Speaker 1: Welcome to episode number one thirty five of the Marine
Speaker 1: Layer Podcast. Lyle and I have some more Mariners trade
Speaker 1: targets to break down. We'll go down on the farm
Speaker 1: and pick out a standout Mariners meer leaguer. We have
Speaker 1: a Russell Wilson umpire of the week, and we'll close
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Speaker 1: Let's get it rolling, and we welcome you to this
Speaker 1: episode of the Marine Layer Podcast, part of the Just
Speaker 1: Baseball Podcast Network, recording Thursday evening, June sixth and I'm
Speaker 1: here to report Lyle after a Mariner's series victory in Oakland.
Speaker 1: Abraham Toro for the series two for twelve struck out
Speaker 1: a couple of times today. Brian Wu through one of
Speaker 1: the nastiest two seemers in on Abe today and it
Speaker 1: looked like it broke his soul.
Speaker 2: Is the fact that he's on pace to be a
Speaker 2: three war player breaking your soul.
Speaker 1: A little bit?
Speaker 3: Three wins three?
Speaker 1: He is? He so just full transparency. He's not in
Speaker 1: this list of trade targets Low and I have today.
Speaker 1: But as I mentioned before we started recording, unfortunately, he's
Speaker 1: probably gonna be on the next one.
Speaker 3: I wonder whose fault it is that he's not on
Speaker 3: the list.
Speaker 1: That Hey, I listen, I was digging around and picking
Speaker 1: out I thought I picked we have some good names
Speaker 1: picked out today. But Abe, promise you, buddy, you're going
Speaker 1: on the next one. God, what a conflicted episode. That's
Speaker 1: gonna be.
Speaker 2: Conflicted conflicted episode. Imagine if he actually gets traded back here.
Speaker 2: I know you've talked about that before. That's gonna be
Speaker 2: one of the best podcast episodes we've ever had.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just don't know what I'm gonna do. I
Speaker 1: don't know what I'm gonna do. There's gonna need to
Speaker 1: be a bit, but I'm not sure it is. We've
Speaker 1: we have run the bit this week. Apparently I voted
Speaker 1: him for the All Star Game and no one else.
Speaker 1: But that's just what I'm told online.
Speaker 2: Well that's what sources are saying. If you was tweeted
Speaker 2: out on our account saying hey it's TJ, it must
Speaker 2: have been you.
Speaker 1: Did you put my email account in there too? So
Speaker 1: it reminded me that I voted.
Speaker 3: Hmmm, not that, not that I know of. Huh, So
Speaker 3: you didn't get the remissed out?
Speaker 1: You should should have done that. Then I would have
Speaker 1: gotten the notification before you tweeted it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, TJ wants Ave in the All Star Game, haven't
Speaker 2: you heard?
Speaker 1: Oh he's a story that would be tell twenty twenty one, TJ.
Speaker 1: Matthewson Abraham Toro is an All Star for the Oakland
Speaker 1: A's and twenty twenty fours in there thing?
Speaker 2: Really huh No, I do not think your response would
Speaker 2: be really question mark. I think you would go full
Speaker 2: Frank the tank.
Speaker 1: No, he's not.
Speaker 2: No, you would just go full Frank the tank the
Speaker 2: minute you see that he has made the roster.
Speaker 1: Well, he's gonna have to beat Mason Miller out for
Speaker 1: that one. A spot, so I'm liking my chances.
Speaker 3: Well there might be two with Brent Rooker.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, there might maybe maybe the Oakland A's with
Speaker 1: two bad Oakland A's with two.
Speaker 3: See.
Speaker 2: I would like to throw this out there before we
Speaker 2: dive into some of the trade targets. So TJ and
Speaker 2: I were texting about this a little bit this afternoon
Speaker 2: recording Thursday, after Brian Wu had a six inning shutout
Speaker 2: start against the A's.
Speaker 3: Dodra is now one oh seven on the year.
Speaker 2: What a stud First off, but I want to propose
Speaker 2: this question everybody listening, everybody watch on YouTube. TJ and
Speaker 2: I have differing opinions on this, and we want yours.
Speaker 2: So how do you do that? You guys know by
Speaker 2: now drop a comment on YouTube if you're watching, send
Speaker 2: us a DM whatever you want. If Brian Wu keeps
Speaker 2: this up, is he going to be an All Star?
Speaker 2: And my answer, shockingly is the optimist on this podcast
Speaker 2: is yes.
Speaker 1: So here's my thing about this. It's not that he
Speaker 1: doesn't deserve to be an All Star, because, like you say,
Speaker 1: if he keeps out the pace, then he'd probably have
Speaker 1: a sub one era and well ten, it'd be ten eleven,
Speaker 1: starts a month from now, so that's what it would be.
Speaker 3: Like.
Speaker 1: That is an All Star caliber first half, and he'd
Speaker 1: probably get one, two, maybe more before the All Star
Speaker 1: Game actually happens. So first thing is so currently right now,
Speaker 1: Unfortunately for him, he's outside the top forty in American
Speaker 1: League starting pitcher war. That's a I'd say a tough
Speaker 1: sell for a manager building a roster of pitchers don't
Speaker 1: all look at war, but you know, managers do like innings,
Speaker 1: and the more innings you pitch, the more war you
Speaker 1: usually gardner if you're pitching well, I don't know if
Speaker 1: he'll have the work the innings workload to get there.
Speaker 1: And secondly, I don't know if the Mariners would want
Speaker 1: him pitching more innings in the All Star Game. They
Speaker 1: already have been very, very careful. They were careful with
Speaker 1: him again today on Thursday, and watching his pitch load,
Speaker 1: he could have an All Star caliber first half on
Speaker 1: the bump, but still not make it. I think That's
Speaker 1: where I'm at right now. What he's doing right now
Speaker 1: is pretty unbelievable. I'm gonna be honest, it's not it.
Speaker 1: He has changed his pitch mix a little bit, but
Speaker 1: it hasn't been a drastic change. He's at his core,
Speaker 1: been the same person he always is, which is a
Speaker 1: fastball heavy, get a lot of ground balls, not gonna
Speaker 1: rack up a ton of strikeouts, but I'll get them
Speaker 1: in key spots and overall, just not allow hard contact
Speaker 1: at all. And he's in with all these fastballs and
Speaker 1: it works, and it's still worked in a small six
Speaker 1: game sample here to start this season, it's been pretty remarkable.
Speaker 1: He has exceeded my expectations. He still has things to
Speaker 1: do and to work on. I think I've pointed to
Speaker 1: you he's still very He's still yet to really get
Speaker 1: through a third time in the lineup at all in
Speaker 1: his career, like get through multiple like multiple batters, third
Speaker 1: time through the lineup. I think he did that today,
Speaker 1: but it was just a couple right. What that next
Speaker 1: step for him of getting him forward, and that's gonna
Speaker 1: come with a larger workload, which we haven't seen yet.
Speaker 2: So that's all well and good. But I'm saying he's
Speaker 2: an All star. If he keeps us up for another month,
Speaker 2: he might.
Speaker 1: Not have the anything is going to be an all
Speaker 1: star or he deserves to be an All Star.
Speaker 2: Oh no, I think he's got an actual chance to
Speaker 2: be if he keeps us up for another month, how
Speaker 2: how can you be a voter? How can you be
Speaker 2: a manager? If you keep this up for another month?
Speaker 2: You're sitting there with an er and the ones and say, nope,
Speaker 2: not an All Star. I'm sorry, But like I think,
Speaker 2: if he keeps this up, he's getting in.
Speaker 1: And now so he is for sure, you're.
Speaker 2: Saying, I think so if he keeps this kind of
Speaker 2: pace up. Now here's where I agree with you. The
Speaker 2: Mariners not wanting him to pitch in the All Star
Speaker 2: Game and add more innings, even if it's one inning,
Speaker 2: he is a warranted take. I think with that logic,
Speaker 2: the Mariners may opt to not have him pitch in
Speaker 2: the All Star Game, but that does not mean he
Speaker 2: doesn't get to fly to Dallas, walk the red carpet
Speaker 2: dress for the game, be in the dugout, do the
Speaker 2: media sessions, and all in all have a star next
Speaker 2: to his Baseball reference page that says All Star twenty
Speaker 2: twenty four. No, I think he keeps this up. I
Speaker 2: know he missed the first month. I think he's getting in.
Speaker 2: I don't know how you ignore a guy that could
Speaker 2: have like a one to two era or something and
Speaker 2: say no, no, he's not an All Star.
Speaker 1: This sounds like something will check in on in the
Speaker 1: end of the month, so I think we'll have a
Speaker 1: better idea. Can change if he has a blow up
Speaker 1: start you know that chang changes his case. But if
Speaker 1: he doesn't allow a run for the rest of the
Speaker 1: rest of June, then it's probably good. He's got a
Speaker 1: pretty good case.
Speaker 2: Okay, So once again call to action to all of
Speaker 2: you guys. You're listening. You can send us a DM
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Speaker 2: Wu either going to be an All Star or deserving
Speaker 2: of being an All Star if he keeps us up
Speaker 2: for the next month. We want your take. This podcast
Speaker 2: is split. We want to hear from the crowd.
Speaker 1: So so the other bit of news Lyle is we
Speaker 1: floated the idea out there. It seemed like it made sense,
Speaker 1: But this week it finally came to fruition that now
Speaker 1: recently minted top one hundred prospect Logan evans our guy
Speaker 1: is moving to the bullpen. He had a great first
Speaker 1: two months starting in Arkansas dominant, but the Mariners decided
Speaker 1: this that he's moving to the bullpen. He made his
Speaker 1: first bullpen appearance this week, allowed one unearned run a
Speaker 1: pair of hits over two innings. This makes sense. This
Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense for what the Mariners need,
Speaker 1: and it makes sense for where Logan Evans is at.
Speaker 1: I think at first I was thinking, man, it's a
Speaker 1: little early to take him out of the rotation because
Speaker 1: I feel like he still has more starter innings left
Speaker 1: in him. But he actually doesn't. Because he threw seventy
Speaker 1: eight total innings in twenty twenty three. That includes his
Speaker 1: time in college, his time post college and summer ball,
Speaker 1: and then his time with the Mariners seventy eight total innings.
Speaker 1: He's at fifty three right now, and there's four months
Speaker 1: of the season left. So the Mariners are gonna have
Speaker 1: to find some way to manage those Logan Evans innings.
Speaker 1: And if they think, okay, well he could be valuable
Speaker 1: in this Mariner's bullpen, then let's use up the next
Speaker 1: thirty or forty innings he has left this season and
Speaker 1: put him in the big league bullpen. And he's now
Speaker 1: on his way to do that.
Speaker 3: I can't wait. First off, this is going to be
Speaker 3: so exciting for him.
Speaker 2: Imagine telling Logan Evans a year ago today, when he
Speaker 2: had an era that was not desirable in college that
Speaker 2: a year from now, you're gonna be in the big leagues.
Speaker 2: That's sick like. First off, just as somebody who is
Speaker 2: now a friend of the pod, that's awesome. But in
Speaker 2: terms of the Mariner's needs, man, this would be such
Speaker 2: a boost for them. You're talking about a guy that
Speaker 2: can ramp it up to ninety nine miles an hour. Honestly,
Speaker 2: we've never seen him in the bullpen. He's in the bullpen.
Speaker 2: Who's to say he can't hit triple digits. I wouldn't
Speaker 2: be shocked if he's going all out in appearances for
Speaker 2: an inning at a time, for a bullpen that has
Speaker 2: had a bunch of injuries and needs reinforcements, this would
Speaker 2: be huge. And it's a perfect way to balance the
Speaker 2: man the workload of Logan Evans, because he's started about
Speaker 2: as many games as you could have him start for
Speaker 2: what his innings limit will allow this year. Now, what
Speaker 2: could you do with the rest of his innings? You
Speaker 2: could have him either make a couple more starts, or
Speaker 2: say hey, why don't you pitch out of the bullpen?
Speaker 2: And because you were very clearly one of the thirteen
Speaker 2: best arms in this organization, already you're getting into the bullpen.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So, Logan Evans, this is Logan Evans. This is
Speaker 1: my call to you. Get ready for the MENI my
Speaker 1: question because it's coming now, especially if you were a
Speaker 1: member of this bullpen. I see what you guys do
Speaker 1: on a day to day basis and how much free
Speaker 1: time you have. You're coming. You're getting on the mic.
Speaker 2: Oh oh, he's getting on the mic and knowing Logan
Speaker 2: a little bit.
Speaker 3: Now, I bet you will be willing to do it.
Speaker 1: To be honest with you, get ready for your top
Speaker 1: five slogan.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 2: Now here's the last thing I wanted to add. There
Speaker 2: have been some people all of a sudden starting to
Speaker 2: talk about is this transition for Logan Evans going to
Speaker 2: be permanent? I've seen I listen to Ryan Divish talk
Speaker 2: about this on Jason Puckett's podcast just recently, saying well,
Speaker 2: and I think Puckett mentioned it too, about the idea
Speaker 2: of will this be a permanent transition? The way Edwin
Speaker 2: was transferred from a starter to a reliever never went back.
Speaker 2: Matt Brash was transitioned from a starter to a reliever.
Speaker 2: They tried to let him work back as a starter
Speaker 2: of the following season, but it didn't happen.
Speaker 3: He stayed in the bullpen.
Speaker 2: I've had I've heard some people talking about, is this
Speaker 2: what's gonna happen with Logan Evans? Is this just going
Speaker 2: to be a permanent transition. I don't think so. I
Speaker 2: think it's a little different with Brash and Edwin Diez.
Speaker 2: Were those two very clearly, even though they were starting
Speaker 2: in the minor leagues. I think most scouts and analysts
Speaker 2: said their profile is more of a bullpen arm, So yes,
Speaker 2: they were transitioned to bullpen arms. What's happening with Logan
Speaker 2: Evans here, I think mirrors very much what happened with
Speaker 2: Dustin May and the Dodgers a few years ago. I
Speaker 2: think it's much more like that, where they said, look,
Speaker 2: Dustin May is clearly one of the best arms we have.
Speaker 2: There is no room for him to start in the
Speaker 2: rotation right now. But how do we optimize him and
Speaker 2: help him win this ball club games in the big leagues?
Speaker 2: Put him in the bullpen when we need him, He's
Speaker 2: going to pitch out of a bullpen, and for this
Speaker 2: season in twenty twenty four, I think that's exactactly what
Speaker 2: they're gonna do with Logan Evans. In this offseason, I'll
Speaker 2: probably go back to being a starter, So.
Speaker 1: I think he's going to be a starter next year.
Speaker 1: But I thought Puckett and Divish made good points on
Speaker 1: this thing. Ultimately, players do want to be in the
Speaker 1: big leagues because the life is that much better than
Speaker 1: it is being in the minor leagues. And look at
Speaker 1: where the Mariners current rotation is right now. Are you
Speaker 1: breaking into that group as a starter? Probably not. It's
Speaker 1: gonna be difficult, right and teams don't carry a sixth starter,
Speaker 1: so it it is ultimately up to the It's up
Speaker 1: to the team first, because the team's gonna decide with
Speaker 1: a player under contract, what they're gonna do. But then
Speaker 1: it's the player too to either accept that except maybe
Speaker 1: a bullpen roll to be a big leaguer more then
Speaker 1: say okay, well I'm gonna start. It could be a
Speaker 1: longer term, more beneficial long term for me, but it
Speaker 1: doesn't guarantee me a spot in this very rotation. So
Speaker 1: it's it's a balancing act. For example, if Emerson Hancock
Speaker 1: was if he jumped to the bullpen and was throwing
Speaker 1: ninety nine with a wicked slider, do you think he'd
Speaker 1: be up right now? Well, I will say if he
Speaker 1: would do that, Emerson Hancock would be in the bullpen
Speaker 1: right now. But as Emerson's not really he's not really
Speaker 1: a bullpen type arm, so at least not right now
Speaker 1: right And if he was in the bullpen, he'd be
Speaker 1: at the big leagues. He'd be making a big league salary,
Speaker 1: flying on chartered flights, with five star hotels, all these
Speaker 1: things that the players really cove it and they work
Speaker 1: so hard for. So it's a decision sometimes it's it
Speaker 1: all comes back to say that Logan Evans I think
Speaker 1: will still be a starter next year. But I wouldn't
Speaker 1: say it's something that is one hundred percent set in
Speaker 1: stone for everyone.
Speaker 3: It's not set in stone.
Speaker 2: But I just think with him and how he profiles,
Speaker 2: I would guess he will remain as a starter.
Speaker 3: I don't know that. I can't promise for certain. That
Speaker 3: is just my guess in my opinion, right.
Speaker 1: And just because you're in the bullpen doesn't mean that
Speaker 1: you can't start, No, you just you just need to
Speaker 1: get ramped up a little bit.
Speaker 2: It's harder once the season starts. It's much easier to
Speaker 2: go from starter to reliever mid season than reliever to starter.
Speaker 1: You're so, yeah, you're right. So ultimately those are decisions
Speaker 1: the Mariners and Logan Evans will have to make. But
Speaker 1: as of right now, bullpen for the rest of the season,
Speaker 1: it seems like, and I'll be right back in the
Speaker 1: rotation in the minor leagues next year, I would imagine,
Speaker 1: unless there's an injury, but we don't. We don't wish
Speaker 1: for injuries.
Speaker 3: Here, No, no, of course not.
Speaker 2: And like I said above all else, I think we're
Speaker 2: just really excited to now see him in the big
Speaker 2: leagues here. Soon enough, they could be by the All
Speaker 2: Star break and yeah, we're gonna be We're gonna be
Speaker 2: fired up for him, So shout out Logan. It'll be
Speaker 2: interesting to see how is outing's look is a reliever
Speaker 2: here in Double A for the next few weeks, and
Speaker 2: I think people are now keeping a very close eye
Speaker 2: on them.
Speaker 1: So let's get into these Mariners trade targets and let's
Speaker 1: go down to Tampa Bay to start. This is a
Speaker 1: guy we talked about in the off season, low Randy
Speaker 1: a Rose Arena, a guy who could pay potentially be
Speaker 1: available with Tampa Bay hovering around five hundred this year.
Speaker 1: For his career, he has been a very solid hitter.
Speaker 1: I mean we're talking about a one to twenty six
Speaker 1: WRC plus last year, won twenty four the year before that,
Speaker 1: and one twenty seven in his first full year in
Speaker 1: Tampa in twenty twenty one. But this year it hasn't
Speaker 1: been quite as good. He's got just a seventy nine
Speaker 1: WORC plus. He's striking out a lot, he is walking
Speaker 1: a little bit, he's hitting for a tiny bit of power,
Speaker 1: but his value this year has really plumbing. It would
Speaker 1: this be a guy who'd make.
Speaker 3: Sense, Not the way he profiles right now.
Speaker 2: Not when you've got an OPS nearly under six hundred
Speaker 2: and the rest of his profile. It's concerning, which is
Speaker 2: crazy to say about a guy like a rose Arena
Speaker 2: who's been He's not a superstar player, but he's in
Speaker 2: that star category between one. He's just got the fun
Speaker 2: personality and he's flashy and all that stuff.
Speaker 3: But he is a very very good baseball player.
Speaker 2: I don't know what's going on with him this year,
Speaker 2: but he's not launching the ball at all, like nothing.
Speaker 2: He's hittings going in the air, He's swinging and missing
Speaker 2: a lot. Strikeouts were already part of his game for
Speaker 2: the most part, but it's been amplified this year. And
Speaker 2: when you're not launching the ball, you're not barreling up
Speaker 2: the ball. His defense has honestly been below average. That's
Speaker 2: a problem in Seattle, even more so than other places,
Speaker 2: And going from Tampa to Seattle with this profile, that
Speaker 2: doesn't scream success. And if it's not going to be
Speaker 2: a success for Estoch Parades, who is having a great year,
Speaker 2: and it doesn't feel like it's going to be a
Speaker 2: success for Randy Roserena.
Speaker 1: I don't know if this is a case of Randy
Speaker 1: being washed or something. He's only twenty nine and he's
Speaker 1: coming off a year last year which you could argue
Speaker 1: is his best. I mentioned the one twenty six WRC plus,
Speaker 1: but he was also striking out the lowest mark he
Speaker 1: has in his career while walking the most. That's an
Speaker 1: ideal combination to have all while crushing the baseball. Now again,
Speaker 1: the strikeout rate as we mentioned is ticked up this year,
Speaker 1: and out rate is ticked up this year, and the
Speaker 1: overall production is not there. And like you said, he's
Speaker 1: not hitting the ball in the air and off, and
Speaker 1: he's not hitting it in the right spot like for example,
Speaker 1: launch angles sweet spot is something baseball savant tracks. It's
Speaker 1: how many balls do you hit between eight degrees and
Speaker 1: thirty two degrees of launch angle, which is the sweet
Speaker 1: spot for a batted ball. He is in the first
Speaker 1: percentile in baseball at that so the ideal launch angle
Speaker 1: for a hit, he's doing the least in baseball, which
Speaker 1: is which is troubling. But I don't think that's something
Speaker 1: that's unfixable. So you sit here and think of Randy like, okay,
Speaker 1: like could we tweak something here that could lead him.
Speaker 1: By the way, has still has a good hard hit profile.
Speaker 1: He's still hitting the ball hard. That's not an issue.
Speaker 1: It's where he's hitting the baseballs. If the Mariners say, okay,
Speaker 1: he's not making that much money. He's making just eight
Speaker 1: million dollars this year. We'll have him for next year
Speaker 1: and the year after that. He's not a free agent
Speaker 1: until after the twenty twenty six season. If we think
Speaker 1: we could acquire two and a half years of a
Speaker 1: twenty nine year old Randy rose Arena. We do one
Speaker 1: tweak here, one tweak there to his swing. He's already
Speaker 1: hitting the ball hard, he hits it in the air
Speaker 1: a little bit more, and then all of a sudden
Speaker 1: that production comes back and he's still got the good
Speaker 1: eye here, and he's gonna give us value by hitting
Speaker 1: the ball over the fence and by walking a bunch
Speaker 1: like that. Could that could be a way you sell it.
Speaker 2: Okay, So we should have prefaced this segment. And just
Speaker 2: for those listening and watching that that don't know, this
Speaker 2: is our under the radar Mariner's potential trade targets. If
Speaker 2: you listened to the podcast two weeks ago, from two
Speaker 2: Fridays ago, we did.
Speaker 3: All the A level names, we did all the headliners.
Speaker 2: We did Robert, we did Vladdie, we did Rucker, we
Speaker 2: did Pee Alonzo, all of them. So this segment and
Speaker 2: this podcast is more based around guys that would be
Speaker 2: a little bit under the radar. So all the names
Speaker 2: we're gonna outline here on this show fit that much.
Speaker 2: And Randy Rose Arena right now is one of them.
Speaker 2: Because he's not hitting all that great right now, here's
Speaker 2: my thing. If you had ask me three months ago,
Speaker 2: I would have said, absolutely, trade for Randy Rose Arena.
Speaker 2: We said it in the offseason. You can only trade
Speaker 2: for so many guys. It's been very clear the Mariners
Speaker 2: not only need an immediate boost in offensive production, but
Speaker 2: need to get to the playoffs this year. They need
Speaker 2: to make they need to make something happen this year.
Speaker 2: And trying to toy around with a mid season project
Speaker 2: with a guy that's way below average as a hitter
Speaker 2: right now, isn't hitting for a ton of power, isn't
Speaker 2: launching the ball, isn't playing great defense. I don't know,
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, I've got cold feet about this.
Speaker 2: Paired with I'm sure the Rays would still try to
Speaker 2: ask for a decent amount back for him.
Speaker 1: But if the price is lower and he's the second
Speaker 1: bat you acquire, is that the worst thing?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: If he's the second bat, sure, and if it's look,
Speaker 2: if it's gonna cost you somebody that's outside of your
Speaker 2: gold standard prospects.
Speaker 3: What I mean is that that.
Speaker 2: First wave, and you know who do you want to
Speaker 2: qualify in that first wave? Colt Cole Young, Harry laz Belman, Barmelo.
Speaker 2: I'll throw typed in there too, Like if it's somebody
Speaker 2: past those guys, sure, But if it's gonna be what
Speaker 2: Randy Rose arena would have cost it a couple months ago,
Speaker 2: and you have to try to fix a guy midseason,
Speaker 2: then I've got cold feat.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think the way we preface this list of
Speaker 1: trade targets is most of these guys, if not all
Speaker 1: of them, would be the second guy you acquire. If
Speaker 1: the Mariters are going all out at the deadline to
Speaker 1: improve the offense, this is the second guy you're getting.
Speaker 1: There's I think one guy in this list who we
Speaker 1: think would be a potential number one, but the rest
Speaker 1: of this would be a number two. And I think
Speaker 1: Randy at a cheaper price the race, I feel like,
Speaker 1: don't have as much leverage as we would think because
Speaker 1: we know they don't like paying arbitration salaries and is
Speaker 1: this gonna go up again and again he's got again
Speaker 1: two more times. This salary's gonna raise as a Tampa
Speaker 1: Bay ray. And you know we you and I both
Speaker 1: know they don't want to pay that right now that
Speaker 1: Randy's gonna not if they don't know what's wrong with Randy?
Speaker 3: Sure? All right?
Speaker 2: So with that scenario painted more open minded, Yes, if
Speaker 2: it's going to actually cost you a high level prospect,
Speaker 2: then I've got cold feet. So oh and if this
Speaker 2: is going to be the second bat you acquire, if
Speaker 2: the Mariners were to acquire two outfield bats or a
Speaker 2: first baseman and an outfielder for example, I'm not saying
Speaker 2: any of these are gonna happen, but if they were
Speaker 2: to acquire Luis Robert and a Rose Arena or I
Speaker 2: guess for our sake, because we've talked about Rooker a
Speaker 2: little more since we have, you know, concerns with Roberts health.
Speaker 2: Who's gonna be Rooker and a Rose Arena? Sure, then
Speaker 2: a Rose Raina is not the headliner all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: I'd be open to that. If he's the headliner and
Speaker 2: they're trying to and the Rays are trying to ask
Speaker 2: for top level prospects, no way.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's fair.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's fair.
Speaker 1: But you know, nobody, nobody is perfect here. And if
Speaker 1: Randy was doing what he did last year, he would
Speaker 1: have been in our episode two weeks ago.
Speaker 2: Sure, and Yandi Diaz would too. Who's not on this
Speaker 2: list because Ty France are starting to hit. And you
Speaker 2: know we've outlined some other guys in that first base
Speaker 2: dh mold But same thing. If Yandy Diaz was hitting
Speaker 2: the way he was supposed to be hitting, he'd be
Speaker 2: on the list two weeks ago.
Speaker 1: Tie has been better than Yandi Diaz this year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, correct, it has been great. Yandi Diaz has not
Speaker 2: been great. That's why he's not on the list. But
Speaker 2: it is crazy how fast things change. All right, second guy,
Speaker 2: we're gonna get to in a minute. Before that, let's
Speaker 2: take a pause here. We're gonna talk to you about
Speaker 2: our friends over at Pagatcha's Pub eighty five.
Speaker 3: You know, one of these guys may be a Mariner
Speaker 3: at some point.
Speaker 2: Maybe you don't get to watch him a ton on
Speaker 2: TV right now, but if the day comes that the
Speaker 2: Mariners make a big trade, you want to get out
Speaker 2: with your friends and watch the Mariners games. You want
Speaker 2: to watch a new name Mariner in a Mariner uniform.
Speaker 2: Head out some friends and do it. Head over to
Speaker 2: Pigatcha's Pub eighty five. You can hang out. You can
Speaker 2: eat some great food, some great drinks. You want to
Speaker 2: play pool. You want to play darts, You've got a
Speaker 2: bunch of stuff to do. Like it's it's your one
Speaker 2: stop shop. And if you go during happy hour, drinks
Speaker 2: are three and four dollars and that's from two to
Speaker 2: six pm Monday through Friday. So if you want to
Speaker 2: head out early, want to get some drinks, you want
Speaker 2: to watch the Mariners, we recommend it. That's all over
Speaker 2: at Pigotcha's Pub eighty five in Kirkland. Guy number two,
Speaker 2: another exciting name, Jash Chisholm of the Miami Marlins. On
Speaker 2: the year, he has a seven thirty five ops, eight homers,
Speaker 2: one oh seven WRC plus one point two f wour
Speaker 2: and he currently has two and a half years on
Speaker 2: his contract.
Speaker 3: How do we feel about this one?
Speaker 1: Fun? This would be the most fun guy they could
Speaker 1: acquire easily. He's got a little bit of power, he's
Speaker 1: got a little bit of swag. He's an electric bas owner.
Speaker 1: He would play the corner outfield. He hasn't played corner outfield,
Speaker 1: but I think he'd be okay at corner outfield. His
Speaker 1: defensive numbers are interesting to say the least, But if
Speaker 1: you stick him out there in the corner having a
Speaker 1: lot of fun, chain will be out, might hit a homer,
Speaker 1: toss his bad a million miles into the air. And
Speaker 1: by the way, he'll be productive like that. That's what
Speaker 1: you want, right, Ultimately, it's production. And you know, looking
Speaker 1: at the team across the aisle that you're going to
Speaker 1: be training with here at the Miami Marlins, Like, seriously,
Speaker 1: how much is he really gonna cost?
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a again, he's a one oh seven WRC
Speaker 2: plus guy. I know he's got two and a half
Speaker 2: years of control, So he is not going to cost
Speaker 2: you a bunch of top level prospects in your farm system.
Speaker 2: Your farm's not gonna get gutted for jazz Chasm, that's
Speaker 2: for sure. So yeah, I'm sure that the package would
Speaker 2: probably be reasonable. And like you said, how do you
Speaker 2: know the flairy add to this team, to this city,
Speaker 2: to this region be awesome? And selfishly, guy's a great quote.
Speaker 2: You think he wouldn't make great short form content if
Speaker 2: we got him on the mic?
Speaker 3: Oh he would.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we should. If Jerry doesn't want to do it,
Speaker 1: we should do the negotiating with the Marlins. We'll do that.
Speaker 3: I'm sure, Well, he'd be word.
Speaker 1: I think it'd be worth the investment.
Speaker 3: I mean, how hard can it be to negotiate with
Speaker 3: the Marlins?
Speaker 1: Well, you know, how's that Christian Yell's trade working out exactly?
Speaker 3: You know what's funny?
Speaker 2: Arm put out that tweet Arm Lighton, who's the co
Speaker 2: founder of Just Baseball and has been on this podcast.
Speaker 2: It went viral because the four guys the the Marlins
Speaker 2: got back for Christian Yelich are now all out of baseball.
Speaker 2: One of them, I'm gonna blank on his name. Maybe
Speaker 2: I need to look it up. One of them is
Speaker 2: now trying to play college football at age twenty.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Monte Harrison, he's former four star recruit. He's at
Speaker 1: Arkansas m h.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's who it was.
Speaker 2: Monte Harrison and Lewis Brinson, who was the headline of
Speaker 2: that deal.
Speaker 3: Is out of baseball. He's out a major league baseball
Speaker 3: that's for sure.
Speaker 1: So but like Jazz has shown, he has like the
Speaker 1: potential to be electric. Twenty twenty two season was his best.
Speaker 1: He was an All Star that year, had a one
Speaker 1: thirty six worc plus and sixty games. That was peak Jazz.
Speaker 1: Go back on YouTube like it's the Tavon Austin joke
Speaker 1: where you go watch Tavon Austin, West Virginia highlights, But no,
Speaker 1: go watch Jazz Chisholm's twenty twenty two season highlights because
Speaker 1: that was that was a fun season. But he's actually
Speaker 1: we're talking about this year. He's made some really quality
Speaker 1: jumps in areas you'd like to see. His quality of
Speaker 1: contact is up, his barrel rate is up, and his
Speaker 1: walk rate is up. Those are positive science I And
Speaker 1: his barrel rate is up there at twelve percent eighty
Speaker 1: second percentile, it's pretty good. He's not a huge guy overall,
Speaker 1: not a huge power guy. And when you look at
Speaker 1: the Savant page, you see average about overall net average.
Speaker 1: But then you check at the value batting run value
Speaker 1: eighty first percentile, base running run value something the Mariners
Speaker 1: need ninety seventh percentile. Then fielding he's average. Well, note
Speaker 1: that with the Marlins he plays center. The Mariners should
Speaker 1: be in the corner outfield spots. And he, by the way,
Speaker 1: was a former infielder. If you want, if you dare
Speaker 1: to move him back on the infield, you could do
Speaker 1: that too. So he's versatile, he's fast, he's fun, he's
Speaker 1: got a little big bit of power. He's not gonna
Speaker 1: cost that much. That's why I think this would be fun.
Speaker 2: He's actually on pace for about twenty five homers right now,
Speaker 2: which is crazy, but he is so Yeah, all that combined,
Speaker 2: especially the fact that he can play infield and outfield
Speaker 2: for you, that helps a lot. I know he hasn't
Speaker 2: played second base this year, but if you need him
Speaker 2: to play second base, I'm sure he can do it.
Speaker 2: And like you said, if you can play center field,
Speaker 2: you can play the corners. Especially if you're Jazz Chisholm,
Speaker 2: I'm sure he can play left field. So if they
Speaker 2: if the Mariner's traded for him and had him play
Speaker 2: left field, I think that would be perfectly fine. And
Speaker 2: the two guys we've headlined so far with chishom and
Speaker 2: a ros Arena, because they have club can role that
Speaker 2: is much more appealing, as we know, to Jerry Topoto
Speaker 2: and Justin Hollander than probably a lot of the guys
Speaker 2: we're gonna headline upcoming because they don't usually make trades
Speaker 2: for Reynolds.
Speaker 1: Can you just think of the personality difference with the
Speaker 1: current Mariners corner outfielders and then Jazz.
Speaker 2: Listen, And that's no knock on any of the Mariners
Speaker 2: guys like people are who they are. But but yes
Speaker 2: to to your point of Don Canzon and Luke Rayley,
Speaker 2: Mitch Hanneger, who are all you know, they're more on
Speaker 2: the quiet side, at least from what we see as
Speaker 2: media for the most part. Paired with jazz Chisholm. That's
Speaker 2: that's pretty night and day different like night and day. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's oh yeah, that's a drastic difference in terms of
Speaker 2: the outgoingness, at least at least in public.
Speaker 3: Again, maybe maybe in the clubhouse. All those guys are
Speaker 3: way different.
Speaker 2: We don't know that, but at least how they they
Speaker 2: are around I guess the media or on TV.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's there's a big difference.
Speaker 1: And you know overall, like if you acquire them so
Speaker 1: I city, he's gonna be region after the twenty twenty sixties.
Speaker 1: But he's not that expensive. He cost two point six
Speaker 1: million this year. He'll probably cost five next year and
Speaker 1: then seven and a half the year he walks, right,
Speaker 1: it's not that much.
Speaker 2: No, Now, if we're gonna highlight a couple of concerns,
Speaker 2: which we probably should, he I don't want to say
Speaker 2: he's a platoon bat, but he fares much better against
Speaker 2: righty's than he has lefties in his career. You're talking
Speaker 2: about an eight hundred ops against righty's and his six
Speaker 2: twenty five ops in his career against lefties. So again,
Speaker 2: he doesn't platoon, but there there are some somewhat draftic splits.
Speaker 2: And he hasn't been Luis Robert injured in his career,
Speaker 2: but he has sustained his share of injuries.
Speaker 3: So health is something to consider here too.
Speaker 2: Again, like because he wouldn't cost that much any of
Speaker 2: his club control, I am open minded the idea.
Speaker 3: I'm just outlining that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he would you say he's the best player
Speaker 1: right now on the Marlins, right he doesn't. He wouldn't
Speaker 1: have to be that anymore, right so, and it was
Speaker 1: him and was a rise than him, but now it's
Speaker 1: I think it's just him. So there would be I'd
Speaker 1: say less the pressure would be on, like he'd be
Speaker 1: in Seattle to play, but it's not. Our season makes
Speaker 1: some breaks if you stay healthy right now, which is
Speaker 1: different which would be different than Luis Robert, which the
Speaker 1: Mariners season if they were to acquire him and then
Speaker 1: he would get hurt, would affect the Mariner's season greatly.
Speaker 2: To answer your question, he is the most valuable position
Speaker 2: player on the Marlins. That's for sure now by Baseball
Speaker 2: Reference because I just pulled it up. In terms of
Speaker 2: team war for this year. There are three pitchers ahead
Speaker 2: of him, Ryan Weathers, Tanner, Scott Declan Cronin. But Jazz
Speaker 2: chism is the most valuable position player on the Miami Marlins.
Speaker 1: All right, well sounds good to me and Jerry so
Speaker 1: I overall like the idea of Jazz Chisholm, and don't
Speaker 1: I don't think he'll cost that much. Now, if we
Speaker 1: go to our next guy, different profile, different personality, differ
Speaker 1: in structure, it'll be Mark Canna. We've talked and a
Speaker 1: lot around the Mariners community have talked about Mark Canna
Speaker 1: for years now as a guy who could fit in Seattle,
Speaker 1: talked about it when he was a free agent a
Speaker 1: couple of years ago, and now that he's in his
Speaker 1: walk ear in Detroit, it's come back up that Mark
Speaker 1: Canna could be in addition to this team. One fourteen
Speaker 1: WRC plus this year, six home runs, he's walking a
Speaker 1: decent amount, he's not striking out. He's been worth about
Speaker 1: one Fangrafts win above replacement. He has been a remarkably
Speaker 1: consistent hitter in his career. What do you think about this.
Speaker 2: As a secondary piece? Sure, he is almost always above
Speaker 2: league average as a hitter. I love the fact that
Speaker 2: he walks. I love the fact that he is not
Speaker 2: a huge strikeout guy. Mariners need a guy like that.
Speaker 2: And you know, he can play quarterer outfield, he can
Speaker 2: play quarterer infield, he can dh He's got some versatility.
Speaker 2: I like Markanna as a player. But if the Mariners
Speaker 2: and the trade deadline and there headline offensive acquisition is
Speaker 2: acquiring thirty four year old Mark Kanna with two months
Speaker 2: on his contract, that's the caveat that would have not
Speaker 2: just me, but probably a lot of people up in arms.
Speaker 3: I like Mark Canna as a player.
Speaker 2: I would like him if he's the second option, if
Speaker 2: you get him and a Brent Rooker of Laddie whoever,
Speaker 2: but not as a headliner.
Speaker 1: He's just showing telltale signs of aging. Like his slugging
Speaker 1: has gone down every season as he's gone into his thirties,
Speaker 1: and he's just slugging three eighty seven this year. And
Speaker 1: that doesn't take away from the fact, again he's still
Speaker 1: above average hitter by WRC plus and by a good
Speaker 1: amount at one fourteen, but that's mostly because he is
Speaker 1: He walks a bunch, and it's helped him maintain a
Speaker 1: three point fifty on base percentage every season since twenty nineteen.
Speaker 1: It's not something you just make up, and looking at
Speaker 1: the rest of the Mariners lineup, they don't have a
Speaker 1: lot of three point fifty on base percentages in that lineup.
Speaker 1: So he would certainly be on and a head of
Speaker 1: guys to hit him in, which would be good, but
Speaker 1: his defense, his defense isn't great. Primarily a much better
Speaker 1: hitter against lefties, is about a league average hitter against righty's,
Speaker 1: and there's just not too much else you can do
Speaker 1: as a rental. I mean, he would come in to
Speaker 1: supplement and be a right handed hitting, corner outfielder that
Speaker 1: you could have. You would essentially trade for him and
Speaker 1: want him to be better than Mitch Hanniger, which right
Speaker 1: now he is. But both are in their mid thirties.
Speaker 1: So what if Canna gets to August and September and
Speaker 1: the wear and tear catches up and he slumps and
Speaker 1: struggles as a lot of older players do. It's just
Speaker 1: hard to maintain sometimes. So if you think in August
Speaker 1: and September Mark Hannah is a better player than Mitch Hanniger,
Speaker 1: then that works. But if you're not sold you think
Speaker 1: the age might catch up to him. I don't know
Speaker 1: if that works.
Speaker 3: Well unless you've got anything else on Mark Canna.
Speaker 2: There is an option for rental outfielder who's a little
Speaker 2: bit younger, who might be more intriguing, and many of
Speaker 2: you know his name, it's Tyler O'Neil. For the year,
Speaker 2: the former Mariners prospect has an eight to forty seven ops,
Speaker 2: eleven bombs, one thirty one WRC plus zero point eight
Speaker 2: f war also a free agent at the end of
Speaker 2: the year and younger than Mark Canna. Now, this dude
Speaker 2: hits the ball with absolute force. His battle ball profile
Speaker 2: is awesome. He hits for a ton of power. He's
Speaker 2: maybe more in shape than any player in baseball. However,
Speaker 2: the one thing that stands out is the same issue
Speaker 2: the whole Mariners team is having, not just last year,
Speaker 2: but this year too. Strikeouts through the roof. Tyler O'Neal
Speaker 2: is striking out thirty three and a half percent of
Speaker 2: the time. So how do you feel about this one?
Speaker 1: He might be one of the big outside of Joey
Speaker 1: Gallo three true outcome guys in baseball at this point,
Speaker 1: so strikeout rates thirty three percent, he's got his highest
Speaker 1: ISO of his career, and he's walking a bunch, right,
Speaker 1: He's walking almost thirteen percent of the time. So if
Speaker 1: you like action, he's probably not your player. So he's
Speaker 1: he's gonna just mash try and mash the ball in
Speaker 1: the air and pull it a bunch. Here's a problem, Lyle.
Speaker 1: What version of Tyler O'Neill would the Mariners get. In
Speaker 1: April he put up an Aaron Junge Barry Bonds esque
Speaker 1: what two o six WRC plus? But then in May
Speaker 1: before he got hurt and just came off the il.
Speaker 1: Yesterday on Wednesday he had a forty five WRC plus.
Speaker 1: Who are they getting right? You're not trading for Tyler
Speaker 1: O'Neil to put up a forty five WRC plus on
Speaker 1: your roster because the Mariners already have that if they
Speaker 1: wanted it.
Speaker 2: This just feels like too streaky and too risky of
Speaker 2: a player for somebody like Jerry Depoto or Justin hond
Speaker 2: Or to trade for. He's an like he's had overall
Speaker 2: a good year anchored by a phenomenal April. If the
Speaker 2: Mariners are traded for him before the year, you could
Speaker 2: have guaranteed yourself a home run on opening Day, considering
Speaker 2: a home runs on opening Day. He had a home
Speaker 2: run on opening Day every year. But if you're talking
Speaker 2: about you need him for half a season or two months,
Speaker 2: doesn't feel like the most sustainable guy in the world
Speaker 2: you'd trade for. Honestly, between him and Mark Canna, the
Speaker 2: Mariners would probably be more inclined to trade for Canna.
Speaker 1: I agree, And I'm worried if you would even fit
Speaker 1: into T Mobile Park. How much do we have to
Speaker 1: hear complaining about how flyballs don't carry in T Mobile Park? Well,
Speaker 1: Tyler O'Neil this year has the highest fly ball percentage
Speaker 1: and lowest line drive and ground ball rate of his
Speaker 1: career this year, so he's selling out for fly balls. Well,
Speaker 1: it just so happens that T Mobile Park is the
Speaker 1: worst possible park to hit a fly ball in. Does
Speaker 1: that fit? No? Not really. It's a little better in
Speaker 1: the summer, little bit, yeah, but still not great even
Speaker 1: when it warms up. It still warms up everywhere else too.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Really, this feels like a little too polarizing a player
Speaker 2: for Jerry and justin to go trade for and for
Speaker 2: a guy that you're not really gonna know what you're getting.
Speaker 1: And it's not just this year that he's been checkl
Speaker 1: and hide. Just look at how his career was. He
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one he had his major breakout, he's
Speaker 1: great in the field, he had a one forty three
Speaker 1: WRC plus, and then in the last two years in
Speaker 1: Saint Louis he was a league average hitter. So who
Speaker 1: are you getting right? Everyone thought Tyler O'Neil was a star,
Speaker 1: gonna be a star in twenty twenty one after that,
Speaker 1: but he couldn't get it. I know, things didn't really
Speaker 1: work out in the Cardinals organization. It was a really
Speaker 1: weird relationship. But I mean even this year, it's been
Speaker 1: up and then it's been down, the highest of highs
Speaker 1: and the lowest of lows. So if you catch him
Speaker 1: on his two month hot streak at the end of
Speaker 1: the season, then Jerry Depoto will look like an absolute
Speaker 1: genius for swinging this trade, Because, to be honest, Love,
Speaker 1: if you think about it, right handed hitting power for
Speaker 1: consistently for two months is something the lineup could use,
Speaker 1: but you're not guaranteed to get it. No.
Speaker 2: Again, this just doesn't feel like the player they would
Speaker 2: trade for. No matter what, whether he's hot or not,
Speaker 2: you're getting a ton of strikeouts and I don't think
Speaker 2: the Mariners or any fans for that matter, can put
Speaker 2: up with any more strikeouts, especially if strikeouts are gonna
Speaker 2: go up by acquiring Tyler O'Neil.
Speaker 1: How about a less boom or bust outfield option and
Speaker 1: a more consistent offensive player. How about Michael Confordo, thirty
Speaker 1: one year old outfielder for the San Francisco Giants is
Speaker 1: a one to twenty six WRC plus this year. He's
Speaker 1: a rental making eighteen million dollars this year. Average strikeout rate,
Speaker 1: average walk rate, hits, a ton of line drives. Is
Speaker 1: not an over the top power guy. What do you think.
Speaker 3: About this and Seattle Royalty? Mm?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he was.
Speaker 2: He went to Redmond High School, which is not our rival.
Speaker 2: It's not Lake Washington High School's rival. It would be
Speaker 2: like I guess the it would almost be like your
Speaker 2: inner league rival because Lake Washington Redmen were in different
Speaker 2: regions like three A, four A. It would almost be
Speaker 2: like how the Yankees' main rival is obviously the Red Sox,
Speaker 2: but then it would kind of be like the Yankees
Speaker 2: Mets thing. That's like what Lake Washington and Redmond High
Speaker 2: School are like. Anyway, Michael Canfordo as a baseball player,
Speaker 2: as a professional baseball player, yeah, sure, for half a year,
Speaker 2: this could make a lot of sense. Now, something you're
Speaker 2: going to have to take into account. He has been
Speaker 2: platoon ish in his career. I'm not saying he always
Speaker 2: gets used as a platoon bat, but his lefty righty
Speaker 2: splits have have some fluctuation in his career. But even
Speaker 2: with that, even though he's much better against righty's than lefties,
Speaker 2: he hits. And if you need a secondary bat that
Speaker 2: can play some outfield, play some DH it's a lot
Speaker 2: of left handed outfielders, but it's a guy that could
Speaker 2: make some sense.
Speaker 1: The lefty outfield stacking thing is real because as of
Speaker 1: right now, the Mariners don't need a lefty outfielder, which
Speaker 1: you know, it would just be kind of weird to
Speaker 1: carry three left handed hitting corner outfielders. Doesn't really fit
Speaker 1: on a roster and doesn't fit for how the Mariners
Speaker 1: manage and structure their roster around a matchup the other.
Speaker 1: There's another interesting thing. He's you know, he's walked a
Speaker 1: bunch in his career, over ten percent of the time
Speaker 1: for his career, but it's down this year. He was
Speaker 1: only a league average hitter last year, and the year
Speaker 1: before that he missed the entire season with what I
Speaker 1: believe was a shoulder injury. He's not the healthiest guy
Speaker 1: in the world, and he's not a good defender in
Speaker 1: the outfield. So the bat itself right now looks good.
Speaker 1: But remember he's on the other side of thirty. He's
Speaker 1: had injury injury issues in the past, and he's not
Speaker 1: a great defender. So this feels like if they were
Speaker 1: really gonna trade for him, does this almost feel like
Speaker 1: he would be a DH sort of.
Speaker 2: And again, the reason I'm somewhat open minded to it
Speaker 2: is I do like the fact he can barrel it up.
Speaker 2: I do like the fact he doesn't strike out a ton.
Speaker 2: Just if you're if I know, the left handed corner
Speaker 2: outfield thing is gonna get crowded. I'm just thinking of,
Speaker 2: how do you get the offense better with a secondary piece.
Speaker 3: Confordo has a chance to do that.
Speaker 2: Yes, you would force guys like Canzone or Rali or
Speaker 2: even maybe Canforida to start facing lefties more. But I
Speaker 2: still feel like it's worth the consideration. Considering again, Michael
Speaker 2: Confordo is having a good year this year. I know
Speaker 2: his walks are down, but he is having a good
Speaker 2: year and he barrels it up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think it would work. The other thing
Speaker 1: to note, as he's one of two giants on this list,
Speaker 1: giants are right in the thick of the wild card
Speaker 1: race right now, so it doesn't necessarily mean he would
Speaker 1: be available, but he would not cost that much.
Speaker 3: No, no, not for half a year.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 2: I should clarify too, in case I didn't make it
Speaker 2: clear if my Opnfordo is way older than the two
Speaker 2: of us are.
Speaker 3: I never like played him in high school or anything
Speaker 3: like that.
Speaker 2: When I was bringing up the high school thing, because
Speaker 2: he went to high school right before we were in
Speaker 2: high school. It was just he went to the secondary
Speaker 2: rival school, that's all. But but yeah, I'd be open
Speaker 2: to this. I'd be like, again, it would cause some
Speaker 2: maneuvering on the roster, and it would cause Scott's Service
Speaker 2: and Jared Depoto to have to think of some you
Speaker 2: know tweaked strategies for how to best put out a
Speaker 2: lineup every day.
Speaker 3: But if this is the guy that's.
Speaker 2: Available and you need two bats or you feel like
Speaker 2: you do one top level guy and one secondary level guy,
Speaker 2: I'm not saying it's the guy at the top of
Speaker 2: your list, but he has been otavity won't cost a lot,
Speaker 2: could be worth a thought now.
Speaker 1: Well. Some may think Michael Confordo would be the best
Speaker 1: hit of this group. I actually think the last two
Speaker 1: guys are the two best hitting options, pure hitting options
Speaker 1: that the Mariners could go out and trade for on
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Speaker 1: border for our penn ultimate guy on this trade listlyle
Speaker 1: A catcher Danny Jansen. He's scheduled to be a free
Speaker 1: agent after this season. He's split time catching with Alejandro
Speaker 1: Kirk the last few years, and this dude mashes a
Speaker 1: one forty two WRC plus this year. He was at
Speaker 1: one sixteen last year and one forty one in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty two. This dude hits, and I honestly think this
Speaker 1: guy the value of bringing this guy over to split
Speaker 1: time with Cal Ray would be immensely valuable.
Speaker 2: He's got nearly one and a half af war in
Speaker 2: thirty three games. He's been good. He's been very good.
Speaker 2: Here's my retort, how do you manage having three catchers
Speaker 2: on the roster that all need playing time right now?
Speaker 2: It's a little bit different because yes, they have three
Speaker 2: catchers on the roster, but Sebi Zavala feels like he's
Speaker 2: been in the doghouse for a bit. He's on the roster,
Speaker 2: he's barely playing. So if you were to alter that
Speaker 2: and have Cal, Danny Jansen, and Mitch Garver all on
Speaker 2: the roster, how do you get all those guys in
Speaker 2: the lineup enough?
Speaker 1: I think this trade would make a lot more sense
Speaker 1: if Mitch Garver starts hitting the cover off the ball
Speaker 1: the next two months leading up to the deadline. Therefore,
Speaker 1: you feel very comfortable that he doesn't have to go
Speaker 1: back behind the plate, and that you can. Essentially, it's
Speaker 1: like addition by sub not even addition by subtraction, but
Speaker 1: you would manage you You could justify trading to have
Speaker 1: cow split time, and then you could swap guys out
Speaker 1: of the d H spot as you have the left
Speaker 1: handed hitting cow and then the two right handed hitters
Speaker 1: Jansen and Garver. And ultimately, while like besides the fact
Speaker 1: of taking some of the stress off of Calc, this
Speaker 1: dude just gets so beat up back there, especially as
Speaker 1: the season wears down. He's gonna need off days, He's
Speaker 1: gonna need rest days, and I think Jansen, in his
Speaker 1: one forty two worc plus can be the guy to
Speaker 1: do that.
Speaker 2: Look, there's a lot of reasons that make sense. It's
Speaker 2: another guy that would be a rental, so he probably
Speaker 2: wouldn't cost that much.
Speaker 3: I don't think the Blue Jays can get that much
Speaker 3: back for him.
Speaker 2: And I love the fact that he walks about eleven
Speaker 2: percent of the time. I love the fact that he
Speaker 2: is a fifteen percent strikeout rate guy. Talk about a
Speaker 2: boost for the Mariners in that department. It's just again,
Speaker 2: how do you manage the three catchers. You can do it,
Speaker 2: and you're right. If Mitch Garver really gets going here
Speaker 2: in the next six weeks, this conversation gets much more real.
Speaker 2: But like every guy on this roster, there is some
Speaker 2: I don't want to say hold back, but some caveat.
Speaker 2: So there is just the thought of how do you
Speaker 2: manage it all?
Speaker 1: How would you manage it on your roster? Your current
Speaker 1: roster would be really the question because Jansen's played part
Speaker 1: time pretty much his entire career, so it would be
Speaker 1: nothing new to him. That's true, not playing every single day.
Speaker 1: He's managed to be this productive, not facing pitchers every
Speaker 1: single day, which is which is remarkable. And even like
Speaker 1: Cal's like, man, you guys trade it for another catcher,
Speaker 1: It's like, well, no, Cal, knowing that Danny Janson's not
Speaker 1: going to be a Seattle Mariner next year, highly unlikely
Speaker 1: he would be a Briner next year. This would be
Speaker 1: a two month arrangement. But he swats homers, walks, doesn't
Speaker 1: strike out a whole lot. He's really a dead pole guy. Really,
Speaker 1: He's like a Brian Doser level home run hitter, pull
Speaker 1: hould fly balls, so works out. But I like this
Speaker 1: idea because I think it would benefit Cal so much
Speaker 1: to have Danny Jansen there, just take the pressure off
Speaker 1: him a little bit.
Speaker 2: So maybe you could operate like this. Cal catches behind
Speaker 2: the plate four days a week. Jansen catches three days
Speaker 2: a week, and then additionally, you get cal one DH
Speaker 2: day in addition to the four days behind the plate.
Speaker 3: Sounds right, that would probably do a lot for cal Raley, keep.
Speaker 1: Him left bang up, and that would still give Mitch
Speaker 1: Garver at least five days hitting if he's hitting right.
Speaker 1: This is contingent on Mitch Garver hitting right, because we
Speaker 1: know Mitch Garver's not getting jettisoned off the roster because
Speaker 1: he makes a lot of money. So if the backup
Speaker 1: catcher position is open and Garver's not occupying it because
Speaker 1: he's not hitting, I think Jansen makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 1: Like just if you think about it in a sense
Speaker 1: right now of how the Mariners are operating, would you
Speaker 1: rather have Sebbi Savala or Danny Jansen on the roster?
Speaker 3: Right there?
Speaker 2: You go, Yeah it's Jansen, yo, So sure, Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: a decent idea. Now, I would hope that would fire
Speaker 2: people up. If the Mariner's deadline was they traded for
Speaker 2: Brent Rooker and also traded for Danny Jansen, that's a
Speaker 2: pretty good deadline. That's two real bats that you acquired.
Speaker 1: Is it a hot take to say this would be
Speaker 1: the most realistic Toronto Blue Jays trade option.
Speaker 2: No, no, it wouldn't because the Mariners aren't gonna want
Speaker 2: to give up a huge package for either Vladdie or
Speaker 2: boushett I would assume. Now Lattie's heating up, but so
Speaker 2: is ty France. So how much the Mariners want to
Speaker 2: trade for a first basement with no defensive no defensive value,
Speaker 2: no value on the bas pads when you have a
Speaker 2: first basement playing very very well, we'll see. But for
Speaker 2: two months of Danny Jansen, two months of essentially a
Speaker 2: backup catch, how much can that even cost?
Speaker 3: Probably very little, very little.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Again, already plays half the time, right, so.
Speaker 2: Yeah, would make a lot of sense. Danny Jansen for
Speaker 2: a few years now has been the best number two
Speaker 2: catcher in baseball. There was a year that people were
Speaker 2: talking about him and Kirk as both top ten catchers,
Speaker 2: even though they split time.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: So now, notice we're not talking about Alejandro Kirk because
Speaker 1: he is not played as well.
Speaker 2: No, no, he hasn't you know a guy who has
Speaker 2: played well though, last guy on the list, we saved
Speaker 2: him for last. In terms of underrated trade targets, I
Speaker 2: think this is the one we're most fired up to
Speaker 2: talk about Lamont Wade, Junior of the San Francisco Giants
Speaker 2: Late Night Lamont for the year he is he has
Speaker 2: corralled an eight ninety six ops. He's got two bombs,
Speaker 2: but don't let that fool you. One sixty eight WRC
Speaker 2: plus and an f war of nearly two. He's got
Speaker 2: a year and a half a club control. He has
Speaker 2: been the Giants' best hitter. Go look at his savant page. People,
Speaker 2: you want a fun exercise, go on to Lamont Waite's
Speaker 2: baseball savant page and pull it up, because it is
Speaker 2: We've used the term bright red kool aid on this
Speaker 2: podcast before. That's what a savant page looks like. It
Speaker 2: is bright red. So how are we feeling.
Speaker 1: Let's put to some context how good his savant page is.
Speaker 1: At the time of his tweet from Michael Fisher of CODEFI,
Speaker 1: so he listed out how many one hundred percentile stat
Speaker 1: cast rankings you have on your page? And he listed
Speaker 1: it was a ranking of players in baseball. So Aaron
Speaker 1: Judge leads all of baseball. He has nine. Juan Soto
Speaker 1: is second, he has six. Should be unfair the Yankees
Speaker 1: have top two, but is what it is. Bobby Wit
Speaker 1: and Luisa rise Eats have three and then at two
Speaker 1: the list goes show Heyo, Tani, John Carlos, Stanton O'Neil
Speaker 1: Cruz and Lamont Wade. Sounds like a group you would
Speaker 1: want to be a part of. This is the best
Speaker 1: guy on this list. Now there's a problem here, So
Speaker 1: I mentioned above with Michael Confordo. The Giants are in
Speaker 1: the playoff hunt right now. They are five hundred, a
Speaker 1: five hundred team that is right there for the third
Speaker 1: wildcard in the National League. Time will tell whether they
Speaker 1: will be there in two mounts, but the third wild
Speaker 1: card offers a lot of optimism to teams. So not
Speaker 1: only is lamont Wade under contract next year as well,
Speaker 1: meaning the Giants don't have to deal him if they
Speaker 1: don't want to, but he's also their best player. So
Speaker 1: asking a contending team to trade their best player in
Speaker 1: the middle of a playoff chase is a steep asque,
Speaker 1: and with the Giants not being pushed into a corner
Speaker 1: with him not being a free agent until after next season,
Speaker 1: the price for a platoon bat pretty much if what
Speaker 1: lamon Waite has done. He's only had twelve at bats
Speaker 1: against lefties this year, as a left handed hitter. Doesn't
Speaker 1: that seem like a little much.
Speaker 2: Here's the only thing I'd say. I know, the Giants
Speaker 2: are within a couple games of the wildcard. They're also
Speaker 2: three under five hundred and look, the NL wildcard has
Speaker 2: been awful this year, that third wildcard specifically terrible. I
Speaker 2: would be interested to see what that wildcard standings page
Speaker 2: looks like at the end of July, if anybody's gotten hot,
Speaker 2: if anybody's caught fire and created some separation.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: But if the Giants are really trying to get the
Speaker 2: last wildcard spot with a seventy eight win season, that
Speaker 2: doesn't feel like a team that's winning the World Series,
Speaker 2: that doesn't feel like a team that's getting past the
Speaker 2: wildcard round. They might get swept in two games in
Speaker 2: the wildcard round. So if they don't really they have
Speaker 2: the talent to do anything, would they really be that
Speaker 2: hesitant to trade lamont Wade. It's like the Mariners, for example,
Speaker 2: right we know why the Mariners traded policy walled last year.
Speaker 2: Some people understood it, most people understood it. There were
Speaker 2: still people that were unhappy with it out there in
Speaker 2: the Mariners world. But despite being a contending team. The
Speaker 2: Mariner still made that trade. So could the Giants be
Speaker 2: that sort of team this year? We're sure they're contending
Speaker 2: by definition, but they still go out and trade away
Speaker 2: some established players.
Speaker 1: Nothing's impossible really if.
Speaker 2: They're yeah, if they're gonna win seventy eight games, I
Speaker 2: don't see why they're so inclined to hold on a
Speaker 2: Lamont Wade.
Speaker 1: Here's a question I have. I am wondering what his
Speaker 1: value will be two months from now, because let's give
Speaker 1: some context. Right now, he's hurt. He'll probably be out
Speaker 1: the rest of this month. Right I forget exactly what
Speaker 1: he hurt, but it was a four week minimum injury
Speaker 1: the last week of May, so that puts him back
Speaker 1: on the Giants roster and a June. Also, he's been
Speaker 1: a little lucky this year. Not gonna lie. It helps
Speaker 1: that he walks twenty percent of the time. It shrinks
Speaker 1: the sample size, But his babib is over four sixty.
Speaker 1: It's a little high, it's a little a little. It
Speaker 1: just tells you that there could be there's there's some
Speaker 1: regression in this profile.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: Still doesn't mean he's not hitting the ball at the
Speaker 1: best quality possible, which he is baseball savant, says so,
Speaker 1: but I will see it doesn't because he's hitting like
Speaker 1: Barry Bonds a little bit this year does not mean
Speaker 1: he's going to keep it up when the team pays
Speaker 1: the price of what he's currently hitting and what he
Speaker 1: actually does when he arrives on his new team if
Speaker 1: he gets traded, so.
Speaker 2: He has a Grade two left hamstring strain for those
Speaker 2: that are interested him out a couple weeks, like you said, Yeah, Also,
Speaker 2: the twenty percent walk rate is crazy. Twenty percent, that's like,
Speaker 2: that's nuts. Now, that probably won't sustain. The Babbitt probably
Speaker 2: won't sustain. And there are questions of say Lamont Wade's
Speaker 2: the secondary bat you acquire, right, this will be the
Speaker 2: best secondary bat you could probably acquire.
Speaker 1: That would be a pretty insane secondary bat.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 1: I will note this is the one guy and I
Speaker 1: mentioned at the beginning, there's one guy who you could
Speaker 1: argue would be a number one bat, and it would
Speaker 1: be Lamont Waite.
Speaker 2: Okay, then if he's the only bat you acquire, if
Speaker 2: he's the headline bat you acquire, that makes this a
Speaker 2: little different. But I was gonna say, if you acquire
Speaker 2: Lamont Wade, and Brent Rooker. If you acquire Lamont Wade
Speaker 2: and Vladdie, that does make some things tough to assemble
Speaker 2: with the roster. You'd probably move on from Hanneger one
Speaker 2: way or another if you trade for an outfield bat.
Speaker 2: But then if you trade for again, if you essentially
Speaker 2: flip out, let's say Wade for Hanneger, then you've got
Speaker 2: a lot left handed bats all of a sudden. And
Speaker 2: if you were to acquire someone like Laddie, how does
Speaker 2: that work with Vladdie, Wade, Tie and Garver. So, yeah,
Speaker 2: you're right, if they were going to acquire Lamont Wade,
Speaker 2: this might be Lamont Wade might be the guy they
Speaker 2: acquire if they strike out on all the real A
Speaker 2: level bats but still want some impact at the deadline,
Speaker 2: and they settle for him because then you can manage it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so then it would be Tye, Garver and Wade.
Speaker 1: You would have to find time for it. And he's
Speaker 1: played in the outfield a little bit, so I think
Speaker 1: it's mostly been first base this year. But it doesn't
Speaker 1: mean he can't play in the outfield. You wouldn't wouldn't
Speaker 1: be great in the outfield, but could he be there?
Speaker 2: And you could get him some dhdas too, by putting
Speaker 2: Garver at the backup catcher spot or giving Garbar a
Speaker 2: day off. Yeah, you could make that work by just
Speaker 2: acquiring lamont Wade. But if you have Wade and you
Speaker 2: try to acquire another A level bat, I mean, make
Speaker 2: the team great. That would be awesome because you would
Speaker 2: get two really good bats. How the Mariners would manage
Speaker 2: that roster wise, I don't know, And and for that
Speaker 2: reason I don't. I don't know if they'd give up
Speaker 2: the prospect package that it would cost for each of
Speaker 2: those guys at once.
Speaker 1: It would cost. I think it would cost a lot
Speaker 1: to get lamont Wade out of San Francisco. I think
Speaker 1: it wouldn't cost what you would pay for Flattie. But
Speaker 1: based on where his stock is right now, yeah, I
Speaker 1: think so. All right, So I don't just to think
Speaker 1: of it like so, I don't know in the end,
Speaker 1: if you're trading for him again, I think you're right.
Speaker 1: So Garver would slide to the backup catchurle. I think
Speaker 1: lamont Wade would DH.
Speaker 2: We could some good time and get some additional Yeah,
Speaker 2: I get some additional days at first in the outfield,
Speaker 2: and you have to have them there, but probably he
Speaker 2: would mostly be dhing against right handed pitching.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Right, So it's just if you talk yourself into potentially
Speaker 1: sending a blue chip prospect to San Francisco for Lamont
Speaker 1: Wade because here's like this, you know, or not even
Speaker 1: all the eightier guys that we talked about are hitting
Speaker 1: like this.
Speaker 2: It's true, but you you still feel like he would
Speaker 2: cost a blue chip prospect.
Speaker 1: I don't know the Giant Again, Giants have leverage since
Speaker 1: he's not he's under contract next year.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, they do.
Speaker 2: I just was under the thought that it would cost
Speaker 2: somebody a little further down your pipeline.
Speaker 3: Again.
Speaker 2: Maybe I was even thinking again, somebody a little lower,
Speaker 2: like maybe like the Arroyo range, like past that first
Speaker 2: real wave of guys.
Speaker 1: It's interesting, you know, I'm honestly not sure. Like the number,
Speaker 1: I would say, the numbers in perception are very different.
Speaker 3: Yeah they are.
Speaker 2: And again, I don't know what the rest of the
Speaker 2: league values Lamont weigh at. Do Jerry and Justin want
Speaker 2: to trade for a platoon left handed bat. I don't
Speaker 2: know either. He he's complicated. I would be very, very interested.
Speaker 2: I'd be happy if they acquired him, but he is
Speaker 2: a complicated trade piece.
Speaker 1: Yeah, certainly I agree on that. So now that we've
Speaker 1: gotten to the end of this list, is there one
Speaker 1: guy if you were to circle back, that would be
Speaker 1: your number one?
Speaker 3: Are we excluding Wade out of this since he's a
Speaker 3: little different.
Speaker 1: I think yeah. I think Lamont Wade's a pretty obvious
Speaker 1: number one. Besides that, I'd probably say Danny Jansen.
Speaker 2: I was thinking about ken Porto, I was thinking about Randy,
Speaker 2: but it makes the most sense for not having to
Speaker 2: give up much at all in a trade, and the
Speaker 2: fact you get cal off his feet, and the fact
Speaker 2: you're not relying on Garber to catch, and it's a
Speaker 2: real bat with room to go. Get an a level
Speaker 2: bat because acquiring Danny Jansen should not be your headline bat.
Speaker 2: That is very much a move that you can make
Speaker 2: to augment the roster, but to really level it up,
Speaker 2: you go get another bat that's better than Jansen.
Speaker 1: I agree one percent agree. So Danny Jansen, pack your bags,
Speaker 1: You're coming to Seattle. Thank you very much, super quick.
Speaker 1: Just call to action to all of you listening.
Speaker 2: All I was gonna say is if there is anybody
Speaker 2: we left off, tell us who who is somebody under
Speaker 2: the radar you would like to see the Mariners trade for,
Speaker 2: Or who's somebody we didn't mention that you think should
Speaker 2: be on this list. Tell us now leave the A
Speaker 2: level guys off the list, because again, if you want
Speaker 2: to hear about the A level trade guys, go back
Speaker 2: two weeks ago and listen to that podcast episode. But
Speaker 2: under the radar guys, let us know, like, for example,
Speaker 2: we didn't talk about Yondi Diaz. We didn't talk about
Speaker 2: Brian de la Cruz from the Marlins. That's a name
Speaker 2: that's been floated out there a little bit. You've got
Speaker 2: some names that you have in mind that we didn't
Speaker 2: talk about. Tell us maybe they'll be on the next episode.
Speaker 1: Let's go down on the farm. All right lyle who's
Speaker 1: your standout Mariners minor leaguer?
Speaker 2: So we talked about Logan Evans at the start of
Speaker 2: the show, right and how he's transitioning to the bullpen.
Speaker 2: Mariners need some bullpen help. Here's another guy that isn't
Speaker 2: being talked about a lot right now that could absolutely
Speaker 2: help this bullpen post All Star break. His name's Troy Taylor.
Speaker 2: He's in Double A Arkansas right now. Right handed pitcher,
Speaker 2: has a fastball in the mid to upper nineties and
Speaker 2: also has a good slider. Two pitch guy twenty two
Speaker 2: years old, so young, but he is a reliever. Here's
Speaker 2: what he's done this year because he started in Everett,
Speaker 2: then he got promoted up for the year. Troy Taylor
Speaker 2: has an nine er. He's had eight outings in double
Speaker 2: A so far, has not given up a run, He's
Speaker 2: given up just two hits, and he has an eight
Speaker 2: five whip for the season. So allow me to say
Speaker 2: this again. Could the Mariners go acquire a bullpen arm?
Speaker 2: Absolutely is Logan. Evan's gonna be up on the roster,
Speaker 2: Sure seems like it now. But if you want another
Speaker 2: bullpen arm that could really provide some reinforcements to this
Speaker 2: bullpen in the second half for a team that's probably
Speaker 2: gonna need it, I would circle Troy Taylor. I would
Speaker 2: keep that eye on him because he is dominated in
Speaker 2: ever it. He's dominating right now in Arkansas. And when
Speaker 2: once you're an Arkansas especially as a reliever, you're one
Speaker 2: call away from the big leagues. There's no reason Troy
Speaker 2: Taylor can't be on this roster this year.
Speaker 1: The Mariners can monitor the trade market and look at
Speaker 1: what the price of a reliever is. But they have
Speaker 1: now too. It seems like more obvious options in house
Speaker 1: what they what they would promote. I don't know if
Speaker 1: Troy Taylor's next to come up, but hearing the way
Speaker 1: they talk about him, it seems likely that him and
Speaker 1: Logan will see some time in the pen this year.
Speaker 1: And I know Carlos Fargas last time we checked on
Speaker 1: him and Triple A is was not doing great. But
Speaker 1: I know entering the season the Mariners that thought highly
Speaker 1: of him. So like, there are still options within the system,
Speaker 1: and Troy's certainly one of them, and he is earning
Speaker 1: the respect that he's getting. It will be easier for
Speaker 1: the Mariners to call up somebody from the minor leagues
Speaker 1: to fill a bullpen spot than potentially overpay for a
Speaker 1: bullpen arm. I don't consistently say, like, I don't see
Speaker 1: Jerry overpaying for a bullpen arm. So if he wants
Speaker 1: the higher upside guy, it probably is in house, So
Speaker 1: it's gonna be Logan or Troy.
Speaker 2: Ultimately, yeah, I cannot see Jerry and Justin giving up
Speaker 2: one of their upper echelon prospects. For Ryan Helsley. That
Speaker 2: just doesn't seem like a Jerry Depoto type move.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Ryan Helsley would be fun, but yeah, very much.
Speaker 2: Could you see them giving up to somebody within their
Speaker 2: top five to six prospects for him?
Speaker 1: I couldn't, No, and I'm gonna explain why because my
Speaker 1: on the farm Mariner's number five prospect, who I can't
Speaker 1: believe we haven't talked about yet. Felnine Celeston. It is
Speaker 1: casually having an over nine hundred ops in his first
Speaker 1: twenty two pro games in the Complex League as an
Speaker 1: eighteen year old, no big deal, switch hitting shortstop, just
Speaker 1: crushing the ball, controlling the strike sown thirteen walks, seventeen strikeouts. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's gonna be inhim Deesto soon. Just count it down.
Speaker 1: It's happening, dude.
Speaker 2: Again, I'm not gonna put comps on anybody because it's
Speaker 2: not fair, but I will say it in this way,
Speaker 2: just like how I said a couple of weeks ago
Speaker 2: with lads, the way he's hit in Modesto has looked
Speaker 2: like Jordon Alvarez, even though I'm not saying he's going
Speaker 2: to be Jordan in the big leagues. The way fell
Speaker 2: means playing in the complex league right now. He looks
Speaker 2: like Francisco Lindor, like switch hitter, shortstop power speed. He's nuts.
Speaker 1: He's a guy that would make you feel more comfortable
Speaker 1: trading one of your other shortstop prospects knowing that guy's
Speaker 1: in your system and knowing that you feel more comfortable
Speaker 1: that he's untouchable, you would be more comfortable trading someone else. Yep,
Speaker 1: which is crazy to think about all these all of these,
Speaker 1: all these shortstops in the systems. The last point here,
Speaker 1: that's kind of funny. You and I were talking about
Speaker 1: the Hanneger trade earlier today. It's like, man, wonder what
Speaker 1: Robbie Ray's doing. Well, fil Nean had a hit off
Speaker 1: of Robbie Ray earlier this week, So that's what Robbie
Speaker 1: Ray's doing right now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, says a lot about Bell nine.
Speaker 2: Let's do this one little fun exercise too before we
Speaker 2: move on, because we were talking about this, who do
Speaker 2: you think the Mariners would be least likely or least
Speaker 2: willing to part ways within a trade? The three guys,
Speaker 2: I said, like, throw out what the third party prospect
Speaker 2: systems have all that?
Speaker 3: I mean, go from your gut, what do you think.
Speaker 2: My guess is the three guys they are least willing
Speaker 2: to part with are Colt, Emerson, fel Mean, and Laz.
Speaker 2: I would say those three guys are the guys they
Speaker 2: want the most.
Speaker 1: That would be my three. Let'd say I think the
Speaker 1: top two might be a little more solidified than top three,
Speaker 1: But the top two is Cult and felnine. I like
Speaker 1: both those guys when they get in the swing of things,
Speaker 1: are cult. This week's now top fifteen prospect, filnin in
Speaker 1: a year will be a top fifteen prospect, So that's it.
Speaker 1: Laz has the issue that he's not really he's not
Speaker 1: up the middle guy and eventually we'll probably land at DH.
Speaker 1: But the other two, yeah, are pretty solid. And then
Speaker 1: I think Johnny's the one after that sure for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I was gonna say that that is the
Speaker 2: thing with Laz is obviously he has to hit to
Speaker 2: have value, since he's probably not gonna play the field
Speaker 2: a whole ton in his career. Maybe he'll play first
Speaker 2: base at some point, we'll see. Maybe maybe he learns
Speaker 2: first base and can do that. But just in the
Speaker 2: sense of throwing lads in there, in the sense of
Speaker 2: if he hits and and if he projects how people
Speaker 2: are projecting him and plays like it again, that's that
Speaker 2: has the chance to be a lethal that which is
Speaker 2: why I feel like they probably.
Speaker 3: Want to keep him close.
Speaker 1: Isn't it funny how we didn't even mention two other
Speaker 1: top thirty prospects, Cole Young and Harry Ford, who are
Speaker 1: at the highest levels of the Miners right now. But
Speaker 1: the reason we didn't mention them is because whenever you
Speaker 1: and I are bringing up these trade targets, and it's like,
Speaker 1: all right, put together a package and usually and include
Speaker 1: one of those two guys. So right, not exactly untradeable unfortunately,
Speaker 1: m h.
Speaker 2: Even though yeah, though, like that's just what happens in baseball.
Speaker 2: Sometimes guys get traded. We don't know if they're going
Speaker 2: to get traded. But if you're just asking what TJ
Speaker 2: and I's guesses are for who the Mariners are most
Speaker 2: likely to hold on.
Speaker 3: To, I would guess it's it's those guys. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So, with that Russell Wilson umpire of the week time,
Speaker 2: we have some requests from the fans, from the listeners.
Speaker 2: We got some messages on Twitter this week saying, oh,
Speaker 2: the Russell Wilson ump of the Week's gonna go hard
Speaker 2: this week because we have a special shout out to
Speaker 2: Hunter Wendelstat who has been on this program before, has
Speaker 2: been on this segment before, but after his horrendous start
Speaker 2: the other night in the first inning between the Mariners
Speaker 2: and A's and in a game in which he looked
Speaker 2: like he was essentially guessing what were balls and strikes,
Speaker 2: paired with people on Twitter saying, oh, this guy has
Speaker 2: to be the winner this week. Fans spoke, we listened,
Speaker 2: He's our winner. Congratulations Hunter Wendell's.
Speaker 1: That and overall for the game, actually a solid performance,
Speaker 1: but because of that first inning, and I think there's
Speaker 1: a little bit of carryover effect from what he did
Speaker 1: to Aaron Boone that he just had to have another appearance.
Speaker 1: I think it just made it easier. Once you embarrass
Speaker 1: yourself like you did when you tossed Aaron Boone out
Speaker 1: of a game for something. A fan said, that makes
Speaker 1: your bar for appearing on this award a whole lot lower.
Speaker 3: Mm hmmm, yes, it does. So.
Speaker 2: Sure there was probably some carryover, but again, paired with
Speaker 2: fans speaking and us being a podcast of the people,
Speaker 2: men of the people, we listened, Hunter Wendell's that's our
Speaker 2: winner and guess what you deserve it? Like again, he
Speaker 2: really did look like he was guessing half the time
Speaker 2: with calling balls and strikes the other night.
Speaker 1: It was not consistent.
Speaker 2: No, I do want to give a shout out though
Speaker 2: to I want to make sure I get the umpire's
Speaker 2: name right here on on Thursday for Thursday's game because
Speaker 2: this thing that happened with Brian Wu when there was
Speaker 2: uh a pitchclock violation called on him, when the homeplate
Speaker 2: umpire literally had his back turned to Wu.
Speaker 3: That was crazy. Did you pick up on that today? Yeah?
Speaker 3: I did, Oh my god.
Speaker 2: So let's make sure we get the umpire's name right
Speaker 2: because same series, it's Wendel Stat's crew. But it was
Speaker 2: Nick Marley today and Wu was pissed about it. You
Speaker 2: saw him like barking at the umpire for a good reason.
Speaker 2: He has back turned to Wu and says pitchclock violation
Speaker 2: when he didn't even have his eyes set on the picture.
Speaker 3: So shout out to you, Nick Marley.
Speaker 1: I'm sure there'll be plenty of accountability for that, that
Speaker 1: harmless mistake.
Speaker 3: There always is there always is, isn't there.
Speaker 1: Let's close out the show. Now, let's speak your mind.
Speaker 1: Speak your mind spot That would be unwise.
Speaker 3: What is necessary is never unwise.
Speaker 1: What is on your mind this week?
Speaker 3: Lyle.
Speaker 2: We talked about it for a minute before we started recording.
Speaker 2: But the NBA Finals reminds me of two things. Number One,
Speaker 2: despite us obviously wanting the Sonics back.
Speaker 3: I just I don't get juiced up for the NBA.
Speaker 2: Finals, To be honest, I watch, but I just feel
Speaker 2: like it's so watered down from how it used to be.
Speaker 2: I it just it's it's just again. For whatever reason,
Speaker 2: I don't get as excited anymore. And I got excited
Speaker 2: in years where the Sonics weren't here anymore too for
Speaker 2: a long time. It's just recent years not as much
Speaker 2: paired with Boston sports fans, or as we like to
Speaker 2: call them, massholes, remind us that they continue to just
Speaker 2: be the most insufferable fans in sports.
Speaker 1: No, yeah, I mean shit, a tear When a Boston
Speaker 1: sports team does not make a finals in any one
Speaker 1: of the four major sports in a given year. Oh
Speaker 1: so difficult, Yeah, so difficult. Welcome to reality, except there
Speaker 1: is no reality because the Celtics are in the finals
Speaker 1: right now. So and just a casual. You know, thirty
Speaker 1: pointed day won. I think Game one, they were up
Speaker 1: thirty in the first half when we hit record here.
Speaker 3: So just.
Speaker 1: A story of trial and hardship and adversity and all
Speaker 1: this stuff. Man.
Speaker 2: So my dad gave me a hard time about this
Speaker 2: back when we had Jared Carabas on, And the next
Speaker 2: time we have him on, I mean, he did say
Speaker 2: he's down to come back on, So I'm sure at
Speaker 2: some point we'll have him back on. I need to
Speaker 2: be better about calling him out for something if we
Speaker 2: hear something that's a little questionable, because well, my dad
Speaker 2: said we should have given him a hard time about
Speaker 2: and we didn't. Was when Carabas was sitting on this
Speaker 2: very program and talking about how, you know, being a
Speaker 2: Red Sox fan these days socks and it's and you
Speaker 2: know they just lose. Well, this fills this plays right
Speaker 2: into the topic we're talking about here, which like a
Speaker 2: Boston sports fans complaining that they've seen four championships in
Speaker 2: their lifetime and now for a couple of years it's
Speaker 2: been hard. Like the next time Gravi is on, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna circle back with this and I'm gonna say, like you.
Speaker 3: Know you're on a Mariners podcast, right, Like, so.
Speaker 1: You're talking about only four championships in your lifetime a
Speaker 1: couple losing to Yeah, how about five trips to the
Speaker 1: playoffs period?
Speaker 2: Ever, ever, so we love Caravas. This is this is nothing,
Speaker 2: This is no, this is this has nothing to do
Speaker 2: with Carabas. He's a friend of the pod. We loved
Speaker 2: having him on. He might be my favorite guest we've
Speaker 2: ever had on and we want to have him on
Speaker 2: a bunch more in the future. But I'm sure he'll
Speaker 2: take it well too, because he he he tosses out
Speaker 2: shit on a daily basis.
Speaker 3: So this all.
Speaker 2: Plays in the next time he's on one, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: remind him and number two Boston sports fans, especially if
Speaker 2: you're on social media seeing him watch these finals.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, it's it's terrible.
Speaker 1: I'm still like to watch the NBA Finals again, like
Speaker 1: a I'm gonna have to probably live in a more
Speaker 1: populated area with you know, like go out to a
Speaker 1: sports bar or something like. I don't know if at home,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna flip on the NBA Finals, Like the Sonics
Speaker 1: when they come back, will have to be playing in
Speaker 1: it for me. To like really care. I will. It's
Speaker 1: either that or I will have had to because the
Speaker 1: Sonics are gotten a lot more invest reinvested back in
Speaker 1: the NBA because right now, again, like, storylines are cool,
Speaker 1: but you and I both know the Celtics are like
Speaker 1: way better than the Mavericks and it showed in Game one, right,
Speaker 1: so yeah, like what what what's the mystery and the
Speaker 1: intrigue of this series?
Speaker 2: Look, I'm gonna watch, but it doesn't mean I like
Speaker 2: I watch every year. It doesn't mean I'm absolutely juiced
Speaker 2: up about it. I am a sports fan. When there's
Speaker 2: big events on I watch and and like again, I've watched,
Speaker 2: I've watched an okay'm out of the NBA playoffs this
Speaker 2: year and most years I do. But it doesn't mean
Speaker 2: I'm I'm like absolutely fired up the way I would
Speaker 2: be to watch the college football playoffs, the NFL Playoffs,
Speaker 2: the World Series obviously things like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I'm like different than you, like I have
Speaker 1: no I can count on one hand how many NBA
Speaker 1: games have watched this year. Like I'll pay attention headlines,
Speaker 1: but especially with this, I don't have time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I don't watch in the regular season but
Speaker 2: I'll watch in the playoffs.
Speaker 1: WWE on Hardwood, scripted all coming from the top.
Speaker 3: Oh, it's scripted.
Speaker 2: The best the best headlines in the NBA are the
Speaker 2: ones that happen off the court, because off the court,
Speaker 2: there's more drama than a soap opera.
Speaker 1: Which is why people are so entertained with this finals.
Speaker 1: It has nothing to do with on the court. It
Speaker 1: is literally Kyrie versus the city of Boston.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, that's what I mean. It's stuff like that
Speaker 2: that draws, which baseball could use a lot more of.
Speaker 2: To be honest, I've thought about that if there was
Speaker 2: more beef and come on, if there was beef and baseball,
Speaker 2: you don't think that would dram more eyeballs?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was being sarcast Oh.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, sorry, yes, yes.
Speaker 1: Well Tim Anderson was good, then he could beef with
Speaker 1: the city of Cleveland. But like even like yeah, like
Speaker 1: that's the example, Like what are the villains? Tommy fam
Speaker 1: is a villain in baseball right now? Like who gives
Speaker 1: a fuck about Tommy Fam?
Speaker 3: Well, don't say that, or he's gonna get ready to
Speaker 3: fight you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what does he trained in multiple multiple fighting styles
Speaker 1: in the off season.
Speaker 2: Just in case that could have been a speaker mind
Speaker 2: this week, as Tommy FAM's saying that he's gonna beat
Speaker 2: somebody up if they start anything with them.
Speaker 1: Did you notice how when he slid in, he actually
Speaker 1: walked away from the confrontation. No one was holding it back.
Speaker 1: He could have swung on someone.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I'm almost feeling while like that was
Speaker 1: just talk and not actually backing it up. Yeah, people
Speaker 1: always like to say how tough they are, but like remember,
Speaker 1: like he could have walked up and punched William Cantrure's
Speaker 1: in the face if you wanted to.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we need we need show Hay or Bryce Harper
Speaker 2: to come out with some quotes in the playoffs saying
Speaker 2: whatever team they're gonna go up against is a bunch
Speaker 2: of losers or something like that.
Speaker 1: M Well, show Hey did get his publicity this year,
Speaker 1: but not in the fighting sense.
Speaker 3: And not because he wanted it.
Speaker 2: He like again show Hate coming out and saying and
Speaker 2: talking trash about another team, that's real drama. Like Show
Speaker 2: Hate did not ask for his interpreter to place all
Speaker 2: these bets.
Speaker 1: No, at least Epay knows now that he's not the
Speaker 1: worst baseball better in the world. That's true, because that
Speaker 1: title will go to the guy that just got banned
Speaker 1: for life on the padres What what what percent of
Speaker 1: it the bets did he win?
Speaker 3: Low? Yeah, something like that.
Speaker 1: That's insane.
Speaker 3: Yeah, crazy?
Speaker 1: How that should not be possible?
Speaker 3: No, no, it should not. Wow.
Speaker 1: Do you know what's even more improbable?
Speaker 3: Though?
Speaker 1: My speak your mind? Do you know where a cricket country?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 1: Do you know that? Apparently great at a lot of
Speaker 1: things here in America sports wise, especially, we have our football.
Speaker 1: We're the best at that. Were the best at football,
Speaker 1: were the best at basketball. Sometimes we're the best at hockey. Well.
Speaker 1: The fact that the US the Canada hasn't had a
Speaker 1: Stanley Cup since ninety one, Yeah, it's who were the
Speaker 1: best at hockey as well?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 1: While the US beat a cricket powerhouse in the Men's
Speaker 1: World Cup Pakistan today, one of the biggest upsets in
Speaker 1: sports history. US say, US say?
Speaker 3: US say?
Speaker 2: Is this a bigger upset than when Howard beat UNLV
Speaker 2: and college football as forty five point underdog?
Speaker 3: Do you remember that?
Speaker 1: I do?
Speaker 3: Is this bigger.
Speaker 1: In the sense of the world stage? Yeah, I don't know,
Speaker 1: in terms of like a Vegas moneyline bat I think
Speaker 1: it was only like plus six hundred. But you know,
Speaker 1: like Pakistan, India, Australia, like those are powerhouse cricket countries
Speaker 1: powerhouse like cricket. By the way, as most people know
Speaker 1: is the is the biggest sport in the world or sorry,
Speaker 1: second biggest. I think behind soccer or football, whatever you
Speaker 1: want to say. Football second biggest sport in the world.
Speaker 1: It draws enormous ratings. I think it's this. I think
Speaker 1: it even out draws the Super Bowl and American football,
Speaker 1: Like that's how big it is. And as you know,
Speaker 1: on the state of American sports, like cricket's not very high.
Speaker 1: But the fact the US beat one of the powerhouses,
Speaker 1: I mean that's like, gee, it's like the US men's
Speaker 1: national team losing to Trinidad and Tobago. Oh wait, sorry,
Speaker 1: wrong sport. That's like I want to make a joke
Speaker 1: about the Olympic the team USA basketball team who probably
Speaker 1: has has lost to some small countries recently, but I
Speaker 1: can't name those off the top of my head outside
Speaker 1: of the men's soccer one. Regardless, you get the point.
Speaker 1: Pretty historic upset today, So.
Speaker 2: Yeah, shout out cricket That's all I've got because I
Speaker 2: didn't watch it, I don't know much about it, but
Speaker 2: shout out cricket.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you know that Joe that was floating around
Speaker 1: this week on the Internet where it was like showing
Speaker 1: some cricket highlights and it's like an America, like the
Speaker 1: American brain cannot comprehend this, and I forget what they
Speaker 1: someone responded with. I think it was it like a
Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson one handed catch or something like the European
Speaker 1: mind or the Australian mind can't commrahend this, something funny
Speaker 1: like that. And then this happens, so obviously we can
Speaker 1: comprehend it because we're the best.
Speaker 2: Apparently, shout out USA Cricket. That's all I've got. Like
Speaker 2: I said, like, that's about all I can contribute to
Speaker 2: this one.
Speaker 1: One of the Team USA's top players is his full
Speaker 1: time job. He's like a principal engineer at Oracle, like
Speaker 1: a software company. Like software employees beat Team Pakistan.
Speaker 2: It's like how they say Babe Ruth used to dominate
Speaker 2: against Milkman in baseball who had off season jobs. But
Speaker 2: oh wait, he's actually Babe Ruth's not real, so no
Speaker 2: he didn't right exactly. So yeah, all right, that just
Speaker 2: about wraps up this edition of the Marine Layer Podcast.
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Speaker 3: That's TJ. I'm Lyle. As always, we thank you guys
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