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Speaker 1: sit through white male anks of gases with wolves. Certainly

432
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Speaker 1: you can sit there and listen to huse people living

433
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 1: through their experiences because they live at twenty four to

434
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 1: seven and they don't have a pause on the TV

435
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,640
Speaker 1: and could go get something from the refrigerator, and and

436
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 1: and the things in life goes on. It's it's a

437
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 1: very arduous experience and it's a very traumatic and very

438
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 1: painful experience. So yeah, one of the I considered it

439
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:46,760
Speaker 1: a compliment. Now, I was interviewing an unhoused person in

440
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:50,439
Speaker 1: Echo Park like a year ago, and I'll never forget

441
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 1: They said, You're the only reporter I know that doesn't

442
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 1: ask questions, which you know you can take either way.

443
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 1: A lot of reporters ask a lot of questions. But

444
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 1: again I just want to start miss or miss or

445
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,159
Speaker 1: miss the mark. They can ask all the questions that

446
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 1: are not germane to their experience and miss the mark.

447
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 1: But like you say, you asked probing questions that get

448
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 1: them to communicate about themselves. That's a difference. Yeah, exactly. Yeah,

449
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 1: giving people an opportunity to speak, and I find that

450
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 1: a lot of times people are surprised that I'm down

451
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 1: to just listen to them. And the fact that too

452
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:34,680
Speaker 1: that we have that's infiltrated in the un housed community

453
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:38,439
Speaker 1: is people that have and I am not disparaging religion,

454
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:42,960
Speaker 1: but we have an infection with fanatical religious people who

455
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:46,440
Speaker 1: have believed that they are doing God's work, but they

456
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,920
Speaker 1: are also doing a major lot of harm. Like King Craft,

457
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 1: Andy Bales, they are not four of the house people.

458
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,119
Speaker 1: I could tell you some horrible stories, but the idea

459
00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:00,240
Speaker 1: is anytime that you're going to these places and and

460
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 1: openly okay with demonizing unhouse people, but then you're trying

461
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 1: to think that you're doing the Lord's work, that's a

462
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:12,159
Speaker 1: different thing. It's weirdly let It was funny, uh uh

463
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,679
Speaker 1: funny that I had one of the unhoused people a

464
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 1: couple of power ups ago. They asked me what church

465
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 1: do you are? Because before they got in live you know,

466
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 1: because and we told we're not from you could see like,

467
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:28,639
Speaker 1: oh my God, thank God, because you know they you know,

468
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:30,679
Speaker 1: because usually churches have you got to sit there and

469
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:32,879
Speaker 1: hear them yell and preach at you or tell you

470
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 1: go in the hell that you're living a life of

471
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 1: sin or whatever. And I service everybody the lgbut h

472
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:43,880
Speaker 1: physical divergence, I don't care. And these things have infected

473
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 1: skid roll in other places and they make a conditional

474
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 1: that you get the services. And the difference is like

475
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 1: you know, like the Salvation Army, they're against transgendered community

476
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 1: members and you know, but they people tout them as

477
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,719
Speaker 1: a place to throw them into this so they are

478
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 1: creating more harmful spaces than they are as good. Yeah,

479
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 1: one thing you pointed out about power up as well,

480
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 1: it's just that you're trying to target areas where there

481
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 1: are less resources for roun house team members. Can you

482
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 1: just talk a little bit about how you know services

483
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 1: are structured in LA Well, one of the things that

484
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 1: if we have to give it, if I could give

485
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:25,879
Speaker 1: a little history I've been put my teacher hat on

486
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,440
Speaker 1: of it to give a little history about how house

487
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 1: been faced. It is an old idea from the old

488
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 1: poor Laws of fifteen thirty six, but it trans mortified

489
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 1: themselves to because we have a puritanical religious slant that

490
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 1: he who did do not work does not eat. And

491
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 1: as time and progress, there was a conversation by a

492
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 1: nun that says, if we could contain the poor in

493
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 1: certain areas like skid row, because that's where the hobos

494
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 1: or the white un housed people. I had congregated during

495
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 1: different times in World War two, were in depression and

496
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 1: that time, and it became a change of different color

497
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 1: after the Civil rights and and and the introduction or

498
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 1: infiltration of crack cocaine in the communities UH in underserved communities.

499
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,479
Speaker 1: So it became an issue that skid Roll was the

500
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 1: only place that people would go. I had people tell me,

501
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 1: if you want to get services, go down to skid Row.

502
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 1: Now I don't have substitutis what I mean to say,

503
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 1: but go down and skid row. When you know I'm

504
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 1: fleaning the best, we go down to skid Row. Well,

505
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 1: I'm elderly and got this a dimension, Go down and

506
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 1: skid row. I mean, that was the issue that I had,

507
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 1: and I love that skid Row gets helped. But when

508
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 1: I started living in other places like Chinatown, Little Tokyo,

509
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 1: Korea Town, Santa Monica, these places held a dearth of services.

510
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 1: They did not have the enough services. And it shouldn't

511
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 1: have to be that in house people have to make

512
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 1: a two or three hour or two a day trip

513
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 1: to go down to get services that they may not

514
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 1: get because it got such a need down there, such

515
00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 1: a line just to get fed. So I what's motivated,

516
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 1: and I insist when I partner with other organizations, I said,

517
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 1: we must go somewhere but outside of skip Rope, because

518
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 1: if I don't want to be tacked on people thinking

519
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 1: like we're some religious fanaticism. I don't want to be

520
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 1: tacked on that we are going to with told services

521
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 1: if they have you know, they have a like what

522
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 1: we had Saturday, Alexi. But the guy had a a overdose.

523
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 1: You know, it happens. We know that. That's why you're

524
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 1: out here. We understand that. But you're still going to

525
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 1: get services, You're still going to be helped. I'm not

526
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 1: telling you you're going to hell, and I'm not telling

527
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 1: you that you know you need to be doing this

528
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 1: and cooking yourself up by your schools. Just you need

529
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 1: a job, just stay and o the drugs. This is

530
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 1: I'm not Nancy Reagan, so I don't understand that idea.

531
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:46,719
Speaker 1: We meet people where they are because if they're broken,

532
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 1: we've broken class cuts and we do the same things

533
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 1: in order for us to cope and go through day

534
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 1: to day. Nobody has it's without approach. Yeah, I was

535
00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:00,120
Speaker 1: really impressed with the way you handle that situation and

536
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 1: kept your cool throughout. It was really impressive. One thing

537
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 1: I've noticed in my reporting is that some of these

538
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 1: more far flung places that have less services, they also

539
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 1: experience a lot of nimbiaism criminalization. I've seen you in

540
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 1: in the Valley and Van Eyes and you know, on

541
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 1: Etna Street, and I know you've also been down in

542
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 1: the South Bay as well, covering sweeps there. I wonder

543
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 1: if you could talk about that correlation a bit, you know,

544
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 1: Nimbiasm is like it's like various degrees of like cancer,

545
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 1: some nimbiasm here, like here in the major city of

546
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 1: downtown proper, they have their own form, but like in

547
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 1: the Valley, it's really unchecked. You probably have seen it too.

548
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 1: It's because they have the support of the city council.

549
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 1: It's in a far flung place. It is hard for

550
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 1: activisation of activists to come and report on the scene.

551
00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 1: And and what it really pushed me to start doing

552
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 1: it unhoused people when they were see in the Valley

553
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 1: and content. You really got to come out of here,

554
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 1: come out here to show it, you know. And I

555
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 1: you know, and I get so many requests from New

556
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 1: York and like Canada. I even get it over in

557
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 1: the UK people want me to go and cover it

558
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 1: because it's like I know, I'm like, damn, it's you know,

559
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 1: it's everywhere. But it's like when I would go down

560
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 1: there and I noticed, I'm like, dude, I can see

561
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 1: why people are affected because you wouldn't know that they're

562
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 1: being swept at two o'clock in the morning, or you

563
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 1: wouldn't know that they're being harassed by the police because

564
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 1: people think the police are just doing their job, or

565
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 1: they just you know, you know, I haven't they took

566
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 1: a kitten out of the tree, and they see on

567
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 1: a video and social media, but they don't see at

568
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 1: the middle of the night when there's no one around

569
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 1: that terrorized and unhouse people trying to For example, for

570
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 1: the immigrant community, there is an immigrant family that had

571
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 1: COVID nineteen and during COVID nineteen, the conf would incessantly

572
00:32:56,040 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 1: come in and force and sell her husband, who was undocumented,

573
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 1: that he was going to have him deported and take

574
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 1: her child, these kind of things, and these are cops

575
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 1: sounding this this not you know, and when you do

576
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 1: this so much, and when you don't have anyone there

577
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 1: that cares or anyone that reports, mainstream media is not

578
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 1: covering it. You don't hear any stories on channels to news.

579
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 1: You hear about some horrible crime of an unhoused person

580
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 1: does something to house persons, but you don't hear house

581
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 1: people doing these kind of horrible things, like in venice,

582
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 1: about the people that are in police protection because of

583
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 1: house people are running up on their encampments and setting

584
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 1: on fire, you know, like the encampment fire that was

585
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 1: out in Eagle Rock. People were up in arms thinking

586
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 1: it was unhoused people until it was discovered it was

587
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 1: this Chamber of commerce son, who is house that had

588
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 1: set fired and killed these unhoused people. But you don't

589
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 1: see those kinds of conversations come up in polite conversations.

590
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 1: You only hear about the unhoused acts or behaviors. Yeah,

591
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 1: and by the way, way that that man from Eagle

592
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 1: Rock was recently charged, but it took took a while

593
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 1: for him to Yeah, I believe like a couple of years.

594
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:15,360
Speaker 1: I want to make sure that we have time for questions. Savannah,

595
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:22,399
Speaker 1: how are we doing on time? We're doing good? Thank you? Okay, cool?

596
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:26,879
Speaker 1: How much time do you ever fleet? The class goes

597
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:34,240
Speaker 1: until six fifty. I'm sorry, no, fifty No, I'm kidding.

598
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 1: It goes until Natalie, I'm blanking out. No, it was

599
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 1: until six but is it? Yeah, I was gonna, I

600
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 1: was getting worried. Okay, what the heck? So, yeah, the

601
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 1: class goes until six fifty, but you don't have to

602
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 1: take that full time. But there's plenty of time if

603
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 1: you want to continue conversation and for question answers, Well, yeah,

604
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 1: I think too. We could return back having a conversation.

605
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 1: But if we want to get some time for people

606
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 1: to have questions or some moderation of that, I'm open

607
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,399
Speaker 1: into that as well, because I do hopefully I'm really

608
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 1: hoping that the people in the class have taken the

609
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:12,799
Speaker 1: time to look at the videos because there's a lot

610
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 1: of like a lot to unpack there, because it's not

611
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 1: just I just didn't throw videos together. I have reasons

612
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 1: why I do certain things. So yeah, hopefully, hopefully people

613
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 1: have time to watch some of videos videos. He not

614
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 1: only does the podcast but also produces videos as well.

615
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 1: I guess if Yeah, I mean, I would love for

616
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 1: if anyone has any questions or you know, wants us

617
00:35:56,200 --> 00:36:06,360
Speaker 1: to discuss anything, maybe throw stuff in the chat. I

618
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 1: have a question. Thank you both for being here today,

619
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:13,799
Speaker 1: I'm not a housing expert, so I'm sorry, I don't

620
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 1: really know you know a lot on like housing policies

621
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 1: and stuff. But I guess I'm just curious, like what

622
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 1: your thoughts are on like the housing first model and

623
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 1: how that's worked in California, because I know that, you know,

624
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 1: the housing first approach like wasn't really met with success

625
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 1: in California, mostly because they had so many like restrictions

626
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 1: as to who could be housed and stuff like that, right,

627
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 1: And so I guess I'm just wondering, like, is the

628
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 1: housing first model still the predominant, you know, approach in

629
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:47,879
Speaker 1: terms of like policy solutions in California, or like, yeah,

630
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 1: I guess what are your what are your thoughts on

631
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 1: on that Housing first, on his face, is a wonderful solution.

632
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 1: Unfortunately that it could have been fleshed out and development,

633
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 1: but unfortunately, basically many times it's been derailed. It's by nimbiasm,

634
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 1: and politicians don't want to talk have the courage to

635
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 1: tell Nimbiasm, the reason why we can't do these things

636
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 1: is because of you. Because they don't want they know

637
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 1: that they're going to have to be going up for reelection.

638
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 1: Housing first means to me, it's like with supportive services,

639
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 1: it's such a according to copia of people that need

640
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 1: different things. So when we say a house person has

641
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 1: substant usage and we put them in let's say, for example,

642
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 1: project room key and he relapsed, we throw him out. Okay,

643
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 1: that's not helping. We knew he had us up to

644
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 1: usage problem. He's not magically going to just stop. We

645
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:45,400
Speaker 1: don't have the services there to create that. Or like

646
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 1: the gentleman black Wolf he would used to tell me,

647
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 1: which is he's right that you know you know I'm schizophrenic.

648
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 1: It's like and you know I don't have my medication.

649
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 1: So if I don't have the medication and I have

650
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 1: an episode, you throw me. How is this helping me?

651
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's where we are are. I mean,

652
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 1: you know, we've got to understand that there's people who

653
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 1: have all sorts of issues, like you know, from skin cancer,

654
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,720
Speaker 1: from this, from domestic use, or people who are filling

655
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 1: with trauma. They're not going to be skipping down a

656
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 1: six swing with a coca and a small We've got

657
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 1: to face the reality that human behavior human things that

658
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:19,919
Speaker 1: we have to meet people where they are in order

659
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 1: for housing first to work, we have to make sure

660
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:24,240
Speaker 1: we have to follow up, Like for example, the project

661
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:27,760
Speaker 1: room key that we're living overdoses and the reason why

662
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 1: is because we didn't have her reduction there. We didn't

663
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 1: have people there to understand. But let someone come in

664
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 1: there and they have an episode, they're going to throw

665
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 1: them out, So which creates this continuous cycle of of

666
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 1: disconnected this. Yeah, I'll just add one thing I learned

667
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:54,280
Speaker 1: early on reporting on the un house community. A counselor

668
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 1: told me that a house is more than a roof

669
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 1: over your head. You know, it's not just enough to

670
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 1: put somebody in a room or you know, essentially a box. You,

671
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 1: like THEO said, you also need services that go with that.

672
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 1: And you know you need to tailor housing for different

673
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:17,439
Speaker 1: people in different communities. So I think, like THEO said,

674
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 1: it can work, but it's it's more complicated than just

675
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 1: building housing units. And also I'll add to that is

676
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 1: I think, you know, you know, housing is about community

677
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 1: in a lot of ways, so or isolated. Like I

678
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 1: wrote a story about a gentleman that was run over

679
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 1: by a car. I watched him get run over by

680
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 1: a car, an unhoused man, and I helped him get

681
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 1: into a project room, key location, but that location was

682
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 1: all the way on the west side, and you know,

683
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 1: he's he's near like Echo Park, So that took him

684
00:39:56,719 --> 00:40:00,360
Speaker 1: away from the community that he's been in for years years,

685
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,879
Speaker 1: where he knows people and where people help him out,

686
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 1: and they stuck him on the west side, and you know,

687
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 1: long story short, it didn't work out. You know, he

688
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 1: had room and and you know he was he was

689
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 1: happy and thankful that he you know, was able to

690
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 1: take a few showers, but ultimately it didn't didn't work

691
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 1: out for him. And that's a good point too, because

692
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 1: like for example, where Nimbis wanted to play claim that

693
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:27,240
Speaker 1: they are the only ones in the community, their children

694
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 1: and all this nonsensical that they put into it. And

695
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:32,839
Speaker 1: house people are usually in places where they get resources

696
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 1: and they get a separate and people, even though the

697
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 1: Nimbis don't, might not understand it. But I stayed in Chinatown.

698
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 1: And the reason why I stayed in Chinatown because I

699
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 1: had I was really part of the community. They looked

700
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 1: after it because I was at house. I was able

701
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 1: to babysit kids, tutor kids, help elderly people with and

702
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 1: I was I mean on how how where would you

703
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 1: know in other neighborhoods that would have allowed that? Not

704
00:40:56,840 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 1: not even close. So when we think about these things

705
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 1: that house people are our neighbors, they are our community members.

706
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 1: They are the ones that mayby, will see something and

707
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 1: they may end up having to save your life if

708
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 1: you just looked at them as a human being instead

709
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:18,799
Speaker 1: of someone something to be discarded or to ignore. Great point.

710
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 1: Thanks for that question. Then thank you another question, can

711
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 1: you speak on how's youth take that? Yes, this one

712
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 1: is multi layered and I love this question. They're a

713
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 1: different camps on house youth. There's the one camp because

714
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 1: we don't talk about a lot is that have been

715
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:45,400
Speaker 1: are in the system. That means they are a foster

716
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 1: kids and youth that does not get the support of

717
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:51,359
Speaker 1: services that they reach their age. They get the very

718
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:53,839
Speaker 1: bare minimum and they're thrown out on the street. And

719
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:56,320
Speaker 1: so you will see like them in the Hollywood or

720
00:41:56,640 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 1: I'm friends with a few of them and they are like,

721
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 1: for example, I don't know any eighteen year old without

722
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 1: the supportive family and peers that knows what they want

723
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 1: to do or the direction they have, without guidance and

724
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 1: without people giving a damn people just flounder and swim.

725
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 1: And I had an formally unhoused guy that is angry

726
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 1: at the world. He has cared nothing about anybody because

727
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 1: his experience was so horrific and so disinterested and so cruel.

728
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:31,400
Speaker 1: And I feel sorry for him because that's what's missing.

729
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 1: If we're to create a new system, a changing dismounting

730
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 1: some of the harmful things that we have done in

731
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 1: the past, we have got to invest in the youth,

732
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:43,319
Speaker 1: not just the ones that are in school. That the

733
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:46,839
Speaker 1: youth that I'm also talking about is like delicious three

734
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 1: children that are living in a car. When the people

735
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 1: talk about how the safety of their kids, but alicious

736
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:56,280
Speaker 1: kids are just the safety and you're passing that crap

737
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 1: on when you go when these kids go to school

738
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:01,319
Speaker 1: talking about their mommy and he is unsafe and they're

739
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 1: dangerous people, and you know, kids are crue they'll say

740
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 1: all kinds of things. The other other part of the

741
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 1: youth is that there is the news that are on housed.

742
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 1: Literally we just had a house woman give birth out

743
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 1: on in a tent on the street yesterday, So that's

744
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 1: that's another thing. I had philosophical beasts. He was a violinist.

745
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 1: He was born into house justice. His mama was on

746
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 1: house and he that's all he knows. He's on house,

747
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 1: and you know, he took up some skills. He left

748
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 1: home at thirteen. Actually it wasn't home, it was some

749
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 1: foster place and he lives out on the street. I

750
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,720
Speaker 1: had I believe his name was Mitchell. He was thrown

751
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 1: out of his foster cab when he was ten, so

752
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,439
Speaker 1: he had to fit for himself at ten years old.

753
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 1: So we these but these are the systems that when

754
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 1: we talked about at house house people sometimes we only

755
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 1: look at the adult, but these are the these are

756
00:43:57,080 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 1: the hitting part of it. Conversely, the totally and how

757
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:03,839
Speaker 1: you know, can you imagine your mother and your grandparents

758
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 1: out here living eating out of a garbage can or

759
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 1: stopping up on dog food and trying to survive out

760
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:12,879
Speaker 1: here in the street. No you can't, but you here.

761
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:16,320
Speaker 1: But you still have nimbies running around on social media

762
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:18,799
Speaker 1: and running around telling them to get a job, you know,

763
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:24,720
Speaker 1: stop taking off the dogs. So these these these things,

764
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 1: it's a real it's a real issue and it really needs, uh,

765
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:32,240
Speaker 1: it really needs to be highlighted and really to taking

766
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 1: to a conversational point where it's just not cut and dry. Yeah,

767
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 1: I've interviewed people that were involved in the foster system.

768
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 1: You know, some of these people, they they end up

769
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:51,879
Speaker 1: holmemless because there's just no other option after they turn

770
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 1: a certain age. They're basically not able. My understanding at

771
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:58,840
Speaker 1: least is that they're not able to take advantage of

772
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 1: her services, and a lot of them get pushed onto

773
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:14,240
Speaker 1: the streets. I hope I need a good question. Echo

774
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 1: Park Lake. Okay, I missed a question. What was that

775
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:20,319
Speaker 1: I did? Hold on, I'll put it up. I saw

776
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 1: a lot about in the news in March about the

777
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 1: raid on Echo Park with hundreds of heavily armed cops

778
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 1: and how LA Council members did not get prior notice

779
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:30,720
Speaker 1: and lied about it being a sweep. I also recently

780
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:33,839
Speaker 1: saw how people experience homelessness near Union Station were firsd

781
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 1: to move for the oscars. How can we hold elected

782
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:40,800
Speaker 1: officials accountable for things like this? Yeah? I think a

783
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 1: lot of people were really frustrated by Mitchell Farrell's response

784
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 1: to the sweeps at Echo Park Lake because he just

785
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 1: denied it and gave a lot of misleading information saying

786
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 1: that everybody got into some form of shelter. We of

787
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 1: course know through many people's wording right, it was not

788
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 1: the case. People ended up in alleyways on streets, and

789
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 1: some people outside the shelter too, like one like the

790
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 1: one I was talking with, was way out in Palmdale.

791
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 1: They let him sleep out in the streets. That that's

792
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 1: another thing. It was another conversation that was Mitchell Farrell

793
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 1: point blank is lying. He is picked, cherry picking people

794
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 1: that like that. He uses to say that he howls

795
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 1: over two hundred and nine people. He did not. I've

796
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 1: talked with him, I've had personal experience with him, and

797
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 1: there are still people not just in Koreatown and every

798
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 1: other place because of our military response. And one of

799
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:40,719
Speaker 1: the things I believe we could do to hold people

800
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:43,840
Speaker 1: accountable is for some reason we can hold up and

801
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 1: create all kinds of ballots for the most inane things.

802
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 1: We could do ballots of saying that we can eradicate

803
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:54,719
Speaker 1: special enforcement selves. We can get the people and and

804
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 1: and put it on the ballot and we vote for

805
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 1: it and stop it and stop that. We can also

806
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:03,320
Speaker 1: out that you know, uh that the police shouldn't our company,

807
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 1: Uh shouldn't the company clean up or or have sanitation

808
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:10,880
Speaker 1: not connected with it. We can do those kind of

809
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:14,880
Speaker 1: political actions, but it takes political will, it takes organization,

810
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 1: and it takes us, really all of us at house

811
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 1: and house people coming together and becoming unified enough to

812
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 1: do it. And as a writer, I would write about

813
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:44,240
Speaker 1: that stuff amplify it. Okay, we got another question. Looks say, oh, sorry,

814
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:47,319
Speaker 1: do you see the question? I only saw a part

815
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 1: of Let me see I got it. Yeah, actually no,

816
00:47:52,000 --> 00:48:01,319
Speaker 1: it wasn't a question. Okay, did did anybody have a

817
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 1: chance to watch some of the episodes that feel linked?

818
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 1: Any thoughts on this podcast or questions? Do you see

819
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 1: that one? Yeah? Yes, this was in the earlier days

820
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:27,479
Speaker 1: of meeting on housed and I didn't. I was trying

821
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 1: to feel out where I could go safely in Los Angeles.

822
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 1: I was at the house on other places and I

823
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 1: had to got to feel where it's safe. But here.

824
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 1: The reason why I was on buses is I was

825
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:45,760
Speaker 1: I found that and the later evening the traffic is lighter,

826
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 1: and then house people usually get on the bus and

827
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 1: sleep until they went end of the stop until the

828
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 1: other and seven twenty particularly was the one I usually

829
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 1: go because they grown pretty much all night. You'll have to,

830
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:01,360
Speaker 1: you know, And coming from UH all the way downtown

831
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 1: of Commerce City all the way to now in Santa Monica,

832
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:07,880
Speaker 1: that's a good reasonable way to be able to sleep

833
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 1: and know that you won't be attacked because you're on

834
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:12,959
Speaker 1: a bus and most of the house people are there.

835
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 1: But I also noticed that there are a lot of

836
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 1: women that were sleeping on the bus and they were

837
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:23,360
Speaker 1: dressed in the most older, unshaggily kind of heavy clothes.

838
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 1: And you know, after befriending them, I understood why because

839
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 1: they didn't want to be a sexually assaulted for housed

840
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 1: or unhoused people. And and and the threat is a

841
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 1: very real threat, you know, because when UH, you're a

842
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:38,359
Speaker 1: woman unhoused their house, people would drive up and think

843
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:41,239
Speaker 1: you're sex work and you have to deal with all

844
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 1: of that that comes along with it, you know. So

845
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 1: those those are different issues that goes on dealing with that.

846
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 1: Or they also sleep on the train, which people that

847
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 1: are coming from work are going to work complain about

848
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:57,120
Speaker 1: because of this. There's the smell, But you don't offer

849
00:49:57,160 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 1: showers for them. What do you expect? Got a couple

850
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:10,280
Speaker 1: of other good questions. THEO and I think you should

851
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 1: handle this first one. Could you also speak to the

852
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:16,720
Speaker 1: unhouse experience in light of the pandemic too. Of course,

853
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 1: you know when the pandemic hit, dining room shut down,

854
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:28,240
Speaker 1: shut down and a that, And it's a very good question.

855
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:31,800
Speaker 1: I was doing it. Weirdly enough, I was starting in

856
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:35,760
Speaker 1: the early stages of my Wdian House podcast during before

857
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 1: the pandemic, and it was so crazy, and I had

858
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:42,400
Speaker 1: I injured. It broke my ankle and so I was

859
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:46,399
Speaker 1: mobility impacted. So I could tell you literally the day

860
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 1: before and the day after the day before, everyone was

861
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:55,400
Speaker 1: bustling around, scampering, trying to I got sheltered place. The

862
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 1: next day it was like the earth is the day

863
00:50:57,160 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 1: to Earth. Still, it was a challenge trying to find

864
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 1: in a bathroom. It took me over two hours to

865
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 1: try to find a bathroom, and then two it was

866
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:09,840
Speaker 1: another ordeal to find something it because there were no restaurants.

867
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 1: And most importantly, when you go to the stores, that

868
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:18,800
Speaker 1: was the iOpening experience because house people were hoarding everything.

869
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 1: Unhoused people couldn't get anything. I mean, even if you

870
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:24,279
Speaker 1: had money, you couldn't get the things that would have

871
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:26,479
Speaker 1: been leased. Even like in a ninety nine cent store,

872
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:29,320
Speaker 1: I couldn't get anything, and going around the line was

873
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 1: wrapped around. People were fighting over toilet paper, people were fighting.

874
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:34,880
Speaker 1: I mean just you know, you know, bat bath wipes.

875
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:38,880
Speaker 1: It was it was unbelievable. So I definitely created some

876
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 1: diaries about that, and also I went out and started

877
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:45,440
Speaker 1: to take the Wiedi in house podcasts to different areas

878
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 1: and a lot it was. It was so unbelievable the

879
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 1: hunger that was out there. Because some of the places

880
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 1: that used to help unhouse people with food and things,

881
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:58,839
Speaker 1: they all everybody panicked and no one was out their services.

882
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:01,319
Speaker 1: So when I did have food, or when I did

883
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:05,920
Speaker 1: have when the mutual aid groups like Polo Pantry Thanks Melissazada,

884
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 1: I would go and give different food. It was like

885
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 1: people were so hungry they wouldn't sit down and they

886
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 1: roughly opened the package and scarf down the food. Because

887
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 1: that is how much of a dearth of services the

888
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:23,279
Speaker 1: city just you know. Of course, they decided to do

889
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 1: Project Room Key, not because out of ultra whiskey motive,

890
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 1: because they were afraid that if on house people had

891
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 1: called COVID nineteen, they would love the hospitals and house.

892
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 1: People couldn't use it, so they decided to use that.

893
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:41,879
Speaker 1: Was there impetus for doing that? You had to add

894
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 1: on to that. I started reporting on hand washing stations

895
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 1: when the pandemic hit. The city rolled out hundreds of

896
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:57,440
Speaker 1: hand washing stations and portable toilets after protests. Right, it

897
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 1: took months, and it took weeks rather and by that

898
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:03,799
Speaker 1: point a lot of organizers had already created their own

899
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 1: hand washing stations that were easier for some people to use.

900
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's something I began reporting on because they

901
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:15,760
Speaker 1: rolled out all these hand washing stations, but quickly people

902
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:20,840
Speaker 1: noticed that they weren't being maintained properly for soap, water, paper, towels.

903
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:23,880
Speaker 1: And keep in mind this, you know, this is a

904
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:27,840
Speaker 1: basic service that people had been asking for for years

905
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:32,240
Speaker 1: through the Services not Sweeps campaign, which is a correlate

906
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 1: coalition of different organizations in LA that are pushing exactly

907
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:43,840
Speaker 1: that are pushing for services over suite. So that was

908
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:46,759
Speaker 1: another thing. I mean, the city tried to respond to

909
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 1: homelessness in this so called unprecedented way. And you know,

910
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:55,800
Speaker 1: in some cases, like as far as hand washing stations,

911
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:58,880
Speaker 1: I've continued to report on those for the past fourteen months.

912
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:06,399
Speaker 1: The bodies bodies which are arguably even worse. Yeah and yeah,

913
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 1: a long story short, many of them still aren't being maintained. Absolutely,

914
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 1: and I do, I did. I wasn't as intensively involved

915
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 1: as you were, but I definitely made it a point

916
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:22,320
Speaker 1: to go around and investigating because also can people forget

917
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:24,399
Speaker 1: people got to go to the bathroom, whether your house

918
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:26,800
Speaker 1: on housed. And I hear all the time, well I

919
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 1: see people go using the bathroom. You don't have bathrooms

920
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 1: go in house people. I had when I had injured

921
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:36,239
Speaker 1: my ankle and I was going to Starbucks in Chinatown,

922
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:39,320
Speaker 1: they refused to give me to go to the bathroom,

923
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:43,320
Speaker 1: even in fact because I was disabled. They said that, uh,

924
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 1: you know you have to I have to buy something.

925
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 1: And I was like, dude, you know, public bathroom is

926
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:50,799
Speaker 1: like it's it's it's it's a necessity. You know, you know,

927
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:54,719
Speaker 1: everyone has to do it. After basically but putting them

928
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 1: about to put them on camera, they said, okay, fine,

929
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:00,319
Speaker 1: but you can't go and wash up in to use

930
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 1: the bathroom. I said, well, needless to say this, this

931
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 1: is the issues that a house people have to constantly

932
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 1: deal with from house and individuals got a couple more

933
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:23,640
Speaker 1: good questions in here. Any these thoughts on the skid

934
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:30,200
Speaker 1: Row decision, as far as that the settlement goes in

935
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 1: this this plan to clear skid row by the fall,

936
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:37,160
Speaker 1: it's not going. It's a it's a gateway to criminalization.

937
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:41,360
Speaker 1: I agree with a lot Angeer's Community Action Networks positioned

938
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 1: on that because it is it's like, because you have

939
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 1: to force them to do and they're just doing the

940
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 1: bare minimal they're putting forcing people to go into these

941
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 1: programs that already carstro They have a program like Youni

942
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 1: and Rescue Mission, l A Mission and these places that

943
00:55:56,719 --> 00:55:59,560
Speaker 1: on house people I have avoided, like the plag to

944
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:01,640
Speaker 1: be for seeing them into it. Well, then they created

945
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:05,320
Speaker 1: tiny ships. These things are offering that any solutions because

946
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 1: they know deep down nimbiism is not going to allow

947
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:10,719
Speaker 1: them to do what they need to have done. And

948
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 1: we have to basically have an open postsale idea that

949
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:18,720
Speaker 1: we need to create housing, public housing, support of housing,

950
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:26,200
Speaker 1: and recovery places in housing that could be intermixed. Yeah,

951
00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:29,719
Speaker 1: that announcement was shocking to me. You know, I know

952
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:33,759
Speaker 1: people in skid row. That's actually kind of how I

953
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:38,719
Speaker 1: got into reporting on the unhoused community. And I think

954
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 1: I just want to point one thing out about skid

955
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:45,520
Speaker 1: Row is historically it's been a predominantly black neighborhood, you know,

956
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:51,200
Speaker 1: going back to the early twentieth century and even today.

957
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:55,280
Speaker 1: You know, a lot of the people then house people

958
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:58,760
Speaker 1: in skid Row are people of color and particularly black people.

959
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:04,799
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think that says a lot about you know,

960
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:16,960
Speaker 1: this idea of clearing clearing out Skidro. Let's see someone

961
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:20,640
Speaker 1: else had the same question about the Judge Carter order.

962
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:40,880
Speaker 1: Thanks for the questions. Anything else? How many I have

963
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:44,560
Speaker 1: a question how many people think that the housing crisis

964
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 1: is the reason for houses tess and how many people

965
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 1: think that white supremacy has its fingerprints all through this.

966
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:58,240
Speaker 1: That's some somethings, as social workers maybe or or to

967
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:02,040
Speaker 1: be social workers, need to answered that question within themselves

968
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 1: because there's a lot of that going on. There's forty

969
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:07,200
Speaker 1: percent on house people are black and they make only

970
00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:10,120
Speaker 1: thirteen percent of the population. And the issue is this

971
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:13,880
Speaker 1: the big begs The question is why is that? What?

972
00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:16,640
Speaker 1: Because it cannot be that over forty Like I said,

973
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:18,800
Speaker 1: forty percent on house people don't want to work. That's

974
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:22,400
Speaker 1: not it. It It has to be some investigal issues. It's

975
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:25,680
Speaker 1: just not this high rising cost because if you look

976
00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:28,680
Speaker 1: at the history of Blacks in America that we've always

977
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:32,680
Speaker 1: have been displaced and disfranchised all the way from I

978
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 1: guess when we got here on Clement Rock until that

979
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:38,800
Speaker 1: time when the Civil Rights or actually to the Civil

980
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 1: War when they put us in concentration boats or concentration camps.

981
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:45,560
Speaker 1: And then two that any time that we had tried

982
00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:48,760
Speaker 1: to get housing or affordable housing, we were blocked down

983
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:52,680
Speaker 1: of red lighting and other kind of sundown towns and

984
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:55,840
Speaker 1: things like that. And if you do keep continually keeping

985
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:58,880
Speaker 1: these kinds of systems in place, what do you think

986
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 1: is going to happen? You create homeowner associations, then you

987
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:07,360
Speaker 1: create neighborhood counsels, and you got gentrification, which is another extent.

988
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:13,760
Speaker 1: So those issues and other communities are being told the

989
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:17,240
Speaker 1: Bookiyman is black people. For example, I get so many

990
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:21,320
Speaker 1: times when we're looking for places to find other cultures

991
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:24,920
Speaker 1: have been drinking from the well of white supremacy and

992
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:27,120
Speaker 1: they don't want to rent from our people of color

993
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:30,440
Speaker 1: or black I should say, because they have the stereotility

994
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:33,760
Speaker 1: in their mind. What can we do to decolonize the mine.

995
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:43,040
Speaker 1: It's the question. Yeah, maybe in the chat people could

996
00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:48,400
Speaker 1: just say what they think the root of homelessnesses or

997
00:59:57,080 --> 01:00:09,840
Speaker 1: don't be shy. It's amazing that we have so many

998
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:12,280
Speaker 1: people here. I just thought when I first saw I

999
01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:15,080
Speaker 1: had did a cursory glance, I only seem like maybe

1000
01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:21,760
Speaker 1: like five or six people. Now we got the problem

1001
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:28,240
Speaker 1: with houselessness reminds me of the problem incarceration. Absolutely, they

1002
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:31,160
Speaker 1: are intolinked because after you've become if you've become released

1003
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:34,720
Speaker 1: from the incarceration, you've become into a new incarceration system,

1004
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:38,080
Speaker 1: and that's houselessness. Then dealing with you can't find a home,

1005
01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:40,920
Speaker 1: or you can't find places where you can find a

1006
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:44,760
Speaker 1: livable wage. You may find the odd job here and there,

1007
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:47,640
Speaker 1: but how are you going to sustain yourself and plummet

1008
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:53,120
Speaker 1: not pumenting exploding, rising housing cross costs, as well as

1009
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:56,280
Speaker 1: you know, dealing with the racism that ensues as a

1010
01:00:56,320 --> 01:01:00,560
Speaker 1: result of that. I actually tried to apply for apartment

1011
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:05,400
Speaker 1: a while ago, and now I don't have any criminal record, obviously,

1012
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:09,640
Speaker 1: but I had my credit score. It's not say so

1013
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:14,200
Speaker 1: obviously they'd admant to me, surprise, surprise, So that's another

1014
01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:17,400
Speaker 1: form of discrimination. And then also my mind, you win

1015
01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:19,960
Speaker 1: the pandemic. Who the hell has perfect credit score through

1016
01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:22,840
Speaker 1: the pandemic because a lot of things that's been going on,

1017
01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:26,040
Speaker 1: But that's just the tool that you use. It's easily

1018
01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:32,000
Speaker 1: to justify it. Yeah, reminds me of some of the

1019
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:51,480
Speaker 1: barriers that people encounter with Section eight vouchers. Absolutely, here's

1020
01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:53,760
Speaker 1: a good one. I'd be curious to hear your perspectives

1021
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:57,920
Speaker 1: on how policymakers, social workers, and urban planners do a

1022
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:02,000
Speaker 1: better job of partnering with journalists and utilizing incredible journalism

1023
01:02:02,040 --> 01:02:05,000
Speaker 1: work you all are doing. I think it may better

1024
01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:09,840
Speaker 1: because mainstream media misses demark so I wouldn't partner with them,

1025
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:12,919
Speaker 1: but I would like like these kind of things like them.

1026
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:16,040
Speaker 1: But I would also rattle off a few names that

1027
01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:19,320
Speaker 1: I think would be great. I would say Lacks of course,

1028
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:26,959
Speaker 1: Lisa Kwan, Alyssa Walker is, Arena Carsada, Emma Albert res Uh,

1029
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:29,760
Speaker 1: these type of journalists because they are a little bit

1030
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:33,520
Speaker 1: of outliers, because they take a little bit more time

1031
01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:35,960
Speaker 1: getting to know unhouse people in some respect and want

1032
01:02:36,040 --> 01:02:38,880
Speaker 1: to bend the conversation a little bit instead of what

1033
01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:42,920
Speaker 1: their editors want to more of a punchy in line.

1034
01:02:43,120 --> 01:02:46,120
Speaker 1: So I think these these kind of conversations and policymakers

1035
01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:48,320
Speaker 1: need to do. And also they need to also listen

1036
01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:51,240
Speaker 1: to things like William Howise because they're a wealth of

1037
01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:55,280
Speaker 1: experience of unhoused people that are telling people what the

1038
01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:57,960
Speaker 1: issues are in these places. And if you're going to

1039
01:02:57,960 --> 01:02:59,960
Speaker 1: be doing any type of policy maker, you should be

1040
01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:03,320
Speaker 1: coming from there instead of some blowhard that owns a

1041
01:03:03,360 --> 01:03:06,240
Speaker 1: shelter and it thinks that we need more pro police

1042
01:03:06,280 --> 01:03:10,000
Speaker 1: and you know, more criminalization and more tough love and

1043
01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:15,800
Speaker 1: all that craziness that they got going on in these places. Yeah,

1044
01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:18,280
Speaker 1: and I'll just add I'm always interested in telling stories

1045
01:03:18,280 --> 01:03:22,280
Speaker 1: that other people aren't telling. And you know, if you

1046
01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:26,080
Speaker 1: can grab me with a story idea, you know, I

1047
01:03:26,080 --> 01:03:33,440
Speaker 1: think that's a great way to connect with journalists. Well,

1048
01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:36,720
Speaker 1: actually it's funny you asked. There is a current one

1049
01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:41,160
Speaker 1: that I have been mulling on June nineteenth that I

1050
01:03:41,240 --> 01:03:44,880
Speaker 1: am doing a weedy and how to have talent too.

1051
01:03:45,600 --> 01:03:49,280
Speaker 1: I did a fundraiser my last month, but I want

1052
01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:51,200
Speaker 1: to do and this is the premise that I need

1053
01:03:51,240 --> 01:03:55,400
Speaker 1: support and it's like it's house people could come to

1054
01:03:55,560 --> 01:03:58,880
Speaker 1: give me some help with this, it would be even rated, imagine,

1055
01:03:59,080 --> 01:04:01,760
Speaker 1: because we have so too much talent that's in the

1056
01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:04,760
Speaker 1: young housed community. I want to create a place where

1057
01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:09,400
Speaker 1: a house people have a place to show their creative

1058
01:04:09,560 --> 01:04:13,480
Speaker 1: creativity and then show it as if they win. I

1059
01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:15,840
Speaker 1: wanted to fundraise the money for them. Let's say one

1060
01:04:15,840 --> 01:04:19,040
Speaker 1: of the prizes is one week's stay at the hotel

1061
01:04:19,080 --> 01:04:21,000
Speaker 1: where they don't have to worry about the stresses of

1062
01:04:21,080 --> 01:04:24,160
Speaker 1: sweeps and the rains and rains that they happened. Two

1063
01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:28,479
Speaker 1: weeks for you know, a three week for the three

1064
01:04:28,520 --> 01:04:32,800
Speaker 1: prize winners. Having unhoused judges and these kind of creative

1065
01:04:33,080 --> 01:04:35,680
Speaker 1: things need help I need, of course, of course I

1066
01:04:35,720 --> 01:04:40,000
Speaker 1: need money, but I also need emotional or people that

1067
01:04:40,080 --> 01:04:45,280
Speaker 1: am willing to invest in creating some a consortium to

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Speaker 1: do this. So help fundraise would be so I can

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Speaker 1: be able to help as many as on house people

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Speaker 1: as I can. I'm on house, but I always believe

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Speaker 1: that only when you know, once I've gotten this door open,

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Speaker 1: I've always promised to try to make sure I get

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Speaker 1: other people into the door. I even look crack, and

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01:05:01,200 --> 01:05:02,960
Speaker 1: if I can hold it, get it and you get

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01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:06,280
Speaker 1: as many people uplifted as I possibly can. So that's

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Speaker 1: one of the direct actions that is still going on. Now.

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01:05:09,560 --> 01:05:12,520
Speaker 1: I have a power up. I'm always in need of fundraising.

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01:05:13,240 --> 01:05:16,120
Speaker 1: I'll leave mine NMO in the chat. You know, if

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Speaker 1: you feel moved, you can pass the collection plate. One

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Speaker 1: thing I'll say is that THEO is very determined, and

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Speaker 1: if he says he's going to do something, then he's

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Speaker 1: probably gonna do it. I have a question, and I

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01:05:46,200 --> 01:05:53,280
Speaker 1: can't type it fast enough. I'm wondering, like how we also, like,

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Speaker 1: in addition to building up like orgs and individuals doing

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01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:02,600
Speaker 1: great work, how do we delegitimize these like really old

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Speaker 1: school service models like you were mentioning, like Union Rescue

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Speaker 1: mission and all of these places, Like is there a

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Speaker 1: do you think it's a worthy use of effort to

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Speaker 1: like work to think through like how much money they get,

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Speaker 1: how many like UCLA students spend their time volunteering there,

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Speaker 1: et cetera. Do you think that's a valuable use of

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Speaker 1: time to think about that? And if so, like, how

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Speaker 1: do you go about kind of breaking that model down.

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Speaker 1: I'm definitely for dis battling these things, these kind of

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01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:37,080
Speaker 1: mission kind of ideas are back from the early early

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Speaker 1: fifteen hundreds and we just basically inherited an infection. So

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Speaker 1: if we could stop it doing emotional labor or creating

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Speaker 1: emotional labor to these places, that's calming causing harm and

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Speaker 1: pushing forward new systems. It's one of the reasons why

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Speaker 1: I like Black Lives Matter. We are trying to reimagine

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Speaker 1: public safety and public resources. We could do that. We

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Speaker 1: have our part to play in that too. So instead

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Speaker 1: of a UCLA going there, they can go to my

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01:07:03,560 --> 01:07:07,120
Speaker 1: power ups. They could instead of ucl I see UCLA.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you know that there is that

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Speaker 1: and hous UCLA group there on the campus. I mean

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Speaker 1: if it's not well known, it's uh here is they

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01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:19,320
Speaker 1: are doing things there. But what I would like to

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Speaker 1: see you see ex students do instead of just handing

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Speaker 1: out food is with my help is create a power

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01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:27,720
Speaker 1: up there. And I think because that is the most radical,

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Speaker 1: that is one of the things that the energy are there,

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01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:33,760
Speaker 1: that they understand these issues, what is going on in

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Speaker 1: Westwood area and how gentrification and how sometimes to harm

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01:07:38,320 --> 01:07:40,920
Speaker 1: even though you may not be actively causing it, but

1116
01:07:41,040 --> 01:07:44,600
Speaker 1: you can be accidentally harming people and not understanding what

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01:07:45,120 --> 01:07:47,200
Speaker 1: you know, what is your presence there? Why the police

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01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:51,520
Speaker 1: is always there? Of course they're trying to get police officer.

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Speaker 1: I heard on UCLA, which is great too, But that's

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Speaker 1: what that ties into it, because I remember when I

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01:07:57,200 --> 01:07:59,320
Speaker 1: would go to UCLA, but I would go to Westwood.

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01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:02,800
Speaker 1: I used to sleep in the borders uh uh not

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Speaker 1: the part of the Nobles before it gets shut down,

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01:08:05,280 --> 01:08:07,200
Speaker 1: and I would try to sneak into U c. L

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Speaker 1: A and and take a quick birdpath. But of course,

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01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:14,360
Speaker 1: you know, it was like mission impossible, because it was

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01:08:14,440 --> 01:08:16,280
Speaker 1: like I have to time it. I have to look

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Speaker 1: like I've belonged there. I have to time how I

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01:08:18,360 --> 01:08:20,519
Speaker 1: can run into the bathroom with our people running back

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01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:25,000
Speaker 1: to the librarian or public safety. So once a lot

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01:08:25,040 --> 01:08:27,160
Speaker 1: of the youth that gets there, they have already been

1132
01:08:27,360 --> 01:08:31,360
Speaker 1: indoctrinated into the anti black or anti in house sentiment

1133
01:08:31,400 --> 01:08:37,880
Speaker 1: that's going on too. Another great question just came in,

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Speaker 1: what are some steps that we can take in society

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01:08:40,280 --> 01:08:44,920
Speaker 1: to stop stigmatizing dunhoused. One thing I'll say is that

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Speaker 1: there are a lot of groups that do that have

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01:08:48,840 --> 01:08:52,719
Speaker 1: like monthly meetings and they'll actually give you some training

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01:08:52,880 --> 01:08:58,439
Speaker 1: about doing outreach and and you know how to how

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01:08:58,439 --> 01:09:02,639
Speaker 1: to communicate with dunhouse community. So you can always look

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01:09:02,680 --> 01:09:06,800
Speaker 1: into something like that. Any suggestions I think one of

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01:09:06,840 --> 01:09:08,920
Speaker 1: the things as well, Like again I have to say

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01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:13,400
Speaker 1: I hate to say this weediant house. I take a

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01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:16,040
Speaker 1: lot of labor into doing that and talking from the

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01:09:16,200 --> 01:09:20,400
Speaker 1: perspective of unhoused people, learning some of the terminologies that

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01:09:20,520 --> 01:09:25,760
Speaker 1: we use, looking at some of the like I said,

1146
01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:28,679
Speaker 1: like listening to the episodes, but also looking at the videos,

1147
01:09:28,720 --> 01:09:31,040
Speaker 1: because there's a lot of other things that sometimes the

1148
01:09:31,080 --> 01:09:34,640
Speaker 1: auditory experience misses because but you visually see some of

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01:09:34,720 --> 01:09:37,240
Speaker 1: the things that I do or what I do, and

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01:09:37,439 --> 01:09:39,479
Speaker 1: how would you engage with people like in their home

1151
01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:42,360
Speaker 1: the smallest thing you don't see if I was to

1152
01:09:42,439 --> 01:09:43,920
Speaker 1: come up to your house, I don't just open the

1153
01:09:43,960 --> 01:09:45,880
Speaker 1: door and just walk in. I don't knock, I don't ask,

1154
01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:47,320
Speaker 1: you know, I just walk in and sit down. You

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01:09:47,400 --> 01:09:50,559
Speaker 1: don't do that. And on house people's places where they live,

1156
01:09:51,080 --> 01:09:53,640
Speaker 1: it's their home. You know, it may be outdoors, but

1157
01:09:53,680 --> 01:09:55,880
Speaker 1: it's still their home, and you have to remember that

1158
01:09:56,080 --> 01:09:58,679
Speaker 1: and in court assume the same courtesy and the same

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01:09:58,840 --> 01:10:01,960
Speaker 1: respect that they would too, uh allow you in or

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01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:04,320
Speaker 1: not allow you. They're usually going to allow you in,

1161
01:10:04,520 --> 01:10:09,280
Speaker 1: but showing that shows a different dynamic anyway, because how

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01:10:09,360 --> 01:10:11,479
Speaker 1: many people that you know that will do that to

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01:10:11,640 --> 01:10:15,439
Speaker 1: un house people. Probably not very many police come in.

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01:10:15,560 --> 01:10:17,439
Speaker 1: They come in and hitting with the baitar on their

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01:10:17,479 --> 01:10:21,040
Speaker 1: tent or yelling, streaming through with a baitar, the bulldozer,

1166
01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:34,800
Speaker 1: bullhorn and and there you have it. So yeah, someone

1167
01:10:34,840 --> 01:10:38,240
Speaker 1: asked if they could include your link tree, website and

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01:10:38,360 --> 01:10:42,840
Speaker 1: Patreon as well. Oh yeah, please do absolutely. Like I said,

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01:10:42,840 --> 01:10:44,760
Speaker 1: I'm always looking for him because I've been trying to

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01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:48,760
Speaker 1: go to reach the goal of a thousand patrons, but

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01:10:48,840 --> 01:10:51,679
Speaker 1: I cannot seem they ever get it because they start

1172
01:10:51,760 --> 01:10:55,720
Speaker 1: off strong and then they they feel all out, you know.

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Speaker 1: So I want to ask how they can facilitate the

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Speaker 1: u c l A slash Westwood power Up. Well, you're

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01:11:15,400 --> 01:11:17,640
Speaker 1: more than welcome to reaching reach out out to be

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01:11:17,800 --> 01:11:21,360
Speaker 1: let me uh get say, I don't know how I

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01:11:21,400 --> 01:11:24,160
Speaker 1: can get if you have an email, I'll send you

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01:11:24,280 --> 01:11:26,880
Speaker 1: my email so you can. Please we can have a

1179
01:11:26,960 --> 01:11:31,439
Speaker 1: conversation on what we can do and doing that, and

1180
01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:34,479
Speaker 1: I look forward to I'm excited that you guys are

1181
01:11:34,520 --> 01:11:37,400
Speaker 1: interested in that that gives me hope because more so

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01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:42,040
Speaker 1: because of the young because I believe this is my belief,

1183
01:11:42,280 --> 01:11:44,720
Speaker 1: is that the older generation is going to only go

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01:11:44,840 --> 01:11:47,439
Speaker 1: so far. But I do believe, as the educator in

1185
01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:50,559
Speaker 1: me believes, the younger generation can have. I have more

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01:11:50,600 --> 01:11:53,640
Speaker 1: power and control of this bantling this more so than

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01:11:53,720 --> 01:11:56,840
Speaker 1: the younger general the older generation. So if I can

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01:11:57,040 --> 01:11:59,080
Speaker 1: get any more of a younger generation to do this

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01:11:59,360 --> 01:12:02,360
Speaker 1: before I become, you know, leave this planet, I'll be

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01:12:02,520 --> 01:12:13,320
Speaker 1: very happy, very cool. Well, I just want to thank

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01:12:13,360 --> 01:12:16,760
Speaker 1: everybody for joining us. Again. I got an email THEO

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01:12:16,960 --> 01:12:21,280
Speaker 1: just before we logged on some people from Portland. Actually

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01:12:22,280 --> 01:12:24,280
Speaker 1: I guess joined us. They were asking for the link.

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01:12:24,400 --> 01:12:29,719
Speaker 1: So really happy that people outside of the classroom also

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01:12:29,880 --> 01:12:33,720
Speaker 1: joined us for this conversation. It was great talking with

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01:12:33,880 --> 01:12:36,200
Speaker 1: you THEO. Like I said, we don't we don't get

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01:12:36,280 --> 01:12:42,360
Speaker 1: to talk that much outside of interviews. Yeah, if anyone

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01:12:42,439 --> 01:12:45,080
Speaker 1: has any just last minute questions, we could take those,

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Speaker 1: but if not, I think we might call it pretty soon. Okay,

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01:13:00,520 --> 01:13:04,360
Speaker 1: thank you sir, Thank you, Aaron, Yeah, thank you all.

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01:13:04,520 --> 01:13:12,200
Speaker 1: Thank you. Is it Belle? Yeah, make sure to subscribe

1202
01:13:12,280 --> 01:13:15,280
Speaker 1: to Yes I'm Looking. And that's another one more thing.

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01:13:15,320 --> 01:13:17,840
Speaker 1: Before I make run out here. I've been looking to

1204
01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:19,920
Speaker 1: go I get to the point, and I really am

1205
01:13:19,920 --> 01:13:24,040
Speaker 1: proud of that. I finally got to a thousand YouTube subscribers.

1206
01:13:24,320 --> 01:13:26,559
Speaker 1: Please go and subscribe on that YouTube thing, because I've

1207
01:13:26,560 --> 01:13:29,160
Speaker 1: been trying to do the ten thousand one, and you know,

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01:13:29,280 --> 01:13:31,920
Speaker 1: I can be be balling and getting to the to

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01:13:32,120 --> 01:13:34,760
Speaker 1: the big the big time the one thousand. It's not

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01:13:35,040 --> 01:13:37,120
Speaker 1: just that I'm very I was very happy about that.

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01:13:42,680 --> 01:13:45,000
Speaker 1: I think they say that the first thousand is the

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01:13:45,080 --> 01:13:53,160
Speaker 1: hardest and then yeah, it's gradually easier. I hope. So,

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01:13:53,320 --> 01:13:55,719
Speaker 1: but I I have to say the listeners that I usually,

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01:13:55,800 --> 01:13:58,640
Speaker 1: the people that subscribe, usually that I've watched, Oh, these

1215
01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:02,439
Speaker 1: are pretty decent people. Banks you know, they really are

1216
01:14:03,320 --> 01:14:06,840
Speaker 1: genuinely interested. It's not like I said, it's not algorithm friendly.

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01:14:07,560 --> 01:14:10,280
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to coddle nimbies because I don't really

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01:14:10,320 --> 01:14:13,120
Speaker 1: care what they because you know, that's a wasted amount

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01:14:13,120 --> 01:14:15,160
Speaker 1: of my time. I want to be able to talk

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01:14:15,200 --> 01:14:18,040
Speaker 1: to people that really are genuinely interested in learning. So

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01:14:18,320 --> 01:14:20,120
Speaker 1: think that's the teacher and me, Oh yeah, I'm gonna

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01:14:20,479 --> 01:14:24,280
Speaker 1: definitely push for that. But you know, that's that's the

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Speaker 1: thing because I know that that's Uh. There's a lot

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01:14:27,200 --> 01:14:31,080
Speaker 1: of Nimbia inspired podcasts and videos out there and they're

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01:14:31,080 --> 01:14:34,040
Speaker 1: getting hundreds of thousands of people. And I cannot believe

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01:14:34,320 --> 01:14:36,840
Speaker 1: that that many people are that hateful and we can.

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01:14:36,960 --> 01:14:39,000
Speaker 1: We have so many people that really care that this,

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01:14:39,160 --> 01:14:42,840
Speaker 1: doesn't want to push for this. So yeah, so please

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01:14:43,479 --> 01:14:48,800
Speaker 1: I can subscribe. Yeah, and if anyone wants to follow

1230
01:14:48,920 --> 01:14:54,200
Speaker 1: my work, I'm on Twitter at shot on thirty five

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01:14:54,560 --> 01:14:59,600
Speaker 1: mm thirty five millimeters. Also, before we get logout, we

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01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:02,519
Speaker 1: have business discuss lex what's up with the taco? Think

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01:15:02,560 --> 01:15:04,040
Speaker 1: you're supposed to hook a Brother up? Yeah? I got

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01:15:04,080 --> 01:15:06,280
Speaker 1: the card. You know, I'm looking for my taco spot,

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01:15:06,400 --> 01:15:09,640
Speaker 1: so you know, no, yeah, yeah, yeah, I gotta I

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01:15:09,680 --> 01:15:14,200
Speaker 1: gotta send you that list. Got the card, but I

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01:15:14,240 --> 01:15:18,439
Speaker 1: can't quit it. Yeah, I'll let you know that that's

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01:15:18,479 --> 01:15:21,240
Speaker 1: where you can use it. Man. Yeah. And also if

1239
01:15:21,280 --> 01:15:23,360
Speaker 1: anyone wants to support my work, you can become an

1240
01:15:23,520 --> 01:15:27,720
Speaker 1: LA Taco member. We have a membership program where you

1241
01:15:27,800 --> 01:15:34,120
Speaker 1: get a bunch of perks, including free tacos newsletter. So

1242
01:15:34,280 --> 01:15:42,280
Speaker 1: please subscribe to l A Taco. Yes, free tacos yeah, yeah,

1243
01:15:42,360 --> 01:15:46,280
Speaker 1: hook up for brother yeah awesome, awesome thank you both

1244
01:15:46,360 --> 01:15:48,800
Speaker 1: so much. Lexis you forgot to mention you also have

1245
01:15:48,920 --> 01:15:54,639
Speaker 1: such beautiful prints available as well. He was present reporting

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01:15:54,760 --> 01:15:57,680
Speaker 1: on the uprising that was happening at the beginning of

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01:15:57,800 --> 01:16:00,760
Speaker 1: the pandemic, and he took some beautiful photos. I know

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Speaker 1: I was really admiring them. I know that he has

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01:16:03,360 --> 01:16:09,000
Speaker 1: them available much available as part of we the in house,

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01:16:09,080 --> 01:16:11,280
Speaker 1: so don't forget to support that as well. And I

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01:16:11,400 --> 01:16:13,920
Speaker 1: just can't thank you both enough for joining us and

1252
01:16:14,080 --> 01:16:17,080
Speaker 1: sharing your insight. I think these are when Natalie and

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01:16:17,120 --> 01:16:19,559
Speaker 1: I were designing this class I can't trust enough. How

1254
01:16:20,320 --> 01:16:22,840
Speaker 1: you know, we wanted to invite the voices that oftentimes

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01:16:23,439 --> 01:16:26,000
Speaker 1: aren't heard, and we wanted to go ahead and uplift

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01:16:26,200 --> 01:16:28,800
Speaker 1: uplift those voices, right and those stories, those narratives. So

1257
01:16:29,120 --> 01:16:32,479
Speaker 1: thank you all for sharing your experiences with us. Thank

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01:16:32,520 --> 01:16:35,000
Speaker 1: you for having me, And like I say, I'm very

1259
01:16:35,120 --> 01:16:38,240
Speaker 1: encouraged that people are willing to listen to us for

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01:16:38,760 --> 01:16:41,800
Speaker 1: such a very long time of not being heard or

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01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:45,160
Speaker 1: saying and dismissed, so it's very refreshing to have people

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01:16:45,240 --> 01:16:50,160
Speaker 1: actually wanting to hear it. Yeah, thanks again for setting

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01:16:50,200 --> 01:16:56,280
Speaker 1: this up Savannah and Natalie. We really appreciate you having us. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: of course, thank you, thank you, thank you so much.