WEBVTT - Episode 135: Evaluating Second-Tier Trade Targets

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to episode number one thirty five of the Marine

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<v Speaker 1>Layer Podcast. Lyle and I have some more Mariners trade

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<v Speaker 1>targets to break down. We'll go down on the farm

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<v Speaker 1>and pick out a standout Mariners meer leaguer. We have

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<v Speaker 1>a Russell Wilson umpire of the week, and we'll close

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<v Speaker 1>out the show with Speak your Mind.

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<v Speaker 1>episode of the Marine Layer Podcast, part of the Just

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<v Speaker 1>Baseball Podcast Network, recording Thursday evening, June sixth and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>here to report Lyle after a Mariner's series victory in Oakland.

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<v Speaker 1>Abraham Toro for the series two for twelve struck out

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of times today. Brian Wu through one of

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<v Speaker 1>the nastiest two seemers in on Abe today and it

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<v Speaker 1>looked like it broke his soul.

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<v Speaker 2>Is the fact that he's on pace to be a

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<v Speaker 2>three war player breaking your soul.

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<v Speaker 1>A little bit?

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<v Speaker 3>Three wins three?

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<v Speaker 1>He is? He so just full transparency. He's not in

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<v Speaker 1>this list of trade targets Low and I have today.

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<v Speaker 1>But as I mentioned before we started recording, unfortunately, he's

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<v Speaker 1>probably gonna be on the next one.

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<v Speaker 3>I wonder whose fault it is that he's not on

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<v Speaker 3>the list.

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<v Speaker 1>That Hey, I listen, I was digging around and picking

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<v Speaker 1>out I thought I picked we have some good names

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<v Speaker 1>picked out today. But Abe, promise you, buddy, you're going

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<v Speaker 1>on the next one. God, what a conflicted episode. That's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be.

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<v Speaker 2>Conflicted conflicted episode. Imagine if he actually gets traded back here.

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<v Speaker 2>I know you've talked about that before. That's gonna be

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<v Speaker 2>one of the best podcast episodes we've ever had.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I just don't know what I'm gonna do. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know what I'm gonna do. There's gonna need to

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<v Speaker 1>be a bit, but I'm not sure it is. We've

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<v Speaker 1>we have run the bit this week. Apparently I voted

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<v Speaker 1>him for the All Star Game and no one else.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's just what I'm told online.

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<v Speaker 2>Well that's what sources are saying. If you was tweeted

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<v Speaker 2>out on our account saying hey it's TJ, it must

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<v Speaker 2>have been you.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you put my email account in there too? So

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<v Speaker 1>it reminded me that I voted.

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<v Speaker 3>Hmmm, not that, not that I know of. Huh, So

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<v Speaker 3>you didn't get the remissed out?

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<v Speaker 1>You should should have done that. Then I would have

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<v Speaker 1>gotten the notification before you tweeted it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, TJ wants Ave in the All Star Game, haven't

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<v Speaker 2>you heard?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh he's a story that would be tell twenty twenty one, TJ.

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<v Speaker 1>Matthewson Abraham Toro is an All Star for the Oakland

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<v Speaker 1>A's and twenty twenty fours in there thing?

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<v Speaker 2>Really huh No, I do not think your response would

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<v Speaker 2>be really question mark. I think you would go full

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<v Speaker 2>Frank the tank.

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<v Speaker 1>No, he's not.

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<v Speaker 2>No, you would just go full Frank the tank the

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<v Speaker 2>minute you see that he has made the roster.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, he's gonna have to beat Mason Miller out for

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<v Speaker 1>that one. A spot, so I'm liking my chances.

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<v Speaker 3>Well there might be two with Brent Rooker.

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<v Speaker 1>Well yeah, there might maybe maybe the Oakland A's with

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<v Speaker 1>two bad Oakland A's with two.

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<v Speaker 3>See.

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<v Speaker 2>I would like to throw this out there before we

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<v Speaker 2>dive into some of the trade targets. So TJ and

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<v Speaker 2>I were texting about this a little bit this afternoon

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<v Speaker 2>recording Thursday, after Brian Wu had a six inning shutout

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<v Speaker 2>start against the A's.

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<v Speaker 3>Dodra is now one oh seven on the year.

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<v Speaker 2>What a stud First off, but I want to propose

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<v Speaker 2>this question everybody listening, everybody watch on YouTube. TJ and

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<v Speaker 2>I have differing opinions on this, and we want yours.

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<v Speaker 2>So how do you do that? You guys know by

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<v Speaker 2>now drop a comment on YouTube if you're watching, send

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<v Speaker 2>us a DM whatever you want. If Brian Wu keeps

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<v Speaker 2>this up, is he going to be an All Star?

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<v Speaker 2>And my answer, shockingly is the optimist on this podcast

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<v Speaker 2>is yes.

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<v Speaker 1>So here's my thing about this. It's not that he

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't deserve to be an All Star, because, like you say,

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<v Speaker 1>if he keeps out the pace, then he'd probably have

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<v Speaker 1>a sub one era and well ten, it'd be ten eleven,

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<v Speaker 1>starts a month from now, so that's what it would be.

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<v Speaker 3>Like.

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<v Speaker 1>That is an All Star caliber first half, and he'd

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<v Speaker 1>probably get one, two, maybe more before the All Star

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<v Speaker 1>Game actually happens. So first thing is so currently right now,

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<v Speaker 1>Unfortunately for him, he's outside the top forty in American

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<v Speaker 1>League starting pitcher war. That's a I'd say a tough

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<v Speaker 1>sell for a manager building a roster of pitchers don't

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<v Speaker 1>all look at war, but you know, managers do like innings,

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<v Speaker 1>and the more innings you pitch, the more war you

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<v Speaker 1>usually gardner if you're pitching well, I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>he'll have the work the innings workload to get there.

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<v Speaker 1>And secondly, I don't know if the Mariners would want

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<v Speaker 1>him pitching more innings in the All Star Game. They

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<v Speaker 1>already have been very, very careful. They were careful with

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<v Speaker 1>him again today on Thursday, and watching his pitch load,

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<v Speaker 1>he could have an All Star caliber first half on

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<v Speaker 1>the bump, but still not make it. I think That's

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<v Speaker 1>where I'm at right now. What he's doing right now

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<v Speaker 1>is pretty unbelievable. I'm gonna be honest, it's not it.

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<v Speaker 1>He has changed his pitch mix a little bit, but

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<v Speaker 1>it hasn't been a drastic change. He's at his core,

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<v Speaker 1>been the same person he always is, which is a

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<v Speaker 1>fastball heavy, get a lot of ground balls, not gonna

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<v Speaker 1>rack up a ton of strikeouts, but I'll get them

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<v Speaker 1>in key spots and overall, just not allow hard contact

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<v Speaker 1>at all. And he's in with all these fastballs and

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<v Speaker 1>it works, and it's still worked in a small six

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<v Speaker 1>game sample here to start this season, it's been pretty remarkable.

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<v Speaker 1>He has exceeded my expectations. He still has things to

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<v Speaker 1>do and to work on. I think I've pointed to

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<v Speaker 1>you he's still very He's still yet to really get

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<v Speaker 1>through a third time in the lineup at all in

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<v Speaker 1>his career, like get through multiple like multiple batters, third

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<v Speaker 1>time through the lineup. I think he did that today,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was just a couple right. What that next

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<v Speaker 1>step for him of getting him forward, and that's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>come with a larger workload, which we haven't seen yet.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's all well and good. But I'm saying he's

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<v Speaker 2>an All star. If he keeps us up for another month,

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<v Speaker 2>he might.

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<v Speaker 1>Not have the anything is going to be an all

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<v Speaker 1>star or he deserves to be an All Star.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, I think he's got an actual chance to

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<v Speaker 2>be if he keeps us up for another month, how

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<v Speaker 2>how can you be a voter? How can you be

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<v Speaker 2>a manager? If you keep this up for another month?

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<v Speaker 2>You're sitting there with an er and the ones and say, nope,

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<v Speaker 2>not an All Star. I'm sorry, But like I think,

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<v Speaker 2>if he keeps this up, he's getting in.

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<v Speaker 1>And now so he is for sure, you're.

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<v Speaker 2>Saying, I think so if he keeps this kind of

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<v Speaker 2>pace up. Now here's where I agree with you. The

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<v Speaker 2>Mariners not wanting him to pitch in the All Star

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<v Speaker 2>Game and add more innings, even if it's one inning,

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<v Speaker 2>he is a warranted take. I think with that logic,

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<v Speaker 2>the Mariners may opt to not have him pitch in

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<v Speaker 2>the All Star Game, but that does not mean he

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't get to fly to Dallas, walk the red carpet

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<v Speaker 2>dress for the game, be in the dugout, do the

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<v Speaker 2>media sessions, and all in all have a star next

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<v Speaker 2>to his Baseball reference page that says All Star twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty four. No, I think he keeps this up. I

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<v Speaker 2>know he missed the first month. I think he's getting in.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know how you ignore a guy that could

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<v Speaker 2>have like a one to two era or something and

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<v Speaker 2>say no, no, he's not an All Star.

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<v Speaker 1>This sounds like something will check in on in the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the month, so I think we'll have a

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<v Speaker 1>better idea. Can change if he has a blow up

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<v Speaker 1>start you know that chang changes his case. But if

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<v Speaker 1>he doesn't allow a run for the rest of the

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<v Speaker 1>rest of June, then it's probably good. He's got a

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<v Speaker 1>pretty good case.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So once again call to action to all of

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<v Speaker 2>you guys. You're listening. You can send us a DM

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<v Speaker 2>you can't. Yeah dm' is probably the easiest. You could

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<v Speaker 2>email us if you want to. But if you're watch

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<v Speaker 2>on YouTube, go comment, leave us a comment. Is Brian

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<v Speaker 2>Wu either going to be an All Star or deserving

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<v Speaker 2>of being an All Star if he keeps us up

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<v Speaker 2>for the next month. We want your take. This podcast

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<v Speaker 2>is split. We want to hear from the crowd.

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<v Speaker 1>So so the other bit of news Lyle is we

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<v Speaker 1>floated the idea out there. It seemed like it made sense,

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<v Speaker 1>But this week it finally came to fruition that now

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<v Speaker 1>recently minted top one hundred prospect Logan evans our guy

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<v Speaker 1>is moving to the bullpen. He had a great first

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<v Speaker 1>two months starting in Arkansas dominant, but the Mariners decided

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<v Speaker 1>this that he's moving to the bullpen. He made his

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<v Speaker 1>first bullpen appearance this week, allowed one unearned run a

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<v Speaker 1>pair of hits over two innings. This makes sense. This

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<v Speaker 1>makes a lot of sense for what the Mariners need,

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<v Speaker 1>and it makes sense for where Logan Evans is at.

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<v Speaker 1>I think at first I was thinking, man, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>little early to take him out of the rotation because

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like he still has more starter innings left

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<v Speaker 1>in him. But he actually doesn't. Because he threw seventy

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<v Speaker 1>eight total innings in twenty twenty three. That includes his

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<v Speaker 1>time in college, his time post college and summer ball,

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<v Speaker 1>and then his time with the Mariners seventy eight total innings.

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<v Speaker 1>He's at fifty three right now, and there's four months

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<v Speaker 1>of the season left. So the Mariners are gonna have

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<v Speaker 1>to find some way to manage those Logan Evans innings.

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<v Speaker 1>And if they think, okay, well he could be valuable

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<v Speaker 1>in this Mariner's bullpen, then let's use up the next

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<v Speaker 1>thirty or forty innings he has left this season and

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<v Speaker 1>put him in the big league bullpen. And he's now

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<v Speaker 1>on his way to do that.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't wait. First off, this is going to be

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<v Speaker 3>so exciting for him.

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<v Speaker 2>Imagine telling Logan Evans a year ago today, when he

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<v Speaker 2>had an era that was not desirable in college that

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<v Speaker 2>a year from now, you're gonna be in the big leagues.

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<v Speaker 2>That's sick like. First off, just as somebody who is

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<v Speaker 2>now a friend of the pod, that's awesome. But in

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<v Speaker 2>terms of the Mariner's needs, man, this would be such

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<v Speaker 2>a boost for them. You're talking about a guy that

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<v Speaker 2>can ramp it up to ninety nine miles an hour. Honestly,

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<v Speaker 2>we've never seen him in the bullpen. He's in the bullpen.

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<v Speaker 2>Who's to say he can't hit triple digits. I wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>be shocked if he's going all out in appearances for

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<v Speaker 2>an inning at a time, for a bullpen that has

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<v Speaker 2>had a bunch of injuries and needs reinforcements, this would

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<v Speaker 2>be huge. And it's a perfect way to balance the

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<v Speaker 2>man the workload of Logan Evans, because he's started about

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<v Speaker 2>as many games as you could have him start for

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<v Speaker 2>what his innings limit will allow this year. Now, what

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<v Speaker 2>could you do with the rest of his innings? You

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<v Speaker 2>could have him either make a couple more starts, or

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<v Speaker 2>say hey, why don't you pitch out of the bullpen?

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<v Speaker 2>And because you were very clearly one of the thirteen

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<v Speaker 2>best arms in this organization, already you're getting into the bullpen.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So, Logan Evans, this is Logan Evans. This is

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<v Speaker 1>my call to you. Get ready for the MENI my

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<v Speaker 1>question because it's coming now, especially if you were a

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<v Speaker 1>member of this bullpen. I see what you guys do

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<v Speaker 1>on a day to day basis and how much free

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<v Speaker 1>time you have. You're coming. You're getting on the mic.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh oh, he's getting on the mic and knowing Logan

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, I bet you will be willing to do it.

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<v Speaker 1>To be honest with you, get ready for your top

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<v Speaker 1>five slogan.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Now here's the last thing I wanted to add. There

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<v Speaker 2>have been some people all of a sudden starting to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about is this transition for Logan Evans going to

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<v Speaker 2>be permanent? I've seen I listen to Ryan Divish talk

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<v Speaker 2>about this on Jason Puckett's podcast just recently, saying well,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think Puckett mentioned it too, about the idea

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<v Speaker 2>of will this be a permanent transition? The way Edwin

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<v Speaker 2>was transferred from a starter to a reliever never went back.

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<v Speaker 2>Matt Brash was transitioned from a starter to a reliever.

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<v Speaker 2>They tried to let him work back as a starter

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<v Speaker 2>of the following season, but it didn't happen.

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<v Speaker 3>He stayed in the bullpen.

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<v Speaker 2>I've had I've heard some people talking about, is this

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<v Speaker 2>what's gonna happen with Logan Evans? Is this just going

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<v Speaker 2>to be a permanent transition. I don't think so. I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's a little different with Brash and Edwin Diez.

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<v Speaker 2>Were those two very clearly, even though they were starting

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<v Speaker 2>in the minor leagues. I think most scouts and analysts

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<v Speaker 2>said their profile is more of a bullpen arm, So yes,

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<v Speaker 2>they were transitioned to bullpen arms. What's happening with Logan

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<v Speaker 2>Evans here, I think mirrors very much what happened with

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<v Speaker 2>Dustin May and the Dodgers a few years ago. I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's much more like that, where they said, look,

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<v Speaker 2>Dustin May is clearly one of the best arms we have.

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<v Speaker 2>There is no room for him to start in the

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<v Speaker 2>rotation right now. But how do we optimize him and

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<v Speaker 2>help him win this ball club games in the big leagues?

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<v Speaker 2>Put him in the bullpen when we need him, He's

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<v Speaker 2>going to pitch out of a bullpen, and for this

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<v Speaker 2>season in twenty twenty four, I think that's exactactly what

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<v Speaker 2>they're gonna do with Logan Evans. In this offseason, I'll

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<v Speaker 2>probably go back to being a starter, So.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he's going to be a starter next year.

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<v Speaker 1>But I thought Puckett and Divish made good points on

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<v Speaker 1>this thing. Ultimately, players do want to be in the

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<v Speaker 1>big leagues because the life is that much better than

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<v Speaker 1>it is being in the minor leagues. And look at

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<v Speaker 1>where the Mariners current rotation is right now. Are you

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<v Speaker 1>breaking into that group as a starter? Probably not. It's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be difficult, right and teams don't carry a sixth starter,

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<v Speaker 1>so it it is ultimately up to the It's up

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<v Speaker 1>to the team first, because the team's gonna decide with

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<v Speaker 1>a player under contract, what they're gonna do. But then

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<v Speaker 1>it's the player too to either accept that except maybe

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<v Speaker 1>a bullpen roll to be a big leaguer more then

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<v Speaker 1>say okay, well I'm gonna start. It could be a

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<v Speaker 1>longer term, more beneficial long term for me, but it

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't guarantee me a spot in this very rotation. So

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's a balancing act. For example, if Emerson Hancock

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<v Speaker 1>was if he jumped to the bullpen and was throwing

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<v Speaker 1>ninety nine with a wicked slider, do you think he'd

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<v Speaker 1>be up right now? Well, I will say if he

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<v Speaker 1>would do that, Emerson Hancock would be in the bullpen

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<v Speaker 1>right now. But as Emerson's not really he's not really

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<v Speaker 1>a bullpen type arm, so at least not right now

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<v Speaker 1>right And if he was in the bullpen, he'd be

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<v Speaker 1>at the big leagues. He'd be making a big league salary,

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<v Speaker 1>flying on chartered flights, with five star hotels, all these

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<v Speaker 1>things that the players really cove it and they work

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<v Speaker 1>so hard for. So it's a decision sometimes it's it

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<v Speaker 1>all comes back to say that Logan Evans I think

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<v Speaker 1>will still be a starter next year. But I wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>say it's something that is one hundred percent set in

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<v Speaker 1>stone for everyone.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not set in stone.

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<v Speaker 2>But I just think with him and how he profiles,

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<v Speaker 2>I would guess he will remain as a starter.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know that. I can't promise for certain. That

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<v Speaker 3>is just my guess in my opinion, right.

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<v Speaker 1>And just because you're in the bullpen doesn't mean that

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<v Speaker 1>you can't start, No, you just you just need to

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<v Speaker 1>get ramped up a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>It's harder once the season starts. It's much easier to

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<v Speaker 2>go from starter to reliever mid season than reliever to starter.

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<v Speaker 1>You're so, yeah, you're right. So ultimately those are decisions

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<v Speaker 1>the Mariners and Logan Evans will have to make. But

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<v Speaker 1>as of right now, bullpen for the rest of the season,

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<v Speaker 1>it seems like, and I'll be right back in the

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<v Speaker 1>rotation in the minor leagues next year, I would imagine,

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<v Speaker 1>unless there's an injury, but we don't. We don't wish

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<v Speaker 1>for injuries.

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<v Speaker 3>Here, No, no, of course not.

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<v Speaker 2>And like I said above all else, I think we're

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<v Speaker 2>just really excited to now see him in the big

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<v Speaker 2>leagues here. Soon enough, they could be by the All

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<v Speaker 2>Star break and yeah, we're gonna be We're gonna be

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<v Speaker 2>fired up for him, So shout out Logan. It'll be

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<v Speaker 2>interesting to see how is outing's look is a reliever

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<v Speaker 2>here in Double A for the next few weeks, and

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<v Speaker 2>I think people are now keeping a very close eye

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<v Speaker 2>on them.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's get into these Mariners trade targets and let's

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<v Speaker 1>go down to Tampa Bay to start. This is a

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<v Speaker 1>guy we talked about in the off season, low Randy

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<v Speaker 1>a Rose Arena, a guy who could pay potentially be

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<v Speaker 1>available with Tampa Bay hovering around five hundred this year.

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<v Speaker 1>For his career, he has been a very solid hitter.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean we're talking about a one to twenty six

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<v Speaker 1>WRC plus last year, won twenty four the year before that,

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<v Speaker 1>and one twenty seven in his first full year in

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<v Speaker 1>Tampa in twenty twenty one. But this year it hasn't

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<v Speaker 1>been quite as good. He's got just a seventy nine

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<v Speaker 1>WORC plus. He's striking out a lot, he is walking

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit, he's hitting for a tiny bit of power,

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<v Speaker 1>but his value this year has really plumbing. It would

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<v Speaker 1>this be a guy who'd make.

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<v Speaker 3>Sense, Not the way he profiles right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Not when you've got an OPS nearly under six hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and the rest of his profile. It's concerning, which is

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<v Speaker 2>crazy to say about a guy like a rose Arena

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<v Speaker 2>who's been He's not a superstar player, but he's in

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<v Speaker 2>that star category between one. He's just got the fun

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<v Speaker 2>personality and he's flashy and all that stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>But he is a very very good baseball player.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what's going on with him this year,

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<v Speaker 2>but he's not launching the ball at all, like nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>He's hittings going in the air, He's swinging and missing

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<v Speaker 2>a lot. Strikeouts were already part of his game for

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<v Speaker 2>the most part, but it's been amplified this year. And

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<v Speaker 2>when you're not launching the ball, you're not barreling up

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<v Speaker 2>the ball. His defense has honestly been below average. That's

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<v Speaker 2>a problem in Seattle, even more so than other places,

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<v Speaker 2>And going from Tampa to Seattle with this profile, that

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't scream success. And if it's not going to be

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<v Speaker 2>a success for Estoch Parades, who is having a great year,

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<v Speaker 2>and it doesn't feel like it's going to be a

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<v Speaker 2>success for Randy Roserena.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if this is a case of Randy

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<v Speaker 1>being washed or something. He's only twenty nine and he's

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<v Speaker 1>coming off a year last year which you could argue

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<v Speaker 1>is his best. I mentioned the one twenty six WRC plus,

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<v Speaker 1>but he was also striking out the lowest mark he

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<v Speaker 1>has in his career while walking the most. That's an

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<v Speaker 1>ideal combination to have all while crushing the baseball. Now again,

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<v Speaker 1>the strikeout rate as we mentioned is ticked up this year,

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<v Speaker 1>and out rate is ticked up this year, and the

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<v Speaker 1>overall production is not there. And like you said, he's

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<v Speaker 1>not hitting the ball in the air and off, and

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<v Speaker 1>he's not hitting it in the right spot like for example,

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<v Speaker 1>launch angles sweet spot is something baseball savant tracks. It's

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<v Speaker 1>how many balls do you hit between eight degrees and

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<v Speaker 1>thirty two degrees of launch angle, which is the sweet

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<v Speaker 1>spot for a batted ball. He is in the first

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<v Speaker 1>percentile in baseball at that so the ideal launch angle

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<v Speaker 1>for a hit, he's doing the least in baseball, which

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<v Speaker 1>is which is troubling. But I don't think that's something

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<v Speaker 1>that's unfixable. So you sit here and think of Randy like, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>like could we tweak something here that could lead him.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, has still has a good hard hit profile.

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<v Speaker 1>He's still hitting the ball hard. That's not an issue.

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<v Speaker 1>It's where he's hitting the baseballs. If the Mariners say, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>he's not making that much money. He's making just eight

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<v Speaker 1>million dollars this year. We'll have him for next year

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<v Speaker 1>and the year after that. He's not a free agent

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<v Speaker 1>until after the twenty twenty six season. If we think

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<v Speaker 1>we could acquire two and a half years of a

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<v Speaker 1>twenty nine year old Randy rose Arena. We do one

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<v Speaker 1>tweak here, one tweak there to his swing. He's already

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<v Speaker 1>hitting the ball hard, he hits it in the air

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit more, and then all of a sudden

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<v Speaker 1>that production comes back and he's still got the good

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<v Speaker 1>eye here, and he's gonna give us value by hitting

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<v Speaker 1>the ball over the fence and by walking a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>like that. Could that could be a way you sell it.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So we should have prefaced this segment. And just

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<v Speaker 2>for those listening and watching that that don't know, this

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<v Speaker 2>is our under the radar Mariner's potential trade targets. If

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<v Speaker 2>you listened to the podcast two weeks ago, from two

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<v Speaker 2>Fridays ago, we did.

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<v Speaker 3>All the A level names, we did all the headliners.

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<v Speaker 2>We did Robert, we did Vladdie, we did Rucker, we

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<v Speaker 2>did Pee Alonzo, all of them. So this segment and

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<v Speaker 2>this podcast is more based around guys that would be

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit under the radar. So all the names

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<v Speaker 2>we're gonna outline here on this show fit that much.

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<v Speaker 2>And Randy Rose Arena right now is one of them.

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<v Speaker 2>Because he's not hitting all that great right now, here's

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<v Speaker 2>my thing. If you had ask me three months ago,

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<v Speaker 2>I would have said, absolutely, trade for Randy Rose Arena.

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<v Speaker 2>We said it in the offseason. You can only trade

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<v Speaker 2>for so many guys. It's been very clear the Mariners

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<v Speaker 2>not only need an immediate boost in offensive production, but

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<v Speaker 2>need to get to the playoffs this year. They need

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<v Speaker 2>to make they need to make something happen this year.

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<v Speaker 2>And trying to toy around with a mid season project

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<v Speaker 2>with a guy that's way below average as a hitter

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<v Speaker 2>right now, isn't hitting for a ton of power, isn't

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<v Speaker 2>launching the ball, isn't playing great defense. I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden, I've got cold feet about this.

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<v Speaker 2>Paired with I'm sure the Rays would still try to

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<v Speaker 2>ask for a decent amount back for him.

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<v Speaker 1>But if the price is lower and he's the second

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<v Speaker 1>bat you acquire, is that the worst thing?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>If he's the second bat, sure, and if it's look,

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<v Speaker 2>if it's gonna cost you somebody that's outside of your

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<v Speaker 2>gold standard prospects.

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<v Speaker 3>What I mean is that that.

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<v Speaker 2>First wave, and you know who do you want to

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<v Speaker 2>qualify in that first wave? Colt Cole Young, Harry laz Belman, Barmelo.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll throw typed in there too, Like if it's somebody

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<v Speaker 2>past those guys, sure, But if it's gonna be what

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<v Speaker 2>Randy Rose arena would have cost it a couple months ago,

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<v Speaker 2>and you have to try to fix a guy midseason,

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<v Speaker 2>then I've got cold feat.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I think the way we preface this list of

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<v Speaker 1>trade targets is most of these guys, if not all

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<v Speaker 1>of them, would be the second guy you acquire. If

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<v Speaker 1>the Mariters are going all out at the deadline to

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<v Speaker 1>improve the offense, this is the second guy you're getting.

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<v Speaker 1>There's I think one guy in this list who we

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<v Speaker 1>think would be a potential number one, but the rest

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<v Speaker 1>of this would be a number two. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>Randy at a cheaper price the race, I feel like,

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<v Speaker 1>don't have as much leverage as we would think because

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<v Speaker 1>we know they don't like paying arbitration salaries and is

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<v Speaker 1>this gonna go up again and again he's got again

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<v Speaker 1>two more times. This salary's gonna raise as a Tampa

0:22:03.960 --> 0:22:06.720
<v Speaker 1>Bay ray. And you know we you and I both

0:22:06.720 --> 0:22:08.919
<v Speaker 1>know they don't want to pay that right now that

0:22:09.080 --> 0:22:11.679
<v Speaker 1>Randy's gonna not if they don't know what's wrong with Randy?

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<v Speaker 3>Sure? All right?

0:22:13.960 --> 0:22:18.800
<v Speaker 2>So with that scenario painted more open minded, Yes, if

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to actually cost you a high level prospect,

0:22:22.560 --> 0:22:25.520
<v Speaker 2>then I've got cold feet. So oh and if this

0:22:25.560 --> 0:22:27.440
<v Speaker 2>is going to be the second bat you acquire, if

0:22:27.440 --> 0:22:30.399
<v Speaker 2>the Mariners were to acquire two outfield bats or a

0:22:30.440 --> 0:22:33.800
<v Speaker 2>first baseman and an outfielder for example, I'm not saying

0:22:33.880 --> 0:22:35.640
<v Speaker 2>any of these are gonna happen, but if they were

0:22:35.640 --> 0:22:40.399
<v Speaker 2>to acquire Luis Robert and a Rose Arena or I

0:22:40.400 --> 0:22:42.760
<v Speaker 2>guess for our sake, because we've talked about Rooker a

0:22:42.760 --> 0:22:46.040
<v Speaker 2>little more since we have, you know, concerns with Roberts health.

0:22:46.119 --> 0:22:49.200
<v Speaker 2>Who's gonna be Rooker and a Rose Arena? Sure, then

0:22:49.400 --> 0:22:51.320
<v Speaker 2>a Rose Raina is not the headliner all of a sudden,

0:22:51.520 --> 0:22:53.919
<v Speaker 2>I'd be open to that. If he's the headliner and

0:22:53.960 --> 0:22:55.600
<v Speaker 2>they're trying to and the Rays are trying to ask

0:22:55.640 --> 0:22:57.400
<v Speaker 2>for top level prospects, no way.

0:22:58.040 --> 0:22:59.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah that's fair.

0:22:59.760 --> 0:23:00.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's fair.

0:23:00.800 --> 0:23:05.920
<v Speaker 1>But you know, nobody, nobody is perfect here. And if

0:23:06.000 --> 0:23:08.840
<v Speaker 1>Randy was doing what he did last year, he would

0:23:08.840 --> 0:23:10.400
<v Speaker 1>have been in our episode two weeks ago.

0:23:10.920 --> 0:23:13.920
<v Speaker 2>Sure, and Yandi Diaz would too. Who's not on this

0:23:13.960 --> 0:23:16.439
<v Speaker 2>list because Ty France are starting to hit. And you

0:23:16.440 --> 0:23:18.720
<v Speaker 2>know we've outlined some other guys in that first base

0:23:18.800 --> 0:23:21.520
<v Speaker 2>dh mold But same thing. If Yandy Diaz was hitting

0:23:21.520 --> 0:23:22.879
<v Speaker 2>the way he was supposed to be hitting, he'd be

0:23:22.880 --> 0:23:23.960
<v Speaker 2>on the list two weeks ago.

0:23:24.520 --> 0:23:26.920
<v Speaker 1>Tie has been better than Yandi Diaz this year.

0:23:26.880 --> 0:23:30.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, correct, it has been great. Yandi Diaz has not

0:23:30.760 --> 0:23:32.679
<v Speaker 2>been great. That's why he's not on the list. But

0:23:33.400 --> 0:23:37.440
<v Speaker 2>it is crazy how fast things change. All right, second guy,

0:23:37.800 --> 0:23:39.760
<v Speaker 2>we're gonna get to in a minute. Before that, let's

0:23:39.760 --> 0:23:41.600
<v Speaker 2>take a pause here. We're gonna talk to you about

0:23:41.600 --> 0:23:43.520
<v Speaker 2>our friends over at Pagatcha's Pub eighty five.

0:23:44.320 --> 0:23:47.040
<v Speaker 3>You know, one of these guys may be a Mariner

0:23:47.040 --> 0:23:47.720
<v Speaker 3>at some point.

0:23:48.240 --> 0:23:49.679
<v Speaker 2>Maybe you don't get to watch him a ton on

0:23:49.720 --> 0:23:52.399
<v Speaker 2>TV right now, but if the day comes that the

0:23:52.400 --> 0:23:54.560
<v Speaker 2>Mariners make a big trade, you want to get out

0:23:54.560 --> 0:23:56.400
<v Speaker 2>with your friends and watch the Mariners games. You want

0:23:56.400 --> 0:23:59.360
<v Speaker 2>to watch a new name Mariner in a Mariner uniform.

0:23:59.600 --> 0:24:01.359
<v Speaker 2>Head out some friends and do it. Head over to

0:24:01.359 --> 0:24:03.840
<v Speaker 2>Pigatcha's Pub eighty five. You can hang out. You can

0:24:03.880 --> 0:24:05.680
<v Speaker 2>eat some great food, some great drinks. You want to

0:24:05.680 --> 0:24:07.960
<v Speaker 2>play pool. You want to play darts, You've got a

0:24:07.960 --> 0:24:10.160
<v Speaker 2>bunch of stuff to do. Like it's it's your one

0:24:10.200 --> 0:24:12.679
<v Speaker 2>stop shop. And if you go during happy hour, drinks

0:24:12.680 --> 0:24:14.879
<v Speaker 2>are three and four dollars and that's from two to

0:24:14.920 --> 0:24:17.399
<v Speaker 2>six pm Monday through Friday. So if you want to

0:24:17.440 --> 0:24:19.280
<v Speaker 2>head out early, want to get some drinks, you want

0:24:19.280 --> 0:24:22.280
<v Speaker 2>to watch the Mariners, we recommend it. That's all over

0:24:22.440 --> 0:24:27.000
<v Speaker 2>at Pigotcha's Pub eighty five in Kirkland. Guy number two,

0:24:27.880 --> 0:24:32.199
<v Speaker 2>another exciting name, Jash Chisholm of the Miami Marlins. On

0:24:32.400 --> 0:24:36.160
<v Speaker 2>the year, he has a seven thirty five ops, eight homers,

0:24:36.640 --> 0:24:40.520
<v Speaker 2>one oh seven WRC plus one point two f wour

0:24:41.280 --> 0:24:44.399
<v Speaker 2>and he currently has two and a half years on

0:24:44.480 --> 0:24:45.560
<v Speaker 2>his contract.

0:24:46.040 --> 0:24:47.160
<v Speaker 3>How do we feel about this one?

0:24:48.640 --> 0:24:51.320
<v Speaker 1>Fun? This would be the most fun guy they could

0:24:51.320 --> 0:24:55.880
<v Speaker 1>acquire easily. He's got a little bit of power, he's

0:24:55.880 --> 0:25:00.240
<v Speaker 1>got a little bit of swag. He's an electric bas owner.

0:25:01.240 --> 0:25:05.720
<v Speaker 1>He would play the corner outfield. He hasn't played corner outfield,

0:25:06.040 --> 0:25:07.840
<v Speaker 1>but I think he'd be okay at corner outfield. His

0:25:07.920 --> 0:25:11.320
<v Speaker 1>defensive numbers are interesting to say the least, But if

0:25:11.320 --> 0:25:13.720
<v Speaker 1>you stick him out there in the corner having a

0:25:13.760 --> 0:25:17.639
<v Speaker 1>lot of fun, chain will be out, might hit a homer,

0:25:17.960 --> 0:25:21.159
<v Speaker 1>toss his bad a million miles into the air. And

0:25:21.200 --> 0:25:24.720
<v Speaker 1>by the way, he'll be productive like that. That's what

0:25:24.840 --> 0:25:28.280
<v Speaker 1>you want, right, Ultimately, it's production. And you know, looking

0:25:28.280 --> 0:25:30.159
<v Speaker 1>at the team across the aisle that you're going to

0:25:30.200 --> 0:25:33.400
<v Speaker 1>be training with here at the Miami Marlins, Like, seriously,

0:25:33.440 --> 0:25:35.160
<v Speaker 1>how much is he really gonna cost?

0:25:36.760 --> 0:25:39.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's a again, he's a one oh seven WRC

0:25:39.240 --> 0:25:40.600
<v Speaker 2>plus guy. I know he's got two and a half

0:25:40.680 --> 0:25:42.639
<v Speaker 2>years of control, So he is not going to cost

0:25:42.720 --> 0:25:46.040
<v Speaker 2>you a bunch of top level prospects in your farm system.

0:25:46.080 --> 0:25:48.240
<v Speaker 2>Your farm's not gonna get gutted for jazz Chasm, that's

0:25:48.240 --> 0:25:52.080
<v Speaker 2>for sure. So yeah, I'm sure that the package would

0:25:52.080 --> 0:25:54.600
<v Speaker 2>probably be reasonable. And like you said, how do you

0:25:54.640 --> 0:25:57.000
<v Speaker 2>know the flairy add to this team, to this city,

0:25:57.040 --> 0:26:01.159
<v Speaker 2>to this region be awesome? And selfishly, guy's a great quote.

0:26:01.200 --> 0:26:03.159
<v Speaker 2>You think he wouldn't make great short form content if

0:26:03.160 --> 0:26:03.920
<v Speaker 2>we got him on the mic?

0:26:04.040 --> 0:26:04.639
<v Speaker 3>Oh he would.

0:26:05.200 --> 0:26:08.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so we should. If Jerry doesn't want to do it,

0:26:08.359 --> 0:26:11.560
<v Speaker 1>we should do the negotiating with the Marlins. We'll do that.

0:26:12.080 --> 0:26:13.920
<v Speaker 3>I'm sure, Well, he'd be word.

0:26:13.920 --> 0:26:15.160
<v Speaker 1>I think it'd be worth the investment.

0:26:15.400 --> 0:26:16.960
<v Speaker 3>I mean, how hard can it be to negotiate with

0:26:16.960 --> 0:26:17.520
<v Speaker 3>the Marlins?

0:26:18.119 --> 0:26:23.480
<v Speaker 1>Well, you know, how's that Christian Yell's trade working out exactly?

0:26:23.760 --> 0:26:24.640
<v Speaker 3>You know what's funny?

0:26:25.280 --> 0:26:27.520
<v Speaker 2>Arm put out that tweet Arm Lighton, who's the co

0:26:27.600 --> 0:26:29.840
<v Speaker 2>founder of Just Baseball and has been on this podcast.

0:26:30.000 --> 0:26:34.400
<v Speaker 2>It went viral because the four guys the the Marlins

0:26:34.400 --> 0:26:37.359
<v Speaker 2>got back for Christian Yelich are now all out of baseball.

0:26:37.520 --> 0:26:40.320
<v Speaker 2>One of them, I'm gonna blank on his name. Maybe

0:26:40.359 --> 0:26:41.320
<v Speaker 2>I need to look it up. One of them is

0:26:41.359 --> 0:26:43.280
<v Speaker 2>now trying to play college football at age twenty.

0:26:43.359 --> 0:26:46.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Monte Harrison, he's former four star recruit. He's at

0:26:46.960 --> 0:26:48.119
<v Speaker 1>Arkansas m h.

0:26:48.760 --> 0:26:50.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and that's who it was.

0:26:50.800 --> 0:26:53.159
<v Speaker 2>Monte Harrison and Lewis Brinson, who was the headline of

0:26:53.160 --> 0:26:53.840
<v Speaker 2>that deal.

0:26:54.000 --> 0:26:56.399
<v Speaker 3>Is out of baseball. He's out a major league baseball

0:26:56.440 --> 0:26:56.960
<v Speaker 3>that's for sure.

0:26:57.520 --> 0:27:02.879
<v Speaker 1>So but like Jazz has shown, he has like the

0:27:02.880 --> 0:27:06.160
<v Speaker 1>potential to be electric. Twenty twenty two season was his best.

0:27:06.200 --> 0:27:08.119
<v Speaker 1>He was an All Star that year, had a one

0:27:08.200 --> 0:27:12.919
<v Speaker 1>thirty six worc plus and sixty games. That was peak Jazz.

0:27:12.960 --> 0:27:16.000
<v Speaker 1>Go back on YouTube like it's the Tavon Austin joke

0:27:16.000 --> 0:27:19.000
<v Speaker 1>where you go watch Tavon Austin, West Virginia highlights, But no,

0:27:19.119 --> 0:27:22.600
<v Speaker 1>go watch Jazz Chisholm's twenty twenty two season highlights because

0:27:22.600 --> 0:27:24.720
<v Speaker 1>that was that was a fun season. But he's actually

0:27:25.040 --> 0:27:27.840
<v Speaker 1>we're talking about this year. He's made some really quality

0:27:27.920 --> 0:27:30.800
<v Speaker 1>jumps in areas you'd like to see. His quality of

0:27:30.840 --> 0:27:33.480
<v Speaker 1>contact is up, his barrel rate is up, and his

0:27:33.520 --> 0:27:36.080
<v Speaker 1>walk rate is up. Those are positive science I And

0:27:36.119 --> 0:27:39.879
<v Speaker 1>his barrel rate is up there at twelve percent eighty

0:27:39.960 --> 0:27:43.920
<v Speaker 1>second percentile, it's pretty good. He's not a huge guy overall,

0:27:44.000 --> 0:27:46.159
<v Speaker 1>not a huge power guy. And when you look at

0:27:46.160 --> 0:27:52.080
<v Speaker 1>the Savant page, you see average about overall net average.

0:27:52.840 --> 0:27:55.520
<v Speaker 1>But then you check at the value batting run value

0:27:55.800 --> 0:27:59.640
<v Speaker 1>eighty first percentile, base running run value something the Mariners

0:27:59.720 --> 0:28:06.520
<v Speaker 1>need ninety seventh percentile. Then fielding he's average. Well, note

0:28:06.600 --> 0:28:09.200
<v Speaker 1>that with the Marlins he plays center. The Mariners should

0:28:09.200 --> 0:28:11.400
<v Speaker 1>be in the corner outfield spots. And he, by the way,

0:28:11.480 --> 0:28:14.240
<v Speaker 1>was a former infielder. If you want, if you dare

0:28:14.280 --> 0:28:16.320
<v Speaker 1>to move him back on the infield, you could do

0:28:16.359 --> 0:28:20.920
<v Speaker 1>that too. So he's versatile, he's fast, he's fun, he's

0:28:20.960 --> 0:28:23.760
<v Speaker 1>got a little big bit of power. He's not gonna

0:28:23.760 --> 0:28:26.280
<v Speaker 1>cost that much. That's why I think this would be fun.

0:28:27.080 --> 0:28:29.520
<v Speaker 2>He's actually on pace for about twenty five homers right now,

0:28:29.520 --> 0:28:34.560
<v Speaker 2>which is crazy, but he is so Yeah, all that combined,

0:28:34.640 --> 0:28:37.040
<v Speaker 2>especially the fact that he can play infield and outfield

0:28:37.119 --> 0:28:39.800
<v Speaker 2>for you, that helps a lot. I know he hasn't

0:28:39.800 --> 0:28:42.080
<v Speaker 2>played second base this year, but if you need him

0:28:42.120 --> 0:28:43.800
<v Speaker 2>to play second base, I'm sure he can do it.

0:28:43.920 --> 0:28:45.880
<v Speaker 2>And like you said, if you can play center field,

0:28:45.880 --> 0:28:48.080
<v Speaker 2>you can play the corners. Especially if you're Jazz Chisholm,

0:28:48.240 --> 0:28:50.560
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure he can play left field. So if they

0:28:50.680 --> 0:28:52.520
<v Speaker 2>if the Mariner's traded for him and had him play

0:28:52.600 --> 0:28:55.640
<v Speaker 2>left field, I think that would be perfectly fine. And

0:28:55.960 --> 0:28:58.080
<v Speaker 2>the two guys we've headlined so far with chishom and

0:28:58.120 --> 0:29:01.080
<v Speaker 2>a ros Arena, because they have club can role that

0:29:01.200 --> 0:29:03.280
<v Speaker 2>is much more appealing, as we know, to Jerry Topoto

0:29:03.280 --> 0:29:05.480
<v Speaker 2>and Justin Hollander than probably a lot of the guys

0:29:05.480 --> 0:29:09.760
<v Speaker 2>we're gonna headline upcoming because they don't usually make trades

0:29:09.760 --> 0:29:10.360
<v Speaker 2>for Reynolds.

0:29:11.520 --> 0:29:13.960
<v Speaker 1>Can you just think of the personality difference with the

0:29:14.040 --> 0:29:16.960
<v Speaker 1>current Mariners corner outfielders and then Jazz.

0:29:19.160 --> 0:29:21.440
<v Speaker 2>Listen, And that's no knock on any of the Mariners

0:29:21.440 --> 0:29:23.600
<v Speaker 2>guys like people are who they are. But but yes

0:29:23.680 --> 0:29:26.840
<v Speaker 2>to to your point of Don Canzon and Luke Rayley,

0:29:26.880 --> 0:29:29.280
<v Speaker 2>Mitch Hanneger, who are all you know, they're more on

0:29:29.320 --> 0:29:31.280
<v Speaker 2>the quiet side, at least from what we see as

0:29:31.400 --> 0:29:35.120
<v Speaker 2>media for the most part. Paired with jazz Chisholm. That's

0:29:35.280 --> 0:29:41.160
<v Speaker 2>that's pretty night and day different like night and day. Yeah,

0:29:41.200 --> 0:29:44.360
<v Speaker 2>that's oh yeah, that's a drastic difference in terms of

0:29:44.920 --> 0:29:47.400
<v Speaker 2>the outgoingness, at least at least in public.

0:29:47.440 --> 0:29:49.640
<v Speaker 3>Again, maybe maybe in the clubhouse. All those guys are

0:29:49.640 --> 0:29:50.080
<v Speaker 3>way different.

0:29:50.080 --> 0:29:52.120
<v Speaker 2>We don't know that, but at least how they they

0:29:52.160 --> 0:29:55.320
<v Speaker 2>are around I guess the media or on TV.

0:29:55.680 --> 0:29:57.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there's there's a big difference.

0:29:57.520 --> 0:29:59.280
<v Speaker 1>And you know overall, like if you acquire them so

0:29:59.320 --> 0:30:01.560
<v Speaker 1>I city, he's gonna be region after the twenty twenty sixties.

0:30:01.600 --> 0:30:05.200
<v Speaker 1>But he's not that expensive. He cost two point six

0:30:05.240 --> 0:30:08.040
<v Speaker 1>million this year. He'll probably cost five next year and

0:30:08.080 --> 0:30:10.479
<v Speaker 1>then seven and a half the year he walks, right,

0:30:10.600 --> 0:30:11.320
<v Speaker 1>it's not that much.

0:30:11.760 --> 0:30:14.560
<v Speaker 2>No, Now, if we're gonna highlight a couple of concerns,

0:30:14.560 --> 0:30:17.240
<v Speaker 2>which we probably should, he I don't want to say

0:30:17.280 --> 0:30:19.800
<v Speaker 2>he's a platoon bat, but he fares much better against

0:30:19.880 --> 0:30:21.640
<v Speaker 2>righty's than he has lefties in his career. You're talking

0:30:21.680 --> 0:30:24.080
<v Speaker 2>about an eight hundred ops against righty's and his six

0:30:24.200 --> 0:30:27.520
<v Speaker 2>twenty five ops in his career against lefties. So again,

0:30:27.760 --> 0:30:31.880
<v Speaker 2>he doesn't platoon, but there there are some somewhat draftic splits.

0:30:32.000 --> 0:30:36.120
<v Speaker 2>And he hasn't been Luis Robert injured in his career,

0:30:36.160 --> 0:30:37.960
<v Speaker 2>but he has sustained his share of injuries.

0:30:38.000 --> 0:30:40.400
<v Speaker 3>So health is something to consider here too.

0:30:40.680 --> 0:30:43.560
<v Speaker 2>Again, like because he wouldn't cost that much any of

0:30:43.600 --> 0:30:45.760
<v Speaker 2>his club control, I am open minded the idea.

0:30:45.880 --> 0:30:46.880
<v Speaker 3>I'm just outlining that.

0:30:47.560 --> 0:30:52.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and he would you say he's the best player

0:30:52.680 --> 0:30:55.360
<v Speaker 1>right now on the Marlins, right he doesn't. He wouldn't

0:30:55.360 --> 0:30:59.560
<v Speaker 1>have to be that anymore, right so, and it was

0:30:59.640 --> 0:31:02.160
<v Speaker 1>him and was a rise than him, but now it's

0:31:02.680 --> 0:31:05.080
<v Speaker 1>I think it's just him. So there would be I'd

0:31:05.080 --> 0:31:07.480
<v Speaker 1>say less the pressure would be on, like he'd be

0:31:07.480 --> 0:31:12.120
<v Speaker 1>in Seattle to play, but it's not. Our season makes

0:31:12.120 --> 0:31:14.560
<v Speaker 1>some breaks if you stay healthy right now, which is

0:31:14.560 --> 0:31:17.000
<v Speaker 1>different which would be different than Luis Robert, which the

0:31:17.040 --> 0:31:19.120
<v Speaker 1>Mariners season if they were to acquire him and then

0:31:19.160 --> 0:31:22.680
<v Speaker 1>he would get hurt, would affect the Mariner's season greatly.

0:31:23.480 --> 0:31:26.680
<v Speaker 2>To answer your question, he is the most valuable position

0:31:26.720 --> 0:31:28.840
<v Speaker 2>player on the Marlins. That's for sure now by Baseball

0:31:28.880 --> 0:31:30.560
<v Speaker 2>Reference because I just pulled it up. In terms of

0:31:30.560 --> 0:31:32.880
<v Speaker 2>team war for this year. There are three pitchers ahead

0:31:32.880 --> 0:31:36.000
<v Speaker 2>of him, Ryan Weathers, Tanner, Scott Declan Cronin. But Jazz

0:31:36.040 --> 0:31:39.000
<v Speaker 2>chism is the most valuable position player on the Miami Marlins.

0:31:39.200 --> 0:31:45.960
<v Speaker 1>All right, well sounds good to me and Jerry so

0:31:47.880 --> 0:31:51.840
<v Speaker 1>I overall like the idea of Jazz Chisholm, and don't

0:31:52.160 --> 0:31:54.280
<v Speaker 1>I don't think he'll cost that much. Now, if we

0:31:54.320 --> 0:32:00.200
<v Speaker 1>go to our next guy, different profile, different personality, differ

0:32:00.240 --> 0:32:04.000
<v Speaker 1>in structure, it'll be Mark Canna. We've talked and a

0:32:04.080 --> 0:32:06.440
<v Speaker 1>lot around the Mariners community have talked about Mark Canna

0:32:06.560 --> 0:32:09.240
<v Speaker 1>for years now as a guy who could fit in Seattle,

0:32:09.680 --> 0:32:11.360
<v Speaker 1>talked about it when he was a free agent a

0:32:11.360 --> 0:32:13.680
<v Speaker 1>couple of years ago, and now that he's in his

0:32:13.800 --> 0:32:16.920
<v Speaker 1>walk ear in Detroit, it's come back up that Mark

0:32:16.920 --> 0:32:20.760
<v Speaker 1>Canna could be in addition to this team. One fourteen

0:32:20.920 --> 0:32:24.120
<v Speaker 1>WRC plus this year, six home runs, he's walking a

0:32:24.160 --> 0:32:26.959
<v Speaker 1>decent amount, he's not striking out. He's been worth about

0:32:27.000 --> 0:32:31.440
<v Speaker 1>one Fangrafts win above replacement. He has been a remarkably

0:32:31.560 --> 0:32:34.560
<v Speaker 1>consistent hitter in his career. What do you think about this.

0:32:36.280 --> 0:32:41.360
<v Speaker 2>As a secondary piece? Sure, he is almost always above

0:32:41.440 --> 0:32:43.480
<v Speaker 2>league average as a hitter. I love the fact that

0:32:43.520 --> 0:32:45.520
<v Speaker 2>he walks. I love the fact that he is not

0:32:45.560 --> 0:32:48.400
<v Speaker 2>a huge strikeout guy. Mariners need a guy like that.

0:32:48.880 --> 0:32:51.239
<v Speaker 2>And you know, he can play quarterer outfield, he can

0:32:51.240 --> 0:32:54.400
<v Speaker 2>play quarterer infield, he can dh He's got some versatility.

0:32:55.040 --> 0:32:58.360
<v Speaker 2>I like Markanna as a player. But if the Mariners

0:32:58.400 --> 0:33:02.040
<v Speaker 2>and the trade deadline and there headline offensive acquisition is

0:33:02.080 --> 0:33:05.320
<v Speaker 2>acquiring thirty four year old Mark Kanna with two months

0:33:05.360 --> 0:33:10.840
<v Speaker 2>on his contract, that's the caveat that would have not

0:33:10.880 --> 0:33:12.959
<v Speaker 2>just me, but probably a lot of people up in arms.

0:33:13.320 --> 0:33:14.680
<v Speaker 3>I like Mark Canna as a player.

0:33:14.800 --> 0:33:16.880
<v Speaker 2>I would like him if he's the second option, if

0:33:16.920 --> 0:33:20.720
<v Speaker 2>you get him and a Brent Rooker of Laddie whoever,

0:33:21.520 --> 0:33:22.760
<v Speaker 2>but not as a headliner.

0:33:24.280 --> 0:33:27.680
<v Speaker 1>He's just showing telltale signs of aging. Like his slugging

0:33:27.720 --> 0:33:31.080
<v Speaker 1>has gone down every season as he's gone into his thirties,

0:33:31.120 --> 0:33:34.080
<v Speaker 1>and he's just slugging three eighty seven this year. And

0:33:34.120 --> 0:33:35.960
<v Speaker 1>that doesn't take away from the fact, again he's still

0:33:35.960 --> 0:33:39.080
<v Speaker 1>above average hitter by WRC plus and by a good

0:33:39.120 --> 0:33:43.719
<v Speaker 1>amount at one fourteen, but that's mostly because he is

0:33:44.280 --> 0:33:47.240
<v Speaker 1>He walks a bunch, and it's helped him maintain a

0:33:47.280 --> 0:33:50.320
<v Speaker 1>three point fifty on base percentage every season since twenty nineteen.

0:33:50.720 --> 0:33:52.680
<v Speaker 1>It's not something you just make up, and looking at

0:33:52.720 --> 0:33:54.440
<v Speaker 1>the rest of the Mariners lineup, they don't have a

0:33:54.480 --> 0:33:57.720
<v Speaker 1>lot of three point fifty on base percentages in that lineup.

0:33:57.920 --> 0:34:00.320
<v Speaker 1>So he would certainly be on and a head of

0:34:00.360 --> 0:34:02.920
<v Speaker 1>guys to hit him in, which would be good, but

0:34:02.960 --> 0:34:08.319
<v Speaker 1>his defense, his defense isn't great. Primarily a much better

0:34:08.400 --> 0:34:11.440
<v Speaker 1>hitter against lefties, is about a league average hitter against righty's,

0:34:12.200 --> 0:34:14.480
<v Speaker 1>and there's just not too much else you can do

0:34:14.960 --> 0:34:17.719
<v Speaker 1>as a rental. I mean, he would come in to

0:34:17.760 --> 0:34:21.920
<v Speaker 1>supplement and be a right handed hitting, corner outfielder that

0:34:21.960 --> 0:34:24.000
<v Speaker 1>you could have. You would essentially trade for him and

0:34:24.040 --> 0:34:26.239
<v Speaker 1>want him to be better than Mitch Hanniger, which right

0:34:26.280 --> 0:34:28.600
<v Speaker 1>now he is. But both are in their mid thirties.

0:34:28.840 --> 0:34:33.120
<v Speaker 1>So what if Canna gets to August and September and

0:34:33.840 --> 0:34:36.560
<v Speaker 1>the wear and tear catches up and he slumps and

0:34:36.560 --> 0:34:39.239
<v Speaker 1>struggles as a lot of older players do. It's just

0:34:39.280 --> 0:34:42.200
<v Speaker 1>hard to maintain sometimes. So if you think in August

0:34:42.280 --> 0:34:46.080
<v Speaker 1>and September Mark Hannah is a better player than Mitch Hanniger,

0:34:46.800 --> 0:34:50.680
<v Speaker 1>then that works. But if you're not sold you think

0:34:50.680 --> 0:34:53.840
<v Speaker 1>the age might catch up to him. I don't know

0:34:53.880 --> 0:34:56.239
<v Speaker 1>if that works.

0:34:56.000 --> 0:34:58.000
<v Speaker 3>Well unless you've got anything else on Mark Canna.

0:34:58.120 --> 0:35:01.520
<v Speaker 2>There is an option for rental outfielder who's a little

0:35:01.520 --> 0:35:05.319
<v Speaker 2>bit younger, who might be more intriguing, and many of

0:35:05.360 --> 0:35:09.040
<v Speaker 2>you know his name, it's Tyler O'Neil. For the year,

0:35:09.840 --> 0:35:13.160
<v Speaker 2>the former Mariners prospect has an eight to forty seven ops,

0:35:13.280 --> 0:35:17.399
<v Speaker 2>eleven bombs, one thirty one WRC plus zero point eight

0:35:17.520 --> 0:35:19.920
<v Speaker 2>f war also a free agent at the end of

0:35:19.960 --> 0:35:24.000
<v Speaker 2>the year and younger than Mark Canna. Now, this dude

0:35:24.560 --> 0:35:28.520
<v Speaker 2>hits the ball with absolute force. His battle ball profile

0:35:28.719 --> 0:35:32.320
<v Speaker 2>is awesome. He hits for a ton of power. He's

0:35:33.120 --> 0:35:37.280
<v Speaker 2>maybe more in shape than any player in baseball. However,

0:35:38.800 --> 0:35:41.840
<v Speaker 2>the one thing that stands out is the same issue

0:35:41.880 --> 0:35:46.120
<v Speaker 2>the whole Mariners team is having, not just last year,

0:35:46.160 --> 0:35:50.640
<v Speaker 2>but this year too. Strikeouts through the roof. Tyler O'Neal

0:35:50.760 --> 0:35:53.920
<v Speaker 2>is striking out thirty three and a half percent of

0:35:53.960 --> 0:35:57.120
<v Speaker 2>the time. So how do you feel about this one?

0:35:57.880 --> 0:36:00.920
<v Speaker 1>He might be one of the big outside of Joey

0:36:00.920 --> 0:36:04.560
<v Speaker 1>Gallo three true outcome guys in baseball at this point,

0:36:04.800 --> 0:36:07.680
<v Speaker 1>so strikeout rates thirty three percent, he's got his highest

0:36:07.680 --> 0:36:10.040
<v Speaker 1>ISO of his career, and he's walking a bunch, right,

0:36:10.120 --> 0:36:13.080
<v Speaker 1>He's walking almost thirteen percent of the time. So if

0:36:13.080 --> 0:36:17.160
<v Speaker 1>you like action, he's probably not your player. So he's

0:36:17.360 --> 0:36:19.200
<v Speaker 1>he's gonna just mash try and mash the ball in

0:36:19.239 --> 0:36:22.120
<v Speaker 1>the air and pull it a bunch. Here's a problem, Lyle.

0:36:22.480 --> 0:36:26.799
<v Speaker 1>What version of Tyler O'Neill would the Mariners get. In

0:36:26.840 --> 0:36:31.200
<v Speaker 1>April he put up an Aaron Junge Barry Bonds esque

0:36:31.320 --> 0:36:34.560
<v Speaker 1>what two o six WRC plus? But then in May

0:36:34.600 --> 0:36:36.800
<v Speaker 1>before he got hurt and just came off the il.

0:36:36.920 --> 0:36:40.239
<v Speaker 1>Yesterday on Wednesday he had a forty five WRC plus.

0:36:40.280 --> 0:36:43.560
<v Speaker 1>Who are they getting right? You're not trading for Tyler

0:36:43.560 --> 0:36:46.680
<v Speaker 1>O'Neil to put up a forty five WRC plus on

0:36:46.719 --> 0:36:49.640
<v Speaker 1>your roster because the Mariners already have that if they

0:36:49.680 --> 0:36:50.120
<v Speaker 1>wanted it.

0:36:52.200 --> 0:36:55.600
<v Speaker 2>This just feels like too streaky and too risky of

0:36:55.640 --> 0:36:58.160
<v Speaker 2>a player for somebody like Jerry Depoto or Justin hond

0:36:58.200 --> 0:37:01.640
<v Speaker 2>Or to trade for. He's an like he's had overall

0:37:01.800 --> 0:37:04.239
<v Speaker 2>a good year anchored by a phenomenal April. If the

0:37:04.239 --> 0:37:06.680
<v Speaker 2>Mariners are traded for him before the year, you could

0:37:06.680 --> 0:37:10.640
<v Speaker 2>have guaranteed yourself a home run on opening Day, considering

0:37:10.640 --> 0:37:12.359
<v Speaker 2>a home runs on opening Day. He had a home

0:37:12.440 --> 0:37:15.440
<v Speaker 2>run on opening Day every year. But if you're talking

0:37:15.440 --> 0:37:18.320
<v Speaker 2>about you need him for half a season or two months,

0:37:18.840 --> 0:37:20.719
<v Speaker 2>doesn't feel like the most sustainable guy in the world

0:37:20.719 --> 0:37:25.279
<v Speaker 2>you'd trade for. Honestly, between him and Mark Canna, the

0:37:25.320 --> 0:37:28.120
<v Speaker 2>Mariners would probably be more inclined to trade for Canna.

0:37:28.960 --> 0:37:32.040
<v Speaker 1>I agree, And I'm worried if you would even fit

0:37:32.120 --> 0:37:35.560
<v Speaker 1>into T Mobile Park. How much do we have to

0:37:35.600 --> 0:37:39.879
<v Speaker 1>hear complaining about how flyballs don't carry in T Mobile Park? Well,

0:37:39.920 --> 0:37:42.920
<v Speaker 1>Tyler O'Neil this year has the highest fly ball percentage

0:37:43.320 --> 0:37:45.400
<v Speaker 1>and lowest line drive and ground ball rate of his

0:37:45.440 --> 0:37:49.160
<v Speaker 1>career this year, so he's selling out for fly balls. Well,

0:37:49.200 --> 0:37:51.120
<v Speaker 1>it just so happens that T Mobile Park is the

0:37:51.200 --> 0:37:53.879
<v Speaker 1>worst possible park to hit a fly ball in. Does

0:37:53.920 --> 0:37:58.239
<v Speaker 1>that fit? No? Not really. It's a little better in

0:37:58.280 --> 0:38:04.440
<v Speaker 1>the summer, little bit, yeah, but still not great even

0:38:04.640 --> 0:38:07.560
<v Speaker 1>when it warms up. It still warms up everywhere else too.

0:38:08.440 --> 0:38:08.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:38:08.960 --> 0:38:13.280
<v Speaker 2>Really, this feels like a little too polarizing a player

0:38:13.960 --> 0:38:16.400
<v Speaker 2>for Jerry and justin to go trade for and for

0:38:16.480 --> 0:38:19.320
<v Speaker 2>a guy that you're not really gonna know what you're getting.

0:38:20.120 --> 0:38:22.640
<v Speaker 1>And it's not just this year that he's been checkl

0:38:22.719 --> 0:38:24.680
<v Speaker 1>and hide. Just look at how his career was. He

0:38:25.239 --> 0:38:27.560
<v Speaker 1>in twenty twenty one he had his major breakout, he's

0:38:27.560 --> 0:38:29.360
<v Speaker 1>great in the field, he had a one forty three

0:38:29.400 --> 0:38:32.040
<v Speaker 1>WRC plus, and then in the last two years in

0:38:32.080 --> 0:38:36.480
<v Speaker 1>Saint Louis he was a league average hitter. So who

0:38:36.520 --> 0:38:40.879
<v Speaker 1>are you getting right? Everyone thought Tyler O'Neil was a star,

0:38:41.000 --> 0:38:42.600
<v Speaker 1>gonna be a star in twenty twenty one after that,

0:38:42.800 --> 0:38:45.319
<v Speaker 1>but he couldn't get it. I know, things didn't really

0:38:45.360 --> 0:38:47.359
<v Speaker 1>work out in the Cardinals organization. It was a really

0:38:47.920 --> 0:38:52.000
<v Speaker 1>weird relationship. But I mean even this year, it's been

0:38:52.400 --> 0:38:54.680
<v Speaker 1>up and then it's been down, the highest of highs

0:38:54.680 --> 0:38:57.200
<v Speaker 1>and the lowest of lows. So if you catch him

0:38:57.200 --> 0:38:58.920
<v Speaker 1>on his two month hot streak at the end of

0:38:58.960 --> 0:39:01.799
<v Speaker 1>the season, then Jerry Depoto will look like an absolute

0:39:01.800 --> 0:39:04.440
<v Speaker 1>genius for swinging this trade, Because, to be honest, Love,

0:39:04.440 --> 0:39:07.880
<v Speaker 1>if you think about it, right handed hitting power for

0:39:08.200 --> 0:39:12.000
<v Speaker 1>consistently for two months is something the lineup could use,

0:39:12.920 --> 0:39:16.880
<v Speaker 1>but you're not guaranteed to get it. No.

0:39:17.400 --> 0:39:20.040
<v Speaker 2>Again, this just doesn't feel like the player they would

0:39:20.040 --> 0:39:22.759
<v Speaker 2>trade for. No matter what, whether he's hot or not,

0:39:23.000 --> 0:39:25.839
<v Speaker 2>you're getting a ton of strikeouts and I don't think

0:39:25.880 --> 0:39:28.799
<v Speaker 2>the Mariners or any fans for that matter, can put

0:39:28.880 --> 0:39:31.520
<v Speaker 2>up with any more strikeouts, especially if strikeouts are gonna

0:39:31.520 --> 0:39:33.160
<v Speaker 2>go up by acquiring Tyler O'Neil.

0:39:34.080 --> 0:39:37.239
<v Speaker 1>How about a less boom or bust outfield option and

0:39:37.280 --> 0:39:41.520
<v Speaker 1>a more consistent offensive player. How about Michael Confordo, thirty

0:39:41.560 --> 0:39:44.640
<v Speaker 1>one year old outfielder for the San Francisco Giants is

0:39:44.640 --> 0:39:47.680
<v Speaker 1>a one to twenty six WRC plus this year. He's

0:39:47.719 --> 0:39:52.799
<v Speaker 1>a rental making eighteen million dollars this year. Average strikeout rate,

0:39:52.960 --> 0:39:56.160
<v Speaker 1>average walk rate, hits, a ton of line drives. Is

0:39:56.239 --> 0:39:59.440
<v Speaker 1>not an over the top power guy. What do you think.

0:39:59.280 --> 0:40:02.799
<v Speaker 3>About this and Seattle Royalty? Mm?

0:40:03.239 --> 0:40:06.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he was.

0:40:06.360 --> 0:40:09.760
<v Speaker 2>He went to Redmond High School, which is not our rival.

0:40:09.880 --> 0:40:12.080
<v Speaker 2>It's not Lake Washington High School's rival. It would be

0:40:12.239 --> 0:40:15.879
<v Speaker 2>like I guess the it would almost be like your

0:40:15.920 --> 0:40:19.240
<v Speaker 2>inner league rival because Lake Washington Redmen were in different

0:40:20.239 --> 0:40:22.600
<v Speaker 2>regions like three A, four A. It would almost be

0:40:22.719 --> 0:40:25.440
<v Speaker 2>like how the Yankees' main rival is obviously the Red Sox,

0:40:25.480 --> 0:40:27.200
<v Speaker 2>but then it would kind of be like the Yankees

0:40:27.280 --> 0:40:29.359
<v Speaker 2>Mets thing. That's like what Lake Washington and Redmond High

0:40:29.360 --> 0:40:34.640
<v Speaker 2>School are like. Anyway, Michael Canfordo as a baseball player,

0:40:34.920 --> 0:40:38.719
<v Speaker 2>as a professional baseball player, yeah, sure, for half a year,

0:40:38.719 --> 0:40:42.279
<v Speaker 2>this could make a lot of sense. Now, something you're

0:40:42.320 --> 0:40:45.319
<v Speaker 2>going to have to take into account. He has been

0:40:46.280 --> 0:40:49.640
<v Speaker 2>platoon ish in his career. I'm not saying he always

0:40:49.640 --> 0:40:52.080
<v Speaker 2>gets used as a platoon bat, but his lefty righty

0:40:52.160 --> 0:41:00.319
<v Speaker 2>splits have have some fluctuation in his career. But even

0:41:00.360 --> 0:41:02.640
<v Speaker 2>with that, even though he's much better against righty's than lefties,

0:41:03.520 --> 0:41:07.000
<v Speaker 2>he hits. And if you need a secondary bat that

0:41:07.120 --> 0:41:09.879
<v Speaker 2>can play some outfield, play some DH it's a lot

0:41:09.920 --> 0:41:12.879
<v Speaker 2>of left handed outfielders, but it's a guy that could

0:41:12.920 --> 0:41:13.520
<v Speaker 2>make some sense.

0:41:14.800 --> 0:41:18.600
<v Speaker 1>The lefty outfield stacking thing is real because as of

0:41:18.680 --> 0:41:21.400
<v Speaker 1>right now, the Mariners don't need a lefty outfielder, which

0:41:21.960 --> 0:41:23.319
<v Speaker 1>you know, it would just be kind of weird to

0:41:23.320 --> 0:41:27.279
<v Speaker 1>carry three left handed hitting corner outfielders. Doesn't really fit

0:41:27.320 --> 0:41:29.960
<v Speaker 1>on a roster and doesn't fit for how the Mariners

0:41:30.880 --> 0:41:36.439
<v Speaker 1>manage and structure their roster around a matchup the other.

0:41:36.760 --> 0:41:39.120
<v Speaker 1>There's another interesting thing. He's you know, he's walked a

0:41:39.120 --> 0:41:41.200
<v Speaker 1>bunch in his career, over ten percent of the time

0:41:41.280 --> 0:41:44.800
<v Speaker 1>for his career, but it's down this year. He was

0:41:44.920 --> 0:41:47.399
<v Speaker 1>only a league average hitter last year, and the year

0:41:47.440 --> 0:41:49.759
<v Speaker 1>before that he missed the entire season with what I

0:41:49.760 --> 0:41:53.960
<v Speaker 1>believe was a shoulder injury. He's not the healthiest guy

0:41:53.960 --> 0:41:56.040
<v Speaker 1>in the world, and he's not a good defender in

0:41:56.120 --> 0:42:00.760
<v Speaker 1>the outfield. So the bat itself right now looks good.

0:42:01.640 --> 0:42:04.520
<v Speaker 1>But remember he's on the other side of thirty. He's

0:42:04.560 --> 0:42:08.040
<v Speaker 1>had injury injury issues in the past, and he's not

0:42:08.080 --> 0:42:13.399
<v Speaker 1>a great defender. So this feels like if they were

0:42:13.440 --> 0:42:16.640
<v Speaker 1>really gonna trade for him, does this almost feel like

0:42:16.680 --> 0:42:19.520
<v Speaker 1>he would be a DH sort of.

0:42:20.040 --> 0:42:22.000
<v Speaker 2>And again, the reason I'm somewhat open minded to it

0:42:22.040 --> 0:42:24.040
<v Speaker 2>is I do like the fact he can barrel it up.

0:42:24.120 --> 0:42:26.200
<v Speaker 2>I do like the fact he doesn't strike out a ton.

0:42:26.719 --> 0:42:29.640
<v Speaker 2>Just if you're if I know, the left handed corner

0:42:29.680 --> 0:42:33.440
<v Speaker 2>outfield thing is gonna get crowded. I'm just thinking of,

0:42:33.520 --> 0:42:36.840
<v Speaker 2>how do you get the offense better with a secondary piece.

0:42:38.320 --> 0:42:40.480
<v Speaker 3>Confordo has a chance to do that.

0:42:40.560 --> 0:42:43.920
<v Speaker 2>Yes, you would force guys like Canzone or Rali or

0:42:43.960 --> 0:42:48.600
<v Speaker 2>even maybe Canforida to start facing lefties more. But I

0:42:48.719 --> 0:42:52.080
<v Speaker 2>still feel like it's worth the consideration. Considering again, Michael

0:42:52.080 --> 0:42:54.040
<v Speaker 2>Confordo is having a good year this year. I know

0:42:54.080 --> 0:42:55.640
<v Speaker 2>his walks are down, but he is having a good

0:42:55.680 --> 0:42:56.640
<v Speaker 2>year and he barrels it up.

0:42:59.040 --> 0:43:03.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so I think it would work. The other thing

0:43:03.239 --> 0:43:06.120
<v Speaker 1>to note, as he's one of two giants on this list,

0:43:06.920 --> 0:43:08.600
<v Speaker 1>giants are right in the thick of the wild card

0:43:08.719 --> 0:43:11.399
<v Speaker 1>race right now, so it doesn't necessarily mean he would

0:43:11.400 --> 0:43:14.240
<v Speaker 1>be available, but he would not cost that much.

0:43:14.520 --> 0:43:16.120
<v Speaker 3>No, no, not for half a year.

0:43:16.360 --> 0:43:16.440
<v Speaker 1>Oh.

0:43:16.520 --> 0:43:18.960
<v Speaker 2>I should clarify too, in case I didn't make it

0:43:18.960 --> 0:43:21.279
<v Speaker 2>clear if my Opnfordo is way older than the two

0:43:21.320 --> 0:43:21.799
<v Speaker 2>of us are.

0:43:21.920 --> 0:43:23.840
<v Speaker 3>I never like played him in high school or anything

0:43:23.840 --> 0:43:23.920
<v Speaker 3>like that.

0:43:24.000 --> 0:43:25.560
<v Speaker 2>When I was bringing up the high school thing, because

0:43:25.560 --> 0:43:27.239
<v Speaker 2>he went to high school right before we were in

0:43:27.320 --> 0:43:29.640
<v Speaker 2>high school. It was just he went to the secondary

0:43:29.760 --> 0:43:32.919
<v Speaker 2>rival school, that's all. But but yeah, I'd be open

0:43:32.960 --> 0:43:35.879
<v Speaker 2>to this. I'd be like, again, it would cause some

0:43:36.360 --> 0:43:39.240
<v Speaker 2>maneuvering on the roster, and it would cause Scott's Service

0:43:39.280 --> 0:43:42.200
<v Speaker 2>and Jared Depoto to have to think of some you

0:43:42.239 --> 0:43:45.400
<v Speaker 2>know tweaked strategies for how to best put out a

0:43:45.440 --> 0:43:46.200
<v Speaker 2>lineup every day.

0:43:46.280 --> 0:43:48.560
<v Speaker 3>But if this is the guy that's.

0:43:48.400 --> 0:43:52.880
<v Speaker 2>Available and you need two bats or you feel like

0:43:52.960 --> 0:43:57.120
<v Speaker 2>you do one top level guy and one secondary level guy,

0:43:57.200 --> 0:43:58.600
<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying it's the guy at the top of

0:43:58.640 --> 0:44:01.359
<v Speaker 2>your list, but he has been otavity won't cost a lot,

0:44:01.800 --> 0:44:04.000
<v Speaker 2>could be worth a thought now.

0:44:04.040 --> 0:44:07.520
<v Speaker 1>Well. Some may think Michael Confordo would be the best

0:44:07.560 --> 0:44:09.600
<v Speaker 1>hit of this group. I actually think the last two

0:44:09.680 --> 0:44:14.320
<v Speaker 1>guys are the two best hitting options, pure hitting options

0:44:14.760 --> 0:44:17.399
<v Speaker 1>that the Mariners could go out and trade for on

0:44:17.440 --> 0:44:20.840
<v Speaker 1>this list of secondary options. But before we get there, guys,

0:44:21.600 --> 0:44:23.520
<v Speaker 1>summer is here, and that means it's time to get

0:44:23.560 --> 0:44:25.759
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0:44:25.760 --> 0:44:27.880
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<v Speaker 1>border for our penn ultimate guy on this trade listlyle

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<v Speaker 1>A catcher Danny Jansen. He's scheduled to be a free

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<v Speaker 1>agent after this season. He's split time catching with Alejandro

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<v Speaker 1>Kirk the last few years, and this dude mashes a

0:45:49.960 --> 0:45:53.040
<v Speaker 1>one forty two WRC plus this year. He was at

0:45:53.040 --> 0:45:57.200
<v Speaker 1>one sixteen last year and one forty one in twenty

0:45:57.320 --> 0:46:01.839
<v Speaker 1>twenty two. This dude hits, and I honestly think this

0:46:01.880 --> 0:46:05.640
<v Speaker 1>guy the value of bringing this guy over to split

0:46:05.680 --> 0:46:08.320
<v Speaker 1>time with Cal Ray would be immensely valuable.

0:46:09.719 --> 0:46:13.000
<v Speaker 2>He's got nearly one and a half af war in

0:46:13.160 --> 0:46:17.680
<v Speaker 2>thirty three games. He's been good. He's been very good.

0:46:18.200 --> 0:46:23.480
<v Speaker 2>Here's my retort, how do you manage having three catchers

0:46:23.480 --> 0:46:26.160
<v Speaker 2>on the roster that all need playing time right now?

0:46:26.200 --> 0:46:27.960
<v Speaker 2>It's a little bit different because yes, they have three

0:46:28.040 --> 0:46:32.040
<v Speaker 2>catchers on the roster, but Sebi Zavala feels like he's

0:46:32.360 --> 0:46:34.920
<v Speaker 2>been in the doghouse for a bit. He's on the roster,

0:46:35.360 --> 0:46:39.080
<v Speaker 2>he's barely playing. So if you were to alter that

0:46:39.280 --> 0:46:42.120
<v Speaker 2>and have Cal, Danny Jansen, and Mitch Garver all on

0:46:42.120 --> 0:46:44.480
<v Speaker 2>the roster, how do you get all those guys in

0:46:44.560 --> 0:46:45.600
<v Speaker 2>the lineup enough?

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<v Speaker 1>I think this trade would make a lot more sense

0:46:49.320 --> 0:46:51.719
<v Speaker 1>if Mitch Garver starts hitting the cover off the ball

0:46:51.760 --> 0:46:55.080
<v Speaker 1>the next two months leading up to the deadline. Therefore,

0:46:55.120 --> 0:46:57.640
<v Speaker 1>you feel very comfortable that he doesn't have to go

0:46:57.760 --> 0:47:02.879
<v Speaker 1>back behind the plate, and that you can. Essentially, it's

0:47:02.920 --> 0:47:06.560
<v Speaker 1>like addition by sub not even addition by subtraction, but

0:47:07.120 --> 0:47:12.160
<v Speaker 1>you would manage you You could justify trading to have

0:47:12.239 --> 0:47:14.359
<v Speaker 1>cow split time, and then you could swap guys out

0:47:14.400 --> 0:47:17.399
<v Speaker 1>of the d H spot as you have the left

0:47:17.400 --> 0:47:19.680
<v Speaker 1>handed hitting cow and then the two right handed hitters

0:47:19.760 --> 0:47:26.640
<v Speaker 1>Jansen and Garver. And ultimately, while like besides the fact

0:47:26.680 --> 0:47:30.120
<v Speaker 1>of taking some of the stress off of Calc, this

0:47:30.200 --> 0:47:33.359
<v Speaker 1>dude just gets so beat up back there, especially as

0:47:33.400 --> 0:47:36.680
<v Speaker 1>the season wears down. He's gonna need off days, He's

0:47:36.680 --> 0:47:40.120
<v Speaker 1>gonna need rest days, and I think Jansen, in his

0:47:40.160 --> 0:47:42.279
<v Speaker 1>one forty two worc plus can be the guy to

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<v Speaker 1>do that.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, there's a lot of reasons that make sense. It's

0:47:46.200 --> 0:47:48.280
<v Speaker 2>another guy that would be a rental, so he probably

0:47:48.320 --> 0:47:49.359
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't cost that much.

0:47:49.400 --> 0:47:51.080
<v Speaker 3>I don't think the Blue Jays can get that much

0:47:51.120 --> 0:47:51.799
<v Speaker 3>back for him.

0:47:51.960 --> 0:47:55.120
<v Speaker 2>And I love the fact that he walks about eleven

0:47:55.120 --> 0:47:57.520
<v Speaker 2>percent of the time. I love the fact that he

0:47:57.680 --> 0:48:02.200
<v Speaker 2>is a fifteen percent strikeout rate guy. Talk about a

0:48:02.239 --> 0:48:05.920
<v Speaker 2>boost for the Mariners in that department. It's just again,

0:48:06.200 --> 0:48:08.440
<v Speaker 2>how do you manage the three catchers. You can do it,

0:48:08.680 --> 0:48:10.640
<v Speaker 2>and you're right. If Mitch Garver really gets going here

0:48:10.680 --> 0:48:14.280
<v Speaker 2>in the next six weeks, this conversation gets much more real.

0:48:14.880 --> 0:48:18.640
<v Speaker 2>But like every guy on this roster, there is some

0:48:19.640 --> 0:48:22.000
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to say hold back, but some caveat.

0:48:22.400 --> 0:48:24.400
<v Speaker 2>So there is just the thought of how do you

0:48:24.400 --> 0:48:24.960
<v Speaker 2>manage it all?

0:48:27.440 --> 0:48:29.920
<v Speaker 1>How would you manage it on your roster? Your current

0:48:30.000 --> 0:48:33.120
<v Speaker 1>roster would be really the question because Jansen's played part

0:48:33.160 --> 0:48:35.759
<v Speaker 1>time pretty much his entire career, so it would be

0:48:35.760 --> 0:48:39.160
<v Speaker 1>nothing new to him. That's true, not playing every single day.

0:48:39.160 --> 0:48:43.160
<v Speaker 1>He's managed to be this productive, not facing pitchers every

0:48:43.200 --> 0:48:45.799
<v Speaker 1>single day, which is which is remarkable. And even like

0:48:46.400 --> 0:48:48.600
<v Speaker 1>Cal's like, man, you guys trade it for another catcher,

0:48:48.880 --> 0:48:52.080
<v Speaker 1>It's like, well, no, Cal, knowing that Danny Janson's not

0:48:52.080 --> 0:48:54.800
<v Speaker 1>going to be a Seattle Mariner next year, highly unlikely

0:48:54.840 --> 0:48:56.560
<v Speaker 1>he would be a Briner next year. This would be

0:48:57.000 --> 0:49:02.320
<v Speaker 1>a two month arrangement. But he swats homers, walks, doesn't

0:49:02.320 --> 0:49:06.040
<v Speaker 1>strike out a whole lot. He's really a dead pole guy. Really,

0:49:06.040 --> 0:49:09.840
<v Speaker 1>He's like a Brian Doser level home run hitter, pull

0:49:10.440 --> 0:49:13.960
<v Speaker 1>hould fly balls, so works out. But I like this

0:49:14.080 --> 0:49:16.959
<v Speaker 1>idea because I think it would benefit Cal so much

0:49:17.000 --> 0:49:20.640
<v Speaker 1>to have Danny Jansen there, just take the pressure off

0:49:20.680 --> 0:49:21.239
<v Speaker 1>him a little bit.

0:49:22.000 --> 0:49:24.760
<v Speaker 2>So maybe you could operate like this. Cal catches behind

0:49:24.760 --> 0:49:27.680
<v Speaker 2>the plate four days a week. Jansen catches three days

0:49:27.680 --> 0:49:30.880
<v Speaker 2>a week, and then additionally, you get cal one DH

0:49:31.000 --> 0:49:32.880
<v Speaker 2>day in addition to the four days behind the plate.

0:49:33.280 --> 0:49:37.560
<v Speaker 3>Sounds right, that would probably do a lot for cal Raley, keep.

0:49:37.440 --> 0:49:39.839
<v Speaker 1>Him left bang up, and that would still give Mitch

0:49:39.880 --> 0:49:44.200
<v Speaker 1>Garver at least five days hitting if he's hitting right.

0:49:44.280 --> 0:49:48.520
<v Speaker 1>This is contingent on Mitch Garver hitting right, because we

0:49:48.640 --> 0:49:51.759
<v Speaker 1>know Mitch Garver's not getting jettisoned off the roster because

0:49:51.760 --> 0:49:55.600
<v Speaker 1>he makes a lot of money. So if the backup

0:49:55.640 --> 0:49:58.960
<v Speaker 1>catcher position is open and Garver's not occupying it because

0:49:58.960 --> 0:50:01.799
<v Speaker 1>he's not hitting, I think Jansen makes a lot of sense.

0:50:01.840 --> 0:50:03.560
<v Speaker 1>Like just if you think about it in a sense

0:50:03.640 --> 0:50:05.239
<v Speaker 1>right now of how the Mariners are operating, would you

0:50:05.320 --> 0:50:08.200
<v Speaker 1>rather have Sebbi Savala or Danny Jansen on the roster?

0:50:09.120 --> 0:50:10.239
<v Speaker 3>Right there?

0:50:10.239 --> 0:50:15.160
<v Speaker 2>You go, Yeah it's Jansen, yo, So sure, Yeah, it's

0:50:15.160 --> 0:50:18.040
<v Speaker 2>a decent idea. Now, I would hope that would fire

0:50:18.080 --> 0:50:21.400
<v Speaker 2>people up. If the Mariner's deadline was they traded for

0:50:21.520 --> 0:50:25.160
<v Speaker 2>Brent Rooker and also traded for Danny Jansen, that's a

0:50:25.200 --> 0:50:27.960
<v Speaker 2>pretty good deadline. That's two real bats that you acquired.

0:50:28.960 --> 0:50:30.480
<v Speaker 1>Is it a hot take to say this would be

0:50:30.560 --> 0:50:33.080
<v Speaker 1>the most realistic Toronto Blue Jays trade option.

0:50:34.200 --> 0:50:37.319
<v Speaker 2>No, no, it wouldn't because the Mariners aren't gonna want

0:50:37.320 --> 0:50:41.120
<v Speaker 2>to give up a huge package for either Vladdie or

0:50:41.200 --> 0:50:44.560
<v Speaker 2>boushett I would assume. Now Lattie's heating up, but so

0:50:44.719 --> 0:50:48.440
<v Speaker 2>is ty France. So how much the Mariners want to

0:50:48.480 --> 0:50:51.200
<v Speaker 2>trade for a first basement with no defensive no defensive value,

0:50:51.239 --> 0:50:53.040
<v Speaker 2>no value on the bas pads when you have a

0:50:53.040 --> 0:50:56.799
<v Speaker 2>first basement playing very very well, we'll see. But for

0:50:56.880 --> 0:50:59.480
<v Speaker 2>two months of Danny Jansen, two months of essentially a

0:50:59.480 --> 0:51:02.120
<v Speaker 2>backup catch, how much can that even cost?

0:51:02.520 --> 0:51:05.240
<v Speaker 3>Probably very little, very little.

0:51:05.440 --> 0:51:08.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Again, already plays half the time, right, so.

0:51:09.880 --> 0:51:12.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, would make a lot of sense. Danny Jansen for

0:51:12.120 --> 0:51:14.640
<v Speaker 2>a few years now has been the best number two

0:51:14.680 --> 0:51:17.279
<v Speaker 2>catcher in baseball. There was a year that people were

0:51:17.280 --> 0:51:19.960
<v Speaker 2>talking about him and Kirk as both top ten catchers,

0:51:20.000 --> 0:51:21.000
<v Speaker 2>even though they split time.

0:51:21.520 --> 0:51:21.719
<v Speaker 3>Right.

0:51:21.920 --> 0:51:25.120
<v Speaker 1>So now, notice we're not talking about Alejandro Kirk because

0:51:25.120 --> 0:51:26.600
<v Speaker 1>he is not played as well.

0:51:27.000 --> 0:51:29.759
<v Speaker 2>No, no, he hasn't you know a guy who has

0:51:29.760 --> 0:51:33.319
<v Speaker 2>played well though, last guy on the list, we saved

0:51:33.400 --> 0:51:37.200
<v Speaker 2>him for last. In terms of underrated trade targets, I

0:51:37.239 --> 0:51:38.840
<v Speaker 2>think this is the one we're most fired up to

0:51:38.880 --> 0:51:43.160
<v Speaker 2>talk about Lamont Wade, Junior of the San Francisco Giants

0:51:43.200 --> 0:51:48.040
<v Speaker 2>Late Night Lamont for the year he is he has

0:51:48.120 --> 0:51:52.000
<v Speaker 2>corralled an eight ninety six ops. He's got two bombs,

0:51:52.080 --> 0:51:57.440
<v Speaker 2>but don't let that fool you. One sixty eight WRC

0:51:57.560 --> 0:52:01.560
<v Speaker 2>plus and an f war of nearly two. He's got

0:52:01.560 --> 0:52:03.640
<v Speaker 2>a year and a half a club control. He has

0:52:03.680 --> 0:52:07.080
<v Speaker 2>been the Giants' best hitter. Go look at his savant page. People,

0:52:07.320 --> 0:52:10.320
<v Speaker 2>you want a fun exercise, go on to Lamont Waite's

0:52:10.360 --> 0:52:13.920
<v Speaker 2>baseball savant page and pull it up, because it is

0:52:14.239 --> 0:52:16.600
<v Speaker 2>We've used the term bright red kool aid on this

0:52:16.640 --> 0:52:20.279
<v Speaker 2>podcast before. That's what a savant page looks like. It

0:52:20.360 --> 0:52:24.120
<v Speaker 2>is bright red. So how are we feeling.

0:52:25.800 --> 0:52:28.719
<v Speaker 1>Let's put to some context how good his savant page is.

0:52:28.880 --> 0:52:31.400
<v Speaker 1>At the time of his tweet from Michael Fisher of CODEFI,

0:52:32.800 --> 0:52:36.160
<v Speaker 1>so he listed out how many one hundred percentile stat

0:52:36.239 --> 0:52:40.040
<v Speaker 1>cast rankings you have on your page? And he listed

0:52:40.360 --> 0:52:42.439
<v Speaker 1>it was a ranking of players in baseball. So Aaron

0:52:42.520 --> 0:52:46.120
<v Speaker 1>Judge leads all of baseball. He has nine. Juan Soto

0:52:46.480 --> 0:52:48.960
<v Speaker 1>is second, he has six. Should be unfair the Yankees

0:52:49.000 --> 0:52:52.560
<v Speaker 1>have top two, but is what it is. Bobby Wit

0:52:52.680 --> 0:52:56.239
<v Speaker 1>and Luisa rise Eats have three and then at two

0:52:56.440 --> 0:53:00.480
<v Speaker 1>the list goes show Heyo, Tani, John Carlos, Stanton O'Neil

0:53:00.560 --> 0:53:05.320
<v Speaker 1>Cruz and Lamont Wade. Sounds like a group you would

0:53:05.680 --> 0:53:09.560
<v Speaker 1>want to be a part of. This is the best

0:53:09.560 --> 0:53:14.759
<v Speaker 1>guy on this list. Now there's a problem here, So

0:53:14.800 --> 0:53:17.560
<v Speaker 1>I mentioned above with Michael Confordo. The Giants are in

0:53:17.719 --> 0:53:21.040
<v Speaker 1>the playoff hunt right now. They are five hundred, a

0:53:21.080 --> 0:53:23.560
<v Speaker 1>five hundred team that is right there for the third

0:53:23.600 --> 0:53:26.600
<v Speaker 1>wildcard in the National League. Time will tell whether they

0:53:26.600 --> 0:53:29.360
<v Speaker 1>will be there in two mounts, but the third wild

0:53:29.400 --> 0:53:34.040
<v Speaker 1>card offers a lot of optimism to teams. So not

0:53:34.120 --> 0:53:37.560
<v Speaker 1>only is lamont Wade under contract next year as well,

0:53:38.480 --> 0:53:41.319
<v Speaker 1>meaning the Giants don't have to deal him if they

0:53:41.320 --> 0:53:46.080
<v Speaker 1>don't want to, but he's also their best player. So

0:53:46.640 --> 0:53:52.319
<v Speaker 1>asking a contending team to trade their best player in

0:53:52.360 --> 0:53:55.840
<v Speaker 1>the middle of a playoff chase is a steep asque,

0:53:55.960 --> 0:53:58.200
<v Speaker 1>and with the Giants not being pushed into a corner

0:53:58.200 --> 0:54:00.920
<v Speaker 1>with him not being a free agent until after next season,

0:54:01.960 --> 0:54:06.400
<v Speaker 1>the price for a platoon bat pretty much if what

0:54:06.520 --> 0:54:10.080
<v Speaker 1>lamon Waite has done. He's only had twelve at bats

0:54:10.080 --> 0:54:14.640
<v Speaker 1>against lefties this year, as a left handed hitter. Doesn't

0:54:14.640 --> 0:54:15.800
<v Speaker 1>that seem like a little much.

0:54:17.760 --> 0:54:20.640
<v Speaker 2>Here's the only thing I'd say. I know, the Giants

0:54:20.640 --> 0:54:24.120
<v Speaker 2>are within a couple games of the wildcard. They're also

0:54:24.239 --> 0:54:27.040
<v Speaker 2>three under five hundred and look, the NL wildcard has

0:54:27.080 --> 0:54:31.120
<v Speaker 2>been awful this year, that third wildcard specifically terrible. I

0:54:31.120 --> 0:54:34.920
<v Speaker 2>would be interested to see what that wildcard standings page

0:54:34.960 --> 0:54:38.480
<v Speaker 2>looks like at the end of July, if anybody's gotten hot,

0:54:38.520 --> 0:54:41.280
<v Speaker 2>if anybody's caught fire and created some separation.

0:54:41.600 --> 0:54:42.040
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

0:54:42.840 --> 0:54:46.360
<v Speaker 2>But if the Giants are really trying to get the

0:54:46.440 --> 0:54:51.680
<v Speaker 2>last wildcard spot with a seventy eight win season, that

0:54:51.719 --> 0:54:53.680
<v Speaker 2>doesn't feel like a team that's winning the World Series,

0:54:53.719 --> 0:54:55.239
<v Speaker 2>that doesn't feel like a team that's getting past the

0:54:55.239 --> 0:54:57.200
<v Speaker 2>wildcard round. They might get swept in two games in

0:54:57.239 --> 0:55:00.400
<v Speaker 2>the wildcard round. So if they don't really they have

0:55:00.480 --> 0:55:03.680
<v Speaker 2>the talent to do anything, would they really be that

0:55:04.719 --> 0:55:07.960
<v Speaker 2>hesitant to trade lamont Wade. It's like the Mariners, for example,

0:55:08.040 --> 0:55:11.080
<v Speaker 2>right we know why the Mariners traded policy walled last year.

0:55:11.360 --> 0:55:14.480
<v Speaker 2>Some people understood it, most people understood it. There were

0:55:14.520 --> 0:55:17.120
<v Speaker 2>still people that were unhappy with it out there in

0:55:17.120 --> 0:55:20.759
<v Speaker 2>the Mariners world. But despite being a contending team. The

0:55:20.800 --> 0:55:24.000
<v Speaker 2>Mariner still made that trade. So could the Giants be

0:55:24.120 --> 0:55:26.440
<v Speaker 2>that sort of team this year? We're sure they're contending

0:55:26.880 --> 0:55:30.000
<v Speaker 2>by definition, but they still go out and trade away

0:55:30.040 --> 0:55:32.080
<v Speaker 2>some established players.

0:55:33.680 --> 0:55:37.480
<v Speaker 1>Nothing's impossible really if.

0:55:36.800 --> 0:55:39.560
<v Speaker 2>They're yeah, if they're gonna win seventy eight games, I

0:55:39.560 --> 0:55:42.160
<v Speaker 2>don't see why they're so inclined to hold on a

0:55:42.239 --> 0:55:42.920
<v Speaker 2>Lamont Wade.

0:55:43.520 --> 0:55:47.239
<v Speaker 1>Here's a question I have. I am wondering what his

0:55:48.280 --> 0:55:50.680
<v Speaker 1>value will be two months from now, because let's give

0:55:50.719 --> 0:55:53.560
<v Speaker 1>some context. Right now, he's hurt. He'll probably be out

0:55:53.560 --> 0:55:56.960
<v Speaker 1>the rest of this month. Right I forget exactly what

0:55:57.040 --> 0:55:59.560
<v Speaker 1>he hurt, but it was a four week minimum injury

0:56:00.320 --> 0:56:03.960
<v Speaker 1>the last week of May, so that puts him back

0:56:04.080 --> 0:56:11.640
<v Speaker 1>on the Giants roster and a June. Also, he's been

0:56:11.640 --> 0:56:14.000
<v Speaker 1>a little lucky this year. Not gonna lie. It helps

0:56:14.000 --> 0:56:16.080
<v Speaker 1>that he walks twenty percent of the time. It shrinks

0:56:16.080 --> 0:56:19.240
<v Speaker 1>the sample size, But his babib is over four sixty.

0:56:20.239 --> 0:56:26.960
<v Speaker 1>It's a little high, it's a little a little. It

0:56:27.080 --> 0:56:29.080
<v Speaker 1>just tells you that there could be there's there's some

0:56:29.120 --> 0:56:30.240
<v Speaker 1>regression in this profile.

0:56:30.320 --> 0:56:30.520
<v Speaker 3>Now.

0:56:31.360 --> 0:56:33.839
<v Speaker 1>Still doesn't mean he's not hitting the ball at the

0:56:33.880 --> 0:56:37.400
<v Speaker 1>best quality possible, which he is baseball savant, says so,

0:56:38.080 --> 0:56:41.520
<v Speaker 1>but I will see it doesn't because he's hitting like

0:56:41.600 --> 0:56:45.160
<v Speaker 1>Barry Bonds a little bit this year does not mean

0:56:45.239 --> 0:56:48.200
<v Speaker 1>he's going to keep it up when the team pays

0:56:48.239 --> 0:56:51.239
<v Speaker 1>the price of what he's currently hitting and what he

0:56:51.280 --> 0:56:53.520
<v Speaker 1>actually does when he arrives on his new team if

0:56:53.520 --> 0:56:55.520
<v Speaker 1>he gets traded, so.

0:56:55.560 --> 0:56:57.919
<v Speaker 2>He has a Grade two left hamstring strain for those

0:56:57.920 --> 0:57:02.400
<v Speaker 2>that are interested him out a couple weeks, like you said, Yeah, Also,

0:57:02.480 --> 0:57:07.319
<v Speaker 2>the twenty percent walk rate is crazy. Twenty percent, that's like,

0:57:07.400 --> 0:57:11.160
<v Speaker 2>that's nuts. Now, that probably won't sustain. The Babbitt probably

0:57:11.160 --> 0:57:15.720
<v Speaker 2>won't sustain. And there are questions of say Lamont Wade's

0:57:15.760 --> 0:57:18.960
<v Speaker 2>the secondary bat you acquire, right, this will be the

0:57:19.000 --> 0:57:21.240
<v Speaker 2>best secondary bat you could probably acquire.

0:57:21.280 --> 0:57:23.320
<v Speaker 1>That would be a pretty insane secondary bat.

0:57:24.240 --> 0:57:24.479
<v Speaker 3>Oh.

0:57:24.520 --> 0:57:26.400
<v Speaker 1>I will note this is the one guy and I

0:57:26.480 --> 0:57:28.640
<v Speaker 1>mentioned at the beginning, there's one guy who you could

0:57:28.720 --> 0:57:30.720
<v Speaker 1>argue would be a number one bat, and it would

0:57:30.720 --> 0:57:31.560
<v Speaker 1>be Lamont Waite.

0:57:32.520 --> 0:57:35.320
<v Speaker 2>Okay, then if he's the only bat you acquire, if

0:57:35.320 --> 0:57:37.160
<v Speaker 2>he's the headline bat you acquire, that makes this a

0:57:37.200 --> 0:57:39.320
<v Speaker 2>little different. But I was gonna say, if you acquire

0:57:39.400 --> 0:57:42.880
<v Speaker 2>Lamont Wade, and Brent Rooker. If you acquire Lamont Wade

0:57:42.960 --> 0:57:46.600
<v Speaker 2>and Vladdie, that does make some things tough to assemble

0:57:46.640 --> 0:57:50.880
<v Speaker 2>with the roster. You'd probably move on from Hanneger one

0:57:50.960 --> 0:57:52.760
<v Speaker 2>way or another if you trade for an outfield bat.

0:57:53.000 --> 0:57:56.160
<v Speaker 2>But then if you trade for again, if you essentially

0:57:56.240 --> 0:57:59.680
<v Speaker 2>flip out, let's say Wade for Hanneger, then you've got

0:57:59.680 --> 0:58:02.000
<v Speaker 2>a lot left handed bats all of a sudden. And

0:58:02.040 --> 0:58:05.400
<v Speaker 2>if you were to acquire someone like Laddie, how does

0:58:05.400 --> 0:58:10.280
<v Speaker 2>that work with Vladdie, Wade, Tie and Garver. So, yeah,

0:58:10.280 --> 0:58:12.680
<v Speaker 2>you're right, if they were going to acquire Lamont Wade,

0:58:12.760 --> 0:58:15.720
<v Speaker 2>this might be Lamont Wade might be the guy they

0:58:15.760 --> 0:58:18.600
<v Speaker 2>acquire if they strike out on all the real A

0:58:18.760 --> 0:58:21.560
<v Speaker 2>level bats but still want some impact at the deadline,

0:58:21.600 --> 0:58:23.720
<v Speaker 2>and they settle for him because then you can manage it.

0:58:25.120 --> 0:58:27.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so then it would be Tye, Garver and Wade.

0:58:27.480 --> 0:58:28.840
<v Speaker 1>You would have to find time for it. And he's

0:58:28.880 --> 0:58:32.280
<v Speaker 1>played in the outfield a little bit, so I think

0:58:32.280 --> 0:58:34.479
<v Speaker 1>it's mostly been first base this year. But it doesn't

0:58:34.520 --> 0:58:37.080
<v Speaker 1>mean he can't play in the outfield. You wouldn't wouldn't

0:58:37.080 --> 0:58:40.560
<v Speaker 1>be great in the outfield, but could he be there?

0:58:41.360 --> 0:58:44.040
<v Speaker 2>And you could get him some dhdas too, by putting

0:58:44.040 --> 0:58:46.040
<v Speaker 2>Garver at the backup catcher spot or giving Garbar a

0:58:46.120 --> 0:58:49.560
<v Speaker 2>day off. Yeah, you could make that work by just

0:58:49.640 --> 0:58:52.120
<v Speaker 2>acquiring lamont Wade. But if you have Wade and you

0:58:52.160 --> 0:58:54.400
<v Speaker 2>try to acquire another A level bat, I mean, make

0:58:54.400 --> 0:58:57.760
<v Speaker 2>the team great. That would be awesome because you would

0:58:57.800 --> 0:59:01.360
<v Speaker 2>get two really good bats. How the Mariners would manage

0:59:01.360 --> 0:59:04.320
<v Speaker 2>that roster wise, I don't know, And and for that

0:59:04.400 --> 0:59:06.360
<v Speaker 2>reason I don't. I don't know if they'd give up

0:59:06.520 --> 0:59:10.000
<v Speaker 2>the prospect package that it would cost for each of

0:59:10.040 --> 0:59:11.560
<v Speaker 2>those guys at once.

0:59:12.160 --> 0:59:13.760
<v Speaker 1>It would cost. I think it would cost a lot

0:59:13.800 --> 0:59:17.320
<v Speaker 1>to get lamont Wade out of San Francisco. I think

0:59:17.520 --> 0:59:20.280
<v Speaker 1>it wouldn't cost what you would pay for Flattie. But

0:59:21.240 --> 0:59:24.280
<v Speaker 1>based on where his stock is right now, yeah, I

0:59:24.280 --> 0:59:28.439
<v Speaker 1>think so. All right, So I don't just to think

0:59:28.440 --> 0:59:30.880
<v Speaker 1>of it like so, I don't know in the end,

0:59:30.960 --> 0:59:32.960
<v Speaker 1>if you're trading for him again, I think you're right.

0:59:33.000 --> 0:59:35.600
<v Speaker 1>So Garver would slide to the backup catchurle. I think

0:59:35.680 --> 0:59:37.520
<v Speaker 1>lamont Wade would DH.

0:59:37.720 --> 0:59:40.280
<v Speaker 2>We could some good time and get some additional Yeah,

0:59:40.280 --> 0:59:42.520
<v Speaker 2>I get some additional days at first in the outfield,

0:59:42.560 --> 0:59:44.480
<v Speaker 2>and you have to have them there, but probably he

0:59:44.520 --> 0:59:46.680
<v Speaker 2>would mostly be dhing against right handed pitching.

0:59:46.760 --> 0:59:47.240
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:59:47.560 --> 0:59:52.040
<v Speaker 1>Right, So it's just if you talk yourself into potentially

0:59:52.120 --> 0:59:54.840
<v Speaker 1>sending a blue chip prospect to San Francisco for Lamont

0:59:54.880 --> 1:00:00.200
<v Speaker 1>Wade because here's like this, you know, or not even

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<v Speaker 1>all the eightier guys that we talked about are hitting

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<v Speaker 1>like this.

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<v Speaker 2>It's true, but you you still feel like he would

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<v Speaker 2>cost a blue chip prospect.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know the Giant Again, Giants have leverage since

1:00:15.480 --> 1:00:17.760
<v Speaker 1>he's not he's under contract next year.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, they do.

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<v Speaker 2>I just was under the thought that it would cost

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<v Speaker 2>somebody a little further down your pipeline.

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<v Speaker 3>Again.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe I was even thinking again, somebody a little lower,

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<v Speaker 2>like maybe like the Arroyo range, like past that first

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<v Speaker 2>real wave of guys.

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<v Speaker 1>It's interesting, you know, I'm honestly not sure. Like the number,

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<v Speaker 1>I would say, the numbers in perception are very different.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah they are.

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<v Speaker 2>And again, I don't know what the rest of the

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<v Speaker 2>league values Lamont weigh at. Do Jerry and Justin want

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<v Speaker 2>to trade for a platoon left handed bat. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know either. He he's complicated. I would be very, very interested.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd be happy if they acquired him, but he is

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<v Speaker 2>a complicated trade piece.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, certainly I agree on that. So now that we've

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<v Speaker 1>gotten to the end of this list, is there one

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<v Speaker 1>guy if you were to circle back, that would be

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<v Speaker 1>your number one?

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<v Speaker 3>Are we excluding Wade out of this since he's a

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<v Speaker 3>little different.

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<v Speaker 1>I think yeah. I think Lamont Wade's a pretty obvious

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<v Speaker 1>number one. Besides that, I'd probably say Danny Jansen.

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<v Speaker 2>I was thinking about ken Porto, I was thinking about Randy,

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<v Speaker 2>but it makes the most sense for not having to

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<v Speaker 2>give up much at all in a trade, and the

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<v Speaker 2>fact you get cal off his feet, and the fact

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<v Speaker 2>you're not relying on Garber to catch, and it's a

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<v Speaker 2>real bat with room to go. Get an a level

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<v Speaker 2>bat because acquiring Danny Jansen should not be your headline bat.

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<v Speaker 2>That is very much a move that you can make

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<v Speaker 2>to augment the roster, but to really level it up,

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<v Speaker 2>you go get another bat that's better than Jansen.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree one percent agree. So Danny Jansen, pack your bags,

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<v Speaker 1>You're coming to Seattle. Thank you very much, super quick.

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<v Speaker 1>Just call to action to all of you listening.

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<v Speaker 2>All I was gonna say is if there is anybody

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<v Speaker 2>we left off, tell us who who is somebody under

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<v Speaker 2>the radar you would like to see the Mariners trade for,

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<v Speaker 2>Or who's somebody we didn't mention that you think should

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<v Speaker 2>be on this list. Tell us now leave the A

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<v Speaker 2>level guys off the list, because again, if you want

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<v Speaker 2>to hear about the A level trade guys, go back

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<v Speaker 2>two weeks ago and listen to that podcast episode. But

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<v Speaker 2>under the radar guys, let us know, like, for example,

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<v Speaker 2>we didn't talk about Yondi Diaz. We didn't talk about

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<v Speaker 2>Brian de la Cruz from the Marlins. That's a name

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<v Speaker 2>that's been floated out there a little bit. You've got

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<v Speaker 2>some names that you have in mind that we didn't

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<v Speaker 2>talk about. Tell us maybe they'll be on the next episode.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's go down on the farm. All right lyle who's

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<v Speaker 1>your standout Mariners minor leaguer?

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<v Speaker 2>So we talked about Logan Evans at the start of

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<v Speaker 2>the show, right and how he's transitioning to the bullpen.

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<v Speaker 2>Mariners need some bullpen help. Here's another guy that isn't

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<v Speaker 2>being talked about a lot right now that could absolutely

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<v Speaker 2>help this bullpen post All Star break. His name's Troy Taylor.

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<v Speaker 2>He's in Double A Arkansas right now. Right handed pitcher,

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<v Speaker 2>has a fastball in the mid to upper nineties and

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<v Speaker 2>also has a good slider. Two pitch guy twenty two

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<v Speaker 2>years old, so young, but he is a reliever. Here's

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<v Speaker 2>what he's done this year because he started in Everett,

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<v Speaker 2>then he got promoted up for the year. Troy Taylor

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<v Speaker 2>has an nine er. He's had eight outings in double

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<v Speaker 2>A so far, has not given up a run, He's

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<v Speaker 2>given up just two hits, and he has an eight

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<v Speaker 2>five whip for the season. So allow me to say

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<v Speaker 2>this again. Could the Mariners go acquire a bullpen arm?

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely is Logan. Evan's gonna be up on the roster,

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<v Speaker 2>Sure seems like it now. But if you want another

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<v Speaker 2>bullpen arm that could really provide some reinforcements to this

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<v Speaker 2>bullpen in the second half for a team that's probably

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<v Speaker 2>gonna need it, I would circle Troy Taylor. I would

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<v Speaker 2>keep that eye on him because he is dominated in

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<v Speaker 2>ever it. He's dominating right now in Arkansas. And when

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<v Speaker 2>once you're an Arkansas especially as a reliever, you're one

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<v Speaker 2>call away from the big leagues. There's no reason Troy

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<v Speaker 2>Taylor can't be on this roster this year.

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<v Speaker 1>The Mariners can monitor the trade market and look at

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<v Speaker 1>what the price of a reliever is. But they have

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<v Speaker 1>now too. It seems like more obvious options in house

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<v Speaker 1>what they what they would promote. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>Troy Taylor's next to come up, but hearing the way

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<v Speaker 1>they talk about him, it seems likely that him and

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<v Speaker 1>Logan will see some time in the pen this year.

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<v Speaker 1>And I know Carlos Fargas last time we checked on

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<v Speaker 1>him and Triple A is was not doing great. But

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<v Speaker 1>I know entering the season the Mariners that thought highly

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<v Speaker 1>of him. So like, there are still options within the system,

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<v Speaker 1>and Troy's certainly one of them, and he is earning

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<v Speaker 1>the respect that he's getting. It will be easier for

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<v Speaker 1>the Mariners to call up somebody from the minor leagues

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<v Speaker 1>to fill a bullpen spot than potentially overpay for a

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<v Speaker 1>bullpen arm. I don't consistently say, like, I don't see

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<v Speaker 1>Jerry overpaying for a bullpen arm. So if he wants

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<v Speaker 1>the higher upside guy, it probably is in house, So

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<v Speaker 1>it's gonna be Logan or Troy.

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<v Speaker 2>Ultimately, yeah, I cannot see Jerry and Justin giving up

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<v Speaker 2>one of their upper echelon prospects. For Ryan Helsley. That

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<v Speaker 2>just doesn't seem like a Jerry Depoto type move.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Ryan Helsley would be fun, but yeah, very much.

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<v Speaker 2>Could you see them giving up to somebody within their

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<v Speaker 2>top five to six prospects for him?

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<v Speaker 1>I couldn't, No, and I'm gonna explain why because my

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<v Speaker 1>on the farm Mariner's number five prospect, who I can't

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<v Speaker 1>believe we haven't talked about yet. Felnine Celeston. It is

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<v Speaker 1>casually having an over nine hundred ops in his first

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<v Speaker 1>twenty two pro games in the Complex League as an

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen year old, no big deal, switch hitting shortstop, just

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<v Speaker 1>crushing the ball, controlling the strike sown thirteen walks, seventeen strikeouts. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he's gonna be inhim Deesto soon. Just count it down.

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<v Speaker 1>It's happening, dude.

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<v Speaker 2>Again, I'm not gonna put comps on anybody because it's

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<v Speaker 2>not fair, but I will say it in this way,

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<v Speaker 2>just like how I said a couple of weeks ago

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<v Speaker 2>with lads, the way he's hit in Modesto has looked

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<v Speaker 2>like Jordon Alvarez, even though I'm not saying he's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be Jordan in the big leagues. The way fell

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<v Speaker 2>means playing in the complex league right now. He looks

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<v Speaker 2>like Francisco Lindor, like switch hitter, shortstop power speed. He's nuts.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a guy that would make you feel more comfortable

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<v Speaker 1>trading one of your other shortstop prospects knowing that guy's

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<v Speaker 1>in your system and knowing that you feel more comfortable

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<v Speaker 1>that he's untouchable, you would be more comfortable trading someone else. Yep,

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<v Speaker 1>which is crazy to think about all these all of these,

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<v Speaker 1>all these shortstops in the systems. The last point here,

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<v Speaker 1>that's kind of funny. You and I were talking about

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<v Speaker 1>the Hanneger trade earlier today. It's like, man, wonder what

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<v Speaker 1>Robbie Ray's doing. Well, fil Nean had a hit off

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<v Speaker 1>of Robbie Ray earlier this week, So that's what Robbie

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<v Speaker 1>Ray's doing right now.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, says a lot about Bell nine.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's do this one little fun exercise too before we

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<v Speaker 2>move on, because we were talking about this, who do

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<v Speaker 2>you think the Mariners would be least likely or least

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<v Speaker 2>willing to part ways within a trade? The three guys,

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<v Speaker 2>I said, like, throw out what the third party prospect

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<v Speaker 2>systems have all that?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, go from your gut, what do you think.

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<v Speaker 2>My guess is the three guys they are least willing

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<v Speaker 2>to part with are Colt, Emerson, fel Mean, and Laz.

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<v Speaker 2>I would say those three guys are the guys they

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<v Speaker 2>want the most.

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<v Speaker 1>That would be my three. Let'd say I think the

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<v Speaker 1>top two might be a little more solidified than top three,

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<v Speaker 1>But the top two is Cult and felnine. I like

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<v Speaker 1>both those guys when they get in the swing of things,

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<v Speaker 1>are cult. This week's now top fifteen prospect, filnin in

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<v Speaker 1>a year will be a top fifteen prospect, So that's it.

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<v Speaker 1>Laz has the issue that he's not really he's not

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<v Speaker 1>up the middle guy and eventually we'll probably land at DH.

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<v Speaker 1>But the other two, yeah, are pretty solid. And then

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<v Speaker 1>I think Johnny's the one after that sure for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I was gonna say that that is the

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<v Speaker 2>thing with Laz is obviously he has to hit to

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<v Speaker 2>have value, since he's probably not gonna play the field

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<v Speaker 2>a whole ton in his career. Maybe he'll play first

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<v Speaker 2>base at some point, we'll see. Maybe maybe he learns

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<v Speaker 2>first base and can do that. But just in the

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<v Speaker 2>sense of throwing lads in there, in the sense of

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<v Speaker 2>if he hits and and if he projects how people

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<v Speaker 2>are projecting him and plays like it again, that's that

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<v Speaker 2>has the chance to be a lethal that which is

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<v Speaker 2>why I feel like they probably.

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<v Speaker 3>Want to keep him close.

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<v Speaker 1>Isn't it funny how we didn't even mention two other

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<v Speaker 1>top thirty prospects, Cole Young and Harry Ford, who are

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<v Speaker 1>at the highest levels of the Miners right now. But

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<v Speaker 1>the reason we didn't mention them is because whenever you

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<v Speaker 1>and I are bringing up these trade targets, and it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, put together a package and usually and include

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<v Speaker 1>one of those two guys. So right, not exactly untradeable unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 1>m h.

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<v Speaker 2>Even though yeah, though, like that's just what happens in baseball.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes guys get traded. We don't know if they're going

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<v Speaker 2>to get traded. But if you're just asking what TJ

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<v Speaker 2>and I's guesses are for who the Mariners are most

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<v Speaker 2>likely to hold on.

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<v Speaker 3>To, I would guess it's it's those guys. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So, with that Russell Wilson umpire of the week time,

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<v Speaker 2>we have some requests from the fans, from the listeners.

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<v Speaker 2>We got some messages on Twitter this week saying, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>the Russell Wilson ump of the Week's gonna go hard

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<v Speaker 2>this week because we have a special shout out to

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<v Speaker 2>Hunter Wendelstat who has been on this program before, has

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<v Speaker 2>been on this segment before, but after his horrendous start

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<v Speaker 2>the other night in the first inning between the Mariners

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<v Speaker 2>and A's and in a game in which he looked

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<v Speaker 2>like he was essentially guessing what were balls and strikes,

1:09:55.800 --> 1:09:57.840
<v Speaker 2>paired with people on Twitter saying, oh, this guy has

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<v Speaker 2>to be the winner this week. Fans spoke, we listened,

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<v Speaker 2>He's our winner. Congratulations Hunter Wendell's.

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<v Speaker 1>That and overall for the game, actually a solid performance,

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<v Speaker 1>but because of that first inning, and I think there's

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit of carryover effect from what he did

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<v Speaker 1>to Aaron Boone that he just had to have another appearance.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it just made it easier. Once you embarrass

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<v Speaker 1>yourself like you did when you tossed Aaron Boone out

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<v Speaker 1>of a game for something. A fan said, that makes

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<v Speaker 1>your bar for appearing on this award a whole lot lower.

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<v Speaker 3>Mm hmmm, yes, it does. So.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure there was probably some carryover, but again, paired with

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<v Speaker 2>fans speaking and us being a podcast of the people,

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<v Speaker 2>men of the people, we listened, Hunter Wendell's that's our

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<v Speaker 2>winner and guess what you deserve it? Like again, he

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<v Speaker 2>really did look like he was guessing half the time

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<v Speaker 2>with calling balls and strikes the other night.

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<v Speaker 1>It was not consistent.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I do want to give a shout out though

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<v Speaker 2>to I want to make sure I get the umpire's

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<v Speaker 2>name right here on on Thursday for Thursday's game because

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<v Speaker 2>this thing that happened with Brian Wu when there was

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<v Speaker 2>uh a pitchclock violation called on him, when the homeplate

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<v Speaker 2>umpire literally had his back turned to Wu.

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<v Speaker 3>That was crazy. Did you pick up on that today? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>I did, Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's make sure we get the umpire's name right

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<v Speaker 2>because same series, it's Wendel Stat's crew. But it was

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<v Speaker 2>Nick Marley today and Wu was pissed about it. You

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<v Speaker 2>saw him like barking at the umpire for a good reason.

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<v Speaker 2>He has back turned to Wu and says pitchclock violation

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<v Speaker 2>when he didn't even have his eyes set on the picture.

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<v Speaker 3>So shout out to you, Nick Marley.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure there'll be plenty of accountability for that, that

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<v Speaker 1>harmless mistake.

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<v Speaker 3>There always is there always is, isn't there.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's close out the show. Now, let's speak your mind.

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<v Speaker 1>Speak your mind spot That would be unwise.

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<v Speaker 3>What is necessary is never unwise.

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<v Speaker 1>What is on your mind this week?

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<v Speaker 3>Lyle.

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<v Speaker 2>We talked about it for a minute before we started recording.

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<v Speaker 2>But the NBA Finals reminds me of two things. Number One,

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<v Speaker 2>despite us obviously wanting the Sonics back.

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<v Speaker 3>I just I don't get juiced up for the NBA.

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<v Speaker 2>Finals, To be honest, I watch, but I just feel

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<v Speaker 2>like it's so watered down from how it used to be.

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<v Speaker 2>I it just it's it's just again. For whatever reason,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't get as excited anymore. And I got excited

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<v Speaker 2>in years where the Sonics weren't here anymore too for

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<v Speaker 2>a long time. It's just recent years not as much

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<v Speaker 2>paired with Boston sports fans, or as we like to

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<v Speaker 2>call them, massholes, remind us that they continue to just

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<v Speaker 2>be the most insufferable fans in sports.

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<v Speaker 1>No, yeah, I mean shit, a tear When a Boston

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<v Speaker 1>sports team does not make a finals in any one

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<v Speaker 1>of the four major sports in a given year. Oh

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<v Speaker 1>so difficult, Yeah, so difficult. Welcome to reality, except there

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<v Speaker 1>is no reality because the Celtics are in the finals

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<v Speaker 1>right now. So and just a casual. You know, thirty

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<v Speaker 1>pointed day won. I think Game one, they were up

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<v Speaker 1>thirty in the first half when we hit record here.

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<v Speaker 3>So just.

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<v Speaker 1>A story of trial and hardship and adversity and all

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<v Speaker 1>this stuff. Man.

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<v Speaker 2>So my dad gave me a hard time about this

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<v Speaker 2>back when we had Jared Carabas on, And the next

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<v Speaker 2>time we have him on, I mean, he did say

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<v Speaker 2>he's down to come back on, So I'm sure at

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<v Speaker 2>some point we'll have him back on. I need to

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<v Speaker 2>be better about calling him out for something if we

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<v Speaker 2>hear something that's a little questionable, because well, my dad

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<v Speaker 2>said we should have given him a hard time about

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<v Speaker 2>and we didn't. Was when Carabas was sitting on this

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<v Speaker 2>very program and talking about how, you know, being a

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<v Speaker 2>Red Sox fan these days socks and it's and you

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<v Speaker 2>know they just lose. Well, this fills this plays right

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<v Speaker 2>into the topic we're talking about here, which like a

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<v Speaker 2>Boston sports fans complaining that they've seen four championships in

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<v Speaker 2>their lifetime and now for a couple of years it's

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<v Speaker 2>been hard. Like the next time Gravi is on, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>gonna circle back with this and I'm gonna say, like you.

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<v Speaker 3>Know you're on a Mariners podcast, right, Like, so.

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<v Speaker 1>You're talking about only four championships in your lifetime a

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<v Speaker 1>couple losing to Yeah, how about five trips to the

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<v Speaker 1>playoffs period?

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<v Speaker 2>Ever, ever, so we love Caravas. This is this is nothing,

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<v Speaker 2>This is no, this is this has nothing to do

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<v Speaker 2>with Carabas. He's a friend of the pod. We loved

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<v Speaker 2>having him on. He might be my favorite guest we've

1:14:28.600 --> 1:14:30.000
<v Speaker 2>ever had on and we want to have him on

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<v Speaker 2>a bunch more in the future. But I'm sure he'll

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<v Speaker 2>take it well too, because he he he tosses out

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<v Speaker 2>shit on a daily basis.

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<v Speaker 3>So this all.

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<v Speaker 2>Plays in the next time he's on one, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>remind him and number two Boston sports fans, especially if

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<v Speaker 2>you're on social media seeing him watch these finals.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, it's it's terrible.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm still like to watch the NBA Finals again, like

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<v Speaker 1>a I'm gonna have to probably live in a more

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<v Speaker 1>populated area with you know, like go out to a

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<v Speaker 1>sports bar or something like. I don't know if at home,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna flip on the NBA Finals, Like the Sonics

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<v Speaker 1>when they come back, will have to be playing in

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<v Speaker 1>it for me. To like really care. I will. It's

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<v Speaker 1>either that or I will have had to because the

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<v Speaker 1>Sonics are gotten a lot more invest reinvested back in

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<v Speaker 1>the NBA because right now, again, like, storylines are cool,

1:15:17.960 --> 1:15:21.040
<v Speaker 1>but you and I both know the Celtics are like

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<v Speaker 1>way better than the Mavericks and it showed in Game one, right,

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<v Speaker 1>so yeah, like what what what's the mystery and the

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<v Speaker 1>intrigue of this series?

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<v Speaker 2>Look, I'm gonna watch, but it doesn't mean I like

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<v Speaker 2>I watch every year. It doesn't mean I'm absolutely juiced

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<v Speaker 2>up about it. I am a sports fan. When there's

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<v Speaker 2>big events on I watch and and like again, I've watched,

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<v Speaker 2>I've watched an okay'm out of the NBA playoffs this

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<v Speaker 2>year and most years I do. But it doesn't mean

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<v Speaker 2>I'm I'm like absolutely fired up the way I would

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<v Speaker 2>be to watch the college football playoffs, the NFL Playoffs,

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<v Speaker 2>the World Series obviously things like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, I'm like different than you, like I have

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<v Speaker 1>no I can count on one hand how many NBA

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<v Speaker 1>games have watched this year. Like I'll pay attention headlines,

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<v Speaker 1>but especially with this, I don't have time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, I don't watch in the regular season but

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<v Speaker 2>I'll watch in the playoffs.

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<v Speaker 1>WWE on Hardwood, scripted all coming from the top.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, it's scripted.

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<v Speaker 2>The best the best headlines in the NBA are the

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<v Speaker 2>ones that happen off the court, because off the court,

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<v Speaker 2>there's more drama than a soap opera.

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<v Speaker 1>Which is why people are so entertained with this finals.

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<v Speaker 1>It has nothing to do with on the court. It

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<v Speaker 1>is literally Kyrie versus the city of Boston.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly, that's what I mean. It's stuff like that

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<v Speaker 2>that draws, which baseball could use a lot more of.

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<v Speaker 2>To be honest, I've thought about that if there was

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<v Speaker 2>more beef and come on, if there was beef and baseball,

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<v Speaker 2>you don't think that would dram more eyeballs?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I was being sarcast Oh.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, sorry, yes, yes.

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<v Speaker 1>Well Tim Anderson was good, then he could beef with

1:16:54.040 --> 1:16:57.760
<v Speaker 1>the city of Cleveland. But like even like yeah, like

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<v Speaker 1>that's the example, Like what are the villains? Tommy fam

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<v Speaker 1>is a villain in baseball right now? Like who gives

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<v Speaker 1>a fuck about Tommy Fam?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, don't say that, or he's gonna get ready to

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<v Speaker 3>fight you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, what does he trained in multiple multiple fighting styles

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<v Speaker 1>in the off season.

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<v Speaker 2>Just in case that could have been a speaker mind

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<v Speaker 2>this week, as Tommy FAM's saying that he's gonna beat

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<v Speaker 2>somebody up if they start anything with them.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you notice how when he slid in, he actually

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<v Speaker 1>walked away from the confrontation. No one was holding it back.

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<v Speaker 1>He could have swung on someone.

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<v Speaker 3>Mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, I'm almost feeling while like that was

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<v Speaker 1>just talk and not actually backing it up. Yeah, people

1:17:35.600 --> 1:17:39.040
<v Speaker 1>always like to say how tough they are, but like remember,

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<v Speaker 1>like he could have walked up and punched William Cantrure's

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<v Speaker 1>in the face if you wanted to.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we need we need show Hay or Bryce Harper

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<v Speaker 2>to come out with some quotes in the playoffs saying

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<v Speaker 2>whatever team they're gonna go up against is a bunch

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<v Speaker 2>of losers or something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>M Well, show Hey did get his publicity this year,

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<v Speaker 1>but not in the fighting sense.

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<v Speaker 3>And not because he wanted it.

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<v Speaker 2>He like again show Hate coming out and saying and

1:18:05.920 --> 1:18:09.559
<v Speaker 2>talking trash about another team, that's real drama. Like Show

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<v Speaker 2>Hate did not ask for his interpreter to place all

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<v Speaker 2>these bets.

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<v Speaker 1>No, at least Epay knows now that he's not the

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<v Speaker 1>worst baseball better in the world. That's true, because that

1:18:20.120 --> 1:18:21.880
<v Speaker 1>title will go to the guy that just got banned

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<v Speaker 1>for life on the padres What what what percent of

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<v Speaker 1>it the bets did he win?

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<v Speaker 3>Low? Yeah, something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>That's insane.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, crazy?

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<v Speaker 1>How that should not be possible?

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<v Speaker 3>No, no, it should not. Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know what's even more improbable?

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<v Speaker 3>Though?

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<v Speaker 1>My speak your mind? Do you know where a cricket country?

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<v Speaker 3>Now?

1:18:46.439 --> 1:18:48.640
<v Speaker 1>Do you know that? Apparently great at a lot of

1:18:48.640 --> 1:18:52.120
<v Speaker 1>things here in America sports wise, especially, we have our football.

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<v Speaker 1>We're the best at that. Were the best at football,

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<v Speaker 1>were the best at basketball. Sometimes we're the best at hockey. Well.

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<v Speaker 1>The fact that the US the Canada hasn't had a

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<v Speaker 1>Stanley Cup since ninety one, Yeah, it's who were the

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<v Speaker 1>best at hockey as well?

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<v Speaker 2>Well?

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<v Speaker 1>While the US beat a cricket powerhouse in the Men's

1:19:14.120 --> 1:19:18.360
<v Speaker 1>World Cup Pakistan today, one of the biggest upsets in

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<v Speaker 1>sports history. US say, US say?

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<v Speaker 3>US say?

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<v Speaker 2>Is this a bigger upset than when Howard beat UNLV

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<v Speaker 2>and college football as forty five point underdog?

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<v Speaker 3>Do you remember that?

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<v Speaker 1>I do?

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<v Speaker 3>Is this bigger.

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<v Speaker 1>In the sense of the world stage? Yeah, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of like a Vegas moneyline bat I think

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<v Speaker 1>it was only like plus six hundred. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like Pakistan, India, Australia, like those are powerhouse cricket countries

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<v Speaker 1>powerhouse like cricket. By the way, as most people know

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<v Speaker 1>is the is the biggest sport in the world or sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>second biggest. I think behind soccer or football, whatever you

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<v Speaker 1>want to say. Football second biggest sport in the world.

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<v Speaker 1>It draws enormous ratings. I think it's this. I think

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<v Speaker 1>it even out draws the Super Bowl and American football,

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<v Speaker 1>Like that's how big it is. And as you know,

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<v Speaker 1>on the state of American sports, like cricket's not very high.

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<v Speaker 1>But the fact the US beat one of the powerhouses,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that's like, gee, it's like the US men's

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<v Speaker 1>national team losing to Trinidad and Tobago. Oh wait, sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>wrong sport. That's like I want to make a joke

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<v Speaker 1>about the Olympic the team USA basketball team who probably

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<v Speaker 1>has has lost to some small countries recently, but I

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<v Speaker 1>can't name those off the top of my head outside

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<v Speaker 1>of the men's soccer one. Regardless, you get the point.

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<v Speaker 1>Pretty historic upset today, So.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, shout out cricket That's all I've got because I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't watch it, I don't know much about it, but

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<v Speaker 2>shout out cricket.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so you know that Joe that was floating around

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<v Speaker 1>this week on the Internet where it was like showing

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<v Speaker 1>some cricket highlights and it's like an America, like the

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<v Speaker 1>American brain cannot comprehend this, and I forget what they

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<v Speaker 1>someone responded with. I think it was it like a

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<v Speaker 1>Justin Jefferson one handed catch or something like the European

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<v Speaker 1>mind or the Australian mind can't commrahend this, something funny

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<v Speaker 1>like that. And then this happens, so obviously we can

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<v Speaker 1>comprehend it because we're the best.

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<v Speaker 2>Apparently, shout out USA Cricket. That's all I've got. Like

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<v Speaker 2>I said, like, that's about all I can contribute to

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<v Speaker 2>this one.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the Team USA's top players is his full

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<v Speaker 1>time job. He's like a principal engineer at Oracle, like

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<v Speaker 1>a software company. Like software employees beat Team Pakistan.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like how they say Babe Ruth used to dominate

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<v Speaker 2>against Milkman in baseball who had off season jobs. But

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<v Speaker 2>oh wait, he's actually Babe Ruth's not real, so no

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<v Speaker 2>he didn't right exactly. So yeah, all right, that just

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<v Speaker 2>about wraps up this edition of the Marine Layer Podcast.

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