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Speaker 1: Chris and our guest nasse Hi. Hello, Hello, welcome, thank you,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the show. So you're you have a new

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Speaker 1: podcast called Partition. Explain what that's about? Yes, So Partition

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Speaker 1: into other people's histories. Totally wow. Um, I for we

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Speaker 1: confirmed you as a guess that you're good at talking,

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Speaker 1: and this confirmed that. Thank you so much. You were

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Speaker 1: babbled a lot, so I was like, opinion, the perfect

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Speaker 1: podcast guest like this period. Um, But I really I

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Speaker 1: appreciate the both effort and like emotional energy that goes

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Speaker 1: into making a show like this because I can kind

436
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Speaker 1: of relate when I talk about the Middle East stuff,

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Speaker 1: like it's really really hard. So I appreciate your time

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Speaker 1: and to learn more about the partition and what that means. Um,

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Speaker 1: can you tell the audience where they can find you?

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Speaker 1: And the podcast obviously is where you can find it.

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Speaker 1: But let's I'm going to hand it over to you.

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Speaker 1: Here you go, okay. Um. So Partition podcast on augustive teen.

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Speaker 1: You can find it wherever you get your podcasts, um

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Speaker 1: sucially the I Heart Radio app. Um. You can find

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Speaker 1: me on Instagram and Twitter, Instagram at Nahazie's Twitter at

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Speaker 1: Nahazie's thirteen. And you can find Partition on Twitter at

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Speaker 1: Didition podcast on Instagram. Nice um on EA, you mentioned

448
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Speaker 1: a upcoming project you want to do that's also about

449
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:04,919
Speaker 1: like a similar topic. Yeah, what that is? Yes, something

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00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:08,200
Speaker 1: that I really wanted to do. And this is another

451
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,399
Speaker 1: thing that we're kind of talking about of like people

452
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:14,639
Speaker 1: not talking about like everything, like encompassing everything in like

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Speaker 1: one uh story. So um, something very it happened in

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Speaker 1: when East Pakislan became Bangladesh. Um and a lot of

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Speaker 1: my mom's families from there, My grandma UM and a

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Speaker 1: lot of her family currently live there. And it's again

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00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:37,679
Speaker 1: very similar to Partition, a lot of violence. UM. And

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Speaker 1: that story, to me, UM deserves its own time and respect.

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Speaker 1: And I remember when I first talked about partition, They're like, oh,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna talk about this, and I'm like, I want

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Speaker 1: to mention it. But it is too just kind of

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Speaker 1: throw into what I'm doing because it deserves way more

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Speaker 1: than that. So that is another story that I want

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Speaker 1: to tell. And it actually celebrated it's fiftie anniversary last year. UM.

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Speaker 1: And from my understanding, it's all memorials in either India

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Speaker 1: or Pakistan that commemorates, not commemorates, but showcases like how

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Speaker 1: partition was. Like we don't you know, there isn't like

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Speaker 1: a like here all the people who died, or here's

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Speaker 1: this or here's like the statue of a bird or

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Speaker 1: that that you know that people. There's no like communal

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Speaker 1: place of grief. And it is my understand that Bangladesh

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Speaker 1: really does have these things. I believe there's a Liberation

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Speaker 1: museum and statues and there is a Partition museum, but

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Speaker 1: it is not a government sanction thing. It's privately owned.

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Speaker 1: And again it with it being in India, UM, there's

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Speaker 1: also a lot of barriers, like it's not a place

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Speaker 1: I can visit um and so UM that is something

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Speaker 1: I'm actually trying to go to Bangladesh UM this year

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Speaker 1: and it's been a little bit difficult, I think, trying

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Speaker 1: to obtain her visa. But I hope she gets to

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Speaker 1: go soon, and I hope I get to go with her.

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Speaker 1: But um, yeah, that's other stories that I want to

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Speaker 1: tell because I feel like it is starting to kind

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Speaker 1: of people are starting to understand that. But I feel

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Speaker 1: like one is just not there at all. Um it's

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Speaker 1: I think, something that people seem to just forget about,

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Speaker 1: and it's just crazy to think. I'm like, it's that's

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Speaker 1: not that long from like seventy five years, like fifty years.

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Speaker 1: That's not a long time. Um. So it's just like

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Speaker 1: really insane when you think about it that way, and um,

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Speaker 1: especially when you think of how ancient these and just

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Speaker 1: how new these places are. UM. So yeah, that's something

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Speaker 1: I would definitely love to tell. Um. I would love

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Speaker 1: for my next project to be on that, um but

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Speaker 1: that decision is not up to me. So hopefully, um

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Speaker 1: hopefully it'll work out. Yeah, I really hope so too. UM.

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Speaker 1: I do really appreciate, I'm sure everyone else does, to

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Speaker 1: the fact that you're talking about things that are just

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Speaker 1: glossed over or not even mentioned. Usually I hate that,

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Speaker 1: like it's usually our job to educate people. But in

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Speaker 1: the meantime, you're doing a fantastic job and I can't

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Speaker 1: wait to see the other projects you do. But obviously

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Speaker 1: listen to Partition everybody first. UM, yeah, that's the show. Hello,

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Speaker 1: this is it could happen here. And today it's me

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Speaker 1: James and I'm joined by and Diego and we are

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Speaker 1: talking about San Diego's lying there and how he likes

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Speaker 1: to punch down on poor people even though he promised

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Speaker 1: he wouldn't. So joining me today, I'm gonna ask you

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Speaker 1: guys to want to introduce yourselves. It can spend a

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Speaker 1: little bit about a background you have in the area

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Speaker 1: and then we'll get into it because there's a lot

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Speaker 1: to talk about. So, Mandy, would you like to go first?

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Speaker 1: H I'm Mandy. I am I'm a homeless advocate and

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Speaker 1: mostly do um on the groundwork mutually and then I

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Speaker 1: advocate for them as much as I can almost city municipalities. Um,

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Speaker 1: and just organize that way great, And Colleen, you can

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Speaker 1: go next to us. Okay, Yeah, my name is Colin Cusack.

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Speaker 1: I'm a criminal defense attorney and I uh represent uh

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Speaker 1: perhaps my fifty homeless person's pro bono right now who

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Speaker 1: are sighted with the crimes of survival such as encroachment

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Speaker 1: and over So I can challenge and have them to

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Speaker 1: quote unconstitutional McConnell. I'm an advocate for people who are

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Speaker 1: living unsheltered or homeless, and I've been working on this

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Speaker 1: for about thirteen years. First part working within this system

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Speaker 1: as a philanthropist, advocate, volunteers, former vice chair of the

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Speaker 1: Regional Task Force on the Homeless and founding was a

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Speaker 1: founding member of a local philanthropy group called Funders Togethered

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Speaker 1: and Homelessness San Diego. I have participated on quite a

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Speaker 1: few initiatives Blitz Week where we housed about a hundred

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Speaker 1: people in three days, Cities initiative where we worked on

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Speaker 1: any veteran and chronic homelessness created the regions first by

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Speaker 1: nameless for veterans. Worked on a lot of CEOC continuum

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Speaker 1: of care initiatives such as how we score projects to

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Speaker 1: get homelessness funding. H long communicated with our endless elected Yeah,

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Speaker 1: who's an mayor who's made so many promises over the

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Speaker 1: years and so many claims on homelessness. People just doubt

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Speaker 1: almost everything he says about homelessness at this point. Rightfully so,

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Speaker 1: and uh probably most I on the ground advocacy now

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Speaker 1: where I do a lot of in Camas support work

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Speaker 1: with of course unsheltered people, filmed the police around in

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Speaker 1: camera sweeps and enforcement of of laws at target and

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Speaker 1: continue that till this day. Nice Yeah, containing a lot

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Speaker 1: of work on the street. And then LEVI last been

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Speaker 1: at least ed Hi you guys, I'm levionly with homeful Solutions, UM.

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Speaker 1: I have lived experience and being homeless. UM. I also

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Speaker 1: worked with a group about the kids called Lived Experience

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Speaker 1: Advisors here in San Diego. UM we try to hold

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Speaker 1: him accountable UM. And uh we're also able to advocate

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Speaker 1: for uh a lot of what these people need in

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Speaker 1: the recovery process, just beyond like, UM, housing, which is

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00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 1: the main thing you know that uh, the real estate crisis. UM.

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00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 1: And then I also work as a housing navigator downtown. UM.

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Speaker 1: So I work with a case load of about two clients, UM,

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00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 1: about sixty or seventy of them. I would say, have

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Speaker 1: UM s M I s UM really in like uh

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Speaker 1: kind of one of the main areas of town that UM,

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Speaker 1: you know, we have a lot of these people living outdoors.

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Speaker 1: So UM, I'm at kind of the front lines of

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00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 1: it every day when it comes to people needed to

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00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:48,839
Speaker 1: get a show one that they cry to um, you

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00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 1: know when when they think that it's a you know,

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Speaker 1: when they don't understand that it's the system that's broken.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm the one that they get yelled at,

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Speaker 1: but that gets yelled at, but you know, they think

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm not doing an off, you know, and be

566
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Speaker 1: able to see all sides of it and see the

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Speaker 1: promises that get made. And I literally have clients come

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Speaker 1: in and say, oh, hey, look everything's gonna be fine

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Speaker 1: because the mayor just said this week he's opening a

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Speaker 1: new shelter. And I'm like, all right, let's do the math.

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00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 1: That's a right, And there's eight thousand homes people in

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Speaker 1: the county, so you know, and so um, yeah, I

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00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 1: have to kind of break down that. It's a good responsibility,

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Speaker 1: I guess, to to break down the system to my

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Speaker 1: clients so that they can understand how broken as uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, me being able to teach some patients to

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Speaker 1: get them through the process too. So yeah that's me. Yeah,

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00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 1: that's good, thank you. And so yeah, I want to

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Speaker 1: get into because it consistently, I think, like every time,

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Speaker 1: like I like to ride my bike around a lot,

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Speaker 1: I'm always riding around town. Often are running to people

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Speaker 1: who are in distress, right, especially when we ride past

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Speaker 1: the hospital, will do something we can get into and

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Speaker 1: they'll be like, oh, just just call up what you

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Speaker 1: sort of out with a shelter like and then they'll

586
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Speaker 1: have this horrible moment of realization where they're like, oh shit,

587
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:10,919
Speaker 1: like there's nowhere for this person to go. So let's

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Speaker 1: talk a little bit about Todd Gloria. Right, Todd Gloria's

589
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,280
Speaker 1: are there. He's a Democrat, he ran on a very

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Speaker 1: progressed uh and what he's done has been extremely reactionary.

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Speaker 1: And I wanted to start just by reading some Todd tweets.

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Speaker 1: Todds a poster um, perhaps not not as much of

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Speaker 1: a poster as Rachel Richel laying his I guess Sian's manager.

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Speaker 1: I think she has the soul of a poster and

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00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:43,839
Speaker 1: will attack people working like Michael to help people, which

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00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:48,439
Speaker 1: is distressing to see. But I wanted to I wanted

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Speaker 1: to talk, so I've got a few tweets here. June. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I will be the first to enforce the law against

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Speaker 1: those sheltered around sheltered who break any law, but I

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Speaker 1: will not use our code to harass and criminalize sick

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Speaker 1: and poor people. That's the number one organ bean. What

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Speaker 1: if we chose to take the resources we used to

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Speaker 1: criminalize the homeless and redirect them to building housing instead.

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Speaker 1: What if Todd um Janu in his tag Michael in

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Speaker 1: this one. Maybe right, But the sad fact is that

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Speaker 1: this before the p I t C. That's the point

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Speaker 1: in time count of un housed people. It happens all

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00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:29,720
Speaker 1: the time. It's unfair to the unsheltered and too STPD.

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Speaker 1: My goal is to end chronic homelessness. The only way

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Speaker 1: to do this is with permanent supportive housing, not criminalization. Right,

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00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:42,320
Speaker 1: But that's not what you did, Californians of all political views. No,

612
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 1: a homelessness crisis is a serious problem. More housing and services,

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Speaker 1: not criminalization. It's past time to tackle this problem. I

614
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 1: could keep going with these things, but I will get

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Speaker 1: the pictures. So Todge talked a lot about how we

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Speaker 1: don't need to criminalize poverty, how we don't need to

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Speaker 1: criminalize living on the street. Uh, and then has proceeded

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00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 1: to criminalize living on the street. Right, and so maybe

619
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 1: we can just start with these happened pretty much consistently.

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Speaker 1: I think since Todd took office and UH, people might

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Speaker 1: be familiar with a little bit, like they may have

622
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:21,359
Speaker 1: seen some of the bikes being thrown away that that

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00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 1: was like Michael had a video of that which which

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Speaker 1: had how many Oh gosh, yeah, it's a lot of

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00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:31,879
Speaker 1: people have seen that. But perhaps one if you would

626
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 1: like to describe like exactly like how a sweep goes

627
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 1: down right, Like like there's there's a process of posting

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00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 1: sometimes a process of posting notices. But this is because

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Speaker 1: people are encroaching, Like what's the sort of justification for it?

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Speaker 1: And then what does that look like for people on

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Speaker 1: the ground every fourteenth of this year, but Glorious started

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Speaker 1: his sweep enforcement. Um. It was unspoken during COVID, Uh,

633
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 1: they were just killing people with COVID and instead of

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00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 1: my police, although the police were doing so this this

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Speaker 1: what the police do at the sweeps as they use

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00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 1: a series of unconstitutional ordinances city ordinances only existing in

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Speaker 1: the city of San Diego. UM. And these unconstitutional ordinances

638
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:31,240
Speaker 1: taken together eagle for um, anybody to exist in public space,

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00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:35,880
Speaker 1: so me, our mothers, our children, anybody in public space

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00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 1: can be ticketed for these violations because they're so overbroad.

641
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:43,840
Speaker 1: For example, standing on a sidewalk, just being there on

642
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 1: a sidewalk, UM will be enough to get you a

643
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:51,760
Speaker 1: citation issued if you can't prove you have a house

644
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 1: to live in. UM. These laws, like I said, they're

645
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 1: written over broad. They apply to everyone. Use their discretion

646
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 1: to only use them against or persons. The Vehicle Habitation

647
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:06,799
Speaker 1: Ordinance UM lists a series of items that if they're

648
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 1: found in your car, police could use those to arrest you.

649
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 1: And those items it's like food, water, trash. So everybody

650
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 1: with food, water, or trash. It doesn't have to be

651
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 1: all three, just one of them. UM could be the

652
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:33,280
Speaker 1: objected to arrested, have their comfort, have their taken to shelter,

653
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:38,720
Speaker 1: having their children taken to CPS, and all because UM,

654
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 1: the city wants to come after poor people with with ordinances. UM.

655
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 1: So here's the fund. These ordinances can be charged either

656
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 1: as misdemeanors or infractions. Mayor Glory announced a progressive ordinance

657
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 1: scheme which means on day one, say Monday of the week,

658
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 1: the individal jewel. On day two, the individual is issued

659
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 1: a infraction citation. That infraction citation gives them a day

660
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 1: to appear months down the road UM to contest the case.

661
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 1: But the very next day, they can be issued a misdemeanor.

662
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 1: That misdemeanor station also has a date months down the

663
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 1: road the resolution and then UM gave four. They can

664
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 1: be arrested and taken into custody UM all without ever

665
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 1: having a day and UM the citations, if there are

666
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:40,800
Speaker 1: issued to people in Midway or downtown San Diego, direct

667
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 1: them to appear in Claremont Mesa. It's about twelve miles away.

668
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 1: These are individuals that have mobility issues. They can't get

669
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 1: to and from court can't They can't really get to

670
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 1: and from the end of the street very well without

671
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 1: police starting to take away their property. Court won't allow

672
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:57,720
Speaker 1: them to bring their property in with them. The buses

673
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:01,280
Speaker 1: won't allow them to bring their property on the buses.

674
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 1: So they have to make a choice. Do they all

675
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 1: the remaining property that they have in the world to

676
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:11,759
Speaker 1: go to court to defend against the charge that they're

677
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 1: really don't have the The police can cite either as

678
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 1: a misdemeanor infraction, but when they sit as an edule

679
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 1: doesn't get UM an appointed attorney and UM nor jury

680
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 1: trial and so UM the punishment the issuance of the

681
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 1: citation becomes the punishment process, we're just to get to

682
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 1: court and take care of your responsibilities becomes a chore,

683
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 1: even if later it's dismissed. We found out through public

684
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:49,360
Speaker 1: records requests that of the misdemeanors that are being cited

685
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 1: are so people aren't getting their attempt, their their opportunity

686
00:42:56,560 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 1: to defend themselves in court. They're all being dismissed. Um.

687
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 1: So if the city was was serious about believing that

688
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:07,360
Speaker 1: these individuals were committing criminal offenses, and they wouldn't be

689
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 1: dismissing them after of them after they were were issued.

690
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:17,319
Speaker 1: So colleens talking about the the the laws or the

691
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 1: codes that are used to used during enforcement sweeps of

692
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 1: people out here on the streets. So the police go

693
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 1: out and you codes and municipal codes, two right people

694
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:36,439
Speaker 1: tickets and eventually take them to jail. That's just one

695
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 1: kind of sweep. That's the enforcement sweeps. There's also sweeps

696
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:47,320
Speaker 1: or abatement sweeps. We call them homeless and CABA sweeps

697
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 1: or homeless community sweeps where per settlement with past lawsuits,

698
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,800
Speaker 1: the city has to post three hour seventy two notices

699
00:43:56,480 --> 00:44:02,840
Speaker 1: in areas. Then police and Environmental Services and clean up

700
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 1: cruise and they'll throw away all your belongings if you're

701
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 1: not there, So that's another kind of sweep. So there's

702
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 1: actually two kinds of sweeps. There's these clean up sweeps

703
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 1: where they throw away your belongings, and then there's the

704
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 1: enforcement sweeps where they just go out with sometimes oh gosh, Colleen,

705
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,919
Speaker 1: we've probably seen as many as fifteen maybe fifteen plus

706
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:29,800
Speaker 1: police go out to ticket people in a particular homeless community.

707
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 1: So and just to the ringer with all these citations

708
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:40,319
Speaker 1: that Colleen went through. Yeah, and then preps leave. Are

709
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 1: you familiar with the system, right? I think maybe the

710
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 1: the idea here is that the police are supposed to

711
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:48,399
Speaker 1: offer them shelter, right, if they asked a shelter, they're

712
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,880
Speaker 1: supposed to offer it to them. Can you just exp

713
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:57,360
Speaker 1: shelter could be extremely difficult or impossible for people to access. Yeah. Absolutely,

714
00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 1: And then I'll tell you kind of some of the

715
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 1: consequences that UM people face even or as a result

716
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 1: of this. But um so basically like let me paint

717
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 1: the picture for you. So, UM, our location is a

718
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 1: have any housing here on site? Um? And uh so

719
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:19,319
Speaker 1: the clients will typically there's a line out the gate

720
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:21,240
Speaker 1: when we get here at eight o'clock in the morning.

721
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 1: At eight o'clock in the morning until nine o'clock, all

722
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 1: I do is shelter refer that's everybody that's coming in

723
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:30,360
Speaker 1: the door that wants to get a shelter bed for

724
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 1: that night that night. Right, we're doing this at eight

725
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning. And UM. Oftentimes I will get

726
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:40,919
Speaker 1: one or two. Some days I don't get anyone into

727
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 1: shelter um clock. All of those beds are full. And

728
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 1: that's what they report back to me, is the service provider,

729
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:50,359
Speaker 1: right is is at nine o'clock in the morning, there's

730
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 1: no more shelter beds. Um. And uh. On top of

731
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 1: that very thing to him mentioned too is like you know,

732
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:05,840
Speaker 1: the police are supposed to offer them shelter, but um

733
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 1: we have like some kind of like conglomerates as far

734
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 1: as organizations go in the shelter space. UM. So if

735
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 1: a client is for some reason not allowed to go back, UM,

736
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:18,399
Speaker 1: that's one pretty much forever um and be it could

737
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:20,959
Speaker 1: be something like behavior like they got anxiety and yelled

738
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 1: at somebody, right, or it could be uh, someone who

739
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 1: can't complete their A d l S as they call it, UM,

740
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 1: or like an incontinence issue. Um, So there's times yes

741
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:34,239
Speaker 1: it is sanitary and medically necessary for you to use

742
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 1: this little bottle or whatever. But then the shelter will

743
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 1: then kick them out and not let them return for

744
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 1: that kind of thing. So by nine o'clock, the shelter

745
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 1: beds are full. Um. In the beginning when playing, they

746
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:50,720
Speaker 1: were doing their sweeps real early. Um. Now they're doing

747
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:53,879
Speaker 1: their sweeps um after the time that I'm being told

748
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 1: as a service provider that the shelters are already full.

749
00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 1: And um. And on top of that, our shelter her system,

750
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:06,400
Speaker 1: you're there during the day, right, So some of these

751
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:09,760
Speaker 1: people that they're taking their stuff and throwing it away

752
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 1: are actually in shelter. You know, they just had to

753
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:15,879
Speaker 1: take their belongings with them back to the streets where

754
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 1: everyone can see them every day. And and um. Recently,

755
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:22,400
Speaker 1: I had a client who we had spent like a

756
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 1: month and a half trying to get him in the

757
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 1: shelter every single day and it wasn't going through. Finally

758
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:32,760
Speaker 1: we got him in the shelter, and um a ticket

759
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:37,279
Speaker 1: for encroachment that you know, was not paid and he

760
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 1: didn't go to court. So even though he was in

761
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 1: shelter in the middle of the day, the police officers

762
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:44,279
Speaker 1: stopped him. They arrested him for his warrant. He was

763
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 1: in there all weekend and he lost a shelter. Then, Yeah,

764
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:52,759
Speaker 1: so that's and perhaps you and Mandy could explain then,

765
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:55,319
Speaker 1: like some of the things, because yeah, under the guys,

766
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:58,480
Speaker 1: if I guess a clean up or a bait call it,

767
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 1: like often that actively stripping people of the things that

768
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 1: they need to access shelter, to access housing, to transport

769
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 1: themselves around, right, And just what if you want to

770
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 1: take on like what this means. M Well, they'll you know,

771
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 1: they do it under the guys that we're gonna you know,

772
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 1: we're cleaning up the area. UM. But they will drag

773
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 1: entire tent people's belongings and put them in the compactor.

774
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 1: They won't go through them. They never look. Oftentimes there's

775
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 1: medication and their ideas, paperwork, things that you know, people

776
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:36,920
Speaker 1: have to have to survive. UM. You know, people can't

777
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:42,280
Speaker 1: get have identification. It's really difficult for them to get identification.

778
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:44,840
Speaker 1: UM living on the streets. You know, it's it's a

779
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:50,439
Speaker 1: process and that process UM sets outreach workers back. So

780
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 1: you know you've got an outreach worker who may have

781
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:57,240
Speaker 1: got them an i D and you know they've taken

782
00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 1: their UM. It's called the espadat when they're entered into

783
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 1: the how sing system and they're waiting a housing match

784
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 1: and then their i D and everything gets thrown away.

785
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 1: So then the outreach worker has to take time to

786
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:12,400
Speaker 1: go back their i D when they could be helping

787
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 1: you know, someone else get set up to maybe get

788
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:20,399
Speaker 1: into housing. UM. You know they don't, they don't look

789
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:23,840
Speaker 1: through the things. This causes UM so much trauma for

790
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 1: these folks. I've seen so a lot of times with

791
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:32,720
Speaker 1: sweeps UM. Sometimes I say, they'll allow people to gather

792
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:36,360
Speaker 1: their things and move them and then they'll sweep the area.

793
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:43,360
Speaker 1: I've seen times when they have had things, they moved

794
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 1: their things and then the police surround their things while

795
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 1: people are standing there and they place their things in

796
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 1: front of them while they are begging for their things,

797
00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 1: and they them and they will put them in the

798
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:02,319
Speaker 1: track compact or in front of them and it's I mean,

799
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 1: the only way that you can view that is it's

800
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 1: just punishment, like you're not you know, you're out here,

801
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 1: you're poor, we don't have many options for you. But

802
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 1: We're going to do this to deter you because we

803
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:15,279
Speaker 1: just don't want to see you here. Yeah, Like I

804
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:17,840
Speaker 1: remember I was talking to someone downtown a couple of

805
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 1: weeks ago and stop to give some folks some water,

806
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:24,399
Speaker 1: and like, this is the ship I chose to bring

807
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 1: with me, Like I didn't. You know, it's not like

808
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 1: I could take everything, And these are the things that

809
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:30,279
Speaker 1: I wanted to keep because they were special to me.

810
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 1: And yet now now they're being trashed. Indeed, I think

811
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:40,280
Speaker 1: a person was thrown in it's right, yeah, like inside

812
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 1: their tent and just fucking unbelievable. And so, yeah, we've

813
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 1: established these sweeps are cruel. We've established that there's not

814
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 1: really anywhere for people to go, and that they don't

815
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:58,799
Speaker 1: they don't provide a lasting solution to homelessness. They just

816
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:02,319
Speaker 1: they just move people around and make it harder for them.

817
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 1: And so one of the things that we do in

818
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 1: San Diego is that we we have this thing quote

819
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:09,320
Speaker 1: a point in time count right, and I think the

820
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 1: students at the sweeps were increased in certain areas around

821
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:17,359
Speaker 1: the point in time counts. Is what if you want

822
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 1: to explain what that count like is and does? Yeah,

823
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:25,279
Speaker 1: so the Point in Time count really only captures, like

824
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:29,319
Speaker 1: one night out of the year, people experiencing homelessness. Um,

825
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:33,360
Speaker 1: there was a couple of ostables. Um that process this

826
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 1: year was particularly really cold that night. Um there were

827
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 1: some tech glitches that should have been worked out way

828
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:44,880
Speaker 1: more in advance. UM. But UM, that really only pictures

829
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:49,880
Speaker 1: like takes capture of one night. The data I like

830
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 1: to often refer to because it just feels more realistic

831
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 1: to me is um our t fh Um states that

832
00:51:57,080 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 1: in any given year, there's thirty thousand people seeking assistance

833
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 1: for homelessness. So are point in time count you know,

834
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:09,279
Speaker 1: shows one night. Um, there is data being collected all

835
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:11,800
Speaker 1: year round. So at the point in time count, you

836
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:14,479
Speaker 1: have a lot of volunteers, UM go out very early

837
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:18,839
Speaker 1: in the morning. UM, they have them count the population

838
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 1: to some interviews with them real quick. Um. The interviews

839
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:28,320
Speaker 1: are very personal. UM. You know it's it's it's not

840
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 1: necessarily something somebody wants to wake up and answer at

841
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:37,400
Speaker 1: five am. But we found some people that were you know, UM,

842
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 1: but that's that's the point in time count and a

843
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:44,280
Speaker 1: nutshell Okay, And then like, what's I know that downtown

844
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:46,920
Speaker 1: I think the downtown partnership collects our own data, right,

845
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:49,880
Speaker 1: because the data we have is very unreliable, what's the

846
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 1: best guess at people like maybe in the city sheltered

847
00:52:54,680 --> 00:53:02,360
Speaker 1: at at this time, over fifteen hundred unsheltered homelessness, meaning

848
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:04,920
Speaker 1: that they're not in a shelter or you know, some

849
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:07,920
Speaker 1: kind of program, okay, in just and that's just in

850
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:10,879
Speaker 1: downtown San Diego, not the whole county, okay, yeah, yeah,

851
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:13,239
Speaker 1: So downtown San Diego, for people not familiar, is a

852
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:16,799
Speaker 1: pretty small part of a very large county, right and

853
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 1: with I think San Diego has the highest ratio of

854
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:26,280
Speaker 1: average income to property prices anywhere in the country now costly,

855
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 1: it's incredibly unaffordable. And so this has led unfortunately but

856
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:37,480
Speaker 1: probably pretty predictably to a number of deaths on our streets,

857
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:42,399
Speaker 1: right and for four last week, for in a seven

858
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 1: day period this August is it's hot. It's it's hot

859
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:52,359
Speaker 1: for San Diego right now. And despite this, we've seen

860
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:56,520
Speaker 1: this just like incredibly callous response from the city. I

861
00:53:56,560 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 1: guess we've seen Todd for instance, to Gloria, who's on

862
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:04,760
Speaker 1: there giving a speech in front of a shelter where

863
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:09,279
Speaker 1: somebody's remains were taken away a few hours before and

864
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:11,880
Speaker 1: not mentioning that someone had just passed away in that place.

865
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:16,880
Speaker 1: I want to talk gap between rhetoric and reality, because

866
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 1: if you were only learning about this from the city

867
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 1: and towards Twitter account, you'd think that it was fined

868
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 1: right because he's posting about these new shelter pits. But

869
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 1: perhaps you can explain how best that's a it's a

870
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:33,799
Speaker 1: distraction from a problem is getting worse. I think that, Um,

871
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:38,879
Speaker 1: there's the reality that they want the public to ski,

872
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 1: and then there's the reality that's happening. Um. And I

873
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:46,239
Speaker 1: think that they're failing so badly um at getting people

874
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:50,479
Speaker 1: into services because um, many of the services just don't

875
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:54,840
Speaker 1: fit people. UM. So they want to paint this picture

876
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:58,160
Speaker 1: that all the unsheltered people that are out in their tents,

877
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:00,320
Speaker 1: living on the street, or living in their view goals

878
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:04,280
Speaker 1: are service resistant. Um. And I hear that all the time.

879
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:08,479
Speaker 1: You know, we asked them, they don't want to It's

880
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:11,360
Speaker 1: not that people don't want services. Many of these people

881
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 1: have tried some of the service centers in San Diego

882
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:19,719
Speaker 1: and the barriers are extremely high. Um. You know, the

883
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:22,880
Speaker 1: check in time and check out time can be difficult

884
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:28,440
Speaker 1: for people. UM, they'll separate families so UM. You know,

885
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 1: sometimes the they'll tell you, oh, you can go in

886
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 1: together if your husband and wife or if your partners,

887
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:37,120
Speaker 1: and then you get to the shelters and they say,

888
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:40,480
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, you can't be together because okay, so you

889
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 1: have to go to a men's shelter and you have

890
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:45,440
Speaker 1: to go to a women shelter. UM. They'll also do

891
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:48,279
Speaker 1: that with uh. Say a mother has a sixteen year

892
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:51,280
Speaker 1: old son and she needs to go into a shelter,

893
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:54,799
Speaker 1: and there's not a family shelter, UM, she cannot take

894
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:58,400
Speaker 1: her a women shelter with her. He has to go

895
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:02,719
Speaker 1: into a men's shelter. UM. So you know, then you know,

896
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 1: people with their pets, they're only source of like love

897
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:09,760
Speaker 1: and acceptance. You know, a lot of places won't take pets.

898
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:14,399
Speaker 1: A lot of places they're using substances. So we've got

899
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 1: all these boundaries that are keeping people on the streets,

900
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:22,759
Speaker 1: and no one's talking about that, and no one's talking

901
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:25,399
Speaker 1: about the fact that some of not all of them,

902
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:29,799
Speaker 1: but some of the service providers are profiting off of

903
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:34,359
Speaker 1: these poor people because they represent state and federal dollars. UM.

904
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:38,239
Speaker 1: So you've got shelters that are run horribly, and you know,

905
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 1: the more people that come in, they just want to

906
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:44,960
Speaker 1: cycle them through because that gives them money. CEO and

907
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 1: all of their family members that are you know, working

908
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 1: for the nonprofit UM and and these people because they're unsheltered,

909
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:55,439
Speaker 1: they don't feel they have a voice, they don't feel

910
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:58,200
Speaker 1: they can speak up because of retaliation. So they're just

911
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:03,120
Speaker 1: constantly and then you've got the city who's saying, look

912
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:07,120
Speaker 1: at all these fantastic things we're doing UM, which is

913
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 1: couldn't be farther from the truth UM, And then they

914
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:15,279
Speaker 1: constantly use the narrator that folks are service resistant UM.

915
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:19,920
Speaker 1: Services that are out there are too few and too difficult,

916
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:24,160
Speaker 1: and just they're not meaning people where they're at and

917
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 1: they're just setting people up to fail every time. Another

918
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:31,680
Speaker 1: thing I want to get into with the shelter specifically,

919
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:35,400
Speaker 1: is these congregate shelters, right, and what in the in

920
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 1: the context of an ongoing pandemic that maybe is transitioning

921
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:42,520
Speaker 1: into another pandemic, can you explain what what's a congregated shelter? Right?

922
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 1: It's along word, but what does it mean? And how

923
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:50,439
Speaker 1: are those dangerous especially for medically compromised older people living

924
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:53,240
Speaker 1: on the street. Both of our shelter system here in

925
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:55,720
Speaker 1: San Diego. In the city of San Diego is congregate

926
00:57:55,800 --> 00:58:00,600
Speaker 1: shelter h meaning people are just placed in big room

927
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:04,720
Speaker 1: or in some cases big circus type tents. We have

928
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:07,080
Speaker 1: a few of those where people are sleeping in cotton

929
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 1: three ft apart. So you can imagine how horrible that

930
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:13,760
Speaker 1: is for the spread of disease. That's why we've had

931
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:17,680
Speaker 1: some very large outbreaks of COVID in our in our

932
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:21,680
Speaker 1: shelter system, and and they're frequently closed to new intakes.

933
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:26,919
Speaker 1: I think it's really let folks know that, Like you said,

934
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:30,040
Speaker 1: if you live, if you look at mayor glorious Twitter

935
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:33,240
Speaker 1: or social media feed, you think they're doing everything they

936
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:36,919
Speaker 1: can and there's all these resources, But on any given day,

937
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:41,360
Speaker 1: there may be a few dozen shelter beds, literally thousands

938
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:43,840
Speaker 1: and thousands of people that are sleeping on our streets

939
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:47,920
Speaker 1: at night. And the only reason there's a few dozen

940
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:50,680
Speaker 1: shelter beds is because they've kicked some people out that

941
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:54,280
Speaker 1: day for a breaking some minor rules. Most people who

942
00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:59,240
Speaker 1: leave shelter street, so shelter is not a very good

943
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:03,720
Speaker 1: pathway to anything roughly one in seven people who leaves

944
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:07,040
Speaker 1: a City of San Diego shelter go to a permanent

945
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:12,680
Speaker 1: housing solution. That's that's a very very In fact, under

946
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:16,560
Speaker 1: Mayor Gloria, I've seen some of the lowest success rates

947
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:18,720
Speaker 1: of our system than I've ever seen in my thirteen

948
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:23,000
Speaker 1: years of working on this. Our our system has actually

949
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:31,120
Speaker 1: is actually working worse. For Todd, Gloria took over, so

950
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:35,000
Speaker 1: he has done very very little, and most of what

951
00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:39,400
Speaker 1: he's done has been mostly performative, adding some shelter beds

952
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:44,360
Speaker 1: here and there, uh very little on the house. In fact,

953
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:47,680
Speaker 1: he's left tens of millions of dollars on the table

954
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:51,040
Speaker 1: that he hasn't applied for. He did not utilize a

955
00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:55,400
Speaker 1: California funding stream called Project Room Key that would have

956
00:59:55,400 --> 01:00:00,680
Speaker 1: allowed him to rent hotel rooms most and dime on

957
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:04,000
Speaker 1: our taxpayer dime to get people off the street. He

958
01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:08,800
Speaker 1: actually refused to do that. He has refused to open

959
01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:13,680
Speaker 1: safe camp areas where people could go and camp and

960
01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:17,960
Speaker 1: get off of the sidewalk. Many of us and and

961
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:21,600
Speaker 1: others in the community have pushed for real solutions and

962
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:25,080
Speaker 1: for him to utilize these funding sources, and he's absolutely

963
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:30,320
Speaker 1: refused to do it. Meanwhile, like we stated earlier, he

964
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:35,520
Speaker 1: has the plus garbage trucks and everybody else to go

965
01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:40,480
Speaker 1: out there and make people's lives miserable. So he's just

966
01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:44,480
Speaker 1: been an absolute failure on this issue. And at the

967
01:00:44,520 --> 01:00:47,000
Speaker 1: same time, he's been the one who's given the most

968
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:54,280
Speaker 1: two solutions for this. It is absolutely incredible what a

969
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:59,800
Speaker 1: disaster he has been for, not only for the unsheltered community,

970
01:00:59,840 --> 01:01:05,120
Speaker 1: but for San Diego. I've begun I've that he is

971
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:10,960
Speaker 1: San Diego's worst enemy, and and I just can't believe

972
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:15,320
Speaker 1: as somebody who supported him, supported him in his election

973
01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:22,000
Speaker 1: urge people to vote for him. Oh who do winked?

974
01:01:22,040 --> 01:01:25,960
Speaker 1: I was. I just can't believe that this guy has

975
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:29,240
Speaker 1: been so horrible for our city and and and every

976
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:32,160
Speaker 1: indication is that he's going to continue being He's gonna

977
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:36,600
Speaker 1: continue running the vide into the ground. People die on

978
01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:40,240
Speaker 1: our streets at record numbers. Correct me if I'm wrong,

979
01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:42,640
Speaker 1: But but didn't when he came out of the gate,

980
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:47,560
Speaker 1: didn't Gloria how many people he was gonna house under

981
01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:50,360
Speaker 1: his term, and didn't me low ball at the lower

982
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:54,400
Speaker 1: the number than than in previous years. Oh yeah, that

983
01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:58,160
Speaker 1: was some kind of a yeah, they or a federal

984
01:01:58,200 --> 01:02:01,200
Speaker 1: government goal that he set, and he actually set a

985
01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:04,480
Speaker 1: goal of housing people that was less than we had

986
01:02:04,520 --> 01:02:07,360
Speaker 1: done in the previous year. So his his big stretch

987
01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:13,160
Speaker 1: was to actually house fewer people. I don't know, I

988
01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:16,240
Speaker 1: don't even know if he's even getting there. I mean,

989
01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:20,800
Speaker 1: this guy, this, this guy is unbelievable. The kind of

990
01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:26,440
Speaker 1: nonsense that he is pulling on the citizens of our city.

991
01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:33,280
Speaker 1: It is unbelievable. Has invested so much in pr and

992
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:37,040
Speaker 1: he's got these folks who who are just good at

993
01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:42,080
Speaker 1: spinning this this nonsense to make it sound good. And

994
01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:46,560
Speaker 1: because he gets a lot of media big obviously a

995
01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:53,160
Speaker 1: big pulpit to disput this nonsense from he's he's able

996
01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:55,000
Speaker 1: to get a lot of people to believe it. Now

997
01:02:55,040 --> 01:02:58,360
Speaker 1: on homelessness, anybody who has a decent set of eyes,

998
01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:02,120
Speaker 1: it's basically calling bullshit. I don't know. I don't know

999
01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:04,880
Speaker 1: a whole lot of people anymore who think we're we're

1000
01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:08,840
Speaker 1: doing very well on this issue. And so I think

1001
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:11,920
Speaker 1: he's gonna have a harder and harder time convincing people

1002
01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:17,800
Speaker 1: that he's worthy of worthy of reelection of a higher

1003
01:03:17,840 --> 01:03:20,000
Speaker 1: office at some point, which is all he seems to

1004
01:03:20,040 --> 01:03:26,320
Speaker 1: care about yeah more so, so he's personally to blame.

1005
01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:29,760
Speaker 1: He has personal involvement of getting rid of ten thousand

1006
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:33,560
Speaker 1: s r O single rental units that that if we

1007
01:03:33,640 --> 01:03:38,000
Speaker 1: had minus our eight thousand homeless people, we would not

1008
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:42,480
Speaker 1: have homelessness of units that he was required to replace

1009
01:03:42,560 --> 01:03:47,120
Speaker 1: and never replace them. That's his fault. UM, I call

1010
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:52,520
Speaker 1: him a monster. I I was gonna criminalize, but he

1011
01:03:52,600 --> 01:03:56,160
Speaker 1: was a Republican. We expected it of him, and he

1012
01:03:56,280 --> 01:03:59,320
Speaker 1: didn't tell the promise less he was gonna end criminalization

1013
01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:02,520
Speaker 1: to get our vote. UM. One of the reasons that

1014
01:04:02,680 --> 01:04:05,880
Speaker 1: are probably the only the main reason that that Glory

1015
01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:11,280
Speaker 1: didn't put funding into Project Group key Um was because

1016
01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:14,640
Speaker 1: the city is in this unique position of owning and

1017
01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:18,760
Speaker 1: operating the nonprofit that runs the convention center. So when

1018
01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:21,880
Speaker 1: COVID hit, they were looking at nonprofit going belly up

1019
01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:25,000
Speaker 1: events in there and having to lay off all their staff.

1020
01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:27,720
Speaker 1: So instead of putting people in hotels where they'd be safe,

1021
01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:29,840
Speaker 1: they put them in a convention center where they'd be

1022
01:04:29,880 --> 01:04:32,880
Speaker 1: exposed to COVID and would die. But the city funded

1023
01:04:33,120 --> 01:04:39,280
Speaker 1: convin nonprofit would be funded. So UM Dutch and A

1024
01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:42,680
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty two million dollars is what Todd Gloria

1025
01:04:42,840 --> 01:04:45,800
Speaker 1: got the city to to pay out on a settlement

1026
01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:49,160
Speaker 1: on Ash Street as his boom dogg all if he

1027
01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:51,880
Speaker 1: cost us that, he convinced city council to invest all

1028
01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:55,600
Speaker 1: this money to slide donor money too, slight city money

1029
01:04:55,600 --> 01:04:59,760
Speaker 1: to his donors for the listeners who aren't familiar with

1030
01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:04,520
Speaker 1: great scene. So, James, if you were going to go

1031
01:05:04,560 --> 01:05:07,680
Speaker 1: buy a house right now, uh, you would think it

1032
01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:13,080
Speaker 1: is important a property inspection? Correct? Yes? Ye? Would you

1033
01:05:13,120 --> 01:05:16,640
Speaker 1: think it would be important to google or seek out

1034
01:05:16,680 --> 01:05:22,280
Speaker 1: documents that may inform you of asbestos prior to your purchase? Yeah?

1035
01:05:22,320 --> 01:05:26,040
Speaker 1: I do want to know that. Yeah. So these are

1036
01:05:26,160 --> 01:05:28,640
Speaker 1: two of the opportunities that they missed when they entered

1037
01:05:28,640 --> 01:05:33,360
Speaker 1: this deal with UH, with the one on one Ash Street. Um,

1038
01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:38,120
Speaker 1: so they basically had a middleman SISTERA come in and

1039
01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:40,560
Speaker 1: purchased the property and then least to own it back

1040
01:05:40,560 --> 01:05:44,440
Speaker 1: to the At no time was an inspection done. The

1041
01:05:44,560 --> 01:05:49,440
Speaker 1: asbestos wash people were aware of it, um, but there

1042
01:05:49,480 --> 01:05:52,320
Speaker 1: was no studies done on what the impact was going

1043
01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:54,760
Speaker 1: to be in all that. So now we've got ourselves

1044
01:05:54,800 --> 01:05:59,440
Speaker 1: sunk into this deal that is taxpayers two hundred and

1045
01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:05,320
Speaker 1: two million dollars, right, So I punched some of the maths, okay,

1046
01:06:05,640 --> 01:06:10,880
Speaker 1: And if you assume uh, one year's rent as twenty

1047
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:16,360
Speaker 1: four thousand dollars, right, two and two million divided by

1048
01:06:16,640 --> 01:06:20,840
Speaker 1: thousand dollars is more than eight thousand people that this

1049
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:25,320
Speaker 1: taxpayer money, you know. And it's always it's just and

1050
01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:27,720
Speaker 1: it's in a cycle, and it's it's not only the

1051
01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:31,800
Speaker 1: cycle there. But we don't have enough police, so they're

1052
01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:34,160
Speaker 1: bringing in more police when we don't have the housing.

1053
01:06:34,560 --> 01:06:36,320
Speaker 1: And then the police that we do have are working

1054
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:39,680
Speaker 1: overtime to pick up shopping carts and throw away tents,

1055
01:06:39,720 --> 01:06:44,000
Speaker 1: you know. So yeah, so the as street deal, there's

1056
01:06:44,080 --> 01:06:48,280
Speaker 1: plenty to go. It is uh like historically going to

1057
01:06:48,360 --> 01:06:51,640
Speaker 1: go down in San Diego's screw ups for sure. Yeah,

1058
01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:55,240
Speaker 1: it's a giant monument to grift go ahead, but we

1059
01:06:55,320 --> 01:06:57,880
Speaker 1: don't have any police. Is also more gas lighting. We

1060
01:06:57,960 --> 01:07:02,000
Speaker 1: have started professing law thirty years ago to police officers

1061
01:07:02,040 --> 01:07:04,600
Speaker 1: would show up at the scene. Now at least six

1062
01:07:04,680 --> 01:07:07,560
Speaker 1: police officers show up every single time. We have an

1063
01:07:07,560 --> 01:07:12,360
Speaker 1: overblight of of police and we could afford to lay

1064
01:07:12,360 --> 01:07:16,560
Speaker 1: off two thirds yeah yeah, but instead we just built

1065
01:07:16,600 --> 01:07:21,560
Speaker 1: childcarec and fluid spinking back on that real quick about

1066
01:07:21,600 --> 01:07:27,200
Speaker 1: the police, um one, I think they also push the

1067
01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:30,240
Speaker 1: narrative that you know, there's this hot team, the homeless

1068
01:07:30,280 --> 01:07:34,120
Speaker 1: outreach team, that the police they never take water, they

1069
01:07:34,160 --> 01:07:39,200
Speaker 1: never really take anything. Um, And they search for unsheltered

1070
01:07:39,240 --> 01:07:46,400
Speaker 1: people and thence and they rarely get any traffic to

1071
01:07:46,560 --> 01:07:51,640
Speaker 1: these things. And people often wonder why, Um, we cannot

1072
01:07:51,680 --> 01:07:58,080
Speaker 1: expect unsheltered people to trust and accept help people that

1073
01:07:58,200 --> 01:08:02,160
Speaker 1: criminalize them, to arisee them, harass them and throw their

1074
01:08:02,200 --> 01:08:06,480
Speaker 1: things away. UM. So you know, adding more police to

1075
01:08:06,560 --> 01:08:10,320
Speaker 1: deal with homelessness, Um, it's just also a waste of money.

1076
01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:15,240
Speaker 1: It causes more trauma to the unsheltered people unnecessary. So

1077
01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:19,040
Speaker 1: we're talking about this duality between like what said and

1078
01:08:19,160 --> 01:08:21,120
Speaker 1: what what what exists on the street, right, And it's

1079
01:08:21,240 --> 01:08:24,000
Speaker 1: it's very apparent people on the internet left to be

1080
01:08:24,040 --> 01:08:30,040
Speaker 1: wrong about George or well. But the one time recently

1081
01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:31,920
Speaker 1: where I felt that like, oh well would be a

1082
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:34,240
Speaker 1: useful things to deploy is the idea of a care court,

1083
01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:37,200
Speaker 1: like which is the thing that Todd has been very

1084
01:08:37,200 --> 01:08:41,320
Speaker 1: strong on to gavin nuisance. First right courts, in my opinion,

1085
01:08:41,360 --> 01:08:45,519
Speaker 1: don't care about people. So can someone explain what a

1086
01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:48,759
Speaker 1: care court is and why it's relevant in this setting.

1087
01:08:49,479 --> 01:08:52,920
Speaker 1: So framework of this is you have a bunch of

1088
01:08:53,320 --> 01:08:59,519
Speaker 1: um liberals in Gloria and Gavin Knistance ear saying we

1089
01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:03,040
Speaker 1: have to, uh, we have to end homelessness, and the

1090
01:09:03,080 --> 01:09:06,960
Speaker 1: politicians are saying, oh, well, we can't and home because

1091
01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:10,880
Speaker 1: they're all mentally ill drug users. Okay, So that's the

1092
01:09:10,920 --> 01:09:13,240
Speaker 1: first premise that we're working with, and they're not. Ten

1093
01:09:14,200 --> 01:09:17,560
Speaker 1: are used drugs in a mental illness and debilitating to

1094
01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:24,200
Speaker 1: an abilitating extent. And the homeless population. Um, this uh

1095
01:09:24,520 --> 01:09:28,040
Speaker 1: is parallels the rate of drug use in the house community.

1096
01:09:28,160 --> 01:09:31,280
Speaker 1: We don't take houses away from drug users who are

1097
01:09:31,360 --> 01:09:34,519
Speaker 1: housed and make them get sober before we return their

1098
01:09:34,520 --> 01:09:38,200
Speaker 1: houses to them. So requiring that they be sober bes

1099
01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:42,360
Speaker 1: how is asked backwards? Um, we have to get them

1100
01:09:42,360 --> 01:09:47,599
Speaker 1: into housing first. Now the care court is set up

1101
01:09:47,640 --> 01:09:50,960
Speaker 1: just to pass more money to their donors. That's all

1102
01:09:50,960 --> 01:09:53,800
Speaker 1: it's set up to do. It's not gonna ease anything.

1103
01:09:54,680 --> 01:09:58,080
Speaker 1: It's gonna set up a situation where a person is

1104
01:09:58,120 --> 01:10:02,400
Speaker 1: considered gravely disabled then they can be put into a conservatorship.

1105
01:10:02,439 --> 01:10:06,679
Speaker 1: And gravely disabled is defined as unable to provide shelter

1106
01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:11,640
Speaker 1: for oneself. So essentially everybody who is cooled, bably disabled

1107
01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:14,720
Speaker 1: and the rich who got them in this position can

1108
01:10:14,760 --> 01:10:18,240
Speaker 1: make all the decisions for them. I'm very passionate about

1109
01:10:18,280 --> 01:10:21,720
Speaker 1: this because it's it's cruel and it's it's it's it's

1110
01:10:21,840 --> 01:10:27,840
Speaker 1: essentially the return of all the yea that was set

1111
01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:31,000
Speaker 1: set turned off. The whole reason that you know, Reagan

1112
01:10:31,040 --> 01:10:34,800
Speaker 1: got every get everybody released from the prisons because of

1113
01:10:34,840 --> 01:10:37,000
Speaker 1: the mental illness, but he never paid. There was never

1114
01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:42,800
Speaker 1: any payment into community mental health services. So um, now

1115
01:10:42,840 --> 01:10:45,679
Speaker 1: they want to return them to the institutionalization after never

1116
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:49,479
Speaker 1: providing any street a sufficient street um services for them.

1117
01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:55,120
Speaker 1: And that's that's just cruel. Yeah. And so with the

1118
01:10:55,160 --> 01:10:58,519
Speaker 1: whole care court plan, there's like all in it. One

1119
01:10:58,600 --> 01:11:00,880
Speaker 1: is that it does not mention and that there is

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01:11:01,040 --> 01:11:05,200
Speaker 1: any housing uh stipulation at all, So it does not

1121
01:11:05,360 --> 01:11:10,160
Speaker 1: say that the conservator must provide them shelter. Um. The

1122
01:11:10,439 --> 01:11:13,080
Speaker 1: checking guidelines are once every thirty days, which is about

1123
01:11:13,880 --> 01:11:15,679
Speaker 1: time period that we have them checking with their case

1124
01:11:15,720 --> 01:11:19,160
Speaker 1: managers is at least once every thirty days. Um. And

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01:11:19,200 --> 01:11:22,280
Speaker 1: they also try to try to tell it like, um,

1126
01:11:22,880 --> 01:11:26,519
Speaker 1: well it's it could be temporary, right, like, once they

1127
01:11:26,600 --> 01:11:30,120
Speaker 1: get better, then they'll be off. The concert as to

1128
01:11:30,200 --> 01:11:32,919
Speaker 1: me is it's like, okay, you forced them into treatment,

1129
01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:35,240
Speaker 1: and then once they get kicked out of treatment, you say, okay,

1130
01:11:35,240 --> 01:11:38,200
Speaker 1: they're healed, and then you know they're back away from

1131
01:11:38,200 --> 01:11:43,240
Speaker 1: their services. And I've had clients who thought maybe a

1132
01:11:43,240 --> 01:11:47,080
Speaker 1: conservatorship is right for me, begging where they're like, I

1133
01:11:47,160 --> 01:11:50,080
Speaker 1: just can't do stuff right like you know. Um. And

1134
01:11:50,120 --> 01:11:52,800
Speaker 1: I had one client specifically asked me to be her conservator,

1135
01:11:53,280 --> 01:11:57,200
Speaker 1: and I care about her so much, UM and if

1136
01:11:57,240 --> 01:12:00,559
Speaker 1: I thought that her having a conservator would really benefit her.

1137
01:12:02,080 --> 01:12:04,800
Speaker 1: But as of right now, there's no difference in um,

1138
01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:07,960
Speaker 1: whether a conservator can get somebody shelter better than me

1139
01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:10,400
Speaker 1: as a service provider, or if they can get them

1140
01:12:10,400 --> 01:12:13,280
Speaker 1: into a treatment program better than a service provider. Now,

1141
01:12:13,320 --> 01:12:15,880
Speaker 1: Colleen was talking about how only ten of our homeless

1142
01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:19,519
Speaker 1: population has a drug in San Diego County as a whole,

1143
01:12:19,560 --> 01:12:25,320
Speaker 1: fifteen percent of Sandy against have a substance use issue. Right,

1144
01:12:26,200 --> 01:12:31,559
Speaker 1: my type percent was debilitating, a debilitating Uh yeah, okay,

1145
01:12:31,560 --> 01:12:35,720
Speaker 1: good to clarify, Um, Instead pcent is way more than

1146
01:12:35,720 --> 01:12:38,840
Speaker 1: our homeless population. Those aren't the only ones with substance use.

1147
01:12:39,200 --> 01:12:42,000
Speaker 1: But if you're on medical right, if you're low income

1148
01:12:42,040 --> 01:12:44,200
Speaker 1: and low income in in San Diego as anyone making

1149
01:12:44,280 --> 01:12:47,599
Speaker 1: less than seventy six thousand dollars per year UM, which

1150
01:12:47,760 --> 01:12:50,080
Speaker 1: is a lot more people than they really if you

1151
01:12:50,840 --> 01:12:56,840
Speaker 1: are low income um untilicet bumping just because if you're

1152
01:12:56,880 --> 01:12:59,400
Speaker 1: low income. But I have some memes here. I want

1153
01:12:59,400 --> 01:13:03,479
Speaker 1: to point facts on the care Court. Care Court to

1154
01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:09,600
Speaker 1: address houselessness. Five million dollar budget, zero will go to

1155
01:13:09,640 --> 01:13:14,880
Speaker 1: housing and zero will go to mental health services. That's shocking.

1156
01:13:15,280 --> 01:13:18,160
Speaker 1: Zero to mental health services are housing. Care Court will

1157
01:13:18,160 --> 01:13:23,040
Speaker 1: weaponize its unchecked power and worse than historical violence against communities,

1158
01:13:23,760 --> 01:13:27,080
Speaker 1: and care Court claims to address mental health ability disabilities,

1159
01:13:27,479 --> 01:13:30,439
Speaker 1: but allows a judge to rub anyone they find unfit

1160
01:13:30,520 --> 01:13:34,840
Speaker 1: of autonomy over their health, home, and life. Yeah, and

1161
01:13:34,880 --> 01:13:39,000
Speaker 1: I did remember my thoughts. So um, like the people

1162
01:13:39,080 --> 01:13:44,320
Speaker 1: on medical um there as far as it's like we

1163
01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:46,719
Speaker 1: already know fentin als and everything. Now, even if somebody

1164
01:13:46,760 --> 01:13:49,640
Speaker 1: thinks they're getting coke or or whatever they think it is,

1165
01:13:49,800 --> 01:13:52,519
Speaker 1: typically there is s fentl in it. So um, anyone

1166
01:13:52,600 --> 01:13:57,160
Speaker 1: who does wish to go through a detox um it's

1167
01:13:57,160 --> 01:14:01,000
Speaker 1: impossible to get them bets of aients who come in there,

1168
01:14:01,040 --> 01:14:03,400
Speaker 1: like please, I know, I know, I've got to get

1169
01:14:03,439 --> 01:14:06,519
Speaker 1: work this out of my life, and I'm gonna try.

1170
01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:09,360
Speaker 1: Can you get me into detox? Almost spend the whole day,

1171
01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:13,000
Speaker 1: you know? And and and there's one and like all

1172
01:14:13,040 --> 01:14:17,400
Speaker 1: these people are competing, but the detox facility. So if

1173
01:14:17,439 --> 01:14:19,720
Speaker 1: it was like we had the infrastructure set up, and

1174
01:14:19,720 --> 01:14:22,160
Speaker 1: we had this awesome mental health care, and we had

1175
01:14:22,200 --> 01:14:25,519
Speaker 1: these awesome like street medics and street therapy, and we

1176
01:14:25,600 --> 01:14:28,200
Speaker 1: had okay, and everyone in the Conservative ship is gonna

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01:14:28,920 --> 01:14:33,320
Speaker 1: be housed at this place, like maybe, but like this

1178
01:14:33,400 --> 01:14:36,240
Speaker 1: whole thing, it's just it's it's a lot of crap.

1179
01:14:36,520 --> 01:14:39,400
Speaker 1: So if I if we had, if we had all

1180
01:14:39,400 --> 01:14:42,479
Speaker 1: those things, if we had a good system that had

1181
01:14:42,560 --> 01:14:46,960
Speaker 1: good substance use treatment, good mental health care, and housing,

1182
01:14:47,880 --> 01:14:50,559
Speaker 1: we wouldn't have all these folks on the street. Amen.

1183
01:14:50,720 --> 01:14:55,920
Speaker 1: So it's kind of interesting that they're creating something to

1184
01:14:56,000 --> 01:14:59,759
Speaker 1: solve an issue that they don't have the infrastructure to solve.

1185
01:15:00,400 --> 01:15:05,200
Speaker 1: But I think it's important to note that h Care

1186
01:15:05,280 --> 01:15:08,679
Speaker 1: Court is a conservatorship, but we already have conservatorship law.

1187
01:15:11,120 --> 01:15:14,840
Speaker 1: Conservatives laws, they're very strict. It's a very high threshold

1188
01:15:15,280 --> 01:15:19,360
Speaker 1: to get somebody conserved currently for good reason. You're taking

1189
01:15:19,360 --> 01:15:22,360
Speaker 1: away somebody's civil You're taking away somebody's right to make

1190
01:15:22,439 --> 01:15:26,320
Speaker 1: their own decisions, is what a conservators But for some

1191
01:15:26,439 --> 01:15:31,640
Speaker 1: folks that are gravely disabled and impaired, it is the

1192
01:15:31,640 --> 01:15:34,280
Speaker 1: best thing to do. It's for you know, for very

1193
01:15:34,320 --> 01:15:39,240
Speaker 1: few people. But but that the city attorneys and the

1194
01:15:39,360 --> 01:15:45,479
Speaker 1: people in the hospital, uh, the workers, Uh, they don't

1195
01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:49,439
Speaker 1: want to go through it because it is very difficult

1196
01:15:49,479 --> 01:15:53,479
Speaker 1: and challenging, and oftentimes the judge, the judge will deny

1197
01:15:53,560 --> 01:15:58,800
Speaker 1: it because that's how important it is for people to

1198
01:15:58,840 --> 01:16:01,880
Speaker 1: have these civil rights. So sometimes even have to do

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01:16:01,880 --> 01:16:04,639
Speaker 1: it multiple times with somebody who probably you know, who

1200
01:16:04,640 --> 01:16:07,719
Speaker 1: may actually need it. And I speak from firsthand experience

1201
01:16:07,720 --> 01:16:11,080
Speaker 1: of helping people, you know, go through this process and

1202
01:16:11,120 --> 01:16:15,320
Speaker 1: try to you know, and conservatorship on somebody who just

1203
01:16:15,360 --> 01:16:20,200
Speaker 1: really really needs it care court would lower that threshold

1204
01:16:20,439 --> 01:16:24,160
Speaker 1: so much I I doubt it's legal. I'm sure it's

1205
01:16:24,160 --> 01:16:30,080
Speaker 1: gonna get challenged in court. It it is such a

1206
01:16:30,439 --> 01:16:36,240
Speaker 1: dangerous leap against our civil liberties or civil rights, uh

1207
01:16:36,479 --> 01:16:39,599
Speaker 1: that I I just am gonna find it incredible if

1208
01:16:39,680 --> 01:16:43,439
Speaker 1: if judges allow this to move forward when it's challenged. Uh.

1209
01:16:44,479 --> 01:16:49,519
Speaker 1: But thing is that people need help, they need care,

1210
01:16:49,760 --> 01:16:54,160
Speaker 1: not court. And if we would provide the care, which

1211
01:16:54,160 --> 01:16:57,599
Speaker 1: are elected officials don't want to do. I think this

1212
01:16:57,680 --> 01:16:59,760
Speaker 1: is just a cop out on their part. I think

1213
01:17:00,200 --> 01:17:06,240
Speaker 1: is this is the elected officials saying, uh, we have failed,

1214
01:17:06,800 --> 01:17:10,519
Speaker 1: so we'll just pun it to the courts and let

1215
01:17:10,560 --> 01:17:14,759
Speaker 1: them take ownership and control of this, which in effect

1216
01:17:14,800 --> 01:17:17,840
Speaker 1: the courts are just kicking it to the county. Is

1217
01:17:17,840 --> 01:17:21,240
Speaker 1: our behavioral health provider who's gonna have to provide these

1218
01:17:21,240 --> 01:17:24,960
Speaker 1: services and be responsible for these folks. I think this

1219
01:17:25,080 --> 01:17:28,280
Speaker 1: is gonna be set a train wreck. But the one

1220
01:17:28,360 --> 01:17:35,479
Speaker 1: thing it is illuminating is that our behavioral health system

1221
01:17:36,800 --> 01:17:43,840
Speaker 1: is so broken, so dysfunctional, that they would even be

1222
01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:47,680
Speaker 1: trying to do this. I think it's basically a an

1223
01:17:47,680 --> 01:17:53,320
Speaker 1: indictment and but care court is not going to fix

1224
01:17:53,360 --> 01:17:56,879
Speaker 1: anything that's and I think it's setting people up for failure.

1225
01:17:57,840 --> 01:18:03,360
Speaker 1: I've talked to some families who are who are really

1226
01:18:04,040 --> 01:18:10,160
Speaker 1: now These are who have uh seriously mentally ill loved ones,

1227
01:18:10,200 --> 01:18:16,840
Speaker 1: whether it's spouses or children, um siblings. They see this

1228
01:18:17,000 --> 01:18:23,960
Speaker 1: as a silver bullet two get their loved ones. And

1229
01:18:24,760 --> 01:18:28,200
Speaker 1: maybe it works better for that segment of the population

1230
01:18:28,240 --> 01:18:32,040
Speaker 1: because they have somebody, they have a loved one as

1231
01:18:32,080 --> 01:18:38,040
Speaker 1: an advocate to make sure that the care is the

1232
01:18:38,120 --> 01:18:42,439
Speaker 1: care is the focus. But for for unsheltered folks, they're

1233
01:18:42,439 --> 01:18:47,720
Speaker 1: gonna be abused and used by this system. Uh maybe warehoused.

1234
01:18:48,720 --> 01:18:51,479
Speaker 1: Who knows, they're gonna end up worse off in my opinion,

1235
01:18:51,600 --> 01:18:58,000
Speaker 1: and so and against it as it's written, and certainly

1236
01:18:58,120 --> 01:19:01,040
Speaker 1: fear that the implementation and of it is going to

1237
01:19:01,080 --> 01:19:08,479
Speaker 1: be a travesty that I just can't imagine. I can't

1238
01:19:08,479 --> 01:19:14,080
Speaker 1: imagine this so called liberal state. Uh, we try to

1239
01:19:14,160 --> 01:19:19,400
Speaker 1: trample the rights of people like this, and oh boy,

1240
01:19:19,439 --> 01:19:22,439
Speaker 1: I tell you it's there's so much dangerous about this

1241
01:19:22,600 --> 01:19:24,960
Speaker 1: that I mean, we could we could have a whole

1242
01:19:25,640 --> 01:19:28,439
Speaker 1: of this and maybe and I'm sure there will be

1243
01:19:28,479 --> 01:19:32,920
Speaker 1: a lot of talk about this down the road. Yeah yeah, alright.

1244
01:19:33,000 --> 01:19:36,400
Speaker 1: So what I want to do is focus a little

1245
01:19:36,400 --> 01:19:38,920
Speaker 1: bit to finish up here on some solutions. So the

1246
01:19:39,000 --> 01:19:42,599
Speaker 1: things that a lot of you guys are doing right

1247
01:19:42,600 --> 01:19:47,000
Speaker 1: now to provide people with help, to provide people with

1248
01:19:47,040 --> 01:19:53,439
Speaker 1: the basic being a dignified existence, and like how the

1249
01:19:53,479 --> 01:19:55,920
Speaker 1: state could do better? Right like, what what housing first

1250
01:19:55,920 --> 01:19:59,080
Speaker 1: solutions look like? What solutions are informed by evidence rather

1251
01:19:59,240 --> 01:20:01,280
Speaker 1: just informed by sort of cruelty and the desire to

1252
01:20:01,360 --> 01:20:05,080
Speaker 1: brush the problem aside. Those I think you have to.

1253
01:20:05,320 --> 01:20:08,320
Speaker 1: You know, you can't expect people to get well on

1254
01:20:08,400 --> 01:20:12,240
Speaker 1: the street, so you've you've got to get them inside

1255
01:20:12,840 --> 01:20:15,880
Speaker 1: UM and congregate shelters. We've already talked about why those

1256
01:20:15,920 --> 01:20:19,880
Speaker 1: are so problematic on so many levels. UM. There is

1257
01:20:19,920 --> 01:20:21,960
Speaker 1: a model in San Diego that's being used by a

1258
01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:27,480
Speaker 1: nonprofit UM there right now. It's only for elderly UM individuals.

1259
01:20:27,680 --> 01:20:31,200
Speaker 1: It's called Housing for the Homeless, and they put UM

1260
01:20:31,479 --> 01:20:36,799
Speaker 1: unsheltered elderly folks in hotel rooms and it's had tremendous success.

1261
01:20:37,400 --> 01:20:42,759
Speaker 1: For some reason, it cannot get funding for UM county funding. UM.

1262
01:20:42,800 --> 01:20:45,000
Speaker 1: But getting these people off the street and out of

1263
01:20:45,040 --> 01:20:49,960
Speaker 1: survival mode is first and foremost. And then you've got

1264
01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:53,280
Speaker 1: them in a stable place so that services can find

1265
01:20:53,320 --> 01:20:56,400
Speaker 1: them when they need them. They can get the at

1266
01:20:56,439 --> 01:21:01,120
Speaker 1: mental health services UM. You know, we need to bolster

1267
01:21:01,280 --> 01:21:06,400
Speaker 1: our our rehab an addiction UM services. We also need

1268
01:21:06,400 --> 01:21:10,600
Speaker 1: more harm reduction UM. You know it can take you

1269
01:21:10,800 --> 01:21:15,439
Speaker 1: one through two detox at McAlister, which is the only

1270
01:21:16,120 --> 01:21:19,479
Speaker 1: UM detox center in San Diego south of Incimidi's and

1271
01:21:19,960 --> 01:21:24,280
Speaker 1: Detox is separate from UM. So we living. So you

1272
01:21:24,400 --> 01:21:26,519
Speaker 1: made detox and then it may be another one to

1273
01:21:26,600 --> 01:21:30,120
Speaker 1: three week wait, UM get into sober living, which is

1274
01:21:30,200 --> 01:21:31,800
Speaker 1: just enough time to get turned back out on the

1275
01:21:31,880 --> 01:21:36,120
Speaker 1: streets and relax again. UM. And after that, even there's

1276
01:21:36,160 --> 01:21:39,360
Speaker 1: no housing at the end of the tunnel, so you know,

1277
01:21:39,600 --> 01:21:45,000
Speaker 1: really the biggest thing that we're missing is housing, and

1278
01:21:45,040 --> 01:21:48,120
Speaker 1: then everything else trickles down from there. UM. You know,

1279
01:21:48,240 --> 01:21:50,599
Speaker 1: just building these relationships with people so that they can

1280
01:21:50,840 --> 01:21:52,840
Speaker 1: can trust that you're on their side and you're not

1281
01:21:53,000 --> 01:21:55,200
Speaker 1: going to lie to them, give them antie promises or

1282
01:21:55,640 --> 01:21:59,040
Speaker 1: or use them in some way to uh, to monetize

1283
01:21:59,080 --> 01:22:02,439
Speaker 1: them for is one of the biggest things that I've

1284
01:22:02,760 --> 01:22:05,160
Speaker 1: found of importance for me as an on the ground

1285
01:22:05,520 --> 01:22:08,960
Speaker 1: UM you know, outreach worker and doing mutual aid. UM.

1286
01:22:09,760 --> 01:22:11,120
Speaker 1: You know, most of the time, these people just don't

1287
01:22:11,120 --> 01:22:15,080
Speaker 1: have water, you know, they're they're thirsty, they're hungry, UM

1288
01:22:16,240 --> 01:22:21,880
Speaker 1: what poverty looks like. UM. So I think we've you know,

1289
01:22:21,960 --> 01:22:25,920
Speaker 1: we've got to get these people inside UM immediately, and

1290
01:22:26,160 --> 01:22:29,519
Speaker 1: then we start deploying the resources to them, um, to

1291
01:22:29,680 --> 01:22:33,960
Speaker 1: help them recover from the trauma or you know, whatever

1292
01:22:34,040 --> 01:22:36,920
Speaker 1: trauma led them to be in that situation. Um. I

1293
01:22:37,040 --> 01:22:41,040
Speaker 1: think people often forget that a lot of folks on

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01:22:41,160 --> 01:22:43,760
Speaker 1: the street. Um, you know, there's the foster to the

1295
01:22:43,800 --> 01:22:48,360
Speaker 1: streets pipeline, there's the jail to the streets pipeline. So

1296
01:22:49,400 --> 01:22:51,920
Speaker 1: you know, many people don't end up on the streets

1297
01:22:52,000 --> 01:22:54,920
Speaker 1: because they have family to help them. And a lot

1298
01:22:54,960 --> 01:22:57,040
Speaker 1: of these folks on the streets they don't have any

1299
01:22:57,120 --> 01:23:01,600
Speaker 1: family members. So um, you know, as a community, we

1300
01:23:01,680 --> 01:23:06,280
Speaker 1: need to set up and be their family. So that's great,

1301
01:23:06,360 --> 01:23:09,280
Speaker 1: and I think I think we we have to understand

1302
01:23:09,360 --> 01:23:12,880
Speaker 1: that the homeless service system, and I'm gonna talk about

1303
01:23:12,920 --> 01:23:15,600
Speaker 1: some of the good things that are it's important for

1304
01:23:15,680 --> 01:23:18,519
Speaker 1: people to know there's a ton of stuff happening both

1305
01:23:18,600 --> 01:23:21,599
Speaker 1: grassroots all the way up. But it's important to understand

1306
01:23:21,720 --> 01:23:24,240
Speaker 1: that the homeless service system can only do so much.

1307
01:23:24,840 --> 01:23:27,920
Speaker 1: As as Manny was talking about these pipelines that feed homelessness,

1308
01:23:28,360 --> 01:23:31,559
Speaker 1: people are becoming homelessness. I've never seen so many new

1309
01:23:31,640 --> 01:23:33,160
Speaker 1: people out here on the street. In my work, I'm

1310
01:23:33,200 --> 01:23:36,040
Speaker 1: on the street some part well a lot of the

1311
01:23:36,240 --> 01:23:39,000
Speaker 1: every day and I'm seeing more new people than I've

1312
01:23:39,000 --> 01:23:41,680
Speaker 1: ever seen in my last thirteen years. And there's all

1313
01:23:41,720 --> 01:23:45,040
Speaker 1: these feeder systems. It's it's child welfare, it's foster care,

1314
01:23:45,160 --> 01:23:49,560
Speaker 1: it's it's the education system. You know, you can name it.

1315
01:23:49,680 --> 01:23:52,160
Speaker 1: It's it's uh, the health care system. All these things

1316
01:23:52,200 --> 01:23:56,639
Speaker 1: are feeding homelessness. It's the it's the how we've commoditized housing.

1317
01:23:56,880 --> 01:23:59,080
Speaker 1: It's I mean, I can go on and on talking

1318
01:23:59,120 --> 01:24:04,120
Speaker 1: about feeding homelessness. It's safety nets, it's a lack of

1319
01:24:04,160 --> 01:24:08,639
Speaker 1: good mental health care and substance use care. So homeless

1320
01:24:08,720 --> 01:24:13,040
Speaker 1: services cannot control these things up above, these systems, these

1321
01:24:13,120 --> 01:24:15,920
Speaker 1: billion dollar systems that are feeds that are failing people

1322
01:24:15,960 --> 01:24:19,920
Speaker 1: and feeding homelessness. What system is And I like to say,

1323
01:24:20,040 --> 01:24:22,240
Speaker 1: they've got a lot of mission creep going on here

1324
01:24:22,320 --> 01:24:25,240
Speaker 1: because ideally they really should be focused on getting people

1325
01:24:25,280 --> 01:24:27,880
Speaker 1: into housing and out of homelessness, but they've become this

1326
01:24:28,840 --> 01:24:33,639
Speaker 1: this big system that's UH is really getting very costly,

1327
01:24:34,600 --> 01:24:38,240
Speaker 1: be inefficient and effective. But we know what solves homelessness.

1328
01:24:38,880 --> 01:24:43,640
Speaker 1: Housing and services solve homelessness, period and it works. We

1329
01:24:43,800 --> 01:24:47,960
Speaker 1: see when these new quality projects like Zephyr or Trinity

1330
01:24:48,080 --> 01:24:54,519
Speaker 1: place these uh they're not projects, they're housing. They're housing

1331
01:24:54,600 --> 01:24:57,080
Speaker 1: with services, so we call them projects, but they're just

1332
01:24:57,240 --> 01:25:00,840
Speaker 1: like any other apartment building really, except they have supportive

1333
01:25:00,880 --> 01:25:04,040
Speaker 1: services for folks and they work extremely well. They have

1334
01:25:04,160 --> 01:25:09,280
Speaker 1: a nine plus rate of keeping folks housed, even folks

1335
01:25:09,320 --> 01:25:13,479
Speaker 1: who have some who are disabled and have some significant issues.

1336
01:25:14,200 --> 01:25:18,080
Speaker 1: And it helps provide that self sufficiency by providing a

1337
01:25:18,320 --> 01:25:21,840
Speaker 1: deep rental subsidy and supportive services for folks who aren't

1338
01:25:22,600 --> 01:25:26,840
Speaker 1: take care of their own rent totally themselves. There is

1339
01:25:26,920 --> 01:25:30,840
Speaker 1: no free housing. Everybody who gets these these units pays

1340
01:25:30,920 --> 01:25:36,439
Speaker 1: thirty of their income, whether it's disability income, social Security retirement, whatever,

1341
01:25:36,640 --> 01:25:42,240
Speaker 1: they're paying some free housing. People are helping themselves and

1342
01:25:42,360 --> 01:25:45,960
Speaker 1: that's really important to say. And they're participating in services.

1343
01:25:46,600 --> 01:25:50,960
Speaker 1: But once you're in housing, your participation in services rates

1344
01:25:51,200 --> 01:25:56,040
Speaker 1: go up because people want to going better and stay

1345
01:25:56,120 --> 01:25:58,880
Speaker 1: in the housing. These things are being built, there're being

1346
01:25:58,920 --> 01:26:02,280
Speaker 1: built as we speak, but at a snail's pace. And

1347
01:26:02,400 --> 01:26:05,080
Speaker 1: that's the things that I fault are elected leadership for

1348
01:26:05,280 --> 01:26:08,599
Speaker 1: is they're nibbling around the edges. So Todd has Todd

1349
01:26:08,640 --> 01:26:14,040
Speaker 1: Gloria done some a few, but they're so small, and

1350
01:26:14,160 --> 01:26:17,040
Speaker 1: he blows them up to like he's solving something and

1351
01:26:17,080 --> 01:26:19,439
Speaker 1: he's not. Has the county done some good things, Yeah,

1352
01:26:19,880 --> 01:26:22,160
Speaker 1: they've actually done more good things than I've ever seen

1353
01:26:22,240 --> 01:26:26,960
Speaker 1: them do, but it's still not anywork the piece that

1354
01:26:27,080 --> 01:26:30,240
Speaker 1: we need. They've opened up some mental health crisis centers

1355
01:26:30,280 --> 01:26:32,439
Speaker 1: that are actually walk in centers. They put together some

1356
01:26:32,520 --> 01:26:36,600
Speaker 1: mental health crisis teams that respond to a small percentage

1357
01:26:36,640 --> 01:26:40,599
Speaker 1: of cases of when you call. But it is helping

1358
01:26:41,120 --> 01:26:44,880
Speaker 1: all of these What really needs to be done is

1359
01:26:45,960 --> 01:26:48,920
Speaker 1: the things that we know work need to be taken

1360
01:26:48,960 --> 01:26:52,040
Speaker 1: to scale. But we have to also understand the challenges

1361
01:26:52,040 --> 01:26:54,880
Speaker 1: of that. We can't just fault the elected officials for

1362
01:26:55,160 --> 01:26:59,680
Speaker 1: some things they don't have control over. As we all know,

1363
01:27:00,600 --> 01:27:03,479
Speaker 1: there's it's hard time. It's a hard time hiring people.

1364
01:27:03,600 --> 01:27:06,240
Speaker 1: So we need a lot more staff that work with

1365
01:27:07,120 --> 01:27:10,200
Speaker 1: that are providing mental health services and substance use services.

1366
01:27:11,000 --> 01:27:15,280
Speaker 1: But we won't get there. And this is officials have

1367
01:27:15,800 --> 01:27:18,960
Speaker 1: have a lot of fault is they've really not put

1368
01:27:19,000 --> 01:27:21,360
Speaker 1: a priority in on this issue. And this is where

1369
01:27:21,400 --> 01:27:24,880
Speaker 1: there's the biggest disconnect. On one hand, you have Todd

1370
01:27:24,920 --> 01:27:28,320
Speaker 1: Gloria constantly saying how this is his number one issue.

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01:27:28,800 --> 01:27:33,679
Speaker 1: On the other hand, so that I'm a big believer

1372
01:27:33,800 --> 01:27:36,960
Speaker 1: in in bicycle safety and safe roads and things like that.

1373
01:27:37,160 --> 01:27:40,080
Speaker 1: But he seems to put more importance on a bike

1374
01:27:40,200 --> 01:27:44,800
Speaker 1: lane than he does solving homelessness. And they're both important.

1375
01:27:45,320 --> 01:27:51,679
Speaker 1: But people dying on our streets because they're homeless, that's

1376
01:27:51,920 --> 01:27:54,000
Speaker 1: you know, he he needs to put. He needs to

1377
01:27:54,120 --> 01:27:59,519
Speaker 1: back up his his talk with action, just like you know.

1378
01:28:00,000 --> 01:28:03,200
Speaker 1: There they're expanding some bike lanes and I think, uh,

1379
01:28:03,439 --> 01:28:05,040
Speaker 1: I think they need to do it a lot smarter

1380
01:28:05,200 --> 01:28:07,320
Speaker 1: because some of them don't seem to be that safe

1381
01:28:07,400 --> 01:28:12,000
Speaker 1: to me. But that's a whole another show too I

1382
01:28:12,040 --> 01:28:16,200
Speaker 1: shouldn't be involved in. But they don't seem to be

1383
01:28:16,400 --> 01:28:20,280
Speaker 1: very strategic to me, and they be very they don't

1384
01:28:20,320 --> 01:28:23,080
Speaker 1: seem to care. They seem to be more interested in

1385
01:28:23,200 --> 01:28:26,400
Speaker 1: hoodwinking the public so they can get their next job.

1386
01:28:26,880 --> 01:28:31,840
Speaker 1: We need people who care mostly that care about people,

1387
01:28:32,600 --> 01:28:37,040
Speaker 1: but also care any efficiently and effectively. But some of

1388
01:28:37,080 --> 01:28:40,040
Speaker 1: the grassroots stuff, like I say, getting people into hotel

1389
01:28:40,160 --> 01:28:42,600
Speaker 1: rooms and then getting into housing is a good pathway.

1390
01:28:44,040 --> 01:28:47,280
Speaker 1: The county opened a small shelter. I think it's forty

1391
01:28:47,360 --> 01:28:51,400
Speaker 1: four beds or so. It's the first they open that's

1392
01:28:51,479 --> 01:28:54,599
Speaker 1: really more tailored towards people with substance use and mental

1393
01:28:54,640 --> 01:28:58,000
Speaker 1: health needs. It has a great uptake rate and and

1394
01:28:58,200 --> 01:29:00,519
Speaker 1: and the feedback from people on the street, which is good.

1395
01:29:01,040 --> 01:29:03,120
Speaker 1: So here we have something that the county did that

1396
01:29:03,280 --> 01:29:06,920
Speaker 1: was good. We need a lot more of them. They're

1397
01:29:06,960 --> 01:29:12,920
Speaker 1: opening another jumbo tent. So these things are very frustrating

1398
01:29:12,960 --> 01:29:16,960
Speaker 1: to folks like myself and Mandy Fellen, the different people

1399
01:29:17,080 --> 01:29:19,400
Speaker 1: that the people who are actually on the ground working

1400
01:29:19,800 --> 01:29:23,800
Speaker 1: that are trying to get people into We know what

1401
01:29:24,680 --> 01:29:28,320
Speaker 1: we know the things that people will go into, including

1402
01:29:28,439 --> 01:29:32,080
Speaker 1: substance use help. But whenever you try to get somebody

1403
01:29:32,120 --> 01:29:34,360
Speaker 1: in it and you're told there's a three week waiting list,

1404
01:29:35,000 --> 01:29:39,519
Speaker 1: you lose that person. They want to go. Now, you've

1405
01:29:39,520 --> 01:29:43,640
Speaker 1: got to be responsive to the person's motivation in that

1406
01:29:43,840 --> 01:29:47,519
Speaker 1: moment to get the help. And it's heartbreaking for people

1407
01:29:47,600 --> 01:29:49,880
Speaker 1: like Mandy and me who are out there on the

1408
01:29:49,960 --> 01:29:55,120
Speaker 1: street and people are crying out for this help. Bullshit

1409
01:29:55,640 --> 01:29:58,400
Speaker 1: when these folks, whether it's the police or the mayor,

1410
01:29:58,560 --> 01:30:01,200
Speaker 1: say that there's the people don't want help, it's really

1411
01:30:01,240 --> 01:30:03,960
Speaker 1: disgusting because when you're on the street like we are

1412
01:30:04,400 --> 01:30:07,160
Speaker 1: and people are pleading for this help and we can't

1413
01:30:07,240 --> 01:30:12,040
Speaker 1: help them because it's not available. And and we call bullshit.

1414
01:30:12,880 --> 01:30:15,800
Speaker 1: We call bullshit on on the rhetoric that comes out

1415
01:30:16,320 --> 01:30:20,000
Speaker 1: of these people's mouths. We know the people, we see

1416
01:30:20,080 --> 01:30:24,040
Speaker 1: their faces, those tears are real, that pleading for help

1417
01:30:24,320 --> 01:30:29,519
Speaker 1: is real, and help them if we do what's right.

1418
01:30:29,800 --> 01:30:32,640
Speaker 1: And so uh, we could talk all day about some

1419
01:30:32,760 --> 01:30:35,760
Speaker 1: of the good things too, that the grassroots people like

1420
01:30:35,920 --> 01:30:40,000
Speaker 1: Mandy are out there, um just on the ground doing

1421
01:30:41,520 --> 01:30:45,639
Speaker 1: We're yes, none of us here on this call except

1422
01:30:45,680 --> 01:30:48,360
Speaker 1: for Leave. I Leave works within the system, and thank

1423
01:30:48,439 --> 01:30:50,639
Speaker 1: goodness for him. And the last thing I want to say,

1424
01:30:50,680 --> 01:30:55,280
Speaker 1: and I I'm always remiss if I don't remind remember

1425
01:30:55,400 --> 01:30:57,080
Speaker 1: to say this, but I always want to send a

1426
01:30:57,120 --> 01:31:00,920
Speaker 1: shout out. It's not the fault on the hard working

1427
01:31:01,560 --> 01:31:05,600
Speaker 1: people on the street, whether you're paid or not. I

1428
01:31:05,720 --> 01:31:08,080
Speaker 1: just want to say thanks to all of the folks

1429
01:31:08,640 --> 01:31:11,200
Speaker 1: who take on this job, paid or not, to go

1430
01:31:11,320 --> 01:31:16,200
Speaker 1: out and help people firsthand to the best with this

1431
01:31:16,360 --> 01:31:19,400
Speaker 1: shitty system that they're given. So there's a lot of

1432
01:31:19,439 --> 01:31:22,639
Speaker 1: people who take very little pay they do this because

1433
01:31:22,720 --> 01:31:26,240
Speaker 1: they care, or the volunteers who do it because they

1434
01:31:26,320 --> 01:31:29,439
Speaker 1: care to help people. And there's a lot of folks

1435
01:31:29,520 --> 01:31:32,719
Speaker 1: out and hard to help folks, and they are helping

1436
01:31:32,800 --> 01:31:36,720
Speaker 1: people one by one by one, and we need to

1437
01:31:36,840 --> 01:31:41,320
Speaker 1: support we need we have to have the support of

1438
01:31:41,720 --> 01:31:44,320
Speaker 1: the Todd Gloria's and the Nathan Fletchers of the world

1439
01:31:44,400 --> 01:31:48,320
Speaker 1: and the Gavin Newsomes to do the right thing and

1440
01:31:48,840 --> 01:31:51,360
Speaker 1: and to keep funding what works and to quit doing

1441
01:31:51,439 --> 01:31:55,920
Speaker 1: what doesn't. And so, UM, I think it's just important

1442
01:31:55,960 --> 01:31:58,599
Speaker 1: to round out by saying that, Yeah, I think it's

1443
01:31:58,640 --> 01:32:03,160
Speaker 1: pretty good. Oh, if you are out helping people, see

1444
01:32:03,200 --> 01:32:05,120
Speaker 1: it all the time on your on your social media,

1445
01:32:05,280 --> 01:32:08,760
Speaker 1: where can people find you? Uh? And how can they

1446
01:32:08,840 --> 01:32:11,360
Speaker 1: support what you're doing if it's getting people tend to

1447
01:32:11,400 --> 01:32:14,400
Speaker 1: getting people water that kind of thing. Uh, tree start

1448
01:32:14,479 --> 01:32:18,160
Speaker 1: with let's just go down to this. We'll start with Mandy.

1449
01:32:21,320 --> 01:32:24,600
Speaker 1: I usually UM kind of bum off of Michael for

1450
01:32:24,800 --> 01:32:31,840
Speaker 1: funding UM because most of everything I do, UM, I

1451
01:32:32,040 --> 01:32:38,000
Speaker 1: pay for myself. UM. So he has he does a

1452
01:32:38,080 --> 01:32:40,720
Speaker 1: go fund me and then you know he'll be like, hey,

1453
01:32:41,080 --> 01:32:43,120
Speaker 1: I gotta go fund me money, and you know, I

1454
01:32:43,200 --> 01:32:44,920
Speaker 1: meet him and he like loads up my car and

1455
01:32:45,320 --> 01:32:49,639
Speaker 1: off I go. UM. You know people can can find

1456
01:32:49,760 --> 01:32:56,440
Speaker 1: me on Twitter. UM Cooper to UM, I'm I'm very passionate.

1457
01:32:56,680 --> 01:33:01,320
Speaker 1: So UM. You know it's like because let you look

1458
01:33:01,360 --> 01:33:04,160
Speaker 1: at on my feed. UM. You know, I just I

1459
01:33:04,280 --> 01:33:07,439
Speaker 1: love these people and I want to see them because

1460
01:33:07,439 --> 01:33:10,320
Speaker 1: there I want to see them get the help. And

1461
01:33:11,240 --> 01:33:13,799
Speaker 1: one thing that Michael taught me in the very beginning

1462
01:33:13,840 --> 01:33:17,920
Speaker 1: of this, because you know I started this, um maybe

1463
01:33:17,920 --> 01:33:21,240
Speaker 1: about two or three years ago. One thing that Michael

1464
01:33:21,280 --> 01:33:23,680
Speaker 1: said to me that resonated with me because you know,

1465
01:33:24,520 --> 01:33:27,639
Speaker 1: he's you know, like I call them parades now, which

1466
01:33:27,640 --> 01:33:31,280
Speaker 1: are like liberal marches, um, you know, yelling at buildings

1467
01:33:31,320 --> 01:33:32,880
Speaker 1: when I want was in and you know, then going

1468
01:33:32,960 --> 01:33:36,760
Speaker 1: home and feeling good about what I did. UM. And

1469
01:33:36,920 --> 01:33:42,120
Speaker 1: he said, you know, Mandy, he said, social justice issue

1470
01:33:43,320 --> 01:33:52,120
Speaker 1: that everyone fights for, Black lives matter, immigration, UM, disability. UM.

1471
01:33:52,680 --> 01:33:57,080
Speaker 1: You know, all of these things come together, l G B,

1472
01:33:57,200 --> 01:34:00,200
Speaker 1: t q I A plus all of those people are

1473
01:34:00,280 --> 01:34:04,320
Speaker 1: overrepresented in the homeless population and so it shakes down

1474
01:34:05,240 --> 01:34:07,599
Speaker 1: to that and so I thought, you know, my mind

1475
01:34:07,800 --> 01:34:09,599
Speaker 1: was like blown and I was like, oh my god,

1476
01:34:09,680 --> 01:34:13,640
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not her marching for people most marginalized

1477
01:34:13,680 --> 01:34:19,080
Speaker 1: with them are living on the street. UM, and there's

1478
01:34:19,200 --> 01:34:23,400
Speaker 1: very little help for those people because unfortunately, whether what

1479
01:34:24,080 --> 01:34:28,600
Speaker 1: whatever marginalized group you come from, when you become that

1480
01:34:28,800 --> 01:34:32,400
Speaker 1: overtakes all of them. And there is a huge public

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Speaker 1: hatred for unsheltered people. And it is my parson across

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01:34:36,120 --> 01:34:40,160
Speaker 1: the board. Um so we we all just need to

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01:34:40,280 --> 01:34:42,599
Speaker 1: realize that this is you know, this is a societal

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01:34:42,680 --> 01:34:47,600
Speaker 1: failure in a social um and I hope that you know,

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01:34:48,000 --> 01:34:51,560
Speaker 1: more people would will get up and and get go

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01:34:51,720 --> 01:34:53,880
Speaker 1: to the ground and start talking to your unsheltered neighbors.

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Speaker 1: Try to build a relationship with them, reach out to

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01:34:57,200 --> 01:35:01,920
Speaker 1: their humanity. Um and and one person, if each of

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01:35:02,040 --> 01:35:04,720
Speaker 1: us just did it with one person, it would make

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01:35:04,840 --> 01:35:06,800
Speaker 1: such a difference. Even if you can't get them in

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01:35:06,880 --> 01:35:10,280
Speaker 1: housing or you don't have a lot of money, literally,

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01:35:10,439 --> 01:35:13,840
Speaker 1: just treating them like a human being means so much

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01:35:13,920 --> 01:35:19,880
Speaker 1: to these folks. Yeah, that's that's very important, Kelle. What

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01:35:19,960 --> 01:35:21,880
Speaker 1: would you like to say? Where can people find you?

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01:35:22,000 --> 01:35:25,080
Speaker 1: How can they help? That was just like how to

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01:35:25,160 --> 01:35:32,720
Speaker 1: find us? Right? I know, I thought it was great commits. Sorry, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I thought it was really good. We should have a mandy.

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Speaker 1: Um I I my name is Colleen Q. Sack c

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Speaker 1: U S A c K. You can google me and

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Speaker 1: find me. I'm in searchable on the attorney directory. My

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Speaker 1: number six two and my email address is C another

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Speaker 1: c U S A c K dot policy at gmail

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01:36:00,120 --> 01:36:08,160
Speaker 1: dot com. UM, and I'm on Twitter at symbol chan,

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01:36:08,360 --> 01:36:13,800
Speaker 1: which stands for objection Great, thank you, all right, Michael. So, I,

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01:36:14,360 --> 01:36:18,040
Speaker 1: like Mandy, I've just funded my work myself. Also, except

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01:36:18,160 --> 01:36:22,160
Speaker 1: for about oh two ago, I was out on the

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01:36:22,200 --> 01:36:26,400
Speaker 1: street film in some sweeps, watching the police and the

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01:36:26,560 --> 01:36:30,560
Speaker 1: environmental service workers throw away people's tents and and I

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01:36:30,760 --> 01:36:34,080
Speaker 1: and I UM, and I said, well, I'm gonna go

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01:36:34,160 --> 01:36:38,439
Speaker 1: get those people some new tents. Sir told me go ahead.

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01:36:38,520 --> 01:36:40,519
Speaker 1: We can throw them out faster than you can give

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01:36:40,600 --> 01:36:46,160
Speaker 1: them out. And I tweeted about that, and you know,

1513
01:36:46,240 --> 01:36:49,080
Speaker 1: I think it really you know, I struck a chord

1514
01:36:49,160 --> 01:36:54,040
Speaker 1: with people. So I've had people, but I've just had

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01:36:54,080 --> 01:36:57,280
Speaker 1: this real outpouring of of offerings to help lately. So

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01:36:57,960 --> 01:37:00,080
Speaker 1: for the first time ever, I set up a go

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01:37:00,240 --> 01:37:02,599
Speaker 1: fund Me and in the first day I just said,

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01:37:02,680 --> 01:37:05,479
Speaker 1: you know, this is just to help support encampments that

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01:37:05,560 --> 01:37:09,120
Speaker 1: are impacted by the sweeps or or whatever, or other

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01:37:09,680 --> 01:37:12,600
Speaker 1: grassroots people like Mandy who are out there. And I

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01:37:12,680 --> 01:37:15,000
Speaker 1: think I raised about three thousand dollars in the first day,

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01:37:15,040 --> 01:37:18,280
Speaker 1: and I was like, wow, that. It really was touching

1523
01:37:18,400 --> 01:37:21,360
Speaker 1: because you know, I didn't even hardly. I just put

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01:37:21,400 --> 01:37:25,679
Speaker 1: it out on Twitter, I think, and I haven't promoted

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01:37:25,720 --> 01:37:27,559
Speaker 1: it much since, but I think we're up to six

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01:37:27,680 --> 01:37:34,360
Speaker 1: or seven thousand dollars use that every day. I don't

1527
01:37:34,400 --> 01:37:39,160
Speaker 1: where are you the uh I'm retired, so I get

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01:37:39,240 --> 01:37:42,760
Speaker 1: to do this all day long. People like Mandy, they

1529
01:37:42,800 --> 01:37:45,599
Speaker 1: have a job. They're doing this as a second job

1530
01:37:45,760 --> 01:37:50,320
Speaker 1: that's unpaid. So um So what I do is is

1531
01:37:50,960 --> 01:37:55,000
Speaker 1: is is help UH is the buy stuff. I help

1532
01:37:55,080 --> 01:38:02,960
Speaker 1: other other organizations. I also promote that it uh go

1533
01:38:03,160 --> 01:38:07,000
Speaker 1: fund me of other people on my social media site.

1534
01:38:07,040 --> 01:38:10,000
Speaker 1: So I really would appreciate you following me. On Twitter

1535
01:38:10,120 --> 01:38:17,040
Speaker 1: it's at Homelessness Homelessness SD. On Facebook it's Homelessness News

1536
01:38:17,080 --> 01:38:21,160
Speaker 1: san Diego. On on Instagram it's the same, and on

1537
01:38:21,360 --> 01:38:25,360
Speaker 1: YouTube it's I think it's Homelessness New San Diego on YouTube.

1538
01:38:25,400 --> 01:38:29,080
Speaker 1: I just started a YouTube page, well, but I just

1539
01:38:29,120 --> 01:38:32,320
Speaker 1: started posting stuff on there. I have a lot of followers.

1540
01:38:32,400 --> 01:38:36,880
Speaker 1: It's a pretty active conversation, especially on Twitter. I get

1541
01:38:36,920 --> 01:38:40,280
Speaker 1: the bear's people lashing out at me, attacking me because

1542
01:38:40,280 --> 01:38:43,760
Speaker 1: they don't like me calling them out. Um, I get

1543
01:38:44,760 --> 01:38:46,840
Speaker 1: I I get haters on there too. I let them

1544
01:38:47,040 --> 01:38:52,040
Speaker 1: voice their opinion. Uh. I let the conversation flow. Um.

1545
01:38:52,880 --> 01:38:55,120
Speaker 1: But what I do is your what And I do

1546
01:38:55,240 --> 01:38:59,599
Speaker 1: warn you that, especially on Twitter, it's heart wrenching stuff.

1547
01:39:00,640 --> 01:39:04,599
Speaker 1: On the ground, I'm seeing people die. I'm seeing horrible stuff,

1548
01:39:04,720 --> 01:39:07,240
Speaker 1: and I'm sharing it with you because I think people

1549
01:39:07,280 --> 01:39:10,679
Speaker 1: deserve to know the truth. The elected officials like Mayor

1550
01:39:10,720 --> 01:39:12,880
Speaker 1: Todd Gloria, they don't want you to know the truth.

1551
01:39:12,960 --> 01:39:16,760
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna bring it to you. I've worked to

1552
01:39:16,840 --> 01:39:18,760
Speaker 1: bring you the truth that's going on out here on

1553
01:39:18,840 --> 01:39:21,880
Speaker 1: the street. And it's ugly, it's it's it's but it's

1554
01:39:21,920 --> 01:39:26,519
Speaker 1: also I also see some amazing stuff. I also see

1555
01:39:26,560 --> 01:39:31,799
Speaker 1: some amazing, heartwarming stuff. People helping people. So it's everything

1556
01:39:32,600 --> 01:39:36,839
Speaker 1: holar coaster, right, folks. So you know, just be prepared

1557
01:39:37,680 --> 01:39:40,280
Speaker 1: and from there you can find my go fund me um.

1558
01:39:41,160 --> 01:39:44,599
Speaker 1: But most of all, you can get educated on the issue,

1559
01:39:45,160 --> 01:39:49,799
Speaker 1: make up your own mind. Uh. The bullshit that's spewed

1560
01:39:49,840 --> 01:39:52,760
Speaker 1: out of city Hall. Uh, see it on the ground

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01:39:52,840 --> 01:39:58,479
Speaker 1: for yourself. Take people out with me. Uh. I do

1562
01:39:58,600 --> 01:40:00,880
Speaker 1: a lot of work with the media, but but just

1563
01:40:01,240 --> 01:40:07,160
Speaker 1: just just join the conversation. Conversation learn, donate if you

1564
01:40:07,240 --> 01:40:09,840
Speaker 1: want to learn where you can donate your time to

1565
01:40:09,920 --> 01:40:16,439
Speaker 1: other people. Yeah, message me, you can coust me. Yeah, yeah, Yeah.

1566
01:40:16,680 --> 01:40:19,639
Speaker 1: We're just real people out there doing, you know, doing

1567
01:40:21,000 --> 01:40:23,599
Speaker 1: And I worked within the system trying to I went

1568
01:40:23,640 --> 01:40:26,880
Speaker 1: to all these meetings. I spent a whole ton of

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01:40:26,960 --> 01:40:31,080
Speaker 1: money within the within the mainstream system, which I'll never

1570
01:40:31,160 --> 01:40:34,360
Speaker 1: do again because it's a black hole. So I mostly

1571
01:40:34,479 --> 01:40:39,840
Speaker 1: promote grassroots stuff and we're just out there doing it

1572
01:40:40,000 --> 01:40:43,080
Speaker 1: and and doing what we can, uh in a very

1573
01:40:43,080 --> 01:40:46,519
Speaker 1: difficult situation. But join the conversation and see what's going on.

1574
01:40:47,640 --> 01:40:50,759
Speaker 1: And thanks James. I just I appreciate all your support

1575
01:40:50,840 --> 01:40:56,320
Speaker 1: over the years, uh, both amplifying our messages, getting messages

1576
01:40:56,360 --> 01:40:58,320
Speaker 1: out on social media and just for everything that you

1577
01:40:58,479 --> 01:41:04,000
Speaker 1: do on social justice issues and and and safety issues. Um,

1578
01:41:05,200 --> 01:41:09,120
Speaker 1: so I can hold them accountable on the bike stuff. Yeah, absolutely,

1579
01:41:09,160 --> 01:41:12,080
Speaker 1: well do that's another episode. I will plug LEAVI on

1580
01:41:12,200 --> 01:41:14,680
Speaker 1: Levi's behalf because I leave. I had to jump off

1581
01:41:14,720 --> 01:41:18,679
Speaker 1: to sort out an emergency. But it's which on Twitter

1582
01:41:18,840 --> 01:41:23,960
Speaker 1: is at the Solution nine. You can find them there

1583
01:41:24,880 --> 01:41:26,519
Speaker 1: and leave. I can help folks if they are in

1584
01:41:26,560 --> 01:41:31,439
Speaker 1: San Diego access services and so yeah, that's being us today.

1585
01:41:31,680 --> 01:41:34,840
Speaker 1: Please do follow these people and be a good neighbor

1586
01:41:34,960 --> 01:41:38,000
Speaker 1: to the young housed community. Wherever you are, feel free

1587
01:41:38,040 --> 01:41:39,559
Speaker 1: to reach out to any of us if you need

1588
01:41:39,680 --> 01:41:41,800
Speaker 1: some help or advice on how to do that or

1589
01:41:41,960 --> 01:41:44,720
Speaker 1: want to come out here in San Diego. All right,

1590
01:41:44,800 --> 01:41:47,400
Speaker 1: thank you very much. Everyone appreciate you taking some of

1591
01:41:47,439 --> 01:42:05,479
Speaker 1: your afternoons. Welcome to it could happen here podcast about

1592
01:42:05,600 --> 01:42:08,360
Speaker 1: how the world is falling apart and sometimes about how

1593
01:42:08,400 --> 01:42:11,880
Speaker 1: to put it together. Today mostly about the people who

1594
01:42:11,920 --> 01:42:16,080
Speaker 1: are accelerating the falling apart. Garrison's with me, Sharen's with me.

1595
01:42:16,560 --> 01:42:20,120
Speaker 1: We are talking today about the Merchant of Death, the

1596
01:42:20,200 --> 01:42:24,760
Speaker 1: Lord of War, Victor Boot. So she probably started off

1597
01:42:24,800 --> 01:42:29,000
Speaker 1: by we're talking about Victor Boot. Victor Boots always an

1598
01:42:29,000 --> 01:42:32,320
Speaker 1: interesting topic of conversation, but he's come up recently because

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01:42:33,200 --> 01:42:36,680
Speaker 1: he's one of the people who has been proposed to

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01:42:37,120 --> 01:42:45,040
Speaker 1: be exchanged for to US citizens held by Russia, one

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01:42:45,160 --> 01:42:51,400
Speaker 1: being Brittany Grinder and one being Paul Wheelan. So I'm

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01:42:51,520 --> 01:42:55,240
Speaker 1: guessing folks are pretty familiar with the Brittany Grinder situation.

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01:42:55,560 --> 01:42:59,320
Speaker 1: If if not, what's the what's the t LDR on

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01:42:59,479 --> 01:43:03,120
Speaker 1: that t l d R is. Brittany Grinder is a

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01:43:03,280 --> 01:43:07,160
Speaker 1: two time Olympic gold medalist. She's a basketball player and

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01:43:07,880 --> 01:43:11,280
Speaker 1: she often plays offseason basketball in Russia, which tells you

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01:43:11,320 --> 01:43:15,640
Speaker 1: a lot about in wages between men and women in

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01:43:15,720 --> 01:43:20,120
Speaker 1: professional sport. And unfortunately, when she was traveling to Russia,

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01:43:20,280 --> 01:43:24,360
Speaker 1: I guess she had a weed vape cartridge in her

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01:43:24,520 --> 01:43:28,240
Speaker 1: back and so she was arrested and accused of drug smuggling.

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01:43:28,840 --> 01:43:34,560
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Yeah, which, yeah, like it's as you

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01:43:35,240 --> 01:43:37,800
Speaker 1: as as we go through this, it will become very

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01:43:37,920 --> 01:43:40,680
Speaker 1: clear that I don't think it's controversial to say that

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01:43:40,720 --> 01:43:45,439
Speaker 1: the Russian state engages in hostage taking, right for sure?

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01:43:45,800 --> 01:43:48,479
Speaker 1: Yeah don't. I don't think that's like a controversial statement

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01:43:48,560 --> 01:43:52,720
Speaker 1: that this lady is not drug smuggling. Yeah, I too

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01:43:52,840 --> 01:43:54,840
Speaker 1: would probably want to take drugs if I had to

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01:43:54,880 --> 01:43:58,040
Speaker 1: spend my off seasons in Russia. But like, it's so

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01:43:58,200 --> 01:44:01,000
Speaker 1: transparent what they're doing. It's like, don't even attempt to

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01:44:01,720 --> 01:44:05,519
Speaker 1: not it's just yeah, it's they're are being sneaky about it.

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01:44:05,560 --> 01:44:09,120
Speaker 1: They're very clearly being like, we're taking this person hostage. Yeah,

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01:44:09,240 --> 01:44:11,720
Speaker 1: and we will hold this person hostage until you give

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01:44:11,840 --> 01:44:15,200
Speaker 1: us the person that we want back, right, there and

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01:44:15,760 --> 01:44:21,120
Speaker 1: even so there was a um he was a marine

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01:44:21,240 --> 01:44:23,320
Speaker 1: held by Russia. So if there's Paul Wheeler as the

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01:44:23,400 --> 01:44:26,920
Speaker 1: other guy, right, Paul Wheeland was a Marine, he had

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01:44:26,960 --> 01:44:31,800
Speaker 1: a he didn't have a dishonorable discharge. He had what's called,

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01:44:32,479 --> 01:44:36,040
Speaker 1: i think, an other than honorable. He was doing a

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01:44:36,120 --> 01:44:39,639
Speaker 1: couple of things. He was embezzling shipped from the United

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01:44:39,680 --> 01:44:45,080
Speaker 1: States government, which is pretty based. Yeah, yeah, we should

1631
01:44:45,080 --> 01:44:48,080
Speaker 1: all be so lucky. And he was also writing bad checks.

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01:44:48,160 --> 01:44:52,519
Speaker 1: His checks were bouncing, so booted from the Marine Corps

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01:44:52,600 --> 01:44:55,280
Speaker 1: for that, and was doing some kind of private security

1634
01:44:55,320 --> 01:44:58,799
Speaker 1: work it seemed like. So he was arrested in Russia.

1635
01:45:00,439 --> 01:45:04,760
Speaker 1: Another former Marine towards Trevor Reid was arrested and his

1636
01:45:04,920 --> 01:45:09,720
Speaker 1: cases just well, it's not coming. But the guy was

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01:45:09,920 --> 01:45:12,120
Speaker 1: driving with his girlfriend at the time. They've been on

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01:45:12,160 --> 01:45:14,559
Speaker 1: a big night out there in a car. He got drunk,

1639
01:45:14,640 --> 01:45:18,960
Speaker 1: got belligerent, started getting fighty uh, and they pulled over

1640
01:45:19,120 --> 01:45:20,479
Speaker 1: and some of his mates were like, look, if you

1641
01:45:20,520 --> 01:45:24,439
Speaker 1: don't calm down so you keep fighting with us, they

1642
01:45:24,520 --> 01:45:26,760
Speaker 1: called the police. The police were like, right, we'll take

1643
01:45:26,760 --> 01:45:29,240
Speaker 1: you in, you sleep it off, deal with you in

1644
01:45:29,320 --> 01:45:31,600
Speaker 1: the morning to kick you out. And then at some

1645
01:45:31,760 --> 01:45:35,680
Speaker 1: point the next morning, the FSB turned up, which is

1646
01:45:35,800 --> 01:45:40,120
Speaker 1: like the inheritor of the legacy of the KG, like, oh, Trevor,

1647
01:45:40,360 --> 01:45:42,840
Speaker 1: why did you attack the cops last night? Why why

1648
01:45:42,960 --> 01:45:44,880
Speaker 1: did you do that? Why why would you assault the

1649
01:45:44,920 --> 01:45:47,280
Speaker 1: police the Russian police? And he was like, what are

1650
01:45:47,280 --> 01:45:49,760
Speaker 1: you talking about, bro? And they were like, yeah, you're

1651
01:45:49,760 --> 01:45:55,559
Speaker 1: going to jail. You're a spy. Yeah, the government Biden

1652
01:45:55,720 --> 01:45:59,599
Speaker 1: and the Biden swapped him out, and the two who

1653
01:45:59,640 --> 01:46:01,920
Speaker 1: are left, well, there are other people left, obviously, But

1654
01:46:02,680 --> 01:46:05,840
Speaker 1: when he stopped out for for the other guy, Trevor Read,

1655
01:46:06,760 --> 01:46:11,080
Speaker 1: I'm not sure who was traded for Trevor Read. It's

1656
01:46:11,120 --> 01:46:14,679
Speaker 1: the most like weird. I mean that nothing is too

1657
01:46:14,760 --> 01:46:17,800
Speaker 1: strange at this point, but like when you really countries

1658
01:46:17,880 --> 01:46:23,880
Speaker 1: like trading people, Yes, so strange to me. Yeah he was,

1659
01:46:24,240 --> 01:46:28,200
Speaker 1: he was. He was when who was in here on

1660
01:46:28,320 --> 01:46:33,960
Speaker 1: drug grafting charges? I guess? So they switch out Read, right,

1661
01:46:34,080 --> 01:46:37,120
Speaker 1: But Read and Weiland have become close in their captivity,

1662
01:46:37,240 --> 01:46:40,040
Speaker 1: and Read's been a big advocate for having Whelan released.

1663
01:46:40,760 --> 01:46:44,200
Speaker 1: Wiland's kind of yeah, you're taking the pit if you

1664
01:46:44,280 --> 01:46:47,479
Speaker 1: think Brittany grind is a drug traffiica. But Whillan does

1665
01:46:47,600 --> 01:46:53,120
Speaker 1: have like five different nationalities. I think he's he's got American,

1666
01:46:53,200 --> 01:46:55,320
Speaker 1: he's got Canadian, he might only have four. I think

1667
01:46:55,360 --> 01:47:00,759
Speaker 1: he's got British and Irish. So he's a former service

1668
01:47:01,200 --> 01:47:04,920
Speaker 1: member in the United States. And like, this guy was broke, right,

1669
01:47:04,960 --> 01:47:08,280
Speaker 1: he was. He was bouncing checks. As we're learning this episode.

1670
01:47:09,040 --> 01:47:12,400
Speaker 1: One of the things intelligence agencies tend to like is

1671
01:47:12,680 --> 01:47:15,559
Speaker 1: people who are bouncing checks. Those of those people are

1672
01:47:15,600 --> 01:47:18,600
Speaker 1: easy to recruit, right leg if you're if you're if

1673
01:47:18,640 --> 01:47:21,400
Speaker 1: you're trying to buy ship that you can't afford, you

1674
01:47:21,560 --> 01:47:25,280
Speaker 1: might be easier to recruit if you if they offer

1675
01:47:25,320 --> 01:47:31,559
Speaker 1: you money. Right So it's I'm not saying no idea whatsoever.

1676
01:47:31,600 --> 01:47:34,720
Speaker 1: I've got no unique insight into that, but I am

1677
01:47:34,840 --> 01:47:37,599
Speaker 1: saying that, like, his case is a little bit more interesting.

1678
01:47:37,760 --> 01:47:42,320
Speaker 1: So the United States has proposed trading Victor Boot for

1679
01:47:42,960 --> 01:47:45,320
Speaker 1: both Grinder and Wheelan that was kind of doing the

1680
01:47:45,520 --> 01:47:50,439
Speaker 1: m Aussian source confirmed it last weekend. So that's why

1681
01:47:50,560 --> 01:47:53,599
Speaker 1: we want to talk about Victor Boot today. It's spelled

1682
01:47:53,640 --> 01:47:56,200
Speaker 1: bo u t by the way, if anyone's looking up,

1683
01:47:57,280 --> 01:48:03,080
Speaker 1: if people are familiar with Victor at all, I believe

1684
01:48:03,200 --> 01:48:06,840
Speaker 1: from the Nicolas Cage film Lord of War. Have you

1685
01:48:07,000 --> 01:48:11,600
Speaker 1: seen that either of you know? I subjected Chris to it.

1686
01:48:12,760 --> 01:48:16,360
Speaker 1: Now Chris can't make the podcast, so that's good. Will

1687
01:48:16,400 --> 01:48:20,639
Speaker 1: be Nicolas cage free in this it's a pretty epic film.

1688
01:48:20,720 --> 01:48:23,680
Speaker 1: It's a good thing. Cholas Cage play boot Yeah. Oh

1689
01:48:23,800 --> 01:48:27,680
Speaker 1: fuck yeah, yeah, Like I need to see that to

1690
01:48:27,720 --> 01:48:30,960
Speaker 1: see that. I wish, I wish I could share with

1691
01:48:31,040 --> 01:48:33,280
Speaker 1: you just the scene where like he just turns to

1692
01:48:33,320 --> 01:48:38,320
Speaker 1: the camp like there's there's fifty million guns in the world.

1693
01:48:38,960 --> 01:48:41,280
Speaker 1: That's one for every twelve people on My only question

1694
01:48:41,400 --> 01:48:43,840
Speaker 1: is how do we arem the other eleven? But at

1695
01:48:43,920 --> 01:48:46,040
Speaker 1: some point he like just puffs on a fat cigar

1696
01:48:46,160 --> 01:48:48,800
Speaker 1: in the middle of that. You have an accent. No,

1697
01:48:49,000 --> 01:48:53,200
Speaker 1: he doesn't do a Russian. It's appointing. Allegedly, that's a

1698
01:48:53,320 --> 01:48:57,640
Speaker 1: real quote from from Victor boot. By the way, you

1699
01:48:57,680 --> 01:49:00,200
Speaker 1: can find a clip, we can slice it in. Yeah,

1700
01:49:00,200 --> 01:49:01,960
Speaker 1: I can find a clip. I got one. I got

1701
01:49:02,000 --> 01:49:05,200
Speaker 1: one lined up on my computer. I will send it

1702
01:49:05,400 --> 01:49:09,160
Speaker 1: to our our fair editors. There are over five hundred

1703
01:49:09,280 --> 01:49:14,200
Speaker 1: fifty million firearms and worldwide circulation. That's one firearm for

1704
01:49:14,360 --> 01:49:17,840
Speaker 1: avery twelve people on the planet. The only question is

1705
01:49:21,439 --> 01:49:25,599
Speaker 1: how do we wren in the other eleven. It's great,

1706
01:49:25,640 --> 01:49:29,080
Speaker 1: it's classic Nicholas Cage. He can't do anything wrong. It's

1707
01:49:29,200 --> 01:49:35,760
Speaker 1: so true. Ghost ghostwriter never happened. I don't know what

1708
01:49:35,840 --> 01:49:41,400
Speaker 1: you're talking about. Nope, it's been a race from my memory.

1709
01:49:42,320 --> 01:49:46,479
Speaker 1: So aside from Nicolas Cage's accent, betrayal of the film

1710
01:49:46,760 --> 01:49:51,519
Speaker 1: is in and that accurate. Notably, he didn't actually grow

1711
01:49:51,600 --> 01:49:54,920
Speaker 1: up in Brighton Beach, Old Victor. He grew up in

1712
01:49:55,080 --> 01:49:59,000
Speaker 1: Duschan bay In. That's uh. It was in the tagic

1713
01:49:59,120 --> 01:50:02,360
Speaker 1: province of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. Right now,

1714
01:50:02,439 --> 01:50:08,560
Speaker 1: it's introgugoush And we know, well, there's a lot of

1715
01:50:08,600 --> 01:50:11,400
Speaker 1: stories about this guy. It's very hard to confirm which

1716
01:50:11,479 --> 01:50:15,280
Speaker 1: of them is true. There are He's clearly told as

1717
01:50:15,360 --> 01:50:18,400
Speaker 1: many background stories as he's met new groups of people,

1718
01:50:18,439 --> 01:50:22,759
Speaker 1: when he's moved around, as his mom is on the scene.

1719
01:50:23,400 --> 01:50:25,479
Speaker 1: So we do know that his mother is still alive.

1720
01:50:25,560 --> 01:50:28,200
Speaker 1: I think she's eighty five. She will occasionally pop up

1721
01:50:28,200 --> 01:50:31,040
Speaker 1: in the Russian press and ask Joe Biden to let

1722
01:50:31,120 --> 01:50:36,040
Speaker 1: her poor innocent son go, which is very amusing. It

1723
01:50:36,160 --> 01:50:38,519
Speaker 1: was a car mechanic, so he's not like a child

1724
01:50:38,600 --> 01:50:43,360
Speaker 1: of privilege particularly, But at some point he seems to

1725
01:50:43,400 --> 01:50:47,120
Speaker 1: have joined the Soviet military, probably the Air Force, and

1726
01:50:47,280 --> 01:50:52,439
Speaker 1: he's trained at their military academy of languages. And guy's

1727
01:50:52,560 --> 01:50:56,800
Speaker 1: capacity for languages insane, Like he can go down the

1728
01:50:56,840 --> 01:51:00,280
Speaker 1: shops in like fifteen different languages. He can speak flule

1729
01:51:00,560 --> 01:51:05,439
Speaker 1: in half a dozen. He can, you know, order a

1730
01:51:05,600 --> 01:51:11,880
Speaker 1: sandwich in like twenty language. Yeah, I want that power, Yeah,

1731
01:51:12,200 --> 01:51:15,679
Speaker 1: don't we all? It seems to be like, um, these

1732
01:51:15,760 --> 01:51:19,840
Speaker 1: people who like thrive in like nonstate activities in crime

1733
01:51:19,880 --> 01:51:22,679
Speaker 1: and stuff like do seem to like having a capacity

1734
01:51:22,720 --> 01:51:26,840
Speaker 1: for language benefit in that world. And you hear about

1735
01:51:26,920 --> 01:51:31,320
Speaker 1: quite a lot later on when he's in prison in Thailand,

1736
01:51:31,760 --> 01:51:35,599
Speaker 1: he learned Sanskrit. Um. He doesn't bother to learn Thai.

1737
01:51:36,200 --> 01:51:37,960
Speaker 1: He doesn't want people to think they can understand what

1738
01:51:38,040 --> 01:51:42,439
Speaker 1: he's saying. But I'll learned sanscrit while I'm here, like

1739
01:51:42,479 --> 01:51:46,960
Speaker 1: I'm running out of options. So yeah, he's got this

1740
01:51:47,000 --> 01:51:51,920
Speaker 1: amazing capacity for language, which probably ends up with him

1741
01:51:51,960 --> 01:51:56,919
Speaker 1: being a spook. It's not like it's not for the KGB,

1742
01:51:57,640 --> 01:52:00,680
Speaker 1: but it seems that way. We know that he was

1743
01:52:00,800 --> 01:52:04,639
Speaker 1: bouncing around in Angola as part of the civil war there,

1744
01:52:04,920 --> 01:52:07,840
Speaker 1: so it's it's unlikely that he was a pay clerk

1745
01:52:07,960 --> 01:52:10,440
Speaker 1: or like the guy who changed the tires on the airplanes.

1746
01:52:12,000 --> 01:52:16,840
Speaker 1: And then to Angola, and and when the Soviet Union collapses,

1747
01:52:18,240 --> 01:52:21,559
Speaker 1: Victor is in Angola, right, or at least he gets

1748
01:52:21,600 --> 01:52:25,000
Speaker 1: to Angola pretty quickly. Not I think because it's the

1749
01:52:25,040 --> 01:52:29,479
Speaker 1: place he wanted to be, but because places that had

1750
01:52:29,640 --> 01:52:35,760
Speaker 1: the least regulations on civilian use of military aircraft. So

1751
01:52:35,880 --> 01:52:38,960
Speaker 1: this is where he goes from KGB duty speaks a

1752
01:52:39,000 --> 01:52:43,120
Speaker 1: lot of languages to beginning to be this international arms

1753
01:52:44,200 --> 01:52:48,720
Speaker 1: sort of god. And he does that by buying these

1754
01:52:48,800 --> 01:52:52,599
Speaker 1: Antonov planes. People might not be familiar with Antonov. It's

1755
01:52:52,640 --> 01:52:56,639
Speaker 1: just a giant plane. It's a huge cargo plane. Obviously

1756
01:52:56,640 --> 01:52:58,599
Speaker 1: a little bit outdated now, but you'll still see them.

1757
01:52:58,720 --> 01:53:03,519
Speaker 1: But it's like the Russian big hauler, right, carries a

1758
01:53:03,520 --> 01:53:05,960
Speaker 1: lot of stuff to a lot of places. And by

1759
01:53:06,160 --> 01:53:13,200
Speaker 1: getting those and having absolutely zero morals, he launches his career.

1760
01:53:13,360 --> 01:53:18,759
Speaker 1: And like he's not just selling weapons, he's um American

1761
01:53:18,800 --> 01:53:21,040
Speaker 1: people don't get this, Like we have this British stereotype

1762
01:53:21,040 --> 01:53:24,759
Speaker 1: of like the wheeler dealer, as epitomized by like Delboy

1763
01:53:25,160 --> 01:53:27,320
Speaker 1: in a TV series called Only Fools and Horses. But

1764
01:53:27,400 --> 01:53:30,479
Speaker 1: he's like a market trader. He'll buy whatever he thinks

1765
01:53:30,520 --> 01:53:33,880
Speaker 1: he can scorch wherever he thinks he can sell expensive. Right,

1766
01:53:34,120 --> 01:53:37,400
Speaker 1: so he's moving like frozen chicken. At one point, he's

1767
01:53:37,439 --> 01:53:42,320
Speaker 1: moving flowers from South Africa, and like throughout his career

1768
01:53:42,520 --> 01:53:48,360
Speaker 1: is this massive international arms dealer. He'll just be like, oh, chicken, right,

1769
01:53:48,439 --> 01:53:50,639
Speaker 1: let's move that chicken over here. We can make a killing.

1770
01:53:50,760 --> 01:53:54,880
Speaker 1: Like he doesn't, I think like we should stress it.

1771
01:53:54,960 --> 01:53:58,280
Speaker 1: He's not like a guy who's obsessed with with the

1772
01:53:58,439 --> 01:54:00,920
Speaker 1: guns and weapons and killing people. I don't think. I

1773
01:54:00,960 --> 01:54:04,880
Speaker 1: think he's a guy who has absolutely zero and it's

1774
01:54:04,960 --> 01:54:07,400
Speaker 1: just like, well, there's a high profit margin on guns,

1775
01:54:07,439 --> 01:54:10,400
Speaker 1: so that's where I'll move. But I don't think it's

1776
01:54:10,479 --> 01:54:14,240
Speaker 1: like there's there seems to be no moral angle to

1777
01:54:14,479 --> 01:54:19,200
Speaker 1: his his existence. Like very quickly after doing that, he's

1778
01:54:19,840 --> 01:54:23,240
Speaker 1: Democratic Republic of Congo. He's setting into Liberia in the

1779
01:54:23,320 --> 01:54:29,000
Speaker 1: conflict there Sierra Leone, Rwanda after the genocide. He's there, right,

1780
01:54:30,280 --> 01:54:36,240
Speaker 1: but he's also like transporting French troops to Rwanda, will

1781
01:54:36,320 --> 01:54:39,680
Speaker 1: be doing contracts for the United States government, for the

1782
01:54:39,760 --> 01:54:44,640
Speaker 1: British government, for most of the Western governments participate in

1783
01:54:44,760 --> 01:54:48,880
Speaker 1: the Forever War, right, And it's very funny actually, like

1784
01:54:48,920 --> 01:54:52,760
Speaker 1: if you're in the phase when the for him, which

1785
01:54:52,800 --> 01:54:54,800
Speaker 1: is a bit later when he becomes like a wanted man.

1786
01:54:56,440 --> 01:54:58,720
Speaker 1: He keeps doing these different shell companies right to avoid

1787
01:54:59,120 --> 01:55:03,040
Speaker 1: things like sanction and the way that he the way

1788
01:55:03,080 --> 01:55:06,200
Speaker 1: that the United States Department of Justice publishes their list

1789
01:55:06,280 --> 01:55:09,680
Speaker 1: there will be every year, right, no one can do

1790
01:55:09,760 --> 01:55:13,280
Speaker 1: business with these companies. They're bad, they're connected to arms dealing.

1791
01:55:13,720 --> 01:55:16,160
Speaker 1: And then the United States Department of Defense will go

1792
01:55:16,240 --> 01:55:17,840
Speaker 1: down its list of people it does business with and

1793
01:55:17,920 --> 01:55:19,600
Speaker 1: be like, oh, ship, there's like six of them who

1794
01:55:19,680 --> 01:55:24,480
Speaker 1: we were like integrally relying on. And then and so

1795
01:55:24,560 --> 01:55:27,040
Speaker 1: it's fine because they change their name and then it's

1796
01:55:27,080 --> 01:55:29,080
Speaker 1: like they're it's like Tom and Jerry or whack a mole.

1797
01:55:29,240 --> 01:55:32,400
Speaker 1: You know. He keeps popping up with these new companies. Um,

1798
01:55:33,280 --> 01:55:38,080
Speaker 1: so he sort of really gets this massive boost around

1799
01:55:38,280 --> 01:55:42,360
Speaker 1: two thousand and with eleven. So nine eleven is a

1800
01:55:42,400 --> 01:55:47,720
Speaker 1: big win for him. It's well, that's the oppisode here,

1801
01:55:48,880 --> 01:55:52,000
Speaker 1: that's the sound by Yeah, so he's super tight with

1802
01:55:52,800 --> 01:55:57,000
Speaker 1: Ahmed shah Masud. People are but that we call the

1803
01:55:57,080 --> 01:56:02,360
Speaker 1: Northern Alliance, right, um, the the people in Afghanistan who

1804
01:56:02,400 --> 01:56:06,760
Speaker 1: the United States back to fight the Taliban. He'd been

1805
01:56:06,800 --> 01:56:10,560
Speaker 1: selling weapons to Massued for a while, and he seems

1806
01:56:10,600 --> 01:56:13,920
Speaker 1: to actually like with Massud, Like he talks about him,

1807
01:56:14,560 --> 01:56:16,280
Speaker 1: and we'll get onto how we know him talking about

1808
01:56:16,360 --> 01:56:18,360
Speaker 1: him a little bit, but he talks about him very fondly.

1809
01:56:18,480 --> 01:56:23,680
Speaker 1: He's he's a big Massud guy. And so he claims

1810
01:56:23,760 --> 01:56:28,080
Speaker 1: he doesn't trade with the Taliban, and he hoped for

1811
01:56:28,160 --> 01:56:33,480
Speaker 1: a long as time until crew his plane and crew

1812
01:56:33,560 --> 01:56:36,760
Speaker 1: are held by the Taliban at an airport in Afghanistan,

1813
01:56:36,880 --> 01:56:41,160
Speaker 1: which like how did they get their Victor? And there's

1814
01:56:41,240 --> 01:56:45,840
Speaker 1: two really like how they escape. The one story is

1815
01:56:45,920 --> 01:56:48,800
Speaker 1: that like the Taliban require them to maintain this plane

1816
01:56:49,360 --> 01:56:52,360
Speaker 1: every so often because they want to be able to

1817
01:56:52,480 --> 01:56:55,520
Speaker 1: use the plane. Right, so these these Russian guys are

1818
01:56:55,600 --> 01:57:01,160
Speaker 1: these these contractors for Victor for doing the plane. And

1819
01:57:01,280 --> 01:57:06,600
Speaker 1: then they like in sort of like Michael Caine movie style,

1820
01:57:06,680 --> 01:57:09,000
Speaker 1: like cosh their guards over the head, jump start the

1821
01:57:09,080 --> 01:57:12,040
Speaker 1: plane and just pin it to the end of the runway,

1822
01:57:12,120 --> 01:57:15,280
Speaker 1: take off and fly to freedom. And that's the narrative

1823
01:57:15,960 --> 01:57:18,160
Speaker 1: popular until Victor boot was like nah, like I know

1824
01:57:18,280 --> 01:57:21,200
Speaker 1: all those people. I just called him, was like, do

1825
01:57:21,360 --> 01:57:23,520
Speaker 1: you want to do business with Victor boot or do

1826
01:57:23,560 --> 01:57:25,560
Speaker 1: you want to hold this plane hostage? Because it's one

1827
01:57:25,640 --> 01:57:29,400
Speaker 1: or the other and you're fund without me and seem yeah,

1828
01:57:29,440 --> 01:57:32,720
Speaker 1: it's a shame. I like. I like story. I like

1829
01:57:32,880 --> 01:57:36,400
Speaker 1: story to story too is objectively, in my opinion, a

1830
01:57:36,440 --> 01:57:38,640
Speaker 1: little bit more badass on his part, you know what

1831
01:57:38,720 --> 01:57:42,960
Speaker 1: I mean. Yeah, that's the power he has. Yeah, oh yeah,

1832
01:57:43,000 --> 01:57:45,080
Speaker 1: I think when this this guy clicks his fingers, the

1833
01:57:45,160 --> 01:57:49,520
Speaker 1: world the world listens. Did until he was in prison

1834
01:57:49,640 --> 01:57:53,200
Speaker 1: learning sanscript. Yeah, if you're the pilot, there's There was

1835
01:57:53,240 --> 01:57:55,200
Speaker 1: an interview I found on YouTube with one of his

1836
01:57:55,320 --> 01:57:58,480
Speaker 1: pilots as well. He's like, yeah, man, you can't do

1837
01:57:58,600 --> 01:58:00,840
Speaker 1: that for very long. He's like, what study landing? Like,

1838
01:58:00,920 --> 01:58:03,200
Speaker 1: we're being shot at woman landing, We're being shot at woman.

1839
01:58:04,480 --> 01:58:07,360
Speaker 1: We get on the ground and just like eat everything

1840
01:58:07,480 --> 01:58:09,360
Speaker 1: out the back and then just take off again, and

1841
01:58:09,560 --> 01:58:11,600
Speaker 1: like we make a ton of money because no one

1842
01:58:11,640 --> 01:58:14,560
Speaker 1: else is prepared to do that, but probably isn't great

1843
01:58:14,560 --> 01:58:19,080
Speaker 1: for your long term well being. And so he's by

1844
01:58:20,120 --> 01:58:22,920
Speaker 1: the peak of his career in the early two thousand,

1845
01:58:23,240 --> 01:58:27,440
Speaker 1: he's got hundreds of employees. He's got sixty aircraft and

1846
01:58:28,400 --> 01:58:31,880
Speaker 1: he has moved his operation to Charger, which is a

1847
01:58:32,000 --> 01:58:36,720
Speaker 1: very sort of conservative emirate. It's a twist, alright's right,

1848
01:58:37,720 --> 01:58:40,760
Speaker 1: but it has what's called a free trade zone, so

1849
01:58:41,080 --> 01:58:43,040
Speaker 1: on on top of all his other ship, he's also

1850
01:58:43,880 --> 01:58:48,920
Speaker 1: not paying import export taxes and so he's based there,

1851
01:58:49,080 --> 01:58:51,040
Speaker 1: which seems to allow him to operate pretty much with that.

1852
01:58:52,360 --> 01:58:57,160
Speaker 1: He's moving a ton of small arms from Ukraine. So

1853
01:58:57,760 --> 01:59:00,560
Speaker 1: at the end of the Soviet Union, Crane makes a

1854
01:59:00,600 --> 01:59:04,240
Speaker 1: big thing of being like we're returning on nuclear weapons. Right,

1855
01:59:04,320 --> 01:59:06,320
Speaker 1: people will be familiar with this that they don't want

1856
01:59:06,360 --> 01:59:11,600
Speaker 1: their nukes are but they also amassed just an incredible

1857
01:59:11,640 --> 01:59:17,160
Speaker 1: amount of small arms, right, So that's like guns, bombs, grenades,

1858
01:59:17,960 --> 01:59:21,840
Speaker 1: things like that, right, machine guns. And because a bunch

1859
01:59:21,920 --> 01:59:26,920
Speaker 1: of the small arms are stored in Ukraine, that becomes

1860
01:59:27,000 --> 01:59:29,960
Speaker 1: like the nexus for the black market. And we think

1861
01:59:30,000 --> 01:59:33,520
Speaker 1: that if ethnically Ukrainian, and he certainly seems to have

1862
01:59:33,720 --> 01:59:38,360
Speaker 1: just been shoveling weapons out of Ukraine to conflicts in

1863
01:59:38,760 --> 01:59:41,800
Speaker 1: largely there's a civil war that you know about in

1864
01:59:41,840 --> 01:59:45,000
Speaker 1: Africa or one that you don't know about. Probably both

1865
01:59:45,000 --> 01:59:47,320
Speaker 1: sides were using his weapons like that, that's a that's

1866
01:59:47,320 --> 01:59:51,520
Speaker 1: a fair assumption to make. And by the late nineties

1867
01:59:51,520 --> 01:59:56,840
Speaker 1: early two thousands, he's selling everywhere and business to laund

1868
01:59:56,880 --> 02:00:00,960
Speaker 1: the money for other leagal activities and he was he

1869
02:00:01,160 --> 02:00:03,800
Speaker 1: was linked to the Kaddafi regime. He was also selling

1870
02:00:03,840 --> 02:00:07,320
Speaker 1: to rebels in Libya. Um, so it's a huge operation.

1871
02:00:07,400 --> 02:00:12,360
Speaker 1: He's the go to guy for weapons, right, and he

1872
02:00:12,480 --> 02:00:16,160
Speaker 1: sort of comes and they interpolo after him. In two

1873
02:00:16,200 --> 02:00:19,720
Speaker 1: thousand and two, there's a Belgian warrant for him, but

1874
02:00:19,840 --> 02:00:23,280
Speaker 1: Belgium as of having to drop their case because it's

1875
02:00:23,320 --> 02:00:25,040
Speaker 1: unclear where he lives, so they can't be like, yeah,

1876
02:00:25,080 --> 02:00:28,240
Speaker 1: he's a resident here, he's a Belgian resident, because like

1877
02:00:28,360 --> 02:00:31,040
Speaker 1: now this this guy keeps moving around like it's not

1878
02:00:31,120 --> 02:00:34,600
Speaker 1: clear if you have jurisdiction. And Central African Republic also

1879
02:00:34,720 --> 02:00:37,560
Speaker 1: I think had a warrant out for him, but they

1880
02:00:37,600 --> 02:00:42,840
Speaker 1: haven't I guess, been successful in serving that warrant um

1881
02:00:44,200 --> 02:00:46,080
Speaker 1: in the In the Belgian when they dropped their case,

1882
02:00:46,280 --> 02:00:48,480
Speaker 1: they noted that it would be impossible and very time

1883
02:00:48,560 --> 02:00:52,960
Speaker 1: consuming to prosecute him, which is kind of funny given

1884
02:00:53,520 --> 02:00:56,680
Speaker 1: that he's doing a lot of crimes. But despite this,

1885
02:00:56,760 --> 02:01:00,240
Speaker 1: in two thousand and three, he does this incredible New

1886
02:01:00,320 --> 02:01:06,880
Speaker 1: York Times, like this thousands of words profile interview of

1887
02:01:07,480 --> 02:01:11,080
Speaker 1: the world's largest arm stealer. It's like a relic of

1888
02:01:11,120 --> 02:01:16,480
Speaker 1: another era of journalism. They send this writer to like

1889
02:01:17,040 --> 02:01:20,560
Speaker 1: look for Victor Boo, to try and find Victor Boo. Yeah,

1890
02:01:21,160 --> 02:01:24,320
Speaker 1: two thousand and three, there was a different era that

1891
02:01:24,520 --> 02:01:28,840
Speaker 1: was completely different. Yeah, yeah, that is. Yeah, it's a shame.

1892
02:01:28,960 --> 02:01:30,280
Speaker 1: You look at I look. I looked at it, and

1893
02:01:30,360 --> 02:01:33,800
Speaker 1: I just couldn't help this. But they just let this

1894
02:01:33,880 --> 02:01:36,840
Speaker 1: person expense a shift out of flights. Wow, like this,

1895
02:01:37,520 --> 02:01:40,920
Speaker 1: this doesn't happen anymore. Such a shame. I would love

1896
02:01:40,960 --> 02:01:43,000
Speaker 1: to go to a Russian nightclub and drink carriage juice

1897
02:01:43,040 --> 02:01:47,160
Speaker 1: with armed stealers on the job. Yeah. Yeah, and then

1898
02:01:48,200 --> 02:01:51,400
Speaker 1: that to the New York Times and yeah, in the

1899
02:01:51,480 --> 02:01:56,880
Speaker 1: PC drinks carriage Jews. He's vegetarian, he caught himself, a

1900
02:01:57,000 --> 02:02:04,280
Speaker 1: scapegoat and a family man. He's what a hero every

1901
02:02:04,360 --> 02:02:07,320
Speaker 1: day Joe trying to sell some kalashnikovs to people who

1902
02:02:07,360 --> 02:02:12,400
Speaker 1: are doing genocide and he is does this interview. How

1903
02:02:12,480 --> 02:02:17,280
Speaker 1: we know a lot about him? Yes? That and his Uh,

1904
02:02:17,960 --> 02:02:25,120
Speaker 1: this man loves a hand the home video, right, international

1905
02:02:25,280 --> 02:02:29,400
Speaker 1: crimes the best idea we ever had. Quirky little dude,

1906
02:02:29,800 --> 02:02:32,280
Speaker 1: but he's not doing crimes in his videos. He just

1907
02:02:32,560 --> 02:02:37,640
Speaker 1: looks like like ah I from the office, who is

1908
02:02:37,680 --> 02:02:40,080
Speaker 1: just like the most mundane dude and ill fitting suit.

1909
02:02:40,960 --> 02:02:44,280
Speaker 1: He just looks like a salary man who drives like

1910
02:02:44,760 --> 02:02:47,320
Speaker 1: a regular car and on the weekends like to like

1911
02:02:47,400 --> 02:02:50,720
Speaker 1: go to Buffalo Wild Wings and what sports events, like

1912
02:02:50,960 --> 02:02:55,040
Speaker 1: he or to slide with his like white ass body

1913
02:02:55,120 --> 02:02:56,600
Speaker 1: and pot belly at one point in one of these

1914
02:02:56,640 --> 02:03:00,560
Speaker 1: home videos, and like he just yeah, he just strikes

1915
02:03:00,600 --> 02:03:05,200
Speaker 1: you as the most boring family guy. Like he's not.

1916
02:03:05,960 --> 02:03:11,600
Speaker 1: He seems to be like more drugs one point. It's

1917
02:03:12,120 --> 02:03:16,360
Speaker 1: fascinating and bizarre and one of assuming he has children

1918
02:03:16,440 --> 02:03:19,040
Speaker 1: if he's a family man. I think he does have children,

1919
02:03:19,080 --> 02:03:21,520
Speaker 1: certainly has a wife. His wife is out there. His

1920
02:03:21,640 --> 02:03:25,240
Speaker 1: wife is pretty vocal about let me let my man

1921
02:03:25,360 --> 02:03:29,160
Speaker 1: go right right right, Yeah, so I'm pretty sure he

1922
02:03:29,200 --> 02:03:32,160
Speaker 1: does have children. Yeah, probably more than we know about,

1923
02:03:32,440 --> 02:03:34,760
Speaker 1: but maybe not. Maybe he's your wife guy. Well, I

1924
02:03:34,840 --> 02:03:38,400
Speaker 1: just think it's funny in these home vid like he's yeah,

1925
02:03:38,880 --> 02:03:44,840
Speaker 1: like no one else, no family, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1926
02:03:45,400 --> 02:03:49,400
Speaker 1: that would be pretty yeah, that would be pretty pretty entertaining.

1927
02:03:49,800 --> 02:03:54,120
Speaker 1: So two thousand and three, where it's the the article

1928
02:03:54,200 --> 02:03:57,680
Speaker 1: clearly has these two like it's named after George Bernard

1929
02:03:57,720 --> 02:04:01,360
Speaker 1: Shaw play called Arms and the Man, and it's just

1930
02:04:01,600 --> 02:04:06,880
Speaker 1: like epic and meandering and very long. And he talks

1931
02:04:06,920 --> 02:04:10,680
Speaker 1: about in the article. He's like, look, they're using me

1932
02:04:11,000 --> 02:04:15,600
Speaker 1: as like this is a thing that like the reason

1933
02:04:15,800 --> 02:04:19,480
Speaker 1: there that it's very hard to prosecute Victor boot is

1934
02:04:19,560 --> 02:04:23,000
Speaker 1: because there are not that many laws against arms stealing.

1935
02:04:23,240 --> 02:04:25,960
Speaker 1: And the reason there are not that many laws against

1936
02:04:26,080 --> 02:04:32,080
Speaker 1: arm stealing heedral to how we do foreign policy, right,

1937
02:04:32,200 --> 02:04:35,320
Speaker 1: Like we are hosed without people like Victor Boo. And

1938
02:04:35,440 --> 02:04:39,160
Speaker 1: that's like the other side of this coin that yeah,

1939
02:04:39,240 --> 02:04:41,440
Speaker 1: we need a Nicolas Cage bad guy to pin this

1940
02:04:41,480 --> 02:04:45,680
Speaker 1: stuff on. And yeah, he pretty horrific things or sold

1941
02:04:45,720 --> 02:04:51,480
Speaker 1: weapons to people who did horrific things, but he what

1942
02:04:51,680 --> 02:04:55,800
Speaker 1: he's doing is not that like abnormal and it's not

1943
02:04:56,080 --> 02:05:00,720
Speaker 1: that always illegal. And as we'll see tr into like

1944
02:05:01,400 --> 02:05:06,520
Speaker 1: gross entrapment to arrest this guy, and he is right

1945
02:05:06,640 --> 02:05:10,280
Speaker 1: that like is he really the biggest arms deader in

1946
02:05:10,320 --> 02:05:13,600
Speaker 1: the world or is that like Dick Cheney or you know,

1947
02:05:13,800 --> 02:05:20,280
Speaker 1: Lockheed Martin or that's raytheon, Like, is he really any

1948
02:05:20,360 --> 02:05:22,640
Speaker 1: more evil than like I live in San Diego, right

1949
02:05:22,760 --> 02:05:25,280
Speaker 1: or most of the companies I just mentioned have offices

1950
02:05:25,320 --> 02:05:27,360
Speaker 1: here a road past one of them today, you know,

1951
02:05:27,640 --> 02:05:30,800
Speaker 1: and those people also go on the waterside with their kids.

1952
02:05:32,440 --> 02:05:34,680
Speaker 1: He does have a kid. He has a daughter, one

1953
02:05:34,800 --> 02:05:39,160
Speaker 1: daughter or a child, I don't know, born in the Emirates,

1954
02:05:39,640 --> 02:05:45,160
Speaker 1: and they really are now. Yeah, he's a great dad.

1955
02:05:46,600 --> 02:05:52,120
Speaker 1: He's been in jail. Yeah, he has a wife to Allah.

1956
02:05:52,200 --> 02:05:56,640
Speaker 1: It's his wife, just she was. She's a fair bit

1957
02:05:56,680 --> 02:06:01,120
Speaker 1: younger than him. Um so as he's really lost weight

1958
02:06:01,160 --> 02:06:04,720
Speaker 1: in jail. And he's looking pretty good picture of him,

1959
02:06:04,720 --> 02:06:08,880
Speaker 1: but with a mustache and stuff. He's really he's having

1960
02:06:08,920 --> 02:06:14,960
Speaker 1: a glow up, I think in jail. Are you pretty

1961
02:06:15,000 --> 02:06:18,080
Speaker 1: thirsty for Victor? Here? Yeah? You look at that mustache.

1962
02:06:18,160 --> 02:06:22,160
Speaker 1: Tell me you could say no. And one of the

1963
02:06:22,200 --> 02:06:23,960
Speaker 1: things he says in this interview, which is interesting, is

1964
02:06:24,280 --> 02:06:26,880
Speaker 1: if I told you everything I know, I'd get the

1965
02:06:27,000 --> 02:06:29,440
Speaker 1: red hole right here, and then points to the middle

1966
02:06:29,480 --> 02:06:34,280
Speaker 1: of his forehead. I wonder when he meant by that. Yeah,

1967
02:06:35,120 --> 02:06:39,160
Speaker 1: a poet, he has a way with words. Yeah, and yeah,

1968
02:06:39,240 --> 02:06:42,560
Speaker 1: he's got some of these great one liners and which

1969
02:06:43,640 --> 02:06:47,000
Speaker 1: it's people have recently like reinterpreted that to be like

1970
02:06:47,280 --> 02:06:51,040
Speaker 1: does he know some ship about put it which is

1971
02:06:52,000 --> 02:06:55,840
Speaker 1: to exchange it? Or is he just saying that like

1972
02:06:56,760 --> 02:07:00,360
Speaker 1: like he might possibly have something like signed by someone

1973
02:07:00,400 --> 02:07:02,880
Speaker 1: who's today a senator, right, like engaging in business with

1974
02:07:02,960 --> 02:07:05,600
Speaker 1: one of his companies or something like that, because that's

1975
02:07:05,640 --> 02:07:10,280
Speaker 1: how this works. Yeah, I don't know. He's rich and powerful.

1976
02:07:10,320 --> 02:07:12,200
Speaker 1: People have probably done business with him, whether they knew

1977
02:07:12,200 --> 02:07:16,240
Speaker 1: it or not, and he's aware of this. So that

1978
02:07:17,120 --> 02:07:19,480
Speaker 1: article really bounces him up in the sort of world

1979
02:07:19,560 --> 02:07:23,080
Speaker 1: Bad Guys List, which is when Nick Cage steps in,

1980
02:07:24,440 --> 02:07:27,760
Speaker 1: makes a whole just there's a whole vibe about it

1981
02:07:27,920 --> 02:07:31,640
Speaker 1: that moves the person to Brighton beach Um because I

1982
02:07:31,680 --> 02:07:37,800
Speaker 1: guess American audiences don't know is yeah to Gikastan no less.

1983
02:07:40,240 --> 02:07:43,640
Speaker 1: If you're looking for a film the notorious Mr Boot

1984
02:07:44,720 --> 02:07:49,520
Speaker 1: that's the Home Videos Sundance Film Festival Award winner just

1985
02:07:50,120 --> 02:07:53,080
Speaker 1: depicting his dad bought adventures. I think I think it's

1986
02:07:53,080 --> 02:08:00,280
Speaker 1: worth a serious It was at Sundance. Yeah, it's classic. Yeah,

1987
02:08:00,280 --> 02:08:04,200
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure they keep working with me. I know

1988
02:08:04,760 --> 02:08:07,600
Speaker 1: all the time, and I will believe anything at this point,

1989
02:08:07,920 --> 02:08:14,160
Speaker 1: so crazy. I quourteen film yep screen the sun Dance

1990
02:08:14,200 --> 02:08:19,000
Speaker 1: Film Festival. Holy shit, yep, it's a classic. Um, it's

1991
02:08:19,040 --> 02:08:25,320
Speaker 1: got It's got some real scenes seriously like on Rotten Tomatoes. Yep.

1992
02:08:25,680 --> 02:08:29,120
Speaker 1: And if you watch actually you get it. There's like

1993
02:08:29,240 --> 02:08:32,280
Speaker 1: some pictures of him like dad dancing with his his

1994
02:08:32,440 --> 02:08:35,600
Speaker 1: partner at the time. It's just yeah, it's good stuff.

1995
02:08:36,640 --> 02:08:39,400
Speaker 1: I would recommend it. And there's picture to him around

1996
02:08:39,440 --> 02:08:43,240
Speaker 1: lots of weapons. Obviously you're about Boots yep, yep, tourist

1997
02:08:43,320 --> 02:08:47,200
Speaker 1: Mr Boots. Yeah, it's a kitty. It's yeah, it's very

1998
02:08:47,360 --> 02:08:50,280
Speaker 1: very busy. It's just a quirky little dude, Like what

1999
02:08:50,920 --> 02:08:57,600
Speaker 1: is what a little a little dude? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

2000
02:08:57,640 --> 02:08:59,720
Speaker 1: there's a picture of impertend I know what I mean.

2001
02:09:00,000 --> 02:09:06,320
Speaker 1: It's not like he's just do you expect him to

2002
02:09:06,360 --> 02:09:09,400
Speaker 1: be like evil and I don't know, smoking in a

2003
02:09:09,480 --> 02:09:11,400
Speaker 1: dark room all the time. No, this is how they

2004
02:09:11,440 --> 02:09:15,280
Speaker 1: get away with it. Yeah. Yeah, Like you would see

2005
02:09:15,320 --> 02:09:17,840
Speaker 1: this guy right like you go to the lounge like

2006
02:09:18,960 --> 02:09:22,040
Speaker 1: my life, it lounges in like small airparts in like

2007
02:09:22,920 --> 02:09:26,560
Speaker 1: the Middle East Africa whenever trying to fly cheap. You

2008
02:09:26,600 --> 02:09:28,840
Speaker 1: would see the student the lounge, and you wouldn't be like, oh,

2009
02:09:28,920 --> 02:09:32,800
Speaker 1: there goes in international arms dealer. It'd be like if

2010
02:09:32,840 --> 02:09:39,080
Speaker 1: that man is in conductors or you know, yeah, yeah,

2011
02:09:39,320 --> 02:09:44,440
Speaker 1: like he's not, he's not the joker, and no, he

2012
02:09:44,640 --> 02:09:46,120
Speaker 1: is a joker that you can see him having some

2013
02:09:46,160 --> 02:09:51,920
Speaker 1: good old japes in this film. When Nicholas Cage plays him,

2014
02:09:51,960 --> 02:09:55,200
Speaker 1: he doesn't even have a mustache. I know that's disappointed

2015
02:09:55,520 --> 02:09:59,680
Speaker 1: because that is his trademark feature. Well okay, okay, So

2016
02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:04,640
Speaker 1: technically the character Nicholas Cage plays is a fictional illegal

2017
02:10:04,840 --> 02:10:09,760
Speaker 1: arms dealer based on the stories of Victor about another

2018
02:10:09,880 --> 02:10:14,600
Speaker 1: real life arms dealers and smugglers. They want to play

2019
02:10:14,800 --> 02:10:17,880
Speaker 1: both ways. Yeah, so I've just got to bitness trailer

2020
02:10:17,920 --> 02:10:20,400
Speaker 1: where it's just like eye contact with the camera, hip

2021
02:10:20,440 --> 02:10:25,640
Speaker 1: thrusting and it's wow. Okay, well, thank you for that description.

2022
02:10:26,120 --> 02:10:29,040
Speaker 1: That's all right, that's all right, guys cut the edge

2023
02:10:29,080 --> 02:10:32,360
Speaker 1: of journalism here. Yes, that's right, all right, So we

2024
02:10:32,360 --> 02:10:35,680
Speaker 1: should return to to the narrative and not my description

2025
02:10:35,840 --> 02:10:42,120
Speaker 1: of a Victor beat dancing. So, um, his arrest is

2026
02:10:42,200 --> 02:10:45,680
Speaker 1: kind of fascinating and again, like his arrest is one

2027
02:10:45,720 --> 02:10:48,040
Speaker 1: of those things where you're like, oh, this is terrible,

2028
02:10:48,160 --> 02:10:51,520
Speaker 1: and then you realize that again, we do this ship

2029
02:10:51,680 --> 02:10:56,520
Speaker 1: all the time, right, and so to understand his arrest,

2030
02:10:56,560 --> 02:11:00,320
Speaker 1: you've got to first understand this guy Andrew Smoollian uh former,

2031
02:11:00,400 --> 02:11:02,160
Speaker 1: he's British, he's born in Britain, but he's a South

2032
02:11:02,200 --> 02:11:07,200
Speaker 1: African Air Force officer. Then he goes into commercial flying,

2033
02:11:07,880 --> 02:11:11,320
Speaker 1: but at some point he's turned by their intent delivering

2034
02:11:11,480 --> 02:11:13,720
Speaker 1: shipments of stuff and then doing a little bit spying

2035
02:11:13,760 --> 02:11:18,960
Speaker 1: on the side. Spying on the side. Yeah, yeah, who's

2036
02:11:19,000 --> 02:11:23,480
Speaker 1: the longest hasn't found themselves doing a little Everyone has

2037
02:11:23,520 --> 02:11:27,120
Speaker 1: their side hustles, a side spying for the doing in

2038
02:11:27,160 --> 02:11:29,840
Speaker 1: the Aparthei era, but probably we're certainly in their military

2039
02:11:29,840 --> 02:11:33,400
Speaker 1: in the Aparthei era. Yikes. Yeah, smoothly is not not

2040
02:11:33,520 --> 02:11:36,880
Speaker 1: a man with morals, I don't think, as we'll find out.

2041
02:11:37,000 --> 02:11:41,839
Speaker 1: So Simolean has fallen on hard times by two thousand

2042
02:11:41,880 --> 02:11:47,120
Speaker 1: and is working in a hypodermic syringe factory in Tanzania.

2043
02:11:48,000 --> 02:11:50,760
Speaker 1: And that's just the fact that I found without context,

2044
02:11:50,840 --> 02:11:53,240
Speaker 1: and I haven't felt any need to research further. And

2045
02:11:54,640 --> 02:12:00,760
Speaker 1: at that point, slowly it's contacted by generals, right um

2046
02:12:01,480 --> 02:12:06,680
Speaker 1: Revolutionary enforces Columbia. Fuck right left wing Marxist guerrilla group

2047
02:12:06,960 --> 02:12:10,560
Speaker 1: that have been fighting in the Jungles for I think

2048
02:12:10,600 --> 02:12:13,480
Speaker 1: they're one of the world's longest insurgencies for decades. And

2049
02:12:15,480 --> 02:12:19,960
Speaker 1: these fuck generals are like, hey, Smooleian, come and meet

2050
02:12:20,080 --> 02:12:24,640
Speaker 1: us in a tiki bar in curis out and we

2051
02:12:24,800 --> 02:12:27,600
Speaker 1: will have a chat. Smoleyan right, he wants to get

2052
02:12:27,600 --> 02:12:31,280
Speaker 1: out the syringe factory, so he's got about it. He

2053
02:12:31,400 --> 02:12:35,400
Speaker 1: hops on the plane and they meet in a tiki bar, right,

2054
02:12:35,400 --> 02:12:37,200
Speaker 1: which is obviously a good place to do at armsteel

2055
02:12:37,560 --> 02:12:41,760
Speaker 1: and very I mean movies are right about that. Stop

2056
02:12:41,800 --> 02:12:45,280
Speaker 1: going down in yep, that's a that's the one thing

2057
02:12:45,360 --> 02:12:49,960
Speaker 1: that was in fact Cinematic University Victor Boot. So um,

2058
02:12:50,160 --> 02:12:52,360
Speaker 1: they're in the tiki bar right now. It should be

2059
02:12:52,440 --> 02:12:55,440
Speaker 1: noted that these two farn generals, shockingly are not really

2060
02:12:55,560 --> 02:13:00,720
Speaker 1: fun generals. They are d e A assets. In fact,

2061
02:13:01,040 --> 02:13:05,520
Speaker 1: they have been This isn't the Colombian Armed Forces, but

2062
02:13:05,600 --> 02:13:08,080
Speaker 1: they've decided to pivot to a career in selling cocaine,

2063
02:13:08,720 --> 02:13:12,360
Speaker 1: and in that career pivot they've unfortunately come into contact

2064
02:13:12,400 --> 02:13:15,880
Speaker 1: with the d A, which is generally not good. Yeah right,

2065
02:13:15,880 --> 02:13:19,880
Speaker 1: they're just trying to sell cocaine and do the other thing. Yeah. Yeah,

2066
02:13:20,080 --> 02:13:23,480
Speaker 1: they're just vibing and killing indigenous people. Probably. They have

2067
02:13:23,520 --> 02:13:25,920
Speaker 1: a pretty rough record in the Colombian military. It's fair

2068
02:13:25,960 --> 02:13:29,760
Speaker 1: to say so. D A C. C. M Is like, yet,

2069
02:13:29,840 --> 02:13:32,880
Speaker 1: those are our people, and gives them a ton of

2070
02:13:32,920 --> 02:13:37,720
Speaker 1: money citizenship families, I believe, and turns them right. Asked

2071
02:13:37,760 --> 02:13:40,800
Speaker 1: him to pretend to be fun generals, which they're like, yeah,

2072
02:13:41,040 --> 02:13:43,360
Speaker 1: can you can you spell the word you're saying, what

2073
02:13:43,720 --> 02:13:51,280
Speaker 1: is the fun? Yeah? F A r C matas Okay, yeah,

2074
02:13:51,600 --> 02:13:55,760
Speaker 1: thank you? Yeah, like sorry, f A R C. Fuck.

2075
02:13:56,200 --> 02:13:57,640
Speaker 1: I might have got the act I am. I am

2076
02:13:57,760 --> 02:14:01,480
Speaker 1: someone that does not know what that is. So honest

2077
02:14:01,520 --> 02:14:05,800
Speaker 1: about that. Sorry, you know, there's no reason to unless

2078
02:14:05,840 --> 02:14:11,840
Speaker 1: you're a global conflict understand the slash doc. They're very

2079
02:14:11,960 --> 02:14:15,280
Speaker 1: nice people, some of them actually, Um they've started micro

2080
02:14:15,400 --> 02:14:20,080
Speaker 1: brewery now, Um, yeah, they have a micro brewery. Anything

2081
02:14:20,120 --> 02:14:23,240
Speaker 1: you say that, fucking I will send you a store brewery.

2082
02:14:23,800 --> 02:14:26,840
Speaker 1: Unlike Scarred by Robert, he just tells me all these

2083
02:14:27,000 --> 02:14:29,360
Speaker 1: crazy things that are not true. And I believe I'm

2084
02:14:29,440 --> 02:14:31,480
Speaker 1: not like Robert. I'm a man of the truth. I'm

2085
02:14:31,480 --> 02:14:34,360
Speaker 1: gonna I would drop it in the chat like, yeah,

2086
02:14:34,400 --> 02:14:38,280
Speaker 1: they definitely have started a micro brewery. These are such

2087
02:14:38,280 --> 02:14:43,600
Speaker 1: a weird little dudes. I'm saying, Okay, actually the person

2088
02:14:43,680 --> 02:14:48,080
Speaker 1: who runs a micro brewery is a woman. Uh good,

2089
02:14:48,320 --> 02:14:55,840
Speaker 1: good for her feminism. We love girl bus funk. We're

2090
02:14:55,880 --> 02:14:57,760
Speaker 1: very committed to dender quart with you. They had women

2091
02:14:57,840 --> 02:15:01,720
Speaker 1: there in their in their military. Yeah, we'll do an

2092
02:15:01,760 --> 02:15:03,200
Speaker 1: episode of Robert and I want to go to the

2093
02:15:03,320 --> 02:15:07,400
Speaker 1: micro brewery. It's one of my why not sure, We've

2094
02:15:07,640 --> 02:15:12,520
Speaker 1: we've got this far. No one's caught us out. So anyway, Interestingly,

2095
02:15:12,960 --> 02:15:16,560
Speaker 1: the US government had just done exactly the same thing

2096
02:15:16,800 --> 02:15:20,120
Speaker 1: to Monzer al Kassa, who's a Syrian arms dealer. They've

2097
02:15:20,160 --> 02:15:22,960
Speaker 1: done the same we're too farck, generals, we would like

2098
02:15:23,040 --> 02:15:27,000
Speaker 1: to buy these weapons, And in the discussion the quo

2099
02:15:27,240 --> 02:15:31,200
Speaker 1: fuck generals are like, we would like to buy these

2100
02:15:31,240 --> 02:15:34,720
Speaker 1: weapons to kill Yankees. We want to kill Americans. It

2101
02:15:34,800 --> 02:15:37,160
Speaker 1: would be great to have this gun with a sniper

2102
02:15:37,240 --> 02:15:39,360
Speaker 1: scope so we could see if they're American before we

2103
02:15:39,440 --> 02:15:43,720
Speaker 1: shoot them. Just like this is where this is where

2104
02:15:43,760 --> 02:15:45,600
Speaker 1: we get to like the entrapment, right, and this really

2105
02:15:45,720 --> 02:15:47,400
Speaker 1: is like yeah, whatever, bro, like you want guns. I

2106
02:15:47,440 --> 02:15:50,560
Speaker 1: know a guy and they're like to kill the Americans.

2107
02:15:50,600 --> 02:15:54,560
Speaker 1: So and he's like, yeah, dude, whatever you need. Okay,

2108
02:15:54,680 --> 02:15:59,120
Speaker 1: it's getting weird um. But then Smoothly and so he

2109
02:15:59,360 --> 02:16:02,560
Speaker 1: is go, okay, so my guy's Victor boot v I

2110
02:16:03,000 --> 02:16:06,520
Speaker 1: K T O R B O U T Oh my god,

2111
02:16:07,520 --> 02:16:10,920
Speaker 1: which that is? That is a poor move and Smoothy's part.

2112
02:16:12,520 --> 02:16:16,680
Speaker 1: So Smoody drops him in organize a meeting, right the

2113
02:16:16,720 --> 02:16:21,440
Speaker 1: two generals quote unquote generals and Victor in a hotel

2114
02:16:21,720 --> 02:16:28,200
Speaker 1: in Bangkok, and that is where the Victor boots story

2115
02:16:28,280 --> 02:16:32,280
Speaker 1: sort of ends, at least the free Victor. So they

2116
02:16:32,360 --> 02:16:36,560
Speaker 1: go through the deal and again he's being like, I

2117
02:16:36,640 --> 02:16:38,760
Speaker 1: can't believe he conducted his whole life like this because

2118
02:16:38,879 --> 02:16:42,360
Speaker 1: his his degree of concern with security is minimal. That

2119
02:16:42,480 --> 02:16:45,480
Speaker 1: he'll be like, you guys are getting like five thousand

2120
02:16:45,600 --> 02:16:49,080
Speaker 1: a k also some surface to wear missiles and like

2121
02:16:49,200 --> 02:16:55,120
Speaker 1: writing it on the hotel notepad. Amazing. Yeah, Like normally

2122
02:16:55,160 --> 02:16:59,400
Speaker 1: this isn't the Like the d A rolled a yakuza

2123
02:16:59,600 --> 02:17:03,360
Speaker 1: arms recently and they had to explain he was talking

2124
02:17:03,400 --> 02:17:06,440
Speaker 1: about cake and ice cream. He meant like surface to

2125
02:17:06,480 --> 02:17:12,600
Speaker 1: wear missiles the same for me. Actually, yeah, I'm just

2126
02:17:12,640 --> 02:17:16,440
Speaker 1: going to head down to the cake shop. That guy

2127
02:17:16,520 --> 02:17:19,320
Speaker 1: funked up by sending a selfie of him weapon to

2128
02:17:19,480 --> 02:17:24,160
Speaker 1: the Jesus Christ. Yeah, yeah, it's good. It's a good picture.

2129
02:17:24,840 --> 02:17:27,200
Speaker 1: I'll send you that picture because he does look like

2130
02:17:27,240 --> 02:17:31,640
Speaker 1: an international supervillain. He has blue aviators. I think, like,

2131
02:17:32,400 --> 02:17:35,360
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, some people know they're playing the part,

2132
02:17:35,480 --> 02:17:37,280
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Yeah, you gotta lean in,

2133
02:17:37,760 --> 02:17:42,600
Speaker 1: and he leans in. But so about is in this

2134
02:17:42,920 --> 02:17:45,160
Speaker 1: in this room, but he's negotiating with his two Colombian

2135
02:17:45,200 --> 02:17:51,440
Speaker 1: friends and income the Taype police right the way the

2136
02:17:51,560 --> 02:17:54,199
Speaker 1: d A say it. They're like he put his hands

2137
02:17:54,200 --> 02:17:55,879
Speaker 1: in the bag and we all pointed our guns at him,

2138
02:17:55,920 --> 02:18:00,160
Speaker 1: or like Victor, no, it's over, and and like they

2139
02:18:00,200 --> 02:18:01,520
Speaker 1: thought he was going to pull a gun on them.

2140
02:18:01,600 --> 02:18:03,440
Speaker 1: But like in the video, he kind of just like

2141
02:18:05,840 --> 02:18:08,760
Speaker 1: then I think he says the game is up. He

2142
02:18:08,879 --> 02:18:13,480
Speaker 1: has some like Bond villain like a line of course.

2143
02:18:13,600 --> 02:18:18,520
Speaker 1: Is he the poet? What did I say? Yeah that's true. Yeah, yeah,

2144
02:18:18,680 --> 02:18:21,640
Speaker 1: that's why they're letting him out for his contribution to

2145
02:18:21,760 --> 02:18:26,320
Speaker 1: our I do what if there's ever like he was

2146
02:18:26,400 --> 02:18:34,560
Speaker 1: a poet Sharide just like hey, yes quote acclaimed podcast.

2147
02:18:35,080 --> 02:18:39,040
Speaker 1: This is red shot to describe a gunshot on his groomstad.

2148
02:18:39,280 --> 02:18:46,560
Speaker 1: He was a poet, nothing else, poet and no other gigs.

2149
02:18:46,600 --> 02:18:52,120
Speaker 1: I was aware what slide duty ast. And so they

2150
02:18:52,240 --> 02:18:55,800
Speaker 1: arrest him, right, they hold him in fights the extradition,

2151
02:18:55,879 --> 02:18:57,760
Speaker 1: He's like, I'm just a businessman. I don't know what

2152
02:18:57,840 --> 02:19:00,320
Speaker 1: you're talking about. I just wanted to say cake and

2153
02:19:00,360 --> 02:19:04,920
Speaker 1: ice cream or whatever. And eventually they bring him back

2154
02:19:04,959 --> 02:19:07,199
Speaker 1: to the United States. They try him in this federal

2155
02:19:07,360 --> 02:19:09,840
Speaker 1: jurisdiction in New York where they try and nearly every

2156
02:19:10,959 --> 02:19:13,959
Speaker 1: rorism case like this, right, Like the recent oh nine

2157
02:19:14,000 --> 02:19:17,960
Speaker 1: A case was in the same jurisdiction, so like that

2158
02:19:18,200 --> 02:19:20,640
Speaker 1: makes sense. Yeah, they always do it in New York.

2159
02:19:21,040 --> 02:19:24,560
Speaker 1: I think that his trial was like September or October.

2160
02:19:27,040 --> 02:19:31,200
Speaker 1: The you know, you're trying someone like seven years after

2161
02:19:31,320 --> 02:19:34,240
Speaker 1: nine eleven, six years after nine eleven in New York,

2162
02:19:34,720 --> 02:19:38,760
Speaker 1: around the anniversary of what happened eleven, right, so people

2163
02:19:38,800 --> 02:19:41,160
Speaker 1: are pretty and then you're like, in this dude sold

2164
02:19:41,240 --> 02:19:44,439
Speaker 1: weapons to the town. He moved gold out of Afghanistan

2165
02:19:44,560 --> 02:19:49,680
Speaker 1: for al Qaeda, and he's pretty screwed. Cancel culture strikes again.

2166
02:19:51,120 --> 02:19:56,280
Speaker 1: The work mob came for Victor and his wife says

2167
02:19:56,400 --> 02:19:59,400
Speaker 1: outside the court, which I thought was interested. They're trying

2168
02:19:59,520 --> 02:20:03,800
Speaker 1: Nicholas Cage, not my husband. Oh, Ship, that's actually a

2169
02:20:03,879 --> 02:20:10,280
Speaker 1: really interesting statement in terms of like media perceptions of people. Yeah, yeah,

2170
02:20:10,400 --> 02:20:15,120
Speaker 1: they do not go after this guy until and then

2171
02:20:15,280 --> 02:20:18,360
Speaker 1: Victor and then what's it called the Nicolas Cage movie

2172
02:20:18,440 --> 02:20:22,520
Speaker 1: Lord of War? Yeah, and then you can't separate. I

2173
02:20:22,560 --> 02:20:25,840
Speaker 1: don't think the like, look, he's a piece of shit,

2174
02:20:26,240 --> 02:20:29,000
Speaker 1: but like he did make a movie about himself, though

2175
02:20:29,720 --> 02:20:33,480
Speaker 1: he didn't. I scot that they already sent seven years

2176
02:20:33,520 --> 02:20:35,800
Speaker 1: after he gone down, Okay, I didn't look at the

2177
02:20:36,000 --> 02:20:41,560
Speaker 1: date that. Yeah, no, I was like, that's why, completely

2178
02:20:41,640 --> 02:20:49,360
Speaker 1: different until just this second, my mistake, the Sundance film

2179
02:20:50,520 --> 02:20:54,920
Speaker 1: seven years later Victor boot It would have been amazing

2180
02:20:54,959 --> 02:20:59,680
Speaker 1: if yeah, get that up with our listeners, Ship, we

2181
02:20:59,680 --> 02:21:01,920
Speaker 1: could go it up to the nineties. I reckon m

2182
02:21:02,160 --> 02:21:05,840
Speaker 1: H and that because the thumbs up, So I think

2183
02:21:05,840 --> 02:21:09,280
Speaker 1: they probably did write. Like in organizations like the d A,

2184
02:21:09,400 --> 02:21:12,640
Speaker 1: in these big federal law enforcement agencies, there are a

2185
02:21:12,640 --> 02:21:15,080
Speaker 1: lot of people who want top jobs, and I think

2186
02:21:15,200 --> 02:21:17,720
Speaker 1: one of the ways to advance is getting one of

2187
02:21:17,800 --> 02:21:22,480
Speaker 1: the right. I have very little federal law enforcement understanding,

2188
02:21:22,840 --> 02:21:26,000
Speaker 1: but it strikes me that they kind of they had

2189
02:21:26,240 --> 02:21:29,040
Speaker 1: the d A agent in charge of his arrest on

2190
02:21:30,600 --> 02:21:32,840
Speaker 1: ABC I think, or in sixty minutes or something, the

2191
02:21:32,879 --> 02:21:35,520
Speaker 1: guy talks about himself and point on there. It's a

2192
02:21:35,560 --> 02:21:43,760
Speaker 1: bit weird. It's clearly like a career defining a thing, right,

2193
02:21:43,800 --> 02:21:45,680
Speaker 1: And I really don't think it would have been if

2194
02:21:45,840 --> 02:21:48,440
Speaker 1: like no one made a film about Monterel Castle, right,

2195
02:21:48,480 --> 02:21:51,680
Speaker 1: he was selling all the weapons to you know, they

2196
02:21:51,720 --> 02:21:53,640
Speaker 1: didn't trap him in the same way actually, but it's

2197
02:21:53,680 --> 02:21:59,120
Speaker 1: it's not such a big thing. So Boot goes to jail.

2198
02:21:59,720 --> 02:22:03,400
Speaker 1: He's been in jail about twelve years now, and now

2199
02:22:03,600 --> 02:22:08,080
Speaker 1: the Biden administration seems to or at least know that

2200
02:22:08,280 --> 02:22:11,560
Speaker 1: he's like worth offering, and they offered him in trade

2201
02:22:11,600 --> 02:22:17,320
Speaker 1: for Snowden apparently, uh yeah, and Russia didn't take that. Um.

2202
02:22:18,440 --> 02:22:21,320
Speaker 1: I just think it's probably that they seem more value

2203
02:22:21,320 --> 02:22:25,880
Speaker 1: with Snowden. But the yeah, they they seem to have

2204
02:22:25,959 --> 02:22:29,680
Speaker 1: offered him again in the in this grinder wheeling trade.

2205
02:22:30,280 --> 02:22:33,360
Speaker 1: It's still unclear if Russia will accept him or not.

2206
02:22:33,760 --> 02:22:35,840
Speaker 1: Like we said before, it's a very weird practice to

2207
02:22:36,000 --> 02:22:39,720
Speaker 1: be like like Pokemon cards, yeah, or like literally like

2208
02:22:40,000 --> 02:22:43,959
Speaker 1: the NBA, like the thing that yeah, pretty greater works

2209
02:22:44,000 --> 02:22:46,560
Speaker 1: for It's like you're literally creating like a fantasy team

2210
02:22:46,720 --> 02:22:51,440
Speaker 1: or whatever, the ship of of prisoners and or people

2211
02:22:51,520 --> 02:22:56,000
Speaker 1: that you want the hostages. Yeah, it's interesting to see

2212
02:22:56,080 --> 02:22:59,960
Speaker 1: like Russia kind of just like I don't know if

2213
02:23:00,040 --> 02:23:02,520
Speaker 1: they sort of want to be like, look how much

2214
02:23:02,600 --> 02:23:05,279
Speaker 1: we owned you, Like we made you trade the world's

2215
02:23:05,320 --> 02:23:09,680
Speaker 1: most notorious arms dealer for a basketball player, Like if

2216
02:23:09,720 --> 02:23:14,120
Speaker 1: they kind of I don't know the ridiculousness of what

2217
02:23:14,240 --> 02:23:18,760
Speaker 1: they've done to somehow win for them, or if Russia

2218
02:23:18,840 --> 02:23:20,959
Speaker 1: wants him back because he has some kind of intel

2219
02:23:21,000 --> 02:23:24,320
Speaker 1: that they're afraid of. I'm not sure if that's the case.

2220
02:23:24,360 --> 02:23:28,400
Speaker 1: He lived in Moscow for a while, I didn't know

2221
02:23:28,480 --> 02:23:30,480
Speaker 1: how close he was to the Russian state. I'm sure

2222
02:23:31,200 --> 02:23:34,200
Speaker 1: he knows some stuff. It's almost does not much of

2223
02:23:34,280 --> 02:23:36,280
Speaker 1: a state in the world that he doesn't have something on, right,

2224
02:23:36,920 --> 02:23:41,199
Speaker 1: So it's possible, and I guess he's kind of served

2225
02:23:41,240 --> 02:23:44,760
Speaker 1: his purpose, which was just like you know, we can

2226
02:23:44,879 --> 02:23:47,600
Speaker 1: find you anywhere, we can come after you anywhere, Um,

2227
02:23:48,240 --> 02:23:51,320
Speaker 1: we can arrestue And I don't want to be like

2228
02:23:51,920 --> 02:23:55,880
Speaker 1: like pro armed dealer on the podcast, but like on

2229
02:23:56,040 --> 02:24:03,039
Speaker 1: the podcast, James flee different. But Mike James is gonna

2230
02:24:03,160 --> 02:24:08,360
Speaker 1: say that we're not technically pro arms stealing. Yeah, this

2231
02:24:08,520 --> 02:24:11,920
Speaker 1: is not not a prom stealing podcast technically. Yeah. That

2232
02:24:11,959 --> 02:24:13,640
Speaker 1: would be a good place for an ad pivot, wouldn't it.

2233
02:24:14,640 --> 02:24:17,440
Speaker 1: But do you know who is pro stealing? Yeah? Yeah,

2234
02:24:18,480 --> 02:24:20,520
Speaker 1: based on I don't know how long we have left though,

2235
02:24:20,600 --> 02:24:22,959
Speaker 1: and may not makes sense here, but we can leave

2236
02:24:23,000 --> 02:24:26,440
Speaker 1: the joke in to prove that we're funny, Yeah, that

2237
02:24:26,560 --> 02:24:30,960
Speaker 1: we sometimes think about it. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, we're considerate

2238
02:24:31,000 --> 02:24:34,800
Speaker 1: and funny yea, yeah, and kind and I'm not pro

2239
02:24:35,000 --> 02:24:39,200
Speaker 1: arm stealer and most apportently yeah. Yeah. So Victor is

2240
02:24:40,320 --> 02:24:43,720
Speaker 1: in prison. He's been imprisoned for about twelve years. He's

2241
02:24:43,760 --> 02:24:47,200
Speaker 1: got he got twenty five years. The judge, you've not

2242
02:24:47,320 --> 02:24:49,840
Speaker 1: proved he was going to do any crimes other than

2243
02:24:49,879 --> 02:24:53,640
Speaker 1: the ones you kind of talked him into, like a

2244
02:24:53,800 --> 02:25:00,400
Speaker 1: fair Yeah. Yeah, it woke judge because again, when they're

2245
02:25:00,400 --> 02:25:03,040
Speaker 1: meeting him, they're like, we want to kill America. The

2246
02:25:03,080 --> 02:25:05,480
Speaker 1: scopes are hig enough magnification so we can see their American.

2247
02:25:05,680 --> 02:25:08,600
Speaker 1: There's some specific dialogue about the sniper scopes too, like

2248
02:25:09,480 --> 02:25:12,080
Speaker 1: to ensure and they they're trying to get surface to

2249
02:25:12,120 --> 02:25:14,240
Speaker 1: our missiles as well, right, and surface to our missiles

2250
02:25:14,400 --> 02:25:16,680
Speaker 1: one of the harder things to acquire in the international

2251
02:25:16,800 --> 02:25:20,879
Speaker 1: arms market. And so he's gonna supply those. And they

2252
02:25:20,879 --> 02:25:24,959
Speaker 1: claim they're going to shootwn American airliners and do a terrorism. Yeah,

2253
02:25:25,000 --> 02:25:28,480
Speaker 1: that'll definitely get them mad. Yeah they're gonna Well, but

2254
02:25:28,879 --> 02:25:32,640
Speaker 1: he only says that because the two d a plants.

2255
02:25:34,000 --> 02:25:35,960
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah. I don't think the dude would have

2256
02:25:35,959 --> 02:25:41,480
Speaker 1: bat nihlid either way. I mean typical fed behavior, right, like, yeah,

2257
02:25:41,520 --> 02:25:45,480
Speaker 1: they walked in there in the cool flannel shirts and

2258
02:25:45,560 --> 02:25:52,320
Speaker 1: he did, Hey, who is a crime? Let me escalate

2259
02:25:52,360 --> 02:25:56,680
Speaker 1: the level of crime. So he's in prison, they've offered

2260
02:25:56,720 --> 02:26:00,200
Speaker 1: to trade him. It remains to be seeing, Like, don't

2261
02:26:00,200 --> 02:26:01,640
Speaker 1: know how relevant he will be if he comes out.

2262
02:26:01,680 --> 02:26:07,160
Speaker 1: It's interesting, Like the area I'm most familiar with the

2263
02:26:07,320 --> 02:26:12,560
Speaker 1: books firearms transactions is in Myanmar, right, Robert, Now, I've

2264
02:26:12,560 --> 02:26:15,600
Speaker 1: spent some time writing about that, and the price of

2265
02:26:15,720 --> 02:26:19,360
Speaker 1: weapons going small arms going to rebels in Mihama is

2266
02:26:19,400 --> 02:26:25,640
Speaker 1: insane right now, like it, And so maybe taking him

2267
02:26:25,680 --> 02:26:27,480
Speaker 1: out has changed that market a bit. I don't know,

2268
02:26:27,600 --> 02:26:29,280
Speaker 1: you'd think someone would have stepped in to fill that

2269
02:26:29,360 --> 02:26:32,400
Speaker 1: gap in the time that he'd been out of the game.

2270
02:26:33,640 --> 02:26:37,320
Speaker 1: You'd think, especially after the giant clusterfucker of leaving Afghanistan

2271
02:26:37,680 --> 02:26:40,199
Speaker 1: by the but we'd have done a lot more weapons

2272
02:26:40,240 --> 02:26:44,320
Speaker 1: onto the market. So what you're saying is there's yeah,

2273
02:26:45,680 --> 02:26:50,920
Speaker 1: get your resume ready, listeners. Yeah, you know, learn those languages.

2274
02:26:51,040 --> 02:26:55,800
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying to the other applicants. Yeah, yeah,

2275
02:26:56,320 --> 02:26:58,440
Speaker 1: learned soundscript. But on your resume, no one will call

2276
02:26:58,480 --> 02:27:00,560
Speaker 1: you on it. It will be fine. It's okay to

2277
02:27:00,640 --> 02:27:03,879
Speaker 1: lie about Sanskrit unless you're I guess going to theological college.

2278
02:27:04,160 --> 02:27:06,879
Speaker 1: And but yeah, he's learned Sanskrit, he's learned a bunch

2279
02:27:06,920 --> 02:27:11,960
Speaker 1: of other languages. In prison. He's probably writing poems in there, right, Yeah,

2280
02:27:12,800 --> 02:27:14,720
Speaker 1: he's probably dropping a book, is what he'll do, or

2281
02:27:14,760 --> 02:27:17,360
Speaker 1: come out. I'll drop a book, Honestly, I'm not I

2282
02:27:17,400 --> 02:27:19,520
Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised by that. If that was true. I

2283
02:27:20,080 --> 02:27:22,199
Speaker 1: would read a book written by one of the world's

2284
02:27:22,240 --> 02:27:27,920
Speaker 1: most famous international arms dealers. Add poets And that's right,

2285
02:27:28,000 --> 02:27:31,400
Speaker 1: add poets. Hey, based on what the quotes are that

2286
02:27:31,520 --> 02:27:34,959
Speaker 1: he's given so far, I'm sure he has really good writing.

2287
02:27:35,200 --> 02:27:40,760
Speaker 1: So who knows. We don't know. How much money he has.

2288
02:27:41,120 --> 02:27:44,040
Speaker 1: No one seems it's done a good job of hiding it.

2289
02:27:44,640 --> 02:27:48,040
Speaker 1: We don't know what the state of his businesses. It

2290
02:27:48,120 --> 02:27:52,440
Speaker 1: seems like he has just kind of pieced out, hang

2291
02:27:52,520 --> 02:27:55,680
Speaker 1: out in jail and maybe now we'll be going back

2292
02:27:55,680 --> 02:27:57,960
Speaker 1: to Russia to live in his ducher and just right

2293
02:27:58,879 --> 02:28:03,760
Speaker 1: sides all day we can dream. It feels like, yeah,

2294
02:28:03,800 --> 02:28:06,600
Speaker 1: if they offered him for Snowden already and now they're

2295
02:28:06,600 --> 02:28:12,880
Speaker 1: offering him again, either the only like quote unquote good

2296
02:28:13,600 --> 02:28:19,280
Speaker 1: Russian hostage, like worth worthy Russian hostage, or they in

2297
02:28:19,400 --> 02:28:20,840
Speaker 1: my head, I feel like they're trying to make a

2298
02:28:20,879 --> 02:28:23,880
Speaker 1: big statement like Brittney Grinder is so important to us

2299
02:28:25,320 --> 02:28:28,200
Speaker 1: this man. Does that make sense? Yeah it does? Yeah,

2300
02:28:28,560 --> 02:28:31,720
Speaker 1: I hope. I mean, look what's happening to her is disgusting, right,

2301
02:28:31,760 --> 02:28:37,280
Speaker 1: and every day he spent abhorrent and so like, yeah,

2302
02:28:37,360 --> 02:28:40,160
Speaker 1: you hope that that they I think, Yeah, I think

2303
02:28:40,200 --> 02:28:44,480
Speaker 1: he's there's no real I don't know. It doesn't really

2304
02:28:44,520 --> 02:28:46,680
Speaker 1: serve the interests of the state to keep him in prison, right,

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Speaker 1: Like the big win was getting him there, and that

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Speaker 1: I think showed people doing what he does that like

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Speaker 1: the US will come after you and and so like that.

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Speaker 1: It really I think twelve years is a long enough time,

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Speaker 1: you know, leg So I don't know, I don't understand

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Speaker 1: the motivations of world leaders. But hopefully we get some

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02:29:10,400 --> 02:29:12,280
Speaker 1: up this I don't know. Hopefully Britty grinded doesn't have

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02:29:12,400 --> 02:29:15,080
Speaker 1: to don't get in what I'm sure it's a pretty

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02:29:15,120 --> 02:29:18,200
Speaker 1: terrible Russian prison for having a vape pen, because that

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Speaker 1: is bollocks. And I just want to say before we

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Speaker 1: finish up here that we are indebted to our friend Matt,

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02:29:26,160 --> 02:29:30,560
Speaker 1: who is at I think enjoy It on Twitter or

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02:29:30,640 --> 02:29:35,920
Speaker 1: Raccoon Liberation Front Black Flag Enjoyers Matt's Handel. Matt actually

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02:29:36,240 --> 02:29:38,280
Speaker 1: came on to help us do an interview with this.

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02:29:39,000 --> 02:29:40,880
Speaker 1: Matt has worked in a lot of these places, not

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02:29:41,000 --> 02:29:43,480
Speaker 1: as an arms dealer, I should add, but doing some

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Speaker 1: like civilis and even thinks that he ran into Victor

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02:29:48,720 --> 02:29:51,240
Speaker 1: boot in a bar in Somali land once. And because

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02:29:51,280 --> 02:29:53,240
Speaker 1: if we discussed you would not know that the student

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02:29:53,320 --> 02:29:59,680
Speaker 1: was an arms dealer. Unfortunately Matt's audio was unrecoverable, and

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02:30:00,240 --> 02:30:04,320
Speaker 1: and as debt for his help, and you should follow

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02:30:04,440 --> 02:30:08,800
Speaker 1: him on Twitter if you want to anything else, WEECHI

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02:30:08,879 --> 02:30:13,600
Speaker 1: plug Sharene Garrison now I think I think that does

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02:30:13,640 --> 02:30:17,720
Speaker 1: it for us today. So just google Victor boot up. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: here weekend? Oh hi, this is this is it could

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02:30:36,000 --> 02:30:38,040
Speaker 1: happen here. It's this. This isn't my episode, this is

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Speaker 1: actually christ Um. But I guess I guess we're starting. Uh, Chris,

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02:30:43,640 --> 02:30:46,280
Speaker 1: how are you doing today? You know I'm running on

2333
02:30:46,440 --> 02:30:48,520
Speaker 1: very little sleep and a lot of bubble tea. And

2334
02:30:48,560 --> 02:30:50,680
Speaker 1: by bububble tea, I mean canned bubble tea. This is

2335
02:30:50,760 --> 02:30:56,160
Speaker 1: the good ship really in terms of it being bubble

2336
02:30:56,160 --> 02:30:57,840
Speaker 1: tea is kind of okay, in terms of it being

2337
02:30:58,320 --> 02:31:01,400
Speaker 1: like a thing that has more sugar than like any

2338
02:31:01,520 --> 02:31:04,040
Speaker 1: human should ever consume and functions as an energy drink

2339
02:31:04,080 --> 02:31:07,400
Speaker 1: while tasting good, It's good ship. That's why I lived.

2340
02:31:07,440 --> 02:31:09,680
Speaker 1: That's why I lived that Bang life, Baby. We would

2341
02:31:09,680 --> 02:31:11,720
Speaker 1: not we would not get any of my scripted episodes

2342
02:31:11,760 --> 02:31:19,440
Speaker 1: done without Bang. Yeah. I drink rip it. It really is.

2343
02:31:22,640 --> 02:31:25,680
Speaker 1: So speaking of colonialism, actually I don't have a colonialism

2344
02:31:25,760 --> 02:31:29,080
Speaker 1: tie into this, all right, But what I do have

2345
02:31:29,760 --> 02:31:38,360
Speaker 1: is a bunch of people attacking a children's hospital. Ah So,

2346
02:31:38,720 --> 02:31:42,520
Speaker 1: on August, police and Boston were called to investigate a

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02:31:42,560 --> 02:31:47,480
Speaker 1: bomb threat against as parents waited outside an agect terror

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Speaker 1: for their children's who are still trapped in the building.

2349
02:31:49,920 --> 02:31:53,160
Speaker 1: Police bomb squad swapped the building for hours. This time

2350
02:31:53,560 --> 02:31:56,600
Speaker 1: there was no bomb. Next time we might not be

2351
02:31:56,720 --> 02:32:02,760
Speaker 1: so lucky. Welcome to the next Day, trans People. So okay,

2352
02:32:02,959 --> 02:32:05,360
Speaker 1: how how did we get to right wingers calling in

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02:32:05,440 --> 02:32:08,240
Speaker 1: bomb threats to a children's hospital? A thing that I

2354
02:32:08,320 --> 02:32:09,720
Speaker 1: feel like I need to make a carve out at

2355
02:32:09,720 --> 02:32:12,480
Speaker 1: the beginning of this episode to talk about how absolutely

2356
02:32:12,520 --> 02:32:14,480
Speaker 1: absurd it is that people are sending death threats to

2357
02:32:14,560 --> 02:32:21,039
Speaker 1: eight children's hospital's. Children's hospital, they take, they do health

2358
02:32:21,080 --> 02:32:28,240
Speaker 1: care for children, like So the answer to why this

2359
02:32:28,400 --> 02:32:32,520
Speaker 1: is happening is basically the right's new media strategy drive

2360
02:32:32,560 --> 02:32:35,280
Speaker 1: it all once again is Chaya Raychick, who is better

2361
02:32:35,360 --> 02:32:40,600
Speaker 1: known as Lives of TikTok and the Enemy of the

2362
02:32:40,680 --> 02:32:46,440
Speaker 1: Pod recurring character on the POT. She's she's kind of displaced.

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02:32:46,520 --> 02:32:50,520
Speaker 1: She's kind of displaced, done that much lately, And it's

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02:32:50,600 --> 02:32:55,160
Speaker 1: like the recurring pod like person her and her and Matt,

2365
02:32:56,879 --> 02:33:02,480
Speaker 1: don't worry, He's bigger, easy the walls, walls will appear

2366
02:33:03,920 --> 02:33:07,520
Speaker 1: and the Washington Post editorial page that one always God,

2367
02:33:08,560 --> 02:33:10,960
Speaker 1: you know, I I could I could write I could

2368
02:33:11,040 --> 02:33:14,160
Speaker 1: write like all of my episodes about the Washington Post

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02:33:14,240 --> 02:33:16,320
Speaker 1: editorial page, so I don't do it and instead talk

2370
02:33:16,360 --> 02:33:22,640
Speaker 1: about this fucking Twitter account whereas and you know, okay,

2371
02:33:22,959 --> 02:33:26,200
Speaker 1: last scene sticking rabid mobs of reaction areas on teachers, schools,

2372
02:33:26,280 --> 02:33:28,680
Speaker 1: drag queens and random children on the internet for the

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02:33:28,800 --> 02:33:33,520
Speaker 1: crime of being queer or supporting queer kids in anyway. Yeah,

2374
02:33:36,320 --> 02:33:38,119
Speaker 1: not the last time we're gonna talk about her, unless

2375
02:33:38,280 --> 02:33:42,000
Speaker 1: like miraculously he's destroyed in the next like three days.

2376
02:33:42,280 --> 02:33:45,280
Speaker 1: But well, we're gonna do here sort of take a

2377
02:33:45,320 --> 02:33:47,320
Speaker 1: deep dive into how and media strategy works and how

2378
02:33:47,440 --> 02:33:49,480
Speaker 1: sort of like the broadert right wing media sphere uses

2379
02:33:49,480 --> 02:33:55,280
Speaker 1: in Launder's rachex talking point pudo pseudo intellectual babble stuff

2380
02:33:55,320 --> 02:33:59,440
Speaker 1: to sell to wider audience, and the strategy like functionally

2381
02:33:59,640 --> 02:34:01,480
Speaker 1: is not It's like it's literally the same thing Alex

2382
02:34:01,560 --> 02:34:05,200
Speaker 1: Jones does. It's like, okay, so you you missread a headline, right,

2383
02:34:05,320 --> 02:34:06,880
Speaker 1: or someone puts a video in front of you that

2384
02:34:06,959 --> 02:34:09,680
Speaker 1: you haven't won, do you lie about what it says?

2385
02:34:10,920 --> 02:34:14,040
Speaker 1: And then you and you like invents basically some incredibly

2386
02:34:14,120 --> 02:34:16,760
Speaker 1: dramatic story about what it says and then you get

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02:34:16,760 --> 02:34:18,520
Speaker 1: a bunch of other people the writing media sphere to

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02:34:18,720 --> 02:34:21,400
Speaker 1: back you up for it. And then when inevitably someone's like, hey,

2389
02:34:21,440 --> 02:34:26,800
Speaker 1: you're wrong. You claim your being censored. Yeah, but I don't.

2390
02:34:26,959 --> 02:34:31,360
Speaker 1: I don't mischaracterize anything. I just post people's own videos

2391
02:34:31,480 --> 02:34:34,360
Speaker 1: that that they that they themselves posts and then also

2392
02:34:34,760 --> 02:34:37,000
Speaker 1: then also just call them a pedophile for a saying

2393
02:34:37,120 --> 02:34:42,400
Speaker 1: that they were pronoun pants. Um yeah, anyway, yeah, um

2394
02:34:42,560 --> 02:34:45,240
Speaker 1: so so on. On August eleventh, lives a TikTok posted

2395
02:34:45,280 --> 02:34:48,959
Speaker 1: a tweet that said, quote Boston Children's Hospital at Boston

2396
02:34:49,120 --> 02:34:53,000
Speaker 1: Children's is now offering quote gender refirming his directomies for

2397
02:34:53,120 --> 02:34:55,959
Speaker 1: young girls. And so there there's there's a video attached. Right,

2398
02:34:58,160 --> 02:35:00,360
Speaker 1: does not say anything about this. Right, the video is

2399
02:35:00,440 --> 02:35:03,080
Speaker 1: literally just an explanation of what it has directed me is.

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02:35:05,440 --> 02:35:08,440
Speaker 1: And you know, but but this this like goes viral

2401
02:35:08,520 --> 02:35:11,160
Speaker 1: like literally three hours later. Matt Walsh, a man who

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02:35:11,240 --> 02:35:14,760
Speaker 1: once said on video and I think my kids consent

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02:35:14,879 --> 02:35:19,840
Speaker 1: all the time, I tweeted quote he said that that's

2404
02:35:19,879 --> 02:35:23,000
Speaker 1: on video that I am not selectively editing this. He

2405
02:35:23,280 --> 02:35:29,960
Speaker 1: just said that, so yeah, he he tweeted up. Nice

2406
02:35:30,000 --> 02:35:32,800
Speaker 1: effort to fight back against the drugging and mutilation of children.

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02:35:32,840 --> 02:35:35,600
Speaker 1: There should be rallies outside of the hospitals that butcher children.

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02:35:35,640 --> 02:35:38,000
Speaker 1: There should be marches on Washington with hundreds of thousands

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02:35:38,040 --> 02:35:42,160
Speaker 1: of people. I will try to get this ball rolling. Yeah,

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02:35:42,280 --> 02:35:46,480
Speaker 1: he's he's been increasingly trying to do like this moral

2411
02:35:46,959 --> 02:35:50,160
Speaker 1: like superiority war and be like, of course we should

2412
02:35:50,160 --> 02:35:54,440
Speaker 1: hate I'm not a morally compromised degenerate and that that's

2413
02:35:54,480 --> 02:35:56,280
Speaker 1: kind of that style of talking points that he's trying

2414
02:35:56,320 --> 02:35:59,880
Speaker 1: to mainstream. He's a popular guest on Fox News. He

2415
02:36:00,120 --> 02:36:04,680
Speaker 1: made the he made the infamous anti trans documentary What

2416
02:36:04,840 --> 02:36:07,959
Speaker 1: Is a Woman? Earlier this year. Talk about at some point,

2417
02:36:08,680 --> 02:36:12,000
Speaker 1: but he's he's, he's he's trying to present himself as

2418
02:36:12,240 --> 02:36:15,640
Speaker 1: like an authority figure in the war against trans people.

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02:36:16,080 --> 02:36:18,440
Speaker 1: He's his work has been boosted by J. K. Rolling.

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02:36:18,800 --> 02:36:22,160
Speaker 1: He describes himself as a theocratic fascist kind of jokingly

2421
02:36:23,120 --> 02:36:25,920
Speaker 1: just completely accurate. There's no sub such a difference between

2422
02:36:25,959 --> 02:36:29,199
Speaker 1: what he believes in, like what the fucking people believe

2423
02:36:29,360 --> 02:36:32,480
Speaker 1: so like no or the like. He's wanting to organize

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02:36:32,560 --> 02:36:35,560
Speaker 1: rallies outside of like trans health clinics to like destroy

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02:36:35,680 --> 02:36:41,680
Speaker 1: trans research. What does huh? Yeah, never happened in human

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02:36:41,800 --> 02:36:48,760
Speaker 1: history anyway, continue, I also want to mention this. Okay,

2427
02:36:48,800 --> 02:36:50,720
Speaker 1: so as bad as was a woman is, he made

2428
02:36:50,760 --> 02:36:53,200
Speaker 1: it even He's actually created something even worse than this,

2429
02:36:53,320 --> 02:36:58,280
Speaker 1: which is like maybe history's most dogshit children's book, Johnnie

2430
02:36:58,320 --> 02:37:04,000
Speaker 1: the Walrus, like just unbelievably transphobic piece of ship thing

2431
02:37:04,080 --> 02:37:06,039
Speaker 1: that he made. Like I don't think a single child

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02:37:06,080 --> 02:37:10,560
Speaker 1: has ever read willingly. The Daily Wires kind of pushed

2433
02:37:12,080 --> 02:37:16,199
Speaker 1: like a children's media creation has been kind of wacky,

2434
02:37:16,560 --> 02:37:20,400
Speaker 1: it's awful, like it's it's I don't know these people,

2435
02:37:20,800 --> 02:37:25,800
Speaker 1: like they just they're all hacks. But the problem is

2436
02:37:25,800 --> 02:37:27,720
Speaker 1: if you want to make a children's book thing, like

2437
02:37:27,959 --> 02:37:30,400
Speaker 1: you actually have to make something, but you have to

2438
02:37:30,440 --> 02:37:33,240
Speaker 1: make something that like a child will really just like

2439
02:37:33,760 --> 02:37:36,160
Speaker 1: you don't you don't need to. You have to sell

2440
02:37:36,240 --> 02:37:41,000
Speaker 1: it to parents. Yeah that's not actual kid, it's about parents.

2441
02:37:41,240 --> 02:37:44,320
Speaker 1: Like the actual children will be extremely unhappy about this,

2442
02:37:44,600 --> 02:37:46,360
Speaker 1: but like, you know, okay, yeah you can, you can.

2443
02:37:46,400 --> 02:37:49,640
Speaker 1: You can. You can sell the pictures of a walrus

2444
02:37:49,800 --> 02:37:54,120
Speaker 1: to like forty year old mothers who are scared that

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02:37:54,760 --> 02:37:58,840
Speaker 1: their kid is wearing dresses or you know whatever. So

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02:37:59,400 --> 02:38:07,120
Speaker 1: all right, so Matt Walsh, the Kid's consents Man, is

2447
02:38:07,240 --> 02:38:10,160
Speaker 1: on go. By August fifteen, Matt Walsh is on a

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02:38:10,280 --> 02:38:12,680
Speaker 1: show which is called The Matt Walsh Show, which is

2449
02:38:12,760 --> 02:38:15,800
Speaker 1: the thing people great type. All of these people the

2450
02:38:15,920 --> 02:38:18,040
Speaker 1: name of their show is just their name, and it's like,

2451
02:38:19,160 --> 02:38:21,160
Speaker 1: that's why this, that's why this show is called the

2452
02:38:21,360 --> 02:38:26,440
Speaker 1: Robert Evans Show why in which Robert Evans occasionally appears on.

2453
02:38:26,560 --> 02:38:32,440
Speaker 1: It's true. So Tim Pool, he made the Tim cast.

2454
02:38:32,520 --> 02:38:37,440
Speaker 1: He showed some real initiative there. Look, this, this is

2455
02:38:37,560 --> 02:38:39,720
Speaker 1: this is the kind of innovation that only the only,

2456
02:38:39,800 --> 02:38:42,880
Speaker 1: the right and only entrepreneurship can bring us. They changed

2457
02:38:43,879 --> 02:38:46,720
Speaker 1: by three words. I mean, I still remember like a

2458
02:38:46,840 --> 02:38:50,120
Speaker 1: decade ago when Matt Walsh was like a niche but

2459
02:38:50,400 --> 02:38:56,640
Speaker 1: growing figure and like the evangelical influencer community, it's like

2460
02:38:56,680 --> 02:38:59,920
Speaker 1: a younger evangelical kid kind of interest in what Matt

2461
02:39:00,000 --> 02:39:02,200
Speaker 1: Walsh was doing because he was like kind of like

2462
02:39:02,320 --> 02:39:05,360
Speaker 1: a hipstern trying like doing like more like modern spins

2463
02:39:05,440 --> 02:39:09,200
Speaker 1: on some on some more kind of classic evangel evangelical topics.

2464
02:39:09,640 --> 02:39:15,160
Speaker 1: And then as I was getting evangelical Christianity, Walsh was

2465
02:39:15,280 --> 02:39:18,320
Speaker 1: like was getting way more radical in kind of in

2466
02:39:18,440 --> 02:39:20,800
Speaker 1: line with like you know, the lead up to trump

2467
02:39:21,520 --> 02:39:25,040
Speaker 1: Um and then he just went fully off the deep end.

2468
02:39:25,160 --> 02:39:28,800
Speaker 1: And even even as like in my meeting stages of

2469
02:39:28,840 --> 02:39:31,480
Speaker 1: being Christian were like, oh, this Walsh guy is like

2470
02:39:32,360 --> 02:39:35,400
Speaker 1: kind of nuts. He's like he is like going in

2471
02:39:35,520 --> 02:39:37,680
Speaker 1: some weird directions. He used to be kind of more

2472
02:39:37,720 --> 02:39:41,600
Speaker 1: like a moderate evangelical, still very conservative, but like he

2473
02:39:41,680 --> 02:39:42,960
Speaker 1: used to kind of be the cool kid on the

2474
02:39:43,000 --> 02:39:46,720
Speaker 1: block and through spear and then we're like, oh no,

2475
02:39:47,000 --> 02:39:51,240
Speaker 1: he's like he's doing some weird ship. Yeah, and and

2476
02:39:51,400 --> 02:39:53,800
Speaker 1: that weird ship. So like okay, So he goes on

2477
02:39:53,879 --> 02:39:57,039
Speaker 1: his show and he starts screaming about how Cuban purity

2478
02:39:57,080 --> 02:40:01,600
Speaker 1: blockers are chemical trend castration, yes, which is like this

2479
02:40:01,720 --> 02:40:05,280
Speaker 1: is objectively not true. Like people like Matt rich I

2480
02:40:05,320 --> 02:40:07,520
Speaker 1: will argue that, like it's the same drug and like, yeah,

2481
02:40:07,560 --> 02:40:09,240
Speaker 1: you can use fertilizer to make a car bomb. That

2482
02:40:09,280 --> 02:40:12,600
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that gardening his terrorism. Yes, as as you

2483
02:40:13,080 --> 02:40:17,040
Speaker 1: if as long as you were taking it make you

2484
02:40:17,160 --> 02:40:19,640
Speaker 1: not able to reproduce as you're taking it, then when

2485
02:40:19,680 --> 02:40:24,039
Speaker 1: you stop taking it you can can reproduce again. Also,

2486
02:40:24,400 --> 02:40:27,240
Speaker 1: it's kind of concerning how much they're they're worried about

2487
02:40:27,320 --> 02:40:30,920
Speaker 1: twelve year olds not being able to reproduce. Uh, correct,

2488
02:40:31,360 --> 02:40:35,440
Speaker 1: Matt Walsh. Matt Walsh, I violate. Let me go back

2489
02:40:35,480 --> 02:40:38,280
Speaker 1: and read this exact quote. Don't. I don't want this

2490
02:40:38,400 --> 02:40:40,760
Speaker 1: to be taken. I don't. I don't want him to

2491
02:40:40,840 --> 02:40:44,080
Speaker 1: argue that I'm quoting him. I violate my kids consent

2492
02:40:44,200 --> 02:40:48,960
Speaker 1: all the time, Matt. No, he claims that forcing his

2493
02:40:49,120 --> 02:40:52,000
Speaker 1: kids to clean their room. But will that is some

2494
02:40:52,160 --> 02:40:57,200
Speaker 1: interesting word choices, you know, Okay, And obviously for like

2495
02:40:57,280 --> 02:40:59,280
Speaker 1: the pauty puberty blocker thing. We've talked with this in

2496
02:40:59,280 --> 02:41:01,360
Speaker 1: the show before. They're trying to frame this as like

2497
02:41:01,760 --> 02:41:05,800
Speaker 1: if you take if your kid gets on puberty permanently sterile,

2498
02:41:05,879 --> 02:41:07,920
Speaker 1: which just isn't true. That that's just false, like that

2499
02:41:08,240 --> 02:41:09,680
Speaker 1: that that is, that is not that's not how these

2500
02:41:09,760 --> 02:41:13,480
Speaker 1: drugs work. Um They're also claimed that these drugs are

2501
02:41:14,000 --> 02:41:17,360
Speaker 1: are like fatal. They're like, look with people who took

2502
02:41:17,400 --> 02:41:19,600
Speaker 1: this drug, this mat this massive percentage of them and

2503
02:41:20,760 --> 02:41:22,879
Speaker 1: um as they were on it. And this is because

2504
02:41:23,320 --> 02:41:26,840
Speaker 1: the drugs also used to treat terminal illnesses, so the

2505
02:41:27,120 --> 02:41:29,640
Speaker 1: it's like like a specifically heart condition or like I

2506
02:41:29,720 --> 02:41:31,040
Speaker 1: think I think it's I think it's some some the

2507
02:41:31,080 --> 02:41:34,680
Speaker 1: heart condition thing. Um, so people like old people who

2508
02:41:34,720 --> 02:41:38,320
Speaker 1: are on the drug will because of their because of

2509
02:41:38,720 --> 02:41:41,360
Speaker 1: their like condition that drug is treating them for. So

2510
02:41:41,720 --> 02:41:43,800
Speaker 1: they try to use that false statistic to then make

2511
02:41:44,080 --> 02:41:46,920
Speaker 1: lead like kids are dying on this puberty blocker, which

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Speaker 1: is again is not true. It's it's all blatantly false things.

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02:41:50,320 --> 02:41:52,120
Speaker 1: We're gonna get into more of the bullshit they get

2514
02:41:52,160 --> 02:41:54,840
Speaker 1: into a second. Yeah, it's a it's a it's a

2515
02:41:54,920 --> 02:41:58,240
Speaker 1: time he's doing it that they've they really really started

2516
02:41:58,320 --> 02:42:01,000
Speaker 1: leaning into this. One is screwing about like hospitals mutilating

2517
02:42:01,080 --> 02:42:03,360
Speaker 1: children because you know, this is it's an incredibly sort

2518
02:42:03,360 --> 02:42:05,640
Speaker 1: of lurid image and it's like, okay, so she's just

2519
02:42:05,760 --> 02:42:08,640
Speaker 1: like literally what he's describing it is just a hysterectomy, right,

2520
02:42:08,720 --> 02:42:11,320
Speaker 1: which is like a thing that it's just a regular

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02:42:12,120 --> 02:42:14,080
Speaker 1: that also, and I kind of emphasize this enough, no

2522
02:42:14,240 --> 02:42:17,600
Speaker 1: one under eighteen is getting a hysterectomy, not really, I

2523
02:42:17,640 --> 02:42:20,240
Speaker 1: mean there is. Again, I think a few a few

2524
02:42:20,360 --> 02:42:25,080
Speaker 1: places have specific conditions for people who are over the

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02:42:25,240 --> 02:42:28,680
Speaker 1: age of medical state that they're in, like, for instance,

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02:42:28,720 --> 02:42:32,560
Speaker 1: Oregan's medically consent for most things. Is a sixteen years old. Um,

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02:42:32,879 --> 02:42:36,360
Speaker 1: there's certain conditions for like seventeen year olds usually to

2528
02:42:36,640 --> 02:42:39,560
Speaker 1: start the process if they want that down the line

2529
02:42:39,600 --> 02:42:42,280
Speaker 1: can get consulted. Like the Yeah, the thing of Boston

2530
02:42:42,320 --> 02:42:44,600
Speaker 1: Joe's Hospital they're they're all screaming about, is there's a

2531
02:42:44,680 --> 02:42:47,000
Speaker 1: thing that says seventeen on a document talking about this,

2532
02:42:47,080 --> 02:42:48,760
Speaker 1: and what they mean is that you can start consultations

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02:42:49,120 --> 02:42:52,080
Speaker 1: when you're seventeen. But in Boston, like this hospital has

2534
02:42:52,200 --> 02:42:58,040
Speaker 1: never they've never done this that happens to surgery on

2535
02:42:58,160 --> 02:43:02,760
Speaker 1: like fifteen year olds that that just like just that happens. Um,

2536
02:43:03,120 --> 02:43:07,520
Speaker 1: there's possibly been like uh like like literally a couple

2537
02:43:07,680 --> 02:43:11,959
Speaker 1: like literally like through like one to three extremely rare

2538
02:43:12,040 --> 02:43:19,560
Speaker 1: incidents that patients, doctors, therapists, medical professionals have have done

2539
02:43:19,640 --> 02:43:24,560
Speaker 1: things to to help treat very severe gender dysphoria. But

2540
02:43:24,680 --> 02:43:27,840
Speaker 1: that is only extremely few instances because all of these

2541
02:43:27,879 --> 02:43:30,960
Speaker 1: surgeries and all these treatments are so medically gate like

2542
02:43:31,160 --> 02:43:34,680
Speaker 1: gate caps. Like I've been trying to get top surgery

2543
02:43:35,200 --> 02:43:38,440
Speaker 1: at their an adult and they've been doing this process

2544
02:43:38,640 --> 02:43:42,400
Speaker 1: and its like it takes years like it is so

2545
02:43:43,080 --> 02:43:46,440
Speaker 1: it's so challenging. Yeah, like there there is an entire

2546
02:43:47,360 --> 02:43:50,720
Speaker 1: system of gender bureaucrats whose like entire job is you

2547
02:43:50,840 --> 02:43:53,920
Speaker 1: have to like like you have to convince these people

2548
02:43:54,120 --> 02:43:58,039
Speaker 1: that your gender is real and it yeah, the gender

2549
02:43:58,080 --> 02:44:00,440
Speaker 1: allowed to do things, year allowed to sign off on

2550
02:44:00,560 --> 02:44:05,480
Speaker 1: things happening to your body. Yeah, like okay, you know, okay.

2551
02:44:06,120 --> 02:44:08,440
Speaker 1: The product of all of this bullshit is, like, you know,

2552
02:44:08,520 --> 02:44:11,160
Speaker 1: all the surgery back they're coming for your kids ship succession,

2553
02:44:11,280 --> 02:44:13,640
Speaker 1: just like absolute obsession with making sure that people with

2554
02:44:13,720 --> 02:44:15,800
Speaker 1: eaters is can like you can force them to have

2555
02:44:15,920 --> 02:44:18,000
Speaker 1: kids later down the line. The product of this is

2556
02:44:18,080 --> 02:44:21,279
Speaker 1: Matt starts yelling about how this needs to be stopped,

2557
02:44:21,320 --> 02:44:23,240
Speaker 1: and then, like COYLEI suggests maybe we should start with

2558
02:44:23,280 --> 02:44:26,800
Speaker 1: Boston Children's Hospital. Um, like that same day, Boston children

2559
02:44:26,879 --> 02:44:30,120
Speaker 1: Hospital is delis with death threats. Now the media matters

2560
02:44:30,320 --> 02:44:33,280
Speaker 1: goes after him, and Matt Walsh makes a bunch of

2561
02:44:33,280 --> 02:44:36,800
Speaker 1: tweets about how he's been context and that death threats

2562
02:44:36,840 --> 02:44:39,200
Speaker 1: aren't his fault. But like, you know, okay, the context

2563
02:44:39,320 --> 02:44:41,240
Speaker 1: is him yelling, well, somebody rid us at this battles

2564
02:44:41,280 --> 02:44:43,480
Speaker 1: some children's hospital over and over again. So I think

2565
02:44:43,560 --> 02:44:47,840
Speaker 1: Matt Walsh doth protest too much. And you know, even

2566
02:44:47,920 --> 02:44:49,680
Speaker 1: as this sort of like the threats mount right, like

2567
02:44:49,800 --> 02:44:54,560
Speaker 1: this fake story all over the conservative like ecosystem, like wildfire,

2568
02:44:54,640 --> 02:44:56,920
Speaker 1: like bright Burt has an article up about it, like

2569
02:44:57,080 --> 02:45:00,280
Speaker 1: on day one, like within a few hours is of

2570
02:45:00,440 --> 02:45:05,120
Speaker 1: like right check making this like fake tweet. Um. Within

2571
02:45:05,320 --> 02:45:08,680
Speaker 1: within a week, it's on Gateway, Daily Callers, on the Blaze,

2572
02:45:08,720 --> 02:45:10,760
Speaker 1: on Daily Wires, on Fox News. It's it's you know,

2573
02:45:10,840 --> 02:45:14,640
Speaker 1: it's hit the entire ecosystem. Um. The problem, Okay, let

2574
02:45:14,680 --> 02:45:16,760
Speaker 1: try a right check. Like very quickly realized this is

2575
02:45:16,800 --> 02:45:19,160
Speaker 1: going viral. She just keep tweeting about it, keeps treading

2576
02:45:19,160 --> 02:45:21,280
Speaker 1: about it, keeps treating about it. But she has this problem,

2577
02:45:21,320 --> 02:45:25,720
Speaker 1: which is that everything she's saying is incredibly easily demonstrable lie.

2578
02:45:26,400 --> 02:45:29,000
Speaker 1: And so she keeps having to like trying to yell

2579
02:45:29,040 --> 02:45:31,320
Speaker 1: at like fact checkers and like regular people who are

2580
02:45:31,360 --> 02:45:34,480
Speaker 1: going like this is just bullshit. And like like the

2581
02:45:34,560 --> 02:45:37,680
Speaker 1: hospital itself has to issue a statement being like, hey,

2582
02:45:37,800 --> 02:45:40,880
Speaker 1: we don't actually have to change their website to make

2583
02:45:40,920 --> 02:45:43,400
Speaker 1: it clear that seventeen year olds don't actually get the

2584
02:45:43,400 --> 02:45:46,800
Speaker 1: surgeries you can just get. The company has like they've

2585
02:45:46,879 --> 02:45:50,440
Speaker 1: never like, well, you know, and this is this is

2586
02:45:50,480 --> 02:45:52,360
Speaker 1: kind of a problem. For the propaganda wing, because like,

2587
02:45:52,440 --> 02:45:55,320
Speaker 1: try a right check is like a fucking hack. I

2588
02:45:55,560 --> 02:45:58,280
Speaker 1: gonna convince anyone who like isn't already convinced that like,

2589
02:45:58,560 --> 02:46:02,880
Speaker 1: transpeople are evil. Like you know, at this point, I

2590
02:46:03,000 --> 02:46:07,080
Speaker 1: think in earlier in two, I think she may have

2591
02:46:07,440 --> 02:46:10,440
Speaker 1: been able to crap propaganda which convinces people. At this point,

2592
02:46:10,560 --> 02:46:15,360
Speaker 1: it's gone so much further. Her radius is gonna is

2593
02:46:15,360 --> 02:46:21,360
Speaker 1: gonna is gonna severely grow in terms of people who

2594
02:46:21,400 --> 02:46:23,480
Speaker 1: are like you know, if someone's fine with trans people,

2595
02:46:23,560 --> 02:46:24,920
Speaker 1: I don't think they're gonna look at her page and

2596
02:46:24,959 --> 02:46:29,320
Speaker 1: suddenly be like, oh, these trans people seem like they're bad. Actually, no,

2597
02:46:29,520 --> 02:46:31,120
Speaker 1: she she she doesn't have She doesn't have like that.

2598
02:46:31,200 --> 02:46:33,320
Speaker 1: She doesn't have the sort of like advertising ability to

2599
02:46:33,400 --> 02:46:36,320
Speaker 1: do this. But do you know who does have the

2600
02:46:36,360 --> 02:46:40,760
Speaker 1: advertising ability to sell you things? Is it our lovely,

2601
02:46:41,240 --> 02:46:47,360
Speaker 1: our lovely and very very fans friendly sponsors, every single

2602
02:46:47,400 --> 02:46:52,320
Speaker 1: one of them, Chevron. Uh, what what other sponsors do

2603
02:46:52,400 --> 02:46:58,160
Speaker 1: we have? I have no idea watch that's right, highway

2604
02:46:58,160 --> 02:47:00,440
Speaker 1: patrol blue ape. Well we can't. We can't say that

2605
02:47:02,240 --> 02:47:06,360
Speaker 1: of a fatherly archetypal deity. That's right, all of these people,

2606
02:47:06,879 --> 02:47:09,160
Speaker 1: uh will love and accept you for being trends and

2607
02:47:09,200 --> 02:47:13,199
Speaker 1: then offer you a job at a defense contractor. Um. Anyway,

2608
02:47:13,959 --> 02:47:21,040
Speaker 1: you alright, so we're we're we're we're back. Uh we

2609
02:47:21,160 --> 02:47:23,800
Speaker 1: revealed the problem try a right check is that she's

2610
02:47:23,840 --> 02:47:25,720
Speaker 1: a hack and she can't convince anyone wh doesn't connects.

2611
02:47:25,720 --> 02:47:27,960
Speaker 1: And this is where a bunch of people who are

2612
02:47:28,000 --> 02:47:30,040
Speaker 1: not actually any smarter than try a right check, but

2613
02:47:30,160 --> 02:47:34,760
Speaker 1: like can write more fancy swinging the gear. Um, and

2614
02:47:35,320 --> 02:47:37,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna walk through some of the arguments they're using

2615
02:47:37,440 --> 02:47:40,480
Speaker 1: so you can like even the quote unquote more research

2616
02:47:40,560 --> 02:47:42,560
Speaker 1: it is once you actually look at the stuff they're sighting,

2617
02:47:42,600 --> 02:47:45,560
Speaker 1: and these like very official looking threads. So, for example,

2618
02:47:45,600 --> 02:47:49,200
Speaker 1: on August seventeenth, Wesley Yang he was a hack pundit who,

2619
02:47:49,400 --> 02:47:52,000
Speaker 1: admittedly I must applaud him for doing more in his

2620
02:47:52,080 --> 02:47:55,240
Speaker 1: lifetime to combat the stereotype the eight than any other

2621
02:47:55,320 --> 02:47:58,800
Speaker 1: person ever born. Has um did a di did a

2622
02:47:58,920 --> 02:48:01,440
Speaker 1: threat attempting to defend lives of TikTok's like you know

2623
02:48:01,600 --> 02:48:04,520
Speaker 1: the thing about Boston Children's Hospital giving out his directomes

2624
02:48:05,120 --> 02:48:07,320
Speaker 1: and Okay, so it starts with him going all right,

2625
02:48:07,320 --> 02:48:09,160
Speaker 1: all right, so we're going gonna work for this right,

2626
02:48:09,200 --> 02:48:15,840
Speaker 1: He's like, okay, gender surgery. That means it means they

2627
02:48:15,920 --> 02:48:22,880
Speaker 1: gave like three people missectomies, right, and then under what

2628
02:48:23,120 --> 02:48:29,040
Speaker 1: condition apparently apparently eight they may actually have given like

2629
02:48:29,360 --> 02:48:33,160
Speaker 1: three people who were like seventeen missectomies, which is again

2630
02:48:33,200 --> 02:48:34,800
Speaker 1: not his director, this is a different thing. Okay. And

2631
02:48:34,840 --> 02:48:38,160
Speaker 1: and then and then he goes, well, okay, so hospital,

2632
02:48:38,760 --> 02:48:41,000
Speaker 1: there's hospital doc showing it they that they do do

2633
02:48:41,120 --> 02:48:45,360
Speaker 1: genitals or he admits that they don't. It's never happens,

2634
02:48:47,320 --> 02:48:53,080
Speaker 1: says they could do it, but they never had document.

2635
02:48:53,560 --> 02:48:56,359
Speaker 1: But I've misread and don't understand the feed a consultation

2636
02:48:56,600 --> 02:49:00,760
Speaker 1: and getting it a surgery clown and the who destroyed

2637
02:49:00,800 --> 02:49:03,720
Speaker 1: his entire brain for money in like two thousand and fifteen.

2638
02:49:04,920 --> 02:49:08,160
Speaker 1: I would be interested in seeing, you know, if if

2639
02:49:08,200 --> 02:49:12,200
Speaker 1: they're arguing that seventeen year olds cannot medically consent to surgeries,

2640
02:49:13,560 --> 02:49:16,080
Speaker 1: are on what seventeen year olds can consent to another

2641
02:49:16,920 --> 02:49:20,920
Speaker 1: another situation. There's there's two angles for that, right. There

2642
02:49:21,040 --> 02:49:24,200
Speaker 1: is the uh, there is what what percentage of these

2643
02:49:24,280 --> 02:49:27,640
Speaker 1: people like fucking Tucker Carlson have gone on a show

2644
02:49:27,680 --> 02:49:30,920
Speaker 1: and defended child marriage? And then there's the second question,

2645
02:49:31,080 --> 02:49:33,280
Speaker 1: which is okay. So if these people aren't okay, so

2646
02:49:33,400 --> 02:49:37,600
Speaker 1: if jenior Old is too young to quote unquote mutilate

2647
02:49:37,640 --> 02:49:41,080
Speaker 1: their bodies, why are you allowing people? Why are you

2648
02:49:41,080 --> 02:49:42,560
Speaker 1: allowing these people to be in the lead up the

2649
02:49:42,600 --> 02:49:45,000
Speaker 1: joining the army a place where you will in fact

2650
02:49:45,120 --> 02:49:50,280
Speaker 1: get actually mutilated. Also ignore the concept of circumcision. Anyway,

2651
02:49:50,400 --> 02:49:54,080
Speaker 1: let's you okay, Yeah, it's great, So so okay, so

2652
02:49:54,160 --> 02:49:57,640
Speaker 1: and and is the last thing he does. He starts

2653
02:49:57,720 --> 02:50:00,800
Speaker 1: ranting about other clinics who have done sectomies, so like like,

2654
02:50:01,000 --> 02:50:03,800
Speaker 1: let's let's take this piece. So first of all, again,

2655
02:50:03,920 --> 02:50:08,720
Speaker 1: no trans dude under eighteen is getting like at this hospital.

2656
02:50:08,760 --> 02:50:12,360
Speaker 1: It has never happened, it will never happen. Uh, there's

2657
02:50:12,360 --> 02:50:15,240
Speaker 1: anecdotal evidence that suggests that trans women have been able

2658
02:50:15,280 --> 02:50:18,440
Speaker 1: to get bottom surgeries like elsewhere when they were when

2659
02:50:18,440 --> 02:50:21,080
Speaker 1: they were like at like age seventeen. But but if

2660
02:50:21,080 --> 02:50:24,000
Speaker 1: you if you chase down the citation, the evidence for

2661
02:50:24,080 --> 02:50:28,400
Speaker 1: this is purely anecdotal. So there's no actual like evidence

2662
02:50:28,480 --> 02:50:32,040
Speaker 1: that like this happened. It's just they found They found

2663
02:50:32,120 --> 02:50:34,080
Speaker 1: several studies, all of which are siding with each other.

2664
02:50:34,160 --> 02:50:36,080
Speaker 1: And at the beginning, one starts with I heard some

2665
02:50:36,200 --> 02:50:43,440
Speaker 1: stories about this. This is going great on the sectomy fronts,

2666
02:50:43,640 --> 02:50:46,640
Speaker 1: like like okay, so like the like some there are

2667
02:50:46,760 --> 02:50:49,520
Speaker 1: some trans men who have gotten sectovies, like when they

2668
02:50:49,560 --> 02:50:53,199
Speaker 1: were technically a minor, right, but like okay, I again,

2669
02:50:53,280 --> 02:50:55,280
Speaker 1: depending on the age of medical consent in this day,

2670
02:50:55,600 --> 02:50:59,879
Speaker 1: depending on what other there's another treatment options were available

2671
02:51:00,000 --> 02:51:04,039
Speaker 1: after years of therapy and consultations. And also we should

2672
02:51:04,080 --> 02:51:06,640
Speaker 1: mention this like with actually sis sis girls get missectomies

2673
02:51:06,680 --> 02:51:08,840
Speaker 1: like all the time. This is like this, this is

2674
02:51:08,920 --> 02:51:13,040
Speaker 1: a regular procedure that like get we should explain what

2675
02:51:13,200 --> 02:51:15,280
Speaker 1: messectomies and its directs me off for people in just

2676
02:51:15,480 --> 02:51:19,320
Speaker 1: in case they're not familiar. I think, Yeah, so okay,

2677
02:51:19,360 --> 02:51:24,160
Speaker 1: so his directomy basically is the okay, what what was

2678
02:51:24,200 --> 02:51:28,160
Speaker 1: the simple sway to explaining like surgical removing of the uterus,

2679
02:51:28,280 --> 02:51:32,560
Speaker 1: right yeah, well yeah, yeah, it's it's it's mostly so

2680
02:51:32,600 --> 02:51:34,200
Speaker 1: it's this is a rouble of the uterus. There are

2681
02:51:34,240 --> 02:51:36,040
Speaker 1: like some versions of it where you get your overras

2682
02:51:36,120 --> 02:51:40,640
Speaker 1: taken out to um. Yeah yeah. Missectomy is like you're

2683
02:51:40,640 --> 02:51:45,920
Speaker 1: getting your breast removed or sometimes it's like size reduction stuff. Um,

2684
02:51:46,080 --> 02:51:48,160
Speaker 1: it's a it's a fairly common procedure. This happens like

2685
02:51:48,200 --> 02:51:50,320
Speaker 1: all the time. And okay, if if you look at

2686
02:51:50,320 --> 02:51:53,320
Speaker 1: what's happening here, right, So there's no evidence that the

2687
02:51:53,400 --> 02:51:58,240
Speaker 1: kids are getting his directivies. So what what Resley Yang

2688
02:51:58,280 --> 02:52:03,000
Speaker 1: and like who is redirect focus on gender affirming mussectomies?

2689
02:52:03,000 --> 02:52:04,920
Speaker 1: Because again they don't have any evidence first things happening,

2690
02:52:05,440 --> 02:52:08,120
Speaker 1: and then because they don't have any evidence, uh, they

2691
02:52:08,160 --> 02:52:10,760
Speaker 1: have to start using conspiracy logic and going like, well

2692
02:52:10,920 --> 02:52:13,040
Speaker 1: this other thing happens, and other people also did a

2693
02:52:13,080 --> 02:52:17,400
Speaker 1: completely other unrelated and this is evidence that this hospital

2694
02:52:17,480 --> 02:52:19,360
Speaker 1: has secretly been giving these things out even though you

2695
02:52:19,480 --> 02:52:22,280
Speaker 1: just said like three treats before, they've never done one

2696
02:52:22,560 --> 02:52:26,360
Speaker 1: and they've never actually done his director. It's incredible stuff, right,

2697
02:52:26,440 --> 02:52:27,800
Speaker 1: Like this guy, I need to point this out, like

2698
02:52:27,879 --> 02:52:31,440
Speaker 1: what Wesley Yang, Like there was a period of you

2699
02:52:31,480 --> 02:52:33,520
Speaker 1: get an understanding of like people people who weren't around

2700
02:52:33,520 --> 02:52:35,320
Speaker 1: at the dosen't tends to understand like how bad the

2701
02:52:35,360 --> 02:52:37,400
Speaker 1: intellectual scene was. Like there was a time where this

2702
02:52:37,480 --> 02:52:40,480
Speaker 1: guy was like the like the rising Asian American intellectual

2703
02:52:40,680 --> 02:52:42,760
Speaker 1: like star who was like supposed to be like this

2704
02:52:42,800 --> 02:52:46,279
Speaker 1: is this sort of like like great revolutionary like thinker

2705
02:52:47,480 --> 02:52:50,320
Speaker 1: of the new twenty one century, and here he is

2706
02:52:50,360 --> 02:52:55,680
Speaker 1: doing this bullshit because absolute goddamn clown. I hate him. Yeah, okay,

2707
02:52:55,720 --> 02:52:57,440
Speaker 1: so moving on to other stuff, Like but the thing

2708
02:52:57,520 --> 02:52:59,600
Speaker 1: is like this doesn't matter, like the fact that everything

2709
02:52:59,600 --> 02:53:01,920
Speaker 1: they're saying is a lie and his bullshit like doesn't

2710
02:53:01,920 --> 02:53:05,200
Speaker 1: matter to trans is like they need this sort of

2711
02:53:05,280 --> 02:53:08,039
Speaker 1: like visceral emotional pull of the sort of like their

2712
02:53:08,120 --> 02:53:10,120
Speaker 1: mutilating children ship. And then the other thing they need

2713
02:53:10,320 --> 02:53:12,440
Speaker 1: is like threads that make it look like what they're

2714
02:53:12,440 --> 02:53:15,400
Speaker 1: saying is true. And this is enough to get a

2715
02:53:15,520 --> 02:53:17,400
Speaker 1: huge part of the sort of conservative base on board,

2716
02:53:18,000 --> 02:53:21,440
Speaker 1: and you know, it starts to move right. The story

2717
02:53:21,480 --> 02:53:23,720
Speaker 1: spreads to to the Donald, which is like the re

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Speaker 1: hosting of the old ar slast to Donald sub bredit

2719
02:53:25,959 --> 02:53:28,480
Speaker 1: that was banned for being like an absolute accessible of abuse.

2720
02:53:29,200 --> 02:53:31,920
Speaker 1: And they start organizing campaigns to harass people who work

2721
02:53:31,959 --> 02:53:35,720
Speaker 1: at this hospital, and this just gets worse. People like

2722
02:53:36,200 --> 02:53:39,840
Speaker 1: Steve Diese like start targeting specific doctors and calling them

2723
02:53:39,879 --> 02:53:44,560
Speaker 1: demonic and screaming about like Butcher's and so okay, So

2724
02:53:44,640 --> 02:53:47,600
Speaker 1: by the eighteenth we're on like day six or day

2725
02:53:47,720 --> 02:53:52,840
Speaker 1: seven of people like doing this, five of people setting

2726
02:53:52,879 --> 02:53:56,360
Speaker 1: death rests to a children's hospital and finally a platform

2727
02:53:56,480 --> 02:54:00,840
Speaker 1: does something. Uh so Facebook bands lives TikTok for one

2728
02:54:00,920 --> 02:54:10,400
Speaker 1: day and then it worked, you know, Okay, but they

2729
02:54:10,520 --> 02:54:12,800
Speaker 1: use that time to reflect, right and to think about

2730
02:54:12,840 --> 02:54:15,960
Speaker 1: what they do. Yeah. Yeah, and there there change was

2731
02:54:16,040 --> 02:54:19,440
Speaker 1: we need to post more about this, and so you know,

2732
02:54:19,480 --> 02:54:21,800
Speaker 1: we should be like, like the social media companies are

2733
02:54:21,840 --> 02:54:25,440
Speaker 1: never actually gonna talk because louser TikTok, especially with Twitter.

2734
02:54:25,800 --> 02:54:27,480
Speaker 1: TikTok is good for Twitter in the same way that

2735
02:54:27,520 --> 02:54:30,600
Speaker 1: Trump was, like, you know, like its presence. It brings

2736
02:54:30,640 --> 02:54:34,000
Speaker 1: traffic generation, they generate conflict, which is the entire purpose

2737
02:54:34,040 --> 02:54:38,040
Speaker 1: of the Twitter algorithm. They drive like advertising revenue. They

2738
02:54:38,120 --> 02:54:41,040
Speaker 1: got a lot of engagement. There's no reason to ban them. Yeah,

2739
02:54:41,160 --> 02:54:43,080
Speaker 1: and like and with Twitter especially like they like with

2740
02:54:43,200 --> 02:54:45,480
Speaker 1: Trump gone right, they had to they had to ban

2741
02:54:45,560 --> 02:54:47,880
Speaker 1: Trump for political reasons because you know, tried to overthrow

2742
02:54:47,920 --> 02:54:50,920
Speaker 1: the government. But like you know what Trump gone, Like Twitter,

2743
02:54:51,040 --> 02:54:55,840
Speaker 1: Twitter is like just a declining like social media as

2744
02:54:55,879 --> 02:55:01,200
Speaker 1: sure is. And you know, so I I watched I

2745
02:55:01,320 --> 02:55:06,359
Speaker 1: watched Donald trump pizza Hut commercial yesterday, and I forgot

2746
02:55:06,480 --> 02:55:10,800
Speaker 1: how funny Donald Trump was. Like he's as long as

2747
02:55:10,840 --> 02:55:13,640
Speaker 1: he's plagued the character of Donald Trump. He's actually really

2748
02:55:13,760 --> 02:55:17,000
Speaker 1: funny that I that I remembered all the fashions and

2749
02:55:17,080 --> 02:55:22,000
Speaker 1: parts and then else anyway, Yeah yeah, but like you know, okay,

2750
02:55:22,040 --> 02:55:25,200
Speaker 1: so yeah, okay, So like they the way the sort

2751
02:55:25,240 --> 02:55:26,640
Speaker 1: of thing works, right is that they get all these

2752
02:55:26,720 --> 02:55:28,800
Speaker 1: users and engagement from the right, starting like a campaign

2753
02:55:28,840 --> 02:55:31,120
Speaker 1: against the children's hospital. Then they get engaged with from

2754
02:55:31,120 --> 02:55:32,920
Speaker 1: the left going after them. They make money no matter

2755
02:55:32,959 --> 02:55:35,400
Speaker 1: who wins, and like you know, sometimes they'll band like

2756
02:55:35,520 --> 02:55:39,960
Speaker 1: Trump right because you know, or the dow temper of

2757
02:55:40,080 --> 02:55:41,840
Speaker 1: right wing people, because that that gives you like good

2758
02:55:41,879 --> 02:55:44,240
Speaker 1: liberal media attention. And then you know, and that that

2759
02:55:44,400 --> 02:55:46,600
Speaker 1: that that that gives time for a cycle to sort

2760
02:55:46,600 --> 02:55:49,039
Speaker 1: of build up for the conservatives to all talk about

2761
02:55:49,040 --> 02:55:50,800
Speaker 1: how they're being censored, and then when they returned to

2762
02:55:50,840 --> 02:55:52,680
Speaker 1: the platform, they do their whole eye was censored arc

2763
02:55:53,120 --> 02:55:59,320
Speaker 1: like we've seen there's Jordan's fifteen times. So with the

2764
02:55:59,360 --> 02:56:04,359
Speaker 1: loser ticktow on, they August they start targeting another children's

2765
02:56:04,400 --> 02:56:07,760
Speaker 1: hospital and this this is time. It was a Children's

2766
02:56:07,800 --> 02:56:10,080
Speaker 1: National Hospital in Washington, d C. Which is like DCS

2767
02:56:11,120 --> 02:56:14,240
Speaker 1: by far largest and most important children's hospital and they

2768
02:56:14,320 --> 02:56:17,000
Speaker 1: bring they bring their website down, like the same stuff

2769
02:56:17,080 --> 02:56:20,680
Speaker 1: is happening, and Twitter finally locks Lives of TikTok off

2770
02:56:20,720 --> 02:56:24,320
Speaker 1: of their account for a week. Um partially what's happening

2771
02:56:24,360 --> 02:56:28,360
Speaker 1: here was like there's pressure by friends, guess Alejandra klar Baio,

2772
02:56:28,440 --> 02:56:30,080
Speaker 1: who's been doing like a lot of great work like

2773
02:56:30,160 --> 02:56:34,360
Speaker 1: documenting and like documenting what lives tum be doing and

2774
02:56:34,400 --> 02:56:37,640
Speaker 1: like sparring with them and try a right check like

2775
02:56:37,800 --> 02:56:40,720
Speaker 1: keeps miss gendering her because China is a fucking enormous

2776
02:56:40,720 --> 02:56:43,280
Speaker 1: piece of ships who should be flushed down the ship

2777
02:56:43,360 --> 02:56:48,360
Speaker 1: belongs unfortunately, Like well, okay, so so some of the

2778
02:56:48,640 --> 02:56:51,280
Speaker 1: some of the like dozens of tweets that that I

2779
02:56:52,200 --> 02:56:54,320
Speaker 1: lives talk made about children's hospitals and take it down.

2780
02:56:54,320 --> 02:56:56,720
Speaker 1: A lot of them are still up and you know,

2781
02:56:56,920 --> 02:57:00,240
Speaker 1: probably was gonna right still band off Twitter, But like,

2782
02:57:00,320 --> 02:57:01,720
Speaker 1: you know what's gonna happen is there's gonna be like

2783
02:57:01,720 --> 02:57:03,840
Speaker 1: a wave of like good glberal media press, and then

2784
02:57:03,920 --> 02:57:05,640
Speaker 1: there's going to be the next wave of the conservative

2785
02:57:05,640 --> 02:57:08,480
Speaker 1: outrage over censorship and cancel culture stuff, and then she'll

2786
02:57:08,520 --> 02:57:11,600
Speaker 1: be back in a subject post a right chick said

2787
02:57:11,680 --> 02:57:15,320
Speaker 1: quote Now more than ever, I need your support. Consider

2788
02:57:15,480 --> 02:57:18,160
Speaker 1: becoming a paid subscriber so I can continue this important

2789
02:57:18,240 --> 02:57:21,400
Speaker 1: work when I get banned permanently. It's only a matter

2790
02:57:21,480 --> 02:57:23,680
Speaker 1: of time. All need your help to keep the light

2791
02:57:23,720 --> 02:57:26,240
Speaker 1: song so I can continue telling the truth. They can't

2792
02:57:26,320 --> 02:57:31,040
Speaker 1: cancel me if you don't let them, because there it

2793
02:57:31,240 --> 02:57:35,120
Speaker 1: is begins. Yeah, I mean, like I kind of says enough,

2794
02:57:35,160 --> 02:57:37,360
Speaker 1: like this has all always been a grift, Like this

2795
02:57:37,520 --> 02:57:41,119
Speaker 1: is like her fourth attempt. She's been trying her fourth attempt. Yeah,

2796
02:57:41,360 --> 02:57:44,320
Speaker 1: like she's been trying to become a vital Twitter personality

2797
02:57:44,480 --> 02:57:48,800
Speaker 1: for years. She gets found the one. She finally found

2798
02:57:48,879 --> 02:57:53,920
Speaker 1: something that worked, and that's uh baiting conservatives into being

2799
02:57:53,959 --> 02:57:57,920
Speaker 1: mad at her, yeah, giving them like some kind of

2800
02:57:58,080 --> 02:58:01,840
Speaker 1: excuse for being mad at trans people, right, Like yeah,

2801
02:58:01,920 --> 02:58:07,000
Speaker 1: it's like a self self validation thing. Yeah, specific specific

2802
02:58:07,000 --> 02:58:11,600
Speaker 1: and specific targets too, and like yeah, I mentioned this,

2803
02:58:11,680 --> 02:58:14,280
Speaker 1: like okay, like right check like is an actual human

2804
02:58:14,320 --> 02:58:16,440
Speaker 1: piece of ship. Like her ideology is bad, but like

2805
02:58:16,640 --> 02:58:19,320
Speaker 1: it is the stuff that she's doing is mostly about money,

2806
02:58:19,360 --> 02:58:22,000
Speaker 1: and this is true of like the entire ecosystem, right,

2807
02:58:22,040 --> 02:58:24,480
Speaker 1: like all of the conservative outlets is why, like Matt

2808
02:58:24,640 --> 02:58:27,760
Speaker 1: Walsh and is like like all of these people spent

2809
02:58:27,879 --> 02:58:30,200
Speaker 1: all of their time staring at metrics and looking at

2810
02:58:30,200 --> 02:58:34,680
Speaker 1: their fucking viewer data looking at the anti trans. The

2811
02:58:34,720 --> 02:58:40,440
Speaker 1: anti trans documentary is paywalled behind plus the hit new

2812
02:58:43,040 --> 02:58:45,080
Speaker 1: Like it's like it's funny because like all of these

2813
02:58:45,080 --> 02:58:49,519
Speaker 1: people like ran constantly and there's there's there's like increasingly

2814
02:58:49,560 --> 02:58:52,599
Speaker 1: anti semitic versions of it about how like the TRANSACTISI,

2815
02:58:52,720 --> 02:58:55,520
Speaker 1: the trans lobby or like funded by billionaires, Like every

2816
02:58:55,680 --> 02:59:01,640
Speaker 1: single of these people paid by fucking sorryes presumably well

2817
02:59:02,120 --> 02:59:05,279
Speaker 1: all all supposedly we're all getting paid by by George Sorrows.

2818
02:59:05,800 --> 02:59:08,320
Speaker 1: In reality, it's it's the rights all getting paid by

2819
02:59:08,760 --> 02:59:13,000
Speaker 1: what my black other guy's name, the fucking Fox guy. Teal, No,

2820
02:59:14,400 --> 02:59:20,240
Speaker 1: they are, they're now getting paid but the guy guy,

2821
02:59:20,920 --> 02:59:26,520
Speaker 1: uh no, the yeah, they're they're they're also all getting

2822
02:59:26,560 --> 02:59:29,760
Speaker 1: paid by just like the rabid base of like yeah,

2823
02:59:30,160 --> 02:59:32,240
Speaker 1: dealerships just think they're working class because they have a

2824
02:59:32,280 --> 02:59:38,360
Speaker 1: four enet and like, yeah, it sucks so true. They're

2825
02:59:38,360 --> 02:59:43,720
Speaker 1: about nine hundred thousand subscribers to this daily were Daily

2826
02:59:43,760 --> 02:59:46,600
Speaker 1: Wire plus the hit new streaming service. That's correctly, that's

2827
02:59:46,600 --> 02:59:48,840
Speaker 1: why it's a hit. Then they give me such a

2828
02:59:48,959 --> 02:59:51,760
Speaker 1: catchy name. But yeah, that's a ship ton of money

2829
02:59:51,840 --> 02:59:56,640
Speaker 1: for someone, right, pumping out hate getting Gina Curiso to

2830
02:59:56,680 --> 03:00:03,720
Speaker 1: make crappy films. That's right. Yeah, that an amazing career. Yeah,

2831
03:00:03,800 --> 03:00:08,280
Speaker 1: she went from and Pooled to Star Wars to Ben Shapiro,

2832
03:00:08,600 --> 03:00:12,800
Speaker 1: just gonna have her own Star Wars show on the prairie.

2833
03:00:13,480 --> 03:00:18,680
Speaker 1: It's amazing. Fucking countr bidy like that, that's the god. Like, Oh,

2834
03:00:19,080 --> 03:00:24,200
Speaker 1: the Hunter Biden trailer. Yeah, there's this trailer for a

2835
03:00:24,360 --> 03:00:27,320
Speaker 1: film that I forget Who's I forget, who's Who's um

2836
03:00:27,760 --> 03:00:31,760
Speaker 1: making this one? Um? But it's it's a film about

2837
03:00:32,040 --> 03:00:35,800
Speaker 1: all of Hunter Biden scandals and Gina, Gina is in

2838
03:00:35,879 --> 03:00:41,360
Speaker 1: it and Tyler. It looks like if this was directed

2839
03:00:41,400 --> 03:00:44,240
Speaker 1: by a smart person, this could be an amazing comedy

2840
03:00:44,680 --> 03:00:47,760
Speaker 1: like this, like the way the everything about it is

2841
03:00:47,879 --> 03:00:51,440
Speaker 1: so innately comedic, yet they're playing it as a political scandal.

2842
03:00:51,879 --> 03:00:55,240
Speaker 1: But no, it's just And if it was, if it

2843
03:00:55,320 --> 03:00:57,800
Speaker 1: was directed by somebody with any competency, they would have

2844
03:00:57,840 --> 03:01:00,879
Speaker 1: recognized it's a comedy film and it would be hilarious

2845
03:01:00,959 --> 03:01:03,920
Speaker 1: to watch. But instead it's going to be boring because look,

2846
03:01:04,160 --> 03:01:06,880
Speaker 1: conservatives are getting good at comedy left is worried. The

2847
03:01:07,000 --> 03:01:12,520
Speaker 1: left is getting very scared like the other the moments

2848
03:01:12,640 --> 03:01:15,680
Speaker 1: I knew that Glenn Greenwald had like like he wasn't

2849
03:01:15,760 --> 03:01:18,520
Speaker 1: just purely grifting, had like actually falling down the rabbit

2850
03:01:18,560 --> 03:01:21,160
Speaker 1: hole was what he spent like fucking like two years

2851
03:01:21,240 --> 03:01:23,959
Speaker 1: pretending that literally anyone on earth gave a shit about Hunter.

2852
03:01:24,080 --> 03:01:28,840
Speaker 1: Biden's also here here. Yeah, he's been simping for for

2853
03:01:28,959 --> 03:01:33,879
Speaker 1: limps of TikTok. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. This is all

2854
03:01:34,160 --> 03:01:37,880
Speaker 1: all leading up to his uh, incredibly hardball interview with

2855
03:01:37,920 --> 03:01:46,120
Speaker 1: Alex Jones. Great, great, incredible journalism. Just god, I love

2856
03:01:46,200 --> 03:01:50,480
Speaker 1: it here, so it all sucks and the other like

2857
03:01:50,600 --> 03:01:52,560
Speaker 1: the other big problem here, Right, It's like okay, on

2858
03:01:52,560 --> 03:01:53,760
Speaker 1: the one hand, like all these people are just doing

2859
03:01:53,800 --> 03:01:55,720
Speaker 1: this to make money. But the problem is that and

2860
03:01:55,920 --> 03:01:57,920
Speaker 1: I kind of emphasize this enough, it is easier to

2861
03:01:58,000 --> 03:02:00,680
Speaker 1: get the material brom and it needs to get gender

2862
03:02:00,720 --> 03:02:03,480
Speaker 1: affirming surgery. And this is a real fucking issue because

2863
03:02:03,520 --> 03:02:05,039
Speaker 1: it turns out when you convince a bunch of people

2864
03:02:05,080 --> 03:02:07,840
Speaker 1: that children's hospitals and mutilating children, what happens? Oh wait,

2865
03:02:07,920 --> 03:02:09,600
Speaker 1: hold on, I don't even need to go back to

2866
03:02:09,640 --> 03:02:12,080
Speaker 1: the anti abortion terrorism, the people bring down abortion clinics

2867
03:02:12,120 --> 03:02:14,200
Speaker 1: and murdering healthcare workers. I could just talk about the

2868
03:02:14,240 --> 03:02:18,160
Speaker 1: reaction to uh. Like almost immediately after the lockdown started,

2869
03:02:18,200 --> 03:02:20,000
Speaker 1: a guy tried to buy a bond to blow up

2870
03:02:20,000 --> 03:02:21,920
Speaker 1: a children's hospital and was killed in the shootout with

2871
03:02:21,959 --> 03:02:24,800
Speaker 1: the FBI. He was killed like a week maybe like

2872
03:02:24,840 --> 03:02:26,600
Speaker 1: a week and a half before. Another guy tried to

2873
03:02:26,720 --> 03:02:30,840
Speaker 1: derail a train to Rammay Navy medical ship. M hm.

2874
03:02:31,400 --> 03:02:34,039
Speaker 1: There was also the Staddy lady, the lady who tried

2875
03:02:34,040 --> 03:02:37,000
Speaker 1: to shake all the knives on board the hospital ship. Yeah,

2876
03:02:38,080 --> 03:02:41,520
Speaker 1: like it's just like okay, like if they're allowed to

2877
03:02:41,600 --> 03:02:43,520
Speaker 1: keep doing this ship, like, people are going to die.

2878
03:02:44,000 --> 03:02:45,480
Speaker 1: And this isn't to say like they can't be beat,

2879
03:02:45,600 --> 03:02:48,960
Speaker 1: especially I r L with first of these people in

2880
03:02:49,120 --> 03:02:53,160
Speaker 1: total are actually pretty small because like the number of

2881
03:02:53,200 --> 03:02:56,440
Speaker 1: people who actually rapidly care about this stuff is like

2882
03:02:56,800 --> 03:03:00,360
Speaker 1: a vanishing lea small minority of the US. And you know,

2883
03:03:00,560 --> 03:03:02,560
Speaker 1: and and I r L. That works for us because

2884
03:03:03,680 --> 03:03:06,560
Speaker 1: these people suck. Everyone hates them. Communities will come out

2885
03:03:06,600 --> 03:03:08,600
Speaker 1: to like to try to communities will come out to

2886
03:03:08,720 --> 03:03:11,240
Speaker 1: confront and defeat them. But this is you know that

2887
03:03:11,360 --> 03:03:13,720
Speaker 1: this is the this is the ecosystem, the media ecosystem

2888
03:03:13,720 --> 03:03:15,760
Speaker 1: of the modern right. It works like spreading conspiracy theories

2889
03:03:15,760 --> 03:03:17,480
Speaker 1: and citing mobs and then claiming they're being the censor

2890
03:03:17,560 --> 03:03:20,320
Speaker 1: when everyone tries to stop them, like in two to

2891
03:03:20,400 --> 03:03:22,080
Speaker 1: three weeks, when they found another one of these things.

2892
03:03:22,120 --> 03:03:24,760
Speaker 1: I don't know, it will be like fucking like transgender

2893
03:03:24,920 --> 03:03:28,640
Speaker 1: clowns are working make a wish foundation or something like

2894
03:03:28,959 --> 03:03:32,000
Speaker 1: we're gonna be talking about another instance, another instance like

2895
03:03:32,160 --> 03:03:37,720
Speaker 1: this in tomorrow's episode. Um, it's great, it's it's good.

2896
03:03:38,120 --> 03:03:42,520
Speaker 1: It's not good at all. That is bad. Yeah. Yeah,

2897
03:03:42,920 --> 03:03:44,880
Speaker 1: if you do want to be mad about force historict

2898
03:03:46,480 --> 03:03:50,840
Speaker 1: uh that immigration services force historicts means on people in

2899
03:03:50,920 --> 03:03:53,920
Speaker 1: their custody, it's a good thing to be mad about. Yeah,

2900
03:03:54,440 --> 03:03:57,320
Speaker 1: it's it's it's a good time on that we have

2901
03:03:57,560 --> 03:04:14,480
Speaker 1: here on this earth. Yeahs. Warning for some pretty intense

2902
03:04:14,560 --> 03:04:21,960
Speaker 1: transphobia and miss gender ing. Eighty year old Julie Jaman

2903
03:04:22,800 --> 03:04:25,960
Speaker 1: was permanently banned from her local y m c A

2904
03:04:26,080 --> 03:04:30,640
Speaker 1: after demanding that a transgender worker leave the women's locker room.

2905
03:04:30,720 --> 03:04:33,040
Speaker 1: Jaman said that she was trying to protect little girls

2906
03:04:33,080 --> 03:04:36,920
Speaker 1: from a biological man and a women's swimsuit who was

2907
03:04:37,040 --> 03:04:41,320
Speaker 1: watching them undressed? So this week a few dozen people

2908
03:04:41,480 --> 03:04:43,640
Speaker 1: joined Jaman to protest the y m c A. Some

2909
03:04:43,680 --> 03:04:47,400
Speaker 1: of the protesters, including her, were assaulted by lunatics men

2910
03:04:47,600 --> 03:04:51,240
Speaker 1: dressed as women. Okay, first of all, that granny rocks.

2911
03:04:51,320 --> 03:04:54,400
Speaker 1: But when pressed Poor Towns in Washington police said that

2912
03:04:54,560 --> 03:04:58,240
Speaker 1: Mr Mrs Jayman had an emotional response to a strange

2913
03:04:58,360 --> 03:05:00,520
Speaker 1: male being in the bathroom and how helping a young

2914
03:05:00,560 --> 03:05:04,039
Speaker 1: girl take off her bathing suit. Well, I should hope

2915
03:05:04,080 --> 03:05:08,400
Speaker 1: the response to that would be emotional. Yeah, because this,

2916
03:05:08,680 --> 03:05:11,480
Speaker 1: you know, you can just picture this kind of situation

2917
03:05:11,560 --> 03:05:16,080
Speaker 1: where they're grooming little kids, uh, completely inappropriately, and you're

2918
03:05:16,160 --> 03:05:18,120
Speaker 1: you're you're doing the thing that a lot of people

2919
03:05:18,440 --> 03:05:21,000
Speaker 1: want you to do and that a lot of people

2920
03:05:21,080 --> 03:05:24,680
Speaker 1: watching would But I hope everybody is aware that this,

2921
03:05:25,480 --> 03:05:29,400
Speaker 1: from what I understand, is pretty wonderful profit for big

2922
03:05:29,480 --> 03:05:33,920
Speaker 1: pharma and medical systems. It's and what's happening to children

2923
03:05:34,320 --> 03:05:41,080
Speaker 1: becomes even more disastrous. And you were protecting the kids.

2924
03:05:41,440 --> 03:05:44,480
Speaker 1: You were protecting the kids. I mean, they should have

2925
03:05:44,600 --> 03:05:48,240
Speaker 1: a responsibility to do that. The Young Men's Christians Association

2926
03:05:48,840 --> 03:05:52,040
Speaker 1: UH should be doing that themselves if they were playing

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Speaker 1: any role in this whatsoever. It's pretty frightening. This is

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Speaker 1: it could happen. He Yer. I'm Garrison, and today we're

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03:06:02,600 --> 03:06:06,760
Speaker 1: talking about a recent flare up of anti trans hate

2930
03:06:07,240 --> 03:06:11,400
Speaker 1: and the anti trans protests and campaigning that's engulfed a

2931
03:06:11,560 --> 03:06:15,920
Speaker 1: small town in northern Washington in what conservatives describe as

2932
03:06:16,040 --> 03:06:21,120
Speaker 1: the culture war front. The past month, for right media

2933
03:06:21,200 --> 03:06:26,360
Speaker 1: personalities and anti trans so called feminists have partnered together

2934
03:06:26,480 --> 03:06:30,520
Speaker 1: to create an international nexus point for the increasing attacks

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03:06:30,720 --> 03:06:35,120
Speaker 1: on trans and queer people, resulting in a wave of harassment,

2936
03:06:35,440 --> 03:06:40,360
Speaker 1: death threats, and rallies, including an upcoming anti trans rally

2937
03:06:40,480 --> 03:06:43,560
Speaker 1: in association with the Proud Boys and Three per Centers

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03:06:44,120 --> 03:06:49,640
Speaker 1: slated for Saturday, September three. Port Townsend is a small

2939
03:06:49,720 --> 03:06:53,480
Speaker 1: city of just around ten thousand people located on the

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03:06:53,560 --> 03:06:58,640
Speaker 1: Olympic Peninsula in Washington State, just north of Seattle. The

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03:06:58,720 --> 03:07:02,480
Speaker 1: city has a geographic footprint of just under ten square miles.

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03:07:03,080 --> 03:07:06,840
Speaker 1: Over the course of the past month, the quaint beachside

2943
03:07:06,879 --> 03:07:10,600
Speaker 1: city has become the focus of a disinformation campaign against

2944
03:07:10,680 --> 03:07:16,320
Speaker 1: trans people and transgender inclusivity. But unless you frequent right

2945
03:07:16,360 --> 03:07:20,040
Speaker 1: wing news outlets, you probably haven't heard anything about this story,

2946
03:07:20,440 --> 03:07:23,959
Speaker 1: let alone are aware of the massive amount of harassment

2947
03:07:24,120 --> 03:07:28,199
Speaker 1: and death threats being targeted at trans people and their allies.

2948
03:07:29,080 --> 03:07:32,920
Speaker 1: Anti trans and far right activists have already descended on

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03:07:33,120 --> 03:07:36,119
Speaker 1: this small city from all around the country and plan

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03:07:36,240 --> 03:07:40,080
Speaker 1: to do so again on September three, with Proud Boys

2951
03:07:40,200 --> 03:07:44,240
Speaker 1: and three per Centers promising to show up. So what

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03:07:44,400 --> 03:07:48,280
Speaker 1: actually happened that escalated things to this point? On July

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03:07:49,520 --> 03:07:53,200
Speaker 1: and eighty year old woman named Julie Jammin was in

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03:07:53,280 --> 03:07:57,320
Speaker 1: a pool locker room and began verbally harassing a trans

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03:07:57,400 --> 03:08:00,440
Speaker 1: woman who was on the job as an employer of

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03:08:00,600 --> 03:08:04,800
Speaker 1: the Olympic Peninsula y m c A. Julie Gemmen asked

2957
03:08:04,959 --> 03:08:08,800
Speaker 1: invasive questions about her genitals and later accused her of

2958
03:08:08,879 --> 03:08:14,480
Speaker 1: engaging in inappropriate conduct while continuously mis gendering this employee.

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Speaker 1: Both the employee and y m c A officials, and

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Speaker 1: like everyone else present in the locker room, have disputed

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03:08:23,520 --> 03:08:27,960
Speaker 1: Julie's highly publicized version of events, which we'll get into

2962
03:08:28,080 --> 03:08:30,879
Speaker 1: in a bit, but first we're going to hear from

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Speaker 1: the original target of the harassment. A few days ago,

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03:08:34,840 --> 03:08:38,440
Speaker 1: I was able to talk with Clementine, young trans woman

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03:08:38,560 --> 03:08:41,720
Speaker 1: about what happened to her near the end of July

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03:08:42,000 --> 03:08:45,480
Speaker 1: while working at the y m c A. It was

2967
03:08:45,680 --> 03:08:49,360
Speaker 1: a pretty normal day that week. We were doing uh

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03:08:51,320 --> 03:08:58,200
Speaker 1: swimming with the kids. UH and man the other childcare

2969
03:08:58,320 --> 03:09:02,720
Speaker 1: workers you know, use the locker rooms kind of as expected,

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03:09:02,920 --> 03:09:06,920
Speaker 1: and I was using the woman's locker room just because

2971
03:09:07,000 --> 03:09:11,119
Speaker 1: you know, that works for me, um, and that lines

2972
03:09:11,200 --> 03:09:14,440
Speaker 1: up with how I feel. We went through all that

2973
03:09:14,720 --> 03:09:17,280
Speaker 1: no problems. We got the kids, the kids got changed

2974
03:09:17,440 --> 03:09:19,840
Speaker 1: and their stalls, and then once we were out in

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03:09:19,920 --> 03:09:23,120
Speaker 1: the pool, one of the kids needed to use the

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03:09:23,240 --> 03:09:27,879
Speaker 1: locker room bathroom, so I took that kid and another

2977
03:09:27,959 --> 03:09:30,400
Speaker 1: kid into the locker room in accordance with the wise

2978
03:09:31,520 --> 03:09:36,160
Speaker 1: rule of three system. To clarify, at the y m

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03:09:36,240 --> 03:09:39,160
Speaker 1: c A, there is a quote rule of three where

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03:09:39,320 --> 03:09:42,440
Speaker 1: staff always accompany children in a group of three, so

2981
03:09:42,560 --> 03:09:45,000
Speaker 1: that a staff person is never alone with a child

2982
03:09:45,160 --> 03:09:48,879
Speaker 1: and children are never alone with each other. As Clementine

2983
03:09:49,000 --> 03:09:52,400
Speaker 1: was standing with a kid outside the restroom stall, waiting

2984
03:09:52,440 --> 03:09:55,199
Speaker 1: on the other kid who was using the bathroom, Julie

2985
03:09:55,200 --> 03:09:59,400
Speaker 1: Germmond was showering nearby in a curtained off stall across

2986
03:09:59,520 --> 03:10:03,199
Speaker 1: the locker room. I was waiting outside of the bathroom

2987
03:10:03,280 --> 03:10:06,560
Speaker 1: stall with the kid being the buddy making small talk.

2988
03:10:07,360 --> 03:10:13,240
Speaker 1: When Julie Jaman initiated the dialogue by asking if I

2989
03:10:13,480 --> 03:10:20,960
Speaker 1: was a member of the lgbt Q plus community. I responded, yes,

2990
03:10:21,720 --> 03:10:28,240
Speaker 1: I'm trans And she asked me if I had a penis,

2991
03:10:29,520 --> 03:10:34,240
Speaker 1: and it kind of caught me off guard. Um, and

2992
03:10:34,320 --> 03:10:36,800
Speaker 1: I and I told her that, you know, that's none

2993
03:10:36,840 --> 03:10:41,080
Speaker 1: of your business. Um, Julie asserted that I needed to

2994
03:10:41,200 --> 03:10:44,120
Speaker 1: leave and that I can't be there. And then in

2995
03:10:44,280 --> 03:10:49,840
Speaker 1: response to her assertion, I just shook my head. Now, Um,

2996
03:10:49,920 --> 03:10:54,440
Speaker 1: I couldn't really leave or I'd be leaving the kids unattended.

2997
03:10:55,080 --> 03:10:59,720
Speaker 1: And you know, I was backed into a corner the kid.

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03:11:00,400 --> 03:11:06,119
Speaker 1: At some point, UM, the kid using the bathroom exited

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Speaker 1: the stall and had her swimming. Her bathing suit like

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03:11:11,080 --> 03:11:14,760
Speaker 1: wasn't fully pulled up, and she asked me for help,

3001
03:11:14,959 --> 03:11:17,800
Speaker 1: and so I assisted her by pulling it up by

3002
03:11:17,840 --> 03:11:21,840
Speaker 1: its straps. And you know, there were other patrons present

3003
03:11:21,920 --> 03:11:25,280
Speaker 1: in the locker room at this time. And at some

3004
03:11:25,440 --> 03:11:29,480
Speaker 1: point around the girl coming out and meeting her straps

3005
03:11:29,560 --> 03:11:36,240
Speaker 1: pulled up, Julie was back in her shower stall. And

3006
03:11:36,320 --> 03:11:40,040
Speaker 1: then around this time two more kids entered the locker room.

3007
03:11:40,080 --> 03:11:44,600
Speaker 1: It might be good to mention I have prescribed glasses. Um,

3008
03:11:44,840 --> 03:11:48,720
Speaker 1: I wasn't wearing my glasses and I couldn't see anything,

3009
03:11:49,879 --> 03:11:53,200
Speaker 1: which is kind of terrifying because you know, it was

3010
03:11:53,480 --> 03:11:55,520
Speaker 1: like a shot in the dark, like I just heard

3011
03:11:55,520 --> 03:11:58,440
Speaker 1: a voice and I had to search around before I

3012
03:11:58,520 --> 03:12:02,040
Speaker 1: figured out who was talking to me. But anyways, uh,

3013
03:12:02,959 --> 03:12:05,840
Speaker 1: the kids. Two more kids came into the locker room

3014
03:12:07,000 --> 03:12:11,360
Speaker 1: and they overheard Julie shouting at me and asked me

3015
03:12:11,560 --> 03:12:14,080
Speaker 1: what was going on, and like they had this concerned

3016
03:12:14,120 --> 03:12:17,240
Speaker 1: look on their face, and I just kind of told

3017
03:12:17,280 --> 03:12:20,039
Speaker 1: them to leave because I didn't want them to get involved.

3018
03:12:20,680 --> 03:12:24,000
Speaker 1: The kids went to the pool manager, Rowan, and asked

3019
03:12:24,040 --> 03:12:28,360
Speaker 1: for help with the escalating situation. They went straight to

3020
03:12:28,480 --> 03:12:31,640
Speaker 1: her and asked her to come help and told her

3021
03:12:31,760 --> 03:12:36,320
Speaker 1: that someone was yelling at me. And moments later, Rowan entered,

3022
03:12:37,160 --> 03:12:40,800
Speaker 1: and as she walked by, I got her attention and

3023
03:12:40,879 --> 03:12:44,920
Speaker 1: I told her, you know, there's an older lady yelling

3024
03:12:45,000 --> 03:12:48,360
Speaker 1: at me to leave right now. Uh, And I pointed

3025
03:12:48,520 --> 03:12:52,760
Speaker 1: at the shower stall that Julie was using. Roan kind

3026
03:12:52,800 --> 03:12:57,440
Speaker 1: of like posted up and Rowan stood in between me,

3027
03:12:57,640 --> 03:13:00,920
Speaker 1: the kids, and Julie and waited for her to come out.

3028
03:13:02,080 --> 03:13:05,640
Speaker 1: And then Julie you know, poked her head back out

3029
03:13:05,840 --> 03:13:11,600
Speaker 1: and said get out, you're a man. Um and Rowan

3030
03:13:11,800 --> 03:13:15,320
Speaker 1: you know, intervened when she sort of like popped back

3031
03:13:15,400 --> 03:13:19,320
Speaker 1: out and said, no, actually you need to leave because

3032
03:13:19,440 --> 03:13:23,080
Speaker 1: right now you're discriminating and kind of being a bigot.

3033
03:13:23,800 --> 03:13:26,840
Speaker 1: So it's actually that you need it's actually you that

3034
03:13:26,959 --> 03:13:30,600
Speaker 1: needs to leave right now. And Julie told Rowan she

3035
03:13:30,879 --> 03:13:34,600
Speaker 1: was confused about gender. And then Julie pointed at me

3036
03:13:34,840 --> 03:13:37,600
Speaker 1: and said, he has a fucking penis. He has no

3037
03:13:37,800 --> 03:13:40,960
Speaker 1: business being around little girls. He has a penis, and

3038
03:13:41,160 --> 03:13:46,760
Speaker 1: he could rape someone. And after that, Rowan uh sort

3039
03:13:46,800 --> 03:13:50,040
Speaker 1: of ushered me and the girls out of the locker

3040
03:13:50,120 --> 03:13:53,080
Speaker 1: room and uh told me to go to her office,

3041
03:13:53,360 --> 03:13:56,600
Speaker 1: and then the other staff members found me and helped me.

3042
03:13:57,920 --> 03:14:00,160
Speaker 1: UM and Rowan stood outside the lobby side of the

3043
03:14:00,240 --> 03:14:06,160
Speaker 1: office when I was in there, and UM, I guess like, yeah,

3044
03:14:06,200 --> 03:14:08,800
Speaker 1: after the police have been called, Julie came out and

3045
03:14:08,920 --> 03:14:14,560
Speaker 1: engaged with her, uh, and they were yelling. But I

3046
03:14:14,680 --> 03:14:18,360
Speaker 1: kind oft hear what was going on, and I mean

3047
03:14:18,480 --> 03:14:21,000
Speaker 1: that's kind of the end of it. I know that

3048
03:14:21,120 --> 03:14:25,400
Speaker 1: Julie left after that, and I just kind of checked

3049
03:14:25,400 --> 03:14:30,039
Speaker 1: out for an hour two. It shocked me. I haven't

3050
03:14:30,080 --> 03:14:34,280
Speaker 1: had someone do that to me before. I've never been

3051
03:14:34,520 --> 03:14:39,320
Speaker 1: talked to in a bathroom or locker room before, especially

3052
03:14:39,480 --> 03:14:42,359
Speaker 1: in that way. The y m c A pool manager

3053
03:14:42,560 --> 03:14:46,279
Speaker 1: told Julie Gemmen that she needed to leave and suspended

3054
03:14:46,320 --> 03:14:50,480
Speaker 1: her membership for violating the Wise Code of Conduct, which

3055
03:14:50,600 --> 03:14:56,760
Speaker 1: prohibits quote discrimination, hatred, derogatory or unwelcome comments, intimidation, conduct

3056
03:14:56,879 --> 03:15:03,800
Speaker 1: or actions based on an individual's sex, race, ethnicity, age, religion, disability,

3057
03:15:03,920 --> 03:15:08,840
Speaker 1: sexual orientation, or any other legally protected status unquote, as

3058
03:15:08,920 --> 03:15:12,199
Speaker 1: well as having no tolerance for disrespectful words or gestures

3059
03:15:12,280 --> 03:15:15,360
Speaker 1: towards y m c A staff or others. Part of

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03:15:15,440 --> 03:15:18,240
Speaker 1: an official statement released by the Olympic Peninsula y m

3061
03:15:18,360 --> 03:15:22,080
Speaker 1: c A, published as the incident in question was growing

3062
03:15:22,200 --> 03:15:27,320
Speaker 1: into a much broader anti transspectacle, clarified that Julie has

3063
03:15:27,400 --> 03:15:31,480
Speaker 1: had quote several incidents where she has repeatedly violated the

3064
03:15:31,560 --> 03:15:36,040
Speaker 1: Wise Code of Conduct, specifically using disrespectful words or gestures

3065
03:15:36,120 --> 03:15:38,960
Speaker 1: towards y m c A staff or others, and abusive,

3066
03:15:39,160 --> 03:15:43,120
Speaker 1: harassing and or obscene language or gestures towards y m

3067
03:15:43,200 --> 03:15:47,199
Speaker 1: c A staff or others. The Aquatics manager then informed

3068
03:15:47,320 --> 03:15:51,560
Speaker 1: the patron that she was permanently suspended from Mountain View

3069
03:15:51,640 --> 03:15:56,560
Speaker 1: Pool and all Olympic Peninsula y m c A facilities unquote.

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Speaker 1: After Julie was banned from the pool on Monday August one,

3071
03:16:01,760 --> 03:16:05,880
Speaker 1: she started showing up outside the facility with anti trains

3072
03:16:06,080 --> 03:16:09,280
Speaker 1: signs and led a small group of people into a

3073
03:16:09,400 --> 03:16:13,160
Speaker 1: city council meeting, resulting in an hour of public comment

3074
03:16:13,400 --> 03:16:17,640
Speaker 1: logged about the incident. Here is some of the statement

3075
03:16:17,879 --> 03:16:21,640
Speaker 1: Julie read in the city council meeting, which also gives

3076
03:16:21,720 --> 03:16:24,920
Speaker 1: a look at her version of events at this time.

3077
03:16:25,360 --> 03:16:27,440
Speaker 1: Personal podium, state your name and where you live for

3078
03:16:27,480 --> 03:16:34,440
Speaker 1: the record, Peninsula, and I'm here because I had an

3079
03:16:34,480 --> 03:16:37,040
Speaker 1: experience that you need to know. I have sent it

3080
03:16:37,160 --> 03:16:40,360
Speaker 1: to you all in detail. In an effort by the

3081
03:16:40,480 --> 03:16:42,560
Speaker 1: city and the y m c A to apply the

3082
03:16:42,680 --> 03:16:48,080
Speaker 1: neocultural gender rules at Mountain Viewpool dressing shower room facilities,

3083
03:16:48,400 --> 03:16:52,519
Speaker 1: women and children are being put at risk. My experience

3084
03:16:52,640 --> 03:16:55,640
Speaker 1: while showering after my swim was hearing a man's voice

3085
03:16:55,720 --> 03:16:58,600
Speaker 1: in the women's dressing area and seeing a man in

3086
03:16:58,640 --> 03:17:02,760
Speaker 1: a women's swims watching little girls pull down their bathing

3087
03:17:02,800 --> 03:17:05,800
Speaker 1: suits in order to use the toilets in the dressing room.

3088
03:17:06,680 --> 03:17:10,119
Speaker 1: I reacted by telling him to leave, and the consequence

3089
03:17:10,280 --> 03:17:14,800
Speaker 1: is that I have been banned from the pool. There

3090
03:17:14,920 --> 03:17:18,400
Speaker 1: is no signage informing women the shower room is now

3091
03:17:18,520 --> 03:17:22,160
Speaker 1: all gender and what that means. Nor have parents been

3092
03:17:22,240 --> 03:17:25,840
Speaker 1: informed of what they can expect with these news policies.

3093
03:17:26,840 --> 03:17:31,359
Speaker 1: The why has not provided any dressing shower room options

3094
03:17:31,400 --> 03:17:33,880
Speaker 1: for women who do not want to be exposed to

3095
03:17:34,000 --> 03:17:37,400
Speaker 1: men who identify as women. The y m c A,

3096
03:17:37,800 --> 03:17:41,920
Speaker 1: the city, the police and sheriff's, the parents, the professionals

3097
03:17:41,959 --> 03:17:47,000
Speaker 1: who assist victims of royalism, peeping tom's, pedophilia, and assault

3098
03:17:47,680 --> 03:17:49,959
Speaker 1: need to come together to figure out how to make

3099
03:17:50,360 --> 03:17:54,160
Speaker 1: the new policies work for all pool patrons, not just

3100
03:17:54,440 --> 03:17:58,119
Speaker 1: one group. How to keep children who are less able

3101
03:17:58,160 --> 03:18:03,840
Speaker 1: to discriminate safe. It is ironic that women who discriminate

3102
03:18:04,040 --> 03:18:07,680
Speaker 1: when a situation threatens their safety or their children a

3103
03:18:07,800 --> 03:18:12,760
Speaker 1: message from our ancestors are now accused of discrimination, as

3104
03:18:12,800 --> 03:18:17,560
Speaker 1: if they have made someone else a victim. We need

3105
03:18:17,640 --> 03:18:21,080
Speaker 1: to do much more intelligent and wise about applying the

3106
03:18:21,240 --> 03:18:27,760
Speaker 1: rules and developing policies that are respectful and inclusive. Thank you,

3107
03:18:28,879 --> 03:18:38,880
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you, so just a few notes about

3108
03:18:39,000 --> 03:18:44,360
Speaker 1: that trans inclusivity at the Y is not some new policy.

3109
03:18:45,240 --> 03:18:49,400
Speaker 1: For years, it's been literally Washington State law that people

3110
03:18:49,480 --> 03:18:52,720
Speaker 1: have the right to access the locker rooms, changing rooms,

3111
03:18:53,200 --> 03:18:56,800
Speaker 1: and bathrooms that align with their gender identity. This has

3112
03:18:56,879 --> 03:19:01,879
Speaker 1: been the case since the law states, quote, entities shall

3113
03:19:01,959 --> 03:19:06,640
Speaker 1: allow individuals to use the gender segreted facilities such as westrooms,

3114
03:19:07,000 --> 03:19:10,800
Speaker 1: locker rooms, dressing rooms, and homeless or emergency shelters that

3115
03:19:10,920 --> 03:19:15,680
Speaker 1: are consistent with that individual's gender expression or gender identity unquote.

3116
03:19:16,080 --> 03:19:20,560
Speaker 1: And regarding Julie's account of the incident, there have been

3117
03:19:20,840 --> 03:19:24,560
Speaker 1: no complaints from children or parents who are using the pool,

3118
03:19:25,160 --> 03:19:29,240
Speaker 1: and multiple accounts conflict with Julie's telling of the story,

3119
03:19:30,040 --> 03:19:34,400
Speaker 1: as the employee never did help anyone undress, nor was

3120
03:19:34,600 --> 03:19:39,800
Speaker 1: watching anyone change. Throughout this city council meeting, there were

3121
03:19:40,000 --> 03:19:44,000
Speaker 1: several public comments in support of trans rights that pushed

3122
03:19:44,000 --> 03:19:48,040
Speaker 1: back on Julie's outrageous claims and called out the overall

3123
03:19:48,160 --> 03:19:53,720
Speaker 1: trend of miss gendering and the groomer style transphobia. At

3124
03:19:53,760 --> 03:19:56,520
Speaker 1: the end of the meeting, city officials themselves took a

3125
03:19:56,600 --> 03:19:59,880
Speaker 1: stand against the transphobic rhetoric that was present throughout the

3126
03:20:00,120 --> 03:20:04,400
Speaker 1: hour of public comments. Oddly enough, for this show, one

3127
03:20:04,440 --> 03:20:07,879
Speaker 1: of the people I interviewed for this episode serves as

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03:20:08,000 --> 03:20:14,040
Speaker 1: a Port Townsend City councilwoman. Right. Um, my name's Lebby Winstrom. Um.

3129
03:20:14,360 --> 03:20:17,320
Speaker 1: I'm an elected city councilor for the City of Port Townsend,

3130
03:20:17,840 --> 03:20:21,680
Speaker 1: and I'm speaking today on as myself rather than as

3131
03:20:21,720 --> 03:20:23,960
Speaker 1: a representative of the city or a representative of the

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03:20:24,000 --> 03:20:27,200
Speaker 1: city council as a whole. When did you first kind

3133
03:20:27,200 --> 03:20:30,720
Speaker 1: of hear about this thing that's now ballooned into this

3134
03:20:30,920 --> 03:20:32,959
Speaker 1: larger issue with people coming in from out of state

3135
03:20:33,080 --> 03:20:35,480
Speaker 1: to do protests and all this kind of stuff. I

3136
03:20:35,680 --> 03:20:39,920
Speaker 1: think I first heard about it on Sunday night, which

3137
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Speaker 1: would have been I guess the thirty one July, and

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Speaker 1: I heard about it from the y m c A

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03:20:46,520 --> 03:20:51,360
Speaker 1: Aquatics director Rowan mackins Um, and it was more in

3140
03:20:51,440 --> 03:20:53,160
Speaker 1: the tone of kind of a heads up that this

3141
03:20:53,320 --> 03:20:55,640
Speaker 1: was a thing that was going on. And then I

3142
03:20:55,760 --> 03:20:58,320
Speaker 1: heard a lot more about it the next day, which

3143
03:20:58,400 --> 03:21:03,000
Speaker 1: was Monday, the first of August um, when uh Julia

3144
03:21:03,040 --> 03:21:05,160
Speaker 1: Jaman showed up at the pool with a whole group

3145
03:21:05,200 --> 03:21:08,320
Speaker 1: of people doing a protest that they were picketing at

3146
03:21:08,360 --> 03:21:13,840
Speaker 1: the pool, and she also submitted a public comment to

3147
03:21:14,000 --> 03:21:16,000
Speaker 1: the City council meeting that night. And at that point

3148
03:21:16,040 --> 03:21:18,360
Speaker 1: I realized that a group of people, including Julie, was

3149
03:21:18,440 --> 03:21:21,000
Speaker 1: probably going to plan on attending the City council meeting.

3150
03:21:21,720 --> 03:21:26,240
Speaker 1: UM and reached out to some friends and acquaintances in

3151
03:21:26,560 --> 03:21:32,200
Speaker 1: the UM trans and Allies community, UM Olympic Pride, UM,

3152
03:21:32,440 --> 03:21:36,240
Speaker 1: the Social Justice Group and at the Unitarian Church here

3153
03:21:36,280 --> 03:21:39,640
Speaker 1: in town and various other people who had been kind

3154
03:21:39,640 --> 03:21:42,120
Speaker 1: of resourced and say, hey, this is going on, you

3155
03:21:42,200 --> 03:21:45,120
Speaker 1: need to be aware of it. And in fact, that

3156
03:21:45,400 --> 03:21:49,280
Speaker 1: night there was over an hour of public comment. There

3157
03:21:49,320 --> 03:21:52,360
Speaker 1: wasn't anything on these council agenda. There wasn't anything we

3158
03:21:52,440 --> 03:21:55,360
Speaker 1: were discussing. It wasn't really a matter. It wasn't really

3159
03:21:55,360 --> 03:22:00,360
Speaker 1: i think, even on the city's radar. But people show

3160
03:22:00,480 --> 03:22:03,640
Speaker 1: up the City council meeting and normally when there's a

3161
03:22:03,800 --> 03:22:06,080
Speaker 1: public comment about an item that's not on the agenda,

3162
03:22:06,280 --> 03:22:08,440
Speaker 1: they cut off public comment half an hour, but for

3163
03:22:08,560 --> 03:22:10,800
Speaker 1: whatever reason, let it run that night, so it was

3164
03:22:10,879 --> 03:22:13,680
Speaker 1: well over an hour of public comment. And some of

3165
03:22:13,800 --> 03:22:19,040
Speaker 1: the things said, we're pretty shocking, and um, you know,

3166
03:22:19,200 --> 03:22:21,200
Speaker 1: to the to the tune of that you know all

3167
03:22:21,400 --> 03:22:25,120
Speaker 1: transgender people were pedophiles or that you know, this was

3168
03:22:25,200 --> 03:22:28,560
Speaker 1: a rape happening, and some some stamons it was just

3169
03:22:28,680 --> 03:22:34,560
Speaker 1: not true. And then based on what I heard that night,

3170
03:22:34,840 --> 03:22:38,120
Speaker 1: I was really concerned and felt that this was both

3171
03:22:38,600 --> 03:22:41,959
Speaker 1: you know, this was ballooning out of proportion, which now

3172
03:22:42,040 --> 03:22:44,320
Speaker 1: seems kind of funny given how much more belit's out

3173
03:22:44,320 --> 03:22:47,400
Speaker 1: of proportion. It's gotten. There's not really any action here

3174
03:22:47,520 --> 03:22:49,440
Speaker 1: for the city or for the pool. I mean, one

3175
03:22:49,480 --> 03:22:52,640
Speaker 1: of the things that Julia Jaman has retained legal counsel

3176
03:22:52,720 --> 03:22:55,040
Speaker 1: and sent a demand letter to the city, but her

3177
03:22:55,080 --> 03:22:58,280
Speaker 1: demands were like, well, you should fire people. Well they

3178
03:22:58,320 --> 03:23:00,720
Speaker 1: don't work for the city. There why I'm a employee.

3179
03:23:01,200 --> 03:23:04,560
Speaker 1: Um well you should change your policy. While the policy

3180
03:23:04,680 --> 03:23:08,039
Speaker 1: is literally state law and you know a bunch of things,

3181
03:23:08,080 --> 03:23:11,560
Speaker 1: so it's just you can't do this. Um. So it's

3182
03:23:11,600 --> 03:23:13,880
Speaker 1: not really clear why this is all focusing on the

3183
03:23:13,920 --> 03:23:16,040
Speaker 1: city because the city doesn't really have there's not really

3184
03:23:16,080 --> 03:23:18,959
Speaker 1: any action that the city could take here. On top

3185
03:23:19,120 --> 03:23:23,400
Speaker 1: of the dozens of people Julie lead in giving public testimony,

3186
03:23:24,040 --> 03:23:27,360
Speaker 1: which largely consisted of transphobia, miss gender ing, and baseless

3187
03:23:27,400 --> 03:23:32,720
Speaker 1: accusations that trans people are pedophilic inherently, but that same day,

3188
03:23:33,040 --> 03:23:36,720
Speaker 1: August one, she also led a protest to outside of

3189
03:23:36,879 --> 03:23:39,440
Speaker 1: the y m c A. To learn more about this,

3190
03:23:39,959 --> 03:23:43,920
Speaker 1: I talked with Cass and Raven, who are both part

3191
03:23:44,040 --> 03:23:49,520
Speaker 1: of a local affinity group. The first protest was August feet,

3192
03:23:50,280 --> 03:23:52,560
Speaker 1: and they announced that they'd be back the same time

3193
03:23:52,600 --> 03:23:55,320
Speaker 1: on the second, third, and fourth. So the second drew

3194
03:23:55,560 --> 03:24:01,360
Speaker 1: a much larger counter protest um, and then a lot

3195
03:24:01,440 --> 03:24:04,440
Speaker 1: of the same people who were there on the second

3196
03:24:04,520 --> 03:24:06,920
Speaker 1: came back the third and fourth, but there was nobody

3197
03:24:06,959 --> 03:24:12,160
Speaker 1: to counter protest against because the protesters gave up in

3198
03:24:12,280 --> 03:24:15,000
Speaker 1: Lenthallum after one day when they saw the kind of

3199
03:24:15,080 --> 03:24:19,640
Speaker 1: backlash they were facing, and most people, I think, thought

3200
03:24:19,760 --> 03:24:23,280
Speaker 1: that was the end of it, But people who do

3201
03:24:23,480 --> 03:24:26,720
Speaker 1: this kind of thing more often realized that this was

3202
03:24:27,640 --> 03:24:31,680
Speaker 1: more likely the vibe of the beginning stages of something bigger.

3203
03:24:32,520 --> 03:24:34,680
Speaker 1: A lot of red flags went off when we found

3204
03:24:34,720 --> 03:24:38,080
Speaker 1: out they were protesting at a city council meeting planning

3205
03:24:38,160 --> 03:24:40,320
Speaker 1: to come back the following week. Oh, that's right, that

3206
03:24:40,400 --> 03:24:42,800
Speaker 1: was The Other thing was the council meeting on the first,

3207
03:24:43,000 --> 03:24:46,480
Speaker 1: where there was a lot of public comment logged. It

3208
03:24:47,080 --> 03:24:50,480
Speaker 1: seemed to us like this was going to escalate further,

3209
03:24:51,760 --> 03:24:57,080
Speaker 1: but other people um tended to feel that it was

3210
03:24:57,120 --> 03:24:59,560
Speaker 1: going to be a quick, you know, one and done

3211
03:24:59,640 --> 03:25:03,160
Speaker 1: type thing, with how fast the news cycle picks up

3212
03:25:03,160 --> 03:25:07,000
Speaker 1: a new issue. And I think it was probably about

3213
03:25:07,000 --> 03:25:10,040
Speaker 1: a week later on the council meeting on the eighth,

3214
03:25:10,440 --> 03:25:14,600
Speaker 1: because by that point we knew about the planned turf

3215
03:25:14,680 --> 03:25:18,520
Speaker 1: action on the fifteen. That's when it started to click

3216
03:25:18,640 --> 03:25:21,000
Speaker 1: for a lot of people that this was going to

3217
03:25:21,160 --> 03:25:27,520
Speaker 1: become a bigger thing. But I don't think anybody, including us,

3218
03:25:27,560 --> 03:25:30,720
Speaker 1: thought it was going to become an ongoing issue. When

3219
03:25:30,760 --> 03:25:35,200
Speaker 1: I searched Court Townsend on Twitter and saw trending hashtags

3220
03:25:35,240 --> 03:25:38,480
Speaker 1: on a wall of anti transferator, a lot of red

3221
03:25:38,520 --> 03:25:42,880
Speaker 1: flags went off. Since the city council public comments, the

3222
03:25:43,040 --> 03:25:46,360
Speaker 1: y m c A had started receiving threatening phone calls,

3223
03:25:46,600 --> 03:25:50,560
Speaker 1: and Jamen had been returning to facility nearly daily with

3224
03:25:50,800 --> 03:25:54,720
Speaker 1: some friends to protest, approaching everybody coming in and out

3225
03:25:54,879 --> 03:25:58,039
Speaker 1: of the pool and talking about how men are allowed

3226
03:25:58,120 --> 03:26:01,600
Speaker 1: in the locker room and airing signs that miss gendered

3227
03:26:01,680 --> 03:26:04,080
Speaker 1: the employee. Julie's group had said they were going to

3228
03:26:04,120 --> 03:26:07,280
Speaker 1: be picketing every day at the pool that week. Um

3229
03:26:08,240 --> 03:26:10,720
Speaker 1: that they showed up and there were about a hundred

3230
03:26:10,959 --> 03:26:15,240
Speaker 1: counter counterprochesters isn't even really the right word, um people

3231
03:26:15,280 --> 03:26:17,040
Speaker 1: that were there. Was sort of like a little pride

3232
03:26:17,080 --> 03:26:21,160
Speaker 1: parade there, and um, Olympic Pride had a kind of

3233
03:26:21,200 --> 03:26:23,800
Speaker 1: a booth table set up and we're handing out Pride

3234
03:26:23,879 --> 03:26:28,160
Speaker 1: flags and the Social Justice group from the q o

3235
03:26:28,280 --> 03:26:30,200
Speaker 1: F had a um, you know, standing on the side

3236
03:26:30,240 --> 03:26:33,400
Speaker 1: of love banner, and there were kids blowing bubbles and

3237
03:26:33,640 --> 03:26:35,040
Speaker 1: and it was just it was much more of it.

3238
03:26:35,240 --> 03:26:37,520
Speaker 1: Just kind of a lot of people here. As these

3239
03:26:37,600 --> 03:26:40,760
Speaker 1: initial picket style protests were happening in front of the Y,

3240
03:26:41,480 --> 03:26:45,240
Speaker 1: the head of the Jefferson County Transgender Support Group called

3241
03:26:45,400 --> 03:26:49,000
Speaker 1: some friends and assembled this sort of counter protest to

3242
03:26:49,160 --> 03:26:52,000
Speaker 1: voice their support for the trans employee and the y

3243
03:26:52,120 --> 03:26:56,000
Speaker 1: m c A, which resulted in this gay as trans

3244
03:26:56,240 --> 03:27:02,000
Speaker 1: rights party massively overshadowing Julie Gemmen and her friends little protest.

3245
03:27:02,879 --> 03:27:06,640
Speaker 1: As she was getting outnumbered in person, Julie took to

3246
03:27:07,080 --> 03:27:11,080
Speaker 1: alternative tactics by getting in touch with media outlets that

3247
03:27:11,160 --> 03:27:14,840
Speaker 1: will give her a soapbox, resulting in a new wave

3248
03:27:14,959 --> 03:27:19,000
Speaker 1: of harassment targeted at the Y. There were about a

3249
03:27:19,080 --> 03:27:21,440
Speaker 1: hundred people and it was I think it was Julian

3250
03:27:21,640 --> 03:27:24,920
Speaker 1: one or two other people, and people had some conversations

3251
03:27:25,000 --> 03:27:26,880
Speaker 1: with Julie and it sort of seemed like that was

3252
03:27:26,920 --> 03:27:30,039
Speaker 1: going to be the end of it. And the next

3253
03:27:30,160 --> 03:27:35,080
Speaker 1: day the pool was closed and about fifty Trance Right

3254
03:27:35,240 --> 03:27:37,680
Speaker 1: supporters showed up and nobody showed up to pick it,

3255
03:27:38,200 --> 03:27:42,440
Speaker 1: and the pool was closed because pool employees were receiving

3256
03:27:42,520 --> 03:27:46,760
Speaker 1: death threats and just so much harassment. They basically couldn't

3257
03:27:46,840 --> 03:27:49,720
Speaker 1: use their phones because the phone lines were jammed and

3258
03:27:50,000 --> 03:27:52,560
Speaker 1: voicemails were filling up in fifteen minutes, things like that,

3259
03:27:53,080 --> 03:27:56,000
Speaker 1: um so, and then the pool ended up staying closed,

3260
03:27:56,040 --> 03:27:59,360
Speaker 1: I think, from the third which was a Wednesday, all

3261
03:27:59,400 --> 03:28:01,680
Speaker 1: the way through out week in the and the following week,

3262
03:28:02,000 --> 03:28:04,160
Speaker 1: and it was just kind of a safety issue of

3263
03:28:04,560 --> 03:28:07,440
Speaker 1: not wanting to have children present for day camps and

3264
03:28:07,800 --> 03:28:11,800
Speaker 1: patrons there if they were going to be harassed. Right after,

3265
03:28:11,959 --> 03:28:15,160
Speaker 1: I think probably on Monday, the first um of August,

3266
03:28:15,760 --> 03:28:19,040
Speaker 1: Julie reached out too. There's a local sort of far

3267
03:28:19,200 --> 03:28:23,160
Speaker 1: right blog site called the Port Townsend Free Press that

3268
03:28:23,360 --> 03:28:25,680
Speaker 1: isn't really a newspaper a news source at all. It's

3269
03:28:25,720 --> 03:28:29,360
Speaker 1: it's kind of this this one guy, Jim James Guarantino's blog,

3270
03:28:29,920 --> 03:28:32,480
Speaker 1: and she reached out to that and he did an article.

3271
03:28:33,120 --> 03:28:38,080
Speaker 1: That first Port Townsend Free Press quote unquote article came

3272
03:28:38,120 --> 03:28:41,840
Speaker 1: out to August two and served as a mouthpiece for

3273
03:28:42,040 --> 03:28:46,960
Speaker 1: Julie's inflammatory version of events, coupled with some conservative transphobia.

3274
03:28:47,800 --> 03:28:51,760
Speaker 1: More reputable news outlets and local press didn't really cover

3275
03:28:51,879 --> 03:28:54,240
Speaker 1: the story until it had already turned into a vital

3276
03:28:54,360 --> 03:28:57,760
Speaker 1: topic on the right, which means there was over a

3277
03:28:57,840 --> 03:29:01,800
Speaker 1: week where the only documented right of the incident was

3278
03:29:01,879 --> 03:29:06,360
Speaker 1: the Port Townsend Free Press blog post. Two days after

3279
03:29:06,560 --> 03:29:10,520
Speaker 1: that piece was published, Andy Knows the Post Millennial posted

3280
03:29:10,560 --> 03:29:14,640
Speaker 1: an article largely pulling directly from the Port Townsend Free

3281
03:29:14,720 --> 03:29:18,400
Speaker 1: Press right up, and that was just the start. The

3282
03:29:18,520 --> 03:29:22,160
Speaker 1: next day, August five, Ben Shapiro's The Daily Wire did

3283
03:29:22,240 --> 03:29:25,840
Speaker 1: an article about Julie Gammond and the danger of men

3284
03:29:26,120 --> 03:29:30,440
Speaker 1: watching little girls undressed in the locker room. Later that night,

3285
03:29:31,000 --> 03:29:35,440
Speaker 1: the story was on Laura Ingram's Fox News show, citing

3286
03:29:35,600 --> 03:29:39,000
Speaker 1: reporting from the Post Millennial, which of course cited their

3287
03:29:39,000 --> 03:29:42,840
Speaker 1: reporting from the Port Townsend Free Press. And across the

3288
03:29:42,920 --> 03:29:46,080
Speaker 1: country in Washington State, we found perhaps the most maddening

3289
03:29:46,200 --> 03:29:49,840
Speaker 1: story of the week, an eight year old grandmother was

3290
03:29:50,000 --> 03:29:53,320
Speaker 1: banned there from her y m c A after demanding

3291
03:29:53,360 --> 03:29:57,800
Speaker 1: that a biological male leave the woman's locker room where

3292
03:29:57,879 --> 03:30:02,039
Speaker 1: little girls were undressing. They then went to play clips

3293
03:30:02,320 --> 03:30:06,679
Speaker 1: of Julie's public comment at the city council meeting, amplifying

3294
03:30:06,920 --> 03:30:11,760
Speaker 1: Julie's ever changing, altered version of events. Now on the

3295
03:30:11,879 --> 03:30:16,160
Speaker 1: national stage, I think the mainstream actual you know, real

3296
03:30:16,360 --> 03:30:20,240
Speaker 1: local newspapers didn't pick it up until the seventh or

3297
03:30:20,360 --> 03:30:23,360
Speaker 1: the tenth, respectively, for the Peninsula Daily News and The Leader,

3298
03:30:23,800 --> 03:30:27,720
Speaker 1: and that gap when they amplified it out to the

3299
03:30:27,800 --> 03:30:30,480
Speaker 1: larger right wing press that's got picked up by bright Bary,

3300
03:30:30,520 --> 03:30:33,320
Speaker 1: got picked up by the Daily Mail. They kept quoting

3301
03:30:33,400 --> 03:30:35,840
Speaker 1: that original portens of Free Press article, which was very

3302
03:30:35,879 --> 03:30:39,120
Speaker 1: inaccurate about in terms of what it described as having happened,

3303
03:30:39,840 --> 03:30:42,360
Speaker 1: and I mean it was both outright wrong and it

3304
03:30:42,440 --> 03:30:44,400
Speaker 1: also left a bunch of things out, like that the

3305
03:30:44,840 --> 03:30:47,720
Speaker 1: transgender person was a y m c A employee, for instance,

3306
03:30:47,879 --> 03:30:49,320
Speaker 1: or that they were in the locker room because they

3307
03:30:49,360 --> 03:30:56,040
Speaker 1: were supervising children. Um and uh, I think we're really

3308
03:30:56,120 --> 03:31:05,080
Speaker 1: hit a crescendo on Thursday, the ninth sheet now earlier whatever,

3309
03:31:05,560 --> 03:31:09,040
Speaker 1: not Thursday's past week, but the previous Thursday. Um, it

3310
03:31:09,240 --> 03:31:12,440
Speaker 1: was on Tucker Carlson. And that's where I really saw

3311
03:31:12,480 --> 03:31:15,880
Speaker 1: the email volume explode for plate people from outside the area,

3312
03:31:16,000 --> 03:31:17,840
Speaker 1: where it was like, you know, you're getting thirty emails

3313
03:31:17,879 --> 03:31:20,959
Speaker 1: in five minutes, and they're from you know, they're from Texas,

3314
03:31:21,000 --> 03:31:23,880
Speaker 1: there from Tennessee, they're from New Jersey, they're from Australia,

3315
03:31:23,959 --> 03:31:26,440
Speaker 1: they're from the UK, etcetera. That when it got picked

3316
03:31:26,520 --> 03:31:29,800
Speaker 1: up by Fox News, the reach really got broad. The

3317
03:31:30,080 --> 03:31:33,120
Speaker 1: first time the story was covered on Tucker Carlson. Tonight

3318
03:31:33,400 --> 03:31:37,760
Speaker 1: took place on August eleven, in an episode guest hosted

3319
03:31:37,879 --> 03:31:40,560
Speaker 1: by Brian Clemide by m c A. Has changed a

3320
03:31:40,640 --> 03:31:43,600
Speaker 1: lot over the years. Now women and young girls at

3321
03:31:43,680 --> 03:31:46,560
Speaker 1: the Y finding themselves in locker rooms and showers with

3322
03:31:46,680 --> 03:31:49,640
Speaker 1: men who identify as women, but they still have all

3323
03:31:49,680 --> 03:31:52,440
Speaker 1: their genitalia with them. And if you're complaining to the

3324
03:31:52,560 --> 03:31:54,720
Speaker 1: y m c A about the genitalia and what they're

3325
03:31:54,760 --> 03:31:57,800
Speaker 1: dressed like, you might get yourself banned. It's what exactly

3326
03:31:57,879 --> 03:31:59,920
Speaker 1: happened to an eight year old woman in Washington State.

3327
03:32:00,320 --> 03:32:03,920
Speaker 1: Here to explain but not actually make excuses for but

3328
03:32:04,080 --> 03:32:07,840
Speaker 1: explain is our West Coast correspondent, Seattle based radio host

3329
03:32:08,000 --> 03:32:12,360
Speaker 1: Jason Rance. Jason set the scene. Yeah, so, I mean,

3330
03:32:12,440 --> 03:32:14,400
Speaker 1: here's the scene. Democrats used to stand up for women,

3331
03:32:14,480 --> 03:32:16,920
Speaker 1: but now they can't even define one. And as a result,

3332
03:32:17,000 --> 03:32:19,520
Speaker 1: you have eight year old Julie Jamon who said she

3333
03:32:19,640 --> 03:32:21,720
Speaker 1: was banned from a pool and locker room facility that

3334
03:32:21,840 --> 03:32:24,240
Speaker 1: was managed by the Olympic Peninsula y m c A

3335
03:32:24,640 --> 03:32:26,960
Speaker 1: on Port Towns in Washington. Now. She said she was

3336
03:32:27,080 --> 03:32:29,200
Speaker 1: headed into the locker room to shower and she saw

3337
03:32:29,320 --> 03:32:32,400
Speaker 1: something pretty alarming. She explained what happened at this council meeting.

3338
03:32:32,760 --> 03:32:36,280
Speaker 1: Then a clip from the public comments plays and I

3339
03:32:36,320 --> 03:32:38,800
Speaker 1: will not subject you to that again, but here is

3340
03:32:39,120 --> 03:32:41,199
Speaker 1: a little bit more of that clip. So a number

3341
03:32:41,240 --> 03:32:43,959
Speaker 1: of residents showed up to support her at this council meeting,

3342
03:32:44,000 --> 03:32:46,200
Speaker 1: but the mayor, his name is David Faber, he was

3343
03:32:46,320 --> 03:32:51,360
Speaker 1: not pleased, accusing them of transphobia. Townsend is a welcoming

3344
03:32:51,480 --> 03:32:56,160
Speaker 1: community and hate and discrimination has no place in this community.

3345
03:32:58,160 --> 03:33:00,920
Speaker 1: I listen to you quietly. I'd like you to listen

3346
03:33:00,959 --> 03:33:09,120
Speaker 1: to me quietly. Now, given the rise in harassment and bigotry,

3347
03:33:09,280 --> 03:33:13,200
Speaker 1: the trans persons are experienced recently. It's essential that we

3348
03:33:13,320 --> 03:33:17,800
Speaker 1: all speak up. The CIS gendered people like me speak

3349
03:33:17,920 --> 03:33:24,280
Speaker 1: up in support of our trans community. Now, Jamon says

3350
03:33:24,320 --> 03:33:27,440
Speaker 1: the staff accused her of being discriminatory. The YMC put

3351
03:33:27,480 --> 03:33:29,360
Speaker 1: out a statement basically saying we're not going to tolerate

3352
03:33:29,480 --> 03:33:33,600
Speaker 1: the bias, discrimination or hatred. And of course, in Washington State,

3353
03:33:33,879 --> 03:33:36,080
Speaker 1: the law allows anyone to use locker room change, remember

3354
03:33:36,160 --> 03:33:38,880
Speaker 1: bathroom that aligns with their gender identity. So they're basically saying,

3355
03:33:38,920 --> 03:33:40,960
Speaker 1: we're doing what we have to do, except, of course,

3356
03:33:41,040 --> 03:33:43,920
Speaker 1: protect women who don't want to see this. Unbelievable. That

3357
03:33:43,959 --> 03:33:46,720
Speaker 1: guy should be ashamed of himself behind the mask in

3358
03:33:46,800 --> 03:33:50,560
Speaker 1: the media after Methodist, did you see it alluding to

3359
03:33:50,640 --> 03:33:52,000
Speaker 1: this scale or did you think this is just like

3360
03:33:52,080 --> 03:33:59,560
Speaker 1: a one and done traumatic incidents? Absolutely not. Um I

3361
03:34:00,080 --> 03:34:04,000
Speaker 1: I really just thought, you know, oh my my days came.

3362
03:34:04,280 --> 03:34:07,280
Speaker 1: I finally have the bad bathroom experience. And I know

3363
03:34:07,360 --> 03:34:12,760
Speaker 1: a lot of people do have that bad experience. Um nobody,

3364
03:34:14,200 --> 03:34:19,040
Speaker 1: nobody is ready for it to be, you know, to

3365
03:34:19,160 --> 03:34:23,400
Speaker 1: have this much attention called just such a small thing.

3366
03:34:24,400 --> 03:34:29,400
Speaker 1: Um No, because I wasn't eaving for it to be

3367
03:34:29,560 --> 03:34:33,160
Speaker 1: like this, Because yeah, it's escalated to the point where

3368
03:34:33,160 --> 03:34:36,360
Speaker 1: you're like on international news for these like right wing

3369
03:34:36,440 --> 03:34:41,520
Speaker 1: grifters who are trying to basically get trans people killed. Um, yeah,

3370
03:34:42,160 --> 03:34:46,680
Speaker 1: and you're I don't know, it's really it's really upsetting

3371
03:34:46,800 --> 03:34:50,880
Speaker 1: to have my face and and name, you know, sort

3372
03:34:50,920 --> 03:34:55,560
Speaker 1: of be pushed out like that. And it it's crazy

3373
03:34:55,680 --> 03:34:59,920
Speaker 1: how that feeling, that the sinking feeling when I saw

3374
03:35:00,400 --> 03:35:03,040
Speaker 1: my my name and face I don't even think it

3375
03:35:03,160 --> 03:35:04,880
Speaker 1: was my face at the time, when I saw my

3376
03:35:05,040 --> 03:35:09,760
Speaker 1: name appear on that local PP Free Press article, and

3377
03:35:09,959 --> 03:35:12,200
Speaker 1: you know, at the time it was that still a

3378
03:35:12,240 --> 03:35:15,320
Speaker 1: pretty big impact. And then to have that just keep

3379
03:35:15,400 --> 03:35:24,720
Speaker 1: happening and it got it gets like kind of depressingly numbing. Yeah,

3380
03:35:25,040 --> 03:35:29,680
Speaker 1: just have it keep intensifying. I mean, yeah, I've been

3381
03:35:29,760 --> 03:35:33,280
Speaker 1: on hormones for almost a year now and I've avoided

3382
03:35:33,360 --> 03:35:36,400
Speaker 1: that for kind of reasons like this that it sucks

3383
03:35:36,560 --> 03:35:39,560
Speaker 1: because I just feel like, I feel like this is

3384
03:35:39,560 --> 03:35:41,400
Speaker 1: a very common experience with trans people who are like

3385
03:35:41,640 --> 03:35:44,360
Speaker 1: starting out, like you just can't really go anywhere because

3386
03:35:44,440 --> 03:35:46,160
Speaker 1: you look too weird to go in the vince room

3387
03:35:46,680 --> 03:35:49,880
Speaker 1: and you're not quite like you don't feel comfortable the

3388
03:35:49,920 --> 03:35:52,520
Speaker 1: woman's room because of stuff like this, and you know,

3389
03:35:52,520 --> 03:35:54,039
Speaker 1: if you're not in binary that, if it's a whole

3390
03:35:54,080 --> 03:35:55,720
Speaker 1: other issue of like where the fund do I go,

3391
03:35:56,560 --> 03:35:59,960
Speaker 1: Like there's there's there's not a lot of options sometimes,

3392
03:36:00,200 --> 03:36:03,800
Speaker 1: but then to have something that's already very stressful we

3393
03:36:03,840 --> 03:36:06,960
Speaker 1: turned into like a fucking like Daily Wired New York

3394
03:36:07,120 --> 03:36:12,840
Speaker 1: Post Info warship is like like what like like it's

3395
03:36:15,520 --> 03:36:19,000
Speaker 1: we like Tucker Carlson, like all of it. It's really

3396
03:36:20,600 --> 03:36:26,760
Speaker 1: it's disappointing that there's this idea that I, you know,

3397
03:36:27,040 --> 03:36:32,640
Speaker 1: I'm I'm actively trying to violate people's space, and and

3398
03:36:33,160 --> 03:36:37,240
Speaker 1: it's really frustrating because of how uncomfortable I feel putting

3399
03:36:37,320 --> 03:36:40,880
Speaker 1: myself in that position, being in that room. Um, and

3400
03:36:41,120 --> 03:36:45,120
Speaker 1: I don't want to have something like this happened, and

3401
03:36:45,520 --> 03:36:49,280
Speaker 1: I don't, you know, I don't abuse that space because

3402
03:36:49,560 --> 03:36:53,640
Speaker 1: I'm not some guy trying to prey on people. I'm

3403
03:36:54,080 --> 03:36:58,080
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to use the bathroom and get changed

3404
03:36:58,280 --> 03:37:01,320
Speaker 1: and and like do you try to talk about like oh,

3405
03:37:01,840 --> 03:37:05,360
Speaker 1: you know, walking in penis, hanging out and and all

3406
03:37:05,440 --> 03:37:09,720
Speaker 1: of these things. But I don't change in the public space.

3407
03:37:09,800 --> 03:37:12,720
Speaker 1: I go into a changing room, and you know, I

3408
03:37:13,680 --> 03:37:17,360
Speaker 1: I understand, you know, that confusion, and I try to

3409
03:37:18,440 --> 03:37:21,640
Speaker 1: subtract myself from the space as much as possible and

3410
03:37:22,720 --> 03:37:25,080
Speaker 1: make it, you know, more comfortable. When when I'm in

3411
03:37:25,160 --> 03:37:29,400
Speaker 1: a position like that where I'm trying to, you know,

3412
03:37:29,600 --> 03:37:32,480
Speaker 1: sort of entertain a kid who's not happy to be

3413
03:37:32,560 --> 03:37:35,800
Speaker 1: a bathroom buddy. And and I'm kind of putting that

3414
03:37:35,879 --> 03:37:39,760
Speaker 1: position where I have to talk um, it's super vulnerable

3415
03:37:40,280 --> 03:37:46,120
Speaker 1: and and I just remember feeling small and and I

3416
03:37:46,240 --> 03:37:48,920
Speaker 1: just shrunk when she talked to me like that, And

3417
03:37:50,400 --> 03:37:54,039
Speaker 1: I don't even the space just got so small. Piggy

3418
03:37:54,120 --> 03:37:58,560
Speaker 1: backing off the groomer and growing anti trans attacks we've

3419
03:37:58,600 --> 03:38:02,720
Speaker 1: seen this year. A large swath of right wing influencers

3420
03:38:02,879 --> 03:38:06,959
Speaker 1: and media personalities jumped on this story to drive outrage

3421
03:38:07,080 --> 03:38:11,080
Speaker 1: and push their rhetoric. Here is a brief clip from Newsmax.

3422
03:38:11,720 --> 03:38:15,880
Speaker 1: They're more than willing to just ignore possible pedophilia happening

3423
03:38:15,920 --> 03:38:19,240
Speaker 1: at the y m c A in the locker room. Well,

3424
03:38:19,600 --> 03:38:21,520
Speaker 1: it's from my point of view, it seems more like

3425
03:38:21,720 --> 03:38:24,560
Speaker 1: some sort of hypnotism. I know the word woke has

3426
03:38:24,600 --> 03:38:26,720
Speaker 1: been put to it, but I have to tell you

3427
03:38:26,959 --> 03:38:31,000
Speaker 1: that all public agencies I'm connected to UH as a

3428
03:38:31,200 --> 03:38:35,080
Speaker 1: citizen in a very small town. They are all operating

3429
03:38:35,200 --> 03:38:38,480
Speaker 1: with this gender identity, and you've got to wonder what

3430
03:38:39,120 --> 03:38:43,560
Speaker 1: is happening and those most private places that people, particularly

3431
03:38:43,640 --> 03:38:47,240
Speaker 1: women need to have. We've we've had you on We've

3432
03:38:47,240 --> 03:38:48,720
Speaker 1: had you on the show a couple of times now,

3433
03:38:48,800 --> 03:38:53,280
Speaker 1: and you seem very level headed, Yes, very very level headed. Indeed.

3434
03:38:53,760 --> 03:38:58,600
Speaker 1: Um By now the story has been headlined and obviously

3435
03:38:58,879 --> 03:39:03,440
Speaker 1: very miscare seized and transphobic fashion, but still headlined by

3436
03:39:03,520 --> 03:39:07,280
Speaker 1: The Post, Millennial, The Daily Wire, Fox News, Daily Mail,

3437
03:39:07,520 --> 03:39:11,960
Speaker 1: Bright Bart News, Max Info, Wars, New York Post, The Federalist,

3438
03:39:12,520 --> 03:39:18,240
Speaker 1: and the quote unquote feminist news site Redux. As false

3439
03:39:18,480 --> 03:39:21,600
Speaker 1: retellings about what happened in the Olympic Peninsula y m

3440
03:39:21,640 --> 03:39:25,360
Speaker 1: c A went viral on the right. Threatening emails and

3441
03:39:25,520 --> 03:39:28,000
Speaker 1: phone calls started pouring into the y m c A,

3442
03:39:28,360 --> 03:39:31,880
Speaker 1: prompting them to shut down the entire facility for over

3443
03:39:32,000 --> 03:39:37,680
Speaker 1: a week, leaving many local families without childcare services. Intense

3444
03:39:37,840 --> 03:39:41,640
Speaker 1: harassment and death threats were sent to city officials who

3445
03:39:41,800 --> 03:39:46,480
Speaker 1: voiced support of trans rights, and also to the pool manager.

3446
03:39:47,640 --> 03:39:51,440
Speaker 1: In my conversation with Libby Winstrom from last week, she

3447
03:39:51,640 --> 03:39:55,320
Speaker 1: detailed some of the threats and the impact the harassment

3448
03:39:55,440 --> 03:39:58,280
Speaker 1: has had on the community. A lot more of the

3449
03:39:58,440 --> 03:40:01,040
Speaker 1: ire is now kind of directed at the city and

3450
03:40:01,120 --> 03:40:07,959
Speaker 1: the mayor and just at the pool director, unless at employees. UM.

3451
03:40:08,840 --> 03:40:14,920
Speaker 1: The transgender employee who was you know, attacked in the

3452
03:40:15,040 --> 03:40:21,560
Speaker 1: locker room by Julie Dremond is actually no longer. Why

3453
03:40:22,440 --> 03:40:25,720
Speaker 1: UM and other people have left is another undisclosed location,

3454
03:40:25,959 --> 03:40:27,680
Speaker 1: just out of concern of trying to get the kids

3455
03:40:27,720 --> 03:40:31,200
Speaker 1: as far away from this whole process as possible. And

3456
03:40:31,800 --> 03:40:33,360
Speaker 1: and so that took a little bit of time in

3457
03:40:33,520 --> 03:40:36,120
Speaker 1: juggling to set up, and they were so short staff

3458
03:40:36,240 --> 03:40:38,480
Speaker 1: they were actually calling for volunteers in order to try

3459
03:40:38,560 --> 03:40:43,200
Speaker 1: to keep the childcare open this week just because UM

3460
03:40:43,959 --> 03:40:47,680
Speaker 1: they were already somewhat short staffed and with people leaving,

3461
03:40:47,840 --> 03:40:50,600
Speaker 1: it had just been even harder. UM. The y has

3462
03:40:50,720 --> 03:40:53,560
Speaker 1: been open I think all week this week. I think

3463
03:40:53,600 --> 03:40:57,600
Speaker 1: it was open Monday, Tuesday, today's Wednesday. UM. So it

3464
03:40:57,680 --> 03:41:00,480
Speaker 1: has been able to reopen. They've they've changed the around.

3465
03:41:00,520 --> 03:41:05,120
Speaker 1: It's now not open Saturdays again, UM and shuffled and

3466
03:41:05,160 --> 03:41:07,280
Speaker 1: I think some staff are working seven days a week

3467
03:41:07,320 --> 03:41:11,600
Speaker 1: in order to try to keep it open. UM. People

3468
03:41:11,640 --> 03:41:14,440
Speaker 1: are still getting threats. UM still getting I got a

3469
03:41:14,879 --> 03:41:19,320
Speaker 1: terrible email last night. I haven't been getting death threats.

3470
03:41:19,440 --> 03:41:24,480
Speaker 1: I've been getting things like, UM, you know you're a disgusting,

3471
03:41:24,600 --> 03:41:28,800
Speaker 1: fat pig bitch, why don't you go back to the buffet? Um,

3472
03:41:29,480 --> 03:41:31,880
Speaker 1: and you know, things like that. It hasn't for me

3473
03:41:32,280 --> 03:41:37,320
Speaker 1: been death threats. UM. The pool director was receiving photographs

3474
03:41:37,360 --> 03:41:41,880
Speaker 1: of her children saying there next and UM, some pretty

3475
03:41:41,920 --> 03:41:45,440
Speaker 1: explicit threatening messages like I'm coming for you, I know

3476
03:41:45,560 --> 03:41:49,440
Speaker 1: where you are. UM. And Mayor Favor has been getting

3477
03:41:49,440 --> 03:41:51,520
Speaker 1: similar things. He got one where somebody was threatening to

3478
03:41:51,560 --> 03:41:54,760
Speaker 1: come to his home and rape his wife. UM. So

3479
03:41:55,320 --> 03:41:59,160
Speaker 1: these have been pretty horrifying messages. For the most part,

3480
03:41:59,400 --> 03:42:03,240
Speaker 1: most of the email has voicemails have been coming from

3481
03:42:03,240 --> 03:42:06,240
Speaker 1: out of the area. You know, they're not they're not local. UM.

3482
03:42:06,440 --> 03:42:08,920
Speaker 1: So it's a little hard to gauge whether these are

3483
03:42:09,000 --> 03:42:11,040
Speaker 1: serious threats. But at some of you you feel like

3484
03:42:11,120 --> 03:42:14,000
Speaker 1: you have to take it somewhat seriously. UM. And that

3485
03:42:14,120 --> 03:42:16,200
Speaker 1: I think has been pretty disruptive, both for the y

3486
03:42:16,280 --> 03:42:21,080
Speaker 1: employees and for the city. As Julie's retelling of the

3487
03:42:21,200 --> 03:42:25,080
Speaker 1: story was going viral across the right wing and turf media,

3488
03:42:25,680 --> 03:42:29,440
Speaker 1: resulting in the pool having to temporarily shut down. So

3489
03:42:29,640 --> 03:42:34,400
Speaker 1: called press conference was scheduled outside of another city council

3490
03:42:34,440 --> 03:42:40,000
Speaker 1: meeting for August by Julie and her allies. There's a

3491
03:42:40,120 --> 03:42:44,959
Speaker 1: local UM she builds yourself. There's a sort of radical

3492
03:42:45,120 --> 03:42:50,040
Speaker 1: feminist UM named Ami Susa who has a uh so

3493
03:42:50,280 --> 03:42:57,880
Speaker 1: anti trans blog site, and Um, she has really taken

3494
03:42:57,920 --> 03:43:00,520
Speaker 1: this and run with it. So I've plugged in, but

3495
03:43:00,600 --> 03:43:03,160
Speaker 1: not well, she's really taken this and run with it

3496
03:43:03,800 --> 03:43:06,480
Speaker 1: and has I think has been really this kind of

3497
03:43:06,680 --> 03:43:10,640
Speaker 1: driving force between behind a lot of this amplification onto

3498
03:43:10,720 --> 03:43:16,920
Speaker 1: far right media. UM and Amy Susa held a what

3499
03:43:17,080 --> 03:43:20,560
Speaker 1: she built as a press conference on the August fifteenth,

3500
03:43:20,640 --> 03:43:24,000
Speaker 1: the night of the most recent Um City council meeting,

3501
03:43:24,640 --> 03:43:26,280
Speaker 1: and showed up with a group of I don't know,

3502
03:43:26,320 --> 03:43:31,520
Speaker 1: probably twenty five or thirty supporters, and there were estimates

3503
03:43:31,520 --> 03:43:35,320
Speaker 1: are between three and fifty and four hundred UM trans

3504
03:43:35,480 --> 03:43:37,880
Speaker 1: rights folks from town. I mean that there were local

3505
03:43:38,320 --> 03:43:40,400
Speaker 1: who had just showed up and most of them were

3506
03:43:40,560 --> 03:43:42,760
Speaker 1: waiting in line to go into the council meeting and

3507
03:43:43,080 --> 03:43:47,720
Speaker 1: you know, flying flags and raising gland at banners and stuff. UM.

3508
03:43:47,959 --> 03:43:50,640
Speaker 1: But there was some heated shouting and one person got

3509
03:43:50,760 --> 03:43:55,240
Speaker 1: arrested for shoving. There weren't any charges filed. I did

3510
03:43:55,360 --> 03:44:01,120
Speaker 1: confirm that with um UH, the Sheriff's office, um that

3511
03:44:02,080 --> 03:44:04,880
Speaker 1: with the courts, that that not no charges got filed

3512
03:44:04,879 --> 03:44:07,080
Speaker 1: out of that, which is contrary to those stories they've

3513
03:44:07,120 --> 03:44:09,160
Speaker 1: been putting out that like there were some charges filed,

3514
03:44:09,200 --> 03:44:13,320
Speaker 1: that's not true. I believe there were about three hundred

3515
03:44:13,959 --> 03:44:17,880
Speaker 1: people that came out to confront less than twenty UM

3516
03:44:18,680 --> 03:44:20,800
Speaker 1: people coming to try and bring Hayten to our community.

3517
03:44:21,600 --> 03:44:25,080
Speaker 1: And it feels like that really inspired a lot of

3518
03:44:25,160 --> 03:44:31,040
Speaker 1: the different networks to get connected. UM. Our personal little

3519
03:44:31,080 --> 03:44:34,240
Speaker 1: networks are incredibly white. Most of us are are trends

3520
03:44:34,280 --> 03:44:38,320
Speaker 1: of some reguard UM and we were reached out to

3521
03:44:38,560 --> 03:44:42,600
Speaker 1: by a local bipop community that we've we've had some

3522
03:44:43,120 --> 03:44:46,400
Speaker 1: crossover with, but not a lot. But since this happened,

3523
03:44:46,840 --> 03:44:51,120
Speaker 1: UM just the interconnectivity with with that group has just exploded.

3524
03:44:51,600 --> 03:44:56,480
Speaker 1: After the press conference, protest footage of the event went viral,

3525
03:44:56,640 --> 03:45:01,680
Speaker 1: spawning another new wave of right wing media outrage. Clips

3526
03:45:01,800 --> 03:45:05,920
Speaker 1: from the quote unquote feminist re Dux magazine Twitter account

3527
03:45:06,400 --> 03:45:10,320
Speaker 1: show Julie trying to give a speech while being drowned

3528
03:45:10,360 --> 03:45:13,480
Speaker 1: out by chance in support of trans people, and at

3529
03:45:13,560 --> 03:45:16,600
Speaker 1: one point someone running behind Julie to rip down a

3530
03:45:16,640 --> 03:45:20,200
Speaker 1: Suffragette flag put up by one of the turfs. And

3531
03:45:20,400 --> 03:45:24,400
Speaker 1: a side note, in some much less viral footage, we

3532
03:45:24,520 --> 03:45:27,360
Speaker 1: can see turfs trying to rip Pride flags out of

3533
03:45:27,400 --> 03:45:31,439
Speaker 1: the hands of people who are counter protesting. So conservative

3534
03:45:31,520 --> 03:45:35,720
Speaker 1: coverage of the protest painted a pearl clutching picture of

3535
03:45:36,240 --> 03:45:40,600
Speaker 1: scary trans people assaulting women. A few days after the

3536
03:45:40,680 --> 03:45:44,800
Speaker 1: press conference, Julie Jaman herself made an appearance on Tucker

3537
03:45:44,879 --> 03:45:48,720
Speaker 1: Carlson tonight. Julie Jaman is one of them. She's eighty

3538
03:45:48,760 --> 03:45:51,680
Speaker 1: years old. She's now been banned from stepping inside a

3539
03:45:52,080 --> 03:45:55,080
Speaker 1: y m c A y because she dared to object

3540
03:45:55,160 --> 03:45:58,160
Speaker 1: when a male employee was assigned to watch little girls

3541
03:45:58,240 --> 03:46:00,600
Speaker 1: remove their bathing suits in the back room in a

3542
03:46:00,640 --> 03:46:03,560
Speaker 1: women's locker room. So this week a few dozen people

3543
03:46:03,680 --> 03:46:05,840
Speaker 1: joined Jaman to protest the y m c A. Some

3544
03:46:05,920 --> 03:46:09,600
Speaker 1: of the protesters, including her, were assaulted by lunatics men

3545
03:46:09,840 --> 03:46:12,440
Speaker 1: dressed as women. Here's some of the footage from that.

3546
03:46:12,600 --> 03:46:16,280
Speaker 1: On Monday, you may have read some version of my

3547
03:46:16,480 --> 03:46:20,279
Speaker 1: personal experience a naked old lady in the women's shower

3548
03:46:20,400 --> 03:46:36,600
Speaker 1: room and what I saw that day the police. You

3549
03:46:36,720 --> 03:46:49,199
Speaker 1: can see women screaming at her. Julie Jaman is the woman,

3550
03:46:49,320 --> 03:46:52,360
Speaker 1: the brave woman. Just on the video she joins us sight. Julie,

3551
03:46:52,400 --> 03:46:54,600
Speaker 1: thanks so much. We're grateful that you are joining us.

3552
03:46:55,080 --> 03:46:58,320
Speaker 1: Why at this stage in your life are you taking

3553
03:46:58,360 --> 03:47:01,640
Speaker 1: it upon yourself to speak up against this in the

3554
03:47:01,720 --> 03:47:06,680
Speaker 1: face of what we just saw. I was in the

3555
03:47:06,800 --> 03:47:10,280
Speaker 1: shower and I saw that man in that women's suit,

3556
03:47:10,480 --> 03:47:13,400
Speaker 1: and I saw him watching little girls. You can't not

3557
03:47:13,760 --> 03:47:16,640
Speaker 1: act when you see that going on. You must do something,

3558
03:47:18,200 --> 03:47:20,879
Speaker 1: So I and and bless you for doing that. That's

3559
03:47:20,920 --> 03:47:23,640
Speaker 1: exactly right. Your your moral sense is just is clear.

3560
03:47:24,400 --> 03:47:26,160
Speaker 1: I have no idea what your background is, but you

3561
03:47:26,240 --> 03:47:27,800
Speaker 1: have a very clear sense of right and wrong, and

3562
03:47:27,800 --> 03:47:30,400
Speaker 1: I wish more people had it. So you tried to

3563
03:47:30,600 --> 03:47:33,039
Speaker 1: explain that in the video we just played, and rather

3564
03:47:33,120 --> 03:47:35,320
Speaker 1: than listen to you, people screamed at you and then

3565
03:47:35,360 --> 03:47:38,640
Speaker 1: appeared to come at you. Have you noticed there's no

3566
03:47:38,760 --> 03:47:45,120
Speaker 1: conversation about this. There was. It was a mob of

3567
03:47:45,280 --> 03:47:50,560
Speaker 1: hundreds of people that came streaming into this permitted gathering,

3568
03:47:51,400 --> 03:47:54,040
Speaker 1: and they kettled us. I think that's what you'd call it.

3569
03:47:54,480 --> 03:47:58,959
Speaker 1: They pushed shoved, They knocked women to the ground. These

3570
03:47:59,120 --> 03:48:02,199
Speaker 1: are the men in the supporters of men that apparently

3571
03:48:02,280 --> 03:48:04,640
Speaker 1: the y m c A and the city want to

3572
03:48:04,760 --> 03:48:09,240
Speaker 1: allow into the women's dressing and shower area. I object.

3573
03:48:10,720 --> 03:48:14,000
Speaker 1: And you, at the age of eighty, were banned by

3574
03:48:14,080 --> 03:48:15,920
Speaker 1: the y m c A. It's hard to even believe

3575
03:48:15,920 --> 03:48:18,200
Speaker 1: this is real because you were taking a shower and

3576
03:48:18,280 --> 03:48:20,000
Speaker 1: there was a man in there and they banned you,

3577
03:48:20,160 --> 03:48:22,120
Speaker 1: not him. What could tell us if that's true? A

3578
03:48:22,280 --> 03:48:27,720
Speaker 1: and B. What y m c A. Is this? Yes,

3579
03:48:27,879 --> 03:48:31,080
Speaker 1: that's correct. I told that guy to get out of

3580
03:48:31,160 --> 03:48:34,360
Speaker 1: the shower, and then a staff member came around the

3581
03:48:34,440 --> 03:48:36,720
Speaker 1: corner and I said to her, get him out of here,

3582
03:48:37,120 --> 03:48:40,720
Speaker 1: and she said, that's discrimination. You're out of here for life.

3583
03:48:40,879 --> 03:48:44,720
Speaker 1: And I'm calling the cops. Can you tell us what? Why?

3584
03:48:44,840 --> 03:48:50,359
Speaker 1: M c Where did this happen. This happens in Port Townsend,

3585
03:48:50,720 --> 03:48:55,600
Speaker 1: that's on the Olympic Peninsula in Washington State. It's just

3586
03:48:56,000 --> 03:48:59,000
Speaker 1: it's I hope they are punished for the way that

3587
03:48:59,080 --> 03:49:03,160
Speaker 1: they treated you, and I appreciate your bravery and forthrightness.

3588
03:49:05,080 --> 03:49:08,240
Speaker 1: I do too. We did try and get the police

3589
03:49:08,320 --> 03:49:11,040
Speaker 1: to come help us. They were standing across the streets

3590
03:49:11,720 --> 03:49:16,000
Speaker 1: and they were told by a directive to stand down.

3591
03:49:16,560 --> 03:49:19,840
Speaker 1: They did not come to help us. I hope they

3592
03:49:19,920 --> 03:49:22,760
Speaker 1: wrought Juli Jaman, thank you for all you've done. I

3593
03:49:22,800 --> 03:49:25,720
Speaker 1: appreciate it. Good to see you tonight. Throughout all the

3594
03:49:25,840 --> 03:49:30,520
Speaker 1: media spectacle, I feel like the actual original victim of

3595
03:49:30,600 --> 03:49:34,640
Speaker 1: this harassment has kind of been forgotten, despite them being

3596
03:49:34,760 --> 03:49:39,560
Speaker 1: the current face of the transgender menace. In my conversation

3597
03:49:39,640 --> 03:49:42,320
Speaker 1: with Clementine, we talked about what it's like to be

3598
03:49:42,440 --> 03:49:46,560
Speaker 1: turned into this sort of outrage symbol, Like I've I

3599
03:49:46,840 --> 03:49:52,160
Speaker 1: watched the three hours of public testimony UM a few

3600
03:49:52,240 --> 03:49:56,840
Speaker 1: nights ago, which was I was, I was on so

3601
03:49:57,000 --> 03:50:02,840
Speaker 1: much caffeine. UM, it's the only way is that the

3602
03:50:02,960 --> 03:50:05,560
Speaker 1: meeting that happened right after the incident or the Monday

3603
03:50:05,640 --> 03:50:09,920
Speaker 1: meeting from both. I did both in one day. Yeah,

3604
03:50:10,440 --> 03:50:17,760
Speaker 1: it was Yeah. And one of the more shocking things

3605
03:50:17,960 --> 03:50:22,880
Speaker 1: was just how how how miss one how mischaracterized the

3606
03:50:22,920 --> 03:50:26,960
Speaker 1: incident was and to just like how much blatant miss

3607
03:50:27,040 --> 03:50:31,280
Speaker 1: gendering there was, and like talking about you not as

3608
03:50:31,400 --> 03:50:34,920
Speaker 1: like an actual person, but as almost this like evil

3609
03:50:35,160 --> 03:50:40,440
Speaker 1: archetype in people's minds, Like it's so dehumanizing in a

3610
03:50:40,720 --> 03:50:44,440
Speaker 1: really bad way um let alone all of like the

3611
03:50:44,600 --> 03:50:47,360
Speaker 1: like miss gendering stuff like it's it was. It was

3612
03:50:47,440 --> 03:50:52,720
Speaker 1: wild watching this person after person completely mindlessly create this

3613
03:50:52,960 --> 03:50:57,120
Speaker 1: villain in their own heads um and then just attached

3614
03:50:57,200 --> 03:51:00,080
Speaker 1: it onto an actual human being who's like, you, like,

3615
03:51:00,760 --> 03:51:03,880
Speaker 1: your privacy has actually been violated. Like you're like like

3616
03:51:04,000 --> 03:51:07,480
Speaker 1: you're like like private information, your pictures, names is going

3617
03:51:07,520 --> 03:51:13,400
Speaker 1: all over these like like neo fascist news sites, and

3618
03:51:13,560 --> 03:51:17,000
Speaker 1: like if something you know, people are framing this is

3619
03:51:17,080 --> 03:51:21,560
Speaker 1: like you know, safety and privacy, Like if you want

3620
03:51:21,560 --> 03:51:25,160
Speaker 1: to look at what's actually going on, it's so different.

3621
03:51:25,160 --> 03:51:27,320
Speaker 1: And there's such a disconnect between watching all of that

3622
03:51:27,440 --> 03:51:30,720
Speaker 1: public testimony and looking at all of you know, the

3623
03:51:31,640 --> 03:51:34,320
Speaker 1: the right wing press of this incident, and I don't know,

3624
03:51:34,480 --> 03:51:39,360
Speaker 1: it's it's very depressive framing. It's really clear and disappointing

3625
03:51:39,400 --> 03:51:43,080
Speaker 1: when you're the subject of it because I know what

3626
03:51:43,280 --> 03:51:48,160
Speaker 1: happened in that space, and you know, there were people

3627
03:51:48,200 --> 03:51:53,040
Speaker 1: to witness what happened, and we worked to get our

3628
03:51:53,120 --> 03:51:56,920
Speaker 1: reports out quickly, but it just didn't you know, it

3629
03:51:57,000 --> 03:52:00,680
Speaker 1: didn't matter because of how dedicated this woman was to

3630
03:52:02,120 --> 03:52:06,800
Speaker 1: getting her side or whatever. I mean. In reality, it

3631
03:52:07,160 --> 03:52:13,040
Speaker 1: just feels like she was dedicated to hurting. Um. I

3632
03:52:13,120 --> 03:52:17,240
Speaker 1: don't know what her motivation was, but it's the blatantly

3633
03:52:17,360 --> 03:52:23,520
Speaker 1: false side of the story that really hurts because accusations

3634
03:52:23,640 --> 03:52:27,000
Speaker 1: that I was standing there watching I think they go

3635
03:52:27,160 --> 03:52:32,480
Speaker 1: anywhere from like two to five kids. It's their number. Um.

3636
03:52:32,920 --> 03:52:35,080
Speaker 1: I was watching the Tucker Carlson and I think I

3637
03:52:35,160 --> 03:52:41,120
Speaker 1: saw that number five watching five kids undress, um, when

3638
03:52:41,200 --> 03:52:44,280
Speaker 1: that's just not what happened. I was standing there with

3639
03:52:44,360 --> 03:52:50,000
Speaker 1: one kid who was fully clothed, chatting while we waited

3640
03:52:50,040 --> 03:52:52,200
Speaker 1: for another kid to come out of the bathroom. And

3641
03:52:53,560 --> 03:52:58,800
Speaker 1: it's just wrong. It's misinformation, and it's not about you know,

3642
03:52:58,960 --> 03:53:03,240
Speaker 1: it's not even a about um pushing an agenda. It's

3643
03:53:03,400 --> 03:53:08,800
Speaker 1: it's about people's livelihood. And it's really damaging to have

3644
03:53:09,280 --> 03:53:14,200
Speaker 1: my privacy violated like that, you know, Um, straight up,

3645
03:53:14,560 --> 03:53:17,200
Speaker 1: that's what it is. It almost feels like you're just

3646
03:53:17,360 --> 03:53:24,040
Speaker 1: like this sacrificial archetype that. Yeah, it's like they're not

3647
03:53:24,160 --> 03:53:27,440
Speaker 1: even but they're not even like interested in you as

3648
03:53:27,520 --> 03:53:30,520
Speaker 1: a person. Really, they're interested in you on this this

3649
03:53:30,800 --> 03:53:35,120
Speaker 1: this this this like idea, and to project you onto

3650
03:53:35,200 --> 03:53:38,120
Speaker 1: this whole other idea, which is so fucked up because

3651
03:53:38,720 --> 03:53:41,560
Speaker 1: you're an actual person, Like yeah, well, and and you

3652
03:53:41,680 --> 03:53:44,880
Speaker 1: can see in the comments and stuff on some of

3653
03:53:44,960 --> 03:53:47,960
Speaker 1: these that it's pretty you know, I won't try to

3654
03:53:48,120 --> 03:53:52,160
Speaker 1: dig into like the ugly, the ugly and the bad

3655
03:53:52,280 --> 03:53:57,080
Speaker 1: of Twitter, but like I've seen people say that I'm

3656
03:53:57,160 --> 03:54:01,160
Speaker 1: like a fully bearded man, or like I'll be paralleled

3657
03:54:01,200 --> 03:54:04,560
Speaker 1: as a lumberjack, and it's like I mean, and not

3658
03:54:04,840 --> 03:54:08,960
Speaker 1: that you know, your appearances matter, It's it's about how

3659
03:54:09,040 --> 03:54:12,560
Speaker 1: you feel. But it's kind of, you know, interesting to

3660
03:54:12,640 --> 03:54:16,200
Speaker 1: see how I'm I'm painted in such a weird and

3661
03:54:16,400 --> 03:54:19,760
Speaker 1: twisted light. Despite going viral in the right wing and

3662
03:54:20,000 --> 03:54:23,600
Speaker 1: turf news sphere, local sentiment in the port towns in

3663
03:54:23,640 --> 03:54:27,440
Speaker 1: the area has been widely in supportive trans rights and

3664
03:54:27,840 --> 03:54:30,920
Speaker 1: not very pleased that their town has been upended for

3665
03:54:31,080 --> 03:54:35,480
Speaker 1: over a month due to one woman's personal prejudice and discomfort.

3666
03:54:35,960 --> 03:54:39,400
Speaker 1: I've lived for twenty four and a half years, and

3667
03:54:39,840 --> 03:54:42,600
Speaker 1: in talking to people over the last couple of weeks,

3668
03:54:42,720 --> 03:54:46,960
Speaker 1: I would say nearly universally, the local sentiment is why

3669
03:54:47,080 --> 03:54:50,720
Speaker 1: is this such a big deal? Like this basically somebody

3670
03:54:51,040 --> 03:54:53,520
Speaker 1: got startled in a locker room, made kind of a

3671
03:54:53,600 --> 03:54:58,280
Speaker 1: jerk of herself, and is now trying to blow this

3672
03:54:58,400 --> 03:55:01,880
Speaker 1: into some kind of international incident, and you know, here's

3673
03:55:01,920 --> 03:55:04,520
Speaker 1: this little tiny town at the edge of the continent,

3674
03:55:05,320 --> 03:55:09,120
Speaker 1: and we're like, why, why, why is this the most

3675
03:55:09,200 --> 03:55:13,280
Speaker 1: important thing? You know? Why did you know dozens of

3676
03:55:13,320 --> 03:55:15,800
Speaker 1: families not have child care for ten days? Why did

3677
03:55:16,280 --> 03:55:18,880
Speaker 1: you know the y m c A employees have to

3678
03:55:19,080 --> 03:55:21,840
Speaker 1: not get paid? Why? Why did you know? The the

3679
03:55:22,320 --> 03:55:27,160
Speaker 1: impact of this has been so outsized relative to the

3680
03:55:28,480 --> 03:55:33,960
Speaker 1: actually what actually happened. The person who started the initial

3681
03:55:34,080 --> 03:55:37,880
Speaker 1: incident with the trans employee. It's it's kind of funny

3682
03:55:37,880 --> 03:55:41,360
Speaker 1: in a way that yes, she's gotten out her message

3683
03:55:41,480 --> 03:55:44,520
Speaker 1: to the whole community, but it's spread as a result

3684
03:55:44,680 --> 03:55:49,640
Speaker 1: of the organizing against her and against the group of

3685
03:55:49,760 --> 03:55:53,120
Speaker 1: people that she's bringing into the area. And it's gotten

3686
03:55:53,160 --> 03:55:56,920
Speaker 1: to a point where just random community members that we

3687
03:55:57,000 --> 03:56:00,080
Speaker 1: don't have any direct connection to our recognizing her and

3688
03:56:00,280 --> 03:56:05,280
Speaker 1: knowing why she's a known person, and are just kicking

3689
03:56:05,360 --> 03:56:09,160
Speaker 1: her out of their businesses on site. It's like the

3690
03:56:09,560 --> 03:56:15,320
Speaker 1: the backlash against that incident is really spreading really well,

3691
03:56:15,640 --> 03:56:21,160
Speaker 1: and we're getting this really good organic network building throughout

3692
03:56:21,200 --> 03:56:26,280
Speaker 1: the community. Earlier in August, before the big press conference thing,

3693
03:56:27,040 --> 03:56:31,480
Speaker 1: various BIPOC and queer collectives and affinity groups started networking,

3694
03:56:31,960 --> 03:56:35,120
Speaker 1: and a solidarity meeting was set up to figure out

3695
03:56:35,440 --> 03:56:37,360
Speaker 1: how to take care of each other as the far

3696
03:56:37,520 --> 03:56:41,960
Speaker 1: right's spotlight on the town grows. Myself and one another

3697
03:56:42,200 --> 03:56:45,320
Speaker 1: person went and maybe a couple of others who I

3698
03:56:45,400 --> 03:56:47,120
Speaker 1: didn't know, but the two of us were the main

3699
03:56:47,240 --> 03:56:51,680
Speaker 1: ones who are more directly involved with the queer community

3700
03:56:51,760 --> 03:56:57,440
Speaker 1: side of responding to what was going on, and it

3701
03:56:57,600 --> 03:57:00,400
Speaker 1: was really great, like they just like, we want to

3702
03:57:00,440 --> 03:57:03,560
Speaker 1: support you, We want to, you know, help take care

3703
03:57:03,640 --> 03:57:06,440
Speaker 1: of you. What can we do? And then for the

3704
03:57:06,520 --> 03:57:09,760
Speaker 1: action on the fifteenth, when we were talking about you know,

3705
03:57:09,800 --> 03:57:12,320
Speaker 1: like here's here's the kind of response that we're wanting

3706
03:57:12,360 --> 03:57:16,680
Speaker 1: from the whole community, but here's some of these background needs.

3707
03:57:16,720 --> 03:57:19,360
Speaker 1: Because none of them were experienced enough with protesting to

3708
03:57:19,440 --> 03:57:22,720
Speaker 1: feel comfortable going out on the front lines and doing stuff,

3709
03:57:23,760 --> 03:57:27,440
Speaker 1: they went about a quarter mile away and set up

3710
03:57:27,560 --> 03:57:32,640
Speaker 1: a community picnic. And I don't think people took nearly

3711
03:57:32,720 --> 03:57:35,760
Speaker 1: enough advantage of it because the planning happened so last minute,

3712
03:57:35,880 --> 03:57:39,760
Speaker 1: but they did a great job of setting up in

3713
03:57:39,840 --> 03:57:45,120
Speaker 1: solidarity and in solidarity and in support and we're really

3714
03:57:45,200 --> 03:57:48,400
Speaker 1: looking forward to working with them more. We spent the

3715
03:57:48,520 --> 03:57:54,680
Speaker 1: last few years running small group basic medical classes UM

3716
03:57:55,040 --> 03:58:00,880
Speaker 1: and UH workshops and really making innections like within our

3717
03:58:00,920 --> 03:58:05,080
Speaker 1: community and having this come about and having everyone come

3718
03:58:05,120 --> 03:58:07,480
Speaker 1: out to one place and see each other and going, oh,

3719
03:58:07,640 --> 03:58:10,760
Speaker 1: we know you and I know you UM and from

3720
03:58:10,800 --> 03:58:15,520
Speaker 1: different communities coming together. We've really been able to enable

3721
03:58:16,240 --> 03:58:19,320
Speaker 1: those folks to come together to start building more of

3722
03:58:19,360 --> 03:58:23,560
Speaker 1: a unified front. I want to reiterate that with all

3723
03:58:23,600 --> 03:58:27,000
Speaker 1: the media spectacle, it's important to not lose sight of

3724
03:58:27,080 --> 03:58:30,400
Speaker 1: the original target of all of this hate and transphobia.

3725
03:58:31,200 --> 03:58:34,960
Speaker 1: The physical and mental effect of such a massive wave

3726
03:58:35,160 --> 03:58:40,320
Speaker 1: of bigoted harassment and boxing can take a substantial toll.

3727
03:58:40,760 --> 03:58:43,720
Speaker 1: I had to stop going into work at a certain

3728
03:58:43,760 --> 03:58:48,640
Speaker 1: point because I couldn't do it. I woke up in

3729
03:58:48,720 --> 03:58:51,440
Speaker 1: the morning and I looked in the mirror and and

3730
03:58:51,720 --> 03:58:55,240
Speaker 1: I just broke down because it was too much to

3731
03:58:55,400 --> 03:58:58,840
Speaker 1: keep going into keep trying to bring that bright energy

3732
03:58:59,760 --> 03:59:06,360
Speaker 1: uh uh to work UM and a lot of doubt. UH.

3733
03:59:07,040 --> 03:59:10,800
Speaker 1: That's what I've been experiencing is a lot of you

3734
03:59:10,880 --> 03:59:13,640
Speaker 1: see so many people trying to divulge your character in

3735
03:59:13,720 --> 03:59:19,120
Speaker 1: a negative way, and it's you know, it's toxic, and

3736
03:59:19,960 --> 03:59:24,320
Speaker 1: it can kind of seep through and make your life toxic.

3737
03:59:24,480 --> 03:59:28,080
Speaker 1: And that's why I just had to stop looking because

3738
03:59:28,360 --> 03:59:34,080
Speaker 1: it hurt too much and it's putting me in this limbo.

3739
03:59:34,640 --> 03:59:37,360
Speaker 1: I don't feel like I've gotten a break for a month.

3740
03:59:37,480 --> 03:59:43,880
Speaker 1: I feel like I've just been tired and like rust,

3741
03:59:44,560 --> 03:59:48,360
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm purgatory. You know, has there been

3742
03:59:48,360 --> 03:59:50,440
Speaker 1: any kind of like support on the community level that

3743
03:59:50,560 --> 03:59:54,600
Speaker 1: has been helpful? Yeah? Yeah, Um, I've been I've been

3744
03:59:55,320 --> 04:00:01,080
Speaker 1: definitely grateful and um blessed to have the community response

3745
04:00:01,200 --> 04:00:05,880
Speaker 1: be really astounding and supportive. Yeah. I've been given the

3746
04:00:05,960 --> 04:00:09,560
Speaker 1: opportunity to be so much more connected with my local

3747
04:00:09,640 --> 04:00:14,280
Speaker 1: queer community as well as my local community period. Um,

3748
04:00:15,080 --> 04:00:19,800
Speaker 1: there were a lot of supportive voices. Uh that made

3749
04:00:19,840 --> 04:00:22,600
Speaker 1: it a little bit easier to ignore the darker side

3750
04:00:22,640 --> 04:00:27,760
Speaker 1: of this um and elephant in the room. Uh. The

3751
04:00:27,880 --> 04:00:31,200
Speaker 1: go fund me. I don't know how I would feel

3752
04:00:31,560 --> 04:00:36,160
Speaker 1: if there wasn't, you know, something rigid and like a

3753
04:00:36,280 --> 04:00:38,680
Speaker 1: rock to lean on, like to go fund me, to

3754
04:00:38,800 --> 04:00:41,160
Speaker 1: be able to have something hopeful to look forward to

3755
04:00:41,400 --> 04:00:46,360
Speaker 1: and think that I can you know, be me and

3756
04:00:46,560 --> 04:00:52,080
Speaker 1: that I can afford being me. Uh, I don't know

3757
04:00:52,520 --> 04:00:56,160
Speaker 1: how I would navigate the storm without something like that

3758
04:00:56,320 --> 04:01:03,840
Speaker 1: in the distance. It's been overwhelming and I've just been

3759
04:01:03,960 --> 04:01:06,520
Speaker 1: waiting for it to end, and it looks like it's

3760
04:01:06,600 --> 04:01:13,200
Speaker 1: finally slowing down. But um, the support makes it easier.

3761
04:01:13,680 --> 04:01:18,040
Speaker 1: And the support is a kind of attention that really

3762
04:01:18,120 --> 04:01:25,440
Speaker 1: helps right now, because it's strikingly easy to feel bad, ah,

3763
04:01:26,240 --> 04:01:31,160
Speaker 1: to feel just associated when when your life is kind

3764
04:01:31,200 --> 04:01:35,000
Speaker 1: of thrust into a different lens and what felt like

3765
04:01:35,440 --> 04:01:39,280
Speaker 1: a day, what kind of was just a day or

3766
04:01:39,320 --> 04:01:42,960
Speaker 1: a week. This month has felt like longer than my

3767
04:01:43,160 --> 04:01:47,400
Speaker 1: entire summer break. The situation in Port Townsend is not

3768
04:01:47,640 --> 04:01:50,760
Speaker 1: over yet. In a bit, we'll talk about the upcoming

3769
04:01:50,840 --> 04:01:54,680
Speaker 1: anti trans rally on September three. And there is this

3770
04:01:55,080 --> 04:01:58,400
Speaker 1: kind of absurd irony that's not uncommon when digging into

3771
04:01:58,440 --> 04:02:01,960
Speaker 1: these types of issues, at the types of talking points

3772
04:02:02,120 --> 04:02:07,240
Speaker 1: common among reactionaries, and all the complaints around violations of

3773
04:02:07,280 --> 04:02:11,880
Speaker 1: privacy just end up actually being enacted by the people

3774
04:02:12,040 --> 04:02:15,000
Speaker 1: who push these moral panics and so things that just

3775
04:02:15,080 --> 04:02:18,200
Speaker 1: continue to kind of escalate and escalate my understanding, And

3776
04:02:18,280 --> 04:02:21,120
Speaker 1: I wasn't there for this. Is that yesterday which was

3777
04:02:23,360 --> 04:02:25,640
Speaker 1: Amy Susan, I'm not sure if Julie Jaman was there,

3778
04:02:25,800 --> 04:02:28,080
Speaker 1: not because of course juli Jaman has been banned from

3779
04:02:28,120 --> 04:02:31,240
Speaker 1: the pool. UM showed up at the pool with a

3780
04:02:31,360 --> 04:02:34,080
Speaker 1: film crew and was trying to push their way into

3781
04:02:34,120 --> 04:02:36,760
Speaker 1: the locker room when patrons were there using the locker room,

3782
04:02:37,080 --> 04:02:39,360
Speaker 1: trying to film inside the locker room and got asked

3783
04:02:39,400 --> 04:02:43,200
Speaker 1: to leave. UM. So it's it's still continuing to escalate.

3784
04:02:44,240 --> 04:02:46,440
Speaker 1: One of the things that I've been noticing a lot,

3785
04:02:46,520 --> 04:02:49,600
Speaker 1: and it's something that for those of us who are

3786
04:02:49,640 --> 04:02:53,000
Speaker 1: more involved, this is kind of a you don't say moment,

3787
04:02:53,160 --> 04:03:00,360
Speaker 1: and it's the people who are coming in and making

3788
04:03:00,440 --> 04:03:05,600
Speaker 1: accusations and making attacks against the community are very much

3789
04:03:06,320 --> 04:03:10,480
Speaker 1: doing the exact thing that they're making accusations of. Uh.

3790
04:03:11,600 --> 04:03:13,880
Speaker 1: There was an issue the other day of the people

3791
04:03:13,920 --> 04:03:19,200
Speaker 1: who planned and hosted the protest at the council meeting

3792
04:03:20,160 --> 04:03:23,280
Speaker 1: going into the y with a camera crew and demanding

3793
04:03:23,320 --> 04:03:26,720
Speaker 1: to film the locker rooms while people were using them. UM.

3794
04:03:27,240 --> 04:03:31,320
Speaker 1: There's lots of accusations that have been thrown that we

3795
04:03:31,640 --> 04:03:35,680
Speaker 1: bust in people from Portland, and in reality, the main

3796
04:03:35,720 --> 04:03:38,320
Speaker 1: aggressors who were there on the fift in their group

3797
04:03:38,440 --> 04:03:41,760
Speaker 1: did come from Vancouver area. Or we're flown in from

3798
04:03:41,800 --> 04:03:44,800
Speaker 1: Texas or we're flown in from Texas. Yeah, Like, this

3799
04:03:45,120 --> 04:03:48,520
Speaker 1: was three hundred people who live within twenty minutes of

3800
04:03:48,600 --> 04:03:54,200
Speaker 1: Court towns and showed up because they care, and they

3801
04:03:54,280 --> 04:03:57,360
Speaker 1: had to fly people from as far as Pennsylvania to

3802
04:03:57,640 --> 04:04:01,920
Speaker 1: post an hour long press conference with twenty people. And

3803
04:04:02,080 --> 04:04:05,840
Speaker 1: so we're seeing that a lot recurring. The person organizing

3804
04:04:05,880 --> 04:04:10,080
Speaker 1: this upcoming action is also lives in Vancouver area and

3805
04:04:10,480 --> 04:04:13,440
Speaker 1: is inviting people from all over to come up and

3806
04:04:14,560 --> 04:04:19,880
Speaker 1: start fights here and try to get video of confrontations going.

3807
04:04:20,920 --> 04:04:24,360
Speaker 1: And everybody up here wants to just be left alone

3808
04:04:24,400 --> 04:04:27,880
Speaker 1: and live in peace, but they also want to show up,

3809
04:04:28,840 --> 04:04:32,160
Speaker 1: and they're kind of getting an opportunity to show up

3810
04:04:32,560 --> 04:04:34,960
Speaker 1: in the most low effort way. It's it's in your

3811
04:04:35,000 --> 04:04:37,240
Speaker 1: own town, you might as well show up. I remember

3812
04:04:37,360 --> 04:04:40,520
Speaker 1: a few weeks ago there was this headline from a

3813
04:04:40,720 --> 04:04:44,200
Speaker 1: federalist think piece that when a bit viral for being

3814
04:04:44,320 --> 04:04:51,000
Speaker 1: a big yike's almost mirroring the fascist framing of blood libel.

3815
04:04:51,640 --> 04:04:55,800
Speaker 1: If you replace quote the transgenders with quote the Jews,

3816
04:04:56,760 --> 04:05:00,400
Speaker 1: you'll see what I mean. The headline reads, quote the

3817
04:05:00,520 --> 04:05:06,080
Speaker 1: transgender movement is not just intolerant, it's barbaric and violent

3818
04:05:06,560 --> 04:05:12,520
Speaker 1: and it's coming for your children unquote, almost exclusively. Its

3819
04:05:12,720 --> 04:05:16,680
Speaker 1: sources are Twitter accounts like libs of TikTok and a

3820
04:05:16,760 --> 04:05:20,000
Speaker 1: few random turfs. And this is what we mean when

3821
04:05:20,040 --> 04:05:23,160
Speaker 1: we talk about how things that seem like they should

3822
04:05:23,240 --> 04:05:28,760
Speaker 1: just be insignificant Twitter bullshit actually do affect the world

3823
04:05:29,080 --> 04:05:33,400
Speaker 1: off of social media. This is how entire conversations on

3824
04:05:33,520 --> 04:05:37,400
Speaker 1: the validity of people's existence get formed and directed. Now,

3825
04:05:38,600 --> 04:05:41,320
Speaker 1: the last section of the Federalist story is about the

3826
04:05:41,440 --> 04:05:45,120
Speaker 1: Boston Children's Hospital, and if you listened to yesterday's episode

3827
04:05:45,160 --> 04:05:47,320
Speaker 1: of It could happen here, you can guess the kind

3828
04:05:47,360 --> 04:05:52,160
Speaker 1: of disinformation the article pedals, and many readers, many of

3829
04:05:52,240 --> 04:05:55,880
Speaker 1: whom are not on Twitter, will take whatever it says

3830
04:05:55,920 --> 04:05:59,160
Speaker 1: at face value. Same thing for Libs of TikTok stuff

3831
04:05:59,320 --> 04:06:03,400
Speaker 1: being boosted on Fox News. The majority of the Federalist

3832
04:06:03,560 --> 04:06:07,680
Speaker 1: think piece, though, is about Port Townsend and everything stemming

3833
04:06:07,760 --> 04:06:10,840
Speaker 1: out of the y m c A incident, and the

3834
04:06:10,880 --> 04:06:15,320
Speaker 1: whole article is as terrifying and fascistic as its headline.

3835
04:06:16,080 --> 04:06:20,200
Speaker 1: I remember seeing the Federalist article headline and just being like, Oh,

3836
04:06:20,320 --> 04:06:22,920
Speaker 1: here's another another piece doing the same thing, and I

3837
04:06:22,960 --> 04:06:27,040
Speaker 1: didn't realize it was about like this specific incident until

3838
04:06:27,480 --> 04:06:31,000
Speaker 1: much later and now. Yeah, it's the kind of it

3839
04:06:31,080 --> 04:06:33,480
Speaker 1: kind of does play into the idea that like, we

3840
04:06:33,600 --> 04:06:35,640
Speaker 1: know these things happen, you just don't expect them to

3841
04:06:35,720 --> 04:06:39,040
Speaker 1: happen like right where you are, until it's until it's

3842
04:06:39,080 --> 04:06:43,440
Speaker 1: until it's going on. Yeah, I've spent years screaming at

3843
04:06:43,440 --> 04:06:46,960
Speaker 1: a wall telling people that this is coming, and AH

3844
04:06:48,000 --> 04:06:51,080
Speaker 1: really hope that all of my preparation had been for

3845
04:06:51,240 --> 04:06:54,800
Speaker 1: nothing and it's happening in my hometown now and getting

3846
04:06:54,880 --> 04:06:58,080
Speaker 1: national media attention everything from you know, Ben Shapiro to

3847
04:06:58,160 --> 04:07:02,960
Speaker 1: Info Wars to interviews on Tucker Facting the Trump presidency,

3848
04:07:03,160 --> 04:07:08,640
Speaker 1: we were pretty much just gun nerds and UH had

3849
04:07:08,760 --> 04:07:13,760
Speaker 1: started a small little UH gun club and we're inviting

3850
04:07:13,800 --> 04:07:16,800
Speaker 1: our friends and our our local queer community up to

3851
04:07:17,200 --> 04:07:22,160
Speaker 1: to learn about that. And it went really quickly from

3852
04:07:22,200 --> 04:07:24,960
Speaker 1: that to people having more of an interest in the

3853
04:07:25,400 --> 04:07:31,240
Speaker 1: medical suffering teaching specifically UH stopped the Bleed and UH

3854
04:07:32,040 --> 04:07:35,560
Speaker 1: so after the Trump presidency was over, UM a lot

3855
04:07:35,600 --> 04:07:38,080
Speaker 1: of people dropped off and just the majority of the

3856
04:07:38,120 --> 04:07:40,960
Speaker 1: people that stuck around happened to be trans UM. But

3857
04:07:41,120 --> 04:07:45,680
Speaker 1: we continued offering these classes. We were hosting ones out

3858
04:07:45,720 --> 04:07:49,720
Speaker 1: here about the escalation, about stop the bleed, We're hosting

3859
04:07:50,280 --> 04:07:55,160
Speaker 1: the os on stuff. UM. I think with UM they're

3860
04:07:55,240 --> 04:07:59,360
Speaker 1: being such limited options for direct actions in the area,

3861
04:07:59,400 --> 04:08:02,800
Speaker 1: a lot of people were kind of naturally tending towards

3862
04:08:03,360 --> 04:08:06,400
Speaker 1: how can we better support our friends who live in

3863
04:08:06,440 --> 04:08:09,400
Speaker 1: areas that are doing direct actions, And we started getting

3864
04:08:09,400 --> 04:08:12,640
Speaker 1: a lot more interest in those kinds of support roles

3865
04:08:12,680 --> 04:08:17,200
Speaker 1: than medical training to de escalation, even things like emergency

3866
04:08:17,280 --> 04:08:24,160
Speaker 1: preparedness and food security. UM yeah UM. But because of that,

3867
04:08:24,440 --> 04:08:27,360
Speaker 1: we've just spent the last few years running these just

3868
04:08:27,560 --> 04:08:32,880
Speaker 1: a small group like wonderful people UM basically workshops on

3869
04:08:33,000 --> 04:08:37,320
Speaker 1: all these different subjects and built somewhat of a connection

3870
04:08:37,400 --> 04:08:40,360
Speaker 1: with the community, a bit of respect. So when this happened,

3871
04:08:40,480 --> 04:08:42,920
Speaker 1: we actually had that to draw on and we could

3872
04:08:42,960 --> 04:08:48,360
Speaker 1: really help enable people to organize themselves and create some

3873
04:08:48,520 --> 04:08:51,520
Speaker 1: form of unity. So it's not small groups of people

3874
04:08:51,600 --> 04:08:54,520
Speaker 1: coming in without a plan, but a large group of

3875
04:08:54,560 --> 04:08:57,680
Speaker 1: people showing up all at once. UM that we're not

3876
04:08:57,800 --> 04:09:00,480
Speaker 1: directly involved in any sort of lead a ship of

3877
04:09:00,680 --> 04:09:05,640
Speaker 1: it's just naturally organically happened, UM. But have really spent

3878
04:09:05,760 --> 04:09:08,760
Speaker 1: the last few years just feeling like Kok screaming at

3879
04:09:08,760 --> 04:09:14,200
Speaker 1: a wall. Um until this happened in our small town

3880
04:09:14,520 --> 04:09:20,920
Speaker 1: and completely unexpectedly, and now we're actually somewhat useful. Before

3881
04:09:21,040 --> 04:09:23,120
Speaker 1: we close out, we do need to talk about the

3882
04:09:23,280 --> 04:09:27,920
Speaker 1: upcoming anti trans rally planned for the afternoon of Saturday,

3883
04:09:28,080 --> 04:09:34,040
Speaker 1: September three at Pope Marine Park. Organizers are explicitly tied

3884
04:09:34,120 --> 04:09:37,160
Speaker 1: to the Proud Boys, and this rally is one of

3885
04:09:37,200 --> 04:09:41,600
Speaker 1: the most clear examples of how Turf's self described feminists

3886
04:09:42,080 --> 04:09:46,720
Speaker 1: or people just looking out for biological women's rights are

3887
04:09:46,840 --> 04:09:51,160
Speaker 1: perfectly willing to ally with fascists if it means hurting

3888
04:09:51,320 --> 04:09:55,440
Speaker 1: trans and queer people. The rally is billed as quote

3889
04:09:55,960 --> 04:10:00,400
Speaker 1: a rally for decency, stand up against men in woman's

3890
04:10:00,520 --> 04:10:03,960
Speaker 1: public pool locker rooms, and tell the city of Port

3891
04:10:04,040 --> 04:10:08,320
Speaker 1: Townsend to let Julie swim unquote Yeah. The guy who

3892
04:10:08,400 --> 04:10:11,960
Speaker 1: runs Common Sense Court Conservatives, a man named Robert Um.

3893
04:10:12,520 --> 04:10:15,840
Speaker 1: I always mess up his name m Zurfling. I think

3894
04:10:15,880 --> 04:10:18,520
Speaker 1: it is zurfing z r f I and g Um

3895
04:10:19,120 --> 04:10:22,400
Speaker 1: who's associated in some way with the Proud Boys and

3896
04:10:22,600 --> 04:10:27,600
Speaker 1: his associated with Roger Stone. He runs this blog called

3897
04:10:27,640 --> 04:10:30,960
Speaker 1: Common Sense Conservative. He is organizing something that's being billed

3898
04:10:31,000 --> 04:10:34,680
Speaker 1: as quote rally for decency unquote UM to be here

3899
04:10:34,720 --> 04:10:38,280
Speaker 1: in Port Townsend on the Labor Day weekend Saturday, which

3900
04:10:38,360 --> 04:10:44,000
Speaker 1: is the third and UM, it's unclear whether this is

3901
04:10:44,000 --> 04:10:46,280
Speaker 1: going to be a large event or a small one.

3902
04:10:46,280 --> 04:10:49,080
Speaker 1: They have not as of yesterday, pulled a permit for

3903
04:10:49,280 --> 04:10:53,120
Speaker 1: that UM, and there's some questions about, you know, if

3904
04:10:53,120 --> 04:10:57,360
Speaker 1: you're planning a large event, what what's that unfold? Like, Uh,

3905
04:10:58,040 --> 04:11:01,240
Speaker 1: Poor Johnson is a tourist community and at this time

3906
04:11:01,280 --> 04:11:03,000
Speaker 1: of year, we've got a lot of people in town

3907
04:11:03,080 --> 04:11:07,320
Speaker 1: over Labor Day weekend. UM, so a large Proud Boy

3908
04:11:07,400 --> 04:11:10,240
Speaker 1: rallies is kind of you know, it doesn't feel very comfortable.

3909
04:11:10,760 --> 04:11:12,520
Speaker 1: It's kind of the first kind of big instant where

3910
04:11:12,520 --> 04:11:15,080
Speaker 1: you've had these types of like you know, more kind

3911
04:11:15,080 --> 04:11:19,600
Speaker 1: of experienced activists on like the anti trans side or

3912
04:11:19,640 --> 04:11:21,600
Speaker 1: on you know, affiliate with Proud Boys or whatever kind

3913
04:11:21,600 --> 04:11:24,600
Speaker 1: of come in and try to make this problem inside

3914
04:11:24,680 --> 04:11:28,560
Speaker 1: the town. We've had little bits and pieces of stuff. Um,

3915
04:11:28,920 --> 04:11:32,880
Speaker 1: the Proud Boys or something kind of connected had a

3916
04:11:33,160 --> 04:11:37,440
Speaker 1: kind of truck drive through parade rally in sort of

3917
04:11:37,520 --> 04:11:40,840
Speaker 1: just prior to the election. UM that kind of drove

3918
04:11:40,920 --> 04:11:43,040
Speaker 1: through town and you know, with a bunch of big trucks,

3919
04:11:43,160 --> 04:11:45,480
Speaker 1: and I think some people were open carrying, and it

3920
04:11:45,600 --> 04:11:48,840
Speaker 1: was it was mostly a bunch of noise. UM. But

3921
04:11:48,960 --> 04:11:51,920
Speaker 1: it hasn't This is a very liberal community, UM, and

3922
04:11:53,240 --> 04:11:56,800
Speaker 1: it hasn't really hit us. This is also just for context.

3923
04:11:56,880 --> 04:12:00,040
Speaker 1: This is a town of ten thousand people and and

3924
04:12:00,080 --> 04:12:02,720
Speaker 1: it's the biggest town for you know, fifty miles in

3925
04:12:02,800 --> 04:12:05,160
Speaker 1: any direction. So it's not you know, it isn't like

3926
04:12:05,200 --> 04:12:07,440
Speaker 1: ten thousand people that's a suburb. This this is the

3927
04:12:07,480 --> 04:12:12,080
Speaker 1: big town. This is the county seat. UM. So it's

3928
04:12:12,760 --> 04:12:15,160
Speaker 1: We've been kind of insulated from a lot of things.

3929
04:12:15,280 --> 04:12:17,200
Speaker 1: You know, we had, you know, we definitely had some

3930
04:12:17,320 --> 04:12:20,320
Speaker 1: Black Lives Matter protests. We definitely had you know, we

3931
04:12:20,760 --> 04:12:24,840
Speaker 1: had a big women's march in sen but we haven't

3932
04:12:24,920 --> 04:12:29,320
Speaker 1: seen that kind of explosive clashing protests that you know,

3933
04:12:29,560 --> 04:12:32,640
Speaker 1: Seattle or Portland have. The far right is planning to

3934
04:12:32,800 --> 04:12:37,000
Speaker 1: mobilize people from around the Pacific Northwest, pulling from folks

3935
04:12:37,160 --> 04:12:41,920
Speaker 1: in Oregon and Idaho, and are expecting anywhere between fifty

3936
04:12:42,000 --> 04:12:44,240
Speaker 1: to a hundred people to show up on the anti

3937
04:12:44,360 --> 04:12:49,120
Speaker 1: trans side, especially people from Proud Boy and three percenter

3938
04:12:49,200 --> 04:12:53,560
Speaker 1: affiliated networks. One of the leaders of the Washington State

3939
04:12:53,720 --> 04:12:57,360
Speaker 1: three PC of militia, Eric Road, has stated that he

3940
04:12:57,560 --> 04:13:00,520
Speaker 1: will be present and is encouraging his fall blowers to

3941
04:13:00,760 --> 04:13:05,000
Speaker 1: join him, saying on telegram, quote, I don't care if

3942
04:13:05,240 --> 04:13:07,960
Speaker 1: five of you show up or fifty of you show up.

3943
04:13:08,440 --> 04:13:12,000
Speaker 1: I will always march against men staring at girls as

3944
04:13:12,080 --> 04:13:15,440
Speaker 1: young as eleven pulling off their swim trunks. It would

3945
04:13:15,440 --> 04:13:18,280
Speaker 1: be pretty cool if people could cancel their plans and

3946
04:13:18,440 --> 04:13:23,000
Speaker 1: show up to stand against child molesters. God said, if

3947
04:13:23,040 --> 04:13:25,800
Speaker 1: you even look back, I'll turn you into a pillar

3948
04:13:25,880 --> 04:13:29,600
Speaker 1: of salt. I wouldn't have looked back, but I never

3949
04:13:29,680 --> 04:13:32,600
Speaker 1: failed to answer the call to something so simple as

3950
04:13:32,800 --> 04:13:35,200
Speaker 1: don't stare at little girls when they take off their

3951
04:13:35,280 --> 04:13:40,000
Speaker 1: clothes unquote. He then goes on to do some unhinged

3952
04:13:40,120 --> 04:13:45,280
Speaker 1: rambling about federal observation and his commitment to God and country,

3953
04:13:45,920 --> 04:13:49,440
Speaker 1: but he ends that post by saying, quote, when I

3954
04:13:49,600 --> 04:13:56,040
Speaker 1: get threatened by Antifa, all matched Antifa unquote, which I

3955
04:13:56,200 --> 04:13:58,360
Speaker 1: don't even know what that means. The grammar on that

3956
04:13:58,560 --> 04:14:02,880
Speaker 1: is very confusing. Another telegram post from a three percenter

3957
04:14:02,960 --> 04:14:07,160
Speaker 1: account reads quote calling all patriots, all proud boys, all

3958
04:14:07,240 --> 04:14:11,560
Speaker 1: three percenters, all lone wolves, We roll out to Port

3959
04:14:11,640 --> 04:14:15,640
Speaker 1: Townsend on September three. Hope to see you there. We

3960
04:14:15,800 --> 04:14:18,920
Speaker 1: got proud boys and three pers rolling in from all

3961
04:14:19,080 --> 04:14:23,240
Speaker 1: over unquote. The three percenter crew is also planning a

3962
04:14:23,640 --> 04:14:29,560
Speaker 1: pre and post rally barbecue party on Friday and Saturday

3963
04:14:29,680 --> 04:14:34,760
Speaker 1: night at Wildby Island, which sounds like an awful time.

3964
04:14:34,880 --> 04:14:38,840
Speaker 1: That sounds like a horrible party. Our major concerns going

3965
04:14:38,960 --> 04:14:43,760
Speaker 1: forward is if protesters keep coming out here, UM, that

3966
04:14:44,280 --> 04:14:46,680
Speaker 1: the right wing will get more footage that they can

3967
04:14:46,880 --> 04:14:51,640
Speaker 1: spin UM, bringing more attentions on this, bringing more harm

3968
04:14:51,720 --> 04:14:55,280
Speaker 1: to the trans community across the country. UM. That the

3969
04:14:55,400 --> 04:14:59,880
Speaker 1: right wing will attack someone locally around here. UM. Or

3970
04:15:00,160 --> 04:15:03,760
Speaker 1: that all of the spun footage will inspire someone from

3971
04:15:04,280 --> 04:15:06,240
Speaker 1: outside of the area or someone just sitting in the

3972
04:15:06,280 --> 04:15:10,800
Speaker 1: woods who will come and pause serious harm to a

3973
04:15:10,920 --> 04:15:14,960
Speaker 1: large group of our our local trans community. UM. And

3974
04:15:16,000 --> 04:15:18,960
Speaker 1: our intent is to be there to have some sort

3975
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Speaker 1: of response via medical or otherwise. Trying to think of

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Speaker 1: how to say this UM. I've lived here on and

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Speaker 1: off most of my life and had started UM working

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04:15:34,440 --> 04:15:42,840
Speaker 1: towards transitioning, but due to the national political situation, specifically

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04:15:43,400 --> 04:15:49,160
Speaker 1: when the former president temporarily got rid of trans protections

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04:15:49,200 --> 04:15:53,840
Speaker 1: and medical canceled all that changed my medical records back

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04:15:54,160 --> 04:15:57,760
Speaker 1: and have been presenting as a cis white dude since then,

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04:15:58,760 --> 04:16:02,240
Speaker 1: specifically because of the amount of privilege that gives me

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04:16:03,480 --> 04:16:09,280
Speaker 1: and having a trans partner who is working on their

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04:16:09,320 --> 04:16:14,800
Speaker 1: transition in this town while this is happening is hitting

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Speaker 1: home to a level that I was completely unprepared for.

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Speaker 1: And the emotional impact that all of this has been

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Speaker 1: having on me, and the fact that it's not just

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04:16:28,920 --> 04:16:34,320
Speaker 1: here but that this is getting national attention is something

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Speaker 1: I'm still trying to wrap my head around. And I'm

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Speaker 1: just really thankful for all of the networks that we've

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Speaker 1: built and all of the community, the local community, the

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04:16:45,480 --> 04:16:49,320
Speaker 1: broader Washington community, all the people who have just shown

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04:16:49,440 --> 04:16:52,800
Speaker 1: so much support for us, and it makes me feel

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04:16:52,800 --> 04:16:55,760
Speaker 1: like there is there is a future where we can

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04:16:56,520 --> 04:16:59,600
Speaker 1: just be left in peace. And that is the story

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Speaker 1: of what's been happening in Port Townsend over the course

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Speaker 1: of the past month and what could happen in the

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Speaker 1: next few days. I'm going to close this episode with

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Speaker 1: Clementine discussing the details of her go fund me. The

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Speaker 1: go fund me is sort of a general transition fund

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Speaker 1: for me. I originally made it specifically for two surgeries.

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04:17:25,640 --> 04:17:29,920
Speaker 1: I low balled the amount greatly because I felt like

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Speaker 1: if I asked for too much, I wouldn't get anything.

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04:17:32,400 --> 04:17:35,600
Speaker 1: And I still got nothing for a long time. At

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Speaker 1: some point when the articles were coming out, one of

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04:17:38,840 --> 04:17:43,240
Speaker 1: the nationals used one of the national articles used my

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04:17:43,400 --> 04:17:46,440
Speaker 1: go fund me as a source um to find out

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Speaker 1: more about me. But that got my go fund me

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04:17:50,640 --> 04:17:54,120
Speaker 1: out there um and a lot of different people started

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04:17:54,120 --> 04:17:57,880
Speaker 1: picking up on it and spreading it. I actually didn't

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04:17:57,920 --> 04:18:01,640
Speaker 1: do much at all to to help that. I it

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04:18:01,960 --> 04:18:04,640
Speaker 1: was never something on my mind. The go fund me.

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04:18:04,960 --> 04:18:07,600
Speaker 1: It just happened and I looked at it one day

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04:18:07,640 --> 04:18:11,800
Speaker 1: and I thought, that's strange. I have more donations than

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04:18:11,880 --> 04:18:16,040
Speaker 1: the last time I checked, and it was pretty empowering

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04:18:16,360 --> 04:18:21,280
Speaker 1: to see that, or or more hopeful um. But now now,

4017
04:18:21,800 --> 04:18:24,840
Speaker 1: so I talked about the go fund me was originally

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04:18:25,440 --> 04:18:29,520
Speaker 1: for two specific surgeries, and I lobald the amount UM.

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04:18:30,040 --> 04:18:34,080
Speaker 1: I later revised. Actually, it took me a couple of

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Speaker 1: times in a lot of consideration because I didn't want

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04:18:37,120 --> 04:18:40,800
Speaker 1: to feel like I was cheating the people that were

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04:18:40,880 --> 04:18:44,760
Speaker 1: being gracious to me, which I'm not trying to be.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, uh, finding out that things cost more than

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Speaker 1: I thought. But you know, it's way better than it

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04:18:55,120 --> 04:18:59,080
Speaker 1: was before. And to find it, I mean, I'm pretty

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Speaker 1: sure it's the first thing that comes up when you

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04:19:01,040 --> 04:19:04,200
Speaker 1: look up my name now, which is better than Fox

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04:19:04,320 --> 04:19:09,720
Speaker 1: News is video or or a daily Wire article or whatever.

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04:19:09,800 --> 04:19:14,080
Speaker 1: The big thing that would pop up otherwise is but um, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's called Clementine's Transition fund fund go fund me. You

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04:19:19,320 --> 04:19:22,480
Speaker 1: can find the transition go fund me at go fund

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04:19:22,520 --> 04:19:27,840
Speaker 1: me dot com slash s r s for Clem and

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04:19:28,200 --> 04:19:31,000
Speaker 1: that link will be in the description, or you can

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04:19:31,040 --> 04:19:35,640
Speaker 1: just search Clementine's Transition Fund on your search engine of choice.

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Speaker 1: See you on the other side. Hey, we'll be back

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Speaker 1: Monday with more episodes every week from now until the

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Speaker 1: heat death of the Universe. It Could Happen Here is

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Speaker 1: a production of cool Zone Media. For more podcasts from

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