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Speaker 1: and Doctor John Paul LLC. Hey everyone, welcome to another
Speaker 1: episode of the Blackfiftem Podcast where all the intersections of
Speaker 1: identity are celebrated. I am one of your hosts, Johnson
Speaker 1: on as Doctor John Paul, and I am still on
Speaker 1: the search for the perfect honeybun. Yes, so I don't
Speaker 1: know what it is, but you know one was sweat.
Speaker 1: I am prego with how bad I want one. I
Speaker 1: have just been wanting a honey bun just so deep
Speaker 1: in my soul and I got a really good one
Speaker 1: when I was in Vegas and I have yet to
Speaker 1: get another one. So listeners, I would love to know
Speaker 1: what is your favorite honey bun. And I'm not talking
Speaker 1: about no oh it's a cinnamon No, that's not what
Speaker 1: I asked for. I didn't ask for cinnamon roll. I
Speaker 1: didn't ask for nothing bread and I ask for a
Speaker 1: honey bun. Yes, honey, I wanted to sweat out the package.
Speaker 1: That is what I want when you know you open
Speaker 1: a honey bun and a little sweat because of the shit, right,
Speaker 1: that's the glucoas the diabetes. That's what I need So anybody,
Speaker 1: if you know of a place that doctor John Bock
Speaker 1: can get a good honey bun in the LA area,
Speaker 1: please please send us a good message. But anyway other
Speaker 1: than that, how are you, Queen Joel? How you doing?
Speaker 1: My girl?
Speaker 2: That was just a sweet introduction that was not me
Speaker 2: hungry for some honey bothers myself. Fam, it's your girl,
Speaker 2: Joho Jordan, if you financing me and we can talk
Speaker 2: about it. I'm here to tell you that the state
Speaker 2: of our union, if you can call it, that is
Speaker 2: in shambles. If you didn't watch that Manager's Congress last week,
Speaker 2: you were better for it.
Speaker 3: People are honest.
Speaker 2: I watch because I want to feel informed of what
Speaker 2: is being said and how.
Speaker 3: And it was, girl, it was not good. There was
Speaker 3: a moment where I was.
Speaker 2: Like, we're absolutely not We are living back in the
Speaker 2: nineteen sixties just with Wi Fi.
Speaker 3: Like we're just with Wi Fi. That's all I'm getting
Speaker 3: from this And I I hate it. I hate it.
Speaker 3: But truly that isn't here nor there. What is here today?
Speaker 3: Thank God for this is.
Speaker 2: Our incredible special guest, someone whom I've known for almost
Speaker 2: a decade. Have you watched their business grow in incredible
Speaker 2: ways serving the fat communities with the best, best fashions
Speaker 2: and host the experiences that connect us with community. What's
Speaker 2: one of our favorite current and former former unfortunately fat icon.
Speaker 3: It's a small plug.
Speaker 2: They'll be hosting John's first stop on the book tour
Speaker 2: March twenty fifth. Please you're welcoming our dear friend and
Speaker 2: owner of Los Angeles' plus bus.
Speaker 3: Boutique, Marci Givar preach. How are you, my dear friend?
Speaker 4: Hello? Hello, Okay, y'all, I'm already having the best time.
Speaker 1: It is a key around here. It really is so
Speaker 1: happy you're here.
Speaker 4: I want a honeybun. I want to move to Canada.
Speaker 1: It's all the things, all of the things, you know.
Speaker 1: James Baldwin once said that two troops can't exist at
Speaker 1: the same time, and those are both two truths. You know.
Speaker 1: We've been trying to plan a stop in Canada, and
Speaker 1: I've been thinking to myself, I wonder how much my
Speaker 1: life would be different if I just settled there.
Speaker 3: I'm not coming back.
Speaker 1: I'm going there. That'll be the last book tour stop
Speaker 1: that I'm stopping there for.
Speaker 3: Like where John go then come back?
Speaker 1: Gone?
Speaker 3: Are they okay?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yes, because Jean, you do love to bait, don't you,
Speaker 2: So you could you know, mother can't get in there,
Speaker 2: and she can't cook your owney.
Speaker 3: Just give my se worlties.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna open up a honey bun stop. That's a
Speaker 1: really good idea anytime.
Speaker 4: I like go to Italy and travel. You know, you're
Speaker 4: just like, I can open a coffee shop and and
Speaker 4: live here and just do this, and I don't know,
Speaker 4: it's just so funny. So we're all feeling it. We're
Speaker 4: all feeling it, and I just want to acknowledge how
Speaker 4: hurtful the things that are being said, and how much
Speaker 4: danger are you know, the community is in, especially the
Speaker 4: trans community, and so yeah, it's a really it's a
Speaker 4: really rough time to be an American. I'm a you know,
Speaker 4: granddaughter of immigrants, daughter of an immigrant, and it hurts,
Speaker 4: you know, my grandparents is still love this country so
Speaker 4: much and had so much patriotism, and it's just really
Speaker 4: it's really we're in a hard time. We can only
Speaker 4: hope that this next three years just really flies by.
Speaker 4: But yeah, it's a really really difficult time for a
Speaker 4: country girl.
Speaker 1: Yes, my god, I really wish I could just wake
Speaker 1: up and it be twenty twenty. Let's just give all
Speaker 1: three years. But anyway, with that being said, we are
Speaker 1: excited to have you here, Marci and I know we're
Speaker 1: going to have a really good time together. And so
Speaker 1: as we as we do around here, we love to
Speaker 1: celebrate all things fat fashion. So to kick off our
Speaker 1: show this week, Mike, we always do honoring our dear
Speaker 1: t Sha Campbell, who we are still in the works
Speaker 1: of try secure as a guest on the show. I
Speaker 1: have had It is so funny. I've had people jump
Speaker 1: in my dms and be like, Okay, so have we
Speaker 1: gotten t Sha locked in yet? And I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: we have not, but we're hoping and we're praying, and
Speaker 1: we're still here's what happens, you know what. From your
Speaker 1: lips to Beyonce's ears, I am definitely yes. We are
Speaker 1: throwing it up to the god above. So that to
Speaker 1: be said, I wanted to kick off this show by
Speaker 1: asking what are some of your favorite fat fashion moments
Speaker 1: that have happened in the last couple of months. I
Speaker 1: will start, Marcia, throw it to you, and then Joho
Speaker 1: will go ahead and go to you. I will say
Speaker 1: very openly and Honestly, it has been such a key
Speaker 1: to see Danielle Pinnock, who also I also want to say, like,
Speaker 1: I know, I have her phone number and I could
Speaker 1: text her anytime and be like, girl, come on the show.
Speaker 1: But she's she is booked and busy girl. But just
Speaker 1: seeing her like literally come up in like just her
Speaker 1: style game and the way that she just she moves
Speaker 1: about the industry, right, It's it's been really cool to
Speaker 1: watch her not and and we'll talk more about this later,
Speaker 1: but it has been really cool to not see her
Speaker 1: succumb to the pressure that the industry puts on fat
Speaker 1: bodies and her celebrate her body and not only just
Speaker 1: her clothes, but her comedy and the way that people
Speaker 1: around hers support themselves, like support her and all the
Speaker 1: things that she's been doing. It's been just it's been
Speaker 1: really beautiful to watch. And so I definitely want to
Speaker 1: shout out my girl. You know, she's she's a parasocial
Speaker 1: friend of mine, but I definitely go up for her.
Speaker 1: And then the same thing Nina Parker. So I will
Speaker 1: say this, Nina Parker her clothes at Macy's. If you
Speaker 1: are a big girl, please jump into the Nina Parker line.
Speaker 1: Obviously go to the plus bus right.
Speaker 4: If you have the time, and we always have Nina
Speaker 4: Parker right.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm like, if you are a girl who's
Speaker 1: like I need something that doesn't it's not floral because
Speaker 1: because I will say, there's this habit of like fat
Speaker 1: people close they tend to put flowers on everything, and
Speaker 1: it's like, bitch, I didn't ask for this big ass
Speaker 1: bloom flower in the back of my sho Nobody wants that.
Speaker 1: So it's nice that you know Nina she like she
Speaker 1: tends to flip her styles a lot, Like I have
Speaker 1: something from her last collection, and I have a few
Speaker 1: things from this this latest collection, and it's just I'll
Speaker 1: wear it out and people be like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: where did you get that from? Like girl's Nina Parker. Like,
Speaker 1: it's been really cool to own stuff from her line,
Speaker 1: And so I will say this and then I'll pass
Speaker 1: it to you. Marcy. I have had to have. The
Speaker 1: thing about her fashion is I do have to have
Speaker 1: it tailored. And I think it's because it's just something
Speaker 1: about my body, not because I can slide into eloquot
Speaker 1: your body.
Speaker 4: It's just that doesn't fit you perfectly.
Speaker 1: Okay, so ELOQUI fits me perfect perfect. I can out
Speaker 1: the out the bag, I can wear eloquy. But Nina's
Speaker 1: for some reason her clothes, well, I'll have to have
Speaker 1: it tailored just just a bit. But other than that,
Speaker 1: it's still like fabulous. It gives, it gives what it
Speaker 1: needs to give every single time. And so I really
Speaker 1: appreciate that. She really makes the cheap feel expensive and
Speaker 1: I'd love that for me.
Speaker 4: And it's not that cheap job.
Speaker 1: I was like, che.
Speaker 4: I was gonna say, it's not that cheap okay money bags.
Speaker 1: Like I said, she makes the cheap. I am a
Speaker 1: cheap girl.
Speaker 3: It's not like, it's not it's not.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
Speaker 4: Well, I used to be a Macy's girl. Like I
Speaker 4: was Macy's through and through. I really shop exclusively now
Speaker 4: at the Plus Bus because I own it, and I
Speaker 4: just didn't grow up shopping second hand, and so in
Speaker 4: the first few years it was really hard for me
Speaker 4: to like embrace the second hand of it all. I
Speaker 4: think I grew up thinking like thrift stores or resale
Speaker 4: stores were smelly or it was weirder, the clothes had
Speaker 4: bad Jude jew and I think there still are some
Speaker 4: people that feel that way. No shade, but you know,
Speaker 4: Nina has been around forever in the plus size world.
Speaker 4: She's definitely been on my radar. When she was in TMZ,
Speaker 4: I did a cover of Scorched magazine back in the day.
Speaker 4: It was a plus sized magazine and we had her
Speaker 4: as our cover girl. So I love Nina and I
Speaker 4: feel like she is like holding it down for Macy's
Speaker 4: because other than like your typical you know, like all
Speaker 4: Fawnny or Michael Kore's or I don't know of any
Speaker 4: new brands that have really flourished the way she has.
Speaker 4: And so I am really happy for her on the
Speaker 4: success of the line. And you know, we used to
Speaker 4: have Melissa McCarthy from Macy's and that went away, and
Speaker 4: so many of these great brands, I mean, Macy's kind
Speaker 4: of was always carrying the Ralph Lauren, like all of
Speaker 4: these contemporary brands lucky and a lot of them have
Speaker 4: really gone away. Or it's just the choices are so
Speaker 4: slim and it's sad. So I know, punintended, but I
Speaker 4: love Nina's things. I agree, you know, Tayloring is just
Speaker 4: a part of life that we need to be embracing more,
Speaker 4: especially as plus sized people. When you see someone that
Speaker 4: looks really fabulous, they likely had something tailored. It's very
Speaker 4: rare or even the thinnest person to just like walk
Speaker 4: into a store and everything fits them perfectly, right, Like,
Speaker 4: our proportions are all different. So one of the things
Speaker 4: that the Plus List we do is really try to
Speaker 4: normalize tailoring. Because I will have the world's shortest girl
Speaker 4: looks so amazing in address and be like, well it's
Speaker 4: too long, and it's like, uh no, bring the ham up. Yeah,
Speaker 4: you need to embrace hams from now moving forward. Because
Speaker 4: you're five to two, you know you're gonna need to
Speaker 4: have every time in a plus sized garment. So I
Speaker 4: love that you're tailoring things. And I always like to
Speaker 4: make it about the garment not the body. Right, So
Speaker 4: Nina Parker's line fits you a little big, and you're
Speaker 4: used to maybe fitting in a certain size and Eloquy
Speaker 4: and that works for you, but sometimes for me, I
Speaker 4: feel like Eloquy runs a really small. So you know,
Speaker 4: it's just all the lines they're so different. I just
Speaker 4: two things I need to ask. You're honoring Tisha Campbell
Speaker 4: on every episode?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, because I just want to.
Speaker 4: Make sure I love Martin is my childhood.
Speaker 1: Okay, Like she has a song called Steal here, and
Speaker 1: so that is the title of our second with.
Speaker 3: A cultural moment because she's.
Speaker 4: I'm here for it. It was only one question, actually,
Speaker 4: I just was like, did I hear that? Correctly?
Speaker 3: Everyone? Every and how she comes here?
Speaker 4: She's coming?
Speaker 1: Yeah, like what else?
Speaker 4: Not to be rude, but like, yeah, she's coming. Okay. So,
Speaker 4: Danielle Pinnock, I mean, you're cast on a show as
Speaker 4: a fat ghost. So the one thing that we can
Speaker 4: count on, at least while she's on this show, is
Speaker 4: that she's gonna stay fat, right like that? Thank you God,
Speaker 4: because it is rough to lose these icons, you know,
Speaker 4: as you were, you know, mentioning in your opening like
Speaker 4: these former fat icons. I love how much Danielle is
Speaker 4: investing in her looks and whether it's tailoring or hiring
Speaker 4: the celebrity stylist that she has Serena Akers, who dresses
Speaker 4: Beyonce and I'm sure it has Beyonce rates, maybe not
Speaker 4: for Danielle. Hopefully she's giving her you know, no, she's
Speaker 4: not Beyonce rate. Okay, but that is something that has
Speaker 4: been rare to see over the years in my experience
Speaker 4: both dressing or consulting plus size clients. So celebrities, you
Speaker 4: really have to invest in your look. And I'm so
Speaker 4: tired of hearing these designers didn't want to dress me,
Speaker 4: that designer didn't want to address me. What I feel
Speaker 4: like people don't talk about is that it is also
Speaker 4: an investment on your part. So what you're watching Danielle
Speaker 4: do is invest in her red carpet persona and invest
Speaker 4: in those looks, and that's giving Serena the opportunity to
Speaker 4: find her those pieces, or find her those designers that
Speaker 4: are willing to work with two, three, five, ten grand,
Speaker 4: whatever their budget might be, versus people that are trying
Speaker 4: to just like dress it off the runway or however
Speaker 4: Christian Siriano does it. You know, I don't know how
Speaker 4: he's sort of charging people. It depends, right, But there
Speaker 4: is labor, there is product being produced, and then you
Speaker 4: know there is an output. But just because someone's wearing
Speaker 4: Christian Ciriano on the red carpet doesn't mean you and
Speaker 4: I can go buy that dress online, right, So it's
Speaker 4: a marketplace, and I think Danielle is an amazing example
Speaker 4: of someone who's really investing in herself.
Speaker 1: You literally to class. I'm going to school to bitches today.
Speaker 4: She is the perfect example of someone that wants to
Speaker 4: be an A list celebrity, wants to look like one
Speaker 4: is winning awards, and she looks.
Speaker 1: Like how she should. She looks amazing, amazing, and I think.
Speaker 4: Every penny is showing up on the on screen on
Speaker 4: the camera. I'm so happy for all of her success.
Speaker 4: I mean, she held it down during the pandemic for
Speaker 4: us with all of her skits, and just to see
Speaker 4: her career flourish to this degree is like, it's so exciting,
Speaker 4: it's so inspiring, and you know, I have one more
Speaker 4: person in mind, but like it's a rough time for
Speaker 4: our fat icons, you know, or lack thereof, and you know,
Speaker 4: I mean even Lizzo at her thinnest, I feel like
Speaker 4: it's probably when she was like twenty, was like a
Speaker 4: size twelve fourteen. So I don't know how far she
Speaker 4: can go. I don't know the lengths of like the
Speaker 4: depths of ozempic, like how good it really is. But
Speaker 4: you know, I think Divine Joy Randolph is really serving.
Speaker 4: I think she looked amazing at the Oscars say that
Speaker 4: again she I mean, I think it was Siriano, but
Speaker 4: really she's gorgeous. She's looking elegant old Hollywood, and she's
Speaker 4: really giving us that star power we need and deserve
Speaker 4: to see on the red carpet because it's rough, divine
Speaker 4: joy random.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, okay. Last year she was also mine. Oh yes, okay,
Speaker 2: I was make sure that right, Davine.
Speaker 3: I was hard. I was like, who's devine? Diva? Divine?
Speaker 1: Okay, I live.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she is a stunning I think I definitely she's
Speaker 2: exactly who I was seeking as well too, for for
Speaker 2: mine was as like a fashion icon because I think
Speaker 2: she also point is investing herself and her recordd looks.
Speaker 3: And I also love that she's giving old hub a
Speaker 3: glamour because that just.
Speaker 2: Isn't like there isn't apparently there isn't so obvious one
Speaker 2: for plus spokespos for black folks, and like, I love
Speaker 2: that she's doing that as a black pots woman.
Speaker 3: So I love, love love that. I also really love
Speaker 3: I really love Samara just she's me.
Speaker 2: She's iconic in general being like the way she has
Speaker 2: calling out so many plus sized brands, you know, the
Speaker 2: way she is had her fight with Fever twenty one, Like,
Speaker 2: I really find it very very and you know, in
Speaker 2: some cases, like you know, you know, Marcy, you're in
Speaker 2: the business, so I'm sure you may have you may
Speaker 2: have a different like a different like perspective of seeing it,
Speaker 2: but a certain who just who really just consumes right now,
Speaker 2: I really appreciate seeing her, and you know, I I
Speaker 2: and I love I love that. I love that her
Speaker 2: her table line has been like it like like if
Speaker 2: it fits you, it's for you regardless, and I think
Speaker 2: that's really great as well too. I also think a
Speaker 2: lot about I'm excited for Survival of the Thickest to
Speaker 2: be back at the end of this month because I
Speaker 2: think it's one of the only shows really that emphasizes
Speaker 2: the importance of like of pluss folks, like having access
Speaker 2: to fashion.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I it's not it's not always like all plus us people,
Speaker 2: you know. I think there's a twent demographic that that
Speaker 2: it serving for that purpose. But I still love love it.
Speaker 4: I love Liza Traeger the Best Friend. I think she's
Speaker 4: so funny. I've known Michelle Buchou for a million years.
Speaker 4: I love that that show exists. I love that it's
Speaker 4: like something out there in the marketplace for us. I
Speaker 4: I don't know if it's like a bit that Michelle's
Speaker 4: wardrobe isn't great, Like is it that she's a stylist
Speaker 4: like those who teach can't you know what I mean?
Speaker 4: Or is it like the Costumer and Netflix aren't. I
Speaker 4: don't know, but I'm a little confused about it. Michelle, girl,
Speaker 4: let's catch up. But that like at the end of
Speaker 4: the season one, she's like wearing a sulkie and it
Speaker 4: was like, oh, okay, so she does.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 4: So I'm a little confused with the wardrobe on the show,
Speaker 4: but I do love it. I think Liza's a standout
Speaker 4: and she actually has a bit that went viral about
Speaker 4: like her favorite store being called the plus Bus, and
Speaker 4: you know, people are so funny. I love Samaira. I
Speaker 4: love what Samirah's doing. She knows how to get views,
Speaker 4: she knows how to get likes. I would love for
Speaker 4: her to focus at times on the brands that are
Speaker 4: doing it and on the stores that do exist, because
Speaker 4: we need the love too, and those brands out there
Speaker 4: that are struggling, that are making plus sizes, that are
Speaker 4: dedicated to plus size, like they can use some of
Speaker 4: that spotlight shined on them. But obviously, yes, I mean
Speaker 4: I have many a time been to the Century City
Speaker 4: mall and it's like, I can't pay them to take
Speaker 4: my money, so I guess I'll just buy a forty
Speaker 4: dollars soap and call it a day. You know, It's
Speaker 4: like I no, but you know, obviously all of these
Speaker 4: girls they are I'm so proud of them. I'm so
Speaker 4: proud to know that, like John, like you should absolutely
Speaker 4: text Danielle and ask her to be on the pod.
Speaker 4: It's the fact that we we're such a small community,
Speaker 4: We're such a small group, and I think that there
Speaker 4: is room for all of us, and there's room for
Speaker 4: all of us to celebrate one another and lift each
Speaker 4: other up. And we're not perfect. That's the reality, right,
Speaker 4: We're not all going to do things that we all
Speaker 4: agree with.
Speaker 1: But I love that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Samira texts me, can you, I you know, videotape
Speaker 4: my whatever YouTube thing at your store, and I'm like, yes,
Speaker 4: I'm there, boom, the door is open whatever you need.
Speaker 4: So to me, that is how we should be operating
Speaker 4: in our very tiny world and absolutely celebrating the people
Speaker 4: that we do see out there, getting the recognition, getting
Speaker 4: on the talk shows, getting to sing the national anthem
Speaker 4: at you know, NFL games, Like it's incredible. And I
Speaker 4: hope that as these people grow, like you mentioned Danielle
Speaker 4: or Sami or whoever, these ozempics and these brands, they're
Speaker 4: coming out these girls with money, lots of money. Yeah,
Speaker 4: so saying no to that is also probably really hard.
Speaker 4: You know, no one's called me yet. No, I'm just kidding.
Speaker 1: No, I don't want to.
Speaker 3: Never can I can?
Speaker 2: I say, let me go on record and say I've
Speaker 2: actually had three partnership requests or for for the some
Speaker 2: atlitude whether it's called and each and I find that
Speaker 2: so that's so interesting because each one, each one responded
Speaker 2: to like because they're offering like like a year free
Speaker 2: of it to come and do their stuff blah blah blah.
Speaker 2: And like each each one of them, I was like,
Speaker 2: nowhere my profile, have I ever talked about.
Speaker 3: Wanting to lose weight?
Speaker 2: No, about how how how I how I embrace intentional
Speaker 2: weight loss. I'm all for body and tralogy, bodutralogy. People
Speaker 2: want people to their bodies and their decisions, not mine.
Speaker 2: But like nothing I've ever done has ever said that,
Speaker 2: and the fact that you would ask me to do
Speaker 2: a year worth of free step hoarding, this holding this
Speaker 2: when people who actually use it for life really need
Speaker 2: medication if they you know, if they have diabetes or
Speaker 2: other things like that, you're they're charging them thousands four.
Speaker 2: If you give this to me, I will get it.
Speaker 2: I will get away for free to people who need it.
Speaker 3: Like do not do not.
Speaker 1: Great ways look your rabbit hood. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Two of them said to reply when what When?
Speaker 2: When person was like, if you want, if you want
Speaker 2: to engage in a legal discussion, please let no.
Speaker 1: I want to, I was. I was letting you know
Speaker 1: that I don't want to do. I'm just letting you know.
Speaker 2: So people people lord but but but I think your
Speaker 2: point right, like you know, Marci, just to your point
Speaker 2: of like people, you know, people do get asked.
Speaker 3: It is and it's sad because like in the day, you.
Speaker 1: Know, I.
Speaker 2: It's not for me and it won't it won't. It
Speaker 2: won't be for me and like if my body changes,
Speaker 2: like it will be my own decision. I won't I
Speaker 2: won't be asking for like like like like those medical
Speaker 2: things because those things are people. I think people actually
Speaker 2: need those for like for life of being care and
Speaker 2: I would never want to be the person just sit
Speaker 2: up standing in front of that, and I think it's
Speaker 2: disgusting in that place.
Speaker 3: Is we'll offer people things for free when people are
Speaker 3: being charged thousand dollars to access it.
Speaker 1: Down like just dollars. Horrible. Yes, so I will say
Speaker 1: this and then we have to go to break. But
Speaker 1: I will say real quick, it is not lost on
Speaker 1: me that the news just broke this week that Forever
Speaker 1: twenty one is having to close so many of their stores.
Speaker 1: So I'm not laughing because I recognize that by closing
Speaker 1: their stores, it means that people are going to lose
Speaker 1: their job. However, what I am saying is Samirah's impact.
Speaker 1: She was yesterday, she said, you said bye bye man
Speaker 1: closed autumn store. So shout out to you, Samirah. You did,
Speaker 1: you did your big one.
Speaker 3: It's obviously it's obviously a lot of things, but I
Speaker 3: literally did.
Speaker 1: She has stopped say I mean, yeah.
Speaker 2: Uh a.
Speaker 3: Taking down the La story is a wild.
Speaker 1: My god, my god mother did her big one. But
Speaker 1: with that being said, y'all hear that that is the
Speaker 1: sound of Uncle Scam telling us that we have to
Speaker 1: take a break so we can pay these bills. But
Speaker 1: when we get back, we will have more with your
Speaker 1: famous and favorite bitches. More in a thing.
Speaker 2: We are a back family, and I'm excited us to
Speaker 2: dive into today's conversation. I think it's gonna be really
Speaker 2: amazing because we're sitting with one of the most I believe,
Speaker 2: personally iconic institutions for fat fashion in Los Angeles. The
Speaker 2: plus bus will forever hold a space a special place
Speaker 2: in my heart. It was the first place I ever
Speaker 2: went to that centered fat fashion. It was the first
Speaker 2: show that I went to where I could find anything
Speaker 2: I wanted to find that actually could shop in full.
Speaker 2: I can go to the store and find everything for
Speaker 2: just myself and not be subjected to accessories or shoes
Speaker 2: a guy would shop with my friends. So please, first,
Speaker 2: let me say Marci, let me say thank you, Let
Speaker 2: me give you your flowers. Let me give you you
Speaker 2: and gen your flowers. Because being Jim also, you know,
Speaker 2: was a big part of that as well too, for
Speaker 2: creating space for our bodies and the garments that we
Speaker 2: adorn them with from.
Speaker 3: Make to make that and to make us visible, it
Speaker 3: really means so much.
Speaker 2: I'm so thankful My first question for you today though,
Speaker 2: is tell us about the history of the plus Bus.
Speaker 3: We're prompted the name. What do you feel like the
Speaker 3: Juditary has been like for you? Oh, the lore, the Lord,
Speaker 3: the Lord.
Speaker 4: As the kids. So ten years Yeah, we're ten years
Speaker 4: in and I started the plus Bus ten years ago
Speaker 4: with my former business partner, Jen Wilder, who really is
Speaker 4: the muse behind the project. Never in a million years
Speaker 4: have I ever wanted to own a boutique or ever
Speaker 4: thought I would. I'm not sure I still do. No,
Speaker 4: I'm just kidding. I have kind of accidentally fallen into
Speaker 4: this business. After meeting Jen, we hosted a free swap
Speaker 4: which shout out to the San Diego fats because I
Speaker 4: went to my first ever ir relevant like offline at
Speaker 4: this like San Diego house and it was like all
Speaker 4: of these like really cool fat activists and they were
Speaker 4: getting their masters and fat liberation and it was like
Speaker 4: Ashley Nell Tipton and Quina Butta and Brie I mean,
Speaker 4: Kayla marguite, these girls, these people. People still know these
Speaker 4: people and like they're famous to me in the fat
Speaker 4: activism world. I walk in and they were just like
Speaker 4: anything you want as yours. I couldn't believe it. I
Speaker 4: was having the time of my life and that really
Speaker 4: was the idea. That experience was where the idea for
Speaker 4: the plus bus came from. So, you know, we started
Speaker 4: as the first swap in La. We did a swap.
Speaker 4: We had an amazing turnout. At the end, we had
Speaker 4: so much clothes left over that we were calling our
Speaker 4: boyfriends and dads and husbands and please come with trucks
Speaker 4: to get all this clothes. Because if you've ever been
Speaker 4: to a swap or hosted one, it's not like people
Speaker 4: bring ten pieces and take ten pieces. They bring ten
Speaker 4: pieces and they take two pieces. You know, it's the
Speaker 4: ratio of what's left over to like what people take
Speaker 4: is can be really overwhelming. So anyways, at the end
Speaker 4: of it, we kind of looked at each other and
Speaker 4: we're like, we have so much clothes we could start
Speaker 4: a store. And I was in a transitional time in
Speaker 4: my life at that point and I wasn't really having
Speaker 4: a job. I'm all trying to say it in an
Speaker 4: articulate way. Oh, I was at a crossroads and Jen
Speaker 4: just turned to me and said, you know, I've always
Speaker 4: wanted to go around the country in an RV and
Speaker 4: thrift plus sized clothing and sell plus sized clothing, and
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, a plus bus and.
Speaker 1: That was it.
Speaker 4: We got chills. The dream was born. And we went
Speaker 4: home that night with our big news and I told
Speaker 4: my husband, I'm going to get a bus. This is
Speaker 4: like twenty fifteen, so really the height of like people
Speaker 4: like turning ice cream trucks into boutiques and soood trucks
Speaker 4: were like all the rage. And he just immediately was
Speaker 4: like such a dream killer and was like where are
Speaker 4: you gonna park it? And what about the insurance and
Speaker 4: the maintenance? Who's gonna drive it? And like it just
Speaker 4: burst my bubble to a degree. But I'm a doer
Speaker 4: and I can get shit done. And so we started
Speaker 4: to do pop ups out and about, like the Rose
Speaker 4: Bowl and this and that, and so basically we just
Speaker 4: were really scrappy and very much that thing of like
Speaker 4: if you have an idea, just do it, just do it.
Speaker 4: Don't make it perfect, just get it going. And so
Speaker 4: we started and people would come out and carry their
Speaker 4: big trash bags of clothes and pay eight dollars to
Speaker 4: get into the Rose Bowl in the heat, and we
Speaker 4: just slowly started to see that there was a community,
Speaker 4: there was an audience.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: I had been to primarily events in New York at
Speaker 4: the time, and that's actually where Jen and I had met,
Speaker 4: so there wasn't really like a big la community at
Speaker 4: that time. There had been a couple of events shout
Speaker 4: out Curvy Fashionista. There had been these sort of like
Speaker 4: little events, but nothing that was like consistent, and really
Speaker 4: it was only Marie that was doing anything at that
Speaker 4: time that I can remember, So I feel that we
Speaker 4: really were sort of like the nucleus for a very
Speaker 4: long time at getting people together and getting people to
Speaker 4: come and shop and hosting events, and that was you know,
Speaker 4: we found after that, we found a little brick and
Speaker 4: mortar in the corner of this like random neighborhood. You
Speaker 4: really had to know. It was like a secret clubhouse,
Speaker 4: very different from the store. Now that's like on a
Speaker 4: retail street and you can just like walk by and
Speaker 4: see it.
Speaker 1: This was like.
Speaker 3: The Oh.
Speaker 4: I definitely had to learn to embrace it. It was
Speaker 4: a little bit harder for me, and I'm just like, oh,
Speaker 4: you think Nicolette Mason is going to come here? I
Speaker 4: just remember being like no, and Jen's like, yeah, it's
Speaker 4: downtown cool, and I was like, okay, I'm an Uptown
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, it's represent and represent east
Speaker 4: Side Now I'm an Eastside girl now. So anyways, that
Speaker 4: was the plus bus five years ago. Our dream really
Speaker 4: came true and we found this beautiful brick and mortar
Speaker 4: on this retail space where now you can come and
Speaker 4: you can grab a cup of coffee with your girlfriend,
Speaker 4: or you can go have lunch. You know, your partner
Speaker 4: can go watch a game across the street at the bar.
Speaker 4: And we have multiple size inclusive stores on the street.
Speaker 4: So it has really been a dream come true to
Speaker 4: get to York. We've been there for five years. I
Speaker 4: can't even believe it, and ten years total in the
Speaker 4: project this year. So you know, Jen and I have
Speaker 4: parted ways very amicably. It's all mine now and you
Speaker 4: know that comes with a lot of responsibility, and that
Speaker 4: comes with a lot of not pressure, but I think
Speaker 4: like the pressure to sort of like rectify the wrongs
Speaker 4: of the past, right the mistakes that have been made
Speaker 4: which I acknowledge, and also move forward and grow and
Speaker 4: keep one of the very few spaces in Los Angeles
Speaker 4: basically in the world openly. To me, that's the priority,
Speaker 4: right Like, nobody's perfect, No space is perfect, nothing is perfect.
Speaker 4: So my focus right now is really just to kind
Speaker 4: of keep chugging along because frankly, for me as a
Speaker 4: small business owner, when I do see that Joanne's and
Speaker 4: Party City and Forever twenty one are closing.
Speaker 1: It's scary. It is.
Speaker 4: Yeah, as a little old Plus Plus.
Speaker 3: It's like, for sure, it does something alarm.
Speaker 4: It's scary. It's really scary, and you have to wonder
Speaker 4: how far to fight, how hard to fight, how much
Speaker 4: to invest, how you know your time. It's like all
Speaker 4: of these things. So anyways, that's how the Plus was started,
Speaker 4: from a swap to a little brick and mortar and
Speaker 4: now hopefully you know, I don't know. I go between
Speaker 4: wanting to have a hundred of them and also being
Speaker 4: like I would be okay, maybe I'm okay having the
Speaker 4: really cutest little store in LA that people just die
Speaker 4: to come to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, you bring up something that I you know,
Speaker 1: before I go onto our next question, you bring up
Speaker 1: something and this is you know, this is just me
Speaker 1: being you know, super optimistic. But I feel like we're
Speaker 1: seeing a divestment from these big stores and we're seeing
Speaker 1: more of an investment into stores like the plus Bus.
Speaker 1: You know, I will even say, you know, I go
Speaker 1: to different events and I get invited to different things,
Speaker 1: and yes, I will still buy from like you know again,
Speaker 1: I'll buy from the Nina Parkers. I'll buy from the
Speaker 1: Eloque because people send me gift cards to it and stuff.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: But I will often say too, like when I ask
Speaker 1: for recommendations, you know, or I'll text Danielle, or I'll
Speaker 1: ask another friend of mine who is a person of size,
Speaker 1: they will often tell me go to this place that
Speaker 1: is a you know, one person owned or two person owned,
Speaker 1: or a mom and pop or oh, I know this
Speaker 1: girl who can make this in her backyard, right, Like
Speaker 1: it's I'm finding that I think we're just seeing that
Speaker 1: a lot of people are kind of over and I
Speaker 1: mean this is a larger conversation, but it feels like
Speaker 1: a lot of people are over the corporate greed. Right.
Speaker 1: We're seeing them do so many terrible things to to
Speaker 1: not only just us, but also the world. And I think,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm hopeful and I believe in my heart
Speaker 1: of hearts that you're gonna have an other ten years
Speaker 1: for the plus Bus. And if and if you worry
Speaker 1: about that, I'm gonna wish that for you, so that
Speaker 1: way the universe knows, you know, or even I'll even
Speaker 1: say it this way, when me and Joho we hit
Speaker 1: our first you know, two three mil, we'll go ahead
Speaker 1: and we'll invest. We will invest, and we will make
Speaker 1: sure that your that you know, your your company stays
Speaker 1: the floor. At least I will, you know, Jojo made
Speaker 1: Joho probably looking at they will like, well, I don't
Speaker 1: know about you, bitch, but I know about it. But
Speaker 1: I'm saying me, yes, I am. I will very much
Speaker 1: be happy to invest. But I yes. But I did
Speaker 1: want to ask you though, you know, so I will
Speaker 1: say this and I want I'm so happy I get
Speaker 1: to say this to you, and I get to say
Speaker 1: this on the air, you know. Before I dive into
Speaker 1: the question that I want to ask, I definitely wanted
Speaker 1: to thank you again for being the first person to
Speaker 1: send Slash sponsor me a look for my first red
Speaker 1: carpeted event. I remember telling Joho and Joho and I
Speaker 1: basically was like, Joho, take this money, figure out you
Speaker 1: know what I what I can wear. I just need
Speaker 1: help because I'm getting ready to walk a carpet and
Speaker 1: the look, actually, the look that I'm going to be
Speaker 1: wearing the night of is the look that I got
Speaker 1: from the Plus Bus because it's so special to me.
Speaker 1: And when I wear that outfit, my got the way
Speaker 1: people stop me, where did you get this from? And
Speaker 1: I'm like, girl, I got it from the Plus Bus.
Speaker 1: So it's just it's been really really cool to be
Speaker 1: able to know, like the first big thing that I
Speaker 1: did in Hollywood was connected to this other big thing
Speaker 1: that I'm getting ready to do, and so it's just
Speaker 1: it all kind of feels so universal, so universally connected.
Speaker 1: But anyway, all that to be said, I did now
Speaker 1: back to the work. You have been around for a decade,
Speaker 1: and it feels like y'all were the first of your
Speaker 1: kind for when you started and and since then, you know,
Speaker 1: we've seen places pop up, we've seen companies become a
Speaker 1: little bit bigger, we've seen them get a little bit
Speaker 1: more notoriety, et cetera, et cetera. But I did want
Speaker 1: to ask you, like, how do you feel like the
Speaker 1: Plus Bus has grown and has set the stage for
Speaker 1: not only just for like your next few years right
Speaker 1: in terms of growth, but also like how do you
Speaker 1: feel like you've set the stage for other places to
Speaker 1: come up. I mean, you know, we had brands like
Speaker 1: prim that closed, but we did want to know, like,
Speaker 1: how has the impact of the plus Bus really just
Speaker 1: impacted you and how you see the work kind of
Speaker 1: going forward.
Speaker 4: Oh gosh, well, thank you so much. We're so excited
Speaker 4: about your event. I'm so I'm such a yes person,
Speaker 4: like and I just love you know. We were connected
Speaker 4: by Kathy Deech, who's another amazing Broadway girly and so talented.
Speaker 4: I'm actually gonna be on another podcast thanks to her
Speaker 4: on Monday. And I get to wear my wedding gown,
Speaker 4: so I better go see if it fits. But you know,
Speaker 4: I think that when I think about the Plus Bus
Speaker 4: being the first space of its kind in LA, it's
Speaker 4: I'm so proud. I'm so proud. And I know that
Speaker 4: whether or not I'm the villain in people's story now,
Speaker 4: as they say, But you know, it's like, you.
Speaker 1: Can't you can't deny Ally's origin story.
Speaker 4: Exactly right now. I say it as a joke, but
Speaker 4: I'm like, and I think that you can't really tell
Speaker 4: the story of La Plus size fashion without the plus
Speaker 4: Bus and it was really an accident and a labor
Speaker 4: of love and very much a fake it till you
Speaker 4: make it. And that's also why it hasn't been perfect,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. It's been very much a struggle,
Speaker 4: very much a oh my gosh, those racks American Apparel
Speaker 4: is closing. Those are free, They're for me. Okay, we're
Speaker 4: going to Bloomingdale's. Bloomingdale's is a shutting down.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: The guy that does all the liquidation, he knows me now,
Speaker 4: So you know, we've been so scrappy, we have been
Speaker 4: so secondhand, we have been so I think that sometimes
Speaker 4: when people might see me as Marcy the wife of
Speaker 4: Tim going to Orlando Disney World this, and that they
Speaker 4: don't realize like my dad works for Disney World. I
Speaker 4: I got a discount. We flew there on points, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean, Like we packed sandwiches whatever it is, right.
Speaker 4: So I think optics in our world, in the social,
Speaker 4: as you said, the parasocial, like I think the plus
Speaker 4: bus sometimes has been seen as like target, like we're
Speaker 4: the man and we are so not you know, we're
Speaker 4: still so verre. And I say we because to me,
Speaker 4: even though I am the new soul owner. It is
Speaker 4: very much a community. It is my team, it is
Speaker 4: my girlies, and now my first amazing new employee, Gabe,
Speaker 4: is so awesome. A little male energy in there. But yeah,
Speaker 4: I think that the plus Bus is for me is
Speaker 4: what people will talk I've been working as a TV
Speaker 4: producer for the last ten years while owning the Plus Bus,
Speaker 4: and no one is going to talk about an episode
Speaker 4: of Top Chef that I produced at my funeral. They're
Speaker 4: going to talk about the Plus Bus. And to me,
Speaker 4: that's what fuels me, and that's what keeps me going,
Speaker 4: and that's what makes me want to keep doing it
Speaker 4: because I realize that number when there's room for all
Speaker 4: of us. I've always felt that way. I feel like,
Speaker 4: if they want you, they don't want me, and if
Speaker 4: they want me, they don't want you, And that's okay.
Speaker 4: Maybe next time they'll want us both. But there is
Speaker 4: room for everybody. We are in a teeny tiny niche
Speaker 4: of the world that Hollywood or the media already wants
Speaker 4: so little of. So I think it's just really important
Speaker 4: to acknowledge that there's room for there to be more
Speaker 4: than three stores in Los Angeles that carry plus sizes
Speaker 4: and I'm talking about small businesses. Okay, let's forget okay, anthropology,
Speaker 4: good American, Macy's whatever, Forever twenty one, rest in peace.
Speaker 1: But you know, there is room.
Speaker 4: There is room. There's seven thousand million TikTokers that are skinny,
Speaker 4: or millions of Instagram girlies that are thin. But you know,
Speaker 4: it's like if two people in the plus size world
Speaker 4: like look alike and are making similar content, it's like
Speaker 4: we go crazy. So, you know, for me, that's always
Speaker 4: been the theme in the plus size world. And when
Speaker 4: I talk to my elders when I need advice or
Speaker 4: when I'm feeling down, that's what I always go back to,
Speaker 4: is like, this isn't happening forever, you know. But I
Speaker 4: feel really proud of what we've done. I feel really
Speaker 4: proud of being ten years. Like that's a long time.
Speaker 4: I can't really believe it. And this year being our
Speaker 4: ten year anniversary, like I am trying to really focus
Speaker 4: on the positive and just be really proud. It's devastating
Speaker 4: when brands like prem close. Just to circle back to
Speaker 4: your question, because now I'm like, well here, dad, I
Speaker 4: go Okay, the adhds, you know, now Gabby has her
Speaker 4: line Villa Fresca, which just launched a new swim drop.
Speaker 4: It's studying. It's gorgeous. I just don't have tits like that,
Speaker 4: so it doesn't work for me. But I love that
Speaker 4: it exists. And we need more and more and more,
Speaker 4: you know, we need more, and we every day have
Speaker 4: a new brand that comes to the Plus bus a
Speaker 4: new brand. Sometimes I get things that actually are already closed, right,
Speaker 4: like a really great brand that was selling Plus that's
Speaker 4: now defunct. But like I'm like, what's this. You know,
Speaker 4: I've never heard of it. And so the reality is,
Speaker 4: and as you said, you know, Nina's cheap, You're actually
Speaker 4: kind of right. The reality is is that Nina can
Speaker 4: be ninety eight dollars or eighty eight dollars or seventy
Speaker 4: eight dollars at Macy's because it's Macy's and they're producing
Speaker 4: two hundred thousand of them when you're just like Marcy's
Speaker 4: yellow sweater line and I'm like hand making these or
Speaker 4: procuring this myself or trying to make it real. That's
Speaker 4: why it costs two hundred and fifty dollars, you know.
Speaker 4: And I think that there is really a lot of
Speaker 4: education that's needed for the customer to understand. That's a
Speaker 4: lot of the feedback we get, right, is all about
Speaker 4: the pricing of among other things. But you know, I'm
Speaker 4: optimistic about what the community can do and what us
Speaker 4: as consumers because I can't see Jeff Bezos as my
Speaker 4: competitor while he is, which is crazy. I always say,
Speaker 4: you know, Jeff Bezos, nobody at Amazon is doing a
Speaker 4: happy dance when you place an order, but I get
Speaker 4: a notification on my and I'm telling you I do
Speaker 4: a happy dance. I am. I love. One of the
Speaker 4: things I love the most is employing plus sized people.
Speaker 4: So for me, the better the plus bus does, that
Speaker 4: means the more fat jobs there are. I dream of
Speaker 4: corner offices. I dream of a customer service center where
Speaker 4: there's one hundred fat bitches employed.
Speaker 1: Actually that can be from work, but you know, like
Speaker 1: to me, I got you.
Speaker 4: That is for me, it's like the more the plus
Speaker 4: mus can grow and succeed, the more fat people will
Speaker 4: have jobs. So anyways, I think that there's just it's
Speaker 4: a lot of pressure. We live in a really challenging
Speaker 4: time for small businesses for fashion and of course, and
Speaker 4: I know that we've talked about it a little, and
Speaker 4: we're probably gonna talk about it more. But and we
Speaker 4: live in an age again, or we're in an era
Speaker 4: of ozempic, and so we're very much back to that
Speaker 4: before body, that mentality that the thin woman within is
Speaker 4: waiting to get out. We are very much cycling back
Speaker 4: to that, which I can only hope that you know,
Speaker 4: whether it's one or five or ten years from now,
Speaker 4: it will turn again. But yeah, everything impacts the plus bus.
Speaker 4: Everything in culture, everything in La celebrities, Lizzo cleaning out
Speaker 4: her closet, it all does have an impact on us.
Speaker 4: And I'm just trying to not be like Forever twenty
Speaker 4: one and keep my doors.
Speaker 3: Open, not necessarily.
Speaker 2: So there there's a lot there that I want to
Speaker 2: say and ask, But you do deal have a great
Speaker 2: segue into my next question, So I'll hold the thoughts
Speaker 2: I was taking before, but I want to ask this
Speaker 2: question because the struggle of the plus bus has been
Speaker 2: a space the interally like bridges the gap between plus size.
Speaker 3: Consumers and influencers.
Speaker 2: Right people you know and like people can meet their
Speaker 2: favorite fat fashion icon and or shop their looks and
Speaker 2: stories well too, right, that was something that was really
Speaker 2: not offer right how many times? Could you how many
Speaker 2: how many opportunities you have to meet like your icon
Speaker 2: selling something or you doing something right? But in the
Speaker 2: age of a Zenmpic and the commodification of weight loss
Speaker 2: or fitness sharings, et cetera, we've seen people who have
Speaker 2: built their presence off of fat fashion and or even
Speaker 2: fat activism.
Speaker 3: Changed your action And I'm curious to ask.
Speaker 2: Like what like like both as a person in the community, yourself,
Speaker 2: your thoughts on it, you know, and and it also
Speaker 2: and also like how does that impact the plus bus
Speaker 2: is like sellings? Right, Like you said, Lizo, do people
Speaker 2: so come to buy Lizzo stuff then if they feel
Speaker 2: like if they feel betrayed by her?
Speaker 4: Like yeah, sure, well the Lizo of it all has
Speaker 4: been controversial for the last year. I mean, I remember
Speaker 4: when we got listen Lizzo's closet for the plus bus
Speaker 4: is like getting an investment. It is like someone sending
Speaker 4: you fifteen thousand dollars, right, because that is what comes
Speaker 4: when we get ten trash bags set in an uber
Speaker 4: or I'm driving to the Hollywood Hills to get her stuff.
Speaker 4: You know, that's the reality. That is an investment. But
Speaker 4: there have been times obviously where we've promoted it much
Speaker 4: more loudly than others because you know, for the last
Speaker 4: you know, when the whole lawsuit and everything was happening,
Speaker 4: there's the number one question I would get asked, So
Speaker 4: what do you think about Lizzo? And as an employer,
Speaker 4: As an employee, I've worked in a lot of great areas.
Speaker 4: I've had a lot of gray evenings with bosses or whatever.
Speaker 4: You know, we really tried really hard to just kind
Speaker 4: of like not comment on our person. It's like, I
Speaker 4: don't know, I wasn't there, you know what I mean,
Speaker 4: I wasn't there. Only the people that were there. No,
Speaker 4: And unfortunately, I have learned the hard way that it's
Speaker 4: really important to have boundaries with your employees. And so I,
Speaker 4: in a way, as an employer can empathize and as
Speaker 4: an employee that maybe has been out with a boss
Speaker 4: and didn't really want that third round of drinks, like
Speaker 4: I can empathize with that too, you know. So anyways,
Speaker 4: people very much still want that little piece of someone's closet,
Speaker 4: whether it's test holiday that they love or Lizzo or
Speaker 4: Jasmine J. I mean, we have really we created the
Speaker 4: marketplace for this sort of interaction right where whether that
Speaker 4: person was in store. I mean, I just love when
Speaker 4: people are shopping like normal and there's like a celebrity there.
Speaker 4: They'll be like, is that Eureka O'Hara, And I'm like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 4: that's my Yeah, Eureka is here, that's my friend. But
Speaker 4: you know, that's the cool thing about the pluss is
Speaker 4: you never really know who's clothes you're gonna get and
Speaker 4: or who might even be there shopping. The body autonomy,
Speaker 4: as you mentioned earlier, is I think the hardest thing
Speaker 4: for us. I'll say for me as a person, right,
Speaker 4: I think those of us that have struggled, and I
Speaker 4: say that I don't want to get canceled struggled with
Speaker 4: our weight or I'm doing this like the friends, you know,
Speaker 4: those of us that have been on I mean, I've
Speaker 4: been on a weight loss journey for forty years, okay,
Speaker 4: and I'm forty one. So it's like I I, of course,
Speaker 4: if I see someone on Instagram that has lost sixty pounds,
Speaker 4: I want to know, what is your secret? What did
Speaker 4: you do? Now we're in this era of ozembic where
Speaker 4: we don't have to wonder too much. We pretty much
Speaker 4: all know it's like, Okay, she didn't eat sweet potato
Speaker 4: and write the peloton every day. This girl's been on
Speaker 4: the ozemp, you know.
Speaker 3: But I it is.
Speaker 1: I am on the ground.
Speaker 4: But go on, I'm saying it is hard as someone
Speaker 4: who has been I have been there. I am there.
Speaker 4: I am there as someone who's a fat icon myself,
Speaker 4: who runs a fat store, and every day is a
Speaker 4: commitment to body autonomy, self acceptance, maybe self love minute,
Speaker 4: but every day, yeah, every minute problem, some minutes more
Speaker 4: than others, but yeah, Like it is waking up in
Speaker 4: a plus sized body, in a bigger body, especially if
Speaker 4: you've been there your whole life. You know, it is
Speaker 4: really hard when we see these people that we love
Speaker 4: Adele or Rebel Wilson or Melissa McCarthy, it's sad to
Speaker 4: see them shrink away. Now Lizzo, it's like, okay, she's
Speaker 4: on her weight release. It's like, listen, we've got trainers,
Speaker 4: we've got nutritionists, they've got chefs, they've got add on
Speaker 4: that maybe a little bit of the shot, right, So
Speaker 4: add all of his elements together and it's like, yeah,
Speaker 4: I'd probably lose sixty pounds too. It's my whole job
Speaker 4: and they got some time, right, She's not on a tour,
Speaker 4: she's working out. I mean, we watched Chloe Kardashian. I'm sorry,
Speaker 4: but she used to be like fat, you know, in
Speaker 4: the media. We saw her whittle herself down, and it's
Speaker 4: because she worked on six hours a day and like
Speaker 4: didn't need anything whatever. And so I think the reality
Speaker 4: is that we too often put our all of our
Speaker 4: eggs or all of our investment, all of our hopes
Speaker 4: and dreams in on these people, in on this like
Speaker 4: you know, these idols, and it sounds very like biblical,
Speaker 4: but it's like, we really can't worship false idols. You
Speaker 4: can't put all of our hopes and dreams on these people.
Speaker 4: They're just humans like us, and we all don't know,
Speaker 4: we don't know the circumstances that you know, Joho, you
Speaker 4: said you've been offered freeozempic. Okay, well what about freeozempic
Speaker 4: and fifty grand? What about freeo zepic and five grand?
Speaker 4: You know what I mean, That's that's the difference. I mean,
Speaker 4: for me, I'll be really really honest if in ten
Speaker 4: years it has been the miracle drug that people are
Speaker 4: touting it to be, and I see that four out
Speaker 4: of five people are still in good health, haven't gotten
Speaker 4: a stomach cancer, haven't had adverse effects, and have kept
Speaker 4: the weight off right. So I'm talking about the people
Speaker 4: that are doing it right now. Call me in ten
Speaker 4: years on my fiftieth. I'm my Oprah and just like
Speaker 4: what I am, I'm a twelve. But I am really
Speaker 4: afraid of it, mostly because I just don't think there's
Speaker 4: a miracle cure. I don't want to shoot my personally.
Speaker 4: I feel it's poison until I don't know, and the
Speaker 4: effects that I've heard people describe are far beyond what
Speaker 4: I'm willing to go through to be like I.
Speaker 1: Mean, Macie Gray just came out and said, I mean
Speaker 1: so again, and this is not you know, I want
Speaker 1: to be very clear for our listeners, because we do
Speaker 1: have some listeners who will be like, oh lo on
Speaker 1: here they go. We're not trying to, you know, tostize
Speaker 1: this idea that I mean again. I love the idea
Speaker 1: that you say, do what you want to do with
Speaker 1: your body, and I want to make sure that we
Speaker 1: keep that. But I also want to recognize that there
Speaker 1: have been a lot of people to your question. There
Speaker 1: have been a lot of people who have come out
Speaker 1: and said Ozimpic has caused them a lot of trouble.
Speaker 1: And I want to be clear, Macy Gray was one
Speaker 1: of the ones who publicly said she could not shit
Speaker 1: for three weeks because of Ozimpic. I have friends who
Speaker 1: have told me that I had a friend who was
Speaker 1: using it and she kept passing out and they were
Speaker 1: saying it might be the ozimpic girl, you know, And
Speaker 1: so I just I, you know, I think to your point, Marcy,
Speaker 1: I really love that you mentioned that, because I think
Speaker 1: so many of us, the vanity of society has us
Speaker 1: reaching for anything and everything right. And I think for
Speaker 1: you to say, I'm going to do the due diligence
Speaker 1: and I'm going to try to take care of myself
Speaker 1: the best way I know how, and I'm also going
Speaker 1: to uphold this idea that I will watch you and
Speaker 1: see what you're doing, and if it works out, maybe
Speaker 1: I'll maybe I'll, you know again, because I think there's
Speaker 1: also this part of us that there are folks who fear.
Speaker 1: And I appreciate that we're having this conversation because I
Speaker 1: think it's needed. I think there's a lot of folks
Speaker 1: who who think and again, I don't want to speak
Speaker 1: for you, joho, but I know for me that because
Speaker 1: I am so comfortable in this plus sized body that
Speaker 1: I don't get the thought of wanting to do the
Speaker 1: jab or to you know again, Chapter five of my
Speaker 1: fucking book is me talking about why I didn't get
Speaker 1: you know, why didn't get my stomach cut out right?
Speaker 1: You know? So you know, we all are human and
Speaker 1: sometimes yes, the vanity gets at us. And I think
Speaker 1: it's okay to say that, But I also think there's
Speaker 1: a reality for us to recognize why that reality exists.
Speaker 1: And a lot of that reality is because society is
Speaker 1: constantly telling us. Again, like I tell people that those
Speaker 1: voices you hear in your head are not yours. The
Speaker 1: world is so amped to tell you that in order
Speaker 1: for someone to love you, or like you, or to
Speaker 1: accept you, you have to be this size. And I
Speaker 1: appreciate that you mentioned that.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I just want to say, like, because we're saying anything
Speaker 2: about like people were up in arms over co vaccines,
Speaker 2: but knowing that a single eye baby that came out
Speaker 2: the way.
Speaker 1: People lined up, y'all, y'all, I don't know what's in there.
Speaker 1: I don't know what is in the COVID medicine, you
Speaker 1: might give me x y Z.
Speaker 2: But everyone said but but I think like the point
Speaker 2: out Vandy was just talking about, like because you're selling dandy, right, Like,
Speaker 2: if you're selling health, if you're selling true health, people
Speaker 2: will not give a fuck about it because it's they're
Speaker 2: selling you true health on co vaccines, but they sell
Speaker 2: you vanity with ozambic.
Speaker 1: You're like, girl, sign me up. And I'm like, hey, y'all,
Speaker 1: I don't care what it does to my body. It
Speaker 1: means I can be skinny and be attractive or hot
Speaker 1: or be you know, uh, what's the desirable. So you know,
Speaker 1: it's funny because I actually saw a comedian do that.
Speaker 1: He was like, y'all were so angry and so up
Speaker 1: in arms about all of the vaccines. I'm not doing
Speaker 1: it because I don't know what's in it. But as
Speaker 1: soon as y'all got access to ozen Big, I have
Speaker 1: a lot of that.
Speaker 4: It's so.
Speaker 1: Yourself.
Speaker 4: I see it every day. I get girls that come
Speaker 4: in Hi, I have all my clothes, I lost a
Speaker 4: hundred pounds, and I'm like, okay, I'll take a look.
Speaker 4: And I would try really hard not to congratulate or
Speaker 4: just I'm not diminishing it, but I'm just like, I'll
Speaker 4: take a look, chop around whatever. I see him go down,
Speaker 4: and I've seen him come up. You will be there
Speaker 4: for them all the way through their journey, right. I'll
Speaker 4: be there for anybody in their life body journey, right,
Speaker 4: because bodies change. The body changes every single day.
Speaker 3: You said, I'll see when you come back with the
Speaker 3: same glow.
Speaker 4: I always say, dress the skin you're in, right. So
Speaker 4: there's a lot of fear of like sizing up, and
Speaker 4: I think sometimes there's that same fear when you have
Speaker 4: lost a bunch of weight. It's like, but what if
Speaker 4: I need that size twenty four again, I'm gonna be
Speaker 4: really pissed. I took it to the plus bus. I
Speaker 4: think both are equally haunting. And I think the reality
Speaker 4: is is what we know is the clothes are abundant.
Speaker 4: Even though we say there's no clothes, there's plenty of
Speaker 4: clothes for us right now, Okay, just come and see me.
Speaker 4: But the reality is is that I've seen a lot
Speaker 4: of people have their stomach cut out, John and have really,
Speaker 4: really terrible health after. So I do see that unless
Speaker 4: it's truly life saving, which again, about one in five
Speaker 4: people that I know have had a successful bariatric surgery
Speaker 4: have not fallen super ill and it has changed their life.
Speaker 4: But most of the time, what I have witnessed over
Speaker 4: ten years of working with fat people every single day
Speaker 4: is the bariatric surgery typically reverses and the so the
Speaker 4: ozebic of it all is just like the new version
Speaker 4: of that. And you know, yeah, I don't want to
Speaker 4: say I'll never do it. I personally don't feel that
Speaker 4: I would ever have a bariatric surgery unless it was
Speaker 4: something where it's like I literally like, couldn't you know
Speaker 4: I had to get it for whatever reason?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: But yeah, I mean, I think it's important that we
Speaker 4: let people do what they want to do with their bodies,
Speaker 4: just like we are, you know, pro choice or whatever
Speaker 4: it is, but with caution, you know, I think we
Speaker 4: need to be really careful about the why and for who.
Speaker 4: You know, you're you're on the o zempic or whatever
Speaker 4: it is, and if it's doing good for you and
Speaker 4: your body's agreeing with it and you're not getting the
Speaker 4: side effects, awesome, you're probably that one in five that
Speaker 4: it's working for. So like praise be. I'm just not
Speaker 4: in a place right now where I'm willing to fart
Speaker 4: all day or like hot hyrhea, Like I'm so busy.
Speaker 4: This is what I think about.
Speaker 5: Look, I'm like, I cannot have ozempic slow me down,
Speaker 5: like period, Like I abs don't have time. I'm not
Speaker 5: running to nobody's bathroom. I know that's right. I'm in
Speaker 5: the same mind I say, I fly too much. I'm
Speaker 5: on somebody's plane too many days out of the week,
Speaker 5: and I got this book tour coming up. What I
Speaker 5: looking like trying to squeeze. I'm not trying to way,
Speaker 5: absolutely not. Okay, so we have I have one more
Speaker 5: question that I definitely want to ask you. I noticed
Speaker 5: could be considered a tense question. But you know, again,
Speaker 5: these parts.
Speaker 1: Is this is, this is who we are. We like
Speaker 1: to go there sometimes and so I know, and again
Speaker 1: I'm learning a lot as I'm like, working with Joho
Speaker 1: has been such a big eye opener about kind of
Speaker 1: all of the stuff that's happening in the plus size world.
Speaker 1: And it's not that I don't know that this stuff
Speaker 1: is happening. It's just kind of one of those things
Speaker 1: of like my mind is so entertainment driven. I tend
Speaker 1: to not really know what's going on over in the
Speaker 1: plus size world unless someone brings it to my doorstep.
Speaker 1: And so with that being said, you know, I know
Speaker 1: that one of the things that you have had to
Speaker 1: kind of go through or deal with is the several
Speaker 1: iterations that you know, the plus bus has taken right,
Speaker 1: you have this you know again you said you started
Speaker 1: out kind of you know, with this swap, you move
Speaker 1: into this you know bus idea, and now you're actually,
Speaker 1: you know, in this actual brick and mortar, and you know,
Speaker 1: some of those growing pains have resulted in people losing investment,
Speaker 1: not only just in the plus bus, but also in
Speaker 1: you know, the movement itself, you know, or are out
Speaker 1: rightly saying that they just don't like the plus bus.
Speaker 1: And you know, I don't love digging into controversy because
Speaker 1: I don't think that it's beneficial for anybody who's a
Speaker 1: part of it. But I do think we'd be remiss
Speaker 1: to not talk about that a little bit. So I
Speaker 1: want to ask, you know, I have nothing but affirming
Speaker 1: and wonderful experiences working with you, and that's partly why
Speaker 1: I'm so excited to do my you know, my book
Speaker 1: launch at your at your space. But that doesn't negate
Speaker 1: that there have been some folks who have openly said
Speaker 1: that they have had some issues with the plus bus,
Speaker 1: and so I guess I want to ask, like, how
Speaker 1: are you demonstrating that the plus bus is a safe
Speaker 1: and affirming place for people to shop and for those
Speaker 1: who ultimately may have felt harmed. How are you, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of in kind of moving forward, Like, how are
Speaker 1: you kind of doing let's just call it what it is,
Speaker 1: damage control, you know, how are you dealing with kind
Speaker 1: of the comms of it all.
Speaker 4: Well, thank you for the opportunity to talk about it.
Speaker 4: I feel like it is a six part series on
Speaker 4: the history of like dissension within the plus sized community.
Speaker 1: In LA.
Speaker 3: And I know we have.
Speaker 4: The real fat gangs of LA. Like it's truly you know, listen,
Speaker 4: there's definitely been a little bit of an anti plus
Speaker 4: bus vibe going on for a couple of years now,
Speaker 4: and there's a lot of different reasons for that. If
Speaker 4: I'm going to be transparent, because everybody loves transparency now
Speaker 4: so much, a lot of transparency going ha now I'm
Speaker 4: just kidding, But if I'm gonna be transparent.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: Gosh, there's so much to say, but to start with,
Speaker 4: first of all, we went through some heartbreaking layoffs a
Speaker 4: year and a half ago, and the reality of being
Speaker 4: in a club, in a mission minded business and everybody
Speaker 4: is here and getting paid to do all this fun
Speaker 4: stuff and make content and become fat icons and that ends.
Speaker 4: And that if anybody out there listening, or if either
Speaker 4: of you have ever been laid off, it's heartbreaking. It's
Speaker 4: heartbreaking when you don't even like your job, so let
Speaker 4: alone when you like your job and you're invested in
Speaker 4: it and you're providing your face and your beauty and
Speaker 4: your talent and all of that. So it's definitely been
Speaker 4: one of the most difficult things as a business owner
Speaker 4: I've ever had to go through and as a person.
Speaker 4: And so there is kind of there starts to become
Speaker 4: that little Now there's a group. Now there's a few
Speaker 4: people that are like, not the biggest fans. We've had
Speaker 4: some differences with folks in the past within the community.
Speaker 4: And I say we, I won't speak on behalf of
Speaker 4: my former business partner, but I will say we as
Speaker 4: like the plus bus. Just like anything, there's different clicks.
Speaker 4: There's different crews. You've got a different style, I've got
Speaker 4: a different style. You're gen z, I'm millennial, I'm high.
Speaker 4: Whatever it is. Right at the end of the day,
Speaker 4: what I would like to say first off is I
Speaker 4: do want to apologize to anyone that has ever felt
Speaker 4: hurt by the Plus Bus, whether in store, by a
Speaker 4: bad joke, by an unintentional having been misgendered. Nothing that
Speaker 4: anyone has ever been hurt by I believe was intentional
Speaker 4: or out of malice. But so often the things we
Speaker 4: as imperfect humans do or is we make a bad joke,
Speaker 4: or we unintentionally misgender someone because of whatever reason we
Speaker 4: don't know them that well, or we forgot or were
Speaker 4: being lazy or whatever. And so that is what I'll say.
Speaker 4: One is like, period and done. I apologize on behalf
Speaker 4: of anyone that has ever worked at the Plus Bus
Speaker 4: and for myself and yeah, anyone that you've ever interacted
Speaker 4: that is the Plus bus person. I think that moving
Speaker 4: forward and or what I've is that the plus Bus
Speaker 4: daily serves our LGBTQIA customers, our trans customers that every
Speaker 4: day are sharing with me that they're having the most
Speaker 4: gender affirming shopping experiences of their life. So what I
Speaker 4: have to keep doing is just the work and just
Speaker 4: getting better and making sure that myself and my staff
Speaker 4: are educated on all of the proper terminology and all
Speaker 4: of the proper ways to welcome people into our store.
Speaker 4: And you know, we've tried to eradicate pronouns, which I
Speaker 4: know can also be problematic. You know, there's all of
Speaker 4: these things you know that you're trying to do as
Speaker 4: a small business owner and as someone in this culture. Right,
Speaker 4: we're in this culture and I don't want to use
Speaker 4: the W word, but it's we're in this new culture
Speaker 4: where there is I say things to my friends outside
Speaker 4: of the fat world and they have no clue what
Speaker 4: I'm talking about. And it's because of our intersectionality, which
Speaker 4: is what makes us so amazing and powerful. Like the
Speaker 4: fat world is so queer and the queer world is
Speaker 4: so and together we're better. So for me, all I
Speaker 4: can do is say I am sorry, genuinely from the
Speaker 4: bottom of my heart to anyone that has been hurt
Speaker 4: by the plus bus, and I will say that we
Speaker 4: are committed to moving forward and being better, and as
Speaker 4: we evolve as the you know, corporate office evolves one
Speaker 4: of one now and our team evolves. We you know,
Speaker 4: we're just trying to be as inclusive as.
Speaker 5: We can be.
Speaker 4: Uh. We've been doing a lot of fire relief. We've
Speaker 4: been welcoming a lot of folks in for that. We've
Speaker 4: been doing our best, you know. We people didn't like
Speaker 4: how we did that either, and I definitely have had
Speaker 4: you can't win. Oh oh no, I don't have a scammer.
Speaker 1: I'm a full scammer, just like what the fuck Like
Speaker 1: it's just so sorry, but I'm like, bitch you Literally
Speaker 1: Jesus is an investor of the Plus Bus, and I
Speaker 1: swear to God someone would say, I don't like Apostle John,
Speaker 1: fuck the Plus Bus.
Speaker 4: I mean that's where for me, it's like, listen, we
Speaker 4: don't have enough places to shop. If you want the
Speaker 4: plus Bus to go away, keep doing what you're doing.
Speaker 1: But that's it.
Speaker 4: Every single day, new people walk into the Plus Bus.
Speaker 4: Every single day, somebody finds out about the Plus Bus
Speaker 4: every single day. I am thankful for the opportunities like
Speaker 4: this to amplify from the rooftops that there is one
Speaker 4: place in La one place. I say that confidently that
Speaker 4: you can shop seven days a week to get plus
Speaker 4: size closed. So my customers that are getting invited to
Speaker 4: the Grammys at the last minute or Elton John's Oscar party,
Speaker 4: they can come and find a gown when the party's
Speaker 4: in four hours. And I will continue to fight for that,
Speaker 4: and I will continue to host events and workshops and
Speaker 4: parties as we have, and that crew is going to evolve.
Speaker 4: And I would love an Olive branch. I would love
Speaker 4: for everybody to get along. I think about the mean
Speaker 4: girl's moment, she doesn't even go here. I think we
Speaker 4: need a little Kumbaya in the plus size community. I
Speaker 4: don't even know if you can say kumbaya anymore. I
Speaker 4: think we need a healing moment. Not probably, but it
Speaker 4: would be nice to have that moment, you know what.
Speaker 4: I mean, to have that little bit of like a
Speaker 4: team whatever it is. At the end of the day,
Speaker 4: people in the fashion industry fucking hate each other. People
Speaker 4: in the entertainment industry, there's people that hate each other
Speaker 4: like it's just a part of life that we are
Speaker 4: humans that are like existing and doing the same thing.
Speaker 4: And I just know that we need more of all
Speaker 4: of it, especially in the plus and fact world.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry that was just funny to be I can
Speaker 1: see someone would be a so damn man talk about that, Peter,
Speaker 1: dear John Joho, Marcy, let me.
Speaker 2: Just as as as the resident Jensennial. I cannot co
Speaker 2: sign things that have been said. But what I but
Speaker 2: what but what I can't say? I mean honestly, what
Speaker 2: you're speaking to Marcia is like, which is true. We're
Speaker 2: so quick to count people out when like when harm
Speaker 2: is done and when people are impacted in negative ways.
Speaker 2: But no one wants to be invested in restoration. No
Speaker 2: one wants to have wants to have a restorative process.
Speaker 2: No one wants to actually repair harm, right and like
Speaker 2: and like what you're doing at present right is like
Speaker 2: like like you're trying to repair harm. You're you're saying
Speaker 2: like like I am sorry this happened, and like I'm
Speaker 2: going sure, I'm going to shore show that we are
Speaker 2: more educated and also like and and also like we
Speaker 2: are humans and mistakes will be made and like if
Speaker 2: mistakes are made, tell us those mistakes and we can correct.
Speaker 3: Them in real time.
Speaker 2: But then going and you know, like like at the
Speaker 2: end of the day, right, like like this is something
Speaker 2: I think a lot is like I will never.
Speaker 3: Let me never because I'm sure there's there's I'm sure
Speaker 3: there's time right in might happen.
Speaker 2: But like I will most likely never turn down, never
Speaker 2: turn down black folks. Like unless you're clenty West, I'll
Speaker 2: turn you down real quick. But like I'm mostly never
Speaker 2: turning down black folks even when they mess up publicly
Speaker 2: because I'm not invested in I'm not invested in giving
Speaker 2: non black folks more reason to hate black folks that
Speaker 2: I'm not and I'm not interested in the in being
Speaker 2: a person to like.
Speaker 3: Cause a downfall of like black excellence.
Speaker 2: Right, And so it's so I think in the space right,
Speaker 2: if people are having issues with with with with a
Speaker 2: plus bus, they like, there there is level. And I
Speaker 2: will say this on trashy folks, there's a there's a
Speaker 2: choice shift to make in which either you're more important
Speaker 2: than the grid are good. And if you make that decision,
Speaker 2: I encourage you to effect on why I made a
Speaker 2: decision like we are Like I've been harmed in many
Speaker 2: places many times, and I know that if I make
Speaker 2: my harm the issue right, I'm possibly tearing down something
Speaker 2: that people need and need to use an access and
Speaker 2: I would rather not I'm not modeling myself right, I'm
Speaker 2: not saying to Mardy yourself by I'm saying I would
Speaker 2: rather explore result and repair with that place, so I
Speaker 2: forget about being there and so people can still access
Speaker 2: the resources they need to access, Like there are places that.
Speaker 3: People like there.
Speaker 2: It truly, there is no other plus bus in my
Speaker 2: in my eyes, there's no there's no there is another
Speaker 2: place that I know. Yes, to your point on that block,
Speaker 2: there are the places I can go to that have
Speaker 2: more plus sizes. But let me let me answer you.
Speaker 2: There's there's one place on your to the ball that
Speaker 2: I went to and their sizing for pus size was
Speaker 2: not actually plus size.
Speaker 3: Like I was, like, you have all?
Speaker 1: She said, I'm gonna name names, but I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: Why is this six X not thinking on me? Bitch?
Speaker 4: It doesn't hit me.
Speaker 3: It doesn't mean no, like, yeah.
Speaker 4: I get it, and listen. I mean, I I so
Speaker 4: appreciate your feedback. I was so excited to be invited
Speaker 4: on the pod. I was so excitic when you wanted
Speaker 4: to have your party at the store John and and
Speaker 4: I remember thinking like, oh, I don't know if John
Speaker 4: knows about the lore because you know, well, that's the
Speaker 4: thing at the end of the day, is that everyone
Speaker 4: has their different experiences of me, of the store, of
Speaker 4: the person that they shopped with, or you know, it's
Speaker 4: just like any shopping and it's not like any shopping experience,
Speaker 4: but it's like some are better than others, you know.
Speaker 4: And I am really open and I invite, like if
Speaker 4: somebody out there feels that they really would like to talk,
Speaker 4: would like to discuss and have some sort of like
Speaker 4: as you were saying, coming together, feedback whatever. I feel
Speaker 4: a little bit awkward right now, like about being the
Speaker 4: person to organize it, and I hate using this word.
Speaker 4: I don't feel super safe necessarily being the one to
Speaker 4: organize it. But if somebody did, or if somebody reached out,
Speaker 4: even just independently and wanted to talk, and I don't
Speaker 4: think it's going to result in us all being best
Speaker 4: friends again. And I don't think it's going to result
Speaker 4: in us all being like we're a big, happy family.
Speaker 4: But I do think it might result in us acknowledging Okay,
Speaker 4: this happened, we apologize, let's move forward. And at the
Speaker 4: end of the day, like you said, what's the most
Speaker 4: important thing is for this resource to continue because the
Speaker 4: Plus Bus lives beyond me, It lives beyond Jen. The
Speaker 4: Plus Bus has really at the end of the day,
Speaker 4: it will carry on as long as it can. And
Speaker 4: I always say, whether however my career ebbs and flows
Speaker 4: or whatever happens with the Plus Bus, as long as
Speaker 4: the Plus bus can break even, I will continue to
Speaker 4: run the Plus Bus. It might not mean I'm there
Speaker 4: every day if it doesn't start to pick up, but
Speaker 4: you know, we will always have the Plus busts open.
Speaker 4: I wish I could have like a lock box on
Speaker 4: a QR cote on Venmo and you could just help yourself,
Speaker 4: But you know will I am committed to continuing to
Speaker 4: provide this resource and I'm going to continue to try
Speaker 4: to be better. And as we are now in our
Speaker 4: fifth year on York and our tenure in business, fingers crossed,
Speaker 4: it gets better. But we do definitely need for the community,
Speaker 4: those that are local that didn't know any of this
Speaker 4: beef exist or don't. We need our regulars to be regular.
Speaker 4: We need people to come and think of us before
Speaker 4: they go to Amazon or Asos or Eloquy or wherever
Speaker 4: it is. And I do need people that have had
Speaker 4: a bad experience of the Plus bus, to understand and
Speaker 4: accept that I'm sorry and that I would like to
Speaker 4: move on, and to please stop basically spreading yell at gossip,
Speaker 4: rumor's malice because the Plus bus ending is really actually,
Speaker 4: like you said, quite harmful for a lot of fat people,
Speaker 4: and I know that, but I can't say that. John.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I know, I know you and I know
Speaker 1: you can't buy. So I'm gonna say this and then
Speaker 1: we gotta go to break. But I'm gonna say this
Speaker 1: real quick. So I got two events coming up, mainly
Speaker 1: you know what you talking about, And I'm thinking to myself,
Speaker 1: I have a little bit of extra coin in my pocket,
Speaker 1: so I'm a slide through tomorrow and try to give
Speaker 1: me a look, not only one for this glad event
Speaker 1: I gotta go to, but also for my for my
Speaker 1: actual book event. I'm gonna wear something new, So Marcy,
Speaker 1: if you're in store tomorrow, you will be seeing me.
Speaker 1: And the other thing I'm gonna say real quick before
Speaker 1: before we go to break and pay pay bills that
Speaker 1: we ain't got money for or you know, y'all, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say, you know, I know we're in a mixed company.
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna say it because this is the way
Speaker 1: we say. Y'all niggas will have a bad experience at Target.
Speaker 1: Y'all niggas will have a bad experience in Starbucks. Y'all
Speaker 1: will have a bad experience experience at McDonald's. You'll have
Speaker 1: a bad experience at a Chick fil a. You'll have
Speaker 1: a bad experience at what's that other? What's that other one? Uh,
Speaker 1: the the with the ice cream because their ice cream
Speaker 1: is disgusting?
Speaker 3: What is it?
Speaker 1: No? Not dairy queen? Come on, keep going? They see Coldstone? Yes,
Speaker 1: the Coldstone ice cream always tastes like a back of
Speaker 1: a freezer. Y'all niggas will have a bad experience at
Speaker 1: the Stater Brothers, the Ralphs, the Albertsons. Y'all niggas will
Speaker 1: have a bad experience even at Macy's. And you know
Speaker 1: what you do, You go back. You will always go
Speaker 1: to a different You may not go to the one
Speaker 1: you have the bad experience with, but you will still
Speaker 1: keep supporting the brand. And the reason why I say
Speaker 1: that is this, I think it is. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: not just saying this because Marcy is here. I'm saying
Speaker 1: this because I've been in this predicament, right, I've been
Speaker 1: in this predicament where people constantly you know, and I
Speaker 1: still get it. Yoh, John, you've changed, and you know,
Speaker 1: John's canceled and John doesn't. John doesn't speak about activism
Speaker 1: the way that they used to do that. Okay, But
Speaker 1: what I'm also saying is give people grace, give people
Speaker 1: the opportunity to say I did not do that, but
Speaker 1: I will take accountability for that thing that happened, and
Speaker 1: let's move from there. And I just I just you know,
Speaker 1: I say that, Like I said, it's just it's frustrating
Speaker 1: to me because and me and a few of my
Speaker 1: other friends, you know, we keep it in the check
Speaker 1: because I ain't gonna tell everybody on my bases on
Speaker 1: the street, but we text because it's like, what the
Speaker 1: this again another episode that we really need to do? Joho?
Speaker 1: What the fuck? Can Like there's if you do right,
Speaker 1: you're still doing wrong. And that is the frustration that
Speaker 1: I have in this moment, not only just with like activism,
Speaker 1: but just like with our world. It's like we are
Speaker 1: all fighting to stay alive at this point, whether it
Speaker 1: be in a career or whether it be just to
Speaker 1: stay fucking alive in a world where where cis gender
Speaker 1: white men are trying to kill us and it is,
Speaker 1: it is. It's just it's very frustrating.
Speaker 3: So yeah, Like I also I think that it's also
Speaker 3: like I think it's also different.
Speaker 2: Like I think a lot about the idea of reputation
Speaker 2: and what people say, right and like you know, like
Speaker 2: and like it's some case it's important in some ings
Speaker 2: it's not. But like I think the case of the
Speaker 2: pus bus, right, like you have to have a place
Speaker 2: where I could literally name him, like handfuls of people
Speaker 2: of black folks, trans folks, queer folks, folks like and
Speaker 2: intersexual folks who have had nothing but amazing experiences, right,
Speaker 2: Like I like the thing like like I have a
Speaker 2: friend last year who who messaged me frantically like I
Speaker 2: have a friend I have about trans friend.
Speaker 3: Who was looking for clothing for like for interviews.
Speaker 2: And I was like, try the pus bus when the
Speaker 2: plus bus And I don't know if it was you,
Speaker 2: Marcia was there something like that?
Speaker 1: Who were you?
Speaker 2: You were give them like four free outfits for like
Speaker 2: that that that they they could bring two interviews and
Speaker 2: then they.
Speaker 3: Got and then they got the job that they were
Speaker 3: interviewing for. Right, Like I I can tell you like
Speaker 3: physical data of how to experienced people have had.
Speaker 2: Right, It'd be different if every friends I've ever heard about,
Speaker 2: you know, like like about the Blas plus was bad, right,
Speaker 2: Like I have only.
Speaker 3: Had positive great ones.
Speaker 2: I've always seen positive, great ones, and I've seen ones
Speaker 2: that have not been life for for not just the
Speaker 2: life for ring, but like and somebody's like life saving, right,
Speaker 2: like people giving people access having them be dressed for
Speaker 2: a job is life saving that helps people.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I have to acknowledge. And my dear friend Pucks,
Speaker 4: who runs the fat Con, which is one of the
Speaker 4: most impactful events I've ever been to, and y'all need
Speaker 4: to put it on your calendar or January January sixteenth
Speaker 4: in Seattle, meet me there, Pucks always says and has
Speaker 4: taught me, only the most marginalized person in the room
Speaker 4: can say whether the space is safe, right, And so
Speaker 4: I acknowledge that, And it hurts me to my core
Speaker 4: that anyone has ever felt that. Right. But as you said, Jordan,
Speaker 4: whether I did it or not, I acknowledge it, I
Speaker 4: accept it, and I want to move forward and do better,
Speaker 4: and so I just you know, I haven't really been
Speaker 4: able to talk about this with anybody, and it's mostly
Speaker 4: been call outs or you know, gossip or when I
Speaker 4: have had the opportunity to mention like, hey, we should
Speaker 4: talk to someone recently, they basically denied me that. So
Speaker 4: I think it's just felt really scary and good to
Speaker 4: be able to like know that we would be able
Speaker 4: to address this, and it feels just like safe for
Speaker 4: me as a small business owner who has been just
Speaker 4: trying to do this, like this is all an accident.
Speaker 4: The plus us is all like literally smoking mirrors and
Speaker 4: we're just trying to keep it going, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean.
Speaker 1: I think you're you're just saying you're you're human, You're
Speaker 1: and I think that you know maybe and again I
Speaker 1: don't know you personally, but I'm like, I know, I
Speaker 1: we we I we. Our producer are screaming, we got.
Speaker 3: Us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I know our producers are screaming, we
Speaker 1: gotta go to break. But I was just say this, like,
Speaker 1: and I know we're feeding into segment the next segment,
Speaker 1: but I'm just saying, like I genuinely believe in my
Speaker 1: heart of hearts like this conversation needed to happen because
Speaker 1: I think people need to hear folks say I'm fucking sorry,
Speaker 1: and I yeah, I fucked up because I'm not Jesus like,
Speaker 1: I'm not you know, I don't. I'm not perfect, and
Speaker 1: I keep saying Jesus regardless if you believe them or not.
Speaker 1: It's because the world expects you to be so perfect
Speaker 1: when you're not. And we're talking about fatness people, We're
Speaker 1: talking about being imperfect and imperfect bodies and trying to
Speaker 1: love these imperfect bodies and in the process, we're harming
Speaker 1: each other. And so I'm just I'm really on a
Speaker 1: I'm really on a tangent. I know, I'm on a soapbox,
Speaker 1: but it's just it's so frustrating to me because it's
Speaker 1: not just the fat community that's doing this shit. The
Speaker 1: black community is doing the same thing, the queer community,
Speaker 1: he is doing the same thing. We are all literally
Speaker 1: targets right now. And I'm I'm I'm like, if there's nothing,
Speaker 1: no one hears, and I'm getting really passionate about it
Speaker 1: because no, I like, I don't. I also don't have
Speaker 1: anyone really to talk about with this, but we are
Speaker 1: all sitting ducks right now, and we cannot operate this way.
Speaker 1: We just can't. So just give people grace that we
Speaker 1: that that's that's where I want to leave it. We
Speaker 1: really have to do better at that because they're already
Speaker 1: coming for us, and we really we really don't need
Speaker 1: to give them anymore. And I hate saying this, We
Speaker 1: don't need to give them any more, ammo.
Speaker 2: So as we find our soothing circle for for our
Speaker 2: loved ones and pay our haters some dust, we gotta take, yeah,
Speaker 2: another break along the bread this time, and we come
Speaker 2: back with jump into our yes man and.
Speaker 3: No Man PAMs more than just a second.
Speaker 1: All right, y'all, So we are back with the segment
Speaker 1: that y'all love and also some of y'all love to hate,
Speaker 1: Yes ma'am and No Man Pam. And this week I
Speaker 1: openly want to start off by saying my yes ma'am.
Speaker 1: This week, I genuinely so I was gonna name a name,
Speaker 1: and I'm actually not going to name a name. I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna say any person, any brand, any anybody who
Speaker 1: is doing anything to make bigger bodies feel beautiful. I
Speaker 1: genuinely want to say yes ma'am to them, And what
Speaker 1: I say by that is if you are a designer,
Speaker 1: you know, I I forget who does Kecky Palmer. But
Speaker 1: I've heard her talk about how, like when she gained
Speaker 1: weight with her pregnancy, there's been designers that had helped
Speaker 1: her feel beautiful, like any body who's doing anything to
Speaker 1: make big bodies feel good. I dream of the day
Speaker 1: that I get to work with, you know, a a
Speaker 1: really high fashion person who's like, you're you're still a
Speaker 1: big girl, but we're gonna give you glam. You know,
Speaker 1: the days that me and Jojo get to walk a
Speaker 1: red carpet together, you know, in la culturista fashion, you know,
Speaker 1: and get to just be out there making uh, making
Speaker 1: the girls eat it. I dream of that day that
Speaker 1: we can do that. And so also I also want
Speaker 1: to say too with that, you know, I also want
Speaker 1: to say big ups to companies and orgs that are
Speaker 1: suffering because the big girls are not giving them the
Speaker 1: love that they deserve. And yeah, and that kind of
Speaker 1: folds into this this NOMNPAM that I have. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm really frustrated, but just you know, so I'll say
Speaker 1: this for my NOMNPAM. I am semi frustrated with the
Speaker 1: way that folks have not been holding the industry specifically
Speaker 1: accountable for the ways that they are continuing to make
Speaker 1: people hate their bodies. It. It's extremely frustrating to see
Speaker 1: celebrities that I know, even personally celebrities I know, go
Speaker 1: on record and say really heinous and hateful shit now
Speaker 1: that they've lost weight, right, And and that's been the
Speaker 1: biggest frustration that I have is just you know, I
Speaker 1: really don't think people recognize how feeding into this wave
Speaker 1: of whatever ozempic whatever they call those g one p's
Speaker 1: or whatever the fuck it's called. Like anybody who's feeds
Speaker 1: into that, you're still feeding into this culture of self hate.
Speaker 1: And so I openly wanted to say this week, for
Speaker 1: my no man Pam, I wanted to say fuck you
Speaker 1: to the people who are applauding Lizzo's weight loss, because
Speaker 1: I feel like you are the reason why fat people
Speaker 1: can never get any rest or be happy. Y'all are
Speaker 1: the ones who make it impossible to just be in
Speaker 1: regardless of how you feel about it. Right, There's some
Speaker 1: people who've been like, oh, what Lizzo is doing is
Speaker 1: her body. Okay, that's fine, But there are people who
Speaker 1: are entertaining that there are people who made Lizzo feel
Speaker 1: like regardless of if she's on Ozimpic or not, there
Speaker 1: are people in her circle, There were people in her life,
Speaker 1: there were people online who made Lizzo and other fat
Speaker 1: people feel like they had to do something extensive right,
Speaker 1: whether it be stopped eating, whether it be ge get
Speaker 1: the like. Literally, Lizzo could not just be Lizzo right.
Speaker 1: It was something in her circle pressured her to lose weight.
Speaker 1: And I want folks to really sit with that, because
Speaker 1: whether you know it or not, you are making it
Speaker 1: imp possible to just be regardless of how you talk
Speaker 1: about it. And so I'll just say this as a
Speaker 1: fat person who is extremely frustrated in this moment with
Speaker 1: the way the world is moving, with the ways that
Speaker 1: we're talking about fatness, the ways that we're talking about
Speaker 1: people's body. You are the reason why so many fat
Speaker 1: people have issues with their bodies. And whether you want
Speaker 1: to acknowledge that or not, right, whether you want to
Speaker 1: lean into that or you want to say, John, I
Speaker 1: want to push back, you can push back. This is
Speaker 1: actually a time I invite you to jump into my
Speaker 1: inbox and we can have that conversation because I think
Speaker 1: there are a lot of us who are sitting around
Speaker 1: and are like, oh, we could do whatever we want
Speaker 1: with our bodies, but you are still pushing people to
Speaker 1: lose weight, and I think that's fucked up. So I
Speaker 1: just wanted to say that on record. Joho, what do
Speaker 1: you got this week?
Speaker 3: I'm gonna keep mind sweet and simple and political. Yes,
Speaker 3: ma'am to reversion of Jodz and Crockett.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I just love her.
Speaker 3: Fuck off, I love it, fuck off and either she
Speaker 3: called she called that man in office. She called him
Speaker 3: Putin's hoe. She said, miss.
Speaker 2: Allegedly posted of Congress. She has said I would someone.
Speaker 2: Someone asked, what would she say to him? Is your opportunity?
Speaker 3: She said, I would tell the girls spine and stop
Speaker 3: being Putin's hoe. And I I pray it's true. I
Speaker 3: pray it's true because I actually live. I just live.
Speaker 3: She makes her heavy. But no, man, Pam is to
Speaker 3: I can't say that anymore.
Speaker 2: Just get just Governor Gavin Newsom because I used to
Speaker 2: be that new some train, but say I'm not. Unfortunately,
Speaker 2: I fear because why are you?
Speaker 3: How are you gonna launch your first podcast? How you
Speaker 3: launch your podcast? Your first episode?
Speaker 2: And you come out talking about yep, you that you
Speaker 2: that you think transphot do you think trans folks playing,
Speaker 2: particularly trans women playing in female sports is unfair? Like
Speaker 2: I want to just one underline, like the attack of
Speaker 2: trans women is constantly, constantly baffles me.
Speaker 3: You were literally, sir, you were literally mayor.
Speaker 2: Let me just make sure this is correct, because if
Speaker 2: I believe this is true, if I know my Bay
Speaker 2: Area history, fucking mayor of San Fraan fucking Cisco, you were,
Speaker 2: and you were there for several terms and then you
Speaker 2: became you made your career on the box of trans people,
Speaker 2: your career on the backs of queer people like that, Like.
Speaker 4: Who even cares about sports?
Speaker 3: I'm saying.
Speaker 4: About sports like girls?
Speaker 3: Just like what just no man him?
Speaker 1: But you know what, why if there's one thing white
Speaker 1: men are gonna do, they're gonna be white men. I
Speaker 1: just want to put that.
Speaker 4: Unfortunately, I thought you were gonna say they're gonna love sports.
Speaker 1: No as also also that, But I'm just saying, like
Speaker 1: I always always wait, like I there, I have a
Speaker 1: lot of my best friend is white. I love white
Speaker 1: like white men. I just I please prove, like, just
Speaker 1: prove me different. That's all I want. That's all I want,
Speaker 1: you know, because I know a lot of white men
Speaker 1: who listen to this podcast, and I'm like, please just
Speaker 1: just just prove us wrong.
Speaker 3: Just please please anyway, that's all I want. That's mine.
Speaker 2: F you Newsome, I mean, please, don't suck up our
Speaker 2: state for a lot of reasons, but know that you're
Speaker 2: my shipless with this one.
Speaker 3: Shipless. Yeah, Marcia, how about you love?
Speaker 4: Okay, My I'm gonna do my no first. So my no,
Speaker 4: man Pam is Nillo wafers. Like unless you are under
Speaker 4: ten layers of banana pudding and whip topping, you don't
Speaker 4: belong here and you're gross and nobody wants you. And
Speaker 4: when they include Nillo wafers in the like mixed snack
Speaker 4: pack of cookies, I've been working with children lately and
Speaker 4: I'm telling you, no one wants them. No one wants them.
Speaker 4: It's a waste of money. And all the Nilla way
Speaker 4: for bags are left. Now.
Speaker 1: You don't like Fredos, like the like the corn FreeDOS,
Speaker 1: like delicious, nobody but nobody wants them.
Speaker 4: I do.
Speaker 3: I want?
Speaker 4: Let's not get onto chips. That's a whole other.
Speaker 1: My.
Speaker 4: Uh yes, ma'am Oh, yes, ma'am is, I'm so proud
Speaker 4: to be on this podcast today that has black fat
Speaker 4: femme as the title fat needs to be discussed more.
Speaker 4: We need to continue to take it back everything that
Speaker 4: we do. I speak for myself, but it seems like
Speaker 4: what y'all are up to, especially having the word fat
Speaker 4: and the title of your podcast, is about fat liberation
Speaker 4: and removing the stigma and what it means. So ozempic
Speaker 4: or no zempic, Lizzo fat, Liza thin, whatever it is,
Speaker 4: it's that we can continue to hope and fight for
Speaker 4: a future where the stigma of being fat no longer exists.
Speaker 4: It can just be a descriptor, it can be a
Speaker 4: part of your genetics, it can be a part of
Speaker 4: your body and who you are art and it doesn't
Speaker 4: have to weigh so heavily on people as a constant
Speaker 4: sort of source of whether it's stress or things something
Speaker 4: they want to change, or something that is wrong with them.
Speaker 4: So I'm just proud to be a fat liberationist and
Speaker 4: to continue to fight in this activism, in this in
Speaker 4: this sector of activism because for me, I've never really
Speaker 4: been As I get older, I understand the importance of
Speaker 4: politics and the importance of activism, and as this being
Speaker 4: my platform the fat activism. Every single day, I see
Speaker 4: the plus bus as my act of fat liberation and
Speaker 4: being open, you know, paying the rent there. It is
Speaker 4: an act of radical activism to be on a major
Speaker 4: retail street and say fat Fat fashion for all to see,
Speaker 4: and everyone that walks by does comment on the title
Speaker 4: and comment on the word fat and on our little
Speaker 4: sign that says the rules of being in a body
Speaker 4: positive space. And so I just make you really proud,
Speaker 4: and I'm proud to be here in this conversation with y'all.
Speaker 4: I think these conversations are needed, talking about ozempic, talking
Speaker 4: about taboo, talking about how painful it is to see
Speaker 4: Lizza's weight loss, and also that I you know, if
Speaker 4: she's happier or it's been good for her and John,
Speaker 4: as you said, it's somebody on her team, but I
Speaker 4: don't know, it's somebody somewhere, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: It's like she's also I don't know, or maybe she
Speaker 4: just I don't know. I don't know that I agree
Speaker 4: with that, but we all know the voices that are
Speaker 4: in our heads and the voices that are in our society,
Speaker 4: and so I'm just I'm really happy that somewhere like
Speaker 4: this exists to have these conversations. And when Tisha Campbell
Speaker 4: comes on invite.
Speaker 1: Me back, it will be a with a co host state, just.
Speaker 4: Like you know, just like Kimmie on The Keys, I
Speaker 4: could like, yeah, definitely. Gavin Newsom was the governor of
Speaker 4: San Francisco nineteen.
Speaker 1: What the fun? Where do we even live anymore? My god? Anyway,
Speaker 1: with that being said, I know y'all gonna have a
Speaker 1: lot of thoughts this episode, so go ahead and send
Speaker 1: them on our way. Chah. Send your thoughts, your feedback,
Speaker 1: your email to Blackfeffnpot at gmail dot com. You can
Speaker 1: also send us your thoughts for your social media, we
Speaker 1: definitely check them Instagram, Blue Sky as well as the
Speaker 1: Tick of the Talks. Honey, we be over there posting
Speaker 1: things and you know, trying to comment and all of
Speaker 1: the other stuff. But anyway, all that to be said,
Speaker 1: we know we can find you at the plus Bus, Marsie,
Speaker 1: but where else would you like to be found?
Speaker 4: Instagram is the plus bus boutique, the TikTok is plus
Speaker 4: the Plus Bus. I'm the Marciminute and have been for
Speaker 4: many years online plus bus dot com, the plus bus
Speaker 4: dot com.
Speaker 1: Thanks you guys, I love that so much. Queen joh,
Speaker 1: where can the dots find you?
Speaker 2: As usual, loves, You'll find me at Jojo Jails across
Speaker 2: all the socials my mobsite jr jails dot com, or
Speaker 2: if not, you will find me in person March twenty
Speaker 2: fifth at the plus bus Boutique. I'll bring my girl
Speaker 2: John and seeing my girl marciam person here, some big
Speaker 2: old hugs, some good little schnatchy snacks and seeing and
Speaker 2: seeing the tzar herself say the house down boots with
Speaker 2: her book.
Speaker 1: Yes, my god, I can't offer yes bitch yes. Well,
Speaker 1: with that being said, say yes please come through March
Speaker 1: twenty fifth. It is a free event. That is one
Speaker 1: of the questions I've been getting from people. People, is
Speaker 1: it it is free? You can go ahead, head over
Speaker 1: to the plus bus boutique website. You can go ahead
Speaker 1: and sign up, go ahead and come on through. I
Speaker 1: will say this that if you're one of those people
Speaker 1: who wait to the very last minute to get their stuff,
Speaker 1: I cannot guarantee you that there will be a spot
Speaker 1: for you. So this might be the time if you
Speaker 1: can spend time browsing TikTok, Instagram, audio, go get yourself
Speaker 1: a ticket, because I'm gonna tell you right now, once
Speaker 1: they're gone, they are gone and I will not be
Speaker 1: able to help you. Outside of that, you can go
Speaker 1: pre order my book. It is everywhere you find your
Speaker 1: favorite books. I'm not telling people where to get their
Speaker 1: books because everybody again a politic. But as for me
Speaker 1: and my household, you can find me in someone's room
Speaker 1: full of hey talking to rumpel Stiltskin about how I
Speaker 1: can make my book a best seller in the meantime. Please,
Speaker 1: in between time, make sure you support I cannot say
Speaker 1: this enough with the pre launch. Please, it's not even
Speaker 1: just me, other black and queer writers. Please support them
Speaker 1: because we are at a time now where things are
Speaker 1: getting banned and publishers are looking for any and every
Speaker 1: reason to not give us a second book deal. So
Speaker 1: it is very very important that you support not only
Speaker 1: just me, but other black, brown, bipoc whatever however you
Speaker 1: see in the diasporus, please support them. All that to
Speaker 1: be said, we want to thank our producer Bei Wang
Speaker 1: for handling all of the logistics and getting amazing people
Speaker 1: like Marcy on the show. Thank you Bay for helping
Speaker 1: us with that. But we also want to shout out
Speaker 1: everyone over at iHeartMedia for keeping the show up and running.
Speaker 1: It has been and continues to be a blast. We
Speaker 1: also want to shout out our wonderful editor Chris Rodgers
Speaker 1: because without him, we wouldn't have show or visuals. You
Speaker 1: can go down to the tubes of you and watch
Speaker 1: this episode. Yes it is free. This has been another show.
Speaker 1: Stay black, fat, femine, fabulous, and remember what joho.
Speaker 3: We may not be your cup of tea.
Speaker 2: It's okay girl, but begains Massitch okay.
Speaker 1: But beat us mass Agua. Come a lifelong love us
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