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Speaker 3: It's a new era for the New York Giants. He

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Speaker 3: is Mike Carmon, I'm Dan Byer. That is Ian Roddy.

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Speaker 3: We've got our second head coach of the NFL season fired.

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Speaker 3: First it was Brian Callahan and Tennessee and then earlier

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Speaker 3: this week Mike Brian Dabole got his walking papers for

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Speaker 3: the two and eight New York Giants. So a change

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Speaker 3: in the Big Apple.

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Speaker 4: Myriad reasons why this comes to pass right, I mean, obviously, record,

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Speaker 4: you know, terrible, and it's been a dismal effort running

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Speaker 4: on down the line. You know, we look at the Giants,

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Speaker 4: I mean since Tom Kauflin walked away, what is this

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Speaker 4: coach six? Coach seven? That's a decade Okay, so there

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Speaker 4: there's no innocent parties in any of this in terms

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Speaker 4: of the decision making. The fact that Joe Shane keeps

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Speaker 4: his job at least for another seven weeks is just insane.

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Speaker 4: Trade Deadline's gone find someone else to push paper on

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Speaker 4: roster moves. But for Dable, I mean, we talked about

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Speaker 4: it a little bit in the in the episode earlier

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Speaker 4: in the week, you know, talking about situations at fourth

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Speaker 4: down calls right the fourth and goal Russell Wilson's in,

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Speaker 4: Because that's a whole other part of this equation, the

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Speaker 4: Jackson dart and treatment and looking out for his best

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Speaker 4: and just now you're not gonna be able to keep

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Speaker 4: him from, you know, being a runner getting into the

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Speaker 4: open field. The fact that he seeks out contact is

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Speaker 4: something he's gonna have to learn and train himself not

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Speaker 4: to do. Like he looks like that guy that was like, Hey,

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Speaker 4: The fact that he's been in the blue tent seemingly

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Speaker 4: every other week, if not every week this season, you

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Speaker 4: had the fine and all of that stuff is just insane.

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Speaker 4: But you know, down distance, decision making, fourth quarter collapses,

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Speaker 4: you name it, it all piles up. Some reports were

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Speaker 4: that this was more or less a done deal after Denver.

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Speaker 4: Remember they scored thirteen points in that fourth quarter and

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Speaker 4: still lost that game somehow. But all it does is

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Speaker 4: it moves us forward to the Mike Kafka era, which

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Speaker 4: you know, selfishly the Northwestern kid played lost a big

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Speaker 4: shootout bowl game, passed for five hundred yards against Auburn,

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Speaker 4: a little soft place in the heart. He's well traveled,

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Speaker 4: has worked with some of the best quarterbacks and mines

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Speaker 4: in the game. So it looks like and if you

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Speaker 4: were going to credit Dable Jackson Dart's early assent in

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Speaker 4: the NFL, how does Kafka not at least get some

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Speaker 4: of that shine. So it would seem to me, you've

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Speaker 4: to go and prove that you deserve the job.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it is absolutely in audition, and I

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Speaker 3: think that's why Joe Shane is still there. And the

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Speaker 3: messaging from ownership John Marra and Steve Tish is that

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Speaker 3: Shane's gonna pick the next head coach, and I think

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Speaker 3: that there's something in line to that.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I assume stuff was probably done.

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Speaker 3: Behind the back of Brian Dable, whether it be by

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Speaker 3: Kafka is the one who made Jackson Dart who he is.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna get Malik Naghbors back next year. Am Scataboo

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Speaker 1: I think that there is something there.

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Speaker 3: It was weird, guys, because my social media accounts, specifically

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Speaker 3: New York Giants. But when I heard that day Ball

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I wondered how much you know you still had

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Speaker 4: But if you're a bad team or running back's not

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Speaker 4: awful season. Last year Eagles win. But all of that,

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Speaker 4: might not have had that much support under his feet

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's there's gonna be tons and tons of names.

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Speaker 3: But I think that there's I think that there's an

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Speaker 3: just felt like Russell Wilson got a second coach fired,

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Speaker 3: which again I don't know why Jamis isn't number two.

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Speaker 3: If you're peeping in the medical tent to get Jackson

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Speaker 3: I I don't know like what it went down or

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Speaker 3: And I remember in the preseason when Tommy DeVito is

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Speaker 3: But honestly, when you look, Mike, you mentioned the history

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Speaker 4: Slim pickens, but still the mass expectations. I think the

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Speaker 4: Whereas Jamis has always been a guy that's terrified me

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah. Tough times in New York. Will see if

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Speaker 3: they rebound. They've got the Packers coming into the town

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Speaker 3: up on Sunday. Cincinnati Bengals have a showdown with the Steelers.

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Speaker 3: There's an update on Joe Burrow and a little bit

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Speaker 3: more of a further conversation on what we had last week.

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Speaker 3: And maybe the new star out of the backfield in

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Speaker 3: the NFL. It is I want earflex. He's Mike Carmen,

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Speaker 3: that's Ian Rodnie, I'm Dan Byer. More of that next. So,

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Speaker 3: while Brian Dabole is out of New York, Joe Burrow

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Speaker 3: opening up the twenty one day practice window for Burrow

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Speaker 4: I don't believe Zach Taylor has a hot seat at

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Speaker 3: Now, you wouldn't want him to get hurt in that

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Speaker 4: Him because of the financials. Absolutely, come back, yes and

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Speaker 4: And if you can get that fifty five million gone, yeah,

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Speaker 3: Even Gronk was saying as much of the Jets and

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Speaker 5: I have, and I've seen my fair share of jersey swaps,

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Speaker 4: Well, but they did it fifteen years prior with Carson

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Truly is.

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Speaker 5: I still think Burrow gives you a lot more than

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Speaker 5: I don't think that you know, that's something that you

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Speaker 3: I am please do not say that I'm saying Joe

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Speaker 4: we're done. And that's part of the Joe Burrow stash. Right,

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Speaker 5: He'd get real pissed. Really yeah, And how great would

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Speaker 1: But it's just.

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Speaker 5: I love how how interested he was in the dinosaur music.

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Speaker 5: Remember did you see that clip where they went to

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Speaker 5: the dinosaur museum and then they showed the He was

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Speaker 5: micd up at practice the next day, just telling some

435
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Speaker 5: random equipment guy all these facts about dinosaurs.

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Speaker 1: And how cool it was. Sounds like myself.

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Speaker 4: He can get on board. Yeah, brody, we found you

438
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Speaker 4: a guy there you go.

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Speaker 1: Oh man, Well, it will be something to follow. I'll

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Speaker 1: tell you what. It'll keep our interest throughout.

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Speaker 3: But at least if you Joe Burrow's been sitting on

442
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Speaker 3: my ir I've been waiting for him to come.

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Speaker 1: Back, so that is a welcome sight.

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Speaker 3: As again we talk about hitting the stretch of the

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Speaker 3: fantasy football season. I do want to wrap this episode

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Speaker 3: up with this conversation because it was a conversation that

447
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Speaker 3: we had last week and it was about a guy

448
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Speaker 3: that broke out in Week ten. We've been waiting for

449
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Speaker 3: it kind of all season, and the scenarios popped up

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Speaker 3: where Traveon Henderson was able to break through and have

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Speaker 3: the game that we had thought that he was going

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Speaker 3: to have for so long, the Patriots rookie running back

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Speaker 3: taking not one, but yeah, two big plays to the

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Speaker 3: house against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, and guys, this was

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Speaker 3: just a conversation that we had last week, right when

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Speaker 3: we're talking about Traveon Henderson and how the Patriots are

457
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Speaker 3: going to use him and what the Patriots have coming

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Speaker 3: up in bigger fish to fry. While Traveon Henderson had

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Speaker 3: one hundred and forty seven yards and the two big

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Speaker 3: touchdowns against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. He still got it

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Speaker 3: on fourteen carries, which were the same amount of carries

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Speaker 3: that he had against the Atlanta Falcons the week prior.

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Speaker 3: This is the workload stuff that we're talking about. So

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Speaker 3: in a way, guys, I feel very vindicated in terms

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Speaker 3: of our Traveon Henderson conversation. So even when Ramandre Stevenson

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Speaker 3: does come back, I think Stevenson will get your goal

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Speaker 3: line carries. I don't think New England has I need

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Speaker 3: desire to add to the workload of Trayvon Henderson. And

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Speaker 3: because of his freshness, and he even got dinged up

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Speaker 3: on a play in that game against Tampa and was

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Speaker 3: able to return and what could have been a scary

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Speaker 3: knee injury situation. I think that this is what New

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Speaker 3: England envisioned, that big playability by keeping Trayvon Henderson fresh.

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Speaker 4: Double digit touches in four of the last five games

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Speaker 4: now against New Orleans. Not much in the way of benefit,

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Speaker 4: but all we can ask for is opportunity and starting

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Speaker 4: to see a bigger share as you move forward. New

478
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Speaker 4: England has the lowest remaining strength of schedule. Folks can

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Speaker 4: mock what they've had to go through thus far right,

480
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Speaker 4: Buffalo and Tampa being the two outliers in terms of

481
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Speaker 4: competitors three point thirty eight the remaining winning percentage of

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Speaker 4: the New England opponents, so more opportunities, and yeah, keeping

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Speaker 4: a guy fresh, like we've been talking about that with

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Speaker 4: a number of different players in the in the Running

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Speaker 4: Backs edition of ten twelve touches and those equals shares

486
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Speaker 4: well with that explosive playmaking ability. He was off to

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Speaker 4: the races and had enough time to look to the

488
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Speaker 4: coaches to make sure they wanted him to score. That's

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Speaker 4: what we're talking about when we get into these kind

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Speaker 4: of situations. So, yeah, he's one of those second half

491
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Speaker 4: guys that's going to be huge. If you made a

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Speaker 4: deal for him ahead of your trade deadline, I think

493
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Speaker 4: you're going to be very happy.

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Speaker 3: It kind of fits in because maybe Joe Burrow comes

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Speaker 3: back in week twelve when the Bengals face the Patriots.

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Speaker 1: There's the perfect way to put a bow on the episode.

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Speaker 3: By the way, the Patriots have a bye in week fourteen.

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Speaker 3: That's the only drawback of all of this is because

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Speaker 3: it's such a late by final week of the regular

500
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Speaker 3: season and some league second to last than others. But

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Speaker 3: that's the only drawback. But I'm glad we got the

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Speaker 3: Trevion Henderson conversation and it proved out to be correct.

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Speaker 3: Fourteen touches against the Falcons the week prior, fourteen carries

504
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Speaker 3: against the against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers actually had fewer

505
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 3: receptions in the game against Tampa than he did against Atlanta.

506
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Speaker 3: So that's going to be New England's plan moving forward.

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Speaker 3: I don't think you were going to see anything different,

508
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 3: but you can see what he can do with those

509
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Speaker 3: carries moving forward as well well.

510
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Speaker 4: Because you went into the marketplace and you went and

511
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Speaker 4: acquired some more shares correctly.

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Speaker 1: I did.

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Speaker 3: I just had a feeling that at some point something

514
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Speaker 3: was going to happen, and I did get him for

515
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Speaker 3: a ninth round pick on the day before Week ten,

516
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Speaker 3: on Saturday. I just I, yeah, there was something about it.

517
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Speaker 3: I had Romandre Stevenson as well, so I wanted to

518
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Speaker 3: be covered in that aspect, but I felt that that

519
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Speaker 3: was the time.

520
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Speaker 1: To do it.

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Speaker 3: I had actually wanted to do it the week prior

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Speaker 3: when Stevenson ended up having his toe injury in dealing

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Speaker 3: with that, or just to have some insurance I should say,

524
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Speaker 3: but yeah, so when Stevenson went out against the Falcons,

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Speaker 3: it made more of an opportunity for Henderson to get

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Speaker 3: his shine.

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Speaker 4: Tiger Woods fist bump for you on Sunday or you know,

528
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Speaker 4: one of those giant yeah talking motions.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was. It was great.

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Speaker 3: And plus I mean I was fortunate enough to have

531
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Speaker 3: Jonathan Taylor on my roster as well, so it was like, wow,

532
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,639
Speaker 3: was it a bit of deja vu all over again

533
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Speaker 3: when you.

534
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Speaker 4: Get running backs?

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Speaker 3: Hey, it's our standard league again, so it doesn't get

536
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Speaker 3: that high.

537
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Speaker 1: But yeah, no, it worked out.

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Speaker 3: I mean because because and again this is on the

539
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Speaker 3: heels of the worst trade that anybody has ever done

540
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Speaker 3: in Fantasy that I did earlier this year, to trade uh,

541
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Speaker 3: to trade the pieces away.

542
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Speaker 1: I got Stevenson in return.

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Speaker 3: So then when he went down with that toe injury

544
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Speaker 3: against Cleveland, I'm like, man, you know, like this is

545
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Speaker 3: this is just the way that it works.

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Speaker 1: But so I'm glad. I'm glad that Henderson was able

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Speaker 1: to cash in. And I think we'll.

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Speaker 3: Continue to see that fourteen carry workload, and when Romandre

549
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Speaker 3: Stevenson comes back, he'll probably get ten to fourteen carries,

550
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Speaker 3: will be around the goal line. I think I think

551
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Speaker 3: both guys will be playable.

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Speaker 4: I love it. That's awesome.

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Speaker 5: And for a ninth round pick, Dan, that's like just

554
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Speaker 5: just looking, I'm looking at the average ADP from the

555
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 5: twenty twenty five Fantasy Draft cycle. Guys that were going

556
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Speaker 5: in the ninth round this past year were guys like

557
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Speaker 5: you know, Brian Robinson, Junior David and Joku, Javonte Williams,

558
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 5: Jordan Mason. Like sure, you know a few of these

559
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 5: panned out like Javonte, but like I'd feel fine giving

560
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Speaker 5: up a ninth.

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Speaker 1: If there's I think it's a good rule.

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Speaker 3: If there's a guy that you are eyeing on, just

563
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Speaker 3: try to make the offer and if you got to

564
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Speaker 3: pay more than you can. I benefited from the not

565
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Speaker 3: great game against Atlanta. You know, just at some point

566
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Speaker 3: you're waiting for Anderson to break out, and unfortunately, unfortunately

567
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Speaker 3: it was on a team that was looking to sell

568
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 3: more than buy as they were maybe out of the

569
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Speaker 3: U out of the race in our league. So took

570
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Speaker 3: a chance man an offer and it worked.

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Speaker 4: I dig that, all right, There you go, ninth round pick,

572
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 4: because again, you know, like he was a guy that

573
00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 4: was a late Riser. So again that becomes a did

574
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Speaker 4: you draft because there was a lot of speculation. I

575
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 4: certainly helped fuel it because I'm not a Stevenson guy

576
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Speaker 4: in terms of the ball security issues. Sure wrote about

577
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Speaker 4: that as often as I could. But yeah, for a

578
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Speaker 4: ninth round pick, that's just I think that's gonna be

579
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Speaker 4: an absolute steal for the second half of the year.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, looking forward to having that. And as you mentioned,

581
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Speaker 3: the Patriots schedule is favorable outside of that bye in

582
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Speaker 3: Week fourteen, and yep, unfortunately for Ian they've got the

583
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 3: Jets coming up on Thursday night. But hey, stranger things

584
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 3: have happened as we saw so far this NFL season

585
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Speaker 3: and in Week ten, like the Saints going to Carolina

586
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Speaker 3: and getting that win. But all right, Ian, we'll be

587
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 3: back on Friday. We'll find out if he's got a

588
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 3: win or out with his Jets against the Patriots. Not likely,

589
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 3: but he'll be here, as will Mike Carmen with his

590
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 3: rankings for Week eleven.

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Speaker 1: So for the guys, I'm Dan Byer. We can't wait

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Speaker 1: to talk to you next time right here, and I

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Speaker 1: want your FLEs