1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,480 Speaker 1: Hi, this is new due to the virus. I'm recording 2 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:05,440 Speaker 1: from home, so you may notice a difference in audio 3 00:00:05,559 --> 00:00:11,559 Speaker 1: quality on this episode of A New World. Most people 4 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 1: had never heard the name General Michael Flynn before he 5 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:18,079 Speaker 1: made a deal with Special Counsel Robert Mueller to plead 6 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 1: guilty to a fellow account of willfully and knowingly making 7 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 1: false statements of the a BA. Flynn agreed to cooperate 8 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:30,640 Speaker 1: with the Special Counsel's investigation. Flynn had served as President 9 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 1: Trump's National security adviser until he was forced to resign 10 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:40,639 Speaker 1: in February twenty seventeen over his communications with Russian Ambassador 11 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:45,479 Speaker 1: of the United States Sergey Kistiac. However, General Flynn had 12 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 1: been working in foreign policy in Washington, DC for more 13 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 1: than thirty six years, including thirty three years of service 14 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 1: in the United States Army, and in twenty twelve, he 15 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 1: served President of Barack Obama as the eighteenth director of 16 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 1: the Defense Intelligence Agency. Lee Smith's engaging article on Tablet 17 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 1: Magazine how Russiagate began with Obama's at Rand Deal Domestic 18 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 1: Spying Killer, explains why Michael Flynn posed a threat to 19 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 1: the former president's legacy and was made to pay for it. 20 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:21,760 Speaker 1: I'm pleased to welcome my guest, Lee Smith, a veteran 21 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 1: journalist whose work appears in real clear investigations, The Federalist, 22 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 1: and Tablet. His upcoming book is The Permanent Coup. How 23 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 1: Enemies foreign and domestic Targeted the American President. Lee Smith 24 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 1: is a remarkable investigative reporter who has written I think 25 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 1: some of the most important insights into what has been 26 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 1: happening over the last three or four years. He has 27 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 1: a particularly insight into the entire story about Lieutenant General 28 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:08,359 Speaker 1: Michael Flynn. What do you think about the evolution of 29 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 1: the Flynn case recently and the maneuverings back and forth 30 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 1: between Judge Soliman, the district judge, and the Appeals court judge. 31 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 1: First of all, thank you so much for your kind words, 32 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 1: and thank you again for inviting me to speak with you. 33 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 1: I think one of the important things that we've learned 34 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 1: we saw some new disclosures last week indicating the actual 35 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:35,679 Speaker 1: hands on involvement of then President Obama and Vice President 36 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 1: Biden in the operation targeting Michael Flynn. I think actually 37 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 1: this probably calls for, at some point a very large 38 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 1: revision of our understanding of what the deep state is 39 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 1: we've been speaking about the deep state now for three years, 40 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 1: and certainly we've used different terms for an administrative state, 41 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 1: the permanent bureaucracy, and these things are all real and 42 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:05,640 Speaker 1: they're all true, and it does have a mind of 43 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 1: its own to protect itself, to defend its own interest, 44 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 1: even when it's against the interest of the United States 45 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 1: and the Americans who vote to send their president here, 46 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 1: as they sent President Trump here. We voted to do 47 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 1: that in twenty sixteen, and we've seen this fight. But 48 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:28,080 Speaker 1: one of the things that we now understand is the 49 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 1: central role of Barack Obama and Joe Biden. So it's 50 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 1: not just the deep state, it's not just the permanent deureaucracy. 51 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 1: It has to do also centrally crucially with two politicians 52 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 1: who decided to use the resources of the federal government, 53 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 1: who decided to use the deep state to advance their 54 00:03:55,240 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 1: political and their personal interest at the expense of the country. 55 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 1: And what they did to do that is to target 56 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 1: people like Michael Flynn. What we're seeing right now with 57 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 1: Judge Sullivan. I believe that one of the reasons this 58 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 1: looks so insane and so corrupt the fact that he 59 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 1: was soliciting amicus briefs, the fact that he brought on 60 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 1: another judge, Judge Gleeson, to play the role of prosecutor. 61 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:30,360 Speaker 1: I thought for a while that this shows how corrupt 62 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 1: it is and how dangerous this must be to particular people. 63 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 1: But again, the more and more we see the hand 64 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:40,920 Speaker 1: of Barack Obama and Joe Biden, we are beginning to 65 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:44,360 Speaker 1: see what is truly under this and why there is 66 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 1: so much of a panic, because that's what they're hiding. 67 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 1: They're not just hiding James Comey, They're not just hiding 68 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 1: John Brennan. They're not hiding Andrew McKay. They're hiding the 69 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 1: role and continuing to advance the interests of Obama and Biden. 70 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:02,840 Speaker 1: Let's peel back the onion a little bit. Sullivan was 71 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 1: handed an opportunity to just drop the case when the 72 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 1: Justice Department has to drop it, and it would have 73 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 1: gone away had no particular harm to him. So why 74 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 1: do you think he interposed himself to keep the case 75 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:19,839 Speaker 1: so loud. It's about the issue with Joe Biden. In Ukraine, 76 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 1: there was a very important story that appeared December eighth, 77 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 1: tenth fifteen, and the New York Times and had described 78 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 1: very clearly the problems with Joe Biden and the son 79 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:34,920 Speaker 1: Hunter working for a company that had problems in Ukraine Burisma. 80 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 1: Now we all know the story, and we've all heard 81 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:41,600 Speaker 1: over the last several months before the beginning of the 82 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:45,839 Speaker 1: nonsensical impeachment process that it was a conspiracy theory to 83 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:49,599 Speaker 1: say somehow that Joe Biden and Hunter Biden were involved 84 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:53,920 Speaker 1: in corruption in Ukraine. Of course they were, and it 85 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 1: was reported the New York Times in December tenth, fifteen. 86 00:05:57,920 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 1: And the reason that this was dropped in the New 87 00:05:59,880 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 1: York Times in twenty and fifteen is because the pro 88 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:09,920 Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton camp wanted to ensure that Joe Biden stayed 89 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 1: out of the Democratic primary race. He had decided in 90 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:19,600 Speaker 1: mid October twenty fifteen he wasn't going to run. This 91 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:22,559 Speaker 1: piece dropped on him to make sure that he wasn't 92 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 1: going to run. So insofar as that was an intra 93 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 1: Democratic fight, then it was okay for that to appear. Now, however, 94 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 1: when it has nothing to do with Hillary Clinton, and 95 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 1: now when Biden we're talking on several months ago. Biden 96 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 1: is now the nominee, but when he appeared to be 97 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 1: the nominee. Then it was important to cover up all 98 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 1: sorts of garbage that was actually out there. It's not 99 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 1: like people had to dig it up. It had already 100 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 1: been published. So I think we're seeing something very analogous 101 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:58,159 Speaker 1: right here now with Judge Sullivan. I think that they're 102 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:01,920 Speaker 1: playing to block. They don't want Obama's hand to show. 103 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:05,920 Speaker 1: They don't want Biden's hand to show. Again, That's what 104 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 1: we're starting to see. The more and more these documents 105 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 1: are declassified and disclosed, the more we're seeing how high 106 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 1: the corruption goes. There's another very basic thing as well. 107 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 1: I think that the idea that once General Flynn is 108 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 1: free to speak his mind, and that the idea that 109 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 1: he is likely to accompany the president to certain campaign 110 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 1: events and he will be able to describe in detail 111 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 1: what happened to him. This is extremely dangerous to them 112 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 1: as well. This represents serious momentum for the president's campaign, 113 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 1: and it will continue to unearth the corruption of the 114 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 1: Obama Biden years, the continuing corruption. Flynn had a very 115 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 1: distinguished career and had risked his wife for his country. 116 00:07:57,240 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 1: I think he was thirty three years in uniform. Why 117 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 1: did they single him? Why does he become the tip 118 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 1: of the spear. I think that one of the things 119 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 1: we have to look at is if we go back 120 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 1: to about three and a half years ago and when 121 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 1: the new administration comes to Washington. I mean, the President 122 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 1: himself campaigned on the idea that he's an outsider, and 123 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 1: there are lots of people who are joining him who 124 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 1: are from the outside. They don't necessarily know their way 125 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 1: around the intelligence bureaucracy. And we're talking about principles here. 126 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 1: James maddis the Secretary of Defense, and he knows his 127 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 1: way around the Pentagon, but not the intelligence bureaucracies. Rex 128 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:37,320 Speaker 1: Tillerson is coming in. He's another principle who has no 129 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 1: idea actually how the US government bureaucracy works, except in 130 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 1: so far as he had to deal with it when 131 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:48,679 Speaker 1: he was running a large energy company. Michael Flynn is 132 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 1: actually someone who has seen the intelligence bureaucracies up close, 133 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 1: and he's talking to people about how they're a problem 134 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:58,720 Speaker 1: and how they need to be fixed. This is one 135 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 1: thing that everyone in Washington appears to have agreed on 136 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen, after Trump is elected in early twenty seventeen, 137 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:11,200 Speaker 1: is that Michael Flynn is a problem for their personal interest. 138 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:16,320 Speaker 1: With the FBI, Michael Flynn knows where and how to 139 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 1: recognize evidence of the FBI's a legal surveillance operation against 140 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 1: the Trump campaign. So that's the FBI. With the CIA, 141 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 1: it's not just John Brennan. There are fundamental CIA interests 142 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:35,560 Speaker 1: that are concerned with Michael Flynn because his plans for 143 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:40,560 Speaker 1: his revision of the intelligence community. So that's the CIA. 144 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:44,440 Speaker 1: So we already have two very powerful Washington institutions. The 145 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 1: third institution, of course, is the most powerful of all, 146 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 1: and that's the White House, the outgoing White House Barack Obama, 147 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:58,559 Speaker 1: whose foreign policy legacy is invested in the different initiatives 148 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 1: in the Middle East, most prominently the nuclear deal with Iran. 149 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 1: Flynn has been campaigning against this since the time that 150 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:14,440 Speaker 1: he left the Defense Intelligence Agency. He'd been warning people 151 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 1: about what Iran was up to. He saw how the 152 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 1: Iranians were helping killed Americans, primarily an Iraq, but also 153 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 1: were assisting Afghany outfits and killing and terrorizing Americans. And 154 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:32,080 Speaker 1: then he just looked at the fundamentals of the nuclear deal, 155 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:36,080 Speaker 1: as did then candidate Trump, and said, this makes no sense. 156 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:41,080 Speaker 1: Why are we legalizing the nuclear weapons program? Of a 157 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 1: terror state that kills Americans and that has threatened to 158 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 1: destroy our chief Middle Eastern ally, Israel, but also poses 159 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 1: a very serious threat to another central Middle East ally, 160 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 1: the King to come Saud of Arabia. So, as Michael 161 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 1: Flynn is talking about about this, and he's also saying 162 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 1: there are secret deals here the Obama administration made with 163 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 1: the Iranians. He wanted to find those two to disclose 164 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 1: them and to show the different arrangements the Obama administration 165 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:19,440 Speaker 1: had hidden from the American public as well as the 166 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 1: representatives of the American people. So Michael Flynn is moving 167 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:27,440 Speaker 1: very quickly on all of these things, and that made 168 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 1: him a threat to Obama's legacy. Obama appears to be 169 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:39,319 Speaker 1: heavily invested in the anti Flynn operation. Again, this is 170 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:42,959 Speaker 1: something that we've seen clearly come out in these recent 171 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:47,720 Speaker 1: declassifications and recent disclosures. The actual hand of the forty 172 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:50,840 Speaker 1: fourth President of the United States as he's looking for 173 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:55,439 Speaker 1: these maneuvers to strike out at Flynn and to do 174 00:11:55,679 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 1: damage to him. Wasn't there an enormous dereliction of duty 175 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:24,320 Speaker 1: in the way the Sessions failed to take control of 176 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:27,200 Speaker 1: the Justice Department. All of this stuff could have come 177 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:30,559 Speaker 1: out in the first three or four months of new administration. 178 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:34,560 Speaker 1: The way that Congressman Nunez explains it is that mister 179 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:38,079 Speaker 1: Sessions was a decent man. He didn't understand the play. 180 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:41,319 Speaker 1: He didn't understand what had changed in Washington. He didn't 181 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 1: understand who he was dealing with or the nature of 182 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 1: their operation. For my understanding, it seems like a lot 183 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 1: of people didn't quite get it. The President's lawyers believed 184 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:54,680 Speaker 1: essentially the same thing. It's like, well, mister President, you 185 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:57,239 Speaker 1: have nothing to worry about. Just give the Muller prosecutors 186 00:12:57,240 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 1: whatever they asked for, and we'll be done with this 187 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 1: by Christmas time, maybe earlier. I'm talking about in May 188 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 1: twenty seventeen. They figured they'd be done with it early. Well, 189 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:08,680 Speaker 1: this was not the case. The fact that they stood 190 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:11,440 Speaker 1: up the Special Council meant that they were very serious. 191 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 1: I think the President is right to be frustrated with 192 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 1: former Attorney General Sessions. It's not surprising to me that 193 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 1: he got played by these guys, because a lot of 194 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:26,439 Speaker 1: people did in the government. People were not prepared to 195 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 1: see how bad it was. Her first book really helped 196 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:33,959 Speaker 1: me get a context for all this. It seems to 197 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 1: me that it was such a huge lead to believe 198 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 1: that both the elite news media and the elite bureaucracy 199 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 1: and the United States we're all collectively then the social conspiracy. 200 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 1: But it was a broadly cultural agreement to move the 201 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 1: same general direction, and to do so in a way 202 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 1: that clearly violated the law, violated the whole constitutional framework 203 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:01,600 Speaker 1: of the American system. I think that's such a radical thought. 204 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 1: I think that's part of what happened for all of 205 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:09,200 Speaker 1: twenty seventeen. He took until the More Report collapsed totally 206 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 1: for people to be into sage there's something going on 207 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 1: here that doesn't make any sense. Here's why I think 208 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 1: the irandeal is so important, not because it was central 209 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 1: to Obama's legacy, but rather to step back and to 210 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 1: ask why was it central to Obama's legacy to strike 211 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 1: an agreement with an obscurantist third world regime. What was 212 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 1: it about the sensibility of the forty fourth president of 213 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 1: the United States? How does that occur to someone We're 214 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 1: going to normalize the nuclear weapons program of a terror state, 215 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 1: because that's what the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action was 216 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 1: Once we get behind all the fancy language the sunset clauses, 217 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 1: show us what that was. They were normalizing that. I 218 00:14:54,440 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 1: think to understand what's happened here since certainly the Iran Deal, 219 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 1: but maybe before, I think that our elite classes, by 220 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 1: which I mean government bureaucracies as well as the press, 221 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 1: as well as many democratic officials on the other side, 222 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 1: I think that they've incorporated the sensibility of third world regimes, 223 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 1: and it's a horrible thing to see. But if you 224 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 1: look at what's happened here over the last four years, now, 225 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 1: why have no Democrats not one of them said? Look, I, 226 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 1: frankly myself don't really like Trump or his policies at all. 227 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 1: I agree with all of you, and I wanted to 228 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 1: defeat him, and I'm want to defeat his policies. But 229 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 1: let's put aside this crazy rush of stuff because it's 230 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 1: a conspiracy theory and it's bad for the country, and 231 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 1: it's bad for the party too. We're going to become 232 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 1: known as the Party of make believe, the Party of fiction. 233 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 1: So let's put this aside, and let's argue, and let's debate, 234 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 1: and let's fight like real Americans. Why didn't that happen. 235 00:15:57,080 --> 00:16:00,040 Speaker 1: I find it in mind boggling that there was a 236 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 1: tacit agreement they were going to use this insane conspiracy 237 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 1: theory as a weapon not just against the President, but 238 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 1: against the American public as well. If we look at 239 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 1: what's happened here with the press, you can't read the 240 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 1: New York Times now or the Washington Post, and the 241 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 1: way we read the Washington Post of the New York 242 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 1: Times twenty years ago. We could say, well, that's nutty, 243 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 1: or that's so partisan, or that's such a crazy left 244 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 1: wing liberal position, But then they might try to balance 245 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 1: it out with a conservative writer or a quote from 246 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 1: a Republican or something like that. The issue is not 247 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 1: that there's no balance now. The issue is that everything 248 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 1: run through these papers is run as an intelligence operation. 249 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 1: Look at the number of intelligence operations we've seen targeting 250 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 1: the Trump campaign since twenty sixteen. There was Russia Gate, 251 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 1: there was Kavanaugh, there was impeachment. If we look at 252 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 1: what the impeachment process actually was, was the same confederation 253 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:07,119 Speaker 1: that put together Russage. We have intelligence officials, political operatives, 254 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:12,160 Speaker 1: and the press. We've seen how the coronavirus was weaponized 255 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 1: against the president. That shows you how depraved they are. 256 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 1: They actually take catastrophes that are happening to America and 257 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:23,199 Speaker 1: they're weaponized and turned into information operations. I think in 258 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:27,359 Speaker 1: lots of ways this goes back to what the Left 259 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 1: has been for a very long time. But I also 260 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 1: think there's something else here. I think that the more 261 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:40,440 Speaker 1: time we spent dealing with the Middle East, the more 262 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:42,879 Speaker 1: time we've spent in Iraq, the more time we've had 263 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 1: to deal with the Iranians. The idea of the Freedom 264 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 1: Agenda was that American ideas would be promoted in the 265 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:52,359 Speaker 1: Middle East. One of the things I discussed in my 266 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 1: new book as the twenty fourteen revolution and Ukraine, which 267 00:17:57,480 --> 00:18:00,680 Speaker 1: turned into a coup. It pushed out then president again 268 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 1: a Covid, and brought it a new president. That's really 269 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:26,879 Speaker 1: the beginning of the Biden's involvement in Ukraine. So, given 270 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 1: that the gap there between popular perception and what the 271 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:35,480 Speaker 1: documents are beginning to reveal, to what extent do you 272 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 1: think General Flynn was just sleepwalking into the initial investigation 273 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:43,480 Speaker 1: and had no idea that it was going to become 274 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:47,119 Speaker 1: a life and death ambush. That's a very interesting question. 275 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:52,439 Speaker 1: I think everyone must be profoundly surprised right now to 276 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:55,120 Speaker 1: see that Judge Sullivan hasn't let it go, and it's like, well, 277 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 1: why not DJ dropped the case? Why won't he let 278 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 1: it go? What's behind it here? I think there are 279 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 1: aspects of this that must be surprising even to the 280 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 1: most hardened observer. And I have to say, up until 281 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 1: about six months ago, I didn't realize that General Flynn 282 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:13,800 Speaker 1: was actually central to the entire thing. Basically, as I 283 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 1: lay it out and plot against the president, this was 284 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 1: largely an FBI operation. It was about dirty cops. We 285 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 1: knew that the outgoing administration obviously had a lot to 286 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:28,880 Speaker 1: do with it because James Coley was hired by Barack Obama. 287 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:33,359 Speaker 1: All these people were Obama Clinton people. But as we've 288 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:37,399 Speaker 1: seen these documents come out, thirty nine Obama officials on 289 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 1: mass General Flynn more than fifty times in the course 290 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:43,800 Speaker 1: of about a month and a half. I mean, it's astonishing. 291 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 1: I'm not sure that any of us knew that Obama 292 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 1: had actively cultivated a culture of espionage in that White House. 293 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:57,520 Speaker 1: I'm not sure that General Flynn understood at the time 294 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 1: the exact nature that administration or how hard they were 295 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 1: going to fight, not only to destroy him. He leaves 296 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:11,200 Speaker 1: the White House in February twenty seventeen, and then when 297 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 1: the Mother Team is appointed, they circle back around and 298 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 1: they come after him. I'm not sure he expected that. 299 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 1: It's extremely surprising. It's going to take a long time 300 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 1: for all of us to process what happened here. Not 301 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:29,359 Speaker 1: just General Flynn is really the touchstoner. He's how people 302 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 1: will understand what's happened the last several years. That will 303 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 1: be their entry point into understanding. But it's a profound thing, 304 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 1: the shift that happened with America during the Obama administration. 305 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 1: It's going to take a long time for people to 306 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 1: describe it to each other and then to find how 307 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:54,160 Speaker 1: to move back to normal regular American procedural politics. Let's 308 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:58,160 Speaker 1: argue by all means, let's campaign. Go ahead, smear someone 309 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:01,800 Speaker 1: if you want, but to use all of these surveillance 310 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 1: capabilities on our adversaries to use the law to destroy 311 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 1: someone take over five million dollars in enforcing to sell 312 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 1: their house. This is not how we Americans operate. It's 313 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 1: going to take a while for us to understand how 314 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 1: profound and how horrible this ship has been, and how badly. 315 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 1: It endangers the country. I worry a little bit that 316 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 1: we're only about ten or fifteen percent of the way 317 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 1: into understanding this. It just going to keep peeling back 318 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 1: the onion more and more. I think the degree to 319 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:38,399 Speaker 1: which he was coerced by the corrupt government and his 320 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:43,960 Speaker 1: son was threatened is astonishing, and I'm still surprised people 321 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:46,920 Speaker 1: have not gone to jail. What I describe in my 322 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:50,399 Speaker 1: book is it's the eighth chapter called the Scope, and 323 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:53,879 Speaker 1: it's the way the Special Council starts targeting different people. 324 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 1: And what they did was they targeted. This is why 325 00:21:57,320 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 1: they went after Donald Trump Junior to try to get 326 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:02,640 Speaker 1: at his father, the president, And that's why they went 327 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 1: after Michael Flynn Jr. To get at his father. The 328 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 1: other thing you see is I have a section on 329 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:15,640 Speaker 1: a Turkish Dutch businessman who was targeted by the Special Council. 330 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:20,719 Speaker 1: They wanted him to flip on Michael Flynn. They wanted 331 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:25,640 Speaker 1: George Poppadopolis to flip on someone. So what they did 332 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 1: was they use the fabric of American communal life, relations 333 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 1: between fathers and sons, families, friendships, business. They tried to 334 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 1: get people to turn on each other and to destroy 335 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 1: each other, and in some cases they did right. In 336 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:46,640 Speaker 1: some cases people turned on each other, but that's what 337 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 1: they wanted to do. I don't even know if we're 338 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 1: in the recovery phase that will start when Michael Flynn 339 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:56,720 Speaker 1: is one free. But even in the recovery phase, it's 340 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 1: going to take a while to understand and explain it 341 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,440 Speaker 1: and then fight it and decide this must never happen again. 342 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 1: Just as the President says is that this should never 343 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:07,879 Speaker 1: happen to another president. It's much broader than that. It 344 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:10,640 Speaker 1: should never happen to the country again. It should never 345 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:15,639 Speaker 1: happen to American citizens. Now that the appeals court has ruled, 346 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 1: what's your said? So how im it's going to take 347 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 1: for Flynn to be totally clear? I wish I knew 348 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 1: all of the lawyers I speak to. I think it's 349 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 1: very confusing for them as well. Apparently there was supposed 350 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:30,119 Speaker 1: to be a hearing, but that was taken off the docket. 351 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 1: I don't know how long Sullivan can delay this, but again, 352 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:34,960 Speaker 1: I think it's pretty clear why he is to keep 353 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:38,159 Speaker 1: Flynn from talking and to continue to cover up the 354 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:41,440 Speaker 1: stuff that Obama and Biden did. He can keep this up. 355 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:44,720 Speaker 1: I'm surprised it's gone on this far. I would have 356 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 1: thought after the appeals court rule that it was almost automatic. 357 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 1: I would have thought so too. Sullivan and whoever is 358 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 1: behind Sullivan and working with Sullivan or whatever the brain 359 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:58,960 Speaker 1: trust of the Democratic Party is coming up with. Well, here, 360 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:02,480 Speaker 1: given this retired, prosecute him for perjury. By the way, 361 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:06,040 Speaker 1: this is a very interesting point. We remember May I 362 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:11,400 Speaker 1: believe it was May ninth when Obama leaked a phone 363 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:15,879 Speaker 1: conversation where he was talking about how General Flynn should 364 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:20,200 Speaker 1: be prosecuted for perjury. This was leaked to Michael Isikoff, 365 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 1: who is a central node of the press's Russia Gate operation. 366 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 1: So this story comes out, and again I think that 367 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,399 Speaker 1: most people were baffulled. It's like Barack Obama, as a lawyer, 368 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 1: doesn't they know that Flynn was not charged with perjury, 369 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:37,680 Speaker 1: but charged with making false statements to the FBI. Well, 370 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 1: what do we have? Within a week, Sullivan has solicited 371 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:45,040 Speaker 1: an amicust brief on how Michael Flynn might be charged 372 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:48,160 Speaker 1: with perjury. There are an awful lot of very high 373 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:52,359 Speaker 1: powered people who are working to keep Michael Flynn tied 374 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:55,440 Speaker 1: up for as long as possible. I think that's one 375 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,359 Speaker 1: of the reasons why they still have him in hand, 376 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:01,360 Speaker 1: why they won't let him go again. It goes very 377 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 1: high up and there's something very important about this case, 378 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 1: which it appears we don't know the full extent of 379 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:10,880 Speaker 1: it yet. At some point in the relatively near future, 380 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,920 Speaker 1: Flynn will in fact be free to speak, and at 381 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:18,960 Speaker 1: that point it will become very fascinating to see what 382 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 1: he says and how he says it. And I have 383 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:24,399 Speaker 1: a hunch, just Spaceti, having worked with her over the years, 384 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 1: that this Attorney Sydney is going to be very aggressive 385 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:30,960 Speaker 1: once this is over there. And I noticed the other 386 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:34,160 Speaker 1: day there are some of the notes that had recently 387 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:39,159 Speaker 1: been released indicated that Biden personally was in the meeting 388 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 1: trying to figure out what they should try to go 389 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:46,080 Speaker 1: after Flynn. For the Attorney General has said that they're 390 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 1: not investigating Obama or Biden. At the time he made 391 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 1: that announcement, was grateful for it, because if they were 392 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,800 Speaker 1: investigating them, then that would be a problem heading into 393 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 1: election season. That would mean that they have to hold 394 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 1: off on this investigation. They can't take that investigation of 395 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 1: the former president and the Democratic candidate for president into 396 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 1: election season, and I took that as a good sign 397 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:12,479 Speaker 1: that this investigation is pressing ahead. Now, however, it's unclear 398 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 1: to me how they can investigate without looking into the 399 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 1: role of Obama and Biden. The fact that Barack Obama 400 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:23,719 Speaker 1: is telling director of the FBI get the right people 401 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 1: on this, that's astonishing that we see his hand in it. 402 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,919 Speaker 1: The other astonishing thing is Barack Obama is out of 403 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:34,200 Speaker 1: the White House January twentieth, So why is the FBI 404 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:39,400 Speaker 1: still going after Michael Flynn. Comey doesn't say, like Obama's gone, 405 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:41,360 Speaker 1: I'm just going to let this go. This is a hassle, 406 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:43,639 Speaker 1: it's not worth it. I'm going to get on the 407 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 1: wrong side of the new president here. I'm just going 408 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,119 Speaker 1: to let it go. So what was going on in 409 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:52,159 Speaker 1: that administration that even after Obama is out of the 410 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:56,240 Speaker 1: White House, James Coney is still targeting Michael Flynn. Again, 411 00:26:56,359 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 1: that's another indication of how corrupt that administration was. Was 412 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:07,119 Speaker 1: Comy simply part of the general consensus that Trump was 413 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:10,679 Speaker 1: so unthinkable that anything done to cripple him or destroy 414 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:15,280 Speaker 1: him was a legitimate defense of the American system. As 415 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:20,360 Speaker 1: Obama and Clinton understood it. Yes, that was the establishment 416 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,880 Speaker 1: Washington view in lots of ways, which of course still holds. 417 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,119 Speaker 1: I think there's a lot to that. But if you 418 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,040 Speaker 1: look at what Comey said in those documents that the 419 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 1: Flynn Kissley I call appears to be legitimate. Of course 420 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,359 Speaker 1: it was legitimate, and you know it is because you 421 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,639 Speaker 1: guys were essential to putting up this whole collusion nonsense. 422 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:43,480 Speaker 1: I don't know if he's actually asking Obama to lay 423 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 1: off this bogus rustigate nonsense at that point or not, 424 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:52,080 Speaker 1: but it seems that Comy is aware, Yeah, you may 425 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 1: end up with an Obama Gate after all this. I 426 00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:56,879 Speaker 1: think that's what we're saying, that this goes back to 427 00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:00,119 Speaker 1: the forty fourth president. That's what this is about. He 428 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 1: tell us about your upcoming new book, The Permanent True. 429 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:06,760 Speaker 1: I'll just explain what I mean by the permanent Coup. 430 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:10,440 Speaker 1: The reason we've seen all these instruments was Russia Gate, impeachment, 431 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,359 Speaker 1: all these different things. It's to indeed Trump's agenda and 432 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:17,159 Speaker 1: Trump ran against Obama's agenda, or it was on foreign 433 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:21,280 Speaker 1: policy or domestic policy what Obama wanted. We now see 434 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:25,480 Speaker 1: what this was. The coup is about keeping Trump in place, obviously, 435 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 1: with the ultimate goal of trying to topple him from 436 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:33,760 Speaker 1: power and hold on long enough so that someone else 437 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:40,000 Speaker 1: from Obama's party, or someone through whom Obama could himself govern, 438 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:44,840 Speaker 1: like Joe Biden, would be able to restore the Obama 439 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 1: legacy and complete it. That was the purpose of what 440 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,480 Speaker 1: we'd see in the last three and a half years. 441 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 1: There was a real goal. It wasn't just to top 442 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:56,320 Speaker 1: of Trump. It wasn't just to knock him out. It 443 00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 1: wasn't just to undo an election. There was a purpose 444 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:03,920 Speaker 1: on this was to protect Obama's legacy until someone could 445 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 1: come back and finish his work of totally transforming America. 446 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:12,960 Speaker 1: This is remarkable and I hope we can stay in 447 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,720 Speaker 1: touch with you because I think we will learn more 448 00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:19,000 Speaker 1: over the next few months. Thanks very much, mister speaker. 449 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:24,360 Speaker 1: I really appreciate it. Thank you to my guest, Please Smith. 450 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,480 Speaker 1: You can read more about the case against General Michael 451 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 1: Flynn on our show page at newsworld dot com. News 452 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 1: World is produced by Gingwich three sixty and Iheartmedium. 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