WEBVTT - It Could Happen Here Weekly 49 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:02.680 Hey, everybody, Robert Evans here and I wanted to let 0:00:02.720 --> 0:00:06.400 you know this is a compilation episode. So every episode 0:00:06.480 --> 0:00:09.600 of the week that just happened is here in one 0:00:09.680 --> 0:00:13.440 convenient and with somewhat less ads package for you to 0:00:13.480 --> 0:00:15.960 listen to in a long stretch if you want. If 0:00:16.000 --> 0:00:17.919 you've been listening to the episodes every day this week, 0:00:17.960 --> 0:00:20.119 there's gonna be nothing new here for you, but you 0:00:20.160 --> 0:00:27.600 can make your own decisions. Hi. Everyone, this is Sharene 0:00:27.720 --> 0:00:29.920 and you're listening to it can happen here? It could. 0:00:30.040 --> 0:00:31.880 I always mess up the name of this podcast, and 0:00:31.920 --> 0:00:34.680 it's really embarrassing because I work on it. It could 0:00:34.720 --> 0:00:38.000 happen here. Um, not the same words to me in 0:00:38.040 --> 0:00:41.120 my head though. Anyway. We're joined today by guess that 0:00:41.200 --> 0:00:43.920 I previously had on the podcast that I co host, 0:00:43.960 --> 0:00:48.160 Ethnically Ambiguous, and she has a podcast coming out that 0:00:48.320 --> 0:00:51.839 is super important and I'm excited to talk about what 0:00:51.880 --> 0:00:56.120 it's a as itself. Joining me today are Garrison and 0:00:56.200 --> 0:01:03.560 Chris and our guest nasse Hi. Hello, Hello, welcome, thank you, 0:01:04.120 --> 0:01:06.479 Welcome to the show. So you're you have a new 0:01:06.520 --> 0:01:14.240 podcast called Partition. Explain what that's about? Yes, So Partition 0:01:14.319 --> 0:01:17.280 tells the story of the separation of India and the 0:01:17.319 --> 0:01:22.080 formation of Pakistan that took place in on Monday, well, 0:01:22.200 --> 0:01:25.600 Sunday Monday, because I happened at midnight, celebrated its seventy 0:01:26.120 --> 0:01:31.000 anniversary this year. Um. So it's quite a large event 0:01:31.080 --> 0:01:33.880 that most people don't really know about. I myself didn't 0:01:33.880 --> 0:01:38.240 really know the specif I first went back to Pakistan 0:01:38.680 --> 0:01:43.520 where I was born and Cratchy um. But basically Britain 0:01:43.640 --> 0:01:46.440 was like, hey, we're out of money, we can't control 0:01:46.560 --> 0:01:51.600 India anymore, We're gonna leave. And in that process they 0:01:51.600 --> 0:01:55.880 were going to trans for the power UH to India 0:01:55.920 --> 0:01:58.000 and they were gonna they were going to have independence. 0:01:58.200 --> 0:02:01.600 And then all these other politicians kind of came in 0:02:01.640 --> 0:02:07.200 the picture and wanted their own personal agendas and UH 0:02:07.400 --> 0:02:12.359 Pakistan um dominion while India would be the Hindu Sikh dominion. 0:02:12.480 --> 0:02:15.520 And basically within this process it was such a rushed 0:02:16.000 --> 0:02:20.320 job that fourteen million people were uprooted, wanted two million 0:02:20.320 --> 0:02:24.960 people died, you know. Um. The boundary line actually a 0:02:24.960 --> 0:02:28.440 few days after independence happened, so no one knew like 0:02:28.600 --> 0:02:33.680 what where they were in what country. Um. So it 0:02:33.760 --> 0:02:36.440 was just like a lot of confusion, a lot of violence, 0:02:36.480 --> 0:02:39.560 a lot of just a lot of mess that happened, 0:02:39.800 --> 0:02:43.120 and a lot of the survivors are quite old now. 0:02:43.320 --> 0:02:46.079 My grandfather's a survivor. He's four He was fourteen when 0:02:46.120 --> 0:02:49.120 it happened, so he's eighty nine now. And so the 0:02:49.120 --> 0:02:51.200 only way we can really get these stories or through 0:02:51.480 --> 0:02:54.640 oral histories. And I never really learned about it in school. 0:02:55.200 --> 0:02:58.080 And because i'm parents again, like I said, I didn't 0:02:58.080 --> 0:03:00.160 really know about it for a long time. So if 0:03:00.200 --> 0:03:02.360 I don't know about it, um, and this is like 0:03:02.440 --> 0:03:07.560 my history and my family, UM, I'm sure there are 0:03:07.600 --> 0:03:10.360 many other people who don't know about it. Well. I 0:03:10.400 --> 0:03:14.960 definitely was very uninformed before you came onto the other podcast. 0:03:15.040 --> 0:03:18.480 Ethnically ambiguous because it sounds like I'm plugging it, but 0:03:18.520 --> 0:03:23.880 I'm not. Um, but also go listen to it. Thanks, 0:03:23.960 --> 0:03:26.600 I appreciate that. But but no, I do think it's 0:03:26.600 --> 0:03:34.480 really important because it's absurd the huge like kept out 0:03:34.560 --> 0:03:36.840 of what we were taught in history class, if you 0:03:36.840 --> 0:03:40.880 can even call it that. Um. But but yeah, I 0:03:40.880 --> 0:03:44.480 think it's really important to know about this huge thing 0:03:44.520 --> 0:03:50.200 that happened in our recent history that created these two. Um, 0:03:50.320 --> 0:03:54.360 can you tell us what the process was making this 0:03:54.400 --> 0:03:57.160 podcast for you and like what research you did, and 0:03:57.200 --> 0:04:00.760 we like just the steps leading up to it. Yeah. 0:04:00.920 --> 0:04:05.920 So I originally wanted to make this UM story into 0:04:06.560 --> 0:04:11.000 a limited narrative series, but I didn't really know how 0:04:11.040 --> 0:04:14.960 that would happen UM and I Agent or anything like that. 0:04:15.000 --> 0:04:16.800 But it was just a project I wanted to work on. 0:04:17.120 --> 0:04:19.320 But it's such a vast event. I was like, I 0:04:19.360 --> 0:04:22.880 don't know, like where I would even start. Um. And 0:04:22.880 --> 0:04:25.560 then a couple of months later, I saw um that 0:04:25.640 --> 0:04:28.880 our Heart Radio was creating a program called Next Up. 0:04:29.839 --> 0:04:32.800 And that's when the idea for the podcast came along, 0:04:32.920 --> 0:04:35.919 and I was like, you know, podcasts are a really 0:04:35.920 --> 0:04:40.279 good way for people to digest information. UM. It's a 0:04:40.279 --> 0:04:42.839 lot more accessible, I think than other forms of media. 0:04:42.920 --> 0:04:46.839 It doesn't cost any money, uh that in a number 0:04:46.839 --> 0:04:49.839 of ways. You can listen to it a number of ways. UM. 0:04:50.120 --> 0:04:53.880 So I thought that might be a good place to start, 0:04:54.080 --> 0:04:56.799 and I ended up getting accepted into the program. And 0:04:57.080 --> 0:04:59.880 it's it's still like a lot of work, and it's 0:04:59.880 --> 0:05:04.040 a lot of just a lot of draining work, um 0:05:04.080 --> 0:05:06.919 because you have all these like horrible facts written in 0:05:07.000 --> 0:05:11.039 like one Google dog that you're saying to people because 0:05:11.080 --> 0:05:14.680 I outlined them, and then I write a script because 0:05:14.720 --> 0:05:18.560 it's mostly a lot of my narration with it. But 0:05:18.800 --> 0:05:21.960 the first thing I did is, Um, I talked to family. 0:05:22.040 --> 0:05:23.960 I talked to my grandpa. I talked to my great 0:05:23.960 --> 0:05:27.520 aunt who was actually born the day of independence. Um. Yeah, 0:05:27.600 --> 0:05:31.200 so Sunday Monday, but just in case the day is 0:05:31.240 --> 0:05:36.240 not fifteen. So this year it happened to be a 0:05:36.279 --> 0:05:39.159 Sunday in a Monday, and you know, so I asked 0:05:39.160 --> 0:05:42.039 her what stories people told her? I asked my mom. 0:05:42.680 --> 0:05:44.800 We went to an exhibit in Pakistan that's kind of 0:05:44.800 --> 0:05:48.080 what spurred everything for partition for me, and we talked 0:05:48.120 --> 0:05:52.119 about there. I had like my dad do some voice 0:05:52.120 --> 0:05:55.680 over for my grandpa because the our connection wasn't the best. 0:05:55.720 --> 0:05:59.279 He's in Pakistan. We recorded it via WhatsApp on a 0:05:59.360 --> 0:06:03.160 pad track recorder and it's it was like it's very 0:06:03.240 --> 0:06:06.840 loud over there. There's you know. Instantly, it was just 0:06:06.880 --> 0:06:10.280 like a it was a situation. Um. But I just 0:06:10.320 --> 0:06:12.880 started reading books and then I started talking to a 0:06:12.880 --> 0:06:15.279 lot of people, and I ended up talking to an 0:06:15.320 --> 0:06:18.479 author named Nisida Jerry, whose book I referenced quite a 0:06:18.480 --> 0:06:23.679 bit in the second episode, which drops twenty two. And 0:06:24.080 --> 0:06:27.240 you know, the first thing he told me was you 0:06:27.320 --> 0:06:30.960 can't cover everything. So once you understand that that's going 0:06:31.040 --> 0:06:32.400 to be the case, and it's going to be a 0:06:32.400 --> 0:06:35.040 lot easier, and it's true, like you can't cover everything. 0:06:35.760 --> 0:06:39.160 And I kind of struggle narrative I wanted to tell 0:06:39.360 --> 0:06:43.080 because so many of the stories out there are very biased. 0:06:43.080 --> 0:06:44.760 There's a lot of you know, like the great men 0:06:44.760 --> 0:06:48.800 in history stories which I don't care about, and I 0:06:48.880 --> 0:06:51.960 just wanted to tell the facts. But I quickly discovered 0:06:52.000 --> 0:06:55.600 that's really hard. My history, this is my story. This 0:06:55.640 --> 0:06:59.920 is something that impacts my family for um future to 0:07:00.000 --> 0:07:06.240 generations and my identity without a doubt. So I was like, 0:07:06.560 --> 0:07:11.080 let me kind of do it with the lens of disguise. UM. 0:07:11.160 --> 0:07:14.640 And I wanted to tell the stories that people don't 0:07:15.280 --> 0:07:18.400 really hear about. So I didn't want to talk about 0:07:18.440 --> 0:07:22.160 like meetings that happened in libraries and whatever between like 0:07:22.160 --> 0:07:24.840 all these politicians. I literally don't care about that. But 0:07:25.880 --> 0:07:28.920 out um, the way women were treated. It is thought 0:07:28.960 --> 0:07:32.960 that seventy to a hundred thousand women were raped, abducted, murdered. 0:07:33.480 --> 0:07:35.760 I wanted to talk about. I wanted to talk to 0:07:35.920 --> 0:07:40.400 artists and creatives who had kind of like a reckoning 0:07:40.640 --> 0:07:44.400 with and then use their work to teach people about it. 0:07:44.480 --> 0:07:48.360 So an artist who reframes the narrative with her pieces 0:07:49.040 --> 0:07:52.640 and talks about the actual people it affected. A filmmaker, 0:07:53.080 --> 0:07:58.960 oral historians, uh, survivors, um that I wanted to tell. 0:07:59.040 --> 0:08:03.000 I didn't want it to be um something you would 0:08:03.040 --> 0:08:05.240 get like on the History Channel, which is totally fine, 0:08:05.360 --> 0:08:07.400 that's great, there's an audience for that. But that just 0:08:07.480 --> 0:08:12.440 isn't something that I wanted to do. You're not doing 0:08:12.440 --> 0:08:17.160 a whole bunch. No. I did watch an episode of 0:08:17.200 --> 0:08:19.920 Doctor Who that talks about partition, and I think there 0:08:19.920 --> 0:08:24.160 were like aliens or something in there. There is something 0:08:25.000 --> 0:08:29.920 thrown in there about some sci fi stuff though they 0:08:29.960 --> 0:08:33.000 did just see how Doctor Who handles partition. I mean 0:08:33.000 --> 0:08:35.679 it was actually done really well. It was written by Yeah, 0:08:35.679 --> 0:08:38.880 it was written by South Asian person and so that 0:08:38.960 --> 0:08:42.160 was like the first uh thing that I saw in 0:08:42.240 --> 0:08:48.040 my research that really case, like the emotion and and 0:08:48.080 --> 0:08:51.000 the things that people went through. And I didn't see 0:08:51.000 --> 0:08:54.040 any British people besides like the people that originally came 0:08:54.040 --> 0:08:57.079 on the mission or whatever. So that was nice. Um. 0:08:57.200 --> 0:08:59.600 But yeah, like there there was a sci fi element. 0:08:59.600 --> 0:09:05.120 I can't what that side. It was actually something that 0:09:05.520 --> 0:09:08.680 um that people told me about. When I mentioned partition, 0:09:08.720 --> 0:09:10.680 They're like, oh, there's this episode of Doctor Who. So 0:09:10.720 --> 0:09:13.480 I've only seen that one episode, but I think it 0:09:13.920 --> 0:09:16.319 in the in my research. It was the first thing 0:09:16.320 --> 0:09:21.840 where I was like, this actually tells a perspective from 0:09:22.240 --> 0:09:25.880 the people of South Asia. Let's get to know it 0:09:25.920 --> 0:09:27.720 was written by a South Asian person. At first, I 0:09:27.760 --> 0:09:32.240 was like, I'm not even going to touch that. Yeah, 0:09:32.520 --> 0:09:40.280 up next Stephen Moffatt writes about apartheiz, so I'm curious 0:09:41.440 --> 0:09:44.800 not including like including some things but not other things. 0:09:44.800 --> 0:09:48.240 What what like how did you decide what to include 0:09:48.240 --> 0:09:52.520 and what not to include? Yeah, so no way you 0:09:52.559 --> 0:09:56.040 can say, like the actual history is maybe the least 0:09:56.080 --> 0:09:59.120 important part I think of the podcast. Like I talked 0:09:59.160 --> 0:10:02.480 about like events like there's something called direct Action Day 0:10:02.600 --> 0:10:06.719 that happened about a year before the boundary line was announced. 0:10:06.840 --> 0:10:11.079 Uh Mohammad A Legiona, the future founder of Pakistan, kind 0:10:11.120 --> 0:10:14.680 of called on Muslims to be to to kind of 0:10:14.800 --> 0:10:17.800 uh have demonstrations, but it was kind of unclear what 0:10:17.880 --> 0:10:23.959 exactly that meant. And massive looting carnage took place and 0:10:23.960 --> 0:10:26.600 how that was like a big catalyst for a partition. 0:10:27.320 --> 0:10:31.480 But I didn't want to like get into like this 0:10:31.679 --> 0:10:35.480 treaty and this event and like this meeting and whatever, 0:10:35.520 --> 0:10:38.559 because that information is out there if people want to know. 0:10:39.840 --> 0:10:43.320 I mentioned, that's not really the aspects UM that I 0:10:43.480 --> 0:10:47.440 took particular interest in. I wanted to talk about women 0:10:47.679 --> 0:10:52.360 and survivors and just you know, I felt I found 0:10:52.360 --> 0:10:54.280 it to be very common people who are my age 0:10:54.320 --> 0:10:58.760 and I just turned UM, I guess millennials you could say, um, 0:10:58.840 --> 0:11:01.520 their parents and only don't talk to them about it. 0:11:01.600 --> 0:11:03.520 So it's been really interesting to talk to people who 0:11:03.520 --> 0:11:05.240 are my age, who are older than me, who are 0:11:05.280 --> 0:11:09.520 younger than me, have very similar experiences and how they 0:11:09.600 --> 0:11:13.599 found out about this information. M. So those are the 0:11:13.679 --> 0:11:16.839 kind of things I wanted to focus on because you know, 0:11:17.280 --> 0:11:21.640 a lot of our stories uh from minority communities UM 0:11:21.679 --> 0:11:25.120 that are out there in like mainstream media, are rarely 0:11:25.160 --> 0:11:31.760 told from our perspectives, and so I wanted I wanted 0:11:31.800 --> 0:11:35.280 this story to come from me and from other people 0:11:35.440 --> 0:11:40.600 who UM have just different experiences with partition, whether they 0:11:40.640 --> 0:11:44.320 lived through it, whether they're an oral historian, but they 0:11:44.440 --> 0:11:47.040 write a fictional novel about it to cope with their trauma, 0:11:47.120 --> 0:11:49.040 which I interviewed a woman who did do that. She 0:11:49.160 --> 0:11:52.240 was four years old when it happened, and she disassociated 0:11:52.280 --> 0:11:55.240 herself a lot with partition until she wrote about until 0:11:55.280 --> 0:12:00.200 she wrote about it in this fictionalized novel. UM, and 0:12:00.240 --> 0:12:02.520 I wanted to talk about what forms of media were 0:12:02.559 --> 0:12:04.120 also out there, which is why I watched that Doctor 0:12:04.120 --> 0:12:06.440 Who episode. I also watched Gandhi three hours of my 0:12:06.480 --> 0:12:10.320 life I'm never going to get back. Um terrible, so 0:12:10.679 --> 0:12:13.440 not great? Um, you know, I love Richard Adinborough like 0:12:13.640 --> 0:12:18.640 Dresser Park is great, but this wasn't it. Um, So 0:12:19.360 --> 0:12:23.439 I wanted to I wanted to point people in that 0:12:23.600 --> 0:12:26.800 direction where if you actually wanted to dig deeper into 0:12:26.880 --> 0:12:30.680 this information, like here's where you should go, Like don't 0:12:32.040 --> 0:12:34.800 d um, like don't watch I mean I love the Crown, 0:12:35.000 --> 0:12:36.800 but I mean like let's be real, like you know, 0:12:36.920 --> 0:12:41.160 like if they mentioned I think India. Once in the 0:12:41.240 --> 0:12:45.440 pilot episode, um where and it took place about three 0:12:45.480 --> 0:12:49.520 months after partition happened. Up it's getting married to Queen 0:12:49.559 --> 0:12:54.199 Elizabeth and um what's his name? Once in Churchill is 0:12:54.280 --> 0:12:57.280 walking and he sees Lord mount Batten who was tasked 0:12:57.600 --> 0:13:02.199 with the separation of India, who was also Prince Philip's uncle, 0:13:02.679 --> 0:13:07.120 and Chill goes, oh, that's the man who gave India away, 0:13:07.240 --> 0:13:10.199 and I'm like, that's not really what happened, but okay, 0:13:10.240 --> 0:13:13.440 and that's the only thing that they say. Um. But 0:13:13.600 --> 0:13:15.600 I do love period dramas and I do love Corgis, 0:13:15.600 --> 0:13:18.319 which is one of the main reasons I watched The Crown. Um. 0:13:18.360 --> 0:13:21.760 But yeah, wait, sorry, one back is the guy who 0:13:21.760 --> 0:13:23.720 got whacked for the I r A in the seventies, right, 0:13:24.040 --> 0:13:30.400 yes Jesus, yes, yeah, I actually didn't know that until 0:13:30.440 --> 0:13:34.400 I was the Crown so uh, you know, um, because 0:13:34.400 --> 0:13:38.240 again that was into him and his history. I don't care. 0:13:38.880 --> 0:13:42.000 I ended up seeing it in the crowd. Um. Yeah. 0:13:42.200 --> 0:13:46.200 So I just I really wanted to focus on South 0:13:46.280 --> 0:13:52.360 Asians and like our story and working through how drama 0:13:52.600 --> 0:13:58.040 is and kind of reclaiming our narrative with um just 0:13:58.200 --> 0:14:02.080 kind of the truth. And you know, something that popped 0:14:02.160 --> 0:14:04.360 up when I was creating kind of getting deeper into 0:14:04.400 --> 0:14:06.400 the podcast was Miss Marvel. I knew it was going 0:14:06.440 --> 0:14:09.320 to follow him most great, but I didn't know that 0:14:09.320 --> 0:14:11.560 they would talk about partition and how that was like 0:14:11.559 --> 0:14:14.080 a major plot point and so people are starting to 0:14:14.120 --> 0:14:17.320 learn about the history because of that show, which is amazing. Um. 0:14:17.480 --> 0:14:19.440 So if I can kind of add on to that 0:14:19.560 --> 0:14:25.160 and expand um people's education. Something else I also wanted 0:14:25.200 --> 0:14:28.160 to do was I want people to have empathy and 0:14:28.160 --> 0:14:32.520 sympathy for immigrants and refugees, especially once that don't look 0:14:32.560 --> 0:14:36.760 like them, um, because we come in all colors and sizes, 0:14:36.880 --> 0:14:41.880 and you know, I think their response to Ukraine, Ukrainian 0:14:41.920 --> 0:14:44.520 refugees and the UK was great, but I don't really 0:14:44.520 --> 0:14:48.440 think that same courtesy was extended to refugees from Syria. 0:14:48.600 --> 0:14:52.240 And I think that's really important because I'm an immigrant. 0:14:52.240 --> 0:14:53.880 It took quite a long time for me to become 0:14:53.880 --> 0:14:59.040 a citizen so um, and it's very hard and it's 0:14:59.040 --> 0:15:01.480 something that people don't know about, and so I just 0:15:01.560 --> 0:15:03.960 kind of want I want people to care about things 0:15:04.000 --> 0:15:08.360 that don't directly affect them, which I think is very 0:15:08.440 --> 0:15:13.280 much like an American rooted thing. So I really I mean, 0:15:13.320 --> 0:15:15.120 I don't think my podcast is going to change that, 0:15:15.240 --> 0:15:18.640 but if I can, but if people can look outside themselves, 0:15:19.480 --> 0:15:25.479 um with this, I think that would be really great. Yeah. 0:15:25.600 --> 0:15:28.560 I was wondering what do you actually think about the 0:15:28.640 --> 0:15:34.560 way that I smartvil like, did they talked about partition? 0:15:34.600 --> 0:15:37.280 Because I saw a lot of I don't know, I 0:15:37.280 --> 0:15:42.760 saw a lot of conflicting sort of a yeah. So 0:15:43.400 --> 0:15:51.920 I liked it, UM, but I'm also I think worriedy 0:15:51.960 --> 0:15:55.440 and you see something that has affected you in your 0:15:55.440 --> 0:16:00.239 family or has oppressed you, you expect this art form 0:16:00.240 --> 0:16:07.000 to talk about every single thing. You know, UM writ 0:16:07.080 --> 0:16:10.440 and that we bear as creative artists of color that 0:16:10.520 --> 0:16:12.280 if we don't talk about every single thing that's the 0:16:12.360 --> 0:16:15.960 Presidi community, then it's not worth our time. It's kind 0:16:15.960 --> 0:16:20.240 of like the mantra that we have UM. And for me, 0:16:20.320 --> 0:16:23.520 I'm like, this show is six episodes, Like you know, 0:16:23.600 --> 0:16:26.120 you need to understand that that is not something that 0:16:26.320 --> 0:16:29.960 they can encapsulate in there while talking about all these 0:16:29.960 --> 0:16:32.400 other things. So I think it does a really good 0:16:32.440 --> 0:16:36.040 job capturing emotion. UM. I feel a lot of times 0:16:36.040 --> 0:16:40.760 you get the partition story from people, UM who are 0:16:40.800 --> 0:16:42.760 currently in India. So it was nice to see people 0:16:42.800 --> 0:16:45.760 from Pakistan, UM like, and they're from Grati just like 0:16:45.800 --> 0:16:48.520 I am. And I found it, you know, like every 0:16:48.560 --> 0:16:51.640 episode just made me just crying more I'm also very 0:16:51.640 --> 0:16:55.960 sensitive and so I would just um, you know, there 0:16:56.040 --> 0:16:58.800 was there was a particular scene where Gamala is talking 0:16:58.800 --> 0:17:03.040 to her her nanni which means grandmother, and her grandmother 0:17:03.200 --> 0:17:06.719 is like, my passport says Pakistan, but my roots are 0:17:06.720 --> 0:17:10.000 in India. And I really felt that because I was 0:17:11.119 --> 0:17:14.200 my parents were born in Pakistan, but all other generations 0:17:14.200 --> 0:17:17.080 were born in India, and that is a place. Because 0:17:17.080 --> 0:17:20.760 of how tense the borders are between these countries, I 0:17:20.760 --> 0:17:23.800 will not get to visit for the foreseeable future. If 0:17:23.840 --> 0:17:25.760 you are born in Pakistan, you are not allowed to 0:17:25.760 --> 0:17:28.800 go to India. You're not allowed to go to Pakistan. 0:17:29.560 --> 0:17:32.760 And it's just crazy because I'm like, well that's where 0:17:32.800 --> 0:17:38.200 I came from in a sense, you know. Um, so 0:17:38.280 --> 0:17:40.040 for me, just because like I said, I am a 0:17:40.040 --> 0:17:45.840 sensitive person. Like the emotion, you know, the people going 0:17:45.880 --> 0:17:48.800 on trains that you know, that is something that I 0:17:48.840 --> 0:17:50.560 talked about a lot in my podcast. A lot of 0:17:50.560 --> 0:17:53.920 people experienced or read about. Um, a lot of people 0:17:53.960 --> 0:17:56.320 were hoping to get on trains and when they tried, 0:17:56.880 --> 0:18:01.119 those trains came, We're filled with bodies and not people 0:18:01.119 --> 0:18:03.840 who are alive. And so I think it did a 0:18:03.840 --> 0:18:06.680 good job capturing the emotion. But it's like you, there's 0:18:06.720 --> 0:18:08.959 just no way you can capture the complexity of that 0:18:09.040 --> 0:18:12.439 event with that. Even with my podcast it's ten episodes, 0:18:12.880 --> 0:18:16.840 and like NISSID, you just can't cover everything, so you 0:18:16.880 --> 0:18:19.720 have to pick and choose what you want. And also 0:18:20.440 --> 0:18:25.240 like it's as an artist like for me, for me specifically, 0:18:25.280 --> 0:18:28.320 it's like I want to give you like the crumbs 0:18:28.359 --> 0:18:32.800 of something and then I want look into it more, right, 0:18:32.960 --> 0:18:36.040 Like I shouldn't have to force feed you information. I 0:18:36.080 --> 0:18:38.440 should keep you intrigued enough for you don't want to 0:18:38.440 --> 0:18:41.040 look at this information on your own, you know. So 0:18:41.119 --> 0:18:43.800 like that's how I how I see it. But I 0:18:43.840 --> 0:18:45.800 am in a little bit of a different position because 0:18:47.080 --> 0:18:50.000 M and TV, like I programmed several film festivals and 0:18:50.080 --> 0:18:52.359 things like that, so I'm almost also looking through that 0:18:52.400 --> 0:18:55.920 with that kind of I um, but like I can 0:18:56.000 --> 0:18:58.280 understand people are like, oh, I wish they talked about this. 0:18:58.280 --> 0:19:01.520 I wish they talked about this, but you know, you know, 0:19:02.920 --> 0:19:05.240 I'm just like old six episodes. They have to do 0:19:05.280 --> 0:19:07.800 all this exposition, they have to do this, that's just impossible. 0:19:07.920 --> 0:19:10.439 But people aren't thinking that way. But I think it 0:19:10.680 --> 0:19:14.120 really captured the emotion and the trauma of that event 0:19:14.280 --> 0:19:20.359 and how how um sad did it? Um because it 0:19:20.480 --> 0:19:22.440 is sad to be like I'll never get to see 0:19:22.440 --> 0:19:24.960 where my great grandparents lived or my grandparents because they 0:19:25.000 --> 0:19:29.520 were children, you know, at least until they decide that's 0:19:29.560 --> 0:19:33.400 not the case anymore. Um. But yeah, I can understand 0:19:33.440 --> 0:19:37.280 people's but I think for me personally, I thought it 0:19:37.320 --> 0:19:41.080 did a really good job. And actually, uh, the woman 0:19:41.200 --> 0:19:43.679 who created the exhibit that I saw in Pakistan that 0:19:43.720 --> 0:19:46.680 really spearheaded this whole thing for me actually directed episodes 0:19:46.720 --> 0:19:49.760 four and five of Miss Marvel, so, which is really cool. 0:19:51.480 --> 0:19:53.040 That was another thing I guess I sort of wanted 0:19:53.119 --> 0:19:56.080 to ask about was like, what was the process of 0:19:56.119 --> 0:19:59.280 doing this? Like emotionally, I know I did a I 0:19:59.280 --> 0:20:01.960 wound up doing somewhat similar things for a couple of 0:20:02.000 --> 0:20:05.760 episodes about two and like talking to my family about 0:20:05.760 --> 0:20:07.119 what it was like in China was just like and 0:20:07.280 --> 0:20:08.840 like just doing the sort of our coup of reefers, 0:20:08.840 --> 0:20:11.280 which just like brutal, and yeah, I want to know 0:20:11.359 --> 0:20:12.800 like what that was like for you and what that 0:20:12.840 --> 0:20:15.159 was like for like your family having to talk about it, 0:20:15.200 --> 0:20:19.840 and yeah, it was really draining because you're just reading 0:20:19.960 --> 0:20:23.119 so many awful things, like I read a number of 0:20:23.119 --> 0:20:26.359 different books, and you know, talking to all these people, 0:20:27.080 --> 0:20:30.120 and I think, for my grandfather, I think, like I don't, 0:20:30.440 --> 0:20:34.320 I don't. He's not a very emotional person physically there 0:20:34.359 --> 0:20:36.480 with him when he was talking to me, and I 0:20:36.520 --> 0:20:38.679 think it's like something that's for sure, like in the 0:20:38.720 --> 0:20:42.560 past for him. And he was fortunate in the way 0:20:42.560 --> 0:20:44.800 that he came from an area that did have violence, 0:20:44.800 --> 0:20:47.800 but it wasn't to the extent that you of other 0:20:47.800 --> 0:20:54.600 people's accounts um and but talking to survivors was really hard. 0:20:55.119 --> 0:20:57.359 I actually went to San Francisco to talk to someone 0:20:57.400 --> 0:21:00.720 specifically because they're very hard of hearing, and so doing 0:21:00.720 --> 0:21:06.119 it virtually would have been very impossible and hard because 0:21:06.119 --> 0:21:07.920 he was saying all these things and then he would 0:21:07.960 --> 0:21:12.040 tear up, and it's like, where do you just listen 0:21:12.080 --> 0:21:15.080 to this person? And then where do you comfort them? 0:21:15.240 --> 0:21:17.080 Is really hard because I don't want to interrupt, but 0:21:17.119 --> 0:21:18.960 I don't want them to be like I don't care 0:21:19.000 --> 0:21:22.600 about what you're saying, like it's a um And that 0:21:22.680 --> 0:21:25.120 person spoke to me for two and a half hours, 0:21:25.160 --> 0:21:27.840 and I had yet to really listen to his audio 0:21:27.960 --> 0:21:29.760 I've just like listened to bits and pieces just for 0:21:29.880 --> 0:21:33.239 like clarity purposes. Um. So that's gonna be rough when 0:21:33.320 --> 0:21:37.359 that happens, and it's going to come up soon. Um. 0:21:37.440 --> 0:21:40.199 It was just really draining, and it's just like like highlighting. 0:21:40.359 --> 0:21:42.159 It's like you know when you're reading. I've read all 0:21:42.160 --> 0:21:43.960 these books and you're highlighting things, but it's like you're 0:21:43.960 --> 0:21:46.399 going to highlight the whole book because it's just there's 0:21:46.480 --> 0:21:50.640 just so many crazy things. And Yeah, it's just really sad. 0:21:50.720 --> 0:21:53.520 It's really dreaming. Like I had mentioned writing this, and 0:21:53.560 --> 0:21:57.119 I'm like, here's just like twenty minutes of terror and 0:21:57.280 --> 0:22:01.320 like any page Google doc that you have to say. Um. 0:22:01.400 --> 0:22:04.720 And that also brings up another point where even though 0:22:04.720 --> 0:22:09.920 this podcast is sad and it's not particularly pertain ways, 0:22:09.960 --> 0:22:13.080 I did want to be myself and so I try 0:22:13.119 --> 0:22:15.520 to add a little bit of lovity in there. Um. 0:22:15.600 --> 0:22:19.000 Like there was an artist who um that I mentioned 0:22:19.560 --> 0:22:22.120 Her work name is Parthica Jodrey. She had these really 0:22:22.119 --> 0:22:27.119 beautiful installations uh of like female body parts, but they 0:22:27.200 --> 0:22:31.680 ended up getting ruined in transportation and so she digitized 0:22:31.720 --> 0:22:34.840 them and is and made n f T s and 0:22:34.880 --> 0:22:36.800 so me trying to explain what an n f T 0:22:37.040 --> 0:22:38.600 is is just the most ridiculous thing in the world. 0:22:38.600 --> 0:22:39.879 So I was like, I'm not going to talk about it. 0:22:39.920 --> 0:22:43.119 But it's like lovity in there that we're talking about 0:22:43.320 --> 0:22:46.800 n f t s in this podcast, you know. Um, 0:22:46.840 --> 0:22:48.680 but yeah, it's it was. It's still like a really 0:22:48.760 --> 0:22:53.320 draining process because I say this a lot, and people 0:22:53.320 --> 0:22:55.680 I've interviewed say this, that partition isn't something that's in 0:22:55.720 --> 0:23:00.199 the past. It's been breathing and you know, prothecas it 0:23:00.640 --> 0:23:04.080 in a really distinct way where she's like it lives 0:23:04.119 --> 0:23:07.920 in families and it really does. So like every day 0:23:08.040 --> 0:23:10.600 I feel like I just kind of it's hard for 0:23:10.600 --> 0:23:12.280 me not to get bogged down with all this and 0:23:13.359 --> 0:23:15.199 I am a sensitive person, so well I tend to 0:23:15.240 --> 0:23:18.879 hold things and carry things with me. Um. Yeah, it's 0:23:18.920 --> 0:23:22.320 been a really rough process, but I think what kind 0:23:22.320 --> 0:23:24.400 of makes it a little easier is like, well, these 0:23:24.400 --> 0:23:29.720 people's stories are getting out there. Um, people are going 0:23:29.760 --> 0:23:32.080 to learn about it now, and maybe that inspires them 0:23:32.080 --> 0:23:34.280 to learn about other events that they didn't learn in school. 0:23:34.680 --> 0:23:36.960 Like all of my education was done in Texas and 0:23:37.040 --> 0:23:40.120 that can be another podcast within itself because our education 0:23:40.200 --> 0:23:46.520 is something to say the least. Uh oh, that's kind 0:23:46.520 --> 0:23:47.840 of the way I try to look at it, like 0:23:47.880 --> 0:23:51.880 it's really rough. And then I also, um, I love 0:23:51.920 --> 0:23:53.639 reading and everything, so I'm just like, well, I'm going 0:23:53.720 --> 0:23:56.320 to read this like thirsty rom com to get me 0:23:56.400 --> 0:23:59.560 away from like the horrible nous of the work I'm 0:23:59.600 --> 0:24:03.080 doing it day. Definitely a little bit of balance too. 0:24:03.640 --> 0:24:07.560 I do think to hear you say that you're I'm 0:24:07.640 --> 0:24:10.560 very sensitive as well and how you hold stuff in. 0:24:11.119 --> 0:24:15.600 I do think as people of color are families, especially 0:24:15.640 --> 0:24:17.840 like immigrant families, that people that have been through trauma. 0:24:18.040 --> 0:24:24.040 That's that's why, that's why about this, because this intergenerational 0:24:24.040 --> 0:24:27.439 trauma is something that they've kept and barely talked about, 0:24:27.480 --> 0:24:30.960 if at all. Um, So I'm really glad that like 0:24:31.359 --> 0:24:33.600 you went to San Francisco and that person was able 0:24:33.640 --> 0:24:37.920 to like release all of this and that they were 0:24:37.960 --> 0:24:43.280 holding probably for their whole life. So so yeah, I do. 0:24:43.480 --> 0:24:47.439 I I think, um, there are many reasons why your 0:24:47.440 --> 0:24:51.000 podcast is important, but I think even the chance that 0:24:51.080 --> 0:24:57.560 someone can like that not trauma sounds a little bit 0:24:57.600 --> 0:24:59.520 more dramatic than I wanted to, But like the feelings 0:24:59.520 --> 0:25:02.760 behind with that means and their family history or even 0:25:02.800 --> 0:25:06.560 if you're not South Asian, it's important to note again 0:25:06.720 --> 0:25:10.960 something that doesn't affect you. Yeah, the whole world really Yeah, 0:25:11.080 --> 0:25:14.440 just like understanding your history and like where you come 0:25:15.320 --> 0:25:18.879 it is Chinese. And she texted me she was just like, 0:25:18.920 --> 0:25:20.840 now I kind of want to look into like my history, 0:25:20.880 --> 0:25:23.080 and I'm like that's great, Like that's what I you know, 0:25:23.160 --> 0:25:26.760 I wanted if I wanted any kind of like actionable 0:25:27.119 --> 0:25:32.120 thing to happen, it's like that exact thing history looking 0:25:32.160 --> 0:25:41.919 into other people's histories. Totally wow. Um, I for we 0:25:41.960 --> 0:25:43.840 confirmed you as a guess that you're good at talking, 0:25:44.000 --> 0:25:46.159 and this confirmed that. Thank you so much. You were 0:25:46.600 --> 0:25:51.320 babbled a lot, so I was like, opinion, the perfect 0:25:51.359 --> 0:25:57.199 podcast guest like this period. Um, But I really I 0:25:57.240 --> 0:26:02.040 appreciate the both effort and like emotional energy that goes 0:26:02.080 --> 0:26:05.360 into making a show like this because I can kind 0:26:05.359 --> 0:26:07.399 of relate when I talk about the Middle East stuff, 0:26:07.400 --> 0:26:11.880 like it's really really hard. So I appreciate your time 0:26:11.920 --> 0:26:17.560 and to learn more about the partition and what that means. Um, 0:26:17.600 --> 0:26:20.960 can you tell the audience where they can find you? 0:26:21.280 --> 0:26:24.840 And the podcast obviously is where you can find it. 0:26:24.880 --> 0:26:26.639 But let's I'm going to hand it over to you. 0:26:26.720 --> 0:26:32.840 Here you go, okay. Um. So Partition podcast on augustive teen. 0:26:33.040 --> 0:26:35.480 You can find it wherever you get your podcasts, um 0:26:35.520 --> 0:26:38.480 sucially the I Heart Radio app. Um. You can find 0:26:38.520 --> 0:26:42.040 me on Instagram and Twitter, Instagram at Nahazie's Twitter at 0:26:42.119 --> 0:26:46.760 Nahazie's thirteen. And you can find Partition on Twitter at 0:26:47.760 --> 0:26:55.000 Didition podcast on Instagram. Nice um on EA, you mentioned 0:26:55.600 --> 0:26:58.960 a upcoming project you want to do that's also about 0:26:59.000 --> 0:27:04.919 like a similar topic. Yeah, what that is? Yes, something 0:27:04.960 --> 0:27:08.200 that I really wanted to do. And this is another 0:27:08.240 --> 0:27:10.399 thing that we're kind of talking about of like people 0:27:10.480 --> 0:27:14.639 not talking about like everything, like encompassing everything in like 0:27:14.720 --> 0:27:20.960 one uh story. So um, something very it happened in 0:27:22.200 --> 0:27:26.840 when East Pakislan became Bangladesh. Um and a lot of 0:27:26.880 --> 0:27:29.480 my mom's families from there, My grandma UM and a 0:27:29.480 --> 0:27:32.840 lot of her family currently live there. And it's again 0:27:32.960 --> 0:27:37.679 very similar to Partition, a lot of violence. UM. And 0:27:38.600 --> 0:27:43.520 that story, to me, UM deserves its own time and respect. 0:27:43.640 --> 0:27:46.439 And I remember when I first talked about partition, They're like, oh, 0:27:46.440 --> 0:27:48.720 you're gonna talk about this, and I'm like, I want 0:27:48.720 --> 0:27:52.399 to mention it. But it is too just kind of 0:27:52.440 --> 0:27:55.920 throw into what I'm doing because it deserves way more 0:27:55.960 --> 0:27:58.320 than that. So that is another story that I want 0:27:58.320 --> 0:28:04.439 to tell. And it actually celebrated it's fiftie anniversary last year. UM. 0:28:04.520 --> 0:28:10.000 And from my understanding, it's all memorials in either India 0:28:10.080 --> 0:28:15.520 or Pakistan that commemorates, not commemorates, but showcases like how 0:28:15.720 --> 0:28:17.880 partition was. Like we don't you know, there isn't like 0:28:17.920 --> 0:28:20.439 a like here all the people who died, or here's 0:28:20.520 --> 0:28:22.679 this or here's like the statue of a bird or 0:28:24.119 --> 0:28:27.320 that that you know that people. There's no like communal 0:28:27.400 --> 0:28:30.320 place of grief. And it is my understand that Bangladesh 0:28:30.680 --> 0:28:34.480 really does have these things. I believe there's a Liberation 0:28:34.600 --> 0:28:40.959 museum and statues and there is a Partition museum, but 0:28:41.000 --> 0:28:44.440 it is not a government sanction thing. It's privately owned. 0:28:44.760 --> 0:28:47.880 And again it with it being in India, UM, there's 0:28:47.880 --> 0:28:50.200 also a lot of barriers, like it's not a place 0:28:50.240 --> 0:28:55.040 I can visit um and so UM that is something 0:28:55.800 --> 0:28:58.240 I'm actually trying to go to Bangladesh UM this year 0:28:58.280 --> 0:29:00.960 and it's been a little bit difficult, I think, trying 0:29:00.960 --> 0:29:03.120 to obtain her visa. But I hope she gets to 0:29:03.160 --> 0:29:04.640 go soon, and I hope I get to go with her. 0:29:04.880 --> 0:29:07.800 But um, yeah, that's other stories that I want to 0:29:07.840 --> 0:29:12.880 tell because I feel like it is starting to kind 0:29:12.920 --> 0:29:15.120 of people are starting to understand that. But I feel 0:29:15.120 --> 0:29:21.040 like one is just not there at all. Um it's 0:29:21.080 --> 0:29:23.280 I think, something that people seem to just forget about, 0:29:23.440 --> 0:29:26.160 and it's just crazy to think. I'm like, it's that's 0:29:26.160 --> 0:29:31.040 not that long from like seventy five years, like fifty years. 0:29:31.200 --> 0:29:34.480 That's not a long time. Um. So it's just like 0:29:34.560 --> 0:29:40.880 really insane when you think about it that way, and um, 0:29:41.120 --> 0:29:44.280 especially when you think of how ancient these and just 0:29:44.360 --> 0:29:47.760 how new these places are. UM. So yeah, that's something 0:29:47.760 --> 0:29:50.880 I would definitely love to tell. Um. I would love 0:29:50.960 --> 0:29:53.480 for my next project to be on that, um but 0:29:53.560 --> 0:29:57.480 that decision is not up to me. So hopefully, um 0:29:57.720 --> 0:30:02.520 hopefully it'll work out. Yeah, I really hope so too. UM. 0:30:02.920 --> 0:30:06.400 I do really appreciate, I'm sure everyone else does, to 0:30:06.880 --> 0:30:09.040 the fact that you're talking about things that are just 0:30:09.160 --> 0:30:13.760 glossed over or not even mentioned. Usually I hate that, 0:30:13.800 --> 0:30:17.760 like it's usually our job to educate people. But in 0:30:17.800 --> 0:30:21.400 the meantime, you're doing a fantastic job and I can't 0:30:21.400 --> 0:30:24.320 wait to see the other projects you do. But obviously 0:30:24.400 --> 0:30:43.880 listen to Partition everybody first. UM, yeah, that's the show. Hello, 0:30:44.080 --> 0:30:47.440 this is it could happen here. And today it's me 0:30:47.640 --> 0:30:52.240 James and I'm joined by and Diego and we are 0:30:52.360 --> 0:30:57.720 talking about San Diego's lying there and how he likes 0:30:57.720 --> 0:30:59.880 to punch down on poor people even though he promised 0:30:59.880 --> 0:31:03.560 he wouldn't. So joining me today, I'm gonna ask you 0:31:03.560 --> 0:31:05.280 guys to want to introduce yourselves. It can spend a 0:31:05.320 --> 0:31:08.280 little bit about a background you have in the area 0:31:08.440 --> 0:31:10.520 and then we'll get into it because there's a lot 0:31:10.520 --> 0:31:13.640 to talk about. So, Mandy, would you like to go first? 0:31:14.160 --> 0:31:17.840 H I'm Mandy. I am I'm a homeless advocate and 0:31:18.040 --> 0:31:22.680 mostly do um on the groundwork mutually and then I 0:31:22.720 --> 0:31:27.520 advocate for them as much as I can almost city municipalities. Um, 0:31:27.640 --> 0:31:31.920 and just organize that way great, And Colleen, you can 0:31:31.920 --> 0:31:35.520 go next to us. Okay, Yeah, my name is Colin Cusack. 0:31:35.640 --> 0:31:40.440 I'm a criminal defense attorney and I uh represent uh 0:31:40.760 --> 0:31:44.360 perhaps my fifty homeless person's pro bono right now who 0:31:44.360 --> 0:31:47.960 are sighted with the crimes of survival such as encroachment 0:31:48.360 --> 0:31:52.480 and over So I can challenge and have them to 0:31:52.600 --> 0:31:58.080 quote unconstitutional McConnell. I'm an advocate for people who are 0:31:58.120 --> 0:32:01.400 living unsheltered or homeless, and I've been working on this 0:32:01.480 --> 0:32:07.120 for about thirteen years. First part working within this system 0:32:07.440 --> 0:32:13.120 as a philanthropist, advocate, volunteers, former vice chair of the 0:32:13.160 --> 0:32:16.720 Regional Task Force on the Homeless and founding was a 0:32:16.720 --> 0:32:20.560 founding member of a local philanthropy group called Funders Togethered 0:32:20.600 --> 0:32:25.520 and Homelessness San Diego. I have participated on quite a 0:32:25.520 --> 0:32:29.680 few initiatives Blitz Week where we housed about a hundred 0:32:29.680 --> 0:32:33.640 people in three days, Cities initiative where we worked on 0:32:33.680 --> 0:32:37.880 any veteran and chronic homelessness created the regions first by 0:32:37.960 --> 0:32:46.760 nameless for veterans. Worked on a lot of CEOC continuum 0:32:46.760 --> 0:32:50.560 of care initiatives such as how we score projects to 0:32:50.600 --> 0:32:59.640 get homelessness funding. H long communicated with our endless elected Yeah, 0:32:59.640 --> 0:33:03.120 who's an mayor who's made so many promises over the 0:33:03.200 --> 0:33:06.320 years and so many claims on homelessness. People just doubt 0:33:06.360 --> 0:33:11.400 almost everything he says about homelessness at this point. Rightfully so, 0:33:12.720 --> 0:33:18.080 and uh probably most I on the ground advocacy now 0:33:18.160 --> 0:33:22.600 where I do a lot of in Camas support work 0:33:22.680 --> 0:33:26.080 with of course unsheltered people, filmed the police around in 0:33:26.160 --> 0:33:32.360 camera sweeps and enforcement of of laws at target and 0:33:32.760 --> 0:33:37.240 continue that till this day. Nice Yeah, containing a lot 0:33:37.240 --> 0:33:40.280 of work on the street. And then LEVI last been 0:33:40.320 --> 0:33:47.000 at least ed Hi you guys, I'm levionly with homeful Solutions, UM. 0:33:47.440 --> 0:33:51.200 I have lived experience and being homeless. UM. I also 0:33:51.240 --> 0:33:53.640 worked with a group about the kids called Lived Experience 0:33:53.640 --> 0:33:56.600 Advisors here in San Diego. UM we try to hold 0:33:56.680 --> 0:34:02.880 him accountable UM. And uh we're also able to advocate 0:34:02.960 --> 0:34:05.800 for uh a lot of what these people need in 0:34:05.840 --> 0:34:11.120 the recovery process, just beyond like, UM, housing, which is 0:34:11.160 --> 0:34:16.560 the main thing you know that uh, the real estate crisis. UM. 0:34:16.600 --> 0:34:19.680 And then I also work as a housing navigator downtown. UM. 0:34:19.840 --> 0:34:24.960 So I work with a case load of about two clients, UM, 0:34:25.000 --> 0:34:27.920 about sixty or seventy of them. I would say, have 0:34:28.320 --> 0:34:32.319 UM s M I s UM really in like uh 0:34:32.520 --> 0:34:35.279 kind of one of the main areas of town that UM, 0:34:35.320 --> 0:34:38.080 you know, we have a lot of these people living outdoors. 0:34:38.120 --> 0:34:41.120 So UM, I'm at kind of the front lines of 0:34:41.160 --> 0:34:44.960 it every day when it comes to people needed to 0:34:45.040 --> 0:34:48.839 get a show one that they cry to um, you 0:34:48.840 --> 0:34:52.239 know when when they think that it's a you know, 0:34:52.360 --> 0:34:54.760 when they don't understand that it's the system that's broken. 0:34:54.840 --> 0:34:56.399 You know, I'm the one that they get yelled at, 0:34:56.520 --> 0:34:58.799 but that gets yelled at, but you know, they think 0:34:58.840 --> 0:35:02.440 I'm I'm not doing an off, you know, and be 0:35:02.480 --> 0:35:04.400 able to see all sides of it and see the 0:35:04.400 --> 0:35:07.759 promises that get made. And I literally have clients come 0:35:07.760 --> 0:35:11.520 in and say, oh, hey, look everything's gonna be fine 0:35:11.560 --> 0:35:14.239 because the mayor just said this week he's opening a 0:35:14.280 --> 0:35:16.839 new shelter. And I'm like, all right, let's do the math. 0:35:16.920 --> 0:35:21.080 That's a right, And there's eight thousand homes people in 0:35:21.120 --> 0:35:24.960 the county, so you know, and so um, yeah, I 0:35:25.280 --> 0:35:28.520 have to kind of break down that. It's a good responsibility, 0:35:28.560 --> 0:35:30.719 I guess, to to break down the system to my 0:35:31.120 --> 0:35:35.120 clients so that they can understand how broken as uh, 0:35:35.160 --> 0:35:37.120 you know, me being able to teach some patients to 0:35:37.160 --> 0:35:41.439 get them through the process too. So yeah that's me. Yeah, 0:35:41.440 --> 0:35:44.040 that's good, thank you. And so yeah, I want to 0:35:44.040 --> 0:35:49.359 get into because it consistently, I think, like every time, 0:35:49.400 --> 0:35:50.759 like I like to ride my bike around a lot, 0:35:50.800 --> 0:35:53.399 I'm always riding around town. Often are running to people 0:35:53.400 --> 0:35:55.399 who are in distress, right, especially when we ride past 0:35:55.480 --> 0:35:57.520 the hospital, will do something we can get into and 0:35:57.520 --> 0:35:59.440 they'll be like, oh, just just call up what you 0:35:59.600 --> 0:36:02.919 sort of out with a shelter like and then they'll 0:36:02.960 --> 0:36:06.640 have this horrible moment of realization where they're like, oh shit, 0:36:07.120 --> 0:36:10.919 like there's nowhere for this person to go. So let's 0:36:10.960 --> 0:36:13.600 talk a little bit about Todd Gloria. Right, Todd Gloria's 0:36:13.600 --> 0:36:16.280 are there. He's a Democrat, he ran on a very 0:36:16.280 --> 0:36:21.799 progressed uh and what he's done has been extremely reactionary. 0:36:22.080 --> 0:36:25.080 And I wanted to start just by reading some Todd tweets. 0:36:26.080 --> 0:36:29.480 Todds a poster um, perhaps not not as much of 0:36:29.520 --> 0:36:34.320 a poster as Rachel Richel laying his I guess Sian's manager. 0:36:34.360 --> 0:36:38.319 I think she has the soul of a poster and 0:36:38.400 --> 0:36:43.839 will attack people working like Michael to help people, which 0:36:43.880 --> 0:36:48.439 is distressing to see. But I wanted to I wanted 0:36:48.480 --> 0:36:53.919 to talk, so I've got a few tweets here. June. Yes, 0:36:54.000 --> 0:36:56.120 I will be the first to enforce the law against 0:36:56.120 --> 0:36:58.960 those sheltered around sheltered who break any law, but I 0:36:59.000 --> 0:37:01.480 will not use our code to harass and criminalize sick 0:37:01.520 --> 0:37:06.319 and poor people. That's the number one organ bean. What 0:37:06.440 --> 0:37:08.400 if we chose to take the resources we used to 0:37:08.400 --> 0:37:11.520 criminalize the homeless and redirect them to building housing instead. 0:37:12.120 --> 0:37:18.160 What if Todd um Janu in his tag Michael in 0:37:18.239 --> 0:37:20.480 this one. Maybe right, But the sad fact is that 0:37:20.600 --> 0:37:23.879 this before the p I t C. That's the point 0:37:23.880 --> 0:37:26.600 in time count of un housed people. It happens all 0:37:26.600 --> 0:37:29.720 the time. It's unfair to the unsheltered and too STPD. 0:37:29.840 --> 0:37:32.440 My goal is to end chronic homelessness. The only way 0:37:32.480 --> 0:37:38.000 to do this is with permanent supportive housing, not criminalization. Right, 0:37:38.120 --> 0:37:42.320 But that's not what you did, Californians of all political views. No, 0:37:42.440 --> 0:37:46.080 a homelessness crisis is a serious problem. More housing and services, 0:37:46.120 --> 0:37:49.520 not criminalization. It's past time to tackle this problem. I 0:37:49.560 --> 0:37:53.759 could keep going with these things, but I will get 0:37:53.800 --> 0:37:56.360 the pictures. So Todge talked a lot about how we 0:37:56.360 --> 0:37:58.640 don't need to criminalize poverty, how we don't need to 0:37:58.640 --> 0:38:02.040 criminalize living on the street. Uh, and then has proceeded 0:38:02.080 --> 0:38:06.560 to criminalize living on the street. Right, and so maybe 0:38:07.200 --> 0:38:11.400 we can just start with these happened pretty much consistently. 0:38:11.440 --> 0:38:15.759 I think since Todd took office and UH, people might 0:38:15.760 --> 0:38:17.440 be familiar with a little bit, like they may have 0:38:17.560 --> 0:38:21.359 seen some of the bikes being thrown away that that 0:38:21.480 --> 0:38:23.680 was like Michael had a video of that which which 0:38:23.719 --> 0:38:29.680 had how many Oh gosh, yeah, it's a lot of 0:38:29.719 --> 0:38:31.879 people have seen that. But perhaps one if you would 0:38:31.920 --> 0:38:35.319 like to describe like exactly like how a sweep goes 0:38:35.360 --> 0:38:38.400 down right, Like like there's there's a process of posting 0:38:38.600 --> 0:38:42.279 sometimes a process of posting notices. But this is because 0:38:42.280 --> 0:38:47.040 people are encroaching, Like what's the sort of justification for it? 0:38:47.080 --> 0:38:49.480 And then what does that look like for people on 0:38:49.520 --> 0:38:54.800 the ground every fourteenth of this year, but Glorious started 0:38:54.920 --> 0:39:02.200 his sweep enforcement. Um. It was unspoken during COVID, Uh, 0:39:02.280 --> 0:39:05.239 they were just killing people with COVID and instead of 0:39:05.880 --> 0:39:10.640 my police, although the police were doing so this this 0:39:10.760 --> 0:39:13.200 what the police do at the sweeps as they use 0:39:13.360 --> 0:39:18.520 a series of unconstitutional ordinances city ordinances only existing in 0:39:18.560 --> 0:39:23.719 the city of San Diego. UM. And these unconstitutional ordinances 0:39:23.800 --> 0:39:31.240 taken together eagle for um, anybody to exist in public space, 0:39:31.600 --> 0:39:35.880 so me, our mothers, our children, anybody in public space 0:39:36.239 --> 0:39:40.200 can be ticketed for these violations because they're so overbroad. 0:39:40.280 --> 0:39:43.840 For example, standing on a sidewalk, just being there on 0:39:43.880 --> 0:39:48.200 a sidewalk, UM will be enough to get you a 0:39:48.280 --> 0:39:51.760 citation issued if you can't prove you have a house 0:39:51.800 --> 0:39:54.440 to live in. UM. These laws, like I said, they're 0:39:54.440 --> 0:39:58.440 written over broad. They apply to everyone. Use their discretion 0:39:58.520 --> 0:40:02.759 to only use them against or persons. The Vehicle Habitation 0:40:02.880 --> 0:40:06.799 Ordinance UM lists a series of items that if they're 0:40:06.840 --> 0:40:11.080 found in your car, police could use those to arrest you. 0:40:11.560 --> 0:40:20.160 And those items it's like food, water, trash. So everybody 0:40:20.200 --> 0:40:22.440 with food, water, or trash. It doesn't have to be 0:40:22.480 --> 0:40:27.000 all three, just one of them. UM could be the 0:40:27.680 --> 0:40:33.280 objected to arrested, have their comfort, have their taken to shelter, 0:40:33.480 --> 0:40:38.720 having their children taken to CPS, and all because UM, 0:40:38.960 --> 0:40:44.160 the city wants to come after poor people with with ordinances. UM. 0:40:44.360 --> 0:40:48.480 So here's the fund. These ordinances can be charged either 0:40:48.560 --> 0:40:54.759 as misdemeanors or infractions. Mayor Glory announced a progressive ordinance 0:40:54.800 --> 0:40:59.000 scheme which means on day one, say Monday of the week, 0:40:59.400 --> 0:41:04.200 the individal jewel. On day two, the individual is issued 0:41:04.920 --> 0:41:09.279 a infraction citation. That infraction citation gives them a day 0:41:09.320 --> 0:41:13.440 to appear months down the road UM to contest the case. 0:41:13.760 --> 0:41:16.680 But the very next day, they can be issued a misdemeanor. 0:41:17.880 --> 0:41:21.040 That misdemeanor station also has a date months down the 0:41:21.160 --> 0:41:26.759 road the resolution and then UM gave four. They can 0:41:26.840 --> 0:41:31.120 be arrested and taken into custody UM all without ever 0:41:31.200 --> 0:41:36.560 having a day and UM the citations, if there are 0:41:36.600 --> 0:41:40.800 issued to people in Midway or downtown San Diego, direct 0:41:40.840 --> 0:41:43.880 them to appear in Claremont Mesa. It's about twelve miles away. 0:41:44.040 --> 0:41:47.239 These are individuals that have mobility issues. They can't get 0:41:47.280 --> 0:41:50.880 to and from court can't They can't really get to 0:41:51.040 --> 0:41:52.880 and from the end of the street very well without 0:41:52.880 --> 0:41:55.640 police starting to take away their property. Court won't allow 0:41:55.680 --> 0:41:57.720 them to bring their property in with them. The buses 0:41:57.760 --> 0:42:01.280 won't allow them to bring their property on the buses. 0:42:01.960 --> 0:42:05.600 So they have to make a choice. Do they all 0:42:05.600 --> 0:42:07.960 the remaining property that they have in the world to 0:42:08.080 --> 0:42:11.759 go to court to defend against the charge that they're 0:42:11.800 --> 0:42:17.920 really don't have the The police can cite either as 0:42:17.960 --> 0:42:21.799 a misdemeanor infraction, but when they sit as an edule 0:42:21.920 --> 0:42:27.600 doesn't get UM an appointed attorney and UM nor jury 0:42:27.680 --> 0:42:33.279 trial and so UM the punishment the issuance of the 0:42:33.400 --> 0:42:37.920 citation becomes the punishment process, we're just to get to 0:42:38.000 --> 0:42:41.680 court and take care of your responsibilities becomes a chore, 0:42:41.719 --> 0:42:44.880 even if later it's dismissed. We found out through public 0:42:44.880 --> 0:42:49.360 records requests that of the misdemeanors that are being cited 0:42:50.040 --> 0:42:56.520 are so people aren't getting their attempt, their their opportunity 0:42:56.560 --> 0:43:00.000 to defend themselves in court. They're all being dismissed. Um. 0:43:00.080 --> 0:43:04.440 So if the city was was serious about believing that 0:43:04.520 --> 0:43:07.360 these individuals were committing criminal offenses, and they wouldn't be 0:43:07.400 --> 0:43:11.480 dismissing them after of them after they were were issued. 0:43:12.360 --> 0:43:17.319 So colleens talking about the the the laws or the 0:43:17.400 --> 0:43:23.319 codes that are used to used during enforcement sweeps of 0:43:23.440 --> 0:43:25.600 people out here on the streets. So the police go 0:43:25.680 --> 0:43:32.600 out and you codes and municipal codes, two right people 0:43:32.640 --> 0:43:36.439 tickets and eventually take them to jail. That's just one 0:43:36.719 --> 0:43:43.920 kind of sweep. That's the enforcement sweeps. There's also sweeps 0:43:43.960 --> 0:43:47.320 or abatement sweeps. We call them homeless and CABA sweeps 0:43:47.400 --> 0:43:52.960 or homeless community sweeps where per settlement with past lawsuits, 0:43:52.960 --> 0:43:55.800 the city has to post three hour seventy two notices 0:43:56.480 --> 0:44:02.840 in areas. Then police and Environmental Services and clean up 0:44:02.880 --> 0:44:05.160 cruise and they'll throw away all your belongings if you're 0:44:05.200 --> 0:44:09.000 not there, So that's another kind of sweep. So there's 0:44:09.040 --> 0:44:12.440 actually two kinds of sweeps. There's these clean up sweeps 0:44:12.440 --> 0:44:15.920 where they throw away your belongings, and then there's the 0:44:16.160 --> 0:44:22.600 enforcement sweeps where they just go out with sometimes oh gosh, Colleen, 0:44:22.640 --> 0:44:25.919 we've probably seen as many as fifteen maybe fifteen plus 0:44:26.000 --> 0:44:29.800 police go out to ticket people in a particular homeless community. 0:44:29.960 --> 0:44:33.960 So and just to the ringer with all these citations 0:44:34.000 --> 0:44:40.319 that Colleen went through. Yeah, and then preps leave. Are 0:44:40.360 --> 0:44:43.600 you familiar with the system, right? I think maybe the 0:44:43.600 --> 0:44:45.440 the idea here is that the police are supposed to 0:44:45.520 --> 0:44:48.399 offer them shelter, right, if they asked a shelter, they're 0:44:48.400 --> 0:44:50.880 supposed to offer it to them. Can you just exp 0:44:51.920 --> 0:44:57.360 shelter could be extremely difficult or impossible for people to access. Yeah. Absolutely, 0:44:57.400 --> 0:44:58.920 And then I'll tell you kind of some of the 0:44:59.000 --> 0:45:03.200 consequences that UM people face even or as a result 0:45:03.239 --> 0:45:07.000 of this. But um so basically like let me paint 0:45:07.000 --> 0:45:09.920 the picture for you. So, UM, our location is a 0:45:11.239 --> 0:45:16.200 have any housing here on site? Um? And uh so 0:45:16.280 --> 0:45:19.319 the clients will typically there's a line out the gate 0:45:19.560 --> 0:45:21.240 when we get here at eight o'clock in the morning. 0:45:21.680 --> 0:45:24.759 At eight o'clock in the morning until nine o'clock, all 0:45:24.800 --> 0:45:28.440 I do is shelter refer that's everybody that's coming in 0:45:28.480 --> 0:45:30.360 the door that wants to get a shelter bed for 0:45:30.560 --> 0:45:34.040 that night that night. Right, we're doing this at eight 0:45:34.040 --> 0:45:38.319 o'clock in the morning. And UM. Oftentimes I will get 0:45:38.520 --> 0:45:40.919 one or two. Some days I don't get anyone into 0:45:40.960 --> 0:45:45.120 shelter um clock. All of those beds are full. And 0:45:45.160 --> 0:45:47.520 that's what they report back to me, is the service provider, 0:45:47.600 --> 0:45:50.359 right is is at nine o'clock in the morning, there's 0:45:50.400 --> 0:45:57.719 no more shelter beds. Um. And uh. On top of 0:45:57.760 --> 0:46:01.560 that very thing to him mentioned too is like you know, 0:46:01.600 --> 0:46:05.840 the police are supposed to offer them shelter, but um 0:46:05.920 --> 0:46:08.480 we have like some kind of like conglomerates as far 0:46:08.520 --> 0:46:11.319 as organizations go in the shelter space. UM. So if 0:46:11.320 --> 0:46:15.200 a client is for some reason not allowed to go back, UM, 0:46:15.239 --> 0:46:18.399 that's one pretty much forever um and be it could 0:46:18.440 --> 0:46:20.959 be something like behavior like they got anxiety and yelled 0:46:21.000 --> 0:46:24.440 at somebody, right, or it could be uh, someone who 0:46:24.480 --> 0:46:27.120 can't complete their A d l S as they call it, UM, 0:46:27.239 --> 0:46:31.080 or like an incontinence issue. Um, So there's times yes 0:46:31.120 --> 0:46:34.239 it is sanitary and medically necessary for you to use 0:46:34.280 --> 0:46:37.920 this little bottle or whatever. But then the shelter will 0:46:37.960 --> 0:46:40.200 then kick them out and not let them return for 0:46:40.239 --> 0:46:42.680 that kind of thing. So by nine o'clock, the shelter 0:46:42.760 --> 0:46:47.200 beds are full. Um. In the beginning when playing, they 0:46:47.200 --> 0:46:50.720 were doing their sweeps real early. Um. Now they're doing 0:46:50.719 --> 0:46:53.879 their sweeps um after the time that I'm being told 0:46:53.920 --> 0:46:56.160 as a service provider that the shelters are already full. 0:46:57.000 --> 0:47:01.600 And um. And on top of that, our shelter her system, 0:47:01.680 --> 0:47:06.400 you're there during the day, right, So some of these 0:47:06.440 --> 0:47:09.760 people that they're taking their stuff and throwing it away 0:47:10.360 --> 0:47:13.040 are actually in shelter. You know, they just had to 0:47:13.080 --> 0:47:15.879 take their belongings with them back to the streets where 0:47:15.920 --> 0:47:20.080 everyone can see them every day. And and um. Recently, 0:47:20.120 --> 0:47:22.400 I had a client who we had spent like a 0:47:22.480 --> 0:47:23.759 month and a half trying to get him in the 0:47:23.800 --> 0:47:27.680 shelter every single day and it wasn't going through. Finally 0:47:27.920 --> 0:47:32.760 we got him in the shelter, and um a ticket 0:47:32.840 --> 0:47:37.279 for encroachment that you know, was not paid and he 0:47:37.320 --> 0:47:39.160 didn't go to court. So even though he was in 0:47:39.239 --> 0:47:41.480 shelter in the middle of the day, the police officers 0:47:41.480 --> 0:47:44.279 stopped him. They arrested him for his warrant. He was 0:47:44.320 --> 0:47:49.080 in there all weekend and he lost a shelter. Then, Yeah, 0:47:49.360 --> 0:47:52.759 so that's and perhaps you and Mandy could explain then, 0:47:52.840 --> 0:47:55.319 like some of the things, because yeah, under the guys, 0:47:55.360 --> 0:47:58.480 if I guess a clean up or a bait call it, 0:47:58.560 --> 0:48:02.239 like often that actively stripping people of the things that 0:48:02.320 --> 0:48:05.640 they need to access shelter, to access housing, to transport 0:48:05.680 --> 0:48:08.480 themselves around, right, And just what if you want to 0:48:08.520 --> 0:48:13.040 take on like what this means. M Well, they'll you know, 0:48:13.280 --> 0:48:15.600 they do it under the guys that we're gonna you know, 0:48:15.640 --> 0:48:19.680 we're cleaning up the area. UM. But they will drag 0:48:20.160 --> 0:48:25.520 entire tent people's belongings and put them in the compactor. 0:48:25.960 --> 0:48:28.960 They won't go through them. They never look. Oftentimes there's 0:48:29.040 --> 0:48:33.080 medication and their ideas, paperwork, things that you know, people 0:48:33.200 --> 0:48:36.920 have to have to survive. UM. You know, people can't 0:48:36.960 --> 0:48:42.280 get have identification. It's really difficult for them to get identification. 0:48:42.600 --> 0:48:44.840 UM living on the streets. You know, it's it's a 0:48:44.880 --> 0:48:50.439 process and that process UM sets outreach workers back. So 0:48:50.760 --> 0:48:52.600 you know you've got an outreach worker who may have 0:48:52.960 --> 0:48:57.240 got them an i D and you know they've taken 0:48:57.280 --> 0:48:59.719 their UM. It's called the espadat when they're entered into 0:48:59.719 --> 0:49:02.440 the how sing system and they're waiting a housing match 0:49:03.040 --> 0:49:05.640 and then their i D and everything gets thrown away. 0:49:05.880 --> 0:49:08.000 So then the outreach worker has to take time to 0:49:08.080 --> 0:49:12.400 go back their i D when they could be helping 0:49:12.520 --> 0:49:15.640 you know, someone else get set up to maybe get 0:49:15.680 --> 0:49:20.399 into housing. UM. You know they don't, they don't look 0:49:20.440 --> 0:49:23.840 through the things. This causes UM so much trauma for 0:49:23.880 --> 0:49:27.920 these folks. I've seen so a lot of times with 0:49:28.000 --> 0:49:32.720 sweeps UM. Sometimes I say, they'll allow people to gather 0:49:32.800 --> 0:49:36.360 their things and move them and then they'll sweep the area. 0:49:37.160 --> 0:49:43.360 I've seen times when they have had things, they moved 0:49:43.480 --> 0:49:48.600 their things and then the police surround their things while 0:49:48.600 --> 0:49:52.160 people are standing there and they place their things in 0:49:52.200 --> 0:49:55.960 front of them while they are begging for their things, 0:49:56.560 --> 0:49:59.680 and they them and they will put them in the 0:49:59.719 --> 0:50:02.319 track compact or in front of them and it's I mean, 0:50:02.360 --> 0:50:04.200 the only way that you can view that is it's 0:50:04.239 --> 0:50:06.960 just punishment, like you're not you know, you're out here, 0:50:07.000 --> 0:50:09.400 you're poor, we don't have many options for you. But 0:50:09.440 --> 0:50:11.120 We're going to do this to deter you because we 0:50:11.280 --> 0:50:15.279 just don't want to see you here. Yeah, Like I 0:50:15.280 --> 0:50:17.840 remember I was talking to someone downtown a couple of 0:50:17.920 --> 0:50:20.560 weeks ago and stop to give some folks some water, 0:50:20.640 --> 0:50:24.399 and like, this is the ship I chose to bring 0:50:24.440 --> 0:50:26.480 with me, Like I didn't. You know, it's not like 0:50:26.520 --> 0:50:28.560 I could take everything, And these are the things that 0:50:28.600 --> 0:50:30.279 I wanted to keep because they were special to me. 0:50:30.360 --> 0:50:34.719 And yet now now they're being trashed. Indeed, I think 0:50:35.520 --> 0:50:40.280 a person was thrown in it's right, yeah, like inside 0:50:40.280 --> 0:50:46.680 their tent and just fucking unbelievable. And so, yeah, we've 0:50:46.760 --> 0:50:50.680 established these sweeps are cruel. We've established that there's not 0:50:50.760 --> 0:50:56.080 really anywhere for people to go, and that they don't 0:50:56.200 --> 0:50:58.799 they don't provide a lasting solution to homelessness. They just 0:50:58.880 --> 0:51:02.319 they just move people around and make it harder for them. 0:51:02.360 --> 0:51:04.080 And so one of the things that we do in 0:51:04.120 --> 0:51:06.680 San Diego is that we we have this thing quote 0:51:06.680 --> 0:51:09.320 a point in time count right, and I think the 0:51:10.800 --> 0:51:15.560 students at the sweeps were increased in certain areas around 0:51:15.600 --> 0:51:17.359 the point in time counts. Is what if you want 0:51:17.360 --> 0:51:21.520 to explain what that count like is and does? Yeah, 0:51:22.400 --> 0:51:25.279 so the Point in Time count really only captures, like 0:51:25.840 --> 0:51:29.319 one night out of the year, people experiencing homelessness. Um, 0:51:29.360 --> 0:51:33.360 there was a couple of ostables. Um that process this 0:51:33.440 --> 0:51:36.520 year was particularly really cold that night. Um there were 0:51:36.600 --> 0:51:40.279 some tech glitches that should have been worked out way 0:51:40.280 --> 0:51:44.880 more in advance. UM. But UM, that really only pictures 0:51:44.960 --> 0:51:49.880 like takes capture of one night. The data I like 0:51:50.000 --> 0:51:52.960 to often refer to because it just feels more realistic 0:51:53.280 --> 0:51:57.040 to me is um our t fh Um states that 0:51:57.080 --> 0:52:01.160 in any given year, there's thirty thousand people seeking assistance 0:52:01.200 --> 0:52:06.600 for homelessness. So are point in time count you know, 0:52:06.640 --> 0:52:09.279 shows one night. Um, there is data being collected all 0:52:09.320 --> 0:52:11.800 year round. So at the point in time count, you 0:52:11.840 --> 0:52:14.479 have a lot of volunteers, UM go out very early 0:52:14.520 --> 0:52:18.839 in the morning. UM, they have them count the population 0:52:20.040 --> 0:52:24.200 to some interviews with them real quick. Um. The interviews 0:52:24.200 --> 0:52:28.320 are very personal. UM. You know it's it's it's not 0:52:28.360 --> 0:52:31.040 necessarily something somebody wants to wake up and answer at 0:52:31.080 --> 0:52:37.400 five am. But we found some people that were you know, UM, 0:52:37.400 --> 0:52:39.640 but that's that's the point in time count and a 0:52:39.719 --> 0:52:44.280 nutshell Okay, And then like, what's I know that downtown 0:52:44.400 --> 0:52:46.920 I think the downtown partnership collects our own data, right, 0:52:46.960 --> 0:52:49.880 because the data we have is very unreliable, what's the 0:52:50.040 --> 0:52:54.480 best guess at people like maybe in the city sheltered 0:52:54.680 --> 0:53:02.360 at at this time, over fifteen hundred unsheltered homelessness, meaning 0:53:02.400 --> 0:53:04.920 that they're not in a shelter or you know, some 0:53:05.000 --> 0:53:07.920 kind of program, okay, in just and that's just in 0:53:07.960 --> 0:53:10.879 downtown San Diego, not the whole county, okay, yeah, yeah, 0:53:10.920 --> 0:53:13.239 So downtown San Diego, for people not familiar, is a 0:53:13.280 --> 0:53:16.799 pretty small part of a very large county, right and 0:53:17.239 --> 0:53:22.239 with I think San Diego has the highest ratio of 0:53:22.280 --> 0:53:26.280 average income to property prices anywhere in the country now costly, 0:53:26.719 --> 0:53:34.200 it's incredibly unaffordable. And so this has led unfortunately but 0:53:34.280 --> 0:53:37.480 probably pretty predictably to a number of deaths on our streets, 0:53:37.560 --> 0:53:42.399 right and for four last week, for in a seven 0:53:42.440 --> 0:53:46.680 day period this August is it's hot. It's it's hot 0:53:46.680 --> 0:53:52.359 for San Diego right now. And despite this, we've seen 0:53:52.440 --> 0:53:56.520 this just like incredibly callous response from the city. I 0:53:56.560 --> 0:54:00.640 guess we've seen Todd for instance, to Gloria, who's on 0:54:00.719 --> 0:54:04.760 there giving a speech in front of a shelter where 0:54:05.160 --> 0:54:09.279 somebody's remains were taken away a few hours before and 0:54:09.360 --> 0:54:11.880 not mentioning that someone had just passed away in that place. 0:54:12.239 --> 0:54:16.880 I want to talk gap between rhetoric and reality, because 0:54:17.120 --> 0:54:20.560 if you were only learning about this from the city 0:54:20.680 --> 0:54:23.600 and towards Twitter account, you'd think that it was fined 0:54:23.680 --> 0:54:26.000 right because he's posting about these new shelter pits. But 0:54:26.360 --> 0:54:30.160 perhaps you can explain how best that's a it's a 0:54:30.200 --> 0:54:33.799 distraction from a problem is getting worse. I think that, Um, 0:54:36.640 --> 0:54:38.879 there's the reality that they want the public to ski, 0:54:39.160 --> 0:54:42.160 and then there's the reality that's happening. Um. And I 0:54:42.320 --> 0:54:46.239 think that they're failing so badly um at getting people 0:54:46.239 --> 0:54:50.479 into services because um, many of the services just don't 0:54:50.560 --> 0:54:54.840 fit people. UM. So they want to paint this picture 0:54:55.080 --> 0:54:58.160 that all the unsheltered people that are out in their tents, 0:54:58.239 --> 0:55:00.320 living on the street, or living in their view goals 0:55:00.360 --> 0:55:04.280 are service resistant. Um. And I hear that all the time. 0:55:04.480 --> 0:55:08.479 You know, we asked them, they don't want to It's 0:55:08.520 --> 0:55:11.360 not that people don't want services. Many of these people 0:55:11.400 --> 0:55:13.960 have tried some of the service centers in San Diego 0:55:14.440 --> 0:55:19.719 and the barriers are extremely high. Um. You know, the 0:55:20.400 --> 0:55:22.880 check in time and check out time can be difficult 0:55:22.880 --> 0:55:28.440 for people. UM, they'll separate families so UM. You know, 0:55:28.600 --> 0:55:31.520 sometimes the they'll tell you, oh, you can go in 0:55:31.560 --> 0:55:34.200 together if your husband and wife or if your partners, 0:55:34.520 --> 0:55:37.120 and then you get to the shelters and they say, 0:55:37.160 --> 0:55:40.480 I'm sorry, you can't be together because okay, so you 0:55:40.520 --> 0:55:42.680 have to go to a men's shelter and you have 0:55:42.719 --> 0:55:45.440 to go to a women shelter. UM. They'll also do 0:55:45.520 --> 0:55:48.279 that with uh. Say a mother has a sixteen year 0:55:48.280 --> 0:55:51.280 old son and she needs to go into a shelter, 0:55:51.520 --> 0:55:54.799 and there's not a family shelter, UM, she cannot take 0:55:54.800 --> 0:55:58.400 her a women shelter with her. He has to go 0:55:58.440 --> 0:56:02.719 into a men's shelter. UM. So you know, then you know, 0:56:02.760 --> 0:56:06.040 people with their pets, they're only source of like love 0:56:06.200 --> 0:56:09.760 and acceptance. You know, a lot of places won't take pets. 0:56:10.280 --> 0:56:14.399 A lot of places they're using substances. So we've got 0:56:14.400 --> 0:56:18.040 all these boundaries that are keeping people on the streets, 0:56:18.560 --> 0:56:22.759 and no one's talking about that, and no one's talking 0:56:22.840 --> 0:56:25.399 about the fact that some of not all of them, 0:56:25.400 --> 0:56:29.799 but some of the service providers are profiting off of 0:56:29.840 --> 0:56:34.359 these poor people because they represent state and federal dollars. UM. 0:56:34.400 --> 0:56:38.239 So you've got shelters that are run horribly, and you know, 0:56:38.320 --> 0:56:40.520 the more people that come in, they just want to 0:56:40.520 --> 0:56:44.960 cycle them through because that gives them money. CEO and 0:56:45.040 --> 0:56:47.560 all of their family members that are you know, working 0:56:47.560 --> 0:56:52.000 for the nonprofit UM and and these people because they're unsheltered, 0:56:52.680 --> 0:56:55.439 they don't feel they have a voice, they don't feel 0:56:55.440 --> 0:56:58.200 they can speak up because of retaliation. So they're just 0:56:58.360 --> 0:57:03.120 constantly and then you've got the city who's saying, look 0:57:03.120 --> 0:57:07.120 at all these fantastic things we're doing UM, which is 0:57:07.880 --> 0:57:11.200 couldn't be farther from the truth UM, And then they 0:57:11.280 --> 0:57:15.279 constantly use the narrator that folks are service resistant UM. 0:57:16.000 --> 0:57:19.920 Services that are out there are too few and too difficult, 0:57:20.360 --> 0:57:24.160 and just they're not meaning people where they're at and 0:57:24.280 --> 0:57:29.600 they're just setting people up to fail every time. Another 0:57:29.600 --> 0:57:31.680 thing I want to get into with the shelter specifically, 0:57:31.800 --> 0:57:35.400 is these congregate shelters, right, and what in the in 0:57:35.480 --> 0:57:38.560 the context of an ongoing pandemic that maybe is transitioning 0:57:38.560 --> 0:57:42.520 into another pandemic, can you explain what what's a congregated shelter? Right? 0:57:42.560 --> 0:57:46.560 It's along word, but what does it mean? And how 0:57:46.680 --> 0:57:50.439 are those dangerous especially for medically compromised older people living 0:57:50.440 --> 0:57:53.240 on the street. Both of our shelter system here in 0:57:53.280 --> 0:57:55.720 San Diego. In the city of San Diego is congregate 0:57:55.800 --> 0:58:00.600 shelter h meaning people are just placed in big room 0:58:00.960 --> 0:58:04.720 or in some cases big circus type tents. We have 0:58:04.760 --> 0:58:07.080 a few of those where people are sleeping in cotton 0:58:07.920 --> 0:58:10.800 three ft apart. So you can imagine how horrible that 0:58:10.920 --> 0:58:13.760 is for the spread of disease. That's why we've had 0:58:13.840 --> 0:58:17.680 some very large outbreaks of COVID in our in our 0:58:17.680 --> 0:58:21.680 shelter system, and and they're frequently closed to new intakes. 0:58:22.080 --> 0:58:26.919 I think it's really let folks know that, Like you said, 0:58:26.960 --> 0:58:30.040 if you live, if you look at mayor glorious Twitter 0:58:30.120 --> 0:58:33.240 or social media feed, you think they're doing everything they 0:58:33.280 --> 0:58:36.919 can and there's all these resources, But on any given day, 0:58:36.920 --> 0:58:41.360 there may be a few dozen shelter beds, literally thousands 0:58:41.360 --> 0:58:43.840 and thousands of people that are sleeping on our streets 0:58:43.840 --> 0:58:47.920 at night. And the only reason there's a few dozen 0:58:47.960 --> 0:58:50.680 shelter beds is because they've kicked some people out that 0:58:50.760 --> 0:58:54.280 day for a breaking some minor rules. Most people who 0:58:54.360 --> 0:58:59.240 leave shelter street, so shelter is not a very good 0:58:59.280 --> 0:59:03.720 pathway to anything roughly one in seven people who leaves 0:59:03.760 --> 0:59:07.040 a City of San Diego shelter go to a permanent 0:59:07.080 --> 0:59:12.680 housing solution. That's that's a very very In fact, under 0:59:12.720 --> 0:59:16.560 Mayor Gloria, I've seen some of the lowest success rates 0:59:16.600 --> 0:59:18.720 of our system than I've ever seen in my thirteen 0:59:18.760 --> 0:59:23.000 years of working on this. Our our system has actually 0:59:24.400 --> 0:59:31.120 is actually working worse. For Todd, Gloria took over, so 0:59:31.200 --> 0:59:35.000 he has done very very little, and most of what 0:59:35.080 --> 0:59:39.400 he's done has been mostly performative, adding some shelter beds 0:59:39.400 --> 0:59:44.360 here and there, uh very little on the house. In fact, 0:59:44.520 --> 0:59:47.680 he's left tens of millions of dollars on the table 0:59:47.720 --> 0:59:51.040 that he hasn't applied for. He did not utilize a 0:59:51.120 --> 0:59:55.400 California funding stream called Project Room Key that would have 0:59:55.400 --> 1:00:00.680 allowed him to rent hotel rooms most and dime on 1:00:00.760 --> 1:00:04.000 our taxpayer dime to get people off the street. He 1:00:04.160 --> 1:00:08.800 actually refused to do that. He has refused to open 1:00:08.880 --> 1:00:13.680 safe camp areas where people could go and camp and 1:00:13.720 --> 1:00:17.960 get off of the sidewalk. Many of us and and 1:00:18.000 --> 1:00:21.600 others in the community have pushed for real solutions and 1:00:21.680 --> 1:00:25.080 for him to utilize these funding sources, and he's absolutely 1:00:25.320 --> 1:00:30.320 refused to do it. Meanwhile, like we stated earlier, he 1:00:30.400 --> 1:00:35.520 has the plus garbage trucks and everybody else to go 1:00:35.560 --> 1:00:40.480 out there and make people's lives miserable. So he's just 1:00:40.600 --> 1:00:44.480 been an absolute failure on this issue. And at the 1:00:44.520 --> 1:00:47.000 same time, he's been the one who's given the most 1:00:48.800 --> 1:00:54.280 two solutions for this. It is absolutely incredible what a 1:00:54.400 --> 1:00:59.800 disaster he has been for, not only for the unsheltered community, 1:00:59.840 --> 1:01:05.120 but for San Diego. I've begun I've that he is 1:01:05.920 --> 1:01:10.960 San Diego's worst enemy, and and I just can't believe 1:01:11.600 --> 1:01:15.320 as somebody who supported him, supported him in his election 1:01:16.360 --> 1:01:22.000 urge people to vote for him. Oh who do winked? 1:01:22.040 --> 1:01:25.960 I was. I just can't believe that this guy has 1:01:26.000 --> 1:01:29.240 been so horrible for our city and and and every 1:01:29.280 --> 1:01:32.160 indication is that he's going to continue being He's gonna 1:01:32.960 --> 1:01:36.600 continue running the vide into the ground. People die on 1:01:36.640 --> 1:01:40.240 our streets at record numbers. Correct me if I'm wrong, 1:01:40.360 --> 1:01:42.640 But but didn't when he came out of the gate, 1:01:42.720 --> 1:01:47.560 didn't Gloria how many people he was gonna house under 1:01:47.640 --> 1:01:50.360 his term, and didn't me low ball at the lower 1:01:50.400 --> 1:01:54.400 the number than than in previous years. Oh yeah, that 1:01:54.480 --> 1:01:58.160 was some kind of a yeah, they or a federal 1:01:58.200 --> 1:02:01.200 government goal that he set, and he actually set a 1:02:01.320 --> 1:02:04.480 goal of housing people that was less than we had 1:02:04.520 --> 1:02:07.360 done in the previous year. So his his big stretch 1:02:08.200 --> 1:02:13.160 was to actually house fewer people. I don't know, I 1:02:13.240 --> 1:02:16.240 don't even know if he's even getting there. I mean, 1:02:16.320 --> 1:02:20.800 this guy, this, this guy is unbelievable. The kind of 1:02:20.840 --> 1:02:26.440 nonsense that he is pulling on the citizens of our city. 1:02:27.040 --> 1:02:33.280 It is unbelievable. Has invested so much in pr and 1:02:33.440 --> 1:02:37.040 he's got these folks who who are just good at 1:02:37.080 --> 1:02:42.080 spinning this this nonsense to make it sound good. And 1:02:42.240 --> 1:02:46.560 because he gets a lot of media big obviously a 1:02:46.560 --> 1:02:53.160 big pulpit to disput this nonsense from he's he's able 1:02:53.200 --> 1:02:55.000 to get a lot of people to believe it. Now 1:02:55.040 --> 1:02:58.360 on homelessness, anybody who has a decent set of eyes, 1:02:58.440 --> 1:03:02.120 it's basically calling bullshit. I don't know. I don't know 1:03:02.160 --> 1:03:04.880 a whole lot of people anymore who think we're we're 1:03:04.920 --> 1:03:08.840 doing very well on this issue. And so I think 1:03:08.880 --> 1:03:11.920 he's gonna have a harder and harder time convincing people 1:03:11.960 --> 1:03:17.800 that he's worthy of worthy of reelection of a higher 1:03:17.840 --> 1:03:20.000 office at some point, which is all he seems to 1:03:20.040 --> 1:03:26.320 care about yeah more so, so he's personally to blame. 1:03:26.440 --> 1:03:29.760 He has personal involvement of getting rid of ten thousand 1:03:30.400 --> 1:03:33.560 s r O single rental units that that if we 1:03:33.640 --> 1:03:38.000 had minus our eight thousand homeless people, we would not 1:03:38.160 --> 1:03:42.480 have homelessness of units that he was required to replace 1:03:42.560 --> 1:03:47.120 and never replace them. That's his fault. UM, I call 1:03:47.200 --> 1:03:52.520 him a monster. I I was gonna criminalize, but he 1:03:52.600 --> 1:03:56.160 was a Republican. We expected it of him, and he 1:03:56.280 --> 1:03:59.320 didn't tell the promise less he was gonna end criminalization 1:03:59.360 --> 1:04:02.520 to get our vote. UM. One of the reasons that 1:04:02.680 --> 1:04:05.880 are probably the only the main reason that that Glory 1:04:06.840 --> 1:04:11.280 didn't put funding into Project Group key Um was because 1:04:11.400 --> 1:04:14.640 the city is in this unique position of owning and 1:04:14.720 --> 1:04:18.760 operating the nonprofit that runs the convention center. So when 1:04:18.760 --> 1:04:21.880 COVID hit, they were looking at nonprofit going belly up 1:04:22.760 --> 1:04:25.000 events in there and having to lay off all their staff. 1:04:25.320 --> 1:04:27.720 So instead of putting people in hotels where they'd be safe, 1:04:27.880 --> 1:04:29.840 they put them in a convention center where they'd be 1:04:29.880 --> 1:04:32.880 exposed to COVID and would die. But the city funded 1:04:33.120 --> 1:04:39.280 convin nonprofit would be funded. So UM Dutch and A 1:04:39.400 --> 1:04:42.680 hundred and thirty two million dollars is what Todd Gloria 1:04:42.840 --> 1:04:45.800 got the city to to pay out on a settlement 1:04:45.840 --> 1:04:49.160 on Ash Street as his boom dogg all if he 1:04:49.280 --> 1:04:51.880 cost us that, he convinced city council to invest all 1:04:51.920 --> 1:04:55.600 this money to slide donor money too, slight city money 1:04:55.600 --> 1:04:59.760 to his donors for the listeners who aren't familiar with 1:05:00.040 --> 1:05:04.520 great scene. So, James, if you were going to go 1:05:04.560 --> 1:05:07.680 buy a house right now, uh, you would think it 1:05:07.760 --> 1:05:13.080 is important a property inspection? Correct? Yes? Ye? Would you 1:05:13.120 --> 1:05:16.640 think it would be important to google or seek out 1:05:16.680 --> 1:05:22.280 documents that may inform you of asbestos prior to your purchase? Yeah? 1:05:22.320 --> 1:05:26.040 I do want to know that. Yeah. So these are 1:05:26.160 --> 1:05:28.640 two of the opportunities that they missed when they entered 1:05:28.640 --> 1:05:33.360 this deal with UH, with the one on one Ash Street. Um, 1:05:33.440 --> 1:05:38.120 so they basically had a middleman SISTERA come in and 1:05:38.160 --> 1:05:40.560 purchased the property and then least to own it back 1:05:40.560 --> 1:05:44.440 to the At no time was an inspection done. The 1:05:44.560 --> 1:05:49.440 asbestos wash people were aware of it, um, but there 1:05:49.480 --> 1:05:52.320 was no studies done on what the impact was going 1:05:52.400 --> 1:05:54.760 to be in all that. So now we've got ourselves 1:05:54.800 --> 1:05:59.440 sunk into this deal that is taxpayers two hundred and 1:05:59.480 --> 1:06:05.320 two million dollars, right, So I punched some of the maths, okay, 1:06:05.640 --> 1:06:10.880 And if you assume uh, one year's rent as twenty 1:06:10.960 --> 1:06:16.360 four thousand dollars, right, two and two million divided by 1:06:16.640 --> 1:06:20.840 thousand dollars is more than eight thousand people that this 1:06:21.000 --> 1:06:25.320 taxpayer money, you know. And it's always it's just and 1:06:25.400 --> 1:06:27.720 it's in a cycle, and it's it's not only the 1:06:27.800 --> 1:06:31.800 cycle there. But we don't have enough police, so they're 1:06:31.840 --> 1:06:34.160 bringing in more police when we don't have the housing. 1:06:34.560 --> 1:06:36.320 And then the police that we do have are working 1:06:36.400 --> 1:06:39.680 overtime to pick up shopping carts and throw away tents, 1:06:39.720 --> 1:06:44.000 you know. So yeah, so the as street deal, there's 1:06:44.080 --> 1:06:48.280 plenty to go. It is uh like historically going to 1:06:48.360 --> 1:06:51.640 go down in San Diego's screw ups for sure. Yeah, 1:06:51.760 --> 1:06:55.240 it's a giant monument to grift go ahead, but we 1:06:55.320 --> 1:06:57.880 don't have any police. Is also more gas lighting. We 1:06:57.960 --> 1:07:02.000 have started professing law thirty years ago to police officers 1:07:02.040 --> 1:07:04.600 would show up at the scene. Now at least six 1:07:04.680 --> 1:07:07.560 police officers show up every single time. We have an 1:07:07.560 --> 1:07:12.360 overblight of of police and we could afford to lay 1:07:12.360 --> 1:07:16.560 off two thirds yeah yeah, but instead we just built 1:07:16.600 --> 1:07:21.560 childcarec and fluid spinking back on that real quick about 1:07:21.600 --> 1:07:27.200 the police, um one, I think they also push the 1:07:27.280 --> 1:07:30.240 narrative that you know, there's this hot team, the homeless 1:07:30.280 --> 1:07:34.120 outreach team, that the police they never take water, they 1:07:34.160 --> 1:07:39.200 never really take anything. Um, And they search for unsheltered 1:07:39.240 --> 1:07:46.400 people and thence and they rarely get any traffic to 1:07:46.560 --> 1:07:51.640 these things. And people often wonder why, Um, we cannot 1:07:51.680 --> 1:07:58.080 expect unsheltered people to trust and accept help people that 1:07:58.200 --> 1:08:02.160 criminalize them, to arisee them, harass them and throw their 1:08:02.200 --> 1:08:06.480 things away. UM. So you know, adding more police to 1:08:06.560 --> 1:08:10.320 deal with homelessness, Um, it's just also a waste of money. 1:08:10.480 --> 1:08:15.240 It causes more trauma to the unsheltered people unnecessary. So 1:08:15.280 --> 1:08:19.040 we're talking about this duality between like what said and 1:08:19.160 --> 1:08:21.120 what what what exists on the street, right, And it's 1:08:21.240 --> 1:08:24.000 it's very apparent people on the internet left to be 1:08:24.040 --> 1:08:30.040 wrong about George or well. But the one time recently 1:08:30.080 --> 1:08:31.920 where I felt that like, oh well would be a 1:08:32.000 --> 1:08:34.240 useful things to deploy is the idea of a care court, 1:08:35.000 --> 1:08:37.200 like which is the thing that Todd has been very 1:08:37.200 --> 1:08:41.320 strong on to gavin nuisance. First right courts, in my opinion, 1:08:41.360 --> 1:08:45.519 don't care about people. So can someone explain what a 1:08:45.600 --> 1:08:48.759 care court is and why it's relevant in this setting. 1:08:49.479 --> 1:08:52.920 So framework of this is you have a bunch of 1:08:53.320 --> 1:08:59.519 um liberals in Gloria and Gavin Knistance ear saying we 1:08:59.600 --> 1:09:03.040 have to, uh, we have to end homelessness, and the 1:09:03.080 --> 1:09:06.960 politicians are saying, oh, well, we can't and home because 1:09:06.960 --> 1:09:10.880 they're all mentally ill drug users. Okay, So that's the 1:09:10.920 --> 1:09:13.240 first premise that we're working with, and they're not. Ten 1:09:14.200 --> 1:09:17.560 are used drugs in a mental illness and debilitating to 1:09:17.680 --> 1:09:24.200 an abilitating extent. And the homeless population. Um, this uh 1:09:24.520 --> 1:09:28.040 is parallels the rate of drug use in the house community. 1:09:28.160 --> 1:09:31.280 We don't take houses away from drug users who are 1:09:31.360 --> 1:09:34.519 housed and make them get sober before we return their 1:09:34.520 --> 1:09:38.200 houses to them. So requiring that they be sober bes 1:09:38.880 --> 1:09:42.360 how is asked backwards? Um, we have to get them 1:09:42.360 --> 1:09:47.599 into housing first. Now the care court is set up 1:09:47.640 --> 1:09:50.960 just to pass more money to their donors. That's all 1:09:50.960 --> 1:09:53.800 it's set up to do. It's not gonna ease anything. 1:09:54.680 --> 1:09:58.080 It's gonna set up a situation where a person is 1:09:58.120 --> 1:10:02.400 considered gravely disabled then they can be put into a conservatorship. 1:10:02.439 --> 1:10:06.679 And gravely disabled is defined as unable to provide shelter 1:10:06.800 --> 1:10:11.640 for oneself. So essentially everybody who is cooled, bably disabled 1:10:11.920 --> 1:10:14.720 and the rich who got them in this position can 1:10:14.760 --> 1:10:18.240 make all the decisions for them. I'm very passionate about 1:10:18.280 --> 1:10:21.720 this because it's it's cruel and it's it's it's it's 1:10:21.840 --> 1:10:27.840 essentially the return of all the yea that was set 1:10:27.920 --> 1:10:31.000 set turned off. The whole reason that you know, Reagan 1:10:31.040 --> 1:10:34.800 got every get everybody released from the prisons because of 1:10:34.840 --> 1:10:37.000 the mental illness, but he never paid. There was never 1:10:37.000 --> 1:10:42.800 any payment into community mental health services. So um, now 1:10:42.840 --> 1:10:45.679 they want to return them to the institutionalization after never 1:10:45.760 --> 1:10:49.479 providing any street a sufficient street um services for them. 1:10:49.520 --> 1:10:55.120 And that's that's just cruel. Yeah. And so with the 1:10:55.160 --> 1:10:58.519 whole care court plan, there's like all in it. One 1:10:58.600 --> 1:11:00.880 is that it does not mention and that there is 1:11:01.040 --> 1:11:05.200 any housing uh stipulation at all, So it does not 1:11:05.360 --> 1:11:10.160 say that the conservator must provide them shelter. Um. The 1:11:10.439 --> 1:11:13.080 checking guidelines are once every thirty days, which is about 1:11:13.880 --> 1:11:15.679 time period that we have them checking with their case 1:11:15.720 --> 1:11:19.160 managers is at least once every thirty days. Um. And 1:11:19.200 --> 1:11:22.280 they also try to try to tell it like, um, 1:11:22.880 --> 1:11:26.519 well it's it could be temporary, right, like, once they 1:11:26.600 --> 1:11:30.120 get better, then they'll be off. The concert as to 1:11:30.200 --> 1:11:32.919 me is it's like, okay, you forced them into treatment, 1:11:33.000 --> 1:11:35.240 and then once they get kicked out of treatment, you say, okay, 1:11:35.240 --> 1:11:38.200 they're healed, and then you know they're back away from 1:11:38.200 --> 1:11:43.240 their services. And I've had clients who thought maybe a 1:11:43.240 --> 1:11:47.080 conservatorship is right for me, begging where they're like, I 1:11:47.160 --> 1:11:50.080 just can't do stuff right like you know. Um. And 1:11:50.120 --> 1:11:52.800 I had one client specifically asked me to be her conservator, 1:11:53.280 --> 1:11:57.200 and I care about her so much, UM and if 1:11:57.240 --> 1:12:00.559 I thought that her having a conservator would really benefit her. 1:12:02.080 --> 1:12:04.800 But as of right now, there's no difference in um, 1:12:04.800 --> 1:12:07.960 whether a conservator can get somebody shelter better than me 1:12:08.000 --> 1:12:10.400 as a service provider, or if they can get them 1:12:10.400 --> 1:12:13.280 into a treatment program better than a service provider. Now, 1:12:13.320 --> 1:12:15.880 Colleen was talking about how only ten of our homeless 1:12:15.920 --> 1:12:19.519 population has a drug in San Diego County as a whole, 1:12:19.560 --> 1:12:25.320 fifteen percent of Sandy against have a substance use issue. Right, 1:12:26.200 --> 1:12:31.559 my type percent was debilitating, a debilitating Uh yeah, okay, 1:12:31.560 --> 1:12:35.720 good to clarify, Um, Instead pcent is way more than 1:12:35.720 --> 1:12:38.840 our homeless population. Those aren't the only ones with substance use. 1:12:39.200 --> 1:12:42.000 But if you're on medical right, if you're low income 1:12:42.040 --> 1:12:44.200 and low income in in San Diego as anyone making 1:12:44.280 --> 1:12:47.599 less than seventy six thousand dollars per year UM, which 1:12:47.760 --> 1:12:50.080 is a lot more people than they really if you 1:12:50.840 --> 1:12:56.840 are low income um untilicet bumping just because if you're 1:12:56.880 --> 1:12:59.400 low income. But I have some memes here. I want 1:12:59.400 --> 1:13:03.479 to point facts on the care Court. Care Court to 1:13:03.600 --> 1:13:09.600 address houselessness. Five million dollar budget, zero will go to 1:13:09.640 --> 1:13:14.880 housing and zero will go to mental health services. That's shocking. 1:13:15.280 --> 1:13:18.160 Zero to mental health services are housing. Care Court will 1:13:18.160 --> 1:13:23.040 weaponize its unchecked power and worse than historical violence against communities, 1:13:23.760 --> 1:13:27.080 and care Court claims to address mental health ability disabilities, 1:13:27.479 --> 1:13:30.439 but allows a judge to rub anyone they find unfit 1:13:30.520 --> 1:13:34.840 of autonomy over their health, home, and life. Yeah, and 1:13:34.880 --> 1:13:39.000 I did remember my thoughts. So um, like the people 1:13:39.080 --> 1:13:44.320 on medical um there as far as it's like we 1:13:44.320 --> 1:13:46.719 already know fentin als and everything. Now, even if somebody 1:13:46.760 --> 1:13:49.640 thinks they're getting coke or or whatever they think it is, 1:13:49.800 --> 1:13:52.519 typically there is s fentl in it. So um, anyone 1:13:52.600 --> 1:13:57.160 who does wish to go through a detox um it's 1:13:57.160 --> 1:14:01.000 impossible to get them bets of aients who come in there, 1:14:01.040 --> 1:14:03.400 like please, I know, I know, I've got to get 1:14:03.439 --> 1:14:06.519 work this out of my life, and I'm gonna try. 1:14:06.680 --> 1:14:09.360 Can you get me into detox? Almost spend the whole day, 1:14:09.760 --> 1:14:13.000 you know? And and and there's one and like all 1:14:13.040 --> 1:14:17.400 these people are competing, but the detox facility. So if 1:14:17.439 --> 1:14:19.720 it was like we had the infrastructure set up, and 1:14:19.720 --> 1:14:22.160 we had this awesome mental health care, and we had 1:14:22.200 --> 1:14:25.519 these awesome like street medics and street therapy, and we 1:14:25.600 --> 1:14:28.200 had okay, and everyone in the Conservative ship is gonna 1:14:28.920 --> 1:14:33.320 be housed at this place, like maybe, but like this 1:14:33.400 --> 1:14:36.240 whole thing, it's just it's it's a lot of crap. 1:14:36.520 --> 1:14:39.400 So if I if we had, if we had all 1:14:39.400 --> 1:14:42.479 those things, if we had a good system that had 1:14:42.560 --> 1:14:46.960 good substance use treatment, good mental health care, and housing, 1:14:47.880 --> 1:14:50.559 we wouldn't have all these folks on the street. Amen. 1:14:50.720 --> 1:14:55.920 So it's kind of interesting that they're creating something to 1:14:56.000 --> 1:14:59.759 solve an issue that they don't have the infrastructure to solve. 1:15:00.400 --> 1:15:05.200 But I think it's important to note that h Care 1:15:05.280 --> 1:15:08.679 Court is a conservatorship, but we already have conservatorship law. 1:15:11.120 --> 1:15:14.840 Conservatives laws, they're very strict. It's a very high threshold 1:15:15.280 --> 1:15:19.360 to get somebody conserved currently for good reason. You're taking 1:15:19.360 --> 1:15:22.360 away somebody's civil You're taking away somebody's right to make 1:15:22.439 --> 1:15:26.320 their own decisions, is what a conservators But for some 1:15:26.439 --> 1:15:31.640 folks that are gravely disabled and impaired, it is the 1:15:31.640 --> 1:15:34.280 best thing to do. It's for you know, for very 1:15:34.320 --> 1:15:39.240 few people. But but that the city attorneys and the 1:15:39.360 --> 1:15:45.479 people in the hospital, uh, the workers, Uh, they don't 1:15:45.520 --> 1:15:49.439 want to go through it because it is very difficult 1:15:49.479 --> 1:15:53.479 and challenging, and oftentimes the judge, the judge will deny 1:15:53.560 --> 1:15:58.800 it because that's how important it is for people to 1:15:58.840 --> 1:16:01.880 have these civil rights. So sometimes even have to do 1:16:01.880 --> 1:16:04.639 it multiple times with somebody who probably you know, who 1:16:04.640 --> 1:16:07.719 may actually need it. And I speak from firsthand experience 1:16:07.720 --> 1:16:11.080 of helping people, you know, go through this process and 1:16:11.120 --> 1:16:15.320 try to you know, and conservatorship on somebody who just 1:16:15.360 --> 1:16:20.200 really really needs it care court would lower that threshold 1:16:20.439 --> 1:16:24.160 so much I I doubt it's legal. I'm sure it's 1:16:24.160 --> 1:16:30.080 gonna get challenged in court. It it is such a 1:16:30.439 --> 1:16:36.240 dangerous leap against our civil liberties or civil rights, uh 1:16:36.479 --> 1:16:39.599 that I I just am gonna find it incredible if 1:16:39.680 --> 1:16:43.439 if judges allow this to move forward when it's challenged. Uh. 1:16:44.479 --> 1:16:49.519 But thing is that people need help, they need care, 1:16:49.760 --> 1:16:54.160 not court. And if we would provide the care, which 1:16:54.160 --> 1:16:57.599 are elected officials don't want to do. I think this 1:16:57.680 --> 1:16:59.760 is just a cop out on their part. I think 1:17:00.200 --> 1:17:06.240 is this is the elected officials saying, uh, we have failed, 1:17:06.800 --> 1:17:10.519 so we'll just pun it to the courts and let 1:17:10.560 --> 1:17:14.759 them take ownership and control of this, which in effect 1:17:14.800 --> 1:17:17.840 the courts are just kicking it to the county. Is 1:17:17.840 --> 1:17:21.240 our behavioral health provider who's gonna have to provide these 1:17:21.240 --> 1:17:24.960 services and be responsible for these folks. I think this 1:17:25.080 --> 1:17:28.280 is gonna be set a train wreck. But the one 1:17:28.360 --> 1:17:35.479 thing it is illuminating is that our behavioral health system 1:17:36.800 --> 1:17:43.840 is so broken, so dysfunctional, that they would even be 1:17:44.000 --> 1:17:47.680 trying to do this. I think it's basically a an 1:17:47.680 --> 1:17:53.320 indictment and but care court is not going to fix 1:17:53.360 --> 1:17:56.879 anything that's and I think it's setting people up for failure. 1:17:57.840 --> 1:18:03.360 I've talked to some families who are who are really 1:18:04.040 --> 1:18:10.160 now These are who have uh seriously mentally ill loved ones, 1:18:10.200 --> 1:18:16.840 whether it's spouses or children, um siblings. They see this 1:18:17.000 --> 1:18:23.960 as a silver bullet two get their loved ones. And 1:18:24.760 --> 1:18:28.200 maybe it works better for that segment of the population 1:18:28.240 --> 1:18:32.040 because they have somebody, they have a loved one as 1:18:32.080 --> 1:18:38.040 an advocate to make sure that the care is the 1:18:38.120 --> 1:18:42.439 care is the focus. But for for unsheltered folks, they're 1:18:42.439 --> 1:18:47.720 gonna be abused and used by this system. Uh maybe warehoused. 1:18:48.720 --> 1:18:51.479 Who knows, they're gonna end up worse off in my opinion, 1:18:51.600 --> 1:18:58.000 and so and against it as it's written, and certainly 1:18:58.120 --> 1:19:01.040 fear that the implementation and of it is going to 1:19:01.080 --> 1:19:08.479 be a travesty that I just can't imagine. I can't 1:19:08.479 --> 1:19:14.080 imagine this so called liberal state. Uh, we try to 1:19:14.160 --> 1:19:19.400 trample the rights of people like this, and oh boy, 1:19:19.439 --> 1:19:22.439 I tell you it's there's so much dangerous about this 1:19:22.600 --> 1:19:24.960 that I mean, we could we could have a whole 1:19:25.640 --> 1:19:28.439 of this and maybe and I'm sure there will be 1:19:28.479 --> 1:19:32.920 a lot of talk about this down the road. Yeah yeah, alright. 1:19:33.000 --> 1:19:36.400 So what I want to do is focus a little 1:19:36.400 --> 1:19:38.920 bit to finish up here on some solutions. So the 1:19:39.000 --> 1:19:42.599 things that a lot of you guys are doing right 1:19:42.600 --> 1:19:47.000 now to provide people with help, to provide people with 1:19:47.040 --> 1:19:53.439 the basic being a dignified existence, and like how the 1:19:53.479 --> 1:19:55.920 state could do better? Right like, what what housing first 1:19:55.920 --> 1:19:59.080 solutions look like? What solutions are informed by evidence rather 1:19:59.240 --> 1:20:01.280 just informed by sort of cruelty and the desire to 1:20:01.360 --> 1:20:05.080 brush the problem aside. Those I think you have to. 1:20:05.320 --> 1:20:08.320 You know, you can't expect people to get well on 1:20:08.400 --> 1:20:12.240 the street, so you've you've got to get them inside 1:20:12.840 --> 1:20:15.880 UM and congregate shelters. We've already talked about why those 1:20:15.920 --> 1:20:19.880 are so problematic on so many levels. UM. There is 1:20:19.920 --> 1:20:21.960 a model in San Diego that's being used by a 1:20:22.000 --> 1:20:27.480 nonprofit UM there right now. It's only for elderly UM individuals. 1:20:27.680 --> 1:20:31.200 It's called Housing for the Homeless, and they put UM 1:20:31.479 --> 1:20:36.799 unsheltered elderly folks in hotel rooms and it's had tremendous success. 1:20:37.400 --> 1:20:42.759 For some reason, it cannot get funding for UM county funding. UM. 1:20:42.800 --> 1:20:45.000 But getting these people off the street and out of 1:20:45.040 --> 1:20:49.960 survival mode is first and foremost. And then you've got 1:20:50.000 --> 1:20:53.280 them in a stable place so that services can find 1:20:53.320 --> 1:20:56.400 them when they need them. They can get the at 1:20:56.439 --> 1:21:01.120 mental health services UM. You know, we need to bolster 1:21:01.280 --> 1:21:06.400 our our rehab an addiction UM services. We also need 1:21:06.400 --> 1:21:10.600 more harm reduction UM. You know it can take you 1:21:10.800 --> 1:21:15.439 one through two detox at McAlister, which is the only 1:21:16.120 --> 1:21:19.479 UM detox center in San Diego south of Incimidi's and 1:21:19.960 --> 1:21:24.280 Detox is separate from UM. So we living. So you 1:21:24.400 --> 1:21:26.519 made detox and then it may be another one to 1:21:26.600 --> 1:21:30.120 three week wait, UM get into sober living, which is 1:21:30.200 --> 1:21:31.800 just enough time to get turned back out on the 1:21:31.880 --> 1:21:36.120 streets and relax again. UM. And after that, even there's 1:21:36.160 --> 1:21:39.360 no housing at the end of the tunnel, so you know, 1:21:39.600 --> 1:21:45.000 really the biggest thing that we're missing is housing, and 1:21:45.040 --> 1:21:48.120 then everything else trickles down from there. UM. You know, 1:21:48.240 --> 1:21:50.599 just building these relationships with people so that they can 1:21:50.840 --> 1:21:52.840 can trust that you're on their side and you're not 1:21:53.000 --> 1:21:55.200 going to lie to them, give them antie promises or 1:21:55.640 --> 1:21:59.040 or use them in some way to uh, to monetize 1:21:59.080 --> 1:22:02.439 them for is one of the biggest things that I've 1:22:02.760 --> 1:22:05.160 found of importance for me as an on the ground 1:22:05.520 --> 1:22:08.960 UM you know, outreach worker and doing mutual aid. UM. 1:22:09.760 --> 1:22:11.120 You know, most of the time, these people just don't 1:22:11.120 --> 1:22:15.080 have water, you know, they're they're thirsty, they're hungry, UM 1:22:16.240 --> 1:22:21.880 what poverty looks like. UM. So I think we've you know, 1:22:21.960 --> 1:22:25.920 we've got to get these people inside UM immediately, and 1:22:26.160 --> 1:22:29.519 then we start deploying the resources to them, um, to 1:22:29.680 --> 1:22:33.960 help them recover from the trauma or you know, whatever 1:22:34.040 --> 1:22:36.920 trauma led them to be in that situation. Um. I 1:22:37.040 --> 1:22:41.040 think people often forget that a lot of folks on 1:22:41.160 --> 1:22:43.760 the street. Um, you know, there's the foster to the 1:22:43.800 --> 1:22:48.360 streets pipeline, there's the jail to the streets pipeline. So 1:22:49.400 --> 1:22:51.920 you know, many people don't end up on the streets 1:22:52.000 --> 1:22:54.920 because they have family to help them. And a lot 1:22:54.960 --> 1:22:57.040 of these folks on the streets they don't have any 1:22:57.120 --> 1:23:01.600 family members. So um, you know, as a community, we 1:23:01.680 --> 1:23:06.280 need to set up and be their family. So that's great, 1:23:06.360 --> 1:23:09.280 and I think I think we we have to understand 1:23:09.360 --> 1:23:12.880 that the homeless service system, and I'm gonna talk about 1:23:12.920 --> 1:23:15.600 some of the good things that are it's important for 1:23:15.680 --> 1:23:18.519 people to know there's a ton of stuff happening both 1:23:18.600 --> 1:23:21.599 grassroots all the way up. But it's important to understand 1:23:21.720 --> 1:23:24.240 that the homeless service system can only do so much. 1:23:24.840 --> 1:23:27.920 As as Manny was talking about these pipelines that feed homelessness, 1:23:28.360 --> 1:23:31.559 people are becoming homelessness. I've never seen so many new 1:23:31.640 --> 1:23:33.160 people out here on the street. In my work, I'm 1:23:33.200 --> 1:23:36.040 on the street some part well a lot of the 1:23:36.240 --> 1:23:39.000 every day and I'm seeing more new people than I've 1:23:39.000 --> 1:23:41.680 ever seen in my last thirteen years. And there's all 1:23:41.720 --> 1:23:45.040 these feeder systems. It's it's child welfare, it's foster care, 1:23:45.160 --> 1:23:49.560 it's it's the education system. You know, you can name it. 1:23:49.680 --> 1:23:52.160 It's it's uh, the health care system. All these things 1:23:52.200 --> 1:23:56.639 are feeding homelessness. It's the it's the how we've commoditized housing. 1:23:56.880 --> 1:23:59.080 It's I mean, I can go on and on talking 1:23:59.120 --> 1:24:04.120 about feeding homelessness. It's safety nets, it's a lack of 1:24:04.160 --> 1:24:08.639 good mental health care and substance use care. So homeless 1:24:08.720 --> 1:24:13.040 services cannot control these things up above, these systems, these 1:24:13.120 --> 1:24:15.920 billion dollar systems that are feeds that are failing people 1:24:15.960 --> 1:24:19.920 and feeding homelessness. What system is And I like to say, 1:24:20.040 --> 1:24:22.240 they've got a lot of mission creep going on here 1:24:22.320 --> 1:24:25.240 because ideally they really should be focused on getting people 1:24:25.280 --> 1:24:27.880 into housing and out of homelessness, but they've become this 1:24:28.840 --> 1:24:33.639 this big system that's UH is really getting very costly, 1:24:34.600 --> 1:24:38.240 be inefficient and effective. But we know what solves homelessness. 1:24:38.880 --> 1:24:43.640 Housing and services solve homelessness, period and it works. We 1:24:43.800 --> 1:24:47.960 see when these new quality projects like Zephyr or Trinity 1:24:48.080 --> 1:24:54.519 place these uh they're not projects, they're housing. They're housing 1:24:54.600 --> 1:24:57.080 with services, so we call them projects, but they're just 1:24:57.240 --> 1:25:00.840 like any other apartment building really, except they have supportive 1:25:00.880 --> 1:25:04.040 services for folks and they work extremely well. They have 1:25:04.160 --> 1:25:09.280 a nine plus rate of keeping folks housed, even folks 1:25:09.320 --> 1:25:13.479 who have some who are disabled and have some significant issues. 1:25:14.200 --> 1:25:18.080 And it helps provide that self sufficiency by providing a 1:25:18.320 --> 1:25:21.840 deep rental subsidy and supportive services for folks who aren't 1:25:22.600 --> 1:25:26.840 take care of their own rent totally themselves. There is 1:25:26.920 --> 1:25:30.840 no free housing. Everybody who gets these these units pays 1:25:30.920 --> 1:25:36.439 thirty of their income, whether it's disability income, social Security retirement, whatever, 1:25:36.640 --> 1:25:42.240 they're paying some free housing. People are helping themselves and 1:25:42.360 --> 1:25:45.960 that's really important to say. And they're participating in services. 1:25:46.600 --> 1:25:50.960 But once you're in housing, your participation in services rates 1:25:51.200 --> 1:25:56.040 go up because people want to going better and stay 1:25:56.120 --> 1:25:58.880 in the housing. These things are being built, there're being 1:25:58.920 --> 1:26:02.280 built as we speak, but at a snail's pace. And 1:26:02.400 --> 1:26:05.080 that's the things that I fault are elected leadership for 1:26:05.280 --> 1:26:08.599 is they're nibbling around the edges. So Todd has Todd 1:26:08.640 --> 1:26:14.040 Gloria done some a few, but they're so small, and 1:26:14.160 --> 1:26:17.040 he blows them up to like he's solving something and 1:26:17.080 --> 1:26:19.439 he's not. Has the county done some good things, Yeah, 1:26:19.880 --> 1:26:22.160 they've actually done more good things than I've ever seen 1:26:22.240 --> 1:26:26.960 them do, but it's still not anywork the piece that 1:26:27.080 --> 1:26:30.240 we need. They've opened up some mental health crisis centers 1:26:30.280 --> 1:26:32.439 that are actually walk in centers. They put together some 1:26:32.520 --> 1:26:36.600 mental health crisis teams that respond to a small percentage 1:26:36.640 --> 1:26:40.599 of cases of when you call. But it is helping 1:26:41.120 --> 1:26:44.880 all of these What really needs to be done is 1:26:45.960 --> 1:26:48.920 the things that we know work need to be taken 1:26:48.960 --> 1:26:52.040 to scale. But we have to also understand the challenges 1:26:52.040 --> 1:26:54.880 of that. We can't just fault the elected officials for 1:26:55.160 --> 1:26:59.680 some things they don't have control over. As we all know, 1:27:00.600 --> 1:27:03.479 there's it's hard time. It's a hard time hiring people. 1:27:03.600 --> 1:27:06.240 So we need a lot more staff that work with 1:27:07.120 --> 1:27:10.200 that are providing mental health services and substance use services. 1:27:11.000 --> 1:27:15.280 But we won't get there. And this is officials have 1:27:15.800 --> 1:27:18.960 have a lot of fault is they've really not put 1:27:19.000 --> 1:27:21.360 a priority in on this issue. And this is where 1:27:21.400 --> 1:27:24.880 there's the biggest disconnect. On one hand, you have Todd 1:27:24.920 --> 1:27:28.320 Gloria constantly saying how this is his number one issue. 1:27:28.800 --> 1:27:33.679 On the other hand, so that I'm a big believer 1:27:33.800 --> 1:27:36.960 in in bicycle safety and safe roads and things like that. 1:27:37.160 --> 1:27:40.080 But he seems to put more importance on a bike 1:27:40.200 --> 1:27:44.800 lane than he does solving homelessness. And they're both important. 1:27:45.320 --> 1:27:51.679 But people dying on our streets because they're homeless, that's 1:27:51.920 --> 1:27:54.000 you know, he he needs to put. He needs to 1:27:54.120 --> 1:27:59.519 back up his his talk with action, just like you know. 1:28:00.000 --> 1:28:03.200 There they're expanding some bike lanes and I think, uh, 1:28:03.439 --> 1:28:05.040 I think they need to do it a lot smarter 1:28:05.200 --> 1:28:07.320 because some of them don't seem to be that safe 1:28:07.400 --> 1:28:12.000 to me. But that's a whole another show too I 1:28:12.040 --> 1:28:16.200 shouldn't be involved in. But they don't seem to be 1:28:16.400 --> 1:28:20.280 very strategic to me, and they be very they don't 1:28:20.320 --> 1:28:23.080 seem to care. They seem to be more interested in 1:28:23.200 --> 1:28:26.400 hoodwinking the public so they can get their next job. 1:28:26.880 --> 1:28:31.840 We need people who care mostly that care about people, 1:28:32.600 --> 1:28:37.040 but also care any efficiently and effectively. But some of 1:28:37.080 --> 1:28:40.040 the grassroots stuff, like I say, getting people into hotel 1:28:40.160 --> 1:28:42.600 rooms and then getting into housing is a good pathway. 1:28:44.040 --> 1:28:47.280 The county opened a small shelter. I think it's forty 1:28:47.360 --> 1:28:51.400 four beds or so. It's the first they open that's 1:28:51.479 --> 1:28:54.599 really more tailored towards people with substance use and mental 1:28:54.640 --> 1:28:58.000 health needs. It has a great uptake rate and and 1:28:58.200 --> 1:29:00.519 and the feedback from people on the street, which is good. 1:29:01.040 --> 1:29:03.120 So here we have something that the county did that 1:29:03.280 --> 1:29:06.920 was good. We need a lot more of them. They're 1:29:06.960 --> 1:29:12.920 opening another jumbo tent. So these things are very frustrating 1:29:12.960 --> 1:29:16.960 to folks like myself and Mandy Fellen, the different people 1:29:17.080 --> 1:29:19.400 that the people who are actually on the ground working 1:29:19.800 --> 1:29:23.800 that are trying to get people into We know what 1:29:24.680 --> 1:29:28.320 we know the things that people will go into, including 1:29:28.439 --> 1:29:32.080 substance use help. But whenever you try to get somebody 1:29:32.120 --> 1:29:34.360 in it and you're told there's a three week waiting list, 1:29:35.000 --> 1:29:39.519 you lose that person. They want to go. Now, you've 1:29:39.520 --> 1:29:43.640 got to be responsive to the person's motivation in that 1:29:43.840 --> 1:29:47.519 moment to get the help. And it's heartbreaking for people 1:29:47.600 --> 1:29:49.880 like Mandy and me who are out there on the 1:29:49.960 --> 1:29:55.120 street and people are crying out for this help. Bullshit 1:29:55.640 --> 1:29:58.400 when these folks, whether it's the police or the mayor, 1:29:58.560 --> 1:30:01.200 say that there's the people don't want help, it's really 1:30:01.240 --> 1:30:03.960 disgusting because when you're on the street like we are 1:30:04.400 --> 1:30:07.160 and people are pleading for this help and we can't 1:30:07.240 --> 1:30:12.040 help them because it's not available. And and we call bullshit. 1:30:12.880 --> 1:30:15.800 We call bullshit on on the rhetoric that comes out 1:30:16.320 --> 1:30:20.000 of these people's mouths. We know the people, we see 1:30:20.080 --> 1:30:24.040 their faces, those tears are real, that pleading for help 1:30:24.320 --> 1:30:29.519 is real, and help them if we do what's right. 1:30:29.800 --> 1:30:32.640 And so uh, we could talk all day about some 1:30:32.760 --> 1:30:35.760 of the good things too, that the grassroots people like 1:30:35.920 --> 1:30:40.000 Mandy are out there, um just on the ground doing 1:30:41.520 --> 1:30:45.639 We're yes, none of us here on this call except 1:30:45.680 --> 1:30:48.360 for Leave. I Leave works within the system, and thank 1:30:48.439 --> 1:30:50.639 goodness for him. And the last thing I want to say, 1:30:50.680 --> 1:30:55.280 and I I'm always remiss if I don't remind remember 1:30:55.400 --> 1:30:57.080 to say this, but I always want to send a 1:30:57.120 --> 1:31:00.920 shout out. It's not the fault on the hard working 1:31:01.560 --> 1:31:05.600 people on the street, whether you're paid or not. I 1:31:05.720 --> 1:31:08.080 just want to say thanks to all of the folks 1:31:08.640 --> 1:31:11.200 who take on this job, paid or not, to go 1:31:11.320 --> 1:31:16.200 out and help people firsthand to the best with this 1:31:16.360 --> 1:31:19.400 shitty system that they're given. So there's a lot of 1:31:19.439 --> 1:31:22.639 people who take very little pay they do this because 1:31:22.720 --> 1:31:26.240 they care, or the volunteers who do it because they 1:31:26.320 --> 1:31:29.439 care to help people. And there's a lot of folks 1:31:29.520 --> 1:31:32.719 out and hard to help folks, and they are helping 1:31:32.800 --> 1:31:36.720 people one by one by one, and we need to 1:31:36.840 --> 1:31:41.320 support we need we have to have the support of 1:31:41.720 --> 1:31:44.320 the Todd Gloria's and the Nathan Fletchers of the world 1:31:44.400 --> 1:31:48.320 and the Gavin Newsomes to do the right thing and 1:31:48.840 --> 1:31:51.360 and to keep funding what works and to quit doing 1:31:51.439 --> 1:31:55.920 what doesn't. And so, UM, I think it's just important 1:31:55.960 --> 1:31:58.599 to round out by saying that, Yeah, I think it's 1:31:58.640 --> 1:32:03.160 pretty good. Oh, if you are out helping people, see 1:32:03.200 --> 1:32:05.120 it all the time on your on your social media, 1:32:05.280 --> 1:32:08.760 where can people find you? Uh? And how can they 1:32:08.840 --> 1:32:11.360 support what you're doing if it's getting people tend to 1:32:11.400 --> 1:32:14.400 getting people water that kind of thing. Uh, tree start 1:32:14.479 --> 1:32:18.160 with let's just go down to this. We'll start with Mandy. 1:32:21.320 --> 1:32:24.600 I usually UM kind of bum off of Michael for 1:32:24.800 --> 1:32:31.840 funding UM because most of everything I do, UM, I 1:32:32.040 --> 1:32:38.000 pay for myself. UM. So he has he does a 1:32:38.080 --> 1:32:40.720 go fund me and then you know he'll be like, hey, 1:32:41.080 --> 1:32:43.120 I gotta go fund me money, and you know, I 1:32:43.200 --> 1:32:44.920 meet him and he like loads up my car and 1:32:45.320 --> 1:32:49.639 off I go. UM. You know people can can find 1:32:49.760 --> 1:32:56.440 me on Twitter. UM Cooper to UM, I'm I'm very passionate. 1:32:56.680 --> 1:33:01.320 So UM. You know it's like because let you look 1:33:01.360 --> 1:33:04.160 at on my feed. UM. You know, I just I 1:33:04.280 --> 1:33:07.439 love these people and I want to see them because 1:33:07.439 --> 1:33:10.320 there I want to see them get the help. And 1:33:11.240 --> 1:33:13.799 one thing that Michael taught me in the very beginning 1:33:13.840 --> 1:33:17.920 of this, because you know I started this, um maybe 1:33:17.920 --> 1:33:21.240 about two or three years ago. One thing that Michael 1:33:21.280 --> 1:33:23.680 said to me that resonated with me because you know, 1:33:24.520 --> 1:33:27.639 he's you know, like I call them parades now, which 1:33:27.640 --> 1:33:31.280 are like liberal marches, um, you know, yelling at buildings 1:33:31.320 --> 1:33:32.880 when I want was in and you know, then going 1:33:32.960 --> 1:33:36.760 home and feeling good about what I did. UM. And 1:33:36.920 --> 1:33:42.120 he said, you know, Mandy, he said, social justice issue 1:33:43.320 --> 1:33:52.120 that everyone fights for, Black lives matter, immigration, UM, disability. UM. 1:33:52.680 --> 1:33:57.080 You know, all of these things come together, l G B, 1:33:57.200 --> 1:34:00.200 t q I A plus all of those people are 1:34:00.280 --> 1:34:04.320 overrepresented in the homeless population and so it shakes down 1:34:05.240 --> 1:34:07.599 to that and so I thought, you know, my mind 1:34:07.800 --> 1:34:09.599 was like blown and I was like, oh my god, 1:34:09.680 --> 1:34:13.640 you know, I'm not her marching for people most marginalized 1:34:13.680 --> 1:34:19.080 with them are living on the street. UM, and there's 1:34:19.200 --> 1:34:23.400 very little help for those people because unfortunately, whether what 1:34:24.080 --> 1:34:28.600 whatever marginalized group you come from, when you become that 1:34:28.800 --> 1:34:32.400 overtakes all of them. And there is a huge public 1:34:32.479 --> 1:34:36.080 hatred for unsheltered people. And it is my parson across 1:34:36.120 --> 1:34:40.160 the board. Um so we we all just need to 1:34:40.280 --> 1:34:42.599 realize that this is you know, this is a societal 1:34:42.680 --> 1:34:47.600 failure in a social um and I hope that you know, 1:34:48.000 --> 1:34:51.560 more people would will get up and and get go 1:34:51.720 --> 1:34:53.880 to the ground and start talking to your unsheltered neighbors. 1:34:54.160 --> 1:34:57.160 Try to build a relationship with them, reach out to 1:34:57.200 --> 1:35:01.920 their humanity. Um and and one person, if each of 1:35:02.040 --> 1:35:04.720 us just did it with one person, it would make 1:35:04.840 --> 1:35:06.800 such a difference. Even if you can't get them in 1:35:06.880 --> 1:35:10.280 housing or you don't have a lot of money, literally, 1:35:10.439 --> 1:35:13.840 just treating them like a human being means so much 1:35:13.920 --> 1:35:19.880 to these folks. Yeah, that's that's very important, Kelle. What 1:35:19.960 --> 1:35:21.880 would you like to say? Where can people find you? 1:35:22.000 --> 1:35:25.080 How can they help? That was just like how to 1:35:25.160 --> 1:35:32.720 find us? Right? I know, I thought it was great commits. Sorry, yeah, 1:35:32.840 --> 1:35:36.880 I thought it was really good. We should have a mandy. 1:35:37.920 --> 1:35:42.400 Um I I my name is Colleen Q. Sack c 1:35:42.680 --> 1:35:44.960 U S A c K. You can google me and 1:35:45.080 --> 1:35:48.560 find me. I'm in searchable on the attorney directory. My 1:35:48.640 --> 1:35:55.839 number six two and my email address is C another 1:35:56.000 --> 1:35:59.960 c U S A c K dot policy at gmail 1:36:00.120 --> 1:36:08.160 dot com. UM, and I'm on Twitter at symbol chan, 1:36:08.360 --> 1:36:13.800 which stands for objection Great, thank you, all right, Michael. So, I, 1:36:14.360 --> 1:36:18.040 like Mandy, I've just funded my work myself. Also, except 1:36:18.160 --> 1:36:22.160 for about oh two ago, I was out on the 1:36:22.200 --> 1:36:26.400 street film in some sweeps, watching the police and the 1:36:26.560 --> 1:36:30.560 environmental service workers throw away people's tents and and I 1:36:30.760 --> 1:36:34.080 and I UM, and I said, well, I'm gonna go 1:36:34.160 --> 1:36:38.439 get those people some new tents. Sir told me go ahead. 1:36:38.520 --> 1:36:40.519 We can throw them out faster than you can give 1:36:40.600 --> 1:36:46.160 them out. And I tweeted about that, and you know, 1:36:46.240 --> 1:36:49.080 I think it really you know, I struck a chord 1:36:49.160 --> 1:36:54.040 with people. So I've had people, but I've just had 1:36:54.080 --> 1:36:57.280 this real outpouring of of offerings to help lately. So 1:36:57.960 --> 1:37:00.080 for the first time ever, I set up a go 1:37:00.240 --> 1:37:02.599 fund Me and in the first day I just said, 1:37:02.680 --> 1:37:05.479 you know, this is just to help support encampments that 1:37:05.560 --> 1:37:09.120 are impacted by the sweeps or or whatever, or other 1:37:09.680 --> 1:37:12.600 grassroots people like Mandy who are out there. And I 1:37:12.680 --> 1:37:15.000 think I raised about three thousand dollars in the first day, 1:37:15.040 --> 1:37:18.280 and I was like, wow, that. It really was touching 1:37:18.400 --> 1:37:21.360 because you know, I didn't even hardly. I just put 1:37:21.400 --> 1:37:25.679 it out on Twitter, I think, and I haven't promoted 1:37:25.720 --> 1:37:27.559 it much since, but I think we're up to six 1:37:27.680 --> 1:37:34.360 or seven thousand dollars use that every day. I don't 1:37:34.400 --> 1:37:39.160 where are you the uh I'm retired, so I get 1:37:39.240 --> 1:37:42.760 to do this all day long. People like Mandy, they 1:37:42.800 --> 1:37:45.599 have a job. They're doing this as a second job 1:37:45.760 --> 1:37:50.320 that's unpaid. So um So what I do is is 1:37:50.960 --> 1:37:55.000 is is help UH is the buy stuff. I help 1:37:55.080 --> 1:38:02.960 other other organizations. I also promote that it uh go 1:38:03.160 --> 1:38:07.000 fund me of other people on my social media site. 1:38:07.040 --> 1:38:10.000 So I really would appreciate you following me. On Twitter 1:38:10.120 --> 1:38:17.040 it's at Homelessness Homelessness SD. On Facebook it's Homelessness News 1:38:17.080 --> 1:38:21.160 san Diego. On on Instagram it's the same, and on 1:38:21.360 --> 1:38:25.360 YouTube it's I think it's Homelessness New San Diego on YouTube. 1:38:25.400 --> 1:38:29.080 I just started a YouTube page, well, but I just 1:38:29.120 --> 1:38:32.320 started posting stuff on there. I have a lot of followers. 1:38:32.400 --> 1:38:36.880 It's a pretty active conversation, especially on Twitter. I get 1:38:36.920 --> 1:38:40.280 the bear's people lashing out at me, attacking me because 1:38:40.280 --> 1:38:43.760 they don't like me calling them out. Um, I get 1:38:44.760 --> 1:38:46.840 I I get haters on there too. I let them 1:38:47.040 --> 1:38:52.040 voice their opinion. Uh. I let the conversation flow. Um. 1:38:52.880 --> 1:38:55.120 But what I do is your what And I do 1:38:55.240 --> 1:38:59.599 warn you that, especially on Twitter, it's heart wrenching stuff. 1:39:00.640 --> 1:39:04.599 On the ground, I'm seeing people die. I'm seeing horrible stuff, 1:39:04.720 --> 1:39:07.240 and I'm sharing it with you because I think people 1:39:07.280 --> 1:39:10.679 deserve to know the truth. The elected officials like Mayor 1:39:10.720 --> 1:39:12.880 Todd Gloria, they don't want you to know the truth. 1:39:12.960 --> 1:39:16.760 But I'm gonna bring it to you. I've worked to 1:39:16.840 --> 1:39:18.760 bring you the truth that's going on out here on 1:39:18.840 --> 1:39:21.880 the street. And it's ugly, it's it's it's but it's 1:39:21.920 --> 1:39:26.519 also I also see some amazing stuff. I also see 1:39:26.560 --> 1:39:31.799 some amazing, heartwarming stuff. People helping people. So it's everything 1:39:32.600 --> 1:39:36.839 holar coaster, right, folks. So you know, just be prepared 1:39:37.680 --> 1:39:40.280 and from there you can find my go fund me um. 1:39:41.160 --> 1:39:44.599 But most of all, you can get educated on the issue, 1:39:45.160 --> 1:39:49.799 make up your own mind. Uh. The bullshit that's spewed 1:39:49.840 --> 1:39:52.760 out of city Hall. Uh, see it on the ground 1:39:52.840 --> 1:39:58.479 for yourself. Take people out with me. Uh. I do 1:39:58.600 --> 1:40:00.880 a lot of work with the media, but but just 1:40:01.240 --> 1:40:07.160 just just join the conversation. Conversation learn, donate if you 1:40:07.240 --> 1:40:09.840 want to learn where you can donate your time to 1:40:09.920 --> 1:40:16.439 other people. Yeah, message me, you can coust me. Yeah, yeah, Yeah. 1:40:16.680 --> 1:40:19.639 We're just real people out there doing, you know, doing 1:40:21.000 --> 1:40:23.599 And I worked within the system trying to I went 1:40:23.640 --> 1:40:26.880 to all these meetings. I spent a whole ton of 1:40:26.960 --> 1:40:31.080 money within the within the mainstream system, which I'll never 1:40:31.160 --> 1:40:34.360 do again because it's a black hole. So I mostly 1:40:34.479 --> 1:40:39.840 promote grassroots stuff and we're just out there doing it 1:40:40.000 --> 1:40:43.080 and and doing what we can, uh in a very 1:40:43.080 --> 1:40:46.519 difficult situation. But join the conversation and see what's going on. 1:40:47.640 --> 1:40:50.759 And thanks James. I just I appreciate all your support 1:40:50.840 --> 1:40:56.320 over the years, uh, both amplifying our messages, getting messages 1:40:56.360 --> 1:40:58.320 out on social media and just for everything that you 1:40:58.479 --> 1:41:04.000 do on social justice issues and and and safety issues. Um, 1:41:05.200 --> 1:41:09.120 so I can hold them accountable on the bike stuff. Yeah, absolutely, 1:41:09.160 --> 1:41:12.080 well do that's another episode. I will plug LEAVI on 1:41:12.200 --> 1:41:14.680 Levi's behalf because I leave. I had to jump off 1:41:14.720 --> 1:41:18.679 to sort out an emergency. But it's which on Twitter 1:41:18.840 --> 1:41:23.960 is at the Solution nine. You can find them there 1:41:24.880 --> 1:41:26.519 and leave. I can help folks if they are in 1:41:26.560 --> 1:41:31.439 San Diego access services and so yeah, that's being us today. 1:41:31.680 --> 1:41:34.840 Please do follow these people and be a good neighbor 1:41:34.960 --> 1:41:38.000 to the young housed community. Wherever you are, feel free 1:41:38.040 --> 1:41:39.559 to reach out to any of us if you need 1:41:39.680 --> 1:41:41.800 some help or advice on how to do that or 1:41:41.960 --> 1:41:44.720 want to come out here in San Diego. All right, 1:41:44.800 --> 1:41:47.400 thank you very much. Everyone appreciate you taking some of 1:41:47.439 --> 1:42:05.479 your afternoons. Welcome to it could happen here podcast about 1:42:05.600 --> 1:42:08.360 how the world is falling apart and sometimes about how 1:42:08.400 --> 1:42:11.880 to put it together. Today mostly about the people who 1:42:11.920 --> 1:42:16.080 are accelerating the falling apart. Garrison's with me, Sharen's with me. 1:42:16.560 --> 1:42:20.120 We are talking today about the Merchant of Death, the 1:42:20.200 --> 1:42:24.760 Lord of War, Victor Boot. So she probably started off 1:42:24.800 --> 1:42:29.000 by we're talking about Victor Boot. Victor Boots always an 1:42:29.000 --> 1:42:32.320 interesting topic of conversation, but he's come up recently because 1:42:33.200 --> 1:42:36.680 he's one of the people who has been proposed to 1:42:37.120 --> 1:42:45.040 be exchanged for to US citizens held by Russia, one 1:42:45.160 --> 1:42:51.400 being Brittany Grinder and one being Paul Wheelan. So I'm 1:42:51.520 --> 1:42:55.240 guessing folks are pretty familiar with the Brittany Grinder situation. 1:42:55.560 --> 1:42:59.320 If if not, what's the what's the t LDR on 1:42:59.479 --> 1:43:03.120 that t l d R is. Brittany Grinder is a 1:43:03.280 --> 1:43:07.160 two time Olympic gold medalist. She's a basketball player and 1:43:07.880 --> 1:43:11.280 she often plays offseason basketball in Russia, which tells you 1:43:11.320 --> 1:43:15.640 a lot about in wages between men and women in 1:43:15.720 --> 1:43:20.120 professional sport. And unfortunately, when she was traveling to Russia, 1:43:20.280 --> 1:43:24.360 I guess she had a weed vape cartridge in her 1:43:24.520 --> 1:43:28.240 back and so she was arrested and accused of drug smuggling. 1:43:28.840 --> 1:43:34.560 Oh my god. Yeah, which, yeah, like it's as you 1:43:35.240 --> 1:43:37.800 as as we go through this, it will become very 1:43:37.920 --> 1:43:40.680 clear that I don't think it's controversial to say that 1:43:40.720 --> 1:43:45.439 the Russian state engages in hostage taking, right for sure? 1:43:45.800 --> 1:43:48.479 Yeah don't. I don't think that's like a controversial statement 1:43:48.560 --> 1:43:52.720 that this lady is not drug smuggling. Yeah, I too 1:43:52.840 --> 1:43:54.840 would probably want to take drugs if I had to 1:43:54.880 --> 1:43:58.040 spend my off seasons in Russia. But like, it's so 1:43:58.200 --> 1:44:01.000 transparent what they're doing. It's like, don't even attempt to 1:44:01.720 --> 1:44:05.519 not it's just yeah, it's they're are being sneaky about it. 1:44:05.560 --> 1:44:09.120 They're very clearly being like, we're taking this person hostage. Yeah, 1:44:09.240 --> 1:44:11.720 and we will hold this person hostage until you give 1:44:11.840 --> 1:44:15.200 us the person that we want back, right, there and 1:44:15.760 --> 1:44:21.120 even so there was a um he was a marine 1:44:21.240 --> 1:44:23.320 held by Russia. So if there's Paul Wheeler as the 1:44:23.400 --> 1:44:26.920 other guy, right, Paul Wheeland was a Marine, he had 1:44:26.960 --> 1:44:31.800 a he didn't have a dishonorable discharge. He had what's called, 1:44:32.479 --> 1:44:36.040 i think, an other than honorable. He was doing a 1:44:36.120 --> 1:44:39.639 couple of things. He was embezzling shipped from the United 1:44:39.680 --> 1:44:45.080 States government, which is pretty based. Yeah, yeah, we should 1:44:45.080 --> 1:44:48.080 all be so lucky. And he was also writing bad checks. 1:44:48.160 --> 1:44:52.519 His checks were bouncing, so booted from the Marine Corps 1:44:52.600 --> 1:44:55.280 for that, and was doing some kind of private security 1:44:55.320 --> 1:44:58.799 work it seemed like. So he was arrested in Russia. 1:45:00.439 --> 1:45:04.760 Another former Marine towards Trevor Reid was arrested and his 1:45:04.920 --> 1:45:09.720 cases just well, it's not coming. But the guy was 1:45:09.920 --> 1:45:12.120 driving with his girlfriend at the time. They've been on 1:45:12.160 --> 1:45:14.559 a big night out there in a car. He got drunk, 1:45:14.640 --> 1:45:18.960 got belligerent, started getting fighty uh, and they pulled over 1:45:19.120 --> 1:45:20.479 and some of his mates were like, look, if you 1:45:20.520 --> 1:45:24.439 don't calm down so you keep fighting with us, they 1:45:24.520 --> 1:45:26.760 called the police. The police were like, right, we'll take 1:45:26.760 --> 1:45:29.240 you in, you sleep it off, deal with you in 1:45:29.320 --> 1:45:31.600 the morning to kick you out. And then at some 1:45:31.760 --> 1:45:35.680 point the next morning, the FSB turned up, which is 1:45:35.800 --> 1:45:40.120 like the inheritor of the legacy of the KG, like, oh, Trevor, 1:45:40.360 --> 1:45:42.840 why did you attack the cops last night? Why why 1:45:42.960 --> 1:45:44.880 did you do that? Why why would you assault the 1:45:44.920 --> 1:45:47.280 police the Russian police? And he was like, what are 1:45:47.280 --> 1:45:49.760 you talking about, bro? And they were like, yeah, you're 1:45:49.760 --> 1:45:55.559 going to jail. You're a spy. Yeah, the government Biden 1:45:55.720 --> 1:45:59.599 and the Biden swapped him out, and the two who 1:45:59.640 --> 1:46:01.920 are left, well, there are other people left, obviously, But 1:46:02.680 --> 1:46:05.840 when he stopped out for for the other guy, Trevor Read, 1:46:06.760 --> 1:46:11.080 I'm not sure who was traded for Trevor Read. It's 1:46:11.120 --> 1:46:14.679 the most like weird. I mean that nothing is too 1:46:14.760 --> 1:46:17.800 strange at this point, but like when you really countries 1:46:17.880 --> 1:46:23.880 like trading people, Yes, so strange to me. Yeah he was, 1:46:24.240 --> 1:46:28.200 he was. He was when who was in here on 1:46:28.320 --> 1:46:33.960 drug grafting charges? I guess? So they switch out Read, right, 1:46:34.080 --> 1:46:37.120 But Read and Weiland have become close in their captivity, 1:46:37.240 --> 1:46:40.040 and Read's been a big advocate for having Whelan released. 1:46:40.760 --> 1:46:44.200 Wiland's kind of yeah, you're taking the pit if you 1:46:44.280 --> 1:46:47.479 think Brittany grind is a drug traffiica. But Whillan does 1:46:47.600 --> 1:46:53.120 have like five different nationalities. I think he's he's got American, 1:46:53.200 --> 1:46:55.320 he's got Canadian, he might only have four. I think 1:46:55.360 --> 1:47:00.759 he's got British and Irish. So he's a former service 1:47:01.200 --> 1:47:04.920 member in the United States. And like, this guy was broke, right, 1:47:04.960 --> 1:47:08.280 he was. He was bouncing checks. As we're learning this episode. 1:47:09.040 --> 1:47:12.400 One of the things intelligence agencies tend to like is 1:47:12.680 --> 1:47:15.559 people who are bouncing checks. Those of those people are 1:47:15.600 --> 1:47:18.600 easy to recruit, right leg if you're if you're if 1:47:18.640 --> 1:47:21.400 you're trying to buy ship that you can't afford, you 1:47:21.560 --> 1:47:25.280 might be easier to recruit if you if they offer 1:47:25.320 --> 1:47:31.559 you money. Right So it's I'm not saying no idea whatsoever. 1:47:31.600 --> 1:47:34.720 I've got no unique insight into that, but I am 1:47:34.840 --> 1:47:37.599 saying that, like, his case is a little bit more interesting. 1:47:37.760 --> 1:47:42.320 So the United States has proposed trading Victor Boot for 1:47:42.960 --> 1:47:45.320 both Grinder and Wheelan that was kind of doing the 1:47:45.520 --> 1:47:50.439 m Aussian source confirmed it last weekend. So that's why 1:47:50.560 --> 1:47:53.599 we want to talk about Victor Boot today. It's spelled 1:47:53.640 --> 1:47:56.200 bo u t by the way, if anyone's looking up, 1:47:57.280 --> 1:48:03.080 if people are familiar with Victor at all, I believe 1:48:03.200 --> 1:48:06.840 from the Nicolas Cage film Lord of War. Have you 1:48:07.000 --> 1:48:11.600 seen that either of you know? I subjected Chris to it. 1:48:12.760 --> 1:48:16.360 Now Chris can't make the podcast, so that's good. Will 1:48:16.400 --> 1:48:20.639 be Nicolas cage free in this it's a pretty epic film. 1:48:20.720 --> 1:48:23.680 It's a good thing. Cholas Cage play boot Yeah. Oh 1:48:23.800 --> 1:48:27.680 fuck yeah, yeah, Like I need to see that to 1:48:27.720 --> 1:48:30.960 see that. I wish, I wish I could share with 1:48:31.040 --> 1:48:33.280 you just the scene where like he just turns to 1:48:33.320 --> 1:48:38.320 the camp like there's there's fifty million guns in the world. 1:48:38.960 --> 1:48:41.280 That's one for every twelve people on My only question 1:48:41.400 --> 1:48:43.840 is how do we arem the other eleven? But at 1:48:43.920 --> 1:48:46.040 some point he like just puffs on a fat cigar 1:48:46.160 --> 1:48:48.800 in the middle of that. You have an accent. No, 1:48:49.000 --> 1:48:53.200 he doesn't do a Russian. It's appointing. Allegedly, that's a 1:48:53.320 --> 1:48:57.640 real quote from from Victor boot. By the way, you 1:48:57.680 --> 1:49:00.200 can find a clip, we can slice it in. Yeah, 1:49:00.200 --> 1:49:01.960 I can find a clip. I got one. I got 1:49:02.000 --> 1:49:05.200 one lined up on my computer. I will send it 1:49:05.400 --> 1:49:09.160 to our our fair editors. There are over five hundred 1:49:09.280 --> 1:49:14.200 fifty million firearms and worldwide circulation. That's one firearm for 1:49:14.360 --> 1:49:17.840 avery twelve people on the planet. The only question is 1:49:21.439 --> 1:49:25.599 how do we wren in the other eleven. It's great, 1:49:25.640 --> 1:49:29.080 it's classic Nicholas Cage. He can't do anything wrong. It's 1:49:29.200 --> 1:49:35.760 so true. Ghost ghostwriter never happened. I don't know what 1:49:35.840 --> 1:49:41.400 you're talking about. Nope, it's been a race from my memory. 1:49:42.320 --> 1:49:46.479 So aside from Nicolas Cage's accent, betrayal of the film 1:49:46.760 --> 1:49:51.519 is in and that accurate. Notably, he didn't actually grow 1:49:51.600 --> 1:49:54.920 up in Brighton Beach, Old Victor. He grew up in 1:49:55.080 --> 1:49:59.000 Duschan bay In. That's uh. It was in the tagic 1:49:59.120 --> 1:50:02.360 province of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. Right now, 1:50:02.439 --> 1:50:08.560 it's introgugoush And we know, well, there's a lot of 1:50:08.600 --> 1:50:11.400 stories about this guy. It's very hard to confirm which 1:50:11.479 --> 1:50:15.280 of them is true. There are He's clearly told as 1:50:15.360 --> 1:50:18.400 many background stories as he's met new groups of people, 1:50:18.439 --> 1:50:22.759 when he's moved around, as his mom is on the scene. 1:50:23.400 --> 1:50:25.479 So we do know that his mother is still alive. 1:50:25.560 --> 1:50:28.200 I think she's eighty five. She will occasionally pop up 1:50:28.200 --> 1:50:31.040 in the Russian press and ask Joe Biden to let 1:50:31.120 --> 1:50:36.040 her poor innocent son go, which is very amusing. It 1:50:36.160 --> 1:50:38.519 was a car mechanic, so he's not like a child 1:50:38.600 --> 1:50:43.360 of privilege particularly, But at some point he seems to 1:50:43.400 --> 1:50:47.120 have joined the Soviet military, probably the Air Force, and 1:50:47.280 --> 1:50:52.439 he's trained at their military academy of languages. And guy's 1:50:52.560 --> 1:50:56.800 capacity for languages insane, Like he can go down the 1:50:56.840 --> 1:51:00.280 shops in like fifteen different languages. He can speak flule 1:51:00.560 --> 1:51:05.439 in half a dozen. He can, you know, order a 1:51:05.600 --> 1:51:11.880 sandwich in like twenty language. Yeah, I want that power, Yeah, 1:51:12.200 --> 1:51:15.679 don't we all? It seems to be like, um, these 1:51:15.760 --> 1:51:19.840 people who like thrive in like nonstate activities in crime 1:51:19.880 --> 1:51:22.679 and stuff like do seem to like having a capacity 1:51:22.720 --> 1:51:26.840 for language benefit in that world. And you hear about 1:51:26.920 --> 1:51:31.320 quite a lot later on when he's in prison in Thailand, 1:51:31.760 --> 1:51:35.599 he learned Sanskrit. Um. He doesn't bother to learn Thai. 1:51:36.200 --> 1:51:37.960 He doesn't want people to think they can understand what 1:51:38.040 --> 1:51:42.439 he's saying. But I'll learned sanscrit while I'm here, like 1:51:42.479 --> 1:51:46.960 I'm running out of options. So yeah, he's got this 1:51:47.000 --> 1:51:51.920 amazing capacity for language, which probably ends up with him 1:51:51.960 --> 1:51:56.919 being a spook. It's not like it's not for the KGB, 1:51:57.640 --> 1:52:00.680 but it seems that way. We know that he was 1:52:00.800 --> 1:52:04.639 bouncing around in Angola as part of the civil war there, 1:52:04.920 --> 1:52:07.840 so it's it's unlikely that he was a pay clerk 1:52:07.960 --> 1:52:10.440 or like the guy who changed the tires on the airplanes. 1:52:12.000 --> 1:52:16.840 And then to Angola, and and when the Soviet Union collapses, 1:52:18.240 --> 1:52:21.559 Victor is in Angola, right, or at least he gets 1:52:21.600 --> 1:52:25.000 to Angola pretty quickly. Not I think because it's the 1:52:25.040 --> 1:52:29.479 place he wanted to be, but because places that had 1:52:29.640 --> 1:52:35.760 the least regulations on civilian use of military aircraft. So 1:52:35.880 --> 1:52:38.960 this is where he goes from KGB duty speaks a 1:52:39.000 --> 1:52:43.120 lot of languages to beginning to be this international arms 1:52:44.200 --> 1:52:48.720 sort of god. And he does that by buying these 1:52:48.800 --> 1:52:52.599 Antonov planes. People might not be familiar with Antonov. It's 1:52:52.640 --> 1:52:56.639 just a giant plane. It's a huge cargo plane. Obviously 1:52:56.640 --> 1:52:58.599 a little bit outdated now, but you'll still see them. 1:52:58.720 --> 1:53:03.519 But it's like the Russian big hauler, right, carries a 1:53:03.520 --> 1:53:05.960 lot of stuff to a lot of places. And by 1:53:06.160 --> 1:53:13.200 getting those and having absolutely zero morals, he launches his career. 1:53:13.360 --> 1:53:18.759 And like he's not just selling weapons, he's um American 1:53:18.800 --> 1:53:21.040 people don't get this, Like we have this British stereotype 1:53:21.040 --> 1:53:24.759 of like the wheeler dealer, as epitomized by like Delboy 1:53:25.160 --> 1:53:27.320 in a TV series called Only Fools and Horses. But 1:53:27.400 --> 1:53:30.479 he's like a market trader. He'll buy whatever he thinks 1:53:30.520 --> 1:53:33.880 he can scorch wherever he thinks he can sell expensive. Right, 1:53:34.120 --> 1:53:37.400 so he's moving like frozen chicken. At one point, he's 1:53:37.439 --> 1:53:42.320 moving flowers from South Africa, and like throughout his career 1:53:42.520 --> 1:53:48.360 is this massive international arms dealer. He'll just be like, oh, chicken, right, 1:53:48.439 --> 1:53:50.639 let's move that chicken over here. We can make a killing. 1:53:50.760 --> 1:53:54.880 Like he doesn't, I think like we should stress it. 1:53:54.960 --> 1:53:58.280 He's not like a guy who's obsessed with with the 1:53:58.439 --> 1:54:00.920 guns and weapons and killing people. I don't think. I 1:54:00.960 --> 1:54:04.880 think he's a guy who has absolutely zero and it's 1:54:04.960 --> 1:54:07.400 just like, well, there's a high profit margin on guns, 1:54:07.439 --> 1:54:10.400 so that's where I'll move. But I don't think it's 1:54:10.479 --> 1:54:14.240 like there's there seems to be no moral angle to 1:54:14.479 --> 1:54:19.200 his his existence. Like very quickly after doing that, he's 1:54:19.840 --> 1:54:23.240 Democratic Republic of Congo. He's setting into Liberia in the 1:54:23.320 --> 1:54:29.000 conflict there Sierra Leone, Rwanda after the genocide. He's there, right, 1:54:30.280 --> 1:54:36.240 but he's also like transporting French troops to Rwanda, will 1:54:36.320 --> 1:54:39.680 be doing contracts for the United States government, for the 1:54:39.760 --> 1:54:44.640 British government, for most of the Western governments participate in 1:54:44.760 --> 1:54:48.880 the Forever War, right, And it's very funny actually, like 1:54:48.920 --> 1:54:52.760 if you're in the phase when the for him, which 1:54:52.800 --> 1:54:54.800 is a bit later when he becomes like a wanted man. 1:54:56.440 --> 1:54:58.720 He keeps doing these different shell companies right to avoid 1:54:59.120 --> 1:55:03.040 things like sanction and the way that he the way 1:55:03.080 --> 1:55:06.200 that the United States Department of Justice publishes their list 1:55:06.280 --> 1:55:09.680 there will be every year, right, no one can do 1:55:09.760 --> 1:55:13.280 business with these companies. They're bad, they're connected to arms dealing. 1:55:13.720 --> 1:55:16.160 And then the United States Department of Defense will go 1:55:16.240 --> 1:55:17.840 down its list of people it does business with and 1:55:17.920 --> 1:55:19.600 be like, oh, ship, there's like six of them who 1:55:19.680 --> 1:55:24.480 we were like integrally relying on. And then and so 1:55:24.560 --> 1:55:27.040 it's fine because they change their name and then it's 1:55:27.080 --> 1:55:29.080 like they're it's like Tom and Jerry or whack a mole. 1:55:29.240 --> 1:55:32.400 You know. He keeps popping up with these new companies. Um, 1:55:33.280 --> 1:55:38.080 so he sort of really gets this massive boost around 1:55:38.280 --> 1:55:42.360 two thousand and with eleven. So nine eleven is a 1:55:42.400 --> 1:55:47.720 big win for him. It's well, that's the oppisode here, 1:55:48.880 --> 1:55:52.000 that's the sound by Yeah, so he's super tight with 1:55:52.800 --> 1:55:57.000 Ahmed shah Masud. People are but that we call the 1:55:57.080 --> 1:56:02.360 Northern Alliance, right, um, the the people in Afghanistan who 1:56:02.400 --> 1:56:06.760 the United States back to fight the Taliban. He'd been 1:56:06.800 --> 1:56:10.560 selling weapons to Massued for a while, and he seems 1:56:10.600 --> 1:56:13.920 to actually like with Massud, Like he talks about him, 1:56:14.560 --> 1:56:16.280 and we'll get onto how we know him talking about 1:56:16.360 --> 1:56:18.360 him a little bit, but he talks about him very fondly. 1:56:18.480 --> 1:56:23.680 He's he's a big Massud guy. And so he claims 1:56:23.760 --> 1:56:28.080 he doesn't trade with the Taliban, and he hoped for 1:56:28.160 --> 1:56:33.480 a long as time until crew his plane and crew 1:56:33.560 --> 1:56:36.760 are held by the Taliban at an airport in Afghanistan, 1:56:36.880 --> 1:56:41.160 which like how did they get their Victor? And there's 1:56:41.240 --> 1:56:45.840 two really like how they escape. The one story is 1:56:45.920 --> 1:56:48.800 that like the Taliban require them to maintain this plane 1:56:49.360 --> 1:56:52.360 every so often because they want to be able to 1:56:52.480 --> 1:56:55.520 use the plane. Right, so these these Russian guys are 1:56:55.600 --> 1:57:01.160 these these contractors for Victor for doing the plane. And 1:57:01.280 --> 1:57:06.600 then they like in sort of like Michael Caine movie style, 1:57:06.680 --> 1:57:09.000 like cosh their guards over the head, jump start the 1:57:09.080 --> 1:57:12.040 plane and just pin it to the end of the runway, 1:57:12.120 --> 1:57:15.280 take off and fly to freedom. And that's the narrative 1:57:15.960 --> 1:57:18.160 popular until Victor boot was like nah, like I know 1:57:18.280 --> 1:57:21.200 all those people. I just called him, was like, do 1:57:21.360 --> 1:57:23.520 you want to do business with Victor boot or do 1:57:23.560 --> 1:57:25.560 you want to hold this plane hostage? Because it's one 1:57:25.640 --> 1:57:29.400 or the other and you're fund without me and seem yeah, 1:57:29.440 --> 1:57:32.720 it's a shame. I like. I like story. I like 1:57:32.880 --> 1:57:36.400 story to story too is objectively, in my opinion, a 1:57:36.440 --> 1:57:38.640 little bit more badass on his part, you know what 1:57:38.720 --> 1:57:42.960 I mean. Yeah, that's the power he has. Yeah, oh yeah, 1:57:43.000 --> 1:57:45.080 I think when this this guy clicks his fingers, the 1:57:45.160 --> 1:57:49.520 world the world listens. Did until he was in prison 1:57:49.640 --> 1:57:53.200 learning sanscript. Yeah, if you're the pilot, there's There was 1:57:53.240 --> 1:57:55.200 an interview I found on YouTube with one of his 1:57:55.320 --> 1:57:58.480 pilots as well. He's like, yeah, man, you can't do 1:57:58.600 --> 1:58:00.840 that for very long. He's like, what study landing? Like, 1:58:00.920 --> 1:58:03.200 we're being shot at woman landing, We're being shot at woman. 1:58:04.480 --> 1:58:07.360 We get on the ground and just like eat everything 1:58:07.480 --> 1:58:09.360 out the back and then just take off again, and 1:58:09.560 --> 1:58:11.600 like we make a ton of money because no one 1:58:11.640 --> 1:58:14.560 else is prepared to do that, but probably isn't great 1:58:14.560 --> 1:58:19.080 for your long term well being. And so he's by 1:58:20.120 --> 1:58:22.920 the peak of his career in the early two thousand, 1:58:23.240 --> 1:58:27.440 he's got hundreds of employees. He's got sixty aircraft and 1:58:28.400 --> 1:58:31.880 he has moved his operation to Charger, which is a 1:58:32.000 --> 1:58:36.720 very sort of conservative emirate. It's a twist, alright's right, 1:58:37.720 --> 1:58:40.760 but it has what's called a free trade zone, so 1:58:41.080 --> 1:58:43.040 on on top of all his other ship, he's also 1:58:43.880 --> 1:58:48.920 not paying import export taxes and so he's based there, 1:58:49.080 --> 1:58:51.040 which seems to allow him to operate pretty much with that. 1:58:52.360 --> 1:58:57.160 He's moving a ton of small arms from Ukraine. So 1:58:57.760 --> 1:59:00.560 at the end of the Soviet Union, Crane makes a 1:59:00.600 --> 1:59:04.240 big thing of being like we're returning on nuclear weapons. Right, 1:59:04.320 --> 1:59:06.320 people will be familiar with this that they don't want 1:59:06.360 --> 1:59:11.600 their nukes are but they also amassed just an incredible 1:59:11.640 --> 1:59:17.160 amount of small arms, right, So that's like guns, bombs, grenades, 1:59:17.960 --> 1:59:21.840 things like that, right, machine guns. And because a bunch 1:59:21.920 --> 1:59:26.920 of the small arms are stored in Ukraine, that becomes 1:59:27.000 --> 1:59:29.960 like the nexus for the black market. And we think 1:59:30.000 --> 1:59:33.520 that if ethnically Ukrainian, and he certainly seems to have 1:59:33.720 --> 1:59:38.360 just been shoveling weapons out of Ukraine to conflicts in 1:59:38.760 --> 1:59:41.800 largely there's a civil war that you know about in 1:59:41.840 --> 1:59:45.000 Africa or one that you don't know about. Probably both 1:59:45.000 --> 1:59:47.320 sides were using his weapons like that, that's a that's 1:59:47.320 --> 1:59:51.520 a fair assumption to make. And by the late nineties 1:59:51.520 --> 1:59:56.840 early two thousands, he's selling everywhere and business to laund 1:59:56.880 --> 2:00:00.960 the money for other leagal activities and he was he 2:00:01.160 --> 2:00:03.800 was linked to the Kaddafi regime. He was also selling 2:00:03.840 --> 2:00:07.320 to rebels in Libya. Um, so it's a huge operation. 2:00:07.400 --> 2:00:12.360 He's the go to guy for weapons, right, and he 2:00:12.480 --> 2:00:16.160 sort of comes and they interpolo after him. In two 2:00:16.200 --> 2:00:19.720 thousand and two, there's a Belgian warrant for him, but 2:00:19.840 --> 2:00:23.280 Belgium as of having to drop their case because it's 2:00:23.320 --> 2:00:25.040 unclear where he lives, so they can't be like, yeah, 2:00:25.080 --> 2:00:28.240 he's a resident here, he's a Belgian resident, because like 2:00:28.360 --> 2:00:31.040 now this this guy keeps moving around like it's not 2:00:31.120 --> 2:00:34.600 clear if you have jurisdiction. And Central African Republic also 2:00:34.720 --> 2:00:37.560 I think had a warrant out for him, but they 2:00:37.600 --> 2:00:42.840 haven't I guess, been successful in serving that warrant um 2:00:44.200 --> 2:00:46.080 in the In the Belgian when they dropped their case, 2:00:46.280 --> 2:00:48.480 they noted that it would be impossible and very time 2:00:48.560 --> 2:00:52.960 consuming to prosecute him, which is kind of funny given 2:00:53.520 --> 2:00:56.680 that he's doing a lot of crimes. But despite this, 2:00:56.760 --> 2:01:00.240 in two thousand and three, he does this incredible New 2:01:00.320 --> 2:01:06.880 York Times, like this thousands of words profile interview of 2:01:07.480 --> 2:01:11.080 the world's largest arm stealer. It's like a relic of 2:01:11.120 --> 2:01:16.480 another era of journalism. They send this writer to like 2:01:17.040 --> 2:01:20.560 look for Victor Boo, to try and find Victor Boo. Yeah, 2:01:21.160 --> 2:01:24.320 two thousand and three, there was a different era that 2:01:24.520 --> 2:01:28.840 was completely different. Yeah, yeah, that is. Yeah, it's a shame. 2:01:28.960 --> 2:01:30.280 You look at I look. I looked at it, and 2:01:30.360 --> 2:01:33.800 I just couldn't help this. But they just let this 2:01:33.880 --> 2:01:36.840 person expense a shift out of flights. Wow, like this, 2:01:37.520 --> 2:01:40.920 this doesn't happen anymore. Such a shame. I would love 2:01:40.960 --> 2:01:43.000 to go to a Russian nightclub and drink carriage juice 2:01:43.040 --> 2:01:47.160 with armed stealers on the job. Yeah. Yeah, and then 2:01:48.200 --> 2:01:51.400 that to the New York Times and yeah, in the 2:01:51.480 --> 2:01:56.880 PC drinks carriage Jews. He's vegetarian, he caught himself, a 2:01:57.000 --> 2:02:04.280 scapegoat and a family man. He's what a hero every 2:02:04.360 --> 2:02:07.320 day Joe trying to sell some kalashnikovs to people who 2:02:07.360 --> 2:02:12.400 are doing genocide and he is does this interview. How 2:02:12.480 --> 2:02:17.280 we know a lot about him? Yes? That and his Uh, 2:02:17.960 --> 2:02:25.120 this man loves a hand the home video, right, international 2:02:25.280 --> 2:02:29.400 crimes the best idea we ever had. Quirky little dude, 2:02:29.800 --> 2:02:32.280 but he's not doing crimes in his videos. He just 2:02:32.560 --> 2:02:37.640 looks like like ah I from the office, who is 2:02:37.680 --> 2:02:40.080 just like the most mundane dude and ill fitting suit. 2:02:40.960 --> 2:02:44.280 He just looks like a salary man who drives like 2:02:44.760 --> 2:02:47.320 a regular car and on the weekends like to like 2:02:47.400 --> 2:02:50.720 go to Buffalo Wild Wings and what sports events, like 2:02:50.960 --> 2:02:55.040 he or to slide with his like white ass body 2:02:55.120 --> 2:02:56.600 and pot belly at one point in one of these 2:02:56.640 --> 2:03:00.560 home videos, and like he just yeah, he just strikes 2:03:00.600 --> 2:03:05.200 you as the most boring family guy. Like he's not. 2:03:05.960 --> 2:03:11.600 He seems to be like more drugs one point. It's 2:03:12.120 --> 2:03:16.360 fascinating and bizarre and one of assuming he has children 2:03:16.440 --> 2:03:19.040 if he's a family man. I think he does have children, 2:03:19.080 --> 2:03:21.520 certainly has a wife. His wife is out there. His 2:03:21.640 --> 2:03:25.240 wife is pretty vocal about let me let my man 2:03:25.360 --> 2:03:29.160 go right right right, Yeah, so I'm pretty sure he 2:03:29.200 --> 2:03:32.160 does have children. Yeah, probably more than we know about, 2:03:32.440 --> 2:03:34.760 but maybe not. Maybe he's your wife guy. Well, I 2:03:34.840 --> 2:03:38.400 just think it's funny in these home vid like he's yeah, 2:03:38.880 --> 2:03:44.840 like no one else, no family, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 2:03:45.400 --> 2:03:49.400 that would be pretty yeah, that would be pretty pretty entertaining. 2:03:49.800 --> 2:03:54.120 So two thousand and three, where it's the the article 2:03:54.200 --> 2:03:57.680 clearly has these two like it's named after George Bernard 2:03:57.720 --> 2:04:01.360 Shaw play called Arms and the Man, and it's just 2:04:01.600 --> 2:04:06.880 like epic and meandering and very long. And he talks 2:04:06.920 --> 2:04:10.680 about in the article. He's like, look, they're using me 2:04:11.000 --> 2:04:15.600 as like this is a thing that like the reason 2:04:15.800 --> 2:04:19.480 there that it's very hard to prosecute Victor boot is 2:04:19.560 --> 2:04:23.000 because there are not that many laws against arms stealing. 2:04:23.240 --> 2:04:25.960 And the reason there are not that many laws against 2:04:26.080 --> 2:04:32.080 arm stealing heedral to how we do foreign policy, right, 2:04:32.200 --> 2:04:35.320 Like we are hosed without people like Victor Boo. And 2:04:35.440 --> 2:04:39.160 that's like the other side of this coin that yeah, 2:04:39.240 --> 2:04:41.440 we need a Nicolas Cage bad guy to pin this 2:04:41.480 --> 2:04:45.680 stuff on. And yeah, he pretty horrific things or sold 2:04:45.720 --> 2:04:51.480 weapons to people who did horrific things, but he what 2:04:51.680 --> 2:04:55.800 he's doing is not that like abnormal and it's not 2:04:56.080 --> 2:05:00.720 that always illegal. And as we'll see tr into like 2:05:01.400 --> 2:05:06.520 gross entrapment to arrest this guy, and he is right 2:05:06.640 --> 2:05:10.280 that like is he really the biggest arms deader in 2:05:10.320 --> 2:05:13.600 the world or is that like Dick Cheney or you know, 2:05:13.800 --> 2:05:20.280 Lockheed Martin or that's raytheon, Like, is he really any 2:05:20.360 --> 2:05:22.640 more evil than like I live in San Diego, right 2:05:22.760 --> 2:05:25.280 or most of the companies I just mentioned have offices 2:05:25.320 --> 2:05:27.360 here a road past one of them today, you know, 2:05:27.640 --> 2:05:30.800 and those people also go on the waterside with their kids. 2:05:32.440 --> 2:05:34.680 He does have a kid. He has a daughter, one 2:05:34.800 --> 2:05:39.160 daughter or a child, I don't know, born in the Emirates, 2:05:39.640 --> 2:05:45.160 and they really are now. Yeah, he's a great dad. 2:05:46.600 --> 2:05:52.120 He's been in jail. Yeah, he has a wife to Allah. 2:05:52.200 --> 2:05:56.640 It's his wife, just she was. She's a fair bit 2:05:56.680 --> 2:06:01.120 younger than him. Um so as he's really lost weight 2:06:01.160 --> 2:06:04.720 in jail. And he's looking pretty good picture of him, 2:06:04.720 --> 2:06:08.880 but with a mustache and stuff. He's really he's having 2:06:08.920 --> 2:06:14.960 a glow up, I think in jail. Are you pretty 2:06:15.000 --> 2:06:18.080 thirsty for Victor? Here? Yeah? You look at that mustache. 2:06:18.160 --> 2:06:22.160 Tell me you could say no. And one of the 2:06:22.200 --> 2:06:23.960 things he says in this interview, which is interesting, is 2:06:24.280 --> 2:06:26.880 if I told you everything I know, I'd get the 2:06:27.000 --> 2:06:29.440 red hole right here, and then points to the middle 2:06:29.480 --> 2:06:34.280 of his forehead. I wonder when he meant by that. Yeah, 2:06:35.120 --> 2:06:39.160 a poet, he has a way with words. Yeah, and yeah, 2:06:39.240 --> 2:06:42.560 he's got some of these great one liners and which 2:06:43.640 --> 2:06:47.000 it's people have recently like reinterpreted that to be like 2:06:47.280 --> 2:06:51.040 does he know some ship about put it which is 2:06:52.000 --> 2:06:55.840 to exchange it? Or is he just saying that like 2:06:56.760 --> 2:07:00.360 like he might possibly have something like signed by someone 2:07:00.400 --> 2:07:02.880 who's today a senator, right, like engaging in business with 2:07:02.960 --> 2:07:05.600 one of his companies or something like that, because that's 2:07:05.640 --> 2:07:10.280 how this works. Yeah, I don't know. He's rich and powerful. 2:07:10.320 --> 2:07:12.200 People have probably done business with him, whether they knew 2:07:12.200 --> 2:07:16.240 it or not, and he's aware of this. So that 2:07:17.120 --> 2:07:19.480 article really bounces him up in the sort of world 2:07:19.560 --> 2:07:23.080 Bad Guys List, which is when Nick Cage steps in, 2:07:24.440 --> 2:07:27.760 makes a whole just there's a whole vibe about it 2:07:27.920 --> 2:07:31.640 that moves the person to Brighton beach Um because I 2:07:31.680 --> 2:07:37.800 guess American audiences don't know is yeah to Gikastan no less. 2:07:40.240 --> 2:07:43.640 If you're looking for a film the notorious Mr Boot 2:07:44.720 --> 2:07:49.520 that's the Home Videos Sundance Film Festival Award winner just 2:07:50.120 --> 2:07:53.080 depicting his dad bought adventures. I think I think it's 2:07:53.080 --> 2:08:00.280 worth a serious It was at Sundance. Yeah, it's classic. Yeah, 2:08:00.280 --> 2:08:04.200 I'm pretty sure they keep working with me. I know 2:08:04.760 --> 2:08:07.600 all the time, and I will believe anything at this point, 2:08:07.920 --> 2:08:14.160 so crazy. I quourteen film yep screen the sun Dance 2:08:14.200 --> 2:08:19.000 Film Festival. Holy shit, yep, it's a classic. Um, it's 2:08:19.040 --> 2:08:25.320 got It's got some real scenes seriously like on Rotten Tomatoes. Yep. 2:08:25.680 --> 2:08:29.120 And if you watch actually you get it. There's like 2:08:29.240 --> 2:08:32.280 some pictures of him like dad dancing with his his 2:08:32.440 --> 2:08:35.600 partner at the time. It's just yeah, it's good stuff. 2:08:36.640 --> 2:08:39.400 I would recommend it. And there's picture to him around 2:08:39.440 --> 2:08:43.240 lots of weapons. Obviously you're about Boots yep, yep, tourist 2:08:43.320 --> 2:08:47.200 Mr Boots. Yeah, it's a kitty. It's yeah, it's very 2:08:47.360 --> 2:08:50.280 very busy. It's just a quirky little dude, Like what 2:08:50.920 --> 2:08:57.600 is what a little a little dude? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 2:08:57.640 --> 2:08:59.720 there's a picture of impertend I know what I mean. 2:09:00.000 --> 2:09:06.320 It's not like he's just do you expect him to 2:09:06.360 --> 2:09:09.400 be like evil and I don't know, smoking in a 2:09:09.480 --> 2:09:11.400 dark room all the time. No, this is how they 2:09:11.440 --> 2:09:15.280 get away with it. Yeah. Yeah, Like you would see 2:09:15.320 --> 2:09:17.840 this guy right like you go to the lounge like 2:09:18.960 --> 2:09:22.040 my life, it lounges in like small airparts in like 2:09:22.920 --> 2:09:26.560 the Middle East Africa whenever trying to fly cheap. You 2:09:26.600 --> 2:09:28.840 would see the student the lounge, and you wouldn't be like, oh, 2:09:28.920 --> 2:09:32.800 there goes in international arms dealer. It'd be like if 2:09:32.840 --> 2:09:39.080 that man is in conductors or you know, yeah, yeah, 2:09:39.320 --> 2:09:44.440 like he's not, he's not the joker, and no, he 2:09:44.640 --> 2:09:46.120 is a joker that you can see him having some 2:09:46.160 --> 2:09:51.920 good old japes in this film. When Nicholas Cage plays him, 2:09:51.960 --> 2:09:55.200 he doesn't even have a mustache. I know that's disappointed 2:09:55.520 --> 2:09:59.680 because that is his trademark feature. Well okay, okay, So 2:10:00.000 --> 2:10:04.640 technically the character Nicholas Cage plays is a fictional illegal 2:10:04.840 --> 2:10:09.760 arms dealer based on the stories of Victor about another 2:10:09.880 --> 2:10:14.600 real life arms dealers and smugglers. They want to play 2:10:14.800 --> 2:10:17.880 both ways. Yeah, so I've just got to bitness trailer 2:10:17.920 --> 2:10:20.400 where it's just like eye contact with the camera, hip 2:10:20.440 --> 2:10:25.640 thrusting and it's wow. Okay, well, thank you for that description. 2:10:26.120 --> 2:10:29.040 That's all right, that's all right, guys cut the edge 2:10:29.080 --> 2:10:32.360 of journalism here. Yes, that's right, all right, So we 2:10:32.360 --> 2:10:35.680 should return to to the narrative and not my description 2:10:35.840 --> 2:10:42.120 of a Victor beat dancing. So, um, his arrest is 2:10:42.200 --> 2:10:45.680 kind of fascinating and again, like his arrest is one 2:10:45.720 --> 2:10:48.040 of those things where you're like, oh, this is terrible, 2:10:48.160 --> 2:10:51.520 and then you realize that again, we do this ship 2:10:51.680 --> 2:10:56.520 all the time, right, and so to understand his arrest, 2:10:56.560 --> 2:11:00.320 you've got to first understand this guy Andrew Smoollian uh former, 2:11:00.400 --> 2:11:02.160 he's British, he's born in Britain, but he's a South 2:11:02.200 --> 2:11:07.200 African Air Force officer. Then he goes into commercial flying, 2:11:07.880 --> 2:11:11.320 but at some point he's turned by their intent delivering 2:11:11.480 --> 2:11:13.720 shipments of stuff and then doing a little bit spying 2:11:13.760 --> 2:11:18.960 on the side. Spying on the side. Yeah, yeah, who's 2:11:19.000 --> 2:11:23.480 the longest hasn't found themselves doing a little Everyone has 2:11:23.520 --> 2:11:27.120 their side hustles, a side spying for the doing in 2:11:27.160 --> 2:11:29.840 the Aparthei era, but probably we're certainly in their military 2:11:29.840 --> 2:11:33.400 in the Aparthei era. Yikes. Yeah, smoothly is not not 2:11:33.520 --> 2:11:36.880 a man with morals, I don't think, as we'll find out. 2:11:37.000 --> 2:11:41.839 So Simolean has fallen on hard times by two thousand 2:11:41.880 --> 2:11:47.120 and is working in a hypodermic syringe factory in Tanzania. 2:11:48.000 --> 2:11:50.760 And that's just the fact that I found without context, 2:11:50.840 --> 2:11:53.240 and I haven't felt any need to research further. And 2:11:54.640 --> 2:12:00.760 at that point, slowly it's contacted by generals, right um 2:12:01.480 --> 2:12:06.680 Revolutionary enforces Columbia. Fuck right left wing Marxist guerrilla group 2:12:06.960 --> 2:12:10.560 that have been fighting in the Jungles for I think 2:12:10.600 --> 2:12:13.480 they're one of the world's longest insurgencies for decades. And 2:12:15.480 --> 2:12:19.960 these fuck generals are like, hey, Smooleian, come and meet 2:12:20.080 --> 2:12:24.640 us in a tiki bar in curis out and we 2:12:24.800 --> 2:12:27.600 will have a chat. Smoleyan right, he wants to get 2:12:27.600 --> 2:12:31.280 out the syringe factory, so he's got about it. He 2:12:31.400 --> 2:12:35.400 hops on the plane and they meet in a tiki bar, right, 2:12:35.400 --> 2:12:37.200 which is obviously a good place to do at armsteel 2:12:37.560 --> 2:12:41.760 and very I mean movies are right about that. Stop 2:12:41.800 --> 2:12:45.280 going down in yep, that's a that's the one thing 2:12:45.360 --> 2:12:49.960 that was in fact Cinematic University Victor Boot. So um, 2:12:50.160 --> 2:12:52.360 they're in the tiki bar right now. It should be 2:12:52.440 --> 2:12:55.440 noted that these two farn generals, shockingly are not really 2:12:55.560 --> 2:13:00.720 fun generals. They are d e A assets. In fact, 2:13:01.040 --> 2:13:05.520 they have been This isn't the Colombian Armed Forces, but 2:13:05.600 --> 2:13:08.080 they've decided to pivot to a career in selling cocaine, 2:13:08.720 --> 2:13:12.360 and in that career pivot they've unfortunately come into contact 2:13:12.400 --> 2:13:15.880 with the d A, which is generally not good. Yeah right, 2:13:15.880 --> 2:13:19.880 they're just trying to sell cocaine and do the other thing. Yeah. Yeah, 2:13:20.080 --> 2:13:23.480 they're just vibing and killing indigenous people. Probably. They have 2:13:23.520 --> 2:13:25.920 a pretty rough record in the Colombian military. It's fair 2:13:25.960 --> 2:13:29.760 to say so. D A C. C. M Is like, yet, 2:13:29.840 --> 2:13:32.880 those are our people, and gives them a ton of 2:13:32.920 --> 2:13:37.720 money citizenship families, I believe, and turns them right. Asked 2:13:37.760 --> 2:13:40.800 him to pretend to be fun generals, which they're like, yeah, 2:13:41.040 --> 2:13:43.360 can you can you spell the word you're saying, what 2:13:43.720 --> 2:13:51.280 is the fun? Yeah? F A r C matas Okay, yeah, 2:13:51.600 --> 2:13:55.760 thank you? Yeah, like sorry, f A R C. Fuck. 2:13:56.200 --> 2:13:57.640 I might have got the act I am. I am 2:13:57.760 --> 2:14:01.480 someone that does not know what that is. So honest 2:14:01.520 --> 2:14:05.800 about that. Sorry, you know, there's no reason to unless 2:14:05.840 --> 2:14:11.840 you're a global conflict understand the slash doc. They're very 2:14:11.960 --> 2:14:15.280 nice people, some of them actually, Um they've started micro 2:14:15.400 --> 2:14:20.080 brewery now, Um, yeah, they have a micro brewery. Anything 2:14:20.120 --> 2:14:23.240 you say that, fucking I will send you a store brewery. 2:14:23.800 --> 2:14:26.840 Unlike Scarred by Robert, he just tells me all these 2:14:27.000 --> 2:14:29.360 crazy things that are not true. And I believe I'm 2:14:29.440 --> 2:14:31.480 not like Robert. I'm a man of the truth. I'm 2:14:31.480 --> 2:14:34.360 gonna I would drop it in the chat like, yeah, 2:14:34.400 --> 2:14:38.280 they definitely have started a micro brewery. These are such 2:14:38.280 --> 2:14:43.600 a weird little dudes. I'm saying, Okay, actually the person 2:14:43.680 --> 2:14:48.080 who runs a micro brewery is a woman. Uh good, 2:14:48.320 --> 2:14:55.840 good for her feminism. We love girl bus funk. We're 2:14:55.880 --> 2:14:57.760 very committed to dender quart with you. They had women 2:14:57.840 --> 2:15:01.720 there in their in their military. Yeah, we'll do an 2:15:01.760 --> 2:15:03.200 episode of Robert and I want to go to the 2:15:03.320 --> 2:15:07.400 micro brewery. It's one of my why not sure, We've 2:15:07.640 --> 2:15:12.520 we've got this far. No one's caught us out. So anyway, Interestingly, 2:15:12.960 --> 2:15:16.560 the US government had just done exactly the same thing 2:15:16.800 --> 2:15:20.120 to Monzer al Kassa, who's a Syrian arms dealer. They've 2:15:20.160 --> 2:15:22.960 done the same we're too farck, generals, we would like 2:15:23.040 --> 2:15:27.000 to buy these weapons, And in the discussion the quo 2:15:27.240 --> 2:15:31.200 fuck generals are like, we would like to buy these 2:15:31.240 --> 2:15:34.720 weapons to kill Yankees. We want to kill Americans. It 2:15:34.800 --> 2:15:37.160 would be great to have this gun with a sniper 2:15:37.240 --> 2:15:39.360 scope so we could see if they're American before we 2:15:39.440 --> 2:15:43.720 shoot them. Just like this is where this is where 2:15:43.760 --> 2:15:45.600 we get to like the entrapment, right, and this really 2:15:45.720 --> 2:15:47.400 is like yeah, whatever, bro, like you want guns. I 2:15:47.440 --> 2:15:50.560 know a guy and they're like to kill the Americans. 2:15:50.600 --> 2:15:54.560 So and he's like, yeah, dude, whatever you need. Okay, 2:15:54.680 --> 2:15:59.120 it's getting weird um. But then Smoothly and so he 2:15:59.360 --> 2:16:02.560 is go, okay, so my guy's Victor boot v I 2:16:03.000 --> 2:16:06.520 K T O R B O U T Oh my god, 2:16:07.520 --> 2:16:10.920 which that is? That is a poor move and Smoothy's part. 2:16:12.520 --> 2:16:16.680 So Smoody drops him in organize a meeting, right the 2:16:16.720 --> 2:16:21.440 two generals quote unquote generals and Victor in a hotel 2:16:21.720 --> 2:16:28.200 in Bangkok, and that is where the Victor boots story 2:16:28.280 --> 2:16:32.280 sort of ends, at least the free Victor. So they 2:16:32.360 --> 2:16:36.560 go through the deal and again he's being like, I 2:16:36.640 --> 2:16:38.760 can't believe he conducted his whole life like this because 2:16:38.879 --> 2:16:42.360 his his degree of concern with security is minimal. That 2:16:42.480 --> 2:16:45.480 he'll be like, you guys are getting like five thousand 2:16:45.600 --> 2:16:49.080 a k also some surface to wear missiles and like 2:16:49.200 --> 2:16:55.120 writing it on the hotel notepad. Amazing. Yeah, Like normally 2:16:55.160 --> 2:16:59.400 this isn't the Like the d A rolled a yakuza 2:16:59.600 --> 2:17:03.360 arms recently and they had to explain he was talking 2:17:03.400 --> 2:17:06.440 about cake and ice cream. He meant like surface to 2:17:06.480 --> 2:17:12.600 wear missiles the same for me. Actually, yeah, I'm just 2:17:12.640 --> 2:17:16.440 going to head down to the cake shop. That guy 2:17:16.520 --> 2:17:19.320 funked up by sending a selfie of him weapon to 2:17:19.480 --> 2:17:24.160 the Jesus Christ. Yeah, yeah, it's good. It's a good picture. 2:17:24.840 --> 2:17:27.200 I'll send you that picture because he does look like 2:17:27.240 --> 2:17:31.640 an international supervillain. He has blue aviators. I think, like, 2:17:32.400 --> 2:17:35.360 oh my gosh, some people know they're playing the part, 2:17:35.480 --> 2:17:37.280 you know what I mean? Yeah, you gotta lean in, 2:17:37.760 --> 2:17:42.600 and he leans in. But so about is in this 2:17:42.920 --> 2:17:45.160 in this room, but he's negotiating with his two Colombian 2:17:45.200 --> 2:17:51.440 friends and income the Taype police right the way the 2:17:51.560 --> 2:17:54.199 d A say it. They're like he put his hands 2:17:54.200 --> 2:17:55.879 in the bag and we all pointed our guns at him, 2:17:55.920 --> 2:18:00.160 or like Victor, no, it's over, and and like they 2:18:00.200 --> 2:18:01.520 thought he was going to pull a gun on them. 2:18:01.600 --> 2:18:03.440 But like in the video, he kind of just like 2:18:05.840 --> 2:18:08.760 then I think he says the game is up. He 2:18:08.879 --> 2:18:13.480 has some like Bond villain like a line of course. 2:18:13.600 --> 2:18:18.520 Is he the poet? What did I say? Yeah that's true. Yeah, yeah, 2:18:18.680 --> 2:18:21.640 that's why they're letting him out for his contribution to 2:18:21.760 --> 2:18:26.320 our I do what if there's ever like he was 2:18:26.400 --> 2:18:34.560 a poet Sharide just like hey, yes quote acclaimed podcast. 2:18:35.080 --> 2:18:39.040 This is red shot to describe a gunshot on his groomstad. 2:18:39.280 --> 2:18:46.560 He was a poet, nothing else, poet and no other gigs. 2:18:46.600 --> 2:18:52.120 I was aware what slide duty ast. And so they 2:18:52.240 --> 2:18:55.800 arrest him, right, they hold him in fights the extradition, 2:18:55.879 --> 2:18:57.760 He's like, I'm just a businessman. I don't know what 2:18:57.840 --> 2:19:00.320 you're talking about. I just wanted to say cake and 2:19:00.360 --> 2:19:04.920 ice cream or whatever. And eventually they bring him back 2:19:04.959 --> 2:19:07.199 to the United States. They try him in this federal 2:19:07.360 --> 2:19:09.840 jurisdiction in New York where they try and nearly every 2:19:10.959 --> 2:19:13.959 rorism case like this, right, Like the recent oh nine 2:19:14.000 --> 2:19:17.960 A case was in the same jurisdiction, so like that 2:19:18.200 --> 2:19:20.640 makes sense. Yeah, they always do it in New York. 2:19:21.040 --> 2:19:24.560 I think that his trial was like September or October. 2:19:27.040 --> 2:19:31.200 The you know, you're trying someone like seven years after 2:19:31.320 --> 2:19:34.240 nine eleven, six years after nine eleven in New York, 2:19:34.720 --> 2:19:38.760 around the anniversary of what happened eleven, right, so people 2:19:38.800 --> 2:19:41.160 are pretty and then you're like, in this dude sold 2:19:41.240 --> 2:19:44.439 weapons to the town. He moved gold out of Afghanistan 2:19:44.560 --> 2:19:49.680 for al Qaeda, and he's pretty screwed. Cancel culture strikes again. 2:19:51.120 --> 2:19:56.280 The work mob came for Victor and his wife says 2:19:56.400 --> 2:19:59.400 outside the court, which I thought was interested. They're trying 2:19:59.520 --> 2:20:03.800 Nicholas Cage, not my husband. Oh, Ship, that's actually a 2:20:03.879 --> 2:20:10.280 really interesting statement in terms of like media perceptions of people. Yeah, yeah, 2:20:10.400 --> 2:20:15.120 they do not go after this guy until and then 2:20:15.280 --> 2:20:18.360 Victor and then what's it called the Nicolas Cage movie 2:20:18.440 --> 2:20:22.520 Lord of War? Yeah, and then you can't separate. I 2:20:22.560 --> 2:20:25.840 don't think the like, look, he's a piece of shit, 2:20:26.240 --> 2:20:29.000 but like he did make a movie about himself, though 2:20:29.720 --> 2:20:33.480 he didn't. I scot that they already sent seven years 2:20:33.520 --> 2:20:35.800 after he gone down, Okay, I didn't look at the 2:20:36.000 --> 2:20:41.560 date that. Yeah, no, I was like, that's why, completely 2:20:41.640 --> 2:20:49.360 different until just this second, my mistake, the Sundance film 2:20:50.520 --> 2:20:54.920 seven years later Victor boot It would have been amazing 2:20:54.959 --> 2:20:59.680 if yeah, get that up with our listeners, Ship, we 2:20:59.680 --> 2:21:01.920 could go it up to the nineties. I reckon m 2:21:02.160 --> 2:21:05.840 H and that because the thumbs up, So I think 2:21:05.840 --> 2:21:09.280 they probably did write. Like in organizations like the d A, 2:21:09.400 --> 2:21:12.640 in these big federal law enforcement agencies, there are a 2:21:12.640 --> 2:21:15.080 lot of people who want top jobs, and I think 2:21:15.200 --> 2:21:17.720 one of the ways to advance is getting one of 2:21:17.800 --> 2:21:22.480 the right. I have very little federal law enforcement understanding, 2:21:22.840 --> 2:21:26.000 but it strikes me that they kind of they had 2:21:26.240 --> 2:21:29.040 the d A agent in charge of his arrest on 2:21:30.600 --> 2:21:32.840 ABC I think, or in sixty minutes or something, the 2:21:32.879 --> 2:21:35.520 guy talks about himself and point on there. It's a 2:21:35.560 --> 2:21:43.760 bit weird. It's clearly like a career defining a thing, right, 2:21:43.800 --> 2:21:45.680 And I really don't think it would have been if 2:21:45.840 --> 2:21:48.440 like no one made a film about Monterel Castle, right, 2:21:48.480 --> 2:21:51.680 he was selling all the weapons to you know, they 2:21:51.720 --> 2:21:53.640 didn't trap him in the same way actually, but it's 2:21:53.680 --> 2:21:59.120 it's not such a big thing. So Boot goes to jail. 2:21:59.720 --> 2:22:03.400 He's been in jail about twelve years now, and now 2:22:03.600 --> 2:22:08.080 the Biden administration seems to or at least know that 2:22:08.280 --> 2:22:11.560 he's like worth offering, and they offered him in trade 2:22:11.600 --> 2:22:17.320 for Snowden apparently, uh yeah, and Russia didn't take that. Um. 2:22:18.440 --> 2:22:21.320 I just think it's probably that they seem more value 2:22:21.320 --> 2:22:25.880 with Snowden. But the yeah, they they seem to have 2:22:25.959 --> 2:22:29.680 offered him again in the in this grinder wheeling trade. 2:22:30.280 --> 2:22:33.360 It's still unclear if Russia will accept him or not. 2:22:33.760 --> 2:22:35.840 Like we said before, it's a very weird practice to 2:22:36.000 --> 2:22:39.720 be like like Pokemon cards, yeah, or like literally like 2:22:40.000 --> 2:22:43.959 the NBA, like the thing that yeah, pretty greater works 2:22:44.000 --> 2:22:46.560 for It's like you're literally creating like a fantasy team 2:22:46.720 --> 2:22:51.440 or whatever, the ship of of prisoners and or people 2:22:51.520 --> 2:22:56.000 that you want the hostages. Yeah, it's interesting to see 2:22:56.080 --> 2:22:59.960 like Russia kind of just like I don't know if 2:23:00.040 --> 2:23:02.520 they sort of want to be like, look how much 2:23:02.600 --> 2:23:05.279 we owned you, Like we made you trade the world's 2:23:05.320 --> 2:23:09.680 most notorious arms dealer for a basketball player, Like if 2:23:09.720 --> 2:23:14.120 they kind of I don't know the ridiculousness of what 2:23:14.240 --> 2:23:18.760 they've done to somehow win for them, or if Russia 2:23:18.840 --> 2:23:20.959 wants him back because he has some kind of intel 2:23:21.000 --> 2:23:24.320 that they're afraid of. I'm not sure if that's the case. 2:23:24.360 --> 2:23:28.400 He lived in Moscow for a while, I didn't know 2:23:28.480 --> 2:23:30.480 how close he was to the Russian state. I'm sure 2:23:31.200 --> 2:23:34.200 he knows some stuff. It's almost does not much of 2:23:34.280 --> 2:23:36.280 a state in the world that he doesn't have something on, right, 2:23:36.920 --> 2:23:41.199 So it's possible, and I guess he's kind of served 2:23:41.240 --> 2:23:44.760 his purpose, which was just like you know, we can 2:23:44.879 --> 2:23:47.600 find you anywhere, we can come after you anywhere, Um, 2:23:48.240 --> 2:23:51.320 we can arrestue And I don't want to be like 2:23:51.920 --> 2:23:55.880 like pro armed dealer on the podcast, but like on 2:23:56.040 --> 2:24:03.039 the podcast, James flee different. But Mike James is gonna 2:24:03.160 --> 2:24:08.360 say that we're not technically pro arms stealing. Yeah, this 2:24:08.520 --> 2:24:11.920 is not not a prom stealing podcast technically. Yeah. That 2:24:11.959 --> 2:24:13.640 would be a good place for an ad pivot, wouldn't it. 2:24:14.640 --> 2:24:17.440 But do you know who is pro stealing? Yeah? Yeah, 2:24:18.480 --> 2:24:20.520 based on I don't know how long we have left though, 2:24:20.600 --> 2:24:22.959 and may not makes sense here, but we can leave 2:24:23.000 --> 2:24:26.440 the joke in to prove that we're funny, Yeah, that 2:24:26.560 --> 2:24:30.960 we sometimes think about it. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, we're considerate 2:24:31.000 --> 2:24:34.800 and funny yea, yeah, and kind and I'm not pro 2:24:35.000 --> 2:24:39.200 arm stealer and most apportently yeah. Yeah. So Victor is 2:24:40.320 --> 2:24:43.720 in prison. He's been imprisoned for about twelve years. He's 2:24:43.760 --> 2:24:47.200 got he got twenty five years. The judge, you've not 2:24:47.320 --> 2:24:49.840 proved he was going to do any crimes other than 2:24:49.879 --> 2:24:53.640 the ones you kind of talked him into, like a 2:24:53.800 --> 2:25:00.400 fair Yeah. Yeah, it woke judge because again, when they're 2:25:00.400 --> 2:25:03.040 meeting him, they're like, we want to kill America. The 2:25:03.080 --> 2:25:05.480 scopes are hig enough magnification so we can see their American. 2:25:05.680 --> 2:25:08.600 There's some specific dialogue about the sniper scopes too, like 2:25:09.480 --> 2:25:12.080 to ensure and they they're trying to get surface to 2:25:12.120 --> 2:25:14.240 our missiles as well, right, and surface to our missiles 2:25:14.400 --> 2:25:16.680 one of the harder things to acquire in the international 2:25:16.800 --> 2:25:20.879 arms market. And so he's gonna supply those. And they 2:25:20.879 --> 2:25:24.959 claim they're going to shootwn American airliners and do a terrorism. Yeah, 2:25:25.000 --> 2:25:28.480 that'll definitely get them mad. Yeah they're gonna Well, but 2:25:28.879 --> 2:25:32.640 he only says that because the two d a plants. 2:25:34.000 --> 2:25:35.960 Yeah yeah, yeah. I don't think the dude would have 2:25:35.959 --> 2:25:41.480 bat nihlid either way. I mean typical fed behavior, right, like, yeah, 2:25:41.520 --> 2:25:45.480 they walked in there in the cool flannel shirts and 2:25:45.560 --> 2:25:52.320 he did, Hey, who is a crime? Let me escalate 2:25:52.360 --> 2:25:56.680 the level of crime. So he's in prison, they've offered 2:25:56.720 --> 2:26:00.200 to trade him. It remains to be seeing, Like, don't 2:26:00.200 --> 2:26:01.640 know how relevant he will be if he comes out. 2:26:01.680 --> 2:26:07.160 It's interesting, Like the area I'm most familiar with the 2:26:07.320 --> 2:26:12.560 books firearms transactions is in Myanmar, right, Robert, Now, I've 2:26:12.560 --> 2:26:15.600 spent some time writing about that, and the price of 2:26:15.720 --> 2:26:19.360 weapons going small arms going to rebels in Mihama is 2:26:19.400 --> 2:26:25.640 insane right now, like it, And so maybe taking him 2:26:25.680 --> 2:26:27.480 out has changed that market a bit. I don't know, 2:26:27.600 --> 2:26:29.280 you'd think someone would have stepped in to fill that 2:26:29.360 --> 2:26:32.400 gap in the time that he'd been out of the game. 2:26:33.640 --> 2:26:37.320 You'd think, especially after the giant clusterfucker of leaving Afghanistan 2:26:37.680 --> 2:26:40.199 by the but we'd have done a lot more weapons 2:26:40.240 --> 2:26:44.320 onto the market. So what you're saying is there's yeah, 2:26:45.680 --> 2:26:50.920 get your resume ready, listeners. Yeah, you know, learn those languages. 2:26:51.040 --> 2:26:55.800 That's what I'm saying to the other applicants. Yeah, yeah, 2:26:56.320 --> 2:26:58.440 learned soundscript. But on your resume, no one will call 2:26:58.480 --> 2:27:00.560 you on it. It will be fine. It's okay to 2:27:00.640 --> 2:27:03.879 lie about Sanskrit unless you're I guess going to theological college. 2:27:04.160 --> 2:27:06.879 And but yeah, he's learned Sanskrit, he's learned a bunch 2:27:06.920 --> 2:27:11.960 of other languages. In prison. He's probably writing poems in there, right, Yeah, 2:27:12.800 --> 2:27:14.720 he's probably dropping a book, is what he'll do, or 2:27:14.760 --> 2:27:17.360 come out. I'll drop a book, Honestly, I'm not I 2:27:17.400 --> 2:27:19.520 wouldn't be surprised by that. If that was true. I 2:27:20.080 --> 2:27:22.199 would read a book written by one of the world's 2:27:22.240 --> 2:27:27.920 most famous international arms dealers. Add poets And that's right, 2:27:28.000 --> 2:27:31.400 add poets. Hey, based on what the quotes are that 2:27:31.520 --> 2:27:34.959 he's given so far, I'm sure he has really good writing. 2:27:35.200 --> 2:27:40.760 So who knows. We don't know. How much money he has. 2:27:41.120 --> 2:27:44.040 No one seems it's done a good job of hiding it. 2:27:44.640 --> 2:27:48.040 We don't know what the state of his businesses. It 2:27:48.120 --> 2:27:52.440 seems like he has just kind of pieced out, hang 2:27:52.520 --> 2:27:55.680 out in jail and maybe now we'll be going back 2:27:55.680 --> 2:27:57.960 to Russia to live in his ducher and just right 2:27:58.879 --> 2:28:03.760 sides all day we can dream. It feels like, yeah, 2:28:03.800 --> 2:28:06.600 if they offered him for Snowden already and now they're 2:28:06.600 --> 2:28:12.880 offering him again, either the only like quote unquote good 2:28:13.600 --> 2:28:19.280 Russian hostage, like worth worthy Russian hostage, or they in 2:28:19.400 --> 2:28:20.840 my head, I feel like they're trying to make a 2:28:20.879 --> 2:28:23.880 big statement like Brittney Grinder is so important to us 2:28:25.320 --> 2:28:28.200 this man. Does that make sense? Yeah it does? Yeah, 2:28:28.560 --> 2:28:31.720 I hope. I mean, look what's happening to her is disgusting, right, 2:28:31.760 --> 2:28:37.280 and every day he spent abhorrent and so like, yeah, 2:28:37.360 --> 2:28:40.160 you hope that that they I think, Yeah, I think 2:28:40.200 --> 2:28:44.480 he's there's no real I don't know. It doesn't really 2:28:44.520 --> 2:28:46.680 serve the interests of the state to keep him in prison, right, 2:28:46.760 --> 2:28:49.640 Like the big win was getting him there, and that 2:28:49.959 --> 2:28:52.520 I think showed people doing what he does that like 2:28:52.680 --> 2:28:56.480 the US will come after you and and so like that. 2:28:57.560 --> 2:29:00.560 It really I think twelve years is a long enough time, 2:29:00.680 --> 2:29:04.879 you know, leg So I don't know, I don't understand 2:29:04.920 --> 2:29:10.280 the motivations of world leaders. But hopefully we get some 2:29:10.400 --> 2:29:12.280 up this I don't know. Hopefully Britty grinded doesn't have 2:29:12.400 --> 2:29:15.080 to don't get in what I'm sure it's a pretty 2:29:15.120 --> 2:29:18.200 terrible Russian prison for having a vape pen, because that 2:29:18.720 --> 2:29:22.320 is bollocks. And I just want to say before we 2:29:22.360 --> 2:29:25.080 finish up here that we are indebted to our friend Matt, 2:29:26.160 --> 2:29:30.560 who is at I think enjoy It on Twitter or 2:29:30.640 --> 2:29:35.920 Raccoon Liberation Front Black Flag Enjoyers Matt's Handel. Matt actually 2:29:36.240 --> 2:29:38.280 came on to help us do an interview with this. 2:29:39.000 --> 2:29:40.880 Matt has worked in a lot of these places, not 2:29:41.000 --> 2:29:43.480 as an arms dealer, I should add, but doing some 2:29:43.760 --> 2:29:48.680 like civilis and even thinks that he ran into Victor 2:29:48.720 --> 2:29:51.240 boot in a bar in Somali land once. And because 2:29:51.280 --> 2:29:53.240 if we discussed you would not know that the student 2:29:53.320 --> 2:29:59.680 was an arms dealer. Unfortunately Matt's audio was unrecoverable, and 2:30:00.240 --> 2:30:04.320 and as debt for his help, and you should follow 2:30:04.440 --> 2:30:08.800 him on Twitter if you want to anything else, WEECHI 2:30:08.879 --> 2:30:13.600 plug Sharene Garrison now I think I think that does 2:30:13.640 --> 2:30:17.720 it for us today. So just google Victor boot up. Yeah, 2:30:18.600 --> 2:30:35.959 here weekend? Oh hi, this is this is it could 2:30:36.000 --> 2:30:38.040 happen here. It's this. This isn't my episode, this is 2:30:38.040 --> 2:30:42.959 actually christ Um. But I guess I guess we're starting. Uh, Chris, 2:30:43.640 --> 2:30:46.280 how are you doing today? You know I'm running on 2:30:46.440 --> 2:30:48.520 very little sleep and a lot of bubble tea. And 2:30:48.560 --> 2:30:50.680 by bububble tea, I mean canned bubble tea. This is 2:30:50.760 --> 2:30:56.160 the good ship really in terms of it being bubble 2:30:56.160 --> 2:30:57.840 tea is kind of okay, in terms of it being 2:30:58.320 --> 2:31:01.400 like a thing that has more sugar than like any 2:31:01.520 --> 2:31:04.040 human should ever consume and functions as an energy drink 2:31:04.080 --> 2:31:07.400 while tasting good, It's good ship. That's why I lived. 2:31:07.440 --> 2:31:09.680 That's why I lived that Bang life, Baby. We would 2:31:09.680 --> 2:31:11.720 not we would not get any of my scripted episodes 2:31:11.760 --> 2:31:19.440 done without Bang. Yeah. I drink rip it. It really is. 2:31:22.640 --> 2:31:25.680 So speaking of colonialism, actually I don't have a colonialism 2:31:25.760 --> 2:31:29.080 tie into this, all right, But what I do have 2:31:29.760 --> 2:31:38.360 is a bunch of people attacking a children's hospital. Ah So, 2:31:38.720 --> 2:31:42.520 on August, police and Boston were called to investigate a 2:31:42.560 --> 2:31:47.480 bomb threat against as parents waited outside an agect terror 2:31:47.560 --> 2:31:49.720 for their children's who are still trapped in the building. 2:31:49.920 --> 2:31:53.160 Police bomb squad swapped the building for hours. This time 2:31:53.560 --> 2:31:56.600 there was no bomb. Next time we might not be 2:31:56.720 --> 2:32:02.760 so lucky. Welcome to the next Day, trans People. So okay, 2:32:02.959 --> 2:32:05.360 how how did we get to right wingers calling in 2:32:05.440 --> 2:32:08.240 bomb threats to a children's hospital? A thing that I 2:32:08.320 --> 2:32:09.720 feel like I need to make a carve out at 2:32:09.720 --> 2:32:12.480 the beginning of this episode to talk about how absolutely 2:32:12.520 --> 2:32:14.480 absurd it is that people are sending death threats to 2:32:14.560 --> 2:32:21.039 eight children's hospital's. Children's hospital, they take, they do health 2:32:21.080 --> 2:32:28.240 care for children, like So the answer to why this 2:32:28.400 --> 2:32:32.520 is happening is basically the right's new media strategy drive 2:32:32.560 --> 2:32:35.280 it all once again is Chaya Raychick, who is better 2:32:35.360 --> 2:32:40.600 known as Lives of TikTok and the Enemy of the 2:32:40.680 --> 2:32:46.440 Pod recurring character on the POT. She's she's kind of displaced. 2:32:46.520 --> 2:32:50.520 She's kind of displaced, done that much lately, And it's 2:32:50.600 --> 2:32:55.160 like the recurring pod like person her and her and Matt, 2:32:56.879 --> 2:33:02.480 don't worry, He's bigger, easy the walls, walls will appear 2:33:03.920 --> 2:33:07.520 and the Washington Post editorial page that one always God, 2:33:08.560 --> 2:33:10.960 you know, I I could I could write I could 2:33:11.040 --> 2:33:14.160 write like all of my episodes about the Washington Post 2:33:14.240 --> 2:33:16.320 editorial page, so I don't do it and instead talk 2:33:16.360 --> 2:33:22.640 about this fucking Twitter account whereas and you know, okay, 2:33:22.959 --> 2:33:26.200 last scene sticking rabid mobs of reaction areas on teachers, schools, 2:33:26.280 --> 2:33:28.680 drag queens and random children on the internet for the 2:33:28.800 --> 2:33:33.520 crime of being queer or supporting queer kids in anyway. Yeah, 2:33:36.320 --> 2:33:38.119 not the last time we're gonna talk about her, unless 2:33:38.280 --> 2:33:42.000 like miraculously he's destroyed in the next like three days. 2:33:42.280 --> 2:33:45.280 But well, we're gonna do here sort of take a 2:33:45.320 --> 2:33:47.320 deep dive into how and media strategy works and how 2:33:47.440 --> 2:33:49.480 sort of like the broadert right wing media sphere uses 2:33:49.480 --> 2:33:55.280 in Launder's rachex talking point pudo pseudo intellectual babble stuff 2:33:55.320 --> 2:33:59.440 to sell to wider audience, and the strategy like functionally 2:33:59.640 --> 2:34:01.480 is not It's like it's literally the same thing Alex 2:34:01.560 --> 2:34:05.200 Jones does. It's like, okay, so you you missread a headline, right, 2:34:05.320 --> 2:34:06.880 or someone puts a video in front of you that 2:34:06.959 --> 2:34:09.680 you haven't won, do you lie about what it says? 2:34:10.920 --> 2:34:14.040 And then you and you like invents basically some incredibly 2:34:14.120 --> 2:34:16.760 dramatic story about what it says and then you get 2:34:16.760 --> 2:34:18.520 a bunch of other people the writing media sphere to 2:34:18.720 --> 2:34:21.400 back you up for it. And then when inevitably someone's like, hey, 2:34:21.440 --> 2:34:26.800 you're wrong. You claim your being censored. Yeah, but I don't. 2:34:26.959 --> 2:34:31.360 I don't mischaracterize anything. I just post people's own videos 2:34:31.480 --> 2:34:34.360 that that they that they themselves posts and then also 2:34:34.760 --> 2:34:37.000 then also just call them a pedophile for a saying 2:34:37.120 --> 2:34:42.400 that they were pronoun pants. Um yeah, anyway, yeah, um 2:34:42.560 --> 2:34:45.240 so so on. On August eleventh, lives a TikTok posted 2:34:45.280 --> 2:34:48.959 a tweet that said, quote Boston Children's Hospital at Boston 2:34:49.120 --> 2:34:53.000 Children's is now offering quote gender refirming his directomies for 2:34:53.120 --> 2:34:55.959 young girls. And so there there's there's a video attached. Right, 2:34:58.160 --> 2:35:00.360 does not say anything about this. Right, the video is 2:35:00.440 --> 2:35:03.080 literally just an explanation of what it has directed me is. 2:35:05.440 --> 2:35:08.440 And you know, but but this this like goes viral 2:35:08.520 --> 2:35:11.160 like literally three hours later. Matt Walsh, a man who 2:35:11.240 --> 2:35:14.760 once said on video and I think my kids consent 2:35:14.879 --> 2:35:19.840 all the time, I tweeted quote he said that that's 2:35:19.879 --> 2:35:23.000 on video that I am not selectively editing this. He 2:35:23.280 --> 2:35:29.960 just said that, so yeah, he he tweeted up. Nice 2:35:30.000 --> 2:35:32.800 effort to fight back against the drugging and mutilation of children. 2:35:32.840 --> 2:35:35.600 There should be rallies outside of the hospitals that butcher children. 2:35:35.640 --> 2:35:38.000 There should be marches on Washington with hundreds of thousands 2:35:38.040 --> 2:35:42.160 of people. I will try to get this ball rolling. Yeah, 2:35:42.280 --> 2:35:46.480 he's he's been increasingly trying to do like this moral 2:35:46.959 --> 2:35:50.160 like superiority war and be like, of course we should 2:35:50.160 --> 2:35:54.440 hate I'm not a morally compromised degenerate and that that's 2:35:54.480 --> 2:35:56.280 kind of that style of talking points that he's trying 2:35:56.320 --> 2:35:59.880 to mainstream. He's a popular guest on Fox News. He 2:36:00.120 --> 2:36:04.680 made the he made the infamous anti trans documentary What 2:36:04.840 --> 2:36:07.959 Is a Woman? Earlier this year. Talk about at some point, 2:36:08.680 --> 2:36:12.000 but he's he's, he's he's trying to present himself as 2:36:12.240 --> 2:36:15.640 like an authority figure in the war against trans people. 2:36:16.080 --> 2:36:18.440 He's his work has been boosted by J. K. Rolling. 2:36:18.800 --> 2:36:22.160 He describes himself as a theocratic fascist kind of jokingly 2:36:23.120 --> 2:36:25.920 just completely accurate. There's no sub such a difference between 2:36:25.959 --> 2:36:29.199 what he believes in, like what the fucking people believe 2:36:29.360 --> 2:36:32.480 so like no or the like. He's wanting to organize 2:36:32.560 --> 2:36:35.560 rallies outside of like trans health clinics to like destroy 2:36:35.680 --> 2:36:41.680 trans research. What does huh? Yeah, never happened in human 2:36:41.800 --> 2:36:48.760 history anyway, continue, I also want to mention this. Okay, 2:36:48.800 --> 2:36:50.720 so as bad as was a woman is, he made 2:36:50.760 --> 2:36:53.200 it even He's actually created something even worse than this, 2:36:53.320 --> 2:36:58.280 which is like maybe history's most dogshit children's book, Johnnie 2:36:58.320 --> 2:37:04.000 the Walrus, like just unbelievably transphobic piece of ship thing 2:37:04.080 --> 2:37:06.039 that he made. Like I don't think a single child 2:37:06.080 --> 2:37:10.560 has ever read willingly. The Daily Wires kind of pushed 2:37:12.080 --> 2:37:16.199 like a children's media creation has been kind of wacky, 2:37:16.560 --> 2:37:20.400 it's awful, like it's it's I don't know these people, 2:37:20.800 --> 2:37:25.800 like they just they're all hacks. But the problem is 2:37:25.800 --> 2:37:27.720 if you want to make a children's book thing, like 2:37:27.959 --> 2:37:30.400 you actually have to make something, but you have to 2:37:30.440 --> 2:37:33.240 make something that like a child will really just like 2:37:33.760 --> 2:37:36.160 you don't you don't need to. You have to sell 2:37:36.240 --> 2:37:41.000 it to parents. Yeah that's not actual kid, it's about parents. 2:37:41.240 --> 2:37:44.320 Like the actual children will be extremely unhappy about this, 2:37:44.600 --> 2:37:46.360 but like, you know, okay, yeah you can, you can. 2:37:46.400 --> 2:37:49.640 You can. You can sell the pictures of a walrus 2:37:49.800 --> 2:37:54.120 to like forty year old mothers who are scared that 2:37:54.760 --> 2:37:58.840 their kid is wearing dresses or you know whatever. So 2:37:59.400 --> 2:38:07.120 all right, so Matt Walsh, the Kid's consents Man, is 2:38:07.240 --> 2:38:10.160 on go. By August fifteen, Matt Walsh is on a 2:38:10.280 --> 2:38:12.680 show which is called The Matt Walsh Show, which is 2:38:12.760 --> 2:38:15.800 the thing people great type. All of these people the 2:38:15.920 --> 2:38:18.040 name of their show is just their name, and it's like, 2:38:19.160 --> 2:38:21.160 that's why this, that's why this show is called the 2:38:21.360 --> 2:38:26.440 Robert Evans Show why in which Robert Evans occasionally appears on. 2:38:26.560 --> 2:38:32.440 It's true. So Tim Pool, he made the Tim cast. 2:38:32.520 --> 2:38:37.440 He showed some real initiative there. Look, this, this is 2:38:37.560 --> 2:38:39.720 this is the kind of innovation that only the only, 2:38:39.800 --> 2:38:42.880 the right and only entrepreneurship can bring us. They changed 2:38:43.879 --> 2:38:46.720 by three words. I mean, I still remember like a 2:38:46.840 --> 2:38:50.120 decade ago when Matt Walsh was like a niche but 2:38:50.400 --> 2:38:56.640 growing figure and like the evangelical influencer community, it's like 2:38:56.680 --> 2:38:59.920 a younger evangelical kid kind of interest in what Matt 2:39:00.000 --> 2:39:02.200 Walsh was doing because he was like kind of like 2:39:02.320 --> 2:39:05.360 a hipstern trying like doing like more like modern spins 2:39:05.440 --> 2:39:09.200 on some on some more kind of classic evangel evangelical topics. 2:39:09.640 --> 2:39:15.160 And then as I was getting evangelical Christianity, Walsh was 2:39:15.280 --> 2:39:18.320 like was getting way more radical in kind of in 2:39:18.440 --> 2:39:20.800 line with like you know, the lead up to trump 2:39:21.520 --> 2:39:25.040 Um and then he just went fully off the deep end. 2:39:25.160 --> 2:39:28.800 And even even as like in my meeting stages of 2:39:28.840 --> 2:39:31.480 being Christian were like, oh, this Walsh guy is like 2:39:32.360 --> 2:39:35.400 kind of nuts. He's like he is like going in 2:39:35.520 --> 2:39:37.680 some weird directions. He used to be kind of more 2:39:37.720 --> 2:39:41.600 like a moderate evangelical, still very conservative, but like he 2:39:41.680 --> 2:39:42.960 used to kind of be the cool kid on the 2:39:43.000 --> 2:39:46.720 block and through spear and then we're like, oh no, 2:39:47.000 --> 2:39:51.240 he's like he's doing some weird ship. Yeah, and and 2:39:51.400 --> 2:39:53.800 that weird ship. So like okay, So he goes on 2:39:53.879 --> 2:39:57.039 his show and he starts screaming about how Cuban purity 2:39:57.080 --> 2:40:01.600 blockers are chemical trend castration, yes, which is like this 2:40:01.720 --> 2:40:05.280 is objectively not true. Like people like Matt rich I 2:40:05.320 --> 2:40:07.520 will argue that, like it's the same drug and like, yeah, 2:40:07.560 --> 2:40:09.240 you can use fertilizer to make a car bomb. That 2:40:09.280 --> 2:40:12.600 doesn't mean that gardening his terrorism. Yes, as as you 2:40:13.080 --> 2:40:17.040 if as long as you were taking it make you 2:40:17.160 --> 2:40:19.640 not able to reproduce as you're taking it, then when 2:40:19.680 --> 2:40:24.039 you stop taking it you can can reproduce again. Also, 2:40:24.400 --> 2:40:27.240 it's kind of concerning how much they're they're worried about 2:40:27.320 --> 2:40:30.920 twelve year olds not being able to reproduce. Uh, correct, 2:40:31.360 --> 2:40:35.440 Matt Walsh. Matt Walsh, I violate. Let me go back 2:40:35.480 --> 2:40:38.280 and read this exact quote. Don't. I don't want this 2:40:38.400 --> 2:40:40.760 to be taken. I don't. I don't want him to 2:40:40.840 --> 2:40:44.080 argue that I'm quoting him. I violate my kids consent 2:40:44.200 --> 2:40:48.960 all the time, Matt. No, he claims that forcing his 2:40:49.120 --> 2:40:52.000 kids to clean their room. But will that is some 2:40:52.160 --> 2:40:57.200 interesting word choices, you know, Okay, And obviously for like 2:40:57.280 --> 2:40:59.280 the pauty puberty blocker thing. We've talked with this in 2:40:59.280 --> 2:41:01.360 the show before. They're trying to frame this as like 2:41:01.760 --> 2:41:05.800 if you take if your kid gets on puberty permanently sterile, 2:41:05.879 --> 2:41:07.920 which just isn't true. That that's just false, like that 2:41:08.240 --> 2:41:09.680 that that is, that is not that's not how these 2:41:09.760 --> 2:41:13.480 drugs work. Um They're also claimed that these drugs are 2:41:14.000 --> 2:41:17.360 are like fatal. They're like, look with people who took 2:41:17.400 --> 2:41:19.600 this drug, this mat this massive percentage of them and 2:41:20.760 --> 2:41:22.879 um as they were on it. And this is because 2:41:23.320 --> 2:41:26.840 the drugs also used to treat terminal illnesses, so the 2:41:27.120 --> 2:41:29.640 it's like like a specifically heart condition or like I 2:41:29.720 --> 2:41:31.040 think I think it's I think it's some some the 2:41:31.080 --> 2:41:34.680 heart condition thing. Um, so people like old people who 2:41:34.720 --> 2:41:38.320 are on the drug will because of their because of 2:41:38.720 --> 2:41:41.360 their like condition that drug is treating them for. So 2:41:41.720 --> 2:41:43.800 they try to use that false statistic to then make 2:41:44.080 --> 2:41:46.920 lead like kids are dying on this puberty blocker, which 2:41:46.920 --> 2:41:49.640 is again is not true. It's it's all blatantly false things. 2:41:50.320 --> 2:41:52.120 We're gonna get into more of the bullshit they get 2:41:52.160 --> 2:41:54.840 into a second. Yeah, it's a it's a it's a 2:41:54.920 --> 2:41:58.240 time he's doing it that they've they really really started 2:41:58.320 --> 2:42:01.000 leaning into this. One is screwing about like hospitals mutilating 2:42:01.080 --> 2:42:03.360 children because you know, this is it's an incredibly sort 2:42:03.360 --> 2:42:05.640 of lurid image and it's like, okay, so she's just 2:42:05.760 --> 2:42:08.640 like literally what he's describing it is just a hysterectomy, right, 2:42:08.720 --> 2:42:11.320 which is like a thing that it's just a regular 2:42:12.120 --> 2:42:14.080 that also, and I kind of emphasize this enough, no 2:42:14.240 --> 2:42:17.600 one under eighteen is getting a hysterectomy, not really, I 2:42:17.640 --> 2:42:20.240 mean there is. Again, I think a few a few 2:42:20.360 --> 2:42:25.080 places have specific conditions for people who are over the 2:42:25.240 --> 2:42:28.680 age of medical state that they're in, like, for instance, 2:42:28.720 --> 2:42:32.560 Oregan's medically consent for most things. Is a sixteen years old. Um, 2:42:32.879 --> 2:42:36.360 there's certain conditions for like seventeen year olds usually to 2:42:36.640 --> 2:42:39.560 start the process if they want that down the line 2:42:39.600 --> 2:42:42.280 can get consulted. Like the Yeah, the thing of Boston 2:42:42.320 --> 2:42:44.600 Joe's Hospital they're they're all screaming about, is there's a 2:42:44.680 --> 2:42:47.000 thing that says seventeen on a document talking about this, 2:42:47.080 --> 2:42:48.760 and what they mean is that you can start consultations 2:42:49.120 --> 2:42:52.080 when you're seventeen. But in Boston, like this hospital has 2:42:52.200 --> 2:42:58.040 never they've never done this that happens to surgery on 2:42:58.160 --> 2:43:02.760 like fifteen year olds that that just like just that happens. Um, 2:43:03.120 --> 2:43:07.520 there's possibly been like uh like like literally a couple 2:43:07.680 --> 2:43:11.959 like literally like through like one to three extremely rare 2:43:12.040 --> 2:43:19.560 incidents that patients, doctors, therapists, medical professionals have have done 2:43:19.640 --> 2:43:24.560 things to to help treat very severe gender dysphoria. But 2:43:24.680 --> 2:43:27.840 that is only extremely few instances because all of these 2:43:27.879 --> 2:43:30.960 surgeries and all these treatments are so medically gate like 2:43:31.160 --> 2:43:34.680 gate caps. Like I've been trying to get top surgery 2:43:35.200 --> 2:43:38.440 at their an adult and they've been doing this process 2:43:38.640 --> 2:43:42.400 and its like it takes years like it is so 2:43:43.080 --> 2:43:46.440 it's so challenging. Yeah, like there there is an entire 2:43:47.360 --> 2:43:50.720 system of gender bureaucrats whose like entire job is you 2:43:50.840 --> 2:43:53.920 have to like like you have to convince these people 2:43:54.120 --> 2:43:58.039 that your gender is real and it yeah, the gender 2:43:58.080 --> 2:44:00.440 allowed to do things, year allowed to sign off on 2:44:00.560 --> 2:44:05.480 things happening to your body. Yeah, like okay, you know, okay. 2:44:06.120 --> 2:44:08.440 The product of all of this bullshit is, like, you know, 2:44:08.520 --> 2:44:11.160 all the surgery back they're coming for your kids ship succession, 2:44:11.280 --> 2:44:13.640 just like absolute obsession with making sure that people with 2:44:13.720 --> 2:44:15.800 eaters is can like you can force them to have 2:44:15.920 --> 2:44:18.000 kids later down the line. The product of this is 2:44:18.080 --> 2:44:21.279 Matt starts yelling about how this needs to be stopped, 2:44:21.320 --> 2:44:23.240 and then, like COYLEI suggests maybe we should start with 2:44:23.280 --> 2:44:26.800 Boston Children's Hospital. Um, like that same day, Boston children 2:44:26.879 --> 2:44:30.120 Hospital is delis with death threats. Now the media matters 2:44:30.320 --> 2:44:33.280 goes after him, and Matt Walsh makes a bunch of 2:44:33.280 --> 2:44:36.800 tweets about how he's been context and that death threats 2:44:36.840 --> 2:44:39.200 aren't his fault. But like, you know, okay, the context 2:44:39.320 --> 2:44:41.240 is him yelling, well, somebody rid us at this battles 2:44:41.280 --> 2:44:43.480 some children's hospital over and over again. So I think 2:44:43.560 --> 2:44:47.840 Matt Walsh doth protest too much. And you know, even 2:44:47.920 --> 2:44:49.680 as this sort of like the threats mount right, like 2:44:49.800 --> 2:44:54.560 this fake story all over the conservative like ecosystem, like wildfire, 2:44:54.640 --> 2:44:56.920 like bright Burt has an article up about it, like 2:44:57.080 --> 2:45:00.280 on day one, like within a few hours is of 2:45:00.440 --> 2:45:05.120 like right check making this like fake tweet. Um. Within 2:45:05.320 --> 2:45:08.680 within a week, it's on Gateway, Daily Callers, on the Blaze, 2:45:08.720 --> 2:45:10.760 on Daily Wires, on Fox News. It's it's you know, 2:45:10.840 --> 2:45:14.640 it's hit the entire ecosystem. Um. The problem, Okay, let 2:45:14.680 --> 2:45:16.760 try a right check. Like very quickly realized this is 2:45:16.800 --> 2:45:19.160 going viral. She just keep tweeting about it, keeps treading 2:45:19.160 --> 2:45:21.280 about it, keeps treating about it. But she has this problem, 2:45:21.320 --> 2:45:25.720 which is that everything she's saying is incredibly easily demonstrable lie. 2:45:26.400 --> 2:45:29.000 And so she keeps having to like trying to yell 2:45:29.040 --> 2:45:31.320 at like fact checkers and like regular people who are 2:45:31.360 --> 2:45:34.480 going like this is just bullshit. And like like the 2:45:34.560 --> 2:45:37.680 hospital itself has to issue a statement being like, hey, 2:45:37.800 --> 2:45:40.880 we don't actually have to change their website to make 2:45:40.920 --> 2:45:43.400 it clear that seventeen year olds don't actually get the 2:45:43.400 --> 2:45:46.800 surgeries you can just get. The company has like they've 2:45:46.879 --> 2:45:50.440 never like, well, you know, and this is this is 2:45:50.480 --> 2:45:52.360 kind of a problem. For the propaganda wing, because like, 2:45:52.440 --> 2:45:55.320 try a right check is like a fucking hack. I 2:45:55.560 --> 2:45:58.280 gonna convince anyone who like isn't already convinced that like, 2:45:58.560 --> 2:46:02.880 transpeople are evil. Like you know, at this point, I 2:46:03.000 --> 2:46:07.080 think in earlier in two, I think she may have 2:46:07.440 --> 2:46:10.440 been able to crap propaganda which convinces people. At this point, 2:46:10.560 --> 2:46:15.360 it's gone so much further. Her radius is gonna is 2:46:15.360 --> 2:46:21.360 gonna is gonna severely grow in terms of people who 2:46:21.400 --> 2:46:23.480 are like you know, if someone's fine with trans people, 2:46:23.560 --> 2:46:24.920 I don't think they're gonna look at her page and 2:46:24.959 --> 2:46:29.320 suddenly be like, oh, these trans people seem like they're bad. Actually, no, 2:46:29.520 --> 2:46:31.120 she she she doesn't have She doesn't have like that. 2:46:31.200 --> 2:46:33.320 She doesn't have the sort of like advertising ability to 2:46:33.400 --> 2:46:36.320 do this. But do you know who does have the 2:46:36.360 --> 2:46:40.760 advertising ability to sell you things? Is it our lovely, 2:46:41.240 --> 2:46:47.360 our lovely and very very fans friendly sponsors, every single 2:46:47.400 --> 2:46:52.320 one of them, Chevron. Uh, what what other sponsors do 2:46:52.400 --> 2:46:58.160 we have? I have no idea watch that's right, highway 2:46:58.160 --> 2:47:00.440 patrol blue ape. Well we can't. We can't say that 2:47:02.240 --> 2:47:06.360 of a fatherly archetypal deity. That's right, all of these people, 2:47:06.879 --> 2:47:09.160 uh will love and accept you for being trends and 2:47:09.200 --> 2:47:13.199 then offer you a job at a defense contractor. Um. Anyway, 2:47:13.959 --> 2:47:21.040 you alright, so we're we're we're we're back. Uh we 2:47:21.160 --> 2:47:23.800 revealed the problem try a right check is that she's 2:47:23.840 --> 2:47:25.720 a hack and she can't convince anyone wh doesn't connects. 2:47:25.720 --> 2:47:27.960 And this is where a bunch of people who are 2:47:28.000 --> 2:47:30.040 not actually any smarter than try a right check, but 2:47:30.160 --> 2:47:34.760 like can write more fancy swinging the gear. Um, and 2:47:35.320 --> 2:47:37.400 I'm gonna walk through some of the arguments they're using 2:47:37.440 --> 2:47:40.480 so you can like even the quote unquote more research 2:47:40.560 --> 2:47:42.560 it is once you actually look at the stuff they're sighting, 2:47:42.600 --> 2:47:45.560 and these like very official looking threads. So, for example, 2:47:45.600 --> 2:47:49.200 on August seventeenth, Wesley Yang he was a hack pundit who, 2:47:49.400 --> 2:47:52.000 admittedly I must applaud him for doing more in his 2:47:52.080 --> 2:47:55.240 lifetime to combat the stereotype the eight than any other 2:47:55.320 --> 2:47:58.800 person ever born. Has um did a di did a 2:47:58.920 --> 2:48:01.440 threat attempting to defend lives of TikTok's like you know 2:48:01.600 --> 2:48:04.520 the thing about Boston Children's Hospital giving out his directomes 2:48:05.120 --> 2:48:07.320 and Okay, so it starts with him going all right, 2:48:07.320 --> 2:48:09.160 all right, so we're going gonna work for this right, 2:48:09.200 --> 2:48:15.840 He's like, okay, gender surgery. That means it means they 2:48:15.920 --> 2:48:22.880 gave like three people missectomies, right, and then under what 2:48:23.120 --> 2:48:29.040 condition apparently apparently eight they may actually have given like 2:48:29.360 --> 2:48:33.160 three people who were like seventeen missectomies, which is again 2:48:33.200 --> 2:48:34.800 not his director, this is a different thing. Okay. And 2:48:34.840 --> 2:48:38.160 and then and then he goes, well, okay, so hospital, 2:48:38.760 --> 2:48:41.000 there's hospital doc showing it they that they do do 2:48:41.120 --> 2:48:45.360 genitals or he admits that they don't. It's never happens, 2:48:47.320 --> 2:48:53.080 says they could do it, but they never had document. 2:48:53.560 --> 2:48:56.359 But I've misread and don't understand the feed a consultation 2:48:56.600 --> 2:49:00.760 and getting it a surgery clown and the who destroyed 2:49:00.800 --> 2:49:03.720 his entire brain for money in like two thousand and fifteen. 2:49:04.920 --> 2:49:08.160 I would be interested in seeing, you know, if if 2:49:08.200 --> 2:49:12.200 they're arguing that seventeen year olds cannot medically consent to surgeries, 2:49:13.560 --> 2:49:16.080 are on what seventeen year olds can consent to another 2:49:16.920 --> 2:49:20.920 another situation. There's there's two angles for that, right. There 2:49:21.040 --> 2:49:24.200 is the uh, there is what what percentage of these 2:49:24.280 --> 2:49:27.640 people like fucking Tucker Carlson have gone on a show 2:49:27.680 --> 2:49:30.920 and defended child marriage? And then there's the second question, 2:49:31.080 --> 2:49:33.280 which is okay. So if these people aren't okay, so 2:49:33.400 --> 2:49:37.600 if jenior Old is too young to quote unquote mutilate 2:49:37.640 --> 2:49:41.080 their bodies, why are you allowing people? Why are you 2:49:41.080 --> 2:49:42.560 allowing these people to be in the lead up the 2:49:42.600 --> 2:49:45.000 joining the army a place where you will in fact 2:49:45.120 --> 2:49:50.280 get actually mutilated. Also ignore the concept of circumcision. Anyway, 2:49:50.400 --> 2:49:54.080 let's you okay, Yeah, it's great, So so okay, so 2:49:54.160 --> 2:49:57.640 and and is the last thing he does. He starts 2:49:57.720 --> 2:50:00.800 ranting about other clinics who have done sectomies, so like like, 2:50:01.000 --> 2:50:03.800 let's let's take this piece. So first of all, again, 2:50:03.920 --> 2:50:08.720 no trans dude under eighteen is getting like at this hospital. 2:50:08.760 --> 2:50:12.360 It has never happened, it will never happen. Uh, there's 2:50:12.360 --> 2:50:15.240 anecdotal evidence that suggests that trans women have been able 2:50:15.280 --> 2:50:18.440 to get bottom surgeries like elsewhere when they were when 2:50:18.440 --> 2:50:21.080 they were like at like age seventeen. But but if 2:50:21.080 --> 2:50:24.000 you if you chase down the citation, the evidence for 2:50:24.080 --> 2:50:28.400 this is purely anecdotal. So there's no actual like evidence 2:50:28.480 --> 2:50:32.040 that like this happened. It's just they found They found 2:50:32.120 --> 2:50:34.080 several studies, all of which are siding with each other. 2:50:34.160 --> 2:50:36.080 And at the beginning, one starts with I heard some 2:50:36.200 --> 2:50:43.440 stories about this. This is going great on the sectomy fronts, 2:50:43.640 --> 2:50:46.640 like like okay, so like the like some there are 2:50:46.760 --> 2:50:49.520 some trans men who have gotten sectovies, like when they 2:50:49.560 --> 2:50:53.199 were technically a minor, right, but like okay, I again, 2:50:53.280 --> 2:50:55.280 depending on the age of medical consent in this day, 2:50:55.600 --> 2:50:59.879 depending on what other there's another treatment options were available 2:51:00.000 --> 2:51:04.039 after years of therapy and consultations. And also we should 2:51:04.080 --> 2:51:06.640 mention this like with actually sis sis girls get missectomies 2:51:06.680 --> 2:51:08.840 like all the time. This is like this, this is 2:51:08.920 --> 2:51:13.040 a regular procedure that like get we should explain what 2:51:13.200 --> 2:51:15.280 messectomies and its directs me off for people in just 2:51:15.480 --> 2:51:19.320 in case they're not familiar. I think, Yeah, so okay, 2:51:19.360 --> 2:51:24.160 so his directomy basically is the okay, what what was 2:51:24.200 --> 2:51:28.160 the simple sway to explaining like surgical removing of the uterus, 2:51:28.280 --> 2:51:32.560 right yeah, well yeah, yeah, it's it's it's mostly so 2:51:32.600 --> 2:51:34.200 it's this is a rouble of the uterus. There are 2:51:34.240 --> 2:51:36.040 like some versions of it where you get your overras 2:51:36.120 --> 2:51:40.640 taken out to um. Yeah yeah. Missectomy is like you're 2:51:40.640 --> 2:51:45.920 getting your breast removed or sometimes it's like size reduction stuff. Um, 2:51:46.080 --> 2:51:48.160 it's a it's a fairly common procedure. This happens like 2:51:48.200 --> 2:51:50.320 all the time. And okay, if if you look at 2:51:50.320 --> 2:51:53.320 what's happening here, right, So there's no evidence that the 2:51:53.400 --> 2:51:58.240 kids are getting his directivies. So what what Resley Yang 2:51:58.280 --> 2:52:03.000 and like who is redirect focus on gender affirming mussectomies? 2:52:03.000 --> 2:52:04.920 Because again they don't have any evidence first things happening, 2:52:05.440 --> 2:52:08.120 and then because they don't have any evidence, uh, they 2:52:08.160 --> 2:52:10.760 have to start using conspiracy logic and going like, well 2:52:10.920 --> 2:52:13.040 this other thing happens, and other people also did a 2:52:13.080 --> 2:52:17.400 completely other unrelated and this is evidence that this hospital 2:52:17.480 --> 2:52:19.360 has secretly been giving these things out even though you 2:52:19.480 --> 2:52:22.280 just said like three treats before, they've never done one 2:52:22.560 --> 2:52:26.360 and they've never actually done his director. It's incredible stuff, right, 2:52:26.440 --> 2:52:27.800 Like this guy, I need to point this out, like 2:52:27.879 --> 2:52:31.440 what Wesley Yang, Like there was a period of you 2:52:31.480 --> 2:52:33.520 get an understanding of like people people who weren't around 2:52:33.520 --> 2:52:35.320 at the dosen't tends to understand like how bad the 2:52:35.360 --> 2:52:37.400 intellectual scene was. Like there was a time where this 2:52:37.480 --> 2:52:40.480 guy was like the like the rising Asian American intellectual 2:52:40.680 --> 2:52:42.760 like star who was like supposed to be like this 2:52:42.800 --> 2:52:46.279 is this sort of like like great revolutionary like thinker 2:52:47.480 --> 2:52:50.320 of the new twenty one century, and here he is 2:52:50.360 --> 2:52:55.680 doing this bullshit because absolute goddamn clown. I hate him. Yeah, okay, 2:52:55.720 --> 2:52:57.440 so moving on to other stuff, Like but the thing 2:52:57.520 --> 2:52:59.600 is like this doesn't matter, like the fact that everything 2:52:59.600 --> 2:53:01.920 they're saying is a lie and his bullshit like doesn't 2:53:01.920 --> 2:53:05.200 matter to trans is like they need this sort of 2:53:05.280 --> 2:53:08.039 like visceral emotional pull of the sort of like their 2:53:08.120 --> 2:53:10.120 mutilating children ship. And then the other thing they need 2:53:10.320 --> 2:53:12.440 is like threads that make it look like what they're 2:53:12.440 --> 2:53:15.400 saying is true. And this is enough to get a 2:53:15.520 --> 2:53:17.400 huge part of the sort of conservative base on board, 2:53:18.000 --> 2:53:21.440 and you know, it starts to move right. The story 2:53:21.480 --> 2:53:23.720 spreads to to the Donald, which is like the re 2:53:23.840 --> 2:53:25.840 hosting of the old ar slast to Donald sub bredit 2:53:25.959 --> 2:53:28.480 that was banned for being like an absolute accessible of abuse. 2:53:29.200 --> 2:53:31.920 And they start organizing campaigns to harass people who work 2:53:31.959 --> 2:53:35.720 at this hospital, and this just gets worse. People like 2:53:36.200 --> 2:53:39.840 Steve Diese like start targeting specific doctors and calling them 2:53:39.879 --> 2:53:44.560 demonic and screaming about like Butcher's and so okay, So 2:53:44.640 --> 2:53:47.600 by the eighteenth we're on like day six or day 2:53:47.720 --> 2:53:52.840 seven of people like doing this, five of people setting 2:53:52.879 --> 2:53:56.360 death rests to a children's hospital and finally a platform 2:53:56.480 --> 2:54:00.840 does something. Uh so Facebook bands lives TikTok for one 2:54:00.920 --> 2:54:10.400 day and then it worked, you know, Okay, but they 2:54:10.520 --> 2:54:12.800 use that time to reflect, right and to think about 2:54:12.840 --> 2:54:15.960 what they do. Yeah. Yeah, and there there change was 2:54:16.040 --> 2:54:19.440 we need to post more about this, and so you know, 2:54:19.480 --> 2:54:21.800 we should be like, like the social media companies are 2:54:21.840 --> 2:54:25.440 never actually gonna talk because louser TikTok, especially with Twitter. 2:54:25.800 --> 2:54:27.480 TikTok is good for Twitter in the same way that 2:54:27.520 --> 2:54:30.600 Trump was, like, you know, like its presence. It brings 2:54:30.640 --> 2:54:34.000 traffic generation, they generate conflict, which is the entire purpose 2:54:34.040 --> 2:54:38.040 of the Twitter algorithm. They drive like advertising revenue. They 2:54:38.120 --> 2:54:41.040 got a lot of engagement. There's no reason to ban them. Yeah, 2:54:41.160 --> 2:54:43.080 and like and with Twitter especially like they like with 2:54:43.200 --> 2:54:45.480 Trump gone right, they had to they had to ban 2:54:45.560 --> 2:54:47.880 Trump for political reasons because you know, tried to overthrow 2:54:47.920 --> 2:54:50.920 the government. But like you know what Trump gone, Like Twitter, 2:54:51.040 --> 2:54:55.840 Twitter is like just a declining like social media as 2:54:55.879 --> 2:55:01.200 sure is. And you know, so I I watched I 2:55:01.320 --> 2:55:06.359 watched Donald trump pizza Hut commercial yesterday, and I forgot 2:55:06.480 --> 2:55:10.800 how funny Donald Trump was. Like he's as long as 2:55:10.840 --> 2:55:13.640 he's plagued the character of Donald Trump. He's actually really 2:55:13.760 --> 2:55:17.000 funny that I that I remembered all the fashions and 2:55:17.080 --> 2:55:22.000 parts and then else anyway, Yeah yeah, but like you know, okay, 2:55:22.040 --> 2:55:25.200 so yeah, okay, So like they the way the sort 2:55:25.240 --> 2:55:26.640 of thing works, right is that they get all these 2:55:26.720 --> 2:55:28.800 users and engagement from the right, starting like a campaign 2:55:28.840 --> 2:55:31.120 against the children's hospital. Then they get engaged with from 2:55:31.120 --> 2:55:32.920 the left going after them. They make money no matter 2:55:32.959 --> 2:55:35.400 who wins, and like you know, sometimes they'll band like 2:55:35.520 --> 2:55:39.960 Trump right because you know, or the dow temper of 2:55:40.080 --> 2:55:41.840 right wing people, because that that gives you like good 2:55:41.879 --> 2:55:44.240 liberal media attention. And then you know, and that that 2:55:44.400 --> 2:55:46.600 that that that gives time for a cycle to sort 2:55:46.600 --> 2:55:49.039 of build up for the conservatives to all talk about 2:55:49.040 --> 2:55:50.800 how they're being censored, and then when they returned to 2:55:50.840 --> 2:55:52.680 the platform, they do their whole eye was censored arc 2:55:53.120 --> 2:55:59.320 like we've seen there's Jordan's fifteen times. So with the 2:55:59.360 --> 2:56:04.359 loser ticktow on, they August they start targeting another children's 2:56:04.400 --> 2:56:07.760 hospital and this this is time. It was a Children's 2:56:07.800 --> 2:56:10.080 National Hospital in Washington, d C. Which is like DCS 2:56:11.120 --> 2:56:14.240 by far largest and most important children's hospital and they 2:56:14.320 --> 2:56:17.000 bring they bring their website down, like the same stuff 2:56:17.080 --> 2:56:20.680 is happening, and Twitter finally locks Lives of TikTok off 2:56:20.720 --> 2:56:24.320 of their account for a week. Um partially what's happening 2:56:24.360 --> 2:56:28.360 here was like there's pressure by friends, guess Alejandra klar Baio, 2:56:28.440 --> 2:56:30.080 who's been doing like a lot of great work like 2:56:30.160 --> 2:56:34.360 documenting and like documenting what lives tum be doing and 2:56:34.400 --> 2:56:37.640 like sparring with them and try a right check like 2:56:37.800 --> 2:56:40.720 keeps miss gendering her because China is a fucking enormous 2:56:40.720 --> 2:56:43.280 piece of ships who should be flushed down the ship 2:56:43.360 --> 2:56:48.360 belongs unfortunately, Like well, okay, so so some of the 2:56:48.640 --> 2:56:51.280 some of the like dozens of tweets that that I 2:56:52.200 --> 2:56:54.320 lives talk made about children's hospitals and take it down. 2:56:54.320 --> 2:56:56.720 A lot of them are still up and you know, 2:56:56.920 --> 2:57:00.240 probably was gonna right still band off Twitter, But like, 2:57:00.320 --> 2:57:01.720 you know what's gonna happen is there's gonna be like 2:57:01.720 --> 2:57:03.840 a wave of like good glberal media press, and then 2:57:03.920 --> 2:57:05.640 there's going to be the next wave of the conservative 2:57:05.640 --> 2:57:08.480 outrage over censorship and cancel culture stuff, and then she'll 2:57:08.520 --> 2:57:11.600 be back in a subject post a right chick said 2:57:11.680 --> 2:57:15.320 quote Now more than ever, I need your support. Consider 2:57:15.480 --> 2:57:18.160 becoming a paid subscriber so I can continue this important 2:57:18.240 --> 2:57:21.400 work when I get banned permanently. It's only a matter 2:57:21.480 --> 2:57:23.680 of time. All need your help to keep the light 2:57:23.720 --> 2:57:26.240 song so I can continue telling the truth. They can't 2:57:26.320 --> 2:57:31.040 cancel me if you don't let them, because there it 2:57:31.240 --> 2:57:35.120 is begins. Yeah, I mean, like I kind of says enough, 2:57:35.160 --> 2:57:37.360 like this has all always been a grift, Like this 2:57:37.520 --> 2:57:41.119 is like her fourth attempt. She's been trying her fourth attempt. Yeah, 2:57:41.360 --> 2:57:44.320 like she's been trying to become a vital Twitter personality 2:57:44.480 --> 2:57:48.800 for years. She gets found the one. She finally found 2:57:48.879 --> 2:57:53.920 something that worked, and that's uh baiting conservatives into being 2:57:53.959 --> 2:57:57.920 mad at her, yeah, giving them like some kind of 2:57:58.080 --> 2:58:01.840 excuse for being mad at trans people, right, Like yeah, 2:58:01.920 --> 2:58:07.000 it's like a self self validation thing. Yeah, specific specific 2:58:07.000 --> 2:58:11.600 and specific targets too, and like yeah, I mentioned this, 2:58:11.680 --> 2:58:14.280 like okay, like right check like is an actual human 2:58:14.320 --> 2:58:16.440 piece of ship. Like her ideology is bad, but like 2:58:16.640 --> 2:58:19.320 it is the stuff that she's doing is mostly about money, 2:58:19.360 --> 2:58:22.000 and this is true of like the entire ecosystem, right, 2:58:22.040 --> 2:58:24.480 like all of the conservative outlets is why, like Matt 2:58:24.640 --> 2:58:27.760 Walsh and is like like all of these people spent 2:58:27.879 --> 2:58:30.200 all of their time staring at metrics and looking at 2:58:30.200 --> 2:58:34.680 their fucking viewer data looking at the anti trans. The 2:58:34.720 --> 2:58:40.440 anti trans documentary is paywalled behind plus the hit new 2:58:43.040 --> 2:58:45.080 Like it's like it's funny because like all of these 2:58:45.080 --> 2:58:49.519 people like ran constantly and there's there's there's like increasingly 2:58:49.560 --> 2:58:52.599 anti semitic versions of it about how like the TRANSACTISI, 2:58:52.720 --> 2:58:55.520 the trans lobby or like funded by billionaires, Like every 2:58:55.680 --> 2:59:01.640 single of these people paid by fucking sorryes presumably well 2:59:02.120 --> 2:59:05.279 all all supposedly we're all getting paid by by George Sorrows. 2:59:05.800 --> 2:59:08.320 In reality, it's it's the rights all getting paid by 2:59:08.760 --> 2:59:13.000 what my black other guy's name, the fucking Fox guy. Teal, No, 2:59:14.400 --> 2:59:20.240 they are, they're now getting paid but the guy guy, 2:59:20.920 --> 2:59:26.520 uh no, the yeah, they're they're they're also all getting 2:59:26.560 --> 2:59:29.760 paid by just like the rabid base of like yeah, 2:59:30.160 --> 2:59:32.240 dealerships just think they're working class because they have a 2:59:32.280 --> 2:59:38.360 four enet and like, yeah, it sucks so true. They're 2:59:38.360 --> 2:59:43.720 about nine hundred thousand subscribers to this daily were Daily 2:59:43.760 --> 2:59:46.600 Wire plus the hit new streaming service. That's correctly, that's 2:59:46.600 --> 2:59:48.840 why it's a hit. Then they give me such a 2:59:48.959 --> 2:59:51.760 catchy name. But yeah, that's a ship ton of money 2:59:51.840 --> 2:59:56.640 for someone, right, pumping out hate getting Gina Curiso to 2:59:56.680 --> 3:00:03.720 make crappy films. That's right. Yeah, that an amazing career. Yeah, 3:00:03.800 --> 3:00:08.280 she went from and Pooled to Star Wars to Ben Shapiro, 3:00:08.600 --> 3:00:12.800 just gonna have her own Star Wars show on the prairie. 3:00:13.480 --> 3:00:18.680 It's amazing. Fucking countr bidy like that, that's the god. Like, Oh, 3:00:19.080 --> 3:00:24.200 the Hunter Biden trailer. Yeah, there's this trailer for a 3:00:24.360 --> 3:00:27.320 film that I forget Who's I forget, who's Who's um 3:00:27.760 --> 3:00:31.760 making this one? Um? But it's it's a film about 3:00:32.040 --> 3:00:35.800 all of Hunter Biden scandals and Gina, Gina is in 3:00:35.879 --> 3:00:41.360 it and Tyler. It looks like if this was directed 3:00:41.400 --> 3:00:44.240 by a smart person, this could be an amazing comedy 3:00:44.680 --> 3:00:47.760 like this, like the way the everything about it is 3:00:47.879 --> 3:00:51.440 so innately comedic, yet they're playing it as a political scandal. 3:00:51.879 --> 3:00:55.240 But no, it's just And if it was, if it 3:00:55.320 --> 3:00:57.800 was directed by somebody with any competency, they would have 3:00:57.840 --> 3:01:00.879 recognized it's a comedy film and it would be hilarious 3:01:00.959 --> 3:01:03.920 to watch. But instead it's going to be boring because look, 3:01:04.160 --> 3:01:06.880 conservatives are getting good at comedy left is worried. The 3:01:07.000 --> 3:01:12.520 left is getting very scared like the other the moments 3:01:12.640 --> 3:01:15.680 I knew that Glenn Greenwald had like like he wasn't 3:01:15.760 --> 3:01:18.520 just purely grifting, had like actually falling down the rabbit 3:01:18.560 --> 3:01:21.160 hole was what he spent like fucking like two years 3:01:21.240 --> 3:01:23.959 pretending that literally anyone on earth gave a shit about Hunter. 3:01:24.080 --> 3:01:28.840 Biden's also here here. Yeah, he's been simping for for 3:01:28.959 --> 3:01:33.879 limps of TikTok. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. This is all 3:01:34.160 --> 3:01:37.880 all leading up to his uh, incredibly hardball interview with 3:01:37.920 --> 3:01:46.120 Alex Jones. Great, great, incredible journalism. Just god, I love 3:01:46.200 --> 3:01:50.480 it here, so it all sucks and the other like 3:01:50.600 --> 3:01:52.560 the other big problem here, Right, It's like okay, on 3:01:52.560 --> 3:01:53.760 the one hand, like all these people are just doing 3:01:53.800 --> 3:01:55.720 this to make money. But the problem is that and 3:01:55.920 --> 3:01:57.920 I kind of emphasize this enough, it is easier to 3:01:58.000 --> 3:02:00.680 get the material brom and it needs to get gender 3:02:00.720 --> 3:02:03.480 affirming surgery. And this is a real fucking issue because 3:02:03.520 --> 3:02:05.039 it turns out when you convince a bunch of people 3:02:05.080 --> 3:02:07.840 that children's hospitals and mutilating children, what happens? Oh wait, 3:02:07.920 --> 3:02:09.600 hold on, I don't even need to go back to 3:02:09.640 --> 3:02:12.080 the anti abortion terrorism, the people bring down abortion clinics 3:02:12.120 --> 3:02:14.200 and murdering healthcare workers. I could just talk about the 3:02:14.240 --> 3:02:18.160 reaction to uh. Like almost immediately after the lockdown started, 3:02:18.200 --> 3:02:20.000 a guy tried to buy a bond to blow up 3:02:20.000 --> 3:02:21.920 a children's hospital and was killed in the shootout with 3:02:21.959 --> 3:02:24.800 the FBI. He was killed like a week maybe like 3:02:24.840 --> 3:02:26.600 a week and a half before. Another guy tried to 3:02:26.720 --> 3:02:30.840 derail a train to Rammay Navy medical ship. M hm. 3:02:31.400 --> 3:02:34.039 There was also the Staddy lady, the lady who tried 3:02:34.040 --> 3:02:37.000 to shake all the knives on board the hospital ship. Yeah, 3:02:38.080 --> 3:02:41.520 like it's just like okay, like if they're allowed to 3:02:41.600 --> 3:02:43.520 keep doing this ship, like, people are going to die. 3:02:44.000 --> 3:02:45.480 And this isn't to say like they can't be beat, 3:02:45.600 --> 3:02:48.960 especially I r L with first of these people in 3:02:49.120 --> 3:02:53.160 total are actually pretty small because like the number of 3:02:53.200 --> 3:02:56.440 people who actually rapidly care about this stuff is like 3:02:56.800 --> 3:03:00.360 a vanishing lea small minority of the US. And you know, 3:03:00.560 --> 3:03:02.560 and and I r L. That works for us because 3:03:03.680 --> 3:03:06.560 these people suck. Everyone hates them. Communities will come out 3:03:06.600 --> 3:03:08.600 to like to try to communities will come out to 3:03:08.720 --> 3:03:11.240 confront and defeat them. But this is you know that 3:03:11.360 --> 3:03:13.720 this is the this is the ecosystem, the media ecosystem 3:03:13.720 --> 3:03:15.760 of the modern right. It works like spreading conspiracy theories 3:03:15.760 --> 3:03:17.480 and citing mobs and then claiming they're being the censor 3:03:17.560 --> 3:03:20.320 when everyone tries to stop them, like in two to 3:03:20.400 --> 3:03:22.080 three weeks, when they found another one of these things. 3:03:22.120 --> 3:03:24.760 I don't know, it will be like fucking like transgender 3:03:24.920 --> 3:03:28.640 clowns are working make a wish foundation or something like 3:03:28.959 --> 3:03:32.000 we're gonna be talking about another instance, another instance like 3:03:32.160 --> 3:03:37.720 this in tomorrow's episode. Um, it's great, it's it's good. 3:03:38.120 --> 3:03:42.520 It's not good at all. That is bad. Yeah. Yeah, 3:03:42.920 --> 3:03:44.880 if you do want to be mad about force historict 3:03:46.480 --> 3:03:50.840 uh that immigration services force historicts means on people in 3:03:50.920 --> 3:03:53.920 their custody, it's a good thing to be mad about. Yeah, 3:03:54.440 --> 3:03:57.320 it's it's it's a good time on that we have 3:03:57.560 --> 3:04:14.480 here on this earth. Yeahs. Warning for some pretty intense 3:04:14.560 --> 3:04:21.960 transphobia and miss gender ing. Eighty year old Julie Jaman 3:04:22.800 --> 3:04:25.960 was permanently banned from her local y m c A 3:04:26.080 --> 3:04:30.640 after demanding that a transgender worker leave the women's locker room. 3:04:30.720 --> 3:04:33.040 Jaman said that she was trying to protect little girls 3:04:33.080 --> 3:04:36.920 from a biological man and a women's swimsuit who was 3:04:37.040 --> 3:04:41.320 watching them undressed? So this week a few dozen people 3:04:41.480 --> 3:04:43.640 joined Jaman to protest the y m c A. Some 3:04:43.680 --> 3:04:47.400 of the protesters, including her, were assaulted by lunatics men 3:04:47.600 --> 3:04:51.240 dressed as women. Okay, first of all, that granny rocks. 3:04:51.320 --> 3:04:54.400 But when pressed Poor Towns in Washington police said that 3:04:54.560 --> 3:04:58.240 Mr Mrs Jayman had an emotional response to a strange 3:04:58.360 --> 3:05:00.520 male being in the bathroom and how helping a young 3:05:00.560 --> 3:05:04.039 girl take off her bathing suit. Well, I should hope 3:05:04.080 --> 3:05:08.400 the response to that would be emotional. Yeah, because this, 3:05:08.680 --> 3:05:11.480 you know, you can just picture this kind of situation 3:05:11.560 --> 3:05:16.080 where they're grooming little kids, uh, completely inappropriately, and you're 3:05:16.160 --> 3:05:18.120 you're you're doing the thing that a lot of people 3:05:18.440 --> 3:05:21.000 want you to do and that a lot of people 3:05:21.080 --> 3:05:24.680 watching would But I hope everybody is aware that this, 3:05:25.480 --> 3:05:29.400 from what I understand, is pretty wonderful profit for big 3:05:29.480 --> 3:05:33.920 pharma and medical systems. It's and what's happening to children 3:05:34.320 --> 3:05:41.080 becomes even more disastrous. And you were protecting the kids. 3:05:41.440 --> 3:05:44.480 You were protecting the kids. I mean, they should have 3:05:44.600 --> 3:05:48.240 a responsibility to do that. The Young Men's Christians Association 3:05:48.840 --> 3:05:52.040 UH should be doing that themselves if they were playing 3:05:52.080 --> 3:05:58.720 any role in this whatsoever. It's pretty frightening. This is 3:05:58.920 --> 3:06:02.560 it could happen. He Yer. I'm Garrison, and today we're 3:06:02.600 --> 3:06:06.760 talking about a recent flare up of anti trans hate 3:06:07.240 --> 3:06:11.400 and the anti trans protests and campaigning that's engulfed a 3:06:11.560 --> 3:06:15.920 small town in northern Washington in what conservatives describe as 3:06:16.040 --> 3:06:21.120 the culture war front. The past month, for right media 3:06:21.200 --> 3:06:26.360 personalities and anti trans so called feminists have partnered together 3:06:26.480 --> 3:06:30.520 to create an international nexus point for the increasing attacks 3:06:30.720 --> 3:06:35.120 on trans and queer people, resulting in a wave of harassment, 3:06:35.440 --> 3:06:40.360 death threats, and rallies, including an upcoming anti trans rally 3:06:40.480 --> 3:06:43.560 in association with the Proud Boys and Three per Centers 3:06:44.120 --> 3:06:49.640 slated for Saturday, September three. Port Townsend is a small 3:06:49.720 --> 3:06:53.480 city of just around ten thousand people located on the 3:06:53.560 --> 3:06:58.640 Olympic Peninsula in Washington State, just north of Seattle. The 3:06:58.720 --> 3:07:02.480 city has a geographic footprint of just under ten square miles. 3:07:03.080 --> 3:07:06.840 Over the course of the past month, the quaint beachside 3:07:06.879 --> 3:07:10.600 city has become the focus of a disinformation campaign against 3:07:10.680 --> 3:07:16.320 trans people and transgender inclusivity. But unless you frequent right 3:07:16.360 --> 3:07:20.040 wing news outlets, you probably haven't heard anything about this story, 3:07:20.440 --> 3:07:23.959 let alone are aware of the massive amount of harassment 3:07:24.120 --> 3:07:28.199 and death threats being targeted at trans people and their allies. 3:07:29.080 --> 3:07:32.920 Anti trans and far right activists have already descended on 3:07:33.120 --> 3:07:36.119 this small city from all around the country and plan 3:07:36.240 --> 3:07:40.080 to do so again on September three, with Proud Boys 3:07:40.200 --> 3:07:44.240 and three per Centers promising to show up. So what 3:07:44.400 --> 3:07:48.280 actually happened that escalated things to this point? On July 3:07:49.520 --> 3:07:53.200 and eighty year old woman named Julie Jammin was in 3:07:53.280 --> 3:07:57.320 a pool locker room and began verbally harassing a trans 3:07:57.400 --> 3:08:00.440 woman who was on the job as an employer of 3:08:00.600 --> 3:08:04.800 the Olympic Peninsula y m c A. Julie Gemmen asked 3:08:04.959 --> 3:08:08.800 invasive questions about her genitals and later accused her of 3:08:08.879 --> 3:08:14.480 engaging in inappropriate conduct while continuously mis gendering this employee. 3:08:15.680 --> 3:08:18.960 Both the employee and y m c A officials, and 3:08:19.240 --> 3:08:23.240 like everyone else present in the locker room, have disputed 3:08:23.520 --> 3:08:27.960 Julie's highly publicized version of events, which we'll get into 3:08:28.080 --> 3:08:30.879 in a bit, but first we're going to hear from 3:08:31.160 --> 3:08:34.680 the original target of the harassment. A few days ago, 3:08:34.840 --> 3:08:38.440 I was able to talk with Clementine, young trans woman 3:08:38.560 --> 3:08:41.720 about what happened to her near the end of July 3:08:42.000 --> 3:08:45.480 while working at the y m c A. It was 3:08:45.680 --> 3:08:49.360 a pretty normal day that week. We were doing uh 3:08:51.320 --> 3:08:58.200 swimming with the kids. UH and man the other childcare 3:08:58.320 --> 3:09:02.720 workers you know, use the locker rooms kind of as expected, 3:09:02.920 --> 3:09:06.920 and I was using the woman's locker room just because 3:09:07.000 --> 3:09:11.119 you know, that works for me, um, and that lines 3:09:11.200 --> 3:09:14.440 up with how I feel. We went through all that 3:09:14.720 --> 3:09:17.280 no problems. We got the kids, the kids got changed 3:09:17.440 --> 3:09:19.840 and their stalls, and then once we were out in 3:09:19.920 --> 3:09:23.120 the pool, one of the kids needed to use the 3:09:23.240 --> 3:09:27.879 locker room bathroom, so I took that kid and another 3:09:27.959 --> 3:09:30.400 kid into the locker room in accordance with the wise 3:09:31.520 --> 3:09:36.160 rule of three system. To clarify, at the y m 3:09:36.240 --> 3:09:39.160 c A, there is a quote rule of three where 3:09:39.320 --> 3:09:42.440 staff always accompany children in a group of three, so 3:09:42.560 --> 3:09:45.000 that a staff person is never alone with a child 3:09:45.160 --> 3:09:48.879 and children are never alone with each other. As Clementine 3:09:49.000 --> 3:09:52.400 was standing with a kid outside the restroom stall, waiting 3:09:52.440 --> 3:09:55.199 on the other kid who was using the bathroom, Julie 3:09:55.200 --> 3:09:59.400 Germmond was showering nearby in a curtained off stall across 3:09:59.520 --> 3:10:03.199 the locker room. I was waiting outside of the bathroom 3:10:03.280 --> 3:10:06.560 stall with the kid being the buddy making small talk. 3:10:07.360 --> 3:10:13.240 When Julie Jaman initiated the dialogue by asking if I 3:10:13.480 --> 3:10:20.960 was a member of the lgbt Q plus community. I responded, yes, 3:10:21.720 --> 3:10:28.240 I'm trans And she asked me if I had a penis, 3:10:29.520 --> 3:10:34.240 and it kind of caught me off guard. Um, and 3:10:34.320 --> 3:10:36.800 I and I told her that, you know, that's none 3:10:36.840 --> 3:10:41.080 of your business. Um, Julie asserted that I needed to 3:10:41.200 --> 3:10:44.120 leave and that I can't be there. And then in 3:10:44.280 --> 3:10:49.840 response to her assertion, I just shook my head. Now, Um, 3:10:49.920 --> 3:10:54.440 I couldn't really leave or I'd be leaving the kids unattended. 3:10:55.080 --> 3:10:59.720 And you know, I was backed into a corner the kid. 3:11:00.400 --> 3:11:06.119 At some point, UM, the kid using the bathroom exited 3:11:06.160 --> 3:11:10.800 the stall and had her swimming. Her bathing suit like 3:11:11.080 --> 3:11:14.760 wasn't fully pulled up, and she asked me for help, 3:11:14.959 --> 3:11:17.800 and so I assisted her by pulling it up by 3:11:17.840 --> 3:11:21.840 its straps. And you know, there were other patrons present 3:11:21.920 --> 3:11:25.280 in the locker room at this time. And at some 3:11:25.440 --> 3:11:29.480 point around the girl coming out and meeting her straps 3:11:29.560 --> 3:11:36.240 pulled up, Julie was back in her shower stall. And 3:11:36.320 --> 3:11:40.040 then around this time two more kids entered the locker room. 3:11:40.080 --> 3:11:44.600 It might be good to mention I have prescribed glasses. Um, 3:11:44.840 --> 3:11:48.720 I wasn't wearing my glasses and I couldn't see anything, 3:11:49.879 --> 3:11:53.200 which is kind of terrifying because you know, it was 3:11:53.480 --> 3:11:55.520 like a shot in the dark, like I just heard 3:11:55.520 --> 3:11:58.440 a voice and I had to search around before I 3:11:58.520 --> 3:12:02.040 figured out who was talking to me. But anyways, uh, 3:12:02.959 --> 3:12:05.840 the kids. Two more kids came into the locker room 3:12:07.000 --> 3:12:11.360 and they overheard Julie shouting at me and asked me 3:12:11.560 --> 3:12:14.080 what was going on, and like they had this concerned 3:12:14.120 --> 3:12:17.240 look on their face, and I just kind of told 3:12:17.280 --> 3:12:20.039 them to leave because I didn't want them to get involved. 3:12:20.680 --> 3:12:24.000 The kids went to the pool manager, Rowan, and asked 3:12:24.040 --> 3:12:28.360 for help with the escalating situation. They went straight to 3:12:28.480 --> 3:12:31.640 her and asked her to come help and told her 3:12:31.760 --> 3:12:36.320 that someone was yelling at me. And moments later, Rowan entered, 3:12:37.160 --> 3:12:40.800 and as she walked by, I got her attention and 3:12:40.879 --> 3:12:44.920 I told her, you know, there's an older lady yelling 3:12:45.000 --> 3:12:48.360 at me to leave right now. Uh, And I pointed 3:12:48.520 --> 3:12:52.760 at the shower stall that Julie was using. Roan kind 3:12:52.800 --> 3:12:57.440 of like posted up and Rowan stood in between me, 3:12:57.640 --> 3:13:00.920 the kids, and Julie and waited for her to come out. 3:13:02.080 --> 3:13:05.640 And then Julie you know, poked her head back out 3:13:05.840 --> 3:13:11.600 and said get out, you're a man. Um and Rowan 3:13:11.800 --> 3:13:15.320 you know, intervened when she sort of like popped back 3:13:15.400 --> 3:13:19.320 out and said, no, actually you need to leave because 3:13:19.440 --> 3:13:23.080 right now you're discriminating and kind of being a bigot. 3:13:23.800 --> 3:13:26.840 So it's actually that you need it's actually you that 3:13:26.959 --> 3:13:30.600 needs to leave right now. And Julie told Rowan she 3:13:30.879 --> 3:13:34.600 was confused about gender. And then Julie pointed at me 3:13:34.840 --> 3:13:37.600 and said, he has a fucking penis. He has no 3:13:37.800 --> 3:13:40.960 business being around little girls. He has a penis, and 3:13:41.160 --> 3:13:46.760 he could rape someone. And after that, Rowan uh sort 3:13:46.800 --> 3:13:50.040 of ushered me and the girls out of the locker 3:13:50.120 --> 3:13:53.080 room and uh told me to go to her office, 3:13:53.360 --> 3:13:56.600 and then the other staff members found me and helped me. 3:13:57.920 --> 3:14:00.160 UM and Rowan stood outside the lobby side of the 3:14:00.240 --> 3:14:06.160 office when I was in there, and UM, I guess like, yeah, 3:14:06.200 --> 3:14:08.800 after the police have been called, Julie came out and 3:14:08.920 --> 3:14:14.560 engaged with her, uh, and they were yelling. But I 3:14:14.680 --> 3:14:18.360 kind oft hear what was going on, and I mean 3:14:18.480 --> 3:14:21.000 that's kind of the end of it. I know that 3:14:21.120 --> 3:14:25.400 Julie left after that, and I just kind of checked 3:14:25.400 --> 3:14:30.039 out for an hour two. It shocked me. I haven't 3:14:30.080 --> 3:14:34.280 had someone do that to me before. I've never been 3:14:34.520 --> 3:14:39.320 talked to in a bathroom or locker room before, especially 3:14:39.480 --> 3:14:42.359 in that way. The y m c A pool manager 3:14:42.560 --> 3:14:46.279 told Julie Gemmen that she needed to leave and suspended 3:14:46.320 --> 3:14:50.480 her membership for violating the Wise Code of Conduct, which 3:14:50.600 --> 3:14:56.760 prohibits quote discrimination, hatred, derogatory or unwelcome comments, intimidation, conduct 3:14:56.879 --> 3:15:03.800 or actions based on an individual's sex, race, ethnicity, age, religion, disability, 3:15:03.920 --> 3:15:08.840 sexual orientation, or any other legally protected status unquote, as 3:15:08.920 --> 3:15:12.199 well as having no tolerance for disrespectful words or gestures 3:15:12.280 --> 3:15:15.360 towards y m c A staff or others. Part of 3:15:15.440 --> 3:15:18.240 an official statement released by the Olympic Peninsula y m 3:15:18.360 --> 3:15:22.080 c A, published as the incident in question was growing 3:15:22.200 --> 3:15:27.320 into a much broader anti transspectacle, clarified that Julie has 3:15:27.400 --> 3:15:31.480 had quote several incidents where she has repeatedly violated the 3:15:31.560 --> 3:15:36.040 Wise Code of Conduct, specifically using disrespectful words or gestures 3:15:36.120 --> 3:15:38.960 towards y m c A staff or others, and abusive, 3:15:39.160 --> 3:15:43.120 harassing and or obscene language or gestures towards y m 3:15:43.200 --> 3:15:47.199 c A staff or others. The Aquatics manager then informed 3:15:47.320 --> 3:15:51.560 the patron that she was permanently suspended from Mountain View 3:15:51.640 --> 3:15:56.560 Pool and all Olympic Peninsula y m c A facilities unquote. 3:15:57.280 --> 3:16:01.320 After Julie was banned from the pool on Monday August one, 3:16:01.760 --> 3:16:05.880 she started showing up outside the facility with anti trains 3:16:06.080 --> 3:16:09.280 signs and led a small group of people into a 3:16:09.400 --> 3:16:13.160 city council meeting, resulting in an hour of public comment 3:16:13.400 --> 3:16:17.640 logged about the incident. Here is some of the statement 3:16:17.879 --> 3:16:21.640 Julie read in the city council meeting, which also gives 3:16:21.720 --> 3:16:24.920 a look at her version of events at this time. 3:16:25.360 --> 3:16:27.440 Personal podium, state your name and where you live for 3:16:27.480 --> 3:16:34.440 the record, Peninsula, and I'm here because I had an 3:16:34.480 --> 3:16:37.040 experience that you need to know. I have sent it 3:16:37.160 --> 3:16:40.360 to you all in detail. In an effort by the 3:16:40.480 --> 3:16:42.560 city and the y m c A to apply the 3:16:42.680 --> 3:16:48.080 neocultural gender rules at Mountain Viewpool dressing shower room facilities, 3:16:48.400 --> 3:16:52.519 women and children are being put at risk. My experience 3:16:52.640 --> 3:16:55.640 while showering after my swim was hearing a man's voice 3:16:55.720 --> 3:16:58.600 in the women's dressing area and seeing a man in 3:16:58.640 --> 3:17:02.760 a women's swims watching little girls pull down their bathing 3:17:02.800 --> 3:17:05.800 suits in order to use the toilets in the dressing room. 3:17:06.680 --> 3:17:10.119 I reacted by telling him to leave, and the consequence 3:17:10.280 --> 3:17:14.800 is that I have been banned from the pool. There 3:17:14.920 --> 3:17:18.400 is no signage informing women the shower room is now 3:17:18.520 --> 3:17:22.160 all gender and what that means. Nor have parents been 3:17:22.240 --> 3:17:25.840 informed of what they can expect with these news policies. 3:17:26.840 --> 3:17:31.359 The why has not provided any dressing shower room options 3:17:31.400 --> 3:17:33.880 for women who do not want to be exposed to 3:17:34.000 --> 3:17:37.400 men who identify as women. The y m c A, 3:17:37.800 --> 3:17:41.920 the city, the police and sheriff's, the parents, the professionals 3:17:41.959 --> 3:17:47.000 who assist victims of royalism, peeping tom's, pedophilia, and assault 3:17:47.680 --> 3:17:49.959 need to come together to figure out how to make 3:17:50.360 --> 3:17:54.160 the new policies work for all pool patrons, not just 3:17:54.440 --> 3:17:58.119 one group. How to keep children who are less able 3:17:58.160 --> 3:18:03.840 to discriminate safe. It is ironic that women who discriminate 3:18:04.040 --> 3:18:07.680 when a situation threatens their safety or their children a 3:18:07.800 --> 3:18:12.760 message from our ancestors are now accused of discrimination, as 3:18:12.800 --> 3:18:17.560 if they have made someone else a victim. We need 3:18:17.640 --> 3:18:21.080 to do much more intelligent and wise about applying the 3:18:21.240 --> 3:18:27.760 rules and developing policies that are respectful and inclusive. Thank you, 3:18:28.879 --> 3:18:38.880 thank you, thank you, so just a few notes about 3:18:39.000 --> 3:18:44.360 that trans inclusivity at the Y is not some new policy. 3:18:45.240 --> 3:18:49.400 For years, it's been literally Washington State law that people 3:18:49.480 --> 3:18:52.720 have the right to access the locker rooms, changing rooms, 3:18:53.200 --> 3:18:56.800 and bathrooms that align with their gender identity. This has 3:18:56.879 --> 3:19:01.879 been the case since the law states, quote, entities shall 3:19:01.959 --> 3:19:06.640 allow individuals to use the gender segreted facilities such as westrooms, 3:19:07.000 --> 3:19:10.800 locker rooms, dressing rooms, and homeless or emergency shelters that 3:19:10.920 --> 3:19:15.680 are consistent with that individual's gender expression or gender identity unquote. 3:19:16.080 --> 3:19:20.560 And regarding Julie's account of the incident, there have been 3:19:20.840 --> 3:19:24.560 no complaints from children or parents who are using the pool, 3:19:25.160 --> 3:19:29.240 and multiple accounts conflict with Julie's telling of the story, 3:19:30.040 --> 3:19:34.400 as the employee never did help anyone undress, nor was 3:19:34.600 --> 3:19:39.800 watching anyone change. Throughout this city council meeting, there were 3:19:40.000 --> 3:19:44.000 several public comments in support of trans rights that pushed 3:19:44.000 --> 3:19:48.040 back on Julie's outrageous claims and called out the overall 3:19:48.160 --> 3:19:53.720 trend of miss gendering and the groomer style transphobia. At 3:19:53.760 --> 3:19:56.520 the end of the meeting, city officials themselves took a 3:19:56.600 --> 3:19:59.880 stand against the transphobic rhetoric that was present throughout the 3:20:00.120 --> 3:20:04.400 hour of public comments. Oddly enough, for this show, one 3:20:04.440 --> 3:20:07.879 of the people I interviewed for this episode serves as 3:20:08.000 --> 3:20:14.040 a Port Townsend City councilwoman. Right. Um, my name's Lebby Winstrom. Um. 3:20:14.360 --> 3:20:17.320 I'm an elected city councilor for the City of Port Townsend, 3:20:17.840 --> 3:20:21.680 and I'm speaking today on as myself rather than as 3:20:21.720 --> 3:20:23.960 a representative of the city or a representative of the 3:20:24.000 --> 3:20:27.200 city council as a whole. When did you first kind 3:20:27.200 --> 3:20:30.720 of hear about this thing that's now ballooned into this 3:20:30.920 --> 3:20:32.959 larger issue with people coming in from out of state 3:20:33.080 --> 3:20:35.480 to do protests and all this kind of stuff. I 3:20:35.680 --> 3:20:39.920 think I first heard about it on Sunday night, which 3:20:39.920 --> 3:20:42.920 would have been I guess the thirty one July, and 3:20:43.000 --> 3:20:46.200 I heard about it from the y m c A 3:20:46.520 --> 3:20:51.360 Aquatics director Rowan mackins Um, and it was more in 3:20:51.440 --> 3:20:53.160 the tone of kind of a heads up that this 3:20:53.320 --> 3:20:55.640 was a thing that was going on. And then I 3:20:55.760 --> 3:20:58.320 heard a lot more about it the next day, which 3:20:58.400 --> 3:21:03.000 was Monday, the first of August um, when uh Julia 3:21:03.040 --> 3:21:05.160 Jaman showed up at the pool with a whole group 3:21:05.200 --> 3:21:08.320 of people doing a protest that they were picketing at 3:21:08.360 --> 3:21:13.840 the pool, and she also submitted a public comment to 3:21:14.000 --> 3:21:16.000 the City council meeting that night. And at that point 3:21:16.040 --> 3:21:18.360 I realized that a group of people, including Julie, was 3:21:18.440 --> 3:21:21.000 probably going to plan on attending the City council meeting. 3:21:21.720 --> 3:21:26.240 UM and reached out to some friends and acquaintances in 3:21:26.560 --> 3:21:32.200 the UM trans and Allies community, UM Olympic Pride, UM, 3:21:32.440 --> 3:21:36.240 the Social Justice Group and at the Unitarian Church here 3:21:36.280 --> 3:21:39.640 in town and various other people who had been kind 3:21:39.640 --> 3:21:42.120 of resourced and say, hey, this is going on, you 3:21:42.200 --> 3:21:45.120 need to be aware of it. And in fact, that 3:21:45.400 --> 3:21:49.280 night there was over an hour of public comment. There 3:21:49.320 --> 3:21:52.360 wasn't anything on these council agenda. There wasn't anything we 3:21:52.440 --> 3:21:55.360 were discussing. It wasn't really a matter. It wasn't really 3:21:55.360 --> 3:22:00.360 i think, even on the city's radar. But people show 3:22:00.480 --> 3:22:03.640 up the City council meeting and normally when there's a 3:22:03.800 --> 3:22:06.080 public comment about an item that's not on the agenda, 3:22:06.280 --> 3:22:08.440 they cut off public comment half an hour, but for 3:22:08.560 --> 3:22:10.800 whatever reason, let it run that night, so it was 3:22:10.879 --> 3:22:13.680 well over an hour of public comment. And some of 3:22:13.800 --> 3:22:19.040 the things said, we're pretty shocking, and um, you know, 3:22:19.200 --> 3:22:21.200 to the to the tune of that you know all 3:22:21.400 --> 3:22:25.120 transgender people were pedophiles or that you know, this was 3:22:25.200 --> 3:22:28.560 a rape happening, and some some stamons it was just 3:22:28.680 --> 3:22:34.560 not true. And then based on what I heard that night, 3:22:34.840 --> 3:22:38.120 I was really concerned and felt that this was both 3:22:38.600 --> 3:22:41.959 you know, this was ballooning out of proportion, which now 3:22:42.040 --> 3:22:44.320 seems kind of funny given how much more belit's out 3:22:44.320 --> 3:22:47.400 of proportion. It's gotten. There's not really any action here 3:22:47.520 --> 3:22:49.440 for the city or for the pool. I mean, one 3:22:49.480 --> 3:22:52.640 of the things that Julia Jaman has retained legal counsel 3:22:52.720 --> 3:22:55.040 and sent a demand letter to the city, but her 3:22:55.080 --> 3:22:58.280 demands were like, well, you should fire people. Well they 3:22:58.320 --> 3:23:00.720 don't work for the city. There why I'm a employee. 3:23:01.200 --> 3:23:04.560 Um well you should change your policy. While the policy 3:23:04.680 --> 3:23:08.039 is literally state law and you know a bunch of things, 3:23:08.080 --> 3:23:11.560 so it's just you can't do this. Um. So it's 3:23:11.600 --> 3:23:13.880 not really clear why this is all focusing on the 3:23:13.920 --> 3:23:16.040 city because the city doesn't really have there's not really 3:23:16.080 --> 3:23:18.959 any action that the city could take here. On top 3:23:19.120 --> 3:23:23.400 of the dozens of people Julie lead in giving public testimony, 3:23:24.040 --> 3:23:27.360 which largely consisted of transphobia, miss gender ing, and baseless 3:23:27.400 --> 3:23:32.720 accusations that trans people are pedophilic inherently, but that same day, 3:23:33.040 --> 3:23:36.720 August one, she also led a protest to outside of 3:23:36.879 --> 3:23:39.440 the y m c A. To learn more about this, 3:23:39.959 --> 3:23:43.920 I talked with Cass and Raven, who are both part 3:23:44.040 --> 3:23:49.520 of a local affinity group. The first protest was August feet, 3:23:50.280 --> 3:23:52.560 and they announced that they'd be back the same time 3:23:52.600 --> 3:23:55.320 on the second, third, and fourth. So the second drew 3:23:55.560 --> 3:24:01.360 a much larger counter protest um, and then a lot 3:24:01.440 --> 3:24:04.440 of the same people who were there on the second 3:24:04.520 --> 3:24:06.920 came back the third and fourth, but there was nobody 3:24:06.959 --> 3:24:12.160 to counter protest against because the protesters gave up in 3:24:12.280 --> 3:24:15.000 Lenthallum after one day when they saw the kind of 3:24:15.080 --> 3:24:19.640 backlash they were facing, and most people, I think, thought 3:24:19.760 --> 3:24:23.280 that was the end of it, But people who do 3:24:23.480 --> 3:24:26.720 this kind of thing more often realized that this was 3:24:27.640 --> 3:24:31.680 more likely the vibe of the beginning stages of something bigger. 3:24:32.520 --> 3:24:34.680 A lot of red flags went off when we found 3:24:34.720 --> 3:24:38.080 out they were protesting at a city council meeting planning 3:24:38.160 --> 3:24:40.320 to come back the following week. Oh, that's right, that 3:24:40.400 --> 3:24:42.800 was The Other thing was the council meeting on the first, 3:24:43.000 --> 3:24:46.480 where there was a lot of public comment logged. It 3:24:47.080 --> 3:24:50.480 seemed to us like this was going to escalate further, 3:24:51.760 --> 3:24:57.080 but other people um tended to feel that it was 3:24:57.120 --> 3:24:59.560 going to be a quick, you know, one and done 3:24:59.640 --> 3:25:03.160 type thing, with how fast the news cycle picks up 3:25:03.160 --> 3:25:07.000 a new issue. And I think it was probably about 3:25:07.000 --> 3:25:10.040 a week later on the council meeting on the eighth, 3:25:10.440 --> 3:25:14.600 because by that point we knew about the planned turf 3:25:14.680 --> 3:25:18.520 action on the fifteen. That's when it started to click 3:25:18.640 --> 3:25:21.000 for a lot of people that this was going to 3:25:21.160 --> 3:25:27.520 become a bigger thing. But I don't think anybody, including us, 3:25:27.560 --> 3:25:30.720 thought it was going to become an ongoing issue. When 3:25:30.760 --> 3:25:35.200 I searched Court Townsend on Twitter and saw trending hashtags 3:25:35.240 --> 3:25:38.480 on a wall of anti transferator, a lot of red 3:25:38.520 --> 3:25:42.880 flags went off. Since the city council public comments, the 3:25:43.040 --> 3:25:46.360 y m c A had started receiving threatening phone calls, 3:25:46.600 --> 3:25:50.560 and Jamen had been returning to facility nearly daily with 3:25:50.800 --> 3:25:54.720 some friends to protest, approaching everybody coming in and out 3:25:54.879 --> 3:25:58.039 of the pool and talking about how men are allowed 3:25:58.120 --> 3:26:01.600 in the locker room and airing signs that miss gendered 3:26:01.680 --> 3:26:04.080 the employee. Julie's group had said they were going to 3:26:04.120 --> 3:26:07.280 be picketing every day at the pool that week. Um 3:26:08.240 --> 3:26:10.720 that they showed up and there were about a hundred 3:26:10.959 --> 3:26:15.240 counter counterprochesters isn't even really the right word, um people 3:26:15.280 --> 3:26:17.040 that were there. Was sort of like a little pride 3:26:17.080 --> 3:26:21.160 parade there, and um, Olympic Pride had a kind of 3:26:21.200 --> 3:26:23.800 a booth table set up and we're handing out Pride 3:26:23.879 --> 3:26:28.160 flags and the Social Justice group from the q o 3:26:28.280 --> 3:26:30.200 F had a um, you know, standing on the side 3:26:30.240 --> 3:26:33.400 of love banner, and there were kids blowing bubbles and 3:26:33.640 --> 3:26:35.040 and it was just it was much more of it. 3:26:35.240 --> 3:26:37.520 Just kind of a lot of people here. As these 3:26:37.600 --> 3:26:40.760 initial picket style protests were happening in front of the Y, 3:26:41.480 --> 3:26:45.240 the head of the Jefferson County Transgender Support Group called 3:26:45.400 --> 3:26:49.000 some friends and assembled this sort of counter protest to 3:26:49.160 --> 3:26:52.000 voice their support for the trans employee and the y 3:26:52.120 --> 3:26:56.000 m c A, which resulted in this gay as trans 3:26:56.240 --> 3:27:02.000 rights party massively overshadowing Julie Gemmen and her friends little protest. 3:27:02.879 --> 3:27:06.640 As she was getting outnumbered in person, Julie took to 3:27:07.080 --> 3:27:11.080 alternative tactics by getting in touch with media outlets that 3:27:11.160 --> 3:27:14.840 will give her a soapbox, resulting in a new wave 3:27:14.959 --> 3:27:19.000 of harassment targeted at the Y. There were about a 3:27:19.080 --> 3:27:21.440 hundred people and it was I think it was Julian 3:27:21.640 --> 3:27:24.920 one or two other people, and people had some conversations 3:27:25.000 --> 3:27:26.880 with Julie and it sort of seemed like that was 3:27:26.920 --> 3:27:30.039 going to be the end of it. And the next 3:27:30.160 --> 3:27:35.080 day the pool was closed and about fifty Trance Right 3:27:35.240 --> 3:27:37.680 supporters showed up and nobody showed up to pick it, 3:27:38.200 --> 3:27:42.440 and the pool was closed because pool employees were receiving 3:27:42.520 --> 3:27:46.760 death threats and just so much harassment. They basically couldn't 3:27:46.840 --> 3:27:49.720 use their phones because the phone lines were jammed and 3:27:50.000 --> 3:27:52.560 voicemails were filling up in fifteen minutes, things like that, 3:27:53.080 --> 3:27:56.000 um so, and then the pool ended up staying closed, 3:27:56.040 --> 3:27:59.360 I think, from the third which was a Wednesday, all 3:27:59.400 --> 3:28:01.680 the way through out week in the and the following week, 3:28:02.000 --> 3:28:04.160 and it was just kind of a safety issue of 3:28:04.560 --> 3:28:07.440 not wanting to have children present for day camps and 3:28:07.800 --> 3:28:11.800 patrons there if they were going to be harassed. Right after, 3:28:11.959 --> 3:28:15.160 I think probably on Monday, the first um of August, 3:28:15.760 --> 3:28:19.040 Julie reached out too. There's a local sort of far 3:28:19.200 --> 3:28:23.160 right blog site called the Port Townsend Free Press that 3:28:23.360 --> 3:28:25.680 isn't really a newspaper a news source at all. It's 3:28:25.720 --> 3:28:29.360 it's kind of this this one guy, Jim James Guarantino's blog, 3:28:29.920 --> 3:28:32.480 and she reached out to that and he did an article. 3:28:33.120 --> 3:28:38.080 That first Port Townsend Free Press quote unquote article came 3:28:38.120 --> 3:28:41.840 out to August two and served as a mouthpiece for 3:28:42.040 --> 3:28:46.960 Julie's inflammatory version of events, coupled with some conservative transphobia. 3:28:47.800 --> 3:28:51.760 More reputable news outlets and local press didn't really cover 3:28:51.879 --> 3:28:54.240 the story until it had already turned into a vital 3:28:54.360 --> 3:28:57.760 topic on the right, which means there was over a 3:28:57.840 --> 3:29:01.800 week where the only documented right of the incident was 3:29:01.879 --> 3:29:06.360 the Port Townsend Free Press blog post. Two days after 3:29:06.560 --> 3:29:10.520 that piece was published, Andy Knows the Post Millennial posted 3:29:10.560 --> 3:29:14.640 an article largely pulling directly from the Port Townsend Free 3:29:14.720 --> 3:29:18.400 Press right up, and that was just the start. The 3:29:18.520 --> 3:29:22.160 next day, August five, Ben Shapiro's The Daily Wire did 3:29:22.240 --> 3:29:25.840 an article about Julie Gammond and the danger of men 3:29:26.120 --> 3:29:30.440 watching little girls undressed in the locker room. Later that night, 3:29:31.000 --> 3:29:35.440 the story was on Laura Ingram's Fox News show, citing 3:29:35.600 --> 3:29:39.000 reporting from the Post Millennial, which of course cited their 3:29:39.000 --> 3:29:42.840 reporting from the Port Townsend Free Press. And across the 3:29:42.920 --> 3:29:46.080 country in Washington State, we found perhaps the most maddening 3:29:46.200 --> 3:29:49.840 story of the week, an eight year old grandmother was 3:29:50.000 --> 3:29:53.320 banned there from her y m c A after demanding 3:29:53.360 --> 3:29:57.800 that a biological male leave the woman's locker room where 3:29:57.879 --> 3:30:02.039 little girls were undressing. They then went to play clips 3:30:02.320 --> 3:30:06.679 of Julie's public comment at the city council meeting, amplifying 3:30:06.920 --> 3:30:11.760 Julie's ever changing, altered version of events. Now on the 3:30:11.879 --> 3:30:16.160 national stage, I think the mainstream actual you know, real 3:30:16.360 --> 3:30:20.240 local newspapers didn't pick it up until the seventh or 3:30:20.360 --> 3:30:23.360 the tenth, respectively, for the Peninsula Daily News and The Leader, 3:30:23.800 --> 3:30:27.720 and that gap when they amplified it out to the 3:30:27.800 --> 3:30:30.480 larger right wing press that's got picked up by bright Bary, 3:30:30.520 --> 3:30:33.320 got picked up by the Daily Mail. They kept quoting 3:30:33.400 --> 3:30:35.840 that original portens of Free Press article, which was very 3:30:35.879 --> 3:30:39.120 inaccurate about in terms of what it described as having happened, 3:30:39.840 --> 3:30:42.360 and I mean it was both outright wrong and it 3:30:42.440 --> 3:30:44.400 also left a bunch of things out, like that the 3:30:44.840 --> 3:30:47.720 transgender person was a y m c A employee, for instance, 3:30:47.879 --> 3:30:49.320 or that they were in the locker room because they 3:30:49.360 --> 3:30:56.040 were supervising children. Um and uh, I think we're really 3:30:56.120 --> 3:31:05.080 hit a crescendo on Thursday, the ninth sheet now earlier whatever, 3:31:05.560 --> 3:31:09.040 not Thursday's past week, but the previous Thursday. Um, it 3:31:09.240 --> 3:31:12.440 was on Tucker Carlson. And that's where I really saw 3:31:12.480 --> 3:31:15.880 the email volume explode for plate people from outside the area, 3:31:16.000 --> 3:31:17.840 where it was like, you know, you're getting thirty emails 3:31:17.879 --> 3:31:20.959 in five minutes, and they're from you know, they're from Texas, 3:31:21.000 --> 3:31:23.880 there from Tennessee, they're from New Jersey, they're from Australia, 3:31:23.959 --> 3:31:26.440 they're from the UK, etcetera. That when it got picked 3:31:26.520 --> 3:31:29.800 up by Fox News, the reach really got broad. The 3:31:30.080 --> 3:31:33.120 first time the story was covered on Tucker Carlson. Tonight 3:31:33.400 --> 3:31:37.760 took place on August eleven, in an episode guest hosted 3:31:37.879 --> 3:31:40.560 by Brian Clemide by m c A. Has changed a 3:31:40.640 --> 3:31:43.600 lot over the years. Now women and young girls at 3:31:43.680 --> 3:31:46.560 the Y finding themselves in locker rooms and showers with 3:31:46.680 --> 3:31:49.640 men who identify as women, but they still have all 3:31:49.680 --> 3:31:52.440 their genitalia with them. And if you're complaining to the 3:31:52.560 --> 3:31:54.720 y m c A about the genitalia and what they're 3:31:54.760 --> 3:31:57.800 dressed like, you might get yourself banned. It's what exactly 3:31:57.879 --> 3:31:59.920 happened to an eight year old woman in Washington State. 3:32:00.320 --> 3:32:03.920 Here to explain but not actually make excuses for but 3:32:04.080 --> 3:32:07.840 explain is our West Coast correspondent, Seattle based radio host 3:32:08.000 --> 3:32:12.360 Jason Rance. Jason set the scene. Yeah, so, I mean, 3:32:12.440 --> 3:32:14.400 here's the scene. Democrats used to stand up for women, 3:32:14.480 --> 3:32:16.920 but now they can't even define one. And as a result, 3:32:17.000 --> 3:32:19.520 you have eight year old Julie Jamon who said she 3:32:19.640 --> 3:32:21.720 was banned from a pool and locker room facility that 3:32:21.840 --> 3:32:24.240 was managed by the Olympic Peninsula y m c A 3:32:24.640 --> 3:32:26.960 on Port Towns in Washington. Now. She said she was 3:32:27.080 --> 3:32:29.200 headed into the locker room to shower and she saw 3:32:29.320 --> 3:32:32.400 something pretty alarming. She explained what happened at this council meeting. 3:32:32.760 --> 3:32:36.280 Then a clip from the public comments plays and I 3:32:36.320 --> 3:32:38.800 will not subject you to that again, but here is 3:32:39.120 --> 3:32:41.199 a little bit more of that clip. So a number 3:32:41.240 --> 3:32:43.959 of residents showed up to support her at this council meeting, 3:32:44.000 --> 3:32:46.200 but the mayor, his name is David Faber, he was 3:32:46.320 --> 3:32:51.360 not pleased, accusing them of transphobia. Townsend is a welcoming 3:32:51.480 --> 3:32:56.160 community and hate and discrimination has no place in this community. 3:32:58.160 --> 3:33:00.920 I listen to you quietly. I'd like you to listen 3:33:00.959 --> 3:33:09.120 to me quietly. Now, given the rise in harassment and bigotry, 3:33:09.280 --> 3:33:13.200 the trans persons are experienced recently. It's essential that we 3:33:13.320 --> 3:33:17.800 all speak up. The CIS gendered people like me speak 3:33:17.920 --> 3:33:24.280 up in support of our trans community. Now, Jamon says 3:33:24.320 --> 3:33:27.440 the staff accused her of being discriminatory. The YMC put 3:33:27.480 --> 3:33:29.360 out a statement basically saying we're not going to tolerate 3:33:29.480 --> 3:33:33.600 the bias, discrimination or hatred. And of course, in Washington State, 3:33:33.879 --> 3:33:36.080 the law allows anyone to use locker room change, remember 3:33:36.160 --> 3:33:38.880 bathroom that aligns with their gender identity. So they're basically saying, 3:33:38.920 --> 3:33:40.960 we're doing what we have to do, except, of course, 3:33:41.040 --> 3:33:43.920 protect women who don't want to see this. Unbelievable. That 3:33:43.959 --> 3:33:46.720 guy should be ashamed of himself behind the mask in 3:33:46.800 --> 3:33:50.560 the media after Methodist, did you see it alluding to 3:33:50.640 --> 3:33:52.000 this scale or did you think this is just like 3:33:52.080 --> 3:33:59.560 a one and done traumatic incidents? Absolutely not. Um I 3:34:00.080 --> 3:34:04.000 I really just thought, you know, oh my my days came. 3:34:04.280 --> 3:34:07.280 I finally have the bad bathroom experience. And I know 3:34:07.360 --> 3:34:12.760 a lot of people do have that bad experience. Um nobody, 3:34:14.200 --> 3:34:19.040 nobody is ready for it to be, you know, to 3:34:19.160 --> 3:34:23.400 have this much attention called just such a small thing. 3:34:24.400 --> 3:34:29.400 Um No, because I wasn't eaving for it to be 3:34:29.560 --> 3:34:33.160 like this, Because yeah, it's escalated to the point where 3:34:33.160 --> 3:34:36.360 you're like on international news for these like right wing 3:34:36.440 --> 3:34:41.520 grifters who are trying to basically get trans people killed. Um, yeah, 3:34:42.160 --> 3:34:46.680 and you're I don't know, it's really it's really upsetting 3:34:46.800 --> 3:34:50.880 to have my face and and name, you know, sort 3:34:50.920 --> 3:34:55.560 of be pushed out like that. And it it's crazy 3:34:55.680 --> 3:34:59.920 how that feeling, that the sinking feeling when I saw 3:35:00.400 --> 3:35:03.040 my my name and face I don't even think it 3:35:03.160 --> 3:35:04.880 was my face at the time, when I saw my 3:35:05.040 --> 3:35:09.760 name appear on that local PP Free Press article, and 3:35:09.959 --> 3:35:12.200 you know, at the time it was that still a 3:35:12.240 --> 3:35:15.320 pretty big impact. And then to have that just keep 3:35:15.400 --> 3:35:24.720 happening and it got it gets like kind of depressingly numbing. Yeah, 3:35:25.040 --> 3:35:29.680 just have it keep intensifying. I mean, yeah, I've been 3:35:29.760 --> 3:35:33.280 on hormones for almost a year now and I've avoided 3:35:33.360 --> 3:35:36.400 that for kind of reasons like this that it sucks 3:35:36.560 --> 3:35:39.560 because I just feel like, I feel like this is 3:35:39.560 --> 3:35:41.400 a very common experience with trans people who are like 3:35:41.640 --> 3:35:44.360 starting out, like you just can't really go anywhere because 3:35:44.440 --> 3:35:46.160 you look too weird to go in the vince room 3:35:46.680 --> 3:35:49.880 and you're not quite like you don't feel comfortable the 3:35:49.920 --> 3:35:52.520 woman's room because of stuff like this, and you know, 3:35:52.520 --> 3:35:54.039 if you're not in binary that, if it's a whole 3:35:54.080 --> 3:35:55.720 other issue of like where the fund do I go, 3:35:56.560 --> 3:35:59.960 Like there's there's there's not a lot of options sometimes, 3:36:00.200 --> 3:36:03.800 but then to have something that's already very stressful we 3:36:03.840 --> 3:36:06.960 turned into like a fucking like Daily Wired New York 3:36:07.120 --> 3:36:12.840 Post Info warship is like like what like like it's 3:36:15.520 --> 3:36:19.000 we like Tucker Carlson, like all of it. It's really 3:36:20.600 --> 3:36:26.760 it's disappointing that there's this idea that I, you know, 3:36:27.040 --> 3:36:32.640 I'm I'm actively trying to violate people's space, and and 3:36:33.160 --> 3:36:37.240 it's really frustrating because of how uncomfortable I feel putting 3:36:37.320 --> 3:36:40.880 myself in that position, being in that room. Um, and 3:36:41.120 --> 3:36:45.120 I don't want to have something like this happened, and 3:36:45.520 --> 3:36:49.280 I don't, you know, I don't abuse that space because 3:36:49.560 --> 3:36:53.640 I'm not some guy trying to prey on people. I'm 3:36:54.080 --> 3:36:58.080 I'm just trying to use the bathroom and get changed 3:36:58.280 --> 3:37:01.320 and and like do you try to talk about like oh, 3:37:01.840 --> 3:37:05.360 you know, walking in penis, hanging out and and all 3:37:05.440 --> 3:37:09.720 of these things. But I don't change in the public space. 3:37:09.800 --> 3:37:12.720 I go into a changing room, and you know, I 3:37:13.680 --> 3:37:17.360 I understand, you know, that confusion, and I try to 3:37:18.440 --> 3:37:21.640 subtract myself from the space as much as possible and 3:37:22.720 --> 3:37:25.080 make it, you know, more comfortable. When when I'm in 3:37:25.160 --> 3:37:29.400 a position like that where I'm trying to, you know, 3:37:29.600 --> 3:37:32.480 sort of entertain a kid who's not happy to be 3:37:32.560 --> 3:37:35.800 a bathroom buddy. And and I'm kind of putting that 3:37:35.879 --> 3:37:39.760 position where I have to talk um, it's super vulnerable 3:37:40.280 --> 3:37:46.120 and and I just remember feeling small and and I 3:37:46.240 --> 3:37:48.920 just shrunk when she talked to me like that, And 3:37:50.400 --> 3:37:54.039 I don't even the space just got so small. Piggy 3:37:54.120 --> 3:37:58.560 backing off the groomer and growing anti trans attacks we've 3:37:58.600 --> 3:38:02.720 seen this year. A large swath of right wing influencers 3:38:02.879 --> 3:38:06.959 and media personalities jumped on this story to drive outrage 3:38:07.080 --> 3:38:11.080 and push their rhetoric. Here is a brief clip from Newsmax. 3:38:11.720 --> 3:38:15.880 They're more than willing to just ignore possible pedophilia happening 3:38:15.920 --> 3:38:19.240 at the y m c A in the locker room. Well, 3:38:19.600 --> 3:38:21.520 it's from my point of view, it seems more like 3:38:21.720 --> 3:38:24.560 some sort of hypnotism. I know the word woke has 3:38:24.600 --> 3:38:26.720 been put to it, but I have to tell you 3:38:26.959 --> 3:38:31.000 that all public agencies I'm connected to UH as a 3:38:31.200 --> 3:38:35.080 citizen in a very small town. They are all operating 3:38:35.200 --> 3:38:38.480 with this gender identity, and you've got to wonder what 3:38:39.120 --> 3:38:43.560 is happening and those most private places that people, particularly 3:38:43.640 --> 3:38:47.240 women need to have. We've we've had you on We've 3:38:47.240 --> 3:38:48.720 had you on the show a couple of times now, 3:38:48.800 --> 3:38:53.280 and you seem very level headed, Yes, very very level headed. Indeed. 3:38:53.760 --> 3:38:58.600 Um By now the story has been headlined and obviously 3:38:58.879 --> 3:39:03.440 very miscare seized and transphobic fashion, but still headlined by 3:39:03.520 --> 3:39:07.280 The Post, Millennial, The Daily Wire, Fox News, Daily Mail, 3:39:07.520 --> 3:39:11.960 Bright Bart News, Max Info, Wars, New York Post, The Federalist, 3:39:12.520 --> 3:39:18.240 and the quote unquote feminist news site Redux. As false 3:39:18.480 --> 3:39:21.600 retellings about what happened in the Olympic Peninsula y m 3:39:21.640 --> 3:39:25.360 c A went viral on the right. Threatening emails and 3:39:25.520 --> 3:39:28.000 phone calls started pouring into the y m c A, 3:39:28.360 --> 3:39:31.880 prompting them to shut down the entire facility for over 3:39:32.000 --> 3:39:37.680 a week, leaving many local families without childcare services. Intense 3:39:37.840 --> 3:39:41.640 harassment and death threats were sent to city officials who 3:39:41.800 --> 3:39:46.480 voiced support of trans rights, and also to the pool manager. 3:39:47.640 --> 3:39:51.440 In my conversation with Libby Winstrom from last week, she 3:39:51.640 --> 3:39:55.320 detailed some of the threats and the impact the harassment 3:39:55.440 --> 3:39:58.280 has had on the community. A lot more of the 3:39:58.440 --> 3:40:01.040 ire is now kind of directed at the city and 3:40:01.120 --> 3:40:07.959 the mayor and just at the pool director, unless at employees. UM. 3:40:08.840 --> 3:40:14.920 The transgender employee who was you know, attacked in the 3:40:15.040 --> 3:40:21.560 locker room by Julie Dremond is actually no longer. Why 3:40:22.440 --> 3:40:25.720 UM and other people have left is another undisclosed location, 3:40:25.959 --> 3:40:27.680 just out of concern of trying to get the kids 3:40:27.720 --> 3:40:31.200 as far away from this whole process as possible. And 3:40:31.800 --> 3:40:33.360 and so that took a little bit of time in 3:40:33.520 --> 3:40:36.120 juggling to set up, and they were so short staff 3:40:36.240 --> 3:40:38.480 they were actually calling for volunteers in order to try 3:40:38.560 --> 3:40:43.200 to keep the childcare open this week just because UM 3:40:43.959 --> 3:40:47.680 they were already somewhat short staffed and with people leaving, 3:40:47.840 --> 3:40:50.600 it had just been even harder. UM. The y has 3:40:50.720 --> 3:40:53.560 been open I think all week this week. I think 3:40:53.600 --> 3:40:57.600 it was open Monday, Tuesday, today's Wednesday. UM. So it 3:40:57.680 --> 3:41:00.480 has been able to reopen. They've they've changed the around. 3:41:00.520 --> 3:41:05.120 It's now not open Saturdays again, UM and shuffled and 3:41:05.160 --> 3:41:07.280 I think some staff are working seven days a week 3:41:07.320 --> 3:41:11.600 in order to try to keep it open. UM. People 3:41:11.640 --> 3:41:14.440 are still getting threats. UM still getting I got a 3:41:14.879 --> 3:41:19.320 terrible email last night. I haven't been getting death threats. 3:41:19.440 --> 3:41:24.480 I've been getting things like, UM, you know you're a disgusting, 3:41:24.600 --> 3:41:28.800 fat pig bitch, why don't you go back to the buffet? Um, 3:41:29.480 --> 3:41:31.880 and you know, things like that. It hasn't for me 3:41:32.280 --> 3:41:37.320 been death threats. UM. The pool director was receiving photographs 3:41:37.360 --> 3:41:41.880 of her children saying there next and UM, some pretty 3:41:41.920 --> 3:41:45.440 explicit threatening messages like I'm coming for you, I know 3:41:45.560 --> 3:41:49.440 where you are. UM. And Mayor Favor has been getting 3:41:49.440 --> 3:41:51.520 similar things. He got one where somebody was threatening to 3:41:51.560 --> 3:41:54.760 come to his home and rape his wife. UM. So 3:41:55.320 --> 3:41:59.160 these have been pretty horrifying messages. For the most part, 3:41:59.400 --> 3:42:03.240 most of the email has voicemails have been coming from 3:42:03.240 --> 3:42:06.240 out of the area. You know, they're not they're not local. UM. 3:42:06.440 --> 3:42:08.920 So it's a little hard to gauge whether these are 3:42:09.000 --> 3:42:11.040 serious threats. But at some of you you feel like 3:42:11.120 --> 3:42:14.000 you have to take it somewhat seriously. UM. And that 3:42:14.120 --> 3:42:16.200 I think has been pretty disruptive, both for the y 3:42:16.280 --> 3:42:21.080 employees and for the city. As Julie's retelling of the 3:42:21.200 --> 3:42:25.080 story was going viral across the right wing and turf media, 3:42:25.680 --> 3:42:29.440 resulting in the pool having to temporarily shut down. So 3:42:29.640 --> 3:42:34.400 called press conference was scheduled outside of another city council 3:42:34.440 --> 3:42:40.000 meeting for August by Julie and her allies. There's a 3:42:40.120 --> 3:42:44.959 local UM she builds yourself. There's a sort of radical 3:42:45.120 --> 3:42:50.040 feminist UM named Ami Susa who has a uh so 3:42:50.280 --> 3:42:57.880 anti trans blog site, and Um, she has really taken 3:42:57.920 --> 3:43:00.520 this and run with it. So I've plugged in, but 3:43:00.600 --> 3:43:03.160 not well, she's really taken this and run with it 3:43:03.800 --> 3:43:06.480 and has I think has been really this kind of 3:43:06.680 --> 3:43:10.640 driving force between behind a lot of this amplification onto 3:43:10.720 --> 3:43:16.920 far right media. UM and Amy Susa held a what 3:43:17.080 --> 3:43:20.560 she built as a press conference on the August fifteenth, 3:43:20.640 --> 3:43:24.000 the night of the most recent Um City council meeting, 3:43:24.640 --> 3:43:26.280 and showed up with a group of I don't know, 3:43:26.320 --> 3:43:31.520 probably twenty five or thirty supporters, and there were estimates 3:43:31.520 --> 3:43:35.320 are between three and fifty and four hundred UM trans 3:43:35.480 --> 3:43:37.880 rights folks from town. I mean that there were local 3:43:38.320 --> 3:43:40.400 who had just showed up and most of them were 3:43:40.560 --> 3:43:42.760 waiting in line to go into the council meeting and 3:43:43.080 --> 3:43:47.720 you know, flying flags and raising gland at banners and stuff. UM. 3:43:47.959 --> 3:43:50.640 But there was some heated shouting and one person got 3:43:50.760 --> 3:43:55.240 arrested for shoving. There weren't any charges filed. I did 3:43:55.360 --> 3:44:01.120 confirm that with um UH, the Sheriff's office, um that 3:44:02.080 --> 3:44:04.880 with the courts, that that not no charges got filed 3:44:04.879 --> 3:44:07.080 out of that, which is contrary to those stories they've 3:44:07.120 --> 3:44:09.160 been putting out that like there were some charges filed, 3:44:09.200 --> 3:44:13.320 that's not true. I believe there were about three hundred 3:44:13.959 --> 3:44:17.880 people that came out to confront less than twenty UM 3:44:18.680 --> 3:44:20.800 people coming to try and bring Hayten to our community. 3:44:21.600 --> 3:44:25.080 And it feels like that really inspired a lot of 3:44:25.160 --> 3:44:31.040 the different networks to get connected. UM. Our personal little 3:44:31.080 --> 3:44:34.240 networks are incredibly white. Most of us are are trends 3:44:34.280 --> 3:44:38.320 of some reguard UM and we were reached out to 3:44:38.560 --> 3:44:42.600 by a local bipop community that we've we've had some 3:44:43.120 --> 3:44:46.400 crossover with, but not a lot. But since this happened, 3:44:46.840 --> 3:44:51.120 UM just the interconnectivity with with that group has just exploded. 3:44:51.600 --> 3:44:56.480 After the press conference, protest footage of the event went viral, 3:44:56.640 --> 3:45:01.680 spawning another new wave of right wing media outrage. Clips 3:45:01.800 --> 3:45:05.920 from the quote unquote feminist re Dux magazine Twitter account 3:45:06.400 --> 3:45:10.320 show Julie trying to give a speech while being drowned 3:45:10.360 --> 3:45:13.480 out by chance in support of trans people, and at 3:45:13.560 --> 3:45:16.600 one point someone running behind Julie to rip down a 3:45:16.640 --> 3:45:20.200 Suffragette flag put up by one of the turfs. And 3:45:20.400 --> 3:45:24.400 a side note, in some much less viral footage, we 3:45:24.520 --> 3:45:27.360 can see turfs trying to rip Pride flags out of 3:45:27.400 --> 3:45:31.439 the hands of people who are counter protesting. So conservative 3:45:31.520 --> 3:45:35.720 coverage of the protest painted a pearl clutching picture of 3:45:36.240 --> 3:45:40.600 scary trans people assaulting women. A few days after the 3:45:40.680 --> 3:45:44.800 press conference, Julie Jaman herself made an appearance on Tucker 3:45:44.879 --> 3:45:48.720 Carlson tonight. Julie Jaman is one of them. She's eighty 3:45:48.760 --> 3:45:51.680 years old. She's now been banned from stepping inside a 3:45:52.080 --> 3:45:55.080 y m c A y because she dared to object 3:45:55.160 --> 3:45:58.160 when a male employee was assigned to watch little girls 3:45:58.240 --> 3:46:00.600 remove their bathing suits in the back room in a 3:46:00.640 --> 3:46:03.560 women's locker room. So this week a few dozen people 3:46:03.680 --> 3:46:05.840 joined Jaman to protest the y m c A. Some 3:46:05.920 --> 3:46:09.600 of the protesters, including her, were assaulted by lunatics men 3:46:09.840 --> 3:46:12.440 dressed as women. Here's some of the footage from that. 3:46:12.600 --> 3:46:16.280 On Monday, you may have read some version of my 3:46:16.480 --> 3:46:20.279 personal experience a naked old lady in the women's shower 3:46:20.400 --> 3:46:36.600 room and what I saw that day the police. You 3:46:36.720 --> 3:46:49.199 can see women screaming at her. Julie Jaman is the woman, 3:46:49.320 --> 3:46:52.360 the brave woman. Just on the video she joins us sight. Julie, 3:46:52.400 --> 3:46:54.600 thanks so much. We're grateful that you are joining us. 3:46:55.080 --> 3:46:58.320 Why at this stage in your life are you taking 3:46:58.360 --> 3:47:01.640 it upon yourself to speak up against this in the 3:47:01.720 --> 3:47:06.680 face of what we just saw. I was in the 3:47:06.800 --> 3:47:10.280 shower and I saw that man in that women's suit, 3:47:10.480 --> 3:47:13.400 and I saw him watching little girls. You can't not 3:47:13.760 --> 3:47:16.640 act when you see that going on. You must do something, 3:47:18.200 --> 3:47:20.879 So I and and bless you for doing that. That's 3:47:20.920 --> 3:47:23.640 exactly right. Your your moral sense is just is clear. 3:47:24.400 --> 3:47:26.160 I have no idea what your background is, but you 3:47:26.240 --> 3:47:27.800 have a very clear sense of right and wrong, and 3:47:27.800 --> 3:47:30.400 I wish more people had it. So you tried to 3:47:30.600 --> 3:47:33.039 explain that in the video we just played, and rather 3:47:33.120 --> 3:47:35.320 than listen to you, people screamed at you and then 3:47:35.360 --> 3:47:38.640 appeared to come at you. Have you noticed there's no 3:47:38.760 --> 3:47:45.120 conversation about this. There was. It was a mob of 3:47:45.280 --> 3:47:50.560 hundreds of people that came streaming into this permitted gathering, 3:47:51.400 --> 3:47:54.040 and they kettled us. I think that's what you'd call it. 3:47:54.480 --> 3:47:58.959 They pushed shoved, They knocked women to the ground. These 3:47:59.120 --> 3:48:02.199 are the men in the supporters of men that apparently 3:48:02.280 --> 3:48:04.640 the y m c A and the city want to 3:48:04.760 --> 3:48:09.240 allow into the women's dressing and shower area. I object. 3:48:10.720 --> 3:48:14.000 And you, at the age of eighty, were banned by 3:48:14.080 --> 3:48:15.920 the y m c A. It's hard to even believe 3:48:15.920 --> 3:48:18.200 this is real because you were taking a shower and 3:48:18.280 --> 3:48:20.000 there was a man in there and they banned you, 3:48:20.160 --> 3:48:22.120 not him. What could tell us if that's true? A 3:48:22.280 --> 3:48:27.720 and B. What y m c A. Is this? Yes, 3:48:27.879 --> 3:48:31.080 that's correct. I told that guy to get out of 3:48:31.160 --> 3:48:34.360 the shower, and then a staff member came around the 3:48:34.440 --> 3:48:36.720 corner and I said to her, get him out of here, 3:48:37.120 --> 3:48:40.720 and she said, that's discrimination. You're out of here for life. 3:48:40.879 --> 3:48:44.720 And I'm calling the cops. Can you tell us what? Why? 3:48:44.840 --> 3:48:50.359 M c Where did this happen. This happens in Port Townsend, 3:48:50.720 --> 3:48:55.600 that's on the Olympic Peninsula in Washington State. It's just 3:48:56.000 --> 3:48:59.000 it's I hope they are punished for the way that 3:48:59.080 --> 3:49:03.160 they treated you, and I appreciate your bravery and forthrightness. 3:49:05.080 --> 3:49:08.240 I do too. We did try and get the police 3:49:08.320 --> 3:49:11.040 to come help us. They were standing across the streets 3:49:11.720 --> 3:49:16.000 and they were told by a directive to stand down. 3:49:16.560 --> 3:49:19.840 They did not come to help us. I hope they 3:49:19.920 --> 3:49:22.760 wrought Juli Jaman, thank you for all you've done. I 3:49:22.800 --> 3:49:25.720 appreciate it. Good to see you tonight. Throughout all the 3:49:25.840 --> 3:49:30.520 media spectacle, I feel like the actual original victim of 3:49:30.600 --> 3:49:34.640 this harassment has kind of been forgotten, despite them being 3:49:34.760 --> 3:49:39.560 the current face of the transgender menace. In my conversation 3:49:39.640 --> 3:49:42.320 with Clementine, we talked about what it's like to be 3:49:42.440 --> 3:49:46.560 turned into this sort of outrage symbol, Like I've I 3:49:46.840 --> 3:49:52.160 watched the three hours of public testimony UM a few 3:49:52.240 --> 3:49:56.840 nights ago, which was I was, I was on so 3:49:57.000 --> 3:50:02.840 much caffeine. UM, it's the only way is that the 3:50:02.960 --> 3:50:05.560 meeting that happened right after the incident or the Monday 3:50:05.640 --> 3:50:09.920 meeting from both. I did both in one day. Yeah, 3:50:10.440 --> 3:50:17.760 it was Yeah. And one of the more shocking things 3:50:17.960 --> 3:50:22.880 was just how how how miss one how mischaracterized the 3:50:22.920 --> 3:50:26.960 incident was and to just like how much blatant miss 3:50:27.040 --> 3:50:31.280 gendering there was, and like talking about you not as 3:50:31.400 --> 3:50:34.920 like an actual person, but as almost this like evil 3:50:35.160 --> 3:50:40.440 archetype in people's minds, Like it's so dehumanizing in a 3:50:40.720 --> 3:50:44.440 really bad way um let alone all of like the 3:50:44.600 --> 3:50:47.360 like miss gendering stuff like it's it was. It was 3:50:47.440 --> 3:50:52.720 wild watching this person after person completely mindlessly create this 3:50:52.960 --> 3:50:57.120 villain in their own heads um and then just attached 3:50:57.200 --> 3:51:00.080 it onto an actual human being who's like, you, like, 3:51:00.760 --> 3:51:03.880 your privacy has actually been violated. Like you're like like 3:51:04.000 --> 3:51:07.480 you're like like private information, your pictures, names is going 3:51:07.520 --> 3:51:13.400 all over these like like neo fascist news sites, and 3:51:13.560 --> 3:51:17.000 like if something you know, people are framing this is 3:51:17.080 --> 3:51:21.560 like you know, safety and privacy, Like if you want 3:51:21.560 --> 3:51:25.160 to look at what's actually going on, it's so different. 3:51:25.160 --> 3:51:27.320 And there's such a disconnect between watching all of that 3:51:27.440 --> 3:51:30.720 public testimony and looking at all of you know, the 3:51:31.640 --> 3:51:34.320 the right wing press of this incident, and I don't know, 3:51:34.480 --> 3:51:39.360 it's it's very depressive framing. It's really clear and disappointing 3:51:39.400 --> 3:51:43.080 when you're the subject of it because I know what 3:51:43.280 --> 3:51:48.160 happened in that space, and you know, there were people 3:51:48.200 --> 3:51:53.040 to witness what happened, and we worked to get our 3:51:53.120 --> 3:51:56.920 reports out quickly, but it just didn't you know, it 3:51:57.000 --> 3:52:00.680 didn't matter because of how dedicated this woman was to 3:52:02.120 --> 3:52:06.800 getting her side or whatever. I mean. In reality, it 3:52:07.160 --> 3:52:13.040 just feels like she was dedicated to hurting. Um. I 3:52:13.120 --> 3:52:17.240 don't know what her motivation was, but it's the blatantly 3:52:17.360 --> 3:52:23.520 false side of the story that really hurts because accusations 3:52:23.640 --> 3:52:27.000 that I was standing there watching I think they go 3:52:27.160 --> 3:52:32.480 anywhere from like two to five kids. It's their number. Um. 3:52:32.920 --> 3:52:35.080 I was watching the Tucker Carlson and I think I 3:52:35.160 --> 3:52:41.120 saw that number five watching five kids undress, um, when 3:52:41.200 --> 3:52:44.280 that's just not what happened. I was standing there with 3:52:44.360 --> 3:52:50.000 one kid who was fully clothed, chatting while we waited 3:52:50.040 --> 3:52:52.200 for another kid to come out of the bathroom. And 3:52:53.560 --> 3:52:58.800 it's just wrong. It's misinformation, and it's not about you know, 3:52:58.960 --> 3:53:03.240 it's not even a about um pushing an agenda. It's 3:53:03.400 --> 3:53:08.800 it's about people's livelihood. And it's really damaging to have 3:53:09.280 --> 3:53:14.200 my privacy violated like that, you know, Um, straight up, 3:53:14.560 --> 3:53:17.200 that's what it is. It almost feels like you're just 3:53:17.360 --> 3:53:24.040 like this sacrificial archetype that. Yeah, it's like they're not 3:53:24.160 --> 3:53:27.440 even but they're not even like interested in you as 3:53:27.520 --> 3:53:30.520 a person. Really, they're interested in you on this this 3:53:30.800 --> 3:53:35.120 this this this like idea, and to project you onto 3:53:35.200 --> 3:53:38.120 this whole other idea, which is so fucked up because 3:53:38.720 --> 3:53:41.560 you're an actual person, Like yeah, well, and and you 3:53:41.680 --> 3:53:44.880 can see in the comments and stuff on some of 3:53:44.960 --> 3:53:47.960 these that it's pretty you know, I won't try to 3:53:48.120 --> 3:53:52.160 dig into like the ugly, the ugly and the bad 3:53:52.280 --> 3:53:57.080 of Twitter, but like I've seen people say that I'm 3:53:57.160 --> 3:54:01.160 like a fully bearded man, or like I'll be paralleled 3:54:01.200 --> 3:54:04.560 as a lumberjack, and it's like I mean, and not 3:54:04.840 --> 3:54:08.960 that you know, your appearances matter, It's it's about how 3:54:09.040 --> 3:54:12.560 you feel. But it's kind of, you know, interesting to 3:54:12.640 --> 3:54:16.200 see how I'm I'm painted in such a weird and 3:54:16.400 --> 3:54:19.760 twisted light. Despite going viral in the right wing and 3:54:20.000 --> 3:54:23.600 turf news sphere, local sentiment in the port towns in 3:54:23.640 --> 3:54:27.440 the area has been widely in supportive trans rights and 3:54:27.840 --> 3:54:30.920 not very pleased that their town has been upended for 3:54:31.080 --> 3:54:35.480 over a month due to one woman's personal prejudice and discomfort. 3:54:35.960 --> 3:54:39.400 I've lived for twenty four and a half years, and 3:54:39.840 --> 3:54:42.600 in talking to people over the last couple of weeks, 3:54:42.720 --> 3:54:46.960 I would say nearly universally, the local sentiment is why 3:54:47.080 --> 3:54:50.720 is this such a big deal? Like this basically somebody 3:54:51.040 --> 3:54:53.520 got startled in a locker room, made kind of a 3:54:53.600 --> 3:54:58.280 jerk of herself, and is now trying to blow this 3:54:58.400 --> 3:55:01.880 into some kind of international incident, and you know, here's 3:55:01.920 --> 3:55:04.520 this little tiny town at the edge of the continent, 3:55:05.320 --> 3:55:09.120 and we're like, why, why, why is this the most 3:55:09.200 --> 3:55:13.280 important thing? You know? Why did you know dozens of 3:55:13.320 --> 3:55:15.800 families not have child care for ten days? Why did 3:55:16.280 --> 3:55:18.880 you know the y m c A employees have to 3:55:19.080 --> 3:55:21.840 not get paid? Why? Why did you know? The the 3:55:22.320 --> 3:55:27.160 impact of this has been so outsized relative to the 3:55:28.480 --> 3:55:33.960 actually what actually happened. The person who started the initial 3:55:34.080 --> 3:55:37.880 incident with the trans employee. It's it's kind of funny 3:55:37.880 --> 3:55:41.360 in a way that yes, she's gotten out her message 3:55:41.480 --> 3:55:44.520 to the whole community, but it's spread as a result 3:55:44.680 --> 3:55:49.640 of the organizing against her and against the group of 3:55:49.760 --> 3:55:53.120 people that she's bringing into the area. And it's gotten 3:55:53.160 --> 3:55:56.920 to a point where just random community members that we 3:55:57.000 --> 3:56:00.080 don't have any direct connection to our recognizing her and 3:56:00.280 --> 3:56:05.280 knowing why she's a known person, and are just kicking 3:56:05.360 --> 3:56:09.160 her out of their businesses on site. It's like the 3:56:09.560 --> 3:56:15.320 the backlash against that incident is really spreading really well, 3:56:15.640 --> 3:56:21.160 and we're getting this really good organic network building throughout 3:56:21.200 --> 3:56:26.280 the community. Earlier in August, before the big press conference thing, 3:56:27.040 --> 3:56:31.480 various BIPOC and queer collectives and affinity groups started networking, 3:56:31.960 --> 3:56:35.120 and a solidarity meeting was set up to figure out 3:56:35.440 --> 3:56:37.360 how to take care of each other as the far 3:56:37.520 --> 3:56:41.960 right's spotlight on the town grows. Myself and one another 3:56:42.200 --> 3:56:45.320 person went and maybe a couple of others who I 3:56:45.400 --> 3:56:47.120 didn't know, but the two of us were the main 3:56:47.240 --> 3:56:51.680 ones who are more directly involved with the queer community 3:56:51.760 --> 3:56:57.440 side of responding to what was going on, and it 3:56:57.600 --> 3:57:00.400 was really great, like they just like, we want to 3:57:00.440 --> 3:57:03.560 support you, We want to, you know, help take care 3:57:03.640 --> 3:57:06.440 of you. What can we do? And then for the 3:57:06.520 --> 3:57:09.760 action on the fifteenth, when we were talking about you know, 3:57:09.800 --> 3:57:12.320 like here's here's the kind of response that we're wanting 3:57:12.360 --> 3:57:16.680 from the whole community, but here's some of these background needs. 3:57:16.720 --> 3:57:19.360 Because none of them were experienced enough with protesting to 3:57:19.440 --> 3:57:22.720 feel comfortable going out on the front lines and doing stuff, 3:57:23.760 --> 3:57:27.440 they went about a quarter mile away and set up 3:57:27.560 --> 3:57:32.640 a community picnic. And I don't think people took nearly 3:57:32.720 --> 3:57:35.760 enough advantage of it because the planning happened so last minute, 3:57:35.880 --> 3:57:39.760 but they did a great job of setting up in 3:57:39.840 --> 3:57:45.120 solidarity and in solidarity and in support and we're really 3:57:45.200 --> 3:57:48.400 looking forward to working with them more. We spent the 3:57:48.520 --> 3:57:54.680 last few years running small group basic medical classes UM 3:57:55.040 --> 3:58:00.880 and UH workshops and really making innections like within our 3:58:00.920 --> 3:58:05.080 community and having this come about and having everyone come 3:58:05.120 --> 3:58:07.480 out to one place and see each other and going, oh, 3:58:07.640 --> 3:58:10.760 we know you and I know you UM and from 3:58:10.800 --> 3:58:15.520 different communities coming together. We've really been able to enable 3:58:16.240 --> 3:58:19.320 those folks to come together to start building more of 3:58:19.360 --> 3:58:23.560 a unified front. I want to reiterate that with all 3:58:23.600 --> 3:58:27.000 the media spectacle, it's important to not lose sight of 3:58:27.080 --> 3:58:30.400 the original target of all of this hate and transphobia. 3:58:31.200 --> 3:58:34.960 The physical and mental effect of such a massive wave 3:58:35.160 --> 3:58:40.320 of bigoted harassment and boxing can take a substantial toll. 3:58:40.760 --> 3:58:43.720 I had to stop going into work at a certain 3:58:43.760 --> 3:58:48.640 point because I couldn't do it. I woke up in 3:58:48.720 --> 3:58:51.440 the morning and I looked in the mirror and and 3:58:51.720 --> 3:58:55.240 I just broke down because it was too much to 3:58:55.400 --> 3:58:58.840 keep going into keep trying to bring that bright energy 3:58:59.760 --> 3:59:06.360 uh uh to work UM and a lot of doubt. UH. 3:59:07.040 --> 3:59:10.800 That's what I've been experiencing is a lot of you 3:59:10.880 --> 3:59:13.640 see so many people trying to divulge your character in 3:59:13.720 --> 3:59:19.120 a negative way, and it's you know, it's toxic, and 3:59:19.960 --> 3:59:24.320 it can kind of seep through and make your life toxic. 3:59:24.480 --> 3:59:28.080 And that's why I just had to stop looking because 3:59:28.360 --> 3:59:34.080 it hurt too much and it's putting me in this limbo. 3:59:34.640 --> 3:59:37.360 I don't feel like I've gotten a break for a month. 3:59:37.480 --> 3:59:43.880 I feel like I've just been tired and like rust, 3:59:44.560 --> 3:59:48.360 I feel like I'm purgatory. You know, has there been 3:59:48.360 --> 3:59:50.440 any kind of like support on the community level that 3:59:50.560 --> 3:59:54.600 has been helpful? Yeah? Yeah, Um, I've been I've been 3:59:55.320 --> 4:00:01.080 definitely grateful and um blessed to have the community response 4:00:01.200 --> 4:00:05.880 be really astounding and supportive. Yeah. I've been given the 4:00:05.960 --> 4:00:09.560 opportunity to be so much more connected with my local 4:00:09.640 --> 4:00:14.280 queer community as well as my local community period. Um, 4:00:15.080 --> 4:00:19.800 there were a lot of supportive voices. Uh that made 4:00:19.840 --> 4:00:22.600 it a little bit easier to ignore the darker side 4:00:22.640 --> 4:00:27.760 of this um and elephant in the room. Uh. The 4:00:27.880 --> 4:00:31.200 go fund me. I don't know how I would feel 4:00:31.560 --> 4:00:36.160 if there wasn't, you know, something rigid and like a 4:00:36.280 --> 4:00:38.680 rock to lean on, like to go fund me, to 4:00:38.800 --> 4:00:41.160 be able to have something hopeful to look forward to 4:00:41.400 --> 4:00:46.360 and think that I can you know, be me and 4:00:46.560 --> 4:00:52.080 that I can afford being me. Uh, I don't know 4:00:52.520 --> 4:00:56.160 how I would navigate the storm without something like that 4:00:56.320 --> 4:01:03.840 in the distance. It's been overwhelming and I've just been 4:01:03.960 --> 4:01:06.520 waiting for it to end, and it looks like it's 4:01:06.600 --> 4:01:13.200 finally slowing down. But um, the support makes it easier. 4:01:13.680 --> 4:01:18.040 And the support is a kind of attention that really 4:01:18.120 --> 4:01:25.440 helps right now, because it's strikingly easy to feel bad, ah, 4:01:26.240 --> 4:01:31.160 to feel just associated when when your life is kind 4:01:31.200 --> 4:01:35.000 of thrust into a different lens and what felt like 4:01:35.440 --> 4:01:39.280 a day, what kind of was just a day or 4:01:39.320 --> 4:01:42.960 a week. This month has felt like longer than my 4:01:43.160 --> 4:01:47.400 entire summer break. The situation in Port Townsend is not 4:01:47.640 --> 4:01:50.760 over yet. In a bit, we'll talk about the upcoming 4:01:50.840 --> 4:01:54.680 anti trans rally on September three. And there is this 4:01:55.080 --> 4:01:58.400 kind of absurd irony that's not uncommon when digging into 4:01:58.440 --> 4:02:01.960 these types of issues, at the types of talking points 4:02:02.120 --> 4:02:07.240 common among reactionaries, and all the complaints around violations of 4:02:07.280 --> 4:02:11.880 privacy just end up actually being enacted by the people 4:02:12.040 --> 4:02:15.000 who push these moral panics and so things that just 4:02:15.080 --> 4:02:18.200 continue to kind of escalate and escalate my understanding, And 4:02:18.280 --> 4:02:21.120 I wasn't there for this. Is that yesterday which was 4:02:23.360 --> 4:02:25.640 Amy Susan, I'm not sure if Julie Jaman was there, 4:02:25.800 --> 4:02:28.080 not because of course juli Jaman has been banned from 4:02:28.120 --> 4:02:31.240 the pool. UM showed up at the pool with a 4:02:31.360 --> 4:02:34.080 film crew and was trying to push their way into 4:02:34.120 --> 4:02:36.760 the locker room when patrons were there using the locker room, 4:02:37.080 --> 4:02:39.360 trying to film inside the locker room and got asked 4:02:39.400 --> 4:02:43.200 to leave. UM. So it's it's still continuing to escalate. 4:02:44.240 --> 4:02:46.440 One of the things that I've been noticing a lot, 4:02:46.520 --> 4:02:49.600 and it's something that for those of us who are 4:02:49.640 --> 4:02:53.000 more involved, this is kind of a you don't say moment, 4:02:53.160 --> 4:03:00.360 and it's the people who are coming in and making 4:03:00.440 --> 4:03:05.600 accusations and making attacks against the community are very much 4:03:06.320 --> 4:03:10.480 doing the exact thing that they're making accusations of. Uh. 4:03:11.600 --> 4:03:13.880 There was an issue the other day of the people 4:03:13.920 --> 4:03:19.200 who planned and hosted the protest at the council meeting 4:03:20.160 --> 4:03:23.280 going into the y with a camera crew and demanding 4:03:23.320 --> 4:03:26.720 to film the locker rooms while people were using them. UM. 4:03:27.240 --> 4:03:31.320 There's lots of accusations that have been thrown that we 4:03:31.640 --> 4:03:35.680 bust in people from Portland, and in reality, the main 4:03:35.720 --> 4:03:38.320 aggressors who were there on the fift in their group 4:03:38.440 --> 4:03:41.760 did come from Vancouver area. Or we're flown in from 4:03:41.800 --> 4:03:44.800 Texas or we're flown in from Texas. Yeah, Like, this 4:03:45.120 --> 4:03:48.520 was three hundred people who live within twenty minutes of 4:03:48.600 --> 4:03:54.200 Court towns and showed up because they care, and they 4:03:54.280 --> 4:03:57.360 had to fly people from as far as Pennsylvania to 4:03:57.640 --> 4:04:01.920 post an hour long press conference with twenty people. And 4:04:02.080 --> 4:04:05.840 so we're seeing that a lot recurring. The person organizing 4:04:05.880 --> 4:04:10.080 this upcoming action is also lives in Vancouver area and 4:04:10.480 --> 4:04:13.440 is inviting people from all over to come up and 4:04:14.560 --> 4:04:19.880 start fights here and try to get video of confrontations going. 4:04:20.920 --> 4:04:24.360 And everybody up here wants to just be left alone 4:04:24.400 --> 4:04:27.880 and live in peace, but they also want to show up, 4:04:28.840 --> 4:04:32.160 and they're kind of getting an opportunity to show up 4:04:32.560 --> 4:04:34.960 in the most low effort way. It's it's in your 4:04:35.000 --> 4:04:37.240 own town, you might as well show up. I remember 4:04:37.360 --> 4:04:40.520 a few weeks ago there was this headline from a 4:04:40.720 --> 4:04:44.200 federalist think piece that when a bit viral for being 4:04:44.320 --> 4:04:51.000 a big yike's almost mirroring the fascist framing of blood libel. 4:04:51.640 --> 4:04:55.800 If you replace quote the transgenders with quote the Jews, 4:04:56.760 --> 4:05:00.400 you'll see what I mean. The headline reads, quote the 4:05:00.520 --> 4:05:06.080 transgender movement is not just intolerant, it's barbaric and violent 4:05:06.560 --> 4:05:12.520 and it's coming for your children unquote, almost exclusively. Its 4:05:12.720 --> 4:05:16.680 sources are Twitter accounts like libs of TikTok and a 4:05:16.760 --> 4:05:20.000 few random turfs. And this is what we mean when 4:05:20.040 --> 4:05:23.160 we talk about how things that seem like they should 4:05:23.240 --> 4:05:28.760 just be insignificant Twitter bullshit actually do affect the world 4:05:29.080 --> 4:05:33.400 off of social media. This is how entire conversations on 4:05:33.520 --> 4:05:37.400 the validity of people's existence get formed and directed. Now, 4:05:38.600 --> 4:05:41.320 the last section of the Federalist story is about the 4:05:41.440 --> 4:05:45.120 Boston Children's Hospital, and if you listened to yesterday's episode 4:05:45.160 --> 4:05:47.320 of It could happen here, you can guess the kind 4:05:47.360 --> 4:05:52.160 of disinformation the article pedals, and many readers, many of 4:05:52.240 --> 4:05:55.880 whom are not on Twitter, will take whatever it says 4:05:55.920 --> 4:05:59.160 at face value. Same thing for Libs of TikTok stuff 4:05:59.320 --> 4:06:03.400 being boosted on Fox News. The majority of the Federalist 4:06:03.560 --> 4:06:07.680 think piece, though, is about Port Townsend and everything stemming 4:06:07.760 --> 4:06:10.840 out of the y m c A incident, and the 4:06:10.880 --> 4:06:15.320 whole article is as terrifying and fascistic as its headline. 4:06:16.080 --> 4:06:20.200 I remember seeing the Federalist article headline and just being like, Oh, 4:06:20.320 --> 4:06:22.920 here's another another piece doing the same thing, and I 4:06:22.960 --> 4:06:27.040 didn't realize it was about like this specific incident until 4:06:27.480 --> 4:06:31.000 much later and now. Yeah, it's the kind of it 4:06:31.080 --> 4:06:33.480 kind of does play into the idea that like, we 4:06:33.600 --> 4:06:35.640 know these things happen, you just don't expect them to 4:06:35.720 --> 4:06:39.040 happen like right where you are, until it's until it's 4:06:39.080 --> 4:06:43.440 until it's going on. Yeah, I've spent years screaming at 4:06:43.440 --> 4:06:46.960 a wall telling people that this is coming, and AH 4:06:48.000 --> 4:06:51.080 really hope that all of my preparation had been for 4:06:51.240 --> 4:06:54.800 nothing and it's happening in my hometown now and getting 4:06:54.880 --> 4:06:58.080 national media attention everything from you know, Ben Shapiro to 4:06:58.160 --> 4:07:02.960 Info Wars to interviews on Tucker Facting the Trump presidency, 4:07:03.160 --> 4:07:08.640 we were pretty much just gun nerds and UH had 4:07:08.760 --> 4:07:13.760 started a small little UH gun club and we're inviting 4:07:13.800 --> 4:07:16.800 our friends and our our local queer community up to 4:07:17.200 --> 4:07:22.160 to learn about that. And it went really quickly from 4:07:22.200 --> 4:07:24.960 that to people having more of an interest in the 4:07:25.400 --> 4:07:31.240 medical suffering teaching specifically UH stopped the Bleed and UH 4:07:32.040 --> 4:07:35.560 so after the Trump presidency was over, UM a lot 4:07:35.600 --> 4:07:38.080 of people dropped off and just the majority of the 4:07:38.120 --> 4:07:40.960 people that stuck around happened to be trans UM. But 4:07:41.120 --> 4:07:45.680 we continued offering these classes. We were hosting ones out 4:07:45.720 --> 4:07:49.720 here about the escalation, about stop the bleed, We're hosting 4:07:50.280 --> 4:07:55.160 the os on stuff. UM. I think with UM they're 4:07:55.240 --> 4:07:59.360 being such limited options for direct actions in the area, 4:07:59.400 --> 4:08:02.800 a lot of people were kind of naturally tending towards 4:08:03.360 --> 4:08:06.400 how can we better support our friends who live in 4:08:06.440 --> 4:08:09.400 areas that are doing direct actions, And we started getting 4:08:09.400 --> 4:08:12.640 a lot more interest in those kinds of support roles 4:08:12.680 --> 4:08:17.200 than medical training to de escalation, even things like emergency 4:08:17.280 --> 4:08:24.160 preparedness and food security. UM yeah UM. But because of that, 4:08:24.440 --> 4:08:27.360 we've just spent the last few years running these just 4:08:27.560 --> 4:08:32.880 a small group like wonderful people UM basically workshops on 4:08:33.000 --> 4:08:37.320 all these different subjects and built somewhat of a connection 4:08:37.400 --> 4:08:40.360 with the community, a bit of respect. So when this happened, 4:08:40.480 --> 4:08:42.920 we actually had that to draw on and we could 4:08:42.960 --> 4:08:48.360 really help enable people to organize themselves and create some 4:08:48.520 --> 4:08:51.520 form of unity. So it's not small groups of people 4:08:51.600 --> 4:08:54.520 coming in without a plan, but a large group of 4:08:54.560 --> 4:08:57.680 people showing up all at once. UM that we're not 4:08:57.800 --> 4:09:00.480 directly involved in any sort of lead a ship of 4:09:00.680 --> 4:09:05.640 it's just naturally organically happened, UM. But have really spent 4:09:05.760 --> 4:09:08.760 the last few years just feeling like Kok screaming at 4:09:08.760 --> 4:09:14.200 a wall. Um until this happened in our small town 4:09:14.520 --> 4:09:20.920 and completely unexpectedly, and now we're actually somewhat useful. Before 4:09:21.040 --> 4:09:23.120 we close out, we do need to talk about the 4:09:23.280 --> 4:09:27.920 upcoming anti trans rally planned for the afternoon of Saturday, 4:09:28.080 --> 4:09:34.040 September three at Pope Marine Park. Organizers are explicitly tied 4:09:34.120 --> 4:09:37.160 to the Proud Boys, and this rally is one of 4:09:37.200 --> 4:09:41.600 the most clear examples of how Turf's self described feminists 4:09:42.080 --> 4:09:46.720 or people just looking out for biological women's rights are 4:09:46.840 --> 4:09:51.160 perfectly willing to ally with fascists if it means hurting 4:09:51.320 --> 4:09:55.440 trans and queer people. The rally is billed as quote 4:09:55.960 --> 4:10:00.400 a rally for decency, stand up against men in woman's 4:10:00.520 --> 4:10:03.960 public pool locker rooms, and tell the city of Port 4:10:04.040 --> 4:10:08.320 Townsend to let Julie swim unquote Yeah. The guy who 4:10:08.400 --> 4:10:11.960 runs Common Sense Court Conservatives, a man named Robert Um. 4:10:12.520 --> 4:10:15.840 I always mess up his name m Zurfling. I think 4:10:15.880 --> 4:10:18.520 it is zurfing z r f I and g Um 4:10:19.120 --> 4:10:22.400 who's associated in some way with the Proud Boys and 4:10:22.600 --> 4:10:27.600 his associated with Roger Stone. He runs this blog called 4:10:27.640 --> 4:10:30.960 Common Sense Conservative. He is organizing something that's being billed 4:10:31.000 --> 4:10:34.680 as quote rally for decency unquote UM to be here 4:10:34.720 --> 4:10:38.280 in Port Townsend on the Labor Day weekend Saturday, which 4:10:38.360 --> 4:10:44.000 is the third and UM, it's unclear whether this is 4:10:44.000 --> 4:10:46.280 going to be a large event or a small one. 4:10:46.280 --> 4:10:49.080 They have not as of yesterday, pulled a permit for 4:10:49.280 --> 4:10:53.120 that UM, and there's some questions about, you know, if 4:10:53.120 --> 4:10:57.360 you're planning a large event, what what's that unfold? Like, Uh, 4:10:58.040 --> 4:11:01.240 Poor Johnson is a tourist community and at this time 4:11:01.280 --> 4:11:03.000 of year, we've got a lot of people in town 4:11:03.080 --> 4:11:07.320 over Labor Day weekend. UM, so a large Proud Boy 4:11:07.400 --> 4:11:10.240 rallies is kind of you know, it doesn't feel very comfortable. 4:11:10.760 --> 4:11:12.520 It's kind of the first kind of big instant where 4:11:12.520 --> 4:11:15.080 you've had these types of like you know, more kind 4:11:15.080 --> 4:11:19.600 of experienced activists on like the anti trans side or 4:11:19.640 --> 4:11:21.600 on you know, affiliate with Proud Boys or whatever kind 4:11:21.600 --> 4:11:24.600 of come in and try to make this problem inside 4:11:24.680 --> 4:11:28.560 the town. We've had little bits and pieces of stuff. Um, 4:11:28.920 --> 4:11:32.880 the Proud Boys or something kind of connected had a 4:11:33.160 --> 4:11:37.440 kind of truck drive through parade rally in sort of 4:11:37.520 --> 4:11:40.840 just prior to the election. UM that kind of drove 4:11:40.920 --> 4:11:43.040 through town and you know, with a bunch of big trucks, 4:11:43.160 --> 4:11:45.480 and I think some people were open carrying, and it 4:11:45.600 --> 4:11:48.840 was it was mostly a bunch of noise. UM. But 4:11:48.960 --> 4:11:51.920 it hasn't This is a very liberal community, UM, and 4:11:53.240 --> 4:11:56.800 it hasn't really hit us. This is also just for context. 4:11:56.880 --> 4:12:00.040 This is a town of ten thousand people and and 4:12:00.080 --> 4:12:02.720 it's the biggest town for you know, fifty miles in 4:12:02.800 --> 4:12:05.160 any direction. So it's not you know, it isn't like 4:12:05.200 --> 4:12:07.440 ten thousand people that's a suburb. This this is the 4:12:07.480 --> 4:12:12.080 big town. This is the county seat. UM. So it's 4:12:12.760 --> 4:12:15.160 We've been kind of insulated from a lot of things. 4:12:15.280 --> 4:12:17.200 You know, we had, you know, we definitely had some 4:12:17.320 --> 4:12:20.320 Black Lives Matter protests. We definitely had you know, we 4:12:20.760 --> 4:12:24.840 had a big women's march in sen but we haven't 4:12:24.920 --> 4:12:29.320 seen that kind of explosive clashing protests that you know, 4:12:29.560 --> 4:12:32.640 Seattle or Portland have. The far right is planning to 4:12:32.800 --> 4:12:37.000 mobilize people from around the Pacific Northwest, pulling from folks 4:12:37.160 --> 4:12:41.920 in Oregon and Idaho, and are expecting anywhere between fifty 4:12:42.000 --> 4:12:44.240 to a hundred people to show up on the anti 4:12:44.360 --> 4:12:49.120 trans side, especially people from Proud Boy and three percenter 4:12:49.200 --> 4:12:53.560 affiliated networks. One of the leaders of the Washington State 4:12:53.720 --> 4:12:57.360 three PC of militia, Eric Road, has stated that he 4:12:57.560 --> 4:13:00.520 will be present and is encouraging his fall blowers to 4:13:00.760 --> 4:13:05.000 join him, saying on telegram, quote, I don't care if 4:13:05.240 --> 4:13:07.960 five of you show up or fifty of you show up. 4:13:08.440 --> 4:13:12.000 I will always march against men staring at girls as 4:13:12.080 --> 4:13:15.440 young as eleven pulling off their swim trunks. It would 4:13:15.440 --> 4:13:18.280 be pretty cool if people could cancel their plans and 4:13:18.440 --> 4:13:23.000 show up to stand against child molesters. God said, if 4:13:23.040 --> 4:13:25.800 you even look back, I'll turn you into a pillar 4:13:25.880 --> 4:13:29.600 of salt. I wouldn't have looked back, but I never 4:13:29.680 --> 4:13:32.600 failed to answer the call to something so simple as 4:13:32.800 --> 4:13:35.200 don't stare at little girls when they take off their 4:13:35.280 --> 4:13:40.000 clothes unquote. He then goes on to do some unhinged 4:13:40.120 --> 4:13:45.280 rambling about federal observation and his commitment to God and country, 4:13:45.920 --> 4:13:49.440 but he ends that post by saying, quote, when I 4:13:49.600 --> 4:13:56.040 get threatened by Antifa, all matched Antifa unquote, which I 4:13:56.200 --> 4:13:58.360 don't even know what that means. The grammar on that 4:13:58.560 --> 4:14:02.880 is very confusing. Another telegram post from a three percenter 4:14:02.960 --> 4:14:07.160 account reads quote calling all patriots, all proud boys, all 4:14:07.240 --> 4:14:11.560 three percenters, all lone wolves, We roll out to Port 4:14:11.640 --> 4:14:15.640 Townsend on September three. Hope to see you there. We 4:14:15.800 --> 4:14:18.920 got proud boys and three pers rolling in from all 4:14:19.080 --> 4:14:23.240 over unquote. The three percenter crew is also planning a 4:14:23.640 --> 4:14:29.560 pre and post rally barbecue party on Friday and Saturday 4:14:29.680 --> 4:14:34.760 night at Wildby Island, which sounds like an awful time. 4:14:34.880 --> 4:14:38.840 That sounds like a horrible party. Our major concerns going 4:14:38.960 --> 4:14:43.760 forward is if protesters keep coming out here, UM, that 4:14:44.280 --> 4:14:46.680 the right wing will get more footage that they can 4:14:46.880 --> 4:14:51.640 spin UM, bringing more attentions on this, bringing more harm 4:14:51.720 --> 4:14:55.280 to the trans community across the country. UM. That the 4:14:55.400 --> 4:14:59.880 right wing will attack someone locally around here. UM. Or 4:15:00.160 --> 4:15:03.760 that all of the spun footage will inspire someone from 4:15:04.280 --> 4:15:06.240 outside of the area or someone just sitting in the 4:15:06.280 --> 4:15:10.800 woods who will come and pause serious harm to a 4:15:10.920 --> 4:15:14.960 large group of our our local trans community. UM. And 4:15:16.000 --> 4:15:18.960 our intent is to be there to have some sort 4:15:19.000 --> 4:15:22.320 of response via medical or otherwise. Trying to think of 4:15:22.360 --> 4:15:26.400 how to say this UM. I've lived here on and 4:15:26.480 --> 4:15:34.320 off most of my life and had started UM working 4:15:34.440 --> 4:15:42.840 towards transitioning, but due to the national political situation, specifically 4:15:43.400 --> 4:15:49.160 when the former president temporarily got rid of trans protections 4:15:49.200 --> 4:15:53.840 and medical canceled all that changed my medical records back 4:15:54.160 --> 4:15:57.760 and have been presenting as a cis white dude since then, 4:15:58.760 --> 4:16:02.240 specifically because of the amount of privilege that gives me 4:16:03.480 --> 4:16:09.280 and having a trans partner who is working on their 4:16:09.320 --> 4:16:14.800 transition in this town while this is happening is hitting 4:16:14.880 --> 4:16:20.400 home to a level that I was completely unprepared for. 4:16:21.120 --> 4:16:24.880 And the emotional impact that all of this has been 4:16:24.920 --> 4:16:28.560 having on me, and the fact that it's not just 4:16:28.920 --> 4:16:34.320 here but that this is getting national attention is something 4:16:34.400 --> 4:16:37.080 I'm still trying to wrap my head around. And I'm 4:16:37.160 --> 4:16:40.760 just really thankful for all of the networks that we've 4:16:40.800 --> 4:16:45.440 built and all of the community, the local community, the 4:16:45.480 --> 4:16:49.320 broader Washington community, all the people who have just shown 4:16:49.440 --> 4:16:52.800 so much support for us, and it makes me feel 4:16:52.800 --> 4:16:55.760 like there is there is a future where we can 4:16:56.520 --> 4:16:59.600 just be left in peace. And that is the story 4:16:59.840 --> 4:17:03.560 of what's been happening in Port Townsend over the course 4:17:03.680 --> 4:17:07.200 of the past month and what could happen in the 4:17:07.280 --> 4:17:10.520 next few days. I'm going to close this episode with 4:17:10.680 --> 4:17:14.960 Clementine discussing the details of her go fund me. The 4:17:15.040 --> 4:17:19.640 go fund me is sort of a general transition fund 4:17:19.800 --> 4:17:25.120 for me. I originally made it specifically for two surgeries. 4:17:25.640 --> 4:17:29.920 I low balled the amount greatly because I felt like 4:17:30.000 --> 4:17:32.240 if I asked for too much, I wouldn't get anything. 4:17:32.400 --> 4:17:35.600 And I still got nothing for a long time. At 4:17:35.720 --> 4:17:38.800 some point when the articles were coming out, one of 4:17:38.840 --> 4:17:43.240 the nationals used one of the national articles used my 4:17:43.400 --> 4:17:46.440 go fund me as a source um to find out 4:17:46.520 --> 4:17:50.600 more about me. But that got my go fund me 4:17:50.640 --> 4:17:54.120 out there um and a lot of different people started 4:17:54.120 --> 4:17:57.880 picking up on it and spreading it. I actually didn't 4:17:57.920 --> 4:18:01.640 do much at all to to help that. I it 4:18:01.960 --> 4:18:04.640 was never something on my mind. The go fund me. 4:18:04.960 --> 4:18:07.600 It just happened and I looked at it one day 4:18:07.640 --> 4:18:11.800 and I thought, that's strange. I have more donations than 4:18:11.880 --> 4:18:16.040 the last time I checked, and it was pretty empowering 4:18:16.360 --> 4:18:21.280 to see that, or or more hopeful um. But now now, 4:18:21.800 --> 4:18:24.840 so I talked about the go fund me was originally 4:18:25.440 --> 4:18:29.520 for two specific surgeries, and I lobald the amount UM. 4:18:30.040 --> 4:18:34.080 I later revised. Actually, it took me a couple of 4:18:34.160 --> 4:18:37.120 times in a lot of consideration because I didn't want 4:18:37.120 --> 4:18:40.800 to feel like I was cheating the people that were 4:18:40.880 --> 4:18:44.760 being gracious to me, which I'm not trying to be. 4:18:45.520 --> 4:18:50.960 But yeah, uh, finding out that things cost more than 4:18:51.280 --> 4:18:54.960 I thought. But you know, it's way better than it 4:18:55.120 --> 4:18:59.080 was before. And to find it, I mean, I'm pretty 4:18:59.080 --> 4:19:01.000 sure it's the first thing that comes up when you 4:19:01.040 --> 4:19:04.200 look up my name now, which is better than Fox 4:19:04.320 --> 4:19:09.720 News is video or or a daily Wire article or whatever. 4:19:09.800 --> 4:19:14.080 The big thing that would pop up otherwise is but um, yeah, 4:19:14.560 --> 4:19:19.200 it's called Clementine's Transition fund fund go fund me. You 4:19:19.320 --> 4:19:22.480 can find the transition go fund me at go fund 4:19:22.520 --> 4:19:27.840 me dot com slash s r s for Clem and 4:19:28.200 --> 4:19:31.000 that link will be in the description, or you can 4:19:31.040 --> 4:19:35.640 just search Clementine's Transition Fund on your search engine of choice. 4:19:36.680 --> 4:19:40.960 See you on the other side. 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