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Speaker 1: When the lights go down, the truth comes out.

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Speaker 2: Tucker, You're not the father. This has to be wrong.

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Speaker 3: After Hours with Alex Stein, no filter, if it was okay,

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Speaker 1: Animal satin, no apologies.

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Speaker 2: You were talking about things that probably you shouldn't talk about.

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Speaker 1: The undisputed King of Trolling show.

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Speaker 4: At one point, your ancestor's own slaves.

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Speaker 1: They tried to cancel.

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Speaker 2: Us deep platforming works. He wants to kill babies, but

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Speaker 2: she's still beautiful. Look at that booty on AOC. That's

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Speaker 2: my favorite, big boody.

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Speaker 1: Latina politics, culture hypocrisy.

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Speaker 4: They want them to have their penises cut.

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Speaker 1: Off, uncensored and uncontrolled hierarchy.

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Speaker 4: That's not saying they admit they want to cut people's penises.

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Speaker 1: On late night just got dangerous.

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Speaker 3: After Hours with your host Alex Stein starts right now.

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Speaker 4: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to After Ours with Alex Stein,

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Speaker 4: right here in Real America's voice, and tonight we have

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Speaker 4: a very special program plan for you.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's right.

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Speaker 4: This is our first two part series. Because our guest

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Speaker 4: lot of controversial guests on. But I wanted to steal

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Speaker 4: a page from his playbook, and I wanted to give

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Speaker 4: him a proper introduction. So ladies and gentlemen, strap in

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Speaker 4: tonight because the based Pastor is here to set your

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Speaker 4: algorithm on fire once again. He's the reform Baptist firebrand, husband,

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Speaker 4: father of four, and absolute menace behind inter X Studios

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Speaker 4: who just dropped the nuke that punches Pilot wanted to

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Speaker 4: free Jesus, but face serious scrutiny from the Israeli lobby,

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Speaker 4: and the replies will be melting down once we post

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Speaker 4: this online. This is the guy who says anti Semitism

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Speaker 4: is simply saying the truth, calls out Protestant ministers, bending

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Speaker 4: over backwards to partner with folks who think Jesus is

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Speaker 4: a blaspheming bastard while treatings like public Enemy number one,

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Speaker 4: and keeps preaching that America needs regime change, but for America.

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Speaker 4: Whether he's warning about Israel going rogue again or reminding

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Speaker 4: everyone that Christ is King even on Baptism Day, he

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Speaker 4: never misses.

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Speaker 2: Buckle up, folks, and please welcome to the show. The One,

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Speaker 2: the Only Pastor Joel Webb and Joel, how do you feel?

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the show?

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Speaker 5: Feeling great? Thanks for having me, Alex really appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: No, it is an honor and privilege.

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Speaker 4: I know that they call you controversial, and I was

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Speaker 4: looking up some of your controversies. Really they weren't even

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Speaker 4: that controversial. I mean, one thing that is said online

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Speaker 4: is said that you said slavery was good because it

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Speaker 4: actually brought the slaves closer to Jesus.

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Speaker 2: And you know me, as a debater, I debate these topics.

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Speaker 2: I think there's a lot.

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Speaker 4: the first hot question.

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Speaker 5: Can you do it?

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Speaker 4: Can you elaborate a little bit on that statement? And

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Speaker 4: I guess the hot water got you in.

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Speaker 5: What I'm saying is the outcome, the results of slavery

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Speaker 5: It's like, well, we need reparations because where a mistreat,

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Speaker 5: your reparations or that you get to live in America,

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Speaker 5: those are your reparations. And if that's not enough, it

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Speaker 5: So we've been paying reparations. I pay taxes, and it

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Speaker 5: disproportionately per capita goes to black people. Right, So there's

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Speaker 5: your reparations. Now that we have that out of the

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Speaker 5: But it was white Europeans. So I think that that

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Speaker 5: They take the Lord's Supper right alongside their masters, their Christians.

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Speaker 5: Ephesian says, masters, if you have slaves, treat them with respect, benevolence, kindness.

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Speaker 5: So that Christian impetus was not to not have masters

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Speaker 5: if you really put yourself in their shoes, these were

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Speaker 4: No, I mean that's a hot take, and I appreciate

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Speaker 2: Right of course, And so I think that's usually how.

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Speaker 4: We live in this online world, where you just kind

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Speaker 2: To cancel you for it.

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Speaker 4: So I do want to ask you, and it's just

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Speaker 4: crazy because every answer, you know, we're talking about this

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Speaker 4: very serious stuff. You can't just give you a thirty

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Speaker 4: Judaeo Christian thing. But can you give me the dichotomy

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Speaker 5: Yeah, So first I want to be clear, so I'll

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Speaker 5: I'll just say it Tucker Carlson Patriot. I like him,

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Speaker 5: I appreciate him, I am praying for him. I've had

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Speaker 5: if I had one critique for Tucker, and I would He's.

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Speaker 2: My biological stepfather.

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Speaker 5: You know he's going to see this, and I would

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Speaker 5: say it respectfully. I would say, Tucker, you're a little

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Speaker 5: bit too soft on Muslims. So let me start with

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Speaker 5: a disclaimer and then I'll answer your question. The disclaimer

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Speaker 5: we want to honor our fathers. That's a fifth commandment

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Speaker 5: want to do that. And I think that it's dishonoring

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Speaker 5: pretend like Islam is a natural ally of Christianity is

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Speaker 5: naive at best and dishonest at worst. And I'll give

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Speaker 5: Tucker the benefit of the doubt.

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Speaker 6: That is simply the real quick though, Tucker used to

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Speaker 4: I mean, he was famously canceled for spiking, you know, boldly, and.

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Speaker 5: He's changed his tune. And I think he's changed his tune,

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Speaker 5: not because he's going to convert. You know that all

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Speaker 5: and all these guys are like he's undercover Muslim. I

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Speaker 5: don't think that we're going to find Tucker converting to

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Speaker 5: his now since zero, but I think what he's recognizing.

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Speaker 5: So that's a disclaimer. Muslims are not natural allies of Christians. Right.

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Speaker 5: I'm a simple man. I don't like Islam and I

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Speaker 5: don't like Judia.

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Speaker 4: Well, real quick, I'm trying to cutting off because that

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Speaker 5: So that so that is true. So here's my point.

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Speaker 5: My point is not that we should be buddy buddy

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Speaker 5: All that rhetoric might be believable. Might be believable if

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Speaker 2: One the only Joel Webin in studio now. Joel, I

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Speaker 5: other portions where he's actually trying to win over Jews,

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Speaker 5: and so he's you know, making you know or in

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Speaker 5: these cities there's a collection of Jews there among the gentiles.

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Speaker 5: And he's saying, no, no, if you think that ultimately

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Speaker 5: the credentials are your jewishness, then I promise you I've

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Speaker 5: got you beat. But this is him, this is him

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Speaker 5: using hyperbolic language like it's true, but he's it's like

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Speaker 5: he's playing the devil's advocate. He's saying this shouldn't matter,

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Speaker 5: but because it matters so much to you microd insuals

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Speaker 5: right exactly. So this is the same poll who says

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Speaker 5: it's not circumcision of the flesh that matters, but circumcision

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Speaker 5: of the heart. And then yet, even though he had

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Speaker 5: two sons in the faith, Timothy and Titus, one of

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Speaker 5: them he said, you don't need to be circumcised because

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Speaker 5: that doesn't matter. The other one he made him get

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Speaker 5: circumcised as a grown man.

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Speaker 2: That's our core, you know, that guy for ABC News

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Speaker 2: or whatever.

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Speaker 5: And then he has them do it. Though he has

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Speaker 5: him do it not because he thinks theologically in the

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Speaker 5: objective that it matters to God, but because he's going

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Speaker 5: to take that particular disciple in the faith to go

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Speaker 5: and minister predominantly among Jews. And so he's saying, so

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Speaker 5: that we would avoid even the appearance, the subjective appearance

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Speaker 5: of evil, so that they would hopefully had the most

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Speaker 5: opportunity to listen to what we're saying about Jesus, we're

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Speaker 5: going to play ball a little bit.

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Speaker 4: Well, did you see that Daily Mail came out with

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Speaker 4: an article and there was a big conspiracy that the

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Speaker 4: man's g spot is in the anus, and that's not true.

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Speaker 5: It's actually the foreskin.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's actually the foreskin. And then they cut all

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Speaker 4: of our foreskin off.

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Speaker 5: And who convinced people that it was in a lot

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Speaker 5: of Jews.

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean, I'm just gonna say, is that true?

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Speaker 2: Rabbi Shmooley said that.

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Speaker 5: I was going to say, I find it very ironic

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Speaker 5: that a certain small sector of the population convinces men

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Speaker 5: that the G spot for a man is in the

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Speaker 5: anus so that they'll be encouraged to be homosexuals. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 5: they also push for circumcision to take away the actual

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Speaker 5: G spot that is.

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Speaker 2: It's it's bizarre. Daily Mail came out with this.

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Speaker 4: Daily Mail is not anti Semitic or anything for them

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Speaker 4: to say, oh, well, the g saw's actually basically in

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Speaker 4: the forest.

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Speaker 5: Whoops.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I know, I thought that was a little egregious.

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Speaker 4: And they actually do say that, you know, you do

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Speaker 4: get more sexual pleasure if you're not circumcised. I've heard that,

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Speaker 4: and so I am I'm toast, but it is what

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Speaker 4: it is.

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Speaker 2: Can I get an uncircumcision? Can I? Can I saw about?

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Speaker 5: I don't think it works that we don't.

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Speaker 4: Okay, oh gosh, so maybe I'll be the first person

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Speaker 4: if Elon can give me a robot penis, that would

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Speaker 4: be good. So, Joe, you know, I really love talking

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Speaker 4: about all this biblical you know, truth, I guess is

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Speaker 4: what I'll call it, because we have these four prophet preachers,

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Speaker 4: and I think the Prosperity Gospel to me is even

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Speaker 4: uglier than Aleister Crowley or Satanism, because at least we

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Speaker 4: know what the Satanist worships. Instead of manipulating people into

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Speaker 4: thinking that if you give them money and you tithe

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Speaker 4: what it does say in the Bible to do, but

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Speaker 4: you're using that as a manipulative manipulation tactic to serve

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Speaker 4: your own self interest.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, telling people that they should tithe not at the

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Speaker 5: expense of feeding their children those but like a free

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Speaker 5: will gift to the Lord, and that they should do

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Speaker 5: it as a response of gratitude for what the Lord

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Speaker 5: freely gave us, namely Christ, and do it as an

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Speaker 5: act of obedience is one thing. But telling them that

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Speaker 5: it's tit for tat, that it's quid pro quote that

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Speaker 5: if you give your money to the Lord akaa to

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Speaker 5: me so that I can increase my salary, that God

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Speaker 5: will give you a ferrari. That God will financially bless you.

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Speaker 5: That's a lie from the bit of help.

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Speaker 2: I really I posted this thing.

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Speaker 4: Then the CIA director said, then they're talking about the

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Speaker 4: rescue mission to get the down pilot. He said, well,

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Speaker 4: they used a deception campaign against the Iranian people, and

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Speaker 4: he just openly said that. And to me, that was

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Speaker 4: very shocking because I think it's obvious they're using a

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Speaker 4: deception campaign against American citizens and probably people all.

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Speaker 2: Over the world.

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Speaker 4: So it's a little scary that all the comments were like,

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Speaker 4: why would the CIA be doing that against us? You're

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Speaker 4: an idiot, You're a libtard, Like what do you think

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Speaker 4: the CIA would come after American citizens?

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Speaker 2: Like yeah, those are the first people they had come after.

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Speaker 4: So I just I have not a lot of faith

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Speaker 4: in humanity in waking up to.

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Speaker 2: The truth of the world that we live in. Jel Yeah,

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Speaker 2: is that too black built?

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Speaker 5: No, I think it's if white piled means putting your

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Speaker 5: head in the sand and just trusting the plan in

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Speaker 5: seventeen D Chess, then that's not actually hopefulness. Hope is

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Speaker 5: a Christian virtue, but hope is not achieved by being naive.

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Speaker 5: Hope Abraham hoped against all hope, meaning that he actually

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Speaker 5: knew how bad things really were, and yet in the

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Speaker 5: midst not ignoring the problems, but looking the problems straight

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Speaker 5: in the face, and yet saw Christ as greater than

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Speaker 5: all the evils of the world. World. That's our hope.

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Speaker 5: So we it's not actually hope if we don't actually

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Speaker 5: anticipate and acknowledge the real danger. True hope is seeing

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Speaker 5: things for how they really are, how black it is,

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Speaker 5: how evil, how corrupt, and yet still trusting that Christ

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Speaker 5: will win in the end, and that he's worth all

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Speaker 5: the costs. That's hope.

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Speaker 2: Guys.

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Speaker 4: Coming up after the break, we're going to find out

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Speaker 4: from Pastor Joel Webbin if the Devil was the original influencer.

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Speaker 2: Coming up next, you don't want to miss it.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to After Hours, Unreal America's boys.

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Speaker 4: Welcome back to After Hours with Alex Stein right here

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Speaker 4: in Real America's voice.

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Speaker 2: Now we are diving deep.

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Speaker 4: We got a two part series with the based pastor,

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Speaker 4: the one the Only, Joel Webbin and Joel, I want

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Speaker 4: to play this clip and I thought it was kind

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Speaker 4: of interesting. This guy is talking to TMZ about whether

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Speaker 4: or not the Devil was the original influencer and sounds kind.

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Speaker 2: Of cutey Patucci, but I think it's kind of true.

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Speaker 2: So let's let's play it.

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Speaker 8: Being in you can say he's the original influencer right

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Speaker 8: from the beginning, and he influences people to do terrible things.

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Speaker 8: And that's where the real problem is is for people

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Speaker 8: that aren't connected to God, they're easy targets to pick

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Speaker 8: off by the Devil.

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Speaker 2: So journey truth to that.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, can I can I be a little bit spicy?

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Speaker 2: Oh, you get as spicy as you want.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, all right, So the Devil is I think, in

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Speaker 5: many ways the original influencer. The question that I think

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Speaker 5: that that raises, or at least should raise, for many

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Speaker 5: of us, is who was the original influenced? Who was

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Speaker 5: he influencing the woman?

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Speaker 2: Oh you're talking about Adam and Eve?

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Speaker 5: Yes, so I believe. And much of Christian history teaches

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Speaker 5: us both Protestant Reform reformers within Protestant traditional Christian history

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Speaker 5: as well as Catholics going all the way back to

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Speaker 5: aquinas guys like Augustine, and they all agreed that Adam

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Speaker 5: and it's not to absolve Adam of moral culpability, but

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Speaker 5: that Adam sinned with his eyes wide open. The apostle

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Speaker 5: Paul in Scripture this is first timpathy. Chapter two. He says,

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Speaker 5: the woman was deceived and became a sinner, but she

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Speaker 5: will be saved through childbearing if she continues with faith, hope, love,

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Speaker 5: with propriety, and says the Adam was not deceived, but

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Speaker 5: the woman was deceived. So I believe that Adam was

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Speaker 5: the federal head of all creation, including his wife, and

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Speaker 5: when he fell, because he too sinned, all of creation

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Speaker 5: was subjected to the curse of sin. Now Adam sin,

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Speaker 5: if anything, He's more guilty for two reasons. One because

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Speaker 5: of his headship his position of authority. Secondly, because of

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Speaker 5: the manner of his fall. He fell with his eyes

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Speaker 5: wide open. He knew what he was doing. Ultimately, I

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Speaker 5: think the sin that Adam committed was not the sin

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Speaker 5: of being hoodwinked or deceived, but the sin of idolatry.

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Speaker 5: He saw what happened with his wife. He knew that

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Speaker 5: God had said, on the day that you eat of

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Speaker 5: the fruit, you shall surely die. He said, I'd rather

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Speaker 5: die with her than live with God. He chose his

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Speaker 5: wife over God. It was idolatry, But the woman was

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Speaker 5: actually deceived. So if Satan was the original influencer, which

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Speaker 5: I think that that's a insightful point that that priest

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Speaker 5: was making. I think there's a lot of truth to that.

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Speaker 5: But I think we should ask, you know, who was

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Speaker 5: the most vulnerable piece of creation, most easy to influence?

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Speaker 2: Women?

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Speaker 5: And I think it was women, which is I think

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Speaker 5: just one more reason why we got to repeal the

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Speaker 5: nineteenth Yeah.

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Speaker 2: There we go.

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Speaker 4: We love a little misogyny on the show, and I actually,

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Speaker 4: you know, I hear that debate. I feel like women

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Speaker 4: should be able to vote, but at the same.

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Speaker 5: Way, I think they can vote on some things. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: like the color of the carpet.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I see that. Well, I guess my port is

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Speaker 2: I do value.

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Speaker 4: Women because you said it absolves them of their sin

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Speaker 4: because they can have babies. We all came through the

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Speaker 4: portal of divinity their womb, and that is something very

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Speaker 4: special that we all come through.

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Speaker 5: So the scripture literally says that man is ruling over

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Speaker 5: each husband rules over his wife has authority. But then

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Speaker 5: the scripture liarly says, but don't get cocky. I'm paraphrasing,

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Speaker 5: don't get cocky men, because woman came from man. Originally

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Speaker 5: right is out of man's side, Adam's rib his side,

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Speaker 5: Eve was formed. But now men come from women, and

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Speaker 5: so the Christian ethic is not egalitarianism, that man and

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Speaker 5: women are exactly the same and equal in every respect.

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Speaker 5: The Christian ethic is that the man rules over the wife,

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Speaker 5: but should do so with a christ like sacrificial love,

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Speaker 5: willing to lay down his life for his wife. So

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Speaker 5: the man actually is the head. And here's the deal.

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Speaker 5: It says something about the character of God. If we say, well,

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Speaker 5: I believe that I'm a traditional conservative Christian. I believe

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Speaker 5: that the husband is the head of the wife, and

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Speaker 5: I believe in male elders and pastors in the church.

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Speaker 5: But that's just the role. That's not really the design.

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Speaker 5: If you don't think it's the design, then what you're

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Speaker 5: saying is that the roles that God assigned to men

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Speaker 5: and women is capricious. It's arbitrary in some sense. It's

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Speaker 5: cruel that God actually looked at men and women and said,

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Speaker 5: you know what, anything you can do, she can do better.

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Speaker 5: She could do anything better than you. But I'm going

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Speaker 5: to have this random, arbitrary rule in place that he's

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Speaker 5: going to lead for some reason.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: No, I actually think that God calls men to lead

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Speaker 5: because He also equipped men to lead, and I think

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Speaker 5: one of those characteristics of men, And this is a

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Speaker 5: difficult concept for people to understand, but per capita, I'm

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Speaker 5: speaking in generalities. You can find one really, you know,

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Speaker 5: based gal who's not so gullible. But in general, I

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Speaker 5: think that men are less susceptible to being deceived than women.

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Speaker 5: And that is one leadership.

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Speaker 4: Quality and the most simplistic manner and most reductive manner

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Speaker 4: of men are usually have their guard up a little

651
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Speaker 4: more than women, and that's why the women are more

652
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Speaker 4: vulnerable in that situation. But actually I want to ask you,

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Speaker 4: we're on the topic of Adam and Eve. Where there

654
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Speaker 4: humans are? Yeah, I guess we described them as humans.

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Speaker 4: Who was outside of the garden?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so I don't think anybody was out?

657
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Speaker 2: Okay, So you think it was just the garden.

658
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Speaker 5: I do believe absolutely that all human beings on the

659
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Speaker 5: planet today descended from from Adam and Eve.

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Speaker 4: So nobody wis okay? Then what about Noah? After the flood?

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Speaker 4: Were there othershivilizations that did survive or do you think

662
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Speaker 4: everybody was gone?

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Speaker 5: Nobody survived the flow, and the scripture says everything that

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Speaker 5: had breath in his lungs, So I believe, could you share?

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Speaker 2: There's there's theological debates, of course.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. A lot of people try to make it a

667
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Speaker 5: local flood because they think that a global flood is

668
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Speaker 5: just unbelievable. There's some Eskimos and arm fuddy dudy Bible

669
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Speaker 5: thumping Conservative christ When the Bible says it, I believe it,

670
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Speaker 5: So I think it was a global flood. Eight persons

671
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Speaker 5: in all. Peter says this in the New Testament passed

672
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Speaker 5: through the waters of God's judgment, eight persons being Noah,

673
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Speaker 5: his wife, his three sons, and their three wives. And

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Speaker 5: from those three sons Jfth and Shim and Ham, we

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Speaker 5: got different peoples that ultimately filled the whole earth. And

676
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Speaker 5: now here's the thing though, for the fuddy dudy there

677
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Speaker 5: may not be a lot of them listening, but there

678
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Speaker 5: might be some. For the guy like me who's like

679
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Speaker 5: six day literal creation, you know, young Earth, all that

680
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Speaker 5: kind of stuff, and I believe those things. For that

681
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Speaker 5: guy is like, well, how did Noah get all the

682
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Speaker 5: animals on the arc? And we would say, like guys

683
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Speaker 5: like Ken Ham. You know, he's like a creation guy,

684
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Speaker 5: and I like him. I like him, and so he

685
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Speaker 5: would say, well, Noah didn't have to have every single

686
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Speaker 5: subspecies of dog, right like poodles and chuhuah wahs and

687
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Speaker 5: great Danes and wolves. He had two canines, male and female,

688
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Speaker 5: and from them came all these different kinds of dogs.

689
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Speaker 5: And so two felines. You know, you can get a lion,

690
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Speaker 5: you get a house cat. And that's that's kind of that.

691
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Speaker 5: That's the traditional belief that said, well, the same thing

692
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Speaker 5: kind of exists with people. This is not macro evolution

693
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Speaker 5: a fish becoming a man, but micro right adaption, right different.

694
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Speaker 2: Exactly, birds of the long beak have a bird of

695
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Speaker 2: the long beak.

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Speaker 5: So that said, I believe everyone descended from Adam and

697
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Speaker 5: Eve and then a second time because of the flood

698
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Speaker 5: and kind of this reset to humanity and creation. Everyone

699
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Speaker 5: descended from Noah and his wife and their three sons

700
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Speaker 5: and their three wives. That's true. But with micro evolution

701
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Speaker 5: and adaption, if that can happen with dogs and cats

702
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Speaker 5: and everything else, it can also happen with people, and

703
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Speaker 5: so we're all descended from the same parents. If you

704
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Speaker 5: go back far enough which means all people are made

705
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Speaker 5: in the image of God, and all people therefore have

706
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Speaker 5: an innate, equal dignity and value eternally speaking, in the

707
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Speaker 5: sight of God. And we should treat people with compassion.

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Speaker 5: Not all people are the same though, Yeah, not all

709
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Speaker 5: people are the same, and we should be aware of that,

710
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Speaker 5: and we should have compassion. But we also should be

711
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Speaker 5: able to say, yeah, the white South African farmers who

712
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Speaker 5: are fleeing persecution, they can come, and the Haitians can't. Well,

713
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Speaker 5: wait a second, that's not fair. It doesn't have to be,

714
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Speaker 5: doesn't have to be.

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Speaker 2: Life isn't fair. And why is that though?

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Speaker 4: Because you know, that's what I always hear these atheists

717
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Speaker 4: when I have to debate them. They say there's too

718
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Speaker 4: much suffering in the world for there to be a God.

719
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Speaker 2: Do you hear that a lot? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: And I feel like suffering can actually be good because

721
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Speaker 4: it sets you up for future obstacles by having some

722
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Speaker 4: experience getting through a tough time. It gives you confidence

723
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Speaker 4: in your next you know, trial and tribulation they might

724
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Speaker 4: go through. So what do you think about that argument, though,

725
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Speaker 4: that there can't be a God because there's too much

726
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Speaker 4: suffering and cancer exists, and you know, all this bad

727
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Speaker 4: stuff ex.

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Speaker 5: In I think third grade read it wants its argument back.

729
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Speaker 4: Yeah, but I hear that argument again college campus is like,

730
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Speaker 4: if you believe in God, wise there's so much suffering.

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Speaker 2: I hear that all the time.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: The reason why they're suffering is not because God himself

734
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Speaker 5: is conducting or the cause of the author of suffering.

735
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Speaker 5: But I do believe that God has sovereign over all things,

736
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Speaker 5: and so God is orchestrating and working. So Romans chapter

737
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Speaker 5: eight says, and we know that God works all things

738
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Speaker 5: for the good of those who love him and are

739
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Speaker 5: called according to his purpose. And all things really means

740
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Speaker 5: all things, including sin and suffering. So real, real, quick example.

741
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Speaker 5: Going back to the whole Noah thing and different peoples

742
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Speaker 5: adapting over time. Part of the reason that Europeans have

743
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Speaker 5: been as successful as they have, right, even if you

744
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 5: think all Europeans are oppressive, well they oppressed successfully, right,

745
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Speaker 5: So no matter how you slice it, whether it was

746
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 5: corrupt or whether it was you know, noble, Europeans have

747
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 5: been able to build things, innovate and these kinds of

748
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Speaker 5: things that not all the peoples of the earth so

749
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Speaker 5: far have been able to do. I think there's two

750
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Speaker 5: reasons for that. One, Europe has been steeped in Christendom

751
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Speaker 5: for about fifteen hundred years, all the way back to Constantine,

752
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Speaker 5: or at least a millennia if you go back to

753
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Speaker 5: King Alfred, so one the Christian Gospel, and that's first

754
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Speaker 5: and foremost. Second, though, there is a human natural argument

755
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Speaker 5: to be made that people who settled, like Europeans in

756
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 5: northern places that had a cold winter, they actually had

757
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Speaker 5: to have it. Couldn't just you know, high time low

758
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Speaker 5: time preference. They had to plan for the future. They

759
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Speaker 5: had to think in terms of seasons and future. A

760
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Speaker 5: tough time is going to be coming, so we need

761
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Speaker 5: to prepare ahead of time so that we can make

762
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Speaker 5: it through that. And the people who couldn't think that way,

763
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Speaker 5: guess what, they died off. Their genes were not passed

764
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Speaker 5: on to future generations. Whereas if you live where every

765
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 5: day is pretty much the same. It's hot today, it's hot, tomorrow,

766
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Speaker 5: it's hot, the next day it's then you don't develop

767
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Speaker 5: in a certain way. And so my point is back

768
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Speaker 5: to your question about suffering. Suffering strengthens a person. This

769
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 5: happens with families. It happens with individuals, it happens with

770
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Speaker 5: nations and people and tribes. And so could God, knowing

771
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Speaker 5: that suffering is evil, still allow for suffering within his

772
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 5: sovereignty in order to sharpen people, to develop people, and

773
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Speaker 5: especially for those who are Christians, sanctify people, to make

774
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Speaker 5: them more like His son who suffered immensely on our behalf.

775
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Speaker 5: I think so.

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Speaker 2: I think that's a good description.

777
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Speaker 4: Now this is another topic, because every time you start

778
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Speaker 4: saying something, I'm like, oh, because you know, I have

779
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 4: to debate these topics, and this one I don't know if.

780
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 2: I necessarily agree with.

781
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Speaker 4: But they say, Jeremiah ten, then not to cut a

782
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Speaker 4: tree down and put it in your living room. And

783
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Speaker 4: then you know, the fur tree is the tree they say,

784
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:41,840
Speaker 4: a fertility. It's the only tree they can grow in

785
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,760
Speaker 4: the winter. So I guess, is Christmas a pagan holiday?

786
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Speaker 4: Is it satanic to celebrate Christmas?

787
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Speaker 5: No? Okay, you can redeem traditions, you can remove traditions,

788
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,840
Speaker 5: or you know, you only have a few options. You

789
00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 5: can receive them, remove them, or redeem them. And I

790
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 5: would go with that redemptive option, that third option when

791
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 5: it comes to Christmas. It's true that certain holidays did

792
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 5: have pagan roots. But I think that's the beauty of

793
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,760
Speaker 5: Christianity is what Christianity has done time, and we've forgotten

794
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Speaker 5: this in the West. Were soft, we're weak, we're cowardly,

795
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:22,399
Speaker 5: we have toxic empathy, we're suicidal. But Christianity, once upon

796
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 5: a time was a conquering religion, not in the same

797
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 5: way that Islam is, not just by sheer force, but Christianity.

798
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Speaker 5: What it would do is it would go into a

799
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 5: pagan society and it would remove all those things that

800
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 5: were beyond the pale that could not be redeemed because

801
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 5: they were so counterintuitive to the things of God. But

802
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 5: whatever could be redeemed, they redeemed. And so when we

803
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:45,359
Speaker 5: celebrate Christmas, it's like, you have a tree, what kind

804
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 5: of a palm tree? No, it's an evergreen tree because

805
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 5: we serve the God of life. And we decorate it

806
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 5: with lights because why because Christ is the light of

807
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 5: the world and we have presence under the tree. Why

808
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 5: because God gave to us on Christmas in the incarnation,

809
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 5: the gift of his son. I think that Christmas is

810
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:07,319
Speaker 5: a wonderfully Christian holiday that regardless, I think it's a

811
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:09,359
Speaker 5: moot point if it had pagan roots, well it's now

812
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 5: been redeemed. What Christianity does is it goes in and

813
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,839
Speaker 5: says that's ours. Now we're taking that. What I love it?

814
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I think you gotta argue you look at

815
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 4: Greek civilizations and the civilizations before we, you know, became Christian.

816
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 2: That they didn't have the same moral compass.

817
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 4: That it was basically Christianity that gave us our guiding

818
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:28,360
Speaker 4: light to be more.

819
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 2: Altruistic and just.

820
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Speaker 4: I guess you know, I'm not a wordsmith when it

821
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 4: comes because I'm not a Christian biblical expert, but it

822
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 4: basically gave us our moral code of conduct.

823
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Speaker 5: It did. Yeah, you think of the Germanics, the Celts,

824
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 5: the Saxons, all these different groups. It is true that

825
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 5: pre Christian era, before the Gospel, before these groups were

826
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 5: proselytized and converted to Christ, they were different than many

827
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 5: other peoples in the world. For instance, monogamy, It wasn't

828
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 5: universal monogamy. They were always like lords and elite men

829
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 5: who would have more than one wife. But the common

830
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Speaker 5: man in European societies pre Christ, not Christ in his incarnation,

831
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 5: but before being Christianized throughout you know, the last two

832
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 5: thousand years of church history were mostly monogamous, and so

833
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Speaker 5: there were some aspects that have carried over and I

834
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:22,720
Speaker 5: think made those people's particularly fertile soil for the Christian

835
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Speaker 5: Gospel to bear as much fruit as it had. But

836
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Speaker 5: there were a lot of things that they were, you know,

837
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,839
Speaker 5: in some sense barbaric. It's like people will say, well,

838
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 5: look at the Greeks and the society they built even

839
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 5: without Christ or the Romans, and yeah, but they built

840
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 5: it on a pile of skulls. It was brutal, and

841
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:43,359
Speaker 5: so it's like, look how high the IQ. But they

842
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 5: killed a lot of people to get there. They purged

843
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 5: the weakest of their society. But Christianity came and we

844
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 5: continued not to digress but even compound on the innovation,

845
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 5: on the art, the philosophy, all these great triumphs with

846
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 5: compassion for the week, the greatest thing the world has

847
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:03,320
Speaker 5: ever seen. We should get that back.

848
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Speaker 4: right now. Now, Joel, we got to talk about this.

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Speaker 4: You are a Texas based guy. I'm in Texas. We're

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Speaker 4: currently in Dallas, and I have seen the state of

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Speaker 4: Texas transform into an almost unrecognizable place.

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Speaker 2: It really looks different, and I'm not.

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Speaker 5: Sure it is recognizable. I recognize it as India.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, Well, I was saying.

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Speaker 4: I went to the University of Texas and spoke last

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Speaker 4: semester there was two Asians and two Indians for every.

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Speaker 2: White kid that I saw there.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I'm telling you, the white kids are in

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Speaker 4: the minority. Every time I looked around, there's a clusher

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Speaker 4: of students, there's a clusher Indian kids, or cluster of

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Speaker 4: Asian kids. And then I just spoke at the University

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Speaker 4: of Illinois and I'm like, man, there's a lot of

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Speaker 4: Asian kids here.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of Asian kids here.

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Speaker 4: And I'm talking to the campus police and he goes, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 4: we have the highest concentration of Asian students outside of

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Speaker 4: USC in LA And I'm like, what there In the

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Speaker 4: University of Illinois, Shapaine Arbron is one of the biggest

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Speaker 4: schools in Illinois, and so it's just crazy to see

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Speaker 4: that if these college campuses the demographics are changing so drastically,

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Speaker 4: then it's obviously happening in the cities like Frisco in Dallas, which.

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Speaker 2: To me is I mean, I'm okay.

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Speaker 4: I guess personally, I like big booty latinas if you're nine,

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Speaker 4: you're fine. I say that all the time, because a

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Speaker 4: big booty Latina is going to go work a job

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Speaker 4: as a hotel maid or landscaper. Nobody's going to college

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Speaker 4: for that job. I'm almost more frustrated with the legal

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Speaker 4: immigration h one B fraud because they're getting Indians and

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Speaker 4: paying them pennies on the dollar to steal jobs that

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Speaker 4: college kids actually went to school for. So that's why

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Speaker 4: I don't like. I would argue that the legal immigration

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Speaker 4: is almost worse than just you know, the Mexican's coming

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Speaker 4: across the border, and Texas arguably was, you know, a

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Speaker 4: Mexican territory, so they really kind of have a more

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Speaker 4: right to this land than somebody from Mumbai, India. But

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Speaker 4: I want to play this clip that is going viral.

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Speaker 4: It's an old clip of Governor Abbott, but people are

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Speaker 4: seeing the demographics change so rapidly and now they're realizing

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Speaker 4: that this was not done by on accident. This is

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Speaker 4: done on purpose. And uh, here's Governor Abbott basically saying

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Speaker 4: Texas land is uh is for the Indian community.

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Speaker 8: As long as I'm governor, this way State Texas will

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Speaker 8: be a land for the Indian community.

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Speaker 7: And we will.

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Speaker 5: Continue to celebrate Gomali here.

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Speaker 2: In Well, before you say anything, joldo Hindu.

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Speaker 4: They like to worship the cow, they drink the cow pee,

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Speaker 4: they eat the cow poop. Is that one of the

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Speaker 4: most demonic religions? And how does Hindu rank on the

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Speaker 4: the you know levels of I guess craziness of religions.

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Speaker 4: Is Hindu crazier than scientology?

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Speaker 5: Uh, scientology is pretty crazy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: No, Hinduism is is insanely demonic because it's it's not monotheistic.

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Speaker 5: It's literally millions of gods and if you've ever watched

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Speaker 5: you know, I mean there's been videos that have gone

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Speaker 5: viral of Hindu temples where they're you know, pouring like

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Speaker 5: blood looking liquid on themselves or chopping off the head

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Speaker 5: of a goat and then drinking the blood. So it's

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Speaker 5: I mean, it's very pagan, very demonic, polytheistic. Hinduism is

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Speaker 5: it's satanic in a lot of ways, whereas Islam is

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Speaker 5: a false religion. I believe that if you're a Muslim

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Speaker 5: and you don't repent of your sins and believe in

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Speaker 5: the Lord Jesus Christ as the Son of God, then

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Speaker 5: you'll go to hell. Both religions will send you to hell.

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Speaker 5: But we have to think in categories as Christians and

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Speaker 5: as Westerners, so just saying hey, well both are wrong, right,

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Speaker 5: It's like the old trope, like all sin is equal.

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Speaker 5: If you teach your five year old kid that's stealing

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Speaker 5: a candy bar from a store and murdering his classmate

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Speaker 5: at school is equal. Then you're bad parents, right, So

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Speaker 5: all sin is equal in the sense that in the

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Speaker 5: eternal perspective, all sin if not repented of with faith

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Speaker 5: in the Lord Jesus Christ, it will send you to hell.

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Speaker 5: But not all sin is equal in it's to portal consequences,

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Speaker 5: and so too it is with false religions. Not all

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Speaker 5: false religions decimate societies at the same rate or in

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Speaker 5: the same way. Hinduism is terribly pagan. It is demonic

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Speaker 5: in many many.

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Speaker 4: Ways, and it's not it doesn't really share any of

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Speaker 4: our Western culture values, I mean out and prosper In Frisco,

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Speaker 4: they're asking the FFA Future Farmers of America. They're supposed

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Speaker 4: to going to these groups and high schools and asking

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Speaker 4: them for their cow pie and their cow urine because

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Speaker 4: they worship it. I mean, that's not even a conspiracy.

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Speaker 4: So I just think that that is a little egregious.

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Speaker 4: I like cows, but I'm not going to drink their urine.

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Speaker 4: I'm not gonna, you know, because they say it as

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Speaker 4: healing property.

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Speaker 2: So I just am frustrated.

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Speaker 4: Texas is what they call the Silicon Prairie. Austin has

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Speaker 4: a lot of tech companies. We have a lot of

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Speaker 4: tech companies, and because of that, they're using the H

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Speaker 4: one B visa you know, fraud or maybe it's not

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Speaker 4: even fraud, they do in a legal manner to basically

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Speaker 4: turn North Texas into uh little Mumbai, India.

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Speaker 5: Right, and you can see, like, you know, one of

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Speaker 5: the things that irks me the most is in the

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Speaker 5: case of you know, Governor Abbot and say he's such

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Speaker 5: a lazy bomb the guy like he literally will not

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Speaker 5: stick if you.

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Speaker 6: Can't walk, you know what I mean, He just refuses

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Speaker 6: to stand up.

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Speaker 4: We can't make fun of him because a tree fell

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Speaker 4: on him, which is not not good. I don't't think

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Speaker 4: anybody should have a tree fall on you. But he

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Speaker 4: was not like a veteran. He didn't get his legs

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Speaker 4: blown off in the war or something. I mean, he

979
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Speaker 4: had a tree fall on him, and now he became

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Speaker 4: the most powerful guy.

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Speaker 5: And I think if you're a trader, if you're a

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Speaker 5: governor and you're a trader to your state and you're

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Speaker 5: literally replacing your native population, then we can make fun

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Speaker 5: of you.

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Speaker 2: I agree.

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Speaker 4: And if you're you care more about your special interest

987
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Speaker 4: groups that donate money to your campaign instead of your

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Speaker 4: actual constituents, then yeah, you're fair game for all kinds

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Speaker 4: of bashing and trolling. I encourage people to troll Governor Abbit. Well, guys,

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Speaker 4: we said at the start of this episode, this is

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Speaker 4: a two part series. So after the break or excuse me,

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Speaker 4: after this episode tomorrow, you're gonna be able to watch

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Speaker 4: the second part of this episode wedive even deeper into

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Speaker 4: the scripture and two topics that you're not going to

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Speaker 4: get on your everyday podcast. We're gonna dive really deep now,

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Speaker 4: Joel before we go, what is the best way for

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Speaker 4: people to find you and support you?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, thanks for having me on the show, Alex. It

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Speaker 5: means a lot. I really appreciate it. Not everybody's willing

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Speaker 5: to have me.

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Speaker 2: I like a controversial I'm controversial. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 5: So on x at Joel Webbin is my handle at

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Speaker 5: Joel webbing r.

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Speaker 2: X has been blowing up. Yes, you're doing really well.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, thanks man, cause you got spicy taste.

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Speaker 2: That's what we need.

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, and I don't think that you're just

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Speaker 4: being spicy for spicy sake. But I think that you

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Speaker 4: actually have, you know, a belief system that with a

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Speaker 4: lot of evidence, and it totally goes against you know,

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Speaker 4: this woke.

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Speaker 2: World that we live in where we're politically correct.

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Speaker 4: Some of your viewpoints are politically incorrect, and I think

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Speaker 4: that is what it takes to be successful.

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Speaker 2: You have to be a little polarizing.

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Speaker 5: Yes you do. Yeah, I'm a moderate centrist from like

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Speaker 5: the fifteen fifties. Yeah, but that is far right extremist

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Speaker 5: by today's standard. So at Joel Webbin, it's not just

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Speaker 5: my random tweets at three am in the morning, but

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Speaker 5: We're there too.

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