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Speaker 1: And Home on the Blackett Goat Steelers Radio's The Drive

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Speaker 1: with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on Home of the

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Speaker 1: Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio. Welcome to the Drive.

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Speaker 1: I'm Dale Lolly here with Matt Williamson's a special edition

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Speaker 1: of The Drive. Work. Yeah, a little different schedule here,

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Speaker 1: a different schedule for us, but seeing each other in

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Speaker 1: a while too. It has been a while and usually

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Speaker 1: we see each other well, very much every day or

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Speaker 1: every other day or well, when we wake up in

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Speaker 1: the morning and I roll over and tap you on

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Speaker 1: the shoulder, that doesn't really happen, but it kind of

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Speaker 1: happening for training camp here. We're on this eight to

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Speaker 1: ten shift. You can find us Steelers Nation Radio. We'll

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Speaker 1: have live shows basically throughout the day, uh night shows

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Speaker 1: as well. It's we're going with a kind of a

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Speaker 1: normal camp schedule here throughout the course of the Steelers

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Speaker 1: training camp here. That kicked off last Thursday over at

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Speaker 1: the U. P. M. C Rooney Sports Complex. Today they

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Speaker 1: move over to Hinesfield. Yesterday they were off right, yesterday

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Speaker 1: they were off. We'll also hear from Kevin Colbert today

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Speaker 1: at eleven o'clock. I'm gonna hustle on over to the

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Speaker 1: stadium as soon as I'm done here. And and uh

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Speaker 1: see what Kevin has to say. We do right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we usually they're they're pretty Um, he'll come back to

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Speaker 1: our pod. Uh there's there's the main pod where most

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Speaker 1: of the writers are as me and and the Pursuit

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Speaker 1: of and and the guys from the trip and the

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Speaker 1: Post Gazette and um, he'll sit down in the in

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Speaker 1: our little common area and we'll we'll have a little

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Speaker 1: impromptu press conference. First part of it is off the record,

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Speaker 1: remember a few years ago he uh, he was asked,

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Speaker 1: you know, most of the time he won't to answer this,

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Speaker 1: but he was asked, um, you know, is there anybody

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Speaker 1: you want to get some contracts done with? And he

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Speaker 1: mentioned Chris Boswell. Lo and behold, like a week later

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Speaker 1: to come out. We're gonna ask him about t J.

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Speaker 1: Watt and some of these other guys for sure, and

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Speaker 1: they wanted guys on one year deal. And you know,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of cap room, and they want to

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Speaker 1: get what done before the season starts. They'd like to

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Speaker 1: get that out of the way. They still have twelve

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Speaker 1: million dollars in cap spaces. I reported yesterday the Melvin

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Speaker 1: Ingram deal has avoidable years. That's the first time they've

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Speaker 1: done avoidable years with an outside free agent. I guess

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Speaker 1: they've done it with an Outside's really gaining steam in

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Speaker 1: the league. And it's a bit of a loophole. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it really is. And somebody asked me, why, what's the

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Speaker 1: what's the benefit of this. You can carry cap space

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Speaker 1: over that you don't use to the next year. You

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Speaker 1: it can hurt you next year, or it can be

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Speaker 1: a positive next year. The Steelers still now have twelve

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Speaker 1: million dollars in cap space. They had thirteen a little

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Speaker 1: point six or something like that. So if you don't

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Speaker 1: use that two point four million dollars that you say,

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Speaker 1: you know you saved by during the voidable years, it

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Speaker 1: rolls over in the next year. So you got him,

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Speaker 1: you saved the space this year just in case. I

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Speaker 1: know these answers, but maybe not all our listeners do.

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Speaker 1: So why not just give it to him now while

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Speaker 1: two of that question, though, is even if Ingram isn't

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Speaker 1: He's going to count against your cap he is, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but you have an ocean of capital. You're able to

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Speaker 1: How's that? How does that work for your thirty three

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Speaker 1: just to reiterate, I'm not sure if everyone realized the

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Speaker 1: a lot of young guys playing in that can't game.

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Speaker 1: We did walk throughs in ballrooms of hotels, a pit,

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Speaker 1: about Drive on your four seven home of the Black

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Speaker 1: and Goal Steelers Nation Radio. Welcome back to the Drive.

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Speaker 1: I'm Dale Ally here with Matt Williamson and I met

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Speaker 1: Com has put out a top ten list of the

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Speaker 1: ten leading candidates to be offensive Rookie of the Year.

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Speaker 1: I thought we'd go down. Um he has at number ten,

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Speaker 1: seventy five is you know. I mean, I don't think

425
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Speaker 1: he's have a Justin Jefferson type of year, but I

426
00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:50,000
Speaker 1: would expect him to be highly productive. Number six is

427
00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:55,040
Speaker 1: Jamar Chase. Yeah. Those three receivers and since I think

428
00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:58,280
Speaker 1: will pillage from each other. That's the problem with Mr Chase.

429
00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:01,240
Speaker 1: Now he made I don't huge percentage of the pot.

430
00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:03,159
Speaker 1: What's his over under and catches this year? Do you

431
00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,879
Speaker 1: think I think Smith will catch more balls on him?

432
00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:08,280
Speaker 1: Chase might do more with it, and I think he's

433
00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:11,480
Speaker 1: a much better player prospect. He may end up with

434
00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:17,080
Speaker 1: more touchdowns. I don't know. Yeah, I'm not sure how

435
00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:20,760
Speaker 1: much they're going to throw. I mean, are they gonna

436
00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:22,320
Speaker 1: come out and throw it like they did last year

437
00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:25,520
Speaker 1: with Joe Burrow times a game? I would hope not. Yeah,

438
00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:27,600
Speaker 1: I mean I would think that they've learned from learned

439
00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:30,600
Speaker 1: their ways. But I mean, um, Mixing is making a

440
00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:34,480
Speaker 1: lot of money and Burrows coming off an injury. Um,

441
00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:37,480
Speaker 1: I think you want to The offensive line still not

442
00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:41,040
Speaker 1: right settled? Settled? I mean they're always in three receiver sets.

443
00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:42,720
Speaker 1: But that doesn't mean he can't run a lot. I

444
00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:45,399
Speaker 1: mean that said, their defense still stinks. You need to

445
00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:48,240
Speaker 1: help help that a little bit. Yeah, I mean Chase

446
00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:52,040
Speaker 1: could blow everyone away just because he's a spectacular player.

447
00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:55,399
Speaker 1: I mean I didn't see justin Jefferson year coming. And

448
00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:57,399
Speaker 1: I think Chase was a better player at L s

449
00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:00,760
Speaker 1: U than Jefferson and a better prospect. But you know,

450
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:06,400
Speaker 1: usage is big. Number five is Zack Wilson. What if

451
00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:10,680
Speaker 1: they're seven and nine, six and earth, seven and seven

452
00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:13,680
Speaker 1: and ten or six and eleven, he still don't see

453
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:17,359
Speaker 1: like that. If there's major progress in New York, he'll

454
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:19,840
Speaker 1: be starting from day one. He's gonna start from day one.

455
00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:21,480
Speaker 1: That's the only thing that you can say about him

456
00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:23,720
Speaker 1: that that's certainly the best. I think that's about the

457
00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:27,360
Speaker 1: spot where he belongs. Yeah, yeah, like I I don't

458
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:29,359
Speaker 1: He's not gonna be a front runner for it. He's

459
00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:33,000
Speaker 1: not going to be head and shoulders. I just don't

460
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:35,440
Speaker 1: know that the weapons are good enough for him to be.

461
00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:37,960
Speaker 1: I'm having a hard time painting the picture where he

462
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:39,840
Speaker 1: he's the award winner. Yeah, you know what I mean,

463
00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,880
Speaker 1: although Herbert won it last year or no Herbert. Yeah,

464
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,440
Speaker 1: they're five and eleven. They're five eleven, right, like is

465
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:49,600
Speaker 1: great of a year as justin Herbert had him win

466
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:51,959
Speaker 1: many games? No, I don't know what their record was

467
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:56,760
Speaker 1: the to the Taylor started, but either way, he you know,

468
00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:01,439
Speaker 1: Herbert did not win a ton of games. I I

469
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:04,679
Speaker 1: know Wilson was drafted earlier than Herbert was, but I

470
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:08,880
Speaker 1: can't imagine Wilson having a similar rookie season to Herbert.

471
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:11,600
Speaker 1: They were coming either. They were six and nine and

472
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,680
Speaker 1: games started by Herbert last year. I mean, that's still

473
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:18,880
Speaker 1: not tremendous. A lot of close ones and he threw

474
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:21,639
Speaker 1: I mean he had a good rookie year. Oh yeah.

475
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:23,560
Speaker 1: But the bottom line is they were still six and nine,

476
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:26,600
Speaker 1: And I mean, I don't think the Jets can have

477
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 1: a winning record this year. No, Like if they get

478
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,320
Speaker 1: the six wins, that would be the best progress. Yeah,

479
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:34,359
Speaker 1: I'm trying to paint the picture of how he wins.

480
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:38,240
Speaker 1: It is they start to creep towards five hundred. Things

481
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:41,040
Speaker 1: are going the right way a year from narrow. In

482
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:43,560
Speaker 1: this offseason, we're all saying, well, the Jets have their quarterback.

483
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,080
Speaker 1: You know that that would be a big step. But

484
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:47,679
Speaker 1: he almost needs a couple of people ahead of him

485
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:53,199
Speaker 1: to stumble a little bit. Yeah, four is interesting. Kyle Pitts,

486
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,400
Speaker 1: I don't know if the tight End is never won

487
00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 1: offensive Rookie of the Year ever, but reception total could

488
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 1: match Smith or Chase. He could finish with the most

489
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 1: catches of any rookie. Yeah, oh yeah, I I don't

490
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:10,399
Speaker 1: I can see a scenario where he catches eighty five passes,

491
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:12,640
Speaker 1: you know, and and you know, if he catches eighty

492
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 1: five passes, it undred yards sets a new bar for

493
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 1: what you the expectations are for a tight End. Even

494
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,639
Speaker 1: though I kind of I wrote a story about Chase

495
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:26,440
Speaker 1: Claypool over the weekend. Um he said, you know, if

496
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 1: he can make the DK Metcalf like leap. You look

497
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:32,719
Speaker 1: at Kyle Pitch, you look at DK Metcalf, you look

498
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 1: at Chase Claypool. They're all the same size. They're the

499
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:38,399
Speaker 1: same size. One just has a T next to his

500
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:40,440
Speaker 1: name the otherwise the other two have a w wall.

501
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:42,359
Speaker 1: He's probably a little longer too, I mean have been.

502
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 1: His wingspans a little a little wider and legs are

503
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 1: a little longer. But he even watching him, he looks

504
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 1: like a wide receiver. Doesn't look like a tight end,

505
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:51,640
Speaker 1: and it's not like he's There's been other first round

506
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:55,480
Speaker 1: tight ends, of course, but Fantasy is huge, and people

507
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 1: weren't taking those guys as the fourth or fifth Fantasy

508
00:25:58,080 --> 00:25:59,919
Speaker 1: tight end off the board. There's been a lot of

509
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 1: hype around him before he's even played. If they had

510
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 1: a T next to their name, though, would they have

511
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 1: gone that high? Who Whop and metcalf Um, I don't know. Probably,

512
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 1: probably not. I think that they still were second round picks.

513
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 1: But I still think that people would have looked at

514
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 1: that and going, well, he's gonna you know, you look

515
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,439
Speaker 1: at what they did their rookie years, and it was

516
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:24,719
Speaker 1: I think for both of them, right around sixty catches

517
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:30,200
Speaker 1: nine yards. Uh Metcalf had seven touchdowns, Claypool at nine.

518
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 1: You know, deep threats. If they had a T next

519
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,360
Speaker 1: to their name going into their second year, oh yeah,

520
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:38,639
Speaker 1: they're like top three. Yea. Um. The other thing I

521
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:42,360
Speaker 1: think Pitts will need and certainly can provide. He needs

522
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:43,879
Speaker 1: to be on Sports Center a lot, you know, like

523
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 1: some highlight real stuff for going over I don't Jalen

524
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:50,919
Speaker 1: Ramsey or you know, some good corners and plucking it

525
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 1: over their heads, are running away from defenders. And I

526
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:55,880
Speaker 1: think he's very capable of doing that. But if it's

527
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:59,359
Speaker 1: a boring stat line, you know, dumping it down to

528
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:01,639
Speaker 1: him in the four quarter when you're losing by fourteen

529
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,400
Speaker 1: and it gets tackled, that might not have the hype

530
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 1: to win it. I don't think that matters as much, though,

531
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,719
Speaker 1: because I think the numbers will be there. The numbers,

532
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 1: I think, I think so many voters as well. He

533
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 1: had He had seventy eight catches for yards and seven touchdowns.

534
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 1: He had more yards than any wide receiver in this class.

535
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:19,640
Speaker 1: That's you know, that would be what people look at.

536
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:23,639
Speaker 1: So you know, I think he could certainly be in

537
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 1: the conversation, which is amazing. Even like Evan ingram O, J.

538
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:31,160
Speaker 1: Howard and the Joeku, they were all first round picks

539
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 1: that year. I bet they wouldn't even be in the

540
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 1: top ten list, right, Yeah, I mean, like that's it's

541
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,399
Speaker 1: it's awful difficult. Number three is a guy that we

542
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,360
Speaker 1: drafted a lot in fantasy and quick, I mean, as

543
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,920
Speaker 1: much as the Steelers, And we're excited about friar Mouth.

544
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 1: He's now we're close to the top ten second board,

545
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,640
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And we'll talk more about

546
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,920
Speaker 1: him later. Yeah yeah, uh yeah, I mean we'll see

547
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 1: how that works out. Um. Number three is a guy

548
00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 1: we've drafted a lot in our fantasy draft late, justin fields. Yeah,

549
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:05,639
Speaker 1: I mean, I think there's a chance for spectacular play.

550
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 1: I know they're saying Dalton as a starter. I don't

551
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 1: think that's I think he's gonna be the first rookie

552
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 1: to play of the three that are are guaranteed spots,

553
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 1: not the top two picks, but I think he gets

554
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 1: in there early. I don't know that he lights it up,

555
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:24,680
Speaker 1: but I bet he rushes for a lot and gives

556
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:26,919
Speaker 1: the fan base a lot of hope. And again I

557
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 1: think it's when the season's over, we'll be like, Wow,

558
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 1: it looks like the Bears actually have a quarterback. They

559
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 1: just trained Anthony Miller over the weekend. He's been disgruntled

560
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:36,879
Speaker 1: for a while, or they're dis grumbled with him for

561
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 1: a while. Yeah, that's kind of weird. It is. I mean,

562
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 1: they're they're not real deep at the receiver positions. I

563
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 1: don't think he was guaranteed to make the team, uh

564
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 1: number two nausea, Harris Good. I think most lists, at

565
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 1: least right after the draft, didn't give him that kind

566
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 1: of credit, including Vegas odds. You know you could get

567
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 1: him and not a long shot, but he was not

568
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 1: the top two or three, um, you know, best odds

569
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 1: to win it. I think he should be too. Yeah,

570
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 1: you could make the argument that he might be one, right,

571
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 1: given the workload that he's going to get. And as

572
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 1: much as they say this is a quarterback award, four

573
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 1: of the last eight years running back has one running back.

574
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 1: The other guys have been wide receivers or quarterbacks. Running back. Yeah.

575
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 1: I remember even three years ago, Baker wanted over Barkley,

576
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 1: which I thought Barkley deserved it more at the time.

577
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 1: To be honest, with you. But yeah, Baker finished the

578
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 1: rookie season extremely strong. But um still, I mean, harriss

579
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 1: to me, is going to get every bit the workload

580
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 1: of any of these incoming rookies that we remember. Uh,

581
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 1: here's what the Lance has to say about it. Um,

582
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 1: he should stack up the rushing yardage, but his ability

583
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 1: as a pass catcher and touchdown maker could be the

584
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 1: difference if he has to win this award, if he

585
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 1: catches fifty passes and scores double digit touchdowns to go

586
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 1: along with his and even if he's averaged rushing yards,

587
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 1: I mean, if if the run game isn't a dominant one,

588
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 1: if they're averaging under four yards of carry, he's still

589
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:13,479
Speaker 1: gonna get rushes and at the end of the day,

590
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 1: he's gonna accumulate yards. Here's the thing about that, James

591
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 1: Robinson was a thousand yard rusher last year. They were

592
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 1: second worst to the Steeler. They had the second worst

593
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 1: running game behind the Steelers with a thousand yard rusher,

594
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 1: and I think he had the most. He got injured

595
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 1: at the end of the year, I think, but he

596
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 1: had the most touches of any I mean he had.

597
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 1: He was right there with Derrick Henry and workload. So

598
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 1: he was getting the ball a lot. Yeah. I mean

599
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 1: that's that's the It's it's about volume to do that.

600
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 1: And Naja Harris is gonna get volume. Yeah. I think

601
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 1: volumes will guarantee with him. I keep getting asked the question, Lawrence,

602
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 1: are the Steelers? Is Mike Tomly going to run the

603
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 1: wheels off of this guy? Here's the thing. The analytics

604
00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 1: people tell us that you should never take a running

605
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 1: back in the first round of the of the draft

606
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 1: because you can find these guys anywhere. The analytics also

607
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 1: tell us that you're gonna have a running back for

608
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 1: five or six years, you got to use him. You

609
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:16,719
Speaker 1: got right right, Like, is there such a thing as

610
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 1: running the wheels off of this guy? You don't care

611
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 1: what that second contract is gonna look like. No, I

612
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 1: think running the wheels off him is the is the move.

613
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 1: And then you draft on five years from now or

614
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 1: four years a now, and you know, to keep that

615
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 1: pipeline going, have a high end player there. And that's

616
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 1: not a massive investment over a ten twenty year you know,

617
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 1: uh span there if you if you're draft him four

618
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 1: high every twenty years, you know what I mean? And

619
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 1: by that. I might always tak a first round, it

620
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 1: might be a second or third round. You find that,

621
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 1: you know, you take him in Harris's third or fourth

622
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 1: year and you say, okay, just like they did with

623
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 1: let with Bell and Connor exactly exactly, and then that guy, um,

624
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 1: you know, you have four years with him. Maybe the

625
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 1: first year he's still learning or waiting for the guy

626
00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 1: but in front of him, and then you can still

627
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 1: franchise him and run his wheels off chances of I

628
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 1: don't think anyone's counting on any running back when they

629
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:10,719
Speaker 1: draft them, sign them whatever to last ten years, ten years, right,

630
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 1: you're not, you know Peyton here right there, short shelf

631
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 1: lives and if they outlast at okay, yeah, right right,

632
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 1: that's fine. You get guys that are the outliers that

633
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 1: can do that, and that's that's great. You know, I

634
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 1: would say this about Harris physically. I mean, he's you know,

635
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 1: sixty pounds, he's a little older. If somebody could put up,

636
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 1: you know, handle that kind of workload, you know, he's

637
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 1: not a he's not two pound running back who's gonna

638
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 1: get beaten up here. You know, you mentioned a t

639
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 1: M like I wonder if they would even drafted a

640
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 1: TN in the first round, you know, Like I think

641
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 1: they want to work. They want a guy who's that's

642
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 1: not a knock on a t N. It's a different

643
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 1: style running back. Um that leaves number one Trevor Lawrence sure,

644
00:32:57,920 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 1: and maybe one on my list as well. He's going

645
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 1: to start from day one. He's gonna you know, he's

646
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 1: the number one pick in the draft. Um, nobody's guarantee

647
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 1: is gonna go well, right, I mean, he could have

648
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 1: a Peyton manning like Troy Aikman like rookie year very

649
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 1: much so, and and he'll he'll have a very very

650
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 1: long leash, which could be bad, you know in terms

651
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 1: of rookie year. Can I mean, if he's struggling, they're

652
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 1: gonna me if he goes down and throws twenty plus interceptions,

653
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 1: he's not gonna be Rookie of the Year. And they'll

654
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 1: let him do it. And they're gonna let him do

655
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 1: it because he's gonna be learning. Yeah, I mean, he

656
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 1: easily could win it, there's no doubt. I Mean, he's

657
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 1: a tremendous prospect and they do some stuff around him,

658
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 1: but there's a lot of new pieces there. I mean,

659
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 1: I don't know everything. Gels and Jacksonville from the start

660
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 1: and Lancer's top dark horse candidate Mac Jones. That's possible. Yeah,

661
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 1: and he could win the starting job in camp. He could.

662
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 1: I mean there's a chance, at least I don't think

663
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 1: so that. I don't think that will happen either, but

664
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 1: I think it's a I think it's out there. Yeah.

665
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 1: I think I think they stick with Cam Newton until,

666
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 1: you know, if things start to fall apart like they

667
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 1: did last year. Then he said, Okay, we're done with this.

668
00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 1: We've we've given Cam a year and a half. We

669
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 1: know what he is now. It's not he can't do

670
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 1: it anymore. We're gonna We're gonna move on. But that

671
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 1: should be interesting. Those are your eleven candidates for offensive. No,

672
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 1: it certainly isn't one guy we've talked about in during

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00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 1: this segment with Pat Fiarmouth. I want to get to

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Speaker 1: him when we come back. He is Matt Williamson. I'm

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Speaker 1: Dale Ally. You're listening to the Drive here on Steelers

676
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Speaker 1: Nation Radio. Your tunes about Drive on Home of the

677
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:39,479
Speaker 1: Black and Goals Steelers Nation Radio. Welcome back to the Drive.

678
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 1: I'm Dale Lolly here with Matt Williamson, and one of

679
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:44,839
Speaker 1: the guys that I wanted to talk about has kind

680
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,760
Speaker 1: of been, uh one of the stars of camp thus

681
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 1: far Um if you can call it that again, it's

682
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 1: it's just a carryover football and shorts has been Pat Friarmouth.

683
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 1: I'm really excited, a wookie tight end out of Penn State.

684
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 1: And he made some catches on Sunday the last day

685
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 1: that they were over at the South Side that I

686
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 1: can't really talk about what he did, but let's just

687
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 1: say that they were high end tight end catches. They

688
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:16,720
Speaker 1: were high end wide receiver catches. They were high end catches. Yeah,

689
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:18,799
Speaker 1: and you saw that dependn State. You saw it on

690
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,880
Speaker 1: the move. You saw it even you know, flat footed,

691
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: you you see him adjust to the football. Well, I

692
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 1: should know this off top of my head, and I

693
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 1: probably did around draft time, but I don't know his

694
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 1: arm length and wingspan. But he plays with a very

695
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 1: big catching radius because he can go pluck the ball

696
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,320
Speaker 1: away from his frame. A lot of tight ends can't.

697
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 1: I mean there's a lot of them are heavier body

698
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,240
Speaker 1: type guys. Let me just say this, he can pluck

699
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,400
Speaker 1: the ball from over top of a cornerback's head or

700
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:46,919
Speaker 1: defensive back's head. Yeah, I mean, that's that's not something

701
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 1: to see that often. I focused in on him on

702
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 1: Mini camp a lot, even just an individual drills, and

703
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:55,360
Speaker 1: I saw him practicing you know, the ones outside the frame.

704
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 1: And he has nice, big, strong, soft hands that translate

705
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 1: to the game too. You know, this is a guy

706
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 1: who on career catches at Penn State at sixteen touchdowns. Yeah,

707
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:09,800
Speaker 1: it's pretty crazy. Kyle Pitts had similar numbers of Florida

708
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 1: and everybody's well, this guy really gets. He get he

709
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 1: knows how to score touch They weren't all one yard

710
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 1: ors either. No, he's but even the red zone area

711
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 1: is a hard one to navigate. There's an art to that. Um,

712
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 1: I think he has a potential to be an impact

713
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 1: player as a rookie. I do too. I think he's

714
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 1: a chance to have a very bright career and be

715
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 1: I mean this is extreme, but one of the better

716
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 1: Steeler tight ends we've seen. I wasn't gonna say the

717
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:35,320
Speaker 1: best tight end Steeler history or something like that, but

718
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:36,839
Speaker 1: I mean, I think he's got a chance to be

719
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:41,720
Speaker 1: a high quality every down player that fantasy people draft

720
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 1: every year and makes a Pro Bowl or two. You

721
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like, I think he's got a

722
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 1: chance to have a very solid career, and I won't

723
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 1: deny it. Whenever they were on the board in the

724
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 1: second round and they made the pick and roll my eyes,

725
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 1: but I kind of went wow, I wasn't thinking that way. No,

726
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 1: I was like, you ignored offensive line two picks in

727
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,399
Speaker 1: a row. I'm I'm a little shocked. I don't think

728
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 1: I would have gone that direction. But as often as

729
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 1: the case with you know, all teams, especially Steelers, when

730
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:12,799
Speaker 1: you really study it through their eyes, it adds up.

731
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 1: I mean, I think they've wanted a tight end. I

732
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 1: think they had. I think they had a distinct plan

733
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 1: going into this, like, Okay, we want to get the

734
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: running back Harris. I think the draft fell exactly maybe

735
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 1: how they wanted to. Absolutely, did you know that a

736
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 1: lot of it was a bet on their scouting staff,

737
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,840
Speaker 1: their pro staff. Can we still get green or a

738
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:36,399
Speaker 1: similar center in round three? You're playing chicken a little bit,

739
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 1: you know. But I mean people don't think about like

740
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:42,919
Speaker 1: the pro scouting staff on on draft day. They need

741
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 1: to know the league and tell Kevin Brandon Hunts telling

742
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:48,319
Speaker 1: him no, I don't know these guys don't need this,

743
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 1: they don't need that, because that's what they do. They

744
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 1: scout the NFL teams exactly. And these two teams that

745
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 1: need a center, they need five other things, and I

746
00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 1: bet they don't down the list. Yeah, maybe they've got

747
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:02,799
Speaker 1: a guy who can step in his start right right,

748
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,840
Speaker 1: right right, and then maybe you know, like Landon Dickerson,

749
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 1: I didn't see going to Philly. You know, we know

750
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:10,800
Speaker 1: Kelsey's not real long for this world probably, but still

751
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:12,919
Speaker 1: then you look at and go, oh, I didn't see

752
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:14,760
Speaker 1: that one coming, because if you have a great grade

753
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:16,839
Speaker 1: on him, and sometimes the board doesn't fall that way.

754
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,720
Speaker 1: So but I do think that the Steelers are always

755
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,760
Speaker 1: good with supply and demand. There was very little supply

756
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 1: at running back in tight end. You know, we always

757
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:26,360
Speaker 1: talked about that with the running backs. There was three

758
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:30,319
Speaker 1: and then Tray Sermon and and nothing. You know, the

759
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 1: tight ends were you weren't getting pits. You know, you

760
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 1: knew that from day one. But if you didn't get

761
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,959
Speaker 1: Friar Muth, I don't know that I'm over drafting Hunter

762
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 1: Long or somebody like that. I mean, they're okay, yeah,

763
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 1: but I don't think they're the answer. I think they

764
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 1: may have gotten three impact rookies in this draft and

765
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 1: the three longtime starters at least, and then you get

766
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 1: some other guys that you know you'll see, yeah, you'll see.

767
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 1: But I think to me, Harris, friar Muth, and Green

768
00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 1: all make a serious impact their rookie years. Yeah, and

769
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 1: we said to open the show, it's rare to have

770
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 1: rookie starters since day one, and two of them are

771
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 1: right now starters. I don't know that friar Muth willever

772
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 1: be listed as a starter. I don't know that he'll

773
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 1: be listed as a starter, but it wouldn't surprise me

774
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:17,319
Speaker 1: having seen him go through this now I know right now,

775
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 1: having not seen him in pads, he's a better blocker

776
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 1: than he because anybody, if you look at the tight

777
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:32,320
Speaker 1: end position like it really is, especially on this team,

778
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: Ebron and friar Muth aren't the same. I mean they could.

779
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,799
Speaker 1: They should have two different distinctions by their name. I

780
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 1: mean once one's a big slot and one's a tight end.

781
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:42,800
Speaker 1: So if you look at it in that light, friar

782
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 1: Muth is the starter as the inline ya you know

783
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 1: what I mean? And he runs the move tight end

784
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 1: and he's the move tight end, you know. So I

785
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 1: like the fact that they can play a lot more

786
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 1: twelve personnel this year too, But that means putting a

787
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:58,360
Speaker 1: good receiver on the bench. But having that ability I

788
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 1: think helps a lot. And I harp on this too

789
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 1: all the time, like, yeah, give give the offensive line

790
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 1: a hard time and the running backs a hard time

791
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 1: last year, but the peripheral blocking the other five or

792
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 1: the other four because one of them as the ball

793
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 1: in his hands and Ben's a gonna block anybody. It

794
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 1: was really bad. I expected a little more from Claypool.

795
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 1: I expect that to change a little bit. Deonte is

796
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 1: never gonna move bodies. Juju should be able to. And

797
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:28,400
Speaker 1: Ebron has got to get in away a little bit

798
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 1: more too, you know. But you upgraded there, Yeah, I

799
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 1: think so as well. I think what you could end

800
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 1: up happening is early in the season, Abron gets a

801
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 1: little bit more of the playing time. As the season

802
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 1: goes on, as Friarmouth gets his feet under him, I

803
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 1: think he starts to take that roll over and become

804
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:53,279
Speaker 1: more of the the you know, he gets six of

805
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 1: the snaps where Hebron was getting early in the season,

806
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 1: and I'm getting ahead of myself, But I don't know

807
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:01,479
Speaker 1: that Ebron will be a Steeler two thousand twenty two. Yeah,

808
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 1: that's not a guarantee. And you know he makes some

809
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 1: money and um, yeah, he's useful, I think, And I'll

810
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 1: be honest with you, he's looked good. I thought he

811
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 1: had a pretty good year. Yeah, to be very honest,

812
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 1: the drops, I don't think we'll ever go away with him,

813
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:18,319
Speaker 1: and he's never gonna become a blocker, but he does

814
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 1: the other things well and you can see why he

815
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 1: is And I think, you know, year two of him

816
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 1: with Ben will help. Yeah, I think I think they

817
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 1: they'll have there'll be a much better rapport there for

818
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:33,319
Speaker 1: those two tight end. Quarterback is maybe more valuable in

819
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 1: terms of their relationship than receiver they have. They really

820
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 1: do you know where to sit down on the zone?

821
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,359
Speaker 1: If it's a man, should I keep running? If it's zone,

822
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:45,240
Speaker 1: should I sit down? I always talk about the Witten's

823
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 1: and Heath Miller's and Gates is that play forever because

824
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 1: they're so smart and they have such a rapport with

825
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:53,399
Speaker 1: their quarterback and they trust him. I mean, Jimmy Graham

826
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 1: still in the league. You know what I mean it

827
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:57,359
Speaker 1: runs like us right if you if you told him

828
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:58,759
Speaker 1: to run to the end of the hall right now,

829
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 1: five minutes later, he could walk done and he'd be

830
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 1: getting there. Yeah. Exactly where I was going with this is,

831
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:05,720
Speaker 1: I know Ebron's a veteran, but he was a new piece.

832
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 1: I mean him and Ben didon play together and didn't

833
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 1: have much of a camp or preseason to do it.

834
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 1: So I do think that they like him and um

835
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:17,279
Speaker 1: trust him as a weapon. Yeah, I think there's something there.

836
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 1: And having two of those guys, um, it's different than

837
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:24,399
Speaker 1: what we've seen the Steelers having a pass where they

838
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:27,919
Speaker 1: had their clear starter and then the the second guy

839
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 1: was more of a blocker. Get through him the ball,

840
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 1: you know, fifteen times a year just as a surprise.

841
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 1: I don't know if you even know this answer, but

842
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 1: do you think friar Muth will be a regular special

843
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:41,839
Speaker 1: teams contributor. I mean he'll probably be a wing on,

844
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:44,919
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, he'll do some stuff out there until

845
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 1: becomes too valuable that you don't want to use him.

846
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 1: And that's what I was kind of thinking too, is

847
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 1: that men maybe he doesn't even stay there, you know. Interesting. Yeah,

848
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:53,759
Speaker 1: but I like the player a lot. I mean, you're

849
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:57,280
Speaker 1: talking about a guy who was was in four games

850
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 1: last year at Penn State, four twenty three catches for

851
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 1: three ten yards. Yeah, and he was tight end. Calla

852
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 1: went no better than me. But I know they have

853
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 1: a receiver who supposedly a top draft guy coming up

854
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 1: this upcoming year. But Handler had just left, and it

855
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 1: was pretty clear to me watching tape that Friar Muth

856
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 1: was there their featured receiver, you know, and that's you

857
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:24,880
Speaker 1: don't see many tight ends do that. Long absolutely was

858
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 1: to Yeah, and BC doesn't isn't always loaded with receivers either,

859
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean to design a lot of offense

860
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:33,799
Speaker 1: around the tight end, and a big program like Penn

861
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 1: State speaks volumes into your point scoring touchdowns. The analytics

862
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 1: folks will tell you they're harder, They're they're not very

863
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 1: predictive year to year for tight ends. They kind of are.

864
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:46,360
Speaker 1: But I'll match that and say there's an art to

865
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 1: it as well. I mean, operating in the red zone,

866
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 1: especially at the NFL level, is hard. I mean that's

867
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 1: twenty two big, fast human beings in a very small

868
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 1: amount of space and learning how to create space or

869
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 1: contested catches being able to go up and in high

870
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:06,359
Speaker 1: point the football right, you know, to catch low ones

871
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:08,919
Speaker 1: or on the run, you know. I mean so yeah,

872
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 1: I mean it sounds like that he has aerial skills.

873
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 1: He adjusts the ball very well in the air, and

874
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 1: that's something you don't see out of a lot of

875
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 1: tight ends. No, I mean, as good as like Keith

876
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:21,799
Speaker 1: Miller was, you didn't see that a lot from him,

877
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 1: as big as you know, as good as Antonio Gates

878
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 1: was at it right, he was more of a I'm

879
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 1: gonna screen you off with my body, um, you know,

880
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 1: to ask him to go up and get the football

881
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 1: like a power forward from Ken's State, you know, right,

882
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 1: whereas I think Frimo catches the ball like a like

883
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:39,840
Speaker 1: a wide receiver in those situations where he you know,

884
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:42,319
Speaker 1: he can contward his body a little bit and make

885
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 1: those kind of catches, which makes perfect sense. I mean,

886
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 1: Gates is background and not to compare the two Gates

887
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 1: go in the Hall of Fame, but I mean Gates

888
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 1: was a basketball player until very late in his athletic

889
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:56,720
Speaker 1: career and was one of those the true converts before

890
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 1: people were doing that often. But so he wasn't doing

891
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 1: seven on seven you know, camps when he was fourteen

892
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 1: years old. Like I'm sure Friarmouth was was a very

893
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 1: good high school basketball player as well. You like, you'd

894
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:11,759
Speaker 1: like to see that the ball skills and the rebounding

895
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 1: in the time, you see some of that. And I

896
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 1: can remember people would talk about Plexico Burris and what

897
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:19,719
Speaker 1: a great high school basketball player he was and how

898
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 1: he didn't translate though it didn't translate at all. I

899
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 1: remember watching that one. I'll bet he wasn't very good rebounder.

900
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 1: I've bet, knowing you you're six one ish, I bet

901
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 1: you're going I'm getting rebounds against Burris. He might not

902
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 1: jump me, but I'm gonnaut I'm gonna opposition him. I'm

903
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 1: gonna time it up better. Yeah, you know, That's that's

904
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 1: what rebounding is about. It's all about, you know, looking

905
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 1: at the angle, Okay, where's it gonna come down at?

906
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 1: You know, reading the ball in the air, that kind

907
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:47,399
Speaker 1: of stuff, and then knowing when to jump. Side note

908
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 1: on that. My year with the Browns, we played a

909
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 1: lot of pickup hoops that uh was in Ohio, Wesleyan's

910
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:53,840
Speaker 1: like right across the street, and I was the second

911
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 1: biggest guy so I got to usually guard our tight ends.

912
00:45:57,120 --> 00:46:02,840
Speaker 1: Coach Ben Coates, he got most of the rebound. That

913
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 1: was not much fun. Yeah, we've done that a few

914
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,360
Speaker 1: times that it well, not not so much recently, but

915
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 1: back in the day, we would do that a lot.

916
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 1: Yeum and I would whatever at camp. We played a

917
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 1: lot of camp. Yeah, and the one year I got

918
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:21,880
Speaker 1: stuck covering uh Mike Merryweather a lot and we battled. Yeah,

919
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 1: we battled. He was much bigger than me. Yeah, I'm

920
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 1: sure he's a lot stronger personal right, but yeah, we

921
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 1: you know, so I think players actually played well. He

922
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:35,320
Speaker 1: was at that point was was in as a scouting

923
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 1: internal belief. Okay, So I thought things ended badly with

924
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 1: him in the Steelers because he gets and he had

925
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 1: they stay can stay with in touch with the organization,

926
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:47,280
Speaker 1: and that always happens with a lot of these guys.

927
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 1: They may go away, but their business decisions, you know.

928
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 1: Of course, of course everyone understands. I mean, it's different

929
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 1: if it's frankly like an A B situation. Yeah, I

930
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 1: mean you heard that from David to Castro when when

931
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 1: he you know, it's a business decision, I understand it.

932
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna play football for two months two months,

933
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:04,799
Speaker 1: so it's funny brought him up. I know, we gotta

934
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 1: go to a break. These segments are shorter, but it

935
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:09,279
Speaker 1: seems like his situation was almost the same as Michael

936
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:13,800
Speaker 1: Thomas's ankle fought it all year, wasn't quite the same.

937
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 1: I thought he'd be back. I thought he'd be back,

938
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 1: and then any other surgery and it's lately differences. You know,

939
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 1: Michael Thomas is much younger, and the stage weren't ready

940
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 1: to move on, like they don't have any kind of

941
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 1: we better. We gotta have Michael Thomas. There's nobody on

942
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 1: the street that's comparable or you know, right, and not

943
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 1: even close to their receiver room either. Yeah, they're gonna

944
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:34,400
Speaker 1: be in trouble, I think too. I think that's a

945
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 1: bad injury for them. Yeah, real bad. There's some teams

946
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 1: that are are having some issues like that that you

947
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:41,919
Speaker 1: you look at the points and it's gonna happen to more.

948
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 1: I mean, it's all bad from here on out mostly,

949
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:47,919
Speaker 1: and hopefully the Steelers can avoid a fair amount of that. Yeah,

950
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,720
Speaker 1: I mean we just talked about Friarmouth. I mean they

951
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:53,919
Speaker 1: could afford to lose the tight end where most years

952
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:55,719
Speaker 1: they couldn't afford to lose the tight end. Yeah, yeah,

953
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 1: that's for sure. So we'll see how this continues to

954
00:47:57,680 --> 00:47:59,240
Speaker 1: work out. But that's gonna do it for our first

955
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:02,279
Speaker 1: hour here of the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio, Matt,

956
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 1: and they're gonna be back here for the second hour

957
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:06,760
Speaker 1: right after this. Stay right here, don't you go anywhere.

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Speaker 1: M