1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,840 Speaker 1: Dear Governor is a production of I Heart Media and 2 00:00:02,920 --> 00:00:10,119 Speaker 1: three Months Media. Dear Governor Newsom, Dear Mr Governor Newsom, 3 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 1: this is an open letter to Governor Gavin Newsom. Dear 4 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 1: Governor Newsom. Okay, So today is Jarvis Master's final state 5 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 1: appeal and I just pulled into one of many Joe's 6 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 1: auto parking lots in downtown Los Angeles. It is a 7 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:49,520 Speaker 1: beautiful Sunday morning. Jervis's attorneys will go before the California 8 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 1: Supreme Court in the Ronald Reagan State Building, which is 9 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 1: about a half a mile from where O J was 10 00:00:56,800 --> 00:01:04,320 Speaker 1: tried back in Jarvis can't be here, not allowed to 11 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 1: leave San Quentin's death throw. Most of his friends are 12 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 1: in the Bay Area. So I'm here to show my support, 13 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 1: along with Connie fam who is a longtime advocate and 14 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:18,040 Speaker 1: confidant of Jarvis's. We're meeting my mom and my brother 15 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 1: in the court house. Father Gregory Boyle of Homeboy Industries 16 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:23,679 Speaker 1: said that he's going to be sending a bunch of 17 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 1: his homies to attend today to show solidarity with Jarvis. 18 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 1: For some background, Jarvis filed a petition for his writ 19 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:35,319 Speaker 1: of habeas corpus back in two thousand five. It's taken 20 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:39,759 Speaker 1: the court fourteen years to hear as constitutionally guaranteed arguments. 21 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:43,959 Speaker 1: For perspective, Jarvis was sentenced to death five years before 22 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 1: o J was ever even tried. Back in Corrections, Officer 23 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 1: Sergeant Dean Birchfield was murdered at San Quentin. Three of 24 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: the inmates were convicted of conspiracy to commit murder. The 25 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 1: guy who actually did the stabbing was sentenced to life 26 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 1: without parole, the guy who was accused of masterminding the 27 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 1: murder was also given life without parole, and Jarvis, who 28 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 1: was accused of making the SHIV, was sentenced to death. 29 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 1: Now we'll get into the details of his case and 30 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:26,800 Speaker 1: talk to investigators and attorneys who who know it well 31 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:29,800 Speaker 1: at a later date, but suffice to say there's a 32 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 1: lot of alarming incongruities the suppression of information, witness recantations, 33 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 1: destruction of evidence. Also, keep in mind, Jarvis never murdered anyone, 34 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 1: that's a verifiable fact, and on top of that, he's 35 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 1: always denied that he had anything to do with the 36 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 1: making of the weapon, full and probably obvious disclosure. Those 37 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 1: of us producing this podcast believed Jarvis to be factually innocent. 38 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 1: We know what we've read, and we've heard from league 39 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 1: of scholars who are familiar with the case. Over the years, 40 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 1: we've gotten to know Jarvis. We've witnessed his good works, 41 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 1: and we appreciate that he's a man of integrity and honesty. 42 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 1: We do not expect you to believe him. We don't 43 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 1: even ask you to believe him. We simply invite you 44 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 1: to get to know this fascinating man, and to hear 45 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:26,079 Speaker 1: about the unusual circumstances of his case, and judge for 46 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 1: yourself whether the death penalty is appropriate. As Governor Newsom 47 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 1: told us, there are innocent men on death row, and 48 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 1: there are hundreds of folks on death row now today 49 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 1: whose crimes and convictions are anything but cut and dry. 50 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 1: As the only Western country that still executes its citizens, 51 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 1: perhaps you'll consider a worthwhile exercise to question what is 52 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 1: in order to answer what can be, or maybe even 53 00:03:56,800 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 1: what should be. Perhaps the answers you draw will help 54 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 1: inform your vote in the elections. Is the death penalty 55 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 1: a necessary evil to keep our streets safe and too 56 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 1: exact righteous punishment, and to deliver a semblance of justice 57 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 1: to victims? There is it too fraught with ambiguity and 58 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:20,679 Speaker 1: contradictions and biases to ensure that we're all protected equally 59 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:25,799 Speaker 1: under the law. Okay, I've made it over to three 60 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 1: D South Spring Street, which is the home of the courthouse. 61 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:34,279 Speaker 1: They don't allow recording apparatus in the courtroom, so I 62 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 1: will be reporting back later. Jervis Master's case involves a 63 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:48,159 Speaker 1: prosecution that was rotten to the core. Joe Baxter, the 64 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:52,040 Speaker 1: appellate attorney who has represented Jarvis for over twenty five years, 65 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 1: from a KPF a FM interview four years ago, did 66 00:04:56,839 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 1: two main witnesses against them are chronic lawers. Both of 67 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 1: those witnesses ever cantered their testimony. The state failed to 68 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 1: disclose that one of its main witnesses against Jarvis Masters 69 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 1: was the key suspect in a murder investigation at the 70 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 1: time he was on the witness stand and guess what 71 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 1: the investigation was shut down the minute he agreed to testify. Last, 72 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:25,839 Speaker 1: and certainly not least, the Marine County d A threatened 73 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:29,160 Speaker 1: the life of the other witness who had SINTR candidate 74 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 1: if he refused to testify against Jarvis Masters. So this 75 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 1: is a case, as I said, that just rotten to 76 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 1: the rotten to the core. And it's a total miscarriage 77 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:45,040 Speaker 1: of justice. And I can fully understand why Jarvis's frustrated 78 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 1: by the delay in his case, waiting for the courts 79 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 1: further to come in. I have been waiting twenty six 80 00:05:54,760 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 1: years for it almost. I think it's a long good 81 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 1: anybody on death row by far Jarvis masters. And it 82 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:09,279 Speaker 1: wasn't cold shelf. It wasn't on the shelf colde. It 83 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 1: was on the docket. It was in their face for many, many, 84 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 1: many years, and they didn't do anything until now. I 85 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 1: don't know why they weighed it so long, because think 86 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:26,040 Speaker 1: about it, course they could have found I mean, if 87 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 1: they really believed I shocked that if they could have 88 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 1: just said, you know what, didn't I go to another 89 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:34,720 Speaker 1: courting room, go to you to federal courting room and 90 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 1: do your appeal. They didn't do that. They didn't do it. 91 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 1: If me and the guy did. Two of the guys 92 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:42,719 Speaker 1: were charged with the same thing, and I found guilty 93 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 1: of the same thing, and their appeals were hurt within 94 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:48,160 Speaker 1: three or four years. Why it wasn't my hurt, but 95 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 1: in the same amount of time. M M. It doesn't 96 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:57,839 Speaker 1: make sense in a civil case if you go to 97 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:02,279 Speaker 1: trial and the jury flying for the plaintiff. Let's say 98 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 1: we know that you have appeals. You can go through 99 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 1: the state system of appeals and and then when that's over, 100 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 1: that's the end of the case. But we have a trial, 101 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 1: we have an appeal, that's the end of it. If 102 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 1: your lawyer committed malpractice, go sue your lawyer, but the 103 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 1: case is final. Larry Marshall is a professor of law 104 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 1: Stanford University and maintains an active pro bono practice through 105 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 1: which he represents individuals and criminal appeals and post conviction 106 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 1: proceedings in the criminal justice system. We recognize that we 107 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 1: do need more than just the idea of an appeal 108 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 1: that when new evidence emerges or new arguments can be 109 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 1: made that could not have been made undirect appeal, then 110 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 1: we're going to create a mechanism through which the system 111 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 1: will look at those to see if there are constitutional violations. So, 112 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 1: for example, assume that you have a situation where your 113 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 1: lawyer was dismal, Your lawyer never investigated the case, never 114 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 1: talked to some key witnesses, You get convicted, you go 115 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 1: up on appeal. You can't raise that issue because by definition, 116 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 1: the case as it stands, looking at what happened at 117 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 1: the trial court doesn't say anything about those witnesses, and 118 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 1: the direct appeal only deals with what happened at the 119 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 1: trial itself. The appellate court of the Supreme Court is 120 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:37,439 Speaker 1: looking to say, did the trial court make any mistakes? Well, 121 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:40,319 Speaker 1: the trial court didn't make any mistakes. In my example, 122 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:43,679 Speaker 1: it was the lawyer who was dismal. So now what 123 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:46,079 Speaker 1: do we do. We say, if you want to raise 124 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 1: that issue on habeas, we will let you go out 125 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:53,199 Speaker 1: and investigate. We will let you get a statement from 126 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 1: those statements from those witnesses saying, boy, nobody ever contacted me. 127 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 1: If they had, I would have testified that this defendant 128 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:05,680 Speaker 1: was not the person who you know who committed the murder. 129 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 1: I would have testified that readily. And then you'll get 130 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:12,440 Speaker 1: to bring in evidence about that your lawyer never did 131 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 1: interview those people, and so on. So that's an example 132 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:21,080 Speaker 1: of what can happen at habeas. You also have situations 133 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 1: where you find out that the prosecutor did not turn 134 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 1: over exculpatory evidence as the law requires the prosecutor to do, 135 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 1: and that comes to light afterwards after trial. There again 136 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 1: we let you advance that. And these are just two 137 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 1: of many, many examples. And another one is the ability 138 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 1: to come in and show that there's newly discovered evidence 139 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:51,840 Speaker 1: that demonstrates your factual innocence. Jarvis's attorneys they filed the 140 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:55,320 Speaker 1: petition previous corpus back in two thousand five. Why would 141 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:59,680 Speaker 1: it take so? What is that almost fifteen sixteen years 142 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 1: to have the oral arguments? Is that unprecedented? Is that typical? 143 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:08,080 Speaker 1: I can't tell you whether it's unprecedented or not, but 144 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:13,840 Speaker 1: I'll tell you it's shocking. Um, it's shocking that how 145 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 1: long this is taken. And I can't begin to understand 146 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:24,079 Speaker 1: how it's possible that the process has taken this this long. Um. 147 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:26,320 Speaker 1: So I wish I had an answer on that. It's 148 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:30,080 Speaker 1: just there are delays. Uh. You know a lot of 149 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 1: the delays in the in the death penalty in California 150 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 1: are due to a shortage of lawyers willing to take 151 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 1: these cases. Uh, and that, but I don't believe that 152 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:42,559 Speaker 1: was what caused the delay in Jarvis's case. He had 153 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 1: lawyers throughout Um, and Um, the delay is just it's 154 00:10:49,280 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 1: unfathomable to me. Yeah, calling the matter now of Enried 155 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:08,440 Speaker 1: arcs j Masters on Abeas Corplasce. The judicial branch of 156 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 1: the California Courts does not permit broadcast of their proceedings, 157 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 1: so we've produced a dramatization directly from the court transcripts. 158 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 1: At the oral arguments today, Alice Luster, the Deputy Attorney 159 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 1: General at the Office of the California Attorney General, argued 160 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 1: on behalf of the state, may it please the court 161 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 1: new credible evidence is what is required on habeas to 162 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:35,200 Speaker 1: overturn what is under this law a presumptively valid judgment, 163 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 1: and what we have in this case. The referee found 164 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 1: time after time after time that the evidence presented by 165 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:49,079 Speaker 1: petitioner at the Jarvis Master's habeas hearing was simply not credible. 166 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 1: Joe Baxter, Jervis's ap Pellet attorney, followed by his second chair, 167 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 1: Chris Andrian, argued to the contrary, had the jury known 168 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 1: what we now know, the jury would have had far 169 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 1: more than a reasonable doubt about Jarvis Master's guilt. Second, 170 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 1: what we now know and what the referee found and 171 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 1: what the Attorney General accepted, is that the state's case 172 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 1: is founded on the testimony of two inveterate liars Bobby Evans, 173 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:22,440 Speaker 1: whom the state's b GF expert described as a spectacular liar, 174 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:26,319 Speaker 1: and Rufus Willis, who the referee described as an inveterate 175 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 1: liar with selective memory who would do anything to save 176 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 1: his skin. What we also now know, based on the 177 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:37,319 Speaker 1: findings is that the remaining piece of evidence against Masters, 178 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:40,840 Speaker 1: what the d A called the choke chain around his neck, 179 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:48,439 Speaker 1: two kites written by him were probably not authored by him, 180 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 1: your honor, Associate Justices. I didn't play a major role 181 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 1: in a in a lot of the briefing, but you 182 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 1: probably remember I was the lead counsel at the habeas hearing, 183 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 1: and as it came time for closing argument, I sat 184 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 1: down with the guys and and we started talking, and 185 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:10,199 Speaker 1: I said, you know, I think the role I need 186 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 1: to play, the role, the role I'd like to play 187 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 1: for you today is to put you into shoes of 188 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 1: a trial lawyer like myself, somebody who's been trying cases 189 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:24,319 Speaker 1: for over forty six years now. I'm an experienced trial lawyer, 190 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 1: and I've had a chance to take all of this 191 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:30,960 Speaker 1: in and take another look at and say to you, 192 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 1: if we look the state of the record as it is, 193 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 1: right now with the presentation of false evidence, new evidence 194 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 1: lead to the likelihood of a different outcome at the trial. 195 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:47,839 Speaker 1: And I'm going to say the answer is unequivvabally yes. 196 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 1: And let me tell you why. I think the way 197 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:55,320 Speaker 1: you have to look at this is take all these 198 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:59,119 Speaker 1: different things that Mr Baxter was talking about and say, 199 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 1: we have a new state age the stage. The stage 200 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:05,960 Speaker 1: has been reset. When you look at Bobby Evans and 201 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 1: you look at Rufus Willis as well as you have 202 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 1: if we take the referees findings here, you've got these 203 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 1: two inveterate liars and Mr Backs are referred to them. 204 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 1: You've got these two guys and you can't believe a 205 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 1: word they say. But some guy sitting on death row 206 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 1: now because at some point, well that's what they said 207 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 1: that day, and because they said something that day, we're 208 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 1: going to accept that. And that's fundamentally wrong. I don't 209 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 1: think you can say, oh, we're going to accept what 210 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 1: they said at the trial when all this other stuff 211 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 1: has come out, and that shows that maybe those statements 212 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 1: that the murder trial weren't presently aren't enough to convict 213 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 1: Mr Masters at trial. It's my understanding that the defense 214 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 1: went pretty hard to impeach both Willis and Evans. Is 215 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 1: that not correct? I'm just saying that to you as 216 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 1: some one who lived through this case. I see it 217 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 1: now as being a whole different case. And as you 218 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 1: put this case in my lap today, and as I 219 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 1: look at it and say, he's got a good chance 220 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 1: to win this case, and she should get that chance. 221 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you, Mr Andrean He corny He Connie, 222 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 1: how do you feel? I feel very disheartened. It's one day. 223 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 1: Connie Famine I sat next to each other in the 224 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 1: back of the dimly lit baroque courtroom. She's known Jarvis 225 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 1: for over twenty years. We did a little post game 226 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 1: on the phone after we return from the hearing. What 227 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 1: is your what is your take of the day? You know, 228 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 1: it's just it's hard to say. It's hard to say 229 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 1: because you know, I'm just I just feel really kind 230 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 1: of depleted. I mean, it's a little bit disappointing, but 231 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 1: now I just want to hope for the best. You know, Yeah, No, 232 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 1: I feel the same, Lay. I think it was completely disheartening. 233 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 1: I was. I was so disappointed that that his case 234 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 1: was heard at the end of a long day I mean, 235 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 1: how many court cases did we sit through before the 236 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 1: the court heard his case. It was like four year four. Yeah, 237 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 1: they're like four cases. Probably we're doing like property management 238 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 1: and like you know, labor law, wage stepped and I mean, 239 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 1: here we are talking about like a man's life, you 240 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 1: know that, you know, I mean, it's it's the difference 241 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 1: between life and best for somebody, and they just you know, 242 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 1: these cases went on and on and on. You know, 243 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 1: in civil law, there's civil law cases is there give 244 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 1: each other were money and here we are, like at 245 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 1: the end of the day, everyone's exhausted. It's like five 246 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 1: talk and that's when it was hurt. I mean really, 247 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 1: I know, and I felt like they almost felt bored 248 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 1: or like they weren't paying attention, like they engaged in 249 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:12,400 Speaker 1: the civil law cases, but that none of the justices, 250 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:15,440 Speaker 1: none of the seven justices, really seemed to be particularly 251 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:20,439 Speaker 1: invested or maybe that was just my perception. No, I 252 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 1: think you're totally right. I think it was the end 253 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:26,479 Speaker 1: of a long day and everyone which was really really tired. 254 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:30,440 Speaker 1: And I mean, but that's scary to think that somebody's 255 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 1: life is on the line under those conditions, you know, 256 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:36,440 Speaker 1: I know, Yeah, I'm so glad we were we were 257 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:39,640 Speaker 1: able to come out and you know, and I'm glad 258 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 1: that the law students were there in the gallery to 259 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:46,720 Speaker 1: watch at least, you know, some part of the proceedings today. Um, 260 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:49,160 Speaker 1: you know, it's always an education. I mean, I've got 261 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 1: on several juries previously, but this is I have never 262 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 1: I have never sat on a jury. So that was 263 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:59,399 Speaker 1: that was actually my first time ever stepping foot into it, 264 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:05,440 Speaker 1: into a courtroom. It's pretty intimidating. Now, Yeah, yeah, I 265 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:09,880 Speaker 1: was very formal. I was pleasantly surprised by the diversity 266 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:12,320 Speaker 1: of the judges though. I mean there were seven of 267 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 1: them and it was did you see that three of 268 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:17,879 Speaker 1: those were women and there were several different ethnicities, So 269 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:21,720 Speaker 1: that that was that was a positive. Yeah, I mean, 270 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:23,399 Speaker 1: and like I said, I mean, this case is so 271 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 1: complicated honestly, Um, you know, we we all believe in 272 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 1: Darvice's innocence, but in terms of like what the law limits, 273 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 1: in terms of the arguments that were presented today, UM, 274 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:40,879 Speaker 1: I think just puts all of it in a difficult situation, 275 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:45,440 Speaker 1: and including I think maybe the judges because they can 276 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:52,119 Speaker 1: only comment on certain parameters of the case. Um, you know, 277 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:56,879 Speaker 1: and and it's yeah, it's it's very technical, and uh, 278 00:18:57,040 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 1: it's it's it's a hard thing to resolve. Um. I 279 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 1: mean if this if this thing goes to the federal level, 280 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 1: you know, um, you know, well that's the next step, 281 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 1: isn't it that. I mean, if the if the if 282 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 1: the opinion comes back and it's not in favor of Jarvish, 283 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 1: then I mean he's exhausted all of his state appeal, 284 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:20,920 Speaker 1: so he will be headed to the to the federal level, right, 285 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:24,920 Speaker 1: and a whole new team team of attorneys, and it's 286 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 1: going to be a whole new move ballet, right, Yeah, exactly, 287 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:33,159 Speaker 1: And hopefully at that level there will be new sets 288 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:37,720 Speaker 1: of eyes that can you know, look at this case again, 289 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:40,440 Speaker 1: you know, and and it's hard. I mean, this case 290 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 1: is is over what almost thirty five years old? Um, 291 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:49,480 Speaker 1: so yeah, but you know it's not impossible. So keep 292 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:52,880 Speaker 1: the faith. I mean, we've heard of some really egregious 293 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 1: cases where uh, people have been released and people have 294 00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:02,280 Speaker 1: been exonerated after thirty five forty years. This is a 295 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:06,119 Speaker 1: really great political moment to really shine a spotlight on 296 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:16,720 Speaker 1: what's going on in our justice system. Dear Governor newsom 297 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 1: My name is Connie fam and I am a public 298 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 1: school teacher in southern California. Twenty years ago, when I 299 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 1: myself was in high school, I read Jarvis J. Master's 300 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 1: book Finding Freedom, Writings from Death Row. It had a 301 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 1: profound impact on me as a young person, a Buddhist 302 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:39,440 Speaker 1: and an Asian American. It was awe inspiring to see 303 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 1: an example of how someone who shared my own spiritual 304 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:46,359 Speaker 1: convictions could live their ideals and craft an amazing life 305 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:51,679 Speaker 1: of service even under the most tragic of circumstances. Well 306 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 1: lear me to say this. I'm a lot older than County, 307 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:57,639 Speaker 1: but I still think Connie is my big shield. It 308 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 1: kind of stick over me. The power of Ris's books 309 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:05,399 Speaker 1: lie in the fact that they serve both as mirrors 310 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 1: into our own lives and as windows into the lives 311 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:13,119 Speaker 1: of others. I meant her when she was in high school. 312 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 1: I think Finding Freedom. It just came out and I 313 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:19,119 Speaker 1: had been outful a while, and she wrote me a 314 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:23,879 Speaker 1: letter and shared a lot of commitments that I thought 315 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:26,880 Speaker 1: was inspiring. She wanted to be a teacher, she lived 316 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:31,400 Speaker 1: in a Buddhist community. I heard the Buddhist in her. 317 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 1: It was not just words than I heard but a 318 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 1: commitment to the practice. His writings have helped open a 319 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:43,199 Speaker 1: whole new world to people, young and old. Governor, I 320 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 1: write to you knowing I represent hundreds of school teachers, 321 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:50,960 Speaker 1: social workers, counselors, and professors from across the country. We 322 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:56,720 Speaker 1: have read, been inspired and transformed by Jarvis's essays, stories 323 00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:59,480 Speaker 1: and articles, and have gone on to share them with 324 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 1: our students. This is not someone who's going to, you know, 325 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:07,160 Speaker 1: find another path in her life. This is someone who's 326 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:10,159 Speaker 1: going to keep a path she's on, and however it 327 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:13,160 Speaker 1: brings something new to her, she's gonna be that way. 328 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:16,639 Speaker 1: Through his personal correspondence to our classrooms and offices, he 329 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:20,199 Speaker 1: has become a friend, a mentor, and her brother to 330 00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:24,239 Speaker 1: so many people, and through his guidance and compassion, he 331 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 1: has helped to inform our life's work and dedication to others. 332 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 1: So we started writing each other and we wrote. We wrote. 333 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 1: Most times it was not about Buddhism, but a lot 334 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 1: of times it was about how she deal with certain 335 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 1: things and how I explained to her what I deal 336 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 1: with every day. And she thought that was very, very 337 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 1: powerful because she lives in a community that was more, 338 00:22:53,840 --> 00:23:00,439 Speaker 1: more comfortable, more structured, and when I was in and 339 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 1: I was on death row, these people visit me. Blah 340 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:07,920 Speaker 1: blah blah. It's an ongoing travesty that Jarvis spends any 341 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 1: more time in prison for a crime that he did 342 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 1: not commit. I believe in Jarvis's innocence not because I 343 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 1: was physically present at San Quatin in when Sergeant Halbert 344 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 1: Field tragically lost his life. I believe in him because 345 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 1: of what my lived experience tells me that anyone who 346 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:32,320 Speaker 1: can muster the courage and clarity of mind to precisely 347 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:35,720 Speaker 1: articulate suffering and redemption in the way that Jarvis does, 348 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 1: cannot also falsify their innocence. But she stated in the background, 349 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:47,120 Speaker 1: you know and really really became my big sister over 350 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:50,680 Speaker 1: the years, and actually have a feel good calling that 351 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 1: you know, Governor and issuing your moratorium. You have gone 352 00:23:55,840 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 1: on record stating there are innocent people on death row. Well, 353 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 1: Jarvis is one of them, and I urge your office 354 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 1: to closely examine his case as soon as possible. On 355 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 1: behalf of my friend Jarvis and in faith and solidarity, 356 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 1: Connie fam Jarvis has been very transparent about the fact 357 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 1: that he is a much different man now than when 358 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 1: he first walked through the gates of San Quentin in 359 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 1: nineteen one. He was on a fast track to prison 360 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:29,200 Speaker 1: from the moment he left the womb. By his late teens, 361 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 1: he was bitter and angry, had a chip on his shoulder, 362 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:35,440 Speaker 1: and he made many ill conceived choices that eventually landed 363 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:39,960 Speaker 1: him in prison. Next week, as we anxiously await the 364 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:43,359 Speaker 1: opinion from today's habeas hearing, we'll learn about those crimes 365 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 1: as Jarvis reflects on that dark time in his life, 366 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 1: whether he has any regrets, and how he was able 367 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:53,879 Speaker 1: to make such a dramatic transformation. Today's episode was written 368 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 1: and produced by Donna Fazzari and myself Corny Cole. Our 369 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 1: theme song sentenced his compliments of the band stick Figure 370 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 1: from their album Set in Stone. Stu Sternbach has composed 371 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 1: of the original music and provided voice work for this episode. 372 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 1: Special thanks also to Sue Cardon and Tim Carton for 373 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:16,640 Speaker 1: their voice work. Nate Defort did the sound design. Visit 374 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 1: free Jarvis dot org to find out more about Jarvis's 375 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:21,760 Speaker 1: case and to sign your name to our dear Governor 376 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,919 Speaker 1: newsom petition and if you have questions for Jarvis, please 377 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 1: leave a message on our hotline at two zero one 378 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 1: nine zero three thirty five seventy five. 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