WEBVTT - Mike Golic

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<v Speaker 1>This is cut to it with Steve Smith Senior at

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<v Speaker 1>production of The Black Effect and I Heart Radio. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>Steve Smith Senior and I'm John and this is cut

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<v Speaker 1>to it. Good do it, Good do it. Let's getting

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<v Speaker 1>down to do it. Good do it. We asked the

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<v Speaker 1>questions you always want to know, but no one ever asked,

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<v Speaker 1>let's cut to it. You ain't heard them about it?

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<v Speaker 1>Then we're about to let you know. It's all you

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<v Speaker 1>get to go. I'm good to go. All right, cool, cool,

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<v Speaker 1>Let's cut right to it. Man, how you doing? Not

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<v Speaker 1>too bad? How are you? Man? I'm doing great. No complaints. Man. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>so school me on this. This cameo app you got,

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<v Speaker 1>I know it's it's this app right where people can

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<v Speaker 1>make requests for you to do, like these personalized social messages,

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<v Speaker 1>social video messages. How's the work? We're after a long

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<v Speaker 1>period of time, about a year of cameo trying to

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<v Speaker 1>get me to do it. I didn't want to do it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they were recruiting you, you pretty, and I was declining them.

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<v Speaker 1>They reached out a few times. So basically, somebody can

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<v Speaker 1>come on the cameo and the request for me to

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<v Speaker 1>do something. All kinds of athletes, entertainers, every reality stars.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a I think Steve Harvey like four hundred the message. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>it's gotta be some guys hot in that too. Oh

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<v Speaker 1>it's the way my mind works. I'm not really sure

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<v Speaker 1>how to do it, but one I just I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if I want to say, I don't have the time,

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<v Speaker 1>but I want of those guys like I'm I'm either

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<v Speaker 1>hot and I'll do it well I'm cold, and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>like I'm okay, so yeah, and bro, some of this

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<v Speaker 1>stuff that's in there, like okay, what kind of stuff

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<v Speaker 1>do you like? Just just entertaining our listeners for what

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<v Speaker 1>may seem normal for you, but some of us probably

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<v Speaker 1>listen like what that really gets? People ask you with

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<v Speaker 1>these certain things like so I have someone and say, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>requestion the Mother's Day message for my mom, Like of

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<v Speaker 1>course that's cool, right, And most of the time when

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<v Speaker 1>I get someone that sent me something after I record

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<v Speaker 1>always tell them, hey, thank you appreciate if you're allowing

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<v Speaker 1>me to be a part be part of your you

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<v Speaker 1>know whoever that individual special day, because I don't really

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<v Speaker 1>see myself like that. But then there are some people

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<v Speaker 1>like they right, like autobiography like a dissertation. Almost, yeah, dissertation,

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<v Speaker 1>Like you want me to wish somebody happy birthday and

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<v Speaker 1>then you're telling me what seat number they're in as

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<v Speaker 1>they're watching the game. As they're watching the game, and

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<v Speaker 1>then they get pissed at me. But I don't like

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<v Speaker 1>repeat all that. It was like one guy, he wrote

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<v Speaker 1>so much stuff. I literally text on the on the app,

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<v Speaker 1>I said, what do you exactly want me to do?

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<v Speaker 1>Because it was so much He gave you a smort

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<v Speaker 1>board of options. Oh man, I mean it's like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>he's turning thirty, he's turning the age, and may please

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<v Speaker 1>wish him a happy birthday from me. He's a huge

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<v Speaker 1>Panther fan since since their first year on the team.

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<v Speaker 1>Big fan of Smithy would be he's amazing father and husband, cool,

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<v Speaker 1>no problem. And there are some people give me the

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<v Speaker 1>ones that are I got to go back and a

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<v Speaker 1>challenging to you, man, let me go down, let me

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<v Speaker 1>go down yonder. There's somewhere I just gotta block. I

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<v Speaker 1>just can't. I can't do it like I just like,

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<v Speaker 1>I just can't give me a give me crazy one. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>what's funny is every so after you get the um

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<v Speaker 1>wrong black guy like they somebody they give me confused

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<v Speaker 1>with somebody else? Right, somebody just they're like, hey, could

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<v Speaker 1>you Oh my bad, I thought you were Nelly? Hey Rick?

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<v Speaker 1>Can you got my picture of my name? Or you know, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>can you what's the guy? This guy? He's he has

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<v Speaker 1>a YouTube channel, okay, and he wants me to introduce

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<v Speaker 1>him on his YouTube channel. But we don't know what

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<v Speaker 1>YouTube channel is about. That dude can be creep. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. Oh I'm not doing that. No tell him

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<v Speaker 1>what he reviewing? No teller, no telling. I asked somebody.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's this guy says, Hey, Steve, this blank has a

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<v Speaker 1>listener league for fans. I'm trying to win a spot

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<v Speaker 1>using cameos as recommendations. Little humor mixed with your reputation

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<v Speaker 1>as a player and analysts will really help. This is

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<v Speaker 1>something you could do via cameo. He gave you the

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<v Speaker 1>full creative pri I say you want the truth of

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<v Speaker 1>the lie it could be made up. Then saying you

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<v Speaker 1>can win it. When you trold d J. Moore about

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<v Speaker 1>your fantasy line up to kid made me think you're

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<v Speaker 1>good for this. I could put together a loose script

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<v Speaker 1>or something he's got the old graded. Whatever you think

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<v Speaker 1>you can do to build me up, make it sound

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<v Speaker 1>like you know me. I can I get some talking

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<v Speaker 1>points loose script. Here's what I said. Sorry, I'll passed, Thanks,

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<v Speaker 1>not interested, go up? But no. And I guess maybe

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<v Speaker 1>because you can pay people that. That's what I was

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<v Speaker 1>just about to say. Like, it's it's crazy how you

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<v Speaker 1>can now have this connection to to anyone, athletes, entertainer, celebrities,

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<v Speaker 1>whatever the case may be. But ten years ago, twenty

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<v Speaker 1>years ago, thir you didn't have this much access. Now

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<v Speaker 1>you sign up for an app, you can put in

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<v Speaker 1>request and whether you fulfill it or not, they can

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<v Speaker 1>send you a message that you can now have access

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<v Speaker 1>to someone now again you can. You can decide whether

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<v Speaker 1>or not you're gonna do it. Oh, here go, here go,

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<v Speaker 1>Here goes one. Old college friends Fantasy League roast the

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<v Speaker 1>out of someone but Joe, but Joe Joe one this

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<v Speaker 1>year three times champ Avery never won it all, says

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<v Speaker 1>he's cursed, just sucks, had bad trades. Jeremy went one

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<v Speaker 1>and twelve, Thomas always one and done in the playoffs.

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<v Speaker 1>I hit him with decline and people will pay for

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<v Speaker 1>It's all about Hey, do this for me, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>let me show transactional man. So we talk about the

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<v Speaker 1>transactional relationship that people have with athletes entertainers. Sometimes it's

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<v Speaker 1>even frustrated from me and I'm not even in your

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<v Speaker 1>Here's the funniest thing. I wish someone a happy birthday

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<v Speaker 1>who knew someone else, who knew someone else. And then

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<v Speaker 1>a buddy that I actually knew so came back around

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<v Speaker 1>to you, came back and was like look, and I

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<v Speaker 1>just laughed and me and him said, Wow, the things

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<v Speaker 1>people will pay for just to say, look what Steve

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<v Speaker 1>did for me. There is some that I really enjoyed,

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<v Speaker 1>Like somebody's coming out of surgery, somebody who's breast cancer,

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<v Speaker 1>someone who's really hit hard times, who's depressed. You're really

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<v Speaker 1>providing some hope for correct. So I had a lady,

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<v Speaker 1>she got upset at me, send me a nasty little

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<v Speaker 1>since your nasty graham. Nasty graham. Her husband's birthday was

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<v Speaker 1>coming up, and she wanted me to wish I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>have a birthday. Now. When you sign up, they they

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<v Speaker 1>allowed you so many days to do it. So when

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<v Speaker 1>she signs up, to complete the request, complete the request,

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<v Speaker 1>I had six days. Now, it's not my fault. You

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<v Speaker 1>signed me up four days before his birthday. That that

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<v Speaker 1>is that my fault, same same day every year, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Maybe he has a leap her birthday.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure, but she was mad. She declined it

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<v Speaker 1>and said false advertisement. You didn't answer it in Craigslist.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's the problem. I have six days to complete it,

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<v Speaker 1>or I have six days too ignore decline to do it.

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<v Speaker 1>I still have a choice. You have offered me a

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<v Speaker 1>message to you, and I have six days to complete it.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't be matter me. If I completed on day five,

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<v Speaker 1>I still technically got ahold twenty four hours. Then you

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<v Speaker 1>should have picked me sooner. Now I have four dred

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<v Speaker 1>eleven completed cameos. I have ninety eight percent completion. Sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>I knocked him out. Other times, yeah, I'm one. Just

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<v Speaker 1>get to him when I get Hey. Sometimes you gotta

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<v Speaker 1>tell us if you want me be here at noon.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes you gotta left right. Hey, who we got coming

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<v Speaker 1>up on the Cut to It podcast? We've got Mike Golic,

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<v Speaker 1>former NFL player. He was also known for being a

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<v Speaker 1>host from Mike and Mike. A former NFL analyst and

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<v Speaker 1>all around great guy Mike Golic on the Cut to

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<v Speaker 1>It podcast. Oh man, my pleasure. I'm looking forward to this.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been I have no outlet anymore to talk anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>So I love taking opportunities. All right, well we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>get started on this opportunity. Our first segment is called

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<v Speaker 1>get Iced Up. But give him the first of our

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<v Speaker 1>get iced up questions. All right, if you can change

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<v Speaker 1>your name to anything or to something, what would you

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<v Speaker 1>change it to? I think Biff if it wasn't that

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<v Speaker 1>all back to the future, Yes, it was and and

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<v Speaker 1>and Biff wasn't wasn't a great character. But I just

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<v Speaker 1>it would be a one syllable he was, he was.

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<v Speaker 1>I would like to change that and be a better

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<v Speaker 1>Biff than the Biff from back then. A great recall,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, Um, yeah, it was, it was. It

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<v Speaker 1>would be exactly. It would be a it would be

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<v Speaker 1>a quick name like that, like I named my daughter.

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<v Speaker 1>We call quick names like it's Sydney, but we call

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<v Speaker 1>her Shid, Jake, Mike, those are my kids. We like quick,

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<v Speaker 1>one name or one syllable. Uh So I just figured

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<v Speaker 1>out to go off a little bit and do Biff

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<v Speaker 1>and and go down that road. Would you do so

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<v Speaker 1>many things BI like the oh a neck, and and

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<v Speaker 1>and and make yourself really rich? Or would you use

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<v Speaker 1>it for good? You know this isn't a Bailock question.

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<v Speaker 1>But couldn't I do both? I couldn't. I would have

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<v Speaker 1>been on the World Series game. I would have definitely

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<v Speaker 1>made a ton of money. But then I would have

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<v Speaker 1>used some of that money for good so that I

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<v Speaker 1>could morally justify why I was cheating the system. I'm okay, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm doing good with it. So it's like, okay, it

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't matter how you got it. You didn't hurt anybody.

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<v Speaker 1>You made a lot of money, and then I'll spend

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of it on the good and also, you

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<v Speaker 1>know then fly private everywhere as well. All right, um,

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<v Speaker 1>so what will be your name? What? Oh? Is your name? Bishop?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know why. I love Bishop just like Bishop

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<v Speaker 1>from Juice. No, just Bishop, not from Juice. This Bishop.

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<v Speaker 1>I love the name Bishop. Wow. Okay, that's a pretty

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<v Speaker 1>that's out of the box one. I think that's ubermanly, right.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's like just like like he held Smith,

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<v Speaker 1>bishops Bishops Smith put it up bishops coming Now, would

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<v Speaker 1>you wouldn't want anything you would want anybody to to

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<v Speaker 1>shorten it to bish you want to do when you

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<v Speaker 1>want to bishop, like you know, that would be to

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<v Speaker 1>be like you're holding up the line. My serchs have

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<v Speaker 1>my money. That's tomorrow. That's what my church says. My

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<v Speaker 1>church says, beach better have my money. Yeah. Yeah, you're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna get a lot of trouble if you go bishop,

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<v Speaker 1>because there's gonna be a whole lot of Let if

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<v Speaker 1>my name is bishop and you're walking around refer to

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<v Speaker 1>me as bishop, your life is worth Yeah, let's move

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<v Speaker 1>on dirt bigs, all right. So this is an interesting conversation.

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<v Speaker 1>You know we have prior to this. So I think

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<v Speaker 1>this is excellent. Beach or mountains? Which one do you prefer? Wow?

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I have been. I enjoy hiking in

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<v Speaker 1>all honesty, so I I may go mountains, and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>I'm more of a pool guy than a beach guy,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, so I would probably out of that go mountains.

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<v Speaker 1>Why are you a pool guy then beach guy? One

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<v Speaker 1>of the reasons is um and and let me this

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<v Speaker 1>is kind of a public service announcement as well. Most

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<v Speaker 1>places where there's a beach, you want to get wet.

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<v Speaker 1>And go on the water sharks lot in the water,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, then you get wet and you get

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<v Speaker 1>sand on you a little bit. I'm not well into that.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a I'll go hang out by the pool, put

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<v Speaker 1>my phone on, you know, just kind of chill there,

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<v Speaker 1>he said. And someone would say this, what's your pier

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<v Speaker 1>to short back out? Yeah, no, I would go I

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<v Speaker 1>would go mountain. I would go mountain, whether the biking

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<v Speaker 1>in the mountain or hiking in the mountains. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>So we're here in North Carolina. So can you do

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<v Speaker 1>you believe have you ever been to like Kiowa or

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<v Speaker 1>Myrtle Beach. Yes, I've been to boat. Do you consider

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<v Speaker 1>Myrtle Beach a beach? No? No, I have just not

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<v Speaker 1>been a Myrtle Myrtle Beach guy and not not really. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I go there in golf like Darius Rucker would have

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<v Speaker 1>his Monday after the Master's tournament out there in Myrtle Beach,

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<v Speaker 1>and so I go out there to golf. I never

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<v Speaker 1>really never really hit hit the beaches. No, I've golf

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<v Speaker 1>the Kia as well. That's very nice, but uh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>just just not really a beach guy. All right, So

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<v Speaker 1>what did you have for breakfast this morning. Um so

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<v Speaker 1>I got up first and I had oat mail with

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<v Speaker 1>almonds in it and with some little grin ola in it.

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<v Speaker 1>And then me and my wife work out. We work

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<v Speaker 1>out at Orange Theory Fitness. And then after that, let

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<v Speaker 1>me tell you what, and I made something for her.

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<v Speaker 1>I make killer avocado toast, what kind of what kind

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<v Speaker 1>of bread? So ill we'll do like wheat bread. But

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<v Speaker 1>then what I'll do is I'll get turkey sausage and

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<v Speaker 1>I'll cook up the turkey sausage and on the bread,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll put the blockamoli on the bread. I'll put the

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<v Speaker 1>turkey sausage over the bread, and then I'll do an

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<v Speaker 1>eggs over easy and lay it right on top of

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<v Speaker 1>the turkey sausage on the bread. On the avocado. He's

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<v Speaker 1>pretty good. Oh yeah. I love to cook, big, big

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<v Speaker 1>fan of cooking. So so that was our post workout meal,

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<v Speaker 1>got our protein in. And if I didn't make that,

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<v Speaker 1>then we would have had I would have had a

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<v Speaker 1>done or something. You go from an avocado toast hitty green.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, listen, I'm versatile. All I tell something that

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<v Speaker 1>you're grateful for today. You know a lot of people

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<v Speaker 1>may not not think it because they ended up, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>not renewing me. But but I am grateful for my

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<v Speaker 1>time at ESPN because I we're we're a real big,

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<v Speaker 1>tight family, and it allowed me for something I enjoy doing.

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<v Speaker 1>It allowed me to bring my family along, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>And like when I started doing the show, my Mike

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<v Speaker 1>was ten, Jake was nine, and Sydney was five. And

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<v Speaker 1>when I ended my time there, Mike was thirty one,

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<v Speaker 1>Jake was thirty, and Sydney was twenty six. So it

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<v Speaker 1>was a long time. So it was fun having them

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<v Speaker 1>grow up kind of on air. Both my boys signed

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<v Speaker 1>their letters have intend to Notre Dame on air. My

0:16:42.640 --> 0:16:44.840
<v Speaker 1>daughter signed her let ever attend to Notre Dame to

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<v Speaker 1>swim there. Um, So we've had them all on a lot,

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<v Speaker 1>and now my son listened. Mike tried to make it up.

0:16:51.400 --> 0:16:53.200
<v Speaker 1>They both played an or name. Mike was in a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of camps at the NFL. Unfortunately, as Steve you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't work for everybody. He gave it a shot

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<v Speaker 1>and for a couple of years and it didn't go.

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<v Speaker 1>So he's in the business now and doing extremely well.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm listening to him. He when you guys were you

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<v Speaker 1>guys were on and having him. I was like, man,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Mike Julior is doing an excellent job. He's

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<v Speaker 1>progressed and the confidence as well. And I saw him

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<v Speaker 1>with one tattoo full sleeve. I'm like a test. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he was always it was like it was like, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>my hair is getting lost, let me get a tattoo. Here,

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<v Speaker 1>he's getting back further and further, let me get the sleeve.

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<v Speaker 1>Now he's fully ball hitted and sleeves. But man, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he's doing a great job. He said he was going

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<v Speaker 1>to get the other sleeve if he played any amount

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<v Speaker 1>of time in the league. It felt better about getting

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<v Speaker 1>the other sleep he just has the one, And it

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<v Speaker 1>was I know, who knows? Who knows? You know, when

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<v Speaker 1>he was doing the show with me or with others,

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<v Speaker 1>he wasn't like, you know, the main person. He was

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<v Speaker 1>one of like two or three. Now he does the

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<v Speaker 1>show with Tene Boo McKay, who plays for the l

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<v Speaker 1>A Sparks and and she was the number one pick.

0:18:07.160 --> 0:18:09.439
<v Speaker 1>She went to Stanford. Well she's doing the show with

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<v Speaker 1>Mike and the more in the afternoon, and you know, now,

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<v Speaker 1>so they're both front and center, you know, these young

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<v Speaker 1>thirty year old you know, doing their thing. It's it's cool.

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<v Speaker 1>But but over going back to what I was saying, overall,

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<v Speaker 1>it was just nice to bring my family along on

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<v Speaker 1>this ride. It wasn't. I went to work and I

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<v Speaker 1>came home, and you know, the two didn't mix. The

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<v Speaker 1>two didn't mix pretty well, and it was it was

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<v Speaker 1>cool because it lasted so long and was able to

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<v Speaker 1>see them all grow up through it. So that was

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<v Speaker 1>that was fun. Favorite sports teams growing up or favorite

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<v Speaker 1>sports team when you're growing up. Interestingly enough, I grew

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<v Speaker 1>up in Cleveland, so I was kind of a Browns fan.

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<v Speaker 1>I was a big Leroy Kelly fan, and amazingly enough

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<v Speaker 1>and all the young people out there Google and they

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<v Speaker 1>running back with the Cleveland Browns years ago, and I

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<v Speaker 1>got to meet him at a Super Bowl maybe ten

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<v Speaker 1>years ago, and it was very cool. But interesting enough,

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<v Speaker 1>growing up in Cleveland, I was a open Raidar fan.

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<v Speaker 1>Kenny stabler otis sis drunk, I mean, all those crazy bastards,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I mean just just I just love the

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<v Speaker 1>way they play. And I was like, man, if I

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<v Speaker 1>play ball, that's that's the way I want to play,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. So that was kind of. That was kind

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<v Speaker 1>of the team I grew up watching just all those

0:19:21.160 --> 0:19:25.440
<v Speaker 1>nutcases play ball. It's pretty pretty cool. So you said

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<v Speaker 1>you were from Cleveland, but you know, so we always

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<v Speaker 1>like to ask where are you from in a place

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<v Speaker 1>you call your hometown. Where I'm from, uh is Cleveland obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>Um the place I call home. You know, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be in two spots I'm gonna be. I have a

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<v Speaker 1>place at Notre Dame where we all went to school,

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<v Speaker 1>and I have a place out here in Arizona. And

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<v Speaker 1>you know, people always ask me, you know, what's your

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<v Speaker 1>favorite pro team? And I don't really have one. And

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't because I worked in the business. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>I played for the Houston Oilers which is now the

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<v Speaker 1>Tennessee Titans again for the youngsters out there, and then

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<v Speaker 1>the Philadelphia Eagles and then finished with the Miami Dolphins.

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<v Speaker 1>Most of my years were in Philly, so I had

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<v Speaker 1>the most appreciation there. But I don't nobody there was

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<v Speaker 1>there when I was there now when I was there,

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<v Speaker 1>So I don't really root for a protein. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we have a lot of ties at Notre Dame. My

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<v Speaker 1>brother Bob went there, My brother Greg went there. I

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<v Speaker 1>went there, All three of my kids went there. I

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<v Speaker 1>met my wife there, her sister went there, so there

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<v Speaker 1>was a ton of us that went to school there.

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<v Speaker 1>So that place is really close to my heart and

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<v Speaker 1>our hearts for our family. So I'll probably spend a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of time in Arizona because we love it out

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<v Speaker 1>in Arizona, but we're will probably congregate the most will

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<v Speaker 1>be at our place at Notre Dame, just because that

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<v Speaker 1>place has been such a big part of our lives.

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<v Speaker 1>We have to take a break in the morning. Anything.

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0:21:21.520 --> 0:21:24.959
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0:21:25.000 --> 0:21:28.480
<v Speaker 1>all my answers questions, Um, yeah, I got all my

0:21:28.680 --> 0:21:32.120
<v Speaker 1>questions answered. That's what I'm here for, a brother, cut

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<v Speaker 1>to a Podcast dot com. So growing up in Ohio.

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<v Speaker 1>How did this shape your perspective on how you see life,

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<v Speaker 1>how you maneuver through life today. Well, I mean, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we were middle class, the lower middle class as far

0:21:47.160 --> 0:21:50.399
<v Speaker 1>as income, probably more lower from from the money side.

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<v Speaker 1>My dad, you know, worked he was a bricklayer and

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<v Speaker 1>then he worked side jobs and my mom was a secretary,

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<v Speaker 1>and he played ball in the Canadian Football League. He's

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<v Speaker 1>a football player. He played in Indiana and then in

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<v Speaker 1>the CFL. They there's a few NFL teams that wanted

0:22:04.280 --> 0:22:06.320
<v Speaker 1>him to come play there. But my brother Bob was born,

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<v Speaker 1>my brother Greg was born, and I was actually on

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<v Speaker 1>the way. He decided, you know, back then football wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>making a ton of money, so he decided he was

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<v Speaker 1>going to retire and just start raising the family. So

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<v Speaker 1>we learned from my parents a great work ethic, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean a great work ethic, and they were my dad's

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<v Speaker 1>best line to us. And you don't really understand a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of things parents are doing until obviously later. Is

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<v Speaker 1>in football. You know, before we went to practice, we

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<v Speaker 1>would work out on the bags in the backyard, and

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<v Speaker 1>then we go to practice, and then after practice we'd

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<v Speaker 1>work a little bit extra and then he would say

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<v Speaker 1>to us, now, whatever section you're on in schooled in

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<v Speaker 1>a certain subject, go back on the section you were

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<v Speaker 1>just on and make sure you understand it. Get on

0:22:49.320 --> 0:22:52.000
<v Speaker 1>the section that you're on and peruse the section ahead,

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<v Speaker 1>just so you know what's coming. He kind of applied it,

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<v Speaker 1>and my parents applied the sports side to the academic side,

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<v Speaker 1>and also said, you're not getting anywhere in sports without

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<v Speaker 1>the academics. You know, we weren't going to play football,

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<v Speaker 1>notre name unless we have the grades as well. So

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<v Speaker 1>that was always a big part. But he taught us,

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<v Speaker 1>both my parents, I should say, taught us sacrifice. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>this is your goal, this is what you want to do. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>this is what it's gonna take. You may not be

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<v Speaker 1>able to go out with your friends on the weekend,

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<v Speaker 1>you may be up earlier and you want to, you

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<v Speaker 1>may go to bed later than you want to, but

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<v Speaker 1>this is what you need to do. And that's something

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<v Speaker 1>I was able to pass on to my kids at

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<v Speaker 1>a young age when they had their goals, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>playing football to a certain level. And my daughter was

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<v Speaker 1>really when I when a younger swimmer ranked nationally where

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<v Speaker 1>she wanted to do and I kind of said the

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<v Speaker 1>same things to them. Okay, you're gonna have to make

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<v Speaker 1>some sacrifices. You know, you can't just do whatever you

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<v Speaker 1>want and expect to have the outcome. You know there's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be sacrifice involved. So that really and my my

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<v Speaker 1>wife came from the same type of a background. She

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<v Speaker 1>was born and raised in Chicago, so the same kind

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<v Speaker 1>of work ethic as well, so that we were able

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<v Speaker 1>to pass on to the kids. So I would say

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<v Speaker 1>that's one of the biggest things I got for my

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<v Speaker 1>parents was was the work ethic in the versatility of

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<v Speaker 1>how to apply it. I mean, you brought up discipline,

0:24:08.840 --> 0:24:12.800
<v Speaker 1>you brought up sacrifice, and you already got into sports.

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<v Speaker 1>But what's what impact does sports have on your life? Huge?

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<v Speaker 1>Because especially in the team sports now again, the one

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<v Speaker 1>I love right along with football was wrestling, and wrestling

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<v Speaker 1>you are on a team, but that is pretty much

0:24:26.560 --> 0:24:28.399
<v Speaker 1>an individual sport. When you're on the met you're and

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<v Speaker 1>another guy. I loved wrestling. Me and my brother Bob

0:24:30.840 --> 0:24:33.040
<v Speaker 1>wrestled in high school and in Notre Dame as well.

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<v Speaker 1>But there's something about the team aspect to me. And

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<v Speaker 1>then I even get more specific to football because in football,

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<v Speaker 1>one thing that you know is going to happen, is

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to get beat no one as as my

0:24:47.480 --> 0:24:50.040
<v Speaker 1>dad would always as my dad would always say, nobody's

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<v Speaker 1>ever played the perfect game. He goes, he goes, You're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna get your ass knocked down. He said, how do

0:24:55.119 --> 0:24:57.119
<v Speaker 1>you get up? You know, how do you get up?

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<v Speaker 1>And how do you respond from that? He said, you're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna get down of teammates gonna help you up. You're

0:25:01.760 --> 0:25:03.760
<v Speaker 1>gonna see a teammate on the ground, You're gonna help

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<v Speaker 1>them up. You're gonna learn to rely on the guy

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<v Speaker 1>next to you that he's gonna get his job done

0:25:09.800 --> 0:25:13.240
<v Speaker 1>um along with you. So you rely on one another

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<v Speaker 1>and and Steve, as you know, as you go up

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<v Speaker 1>the ranks, you always don't get along with everybody in

0:25:17.680 --> 0:25:20.040
<v Speaker 1>the locker room. As I've always said, you know, even

0:25:20.040 --> 0:25:21.960
<v Speaker 1>in the pros, there ain't fifty three guys singing at

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<v Speaker 1>kumbaya every morning. You know, there are guys that you

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<v Speaker 1>don't get along with, but you respect them for in

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<v Speaker 1>what they're doing. And you take that to the field

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<v Speaker 1>and you have mutual respect for one another and what

0:25:32.720 --> 0:25:35.840
<v Speaker 1>you do the team aspect of football. And and my

0:25:35.880 --> 0:25:39.160
<v Speaker 1>wife and I she's on the board for UH Pop

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<v Speaker 1>Warner Football. I'm on the board for USA football. We're

0:25:41.840 --> 0:25:44.959
<v Speaker 1>very big in the youth sports, football, especially when they

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<v Speaker 1>were really going through a lot when the CT was

0:25:47.840 --> 0:25:51.399
<v Speaker 1>you know, they became huge headlines years ago. So we

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<v Speaker 1>are big on the the youth sports, especially football, and

0:25:55.600 --> 0:25:58.399
<v Speaker 1>just the team value of what that brings you to

0:25:58.600 --> 0:26:01.320
<v Speaker 1>and how how how can help you even out of football,

0:26:01.320 --> 0:26:03.520
<v Speaker 1>because as we know, most football players aren't getting out

0:26:03.560 --> 0:26:05.720
<v Speaker 1>of high school, you know, they got to go live

0:26:05.800 --> 0:26:09.199
<v Speaker 1>their life after that. But playing football and preparing for

0:26:09.200 --> 0:26:11.800
<v Speaker 1>football and the team aspect I think can help in

0:26:11.920 --> 0:26:14.720
<v Speaker 1>so many other avenues of life. So that to me

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<v Speaker 1>is one of the great motivators and great teachers is

0:26:17.440 --> 0:26:19.880
<v Speaker 1>how are you as a teammate with each other. We

0:26:19.920 --> 0:26:23.119
<v Speaker 1>had to the privilege now of having to Notre Dame, guys,

0:26:23.240 --> 0:26:27.800
<v Speaker 1>and we had Jerome Bettison and he walked us through

0:26:28.000 --> 0:26:34.919
<v Speaker 1>his recruiting process with coach Lou Hopes and not to

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<v Speaker 1>date you, but you know, back in the eighties, I'm older,

0:26:39.320 --> 0:26:41.720
<v Speaker 1>you know you had to you had the privilege of

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<v Speaker 1>going to to Notre Dame. What was your experience like

0:26:47.040 --> 0:26:51.879
<v Speaker 1>being recruited and and and being coached. Uh So mine

0:26:51.960 --> 0:26:55.520
<v Speaker 1>was different, I think than most because my brother Bob

0:26:55.640 --> 0:26:58.560
<v Speaker 1>went there first, and he's six years older. So when

0:26:58.560 --> 0:27:01.080
<v Speaker 1>he went there in seventy nine, seventy five, I was

0:27:01.119 --> 0:27:04.040
<v Speaker 1>like twelve years old and Dan Devine was the coach then,

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<v Speaker 1>So I got to see the campus as a twelve

0:27:07.200 --> 0:27:10.760
<v Speaker 1>year old, going in there and seeing you know, you know,

0:27:11.160 --> 0:27:14.800
<v Speaker 1>uh Joe Montana and Ross Browner and Willie Fry and

0:27:15.240 --> 0:27:19.280
<v Speaker 1>these other greats at Notre Dame as a twelve thirteen,

0:27:19.359 --> 0:27:22.600
<v Speaker 1>fourteen year old, you know, just wide eyed and wow.

0:27:23.200 --> 0:27:25.800
<v Speaker 1>And then my brother Greg went there. He was a

0:27:25.840 --> 0:27:29.000
<v Speaker 1>year ahead of me, so when he went there as

0:27:29.000 --> 0:27:31.440
<v Speaker 1>a freshman, I was a senior in high in high

0:27:31.440 --> 0:27:34.240
<v Speaker 1>school and getting heavily recruited by everybody. But now when

0:27:34.240 --> 0:27:37.720
<v Speaker 1>I saw him there, I'd see everybody as my peer. Then.

0:27:37.880 --> 0:27:40.320
<v Speaker 1>Now these were guys that were kind of my age,

0:27:40.320 --> 0:27:43.000
<v Speaker 1>guys that I would be playing with and or against.

0:27:43.440 --> 0:27:45.600
<v Speaker 1>So it was kind of a different mindset. But I

0:27:45.640 --> 0:27:48.639
<v Speaker 1>got to see Notre Dame in a couple of different ways.

0:27:49.040 --> 0:27:51.240
<v Speaker 1>So that helped me a lot, and and and it

0:27:51.280 --> 0:27:53.560
<v Speaker 1>gave me a lot about Notre Dame before I even

0:27:53.920 --> 0:27:58.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, committed there. Now my rookie of my freshman year,

0:27:58.760 --> 0:28:00.679
<v Speaker 1>Jerry Fauss was the coach. He was a coach at

0:28:00.680 --> 0:28:03.399
<v Speaker 1>Cincinnati Mole or a big time high school, and they

0:28:03.480 --> 0:28:07.000
<v Speaker 1>hired it Notre Dame, obviously a hindsight. Being didn't work out.

0:28:07.240 --> 0:28:09.960
<v Speaker 1>He brought a lot of high school coaches. Listen, it didn't.

0:28:10.200 --> 0:28:11.919
<v Speaker 1>I mean, we were the ones on the field not

0:28:11.960 --> 0:28:14.600
<v Speaker 1>getting the job done. But he brought in like five

0:28:14.680 --> 0:28:18.520
<v Speaker 1>high school coaches with him, and it was really weird.

0:28:18.960 --> 0:28:22.240
<v Speaker 1>So he even realized it was over his head. And

0:28:22.320 --> 0:28:24.920
<v Speaker 1>we obviously didn't perform well enough on the field because

0:28:24.960 --> 0:28:27.760
<v Speaker 1>I never had a record better than seven and four.

0:28:28.359 --> 0:28:31.440
<v Speaker 1>But one of the things I remember about recruiting now,

0:28:31.680 --> 0:28:34.480
<v Speaker 1>when I was recruited, you didn't take your trips until

0:28:34.600 --> 0:28:40.040
<v Speaker 1>after your senior year of football. So you're talking November

0:28:40.080 --> 0:28:42.520
<v Speaker 1>of your senior year. You would take your five visits.

0:28:43.000 --> 0:28:45.920
<v Speaker 1>Now these guys are committing freshman year sophomore. Ye're both

0:28:45.960 --> 0:28:48.920
<v Speaker 1>my kids, you know committed their junior years. Well back down,

0:28:49.000 --> 0:28:51.080
<v Speaker 1>you didn't. It was after your senior year of football.

0:28:51.320 --> 0:28:54.280
<v Speaker 1>So I had trips set up to usc U, c

0:28:54.480 --> 0:28:57.680
<v Speaker 1>l A, Tennessee, Miami, and I think one other place

0:28:58.160 --> 0:29:00.880
<v Speaker 1>and Jerry Fauss called me on thank skiving after my

0:29:00.920 --> 0:29:04.000
<v Speaker 1>senior football we had just ended, and he said, listen,

0:29:04.000 --> 0:29:06.160
<v Speaker 1>you have a full, full scholarship to Notre Dame blah

0:29:06.200 --> 0:29:08.360
<v Speaker 1>blah blah. And I said, coach, I said, this is

0:29:08.400 --> 0:29:10.680
<v Speaker 1>where I'm coming. I'm coming to Notre Dame. Thank you,

0:29:11.080 --> 0:29:14.560
<v Speaker 1>I said, But I said, you know I got these trips.

0:29:14.600 --> 0:29:16.720
<v Speaker 1>Shut up. You know I'm eighteen years old. Then, you

0:29:16.760 --> 0:29:20.560
<v Speaker 1>know I kind of you know, like for free exactly.

0:29:20.840 --> 0:29:23.680
<v Speaker 1>I said, can you not really saying anything yet, you know,

0:29:23.760 --> 0:29:25.960
<v Speaker 1>and I'm gonna go. You know, I'm coming to Notre Dame.

0:29:26.080 --> 0:29:28.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm not not going to get swayed. And he's like, yeah, yeah,

0:29:28.760 --> 0:29:30.960
<v Speaker 1>no problem. But you know, it got out. It got

0:29:31.000 --> 0:29:33.200
<v Speaker 1>out on the wire that that I was had committed

0:29:33.280 --> 0:29:35.920
<v Speaker 1>Notre Dame and one call came in after the other

0:29:36.040 --> 0:29:39.640
<v Speaker 1>just canceling my visit because they I was like, oh man,

0:29:40.480 --> 0:29:44.240
<v Speaker 1>So my freshman year, we actually had the top ranked

0:29:44.280 --> 0:29:48.720
<v Speaker 1>recruiting class that year. We were preseason number five and

0:29:48.960 --> 0:29:51.160
<v Speaker 1>we played l s U my true freshman first game

0:29:51.200 --> 0:29:54.080
<v Speaker 1>my true freshman year was smoked them. Um Me and

0:29:54.080 --> 0:29:55.720
<v Speaker 1>a few other troops got in there and played a

0:29:55.760 --> 0:29:58.800
<v Speaker 1>decent amount. A couple of teams in front of us lost.

0:29:59.400 --> 0:30:01.840
<v Speaker 1>The second week of my true freshman year, we were

0:30:01.960 --> 0:30:05.480
<v Speaker 1>number one in the country, and I'm like, this is awesome.

0:30:05.520 --> 0:30:08.000
<v Speaker 1>My brother Bob won the title in seventy seven. We're

0:30:08.000 --> 0:30:10.640
<v Speaker 1>gonna win two titles while I'm here, man, We're not

0:30:10.680 --> 0:30:13.120
<v Speaker 1>gonna lose. We went to the Big House. We went

0:30:13.160 --> 0:30:16.320
<v Speaker 1>to Michigan that next week and got our asses handed

0:30:16.360 --> 0:30:20.400
<v Speaker 1>to us. I mean, and you want to reality said it.

0:30:20.480 --> 0:30:22.560
<v Speaker 1>We won five and six at first year, and like

0:30:22.560 --> 0:30:24.880
<v Speaker 1>I said, we didn't go better than seven and four

0:30:25.040 --> 0:30:27.640
<v Speaker 1>by time there again. Wouldn't trade it, loved it, but

0:30:28.040 --> 0:30:30.680
<v Speaker 1>it was from a record wise on the field, it wasn't.

0:30:30.720 --> 0:30:33.000
<v Speaker 1>It wasn't the best were you brought up. You know,

0:30:33.040 --> 0:30:37.160
<v Speaker 1>your teammates going back and looking at the roster and

0:30:37.280 --> 0:30:42.000
<v Speaker 1>you play with Tim Brown, yeah, uh, Steve C. Burrowin,

0:30:42.200 --> 0:30:46.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah I think you know. Yeah, he played with some dudes.

0:30:47.280 --> 0:30:50.720
<v Speaker 1>So my my year, um, we had a guy. Mark

0:30:50.880 --> 0:30:53.200
<v Speaker 1>Varro was my year. He got drafted second off by

0:30:53.200 --> 0:30:56.600
<v Speaker 1>the Giants. Giants. Yeah, Mike Kelly was the center. He

0:30:56.640 --> 0:30:58.800
<v Speaker 1>got drafted by the Oil of the same team I did.

0:30:58.880 --> 0:31:01.360
<v Speaker 1>Larry Williams, another old I got drafted by the Browns,

0:31:01.400 --> 0:31:05.000
<v Speaker 1>my gandy and got drafted by Atlanta. Story about Tim Brown. So,

0:31:05.080 --> 0:31:07.160
<v Speaker 1>Tim Brown was a freshman when I was a senior

0:31:07.200 --> 0:31:10.719
<v Speaker 1>in a cap. So our first game was against Purdue

0:31:10.760 --> 0:31:14.600
<v Speaker 1>on the road and he's back. There's a true returning

0:31:14.640 --> 0:31:17.400
<v Speaker 1>the opening kickoff. This is first time stepping on the field.

0:31:17.720 --> 0:31:21.240
<v Speaker 1>And what does he do. He fumbled. He fumbled the

0:31:21.320 --> 0:31:24.960
<v Speaker 1>kickoff and Perdue recovered it on the three yard line

0:31:25.680 --> 0:31:28.720
<v Speaker 1>and I remember running out, running out to see him,

0:31:29.000 --> 0:31:30.840
<v Speaker 1>and like, you know, I'm supposed to be one of

0:31:30.840 --> 0:31:33.480
<v Speaker 1>the leaders. So I grabbed my said, Tim, you gotta

0:31:33.520 --> 0:31:36.680
<v Speaker 1>you gotta no worries, man, you just got here. Forget it,

0:31:36.720 --> 0:31:39.400
<v Speaker 1>getting out of your head. We're gonna need you, I mean, what,

0:31:39.480 --> 0:31:41.280
<v Speaker 1>you know, trying to do all the things I should

0:31:41.280 --> 0:31:44.680
<v Speaker 1>be doing to build them up. And then he's like thanks, thanks, thanks,

0:31:44.680 --> 0:31:46.240
<v Speaker 1>and he runs away, and I'm running on the field

0:31:46.240 --> 0:31:48.320
<v Speaker 1>because he fumbled. We gotta go on defense. And I'm

0:31:48.360 --> 0:31:50.080
<v Speaker 1>running on the field going, damn, that kid ain't never

0:31:50.080 --> 0:31:59.360
<v Speaker 1>gonna make it. I think he did, I I know,

0:31:59.600 --> 0:32:01.480
<v Speaker 1>but but you know, I mean, I mean in the

0:32:01.520 --> 0:32:03.400
<v Speaker 1>moment there and I'm trying to pep give him the

0:32:03.440 --> 0:32:17.040
<v Speaker 1>pep talking he's out of earshot. That the truth that office, Yeah,

0:32:17.080 --> 0:32:20.000
<v Speaker 1>it really is that. Yeah, I would say it worked

0:32:20.000 --> 0:32:25.920
<v Speaker 1>out pretty welcome immediately, just kind of Tim Brown, just

0:32:26.040 --> 0:32:28.400
<v Speaker 1>like that's what happens, like you see a corner to

0:32:28.440 --> 0:32:32.800
<v Speaker 1>give be hey, man, it's okay. Oh listen. We had

0:32:32.840 --> 0:32:35.000
<v Speaker 1>a number of those years when I was in Philly,

0:32:35.080 --> 0:32:37.160
<v Speaker 1>when the year we thought we were going to go

0:32:37.200 --> 0:32:39.640
<v Speaker 1>to the super Bowl, it was nine one and Randall

0:32:39.720 --> 0:32:42.480
<v Speaker 1>Cunningham got his knee blown out in the first game

0:32:42.520 --> 0:32:45.080
<v Speaker 1>against the Packers. That year, our defense was number one

0:32:45.160 --> 0:32:47.720
<v Speaker 1>rush passed and overall that we had a great defense

0:32:47.920 --> 0:32:49.959
<v Speaker 1>like we normally did there with the Reggie White, your

0:32:50.000 --> 0:32:53.080
<v Speaker 1>own Brown set Joiners of the world, and we ended

0:32:53.120 --> 0:32:55.960
<v Speaker 1>up not even making the playoffs because the offense struggled

0:32:56.040 --> 0:32:58.920
<v Speaker 1>going through multiple quarterbacks. And just like Steve said, man,

0:32:58.960 --> 0:33:01.960
<v Speaker 1>there's an awful lot of going on when you try

0:33:02.000 --> 0:33:07.800
<v Speaker 1>to face I beat them in practice. Look at they

0:33:07.880 --> 0:33:13.200
<v Speaker 1>beat them too. Oh yeah. Are the our locker room

0:33:13.240 --> 0:33:15.720
<v Speaker 1>the offenses, the offenses in the front part of the

0:33:15.760 --> 0:33:18.480
<v Speaker 1>locker room, we'd always walked through them and you know

0:33:18.520 --> 0:33:21.000
<v Speaker 1>there'd be some side ask comments made, and you know

0:33:21.040 --> 0:33:23.840
<v Speaker 1>there were there were some eight personalities on that team. Man,

0:33:23.880 --> 0:33:26.360
<v Speaker 1>there were more than a few confrontations went on in

0:33:26.440 --> 0:33:33.360
<v Speaker 1>that locker room inside out of the So you were

0:33:33.560 --> 0:33:36.640
<v Speaker 1>you were two sports athlete. You said it. You you

0:33:36.680 --> 0:33:39.200
<v Speaker 1>play football, but you also wrestled. How were you able

0:33:39.240 --> 0:33:43.000
<v Speaker 1>to have the balancing that? You know, obviously your dad

0:33:43.040 --> 0:33:45.360
<v Speaker 1>is still some great things are you? But to play

0:33:45.960 --> 0:33:49.280
<v Speaker 1>adding Notre Dame football back in the eighties, Notre Dame

0:33:49.360 --> 0:33:52.760
<v Speaker 1>football is the crime den crime. And then you add

0:33:52.840 --> 0:33:57.760
<v Speaker 1>wrestling to that and then obviously having uh good grades

0:33:57.880 --> 0:34:03.120
<v Speaker 1>maintaining that, you know, how did you balance? So the

0:34:03.480 --> 0:34:08.160
<v Speaker 1>thing that I found and I found that during football

0:34:08.280 --> 0:34:13.640
<v Speaker 1>season my grades were better than not football season because

0:34:13.680 --> 0:34:16.480
<v Speaker 1>your time is your time is regimented. You know, you

0:34:16.520 --> 0:34:19.239
<v Speaker 1>actually see it. You know, you know the practices where

0:34:19.239 --> 0:34:20.799
<v Speaker 1>you gotta be, when you gotta be there, what you

0:34:20.800 --> 0:34:22.799
<v Speaker 1>have to do, so you know, you only have X

0:34:22.800 --> 0:34:24.719
<v Speaker 1>amount of time then to get your school work done.

0:34:25.080 --> 0:34:27.520
<v Speaker 1>Now you're in springtime where it's a spring ball and

0:34:27.800 --> 0:34:30.560
<v Speaker 1>enough a lot of your time isn't taken from you.

0:34:30.560 --> 0:34:32.160
<v Speaker 1>You're kind of do your own thing. You say, I

0:34:32.200 --> 0:34:34.120
<v Speaker 1>got time to do it later. We're in during the season,

0:34:34.160 --> 0:34:38.200
<v Speaker 1>you don't you gotta get shipped done. So wrestling. Wrestling

0:34:38.280 --> 0:34:41.839
<v Speaker 1>took the place of winter workouts because you know, when

0:34:41.880 --> 0:34:44.319
<v Speaker 1>the college season ended, you start those winter workouts. And

0:34:44.360 --> 0:34:47.319
<v Speaker 1>I told Jerry coach Fauss when I was signing, I said,

0:34:47.320 --> 0:34:49.120
<v Speaker 1>now I want to wrestle it notre him, and he said,

0:34:49.160 --> 0:34:54.080
<v Speaker 1>no problem because help wrestling. Preparing for wrestling is way

0:34:54.120 --> 0:34:56.160
<v Speaker 1>harder than preparing for football. Let me just say that

0:34:56.239 --> 0:34:59.800
<v Speaker 1>right up front, walk me through because us two brothers,

0:34:59.800 --> 0:35:02.560
<v Speaker 1>I no wrestlers. So yeah, no, let me tell now.

0:35:02.600 --> 0:35:06.200
<v Speaker 1>I was lucky. I was back when when heavyweights, you know,

0:35:06.280 --> 0:35:08.200
<v Speaker 1>could be way whatever they wanted, so I didn't have

0:35:08.239 --> 0:35:10.600
<v Speaker 1>to cut these other guys that all had to make weight.

0:35:10.880 --> 0:35:13.200
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you are busting your ass in the on

0:35:13.280 --> 0:35:16.839
<v Speaker 1>the mat wrestling six minutes of wrestling. You can see

0:35:16.840 --> 0:35:18.839
<v Speaker 1>guys boxing when they wear on and then they when

0:35:18.840 --> 0:35:21.680
<v Speaker 1>they were up. Same in wrestling. Man, you go three

0:35:21.680 --> 0:35:24.640
<v Speaker 1>periods of two minutes and you are freaking dead. And

0:35:24.680 --> 0:35:27.160
<v Speaker 1>the amount of work it takes, the amount of lifting,

0:35:27.160 --> 0:35:29.360
<v Speaker 1>the amount of running, the amount of cardio, the amount

0:35:29.360 --> 0:35:32.719
<v Speaker 1>of wrestling on the mat, you are dead tired as

0:35:32.760 --> 0:35:36.040
<v Speaker 1>compared in my estimation, and doing them both at that level,

0:35:36.520 --> 0:35:39.000
<v Speaker 1>So to me, it was more difficult than football. So

0:35:39.080 --> 0:35:42.080
<v Speaker 1>I would do that in the winter instead of winter workouts,

0:35:42.239 --> 0:35:45.080
<v Speaker 1>and it would be done. The n c A tournament

0:35:45.120 --> 0:35:47.320
<v Speaker 1>was always done in early March, so it was before

0:35:47.320 --> 0:35:50.840
<v Speaker 1>we had our spring ball, so I would wrestle and

0:35:50.840 --> 0:35:53.320
<v Speaker 1>then I would jump right into spring ball. So basically

0:35:53.360 --> 0:35:55.640
<v Speaker 1>I was doing it kind of kind of year round.

0:35:55.760 --> 0:35:58.200
<v Speaker 1>So it was I mean, listen, it was hard, but

0:35:58.280 --> 0:36:02.839
<v Speaker 1>I easily loved wrestling as much as football. But you know,

0:36:02.920 --> 0:36:06.279
<v Speaker 1>after there's no pro outside of the w W, and

0:36:06.320 --> 0:36:08.480
<v Speaker 1>this wasn't it. While I respect the hell out of

0:36:08.480 --> 0:36:10.759
<v Speaker 1>what w W W is and I loved it. You know,

0:36:10.880 --> 0:36:13.200
<v Speaker 1>my type of wrestling, there was no pro thing for

0:36:13.200 --> 0:36:15.839
<v Speaker 1>that was you go onto the Olympics or you know,

0:36:15.920 --> 0:36:18.440
<v Speaker 1>you you do nothing, and pro football paid a lot

0:36:18.480 --> 0:36:20.680
<v Speaker 1>more than that, so you know that that's the direction

0:36:20.719 --> 0:36:23.560
<v Speaker 1>I wanted. But I love wrestling and it did it

0:36:23.680 --> 0:36:27.400
<v Speaker 1>kept it kept school or regiment, you put your you

0:36:27.440 --> 0:36:29.240
<v Speaker 1>put your boy through a lot when it comes to wrestling.

0:36:29.239 --> 0:36:30.960
<v Speaker 1>So I see a lot of guys even in high school,

0:36:31.000 --> 0:36:33.120
<v Speaker 1>who are on the wrestling team and them having to

0:36:33.160 --> 0:36:36.000
<v Speaker 1>try to make weight. Right before Matt trash Bag, Oh

0:36:36.080 --> 0:36:39.680
<v Speaker 1>the trash bag stuff. Listen, all that stuff. I mean,

0:36:40.000 --> 0:36:42.520
<v Speaker 1>it almost isn't healthy when you see what happened. But

0:36:42.640 --> 0:36:44.160
<v Speaker 1>this is what I would do. This is how a

0:36:44.160 --> 0:36:47.239
<v Speaker 1>heavyweight would take advantage of this. So the lighter way

0:36:47.280 --> 0:36:49.480
<v Speaker 1>guys obviously would do all this to cut weight. And

0:36:49.520 --> 0:36:52.080
<v Speaker 1>then as soon as they made weight, they bring food.

0:36:52.080 --> 0:36:54.680
<v Speaker 1>They had food so they could eat right away. Well,

0:36:54.880 --> 0:36:57.320
<v Speaker 1>you always know when you're really really hungry what happens.

0:36:57.480 --> 0:36:59.600
<v Speaker 1>Your eyes are bigger than your stomach. So they bring

0:36:59.600 --> 0:37:01.719
<v Speaker 1>all this food, they eat some of it, and they

0:37:01.719 --> 0:37:03.960
<v Speaker 1>get full, and they had this extra food and I

0:37:04.000 --> 0:37:06.120
<v Speaker 1>would eat it. Don't worked out pretty well for me.

0:37:06.400 --> 0:37:11.400
<v Speaker 1>That's pretty good. Yea. Yeah, So you graduated with a

0:37:11.480 --> 0:37:17.160
<v Speaker 1>finance and make an man management. What did you What

0:37:17.239 --> 0:37:21.120
<v Speaker 1>was your plan after after school to do with those things? Well,

0:37:21.200 --> 0:37:24.560
<v Speaker 1>I mean, obviously the NFL was going to be first. Um.

0:37:24.719 --> 0:37:28.080
<v Speaker 1>I thought after my soft right into my into my

0:37:28.160 --> 0:37:30.360
<v Speaker 1>junior year, I thought I had a chance that I

0:37:30.400 --> 0:37:32.680
<v Speaker 1>could that I could make it in the NFL. I

0:37:32.680 --> 0:37:34.680
<v Speaker 1>got hurt my senior year the first game that for

0:37:34.840 --> 0:37:38.239
<v Speaker 1>me game. I actually got hurt during that game, and hindsight,

0:37:38.280 --> 0:37:40.800
<v Speaker 1>I should have had a shoulder operation and red shirt

0:37:40.800 --> 0:37:43.120
<v Speaker 1>and come back the next year because I never played

0:37:43.160 --> 0:37:45.040
<v Speaker 1>more than a half the rest of the year. When

0:37:45.080 --> 0:37:47.000
<v Speaker 1>I went to the combine, I couldn't do any lifting

0:37:47.040 --> 0:37:49.480
<v Speaker 1>because I had a surgery on that shoulder. I couldn't

0:37:49.520 --> 0:37:50.920
<v Speaker 1>run or lift, and then I end up going in

0:37:50.960 --> 0:37:53.360
<v Speaker 1>the tenth round. This was back when there were twelve

0:37:53.440 --> 0:37:56.520
<v Speaker 1>rounds in the draft, so that was where all my

0:37:56.640 --> 0:38:00.239
<v Speaker 1>effort was going. But the one thing I also when

0:38:00.239 --> 0:38:02.279
<v Speaker 1>they make sure you know, to tell you that when

0:38:02.280 --> 0:38:04.840
<v Speaker 1>you're Notre Dame, outside of braids being very important, you

0:38:04.840 --> 0:38:07.400
<v Speaker 1>can't blow off classes. You gotta whatever the n c

0:38:07.560 --> 0:38:10.080
<v Speaker 1>A line is, Notre Dames was above it as far

0:38:10.120 --> 0:38:13.439
<v Speaker 1>as maintaining a great point average to play is one

0:38:13.480 --> 0:38:15.640
<v Speaker 1>thing that Notre Dame was always known for and I

0:38:15.680 --> 0:38:17.919
<v Speaker 1>think a lot of schools are, but Notre Dame really

0:38:17.920 --> 0:38:21.960
<v Speaker 1>has it around the country. Was kind of their pipeline there.

0:38:21.960 --> 0:38:24.400
<v Speaker 1>There are other people that are in the real world

0:38:24.480 --> 0:38:27.160
<v Speaker 1>for lack of a better term, um in the real

0:38:27.160 --> 0:38:29.160
<v Speaker 1>world with jobs that you could have help with a

0:38:29.160 --> 0:38:32.000
<v Speaker 1>connection to help you get started. So that was it.

0:38:32.120 --> 0:38:34.080
<v Speaker 1>And take my degree and use it and try and

0:38:34.200 --> 0:38:37.040
<v Speaker 1>use you know, kind of the pipeline system to say, hey,

0:38:37.360 --> 0:38:39.200
<v Speaker 1>you know, I have this degree. Where could I fit

0:38:39.280 --> 0:38:42.680
<v Speaker 1>in here there and try and use a connection. But luckily,

0:38:42.800 --> 0:38:45.160
<v Speaker 1>uh I luckily, I guess luckily I got wouldn't I

0:38:45.160 --> 0:38:46.920
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't have mind it if I needed it, But it

0:38:46.920 --> 0:38:49.880
<v Speaker 1>turns out I never never needed it. I think it's

0:38:49.880 --> 0:38:52.040
<v Speaker 1>about that time, just so I'll take a little breathering,

0:38:52.560 --> 0:39:00.640
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0:39:09.400 --> 0:39:11.880
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0:39:11.880 --> 0:39:16.160
<v Speaker 1>to us wherever you listen to podcasts. Getting draft in

0:39:16.200 --> 0:39:18.520
<v Speaker 1>the tenth round and I you know, I heard I've

0:39:18.800 --> 0:39:21.080
<v Speaker 1>heard a lot of stories about the twelve rounds and

0:39:21.120 --> 0:39:23.839
<v Speaker 1>all that stuff and how long it was, you know,

0:39:24.000 --> 0:39:27.759
<v Speaker 1>comparing the draft today and obviously you you know, you

0:39:28.280 --> 0:39:30.759
<v Speaker 1>doing Mike and Mike for so many years and just

0:39:30.920 --> 0:39:36.600
<v Speaker 1>killing that. Compare the league today. Obviously when you play,

0:39:36.719 --> 0:39:41.800
<v Speaker 1>you're playing with Ju White, Jerome Brown, uh, you know,

0:39:41.920 --> 0:39:47.120
<v Speaker 1>Random Cuttingham, Keith Buyers. You have so many different personalities

0:39:47.200 --> 0:39:53.160
<v Speaker 1>in the NFL. Houston, Jerry Glanville, Warren Moon, right. You

0:39:53.239 --> 0:39:58.000
<v Speaker 1>even on the team with Steve Ye, these different personalities.

0:39:58.360 --> 0:40:01.880
<v Speaker 1>You've seen the best of all these world's been you know,

0:40:02.480 --> 0:40:07.680
<v Speaker 1>unfortunately been around a pro bowler who's drawing Brown lost life. Yep.

0:40:08.920 --> 0:40:12.640
<v Speaker 1>And you have done television. You see the way ball

0:40:12.800 --> 0:40:16.440
<v Speaker 1>is today, and sometimes it can come across. We've come

0:40:16.480 --> 0:40:19.800
<v Speaker 1>across on television as older players come across. We come across,

0:40:19.840 --> 0:40:24.360
<v Speaker 1>as NVIDIAs or said, But you really understand the gravity

0:40:24.440 --> 0:40:28.680
<v Speaker 1>and what these young men have the opportunity to do

0:40:28.960 --> 0:40:34.239
<v Speaker 1>and get with now at some degree, some of them,

0:40:34.320 --> 0:40:36.560
<v Speaker 1>not all of them. Some of them I don't really

0:40:36.560 --> 0:40:39.880
<v Speaker 1>have to do much anymore, don't have to prove themselves.

0:40:39.880 --> 0:40:46.400
<v Speaker 1>They're instant celebrities, instant superstars and going to fifth and

0:40:46.440 --> 0:40:52.920
<v Speaker 1>sixth round. Right. Compare the league as you see it,

0:40:53.560 --> 0:40:59.040
<v Speaker 1>playing it, watching it, and commentating it. Well, while there

0:40:59.239 --> 0:41:03.360
<v Speaker 1>are two really distinct differences from my time to now,

0:41:03.680 --> 0:41:05.360
<v Speaker 1>and the first I'll go on the field and I

0:41:05.360 --> 0:41:08.160
<v Speaker 1>think we all know this is different on how the

0:41:08.200 --> 0:41:10.759
<v Speaker 1>game has played. And the one thing, the one thing

0:41:10.800 --> 0:41:13.759
<v Speaker 1>I don't don't really like is when I hear and

0:41:13.800 --> 0:41:17.600
<v Speaker 1>I heard about basketball as well, that the players are

0:41:17.680 --> 0:41:21.640
<v Speaker 1>softer now than back in the day. And the reason

0:41:22.080 --> 0:41:25.480
<v Speaker 1>it's not as physical in either sport is because the

0:41:25.600 --> 0:41:28.680
<v Speaker 1>rules have dictated that. If people always say, oh, my god,

0:41:28.800 --> 0:41:31.720
<v Speaker 1>Lebron never could have played in the eighties, that's bullshit.

0:41:32.080 --> 0:41:35.520
<v Speaker 1>If Lebron, if Lebron, and I don't mean Lebron like

0:41:35.600 --> 0:41:39.239
<v Speaker 1>he is now, if Lebron was born to where he

0:41:39.440 --> 0:41:41.759
<v Speaker 1>was in the NBA and the eighties, then he would

0:41:41.760 --> 0:41:44.279
<v Speaker 1>have grown up playing that way. You can't just take

0:41:44.320 --> 0:41:47.160
<v Speaker 1>a guy and in this system and say put him

0:41:47.160 --> 0:41:49.160
<v Speaker 1>in the eighties and how would he do. You can't

0:41:49.160 --> 0:41:51.680
<v Speaker 1>do that. He would be born and and and bred

0:41:51.760 --> 0:41:55.120
<v Speaker 1>to play that way. So he would have been playing

0:41:55.200 --> 0:41:58.520
<v Speaker 1>eighties style of basketball or not, or he would have

0:41:58.560 --> 0:42:02.760
<v Speaker 1>made it. Oh, it's exactly right. So the saying it's softer,

0:42:02.840 --> 0:42:05.000
<v Speaker 1>and I know that's just the way they're calling it. Listen,

0:42:05.480 --> 0:42:08.000
<v Speaker 1>I think it's so difficult to be a defender in

0:42:08.040 --> 0:42:11.000
<v Speaker 1>the NFL now. The wide receivers, my god, you gotta

0:42:11.120 --> 0:42:13.600
<v Speaker 1>made now. I mean, you can't be touched, you know.

0:42:14.080 --> 0:42:18.359
<v Speaker 1>But they're still dropping the ball or not still drop

0:42:19.000 --> 0:42:22.200
<v Speaker 1>a stale, stale tiptoe and pink panther across the middle,

0:42:22.760 --> 0:42:26.160
<v Speaker 1>which and that's probably the biggest difference on the field

0:42:26.560 --> 0:42:31.440
<v Speaker 1>is there's no more intimidation factor. And when I say intimidation,

0:42:31.680 --> 0:42:34.359
<v Speaker 1>you wouldn't think people will be intimidated, but but some can,

0:42:34.680 --> 0:42:37.360
<v Speaker 1>and some get the alligator arms when they get smoked,

0:42:37.640 --> 0:42:40.160
<v Speaker 1>you know, running across the middle. But you can't do that.

0:42:40.400 --> 0:42:42.840
<v Speaker 1>And I get it, though, I understand it to a

0:42:42.960 --> 0:42:45.680
<v Speaker 1>point with head injuries, and you don't want to see

0:42:45.680 --> 0:42:49.239
<v Speaker 1>people you know hurt, you know, especially that last a lifetime.

0:42:49.920 --> 0:42:54.160
<v Speaker 1>But but also I think the NFL, they say you

0:42:54.239 --> 0:42:56.160
<v Speaker 1>gotta break break a few eggs to make a to

0:42:56.239 --> 0:42:59.120
<v Speaker 1>make an omelet, I think they went too far with

0:42:59.400 --> 0:43:01.560
<v Speaker 1>how they in it. And the people that really got

0:43:01.560 --> 0:43:04.600
<v Speaker 1>caught in the crosshairs were when they made the rule change,

0:43:04.760 --> 0:43:06.800
<v Speaker 1>because you had guys in the league used to playing

0:43:07.040 --> 0:43:09.600
<v Speaker 1>the way I played, or man you were you just

0:43:10.080 --> 0:43:13.000
<v Speaker 1>knocked the funker out, you know, and and normally in

0:43:13.040 --> 0:43:14.759
<v Speaker 1>the meeting the next day you got a hundred dollars

0:43:14.840 --> 0:43:17.520
<v Speaker 1>for the big hit. You know too. I don't know

0:43:17.560 --> 0:43:21.000
<v Speaker 1>anything about that, but yeah, well I'm gonna give you

0:43:21.040 --> 0:43:24.880
<v Speaker 1>some real truth in a second. But that that would happen.

0:43:25.520 --> 0:43:28.840
<v Speaker 1>And but nowadays, not only you get a flag forget

0:43:28.840 --> 0:43:30.960
<v Speaker 1>the flag forget the fifteen yards, you get five and

0:43:31.239 --> 0:43:34.160
<v Speaker 1>find at least thirty seven five. So now they're taking

0:43:34.160 --> 0:43:36.759
<v Speaker 1>it out of your pocket as well. But again I

0:43:36.920 --> 0:43:41.000
<v Speaker 1>understand the safety reason for it, but they went so

0:43:41.120 --> 0:43:44.200
<v Speaker 1>far the other way and they're throwing flags and I'm

0:43:44.239 --> 0:43:46.439
<v Speaker 1>just sitting home and going your flag and that I mean,

0:43:47.160 --> 0:43:49.239
<v Speaker 1>you know, it didn't leave with his head or how

0:43:49.280 --> 0:43:51.759
<v Speaker 1>they protect the quarterbacks. Sometimes I think it just goes

0:43:52.080 --> 0:43:53.919
<v Speaker 1>went a little too far, and I think they got

0:43:53.920 --> 0:43:55.840
<v Speaker 1>to find a little more of a happy medium. But

0:43:55.920 --> 0:43:58.360
<v Speaker 1>I understand why they're doing it. So that's the biggest

0:43:58.840 --> 0:44:01.799
<v Speaker 1>difference on the field field. And and the part I

0:44:01.840 --> 0:44:04.200
<v Speaker 1>was gonna say, I get real about it when when

0:44:04.239 --> 0:44:08.800
<v Speaker 1>they when they suspended Gregg Williams for bounty bounty gate ship.

0:44:09.520 --> 0:44:12.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean, come on that that stuff, and I'm not

0:44:13.000 --> 0:44:16.160
<v Speaker 1>saying they shouldn't try and get that out of the league.

0:44:16.160 --> 0:44:19.000
<v Speaker 1>And this is gonna sound bad. It's gonna almost sound

0:44:19.080 --> 0:44:22.400
<v Speaker 1>like there's there's honor amongst thieves. But we did that,

0:44:22.560 --> 0:44:25.000
<v Speaker 1>and a lot of teams did that. Man, Dude, We'd

0:44:25.040 --> 0:44:27.320
<v Speaker 1>be sitting there and being a meeting and it'd be like, okay,

0:44:27.640 --> 0:44:29.680
<v Speaker 1>x amount end up on this guy. If he doesn't

0:44:29.719 --> 0:44:32.600
<v Speaker 1>finish the game. But here's the thing, and this is

0:44:32.640 --> 0:44:35.520
<v Speaker 1>again where people say, oh that that sounds horrible. It

0:44:35.640 --> 0:44:38.239
<v Speaker 1>had to be a clean hit. If you hit a

0:44:38.239 --> 0:44:40.759
<v Speaker 1>guy so so you didn't want to have a guy

0:44:40.800 --> 0:44:42.920
<v Speaker 1>go head hunting, or you didn't want a guy twisting

0:44:42.960 --> 0:44:45.839
<v Speaker 1>an ankle in a pile. You got flagged for a hit,

0:44:46.120 --> 0:44:48.279
<v Speaker 1>you weren't gonna gonna get that. And I know there's

0:44:48.280 --> 0:44:50.080
<v Speaker 1>gonna be a lot of people listening to going, oh,

0:44:50.120 --> 0:44:52.719
<v Speaker 1>that's still bullshit. You were trying to hurt somebody, And

0:44:52.760 --> 0:44:55.319
<v Speaker 1>the answer is really no. I mean, I would go

0:44:55.400 --> 0:44:58.120
<v Speaker 1>all the way back to see why old football when

0:44:58.120 --> 0:45:00.320
<v Speaker 1>my dad coached me, and my dad's wanted to toughest

0:45:00.400 --> 0:45:03.120
<v Speaker 1>people I've ever met, and he said, you'll learn the

0:45:03.120 --> 0:45:06.360
<v Speaker 1>proper technique. You hit somebody like they're not there, and

0:45:06.440 --> 0:45:08.760
<v Speaker 1>you drive them into the ground. And if they don't

0:45:08.800 --> 0:45:11.839
<v Speaker 1>get up, that's part of the game because you may

0:45:11.880 --> 0:45:14.080
<v Speaker 1>get hit like that and you may not get up,

0:45:14.160 --> 0:45:16.680
<v Speaker 1>and if it's a legal hit, that's part of the game.

0:45:17.040 --> 0:45:20.000
<v Speaker 1>And that that's the mantra I always lived with. And

0:45:20.080 --> 0:45:22.959
<v Speaker 1>it just got put a little bit to that Steve,

0:45:23.040 --> 0:45:24.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, in the locker room. Hey, you know this

0:45:24.760 --> 0:45:26.920
<v Speaker 1>money here, this money here, if this guy will finish

0:45:27.000 --> 0:45:29.520
<v Speaker 1>but if us but it had to be a clean hit.

0:45:29.719 --> 0:45:32.040
<v Speaker 1>You weren't trying to knock him out. But if you

0:45:32.120 --> 0:45:34.439
<v Speaker 1>hit him clean and they got they were hurt, then

0:45:34.480 --> 0:45:35.840
<v Speaker 1>you know you got the money. And I know it

0:45:35.960 --> 0:45:39.640
<v Speaker 1>sounds horrible. So the bounty gate all falling on Greg

0:45:39.680 --> 0:45:43.719
<v Speaker 1>Williams is is amazing because that was happening in a

0:45:43.719 --> 0:45:48.440
<v Speaker 1>lot of places. I mean, hit you know, no, you

0:45:48.520 --> 0:45:53.560
<v Speaker 1>may have them, Well I don't. So I have a

0:45:53.600 --> 0:45:57.239
<v Speaker 1>little history Meg Williams. And so when when he was

0:45:57.480 --> 0:46:01.040
<v Speaker 1>in New Orleans and it was an individual, there was

0:46:01.080 --> 0:46:05.600
<v Speaker 1>a safety who hit me out of bounds and his

0:46:05.719 --> 0:46:09.279
<v Speaker 1>name is Darren Sharper. Darren Sharper. It goes to hit

0:46:09.320 --> 0:46:10.759
<v Speaker 1>I go out, I step out of bounds, we throw

0:46:10.800 --> 0:46:12.759
<v Speaker 1>a screen. I stepped out of the bounds. That he's

0:46:12.760 --> 0:46:14.919
<v Speaker 1>going to finish me. And I kind of look back

0:46:14.920 --> 0:46:19.120
<v Speaker 1>at him like, hey, and this is what Darren said.

0:46:20.040 --> 0:46:23.920
<v Speaker 1>If I don't hit you, I'll get fined. Well, I

0:46:23.960 --> 0:46:29.520
<v Speaker 1>said what because now I said some animated things to

0:46:29.600 --> 0:46:32.520
<v Speaker 1>let him know. So he went to check himself because

0:46:32.520 --> 0:46:36.399
<v Speaker 1>I was like hey, blankety blank blank blank blank He's like, no, no, no,

0:46:36.440 --> 0:46:38.640
<v Speaker 1>if I if I don't hit you, And that's how

0:46:38.680 --> 0:46:40.960
<v Speaker 1>it led me to And then after that I called it.

0:46:41.040 --> 0:46:42.960
<v Speaker 1>You know, a couple of times after that, I called

0:46:42.960 --> 0:46:46.440
<v Speaker 1>a pass and I happened to be on on their sideline.

0:46:46.480 --> 0:46:49.240
<v Speaker 1>I had a few words with Greg, and ever since

0:46:49.280 --> 0:46:54.000
<v Speaker 1>then I had never really experienced that out and the

0:46:54.560 --> 0:46:57.839
<v Speaker 1>open Now I knew because I played, and I played

0:46:57.880 --> 0:47:01.879
<v Speaker 1>a certain way. There were times where if you get

0:47:01.920 --> 0:47:05.920
<v Speaker 1>an opportunity to I don't want to say eliminate, but

0:47:06.600 --> 0:47:10.600
<v Speaker 1>put a guy who can impact the game if you

0:47:10.600 --> 0:47:13.480
<v Speaker 1>can put him on the shelf. Legally. When I say

0:47:13.520 --> 0:47:15.960
<v Speaker 1>put him on the shelf, I'm talking about you're going

0:47:15.960 --> 0:47:18.920
<v Speaker 1>across the middle and you have to be that impact player.

0:47:19.120 --> 0:47:22.040
<v Speaker 1>And that other impact player happens to be a safety,

0:47:22.200 --> 0:47:25.080
<v Speaker 1>and that ball is high. He's gonna hit you in

0:47:25.160 --> 0:47:29.800
<v Speaker 1>your rims. And the difference between today's players, that player

0:47:29.840 --> 0:47:32.680
<v Speaker 1>is gonna hit them low, because one they're afraid to

0:47:32.960 --> 0:47:35.000
<v Speaker 1>They're they're afraid they're gonna get the fine. They're afraid

0:47:35.000 --> 0:47:37.879
<v Speaker 1>to go fine. But back in the old days that

0:47:38.680 --> 0:47:42.000
<v Speaker 1>Mike's talking about, you took that hit too. What they

0:47:42.080 --> 0:47:48.040
<v Speaker 1>call you separate the ball and so when you do

0:47:48.080 --> 0:47:51.640
<v Speaker 1>that is when that receiver catches the ball. And depending

0:47:51.640 --> 0:47:53.600
<v Speaker 1>on how that ball is thrown, that ball is thrown

0:47:55.000 --> 0:47:57.000
<v Speaker 1>in the numbers, and he's going across the middle, he

0:47:57.040 --> 0:47:58.839
<v Speaker 1>knows he's about to get hit. That receiver is gonna

0:47:58.880 --> 0:48:02.600
<v Speaker 1>catch him with his body, so that defender has to

0:48:02.680 --> 0:48:08.480
<v Speaker 1>dislodge the person from the ball. And by doing that generally,

0:48:08.880 --> 0:48:12.279
<v Speaker 1>us little div us, you know, we ain't built the

0:48:12.320 --> 0:48:14.520
<v Speaker 1>same way as golden We ain't built that three hundred

0:48:14.520 --> 0:48:19.399
<v Speaker 1>pounds right contact. You know, you you get up. I've

0:48:19.400 --> 0:48:25.839
<v Speaker 1>seen guys get hit and hit so hard that when

0:48:25.880 --> 0:48:29.680
<v Speaker 1>they get up, you can see them still clenched up

0:48:29.719 --> 0:48:32.280
<v Speaker 1>as if they still have the ball, and the ball

0:48:32.440 --> 0:48:34.560
<v Speaker 1>is not there. You know, guys are sleep or whatever

0:48:34.600 --> 0:48:37.799
<v Speaker 1>the case may be. So that old school football, you know,

0:48:37.920 --> 0:48:40.680
<v Speaker 1>and we didn't You didn't want to hurt people. This

0:48:40.760 --> 0:48:43.799
<v Speaker 1>is back again when you could hit somebody as I

0:48:43.880 --> 0:48:46.560
<v Speaker 1>hit Emmett Smith as hard as I ever hit anybody

0:48:46.680 --> 0:48:48.720
<v Speaker 1>on the sideline when he was running on the sidelines,

0:48:48.760 --> 0:48:51.120
<v Speaker 1>and I built up full speed and I dove, and

0:48:51.200 --> 0:48:54.520
<v Speaker 1>I mean I tried to separate his his shoulders from

0:48:54.520 --> 0:48:57.759
<v Speaker 1>his body, and dude hit the ground popped up and

0:48:57.840 --> 0:49:01.120
<v Speaker 1>ran back the huddle lightest way. It's like one of

0:49:01.120 --> 0:49:03.239
<v Speaker 1>those you know, if you were boxing and you gave

0:49:03.280 --> 0:49:05.560
<v Speaker 1>somebody your best punch and they just flints and then

0:49:05.600 --> 0:49:08.239
<v Speaker 1>we came right back at you. But I want to see,

0:49:08.320 --> 0:49:11.840
<v Speaker 1>let me ask you because we asked like older and

0:49:11.920 --> 0:49:16.400
<v Speaker 1>I mean back even further receivers, because I'm glad headshots

0:49:16.400 --> 0:49:19.160
<v Speaker 1>are out of the game, especially defenders that are lunging

0:49:19.160 --> 0:49:21.479
<v Speaker 1>and putting their head down. I mean, that's just that's

0:49:21.520 --> 0:49:24.680
<v Speaker 1>just asking for for trouble. But would you rather get

0:49:24.920 --> 0:49:27.000
<v Speaker 1>because you're right, what's happening now? And if I were

0:49:27.040 --> 0:49:29.040
<v Speaker 1>a d V I'd be doing the same thing. I

0:49:29.160 --> 0:49:31.920
<v Speaker 1>take someone out low. Now, as a receiver, would you

0:49:32.000 --> 0:49:35.839
<v Speaker 1>rather get hit chester up or knees down, chest up?

0:49:36.840 --> 0:49:39.200
<v Speaker 1>That's what every receiver says because they don't want to

0:49:39.200 --> 0:49:42.399
<v Speaker 1>get their knee blown out. That's where every defenders going

0:49:42.480 --> 0:49:44.319
<v Speaker 1>today because they don't want to lose your money maker.

0:49:44.360 --> 0:49:48.160
<v Speaker 1>You get right, I always did this. When I'll crack

0:49:48.239 --> 0:49:51.319
<v Speaker 1>back on the corner, I hit him high. But if

0:49:51.320 --> 0:49:55.600
<v Speaker 1>I didn't respect you, I hit you low. And the

0:49:55.640 --> 0:49:59.000
<v Speaker 1>reason why and I very few guys I ever tried

0:49:59.040 --> 0:50:02.000
<v Speaker 1>to hit low but when you hit a player low,

0:50:02.600 --> 0:50:07.640
<v Speaker 1>you're also letting that play the message that she isn't

0:50:07.640 --> 0:50:10.040
<v Speaker 1>it even is It isn't a different though, Steve, because

0:50:10.080 --> 0:50:12.279
<v Speaker 1>now the defenders are doing that because they know if

0:50:12.280 --> 0:50:15.000
<v Speaker 1>they go chest her up there's a great chance of

0:50:15.080 --> 0:50:17.360
<v Speaker 1>getting the flag and a great chance of getting fine.

0:50:17.400 --> 0:50:20.080
<v Speaker 1>So it's not a necessity they gotta go down low.

0:50:20.400 --> 0:50:23.360
<v Speaker 1>I'm just saying back there, it's it's a fine line

0:50:23.440 --> 0:50:26.479
<v Speaker 1>because here's the problem. You can wrap up a guy.

0:50:26.760 --> 0:50:28.319
<v Speaker 1>You don't have to hit him low. You don't have

0:50:28.360 --> 0:50:31.040
<v Speaker 1>to shoot your shot hit hit a guy low. So

0:50:31.120 --> 0:50:33.839
<v Speaker 1>I believe that that that's a I mean, I've told

0:50:33.880 --> 0:50:37.279
<v Speaker 1>guys like I had an opportunity I think, um it

0:50:37.440 --> 0:50:39.680
<v Speaker 1>was with the Jets one time and we was the Panthers.

0:50:39.680 --> 0:50:41.800
<v Speaker 1>We were playing them, and I had an opportunity to

0:50:41.840 --> 0:50:43.600
<v Speaker 1>peel back on him and I hit him high and

0:50:43.640 --> 0:50:45.480
<v Speaker 1>he kind of looked at man. I said, he bro

0:50:45.960 --> 0:50:48.279
<v Speaker 1>I respect you. I'm not gonna hit you low. And

0:50:48.320 --> 0:50:51.200
<v Speaker 1>he was like, may appreciate that. There is a respect thing,

0:50:51.920 --> 0:50:54.759
<v Speaker 1>because when you do believe when you're when you are

0:50:54.920 --> 0:50:57.920
<v Speaker 1>an impact player. I'm not gonna say superstar impact player

0:50:58.000 --> 0:51:02.320
<v Speaker 1>where you have to account for these individuals on the field,

0:51:03.440 --> 0:51:07.880
<v Speaker 1>and you have that ability to impact the game, and

0:51:07.920 --> 0:51:11.120
<v Speaker 1>that other impact player has the ability to impact the game,

0:51:11.160 --> 0:51:14.640
<v Speaker 1>and you hit me low. Now you are basically saying

0:51:15.719 --> 0:51:19.319
<v Speaker 1>to me and to other guys, you don't respect my

0:51:19.400 --> 0:51:25.200
<v Speaker 1>craft and you're trying to eliminate me to make a living.

0:51:26.080 --> 0:51:28.080
<v Speaker 1>So now what are you basically saying? You don't care

0:51:28.120 --> 0:51:31.600
<v Speaker 1>about my family, you don't care about me. So now

0:51:32.239 --> 0:51:34.719
<v Speaker 1>what is my meter saying I don't care about your

0:51:34.760 --> 0:51:37.399
<v Speaker 1>family and I don't care about you or your career.

0:51:38.040 --> 0:51:40.440
<v Speaker 1>With being on Mike and Mike, you have the opportunity

0:51:40.480 --> 0:51:43.040
<v Speaker 1>because of ESPN. They call it the car wash you

0:51:43.040 --> 0:51:46.719
<v Speaker 1>guys got. You guys have had the opportunity of having

0:51:46.880 --> 0:51:50.280
<v Speaker 1>so many different personality, so many different point of views,

0:51:50.480 --> 0:51:53.239
<v Speaker 1>and then also so many different stars that come through.

0:51:53.320 --> 0:51:56.279
<v Speaker 1>Tell me, you know, obviously me being one of those

0:51:56.320 --> 0:51:59.200
<v Speaker 1>people that had the opportunity to go through the car wash,

0:51:59.560 --> 0:52:02.160
<v Speaker 1>you know, we've got to know each other and to

0:52:02.320 --> 0:52:05.120
<v Speaker 1>some degree, and I and I don't mean this as

0:52:05.200 --> 0:52:07.839
<v Speaker 1>derogatory towards you or you meant it towards me, But

0:52:08.320 --> 0:52:10.280
<v Speaker 1>when I had the opportunity to go through the car washer,

0:52:10.360 --> 0:52:12.560
<v Speaker 1>because of the way I played, and because of at

0:52:12.640 --> 0:52:18.719
<v Speaker 1>times the way I gave off what kind of individual

0:52:18.760 --> 0:52:21.759
<v Speaker 1>I was a lot of times I heard, either from

0:52:21.800 --> 0:52:25.839
<v Speaker 1>Mike or a lot of different people, Oh, you are

0:52:25.920 --> 0:52:28.759
<v Speaker 1>kind of different from what we expect or what we've

0:52:28.840 --> 0:52:33.680
<v Speaker 1>seen from you as a player. Talk about why and

0:52:33.760 --> 0:52:37.640
<v Speaker 1>what you have experiences seeing those guys come through the

0:52:37.640 --> 0:52:41.880
<v Speaker 1>car washer, what you've learned about the persona or the

0:52:42.800 --> 0:52:46.839
<v Speaker 1>or or the mirage of different players have come through

0:52:46.960 --> 0:52:49.920
<v Speaker 1>the car wash of ESPN through Mike and Mike in

0:52:49.960 --> 0:52:54.279
<v Speaker 1>the morning. The the some of the interesting things is

0:52:54.840 --> 0:52:57.840
<v Speaker 1>the best thing you can do, and it sounds and

0:52:58.160 --> 0:53:01.160
<v Speaker 1>you did it was just be who you are. Just

0:53:01.200 --> 0:53:05.440
<v Speaker 1>be yourself, because whenever you get on air, if all

0:53:05.480 --> 0:53:07.480
<v Speaker 1>of a sudden, you have to change into a different

0:53:07.680 --> 0:53:11.600
<v Speaker 1>persona and you can't sustain that. If if if the

0:53:11.640 --> 0:53:13.560
<v Speaker 1>mic went on every morning at six am and for

0:53:13.640 --> 0:53:16.439
<v Speaker 1>four hours, five days a week, twenty hours a week,

0:53:16.600 --> 0:53:18.600
<v Speaker 1>I had to go into an act and that would

0:53:18.600 --> 0:53:20.560
<v Speaker 1>have sucked. And you can figure it out really quick.

0:53:21.200 --> 0:53:23.600
<v Speaker 1>So the best thing is just to be yourself. You

0:53:23.640 --> 0:53:25.719
<v Speaker 1>need to get excepted for it or not. And that

0:53:25.800 --> 0:53:27.799
<v Speaker 1>was the one thing, the piece of advice I would

0:53:27.840 --> 0:53:31.520
<v Speaker 1>have For athletes that would come through, I would say,

0:53:31.800 --> 0:53:36.879
<v Speaker 1>don't try too hard. You know the game you're You're

0:53:36.920 --> 0:53:38.640
<v Speaker 1>not gonna get put out. You're not going to get

0:53:39.000 --> 0:53:42.000
<v Speaker 1>thrown to the walls if you're if you're here from

0:53:42.000 --> 0:53:45.600
<v Speaker 1>the NBA and on the car wash, you're gonna talk NBA.

0:53:45.840 --> 0:53:48.560
<v Speaker 1>If you're here for NFL, you're gonna talk NFL. No

0:53:48.600 --> 0:53:51.560
<v Speaker 1>one's gonna try and sideswipe you, make you look bad.

0:53:51.840 --> 0:53:53.520
<v Speaker 1>We're here, we want you to come back, so we're

0:53:53.520 --> 0:53:55.719
<v Speaker 1>gonna we're gonna put you in a position to win.

0:53:56.320 --> 0:54:02.000
<v Speaker 1>So just be natural, be who you are, conversational because

0:54:02.239 --> 0:54:05.319
<v Speaker 1>the producers and such will try and every time, every

0:54:05.320 --> 0:54:07.680
<v Speaker 1>now and then will say, okay, when you talk, this

0:54:07.760 --> 0:54:09.720
<v Speaker 1>camera will be on you. You look at that camera

0:54:09.760 --> 0:54:11.799
<v Speaker 1>and I'd be like, don't worry about that ship. Just

0:54:11.880 --> 0:54:14.680
<v Speaker 1>talk to the person that's talking to you. Just have

0:54:14.840 --> 0:54:17.759
<v Speaker 1>the conversation with them, and be yourself because you're gonna

0:54:17.760 --> 0:54:19.880
<v Speaker 1>talk to a lot of different people who talk to

0:54:19.960 --> 0:54:24.160
<v Speaker 1>you in different ways. Just be yourself. Just be conversational.

0:54:24.480 --> 0:54:27.520
<v Speaker 1>Don't try and put on an act for anybody. Don't

0:54:27.560 --> 0:54:30.359
<v Speaker 1>try and get two in depth because you know, while

0:54:30.400 --> 0:54:32.200
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people want to think they know all

0:54:32.200 --> 0:54:34.560
<v Speaker 1>the ins and out to the games. They don't. You

0:54:34.640 --> 0:54:38.960
<v Speaker 1>don't have to dive into unbelievable breakdowns of offense or defense.

0:54:39.239 --> 0:54:41.720
<v Speaker 1>Just do it enough so people understand what you're saying.

0:54:42.120 --> 0:54:44.080
<v Speaker 1>And have fun. Man, if you want to crack a joke,

0:54:44.160 --> 0:54:45.920
<v Speaker 1>crack joke. If you want to laugh a little bit,

0:54:46.040 --> 0:54:48.560
<v Speaker 1>laugh a little bit. But that was really the biggest

0:54:48.600 --> 0:54:50.520
<v Speaker 1>thing I would say, because a lot of times we

0:54:50.560 --> 0:54:53.120
<v Speaker 1>had them first, because our show was in the morning

0:54:53.360 --> 0:54:55.520
<v Speaker 1>before they would move on to the next radio show

0:54:55.600 --> 0:54:58.279
<v Speaker 1>or the next you know, a noon sports center and

0:54:58.320 --> 0:55:00.680
<v Speaker 1>then on to the NFL Live, then out to six

0:55:00.719 --> 0:55:03.399
<v Speaker 1>o'clock Sports center. So we get him first. And that's

0:55:03.400 --> 0:55:06.000
<v Speaker 1>what I would always say. Just do your thing, Just

0:55:06.120 --> 0:55:09.799
<v Speaker 1>be yourself, just be your personality. But I've also had

0:55:09.880 --> 0:55:12.879
<v Speaker 1>guys and they're great players. A great player who shall

0:55:12.960 --> 0:55:16.480
<v Speaker 1>remain nameless, and unfortunately has passed away. He came in

0:55:16.640 --> 0:55:19.360
<v Speaker 1>and I was talking to him before his audition for

0:55:19.360 --> 0:55:22.319
<v Speaker 1>for one of the shows, and he said, Man, just

0:55:22.600 --> 0:55:24.160
<v Speaker 1>tell me how to get through this. I don't really

0:55:24.160 --> 0:55:25.719
<v Speaker 1>want to work too hard. I just want to kind

0:55:25.719 --> 0:55:27.600
<v Speaker 1>of get through it and skate and just you know,

0:55:27.960 --> 0:55:30.080
<v Speaker 1>have this as an easy second way to make some money.

0:55:30.080 --> 0:55:32.560
<v Speaker 1>And I'm like, dude, that ain't gonna happen. I said,

0:55:32.560 --> 0:55:34.719
<v Speaker 1>if you're gonna come here, be specific to a show,

0:55:35.040 --> 0:55:37.000
<v Speaker 1>you gotta put your time in. You know. When I

0:55:37.040 --> 0:55:40.280
<v Speaker 1>first started working NFL Live, you know, I called coaches

0:55:40.320 --> 0:55:42.360
<v Speaker 1>and I called talk to players, you know, and I

0:55:42.480 --> 0:55:45.360
<v Speaker 1>made sure because the one thing Steve and I know,

0:55:45.400 --> 0:55:46.799
<v Speaker 1>as you find out, when you get out of the

0:55:46.800 --> 0:55:50.080
<v Speaker 1>game and you start criticizing guys you just played with,

0:55:51.000 --> 0:55:54.360
<v Speaker 1>and you know, you damn well better be right, because

0:55:54.600 --> 0:55:56.960
<v Speaker 1>I would do that, and then I'd be out on

0:55:57.000 --> 0:55:59.520
<v Speaker 1>the road for Sunday Countdown and a player would come

0:55:59.600 --> 0:56:01.560
<v Speaker 1>up and be pissed at me, and I'd say, what

0:56:01.640 --> 0:56:03.520
<v Speaker 1>did you hear? And of course you'd say, you know,

0:56:03.640 --> 0:56:07.759
<v Speaker 1>my brother's friends, cousin dad heard you say this. And

0:56:07.800 --> 0:56:09.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, come on, did you hear me say it?

0:56:09.760 --> 0:56:11.520
<v Speaker 1>What did they hear you say? You know? And they

0:56:11.520 --> 0:56:13.239
<v Speaker 1>would say, and I said, no, I didn't say that.

0:56:13.400 --> 0:56:15.480
<v Speaker 1>This is what I said, you know, because you get

0:56:15.520 --> 0:56:18.839
<v Speaker 1>some sensitive guys out there, so you had to know

0:56:19.280 --> 0:56:21.680
<v Speaker 1>what you were saying. If you were going to criticize him,

0:56:21.719 --> 0:56:23.920
<v Speaker 1>you had to you had to know that or just say, hey,

0:56:23.960 --> 0:56:25.719
<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure the coverage here or I'm not sure

0:56:25.760 --> 0:56:27.839
<v Speaker 1>what the blocking scheme was, but it looks like this

0:56:27.920 --> 0:56:30.160
<v Speaker 1>or it looks like that. But that was the biggest

0:56:30.160 --> 0:56:33.480
<v Speaker 1>thing I think I would would tell the people is man,

0:56:33.560 --> 0:56:35.640
<v Speaker 1>just just do your thing. And the best one of

0:56:35.680 --> 0:56:38.000
<v Speaker 1>all that that I have ever been around. I knew

0:56:38.040 --> 0:56:39.560
<v Speaker 1>him when he was with the Sixers and I was

0:56:39.560 --> 0:56:41.120
<v Speaker 1>with the Eagles. I mean, he's been on my show

0:56:41.160 --> 0:56:43.760
<v Speaker 1>a ton of Charles Park. I mean, you know, Chuck

0:56:43.760 --> 0:56:46.560
<v Speaker 1>being Chuck is about as as as good as you

0:56:46.560 --> 0:56:49.400
<v Speaker 1>can get. And some people like him, some people don't.

0:56:49.760 --> 0:56:53.440
<v Speaker 1>But he's just himself. And I know, Steve, that's something

0:56:53.480 --> 0:56:55.480
<v Speaker 1>that I noticed that you right away as you just

0:56:56.080 --> 0:56:58.920
<v Speaker 1>you're just were yourself, you know, and that's what is

0:56:58.920 --> 0:57:00.960
<v Speaker 1>going to carry some so you don't have to put

0:57:01.000 --> 0:57:04.160
<v Speaker 1>on an act as you move up in the business. Well,

0:57:04.160 --> 0:57:06.759
<v Speaker 1>our last segment here, Mike has called the D three.

0:57:06.800 --> 0:57:09.359
<v Speaker 1>These are three questions that go beyond who you were

0:57:09.400 --> 0:57:11.560
<v Speaker 1>in the football field, who you are and listen, just

0:57:11.719 --> 0:57:13.759
<v Speaker 1>let's just get to know who Mike is. So, Steve,

0:57:13.840 --> 0:57:18.840
<v Speaker 1>Oka are You've achieved so much, you know, being have

0:57:18.960 --> 0:57:22.400
<v Speaker 1>an opportunity not just going on leven on the late

0:57:22.520 --> 0:57:27.320
<v Speaker 1>night shows, eleven times, meeting the President, getting some emmies,

0:57:27.400 --> 0:57:30.920
<v Speaker 1>doing all the stuff for success, getting paid the King's

0:57:31.000 --> 0:57:36.520
<v Speaker 1>ransom to talk about sports. With that, all those achievements,

0:57:37.400 --> 0:57:41.360
<v Speaker 1>and there are there any Moustowes left that you wish

0:57:41.760 --> 0:57:47.680
<v Speaker 1>or still desire to reach. Um, that's a really good question.

0:57:47.840 --> 0:57:54.280
<v Speaker 1>Thank you appreciate. Yeah, I guess. I mean I did

0:57:54.320 --> 0:57:56.120
<v Speaker 1>a couple of years of where we did the extra

0:57:56.160 --> 0:57:58.560
<v Speaker 1>Monday night football game. I would say that, you know,

0:57:58.680 --> 0:58:00.919
<v Speaker 1>but we did that. Do a old easy would be nice,

0:58:01.360 --> 0:58:02.680
<v Speaker 1>you know what I'd like to do, And I did

0:58:02.720 --> 0:58:06.680
<v Speaker 1>it once with I've become good friends with Darius Rucker

0:58:07.280 --> 0:58:09.800
<v Speaker 1>and he lost a bet to me and I actually

0:58:09.800 --> 0:58:12.360
<v Speaker 1>got to sing a song on stage at one of

0:58:12.400 --> 0:58:15.400
<v Speaker 1>his concerts in front of people. Let me tell you

0:58:15.400 --> 0:58:18.600
<v Speaker 1>that I have a few beverages before that one. You

0:58:19.960 --> 0:58:23.440
<v Speaker 1>was right, Yeah, he had to sing, He had to

0:58:23.480 --> 0:58:25.760
<v Speaker 1>sing that, he had to sing the Notre Dame fights

0:58:25.800 --> 0:58:27.720
<v Speaker 1>on him and I sang a song. He said he

0:58:27.800 --> 0:58:31.480
<v Speaker 1>just can't sing any of my songs. I'm like, okay, thanks, Um.

0:58:31.720 --> 0:58:34.480
<v Speaker 1>I love to try and sing. I karaoke a lot.

0:58:34.600 --> 0:58:36.760
<v Speaker 1>I'd like to do that again. I'd like to sing.

0:58:37.120 --> 0:58:38.800
<v Speaker 1>I'd like to and I've gotten to know a few,

0:58:38.880 --> 0:58:41.320
<v Speaker 1>especially of the country guys. I'd like to win another

0:58:41.360 --> 0:58:44.480
<v Speaker 1>bet and singing another concert. I enjoyed that a lot.

0:58:44.760 --> 0:58:47.280
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it was nerve wracking as hell, but man,

0:58:47.320 --> 0:58:48.920
<v Speaker 1>did I like it. So I would like to do

0:58:48.960 --> 0:58:50.880
<v Speaker 1>that again. So did they set you up with the

0:58:50.920 --> 0:58:55.840
<v Speaker 1>earpiece and there? And they told me it was it

0:58:55.960 --> 0:58:58.280
<v Speaker 1>was taken easy by the eagles, is what I sang.

0:58:58.600 --> 0:59:02.280
<v Speaker 1>And it had was one of those um stages where

0:59:02.280 --> 0:59:04.600
<v Speaker 1>it had you could walk out by the fans, but

0:59:04.760 --> 0:59:07.120
<v Speaker 1>right where the crux wasn't and most of it where

0:59:07.160 --> 0:59:10.120
<v Speaker 1>the two speakers. They said, stay between the two speakers.

0:59:10.320 --> 0:59:12.439
<v Speaker 1>If you walk out, you're gonna get the reverb because

0:59:12.440 --> 0:59:14.080
<v Speaker 1>you don't have those in you may be off on

0:59:14.120 --> 0:59:17.400
<v Speaker 1>the song. So I got into it. I'm singing this

0:59:17.520 --> 0:59:20.400
<v Speaker 1>song and I am I mean, I'm about six seven

0:59:20.480 --> 0:59:23.200
<v Speaker 1>drinks in. I am singing the ship out of that song.

0:59:23.920 --> 0:59:27.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm singing the ship out of this song, and I

0:59:27.560 --> 0:59:30.320
<v Speaker 1>am feeling it, you know, But families in the audience,

0:59:30.320 --> 0:59:33.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, at no point to him, yeah, singing, They

0:59:33.080 --> 0:59:35.160
<v Speaker 1>told me afterward they all freaked out. They all went

0:59:35.160 --> 0:59:37.960
<v Speaker 1>oh ship, and I walked out and and somehow I

0:59:38.080 --> 0:59:40.720
<v Speaker 1>was fortunate enough to stay stay with the beat. But

0:59:40.800 --> 0:59:43.200
<v Speaker 1>I mean, that was so much fun. I didn't care

0:59:43.240 --> 0:59:45.400
<v Speaker 1>how I sounded. They said it sounded all right, you

0:59:45.440 --> 0:59:48.640
<v Speaker 1>know again, I didn't care. So that was fun and

0:59:48.720 --> 0:59:51.440
<v Speaker 1>I dig that. So that that's the old thing. I

0:59:51.440 --> 0:59:54.320
<v Speaker 1>think athletes want to be entertainers, and entertainers always want

0:59:54.360 --> 0:59:56.720
<v Speaker 1>to be athletes, So that would be something I would

0:59:56.720 --> 1:00:00.320
<v Speaker 1>like to continue to live out is singing. I signed

1:00:00.360 --> 1:00:02.880
<v Speaker 1>up performing with Darius Rooker. What do you think is

1:00:02.960 --> 1:00:09.520
<v Speaker 1>your biggest non sports accomplishment in your life? You know, um, easily.

1:00:09.640 --> 1:00:12.520
<v Speaker 1>To me, it's raising my three kids, you know, with

1:00:12.600 --> 1:00:16.080
<v Speaker 1>my wife. I mean we we had said when we

1:00:16.120 --> 1:00:20.160
<v Speaker 1>started having kids, everything was gonna be about them, um.

1:00:20.200 --> 1:00:23.440
<v Speaker 1>And it was. Even with my my work, I was

1:00:23.480 --> 1:00:26.600
<v Speaker 1>done at ten o'clock every day, so I was I

1:00:26.720 --> 1:00:29.200
<v Speaker 1>was the lunch dad at school. I coached the kids

1:00:29.200 --> 1:00:31.840
<v Speaker 1>in all their little league sports. And I was calling

1:00:31.920 --> 1:00:34.000
<v Speaker 1>college games on the weekend then, and I told the

1:00:34.200 --> 1:00:37.680
<v Speaker 1>ESPN one my oldest which was Mike, got to high school,

1:00:37.720 --> 1:00:40.080
<v Speaker 1>I was gonna stop calling college games because I wanted

1:00:40.080 --> 1:00:42.520
<v Speaker 1>to be around the weekend to see all their games,

1:00:42.520 --> 1:00:45.160
<v Speaker 1>so I was able to coach him in little league,

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<v Speaker 1>hang out at their school. I traveled to every one

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<v Speaker 1>of the Mike and Jake's football games Homer away uh

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<v Speaker 1>in high school and college, everyone of Sydney's national swim

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<v Speaker 1>meets before she got to college, and all her swim meets.

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<v Speaker 1>So um, you know, and I know that makes sound

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<v Speaker 1>sappy and all that, but that was that's how we

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<v Speaker 1>That's what we wanted, you know. We we wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>be in our kids lives and and be there because

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<v Speaker 1>my dad had to work two jobs. And my dad

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<v Speaker 1>still found found time to coach me in all our

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<v Speaker 1>little league stuff, some stuff he couldn't be at because

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<v Speaker 1>he had to work two jobs. I was very fortunate

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<v Speaker 1>in this profession between football and then broadcasting to be

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<v Speaker 1>in a position where I could be there, and I

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<v Speaker 1>was damn well going to be there. So that that's

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<v Speaker 1>probably the biggest thing for me. I know, for me

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<v Speaker 1>and my wife, that we were around a lot for

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<v Speaker 1>our kids as they grew up, and now they're adults

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<v Speaker 1>and so they're funked up. I guess it's not me.

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<v Speaker 1>I love to ruin this from Mike. So the last

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<v Speaker 1>question if you didn't do sports, What do you think

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<v Speaker 1>you'd be doing right now? Boy, that that's a that

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<v Speaker 1>is a million dollar question. I have to think I would.

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<v Speaker 1>I would have used my degree for Notre Dame. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean a lot of people do, and I do think

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<v Speaker 1>and that's one of the things that I learned. Again.

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<v Speaker 1>I got to see Notre Dame from twelve years old

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<v Speaker 1>all the way through my years and then my kids years,

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<v Speaker 1>So I know a lot of what it's about, and

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<v Speaker 1>I know the pipeline and I know the connections that

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<v Speaker 1>you can have. So I would imagine I would have

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<v Speaker 1>been a guy that would have sought out those and

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<v Speaker 1>I would have gone into the business world. I I

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<v Speaker 1>did did well enough in school and what my major

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<v Speaker 1>was where I could have gone into wherever that would

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<v Speaker 1>have taken me. But that's probably what I would have done.

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<v Speaker 1>I would have used a connection to try and get

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<v Speaker 1>a job somewhere and then gone from there, um and

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<v Speaker 1>see where that led me. Where that would have I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, um, but I certainly wouldn't trade what I

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<v Speaker 1>did for the world, man, that's for sure. Well. We

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate your time, man, It's been great to talk to you.

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<v Speaker 1>Always admire you loved um. You know obviously because of

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<v Speaker 1>our broadcasting. You know, the super Bowl is where the

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<v Speaker 1>Super Bowl usually is where we all get to kind

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<v Speaker 1>of meet and talk to each other. Then there's been

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<v Speaker 1>so many times me and go Li we when I

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<v Speaker 1>started off working with him as a player and then

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<v Speaker 1>I got out. We see each other at different events

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<v Speaker 1>and man, it was man missing you bro missing. We

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<v Speaker 1>got l A. Let's hope we get back next year.

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<v Speaker 1>L A is back to normal. We'll get to see

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<v Speaker 1>everybody again. All right, Well, appreciate it. Thanks for your

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<v Speaker 1>time you got guys. Thanks, You are a unique person.

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<v Speaker 1>You are well worth it. You are competent and most

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