1 00:00:04,480 --> 00:00:07,640 Speaker 1: Welcome into the Lounge presented by DraftKings. I'm Ryan Ink 2 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:09,720 Speaker 1: here with Garrett Downing, and we are going to get 3 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:13,399 Speaker 1: you ready for the Thanksgiving feast at em and T 4 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 1: Banks Stadium between the Baltimore Ravens and Cincinnati Bengals. Huge 5 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 1: game between two division rivals, and Garrett, I just cannot 6 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:24,120 Speaker 1: wait for this one. 7 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 2: This game has all the gravy served in a beautiful 8 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 2: gravy boat. 9 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 1: That's right. 10 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 2: I don't know if you're planning that, but that was 11 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 2: well done and you're part there. We are giving away 12 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 2: gravy boats. That's the giveaway. 13 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 1: I got mine ahead of time. 14 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:39,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, for fans who're comming of the game Thursday 15 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:41,520 Speaker 2: night at Mt BAK Stadium, you can get your gravy boat. 16 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 2: And this is an awesome game. This is a headliner. 17 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:45,840 Speaker 2: When the schedule comes out and you see the prime 18 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 2: time games, you see that the Ravens are playing on 19 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:51,600 Speaker 2: Thanksgiving at home against the Bengals in this big division rival. 20 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 2: I think it's going to be an awesome atmosphere. And 21 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:57,640 Speaker 2: John Harbaugh has been this will be the third time 22 00:00:57,680 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 2: the Ravens have played on Thanksgiving in the Harball era. 23 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 2: Sign was against his brother. Second time was against the Steelers, 24 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:07,199 Speaker 2: the iconic Mike Tomlins Jacobe Jones game. We all remember 25 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 2: that one, and this will be the third time. And 26 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 2: Harwell has said he said it again this week, and 27 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 2: he's made this point a few times. He's like, I 28 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 2: would love for the Ravens to be the Thursday night 29 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 2: Thanksgiving game. You know, I like that idea and loves 30 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 2: playing on Thanksgiving. Considers hid an honor and it is 31 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 2: an indication that the NFL knows people want to watch 32 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:27,320 Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson and the Ravens play, and this is going 33 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:28,199 Speaker 2: to be an awesome night. 34 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 1: To do it well. The schedule makers gave the Ravens 35 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 1: Christmas off this year and decided the move with the 36 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 1: Thanksgiving and. 37 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 2: It's at home this year, so it's a home game 38 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 2: and thanks every time. Two for two. 39 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 1: I'll take that every time. You know this, this is 40 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:43,399 Speaker 1: a game between the Bengals team with their backs against 41 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 1: the wall, three and eight. You know, they probably to 42 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 1: get even back in the hunt, they got to ride 43 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 1: off a string of wins similar to what the Ravens 44 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 1: have done to call back from one to five. The 45 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 1: Ravens riding a five game winning streak but you know 46 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 1: all that aside, like you can talk, Bengals have not 47 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 1: had a good season. Joe Burr has been hurt for 48 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 1: almost all of it. That's a major reason why their 49 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 1: defensive struggle. But like, throw all that stuff out. Throw 50 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 1: This is a throw the records game out, and it 51 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:13,239 Speaker 1: often is whenever you're playing a division rival. But man, 52 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 1: these two teams get after it. 53 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 2: I agree with you. I also think that you can 54 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 2: kind of throw the records out when you play on 55 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 2: Thursday nights, like the short week. I just feel like 56 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 2: a lot of times those can sometimes be weird games. 57 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 2: And like you mentioned, Joe Burrow and that's one of 58 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:32,799 Speaker 2: the biggest storylines this week is is him returning and 59 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 2: he's dealt with that toe injury. Coming back for Thanksgiving 60 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 2: Night is earlier than a lot of people expected. It 61 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:41,080 Speaker 2: is clear that he wanted to come back for this 62 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:42,080 Speaker 2: game against the Ravens. 63 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 1: Ye had it circled and there was no doubt about it. 64 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 1: He had it circle. When that the schedule came out. 65 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 1: He was bellyaching about how the Ravens, you know, they 66 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 1: always have to play on some primetime games in our stadium. Yeah, 67 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:55,080 Speaker 1: this was circled. Yeah, I mean the Ravens ended his 68 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 1: season a couple of years ago with the wrist that 69 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 1: was in Baltimore, and so like this has turned into 70 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 1: a big rivalry. I think it's not only it's been 71 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 1: a Ravens Bengals rivalry for a long time, but I 72 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 1: think it's a Joe Burrow Ravens rivalry as well. 73 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:11,640 Speaker 2: It definitely seems that way, Like he seems to want 74 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:14,519 Speaker 2: to have big games against the Ravens, which he has 75 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 2: at times, he wants to play the Ravens. There seems 76 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:20,239 Speaker 2: to be some whatteter animosity, whatever word you want to use. 77 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 2: And like even on his first day back at practice 78 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:25,359 Speaker 2: when he came back earlier than expected from the toe 79 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:27,800 Speaker 2: injury and the reports were out there that he's going 80 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 2: to be returning around Thanksgiving, and he was asked about 81 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:33,960 Speaker 2: the significance of playing against the Ravens, and he made 82 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 2: the point that it would be very meaningful to come 83 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 2: back and play this game against the Ravens. So I'm 84 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 2: with you, Like, I think this is a game that 85 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 2: he had circled, that he was doing everything possible that 86 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 2: he could to come back and play, and like the Bengals, 87 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 2: their odds of making the playoffs are long at this point, 88 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 2: but they're not completely out of it yet. There's still 89 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 2: there's still time left. They'd have to run the table. 90 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 2: And this is this is like a back against the wall. 91 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 2: You're getting your quarterback back in the lineup. Who who? 92 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 2: And even if you like, even if you remove the 93 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:07,120 Speaker 2: playoff conversation to your point, he just wants to beat 94 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 2: the Ravens. 95 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. That's why I think a lot of people, 96 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 1: or some people at least, are saying, why are they 97 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 1: why are they rushing Joe Burrow back when they're three 98 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 1: and eight and out of it? Pretty much because he 99 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 1: wants to play and he wants to beat the Ravens. Yeah, Like, 100 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:23,279 Speaker 1: you know, I respect Joe Burrow. Like, dude's a competitor, 101 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 1: very good player, competitor. Respect him. Hope we beat you know, 102 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 1: just beat them bad on Thanksgiving night, but like respect 103 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:35,480 Speaker 1: and like that's the kind of competitor that you want 104 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 1: to see as a fan. And somebody watching the game, 105 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 1: like does it records? He doesn't care what the record is. 106 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 1: He wants to come back in here and play against 107 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 1: his rival. 108 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, And and the Ravens are gonna have to contend 109 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 2: with that. I think it's it's certainly a question, and I. 110 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:50,839 Speaker 1: Kind of Joe Joe Flacco coming back to them asy 111 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 1: back Stadium would have been cool too. 112 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 2: We always saw that this year happened. We saw that 113 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 2: we already did that. He already did that podcast two 114 00:04:57,720 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 2: months ago. 115 00:04:58,279 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 1: That's true, it is. 116 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 2: It is kind of crazy when you think about like 117 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 2: the possibility of seeing Flacco three times in one season. Yeah, 118 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:05,840 Speaker 2: it doesn't seem like that's going to be the case now, 119 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 2: but but he'll be on the other sideline at least, 120 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:09,479 Speaker 2: so you'll see him in that sense. 121 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 1: But well, Dennis Pitt come back with his flack. 122 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 2: That's a good question. But let's called Pitt. Let's get 123 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:18,919 Speaker 2: pitted back on the podcast. I think that it is 124 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 2: interesting with Burrow as we talk about him what that 125 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:26,159 Speaker 2: will look like because he hasn't played and is that 126 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:28,839 Speaker 2: is he rusty? I would expect there to mab be 127 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 2: a little bit of rust. Is he fully healthy? Is 128 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:33,479 Speaker 2: he hobbled at all? Is he moving around in the pocket? 129 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 1: He basically he's gonna wear steel toe boots out there. 130 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 2: Well that there's purports that he can have some sort 131 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 2: of contraption in the shoe to protect his toe. Like 132 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:44,279 Speaker 2: brock Perty just came back from having a tow injury, 133 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:46,040 Speaker 2: and you know, it was a little bit shaky for him. 134 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:47,599 Speaker 2: I don't know if it's the exact same or whatever, 135 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:49,839 Speaker 2: but like a toe injury is not good for anybody. 136 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:51,839 Speaker 2: It's just it's and this was a major injury that 137 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 2: a lot of people thought. Like when this news came 138 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 2: out that that that he had this toe injury, I 139 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:58,040 Speaker 2: think a lot of people said, like, his season's done. Yep, 140 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 2: that was the that was the thought. And so he's 141 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 2: back way sooner than expected. The next piece of that 142 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 2: question is what he looks like now that he's back 143 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:09,039 Speaker 2: on the field, and is he limited in any capacity. 144 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 1: I mean, Joe Burrow has never been a running quarterback. Now, 145 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:16,720 Speaker 1: he can maneuver in the pocket, and his ability to 146 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:20,279 Speaker 1: extend plays is certainly part of his game. He can 147 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:23,040 Speaker 1: he can get out and kind of pick up first 148 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:26,720 Speaker 1: downs with his legs, But I don't expect that the 149 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:30,599 Speaker 1: toe probably limits him all that much. There could be 150 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:32,840 Speaker 1: a Russ factor. He hasn't played in quite some time. 151 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:37,360 Speaker 1: He's practiced now for two weeks. He practiced all last 152 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 1: week leading into the Bengals game, and didn't end up starting, obviously, 153 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 1: but but he's had three weeks I believe now under 154 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 1: his belt of practice, including two as the starter. Yeah, 155 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:53,160 Speaker 1: this is a half a week, but he's still had that, 156 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 1: so he's had practice time to shake off the rust. 157 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:58,160 Speaker 2: But that's not the second game. That's not a game 158 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 2: against Baltimore. Hamilton Barren dead exactly. 159 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 1: But I think that they wouldn't put him out there 160 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 1: if he wasn't healthy. Also, you know, as much as 161 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 1: Joe wants to play and probably is very much leaning 162 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 1: on people that he's going to get out there, I 163 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 1: don't think the Bengals will put him out there if 164 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 1: you are a risk of major re injury or something. 165 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 1: I mean, we have two quarterbacks coming back from tow injuries, 166 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson on the injury report with the toe, which 167 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 1: one is more limited physically coming into this game. 168 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 2: I think, really, I don't know, you know, that's up 169 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 2: for debate. I think that we'll have a sense of that, 170 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 2: Like I don't think. I don't think we honestly know 171 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 2: right now. I think we'll see that as the game 172 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 2: plays out. 173 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 1: But I will say Lamar Jackson, because of the way 174 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 1: that he plays the game lower body injuries impact his 175 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 1: style of play more than it does Joe Burrow. 176 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, stylistically you, I mean, Lamar is so explosive with 177 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 2: his legs, is so dynamic, So if you limit that factor, 178 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 2: it changes a lot of things with the Ravens offense 179 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 2: and his ability. But I he's certainly less rusty than 180 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 2: Joe Burrow. Yeah, he certainly less rusty. And and and 181 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 2: Burrow's injury was more severe and that it required surgery 182 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 2: and had him on the shelf for two months. And yeah, 183 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 2: I think I I agree with you. He's a franchise quarterback, 184 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 2: so they're not putting him out there if they don't 185 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 2: feel like he's ready. But the ability to move around 186 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 2: in the pocket, Like, he's not a guy that's gonna 187 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:24,559 Speaker 2: run the ball ten times a game. That's not his game. 188 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 2: But moving around and having the mobility in the pocket, 189 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 2: he's he's excellent at that. And if that is, if 190 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 2: that is limited at all, I think that could be 191 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 2: kind of a game. 192 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 1: I don't think you need some more of a sitting duck. 193 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, And like I don't think you know that until 194 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 2: Like again, I agree with the practice thing. You've been 195 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 2: able to practice and test it out, but like it 196 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 2: is different when Travis Jones is coming downhill at you, 197 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:48,840 Speaker 2: Like it's just it's just different. 198 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 1: Those past rushers ain't comeing to hit him in practice exactly. 199 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 2: Everyone's keeping their distance and as they should, that's obvious, 200 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:57,560 Speaker 2: But it just changes when you have a defense, like 201 00:08:57,600 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 2: an attacking style defense. It's coming down handle hill at 202 00:08:59,920 --> 00:09:02,200 Speaker 2: you and bringing the blitz and putting pressure in your face. 203 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 2: And how do you respond? 204 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 1: Again, does he trust basically, does he trust the foot 205 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 1: in the toe to be able to maneuver in that way? 206 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 1: Or is he a little apprehensious and he takes more sacks? 207 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 2: Honestly both it's it's the mental side, the trust, but 208 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:16,199 Speaker 2: also the physical size. 209 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 1: Correct is it good? 210 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 2: And that you trust it? 211 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 1: Right? 212 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:21,839 Speaker 2: Both things are intertwined there and again I think we'll 213 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:24,440 Speaker 2: see that pretty early in the game. 214 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 1: Beyond that, the Bengals injury report has wide receiver t 215 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 1: Higgins and pass rusher Trey Hendrickson both ruled out for 216 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:36,560 Speaker 1: this game. T Higgins suffered a concussion in their most 217 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 1: recent game and Trey Hendrickson's been been on the shelf. Now, uh, 218 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:43,959 Speaker 1: those are two key players for them not being out there. 219 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:47,080 Speaker 1: T Higgins. Really the Jamar Chase t Higgins combo is 220 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 1: what makes that offense really get cooking, and for one 221 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 1: of them not to be there, that's that's a big 222 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:55,439 Speaker 1: loss for the Bengals. And then Trey Hendrickson, I mean, 223 00:09:55,920 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 1: raiding defensive player of the Year and leading sacks guy 224 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 1: in the NFL, so big time player, not on their 225 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 1: not on their game the roster. 226 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 2: Their defensive struggle this year, but Trey Hendrickson is the 227 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 2: best player on it and with him not on the field, 228 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 2: that takes away their their best defensive player. And so 229 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 2: that's that is that's a massive loss. And like t 230 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 2: Higgins too, I like Jamar Chase has had some monster 231 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 2: games against the Ravens, So we'll get into that. Like 232 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 2: it's not like their passing game goes silent without t 233 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 2: Higgins on the field, but but the combination there is 234 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 2: what makes them so dangerous. Like that that was the 235 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:34,559 Speaker 2: reason that when the Bengals went into the offseason and 236 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 2: Joe Burrow was banging the drone that we need to 237 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:39,319 Speaker 2: keep both of these guys because he knows the value 238 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 2: of having both of the players and the way they 239 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 2: challenge defenses. And so if so Higgins not being able 240 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 2: to play, that's an advantage for the Ravens. 241 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:50,319 Speaker 1: Ravens injury report. As you mentioned, Lamar Jackson returned to practice. 242 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:54,200 Speaker 1: Also a big one on today. Kyle Holllton back on 243 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 1: the field after he kind of tweaked his ankle late 244 00:10:56,880 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 1: in that Jets win. That was a good time. And 245 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:03,200 Speaker 1: then Travis Jones also returned after being out on Monday. 246 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 1: He was back on the field Tuesday. That's another huge 247 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:09,439 Speaker 1: player in the Ravens defensive trenches. So in a short week, 248 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:13,080 Speaker 1: getting Hamilton, Jones and of course Lamar back on the field, 249 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 1: you know, you're a little bit nervous with that quick turnaround. 250 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:18,079 Speaker 1: To see them back practicing on Tuesday was a really 251 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 1: good sign. 252 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:21,320 Speaker 2: I mean, Kyle Hamilton, we just talked about Trey Henderson. 253 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 2: He's the best defensive player on Bengals defense. Kyle Hamilton 254 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:25,319 Speaker 2: is that for the Ravens season. 255 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 1: And honestly, because he plays so many different roles and 256 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:31,200 Speaker 1: wear so many hats, it might have even bigger impact. 257 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:35,320 Speaker 2: There's a case to be made for Kyle Hamilton being 258 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 2: the defensive Player of the Year. He's probably not gonna 259 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 2: win it given the season that Miles Garrett's having. But 260 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:42,440 Speaker 2: Kyle Hamilton's one of the best defensive players in football, 261 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 2: and everything that he does just elevates this defense. And 262 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:47,960 Speaker 2: the Ravens have really structured their defense in a way 263 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 2: to say, have Kyle play every position and make life 264 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:54,560 Speaker 2: really hard on the opposing team. And he's so great 265 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 2: at that. And so when he goes down late in 266 00:11:56,679 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 2: that game on Sunday, you're thinking, oh, no, like, just 267 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:01,839 Speaker 2: just be okay. And for him to be out on 268 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 2: the practice field again is a huge boose and I 269 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 2: think it that's exactly what you hope for, and so 270 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 2: I think everyone's kind was kind of crossing their fingers 271 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 2: when you saw him go into the locker room late 272 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 2: on Sunday, and it's it's encouraging to have him back 273 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 2: on the field and hopefully he's full strength and no 274 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:20,959 Speaker 2: limitations Thursday night. 275 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 1: The Ravens are gonna need their full defensive squad out 276 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:27,439 Speaker 1: there because these have been some shootouts with the Bengals 277 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 1: in recent years. Last year in particular, thirty five to 278 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 1: thirty four Ravens win and a forty one to thirty 279 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:38,080 Speaker 1: eight overtime win for the Ravens. I mean, say Flowers 280 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:41,080 Speaker 1: joked about it in the locker room on Monday, saying, Man, 281 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:43,200 Speaker 1: every time you finish one drive and you're right back 282 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 1: out there, You're like, whoa. You never you never get cold. 283 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 1: You're always warmed up in these games against the Bengals 284 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 1: because they have been high scoring affairs. The question, Garrett, 285 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:56,680 Speaker 1: is is that what we should expect this time around. 286 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 2: I don't think that's the recipe for the Ravens this 287 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 2: time around. Like, first of all, let's start with the 288 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 2: Ravens defense. I think that this Ravens defense has found 289 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 2: itself and is playing good football right now. 290 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 1: And both of those shootouts last year were before the 291 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 1: Ravens kind of turned things around on the back end, 292 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 1: in part because of Kyle Hamilton. Yeah, and then moving 293 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:17,959 Speaker 1: him to the deep secondary. That was the impetus exactly. 294 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:18,559 Speaker 1: Those games. 295 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 2: Those games forced the Ravens on a course that change 296 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 2: what they were doing on defense personnel wise, scheme wise. 297 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 2: Like those games, I'm tired of seeing Jamar Chase behind them. Yeah, 298 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:29,560 Speaker 2: Like the coaches and the players like, we can't. This 299 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 2: is not the recipe here. Yeah, And so they made 300 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 2: some big changes coming out of those two games and 301 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 2: this year, like the Ravens defense over the past month 302 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 2: and a half has been playing great ball. And I 303 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:42,679 Speaker 2: think that I think that the defense for this team 304 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 2: right now, given some of the injuries they dealt with 305 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 2: on offense, most notably to the quarterback Lamar Jackson, the 306 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 2: defense is the strength of this team. 307 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 1: Right The Ravens defense has not given up, has given 308 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 1: up fewer than twenty points in six straight games. Yeah, 309 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:57,080 Speaker 1: so they give up fewer than twenty to the Bengals. 310 00:13:57,160 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 1: Want to keep it going. 311 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 2: That's that's a tough that's a hall order to keep 312 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 2: it under twenty against the Bengals. I definitely think under thirty. 313 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 2: I think that between twenty and thirty is probably the 314 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:10,199 Speaker 2: sweet spot. 315 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 1: Now, you know what, I did not hit on Mizay 316 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 1: Flowers prediction last week, but I'm going they keep it 317 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:18,560 Speaker 1: rolling under twenty. Okay, Bengals offense, Yeah. 318 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 2: That would be a If you keep them under twenty, 319 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 2: then then you're probably gonna win this game. But I 320 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 2: don't think the Ravens want to be in a situation 321 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 2: as their offense has been been a bit sluggish this season, 322 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 2: but especially since Lamar Jackson went down with the hamstring injury, 323 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 2: and it has been working his way back, like this 324 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 2: offense is not putting up the type of production we 325 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 2: saw a year ago, and so I don't think you 326 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 2: want to be in a forty one to thirty eight 327 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 2: kind of game. That's just not the way that the 328 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 2: Ravens are built right now. And I also don't and 329 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 2: I also think that like you want, you want the 330 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 2: defense to continue building on the way they've been playing, 331 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 2: and a track meet, a shootout is not the is 332 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 2: not the kind of framework that I think the Ravens 333 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 2: want to find themselves in. And I think that they're 334 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 2: also just better than what we saw last year when 335 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 2: they were giving up that many points on defense. 336 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 1: Big question in this game is can the Ravens offense 337 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 1: get on track against the Bengals defense that has really 338 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 1: struggled this year. I mean, this has been historically one 339 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 1: of the worst defenses in league history. So far this year, 340 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 1: the Bengals rank at or at or near the bottom 341 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 1: of the league in almost every statistical category. Major statistic 342 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 1: category the thirty second and total defense given up four 343 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 1: hundred and fifteen point eight yards per game. They are 344 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 1: last in the league in points allowed per game thirty 345 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 1: two point seven. So the question is is it a 346 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 1: get right game for the Ravens offense. 347 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 2: I think the potential is there for that. And it's interesting, 348 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 2: like what's the mode of attack? Is it all right? 349 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 2: Let's get the ground game going, and this is an 350 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 2: opportunity for Derek Henry to put up some big yards. 351 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 1: Well, their rush defenses ranked thirty first in their past 352 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 1: defense is thirty second, right, So like, which way do. 353 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 2: You want to try to attack them? 354 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 1: I don't know. 355 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 2: I don't know which way the Ravens will try to 356 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 2: go about it. I think, look the idea scenarios. You 357 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 2: get out to a lead and then in the second 358 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 2: half you can run Derrick Henry and the ground game 359 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 2: just salts it away in the fourth quarter. That's like 360 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 2: the perfect situation. That's easier said than done. But is 361 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 2: it a get right game? That's I think that this 362 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 2: is a game. I don't think that this is a 363 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 2: game where we're gonna be talking about either team flirting 364 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 2: with forty points. I don't think that that's gonna be 365 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 2: what we see on Thursday night, given that Lamar Jackson 366 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 2: missed practice again on Mondays that practice estimation. 367 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 1: But you're saying, but you said the Bengals are scored 368 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 1: over twenty, so you're saying, and they're not flirting with forty, 369 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 1: so you're calling low thirties for the Bengals. This essentially 370 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 1: what you're saying. 371 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 2: I'm saying that maybe this is twenty I guess. 372 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm saying under twenty. 373 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 2: Right, I'm saying if it could be twenty seven to 374 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 2: twenty one, okay, okay, in that range twenty eight, twenty yeah, okay, 375 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 2: somewhere in there. Okay, if we're getting into the specifics 376 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 2: on what this could look like. But I don't I 377 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 2: would be a little bit surprised if we end up 378 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 2: in a game that's like a forty either side, to 379 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 2: be honest, has forty plus, Like that would surprise me. 380 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:04,680 Speaker 1: I agree with that. I agree with that. I think 381 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 1: that the Ravens offense. I do think that this is 382 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:10,400 Speaker 1: a game where they want to get on the trajectory 383 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 1: that they need to get on. Everybody in that Ravens 384 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 1: locker room made it clear after the winner of the Jets, 385 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:19,439 Speaker 1: we got to get better on offense if we're going 386 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:20,880 Speaker 1: to achieve our goals, if we're going to go any 387 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 1: if we're gonna make the playoffs, if we're gonna go 388 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:24,880 Speaker 1: anywhere in the playoffs, if we're gonna reach the super Bowl, 389 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 1: like the Ravens certainly came into this year aspiring to do. 390 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:28,399 Speaker 2: This. 391 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:30,640 Speaker 1: Offense has to play better than it is right now. Yeah, 392 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 1: this is an opportunity. You're at home Thursday night, like 393 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:38,880 Speaker 1: the juices are gonna be flowing. You're getting Rashad Bateman. 394 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 1: It looks like back on the field he returned to practice, 395 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:44,960 Speaker 1: which is which is big for this offense. You know, 396 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 1: hopefully the problem is Lamar's health. Right it's a short week. 397 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:53,680 Speaker 1: Lamar has been banged up. Until Lamar really starts feeling 398 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 1: and playing like his self himself, it's hard to imagine 399 00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:01,200 Speaker 1: the Ravens offense getting on track, but it Nobody can 400 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:04,360 Speaker 1: say how much Lamar's injuries are limiting him. His teammates 401 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 1: can't say it. Lamar ain't saying it, coaches aren't saying it. 402 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 1: We really don't know. I think we can all all 403 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:14,680 Speaker 1: of us who have watched Lamar play for eight years. 404 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 1: We see it. Yeah, you see the difference. He's not 405 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 1: out there duking people and making people miss with his 406 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:22,159 Speaker 1: legs and run away from people and all that stuff, 407 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 1: but to what degree nobody knows. 408 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 2: Well, one thing, I'll just point out, I do think 409 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:29,959 Speaker 2: that this is worth mentioning. And the offense has not 410 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:33,639 Speaker 2: been We're used to seeing the offense be or in 411 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:36,879 Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson era and really the last two years with 412 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:39,880 Speaker 2: Todd Mounkin as the offensive coordinator, We're used to seeing 413 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:42,639 Speaker 2: this be a historically good offense. And so like that, 414 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:46,159 Speaker 2: that's the comparison point that we're all looking at. And 415 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:49,680 Speaker 2: while it hasn't been there, like I don't it's not been, 416 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:53,399 Speaker 2: Let's not go overboard in the criticism in this point. 417 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:54,960 Speaker 2: Like I know that a lot of players were frustrated 418 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:56,400 Speaker 2: after the game against the Jets and saying we should 419 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 2: be better. They put up twenty three last week. They 420 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 2: put up twenty three in Cleveland. They had twenty seven 421 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 2: against Miami. They had twenty eight. Sorry, they put twenty 422 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 2: seven against Minnesota and twenty eight against Miami, and. 423 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:08,119 Speaker 1: All of those came with red zone and struggles. If 424 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:10,240 Speaker 1: you get a little bit better in the red zone, exactly, 425 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:11,440 Speaker 1: you're in the thirties exactly. 426 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:14,119 Speaker 2: That's my point, Like, you don't the Ravens are moving 427 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 2: the ball there, and especially with the way the defense 428 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 2: and special teams at times has been setting them up 429 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:22,639 Speaker 2: in some good positions flipping the field or takeaways if 430 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:26,439 Speaker 2: you can convert and have some touchdowns in the red 431 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 2: zone that you've been previously settling for field goals. Now 432 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:31,120 Speaker 2: it's a thirty five point day, and so I don't 433 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:33,680 Speaker 2: think that, like the Ravens are far off offensively from 434 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 2: having that type of game. And I also don't think 435 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 2: that we should go overboard in like, man, this offense 436 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:42,240 Speaker 2: can't it can't get it figured out. Like they're putting 437 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:44,359 Speaker 2: up over twenty points a game. They're not putting up 438 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 2: over thirty points a game. But I think that they're 439 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 2: not far off from doing that and this could be 440 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:50,479 Speaker 2: the opportunity to do it. 441 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:55,159 Speaker 1: My point along in this is that when one of 442 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:58,359 Speaker 1: your issues, and I'm using air quotes here is you know, 443 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:02,199 Speaker 1: the passing offense and Lamar Jackson, when that's one of 444 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 1: your offensive issues is Lamar Jackson not looking like himself, 445 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 1: I'm okay with my one of my offensive problems being 446 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 1: a two time MVP, right Like, I have faith in 447 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:14,880 Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson, yeah, to turn this around. You know, he's 448 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:16,919 Speaker 1: had three straight games thrown under two hundred yards all 449 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 1: that stuff. 450 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:18,720 Speaker 2: But he's not gonna held out for long. 451 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:21,439 Speaker 1: But he's Lamar Jackson. Yeah, and so like I just 452 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 1: feel like Lamar Jackson, once he gets healthy, it could 453 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 1: be a flip switch and this offense could get real hot. 454 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 1: Like there's a ton of there's thirty one teams in 455 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 1: the NFL that would love to have Lamar Jackson that 456 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 1: be like that'd be their problem, you know what I mean? 457 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:38,120 Speaker 2: Yeah? 458 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:42,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, And now I'm not like the Ravens issues. You know, 459 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:44,880 Speaker 1: I think they of course want to block better, they 460 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 1: want there there's a number of different things that they 461 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:50,679 Speaker 1: need to solve, right, But like Lamar Jackson is the fixer. 462 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:53,919 Speaker 1: He's the guy, and I think he can help this 463 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 1: Ravens offense get to where it needs to be get. 464 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I also do think that that this could 465 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:01,800 Speaker 2: be You mentioned the Ravens the Bengals being thirty first 466 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 2: against the run too, Like you it's you want all 467 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:07,160 Speaker 2: these things working together. Derek Henry eight hundred and seventy 468 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:09,639 Speaker 2: one rushing yards on the season nine touchdowns, had a 469 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:13,200 Speaker 2: pair of touchdowns last week against the Jets. Could could 470 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 2: this be a game where he tops I mean, he's 471 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 2: Forting with a thousand again, could he get over a thousand? 472 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 2: He need up one hundred and twenty nine yards to 473 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:19,400 Speaker 2: get it done this game. 474 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:22,680 Speaker 1: That if he hits a thousand rushing yards in this game, 475 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:25,159 Speaker 1: I think the Ravens probably win. Yeah. I think that 476 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:27,480 Speaker 1: if he has that big of a day, it'd be 477 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:30,119 Speaker 1: hard to see them losing. I agree with that, yep. 478 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 1: But I think a lot of it's gonna come down to, 479 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:34,679 Speaker 1: like we were just talking about red zone cashing in, 480 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 1: you know, especially if the if the Bengals are able 481 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 1: to put up some points, if you are going to 482 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:41,879 Speaker 1: match them, you're gonna You're not gonna do it with 483 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 1: field goal after field goal. 484 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't want to see like any more twenty 485 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:48,360 Speaker 2: four yard field goals from Tyler Loop like Tyler Lup. 486 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 2: Friend of the Lounge had him on last week because 487 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 2: Randy Brown enjoyed the conversation with him, like you don't 488 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 2: want to see twenty five yard field goals that you 489 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:56,440 Speaker 2: want to be punched that in the end zone. And 490 00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 2: someone who feels that way even songer than we do, 491 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:01,679 Speaker 2: is Lamar Jacks. Like that has been his mo He 492 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 2: comes off the field and the field goal team is 493 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 2: trotten out there for a short field goal. Lamark ticked 494 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:08,160 Speaker 2: because he feels like when you get into that part 495 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 2: of the field, you got to score touchdowns and that's 496 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:12,399 Speaker 2: the focus for the Ravens. So let's take a quick break. 497 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:14,239 Speaker 2: When we come back, we'll give you some predictions on 498 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:18,439 Speaker 2: what will happen Thursday night against the Bengals. You're listening 499 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 2: to the Lage podcast. 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Call one eight hundred Gambler or go 509 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 2: to help My Gambling Problem dot org for more information. 510 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 2: So as we talk about predictions for this game, I 511 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:57,640 Speaker 2: mentioned Derrick Henry flirting with one thousand yards. He's right there. 512 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 2: I think it could happen. Okay, few things, there's a 513 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:02,680 Speaker 2: few miles soons that I think are going to happen 514 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 2: in the game. 515 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 1: To one's a slam dunk Deandrew Hopkins. Hopkins getting a thousands, thousands, 516 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,720 Speaker 1: he needs one, he needs one. That's one. That's that's 517 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:13,120 Speaker 1: I think the lowest uh hanging fruit. 518 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, the lowest hanging fruit. 519 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 1: Uh. 520 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 2: Then Mark Andrews, I think he's going to get the 521 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 2: triple crowned. He's three catches in order to hit that mark. 522 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 2: So then he's got receptions yards touchdowns on the first draft. 523 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:27,359 Speaker 2: It's boom, boom boom, cross them off here done, all right, 524 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 2: knock that off. Uh. Henry I think is going to 525 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:33,640 Speaker 2: get a thousand yards. Ok so he has a big day. 526 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:36,440 Speaker 2: And then the other one that I was flirting with here, 527 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:36,960 Speaker 2: but this is. 528 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,119 Speaker 1: And you're a man of prediction. You're you're kind of 529 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:41,400 Speaker 1: you're trying to get in on my gravy boat here 530 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 1: the boat. 531 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:46,720 Speaker 2: Uh. The other one that I think that we're really 532 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:49,879 Speaker 2: close to is the long Keaton Mitchell touchdown run, like 533 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:51,920 Speaker 2: he almost had it last game. I don't know about 534 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 2: fifty plus, but thirty plus thirty plus Yeah, a touchdo 535 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 2: r thirty yard thirty plus yard touchdown round for Keaton Mitchell. Okay, 536 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 2: and just skip the red zone, just go yeah. 537 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:05,920 Speaker 1: Just forget this red zone. Let's score exactly. 538 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 2: Just skip that step. Keaton Mitchell has had some has 539 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:12,240 Speaker 2: had some nice chunk plays and he had a big 540 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 2: one call back last week because of a holding, and 541 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 2: I think that that's provided a nice spark to the 542 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:19,960 Speaker 2: offense when like things have been a little bit sluggish 543 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,359 Speaker 2: and you're trying to find yourself. Keaton's ability to get 544 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:24,919 Speaker 2: out in space and pick up big, like big chunks 545 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,879 Speaker 2: of yards is I just equate him to a three 546 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 2: point shooter who comes off the bench with the hot hands, 547 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:31,440 Speaker 2: Like I think that's what he is for this offense, 548 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 2: and so I think he's gonna hit on one of 549 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 2: those plays in this game. 550 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 1: I'm going with the defensive predictions. I already predicted under 551 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 1: twenty points. I'm gonna also predict under one hundred receiving 552 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 1: yards for Jamar Chase. Jamar Chase last year in one 553 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:48,360 Speaker 1: game he put up two sixty four and three touchdowns. 554 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 1: In the other game, one ninety three and two touches 555 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 1: those are bonkers numbers. 556 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 2: Look, if they're able to hold Jamar Chase under one hundred, 557 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 2: it's hard for me to see them losing this game. 558 00:24:59,640 --> 00:24:59,920 Speaker 1: Yeah. 559 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,919 Speaker 2: I got just with no T. Higgins on the field, 560 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 2: Like their offense is gonna run through Jamar Chase, and 561 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,040 Speaker 2: when the Ravens have struggled. 562 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 1: Against he's heating up a little bit. 563 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 2: Chase around the running back as heat up, heat it up. 564 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 2: But it's Jamar Chase. Yeah, Like, like he's the guy. 565 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,400 Speaker 2: He's maybe the best receiver in football, and he's had 566 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 2: some monster games against the Ravens. But if they can 567 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:21,760 Speaker 2: keep him under a hundred, I think the Ravens are 568 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:22,720 Speaker 2: definitely gonna win this game. 569 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:24,880 Speaker 1: It's not having T Higgins out there. You can certainly 570 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 1: pay more attention, uh to Jamar Chase. Let's get you. 571 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,399 Speaker 1: You're sure, but you're sliding coverage is his way. I 572 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 1: think the Ravens are gonna have the Jamar Chase game plan. Yeah, 573 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,200 Speaker 1: And honestly, like this is part of the reason why 574 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:41,199 Speaker 1: they drafted Malachi Starks. Take away that deep stuff. You 575 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 1: are the deep guy. Should I predict to Malachai interception? 576 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 1: I'm not, you know, I'm just I hope. So, but 577 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 1: I'm not feel now I'm keeping Jamar Chase under one hundred. 578 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,159 Speaker 2: Well. The thing also about Chase is like he can 579 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 2: hit the deep shots. But where the Ravens have struggled 580 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:59,359 Speaker 2: against him historically is like they got to run catching 581 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:02,639 Speaker 2: on to tackle him, and he's had some broken tackles 582 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:04,360 Speaker 2: and taking place to the house. And you can't give 583 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:06,639 Speaker 2: up those types of plays against him because he's one 584 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 2: of the best catching run guys in football, if not 585 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:10,879 Speaker 2: the best. So if you have a chance to get him, 586 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:12,320 Speaker 2: you got to bring him to the ground because if 587 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 2: he'll make you pay. 588 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:15,400 Speaker 1: If you don't, absolutely, it's gonna be a good game 589 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:17,680 Speaker 1: at M and T Banks Stadium. Make sure you get 590 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 1: there early. It's the Purple Rising game where you're purple. 591 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:26,960 Speaker 1: It is these these environments night games, Purple Rising, they 592 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 1: are something special. 593 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot that's happening. I mentioned the gravy boats, 594 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:33,359 Speaker 2: so that's a giveaway for this game where you have 595 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:35,479 Speaker 2: the light up wristbands, So get to your seat by 596 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:37,680 Speaker 2: eight o'clock because you're gonna want to see the light 597 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 2: show introductions all of that. So we have the risk 598 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:42,359 Speaker 2: bands presented by Cash shapp which are gonna be an 599 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 2: awesome part of the pregame festivities. 600 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,640 Speaker 1: Halftime do you lead on halftime? Oh, I know who's 601 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:48,200 Speaker 1: coming for half? 602 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:50,240 Speaker 2: Well, John is performing at halftime. 603 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:51,920 Speaker 1: From the window. 604 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,359 Speaker 2: I'm glad that Lill John's gonna be the one performing it, 605 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:56,480 Speaker 2: not you. You're gonna be singing it in the press box. 606 00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 2: But I don't even want to hear that. So he's 607 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:02,399 Speaker 2: performing at halftime. And then national anthem is going to 608 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:04,920 Speaker 2: be performed by Renee Elise Goldsberry. She was Angelica and 609 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 2: Hamilton Hamilton. So there's a lot that's going on for 610 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:10,639 Speaker 2: this game. And then you mentioned Purple Rising. That's the 611 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:14,920 Speaker 2: purple uniforms and the alternate helmet which the Ravens broke 612 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:16,880 Speaker 2: out on the practice field this week. It looks really great, 613 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:20,200 Speaker 2: So I'm excited to see all those things on Thursday night. 614 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 2: So it's gonna be a great Thanksgiving in Baltimore. We 615 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:24,879 Speaker 2: hope that by the end of this game, the Ravens 616 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,200 Speaker 2: are chowing down on the tra ducking you know. 617 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:31,080 Speaker 1: Before break, best Thanksgiving side and worse Thanksgiving side. 618 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:33,399 Speaker 2: Worse is easy Cranberry sauce. Does that count? 619 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:34,920 Speaker 1: Like? I see? I kind of like cranberries. 620 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 2: Now, get it out off the table, like, get it 621 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 2: out of. 622 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,199 Speaker 1: Here made, not out of the can, not out of 623 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,399 Speaker 1: the cans, trash. But I don't make your own like 624 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,640 Speaker 1: you just buy cranberries, nutmeg, cinnamon. I'm nice. 625 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 2: I don't really like the fruit. The fruit flavor doesn't 626 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 2: fit with the rest. 627 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:51,400 Speaker 1: Miss it's the tartness that balances. 628 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:53,399 Speaker 2: Now and then I would go, I think that if 629 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 2: we're going side, I think I think sweet potato castrole. 630 00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:59,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going that's my goat. Also, sweet potato casts 631 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,840 Speaker 1: with the nuts and marshmallows are nice little combos. Nice. 632 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:04,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, marshmallows can kind of it can become a little 633 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:05,320 Speaker 2: too sweet. 634 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:07,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. I like the pecan and little brown sugar. 635 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:11,200 Speaker 1: That's the goat right there. The worst for me, green 636 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 1: bean castrole. You don't want it off my table. 637 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 2: You don't even want anything. You don't want the illusion 638 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 2: of anything healthy out So as always, you can email 639 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:22,600 Speaker 2: us at the lounge at Ravens on NFL dot net. 640 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:24,480 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for listening. We'll be back with 641 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 2: you after the game on Thursday.