103
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 1: But I mean, like, let's let's let's keep it a

1104
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 1: buck here, right. Since since Stafford left Detroit, his full

1105
00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 1: healthy seasons with the Rams. Yeah, the one season where

1106
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 1: he missed like half the season, right because of an injury.

1107
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:07,839
Speaker 1: Other than that, so twenty twenty one, when he first

1108
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 1: got there, he had an outlier season.

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00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:10,880
Speaker 2: He had forty touchdowns.

1110
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:12,799
Speaker 1: He also threw seventeen picks, but whatever, he had an

1111
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 1: outlier season the other season. Since then, he's been a

1112
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 1: fantasy QB too, And then this year he had an

1113
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 1: outlier season, like he's had two really outlier seasons, but

1114
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:27,799
Speaker 1: the majority of the time he's been a serviceable QB too.

1115
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:32,440
Speaker 5: That's like he threw more touchdowns this year than the

1116
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 5: last two years combined.

1117
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:36,839
Speaker 3: Right, Can we add some context between one outlier into

1118
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:39,760
Speaker 3: this last season's outlier. I mean, we have to account

1119
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 3: for Hey, Cooper Cup, you're not available, you're heard?

1120
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 1: Where are you at? Oh the old line.

1121
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:47,319
Speaker 3: We're picking guys up that worked at the movie theater

1122
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:50,600
Speaker 3: to come and block for Matthew Stafford. Matthew Stafford getting

1123
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:53,840
Speaker 3: injured himself with a neck pinch. Like all these things

1124
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:56,719
Speaker 3: collectively added up within that window where we got to

1125
00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 3: now where the pieces are finally set, we have a

1126
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 3: another two, we have an available to and therefore we

1127
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:05,800
Speaker 3: have a running game that is starting to thrive. Because

1128
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 3: even in that context, Kyron himself was hurt, Hickley was hurt,

1129
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 3: and we still lack the back seasons back. Yes, I do.

1130
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 3: I like him now. I like him now.

1131
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 1: My pushback on.

1132
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:19,520
Speaker 4: That would be, outside of Devonte missing a handful of games,

1133
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:20,680
Speaker 4: at the end of the year, you.

1134
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:25,960
Speaker 1: Guys stayed extremely healthy. Right, That's incredible. Milkary that's more rare.

1135
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:27,799
Speaker 5: Than any than not staying healthy. You know.

1136
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:31,880
Speaker 3: But that's why we took out congrats he's going to

1137
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:34,240
Speaker 3: the super Bowl. We took out the issue when Cooper

1138
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:37,360
Speaker 3: Cup was not on the field, throw the entire playbook away.

1139
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:40,320
Speaker 3: We do not have the time to try to develop

1140
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:42,879
Speaker 3: a Josh Reynolds going all the way back in time

1141
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:45,160
Speaker 3: or a to two at well with very limited time

1142
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 3: like this season showed us. We need to operating wide

1143
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:52,319
Speaker 3: receivers that can act as ones so the playbook can

1144
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 3: continue to thrive. When you take Pooka out of the equation,

1145
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:57,359
Speaker 3: when you take out of Cooper Cup, we're out there

1146
00:55:57,360 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 3: with guys that haven't played more than five snaps there

1147
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:02,320
Speaker 3: entire time they've been there. They've been on the practice

1148
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:05,320
Speaker 3: squad for most of the time. Like that's just literally

1149
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 3: what we had to deal with.

1150
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:10,920
Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford in his seventeen year career, has four seasons

1151
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 1: with thirty or more touchdown passes. I mean those are

1152
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:18,279
Speaker 1: outlier seasons generally, Matthew Stafford is a guy who's gonna

1153
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 1: get you twenty five to twenty nine thirty touchdowns. Like

1154
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 1: that's just who he is. He's been a volume shooter

1155
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:27,360
Speaker 1: for a lot of his career, those years in Detroit

1156
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 1: when he was throwing at six hundred times. I still

1157
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:31,719
Speaker 1: don't think you want that. If you're Sean McVay, you

1158
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:33,919
Speaker 1: don't want Matthew Stafford throwing the ball six hundred times.

1159
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 1: I just think I think he was amazing this year.

1160
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:38,239
Speaker 1: He's going to be the MVP. I will concede that

1161
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:40,400
Speaker 1: to you. I think if you're asking him to go

1162
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 1: forty seven hundred yards and forty six touchdowns next year,

1163
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:45,000
Speaker 1: I think you're gonna be hurt. I think your feel

1164
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:46,919
Speaker 1: is gonna be hurt. I think your quarterback's gonna be hurt.

1165
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:48,239
Speaker 1: But I still think it's gonna happen.

1166
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 4: You'll like DeVante is a year older, Puka stayed healthy

1167
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:55,040
Speaker 4: this year. I mean, like, look, I'm not saying they

1168
00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:56,640
Speaker 4: can't do that again next year, but.

1169
00:56:56,960 --> 00:56:58,160
Speaker 1: It's asking a lot man.

1170
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:01,640
Speaker 4: Literally four of the five teams that stayed healthiest this year.

1171
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:02,960
Speaker 5: We're playing for a championship.

1172
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:06,400
Speaker 3: So how do we take that pressure off? We get

1173
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:08,840
Speaker 3: our tight end in terre Ferguson more developed as a

1174
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:10,800
Speaker 3: bass catcher. That takes way off of Devon.

1175
00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:12,280
Speaker 2: Some more tight end screens.

1176
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:18,480
Speaker 3: No, No, DeVante Adams is older, but we've seen times

1177
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 3: where Devonte can show off when asked to making the

1178
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 3: amazing catch that he had in that Bears game. I

1179
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:27,800
Speaker 3: look at DeVante Adams as a distraction, as a veteran,

1180
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:30,400
Speaker 3: as a set piece that he's going to put fear

1181
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:33,240
Speaker 3: in defenders. So therefore he acts as a decoy where

1182
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:36,360
Speaker 3: somebody like Pokin Nicole, we see him thriving no matter

1183
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:38,360
Speaker 3: where you put him on the offense. If he's making

1184
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:40,400
Speaker 3: an impact in the run game, if he's running the

1185
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 3: ball hisself, that entity needs to live that way. Matthew

1186
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:46,160
Speaker 3: Stafford can go out there and throw for five hundred

1187
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 3: and fifty times more, I think with the right pieces

1188
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:51,560
Speaker 3: around him to keep him upright in the old line.

1189
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:53,919
Speaker 3: The run game still thriving. Now that we figure out

1190
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:56,000
Speaker 3: halfway through the season that it needs to be a

1191
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:58,360
Speaker 3: one to two punch. I don't see why he can't

1192
00:57:58,360 --> 00:57:59,960
Speaker 3: go out there and put up forty five hundred yards

1193
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:04,080
Speaker 3: thirty touchdowns. I think you are sure that's a big

1194
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:05,120
Speaker 3: fall off though.

1195
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:08,200
Speaker 1: But thirty touchdowns, especially in fantasy, you're talking about what

1196
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:11,280
Speaker 1: are you looking at sixty four points difference, that's a

1197
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:12,120
Speaker 1: huge fall off.

1198
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:13,680
Speaker 3: And we just put him in the top twelve. That's

1199
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:16,240
Speaker 3: still top twelve quality. If you're putting up forty five

1200
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:19,720
Speaker 3: and thirty touchdowns with very limited turnovers, I think that's

1201
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:21,320
Speaker 3: doable and that's serviceable.

1202
00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:23,720
Speaker 1: I think you're asking for a repeat of the magical season,

1203
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:24,800
Speaker 1: and that's always difficult.

1204
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:27,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't like chasing career years.

1205
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:29,920
Speaker 1: No, I'm not. Actually I think you are. I think

1206
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 1: you're you'reuse because forty five hundred yards and thirty touchdowns

1207
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:36,160
Speaker 1: is still the upper echelon of what his career bests are.

1208
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:38,920
Speaker 1: You're asking him at thirty eight years old to duplicate

1209
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:42,240
Speaker 1: a magical season. Not impossible, just not something I bank on.

1210
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:45,360
Speaker 3: But what if he has to do less with more pieces.

1211
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:47,000
Speaker 1: Prior to this year.

1212
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:48,760
Speaker 5: I mean twenty twenty one he threw forty.

1213
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:52,920
Speaker 4: Five and then before that it was twenty thirteen, we

1214
00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:55,360
Speaker 4: don't acknowledge Detroit anymore.

1215
00:58:55,520 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 3: What he'll retire, Ram, It's all right, Hall of Famer Ram.

1216
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:03,000
Speaker 4: Look, I have no problem taking him as like a

1217
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:05,919
Speaker 4: low en QB one, But I need someone else there too,

1218
00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:09,040
Speaker 4: right Like I cannot go in with just Matthew.

1219
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:12,680
Speaker 1: Stafford as my quarterback. Nobody did that this year. That's

1220
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:13,000
Speaker 1: the thing.

1221
00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:15,439
Speaker 3: Nobody did that this year. So I think him coming

1222
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 3: out the waiver wire in the first couple of weeks.

1223
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:19,200
Speaker 5: He's coming off of a very different season than he

1224
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:19,959
Speaker 5: was a year ago.

1225
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:22,720
Speaker 3: That's why it's our job to make sure the fantasy

1226
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:26,880
Speaker 3: streets understand. No, you don't chase last year's like production,

1227
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:29,400
Speaker 3: like you chase the actual reality of what you're sitting with.

1228
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:29,640
Speaker 1: Now.

1229
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:33,240
Speaker 3: Everything that we just explained Top twelve is still not crazy.

1230
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:36,000
Speaker 3: That's low en QB one. I'll take that if I'm

1231
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:38,040
Speaker 3: going to be stocking up on other rosters. But like

1232
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:41,440
Speaker 3: you said, he can't just be your only quarterback.

1233
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 1: On your roster. Matthew Stafford or Caleb Williams.

1234
00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:51,280
Speaker 3: That's not fair because you know Caleb is going to be.

1235
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:52,200
Speaker 2: What do you mean, it's not fair.

1236
00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:56,760
Speaker 1: They're in the same Killb's receivers. Kills receivers aren't going

1237
00:59:56,800 --> 01:00:00,000
Speaker 1: to be as good as Stafford's receivers.

1238
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:01,920
Speaker 3: His legs, so Caleb.

1239
01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:05,360
Speaker 1: By the way, Matthew Stafford doubled his rushing total in

1240
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 1: the game over on Sunday, he had a wind scramble.

1241
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:13,120
Speaker 1: He's scared the living the heck out of me. Bro

1242
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:16,640
Speaker 1: Go down.

1243
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:23,280
Speaker 4: I Oh my god, my couch Seford chushions in top twelve.

1244
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:25,919
Speaker 4: I don't think since twenty twenty one besides this year.

1245
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. He's been a solid QB two.

1246
01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:29,280
Speaker 4: Uh.

1247
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:30,640
Speaker 1: Anyway, we can go on for this frame. A couple

1248
01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:33,080
Speaker 1: of quick things'll get out of here. One Lakwan should

1249
01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:35,840
Speaker 1: Blake Kran be the RAMS RB one next year? No?

1250
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:39,000
Speaker 1: Absolutely not. Yes, I thought you were going to say yes.

1251
01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:41,160
Speaker 1: I really thought you know, yes. I absolutely thought you're

1252
01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:41,840
Speaker 1: gonna say yes.

1253
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:46,200
Speaker 3: I've been preaching on this pod and the Rams recap

1254
01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:52,439
Speaker 3: that there needs to be a one two bunch. So Hunter, Oh,

1255
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:56,920
Speaker 3: here we go. Dark Weise is coming. He's he's in

1256
01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:59,760
Speaker 3: the wing. He's just he's waiting for his turn. I

1257
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:02,680
Speaker 3: mean right now, he's doing special teams, healthy scratch street

1258
01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:05,920
Speaker 3: clothes for most of the season. But jarq Wes is developing.

1259
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:07,680
Speaker 3: I like when we get running backs like him that

1260
01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:10,560
Speaker 3: are hungry, they have the talent. He's developing. It'll be

1261
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:11,960
Speaker 3: his turn later on.

1262
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:14,640
Speaker 1: All right, another week piece of news as we get

1263
01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:17,720
Speaker 1: out of here. This just came across my skyline. The

1264
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:22,680
Speaker 1: Jets are parting ways with OC Tanner. Ingstron, So yeah,

1265
01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:27,080
Speaker 1: Tanner Ingstron is out of a job. The Jets will

1266
01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:29,720
Speaker 1: have to find a new offensive coordinator.

1267
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:31,160
Speaker 2: So there you go.

1268
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:35,040
Speaker 4: I don't want to interesting poke fun at the most

1269
01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:36,680
Speaker 4: down bad franchise there is.

1270
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:39,320
Speaker 5: But they're doing the opposite of what the Bills did,

1271
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:39,920
Speaker 5: right Like.

1272
01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:42,200
Speaker 4: The Bills are like, we're gonna cut the head off

1273
01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:44,600
Speaker 4: the snake and keep everyone else there. The Jets are

1274
01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:47,000
Speaker 4: like Aaron Glenn, just a year ago, you had picked

1275
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:53,360
Speaker 4: all of these coaches and like justin fields and nothing

1276
01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:56,080
Speaker 4: worked at all, But we're gonna let you rebuild it again.

1277
01:01:56,760 --> 01:01:59,160
Speaker 1: So basically, the Bills cut the head off a snake,

1278
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:00,960
Speaker 1: the Jets are picking legs off a spider.

1279
01:02:01,120 --> 01:02:02,760
Speaker 2: Is that kind of how we're doing with this right now?

1280
01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:04,040
Speaker 1: Do they grow it back?

1281
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:05,360
Speaker 2: I don't doubt it.

1282
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:05,920
Speaker 5: No.

1283
01:02:06,560 --> 01:02:10,280
Speaker 4: Actually, they deal with those injuries the rest of their life.

1284
01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:12,439
Speaker 1: Oh wow, have you heard the bug?

1285
01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:15,680
Speaker 2: They live like that now? Oh damn.

1286
01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:17,040
Speaker 5: So I don't hurt bugs.

1287
01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:18,760
Speaker 1: I try not to, at least I feel like you're

1288
01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:20,800
Speaker 1: a spider with no legs, you probably don't live very.

1289
01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:23,680
Speaker 4: Long apparently too, if you I do do this. I

1290
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:25,440
Speaker 4: kicked them out of my house, like I won't kill them,

1291
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:27,520
Speaker 4: but I'll catch them. And people are like, well they

1292
01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:28,840
Speaker 4: just die outside, and I'm like, look.

1293
01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:33,280
Speaker 1: I'm giving them a chance, all right. Right. My attitude

1294
01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:35,960
Speaker 1: with bugs is if you're outside, like I'll leave you

1295
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:37,800
Speaker 1: be run your turf. Like if you come in the house,

1296
01:02:37,840 --> 01:02:41,919
Speaker 1: then we got to fight my turf, now, buddy, Right,

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Speaker 1: if you're outside, I'll let you do your thing. That's

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Speaker 1: your house. It's like, I'm not gonna come into your

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Speaker 1: house and just start kicking you around.

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Speaker 2: But you come inside, then it's on like Donalkey Kong.

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Speaker 1: All right. That's all I got on tannering Strom, because

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Speaker 1: I mean, until they hire somebody, what does their say

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Speaker 1: it was so bad? You had to like it was bad?

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Speaker 1: It was bad? Free Breeze Hall Free Garrett Wilson.

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Speaker 3: Is he part of the Ben Jonson tree or do

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Speaker 3: they just not going to acknowledge that, like how I

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Speaker 3: do Zach Taylor.

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Speaker 1: I guess he would be part of the Dan Campbell tree. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think that's more more accurate, gotcha, it's more accurate.

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Speaker 1: All right. I'll be back on Thursday. We'll make up

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Speaker 1: some things to argue about, because I don't want to

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Speaker 1: talk about the pro Bowl, Yes you do.

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Speaker 2: I mean I have thoughts on the Pro Bowl, but

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Speaker 2: I'll wait till Thursday.

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Speaker 4: For the second best quarterback alive. That's what we're going

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Speaker 4: to talk about.

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Speaker 1: See you guys just want to argue all day.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to do that. I like you guys.

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Speaker 1: I don't.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to be triggered. I don't want to

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Speaker 3: crash out.

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Speaker 1: I like you guys. It's a good son good I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't.

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Speaker 2: I think that was second argument is a conversation. It's

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Speaker 2: a discussion anyway.

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Speaker 1: Nope, stick around Thursday for that.

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Speaker 2: In the meantime that.

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Speaker 1: I'll do it for this edition of the NFL Fantasy

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Speaker 1: Football Podcast. Stay happy, stay safe, stay healthy, please do good,

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Speaker 1: and please live well. We'll talk again on Thursday. Wom