WEBVTT - If It's Free, It's For Me (Featuring Marcy Guevara-Prete) 0:00:00.600 --> 0:00:04.120 The Black Fat Fem Podcast is a production of iHeartRadio 0:00:04.320 --> 0:00:08.440 and Doctor John Paul LLC. Hey everyone, welcome to another 0:00:08.480 --> 0:00:11.440 episode of the Blackfiftem Podcast where all the intersections of 0:00:11.480 --> 0:00:14.360 identity are celebrated. I am one of your hosts, Johnson 0:00:14.400 --> 0:00:17.919 on as Doctor John Paul, and I am still on 0:00:18.440 --> 0:00:23.080 the search for the perfect honeybun. Yes, so I don't 0:00:23.120 --> 0:00:27.120 know what it is, but you know one was sweat. 0:00:27.120 --> 0:00:29.600 I am prego with how bad I want one. I 0:00:29.640 --> 0:00:32.040 have just been wanting a honey bun just so deep 0:00:32.080 --> 0:00:33.839 in my soul and I got a really good one 0:00:33.840 --> 0:00:35.400 when I was in Vegas and I have yet to 0:00:35.440 --> 0:00:38.559 get another one. So listeners, I would love to know 0:00:38.800 --> 0:00:41.479 what is your favorite honey bun. And I'm not talking 0:00:41.520 --> 0:00:45.080 about no oh it's a cinnamon No, that's not what 0:00:45.120 --> 0:00:47.879 I asked for. I didn't ask for cinnamon roll. I 0:00:47.920 --> 0:00:50.239 didn't ask for nothing bread and I ask for a 0:00:50.560 --> 0:00:56.800 honey bun. Yes, honey, I wanted to sweat out the package. 0:00:57.000 --> 0:00:58.680 That is what I want when you know you open 0:00:58.680 --> 0:01:01.480 a honey bun and a little sweat because of the shit, right, 0:01:01.560 --> 0:01:05.559 that's the glucoas the diabetes. That's what I need So anybody, 0:01:05.640 --> 0:01:09.640 if you know of a place that doctor John Bock 0:01:09.640 --> 0:01:11.880 can get a good honey bun in the LA area, 0:01:12.000 --> 0:01:15.160 please please send us a good message. But anyway other 0:01:15.240 --> 0:01:18.280 than that, how are you, Queen Joel? How you doing? 0:01:18.360 --> 0:01:18.800 My girl? 0:01:19.120 --> 0:01:22.959 That was just a sweet introduction that was not me 0:01:23.080 --> 0:01:26.559 hungry for some honey bothers myself. Fam, it's your girl, 0:01:26.680 --> 0:01:29.840 Joho Jordan, if you financing me and we can talk 0:01:29.880 --> 0:01:33.240 about it. I'm here to tell you that the state 0:01:33.360 --> 0:01:36.680 of our union, if you can call it, that is 0:01:36.720 --> 0:01:40.839 in shambles. If you didn't watch that Manager's Congress last week, 0:01:40.880 --> 0:01:41.720 you were better for it. 0:01:41.760 --> 0:01:42.440 People are honest. 0:01:43.080 --> 0:01:46.520 I watch because I want to feel informed of what 0:01:46.720 --> 0:01:48.360 is being said and how. 0:01:48.440 --> 0:01:52.400 And it was, girl, it was not good. There was 0:01:52.400 --> 0:01:53.200 a moment where I was. 0:01:53.160 --> 0:01:55.480 Like, we're absolutely not We are living back in the 0:01:55.560 --> 0:01:57.040 nineteen sixties just with Wi Fi. 0:01:57.200 --> 0:01:59.200 Like we're just with Wi Fi. That's all I'm getting 0:01:59.240 --> 0:02:01.960 from this And I I hate it. I hate it. 0:02:02.000 --> 0:02:06.960 But truly that isn't here nor there. What is here today? 0:02:07.160 --> 0:02:09.120 Thank God for this is. 0:02:09.080 --> 0:02:12.760 Our incredible special guest, someone whom I've known for almost 0:02:12.800 --> 0:02:16.000 a decade. Have you watched their business grow in incredible 0:02:16.000 --> 0:02:20.079 ways serving the fat communities with the best, best fashions 0:02:20.480 --> 0:02:23.280 and host the experiences that connect us with community. What's 0:02:23.320 --> 0:02:27.760 one of our favorite current and former former unfortunately fat icon. 0:02:27.880 --> 0:02:28.920 It's a small plug. 0:02:29.520 --> 0:02:32.760 They'll be hosting John's first stop on the book tour 0:02:33.360 --> 0:02:37.120 March twenty fifth. Please you're welcoming our dear friend and 0:02:37.240 --> 0:02:39.760 owner of Los Angeles' plus bus. 0:02:39.560 --> 0:02:43.120 Boutique, Marci Givar preach. How are you, my dear friend? 0:02:43.639 --> 0:02:46.720 Hello? Hello, Okay, y'all, I'm already having the best time. 0:02:47.320 --> 0:02:49.960 It is a key around here. It really is so 0:02:50.000 --> 0:02:50.679 happy you're here. 0:02:50.800 --> 0:02:53.240 I want a honeybun. I want to move to Canada. 0:02:53.400 --> 0:02:56.520 It's all the things, all of the things, you know. 0:02:56.880 --> 0:03:00.720 James Baldwin once said that two troops can't exist at 0:03:00.720 --> 0:03:03.720 the same time, and those are both two truths. You know. 0:03:04.600 --> 0:03:06.880 We've been trying to plan a stop in Canada, and 0:03:06.919 --> 0:03:08.840 I've been thinking to myself, I wonder how much my 0:03:08.919 --> 0:03:11.639 life would be different if I just settled there. 0:03:13.440 --> 0:03:14.680 I'm not coming back. 0:03:15.600 --> 0:03:18.760 I'm going there. That'll be the last book tour stop 0:03:18.880 --> 0:03:19.919 that I'm stopping there for. 0:03:20.440 --> 0:03:23.000 Like where John go then come back? 0:03:23.520 --> 0:03:23.920 Gone? 0:03:24.000 --> 0:03:24.640 Are they okay? 0:03:25.280 --> 0:03:28.960 Yeah? 0:03:29.400 --> 0:03:32.520 Yes, because Jean, you do love to bait, don't you, 0:03:32.560 --> 0:03:34.880 So you could you know, mother can't get in there, 0:03:35.080 --> 0:03:36.680 and she can't cook your owney. 0:03:37.040 --> 0:03:38.160 Just give my se worlties. 0:03:40.320 --> 0:03:42.360 I'm gonna open up a honey bun stop. That's a 0:03:42.400 --> 0:03:44.720 really good idea anytime. 0:03:44.240 --> 0:03:46.960 I like go to Italy and travel. You know, you're 0:03:47.000 --> 0:03:50.920 just like, I can open a coffee shop and and 0:03:51.040 --> 0:03:53.360 live here and just do this, and I don't know, 0:03:53.400 --> 0:03:56.760 it's just so funny. So we're all feeling it. We're 0:03:56.760 --> 0:03:59.520 all feeling it, and I just want to acknowledge how 0:03:59.600 --> 0:04:02.400 hurtful the things that are being said, and how much 0:04:02.520 --> 0:04:05.200 danger are you know, the community is in, especially the 0:04:05.240 --> 0:04:08.120 trans community, and so yeah, it's a really it's a 0:04:08.120 --> 0:04:10.640 really rough time to be an American. I'm a you know, 0:04:10.680 --> 0:04:15.280 granddaughter of immigrants, daughter of an immigrant, and it hurts, 0:04:15.400 --> 0:04:17.640 you know, my grandparents is still love this country so 0:04:17.760 --> 0:04:20.680 much and had so much patriotism, and it's just really 0:04:20.680 --> 0:04:22.680 it's really we're in a hard time. We can only 0:04:22.720 --> 0:04:26.719 hope that this next three years just really flies by. 0:04:26.839 --> 0:04:29.600 But yeah, it's a really really difficult time for a 0:04:29.680 --> 0:04:31.479 country girl. 0:04:31.600 --> 0:04:37.920 Yes, my god, I really wish I could just wake 0:04:38.000 --> 0:04:40.720 up and it be twenty twenty. Let's just give all 0:04:40.760 --> 0:04:44.200 three years. But anyway, with that being said, we are 0:04:44.279 --> 0:04:46.280 excited to have you here, Marci and I know we're 0:04:46.320 --> 0:04:48.000 going to have a really good time together. And so 0:04:49.080 --> 0:04:51.120 as we as we do around here, we love to 0:04:51.160 --> 0:04:54.280 celebrate all things fat fashion. So to kick off our 0:04:54.279 --> 0:04:57.440 show this week, Mike, we always do honoring our dear 0:04:57.560 --> 0:04:59.680 t Sha Campbell, who we are still in the works 0:04:59.680 --> 0:05:02.400 of try secure as a guest on the show. I 0:05:02.520 --> 0:05:04.839 have had It is so funny. I've had people jump 0:05:04.920 --> 0:05:07.040 in my dms and be like, Okay, so have we 0:05:07.200 --> 0:05:09.040 gotten t Sha locked in yet? And I'm like, no, 0:05:09.240 --> 0:05:11.800 we have not, but we're hoping and we're praying, and 0:05:11.880 --> 0:05:16.080 we're still here's what happens, you know what. From your 0:05:16.200 --> 0:05:20.280 lips to Beyonce's ears, I am definitely yes. We are 0:05:20.360 --> 0:05:22.560 throwing it up to the god above. So that to 0:05:22.680 --> 0:05:24.560 be said, I wanted to kick off this show by 0:05:24.680 --> 0:05:28.560 asking what are some of your favorite fat fashion moments 0:05:28.600 --> 0:05:30.960 that have happened in the last couple of months. I 0:05:31.080 --> 0:05:33.200 will start, Marcia, throw it to you, and then Joho 0:05:33.320 --> 0:05:35.600 will go ahead and go to you. I will say 0:05:36.160 --> 0:05:39.400 very openly and Honestly, it has been such a key 0:05:39.600 --> 0:05:43.560 to see Danielle Pinnock, who also I also want to say, like, 0:05:43.680 --> 0:05:45.159 I know, I have her phone number and I could 0:05:45.200 --> 0:05:47.080 text her anytime and be like, girl, come on the show. 0:05:47.440 --> 0:05:51.240 But she's she is booked and busy girl. But just 0:05:51.360 --> 0:05:55.160 seeing her like literally come up in like just her 0:05:55.320 --> 0:05:58.080 style game and the way that she just she moves 0:05:58.279 --> 0:06:01.800 about the industry, right, It's it's been really cool to 0:06:01.960 --> 0:06:04.520 watch her not and and we'll talk more about this later, 0:06:04.839 --> 0:06:06.880 but it has been really cool to not see her 0:06:07.560 --> 0:06:10.640 succumb to the pressure that the industry puts on fat 0:06:10.720 --> 0:06:14.440 bodies and her celebrate her body and not only just 0:06:14.520 --> 0:06:17.280 her clothes, but her comedy and the way that people 0:06:17.400 --> 0:06:21.280 around hers support themselves, like support her and all the 0:06:21.760 --> 0:06:23.640 things that she's been doing. It's been just it's been 0:06:23.839 --> 0:06:26.400 really beautiful to watch. And so I definitely want to 0:06:26.440 --> 0:06:30.120 shout out my girl. You know, she's she's a parasocial 0:06:30.160 --> 0:06:32.560 friend of mine, but I definitely go up for her. 0:06:32.960 --> 0:06:35.320 And then the same thing Nina Parker. So I will 0:06:35.360 --> 0:06:39.200 say this, Nina Parker her clothes at Macy's. If you 0:06:39.320 --> 0:06:42.880 are a big girl, please jump into the Nina Parker line. 0:06:43.279 --> 0:06:44.840 Obviously go to the plus bus right. 0:06:44.720 --> 0:06:46.840 If you have the time, and we always have Nina 0:06:46.920 --> 0:06:48.080 Parker right. 0:06:48.240 --> 0:06:50.119 But yeah, I'm like, if you are a girl who's 0:06:50.160 --> 0:06:52.919 like I need something that doesn't it's not floral because 0:06:53.120 --> 0:06:56.800 because I will say, there's this habit of like fat 0:06:56.880 --> 0:07:00.400 people close they tend to put flowers on everything, and 0:07:00.440 --> 0:07:02.600 it's like, bitch, I didn't ask for this big ass 0:07:03.120 --> 0:07:06.120 bloom flower in the back of my sho Nobody wants that. 0:07:06.440 --> 0:07:09.160 So it's nice that you know Nina she like she 0:07:09.279 --> 0:07:12.080 tends to flip her styles a lot, Like I have 0:07:12.240 --> 0:07:14.400 something from her last collection, and I have a few 0:07:14.440 --> 0:07:17.200 things from this this latest collection, and it's just I'll 0:07:17.240 --> 0:07:18.640 wear it out and people be like, oh my god, 0:07:18.680 --> 0:07:20.680 where did you get that from? Like girl's Nina Parker. Like, 0:07:21.120 --> 0:07:23.880 it's been really cool to own stuff from her line, 0:07:23.920 --> 0:07:25.880 And so I will say this and then I'll pass 0:07:25.880 --> 0:07:27.880 it to you. Marcy. I have had to have. The 0:07:28.120 --> 0:07:30.160 thing about her fashion is I do have to have 0:07:30.280 --> 0:07:32.920 it tailored. And I think it's because it's just something 0:07:32.920 --> 0:07:35.720 about my body, not because I can slide into eloquot 0:07:36.600 --> 0:07:37.040 your body. 0:07:37.360 --> 0:07:39.679 It's just that doesn't fit you perfectly. 0:07:40.240 --> 0:07:44.000 Okay, so ELOQUI fits me perfect perfect. I can out 0:07:44.080 --> 0:07:46.840 the out the bag, I can wear eloquy. But Nina's 0:07:46.960 --> 0:07:48.720 for some reason her clothes, well, I'll have to have 0:07:48.800 --> 0:07:51.080 it tailored just just a bit. But other than that, 0:07:51.280 --> 0:07:54.120 it's still like fabulous. It gives, it gives what it 0:07:54.200 --> 0:07:57.000 needs to give every single time. And so I really 0:07:57.040 --> 0:07:59.920 appreciate that. She really makes the cheap feel expensive and 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:01.240 I'd love that for me. 0:08:01.720 --> 0:08:03.400 And it's not that cheap job. 0:08:03.480 --> 0:08:04.600 I was like, che. 0:08:07.160 --> 0:08:11.080 I was gonna say, it's not that cheap okay money bags. 0:08:13.760 --> 0:08:15.920 Like I said, she makes the cheap. I am a 0:08:16.040 --> 0:08:16.480 cheap girl. 0:08:17.120 --> 0:08:20.080 It's not like, it's not it's not. 0:08:21.880 --> 0:08:22.640 You know what I mean. 0:08:22.720 --> 0:08:25.240 Well, I used to be a Macy's girl. Like I 0:08:25.520 --> 0:08:29.280 was Macy's through and through. I really shop exclusively now 0:08:29.600 --> 0:08:32.400 at the Plus Bus because I own it, and I 0:08:32.559 --> 0:08:35.319 just didn't grow up shopping second hand, and so in 0:08:35.440 --> 0:08:37.679 the first few years it was really hard for me 0:08:37.800 --> 0:08:40.480 to like embrace the second hand of it all. I 0:08:40.559 --> 0:08:43.360 think I grew up thinking like thrift stores or resale 0:08:43.360 --> 0:08:46.080 stores were smelly or it was weirder, the clothes had 0:08:46.120 --> 0:08:48.079 bad Jude jew and I think there still are some 0:08:48.240 --> 0:08:52.880 people that feel that way. No shade, but you know, 0:08:53.040 --> 0:08:55.480 Nina has been around forever in the plus size world. 0:08:55.559 --> 0:08:58.160 She's definitely been on my radar. When she was in TMZ, 0:08:59.360 --> 0:09:02.120 I did a cover of Scorched magazine back in the day. 0:09:02.120 --> 0:09:03.840 It was a plus sized magazine and we had her 0:09:03.880 --> 0:09:06.760 as our cover girl. So I love Nina and I 0:09:06.960 --> 0:09:09.560 feel like she is like holding it down for Macy's 0:09:09.960 --> 0:09:12.760 because other than like your typical you know, like all 0:09:12.880 --> 0:09:16.840 Fawnny or Michael Kore's or I don't know of any 0:09:16.920 --> 0:09:19.360 new brands that have really flourished the way she has. 0:09:19.520 --> 0:09:21.719 And so I am really happy for her on the 0:09:21.760 --> 0:09:24.719 success of the line. And you know, we used to 0:09:24.760 --> 0:09:27.240 have Melissa McCarthy from Macy's and that went away, and 0:09:27.440 --> 0:09:29.679 so many of these great brands, I mean, Macy's kind 0:09:29.720 --> 0:09:31.920 of was always carrying the Ralph Lauren, like all of 0:09:32.000 --> 0:09:35.640 these contemporary brands lucky and a lot of them have 0:09:35.760 --> 0:09:39.000 really gone away. Or it's just the choices are so 0:09:39.440 --> 0:09:46.839 slim and it's sad. So I know, punintended, but I 0:09:46.960 --> 0:09:49.800 love Nina's things. I agree, you know, Tayloring is just 0:09:49.880 --> 0:09:52.960 a part of life that we need to be embracing more, 0:09:53.160 --> 0:09:55.959 especially as plus sized people. When you see someone that 0:09:56.000 --> 0:09:59.560 looks really fabulous, they likely had something tailored. It's very 0:09:59.679 --> 0:10:02.319 rare or even the thinnest person to just like walk 0:10:02.360 --> 0:10:04.599 into a store and everything fits them perfectly, right, Like, 0:10:04.720 --> 0:10:07.720 our proportions are all different. So one of the things 0:10:07.720 --> 0:10:09.400 that the Plus List we do is really try to 0:10:09.480 --> 0:10:12.920 normalize tailoring. Because I will have the world's shortest girl 0:10:13.040 --> 0:10:15.800 looks so amazing in address and be like, well it's 0:10:15.840 --> 0:10:22.000 too long, and it's like, uh no, bring the ham up. Yeah, 0:10:22.000 --> 0:10:25.320 you need to embrace hams from now moving forward. Because 0:10:25.920 --> 0:10:27.800 you're five to two, you know you're gonna need to 0:10:27.880 --> 0:10:30.280 have every time in a plus sized garment. So I 0:10:30.480 --> 0:10:32.719 love that you're tailoring things. And I always like to 0:10:32.760 --> 0:10:34.719 make it about the garment not the body. Right, So 0:10:35.160 --> 0:10:37.360 Nina Parker's line fits you a little big, and you're 0:10:37.440 --> 0:10:39.520 used to maybe fitting in a certain size and Eloquy 0:10:39.600 --> 0:10:42.280 and that works for you, but sometimes for me, I 0:10:42.320 --> 0:10:44.920 feel like Eloquy runs a really small. So you know, 0:10:45.000 --> 0:10:48.360 it's just all the lines they're so different. I just 0:10:48.640 --> 0:10:51.560 two things I need to ask. You're honoring Tisha Campbell 0:10:51.640 --> 0:10:52.480 on every episode? 0:10:53.240 --> 0:10:55.280 Yeah, Okay, because I just want to. 0:10:55.360 --> 0:10:58.800 Make sure I love Martin is my childhood. 0:10:58.840 --> 0:11:01.719 Okay, Like she has a song called Steal here, and 0:11:01.880 --> 0:11:05.080 so that is the title of our second with. 0:11:05.200 --> 0:11:06.959 A cultural moment because she's. 0:11:10.200 --> 0:11:15.319 I'm here for it. It was only one question, actually, 0:11:15.440 --> 0:11:17.199 I just was like, did I hear that? Correctly? 0:11:17.800 --> 0:11:19.920 Everyone? Every and how she comes here? 0:11:20.679 --> 0:11:21.320 She's coming? 0:11:22.160 --> 0:11:23.120 Yeah, like what else? 0:11:23.360 --> 0:11:28.679 Not to be rude, but like, yeah, she's coming. Okay. So, 0:11:28.920 --> 0:11:32.000 Danielle Pinnock, I mean, you're cast on a show as 0:11:32.040 --> 0:11:34.800 a fat ghost. So the one thing that we can 0:11:35.559 --> 0:11:38.199 count on, at least while she's on this show, is 0:11:38.240 --> 0:11:41.840 that she's gonna stay fat, right like that? Thank you God, 0:11:42.040 --> 0:11:45.240 because it is rough to lose these icons, you know, 0:11:45.440 --> 0:11:47.199 as you were, you know, mentioning in your opening like 0:11:47.640 --> 0:11:52.280 these former fat icons. I love how much Danielle is 0:11:52.400 --> 0:11:56.160 investing in her looks and whether it's tailoring or hiring 0:11:56.640 --> 0:12:00.440 the celebrity stylist that she has Serena Akers, who dresses 0:12:00.480 --> 0:12:04.920 Beyonce and I'm sure it has Beyonce rates, maybe not 0:12:05.000 --> 0:12:07.160 for Danielle. Hopefully she's giving her you know, no, she's 0:12:07.200 --> 0:12:14.400 not Beyonce rate. Okay, but that is something that has 0:12:14.600 --> 0:12:18.600 been rare to see over the years in my experience 0:12:18.800 --> 0:12:23.559 both dressing or consulting plus size clients. So celebrities, you 0:12:23.840 --> 0:12:26.400 really have to invest in your look. And I'm so 0:12:26.640 --> 0:12:29.520 tired of hearing these designers didn't want to dress me, 0:12:29.679 --> 0:12:32.280 that designer didn't want to address me. What I feel 0:12:32.280 --> 0:12:34.720 like people don't talk about is that it is also 0:12:34.760 --> 0:12:38.120 an investment on your part. So what you're watching Danielle 0:12:38.200 --> 0:12:43.240 do is invest in her red carpet persona and invest 0:12:43.400 --> 0:12:47.400 in those looks, and that's giving Serena the opportunity to 0:12:47.559 --> 0:12:49.880 find her those pieces, or find her those designers that 0:12:49.960 --> 0:12:53.240 are willing to work with two, three, five, ten grand, 0:12:53.320 --> 0:12:56.800 whatever their budget might be, versus people that are trying 0:12:56.840 --> 0:12:58.959 to just like dress it off the runway or however 0:12:59.040 --> 0:13:01.720 Christian Siriano does it. You know, I don't know how 0:13:01.840 --> 0:13:04.920 he's sort of charging people. It depends, right, But there 0:13:05.080 --> 0:13:09.000 is labor, there is product being produced, and then you 0:13:09.080 --> 0:13:11.320 know there is an output. But just because someone's wearing 0:13:11.360 --> 0:13:13.719 Christian Ciriano on the red carpet doesn't mean you and 0:13:13.800 --> 0:13:16.360 I can go buy that dress online, right, So it's 0:13:16.400 --> 0:13:19.040 a marketplace, and I think Danielle is an amazing example 0:13:19.080 --> 0:13:20.880 of someone who's really investing in herself. 0:13:21.880 --> 0:13:26.920 You literally to class. I'm going to school to bitches today. 0:13:28.200 --> 0:13:31.120 She is the perfect example of someone that wants to 0:13:31.200 --> 0:13:33.319 be an A list celebrity, wants to look like one 0:13:33.480 --> 0:13:35.200 is winning awards, and she looks. 0:13:35.160 --> 0:13:39.840 Like how she should. She looks amazing, amazing, and I think. 0:13:39.760 --> 0:13:41.959 Every penny is showing up on the on screen on 0:13:42.040 --> 0:13:44.400 the camera. I'm so happy for all of her success. 0:13:44.679 --> 0:13:46.520 I mean, she held it down during the pandemic for 0:13:46.640 --> 0:13:48.760 us with all of her skits, and just to see 0:13:48.800 --> 0:13:52.640 her career flourish to this degree is like, it's so exciting, 0:13:52.679 --> 0:13:55.160 it's so inspiring, and you know, I have one more 0:13:55.200 --> 0:13:58.520 person in mind, but like it's a rough time for 0:13:58.679 --> 0:14:01.400 our fat icons, you know, or lack thereof, and you know, 0:14:01.520 --> 0:14:03.480 I mean even Lizzo at her thinnest, I feel like 0:14:03.520 --> 0:14:06.079 it's probably when she was like twenty, was like a 0:14:06.160 --> 0:14:08.839 size twelve fourteen. So I don't know how far she 0:14:08.920 --> 0:14:11.839 can go. I don't know the lengths of like the 0:14:12.000 --> 0:14:15.079 depths of ozempic, like how good it really is. But 0:14:15.920 --> 0:14:18.360 you know, I think Divine Joy Randolph is really serving. 0:14:18.480 --> 0:14:21.120 I think she looked amazing at the Oscars say that 0:14:21.440 --> 0:14:23.680 again she I mean, I think it was Siriano, but 0:14:23.920 --> 0:14:27.920 really she's gorgeous. She's looking elegant old Hollywood, and she's 0:14:27.960 --> 0:14:30.760 really giving us that star power we need and deserve 0:14:30.880 --> 0:14:34.120 to see on the red carpet because it's rough, divine 0:14:34.200 --> 0:14:34.880 joy random. 0:14:34.960 --> 0:14:39.320 Oh yes, okay. Last year she was also mine. Oh yes, okay, 0:14:39.320 --> 0:14:40.760 I was make sure that right, Davine. 0:14:40.960 --> 0:14:44.120 I was hard. I was like, who's devine? Diva? Divine? 0:14:44.120 --> 0:14:46.000 Okay, I live. 0:14:46.080 --> 0:14:50.800 Yeah, she is a stunning I think I definitely she's 0:14:50.800 --> 0:14:53.800 exactly who I was seeking as well too, for for 0:14:54.000 --> 0:14:57.280 mine was as like a fashion icon because I think 0:14:57.320 --> 0:15:01.200 she also point is investing herself and her recordd looks. 0:15:01.240 --> 0:15:02.800 And I also love that she's giving old hub a 0:15:02.840 --> 0:15:04.080 glamour because that just. 0:15:04.160 --> 0:15:06.560 Isn't like there isn't apparently there isn't so obvious one 0:15:06.560 --> 0:15:09.280 for plus spokespos for black folks, and like, I love 0:15:09.320 --> 0:15:11.080 that she's doing that as a black pots woman. 0:15:11.160 --> 0:15:14.080 So I love, love love that. I also really love 0:15:15.320 --> 0:15:19.400 I really love Samara just she's me. 0:15:19.480 --> 0:15:23.280 She's iconic in general being like the way she has 0:15:23.640 --> 0:15:27.160 calling out so many plus sized brands, you know, the 0:15:27.200 --> 0:15:30.280 way she is had her fight with Fever twenty one, Like, 0:15:30.360 --> 0:15:33.320 I really find it very very and you know, in 0:15:33.360 --> 0:15:36.680 some cases, like you know, you know, Marcy, you're in 0:15:36.720 --> 0:15:38.120 the business, so I'm sure you may have you may 0:15:38.160 --> 0:15:41.600 have a different like a different like perspective of seeing it, 0:15:41.680 --> 0:15:44.320 but a certain who just who really just consumes right now, 0:15:44.760 --> 0:15:48.280 I really appreciate seeing her, and you know, I I 0:15:48.720 --> 0:15:51.200 and I love I love that. I love that her 0:15:51.440 --> 0:15:55.000 her table line has been like it like like if 0:15:55.080 --> 0:15:56.800 it fits you, it's for you regardless, and I think 0:15:56.840 --> 0:15:59.000 that's really great as well too. I also think a 0:15:59.040 --> 0:16:02.320 lot about I'm excited for Survival of the Thickest to 0:16:02.400 --> 0:16:04.920 be back at the end of this month because I 0:16:05.000 --> 0:16:09.960 think it's one of the only shows really that emphasizes 0:16:10.920 --> 0:16:14.320 the importance of like of pluss folks, like having access 0:16:14.360 --> 0:16:14.760 to fashion. 0:16:15.840 --> 0:16:16.000 You know. 0:16:16.200 --> 0:16:21.120 I it's not it's not always like all plus us people, 0:16:21.320 --> 0:16:23.080 you know. I think there's a twent demographic that that 0:16:23.280 --> 0:16:26.320 it serving for that purpose. But I still love love it. 0:16:26.960 --> 0:16:29.680 I love Liza Traeger the Best Friend. I think she's 0:16:29.880 --> 0:16:32.600 so funny. I've known Michelle Buchou for a million years. 0:16:33.480 --> 0:16:35.800 I love that that show exists. I love that it's 0:16:35.880 --> 0:16:39.200 like something out there in the marketplace for us. I 0:16:40.920 --> 0:16:43.960 I don't know if it's like a bit that Michelle's 0:16:44.000 --> 0:16:47.360 wardrobe isn't great, Like is it that she's a stylist 0:16:47.440 --> 0:16:49.320 like those who teach can't you know what I mean? 0:16:49.480 --> 0:16:53.320 Or is it like the Costumer and Netflix aren't. I 0:16:53.440 --> 0:16:56.160 don't know, but I'm a little confused about it. Michelle, girl, 0:16:56.240 --> 0:17:00.720 let's catch up. But that like at the end of 0:17:00.800 --> 0:17:03.400 the season one, she's like wearing a sulkie and it 0:17:03.560 --> 0:17:04.880 was like, oh, okay, so she does. 0:17:04.920 --> 0:17:05.320 I don't know. 0:17:05.600 --> 0:17:07.600 So I'm a little confused with the wardrobe on the show, 0:17:07.680 --> 0:17:10.320 but I do love it. I think Liza's a standout 0:17:10.359 --> 0:17:12.600 and she actually has a bit that went viral about 0:17:12.640 --> 0:17:14.720 like her favorite store being called the plus Bus, and 0:17:15.200 --> 0:17:17.440 you know, people are so funny. I love Samaira. I 0:17:17.480 --> 0:17:20.120 love what Samirah's doing. She knows how to get views, 0:17:20.160 --> 0:17:21.920 she knows how to get likes. I would love for 0:17:21.960 --> 0:17:25.439 her to focus at times on the brands that are 0:17:25.560 --> 0:17:29.040 doing it and on the stores that do exist, because 0:17:29.520 --> 0:17:32.879 we need the love too, and those brands out there 0:17:32.960 --> 0:17:35.359 that are struggling, that are making plus sizes, that are 0:17:35.480 --> 0:17:38.280 dedicated to plus size, like they can use some of 0:17:38.359 --> 0:17:42.479 that spotlight shined on them. But obviously, yes, I mean 0:17:42.600 --> 0:17:44.760 I have many a time been to the Century City 0:17:44.840 --> 0:17:47.120 mall and it's like, I can't pay them to take 0:17:47.160 --> 0:17:49.280 my money, so I guess I'll just buy a forty 0:17:49.359 --> 0:17:51.400 dollars soap and call it a day. You know, It's 0:17:51.520 --> 0:17:54.920 like I no, but you know, obviously all of these 0:17:55.000 --> 0:17:57.440 girls they are I'm so proud of them. I'm so 0:17:57.600 --> 0:18:00.720 proud to know that, like John, like you should absolutely 0:18:00.800 --> 0:18:02.480 text Danielle and ask her to be on the pod. 0:18:02.600 --> 0:18:05.680 It's the fact that we we're such a small community, 0:18:05.880 --> 0:18:08.840 We're such a small group, and I think that there 0:18:09.000 --> 0:18:10.720 is room for all of us, and there's room for 0:18:10.760 --> 0:18:12.880 all of us to celebrate one another and lift each 0:18:12.920 --> 0:18:15.399 other up. And we're not perfect. That's the reality, right, 0:18:15.480 --> 0:18:17.080 We're not all going to do things that we all 0:18:17.080 --> 0:18:17.440 agree with. 0:18:17.600 --> 0:18:18.639 But I love that. 0:18:18.720 --> 0:18:22.280 Yeah, Samira texts me, can you, I you know, videotape 0:18:22.400 --> 0:18:26.240 my whatever YouTube thing at your store, and I'm like, yes, 0:18:26.359 --> 0:18:28.520 I'm there, boom, the door is open whatever you need. 0:18:28.720 --> 0:18:31.400 So to me, that is how we should be operating 0:18:31.520 --> 0:18:34.960 in our very tiny world and absolutely celebrating the people 0:18:35.000 --> 0:18:37.800 that we do see out there, getting the recognition, getting 0:18:37.840 --> 0:18:39.960 on the talk shows, getting to sing the national anthem 0:18:40.040 --> 0:18:43.600 at you know, NFL games, Like it's incredible. And I 0:18:43.800 --> 0:18:46.440 hope that as these people grow, like you mentioned Danielle 0:18:46.560 --> 0:18:50.680 or Sami or whoever, these ozempics and these brands, they're 0:18:50.720 --> 0:18:53.280 coming out these girls with money, lots of money. Yeah, 0:18:53.560 --> 0:18:57.040 so saying no to that is also probably really hard. 0:18:57.200 --> 0:18:59.879 You know, no one's called me yet. No, I'm just kidding. 0:19:00.119 --> 0:19:01.919 No, I don't want to. 0:19:03.520 --> 0:19:04.840 Never can I can? 0:19:04.920 --> 0:19:06.440 I say, let me go on record and say I've 0:19:06.440 --> 0:19:13.040 actually had three partnership requests or for for the some 0:19:13.160 --> 0:19:15.879 atlitude whether it's called and each and I find that 0:19:16.480 --> 0:19:18.400 so that's so interesting because each one, each one responded 0:19:18.440 --> 0:19:21.320 to like because they're offering like like a year free 0:19:22.000 --> 0:19:24.360 of it to come and do their stuff blah blah blah. 0:19:24.400 --> 0:19:26.320 And like each each one of them, I was like, 0:19:27.000 --> 0:19:28.840 nowhere my profile, have I ever talked about. 0:19:28.640 --> 0:19:29.360 Wanting to lose weight? 0:19:29.720 --> 0:19:34.359 No, about how how how I how I embrace intentional 0:19:34.400 --> 0:19:37.080 weight loss. I'm all for body and tralogy, bodutralogy. People 0:19:37.119 --> 0:19:39.840 want people to their bodies and their decisions, not mine. 0:19:39.880 --> 0:19:41.600 But like nothing I've ever done has ever said that, 0:19:41.880 --> 0:19:44.399 and the fact that you would ask me to do 0:19:44.520 --> 0:19:47.520 a year worth of free step hoarding, this holding this 0:19:47.600 --> 0:19:49.840 when people who actually use it for life really need 0:19:50.080 --> 0:19:52.560 medication if they you know, if they have diabetes or 0:19:52.600 --> 0:19:56.520 other things like that, you're they're charging them thousands four. 0:19:57.800 --> 0:19:59.240 If you give this to me, I will get it. 0:19:59.359 --> 0:20:01.200 I will get away for free to people who need it. 0:20:01.320 --> 0:20:02.639 Like do not do not. 0:20:06.359 --> 0:20:11.680 Great ways look your rabbit hood. Yeah. 0:20:11.760 --> 0:20:14.400 Two of them said to reply when what When? 0:20:14.680 --> 0:20:17.040 When person was like, if you want, if you want 0:20:17.040 --> 0:20:19.879 to engage in a legal discussion, please let no. 0:20:19.920 --> 0:20:21.639 I want to, I was. I was letting you know 0:20:21.720 --> 0:20:23.520 that I don't want to do. I'm just letting you know. 0:20:24.680 --> 0:20:27.199 So people people lord but but but I think your 0:20:27.240 --> 0:20:29.040 point right, like you know, Marci, just to your point 0:20:29.080 --> 0:20:31.720 of like people, you know, people do get asked. 0:20:31.760 --> 0:20:34.520 It is and it's sad because like in the day, you. 0:20:34.600 --> 0:20:35.119 Know, I. 0:20:36.920 --> 0:20:38.280 It's not for me and it won't it won't. It 0:20:38.280 --> 0:20:40.439 won't be for me and like if my body changes, 0:20:40.960 --> 0:20:42.560 like it will be my own decision. I won't I 0:20:42.600 --> 0:20:45.399 won't be asking for like like like like those medical 0:20:45.480 --> 0:20:48.040 things because those things are people. I think people actually 0:20:48.080 --> 0:20:50.280 need those for like for life of being care and 0:20:50.359 --> 0:20:51.600 I would never want to be the person just sit 0:20:51.720 --> 0:20:52.840 up standing in front of that, and I think it's 0:20:52.840 --> 0:20:53.760 disgusting in that place. 0:20:53.840 --> 0:20:56.199 Is we'll offer people things for free when people are 0:20:56.200 --> 0:20:57.879 being charged thousand dollars to access it. 0:20:58.040 --> 0:21:01.600 Down like just dollars. Horrible. Yes, so I will say 0:21:01.640 --> 0:21:02.879 this and then we have to go to break. But 0:21:02.960 --> 0:21:05.600 I will say real quick, it is not lost on 0:21:05.720 --> 0:21:08.160 me that the news just broke this week that Forever 0:21:08.280 --> 0:21:11.320 twenty one is having to close so many of their stores. 0:21:12.000 --> 0:21:14.760 So I'm not laughing because I recognize that by closing 0:21:14.800 --> 0:21:16.440 their stores, it means that people are going to lose 0:21:16.480 --> 0:21:21.200 their job. However, what I am saying is Samirah's impact. 0:21:21.960 --> 0:21:31.440 She was yesterday, she said, you said bye bye man 0:21:31.760 --> 0:21:35.960 closed autumn store. So shout out to you, Samirah. You did, 0:21:36.040 --> 0:21:37.440 you did your big one. 0:21:37.560 --> 0:21:40.240 It's obviously it's obviously a lot of things, but I 0:21:40.480 --> 0:21:41.880 literally did. 0:21:42.920 --> 0:21:46.320 She has stopped say I mean, yeah. 0:21:47.400 --> 0:21:47.840 Uh a. 0:21:48.480 --> 0:21:51.080 Taking down the La story is a wild. 0:21:51.400 --> 0:21:53.960 My god, my god mother did her big one. But 0:21:54.080 --> 0:21:56.879 with that being said, y'all hear that that is the 0:21:57.040 --> 0:21:59.600 sound of Uncle Scam telling us that we have to 0:21:59.640 --> 0:22:02.080 take a break so we can pay these bills. But 0:22:02.160 --> 0:22:04.320 when we get back, we will have more with your 0:22:04.440 --> 0:22:06.800 famous and favorite bitches. More in a thing. 0:22:17.000 --> 0:22:19.560 We are a back family, and I'm excited us to 0:22:19.640 --> 0:22:21.560 dive into today's conversation. I think it's gonna be really 0:22:21.600 --> 0:22:25.359 amazing because we're sitting with one of the most I believe, 0:22:25.480 --> 0:22:31.879 personally iconic institutions for fat fashion in Los Angeles. The 0:22:31.960 --> 0:22:34.560 plus bus will forever hold a space a special place 0:22:34.640 --> 0:22:36.719 in my heart. It was the first place I ever 0:22:36.800 --> 0:22:40.240 went to that centered fat fashion. It was the first 0:22:40.240 --> 0:22:42.719 show that I went to where I could find anything 0:22:42.760 --> 0:22:45.080 I wanted to find that actually could shop in full. 0:22:45.880 --> 0:22:47.480 I can go to the store and find everything for 0:22:47.680 --> 0:22:52.000 just myself and not be subjected to accessories or shoes 0:22:52.000 --> 0:22:54.680 a guy would shop with my friends. So please, first, 0:22:54.720 --> 0:22:57.159 let me say Marci, let me say thank you, Let 0:22:57.200 --> 0:22:58.920 me give you your flowers. Let me give you you 0:22:59.080 --> 0:23:01.560 and gen your flowers. Because being Jim also, you know, 0:23:02.000 --> 0:23:03.840 was a big part of that as well too, for 0:23:04.000 --> 0:23:06.480 creating space for our bodies and the garments that we 0:23:06.600 --> 0:23:09.159 adorn them with from. 0:23:09.080 --> 0:23:11.080 Make to make that and to make us visible, it 0:23:11.160 --> 0:23:12.800 really means so much. 0:23:12.840 --> 0:23:15.880 I'm so thankful My first question for you today though, 0:23:16.280 --> 0:23:18.600 is tell us about the history of the plus Bus. 0:23:18.960 --> 0:23:20.680 We're prompted the name. What do you feel like the 0:23:21.320 --> 0:23:26.080 Juditary has been like for you? Oh, the lore, the Lord, 0:23:26.400 --> 0:23:26.920 the Lord. 0:23:27.320 --> 0:23:31.200 As the kids. So ten years Yeah, we're ten years 0:23:31.280 --> 0:23:35.000 in and I started the plus Bus ten years ago 0:23:35.080 --> 0:23:37.960 with my former business partner, Jen Wilder, who really is 0:23:38.040 --> 0:23:41.080 the muse behind the project. Never in a million years 0:23:41.119 --> 0:23:43.640 have I ever wanted to own a boutique or ever 0:23:43.760 --> 0:23:47.119 thought I would. I'm not sure I still do. No, 0:23:47.240 --> 0:23:50.520 I'm just kidding. I have kind of accidentally fallen into 0:23:50.600 --> 0:23:54.439 this business. After meeting Jen, we hosted a free swap 0:23:54.800 --> 0:23:57.320 which shout out to the San Diego fats because I 0:23:57.480 --> 0:24:01.679 went to my first ever ir relevant like offline at 0:24:01.760 --> 0:24:04.720 this like San Diego house and it was like all 0:24:04.800 --> 0:24:07.919 of these like really cool fat activists and they were 0:24:07.920 --> 0:24:11.200 getting their masters and fat liberation and it was like 0:24:11.280 --> 0:24:15.720 Ashley Nell Tipton and Quina Butta and Brie I mean, 0:24:15.960 --> 0:24:20.880 Kayla marguite, these girls, these people. People still know these 0:24:20.960 --> 0:24:24.040 people and like they're famous to me in the fat 0:24:24.080 --> 0:24:27.480 activism world. I walk in and they were just like 0:24:27.520 --> 0:24:29.960 anything you want as yours. I couldn't believe it. I 0:24:30.080 --> 0:24:32.359 was having the time of my life and that really 0:24:32.520 --> 0:24:34.960 was the idea. That experience was where the idea for 0:24:35.000 --> 0:24:38.959 the plus bus came from. So, you know, we started 0:24:39.040 --> 0:24:41.919 as the first swap in La. We did a swap. 0:24:42.040 --> 0:24:44.480 We had an amazing turnout. At the end, we had 0:24:44.560 --> 0:24:46.600 so much clothes left over that we were calling our 0:24:46.880 --> 0:24:50.080 boyfriends and dads and husbands and please come with trucks 0:24:50.160 --> 0:24:52.560 to get all this clothes. Because if you've ever been 0:24:52.600 --> 0:24:55.359 to a swap or hosted one, it's not like people 0:24:55.480 --> 0:24:57.960 bring ten pieces and take ten pieces. They bring ten 0:24:58.040 --> 0:25:00.800 pieces and they take two pieces. You know, it's the 0:25:01.000 --> 0:25:04.080 ratio of what's left over to like what people take 0:25:04.240 --> 0:25:07.080 is can be really overwhelming. So anyways, at the end 0:25:07.119 --> 0:25:08.440 of it, we kind of looked at each other and 0:25:08.480 --> 0:25:10.520 we're like, we have so much clothes we could start 0:25:10.600 --> 0:25:13.119 a store. And I was in a transitional time in 0:25:13.200 --> 0:25:16.920 my life at that point and I wasn't really having 0:25:16.960 --> 0:25:19.719 a job. I'm all trying to say it in an 0:25:19.840 --> 0:25:24.280 articulate way. Oh, I was at a crossroads and Jen 0:25:24.560 --> 0:25:26.480 just turned to me and said, you know, I've always 0:25:27.640 --> 0:25:29.720 wanted to go around the country in an RV and 0:25:29.880 --> 0:25:33.200 thrift plus sized clothing and sell plus sized clothing, and 0:25:33.320 --> 0:25:35.600 I was like, oh, a plus bus and. 0:25:35.800 --> 0:25:36.119 That was it. 0:25:36.359 --> 0:25:38.920 We got chills. The dream was born. And we went 0:25:38.960 --> 0:25:40.960 home that night with our big news and I told 0:25:41.000 --> 0:25:42.800 my husband, I'm going to get a bus. This is 0:25:42.880 --> 0:25:47.800 like twenty fifteen, so really the height of like people 0:25:47.960 --> 0:25:51.440 like turning ice cream trucks into boutiques and soood trucks 0:25:51.560 --> 0:25:54.320 were like all the rage. And he just immediately was 0:25:54.400 --> 0:25:57.520 like such a dream killer and was like where are 0:25:57.560 --> 0:25:59.399 you gonna park it? And what about the insurance and 0:25:59.440 --> 0:26:01.840 the maintenance? Who's gonna drive it? And like it just 0:26:02.560 --> 0:26:05.520 burst my bubble to a degree. But I'm a doer 0:26:05.680 --> 0:26:09.320 and I can get shit done. And so we started 0:26:09.400 --> 0:26:11.480 to do pop ups out and about, like the Rose 0:26:11.560 --> 0:26:13.200 Bowl and this and that, and so basically we just 0:26:13.280 --> 0:26:16.399 were really scrappy and very much that thing of like 0:26:16.480 --> 0:26:18.480 if you have an idea, just do it, just do it. 0:26:18.640 --> 0:26:21.879 Don't make it perfect, just get it going. And so 0:26:22.000 --> 0:26:24.200 we started and people would come out and carry their 0:26:24.720 --> 0:26:27.200 big trash bags of clothes and pay eight dollars to 0:26:27.240 --> 0:26:29.639 get into the Rose Bowl in the heat, and we 0:26:29.800 --> 0:26:32.240 just slowly started to see that there was a community, 0:26:32.320 --> 0:26:33.280 there was an audience. 0:26:33.640 --> 0:26:33.760 You know. 0:26:33.880 --> 0:26:36.719 I had been to primarily events in New York at 0:26:36.760 --> 0:26:38.880 the time, and that's actually where Jen and I had met, 0:26:39.000 --> 0:26:43.320 so there wasn't really like a big la community at 0:26:43.359 --> 0:26:46.040 that time. There had been a couple of events shout 0:26:46.080 --> 0:26:49.760 out Curvy Fashionista. There had been these sort of like 0:26:50.440 --> 0:26:54.600 little events, but nothing that was like consistent, and really 0:26:54.640 --> 0:26:56.840 it was only Marie that was doing anything at that 0:26:57.000 --> 0:27:01.159 time that I can remember, So I feel that we 0:27:01.359 --> 0:27:03.920 really were sort of like the nucleus for a very 0:27:04.040 --> 0:27:07.000 long time at getting people together and getting people to 0:27:07.080 --> 0:27:10.600 come and shop and hosting events, and that was you know, 0:27:10.800 --> 0:27:13.639 we found after that, we found a little brick and 0:27:13.720 --> 0:27:16.840 mortar in the corner of this like random neighborhood. You 0:27:16.960 --> 0:27:19.040 really had to know. It was like a secret clubhouse, 0:27:19.680 --> 0:27:23.359 very different from the store. Now that's like on a 0:27:23.440 --> 0:27:25.560 retail street and you can just like walk by and 0:27:25.600 --> 0:27:25.879 see it. 0:27:26.080 --> 0:27:26.520 This was like. 0:27:28.280 --> 0:27:28.600 The Oh. 0:27:30.520 --> 0:27:32.800 I definitely had to learn to embrace it. It was 0:27:32.840 --> 0:27:35.600 a little bit harder for me, and I'm just like, oh, 0:27:35.840 --> 0:27:39.560 you think Nicolette Mason is going to come here? I 0:27:39.760 --> 0:27:44.080 just remember being like no, and Jen's like, yeah, it's 0:27:44.240 --> 0:27:46.960 downtown cool, and I was like, okay, I'm an Uptown 0:27:47.240 --> 0:27:54.240 you know what I mean, it's represent and represent east 0:27:54.280 --> 0:27:57.000 Side Now I'm an Eastside girl now. So anyways, that 0:27:57.160 --> 0:27:59.840 was the plus bus five years ago. Our dream really 0:28:00.080 --> 0:28:02.680 came true and we found this beautiful brick and mortar 0:28:03.160 --> 0:28:05.800 on this retail space where now you can come and 0:28:05.840 --> 0:28:07.720 you can grab a cup of coffee with your girlfriend, 0:28:07.880 --> 0:28:10.240 or you can go have lunch. You know, your partner 0:28:10.280 --> 0:28:12.400 can go watch a game across the street at the bar. 0:28:12.640 --> 0:28:15.919 And we have multiple size inclusive stores on the street. 0:28:16.080 --> 0:28:17.960 So it has really been a dream come true to 0:28:17.960 --> 0:28:19.960 get to York. We've been there for five years. I 0:28:20.119 --> 0:28:23.000 can't even believe it, and ten years total in the 0:28:23.080 --> 0:28:25.960 project this year. So you know, Jen and I have 0:28:26.040 --> 0:28:30.280 parted ways very amicably. It's all mine now and you 0:28:30.359 --> 0:28:32.440 know that comes with a lot of responsibility, and that 0:28:32.560 --> 0:28:36.600 comes with a lot of not pressure, but I think 0:28:36.720 --> 0:28:43.080 like the pressure to sort of like rectify the wrongs 0:28:43.120 --> 0:28:44.960 of the past, right the mistakes that have been made 0:28:44.960 --> 0:28:48.640 which I acknowledge, and also move forward and grow and 0:28:48.800 --> 0:28:51.920 keep one of the very few spaces in Los Angeles 0:28:52.400 --> 0:28:57.360 basically in the world openly. To me, that's the priority, 0:28:57.480 --> 0:29:00.840 right Like, nobody's perfect, No space is perfect, nothing is perfect. 0:29:01.680 --> 0:29:04.280 So my focus right now is really just to kind 0:29:04.320 --> 0:29:07.360 of keep chugging along because frankly, for me as a 0:29:07.400 --> 0:29:10.280 small business owner, when I do see that Joanne's and 0:29:10.360 --> 0:29:12.840 Party City and Forever twenty one are closing. 0:29:13.160 --> 0:29:14.120 It's scary. It is. 0:29:14.440 --> 0:29:16.680 Yeah, as a little old Plus Plus. 0:29:16.600 --> 0:29:18.320 It's like, for sure, it does something alarm. 0:29:18.680 --> 0:29:21.280 It's scary. It's really scary, and you have to wonder 0:29:21.400 --> 0:29:24.160 how far to fight, how hard to fight, how much 0:29:24.240 --> 0:29:27.080 to invest, how you know your time. It's like all 0:29:27.200 --> 0:29:30.480 of these things. So anyways, that's how the Plus was started, 0:29:30.560 --> 0:29:33.320 from a swap to a little brick and mortar and 0:29:33.440 --> 0:29:36.080 now hopefully you know, I don't know. I go between 0:29:36.160 --> 0:29:38.680 wanting to have a hundred of them and also being 0:29:38.840 --> 0:29:42.360 like I would be okay, maybe I'm okay having the 0:29:42.480 --> 0:29:45.320 really cutest little store in LA that people just die 0:29:45.400 --> 0:29:45.760 to come to. 0:29:46.560 --> 0:29:49.200 Yeah, you know, you bring up something that I you know, 0:29:49.280 --> 0:29:51.520 before I go onto our next question, you bring up 0:29:51.560 --> 0:29:53.240 something and this is you know, this is just me 0:29:53.360 --> 0:29:58.080 being you know, super optimistic. But I feel like we're 0:29:58.120 --> 0:30:02.160 seeing a divestment from these big stores and we're seeing 0:30:02.240 --> 0:30:05.200 more of an investment into stores like the plus Bus. 0:30:05.320 --> 0:30:08.280 You know, I will even say, you know, I go 0:30:08.400 --> 0:30:10.680 to different events and I get invited to different things, 0:30:10.840 --> 0:30:13.640 and yes, I will still buy from like you know again, 0:30:13.720 --> 0:30:15.440 I'll buy from the Nina Parkers. I'll buy from the 0:30:15.440 --> 0:30:17.720 Eloque because people send me gift cards to it and stuff. 0:30:17.760 --> 0:30:17.880 Right. 0:30:17.960 --> 0:30:20.680 But I will often say too, like when I ask 0:30:20.760 --> 0:30:24.000 for recommendations, you know, or I'll text Danielle, or I'll 0:30:24.040 --> 0:30:26.320 ask another friend of mine who is a person of size, 0:30:26.720 --> 0:30:29.920 they will often tell me go to this place that 0:30:30.200 --> 0:30:33.560 is a you know, one person owned or two person owned, 0:30:33.680 --> 0:30:35.560 or a mom and pop or oh, I know this 0:30:35.720 --> 0:30:37.800 girl who can make this in her backyard, right, Like 0:30:37.920 --> 0:30:40.840 it's I'm finding that I think we're just seeing that 0:30:40.960 --> 0:30:43.040 a lot of people are kind of over and I 0:30:43.120 --> 0:30:45.840 mean this is a larger conversation, but it feels like 0:30:45.880 --> 0:30:48.000 a lot of people are over the corporate greed. Right. 0:30:48.080 --> 0:30:50.520 We're seeing them do so many terrible things to to 0:30:51.280 --> 0:30:53.680 not only just us, but also the world. And I think, 0:30:54.120 --> 0:30:57.960 you know, I'm hopeful and I believe in my heart 0:30:58.000 --> 0:31:00.920 of hearts that you're gonna have an other ten years 0:31:01.120 --> 0:31:03.480 for the plus Bus. And if and if you worry 0:31:03.520 --> 0:31:05.680 about that, I'm gonna wish that for you, so that 0:31:05.800 --> 0:31:09.480 way the universe knows, you know, or even I'll even 0:31:09.520 --> 0:31:11.479 say it this way, when me and Joho we hit 0:31:11.520 --> 0:31:14.240 our first you know, two three mil, we'll go ahead 0:31:14.280 --> 0:31:16.719 and we'll invest. We will invest, and we will make 0:31:16.800 --> 0:31:20.160 sure that your that you know, your your company stays 0:31:20.160 --> 0:31:22.000 the floor. At least I will, you know, Jojo made 0:31:22.280 --> 0:31:24.080 Joho probably looking at they will like, well, I don't 0:31:24.120 --> 0:31:26.440 know about you, bitch, but I know about it. But 0:31:26.640 --> 0:31:30.960 I'm saying me, yes, I am. I will very much 0:31:31.080 --> 0:31:33.920 be happy to invest. But I yes. But I did 0:31:34.000 --> 0:31:36.080 want to ask you though, you know, so I will 0:31:36.200 --> 0:31:38.080 say this and I want I'm so happy I get 0:31:38.120 --> 0:31:39.800 to say this to you, and I get to say 0:31:39.840 --> 0:31:42.120 this on the air, you know. Before I dive into 0:31:42.160 --> 0:31:44.280 the question that I want to ask, I definitely wanted 0:31:44.320 --> 0:31:47.120 to thank you again for being the first person to 0:31:47.240 --> 0:31:49.800 send Slash sponsor me a look for my first red 0:31:49.880 --> 0:31:54.040 carpeted event. I remember telling Joho and Joho and I 0:31:54.120 --> 0:31:57.160 basically was like, Joho, take this money, figure out you 0:31:57.280 --> 0:31:59.200 know what I what I can wear. I just need 0:31:59.280 --> 0:32:01.640 help because I'm getting ready to walk a carpet and 0:32:01.840 --> 0:32:03.360 the look, actually, the look that I'm going to be 0:32:03.440 --> 0:32:05.160 wearing the night of is the look that I got 0:32:05.240 --> 0:32:07.360 from the Plus Bus because it's so special to me. 0:32:08.240 --> 0:32:10.160 And when I wear that outfit, my got the way 0:32:10.240 --> 0:32:12.600 people stop me, where did you get this from? And 0:32:13.120 --> 0:32:14.920 I'm like, girl, I got it from the Plus Bus. 0:32:15.040 --> 0:32:18.240 So it's just it's been really really cool to be 0:32:18.320 --> 0:32:20.360 able to know, like the first big thing that I 0:32:20.440 --> 0:32:23.840 did in Hollywood was connected to this other big thing 0:32:23.880 --> 0:32:25.560 that I'm getting ready to do, and so it's just 0:32:25.680 --> 0:32:29.160 it all kind of feels so universal, so universally connected. 0:32:29.240 --> 0:32:34.280 But anyway, all that to be said, I did now 0:32:34.360 --> 0:32:37.640 back to the work. You have been around for a decade, 0:32:37.760 --> 0:32:39.880 and it feels like y'all were the first of your 0:32:40.000 --> 0:32:43.000 kind for when you started and and since then, you know, 0:32:43.080 --> 0:32:45.880 we've seen places pop up, we've seen companies become a 0:32:45.920 --> 0:32:47.640 little bit bigger, we've seen them get a little bit 0:32:47.680 --> 0:32:50.600 more notoriety, et cetera, et cetera. But I did want 0:32:50.640 --> 0:32:52.240 to ask you, like, how do you feel like the 0:32:52.360 --> 0:32:56.040 Plus Bus has grown and has set the stage for 0:32:56.760 --> 0:32:59.760 not only just for like your next few years right 0:33:00.360 --> 0:33:02.320 in terms of growth, but also like how do you 0:33:02.360 --> 0:33:04.520 feel like you've set the stage for other places to 0:33:04.600 --> 0:33:06.520 come up. I mean, you know, we had brands like 0:33:06.600 --> 0:33:09.000 prim that closed, but we did want to know, like, 0:33:09.120 --> 0:33:12.560 how has the impact of the plus Bus really just 0:33:12.680 --> 0:33:15.520 impacted you and how you see the work kind of 0:33:15.600 --> 0:33:16.200 going forward. 0:33:16.960 --> 0:33:19.520 Oh gosh, well, thank you so much. We're so excited 0:33:19.520 --> 0:33:22.600 about your event. I'm so I'm such a yes person, 0:33:22.840 --> 0:33:25.160 like and I just love you know. We were connected 0:33:25.200 --> 0:33:31.480 by Kathy Deech, who's another amazing Broadway girly and so talented. 0:33:31.480 --> 0:33:33.920 I'm actually gonna be on another podcast thanks to her 0:33:34.000 --> 0:33:37.080 on Monday. And I get to wear my wedding gown, 0:33:37.120 --> 0:33:41.000 so I better go see if it fits. But you know, 0:33:41.360 --> 0:33:46.000 I think that when I think about the Plus Bus 0:33:46.120 --> 0:33:48.440 being the first space of its kind in LA, it's 0:33:48.640 --> 0:33:52.520 I'm so proud. I'm so proud. And I know that 0:33:52.760 --> 0:33:55.960 whether or not I'm the villain in people's story now, 0:33:56.200 --> 0:33:58.240 as they say, But you know, it's like, you. 0:33:58.280 --> 0:34:02.560 Can't you can't deny Ally's origin story. 0:34:02.800 --> 0:34:04.640 Exactly right now. I say it as a joke, but 0:34:04.720 --> 0:34:09.040 I'm like, and I think that you can't really tell 0:34:09.360 --> 0:34:13.359 the story of La Plus size fashion without the plus 0:34:13.440 --> 0:34:16.720 Bus and it was really an accident and a labor 0:34:16.840 --> 0:34:19.279 of love and very much a fake it till you 0:34:19.440 --> 0:34:22.240 make it. And that's also why it hasn't been perfect, 0:34:22.280 --> 0:34:24.240 you know what I mean. It's been very much a struggle, 0:34:24.400 --> 0:34:28.560 very much a oh my gosh, those racks American Apparel 0:34:28.680 --> 0:34:32.000 is closing. Those are free, They're for me. Okay, we're 0:34:32.000 --> 0:34:34.000 going to Bloomingdale's. Bloomingdale's is a shutting down. 0:34:34.040 --> 0:34:34.200 You know. 0:34:34.239 --> 0:34:36.400 The guy that does all the liquidation, he knows me now, 0:34:36.520 --> 0:34:38.719 So you know, we've been so scrappy, we have been 0:34:38.920 --> 0:34:43.560 so secondhand, we have been so I think that sometimes 0:34:43.719 --> 0:34:47.800 when people might see me as Marcy the wife of 0:34:48.120 --> 0:34:52.040 Tim going to Orlando Disney World this, and that they 0:34:52.080 --> 0:34:53.880 don't realize like my dad works for Disney World. I 0:34:54.160 --> 0:34:56.520 I got a discount. We flew there on points, you 0:34:56.600 --> 0:34:59.680 know what I mean, Like we packed sandwiches whatever it is, right. 0:34:59.800 --> 0:35:03.280 So I think optics in our world, in the social, 0:35:03.400 --> 0:35:06.120 as you said, the parasocial, like I think the plus 0:35:06.200 --> 0:35:09.680 bus sometimes has been seen as like target, like we're 0:35:09.719 --> 0:35:13.319 the man and we are so not you know, we're 0:35:13.480 --> 0:35:15.480 still so verre. And I say we because to me, 0:35:15.960 --> 0:35:17.800 even though I am the new soul owner. It is 0:35:17.960 --> 0:35:20.360 very much a community. It is my team, it is 0:35:20.520 --> 0:35:26.760 my girlies, and now my first amazing new employee, Gabe, 0:35:26.880 --> 0:35:31.680 is so awesome. A little male energy in there. But yeah, 0:35:31.880 --> 0:35:35.840 I think that the plus Bus is for me is 0:35:35.960 --> 0:35:37.680 what people will talk I've been working as a TV 0:35:37.800 --> 0:35:40.799 producer for the last ten years while owning the Plus Bus, 0:35:41.360 --> 0:35:43.800 and no one is going to talk about an episode 0:35:43.960 --> 0:35:46.799 of Top Chef that I produced at my funeral. They're 0:35:46.840 --> 0:35:49.040 going to talk about the Plus Bus. And to me, 0:35:49.560 --> 0:35:52.040 that's what fuels me, and that's what keeps me going, 0:35:52.280 --> 0:35:54.400 and that's what makes me want to keep doing it 0:35:54.560 --> 0:35:57.560 because I realize that number when there's room for all 0:35:57.600 --> 0:35:59.400 of us. I've always felt that way. I feel like, 0:35:59.400 --> 0:36:00.960 if they want you, they don't want me, and if 0:36:01.000 --> 0:36:03.000 they want me, they don't want you, And that's okay. 0:36:03.800 --> 0:36:06.640 Maybe next time they'll want us both. But there is 0:36:06.760 --> 0:36:09.680 room for everybody. We are in a teeny tiny niche 0:36:09.880 --> 0:36:14.160 of the world that Hollywood or the media already wants 0:36:14.560 --> 0:36:17.840 so little of. So I think it's just really important 0:36:17.920 --> 0:36:21.239 to acknowledge that there's room for there to be more 0:36:21.360 --> 0:36:24.520 than three stores in Los Angeles that carry plus sizes 0:36:24.800 --> 0:36:28.720 and I'm talking about small businesses. Okay, let's forget okay, anthropology, 0:36:28.800 --> 0:36:32.120 good American, Macy's whatever, Forever twenty one, rest in peace. 0:36:32.600 --> 0:36:34.000 But you know, there is room. 0:36:34.480 --> 0:36:39.080 There is room. There's seven thousand million TikTokers that are skinny, 0:36:39.239 --> 0:36:42.400 or millions of Instagram girlies that are thin. But you know, 0:36:42.520 --> 0:36:45.120 it's like if two people in the plus size world 0:36:45.239 --> 0:36:47.440 like look alike and are making similar content, it's like 0:36:47.800 --> 0:36:51.880 we go crazy. So, you know, for me, that's always 0:36:51.960 --> 0:36:54.440 been the theme in the plus size world. And when 0:36:54.480 --> 0:36:56.800 I talk to my elders when I need advice or 0:36:56.800 --> 0:36:59.800 when I'm feeling down, that's what I always go back to, 0:37:00.440 --> 0:37:04.239 is like, this isn't happening forever, you know. But I 0:37:04.360 --> 0:37:06.479 feel really proud of what we've done. I feel really 0:37:06.640 --> 0:37:11.399 proud of being ten years. Like that's a long time. 0:37:11.560 --> 0:37:14.400 I can't really believe it. And this year being our 0:37:14.440 --> 0:37:17.120 ten year anniversary, like I am trying to really focus 0:37:17.200 --> 0:37:20.719 on the positive and just be really proud. It's devastating 0:37:20.719 --> 0:37:24.480 when brands like prem close. Just to circle back to 0:37:24.560 --> 0:37:26.440 your question, because now I'm like, well here, dad, I 0:37:26.520 --> 0:37:31.680 go Okay, the adhds, you know, now Gabby has her 0:37:31.800 --> 0:37:34.960 line Villa Fresca, which just launched a new swim drop. 0:37:35.040 --> 0:37:37.600 It's studying. It's gorgeous. I just don't have tits like that, 0:37:38.040 --> 0:37:41.320 so it doesn't work for me. But I love that 0:37:41.440 --> 0:37:43.759 it exists. And we need more and more and more, 0:37:43.920 --> 0:37:46.239 you know, we need more, and we every day have 0:37:46.360 --> 0:37:48.360 a new brand that comes to the Plus bus a 0:37:48.440 --> 0:37:53.480 new brand. Sometimes I get things that actually are already closed, right, 0:37:53.600 --> 0:37:55.960 like a really great brand that was selling Plus that's 0:37:56.040 --> 0:37:58.800 now defunct. But like I'm like, what's this. You know, 0:37:58.960 --> 0:38:01.320 I've never heard of it. And so the reality is, 0:38:01.520 --> 0:38:05.000 and as you said, you know, Nina's cheap, You're actually 0:38:05.680 --> 0:38:09.040 kind of right. The reality is is that Nina can 0:38:09.160 --> 0:38:12.040 be ninety eight dollars or eighty eight dollars or seventy 0:38:12.080 --> 0:38:16.080 eight dollars at Macy's because it's Macy's and they're producing 0:38:16.200 --> 0:38:19.840 two hundred thousand of them when you're just like Marcy's 0:38:20.480 --> 0:38:24.120 yellow sweater line and I'm like hand making these or 0:38:24.200 --> 0:38:26.640 procuring this myself or trying to make it real. That's 0:38:26.680 --> 0:38:28.680 why it costs two hundred and fifty dollars, you know. 0:38:28.840 --> 0:38:31.160 And I think that there is really a lot of 0:38:31.320 --> 0:38:34.920 education that's needed for the customer to understand. That's a 0:38:34.960 --> 0:38:36.680 lot of the feedback we get, right, is all about 0:38:36.719 --> 0:38:40.680 the pricing of among other things. But you know, I'm 0:38:40.960 --> 0:38:45.160 optimistic about what the community can do and what us 0:38:45.360 --> 0:38:49.840 as consumers because I can't see Jeff Bezos as my 0:38:49.920 --> 0:38:54.279 competitor while he is, which is crazy. I always say, 0:38:54.360 --> 0:38:56.640 you know, Jeff Bezos, nobody at Amazon is doing a 0:38:56.680 --> 0:38:58.920 happy dance when you place an order, but I get 0:38:58.960 --> 0:39:01.200 a notification on my and I'm telling you I do 0:39:01.360 --> 0:39:04.320 a happy dance. I am. I love. One of the 0:39:04.400 --> 0:39:06.520 things I love the most is employing plus sized people. 0:39:07.000 --> 0:39:09.120 So for me, the better the plus bus does, that 0:39:09.239 --> 0:39:11.520 means the more fat jobs there are. I dream of 0:39:11.600 --> 0:39:14.279 corner offices. I dream of a customer service center where 0:39:14.280 --> 0:39:15.640 there's one hundred fat bitches employed. 0:39:15.840 --> 0:39:18.480 Actually that can be from work, but you know, like 0:39:18.680 --> 0:39:19.799 to me, I got you. 0:39:20.239 --> 0:39:22.439 That is for me, it's like the more the plus 0:39:22.520 --> 0:39:26.040 mus can grow and succeed, the more fat people will 0:39:26.120 --> 0:39:30.080 have jobs. So anyways, I think that there's just it's 0:39:30.120 --> 0:39:32.759 a lot of pressure. We live in a really challenging 0:39:32.920 --> 0:39:37.160 time for small businesses for fashion and of course, and 0:39:37.280 --> 0:39:38.560 I know that we've talked about it a little, and 0:39:38.600 --> 0:39:40.040 we're probably gonna talk about it more. But and we 0:39:40.120 --> 0:39:42.239 live in an age again, or we're in an era 0:39:42.800 --> 0:39:45.560 of ozempic, and so we're very much back to that 0:39:45.719 --> 0:39:48.680 before body, that mentality that the thin woman within is 0:39:48.719 --> 0:39:51.480 waiting to get out. We are very much cycling back 0:39:51.520 --> 0:39:54.000 to that, which I can only hope that you know, 0:39:54.440 --> 0:39:56.680 whether it's one or five or ten years from now, 0:39:57.239 --> 0:40:02.279 it will turn again. But yeah, everything impacts the plus bus. 0:40:02.360 --> 0:40:07.000 Everything in culture, everything in La celebrities, Lizzo cleaning out 0:40:07.040 --> 0:40:09.520 her closet, it all does have an impact on us. 0:40:09.600 --> 0:40:12.120 And I'm just trying to not be like Forever twenty 0:40:12.200 --> 0:40:13.320 one and keep my doors. 0:40:13.120 --> 0:40:14.600 Open, not necessarily. 0:40:14.680 --> 0:40:17.040 So there there's a lot there that I want to 0:40:17.040 --> 0:40:19.480 say and ask, But you do deal have a great 0:40:19.520 --> 0:40:21.960 segue into my next question, So I'll hold the thoughts 0:40:22.000 --> 0:40:23.800 I was taking before, but I want to ask this 0:40:23.920 --> 0:40:25.640 question because the struggle of the plus bus has been 0:40:25.680 --> 0:40:29.440 a space the interally like bridges the gap between plus size. 0:40:29.239 --> 0:40:30.640 Consumers and influencers. 0:40:30.760 --> 0:40:33.480 Right people you know and like people can meet their 0:40:33.480 --> 0:40:36.600 favorite fat fashion icon and or shop their looks and 0:40:36.640 --> 0:40:39.160 stories well too, right, that was something that was really 0:40:39.280 --> 0:40:41.120 not offer right how many times? Could you how many 0:40:41.320 --> 0:40:43.600 how many opportunities you have to meet like your icon 0:40:43.760 --> 0:40:46.440 selling something or you doing something right? But in the 0:40:46.480 --> 0:40:49.080 age of a Zenmpic and the commodification of weight loss 0:40:49.280 --> 0:40:52.360 or fitness sharings, et cetera, we've seen people who have 0:40:52.400 --> 0:40:55.120 built their presence off of fat fashion and or even 0:40:55.200 --> 0:40:55.920 fat activism. 0:40:56.520 --> 0:40:58.640 Changed your action And I'm curious to ask. 0:40:58.680 --> 0:41:03.560 Like what like like both as a person in the community, yourself, 0:41:03.880 --> 0:41:05.640 your thoughts on it, you know, and and it also 0:41:05.719 --> 0:41:09.239 and also like how does that impact the plus bus 0:41:09.520 --> 0:41:12.160 is like sellings? Right, Like you said, Lizo, do people 0:41:12.560 --> 0:41:15.520 so come to buy Lizzo stuff then if they feel 0:41:15.520 --> 0:41:16.960 like if they feel betrayed by her? 0:41:17.120 --> 0:41:19.960 Like yeah, sure, well the Lizo of it all has 0:41:20.000 --> 0:41:24.120 been controversial for the last year. I mean, I remember 0:41:24.200 --> 0:41:27.399 when we got listen Lizzo's closet for the plus bus 0:41:27.560 --> 0:41:30.400 is like getting an investment. It is like someone sending 0:41:30.480 --> 0:41:33.800 you fifteen thousand dollars, right, because that is what comes 0:41:33.960 --> 0:41:36.759 when we get ten trash bags set in an uber 0:41:37.160 --> 0:41:39.480 or I'm driving to the Hollywood Hills to get her stuff. 0:41:39.560 --> 0:41:43.239 You know, that's the reality. That is an investment. But 0:41:43.360 --> 0:41:45.879 there have been times obviously where we've promoted it much 0:41:45.960 --> 0:41:49.680 more loudly than others because you know, for the last 0:41:49.760 --> 0:41:51.640 you know, when the whole lawsuit and everything was happening, 0:41:51.680 --> 0:41:54.000 there's the number one question I would get asked, So 0:41:54.080 --> 0:41:57.040 what do you think about Lizzo? And as an employer, 0:41:57.239 --> 0:41:59.880 As an employee, I've worked in a lot of great areas. 0:42:00.000 --> 0:42:02.840 I've had a lot of gray evenings with bosses or whatever. 0:42:03.800 --> 0:42:05.640 You know, we really tried really hard to just kind 0:42:05.680 --> 0:42:09.759 of like not comment on our person. It's like, I 0:42:09.920 --> 0:42:11.680 don't know, I wasn't there, you know what I mean, 0:42:11.719 --> 0:42:13.279 I wasn't there. Only the people that were there. No, 0:42:13.920 --> 0:42:17.799 And unfortunately, I have learned the hard way that it's 0:42:17.960 --> 0:42:21.480 really important to have boundaries with your employees. And so I, 0:42:22.040 --> 0:42:24.799 in a way, as an employer can empathize and as 0:42:24.800 --> 0:42:28.160 an employee that maybe has been out with a boss 0:42:28.239 --> 0:42:30.360 and didn't really want that third round of drinks, like 0:42:30.440 --> 0:42:34.040 I can empathize with that too, you know. So anyways, 0:42:36.360 --> 0:42:39.680 people very much still want that little piece of someone's closet, 0:42:39.800 --> 0:42:42.480 whether it's test holiday that they love or Lizzo or 0:42:42.600 --> 0:42:46.560 Jasmine J. I mean, we have really we created the 0:42:46.680 --> 0:42:50.759 marketplace for this sort of interaction right where whether that 0:42:50.880 --> 0:42:52.879 person was in store. I mean, I just love when 0:42:52.880 --> 0:42:55.799 people are shopping like normal and there's like a celebrity there. 0:42:55.880 --> 0:42:58.680 They'll be like, is that Eureka O'Hara, And I'm like, oh, yeah, 0:42:58.719 --> 0:43:01.120 that's my Yeah, Eureka is here, that's my friend. But 0:43:01.239 --> 0:43:03.120 you know, that's the cool thing about the pluss is 0:43:03.160 --> 0:43:05.279 you never really know who's clothes you're gonna get and 0:43:05.520 --> 0:43:09.719 or who might even be there shopping. The body autonomy, 0:43:09.800 --> 0:43:12.520 as you mentioned earlier, is I think the hardest thing 0:43:13.880 --> 0:43:16.319 for us. I'll say for me as a person, right, 0:43:16.400 --> 0:43:19.400 I think those of us that have struggled, and I 0:43:19.520 --> 0:43:22.200 say that I don't want to get canceled struggled with 0:43:22.320 --> 0:43:27.440 our weight or I'm doing this like the friends, you know, 0:43:29.280 --> 0:43:31.480 those of us that have been on I mean, I've 0:43:31.520 --> 0:43:33.359 been on a weight loss journey for forty years, okay, 0:43:33.440 --> 0:43:36.880 and I'm forty one. So it's like I I, of course, 0:43:37.000 --> 0:43:39.520 if I see someone on Instagram that has lost sixty pounds, 0:43:39.600 --> 0:43:41.719 I want to know, what is your secret? What did 0:43:41.800 --> 0:43:44.719 you do? Now we're in this era of ozembic where 0:43:44.760 --> 0:43:47.480 we don't have to wonder too much. We pretty much 0:43:47.520 --> 0:43:49.960 all know it's like, Okay, she didn't eat sweet potato 0:43:50.000 --> 0:43:52.160 and write the peloton every day. This girl's been on 0:43:52.239 --> 0:43:53.200 the ozemp, you know. 0:43:54.160 --> 0:43:57.080 But I it is. 0:43:57.280 --> 0:43:58.960 I am on the ground. 0:43:59.080 --> 0:44:04.880 But go on, I'm saying it is hard as someone 0:44:04.960 --> 0:44:08.359 who has been I have been there. I am there. 0:44:08.560 --> 0:44:11.360 I am there as someone who's a fat icon myself, 0:44:11.640 --> 0:44:14.840 who runs a fat store, and every day is a 0:44:14.920 --> 0:44:20.920 commitment to body autonomy, self acceptance, maybe self love minute, 0:44:21.040 --> 0:44:24.719 but every day, yeah, every minute problem, some minutes more 0:44:24.760 --> 0:44:27.719 than others, but yeah, Like it is waking up in 0:44:27.800 --> 0:44:30.359 a plus sized body, in a bigger body, especially if 0:44:30.400 --> 0:44:34.120 you've been there your whole life. You know, it is 0:44:34.320 --> 0:44:36.839 really hard when we see these people that we love 0:44:37.000 --> 0:44:40.719 Adele or Rebel Wilson or Melissa McCarthy, it's sad to 0:44:40.800 --> 0:44:45.319 see them shrink away. Now Lizzo, it's like, okay, she's 0:44:45.360 --> 0:44:48.719 on her weight release. It's like, listen, we've got trainers, 0:44:48.840 --> 0:44:54.040 we've got nutritionists, they've got chefs, they've got add on 0:44:54.200 --> 0:44:56.200 that maybe a little bit of the shot, right, So 0:44:56.320 --> 0:44:58.279 add all of his elements together and it's like, yeah, 0:44:58.280 --> 0:45:02.080 I'd probably lose sixty pounds too. It's my whole job 0:45:02.600 --> 0:45:05.520 and they got some time, right, She's not on a tour, 0:45:05.600 --> 0:45:08.360 she's working out. I mean, we watched Chloe Kardashian. I'm sorry, 0:45:08.400 --> 0:45:10.800 but she used to be like fat, you know, in 0:45:10.960 --> 0:45:15.120 the media. We saw her whittle herself down, and it's 0:45:15.160 --> 0:45:17.640 because she worked on six hours a day and like 0:45:18.160 --> 0:45:21.560 didn't need anything whatever. And so I think the reality 0:45:21.680 --> 0:45:25.359 is that we too often put our all of our 0:45:25.440 --> 0:45:28.200 eggs or all of our investment, all of our hopes 0:45:28.239 --> 0:45:31.200 and dreams in on these people, in on this like 0:45:31.680 --> 0:45:36.040 you know, these idols, and it sounds very like biblical, 0:45:36.239 --> 0:45:38.880 but it's like, we really can't worship false idols. You 0:45:39.040 --> 0:45:42.479 can't put all of our hopes and dreams on these people. 0:45:42.600 --> 0:45:45.360 They're just humans like us, and we all don't know, 0:45:45.480 --> 0:45:48.600 we don't know the circumstances that you know, Joho, you 0:45:48.719 --> 0:45:51.880 said you've been offered freeozempic. Okay, well what about freeozempic 0:45:51.960 --> 0:45:55.719 and fifty grand? What about freeo zepic and five grand? 0:45:55.760 --> 0:45:58.719 You know what I mean, That's that's the difference. I mean, 0:45:58.840 --> 0:46:02.719 for me, I'll be really really honest if in ten 0:46:02.840 --> 0:46:07.560 years it has been the miracle drug that people are 0:46:07.680 --> 0:46:12.640 touting it to be, and I see that four out 0:46:12.680 --> 0:46:16.279 of five people are still in good health, haven't gotten 0:46:16.320 --> 0:46:20.680 a stomach cancer, haven't had adverse effects, and have kept 0:46:20.760 --> 0:46:23.160 the weight off right. So I'm talking about the people 0:46:23.200 --> 0:46:25.239 that are doing it right now. Call me in ten 0:46:25.320 --> 0:46:28.880 years on my fiftieth. I'm my Oprah and just like 0:46:29.040 --> 0:46:32.399 what I am, I'm a twelve. But I am really 0:46:32.480 --> 0:46:34.960 afraid of it, mostly because I just don't think there's 0:46:34.960 --> 0:46:37.880 a miracle cure. I don't want to shoot my personally. 0:46:38.000 --> 0:46:40.680 I feel it's poison until I don't know, and the 0:46:40.840 --> 0:46:44.600 effects that I've heard people describe are far beyond what 0:46:44.680 --> 0:46:46.799 I'm willing to go through to be like I. 0:46:47.120 --> 0:46:50.359 Mean, Macie Gray just came out and said, I mean 0:46:50.640 --> 0:46:53.120 so again, and this is not you know, I want 0:46:53.160 --> 0:46:55.040 to be very clear for our listeners, because we do 0:46:55.160 --> 0:46:56.640 have some listeners who will be like, oh lo on 0:46:56.680 --> 0:47:00.560 here they go. We're not trying to, you know, tostize 0:47:00.600 --> 0:47:03.319 this idea that I mean again. I love the idea 0:47:03.320 --> 0:47:04.600 that you say, do what you want to do with 0:47:04.680 --> 0:47:06.120 your body, and I want to make sure that we 0:47:06.360 --> 0:47:09.120 keep that. But I also want to recognize that there 0:47:09.200 --> 0:47:11.319 have been a lot of people to your question. There 0:47:11.360 --> 0:47:13.600 have been a lot of people who have come out 0:47:13.680 --> 0:47:16.640 and said Ozimpic has caused them a lot of trouble. 0:47:17.040 --> 0:47:19.480 And I want to be clear, Macy Gray was one 0:47:19.520 --> 0:47:22.000 of the ones who publicly said she could not shit 0:47:22.120 --> 0:47:25.359 for three weeks because of Ozimpic. I have friends who 0:47:25.440 --> 0:47:27.600 have told me that I had a friend who was 0:47:27.719 --> 0:47:30.680 using it and she kept passing out and they were 0:47:30.760 --> 0:47:33.719 saying it might be the ozimpic girl, you know, And 0:47:33.840 --> 0:47:37.360 so I just I, you know, I think to your point, Marcy, 0:47:37.480 --> 0:47:39.640 I really love that you mentioned that, because I think 0:47:39.760 --> 0:47:43.839 so many of us, the vanity of society has us 0:47:43.880 --> 0:47:46.719 reaching for anything and everything right. And I think for 0:47:46.880 --> 0:47:49.520 you to say, I'm going to do the due diligence 0:47:49.560 --> 0:47:51.840 and I'm going to try to take care of myself 0:47:51.920 --> 0:47:54.239 the best way I know how, and I'm also going 0:47:54.320 --> 0:47:56.200 to uphold this idea that I will watch you and 0:47:56.239 --> 0:47:58.880 see what you're doing, and if it works out, maybe 0:47:59.080 --> 0:48:01.200 I'll maybe I'll, you know again, because I think there's 0:48:01.200 --> 0:48:04.040 also this part of us that there are folks who fear. 0:48:04.280 --> 0:48:06.759 And I appreciate that we're having this conversation because I 0:48:06.800 --> 0:48:09.200 think it's needed. I think there's a lot of folks 0:48:09.280 --> 0:48:12.200 who who think and again, I don't want to speak 0:48:12.200 --> 0:48:14.360 for you, joho, but I know for me that because 0:48:14.480 --> 0:48:17.400 I am so comfortable in this plus sized body that 0:48:17.560 --> 0:48:19.640 I don't get the thought of wanting to do the 0:48:19.800 --> 0:48:22.960 jab or to you know again, Chapter five of my 0:48:23.080 --> 0:48:25.480 fucking book is me talking about why I didn't get 0:48:26.440 --> 0:48:28.560 you know, why didn't get my stomach cut out right? 0:48:28.680 --> 0:48:31.040 You know? So you know, we all are human and 0:48:31.200 --> 0:48:34.040 sometimes yes, the vanity gets at us. And I think 0:48:34.080 --> 0:48:37.160 it's okay to say that, But I also think there's 0:48:37.280 --> 0:48:41.880 a reality for us to recognize why that reality exists. 0:48:42.000 --> 0:48:44.840 And a lot of that reality is because society is 0:48:44.920 --> 0:48:48.000 constantly telling us. Again, like I tell people that those 0:48:48.080 --> 0:48:50.640 voices you hear in your head are not yours. The 0:48:51.160 --> 0:48:55.160 world is so amped to tell you that in order 0:48:55.200 --> 0:48:57.160 for someone to love you, or like you, or to 0:48:57.280 --> 0:49:00.080 accept you, you have to be this size. And I 0:49:00.200 --> 0:49:01.680 appreciate that you mentioned that. 0:49:01.920 --> 0:49:02.239 I don't know. 0:49:02.840 --> 0:49:04.520 I just want to say, like, because we're saying anything 0:49:04.600 --> 0:49:08.440 about like people were up in arms over co vaccines, 0:49:08.840 --> 0:49:12.120 but knowing that a single eye baby that came out 0:49:12.800 --> 0:49:13.360 the way. 0:49:13.280 --> 0:49:17.440 People lined up, y'all, y'all, I don't know what's in there. 0:49:17.520 --> 0:49:20.239 I don't know what is in the COVID medicine, you 0:49:20.400 --> 0:49:21.480 might give me x y Z. 0:49:21.719 --> 0:49:23.600 But everyone said but but I think like the point 0:49:23.640 --> 0:49:27.400 out Vandy was just talking about, like because you're selling dandy, right, Like, 0:49:27.560 --> 0:49:30.920 if you're selling health, if you're selling true health, people 0:49:31.120 --> 0:49:32.960 will not give a fuck about it because it's they're 0:49:32.960 --> 0:49:36.399 selling you true health on co vaccines, but they sell 0:49:36.400 --> 0:49:37.520 you vanity with ozambic. 0:49:37.600 --> 0:49:39.960 You're like, girl, sign me up. And I'm like, hey, y'all, 0:49:40.040 --> 0:49:41.680 I don't care what it does to my body. It 0:49:41.800 --> 0:49:44.560 means I can be skinny and be attractive or hot 0:49:44.719 --> 0:49:47.560 or be you know, uh, what's the desirable. So you know, 0:49:47.840 --> 0:49:49.880 it's funny because I actually saw a comedian do that. 0:49:49.960 --> 0:49:53.719 He was like, y'all were so angry and so up 0:49:53.800 --> 0:49:56.560 in arms about all of the vaccines. I'm not doing 0:49:56.600 --> 0:49:58.239 it because I don't know what's in it. But as 0:49:58.320 --> 0:50:04.120 soon as y'all got access to ozen Big, I have 0:50:04.880 --> 0:50:05.440 a lot of that. 0:50:05.680 --> 0:50:06.040 It's so. 0:50:07.719 --> 0:50:08.279 Yourself. 0:50:08.719 --> 0:50:10.920 I see it every day. I get girls that come 0:50:11.000 --> 0:50:14.000 in Hi, I have all my clothes, I lost a 0:50:14.120 --> 0:50:17.120 hundred pounds, and I'm like, okay, I'll take a look. 0:50:17.680 --> 0:50:20.040 And I would try really hard not to congratulate or 0:50:20.160 --> 0:50:21.719 just I'm not diminishing it, but I'm just like, I'll 0:50:21.719 --> 0:50:24.640 take a look, chop around whatever. I see him go down, 0:50:25.640 --> 0:50:28.399 and I've seen him come up. You will be there 0:50:28.480 --> 0:50:31.160 for them all the way through their journey, right. I'll 0:50:31.200 --> 0:50:34.560 be there for anybody in their life body journey, right, 0:50:34.600 --> 0:50:37.520 because bodies change. The body changes every single day. 0:50:38.360 --> 0:50:40.000 You said, I'll see when you come back with the 0:50:40.080 --> 0:50:40.520 same glow. 0:50:46.640 --> 0:50:48.600 I always say, dress the skin you're in, right. So 0:50:48.680 --> 0:50:51.160 there's a lot of fear of like sizing up, and 0:50:51.280 --> 0:50:53.279 I think sometimes there's that same fear when you have 0:50:53.480 --> 0:50:54.960 lost a bunch of weight. It's like, but what if 0:50:55.000 --> 0:50:57.360 I need that size twenty four again, I'm gonna be 0:50:57.440 --> 0:50:59.440 really pissed. I took it to the plus bus. I 0:50:59.520 --> 0:51:02.800 think both are equally haunting. And I think the reality 0:51:02.960 --> 0:51:04.880 is is what we know is the clothes are abundant. 0:51:04.920 --> 0:51:07.279 Even though we say there's no clothes, there's plenty of 0:51:07.360 --> 0:51:09.320 clothes for us right now, Okay, just come and see me. 0:51:09.800 --> 0:51:13.160 But the reality is is that I've seen a lot 0:51:13.280 --> 0:51:17.399 of people have their stomach cut out, John and have really, 0:51:17.520 --> 0:51:21.319 really terrible health after. So I do see that unless 0:51:21.480 --> 0:51:24.960 it's truly life saving, which again, about one in five 0:51:25.080 --> 0:51:29.160 people that I know have had a successful bariatric surgery 0:51:29.360 --> 0:51:33.240 have not fallen super ill and it has changed their life. 0:51:34.200 --> 0:51:36.200 But most of the time, what I have witnessed over 0:51:36.280 --> 0:51:38.759 ten years of working with fat people every single day 0:51:39.200 --> 0:51:45.520 is the bariatric surgery typically reverses and the so the 0:51:45.600 --> 0:51:47.880 ozebic of it all is just like the new version 0:51:47.960 --> 0:51:50.440 of that. And you know, yeah, I don't want to 0:51:50.480 --> 0:51:53.320 say I'll never do it. I personally don't feel that 0:51:53.360 --> 0:51:56.160 I would ever have a bariatric surgery unless it was 0:51:56.280 --> 0:51:58.440 something where it's like I literally like, couldn't you know 0:51:58.520 --> 0:52:00.520 I had to get it for whatever reason? 0:52:00.680 --> 0:52:00.799 Right? 0:52:01.680 --> 0:52:01.879 Yeah? 0:52:02.680 --> 0:52:04.640 But yeah, I mean, I think it's important that we 0:52:05.080 --> 0:52:08.560 let people do what they want to do with their bodies, 0:52:08.880 --> 0:52:11.160 just like we are, you know, pro choice or whatever 0:52:11.239 --> 0:52:14.040 it is, but with caution, you know, I think we 0:52:14.160 --> 0:52:17.120 need to be really careful about the why and for who. 0:52:17.680 --> 0:52:19.680 You know, you're you're on the o zempic or whatever 0:52:19.760 --> 0:52:21.800 it is, and if it's doing good for you and 0:52:21.920 --> 0:52:23.880 your body's agreeing with it and you're not getting the 0:52:23.920 --> 0:52:26.840 side effects, awesome, you're probably that one in five that 0:52:26.920 --> 0:52:29.880 it's working for. So like praise be. I'm just not 0:52:30.000 --> 0:52:31.959 in a place right now where I'm willing to fart 0:52:32.000 --> 0:52:35.160 all day or like hot hyrhea, Like I'm so busy. 0:52:35.360 --> 0:52:36.399 This is what I think about. 0:52:36.680 --> 0:52:39.440 Look, I'm like, I cannot have ozempic slow me down, 0:52:39.600 --> 0:52:44.000 like period, Like I abs don't have time. I'm not 0:52:44.120 --> 0:52:47.120 running to nobody's bathroom. I know that's right. I'm in 0:52:47.200 --> 0:52:49.680 the same mind I say, I fly too much. I'm 0:52:49.760 --> 0:52:53.399 on somebody's plane too many days out of the week, 0:52:53.600 --> 0:52:56.480 and I got this book tour coming up. What I 0:52:56.600 --> 0:53:02.480 looking like trying to squeeze. I'm not trying to way, 0:53:02.960 --> 0:53:05.839 absolutely not. Okay, so we have I have one more 0:53:05.920 --> 0:53:08.760 question that I definitely want to ask you. I noticed 0:53:08.800 --> 0:53:11.680 could be considered a tense question. But you know, again, 0:53:11.920 --> 0:53:12.759 these parts. 0:53:12.560 --> 0:53:14.279 Is this is, this is who we are. We like 0:53:14.360 --> 0:53:18.439 to go there sometimes and so I know, and again 0:53:18.480 --> 0:53:21.640 I'm learning a lot as I'm like, working with Joho 0:53:21.760 --> 0:53:24.400 has been such a big eye opener about kind of 0:53:24.520 --> 0:53:26.759 all of the stuff that's happening in the plus size world. 0:53:27.400 --> 0:53:29.600 And it's not that I don't know that this stuff 0:53:29.640 --> 0:53:31.319 is happening. It's just kind of one of those things 0:53:31.400 --> 0:53:34.680 of like my mind is so entertainment driven. I tend 0:53:34.760 --> 0:53:36.520 to not really know what's going on over in the 0:53:36.560 --> 0:53:39.480 plus size world unless someone brings it to my doorstep. 0:53:40.320 --> 0:53:42.160 And so with that being said, you know, I know 0:53:42.440 --> 0:53:44.239 that one of the things that you have had to 0:53:44.360 --> 0:53:47.040 kind of go through or deal with is the several 0:53:47.120 --> 0:53:50.319 iterations that you know, the plus bus has taken right, 0:53:51.080 --> 0:53:53.440 you have this you know again you said you started 0:53:53.480 --> 0:53:55.879 out kind of you know, with this swap, you move 0:53:55.920 --> 0:53:58.440 into this you know bus idea, and now you're actually, 0:53:58.800 --> 0:54:01.800 you know, in this actual brick and mortar, and you know, 0:54:01.960 --> 0:54:05.440 some of those growing pains have resulted in people losing investment, 0:54:05.719 --> 0:54:08.000 not only just in the plus bus, but also in 0:54:08.320 --> 0:54:10.359 you know, the movement itself, you know, or are out 0:54:10.440 --> 0:54:13.279 rightly saying that they just don't like the plus bus. 0:54:13.440 --> 0:54:16.120 And you know, I don't love digging into controversy because 0:54:16.160 --> 0:54:18.360 I don't think that it's beneficial for anybody who's a 0:54:18.440 --> 0:54:20.880 part of it. But I do think we'd be remiss 0:54:21.040 --> 0:54:23.279 to not talk about that a little bit. So I 0:54:23.400 --> 0:54:25.800 want to ask, you know, I have nothing but affirming 0:54:25.880 --> 0:54:29.040 and wonderful experiences working with you, and that's partly why 0:54:29.080 --> 0:54:32.080 I'm so excited to do my you know, my book 0:54:32.360 --> 0:54:36.960 launch at your at your space. But that doesn't negate 0:54:37.000 --> 0:54:39.279 that there have been some folks who have openly said 0:54:39.280 --> 0:54:41.000 that they have had some issues with the plus bus, 0:54:41.080 --> 0:54:43.520 and so I guess I want to ask, like, how 0:54:43.600 --> 0:54:45.839 are you demonstrating that the plus bus is a safe 0:54:45.840 --> 0:54:49.239 and affirming place for people to shop and for those 0:54:49.320 --> 0:54:54.680 who ultimately may have felt harmed. How are you, you know, 0:54:54.880 --> 0:54:57.600 kind of in kind of moving forward, Like, how are 0:54:57.680 --> 0:54:59.520 you kind of doing let's just call it what it is, 0:54:59.640 --> 0:55:01.839 damage control, you know, how are you dealing with kind 0:55:01.880 --> 0:55:03.200 of the comms of it all. 0:55:03.640 --> 0:55:05.880 Well, thank you for the opportunity to talk about it. 0:55:06.000 --> 0:55:08.400 I feel like it is a six part series on 0:55:08.480 --> 0:55:12.120 the history of like dissension within the plus sized community. 0:55:11.760 --> 0:55:12.000 In LA. 0:55:14.640 --> 0:55:15.319 And I know we have. 0:55:18.080 --> 0:55:22.440 The real fat gangs of LA. Like it's truly you know, listen, 0:55:24.680 --> 0:55:29.160 there's definitely been a little bit of an anti plus 0:55:29.280 --> 0:55:32.200 bus vibe going on for a couple of years now, 0:55:32.520 --> 0:55:36.239 and there's a lot of different reasons for that. If 0:55:36.280 --> 0:55:40.680 I'm going to be transparent, because everybody loves transparency now 0:55:41.239 --> 0:55:45.799 so much, a lot of transparency going ha now I'm 0:55:45.840 --> 0:55:47.799 just kidding, But if I'm gonna be transparent. 0:55:47.920 --> 0:55:48.080 You know. 0:55:50.480 --> 0:55:53.120 Gosh, there's so much to say, but to start with, 0:55:53.320 --> 0:55:55.880 first of all, we went through some heartbreaking layoffs a 0:55:56.000 --> 0:55:59.000 year and a half ago, and the reality of being 0:55:59.200 --> 0:56:02.520 in a club, in a mission minded business and everybody 0:56:02.640 --> 0:56:04.399 is here and getting paid to do all this fun 0:56:04.480 --> 0:56:08.640 stuff and make content and become fat icons and that ends. 0:56:09.640 --> 0:56:12.359 And that if anybody out there listening, or if either 0:56:12.360 --> 0:56:15.399 of you have ever been laid off, it's heartbreaking. It's 0:56:15.560 --> 0:56:19.319 heartbreaking when you don't even like your job, so let 0:56:19.400 --> 0:56:22.120 alone when you like your job and you're invested in 0:56:22.239 --> 0:56:24.680 it and you're providing your face and your beauty and 0:56:24.760 --> 0:56:27.799 your talent and all of that. So it's definitely been 0:56:27.840 --> 0:56:30.400 one of the most difficult things as a business owner 0:56:30.440 --> 0:56:32.240 I've ever had to go through and as a person. 0:56:32.719 --> 0:56:35.080 And so there is kind of there starts to become 0:56:35.239 --> 0:56:38.040 that little Now there's a group. Now there's a few 0:56:38.120 --> 0:56:42.600 people that are like, not the biggest fans. We've had 0:56:42.719 --> 0:56:45.760 some differences with folks in the past within the community. 0:56:45.760 --> 0:56:48.000 And I say we, I won't speak on behalf of 0:56:48.080 --> 0:56:50.359 my former business partner, but I will say we as 0:56:50.480 --> 0:56:54.320 like the plus bus. Just like anything, there's different clicks. 0:56:54.360 --> 0:56:56.680 There's different crews. You've got a different style, I've got 0:56:56.719 --> 0:56:59.960 a different style. You're gen z, I'm millennial, I'm high. 0:57:01.040 --> 0:57:03.560 Whatever it is. Right at the end of the day, 0:57:04.520 --> 0:57:07.400 what I would like to say first off is I 0:57:07.560 --> 0:57:10.479 do want to apologize to anyone that has ever felt 0:57:10.960 --> 0:57:14.520 hurt by the Plus Bus, whether in store, by a 0:57:14.760 --> 0:57:21.680 bad joke, by an unintentional having been misgendered. Nothing that 0:57:21.840 --> 0:57:27.400 anyone has ever been hurt by I believe was intentional 0:57:27.600 --> 0:57:30.920 or out of malice. But so often the things we 0:57:31.080 --> 0:57:33.760 as imperfect humans do or is we make a bad joke, 0:57:33.960 --> 0:57:38.440 or we unintentionally misgender someone because of whatever reason we 0:57:38.520 --> 0:57:40.320 don't know them that well, or we forgot or were 0:57:40.360 --> 0:57:43.840 being lazy or whatever. And so that is what I'll say. 0:57:43.880 --> 0:57:47.320 One is like, period and done. I apologize on behalf 0:57:47.360 --> 0:57:49.240 of anyone that has ever worked at the Plus Bus 0:57:49.720 --> 0:57:55.360 and for myself and yeah, anyone that you've ever interacted 0:57:55.440 --> 0:57:58.800 that is the Plus bus person. I think that moving 0:57:58.880 --> 0:58:01.439 forward and or what I've is that the plus Bus 0:58:02.240 --> 0:58:08.520 daily serves our LGBTQIA customers, our trans customers that every 0:58:08.640 --> 0:58:11.880 day are sharing with me that they're having the most 0:58:11.960 --> 0:58:15.680 gender affirming shopping experiences of their life. So what I 0:58:15.920 --> 0:58:18.840 have to keep doing is just the work and just 0:58:18.960 --> 0:58:22.680 getting better and making sure that myself and my staff 0:58:22.760 --> 0:58:26.040 are educated on all of the proper terminology and all 0:58:26.080 --> 0:58:28.600 of the proper ways to welcome people into our store. 0:58:29.080 --> 0:58:31.360 And you know, we've tried to eradicate pronouns, which I 0:58:31.440 --> 0:58:33.840 know can also be problematic. You know, there's all of 0:58:33.920 --> 0:58:35.960 these things you know that you're trying to do as 0:58:35.960 --> 0:58:39.880 a small business owner and as someone in this culture. Right, 0:58:39.920 --> 0:58:42.040 we're in this culture and I don't want to use 0:58:42.120 --> 0:58:45.160 the W word, but it's we're in this new culture 0:58:45.200 --> 0:58:48.120 where there is I say things to my friends outside 0:58:48.160 --> 0:58:50.200 of the fat world and they have no clue what 0:58:50.240 --> 0:58:54.360 I'm talking about. And it's because of our intersectionality, which 0:58:54.440 --> 0:58:57.360 is what makes us so amazing and powerful. Like the 0:58:57.440 --> 0:58:59.600 fat world is so queer and the queer world is 0:58:59.680 --> 0:59:02.880 so and together we're better. So for me, all I 0:59:02.960 --> 0:59:05.200 can do is say I am sorry, genuinely from the 0:59:05.200 --> 0:59:08.840 bottom of my heart to anyone that has been hurt 0:59:08.880 --> 0:59:10.680 by the plus bus, and I will say that we 0:59:10.760 --> 0:59:14.080 are committed to moving forward and being better, and as 0:59:14.200 --> 0:59:17.840 we evolve as the you know, corporate office evolves one 0:59:17.920 --> 0:59:22.960 of one now and our team evolves. We you know, 0:59:23.040 --> 0:59:24.680 we're just trying to be as inclusive as. 0:59:24.600 --> 0:59:25.000 We can be. 0:59:25.760 --> 0:59:28.120 Uh. We've been doing a lot of fire relief. We've 0:59:28.200 --> 0:59:31.400 been welcoming a lot of folks in for that. We've 0:59:31.520 --> 0:59:33.880 been doing our best, you know. We people didn't like 0:59:33.920 --> 0:59:37.080 how we did that either, and I definitely have had 0:59:37.360 --> 0:59:40.880 you can't win. Oh oh no, I don't have a scammer. 0:59:41.000 --> 0:59:44.480 I'm a full scammer, just like what the fuck Like 0:59:44.640 --> 0:59:48.040 it's just so sorry, but I'm like, bitch you Literally 0:59:48.640 --> 0:59:52.960 Jesus is an investor of the Plus Bus, and I 0:59:53.280 --> 0:59:57.280 swear to God someone would say, I don't like Apostle John, 0:59:57.800 --> 0:59:58.640 fuck the Plus Bus. 1:00:00.920 --> 1:00:03.800 I mean that's where for me, it's like, listen, we 1:00:03.880 --> 1:00:07.040 don't have enough places to shop. If you want the 1:00:07.120 --> 1:00:11.280 plus Bus to go away, keep doing what you're doing. 1:00:12.200 --> 1:00:13.160 But that's it. 1:00:13.840 --> 1:00:16.000 Every single day, new people walk into the Plus Bus. 1:00:16.120 --> 1:00:18.320 Every single day, somebody finds out about the Plus Bus 1:00:18.400 --> 1:00:21.400 every single day. I am thankful for the opportunities like 1:00:21.520 --> 1:00:25.240 this to amplify from the rooftops that there is one 1:00:25.360 --> 1:00:29.040 place in La one place. I say that confidently that 1:00:29.160 --> 1:00:32.600 you can shop seven days a week to get plus 1:00:32.640 --> 1:00:35.400 size closed. So my customers that are getting invited to 1:00:35.440 --> 1:00:38.960 the Grammys at the last minute or Elton John's Oscar party, 1:00:39.280 --> 1:00:41.880 they can come and find a gown when the party's 1:00:41.920 --> 1:00:45.600 in four hours. And I will continue to fight for that, 1:00:46.360 --> 1:00:50.040 and I will continue to host events and workshops and 1:00:50.240 --> 1:00:55.120 parties as we have, and that crew is going to evolve. 1:00:55.840 --> 1:00:58.439 And I would love an Olive branch. I would love 1:00:58.520 --> 1:01:00.680 for everybody to get along. I think about the mean 1:01:00.720 --> 1:01:04.080 girl's moment, she doesn't even go here. I think we 1:01:04.160 --> 1:01:07.320 need a little Kumbaya in the plus size community. I 1:01:07.360 --> 1:01:09.040 don't even know if you can say kumbaya anymore. I 1:01:10.880 --> 1:01:16.480 think we need a healing moment. Not probably, but it 1:01:16.520 --> 1:01:18.200 would be nice to have that moment, you know what. 1:01:18.240 --> 1:01:19.800 I mean, to have that little bit of like a 1:01:20.720 --> 1:01:22.760 team whatever it is. At the end of the day, 1:01:23.080 --> 1:01:25.840 people in the fashion industry fucking hate each other. People 1:01:25.920 --> 1:01:28.520 in the entertainment industry, there's people that hate each other 1:01:28.840 --> 1:01:30.800 like it's just a part of life that we are 1:01:30.920 --> 1:01:33.400 humans that are like existing and doing the same thing. 1:01:33.480 --> 1:01:35.720 And I just know that we need more of all 1:01:35.800 --> 1:01:38.479 of it, especially in the plus and fact world. 1:01:39.120 --> 1:01:42.640 I'm sorry that was just funny to be I can 1:01:42.680 --> 1:01:45.960 see someone would be a so damn man talk about that, Peter, 1:01:46.320 --> 1:01:50.720 dear John Joho, Marcy, let me. 1:01:52.560 --> 1:02:00.440 Just as as as the resident Jensennial. I cannot co 1:02:00.600 --> 1:02:02.680 sign things that have been said. But what I but 1:02:02.880 --> 1:02:05.160 what but what I can't say? I mean honestly, what 1:02:05.600 --> 1:02:08.640 you're speaking to Marcia is like, which is true. We're 1:02:08.720 --> 1:02:11.560 so quick to count people out when like when harm 1:02:11.720 --> 1:02:14.400 is done and when people are impacted in negative ways. 1:02:14.760 --> 1:02:16.840 But no one wants to be invested in restoration. No 1:02:16.920 --> 1:02:20.200 one wants to have wants to have a restorative process. 1:02:20.360 --> 1:02:23.320 No one wants to actually repair harm, right and like 1:02:23.440 --> 1:02:25.880 and like what you're doing at present right is like 1:02:26.240 --> 1:02:28.760 like like you're trying to repair harm. You're you're saying 1:02:28.800 --> 1:02:31.640 like like I am sorry this happened, and like I'm 1:02:31.680 --> 1:02:33.040 going sure, I'm going to shore show that we are 1:02:33.080 --> 1:02:37.120 more educated and also like and and also like we 1:02:37.320 --> 1:02:41.160 are humans and mistakes will be made and like if 1:02:41.240 --> 1:02:43.800 mistakes are made, tell us those mistakes and we can correct. 1:02:43.520 --> 1:02:44.200 Them in real time. 1:02:44.680 --> 1:02:47.720 But then going and you know, like like at the 1:02:47.800 --> 1:02:49.720 end of the day, right, like like this is something 1:02:49.760 --> 1:02:51.440 I think a lot is like I will never. 1:02:52.920 --> 1:02:54.640 Let me never because I'm sure there's there's I'm sure 1:02:54.640 --> 1:02:55.600 there's time right in might happen. 1:02:55.640 --> 1:02:58.600 But like I will most likely never turn down, never 1:02:58.680 --> 1:03:01.720 turn down black folks. Like unless you're clenty West, I'll 1:03:01.760 --> 1:03:03.800 turn you down real quick. But like I'm mostly never 1:03:03.840 --> 1:03:06.920 turning down black folks even when they mess up publicly 1:03:07.440 --> 1:03:11.320 because I'm not invested in I'm not invested in giving 1:03:11.640 --> 1:03:13.400 non black folks more reason to hate black folks that 1:03:13.440 --> 1:03:16.200 I'm not and I'm not interested in the in being 1:03:16.200 --> 1:03:17.360 a person to like. 1:03:17.480 --> 1:03:19.440 Cause a downfall of like black excellence. 1:03:19.520 --> 1:03:21.760 Right, And so it's so I think in the space right, 1:03:21.760 --> 1:03:24.400 if people are having issues with with with with a 1:03:24.480 --> 1:03:27.880 plus bus, they like, there there is level. And I 1:03:27.880 --> 1:03:31.080 will say this on trashy folks, there's a there's a 1:03:31.160 --> 1:03:33.480 choice shift to make in which either you're more important 1:03:33.560 --> 1:03:35.680 than the grid are good. And if you make that decision, 1:03:36.520 --> 1:03:38.920 I encourage you to effect on why I made a 1:03:39.000 --> 1:03:41.880 decision like we are Like I've been harmed in many 1:03:41.960 --> 1:03:44.720 places many times, and I know that if I make 1:03:44.840 --> 1:03:48.520 my harm the issue right, I'm possibly tearing down something 1:03:48.600 --> 1:03:52.520 that people need and need to use an access and 1:03:52.680 --> 1:03:56.280 I would rather not I'm not modeling myself right, I'm 1:03:56.280 --> 1:03:58.080 not saying to Mardy yourself by I'm saying I would 1:03:58.160 --> 1:04:02.520 rather explore result and repair with that place, so I 1:04:02.600 --> 1:04:05.760 forget about being there and so people can still access 1:04:05.840 --> 1:04:08.600 the resources they need to access, Like there are places that. 1:04:08.680 --> 1:04:09.600 People like there. 1:04:09.720 --> 1:04:12.600 It truly, there is no other plus bus in my 1:04:13.080 --> 1:04:15.720 in my eyes, there's no there's no there is another 1:04:15.760 --> 1:04:18.919 place that I know. Yes, to your point on that block, 1:04:18.960 --> 1:04:20.280 there are the places I can go to that have 1:04:20.360 --> 1:04:22.920 more plus sizes. But let me let me answer you. 1:04:23.320 --> 1:04:26.120 There's there's one place on your to the ball that 1:04:26.160 --> 1:04:28.640 I went to and their sizing for pus size was 1:04:28.720 --> 1:04:29.680 not actually plus size. 1:04:30.160 --> 1:04:32.640 Like I was, like, you have all? 1:04:33.400 --> 1:04:35.280 She said, I'm gonna name names, but I'm not gonna 1:04:38.560 --> 1:04:40.400 Why is this six X not thinking on me? Bitch? 1:04:40.720 --> 1:04:41.520 It doesn't hit me. 1:04:42.040 --> 1:04:45.200 It doesn't mean no, like, yeah. 1:04:45.520 --> 1:04:48.000 I get it, and listen. I mean, I I so 1:04:48.200 --> 1:04:50.720 appreciate your feedback. I was so excited to be invited 1:04:50.760 --> 1:04:52.560 on the pod. I was so excitic when you wanted 1:04:52.560 --> 1:04:54.760 to have your party at the store John and and 1:04:54.880 --> 1:04:57.760 I remember thinking like, oh, I don't know if John 1:04:57.920 --> 1:05:00.800 knows about the lore because you know, well, that's the 1:05:00.920 --> 1:05:02.520 thing at the end of the day, is that everyone 1:05:02.680 --> 1:05:06.400 has their different experiences of me, of the store, of 1:05:06.600 --> 1:05:09.040 the person that they shopped with, or you know, it's 1:05:09.320 --> 1:05:12.080 just like any shopping and it's not like any shopping experience, 1:05:12.160 --> 1:05:13.960 but it's like some are better than others, you know. 1:05:14.120 --> 1:05:18.720 And I am really open and I invite, like if 1:05:18.760 --> 1:05:21.280 somebody out there feels that they really would like to talk, 1:05:21.800 --> 1:05:24.800 would like to discuss and have some sort of like 1:05:25.760 --> 1:05:30.640 as you were saying, coming together, feedback whatever. I feel 1:05:30.640 --> 1:05:32.840 a little bit awkward right now, like about being the 1:05:32.880 --> 1:05:35.360 person to organize it, and I hate using this word. 1:05:35.440 --> 1:05:38.280 I don't feel super safe necessarily being the one to 1:05:38.400 --> 1:05:41.280 organize it. But if somebody did, or if somebody reached out, 1:05:41.280 --> 1:05:44.960 even just independently and wanted to talk, and I don't 1:05:44.960 --> 1:05:46.560 think it's going to result in us all being best 1:05:46.560 --> 1:05:48.240 friends again. And I don't think it's going to result 1:05:48.280 --> 1:05:50.600 in us all being like we're a big, happy family. 1:05:51.040 --> 1:05:55.560 But I do think it might result in us acknowledging Okay, 1:05:55.640 --> 1:05:59.240 this happened, we apologize, let's move forward. And at the 1:05:59.320 --> 1:06:00.760 end of the day, like you said, what's the most 1:06:00.840 --> 1:06:04.000 important thing is for this resource to continue because the 1:06:04.040 --> 1:06:07.040 Plus Bus lives beyond me, It lives beyond Jen. The 1:06:07.120 --> 1:06:09.160 Plus Bus has really at the end of the day, 1:06:09.760 --> 1:06:12.040 it will carry on as long as it can. And 1:06:12.120 --> 1:06:15.520 I always say, whether however my career ebbs and flows 1:06:15.640 --> 1:06:17.920 or whatever happens with the Plus Bus, as long as 1:06:17.920 --> 1:06:20.200 the Plus bus can break even, I will continue to 1:06:20.360 --> 1:06:22.880 run the Plus Bus. It might not mean I'm there 1:06:22.920 --> 1:06:25.400 every day if it doesn't start to pick up, but 1:06:25.560 --> 1:06:27.600 you know, we will always have the Plus busts open. 1:06:27.640 --> 1:06:29.200 I wish I could have like a lock box on 1:06:29.240 --> 1:06:31.880 a QR cote on Venmo and you could just help yourself, 1:06:32.200 --> 1:06:35.920 But you know will I am committed to continuing to 1:06:36.080 --> 1:06:39.000 provide this resource and I'm going to continue to try 1:06:39.040 --> 1:06:41.240 to be better. And as we are now in our 1:06:41.320 --> 1:06:44.640 fifth year on York and our tenure in business, fingers crossed, 1:06:44.680 --> 1:06:49.560 it gets better. But we do definitely need for the community, 1:06:49.720 --> 1:06:52.240 those that are local that didn't know any of this 1:06:52.320 --> 1:06:54.600 beef exist or don't. We need our regulars to be regular. 1:06:55.080 --> 1:06:56.959 We need people to come and think of us before 1:06:57.000 --> 1:07:00.240 they go to Amazon or Asos or Eloquy or wherever 1:07:00.320 --> 1:07:03.200 it is. And I do need people that have had 1:07:03.240 --> 1:07:06.000 a bad experience of the Plus bus, to understand and 1:07:06.120 --> 1:07:10.760 accept that I'm sorry and that I would like to 1:07:10.840 --> 1:07:17.320 move on, and to please stop basically spreading yell at gossip, 1:07:17.440 --> 1:07:22.080 rumor's malice because the Plus bus ending is really actually, 1:07:22.120 --> 1:07:24.959 like you said, quite harmful for a lot of fat people, 1:07:25.080 --> 1:07:27.400 and I know that, but I can't say that. John. 1:07:27.680 --> 1:07:29.280 Well, yeah, I know, I know you and I know 1:07:29.400 --> 1:07:31.200 you can't buy. So I'm gonna say this and then 1:07:31.200 --> 1:07:32.680 we gotta go to break. But I'm gonna say this 1:07:32.760 --> 1:07:35.360 real quick. So I got two events coming up, mainly 1:07:35.680 --> 1:07:38.040 you know what you talking about, And I'm thinking to myself, 1:07:38.080 --> 1:07:40.080 I have a little bit of extra coin in my pocket, 1:07:40.600 --> 1:07:43.600 so I'm a slide through tomorrow and try to give 1:07:43.640 --> 1:07:45.600 me a look, not only one for this glad event 1:07:45.640 --> 1:07:48.520 I gotta go to, but also for my for my 1:07:48.640 --> 1:07:51.400 actual book event. I'm gonna wear something new, So Marcy, 1:07:51.560 --> 1:07:53.800 if you're in store tomorrow, you will be seeing me. 1:07:54.240 --> 1:07:56.400 And the other thing I'm gonna say real quick before 1:07:56.560 --> 1:07:59.160 before we go to break and pay pay bills that 1:07:59.200 --> 1:08:02.080 we ain't got money for or you know, y'all, I'm 1:08:02.080 --> 1:08:04.080 gonna say, you know, I know we're in a mixed company. 1:08:04.120 --> 1:08:05.680 But I'm gonna say it because this is the way 1:08:05.720 --> 1:08:09.160 we say. Y'all niggas will have a bad experience at Target. 1:08:09.720 --> 1:08:12.400 Y'all niggas will have a bad experience in Starbucks. Y'all 1:08:12.400 --> 1:08:15.560 will have a bad experience experience at McDonald's. You'll have 1:08:15.680 --> 1:08:18.920 a bad experience at a Chick fil a. You'll have 1:08:19.000 --> 1:08:23.519 a bad experience at what's that other? What's that other one? Uh, 1:08:24.080 --> 1:08:26.800 the the with the ice cream because their ice cream 1:08:26.880 --> 1:08:27.600 is disgusting? 1:08:28.840 --> 1:08:29.200 What is it? 1:08:29.360 --> 1:08:34.479 No? Not dairy queen? Come on, keep going? They see Coldstone? Yes, 1:08:34.560 --> 1:08:37.160 the Coldstone ice cream always tastes like a back of 1:08:37.200 --> 1:08:40.519 a freezer. Y'all niggas will have a bad experience at 1:08:40.560 --> 1:08:44.400 the Stater Brothers, the Ralphs, the Albertsons. Y'all niggas will 1:08:44.439 --> 1:08:47.120 have a bad experience even at Macy's. And you know 1:08:47.200 --> 1:08:50.920 what you do, You go back. You will always go 1:08:51.040 --> 1:08:52.760 to a different You may not go to the one 1:08:52.800 --> 1:08:55.759 you have the bad experience with, but you will still 1:08:55.880 --> 1:08:59.000 keep supporting the brand. And the reason why I say 1:08:59.080 --> 1:09:01.080 that is this, I think it is. You know, I'm 1:09:01.120 --> 1:09:02.960 not just saying this because Marcy is here. I'm saying 1:09:02.960 --> 1:09:05.360 this because I've been in this predicament, right, I've been 1:09:05.400 --> 1:09:07.800 in this predicament where people constantly you know, and I 1:09:07.880 --> 1:09:10.320 still get it. Yoh, John, you've changed, and you know, 1:09:10.760 --> 1:09:14.280 John's canceled and John doesn't. John doesn't speak about activism 1:09:14.360 --> 1:09:16.600 the way that they used to do that. Okay, But 1:09:16.760 --> 1:09:21.840 what I'm also saying is give people grace, give people 1:09:21.920 --> 1:09:24.400 the opportunity to say I did not do that, but 1:09:24.520 --> 1:09:27.120 I will take accountability for that thing that happened, and 1:09:27.200 --> 1:09:29.920 let's move from there. And I just I just you know, 1:09:30.000 --> 1:09:32.280 I say that, Like I said, it's just it's frustrating 1:09:32.360 --> 1:09:34.600 to me because and me and a few of my 1:09:34.720 --> 1:09:36.479 other friends, you know, we keep it in the check 1:09:36.479 --> 1:09:38.560 because I ain't gonna tell everybody on my bases on 1:09:38.720 --> 1:09:41.840 the street, but we text because it's like, what the 1:09:42.560 --> 1:09:45.000 this again another episode that we really need to do? Joho? 1:09:45.439 --> 1:09:49.320 What the fuck? Can Like there's if you do right, 1:09:49.560 --> 1:09:51.840 you're still doing wrong. And that is the frustration that 1:09:51.960 --> 1:09:55.000 I have in this moment, not only just with like activism, 1:09:55.120 --> 1:09:57.519 but just like with our world. It's like we are 1:09:57.680 --> 1:10:01.479 all fighting to stay alive at this point, whether it 1:10:01.600 --> 1:10:03.320 be in a career or whether it be just to 1:10:03.360 --> 1:10:06.320 stay fucking alive in a world where where cis gender 1:10:06.400 --> 1:10:09.000 white men are trying to kill us and it is, 1:10:09.200 --> 1:10:10.919 it is. It's just it's very frustrating. 1:10:11.120 --> 1:10:16.120 So yeah, Like I also I think that it's also 1:10:16.320 --> 1:10:18.880 like I think it's also different. 1:10:19.240 --> 1:10:22.479 Like I think a lot about the idea of reputation 1:10:22.600 --> 1:10:24.960 and what people say, right and like you know, like 1:10:25.040 --> 1:10:27.000 and like it's some case it's important in some ings 1:10:27.000 --> 1:10:28.080 it's not. But like I think the case of the 1:10:28.080 --> 1:10:30.479 pus bus, right, like you have to have a place 1:10:30.520 --> 1:10:34.200 where I could literally name him, like handfuls of people 1:10:34.840 --> 1:10:37.519 of black folks, trans folks, queer folks, folks like and 1:10:37.640 --> 1:10:41.680 intersexual folks who have had nothing but amazing experiences, right, 1:10:41.760 --> 1:10:44.080 Like I like the thing like like I have a 1:10:44.120 --> 1:10:47.840 friend last year who who messaged me frantically like I 1:10:47.920 --> 1:10:50.439 have a friend I have about trans friend. 1:10:50.320 --> 1:10:53.960 Who was looking for clothing for like for interviews. 1:10:53.600 --> 1:10:55.600 And I was like, try the pus bus when the 1:10:55.640 --> 1:10:58.280 plus bus And I don't know if it was you, 1:10:58.400 --> 1:10:59.720 Marcia was there something like that? 1:11:00.200 --> 1:11:00.680 Who were you? 1:11:00.880 --> 1:11:04.560 You were give them like four free outfits for like 1:11:04.960 --> 1:11:08.160 that that that they they could bring two interviews and 1:11:08.280 --> 1:11:08.639 then they. 1:11:08.600 --> 1:11:10.320 Got and then they got the job that they were 1:11:10.400 --> 1:11:13.840 interviewing for. Right, Like I I can tell you like 1:11:14.200 --> 1:11:16.080 physical data of how to experienced people have had. 1:11:16.160 --> 1:11:18.599 Right, It'd be different if every friends I've ever heard about, 1:11:18.640 --> 1:11:21.559 you know, like like about the Blas plus was bad, right, 1:11:21.680 --> 1:11:22.719 Like I have only. 1:11:22.600 --> 1:11:23.639 Had positive great ones. 1:11:23.640 --> 1:11:26.559 I've always seen positive, great ones, and I've seen ones 1:11:26.600 --> 1:11:28.120 that have not been life for for not just the 1:11:28.160 --> 1:11:30.360 life for ring, but like and somebody's like life saving, right, 1:11:30.400 --> 1:11:33.720 like people giving people access having them be dressed for 1:11:33.800 --> 1:11:36.679 a job is life saving that helps people. 1:11:38.680 --> 1:11:41.400 Yeah, and I have to acknowledge. And my dear friend Pucks, 1:11:41.520 --> 1:11:43.439 who runs the fat Con, which is one of the 1:11:43.479 --> 1:11:46.040 most impactful events I've ever been to, and y'all need 1:11:46.120 --> 1:11:49.439 to put it on your calendar or January January sixteenth 1:11:49.560 --> 1:11:53.320 in Seattle, meet me there, Pucks always says and has 1:11:53.400 --> 1:11:57.400 taught me, only the most marginalized person in the room 1:11:57.640 --> 1:12:01.240 can say whether the space is safe, right, And so 1:12:01.760 --> 1:12:05.800 I acknowledge that, And it hurts me to my core 1:12:05.880 --> 1:12:08.759 that anyone has ever felt that. Right. But as you said, Jordan, 1:12:08.800 --> 1:12:11.280 whether I did it or not, I acknowledge it, I 1:12:11.400 --> 1:12:13.840 accept it, and I want to move forward and do better, 1:12:14.400 --> 1:12:17.080 and so I just you know, I haven't really been 1:12:17.120 --> 1:12:20.679 able to talk about this with anybody, and it's mostly 1:12:20.800 --> 1:12:24.920 been call outs or you know, gossip or when I 1:12:25.080 --> 1:12:27.759 have had the opportunity to mention like, hey, we should 1:12:27.800 --> 1:12:34.880 talk to someone recently, they basically denied me that. So 1:12:36.040 --> 1:12:40.080 I think it's just felt really scary and good to 1:12:40.200 --> 1:12:41.960 be able to like know that we would be able 1:12:42.000 --> 1:12:45.400 to address this, and it feels just like safe for 1:12:45.520 --> 1:12:47.360 me as a small business owner who has been just 1:12:47.439 --> 1:12:49.599 trying to do this, like this is all an accident. 1:12:49.680 --> 1:12:52.720 The plus us is all like literally smoking mirrors and 1:12:52.920 --> 1:12:54.960 we're just trying to keep it going, you know what 1:12:55.040 --> 1:12:55.320 I mean. 1:12:55.439 --> 1:12:58.360 I think you're you're just saying you're you're human, You're 1:12:58.960 --> 1:13:00.800 and I think that you know maybe and again I 1:13:00.880 --> 1:13:03.479 don't know you personally, but I'm like, I know, I 1:13:03.640 --> 1:13:06.200 we we I we. Our producer are screaming, we got. 1:13:07.720 --> 1:13:07.840 Us. 1:13:08.400 --> 1:13:10.600 Yeah, I know, I know our producers are screaming, we 1:13:10.640 --> 1:13:12.360 gotta go to break. But I was just say this, like, 1:13:12.400 --> 1:13:14.719 and I know we're feeding into segment the next segment, 1:13:15.000 --> 1:13:17.760 but I'm just saying, like I genuinely believe in my 1:13:17.840 --> 1:13:21.040 heart of hearts like this conversation needed to happen because 1:13:21.080 --> 1:13:25.240 I think people need to hear folks say I'm fucking sorry, 1:13:25.600 --> 1:13:28.960 and I yeah, I fucked up because I'm not Jesus like, 1:13:29.080 --> 1:13:31.800 I'm not you know, I don't. I'm not perfect, and 1:13:31.880 --> 1:13:34.439 I keep saying Jesus regardless if you believe them or not. 1:13:34.520 --> 1:13:37.479 It's because the world expects you to be so perfect 1:13:37.760 --> 1:13:40.840 when you're not. And we're talking about fatness people, We're 1:13:40.880 --> 1:13:44.200 talking about being imperfect and imperfect bodies and trying to 1:13:44.280 --> 1:13:47.280 love these imperfect bodies and in the process, we're harming 1:13:47.320 --> 1:13:49.280 each other. And so I'm just I'm really on a 1:13:49.439 --> 1:13:52.120 I'm really on a tangent. I know, I'm on a soapbox, 1:13:52.200 --> 1:13:54.720 but it's just it's so frustrating to me because it's 1:13:54.840 --> 1:13:57.640 not just the fat community that's doing this shit. The 1:13:57.760 --> 1:14:00.000 black community is doing the same thing, the queer community, 1:14:00.080 --> 1:14:02.920 he is doing the same thing. We are all literally 1:14:03.240 --> 1:14:07.080 targets right now. And I'm I'm I'm like, if there's nothing, 1:14:07.160 --> 1:14:09.320 no one hears, and I'm getting really passionate about it 1:14:09.400 --> 1:14:11.840 because no, I like, I don't. I also don't have 1:14:11.960 --> 1:14:14.160 anyone really to talk about with this, but we are 1:14:14.360 --> 1:14:19.320 all sitting ducks right now, and we cannot operate this way. 1:14:19.400 --> 1:14:22.560 We just can't. So just give people grace that we 1:14:22.760 --> 1:14:24.920 that that's that's where I want to leave it. We 1:14:25.040 --> 1:14:27.799 really have to do better at that because they're already 1:14:27.840 --> 1:14:30.280 coming for us, and we really we really don't need 1:14:30.360 --> 1:14:32.160 to give them anymore. And I hate saying this, We 1:14:32.240 --> 1:14:33.599 don't need to give them any more, ammo. 1:14:34.520 --> 1:14:38.000 So as we find our soothing circle for for our 1:14:38.040 --> 1:14:42.519 loved ones and pay our haters some dust, we gotta take, yeah, 1:14:42.600 --> 1:14:45.599 another break along the bread this time, and we come 1:14:45.640 --> 1:14:47.200 back with jump into our yes man and. 1:14:47.240 --> 1:14:49.000 No Man PAMs more than just a second. 1:14:57.880 --> 1:15:01.120 All right, y'all, So we are back with the segment 1:15:01.200 --> 1:15:04.000 that y'all love and also some of y'all love to hate, 1:15:04.320 --> 1:15:06.720 Yes ma'am and No Man Pam. And this week I 1:15:06.880 --> 1:15:08.880 openly want to start off by saying my yes ma'am. 1:15:08.960 --> 1:15:11.439 This week, I genuinely so I was gonna name a name, 1:15:11.560 --> 1:15:13.360 and I'm actually not going to name a name. I'm 1:15:13.400 --> 1:15:17.920 just gonna say any person, any brand, any anybody who 1:15:18.120 --> 1:15:22.400 is doing anything to make bigger bodies feel beautiful. I 1:15:22.560 --> 1:15:24.640 genuinely want to say yes ma'am to them, And what 1:15:24.720 --> 1:15:26.439 I say by that is if you are a designer, 1:15:26.880 --> 1:15:30.080 you know, I I forget who does Kecky Palmer. But 1:15:30.080 --> 1:15:31.880 I've heard her talk about how, like when she gained 1:15:31.920 --> 1:15:34.439 weight with her pregnancy, there's been designers that had helped 1:15:34.439 --> 1:15:37.800 her feel beautiful, like any body who's doing anything to 1:15:37.880 --> 1:15:41.200 make big bodies feel good. I dream of the day 1:15:41.280 --> 1:15:43.439 that I get to work with, you know, a a 1:15:43.840 --> 1:15:46.280 really high fashion person who's like, you're you're still a 1:15:46.360 --> 1:15:48.519 big girl, but we're gonna give you glam. You know, 1:15:48.840 --> 1:15:50.800 the days that me and Jojo get to walk a 1:15:50.920 --> 1:15:55.360 red carpet together, you know, in la culturista fashion, you know, 1:15:55.520 --> 1:15:58.360 and get to just be out there making uh, making 1:15:58.560 --> 1:16:00.560 the girls eat it. I dream of that day that 1:16:00.720 --> 1:16:03.040 we can do that. And so also I also want 1:16:03.080 --> 1:16:05.040 to say too with that, you know, I also want 1:16:05.080 --> 1:16:08.080 to say big ups to companies and orgs that are 1:16:08.200 --> 1:16:11.040 suffering because the big girls are not giving them the 1:16:11.120 --> 1:16:14.439 love that they deserve. And yeah, and that kind of 1:16:14.520 --> 1:16:17.000 folds into this this NOMNPAM that I have. You know, 1:16:17.160 --> 1:16:21.200 I'm really frustrated, but just you know, so I'll say 1:16:21.240 --> 1:16:24.920 this for my NOMNPAM. I am semi frustrated with the 1:16:25.000 --> 1:16:28.640 way that folks have not been holding the industry specifically 1:16:28.720 --> 1:16:31.680 accountable for the ways that they are continuing to make 1:16:31.720 --> 1:16:36.160 people hate their bodies. It. It's extremely frustrating to see 1:16:36.200 --> 1:16:40.760 celebrities that I know, even personally celebrities I know, go 1:16:41.000 --> 1:16:45.639 on record and say really heinous and hateful shit now 1:16:45.680 --> 1:16:48.479 that they've lost weight, right, And and that's been the 1:16:48.560 --> 1:16:51.200 biggest frustration that I have is just you know, I 1:16:51.520 --> 1:16:54.439 really don't think people recognize how feeding into this wave 1:16:54.600 --> 1:16:58.000 of whatever ozempic whatever they call those g one p's 1:16:58.040 --> 1:17:00.280 or whatever the fuck it's called. Like anybody who's feeds 1:17:00.280 --> 1:17:03.800 into that, you're still feeding into this culture of self hate. 1:17:03.800 --> 1:17:05.680 And so I openly wanted to say this week, for 1:17:05.800 --> 1:17:07.960 my no man Pam, I wanted to say fuck you 1:17:08.080 --> 1:17:11.280 to the people who are applauding Lizzo's weight loss, because 1:17:11.360 --> 1:17:13.639 I feel like you are the reason why fat people 1:17:13.720 --> 1:17:16.680 can never get any rest or be happy. Y'all are 1:17:16.720 --> 1:17:18.800 the ones who make it impossible to just be in 1:17:18.880 --> 1:17:20.960 regardless of how you feel about it. Right, There's some 1:17:21.040 --> 1:17:23.080 people who've been like, oh, what Lizzo is doing is 1:17:23.120 --> 1:17:26.040 her body. Okay, that's fine, But there are people who 1:17:26.160 --> 1:17:30.120 are entertaining that there are people who made Lizzo feel 1:17:30.200 --> 1:17:32.680 like regardless of if she's on Ozimpic or not, there 1:17:32.720 --> 1:17:35.720 are people in her circle, There were people in her life, 1:17:35.760 --> 1:17:40.040 there were people online who made Lizzo and other fat 1:17:40.120 --> 1:17:44.400 people feel like they had to do something extensive right, 1:17:44.479 --> 1:17:47.040 whether it be stopped eating, whether it be ge get 1:17:47.080 --> 1:17:50.559 the like. Literally, Lizzo could not just be Lizzo right. 1:17:50.680 --> 1:17:54.240 It was something in her circle pressured her to lose weight. 1:17:54.520 --> 1:17:56.920 And I want folks to really sit with that, because 1:17:57.320 --> 1:17:59.600 whether you know it or not, you are making it 1:17:59.680 --> 1:18:03.920 imp possible to just be regardless of how you talk 1:18:03.960 --> 1:18:06.600 about it. And so I'll just say this as a 1:18:06.720 --> 1:18:10.400 fat person who is extremely frustrated in this moment with 1:18:10.720 --> 1:18:12.640 the way the world is moving, with the ways that 1:18:12.680 --> 1:18:14.960 we're talking about fatness, the ways that we're talking about 1:18:15.000 --> 1:18:17.760 people's body. You are the reason why so many fat 1:18:17.800 --> 1:18:21.040 people have issues with their bodies. And whether you want 1:18:21.080 --> 1:18:23.720 to acknowledge that or not, right, whether you want to 1:18:23.760 --> 1:18:25.040 lean into that or you want to say, John, I 1:18:25.080 --> 1:18:27.000 want to push back, you can push back. This is 1:18:27.000 --> 1:18:28.840 actually a time I invite you to jump into my 1:18:28.880 --> 1:18:32.040 inbox and we can have that conversation because I think 1:18:32.120 --> 1:18:33.800 there are a lot of us who are sitting around 1:18:33.880 --> 1:18:35.400 and are like, oh, we could do whatever we want 1:18:35.439 --> 1:18:38.479 with our bodies, but you are still pushing people to 1:18:38.640 --> 1:18:41.439 lose weight, and I think that's fucked up. So I 1:18:41.600 --> 1:18:44.240 just wanted to say that on record. Joho, what do 1:18:44.280 --> 1:18:44.880 you got this week? 1:18:46.360 --> 1:18:50.160 I'm gonna keep mind sweet and simple and political. Yes, 1:18:50.320 --> 1:18:52.839 ma'am to reversion of Jodz and Crockett. 1:18:53.800 --> 1:18:54.800 Yeah. I just love her. 1:18:54.920 --> 1:18:57.720 Fuck off, I love it, fuck off and either she 1:18:57.880 --> 1:19:00.519 called she called that man in office. She called him 1:19:00.520 --> 1:19:05.120 Putin's hoe. She said, miss. 1:19:06.280 --> 1:19:12.200 Allegedly posted of Congress. She has said I would someone. 1:19:12.280 --> 1:19:14.559 Someone asked, what would she say to him? Is your opportunity? 1:19:14.560 --> 1:19:16.680 She said, I would tell the girls spine and stop 1:19:16.800 --> 1:19:19.600 being Putin's hoe. And I I pray it's true. I 1:19:19.680 --> 1:19:22.880 pray it's true because I actually live. I just live. 1:19:22.960 --> 1:19:26.600 She makes her heavy. But no, man, Pam is to 1:19:28.000 --> 1:19:29.320 I can't say that anymore. 1:19:29.640 --> 1:19:33.439 Just get just Governor Gavin Newsom because I used to 1:19:33.479 --> 1:19:35.520 be that new some train, but say I'm not. Unfortunately, 1:19:35.680 --> 1:19:42.240 I fear because why are you? 1:19:42.840 --> 1:19:45.080 How are you gonna launch your first podcast? How you 1:19:45.320 --> 1:19:47.280 launch your podcast? Your first episode? 1:19:47.280 --> 1:19:49.800 And you come out talking about yep, you that you 1:19:50.040 --> 1:19:52.120 that you think transphot do you think trans folks playing, 1:19:52.760 --> 1:19:56.280 particularly trans women playing in female sports is unfair? Like 1:19:56.640 --> 1:20:00.560 I want to just one underline, like the attack of 1:20:00.600 --> 1:20:03.280 trans women is constantly, constantly baffles me. 1:20:04.600 --> 1:20:08.360 You were literally, sir, you were literally mayor. 1:20:08.760 --> 1:20:10.160 Let me just make sure this is correct, because if 1:20:10.160 --> 1:20:12.800 I believe this is true, if I know my Bay 1:20:12.840 --> 1:20:19.040 Area history, fucking mayor of San Fraan fucking Cisco, you were, 1:20:19.240 --> 1:20:23.439 and you were there for several terms and then you 1:20:23.520 --> 1:20:27.880 became you made your career on the box of trans people, 1:20:28.320 --> 1:20:31.160 your career on the backs of queer people like that, Like. 1:20:32.920 --> 1:20:34.360 Who even cares about sports? 1:20:35.200 --> 1:20:36.000 I'm saying. 1:20:38.479 --> 1:20:40.679 About sports like girls? 1:20:40.800 --> 1:20:43.080 Just like what just no man him? 1:20:44.080 --> 1:20:46.800 But you know what, why if there's one thing white 1:20:46.840 --> 1:20:49.800 men are gonna do, they're gonna be white men. I 1:20:49.960 --> 1:20:50.600 just want to put that. 1:20:50.720 --> 1:20:53.759 Unfortunately, I thought you were gonna say they're gonna love sports. 1:20:54.439 --> 1:20:58.120 No as also also that, But I'm just saying, like 1:20:58.560 --> 1:21:02.479 I always always wait, like I there, I have a 1:21:02.560 --> 1:21:06.240 lot of my best friend is white. I love white 1:21:06.560 --> 1:21:09.640 like white men. I just I please prove, like, just 1:21:09.800 --> 1:21:12.840 prove me different. That's all I want. That's all I want, 1:21:13.160 --> 1:21:14.360 you know, because I know a lot of white men 1:21:14.360 --> 1:21:16.680 who listen to this podcast, and I'm like, please just 1:21:17.479 --> 1:21:18.880 just just prove us wrong. 1:21:19.160 --> 1:21:22.439 Just please please anyway, that's all I want. That's mine. 1:21:22.680 --> 1:21:25.800 F you Newsome, I mean, please, don't suck up our 1:21:25.840 --> 1:21:27.400 state for a lot of reasons, but know that you're 1:21:27.439 --> 1:21:28.320 my shipless with this one. 1:21:28.960 --> 1:21:31.360 Shipless. Yeah, Marcia, how about you love? 1:21:32.000 --> 1:21:37.439 Okay, My I'm gonna do my no first. So my no, 1:21:37.600 --> 1:21:40.960 man Pam is Nillo wafers. Like unless you are under 1:21:41.600 --> 1:21:45.400 ten layers of banana pudding and whip topping, you don't 1:21:45.439 --> 1:21:49.040 belong here and you're gross and nobody wants you. And 1:21:49.240 --> 1:21:52.360 when they include Nillo wafers in the like mixed snack 1:21:52.479 --> 1:21:55.960 pack of cookies, I've been working with children lately and 1:21:56.040 --> 1:21:58.200 I'm telling you, no one wants them. No one wants them. 1:21:58.240 --> 1:22:02.439 It's a waste of money. And all the Nilla way 1:22:02.520 --> 1:22:03.800 for bags are left. Now. 1:22:04.800 --> 1:22:08.679 You don't like Fredos, like the like the corn FreeDOS, 1:22:08.880 --> 1:22:12.200 like delicious, nobody but nobody wants them. 1:22:12.400 --> 1:22:12.640 I do. 1:22:12.960 --> 1:22:13.280 I want? 1:22:15.640 --> 1:22:17.799 Let's not get onto chips. That's a whole other. 1:22:20.520 --> 1:22:20.560 My. 1:22:20.960 --> 1:22:24.880 Uh yes, ma'am Oh, yes, ma'am is, I'm so proud 1:22:24.920 --> 1:22:28.240 to be on this podcast today that has black fat 1:22:28.360 --> 1:22:32.120 femme as the title fat needs to be discussed more. 1:22:32.240 --> 1:22:34.800 We need to continue to take it back everything that 1:22:34.880 --> 1:22:37.560 we do. I speak for myself, but it seems like 1:22:37.600 --> 1:22:40.000 what y'all are up to, especially having the word fat 1:22:40.040 --> 1:22:42.280 and the title of your podcast, is about fat liberation 1:22:42.680 --> 1:22:45.040 and removing the stigma and what it means. So ozempic 1:22:45.120 --> 1:22:48.000 or no zempic, Lizzo fat, Liza thin, whatever it is, 1:22:48.479 --> 1:22:51.360 it's that we can continue to hope and fight for 1:22:51.479 --> 1:22:55.839 a future where the stigma of being fat no longer exists. 1:22:55.840 --> 1:22:57.240 It can just be a descriptor, it can be a 1:22:57.280 --> 1:22:58.960 part of your genetics, it can be a part of 1:22:59.000 --> 1:23:01.000 your body and who you are art and it doesn't 1:23:01.080 --> 1:23:06.040 have to weigh so heavily on people as a constant 1:23:06.120 --> 1:23:08.679 sort of source of whether it's stress or things something 1:23:08.760 --> 1:23:12.280 they want to change, or something that is wrong with them. 1:23:12.880 --> 1:23:15.640 So I'm just proud to be a fat liberationist and 1:23:15.880 --> 1:23:20.120 to continue to fight in this activism, in this in 1:23:20.200 --> 1:23:23.280 this sector of activism because for me, I've never really 1:23:23.360 --> 1:23:26.320 been As I get older, I understand the importance of 1:23:26.400 --> 1:23:29.559 politics and the importance of activism, and as this being 1:23:29.640 --> 1:23:33.840 my platform the fat activism. Every single day, I see 1:23:34.520 --> 1:23:37.360 the plus bus as my act of fat liberation and 1:23:37.479 --> 1:23:40.880 being open, you know, paying the rent there. It is 1:23:41.520 --> 1:23:45.800 an act of radical activism to be on a major 1:23:45.880 --> 1:23:49.840 retail street and say fat Fat fashion for all to see, 1:23:49.960 --> 1:23:52.120 and everyone that walks by does comment on the title 1:23:52.439 --> 1:23:54.479 and comment on the word fat and on our little 1:23:54.600 --> 1:23:57.120 sign that says the rules of being in a body 1:23:57.160 --> 1:24:00.479 positive space. And so I just make you really proud, 1:24:00.520 --> 1:24:03.639 and I'm proud to be here in this conversation with y'all. 1:24:03.680 --> 1:24:07.719 I think these conversations are needed, talking about ozempic, talking 1:24:07.760 --> 1:24:11.400 about taboo, talking about how painful it is to see 1:24:11.439 --> 1:24:14.200 Lizza's weight loss, and also that I you know, if 1:24:14.240 --> 1:24:17.240 she's happier or it's been good for her and John, 1:24:17.280 --> 1:24:19.400 as you said, it's somebody on her team, but I 1:24:19.479 --> 1:24:21.800 don't know, it's somebody somewhere, you know what I mean. 1:24:21.840 --> 1:24:25.360 It's like she's also I don't know, or maybe she 1:24:25.720 --> 1:24:28.360 just I don't know. I don't know that I agree 1:24:28.360 --> 1:24:30.840 with that, but we all know the voices that are 1:24:30.880 --> 1:24:33.680 in our heads and the voices that are in our society, 1:24:34.920 --> 1:24:37.280 and so I'm just I'm really happy that somewhere like 1:24:37.360 --> 1:24:40.360 this exists to have these conversations. And when Tisha Campbell 1:24:40.400 --> 1:24:42.400 comes on invite. 1:24:42.040 --> 1:24:48.360 Me back, it will be a with a co host state, just. 1:24:48.479 --> 1:24:50.720 Like you know, just like Kimmie on The Keys, I 1:24:50.760 --> 1:24:55.160 could like, yeah, definitely. Gavin Newsom was the governor of 1:24:55.200 --> 1:24:56.360 San Francisco nineteen. 1:24:59.400 --> 1:25:03.599 What the fun? Where do we even live anymore? My god? Anyway, 1:25:04.720 --> 1:25:06.680 with that being said, I know y'all gonna have a 1:25:06.760 --> 1:25:09.160 lot of thoughts this episode, so go ahead and send 1:25:09.160 --> 1:25:12.280 them on our way. Chah. Send your thoughts, your feedback, 1:25:12.320 --> 1:25:14.680 your email to Blackfeffnpot at gmail dot com. You can 1:25:14.720 --> 1:25:16.880 also send us your thoughts for your social media, we 1:25:17.000 --> 1:25:19.960 definitely check them Instagram, Blue Sky as well as the 1:25:20.040 --> 1:25:23.080 Tick of the Talks. Honey, we be over there posting 1:25:23.160 --> 1:25:25.519 things and you know, trying to comment and all of 1:25:25.560 --> 1:25:27.400 the other stuff. But anyway, all that to be said, 1:25:27.880 --> 1:25:30.439 we know we can find you at the plus Bus, Marsie, 1:25:30.479 --> 1:25:32.320 but where else would you like to be found? 1:25:32.520 --> 1:25:35.800 Instagram is the plus bus boutique, the TikTok is plus 1:25:36.000 --> 1:25:38.720 the Plus Bus. I'm the Marciminute and have been for 1:25:38.880 --> 1:25:42.599 many years online plus bus dot com, the plus bus 1:25:42.680 --> 1:25:43.000 dot com. 1:25:43.200 --> 1:25:45.679 Thanks you guys, I love that so much. Queen joh, 1:25:45.760 --> 1:25:46.680 where can the dots find you? 1:25:46.960 --> 1:25:49.320 As usual, loves, You'll find me at Jojo Jails across 1:25:49.479 --> 1:25:51.880 all the socials my mobsite jr jails dot com, or 1:25:51.960 --> 1:25:54.559 if not, you will find me in person March twenty 1:25:54.600 --> 1:25:57.599 fifth at the plus bus Boutique. I'll bring my girl 1:25:57.680 --> 1:26:00.160 John and seeing my girl marciam person here, some big 1:26:00.200 --> 1:26:03.680 old hugs, some good little schnatchy snacks and seeing and 1:26:03.800 --> 1:26:06.720 seeing the tzar herself say the house down boots with 1:26:06.880 --> 1:26:07.320 her book. 1:26:08.080 --> 1:26:12.160 Yes, my god, I can't offer yes bitch yes. Well, 1:26:12.280 --> 1:26:15.080 with that being said, say yes please come through March 1:26:15.160 --> 1:26:17.600 twenty fifth. It is a free event. That is one 1:26:17.640 --> 1:26:19.720 of the questions I've been getting from people. People, is 1:26:19.760 --> 1:26:22.160 it it is free? You can go ahead, head over 1:26:22.240 --> 1:26:25.479 to the plus bus boutique website. You can go ahead 1:26:25.479 --> 1:26:27.200 and sign up, go ahead and come on through. I 1:26:27.280 --> 1:26:29.840 will say this that if you're one of those people 1:26:29.880 --> 1:26:33.840 who wait to the very last minute to get their stuff, 1:26:33.960 --> 1:26:36.280 I cannot guarantee you that there will be a spot 1:26:36.400 --> 1:26:38.320 for you. So this might be the time if you 1:26:39.680 --> 1:26:45.160 can spend time browsing TikTok, Instagram, audio, go get yourself 1:26:45.280 --> 1:26:47.400 a ticket, because I'm gonna tell you right now, once 1:26:47.479 --> 1:26:49.960 they're gone, they are gone and I will not be 1:26:50.040 --> 1:26:53.680 able to help you. Outside of that, you can go 1:26:53.800 --> 1:26:56.360 pre order my book. It is everywhere you find your 1:26:56.400 --> 1:26:58.559 favorite books. I'm not telling people where to get their 1:26:58.600 --> 1:27:01.920 books because everybody again a politic. But as for me 1:27:02.120 --> 1:27:04.760 and my household, you can find me in someone's room 1:27:04.880 --> 1:27:08.320 full of hey talking to rumpel Stiltskin about how I 1:27:08.400 --> 1:27:12.559 can make my book a best seller in the meantime. Please, 1:27:12.720 --> 1:27:16.880 in between time, make sure you support I cannot say 1:27:16.920 --> 1:27:20.479 this enough with the pre launch. Please, it's not even 1:27:20.600 --> 1:27:24.240 just me, other black and queer writers. Please support them 1:27:24.360 --> 1:27:26.840 because we are at a time now where things are 1:27:26.840 --> 1:27:29.599 getting banned and publishers are looking for any and every 1:27:29.640 --> 1:27:32.200 reason to not give us a second book deal. So 1:27:32.320 --> 1:27:34.840 it is very very important that you support not only 1:27:34.960 --> 1:27:39.040 just me, but other black, brown, bipoc whatever however you 1:27:39.160 --> 1:27:41.840 see in the diasporus, please support them. All that to 1:27:41.920 --> 1:27:43.840 be said, we want to thank our producer Bei Wang 1:27:44.240 --> 1:27:47.439 for handling all of the logistics and getting amazing people 1:27:47.560 --> 1:27:49.519 like Marcy on the show. Thank you Bay for helping 1:27:49.600 --> 1:27:51.360 us with that. But we also want to shout out 1:27:51.360 --> 1:27:53.960 everyone over at iHeartMedia for keeping the show up and running. 1:27:54.400 --> 1:27:57.120 It has been and continues to be a blast. We 1:27:57.240 --> 1:27:59.679 also want to shout out our wonderful editor Chris Rodgers 1:27:59.720 --> 1:28:03.600 because without him, we wouldn't have show or visuals. You 1:28:03.800 --> 1:28:07.280 can go down to the tubes of you and watch 1:28:07.520 --> 1:28:11.280 this episode. Yes it is free. This has been another show. 1:28:11.640 --> 1:28:15.000 Stay black, fat, femine, fabulous, and remember what joho. 1:28:15.680 --> 1:28:17.000 We may not be your cup of tea. 1:28:17.600 --> 1:28:22.440 It's okay girl, but begains Massitch okay. 1:28:22.800 --> 1:28:26.920 But beat us mass Agua. Come a lifelong love us 1:28:27.040 --> 1:28:28.479 for real bite