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Speaker 1: Because games are played on Mondays, a couple of them
Speaker 1: and Thursdays, you don't always get the greatest Sunday Slate.
Speaker 1: But some of the games today were fantastic. Tampa Bay
Speaker 1: thirty eight, walk off field goal to win it over
Speaker 1: Seattle thirty five. It looked like young Brady and Peyton Manning.
Speaker 1: I don't remember a game like that. Darnold's always been
Speaker 1: a little more athletic than Baker had a couple of
Speaker 1: all timers. Baker just kept They couldn't stop him. You know,
Speaker 1: Seattle's defense has really shut down a lot of good
Speaker 1: offenses in the last couple of years, especially at the
Speaker 1: end of last year. Baker had no problem with it.
Speaker 1: Ibuka had no problem with it. I guess my takeaway
Speaker 1: from this game was if these two met in the
Speaker 1: NFC Championship, I wouldn't be shocked. I mean, it's an
Speaker 1: offensive league. I would not be shocked. I don't think
Speaker 1: tonight was a mirage. I think those are really good
Speaker 1: quarterback and really good teams full of excellent young players.
Speaker 1: And by the way, John John Middlicoff two of the
Speaker 1: best gms. These rosters have dudes everywhere.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I totally agree. I mean, at one point in time,
Speaker 2: Colin it was twenty one to twenty one. They were
Speaker 2: thirty nine of forty five for four hundred and fifty
Speaker 2: yards and three touchdowns like this is. But it just
Speaker 2: kept going on. I mean they made play after play
Speaker 2: outside the construct of the play, right, both of them
Speaker 2: scrambling around. We know, Darnold, I mean, Baker now is
Speaker 2: a mobile, you know, behind the line of scrimmage. Keep that.
Speaker 2: They were fantastic. That was as entertaining of a game
Speaker 2: watching these two guys that have clearly resurrected their career
Speaker 2: now for a couple of years. That was awesome. I
Speaker 2: mean that those guys, I know, Sam, you know, the
Speaker 2: lasting image will be a him throwing the interception. But
Speaker 2: that was on Todd Bowles called an incredible blitz. You
Speaker 2: saw in the slow motion replay. It wasn't a bad pass.
Speaker 2: He got hit and the ball went in the wrong direction.
Speaker 2: Both those guys could miss. They felt like, you know
Speaker 2: Steph Curry when every time he shot, you just think
Speaker 2: the ball is gonna hit nothing but net with both quarterbacks, Abuka,
Speaker 2: I mean that draft pick one thing I was taught
Speaker 2: a long time ago is at the time they drafted him,
Speaker 2: you're like, well, they got Mike Evans and Chris Godwin's
Speaker 2: coming back. They got hot, and they got multiple running backs.
Speaker 2: Why do they need a weapon? Because a position of
Speaker 2: strength can become a position of weakness with an injury
Speaker 2: or two. Look at the Chargers best offensive line in
Speaker 2: the league. Now you're looking like, who are these guys
Speaker 2: playing tackle for him? Injuries happened. I mean this guy,
Speaker 2: I don't want to say saving their season, but you know,
Speaker 2: Godwin's been out and then he comes back, and then
Speaker 2: Evans gets hurt, and this guy. Find me a better
Speaker 2: rookie right now in the NFL than a Mecca. He's
Speaker 2: been col.
Speaker 1: Remember a couple of years ago, of course you do.
Speaker 1: Atlanta drafted Robinson and Jon Robinson the running back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I had a GM say he's a Danny and Tomlinson.
Speaker 1: There's no flaw, good teammate, good blocker, everything. Ibuka because
Speaker 1: he wasn't like a four to three guy doesn't go
Speaker 1: in the top you know, seven or eight. But I
Speaker 1: had an executive in the league say he's a flawless receiver, routes, teammate, toughness,
Speaker 1: catch hands. He's like, there's just no flaw. But he'll
Speaker 1: drop because he's not huge and he's not you know,
Speaker 1: he doesn't have a unicorn body type, and he's not
Speaker 1: a complete burner. He is just a great football player.
Speaker 1: I mean he is open, he doesn't drop it, he
Speaker 1: runs great, He runs ten year veteran routes. And Seattle's
Speaker 1: secondary is good. Scale's defense is good, and they torched
Speaker 1: it today.
Speaker 2: I would say the same thing about JSN also happened
Speaker 2: to be an Ohio State guy. I mean, I look
Speaker 2: at the numbers right now. They combined for fifteen catches,
Speaker 2: almost three hundred yards and multiple touchdowns. But both those
Speaker 2: guys are good examples, right, Neither of them would go
Speaker 2: in the top ten because they're not quite big enough.
Speaker 2: They're more slot receivers. Like no, they can do everything.
Speaker 2: They can play inside, they can play outside. You know
Speaker 2: what they do. They get open every single play. Elite players,
Speaker 2: elite character guys like you said, elite teammates, and sometimes
Speaker 2: that wide receiver. Right, and you've been on this for decades,
Speaker 2: the little diva ish. These guys a rare breeds. I mean,
Speaker 2: these guys are wired like quarterbacks or safeties or John.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of it John is because when
Speaker 1: you are as big as DK Metcalf, he was that
Speaker 1: big in the seventh grade he was the biggest, strongest kid,
Speaker 1: and everybody was in. All of them were a Jackson
Speaker 1: Smith and Jigbit make a Buka. They weren't the biggest kids,
Speaker 1: they weren't the fastest kids. They got there because they
Speaker 1: had a lot of talent and they worked their ass
Speaker 1: off to become great receivers. And I think something Mike
Speaker 1: Evans is the rare big, strong guy, but super humble,
Speaker 1: hard working Keenan Allen. But Keenan's not a burner either.
Speaker 1: A lot of times, the Antonio Browns, the DK Metcalfe,
Speaker 1: the guys that just are have been gifted. The fastest
Speaker 1: kid in every class, Tyreek Hill with probably the fastest
Speaker 1: kid in the fourth grade, fifth grade, sixth grade, and
Speaker 1: you know, things come easy for you. So a lot
Speaker 1: of these great receivers, like Larry Fitzgerald, you can just
Speaker 1: see the work ethic, you know, like Puka Nakua, fifth round,
Speaker 1: Guy amor On Saint Brown. Look at the best receivers
Speaker 1: right now in the league, pukah amor On Saint Brown,
Speaker 1: these two rookies. It's a lot of guys that are talented,
Speaker 1: but there you'd view them as classic overachievers. None of
Speaker 1: them are burners. None of them outside Mike Evans. You know,
Speaker 1: don't walk into a room and inspire awe. They're just
Speaker 1: dudes who got some genetic gifts, work super hard, and
Speaker 1: it's just you know, it's just like you go find
Speaker 1: a great attorney. He had smart parents, you know, he
Speaker 1: didn't have dummies as parents. But the truth is he
Speaker 1: put the effort in. Because there's a million attorneys, right
Speaker 1: you got to fight through it. So I just watched
Speaker 1: JSN and Abuka and I just look at to me,
Speaker 1: you really have to be careful when drafting wide receivers.
Speaker 1: I mean, I saw another running back drop the ball
Speaker 1: at the goal line today Arizona Tennessee. Like you watch
Speaker 1: Arizona Tennessee today, there's talent on the field, but just
Speaker 1: not just airs and Fumbleser Murray at one point left
Speaker 1: the game, I'm not even sure he got hit like Moods.
Speaker 1: And I just watched Tampa and I watched Seattle, and
Speaker 1: I see great gms and a lot of good character
Speaker 1: guys and a lot of tough guys and a lot
Speaker 1: of redemption stories. That was so much fun.
Speaker 2: I also think it's if you're a defensive coach out
Speaker 2: there like an assistant or a coordinator. It shows you
Speaker 2: obviously these offensive coordinators have taken over the league, and
Speaker 2: rightfully so. The quarterback's really important. But Todd Bowles is
Speaker 2: an old school like a safety from the eighties, right
Speaker 2: who has become you know, he was Bruce Arians right
Speaker 2: hand man for a long time. He got some experience
Speaker 2: with the Jets, like he's a really good coach, and
Speaker 2: he's an excellent defensive coordinator. I've been saying for years
Speaker 2: Mike McDonald is basically Kyle or Sean. He just happens
Speaker 2: to call defense. If he was an offensive coordinator, we
Speaker 2: would speak about him no differently than we do Kevin O'Connell.
Speaker 2: But he's the defensive guy. And you saw today those
Speaker 2: guys have empowered their quarterback there. I mean, Todd's probably
Speaker 2: one of the great blitz callers in league history. You know,
Speaker 2: Spags has turned into one Jim Johnson forever. It's a
Speaker 2: skill and that call that won them the game, because
Speaker 2: that was a game and even for a split second
Speaker 2: when they had tied the game, I went, Todd's gonna
Speaker 2: allow them to go for two. When it turned out
Speaker 2: it was just Baker holding it up. Hoping they would
Speaker 2: give I think Todd Gold, you know, the field goal
Speaker 2: kicker on. But that's another thing. I mean in a
Speaker 2: day and age, when these field goals are kind of
Speaker 2: getting blocked. Their field goal kicker in Tampa, I don't
Speaker 2: know if the guy's missed. I mean, he's got game
Speaker 2: winner after game winner pretty nails. Also when the guy
Speaker 2: hit the ground on essentially the game winning run, probably
Speaker 2: could have got a couple more yards. But you talk
Speaker 2: about coaching, clearly told him in the huddle if you
Speaker 2: break this, it's an outbreaking run. If you get near
Speaker 2: the sideline, whether it's a first down or not, get
Speaker 2: to the ground right. We have seen in college and
Speaker 2: the pro sometimes guys like they have a you know,
Speaker 2: brain fart. They go out about they save the team
Speaker 2: a time out. It's just just a high level operation.
Speaker 2: I'm with you that game. I think Seattle's going nowhere.
Speaker 2: I mean, the forty nine ers are four and one,
Speaker 2: but half their teams on injured reserve. Tampa, I mean
Speaker 2: it's Tampa forty nine er game next week. You know
Speaker 2: Tampa now has to fly. I mean, what time are
Speaker 2: they going to get out of their seven o'clock Pacific
Speaker 2: standard time. They won't get home till the middle of
Speaker 2: the night. The forty nine ers have this long break,
Speaker 2: they're missing a ton of players. That's that's a huge
Speaker 2: win for them, though, I mean that's a mass go
Speaker 2: on the road to Seattle and forty one.
Speaker 1: Todd Bowles struggled with the Jets. Darnold disaster with the Jets,
Speaker 1: Davante Adams disaster with the Jets. Aaron Rodgers much better
Speaker 1: version of Aaron Rodgers. It's a cesspool. And we'll get
Speaker 1: into the Jets lost today, which may have been like
Speaker 1: rich co tight level bad think about people aren't only
Speaker 1: leaving the Jets and winning, they're flourishing. They lead their division,
Speaker 1: their MVP candidates. That is a bad organization. I remember
Speaker 1: when Todd Bowles was with the Jets, you know, and
Speaker 1: people would was rip him. He was a little like
Speaker 1: Carl Durell UCLA. The first year. He didn't even know.
Speaker 1: He didn't have much of a persona on the sideline.
Speaker 1: He got lost within the sideline. You couldn't find him.
Speaker 1: But Todd was always so smart and so thoughtful, and
Speaker 1: he was just one of those guys like he didn't
Speaker 1: want you know, he was the opposite of Rex Ryan,
Speaker 1: like he didn't want any attention. But over the course
Speaker 1: of your life, if you do good work and you
Speaker 1: just keep your head down, a lot of people get fired.
Speaker 1: It doesn't mean anything. You'll be rewarded. Todd Bowles was
Speaker 1: too good not to succeed in this league.
Speaker 2: Toty with Sam and look at you know, I think
Speaker 2: you brought up the two gms. You know, Mike's going
Speaker 2: to have a long career. Came from the Ravens. But Todd,
Speaker 2: imagine if you would have got a second opportunity with
Speaker 2: the Carolina Panthers or some of these franchises. He got
Speaker 2: Jason Light who anyone in the league will tell you
Speaker 2: is easily one of the best gms. Just a high level,
Speaker 2: humble guy who's seen it all, worked for everyone that
Speaker 2: mattered in the league over the last twenty years. And
Speaker 2: their team like, they have had so many injuries and
Speaker 2: you watched them play, I mean offensively, they're missing their
Speaker 2: starting running back and their Hall of Fame wide receiver.
Speaker 2: And how many points did they just I mean they
Speaker 2: scored thirty eight points. That's on the road against Seattle
Speaker 2: to set.
Speaker 1: Wow, what in Seattle is a Sam Donald fumble and
Speaker 1: a Sam Donald pick, and both times he like either
Speaker 1: bumped into a teammate or had somebody bump into him
Speaker 1: or Seattle could be an undefeated team. So this game
Speaker 1: is Seattle's a really good team. They're the second youngest
Speaker 1: offense in the league. So if you're a Seahawks fan,
Speaker 1: you got some good years ahead.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: It's it's also I don't know. I mean, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: worry about drafting a quarterback if I'm Seattle. I think
Speaker 1: they found I mean, Donald's still young, He's still totally
Speaker 1: when he when he was drafted by the Jets, he
Speaker 1: was twenty one, I think he's twenty seven or twenty eight.
Speaker 1: Now you have four more five more peak years.
Speaker 2: Yeah to me, I mean, I'm sure we'll talk about Collin.
Speaker 2: You look around the landscape of college football doesn't look
Speaker 2: like a lot of Joe Burrows coming into the league here.
Speaker 2: I would say this, though, sometimes there's a win win
Speaker 2: fit matters, Like I'm way better off as a podcaster
Speaker 2: than I was local radio, and we had ties to
Speaker 2: the team. It's not Kubiak, Like they hire Kubiak and
Speaker 2: they get rid of Ryan Grubb. Well Tys Simpson and
Speaker 2: Alabama are rolling right, and Ryan Grubb much better fit
Speaker 2: for college, and they get Kubiak, who's more of a
Speaker 2: run heavy great for Sam, and it's just worked out
Speaker 2: for both parties, right. Kubiak last year fired as well.
Speaker 2: Sometimes in football you just get with the right person. Sam. Now,
Speaker 2: look at Sam. Now we talk about the Jets for
Speaker 2: three straight years. Kyle, Kyle embracism, prety embracism changes the
Speaker 2: way we talk about him. Then he gets his opportunity
Speaker 2: with Kevin. Now he's in Seattle, I mean, just flourishing.
Speaker 2: Same thing with Baker Mayfield. He goes to Tampa, gets
Speaker 2: around Jason Light, gets around to Mike Evans, and just
Speaker 2: a more low key environment. I've been there. I've never
Speaker 2: lived there like you, but it's just an easier place
Speaker 2: to just kind of ease into things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Baker, the media and Tampa is more supportive. Baker's
Speaker 1: one of those guys that sometimes if he feels like
Speaker 1: he has to overcome the GM and the coach, that
Speaker 1: he tries too hard. He's very composed. Now, he's got
Speaker 1: a support system, He's happily married. Baker has nothing to prove.
Speaker 1: Everybody knows he's good. He's playing with a very controlled
Speaker 1: chip on his shoulder, but it's a good chip on
Speaker 1: his shoulder. I agree. It's it's like he doesn't have
Speaker 1: to prove anything. Everybody loves him in Tampa and in Cleveland,
Speaker 1: he and Hugh Jackson battled, and then Freddy Kitchens and
Speaker 1: then the GM and and then the media was on
Speaker 1: his ass because the Cleveland media is, you know, it's
Speaker 1: it's it's bitter, it's it's I don't blame him. Tampa's
Speaker 1: got trophies. They don't, so I think it's and people,
Speaker 1: I know they find this hard to believe, but I
Speaker 1: root for young people to succeed. One of my favorite
Speaker 1: part of the volume is watching young people at my age.
Speaker 1: You're young. I think it's great for Baker. It makes
Speaker 1: me very happy that he's kicking butt. That was this
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Speaker 1: Now I just did, Okay, another game, so I had
Speaker 1: picked the Broncos on my Blazing five. I think it
Speaker 1: went two and three. Today. By the way, I had
Speaker 1: the over on Arizona, Tennessee. It should have gone over
Speaker 1: in the second quarter. Those teams are horrific. I took
Speaker 1: the Broncos to beat Philadelphia. They did twenty one seventeen.
Speaker 1: It was like two games. For the record, all Philadelphia
Speaker 1: games are two games. Yeah, just pick your half. So
Speaker 1: Philadelphia led seventeen to three. Bo Nix was stemied by
Speaker 1: Vic Fangio. But again, these are long games, and you know,
Speaker 1: Philadelphia runs into these walls where they're just a punt factory,
Speaker 1: and they you know, they're they're very dependent on a
Speaker 1: big play over the top. Saque's numbers have been reduced significantly,
Speaker 1: So you'll get your chance to beat Philadelphia because they'll
Speaker 1: go into a they'll go into a punt, punt, punt situation.
Speaker 1: Sure enough, we get to the fourth quarter, playing from
Speaker 1: behind and Sean Payton's play calling. Bo Nicks hit on
Speaker 1: a couple of big throws. They have some crevices in
Speaker 1: the run game, and they come back to win a game.
Speaker 1: So let's start with Philadelphia. I mean, John, they are
Speaker 1: incapable of playing a full solid game of offense. They're
Speaker 1: either really impressive or awful. There's no in between. To me,
Speaker 1: it's got to be a coordinator. It's not personnel. The
Speaker 1: old line is regressed badly. These guys are all in
Speaker 1: their prime except Lane Johnson, who's older. They're all in
Speaker 1: their prime. To me, there's a coordinator issue.
Speaker 2: Well, I thought Romo and Nance especially Tony mentioned it
Speaker 2: a couple of times, like Sirianne's not the one underheat
Speaker 2: around here. It's this Kevin Patula that's his buddy for
Speaker 2: about fifteen years. But they finally through the first what
Speaker 2: sixty seventy percent of this game, they were feeding DeVante Smith,
Speaker 2: They hit AJ Brown, They had an opportunity for a
Speaker 2: nail in the coffin moment in this game, it was
Speaker 2: seventeen to three. They clearly had schemed up this play
Speaker 2: to AJ Brown and he's wide open, and Jalen had
Speaker 2: hit a couple deep bombs throughout the game, so when
Speaker 2: he let it rip, you went, well, this thing, because
Speaker 2: he's a good when his deep ball's working, it looks
Speaker 2: great ballgame. And it flew right over his head and
Speaker 2: then they had to punt, and then it kind of
Speaker 2: flipped from there because twenty four to three, the game
Speaker 2: is over because, like you said, bo Nicks was horrendous.
Speaker 2: I mean I asked someone that I bet on the
Speaker 2: Broncos to win the division, had high hopes for them.
Speaker 2: Like a lot of people, I bought into everything. Sean
Speaker 2: Payton was saying, and you're watching him, he's missing these
Speaker 2: deep balls. They have big play schemes and he missed them.
Speaker 2: And then I don't know if maybe he just kind
Speaker 2: of took a deep breath, but then he hit a
Speaker 2: couple of plays to sudden, hits the back shoulder throws
Speaker 2: and obviously you know the game winning drive he hit
Speaker 2: sudden over the middle on a big third down. He
Speaker 2: used his feet a couple times, and Tony kept saying,
Speaker 2: it's almost like, you know, if you're missing jump shots,
Speaker 2: get to the line, get fouled. You're a really good athlete.
Speaker 2: I think Fangio had said during the week, like kind
Speaker 2: of reminds me of Baker Mayfield, and Tony's like he's
Speaker 2: a way better athlete than Baker Mayfield. Like he can
Speaker 2: really run, and it's like just run a little bit.
Speaker 2: But I think he wants to prove that he can throw.
Speaker 2: But his arm in terms of accuracy has just kind
Speaker 2: of been off and then he just got into a rhythm,
Speaker 2: and obviously then Philly just hit the skids and you
Speaker 2: could tell, you could feel it on television. I've watched
Speaker 2: a lot of games there live. It got tight, and
Speaker 2: the whole building kind of went silent because they've seen
Speaker 2: this song and dance, and like you said, they can
Speaker 2: go through a quarter where they're clearly one of the
Speaker 2: most talented teams in the league, where they look horrendous
Speaker 2: and you're just you know, in Fangio's defense, you can't,
Speaker 2: you know, in this day and age, with the rules,
Speaker 2: it's hard to have just sixty minutes of playing like.
Speaker 2: It doesn't work that way.
Speaker 1: No, and they weren't very good again when you get
Speaker 1: him into a third and four or a third and
Speaker 1: five and they can't do the Toush push. They weren't
Speaker 1: very good on third down one day.
Speaker 2: We even see the Toush push today. I don't know
Speaker 2: if we did. I don't definitely they.
Speaker 1: Were third down forty five yards rushing, huge time of possession.
Speaker 1: I mean, it felt like in the fourth quarter Denver
Speaker 1: had the ball the entire fourth quarter, And I wrote
Speaker 1: that down thirty to twenty two minute time disadvantage. But
Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter Boonix had two drives for touchdowns
Speaker 1: fifteen points and five and a half minutes. Oh that
Speaker 1: was a big sideline throw to Courtland Sutton. Then there
Speaker 1: was that Zach Bond late hit that kind of sealed it.
Speaker 1: I mean, at some point Philadelphia that last drive John
Speaker 1: they were reduced to begging for PI calls on the
Speaker 1: hail Mary and the ball down to the two yard line.
Speaker 1: So you can kind of tell from their body language
Speaker 1: they know they're struggling there, and you know, it's just
Speaker 1: like anything else in life. I don't care if it's
Speaker 1: a relationship or a football game or an offense. It
Speaker 1: gets into your head and then you start doubting your
Speaker 1: play calling and then you start forcing the ball to
Speaker 1: certain players. Like but I go back to Sirianni's not
Speaker 1: a scheme guy. He's more in the Dan Campbell culture builder,
Speaker 1: alpha male, and so he's very dependent on who his
Speaker 1: OC is. Remember when he first got to Philly, as
Speaker 1: you know, he called plays it was a disaster, hands
Speaker 1: it off to Stikeen heater Steike and leaves Brian Johnson.
Speaker 1: Disaster that he brings in Kellen Moore. They right the ship.
Speaker 1: Kellen exits, now you got the new guy. So he's
Speaker 1: very Andy Reids, not Shanahan's not, although Shanahan's defense has
Speaker 1: been very dependent on the right coordinator. Saula now is
Speaker 1: dealing with kids and Fred Warner's outstanding. So I just
Speaker 1: look at Philly and to me, it's It's one thing.
Speaker 1: You could argue that Saquon Barkley's got fatigue from all
Speaker 1: the carries, but when an offensive line regresses like it has,
Speaker 1: to me, that's coordinator.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean they've had injury too. I mean Dickerson
Speaker 2: got hurt today. I just think Jalen is, I think,
Speaker 2: clearly establishing himself as a pretty streaky player. Right. He
Speaker 2: just happened to have two of the great games and
Speaker 2: Super Bowls, one of them he won. He could have easily.
Speaker 2: He could easily be two and zero against Patrick Mahomes
Speaker 2: and Andy Reid, and he's played fantastic in him but
Speaker 2: like through the course of a season, he's just a
Speaker 2: very you don't know what you're getting series this series,
Speaker 2: and that's where it's like, is there a huge drop
Speaker 2: off between Kellen Moore and this guy? Hard to tell,
Speaker 2: but like Kellen had been an offensive coordinator for a
Speaker 2: long time and coached from Dak to Herbert, Like it
Speaker 2: just had way more. This guy never called plays in
Speaker 2: the NFL. He'd been a lifetime position coach, even if
Speaker 2: he'd been around the Eagles the whole time and been
Speaker 2: on the staff. There's a big difference than given suggestions
Speaker 2: and making the decisions right. I mean, that's why did
Speaker 2: the Eagles feel pretty good about their defense. I don't know.
Speaker 2: They have a Hall of Fame defensive coordinator who's been's
Speaker 2: sixty five years old and been doing it for decades.
Speaker 2: So I also think they got an elephant in the room.
Speaker 2: Last year, Brandingham kind of let the cat out of
Speaker 2: the back and he tried to walk it back. But
Speaker 2: how often do you see a guy he's thirty five
Speaker 2: years old, Brandon Graham's got multiple kids, Like, this guy
Speaker 2: isn't just an immature young guy saying something stupid. He
Speaker 2: knew what he was saying because it was the truth.
Speaker 2: He tried to walk it back. This year's gotten weird.
Speaker 2: They clearly tried to force feed them the ball, which
Speaker 2: I have I'd forced feed him the ball too, but
Speaker 2: like it's not in the like you watch the Vikings
Speaker 2: with Justin Jefferson. He's just their best player and they
Speaker 2: just give him the ball a lot because he's a
Speaker 2: great player. Jamar Chase the AJ Brown thing kind of
Speaker 2: feel it's weird because they got all these other options,
Speaker 2: but they know that he can be obviously a little
Speaker 2: fickle with his emotions, you know, and it's it's hard
Speaker 2: for him to hold him in because at this point
Speaker 2: in time, he's on like his fourth contract, so he's
Speaker 2: made an ungodly amount of money. He's a super Bowl champ,
Speaker 2: he's an All proic, He's he's checked all the rest. Now,
Speaker 2: it was just like he just wants the ball. He's
Speaker 2: just a he's just an emotional receiver.
Speaker 1: Feels like, remember Brandon Graham came back.
Speaker 2: They don't they don't like each other. Essentially, their relationship
Speaker 2: is fractured Jalen and AJ Brown because part of it,
Speaker 2: part of when they traded it for him, is like
Speaker 2: these guys are really good buddies. They've known each other
Speaker 2: and then something happened and it was like, well, it's life.
Speaker 2: You get as you grow up, maybe your relationships aren't
Speaker 2: as tight and you just deal with it. And they
Speaker 2: win the Super Bowl whatever. But then this year it
Speaker 2: feels like immediately it gets a little weird and aj
Speaker 2: brings it back to the surface, can't even hide it.
Speaker 2: And you know, part of it is Jalen, which is
Speaker 2: a good quality. He's like unemotional even today, like with
Speaker 2: the no time left on that final drive. It's just
Speaker 2: this guy's unfazed. I mean sometimes I wish I had
Speaker 2: like his emotional stability. I mean I get angry just podcasting.
Speaker 2: He's just he's just a flatliner. And I wonder sometimes
Speaker 2: in football, like some of our best quarterbacks can be
Speaker 2: a little emotional and Jalen just has none. Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, I mean I was told this by somebody who
Speaker 1: would know that's very connected to that locker room, and
Speaker 1: they said Jalen's not the most pop. Eagle players love
Speaker 1: emotional guys. I mean, I remember years ago, half the
Speaker 1: league thought Westbrook was better than Steph Curry. Steph Curry's married,
Speaker 1: he's quiet, he's not cool. You know, his shoe looks
Speaker 1: like something a pharmacist would wear. Westbrook's cool, he's athletic,
Speaker 1: he's got the music, he's got the game. And Jalen's
Speaker 1: one of those guys. He's got an all female like
Speaker 1: management team. He's not you know, he's not going to
Speaker 1: hire one of your buddies. He's not. He's not one
Speaker 1: of the guys. It's like the old Joe DiMaggio with
Speaker 1: the Yankees. It was like Joe DiMaggio just wasn't one
Speaker 1: of the guys. He was brilliant. Not everybody wants to
Speaker 1: go out and hit it and be wild every night,
Speaker 1: like they just Jalen's very reserved, very mature, very focused,
Speaker 1: and he has a life beyond football. And I and
Speaker 1: I and I love guys like that. But and AJ,
Speaker 1: you know, I get it. When you got a trophy
Speaker 1: and you got the bag, you're looking for legacy. He
Speaker 1: wants to be a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 2: So I kind of defended that, you know, and part
Speaker 2: of being an all time great quarterback because Jalen has
Speaker 2: the opportunity. He's already been to a couple of Super Bowls,
Speaker 2: he's won one, like he's going to be a starter
Speaker 2: for a long time. Is like, by the end of
Speaker 2: Peyton and especially Tom, how could they relate to anybody?
Speaker 2: Yet you never have met anyone that has been in
Speaker 2: the locker room with Tom over the course of like
Speaker 2: the last decade of his career. It wasn't like, yeah,
Speaker 2: he was the easiest guy to deal with. He was
Speaker 2: great anything I needed, he was always he could bow.
Speaker 2: He wasn't going out and drinking beers with him anymore
Speaker 2: or hanging, but he knew exactly how to be a
Speaker 2: I've heard the same thing about Peyton Manning or Philip
Speaker 2: River is a good example. Has had like seven kids
Speaker 2: with three years to go in his career. I know
Speaker 2: multiple people that played with him that said I would
Speaker 2: have run through a wall for his family, let alone
Speaker 2: the guy, like there is a skill to be able
Speaker 2: to and listen. When you get top by Saban like
Speaker 2: that doesn't really matter. You just kind of do what
Speaker 2: he says. Then you get to the NFL and maybe
Speaker 2: it's just an attribute that Jalen's really gonna have to
Speaker 2: focus on just moving forward because it's clearly not his personet,
Speaker 2: which listen, our personality is our personality. But at that position,
Speaker 2: especially if you're not gonna be like Patrick Mahomes, how
Speaker 2: does Patrick Mahomes relate to an undrafted free agent rookie.
Speaker 2: He can't anymore. He's worth five hundred million dollars, But
Speaker 2: ask anyone with the Chiefs. He does right, Yeah, and
Speaker 2: Josh Allen, Now at this point, Mary to some haulay
Speaker 2: like that. You have to do that, Lamar Jackson. I've
Speaker 2: known people that have coached here that just said, people
Speaker 2: love this guy in the locker room. Yeah, he's not
Speaker 2: hanging out with them all. So it is the onus
Speaker 2: is on the player at that position. You've said this forever,
Speaker 2: not about any other positions. You can act like however
Speaker 2: you want as a corner wide receiver, not a quarterback.
Speaker 2: So sometimes you got to go above and beyond and
Speaker 2: just kind of almost fake it, you know, to be
Speaker 2: friends with a guy.
Speaker 1: And Jalen's pretty stoic, you know how. That's his personality.
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Speaker 1: I'm reticent to talk about the Jets, but Dallas beats
Speaker 1: the Jets thirty seven to twenty two. I always judged I.
Speaker 2: Don't think it was that close either. When when I
Speaker 2: turned the game it.
Speaker 1: Felt like forty seven to three. It was awful. I mean,
Speaker 1: it was twenty three to three at half and it
Speaker 1: wasn't that close. No, So the best drive of the
Speaker 1: day for the Jets, I think was the first one
Speaker 1: where they settled for a field goal. It was eleven plays.
Speaker 1: You know, my takeaway is always been when a coach
Speaker 1: is hired, what's his side of the ball. Like their
Speaker 1: defense is bad and it's gotten worse every week. It
Speaker 1: feels like, I mean, the second half was a seven
Speaker 1: on seven drill. It looks like one of those seven
Speaker 1: on seven college drills where you take a really good
Speaker 1: quarterback you know, in high school or college and he
Speaker 1: just boom, boom boom. Dak was terrific. Dak's having his
Speaker 1: best year as a pro because he's having to carry
Speaker 1: a team. And this isn't the zeke top o line
Speaker 1: in the league, Amari Cooper, That's not what this is
Speaker 1: without Ceedee Lamb John I'm not sure they have a
Speaker 1: definitive number two. Their tight ends probably a two to
Speaker 1: a three on most teams. The running backs are absolutely two's.
Speaker 1: The O line is still in a semi rebuild. Tighter
Speaker 1: Smith's great, but this is not. This is not an
Speaker 1: elite head coach, It's not an elite O line, it's
Speaker 1: not an elite roster. I've I've been blown away by Dak.
Speaker 1: I've never thought this highly of Dak. I think again,
Speaker 1: like Jalen Hurts, mature, head down, not highly emotional, an adult.
Speaker 1: Do I want to pay him? When I'm paying him?
Speaker 1: You know what? Right now, Dak's worth his contract, He's
Speaker 1: worth it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, could be the MVP, you know. I think what
Speaker 2: really puts the Jets into perspective is probably no one
Speaker 2: had a bigger question mark next to their name as
Speaker 2: a coach than Brian Schottenheimer. And you just said how
Speaker 2: you're defined as a coach, especially on a team that's
Speaker 2: not great. What does your side of the ball look like? Well,
Speaker 2: he's the offensive play caller. And they've been awesome all
Speaker 2: year awesome, and now they've lost one of the highest
Speaker 2: paid and best wide receivers in the league for several games.
Speaker 2: And like you said, George Pickens is a two, and
Speaker 2: you know, Ferguson solid. I mean, this isn't Michael Irvin
Speaker 2: and Emma Smith walking through the door. And the offensive
Speaker 2: line is definitely a question mark. And the offense like
Speaker 2: it's listen, Brian Schottenheimer's kind of throwing it back to
Speaker 2: back in the day when he was declining head coaching interviews,
Speaker 2: like pretty good offensive coordinator. I kind of know what
Speaker 2: I'm doing, and I've been blown away. I mean their
Speaker 2: team they got very you know, the Packers got very
Speaker 2: lucky a week ago that that ball didn't bounce in
Speaker 2: the air and said to hit the ground. Or the
Speaker 2: Cowboys would be what three and one right now? Or
Speaker 2: I mean they I guess they are two and two.
Speaker 2: They would be they'd be three and two, like they
Speaker 2: would be just good, Like there's be no disputing, Like
Speaker 2: they're just a solid, like they could could they win
Speaker 2: nine games?
Speaker 1: And also the weather in the Northeast and the north
Speaker 1: is beautiful. I was in Chicago over the week as
Speaker 1: Chicago was like eighty degrees. So it's a good time
Speaker 1: to have a good quarterback in this league because you're
Speaker 1: not dealing. You know, we're about four or five weeks
Speaker 1: out from me getting ugly. Dallas is built for good weather,
Speaker 1: they're built for domes. They don't have a number one
Speaker 1: receiver without CD, but they've got enough guys. You know,
Speaker 1: It's funny. I was watching Justin Fields. He's never seen
Speaker 1: the field particularly well, and they don't This coaching staff
Speaker 1: hasn't figured out that. Listen, just use his legs, just
Speaker 1: run him. Seven step drops don't work with him, I
Speaker 1: mean multiple and the Jets pass pro is awful. They
Speaker 1: can't pass protect at all. It's gotten worse again. The
Speaker 1: Jets are getting worse every week. I was reading a
Speaker 1: couple of the Jets beach reporters and they're like, okay,
Speaker 1: I've covered three hundred games. This is rich co type.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is how bad this team is. And
Speaker 1: we're at week five. I mean it's not like they're
Speaker 1: you know, everybody beat up, but Justin Fields has had
Speaker 1: three defensive head coaches and he's just not good enough.
Speaker 1: You know, if you give him McVeigh. Maybe he would
Speaker 1: have gotten a second decent contract, but he's just you know,
Speaker 1: he's the classic athlete, not a quarterback. So but the
Speaker 1: fact that he was with Pittsburgh who couldn't run the ball,
Speaker 1: struggled with their offensive line. But last year I think
Speaker 1: he was was he four and two or he had
Speaker 1: a pretty good record early and you looked at Justin
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, he could get in her contract.
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh got rid of him. Pittsburgh went with old Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1: Because if you go back and if you remember Justin's
Speaker 1: numbers in Pittsburgh, Mike Tomlin replaced him with Russell Wilson.
Speaker 1: We were all like, Justin actually extrapolate those numbers out,
Speaker 1: he'd be like a you know, nine to ten win quarterback. Well,
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh move off that moves off him. It shows you
Speaker 1: the difference between a Steeler team last year that struggled
Speaker 1: offensively and how how bad the coaching and the infrastructure
Speaker 1: is of the Jets. Because Fields looks completely over his skis.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I get that. Maybe they were bidding
Speaker 2: against some other I thought, giving him two years and
Speaker 2: forty million dollars and thirty guaranteed based on his history
Speaker 2: was pretty insane. Like to me, he felt like a
Speaker 2: one year, seven million dollar quarterback just to kind of
Speaker 2: get you through your year one As a coach, I
Speaker 2: do believe though they came in like I understood extending
Speaker 2: Garrett Wilson. Garret Wilson's starter on any team. You know,
Speaker 2: we've seen good wide receivers on shitty teams. It's hard
Speaker 2: to play when no one gets you. The quarterback has
Speaker 2: or gets you. Quarterback gets you the ball. Sauce Gardner,
Speaker 2: if you just ask people around the league or just
Speaker 2: watch football, to me, is living off a reputation from
Speaker 2: several years ago. And as a wise man told me
Speaker 2: in the league, said, you know what changed last year?
Speaker 2: John Why had such a bad season. They started not
Speaker 2: allowing him to just commit pass interference every play. He
Speaker 2: is not Deon Sanders or Revus in terms of a
Speaker 2: foot athlete. He is a long corner like Richard Sherman. Well,
Speaker 2: Richard Sherman is a physical player, like a linebacker, the
Speaker 2: great hitting and tackling corners in league history. Sauce doesn't
Speaker 2: want to tackle and has elite ball skills. Sauce does
Speaker 2: not either. They gave him one hundred million dollars column.
Speaker 2: They had never even coached them, so they came in,
Speaker 2: they had some sexy names, and now you're kind of
Speaker 2: stuck with a guy like that. Not making any places
Speaker 2: does nothing for your team. It's not like he's a
Speaker 2: winning player. And there's no court like, there's not a
Speaker 2: savior coming in this draft. It looks like you're an
Speaker 2: unwatchable team like that. That's when the Saints, they've been bad.
Speaker 2: I've watched the Saints three or four times. They're actually
Speaker 2: kind of entertaining Rasler.
Speaker 1: It's kind of getting there.
Speaker 2: Kellen Moore can call some plays. You're like, okay, listen,
Speaker 2: we're not that talented. At least our head coach brings
Speaker 2: some to the table. Aaron Glenn, I have a lot
Speaker 2: of respect for what he did last year with the Lions.
Speaker 2: I would say this about the Jets, and I'd even
Speaker 2: throw the Raiders in there with my guy Spy Tech
Speaker 2: and Pete Carroll. There are a couple franchises that are
Speaker 2: just hard to overcome that they've been taking down everyone
Speaker 2: for a long time now. And maybe these guys, you know,
Speaker 2: Brady and kind of that crew in Vegas. It is
Speaker 2: not an overnight fix, and there is an ethos. And
Speaker 2: just like a culture that is permeated through the building
Speaker 2: and the walls and the Jets and the Raiders, it's
Speaker 2: hard to shake because guys leave you they excel. You
Speaker 2: bring guys in, they get worse. You bring incredible coaches
Speaker 2: or young energy, it still looks the same. And I'm
Speaker 2: watching the Jets and the Raiders and I just go, God,
Speaker 2: these teams are just They're terrible. I mean, they feel
Speaker 2: like they have no hope. The rosters are bad. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I just the Cowboys. I mean when Dak Prescott's looking
Speaker 2: like Tom Radio paidon Manning in his prime against you
Speaker 2: with no CD lamb, I mean, that's this is a
Speaker 2: pretty low point. I mean, and the Giants now feels
Speaker 2: like they're not very good again. You know, Dark gave
Speaker 2: them a little hope. It's like, God, the New York
Speaker 2: teams and the Yankees are getting killed. This is you
Speaker 2: better hope. Mike Brown coach up the Knicks. You know.
Speaker 1: It's interesting the one franchise in New York that isn't impatient,
Speaker 1: that doesn't blow it up is the It's also easily
Speaker 1: the most successful franchise and all they get is heat
Speaker 1: from their fans. And you know, Cash Ben's been there
Speaker 1: thirty years, you know, I think eight years for Aaron Boone.
Speaker 1: But their take is, you know, the upstairs sets the lineup.
Speaker 1: It's analytics. The Yankees don't make moves. They're patient to
Speaker 1: a fault. The truth is, if Garrett Cole was healthy,
Speaker 1: they didn't have a chance to get, you know, to
Speaker 1: the America League Championship Series. They just I'm not sure
Speaker 1: they have the pitching. They've gotten boxed and back to
Speaker 1: back games by Toronto. Yeah, so you know, New York
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Speaker 1: I want to talk about the Colts beat the Raiders.
Speaker 1: This was my favorite pick of the week. Got this
Speaker 1: one forty to six. Coltspeed the Raiders. I will die
Speaker 1: on this hill. I think the Colts have a top
Speaker 1: six roster in the league. I love their offensive line.
Speaker 1: I think they have stars. I don't care if it's Pittman, Warren,
Speaker 1: Jonathan Taylor's outstanding. He just doesn't He's not a you
Speaker 1: know Saquon Barkley is. You know, you get these running
Speaker 1: backs who stylistically they pop. And Jonathan Taylor was always
Speaker 1: just a speed guy out of college. He wasn't shifty.
Speaker 1: He was like, uh oh, like track guy. Just oh
Speaker 1: behind that offensive line. I swear to God, John like,
Speaker 1: it's just he three yards before he gets touched. I
Speaker 1: don't know what Pete Carroll's fascination. That's nine picks and
Speaker 1: six games for Gino in his last six games. I
Speaker 1: think it's something like that. Six touchdowns and nine picks
Speaker 1: this year. Six touchdowns, nine picks for Gino. That is
Speaker 1: the Geno comeback Story's over. It's the opposite of what
Speaker 1: Pete Carroll likes. He is so much about clean football. Run,
Speaker 1: run the game, run the ball. I think the Raiders
Speaker 1: are just a big work in progress. When Colton Miller
Speaker 1: gets hurt o line, it's just one of the worst
Speaker 1: five in the league. But you look at the Colts,
Speaker 1: I mean, the Chiefs will probably beat the Jags tomorrow.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I look at the Colts like I
Speaker 1: look at Tampa. Now, Baker's better than Daniel Jones, But
Speaker 1: coaches who some people started doubting, you know, like stiking
Speaker 1: with Anthony Richardson. Oh Stikins lost his magic. But that
Speaker 1: Tampa roster when healthy, that Colts roster. I know they're
Speaker 1: a middle of the country, flyover country. I think the
Speaker 1: cults are good. I really do.
Speaker 2: DJ had to pass a touchdown where he rolled out
Speaker 2: and everyone's gonna be it's the Raiders. It's not about
Speaker 2: the opponent. Where he was just on the move guy
Speaker 2: in the back of the end zone. He split it
Speaker 2: through a defender. You know, I've always compared him to
Speaker 2: Alex Smith. He's got a better arm than Alex Smith,
Speaker 2: no question. His arm actually is better than I thought.
Speaker 2: And sometimes it just takes you with a credible offense
Speaker 2: to really get to see that arm talent. It's pretty
Speaker 2: You watch Baker and Samuel like these guys can sling it.
Speaker 2: You're watching Daniel Jones in twenty twenty five, I would
Speaker 2: have said forever he's got an average to below average arm,
Speaker 2: Like his arm is more than strong enough. Not Josh Allen,
Speaker 2: but it's he's even that thing in there. And I'm
Speaker 2: a big guy to me. The Warren pick looks fantastic.
Speaker 2: He has been easily one of the best rookies in
Speaker 2: the league. I mean, obviously the Raiders are bad, but
Speaker 2: I would say the Colts. John, I think the Colts
Speaker 2: can win a playoff game. I mean, I think the
Speaker 2: Colts can be a factor in the AFC, especially now
Speaker 2: it's definitely opening more up right.
Speaker 1: They are the most efficient offense in the league. They
Speaker 1: went eight for ten on third down, so they become
Speaker 1: an incredibly efficient offense. John, they had the ball only
Speaker 1: twenty six minutes. They scored forty points. No offense in
Speaker 1: this league is more efficient. I know going into the
Speaker 1: Rams game, Daniel Jones is twenty to twenty nine. So
Speaker 1: it's like we look at Baker and Sam.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's really.
Speaker 1: The store this year is the story of redemption. I mean,
Speaker 1: Baker leads his division, Sam's great, Daniel Jones, it's.
Speaker 2: I do wonder if you got Shane Stike in over
Speaker 2: Cocktails and Ballard, if they knew, like when they truly
Speaker 2: was it a week into training camp? It's not even
Speaker 2: this isn't even a close competition. Did they know before
Speaker 2: training camp? Just based on they did?
Speaker 1: I think they did. I had listen. I was talking
Speaker 1: to Steve Kayen about a year ago and we were
Speaker 1: out and I said, what do you make Anthony Richardson
Speaker 1: And Steve Steve said, man, Colin, he said, you got
Speaker 1: to be able to hit those layups in the flat
Speaker 1: and he said, you know, I looked at some of
Speaker 1: the film and he's like, you know, if anybody can
Speaker 1: do it, Shane Steiken can fix it. But kyme and
Speaker 1: I were talking about it, and he just said, you know,
Speaker 1: if you have to work on that stuff, if you're
Speaker 1: spending a lot of practice time on that stuff, it's
Speaker 1: really hard. And because you know generally with with with Baker,
Speaker 1: you're you're dealing with high end stuff. Baker solved all
Speaker 1: that stuff with Baker's it can be concepts and defense.
Speaker 1: You're not worried about the layup stuff. So and then
Speaker 1: I talked to somebody else, a GM, an active GM
Speaker 1: in the league, and he echoed what Steve Kaiman told me.
Speaker 1: It's just like, Gosh, if you're struggling with the underneath stuff.
Speaker 1: You know, you're spending a lot of time on that.
Speaker 1: You have to spend so much time on that to
Speaker 1: get that right, but then you're not really that's elementary
Speaker 1: stuff in the league. You're not dealing with the second
Speaker 1: and third and fourth level stuff. You also can't call
Speaker 1: a game that you want to call in the NFL.
Speaker 1: I remember I got off the phone with this GM
Speaker 1: in the league and my take was, well, God, if
Speaker 1: if I don't trust a guy to throw a downfield,
Speaker 1: I can't call the same game. I just eliminated thirty
Speaker 1: five percent of the playbook. So I think with Daniel Jones,
Speaker 1: you can use the whole playbook. That's the difference.
Speaker 2: Isn't it crazy? You know, the redemption season, even watching
Speaker 2: Carson Wentz with Kevin O'Connell, it's like he actually doesn't
Speaker 2: look that terrible, you know. I mean it's like this
Speaker 2: the power of some of these offensive coordinators. That also,
Speaker 2: because what are usually offensive coordinators are head coaches have
Speaker 2: pretty good skill guys around them, Right, Kevin O'Connell, they
Speaker 2: got a pretty loaded roster, you know, Shane Sich. They've
Speaker 2: invested some picks and some money into the offensive skill guys. Right,
Speaker 2: you play for Shanahan, you play for McVeigh, you play
Speaker 2: for lafleor Like they emphasize that side of the ball
Speaker 2: in terms of people, you know, the wide receivers, the
Speaker 2: running backs, the tight ends, these guys look a lot
Speaker 2: better than some of the franchise that failed them. I mean,
Speaker 2: you go back to the Giants, I mean, Daniel Jones
Speaker 2: was horrendous. I get asked a lot like, is this
Speaker 2: gonna if Daniel Jones? I mean, is in the MVP
Speaker 2: conversation this team wins thirteen or fourteen games? Clear the
Speaker 2: Giants aren't. Were they gonna win five games? And listen,
Speaker 2: it was time for a breakup. I didn't blame them,
Speaker 2: it was not working. But this is one of those
Speaker 2: things like, oh, ultimately Saquon Barkley is much better with
Speaker 2: the great offensive line. But if I'm you know, the
Speaker 2: Giants ownership, I paid my head coach, who's the play caller.
Speaker 2: I know he's kind of bounced around being the play caller,
Speaker 2: but he's an offensive guy to fix that position. And
Speaker 2: this guy we had this guy. Hell, we paid this
Speaker 2: guy and then he goes to another offensive coordinator as
Speaker 2: the head coach and looks like Sam Darnolds with Baker May.
Speaker 1: How's that possible?
Speaker 2: You know? How can that happen? This guy is going
Speaker 2: to get I mean, change Psyching and Chris Ballard are
Speaker 2: going to get contract extensions. I would imagine before the
Speaker 2: playoffs start, it's going that well, well, so.
Speaker 1: The airth thing is and we have you know, it's
Speaker 1: the elephant in the room. There's been multiple reports that
Speaker 1: have surfaced the last couple of years Chris Ballard in
Speaker 1: the front office, Jim Orsay had relapsed into some really
Speaker 1: problematic behavior and this stuff. You know, I think Chris
Speaker 1: Ballard will never will never ever say it, maybe to
Speaker 1: his wife. There was I think it was exhausting and
Speaker 1: energy sapping for the entire organization to deal with an
Speaker 1: owner who was beloved in the community but was going
Speaker 1: through some really tumultuous personal times and so and I
Speaker 1: said this at the time when he passed away. Two
Speaker 1: things can be true. You can love somebody and be
Speaker 1: broken hearted, but you also think to yourself, it'll be
Speaker 1: a less chaotic organization upstairs. And I think Balller's really good.
Speaker 1: I think Stiking's really good. I mean the last several years,
Speaker 1: go look at the last two or three drafts, they've
Speaker 1: had great players in the first round fall to them.
Speaker 1: Like remember the draft where everybody, I think Baller got
Speaker 1: the first defensive player taken in the draft, the UCLA edge,
Speaker 1: who was the best pass rusher in the league fell
Speaker 1: to him at like fifteenth and he was laughing about it.
Speaker 1: They had a camera on him.
Speaker 2: He's like, we just got the best pass rush. We
Speaker 2: didn't even move up.
Speaker 1: And then Warren, you know, is available. So I think
Speaker 1: my take is problems Earla's upstairs number. When the Athletic
Speaker 1: the subscription service about two weeks ago, I talked about
Speaker 1: it on my show. They had the best ten front
Speaker 1: offices in the league based on GMS and coaches, and
Speaker 1: it might as well have been the top ten teams
Speaker 1: in the league. Is this college football? This is why
Speaker 1: Belichick struggling. College football is about talent recruiting. If you
Speaker 1: can recruit, you can hide a lot of problems. The
Speaker 1: NFL is about upstairs and a great scheming coach. Saula
Speaker 1: is a very good schemer. Suddenly Fred Warner and a
Speaker 1: bunch of dudes look great and I and so I
Speaker 1: think if you have Ballered upstairs and Shane Steike and
Speaker 1: scheming and the coach and the quarterback is capable, you're
Speaker 1: gonna win the AFC South. It's not a very good division.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I also think you know everyone and in the
Speaker 2: NFL goes through adversity, you get an injury, you know,
Speaker 2: something happens. Help coaches I've saw get you know, get sick,
Speaker 2: get cancer. Who knows all sorts of crazy stuff happens.
Speaker 2: I would say Andrew Luck randomly retiring when no one
Speaker 2: saw coming is one of the most traumatic events. Just
Speaker 2: like in life, there are certain things that are that
Speaker 2: are easier to come back from that. That event had
Speaker 2: ripple effects on the franchise for a long long time,
Speaker 2: and most teams could not have overcome that. And they've tried.
Speaker 2: They actually kind of they have not been embarrassing, but
Speaker 2: they finally found like they been ban dating it Philip
Speaker 2: Rivers to Matt Ryan, and they finally found a younger player.
Speaker 2: You know the thing with Philip Rivers and Matt Ryan,
Speaker 2: like it was over for those guys, right, and then
Speaker 2: they took this swing on Anthony Richardson, who's just not
Speaker 2: a good player, right, Yeah, So they got Daniel Jones,
Speaker 2: who I think we're honestly on one of the great runs.
Speaker 2: I remember being around the Raiders a lot, and they
Speaker 2: talked about Jim Plunkett, I mean, one of the craziest
Speaker 2: redemption stories of all time, right, high pick Heisman Trophy
Speaker 2: and then wins the Super Bowl. But that, for a
Speaker 2: long period of time didn't really happen. In the NFL.
Speaker 2: It was a lot of paid Mannings and Eli Mannings
Speaker 2: and Roethlisberger's Like Philip Rivers, you were drafted high, Carson Palmer,
Speaker 2: and you were good, you know, and if you stunk,
Speaker 2: you were just bad. And now we got these guys
Speaker 2: who were just really bad went through who are just thriving,
Speaker 2: and we got these mid round of late round picks
Speaker 2: kicking ass and taking names. I mean, look at Mac Jones,
Speaker 2: who just kind of all of a sudden, this guy's
Speaker 2: terrible to just had one of the great Thursday night
Speaker 2: performances in the league. Three. So it's just it's a time.
Speaker 2: It's a great time to be a quarterback with some talent,
Speaker 2: because you're gonna get opportunity.
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Speaker 1: the Saints beat the Giants twenty six fourteen Jackson Dart
Speaker 1: twenty six to forty couple hundred yards. Giants first two
Speaker 1: drives were really good. And then and I don't think
Speaker 1: I've ever seen this, they had five straight possessions with
Speaker 1: turnovers and the Saints went on a twenty three on
Speaker 1: an unanswered point run. I wrote a couple of things. Now,
Speaker 1: Malik Neighbors wasn't there, Tyrone Tracy the running back for
Speaker 1: the Giants, So they're not great to begin with. They
Speaker 1: didn't have a lot of their juice. And next week
Speaker 1: the Giants now play Thursday against the Eagles off a loss,
Speaker 1: so you know they're one in four is one and five.
Speaker 1: But you know, I watched Spencer Ratler, and I've been
Speaker 1: doing this this year. I've been watching because it's supposed
Speaker 1: to be a strong quarterback draft. We'll get into that
Speaker 1: it's not as strong as we thought. But Rattler was
Speaker 1: good on third down twenty to thirty. He's always had
Speaker 1: a nice arm. That's never been a question. He I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's a power arm, but it's a
Speaker 1: I would say he's kind of an easy thrower. But
Speaker 1: I watched Spencer Rattlers today, and I'm not sure the
Speaker 1: Saints draft the quarterback. I'm not sure they do. What
Speaker 1: do you make of it?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I mean they just drafted the guy
Speaker 2: who's like forty years old, the rookie, and Spencer Ratler
Speaker 2: beat him out pretty easily, I would imagine. I've I've
Speaker 2: been really impressed with the Saints on offense. They are
Speaker 2: good on offense. It's defensively, they don't have much talent
Speaker 2: and most weeks they have no chance to stop anybody.
Speaker 2: Like you said, I mean, they cost five turnovers. Some
Speaker 2: of them are like punched out of Scataboo's hands, like
Speaker 2: that's not happening most weeks. But their offense has not
Speaker 2: been the problem. I don't think. Listen, I watched a
Speaker 2: lot of football on Saturday most weeks like you do.
Speaker 2: I do not see a lot of Saviors coming into
Speaker 2: the lague next year, so I who knows. I mean,
Speaker 2: this draft is pretty open. It doesn't feel even like
Speaker 2: that potent of a draft. So I think a lot
Speaker 2: of these quarterbacks that are on bad teams are going
Speaker 2: to continue to get to play. And if you need
Speaker 2: an answer at that spot, you're in some trouble because
Speaker 2: you know, you better hope to hit, you know, strike
Speaker 2: oil in the third or fourth round with one of
Speaker 2: these random guys. But for every Dak Prescott and Brock Purty,
Speaker 2: most guys are like Tyler Shuck. They get drafted in
Speaker 2: the second, third round, you never see anything of them.
Speaker 2: The history of the league is not a bunch of
Speaker 2: third round ers thriving in the NFL.
Speaker 1: No, No, it's people always I've heard this before. Oh
Speaker 1: it's such a coin flip. Now, your best your best
Speaker 1: offensive tackles, your best defensive tackles, your best quarterbacks are
Speaker 1: all overwhelmingly first round guys. I mean, Jalen Hurts, Drew Brees.
Speaker 1: There are occasional guys that dropped the top of the second,
Speaker 1: but I mean, there's a reason we all know what
Speaker 1: round Tom Brady was drafted him. You know, there's a
Speaker 1: reason we know that Dak went in the fourth round,
Speaker 1: like there's a reason because it didn't happen very often.
Speaker 1: You know, there's a couple of college things I wanted
Speaker 1: to talk about with you, because again I didn't think
Speaker 1: one of the downsides to the NFL being quarterback reliant.
Speaker 1: If you don't have a quarterback, you're out of it
Speaker 1: by week five. I mean, the Jets and the Giants
Speaker 1: are out of it. It's over. They're just they can't compete.
Speaker 1: The outther thing is when you have so many games,
Speaker 1: like I think these dual Monday night football games are ridiculous.
Speaker 1: Nobody likes it. Well, it also takes another game out
Speaker 1: of the Sunday rotation. So you know, again, if you
Speaker 1: had to put Rams Niners today in the late window
Speaker 1: along with the Seahawks Buccaneers, you'd had one of the
Speaker 1: great late windows in recent memory.
Speaker 2: Right, business sense behind the doubleheader because they're clearly doing it?
Speaker 2: Are they just trying to?
Speaker 1: Amazon just paid a billion dollars for very few games,
Speaker 1: So I get that. I understand Amazon. You want to
Speaker 1: get a streamer in, but it takes her. Really, they
Speaker 1: usually put a pretty good game up, so Amazon gives
Speaker 1: you that money. Amazon's like, we'll do it, but we
Speaker 1: want winning teams. Remember when they first started Thursdays and
Speaker 1: the Thursday games, oh mostly sucked and then kind of
Speaker 1: quietly Fox did it for about a year. Remember that
Speaker 1: Fox did it for a very brief time, got out
Speaker 1: bit eventually by Amazon, but foxed it for about a
Speaker 1: year and the games got better. And you know the
Speaker 1: reason I think it got better under Fox. This is
Speaker 1: my guess is I watched the Fox schedule for about
Speaker 1: a year. I forget how long Fox had it. It
Speaker 1: wasn't very long. But you started seeing division matchups, which
Speaker 1: are easier because the teams don't have to travel as
Speaker 1: far and they're built in rivalries, So Ravens Steelers or
Speaker 1: Bucks Falcons, it's not as disruptive Enners, right. So that
Speaker 1: then the NFL looked at it and thought, you know,
Speaker 1: this whole thing we did on Fox, it kind of
Speaker 1: makes sense, like, don't have multiple time zone differences on
Speaker 1: these short week games, which is how it started. And
Speaker 1: then Amazon's like, okay, we like, we like the way
Speaker 1: you're doing it now, and we want more good games.
Speaker 1: So they're putting pretty interesting games. If you go to
Speaker 1: these Thursday games, there's always at least one star quarterback.
Speaker 1: So you take Matt Stafford out of Sunday, well, okay,
Speaker 1: Matt Stafford's great, and you know, then you do a
Speaker 1: dual Monday. Okay, well you take really good quarterbacks out
Speaker 1: of Sunday. So I mean today, I mean there were
Speaker 1: three or four games I wanted to watch and I
Speaker 1: mean like, and there was half of the lineup. I
Speaker 1: mean Minnesota, Cleveland, you know, Cincinnati, Detroit, Arizona, Tennessee. Either
Speaker 1: it was a mismatch or it's lobsided, So I don't
Speaker 1: like it at all. I thought Saturday was once again fascinating,
Speaker 1: So there was always this kind of feeling. The SEC
Speaker 1: would always say, hey, man, the reason this is such
Speaker 1: a great conference anybody can beat anybody. Well, well, Ucla
Speaker 1: beat Penn State forty two to thirty seven. So I
Speaker 1: don't hear SEC fans saying, you know, they look at
Speaker 1: the Big Ten is weakness. Well, you used to always
Speaker 1: pat yourself in the back because the eight seed would
Speaker 1: beat the number two seed. And my takeaway was, I've
Speaker 1: always been a James Franklin supporter, but this is one
Speaker 1: of the things that makes the Big Ten tough. In
Speaker 1: the SEC, everybody's in the same time zone. You're asking
Speaker 1: Oregon to go all the way cross country, and now
Speaker 1: you're asking Penn State to go all the way cross country.
Speaker 1: I watched Washington play Maryland. Washington was asleep in the
Speaker 1: first half, didn't wake up until the late third quarter,
Speaker 1: and then the offense looked great, but they just got
Speaker 1: beat up by Ohio State had to travel three thousand miles,
Speaker 1: and then I'm watching UCLA and Penn State. Penn State
Speaker 1: didn't wake up until midway through the third You're asking
Speaker 1: these college kids, you're traveling cross country. You don't travel
Speaker 1: nearly as well as the NFL does. You don't stand
Speaker 1: in the kind of hotels, you don't bring in twenty
Speaker 1: six trainers. The NFL now travels john as you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like Stan at the Rich Carlton going
Speaker 1: to a spa six hours a day. So I think
Speaker 1: what makes the Big Ten the problematic for these coastal
Speaker 1: teams is you're gonna get some of these games in
Speaker 1: the middle of the season. Off a huge Oregon game,
Speaker 1: Penn State cross country was just no juice. That was
Speaker 1: my take on it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think it's twofold one. I think Penn
Speaker 2: State had treated that Oregon game like their super Bowl.
Speaker 2: That was going to be a season defining game because
Speaker 2: if we beat this team, we finally get that you know,
Speaker 2: kind of monkey off our back. We beat a top
Speaker 2: team who's not as good as they had been in
Speaker 2: theory because they're a much younger we should win this game.
Speaker 2: It's at night, and then they lose. So the way
Speaker 2: they had built the schedule leading into that game was
Speaker 2: a joke. Right They were playing FIU Nevada, and then
Speaker 2: they lose that game in dramatic fashion. Almost felt like
Speaker 2: they had checked out. So you show up long cross
Speaker 2: country against my guy, Tim Skipper, Fresno State, guy that
Speaker 2: takes over for Sean Foster, who's Tim Skipper's brother, is
Speaker 2: the running back coach for the Bills. His dad's a
Speaker 2: longtime NFL coach, just gonna bring them juice. Jerry Neuheisel,
Speaker 2: who's been at UCLA as a player and a coach forever.
Speaker 2: They just kind of had a fuck it mentality, and
Speaker 2: they unleashed Nico as a runner. And Penn State's just
Speaker 2: coming off this game that was their super Bowl, lost
Speaker 2: it and let's face it, no chance they had a
Speaker 2: great week of practice. I don't believe that for a second,
Speaker 2: which I understand because when you build something up anything
Speaker 2: in the life.
Speaker 1: Of young kids with twenty two year olds.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so then all of a sudden they were down.
Speaker 2: If that game was six quarters, Penn State would have
Speaker 2: came back and won the game, right, But they were
Speaker 2: down and then all of a sudden, their quarterback's pretty overrated, right,
Speaker 2: I mean that's I mean, it wasn't his fault. They
Speaker 2: lost the game. The defense wasn't jo John.
Speaker 1: When I watched Drew Aller, there's not a lot of
Speaker 1: juice to it. He doesn't have a lot of he does,
Speaker 1: doesn't have great instincts. He's not inspiring, he didn't have
Speaker 1: tons of energy. He's just a big, strong kid. But
Speaker 1: when I thought that was a game where you sort
Speaker 1: of needed your quarterback, say, fellas, get on my back.
Speaker 2: Nico was doing that. Nico was doing that running guys over.
Speaker 2: It was. It's just a fan of football, and I
Speaker 2: grew up actually a pretty big UCLA fan. My cousin
Speaker 2: was a walk on there in the in the late
Speaker 2: nineties and early two thousands. That had to be the
Speaker 2: coolest Ucla moment in football in ten fifteen years. Well,
Speaker 2: remember when Josh rosenbat A and M yep.
Speaker 1: I remember they came back at halftime, Similarly, not a
Speaker 1: lot of fans in the stands and they beat Texas
Speaker 1: A and M, and it was like forty four forty one.
Speaker 1: It was just wild football game. But I don't know,
Speaker 1: I like James Franklin, but I think he's a great
Speaker 1: energy guy and a great recruiter.
Speaker 2: But I think it's over after that moment. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's it's one thing to lose to Oregon, which it
Speaker 2: sucks because he's lost that game a lot, but you know,
Speaker 2: they lose in overtime. They literally right there. They were
Speaker 2: just in the final four. But you can't lose to
Speaker 2: UCLA as a twenty five that is, you know, I
Speaker 2: think USC losing to Harbaugh and Stanford was more out
Speaker 2: of left field. Right that was in the peak of
Speaker 2: the Harball of the Dynasty. Stanford was an embarrassment. I
Speaker 2: think they had just been one to eleven to Vita Pritchard.
Speaker 2: They were forty point underdogs. This might even be crazier though,
Speaker 2: because of the hype that was around this team, even
Speaker 2: though they just lost to Oregon. I mean, I didn't
Speaker 2: think maybe they would cover because it was twenty five points.
Speaker 2: But if you said, what would you guess to score
Speaker 2: forty five to twenty five or something? Colin Penn State
Speaker 2: Jim Knowles, the guy that they took from Ohio State,
Speaker 2: is the highest paid defensive coordinator in the country. That's
Speaker 2: what Penn State just paid the defensive coordinator to come.
Speaker 2: Ucla had scored fifty seven points to start the season.
Speaker 2: They just scored forty two. They scored fifty seven points.
Speaker 2: Nico had become kind of a running joke. He left
Speaker 2: all this money at Tennessee to come to this bad program.
Speaker 2: And you talk about inspiring, like how many runs? He's
Speaker 2: just running over guys. He looked like Cam Newton meets
Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson. He was. If he had played like that
Speaker 2: over the course early on against with UCLA, they clearly
Speaker 2: would have been in more games. I mean, it was
Speaker 2: just to me there was the human element too. I mean,
Speaker 2: I loved Tim Skipper, I've known him forever. But they're
Speaker 2: seeing Rick new heisl who had coached at UCLA, watching
Speaker 2: his son who had played there, and now, you know,
Speaker 2: as an assistant coach calling place. Jerry new Heizel found
Speaker 2: out he was calling plays like Tuesday night.
Speaker 1: You know, it's been very chao practices.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been very chaotic in that program. Just I
Speaker 2: mean the coaches that probably includes like seven total coaches
Speaker 2: right now, what a I mean the Rose Bowl. It
Speaker 2: feels like they've sold signage all over the place because
Speaker 2: they know people won't show up. The whole thing's boarded off.
Speaker 2: Remember those old Raider games and like the twenty years
Speaker 2: ago that would used to be blacked out. They Mount
Speaker 2: Davis was all tarped off. That's what the Rose Bull
Speaker 2: feels like. I if buyouts did not exist, I would say,
Speaker 2: if you told me James Franklin was fired this morning,
Speaker 2: I would have believed you. But obviously the buyouts, the
Speaker 2: fifty million. It does feel like it's at the point
Speaker 2: in time like I saw someone comparing it to Calipari.
Speaker 2: You know, Calipari eventually just kind of leaves. You know,
Speaker 2: James Franklin, it's kind of like John Harbaugh. Like if
Speaker 2: it's John hart, no one thinks John Harball. Or when
Speaker 2: people say it was a time for Mike Tomlin. These
Speaker 2: guys are bad coaches. You put James Franklin at one Florida,
Speaker 2: he'd be fine, he'd win, was he is he Saban
Speaker 2: or Kirby. No, But like maybe it's just run its course.
Speaker 2: He's been there twelve years and the resume speaks for itself.
Speaker 2: Last year was his opportunity and Alur throws that ball
Speaker 2: across his body and they lose a Notre Dame or
Speaker 2: else they're in the national championship. Yep. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I think the Calipari comp is spot on, is
Speaker 1: that you know, John could still coach, but when you're
Speaker 1: a Gant, when you're a dominating recruiter, the expectations ramp
Speaker 1: up because that's US now so transparent, there's so many sites,
Speaker 1: and fans get so worked up. The expectations ramp up.
Speaker 1: You know, Mark Fuo has told me that he because
Speaker 1: it's the great thing about Gonzaga. He goes, I can
Speaker 1: get three star recruits. He goes, if I went to
Speaker 1: UCLA and I recruited the exact same class I did
Speaker 1: at Gonzaga, I get heat. And he goes, yeah, but
Speaker 1: that's our system. It works for our system and our players,
Speaker 1: and we keep getting to, you know, the tournament and
Speaker 1: winning games. You go to these big schools, fans pay
Speaker 1: attention to that recruiting and they go crazy when you
Speaker 1: get it. But then you got to win all these games.
Speaker 2: Chris Peterson's a great example, right the team he had
Speaker 2: at Boise. If he had at UCLA or he had
Speaker 2: a Washington, they would have loved crushed, but they would
Speaker 2: have hated the They would have loved the team, but
Speaker 2: they would have hated the classes as the kids were
Speaker 2: coming right. Maybe like Kellen Moore, we don't want this
Speaker 2: guy as our quarterback. We want arch Manning.
Speaker 1: One more college topic. Florida beat Texas Billy Napier. Every
Speaker 1: every time you think he's done, he pulls one out.
Speaker 1: They beat Texas and arch Manning twenty nine to twenty one.
Speaker 1: So and they have four new offensive linemen at Texas.
Speaker 1: The past protection is not great. But I got to
Speaker 1: tell you I sat there and watch arch Manning. He
Speaker 1: holds onto the ball way too long and he doesn't
Speaker 1: have a great instinctive feel. When I watched him this weekend,
Speaker 1: there were a couple of moments John where I thought
Speaker 1: the game was in his head, like he like double
Speaker 1: pumped on stuff, or he looked almost mechanical. He was
Speaker 1: afraid to take a big shot down the field. And
Speaker 1: you know it's I don't want to be too harsh.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure arch Manning. You know, there were some
Speaker 1: when he came out that said he went to a
Speaker 1: small school, he dominated average competition, but I've not really seen.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's got a great he moves well, he's
Speaker 1: got the body. He's got the name, but there is
Speaker 1: something to be said about he's still young. About there's
Speaker 1: an it. You know, some guys just they you get
Speaker 1: him the ball and there's a confidence and there's an it.
Speaker 1: This Texas team, you know, the stark For all the criticism,
Speaker 1: you know, he wins a lot of games. They're not
Speaker 1: a good football team now.
Speaker 2: Well, I think if you go back fifteen twenty years ago,
Speaker 2: a guy like Arch gets several seasons. I think in
Speaker 2: the day and age where you're paying so much money
Speaker 2: to individual players, I think his spots in major jeopardy
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty six, you just pay too much for
Speaker 2: the roster to leave it in the chance of seems
Speaker 2: like a good guy. Obviously, his uncles are legends. Like
Speaker 2: this isn't Peyton or Eli Son, this is Cooper's And
Speaker 2: if you removed he threw a beautiful, like deep bomb
Speaker 2: for a touchdown, you remove that play. I thought he
Speaker 2: was mostly atrocious yesterday, Yes, yeah, And this is they
Speaker 2: played Florida. You know they didn't just play you know,
Speaker 2: Georgia Obama. So they still A and M looks excellent
Speaker 2: and you know Elko is known now with Saban retiring
Speaker 2: right there with Kirby is like the best defensive coordinator
Speaker 2: in the in the country. So this could get even weirder,
Speaker 2: and it's like, well, the kind of a transition year,
Speaker 2: there are no transition years anymore at the top programs
Speaker 2: with the money. Ask Oregon, we're in a transition year.
Speaker 2: We bought it and we're moving and in that.
Speaker 1: Place they had to replace eleven offensive starters Oregon and
Speaker 1: they're great.
Speaker 2: So to me, I would say, I would say Arch's
Speaker 2: positions in major jeopardy in twenty twenty six because their mentality.
Speaker 2: Wouldn't you agree with the amount of money you're paying
Speaker 2: for a roster and a coaching staff and the transfer
Speaker 2: portal now is to compete for national championships every single
Speaker 2: year and you don't get like a three year runway
Speaker 2: like out the Drew Aller experience that this is his
Speaker 2: third year pretty rare, but by his second year, you know,
Speaker 2: they were in the basically the final four. I don't
Speaker 2: know that Arch is getting a second year, you know.
Speaker 2: And I bet there would be some people that said, well,
Speaker 2: what if we had transitioned last year? I mean, there
Speaker 2: are people in Penn State saying we shouldn't have let
Speaker 2: the backup go to Missouri. We should have gone with
Speaker 2: that guy over Drew Aller. But these are the type
Speaker 2: questions you asked when you're at the top programs and
Speaker 2: you have access to all the sweet players. Right, So
Speaker 2: if they go eight and four and he continues to
Speaker 2: look like this, I just don't see him as a
Speaker 2: quarterback in twenty twenty six. I really don't. And that's
Speaker 2: just how this thing works. It's because you basically can
Speaker 2: cut a guy, slash, move on from a guy, force
Speaker 2: him out. Remember a couple of years ago at Ohio
Speaker 2: State when they basically blamed it all on Kyle McCord.
Speaker 2: It's different because McCord's last name is not Manning. But again,
Speaker 2: like this pretty cutthroat now. I mean, as you hear
Speaker 2: these Lane Kiffin, it's become very transactional. You either get
Speaker 2: it done or you're done. And they're like Kyle McCord.
Speaker 2: They blamed everything on Kyle McCord for losing the Michigan Ironically,
Speaker 2: they lost to Michigan again. Now granted that they won
Speaker 2: the national championship Will Howard, but they just kind of
Speaker 2: force you out. It's not like other people would want them.
Speaker 2: I'm sure, but he his arm talent. That there was
Speaker 2: a throw that Lagway made a deep bomb down the
Speaker 2: middle and you just went, yeah, got the physical attributes
Speaker 2: on this kid are just our eye opening. And then
Speaker 2: you watch Arch. You know, you said he was a
Speaker 2: good runner. They ran a couple like quarterback powers for him.
Speaker 2: He's okay. I mean, he's not Cam Newton or Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 2: So with that letticism, he can't just take over that way.
Speaker 2: He's like Drew Out. He can move a little bit
Speaker 2: and he can bust off some runs, but I wouldn't
Speaker 2: call him a runner. And then watching the arm, he
Speaker 2: misses a lot of layups too. That's that's part of
Speaker 2: the problem. So the layups and Sarks getting guys open.
Speaker 1: Yes, Sarks always gotten guys open, and he not only
Speaker 1: misses layups. But when you watch him sometimes you're not
Speaker 1: quite sure he's got the right arm angle or the mechanics.
Speaker 1: Like some of it looks bad. It just doesn't look right.
Speaker 1: It's it's you know again, Dante Moore can spin it,
Speaker 1: he can miss and you're like, you know, like Sam
Speaker 1: Darnold could throw a pick and you still like the delivery,
Speaker 1: you like the velocity, like I don't know.
Speaker 2: I just if his name was Arch middle Cough and
Speaker 2: he was just a five star normal quarterback, not famous.
Speaker 2: Last name is he benched right now?
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Speaker 1: Monday Night football. Kansas City minus three and a half
Speaker 1: at Jacksonville. So Jacksonville's probably the weakest home field advantage
Speaker 1: in the league. I don't trust them in big spots,
Speaker 1: and Trevor Lawrence is always good for a bad pick.
Speaker 1: I think I think I would take Kansas City in this.
Speaker 1: You know, it's one thing to say Kansas City just
Speaker 1: came off this impressive win over Baltimore, but we watched
Speaker 1: Baltimore get housed today at home by Houston, so I
Speaker 1: don't I don't think it was a big win for
Speaker 1: Kansas City. I think by the third quarter, you know,
Speaker 1: they were on cruise control. But my takeaway is adding
Speaker 1: Xavier Worthy opens up the underneath routes for them. I
Speaker 1: think I'd probably take Kansas City to cover, but because
Speaker 1: they don't have a run game, if they do lead,
Speaker 1: it is hard for Kansas City to eat the clock
Speaker 1: up and kind of just squeeze you to death, you know,
Speaker 1: which gives Jacksonville a chance for a backdoor cover. But
Speaker 1: their home fields not much of a home field. I'll
Speaker 1: take the Chiefs by a touchdown. What say you?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm in complete agreement here. I think Kansas City's
Speaker 2: got a little I mean, when you have the success
Speaker 2: they do, almost like the Kevin Durant Warriors, like they
Speaker 2: need extra motivation. Sometimes it's not just the slow start
Speaker 2: kind of woke them up. But now the Chargers have
Speaker 2: all these injuries that they're not going to look the same,
Speaker 2: missing their tackles.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Charges are a mess.
Speaker 2: The Broncos are clearly still figuring it out. You got
Speaker 2: the Ravens now imploding. You think Kansas City is losing
Speaker 2: sleepover Aaron Rodgers. So the AFC, the Bills, they've played
Speaker 2: them a million times, they beat them every time that
Speaker 2: mattered in the playoffs. They're not intimidated to go to Buffalo.
Speaker 2: I think Kansas City now looks at the AFC goes, God,
Speaker 2: we just win a couple games. We're right back in it.
Speaker 2: This is it's still our conference.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing, Denver win helps the chief side. They
Speaker 1: watched that game and They're all in their hotel room
Speaker 1: tonight in Jacksonville going guys, forget the Chargers and the Raiders,
Speaker 1: we got to keep up with Denver.
Speaker 2: So here's the thing. Jacksonville's defense is clearly pretty good.
Speaker 2: Like that unit is solid. The Trevor Lawrence thing, I
Speaker 2: don't see. I wanted to believe a couple of years ago.
Speaker 2: I'm completely out. You got. Brian Thomas is having a
Speaker 2: weird year. He's banged up. Travis Hunter has been just
Speaker 2: like Miage, is not really working out for what they
Speaker 2: give him. I love Spags in this spot against Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 2: Liam Collins, good offensive coordinator Trevor Lawrence. Even last week
Speaker 2: against Robert Sala, wasn't that good to me? This got
Speaker 2: like a twenty to ten type feel, kind of ugly.
Speaker 2: That's how the Chiefs like to play the volume