WEBVTT - Episode 6: A Shared Name

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<v Speaker 1>I remember the Chief asking me, like, how far are

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<v Speaker 1>you going to take this? It's said Chief, until I

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<v Speaker 1>can interer you asked to read, I can't clear this tip.

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<v Speaker 1>She just seemed like just an average person who got

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<v Speaker 1>caught up in something that got bigger than what they

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<v Speaker 1>ever planned it to be. I was already in the

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<v Speaker 1>car and we were pulling way, and I look over

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<v Speaker 1>and they have my whole car open, and there's many

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<v Speaker 1>of them, and I think, I said, I know what

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<v Speaker 1>this is about. I'm ester read. Esther's arrest brought about

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<v Speaker 1>a reckoning. She had to face the cops, the media,

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<v Speaker 1>and her own family. But it wasn't until she got

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<v Speaker 1>down to South Carolina that she had to face the

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<v Speaker 1>possibility of serious prison time. The FEDS were prosecuting her

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<v Speaker 1>for male fraud, wire fraud, and aggravated identity theft, and

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<v Speaker 1>she got the sense that the authorities in South Carolina

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<v Speaker 1>had become pretty invested in her case. We all knew

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<v Speaker 1>something was going on with South Carolina, like they were

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<v Speaker 1>a little excited about the case. Because way back when

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<v Speaker 1>this investigation first started, before things got crazy, before all

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<v Speaker 1>the spy theories, before the media frenzy, before the nationwide manhunt. Originally,

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<v Speaker 1>the Copson travelers rest South Carolina were interested in one thing,

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<v Speaker 1>and one thing only, what happened to Brooke. For Esther Reid,

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<v Speaker 1>this whole saga had been about finding a new self.

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<v Speaker 1>For her, the name Brooke Henson was a ticket to

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<v Speaker 1>a new life, but she shared that name with a

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<v Speaker 1>young woman whose disappearance was still felt and for people

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<v Speaker 1>in South Carolina, that same name Brooke Henson conjured heartache

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<v Speaker 1>and a lingering sense of injustice. In some ways, Esther

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<v Speaker 1>had no idea what was in store for her in

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<v Speaker 1>South Carolina, what she had walked into, because there the

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<v Speaker 1>real Brooke Henson had I've been forgotten. They held candlelight

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<v Speaker 1>vigils in her memory in front of the police department

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<v Speaker 1>and Traveler's Rest. Friends and family commemorated her. The local

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<v Speaker 1>media ran stories on her, the local cops were looking

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<v Speaker 1>for answers, and the federal prosecutor wanted his day in

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<v Speaker 1>court for all of them. This story was far from over,

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<v Speaker 1>and now all eyes were on Esther Reid. I'm Jake

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<v Speaker 1>Halbern and this is deep Cover Season three, Never Seen

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<v Speaker 1>Again Episode six, our season finale, a shared name. Once

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<v Speaker 1>Esther was moved down to South Carolina, two cops from

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<v Speaker 1>Traveler's Rest paid her a visit. They wanted to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about Brooke Henson, to see what Esther knew about her disappearance.

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<v Speaker 1>The truth, of course, was that Esther didn't know a

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<v Speaker 1>thing about how or why Brooke went missing. She'd simply

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<v Speaker 1>found Brooke's name on the internet. Still, the cops they

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to talk. These two cops showed up where Esther

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<v Speaker 1>was being held. Esther's lawyer was there too. As soon

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<v Speaker 1>as the cops entered the room, Esther gave them a

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<v Speaker 1>handwritten statement on white lined paper saying that she had

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<v Speaker 1>nothing to do with Brooke's disappearance. And they start talking

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<v Speaker 1>and they're like, well, would you be willing to submit

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<v Speaker 1>to a lie detector tests? At this point, Esther freaked.

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<v Speaker 1>Given her high levels of anxiety, she worried she would

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<v Speaker 1>fail the test. Plus lie detector tests aren't liable to

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<v Speaker 1>begin with. I remember I started having a panic attack,

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<v Speaker 1>and like I couldn't breathe, and I started like ripping

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<v Speaker 1>my clothes because I couldn't breathe. I had a jump

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<v Speaker 1>suit on, and I was like scratching my neck and

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<v Speaker 1>I ended up back in the back corner, huddled down, hyperventilating,

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<v Speaker 1>and they just got out in the room and backed

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<v Speaker 1>away and probably left me alone for like fifteen minutes

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<v Speaker 1>so I could calm down. In the end, the cops

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<v Speaker 1>were apparently satisfied that Esther wasn't to blame for Brooke

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<v Speaker 1>going missing, in part because Esther was able to demonstrate

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<v Speaker 1>that she was living in Seattle at the time. But

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<v Speaker 1>even if she wasn't a murder suspect, Esther was still

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<v Speaker 1>facing charges for identity theft and fraud. She decided to

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<v Speaker 1>take a plea. So now it was all about the sentencing,

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<v Speaker 1>and there were still a lot of people in vested

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<v Speaker 1>in the outcome, not just the prosecutor and the media,

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<v Speaker 1>but also Brooke's family. Her parents kept a low profile,

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<v Speaker 1>but one of her aunts, Lisa Henson, sort of became

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<v Speaker 1>the public face of the family. During the height of

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<v Speaker 1>the media frenzy. Aunt Lisa did interviews with the press,

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<v Speaker 1>including CNN. She basically said that Esther's ruse had led

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<v Speaker 1>her to believe falsely for a period of time that

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<v Speaker 1>her niece was alive, and that when she learned the truth,

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<v Speaker 1>she was devastated all over again. Aunt Lisa decided to

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<v Speaker 1>speak when it came time for Esther to be sentenced,

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about the effect that Esther's actions had on

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<v Speaker 1>her personally. The sentencing took place at the Federal courthouse

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<v Speaker 1>in Greenville. CBS ran a story on the proceedings, and

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<v Speaker 1>that helped me fill out some of the details of

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<v Speaker 1>what happened that day. Esther was marched into the courtroom

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<v Speaker 1>and handcuffs and leg shackles. She wore a red prison

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<v Speaker 1>jumpsuit and her long brown hair was tied in a ponytail.

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<v Speaker 1>The whole day or being sentenced is very surreal. I

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<v Speaker 1>think the young man who got sentenced right before me

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<v Speaker 1>got forty eight years or something, and I had just

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<v Speaker 1>seen the judge like scream at him, and an attorney

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<v Speaker 1>for him was screaming back. Eventually it was Esther's turn.

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<v Speaker 1>She remembers coming to the front of the courtroom. Esther

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<v Speaker 1>knew that Aunt Lisa was off to the right, but

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<v Speaker 1>she didn't really see her because she had been told

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<v Speaker 1>that a defendant should never look directly at a victim.

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<v Speaker 1>When she spoke in court, Aunt Lisa kind of talked

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<v Speaker 1>directly to Esther. She said, nothing can bring our brook home,

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<v Speaker 1>but to know that you are not violating her now

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<v Speaker 1>gives our family a sense of relief. Esther also made

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<v Speaker 1>a brief statement. She took responsibility for her actions and

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<v Speaker 1>then asked the court for mercy, saying I was desperate

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<v Speaker 1>to escape an environment I felt I could not survive.

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<v Speaker 1>Esther's lawyer also made a case for leniency, but it

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<v Speaker 1>didn't seem to go over well with the judge. And

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<v Speaker 1>I remember he's interrupting her and won't let her presents

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<v Speaker 1>her argument, and I remember just thinking, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>this is really going to go badly, and then the

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<v Speaker 1>judge started to talk. Esther braced herself. She focused on

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<v Speaker 1>the federal seal, you know, with a great, big eagle,

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<v Speaker 1>that was displayed at the front of the courtroom. He

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<v Speaker 1>starts telling me basically why he's going to sentence me

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<v Speaker 1>the way he is. I just remember looking at the

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<v Speaker 1>seal and talking to my mom. The judge continued with

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<v Speaker 1>his remarks. Referring to Esther, he told the courtroom she

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<v Speaker 1>is a scheming criminal who has taken advantage of people's

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<v Speaker 1>identities and institutions. And then at some point he said,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to sentence you. And at that point I

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<v Speaker 1>lifted my eyes up and I remember he started to say,

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<v Speaker 1>I think a guideline sentence in this case is acceptable,

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<v Speaker 1>and then I just read a sigh of relief. In

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<v Speaker 1>this case, the federal guidelines led the judge to give

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<v Speaker 1>a sentence of fifty one months, a little over four years.

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<v Speaker 1>She was also ordered to repay one hundred and twenty

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<v Speaker 1>five thousand dollars in debts, mainly student loans that she

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<v Speaker 1>had accumulated in Brooke's name. That also included eighteen thousand

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<v Speaker 1>dollars in restitution to J. C. Penny where she had

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<v Speaker 1>run that receipt scam, and then she was marched back

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<v Speaker 1>out of the courtroom in her shackles. Afterwards, Aunt Lisa

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<v Speaker 1>told the press that the sentence was not long enough.

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<v Speaker 1>She lamented that Esther would not look her in the eyes,

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<v Speaker 1>and then added, she sly like a fox, she doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>want to face anybody who she's done wrong. Esther ended

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<v Speaker 1>up serving time a minimum security federal prison camp. There,

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<v Speaker 1>she had time to think, to reflect on her life.

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<v Speaker 1>She wrote letters, She reconnected with her brother EJ. And

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<v Speaker 1>her father too back in Montana. She read books and

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<v Speaker 1>took long walks around the prison's outdoor track. She'd gotten

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<v Speaker 1>there to that moment, in that place because she had

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<v Speaker 1>been trying to escape her own past, and she chose

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<v Speaker 1>to do that through a series of deceptions. I lied

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<v Speaker 1>and lied and lied and lied because I was in danger,

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<v Speaker 1>in mentally in danger right like I was not mentally

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<v Speaker 1>healthy in the environment I was living in, and I

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<v Speaker 1>knew I needed to get out of that. She says,

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<v Speaker 1>looking back, it was a terrible way to handle things,

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<v Speaker 1>and that many people were harmed by her actions. You

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<v Speaker 1>know my pain was visited, My trauma was visited on

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<v Speaker 1>so many people. My actions caused damage to so many people,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's a burden to to know you harmed people

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<v Speaker 1>and to not be able to do anything about it.

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<v Speaker 1>During her time in prison, Esther often thought about Brooke Henson.

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<v Speaker 1>Esther says she always felt a certain kinship with her

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<v Speaker 1>based on what she had read about Brooke online. She

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<v Speaker 1>knew they'd both struggled as teenagers and dropped out of

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<v Speaker 1>high school, and she also thought a lot about Brook's mother.

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<v Speaker 1>Esther worried that by stealing Brook's identity, she dredged up

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<v Speaker 1>the past and caused her pain. I think because I

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<v Speaker 1>lost my mom, and so I understand the pain doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>go away, there's no healing, and so the thought that

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<v Speaker 1>my acts made that agony worse for her it's really hard,

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<v Speaker 1>I think, because I'm intimately aware of what it's like

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<v Speaker 1>to miss the person you loved most in the world.

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<v Speaker 1>In two and eleven, Esther was released. The prison bought

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<v Speaker 1>her a bus ticket back to Portland, Oregon, where her

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<v Speaker 1>brother and sister were now living. There were no journalists

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<v Speaker 1>or news crews waiting as she left, no fanfare of

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<v Speaker 1>any kind. She was just a woman on a bus

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<v Speaker 1>headed west back into obscurity. We'll be right back. The

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<v Speaker 1>man who started this whole investigation was John Campbell, the

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<v Speaker 1>small town detective from Traveler's Rest, South Carolina. Over the

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<v Speaker 1>course of his investigation, John became convinced that Esther Reid

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<v Speaker 1>was a spy. He'd enlisted the help of the Secret Service.

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<v Speaker 1>He'd contacted Army CID its Criminal Investigation Division, and he'd

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<v Speaker 1>pursued every possible lead, telling his chief and Traveler's Rest

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<v Speaker 1>that he couldn't and wouldn't rest until he himself questioned Esther.

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<v Speaker 1>But that day it never came. By the time that

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<v Speaker 1>the authorities arrested Esther, John was no longer working for

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<v Speaker 1>the Traveler's Rest p D. He'd taken another job in

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<v Speaker 1>law enforcement, and so he never got a chance to

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<v Speaker 1>question her, which was hugely frustrating for John. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>when I visited John in South Carolina this past summer,

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<v Speaker 1>he told me that he still believed in his spy

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<v Speaker 1>theories that they might be true. Honestly, this kind of

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<v Speaker 1>amazed me. There were so many holes in this theory.

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<v Speaker 1>There was no actual proof of espionage. The prosecutors never

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<v Speaker 1>pursued it, and of course it never came up in

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<v Speaker 1>court because the case never went to trial. But John says,

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<v Speaker 1>that's exactly the point she did in a spy move.

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<v Speaker 1>She pleded straight up to all the chargers and never

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<v Speaker 1>answered any questions about what she did, never had anything

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<v Speaker 1>in open court. So that's brilliant. In one of my

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<v Speaker 1>many conversations with John, I asked him point blank, wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>there a much simpler explanation than espionage, one that made

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<v Speaker 1>fewer leaps of logic? He said, Oh, you're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>Akham's razor. In case you're not familiar with that theory,

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<v Speaker 1>it basically says, if you're debating between multiple competing theories,

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<v Speaker 1>the one that makes the fewest assumptions is usually correct. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I told John, Aham's rais is exactly what I'm talking about,

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<v Speaker 1>John being John quickly made a reference to The X Files,

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<v Speaker 1>the show he loves about the paranormal. You know the

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<v Speaker 1>truth is out there anyway. In one episode, one of

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<v Speaker 1>the agents refers to Akham's Raiser as quote Akham's principle

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<v Speaker 1>of limited imagination. John told me that all too often

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<v Speaker 1>law enforcement officials lacked imagination. We close our mind off

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<v Speaker 1>to anything but the facts. And if you close down

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<v Speaker 1>all those possibilities, you're going to miss something. Isn't it possible?

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<v Speaker 1>The danger as though, that your imagination runs away with

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<v Speaker 1>things and leads you too far from the facts. Could

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<v Speaker 1>you could? Yeah, you always have to have somebody to

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<v Speaker 1>rain you in if you get too far out. But

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<v Speaker 1>so who rained you in when you were a traveler's rest?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, in this particular thing, the ester read case,

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<v Speaker 1>there wasn't. I don't remember anybody rained yet. John is

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<v Speaker 1>also haunted by another mystery. He still wants to know

0:16:22.916 --> 0:16:26.716
<v Speaker 1>what happened to Brooke Henson. He believes that Brooke was murdered.

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<v Speaker 1>So it is virtually everyone that I talked to in

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<v Speaker 1>Traveler's Rest, including the town's current chief of police. His

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<v Speaker 1>name is Ben Ford. Chief Ford has been trying to

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<v Speaker 1>solve this case, even though at this point it's been

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<v Speaker 1>cold for more than twenty years. He talks regularly with John,

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<v Speaker 1>even though John's not officially part of the investigation anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>The two men seemed to share an obsession. Chief Ford

0:16:53.596 --> 0:16:57.116
<v Speaker 1>took command in twenty and eighteen, and right away he

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<v Speaker 1>made this case a top priority. At one point, he

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<v Speaker 1>searched Brook's old home looking for clues. John Campbell was

0:17:04.756 --> 0:17:08.636
<v Speaker 1>there too. They hope that maybe, just maybe they might

0:17:08.676 --> 0:17:11.956
<v Speaker 1>find an important clue that had been overlooked, a clue

0:17:11.956 --> 0:17:15.556
<v Speaker 1>that would break the whole case open. They didn't find it.

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<v Speaker 1>They also began another round of interviews, trying to find

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<v Speaker 1>someone who might know what happened to Brooke. One person

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<v Speaker 1>of interest was Ricky Shawn Shirley. He was Brooke's boyfriend

0:17:27.836 --> 0:17:30.076
<v Speaker 1>and he was with her the night that she went missing.

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<v Speaker 1>If you recall, Brooke left him a note that night

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<v Speaker 1>saying follow me if you care. Chief Ford hoped that

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<v Speaker 1>Sean Shirley might finally sit down with him and tell

0:17:42.116 --> 0:17:46.716
<v Speaker 1>him everything he knew. But that never happened, Remember I

0:17:46.876 --> 0:17:50.596
<v Speaker 1>told you. As part of the renewed investigation, the cops

0:17:50.596 --> 0:17:56.436
<v Speaker 1>searched Brook's old house. That happened September thirtieth, twenty nineteen.

0:17:57.356 --> 0:18:02.796
<v Speaker 1>Well a day later, Sean Shirley died, and then a

0:18:02.916 --> 0:18:08.076
<v Speaker 1>mysterious video was posted online. It's no longer up, but

0:18:08.156 --> 0:18:10.876
<v Speaker 1>I found someone who had a copy of it. In

0:18:10.876 --> 0:18:14.556
<v Speaker 1>this video, you can see Sean Shirley sitting by himself

0:18:14.836 --> 0:18:18.596
<v Speaker 1>in a darkened room. He's staring dead ahead like he's

0:18:18.596 --> 0:18:22.276
<v Speaker 1>in a trance. Then he turns to the camera and whispers.

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<v Speaker 1>When you listen carefully, it sounds like he might be

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<v Speaker 1>saying help. Then the video ends. It's extremely creepy and

0:18:31.476 --> 0:18:35.036
<v Speaker 1>it's hard to know what to make of it. According

0:18:35.036 --> 0:18:39.156
<v Speaker 1>to the local police, Sean's death was ruled an accidental overdose.

0:18:40.036 --> 0:18:45.516
<v Speaker 1>Button true Traveler's Rest fashion dark theories spin The video

0:18:45.636 --> 0:18:49.516
<v Speaker 1>is fueled speculation that maybe his death wasn't an accident,

0:18:50.356 --> 0:18:54.516
<v Speaker 1>maybe something more sinister happened, but those are just speculations.

0:18:55.636 --> 0:18:59.076
<v Speaker 1>The bottom line Sean Shirley, the guy people hoped had

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<v Speaker 1>the answers, he was now dead. At this point, both

0:19:06.956 --> 0:19:10.196
<v Speaker 1>Chief Ford and John Campbell believe that if they could

0:19:10.196 --> 0:19:13.796
<v Speaker 1>only find Brooks remains, they might solve this crime once

0:19:13.836 --> 0:19:17.076
<v Speaker 1>and for all. They have theories about where to look,

0:19:17.396 --> 0:19:21.396
<v Speaker 1>one place in particular, and the frustrating part is they

0:19:21.436 --> 0:19:27.156
<v Speaker 1>just can't get to it. When I was in Traveler's Rest,

0:19:27.716 --> 0:19:30.756
<v Speaker 1>John Campbell took me there to the spot where he

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<v Speaker 1>thinks Brooke may have been buried. To get there, we

0:19:34.396 --> 0:19:36.836
<v Speaker 1>hopped in his suv and took a drive down a

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<v Speaker 1>lonely road. The tidy streets of town quickly morphed into deep,

0:19:41.636 --> 0:19:46.036
<v Speaker 1>thick woods. You can get an idea about how big

0:19:46.076 --> 0:19:48.996
<v Speaker 1>the area is, how what a vast amount of land

0:19:49.036 --> 0:19:54.876
<v Speaker 1>there is, and how sporadic the houses are. So let's

0:19:54.876 --> 0:19:57.436
<v Speaker 1>you're talking about late at night. If you had to

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<v Speaker 1>get rid of a body out here, in the chances

0:19:59.156 --> 0:20:01.116
<v Speaker 1>of you're running into anybody everybody's seeing, it would be

0:20:01.156 --> 0:20:05.076
<v Speaker 1>pretty pretty slam. Eventually, John pulls his car over to

0:20:05.156 --> 0:20:07.716
<v Speaker 1>this side of the road. We're pretty high up on

0:20:07.716 --> 0:20:10.036
<v Speaker 1>a hillside at this point, and we have a view

0:20:10.356 --> 0:20:13.276
<v Speaker 1>down onto a sprawling field with a bunch of large

0:20:13.396 --> 0:20:19.196
<v Speaker 1>concrete structures. This is This is a typical water trap plant,

0:20:19.196 --> 0:20:23.276
<v Speaker 1>and there's a couple covered domes where water is treated.

0:20:23.796 --> 0:20:29.076
<v Speaker 1>This is the watershed for Greenville City. When Brooke Henson

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<v Speaker 1>went missing back in nineteen ninety nine, this water treatment

0:20:33.156 --> 0:20:36.996
<v Speaker 1>plant was still being built, and both John and Chief

0:20:37.036 --> 0:20:39.956
<v Speaker 1>Ford have gotten a number of tips over the years

0:20:39.996 --> 0:20:43.476
<v Speaker 1>that this is where her body was buried, interred in

0:20:43.516 --> 0:20:47.516
<v Speaker 1>the concrete. They've learned that several people who are with

0:20:47.596 --> 0:20:50.476
<v Speaker 1>Brook on the night that she vanished were working here

0:20:50.876 --> 0:20:54.596
<v Speaker 1>building the plant, so they would have had easy access

0:20:54.636 --> 0:20:58.316
<v Speaker 1>and could have hid her body and freshly poured concrete.

0:20:58.996 --> 0:21:02.556
<v Speaker 1>The problem is there's so much concrete in this facility,

0:21:03.156 --> 0:21:05.276
<v Speaker 1>tons and tons of it, that it would be very

0:21:05.276 --> 0:21:08.796
<v Speaker 1>difficult to find her remains. Now, in recent years, with

0:21:09.196 --> 0:21:12.676
<v Speaker 1>vances in technology, there are some really good ground penetrating

0:21:12.756 --> 0:21:16.716
<v Speaker 1>radars which might help a lot, But so far the

0:21:16.756 --> 0:21:21.516
<v Speaker 1>town hasn't been able to make this happen. There's one

0:21:21.636 --> 0:21:25.316
<v Speaker 1>final reason that John thinks that Brooks body maybe here

0:21:25.556 --> 0:21:29.556
<v Speaker 1>at the water treatment plant. He says, every time he

0:21:29.596 --> 0:21:34.036
<v Speaker 1>comes up here, he's being watched, and that right then

0:21:34.276 --> 0:21:37.596
<v Speaker 1>when I was standing with him, we were being watched.

0:21:38.236 --> 0:21:40.996
<v Speaker 1>We've already been spotted because three or four cars have

0:21:41.116 --> 0:21:43.556
<v Speaker 1>passed by here and they're calling around. Is already somebody

0:21:43.556 --> 0:21:46.076
<v Speaker 1>shaking their shoes that we're looking? Come on, do you

0:21:46.116 --> 0:21:48.636
<v Speaker 1>really believe that that has happened over and over and

0:21:48.676 --> 0:21:53.196
<v Speaker 1>over again every time we've come up here, John says.

0:21:53.276 --> 0:21:56.476
<v Speaker 1>The proof is that every time he or Chief Ford

0:21:56.556 --> 0:21:59.836
<v Speaker 1>come up here, right away someone dials up the police

0:21:59.876 --> 0:22:03.556
<v Speaker 1>department and says, you're looking in the wrong place. The

0:22:03.596 --> 0:22:06.836
<v Speaker 1>body's not there. Those people watch just trying to throw

0:22:06.876 --> 0:22:10.036
<v Speaker 1>you off the trail. Yeah, this is Look at this

0:22:10.276 --> 0:22:14.076
<v Speaker 1>somebody slowing down. What's going on? That's that's the rumor

0:22:14.196 --> 0:22:16.276
<v Speaker 1>mail right there that if it wasn't the three cars

0:22:16.316 --> 0:22:19.076
<v Speaker 1>before that one's calling already, that was a painting truck.

0:22:19.116 --> 0:22:21.956
<v Speaker 1>That was like, already know somebody, and they're calling somebody

0:22:21.956 --> 0:22:26.196
<v Speaker 1>who knows somebody. That's hard for me to believe. Well,

0:22:27.356 --> 0:22:29.836
<v Speaker 1>what it does for me is it tells me that

0:22:29.836 --> 0:22:32.956
<v Speaker 1>this is this is a tip that hasn't been fully vetted.

0:22:33.916 --> 0:22:36.796
<v Speaker 1>And until we drag a sled down air and get

0:22:38.036 --> 0:22:41.676
<v Speaker 1>an image that what's under that concrete, then this tip

0:22:41.796 --> 0:22:56.156
<v Speaker 1>is still not completely vetted. You can probably tell I

0:22:56.356 --> 0:22:59.556
<v Speaker 1>didn't buy John's whole theory about us being watched and

0:22:59.716 --> 0:23:02.316
<v Speaker 1>that someone would call in and say, you boys are

0:23:02.356 --> 0:23:05.756
<v Speaker 1>looking at the wrong place. It felt too much like well,

0:23:05.996 --> 0:23:11.596
<v Speaker 1>an episode of the X Files. But then lo and behold,

0:23:12.276 --> 0:23:14.916
<v Speaker 1>when we checked in with Chief Ford, he told us

0:23:15.036 --> 0:23:17.916
<v Speaker 1>that when we were up there, his phone rang and

0:23:17.996 --> 0:23:20.596
<v Speaker 1>an informant called in with a tip saying that the

0:23:20.716 --> 0:23:26.596
<v Speaker 1>body was buried elsewhere. It was a surreal moment, felt

0:23:26.596 --> 0:23:29.716
<v Speaker 1>a shiver run up my spine, and I started wondering

0:23:30.316 --> 0:23:33.796
<v Speaker 1>who else in this town was watching us or watching me,

0:23:34.556 --> 0:23:39.476
<v Speaker 1>and what did they know about brooks disappearance. For a moment,

0:23:39.716 --> 0:23:41.516
<v Speaker 1>I felt like I was in one of those movies

0:23:41.596 --> 0:23:44.756
<v Speaker 1>where the journalists asks too many questions and then late

0:23:44.796 --> 0:23:48.396
<v Speaker 1>at night, there's a knock at the door. Silly, I know,

0:23:49.076 --> 0:23:53.716
<v Speaker 1>but that's the thing about conspiracy theories. They're seductive. They

0:23:53.796 --> 0:23:59.876
<v Speaker 1>kind of cast a spell on you. Later that evening,

0:23:59.996 --> 0:24:02.876
<v Speaker 1>I got back to my Airbnb and came to my senses,

0:24:03.476 --> 0:24:07.116
<v Speaker 1>took a shower, had a beer, called my wife. But

0:24:07.916 --> 0:24:10.236
<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to lie to you. Some part of

0:24:10.236 --> 0:24:12.956
<v Speaker 1>me kept on waiting for a knock on the door.

0:24:20.076 --> 0:24:22.996
<v Speaker 1>For the Henson family, at least the members I spoke with,

0:24:23.516 --> 0:24:27.196
<v Speaker 1>the lack of closure is hard. Brooks' parents have both

0:24:27.196 --> 0:24:30.996
<v Speaker 1>passed away, but her cousins, Pattie and Holly Henson, have

0:24:31.116 --> 0:24:33.716
<v Speaker 1>spent years trying to keep the memory of their cousin

0:24:33.756 --> 0:24:37.476
<v Speaker 1>alive and hoping that maybe they'll find out what happened

0:24:37.476 --> 0:24:40.316
<v Speaker 1>to her. They told me that they did not harbor

0:24:40.396 --> 0:24:45.116
<v Speaker 1>bad feelings towards Esther Reid, a real contrast to Aunt Lisa.

0:24:45.276 --> 0:24:48.796
<v Speaker 1>They said that, if anything, they were grateful that Esther's story,

0:24:48.996 --> 0:24:52.476
<v Speaker 1>with all its notoriety, had drawn attention to brookes case,

0:24:53.276 --> 0:24:54.956
<v Speaker 1>not that it's done a lot of good so far.

0:24:55.516 --> 0:24:58.796
<v Speaker 1>They hoped for a while that Brook's old boyfriend, Sean Shirley,

0:24:58.876 --> 0:25:01.996
<v Speaker 1>might come forward with new information, or that the police

0:25:01.996 --> 0:25:06.516
<v Speaker 1>would finally break the case open. It's been frustrating for them.

0:25:06.636 --> 0:25:10.156
<v Speaker 1>I asked cousin Holly about the investigation as it now stands.

0:25:10.836 --> 0:25:15.756
<v Speaker 1>How optimistic or confident do you feel that they're ever

0:25:15.836 --> 0:25:18.796
<v Speaker 1>going to find out what happened to Brooke and where

0:25:18.796 --> 0:25:23.276
<v Speaker 1>her body may be. Not very confident at all. I

0:25:23.316 --> 0:25:28.396
<v Speaker 1>don't think they will. Why do you say that it's

0:25:28.476 --> 0:25:33.916
<v Speaker 1>been this long Sean Shirley is now dead. I feel

0:25:33.956 --> 0:25:38.716
<v Speaker 1>like when he died, I remember having tears because I

0:25:38.836 --> 0:25:42.436
<v Speaker 1>was like, well it's over now, We're never gonna find Brooke.

0:25:43.196 --> 0:25:45.756
<v Speaker 1>I asked cousin Patty what it would mean to her

0:25:46.036 --> 0:25:49.316
<v Speaker 1>if they could find Brooks remains. I feel like it

0:25:49.316 --> 0:25:53.716
<v Speaker 1>would mean everything. I feel like she deserves justice. She

0:25:53.796 --> 0:25:56.796
<v Speaker 1>didn't ask for what happened to her. She was a

0:25:56.836 --> 0:26:02.996
<v Speaker 1>free spirit just because she liked a party and hung

0:26:02.996 --> 0:26:06.436
<v Speaker 1>out with the wrong crowd. She didn't deserve to be

0:26:08.596 --> 0:26:12.396
<v Speaker 1>just dumped and forgot about. I'm sure if that was

0:26:12.716 --> 0:26:18.756
<v Speaker 1>your daughters, you know you wouldn't want that either. By

0:26:18.796 --> 0:26:23.756
<v Speaker 1>most accounts, the investigation into Brooke Henson's disappearance failed very

0:26:23.756 --> 0:26:28.076
<v Speaker 1>early on. John Campbell told me that initially the Traveler's

0:26:28.156 --> 0:26:31.796
<v Speaker 1>Rest Police department didn't recognize this as a possible murder,

0:26:32.036 --> 0:26:34.356
<v Speaker 1>and by the time they got serious about all this,

0:26:34.876 --> 0:26:39.156
<v Speaker 1>they missed their best chance to solve the case. I

0:26:39.276 --> 0:26:42.636
<v Speaker 1>heard versions of this from other people too, who Traveler's Rest.

0:26:43.396 --> 0:26:45.916
<v Speaker 1>They told me that because Brooke was a high school

0:26:45.996 --> 0:26:49.036
<v Speaker 1>dropout and seen as a party girl, that her case

0:26:49.156 --> 0:26:53.476
<v Speaker 1>wasn't taken seriously, at least at first. Brook story only

0:26:53.516 --> 0:26:56.076
<v Speaker 1>truly caught the attention of the public in a big

0:26:56.116 --> 0:27:02.596
<v Speaker 1>way when it intersected with Esther reads. It's interesting because

0:27:03.116 --> 0:27:05.836
<v Speaker 1>Esther was also a high school dropout who for a

0:27:05.876 --> 0:27:09.676
<v Speaker 1>long time existed in the margins of society, living a

0:27:09.716 --> 0:27:13.916
<v Speaker 1>transient life, struggling with her social anxiety. It was only

0:27:13.916 --> 0:27:17.076
<v Speaker 1>when she fled Columbia University and was depicted as a

0:27:17.156 --> 0:27:21.836
<v Speaker 1>spy and a seductress that suddenly everyone seemed to care.

0:27:42.476 --> 0:27:45.716
<v Speaker 1>Sun is shining, and Spokane it is for the first

0:27:45.716 --> 0:27:49.156
<v Speaker 1>time in a week. Well did shine yesterday, but before

0:27:49.196 --> 0:27:54.716
<v Speaker 1>that it was not funny. This past spring, I spent

0:27:54.756 --> 0:27:58.236
<v Speaker 1>a week with Esther in Spokane, Washington. That's where she

0:27:58.316 --> 0:28:01.676
<v Speaker 1>lives these days. On this occasion, I was driving with

0:28:01.716 --> 0:28:04.796
<v Speaker 1>her to work. Everybody here is very very nice. I

0:28:04.876 --> 0:28:08.436
<v Speaker 1>noticed that super friendly when about running or walking. Yeah,

0:28:08.556 --> 0:28:11.156
<v Speaker 1>that part is familiar to how To where I grew

0:28:11.236 --> 0:28:15.596
<v Speaker 1>up in Montana. Everybody's very nice and kind. For the

0:28:15.676 --> 0:28:19.796
<v Speaker 1>most part. Esther is in her mid forties now, and

0:28:19.996 --> 0:28:23.236
<v Speaker 1>she has a new life. She has friends, a good job,

0:28:23.436 --> 0:28:26.236
<v Speaker 1>a home, even a new dog, a little shit soon

0:28:26.316 --> 0:28:30.236
<v Speaker 1>named Louis. She's also gone through therapy, which has helped

0:28:30.236 --> 0:28:33.636
<v Speaker 1>with her social anxiety. In the car ride that day,

0:28:33.876 --> 0:28:36.796
<v Speaker 1>we talked about all kinds of things, like I asked

0:28:36.796 --> 0:28:40.396
<v Speaker 1>her if she ever saw herself getting married. M don't.

0:28:40.436 --> 0:28:43.996
<v Speaker 1>I don't know that. I believe in marriage. I wouldn't

0:28:44.036 --> 0:28:46.916
<v Speaker 1>be opposed to it. I would never change my name.

0:28:49.836 --> 0:28:53.036
<v Speaker 1>That's kind. Now, that's kind of ironic. Well, I'm very

0:28:53.076 --> 0:28:55.836
<v Speaker 1>attached to Matthews now. I mean it's I know it

0:28:55.916 --> 0:28:58.116
<v Speaker 1>is ironic. I would change my first name in a heartbeat.

0:28:58.556 --> 0:29:02.076
<v Speaker 1>She goes by Esther Matthews now. She made the switch

0:29:02.116 --> 0:29:05.556
<v Speaker 1>after she got out of prison. One last name change,

0:29:05.876 --> 0:29:12.116
<v Speaker 1>this time legally before a judge Eventually we arrived at

0:29:12.156 --> 0:29:18.156
<v Speaker 1>Gonzaga University. Nice. We arrived in one piece. That's always good.

0:29:19.196 --> 0:29:22.676
<v Speaker 1>And this is where Esther works. She's now a professor here,

0:29:23.076 --> 0:29:27.396
<v Speaker 1>Professor Esther Matthews. After getting out of prison, Esther went

0:29:27.436 --> 0:29:31.156
<v Speaker 1>back to school. She got her PhD in criminology and

0:29:31.316 --> 0:29:35.716
<v Speaker 1>landed a job teaching, first American University and then here

0:29:35.836 --> 0:29:40.236
<v Speaker 1>at Gonzaga. Esther gives me a little tour of campus,

0:29:40.796 --> 0:29:44.556
<v Speaker 1>and as she does, she tells me about her academic research.

0:29:45.116 --> 0:29:48.916
<v Speaker 1>She's done a number of in depth ethnographic investigations of

0:29:48.996 --> 0:29:53.636
<v Speaker 1>prison life, including a close look at several solitary confinement units.

0:29:54.556 --> 0:29:58.276
<v Speaker 1>She's also interested in reentry, looking at how we as

0:29:58.276 --> 0:30:01.276
<v Speaker 1>a society can best help people as they returned to

0:30:01.316 --> 0:30:05.356
<v Speaker 1>their communities. I always knew I would like researching, and

0:30:05.396 --> 0:30:07.196
<v Speaker 1>then I was like, oh, I can teach to research.

0:30:07.276 --> 0:30:11.836
<v Speaker 1>That's fine. And then I started teaching. And my students

0:30:11.876 --> 0:30:18.076
<v Speaker 1>are just the most fabulous, lovely human beings on the planet.

0:30:18.676 --> 0:30:21.996
<v Speaker 1>Esther says she loves how compassionate and non judgmental her

0:30:22.036 --> 0:30:25.156
<v Speaker 1>students are, and she's told them a lot about herself,

0:30:25.476 --> 0:30:29.516
<v Speaker 1>including her troubles as a teenager, her struggles with social anxiety,

0:30:29.956 --> 0:30:33.436
<v Speaker 1>even her time in prison. What they don't know, what

0:30:33.596 --> 0:30:36.996
<v Speaker 1>hardly anyone knows, is exactly why she ended up in prison.

0:30:37.356 --> 0:30:42.116
<v Speaker 1>The whole Esther Reid's story, with all its tawdry, tabloid melodrama,

0:30:42.396 --> 0:30:46.516
<v Speaker 1>she just hasn't gotten into it, really. But every once

0:30:46.556 --> 0:30:49.836
<v Speaker 1>in a while someone connects the dots, figures out that

0:30:49.916 --> 0:30:55.076
<v Speaker 1>Professor Esther Matthews is in fact Esther Reid. She'll get

0:30:55.076 --> 0:30:57.676
<v Speaker 1>a call or an email out of the blue, and

0:30:57.716 --> 0:31:01.116
<v Speaker 1>so finally last fall, she figured why not take the

0:31:01.196 --> 0:31:05.076
<v Speaker 1>reins tell her full story on her own terms. So

0:31:05.396 --> 0:31:08.036
<v Speaker 1>what do you do in this situation when you're a professor?

0:31:09.236 --> 0:31:11.876
<v Speaker 1>A talk at a symposium? Right? And she happened to

0:31:11.876 --> 0:31:15.116
<v Speaker 1>be organizing a big event to Gonzaga and thought this

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<v Speaker 1>could work. So she invited all of her students, all

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<v Speaker 1>of her colleagues, anyone who wanted to come. On the

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<v Speaker 1>day of the event, a crowd gathered at a large

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<v Speaker 1>lecture hall on campus. Esther aka Professor Matthews stood at

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<v Speaker 1>the front of the room. Okay, So, like I said,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna go probably till about ten after she starts

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<v Speaker 1>by telling the crowd straight up that this isn't going

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<v Speaker 1>to be easy for her. I also have social anxiety disorder,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm going to try to be unapologetically anxious. But

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to talk about a lot of different facets

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<v Speaker 1>of my life and my experience in custody. She hits

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<v Speaker 1>a button on her laptop and an image flashes onto

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<v Speaker 1>the movie screen behind her. It's a picture of a

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<v Speaker 1>woman and a toddler standing in a garden framed by

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<v Speaker 1>pine trees. It's summertime. The woman is in jeans and

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<v Speaker 1>a blue, short sleeved shirt. This lovely woman is my mom,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is me as a little baby growing up.

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<v Speaker 1>This is our house in Montana. And I will talk

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<v Speaker 1>about many different identities that I've had, but the only

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<v Speaker 1>identity that I claim is her daughter, and I will

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<v Speaker 1>likely get emotion. Esther also explains how after her mom

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<v Speaker 1>passed away, she cut ties with her family to escape

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<v Speaker 1>a situation that was toxic for her. The thing I

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<v Speaker 1>became infamous for is that I didn't want my family

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<v Speaker 1>to find me, and so I started taking on the

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<v Speaker 1>identities of other individuals. There's another image on the screen now.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a collage actually, including a picture of Esther and

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<v Speaker 1>a boyfriend from West Point, climbing Mount Washington, Esther dressed

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<v Speaker 1>up for a party, surrounded by other twenty somethings, and

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<v Speaker 1>then there's a snapshot of Esther's ID from Columbia University.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even remember how many people's names I used,

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<v Speaker 1>but at one point I was Natalie Fisher, at one

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<v Speaker 1>point I was Natalie Bowman. Then it came Brooke Henson.

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<v Speaker 1>What I would do as I would get identification in

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<v Speaker 1>their name, and then I would try and start over

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<v Speaker 1>stealing all of these identities, Esther explains eventually landed her

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<v Speaker 1>in prison. But that is the hard part of my story,

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<v Speaker 1>and I now want to switch to the good part

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<v Speaker 1>of my story, which is kind of another life shift.

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<v Speaker 1>Once I was released from custody, I had to start

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<v Speaker 1>to think about how I was going to rebuild my

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<v Speaker 1>life as Esther Reid, which you're probably thinking, you're doctor Matthews,

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<v Speaker 1>So I'll explain. You can hear that little murmur from

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<v Speaker 1>the audience, like folks are processing what she just said,

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<v Speaker 1>because this is actually the first time she's mentioned the

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<v Speaker 1>name Esther Reid. Remember, everyone here knows her as Professor Matthews.

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<v Speaker 1>So she starts to explain how she became professor Matthews

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<v Speaker 1>how after getting out of prison, she found a job

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<v Speaker 1>in the construction industry, started taking classes, got her b A,

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<v Speaker 1>and her PhD. Became a professor of criminology who studies

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<v Speaker 1>the challenges that people face when they come home from prison.

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<v Speaker 1>She has a lot of thoughts about this. She's on research,

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<v Speaker 1>for example, on the word inmate, how people react more

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<v Speaker 1>favorably to hearing that a person is being released from

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<v Speaker 1>prison versus an inmate. Another problematic word, she says, is

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<v Speaker 1>rehabilitation because it suggests that we need to cure people

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<v Speaker 1>to somehow alter who they fundamentally are. I have not

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<v Speaker 1>been rehabilitated, right, I received resource and I had opportunities. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>nobody rehabilitated me. I am the same person who is

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<v Speaker 1>a risk taker. I am still sassy, I am still defiant.

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<v Speaker 1>I still don't like authority. I'm still that same person.

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<v Speaker 1>I just have resources and support to help me build

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<v Speaker 1>a life that means more to me than what one

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<v Speaker 1>of my friends calls burning the house down. I love

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<v Speaker 1>to burn the house down, right, That's my favorite thing

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<v Speaker 1>to do. But I just do it an illegal way. Now, right,

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<v Speaker 1>with my research and all of this supports her belief,

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<v Speaker 1>underscored by both her research and her experiences, that words matter.

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<v Speaker 1>So today these are my words. Right, I'm a professor,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a researcher, I'm a scholar. We can be those

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<v Speaker 1>things if you stop calling us the other things. When

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<v Speaker 1>she's done, she asks for questions. A man raises his

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<v Speaker 1>hand and ask about her current name, Esther Matthews, as

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<v Speaker 1>if to say, where did that come from? I know

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<v Speaker 1>you keep this is spice, but I wanted to know

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<v Speaker 1>the Matthews verse. Oh oh, so my mom is Florence Matthews.

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<v Speaker 1>So finally, when I got off probation, I was able

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<v Speaker 1>to change my name illegally, this time from Esther Reid

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<v Speaker 1>to Esther Matthews. But I would much rather have changed

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<v Speaker 1>my first name and last name, but I didn't think

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<v Speaker 1>the judge would go for that because I really liked

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<v Speaker 1>being Natalie. But next to now, I'm stuck with Esther.

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<v Speaker 1>But I wish I had said Natalie Matthews. But whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't have everything I want, right, Does anybody else

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<v Speaker 1>have another question? We love you, Esther, and that was it. Afterwards,

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<v Speaker 1>students and other panelists from the day's events came up

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<v Speaker 1>to her, thanked her for her talk, told her they'd

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<v Speaker 1>see her later. To her students, she was still who

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<v Speaker 1>she'd always been, perhaps who she was always meant to be.

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<v Speaker 1>Professor Esther Matthews, her mother's daughter. All of this made

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<v Speaker 1>me wonder who Brooke Henson might have been, who she

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<v Speaker 1>might have become, if she'd ever emerged from that darkened

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<v Speaker 1>road in Traveler's Rest all those years ago. Follow me

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<v Speaker 1>if you care, She'd scrawled on a handwritten note like

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<v Speaker 1>a traveler's prayer, the hope that when we are gone,

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<v Speaker 1>our absence will be felt, and should we not return

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<v Speaker 1>in time, they will search. Ben Ford of the Traveler's

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<v Speaker 1>Rest Police Department is still working diligently on the Brookhnson

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<v Speaker 1>case to find out what happened to her. If you

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<v Speaker 1>have any new information that might be helpful, please contact

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<v Speaker 1>him at Ford at t R police dot com. Deep

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<v Speaker 1>Cover is produced by Amy Gaines and Jacob Smith. It's

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