Speaker 1: Hi there. It's me Laura Wasser, the divorce attorney and
Speaker 1: the founder of It's over Easy, the online divorce service.
Speaker 1: I've been practicing family law for over twenty years and
Speaker 1: I've worked on thousands of divorces, shepherding people through what
Speaker 1: may be one of the most terrifying times in their lives.
Speaker 1: Along the way, I often have to remind people to
Speaker 1: lower their expectations when dealing with matters of the heart.
Speaker 1: Rules simply don't apply, because all's fair in love and war.
Speaker 1: Open your heart, fasten your seatbelts, and let's go. Hello everyone.
Speaker 1: I'm Laura Wasser, the attorney and CEO of the online
Speaker 1: divorce service It's over Easy, and I'm Johnny Rain's chief
Speaker 1: content officer. And It's over Easy. Over Easy is many
Speaker 1: things too many people. First and foremost, It's over Easy
Speaker 1: is a tool anyone can use with their student to
Speaker 1: be x to navigate their own legal divorce without attorneys
Speaker 1: at a great price. Considering the average divorce in the
Speaker 1: United States is upwards a fifth teen thousand dollars, I'd say,
Speaker 1: and It's over Easy divorce, which is all in between
Speaker 1: seven fifty is definitely worth the money. In addition, to
Speaker 1: its every easy being an easy to use yourself divorce platform,
Speaker 1: We've created a safe place for a community of modern voices,
Speaker 1: all of whom understand what we call the evolution of dissolution,
Speaker 1: also known as how to divorce without destroying your family
Speaker 1: or bankrupting yourself. If you listen to Divorce Sucks, you'll
Speaker 1: remember meeting a few of our future professionals from the index.
Speaker 1: And today we'd like to introduce you to the brilliant
Speaker 1: women who created and sponsor one of the most important
Speaker 1: organizations in our circle called Second Saturday, the co founders
Speaker 1: of the Women's Institute for Financial Education, which is brilliantly
Speaker 1: and more widely known as wife dot org. Welcome to
Speaker 1: us fair, Candice bar and Janita Wall. Hi, guys, So okay,
Speaker 1: I I have been a big fan of Second Saturday forever.
Speaker 1: But let's get a little bit of info about you,
Speaker 1: guys and backstory. What drew you two together? Well, that
Speaker 1: began about thirty two years ago. Janina and I worked
Speaker 1: professionally in the San Diego area, Janita being a CPA
Speaker 1: and a sort of five finance planner, and I owned
Speaker 1: my own investment firm, and we found that we both
Speaker 1: had an interest not only in working professionally with our clients,
Speaker 1: but also in helping women understand more about money and
Speaker 1: going from there, we created the Women's Institute for Financial
Speaker 1: Education because we wanted a nonprofit, non biased way to
Speaker 1: teach women about money. Going from there, we found out
Speaker 1: one of the biggest financial issues that women may ever
Speaker 1: face is going through divorce. So we created a program
Speaker 1: for divorce. I love it and we've been running it
Speaker 1: ever since. And I mean the fact that you guys
Speaker 1: started it, that you stuck with it. I'm sure you
Speaker 1: have seen it so many amazing both sad but also
Speaker 1: hugely inspiring story. I spoke a couple of years ago
Speaker 1: at the Women or at Tina Brown's Women in the World,
Speaker 1: and we what the panel that I was on was
Speaker 1: assigned this topic, which is women and financial issues and
Speaker 1: how we as women so often kind of abdicate financials
Speaker 1: reponsibility and it doesn't matter what level of wealth you're at.
Speaker 1: I've had women come into my office that, you know,
Speaker 1: they could get a table at any restaurant in Los Angeles.
Speaker 1: They've got personal shoppers at Neiman Marcus and Barney's when
Speaker 1: it existed, and they're sophisticated and and they say, I
Speaker 1: am so embarrassed. I have no idea what our financial
Speaker 1: situation is. I know kum laude at at my college,
Speaker 1: and yet I got married and I kind of just
Speaker 1: completely left it to him. And I said, well, the
Speaker 1: good becausiness. You're never going to be in the situation again.
Speaker 1: We're going to get you all of that information because,
Speaker 1: as you both know, it's all discoverable as part of
Speaker 1: the divorce process and really learn how to become the
Speaker 1: master of your own destiny. Um. And again, it's all relative,
Speaker 1: whether it's those women or men that have lived at
Speaker 1: such a high level of wealth, or somebody that says,
Speaker 1: I don't know how I'm going to do this because
Speaker 1: if I leave him, I'm going to be living in
Speaker 1: my car, or I'm not going to be able to
Speaker 1: have the same kind of an apartment, you know, to
Speaker 1: one bedroom, as opposed to to as opposed to studio.
Speaker 1: So um, Janita, tell us about you. You you went
Speaker 1: to Antioch in Ohio. Yes, yes, I went to Antioch
Speaker 1: College and I became a c p A. And then
Speaker 1: in the eighties I became a certified financial planner and
Speaker 1: then I sold my big accounting practice in New Mexico,
Speaker 1: and I moved to San Diego, and Candice was the
Speaker 1: second person that I met in San Diego, and we
Speaker 1: really we just started meeting every week and saying, what
Speaker 1: can we do to help the people of San Diego
Speaker 1: and more specifically the women of San Diego, because women
Speaker 1: were really coming into their own in the eighties. They
Speaker 1: were earning paychecks there, they were advancing, but so many
Speaker 1: of them, as you said, and we're leaving the money
Speaker 1: matters up to men. And then when we hit the
Speaker 1: financial crisis of the late eighties with the stock market plunge,
Speaker 1: they suddenly went, oh, my gosh, men don't know any
Speaker 1: more about this than we do. They weren't able to
Speaker 1: prevent that, and so we set up wife dot org
Speaker 1: to start to start educating women. And then a couple
Speaker 1: of years later, we started Second Saturday and Candice and
Speaker 1: I started that program together. It's Second Saturday, what Women
Speaker 1: Need to Know about Divorce. I've been running it ever since.
Speaker 1: In San Diego. About twenty years ago we added a
Speaker 1: program for men called the Men's Divorce Workshop, and then
Speaker 1: about five years ago we started expanding the program around
Speaker 1: the country and now you guys are online as well. Correct,
Speaker 1: we are as of now, as of the virus days. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's taken us online. We've always at in person workshops,
Speaker 1: and in person workshops are incredibly valuable where people can
Speaker 1: get together for three or four hours, support each other,
Speaker 1: learned together, really form a community where it's safe to
Speaker 1: say what you need to say. And that's not possible
Speaker 1: right now. So we've done the next best thing and
Speaker 1: taken it online. Not for four hours, because that would
Speaker 1: be really hard to spend four hours sitting at your computer,
Speaker 1: but we've shortened it down and we've empowered our leaders
Speaker 1: around the country to put on the program on a virtual,
Speaker 1: online live setting. I have a question. So both of
Speaker 1: you clearly good at finances, good probably at maths, which
Speaker 1: I never was. I am seeing some schools. I have
Speaker 1: one kid that's in elementary school and one kid that's
Speaker 1: a freshman in high school, and I am seeing schools
Speaker 1: and educators because we're I'm on the board at our school,
Speaker 1: and I also obviously speak with many parents and educators
Speaker 1: about what kids go through during divorce. But away from
Speaker 1: that for a moment, I have seen elementary and middle
Speaker 1: school kids being divided up by gender to learn math.
Speaker 1: And I have heard that girls, little girls do better
Speaker 1: in math classes if boys aren't in there because then
Speaker 1: they feel more comfortable. And I'm I've torn about this,
Speaker 1: but I thought it was really interesting. Any thoughts about that?
Speaker 1: I mean, two women who clearly excelled, or maybe you didn't,
Speaker 1: maybe it came to later in life. I was never
Speaker 1: good at math, so I just hire a forensic accountant
Speaker 1: in my cases, or somebody like one of you. What
Speaker 1: do you think about that idea that we actually really
Speaker 1: are wired differently genetically and can do better and perform
Speaker 1: better if we're if we don't have young males in
Speaker 1: the classroom with us. I'll take that. This is Candice.
Speaker 1: We saw a series of studies that were conducted a
Speaker 1: number of years ago that showed as girls reach out lessons,
Speaker 1: they begin to dumb down a little bit. It because
Speaker 1: they want to impress the boys, they don't want to
Speaker 1: outshine them. So from that standpoint, having two separate classes
Speaker 1: very beneficial. In fact, that's actually what we felt when
Speaker 1: we first started Second Saturday. Having a workshop for women
Speaker 1: only we felt was very valuable, and we see it
Speaker 1: because women aren't afraid to speak up often we defer
Speaker 1: again to men, well, they might know more, they might
Speaker 1: know better. When you're in an all women workshop, you
Speaker 1: get honest communication and there's no fear of being better
Speaker 1: than or worse than somebody else. Interesting, all right, this
Speaker 1: is I think your catch players, which if he wants
Speaker 1: to tell me what your catchphrases, a man is not
Speaker 1: a financial plan. I love that. I mean I really did.
Speaker 1: I went to cal um and I graduated with so
Speaker 1: many young women who I really enjoyed. And again no judgment,
Speaker 1: but they decided that their plan was going to be
Speaker 1: that they were going to get married to somebody wealthy
Speaker 1: and they were going to be his wife. And if
Speaker 1: there Mrs Degree right, and some of them are doing great,
Speaker 1: and some of them have since divorced and have really realized,
Speaker 1: I mean, even if any big support checks, they've said,
Speaker 1: I'd so envy you. And if I had something to
Speaker 1: tell my twentiesomething year old self, it would be like,
Speaker 1: keep my toe in the work pond, continue to have something.
Speaker 1: Now my kids are at school, I got nothing to
Speaker 1: do all day, and I'm dependent on somebody else for
Speaker 1: my finances. That's true. Marrying Prince Charming can really backfire
Speaker 1: when it comes to divorce, because you've probably signed a
Speaker 1: prenuptial with Prince Charming that says what's his will be his.
Speaker 1: After the divorce, you've given up your earning power. You
Speaker 1: have perhaps accumulated some assets together, but not a lot,
Speaker 1: and your friends who took the career route are much
Speaker 1: better off than you are, even though they're not getting
Speaker 1: those big support checks. Sometimes we're paying the big support checks. Actually,
Speaker 1: that's frustrating to yes, Canadice, and I'd like to speak
Speaker 1: to that from a standpoint of somebody who's been married
Speaker 1: for more than forty years. We manage money together, but
Speaker 1: we also manage money separately because it's important, in my opinion,
Speaker 1: to be a partner, not a dependent. We also, in
Speaker 1: my career as a financial advisor working with people over
Speaker 1: the years, I've seen it where it's the opposite. The
Speaker 1: man is completely dependent on the woman. But what happens
Speaker 1: if somebody passes away. Even if you remain married for
Speaker 1: the rest of your life, you need to understand what
Speaker 1: is going on and have a foot in it. You
Speaker 1: don't have to do everything, but you do need to
Speaker 1: be able to ask the right questions. Absolutely so, just
Speaker 1: by the way for our listeners. Wife dot org was
Speaker 1: recently named one of the top five hundred financial sites
Speaker 1: by Online Investor. And you guys are the oldest nonprofit
Speaker 1: organization dedicated to providing financial education to women in their
Speaker 1: quest for financial independence. Because as they, as the ladies
Speaker 1: told us, they founded in a nine Okay, now, some
Speaker 1: questions about Second Saturday, which really is our topical for
Speaker 1: what we do here on All's fair? Um, Candice tell
Speaker 1: us what actually is Second Saturday and how is it
Speaker 1: helpful to women? Particularly? So as Janine and I worked together,
Speaker 1: we began to see that women needed to have the
Speaker 1: information about divorce. Divorce can be one of the largest
Speaker 1: financial transaction that a woman ever goes through, and you
Speaker 1: need to go through divorce in a rational logical way.
Speaker 1: Who are the farthest thing from being rational logic? So
Speaker 1: Janina said, how can we begin to work and help
Speaker 1: people to understand what divorce is because frankly, if you're
Speaker 1: contemplating divorce or in the earliest stages, that's the best
Speaker 1: time to figure out what you need to know. So
Speaker 1: Second Saturday is a workshop. We began it or more
Speaker 1: than thirty one years ago in San Diego, um. It
Speaker 1: covers the three major actually three and a half major
Speaker 1: areas in divorce. We go over the legal We typically
Speaker 1: have an attorney that speaks about the legal things. Can
Speaker 1: you do divorce yourself? How does divorce work? What is
Speaker 1: a litigated divorce? What are the processes that you go through?
Speaker 1: How much does it cost? Janita typically does the financial
Speaker 1: What happens to if if you want to stay in
Speaker 1: the house, can you divide the house? Can you should
Speaker 1: you sell the house? What about pension plans? We have
Speaker 1: a therapist talk about family, how to go through divorce
Speaker 1: in a in a reasonable and comfortable way, to make
Speaker 1: sure that your children are okay. And then we also
Speaker 1: talk about mediation. Our goal with Second Saturday is to
Speaker 1: give people the information that they need in a compassionate
Speaker 1: and comfortable arena where they can talk with other people.
Speaker 1: And here from the experts, our goal is not to
Speaker 1: do the divorce for them. It's to give them the
Speaker 1: resources that they need to have, including again what you've
Speaker 1: been doing, Laura, as an option for people who feel
Speaker 1: they want to go through divorce themselves. Amazing again, and
Speaker 1: so much of this really is just about feeling there's
Speaker 1: somebody there at the other end of the line, or
Speaker 1: to go, you know, speak with as Janita said, in person,
Speaker 1: is definitely better if possible. But just knowing that there's
Speaker 1: a community, that there's a safe place that people have
Speaker 1: been through before, divorce can be so isolating you feel
Speaker 1: scared and lonely. I've had people of all ages say
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm a failure. I just feel like
Speaker 1: I feel that that's so having, as you said, other
Speaker 1: people around who are not judging, who can who have
Speaker 1: either been through it or going through it, super super helpful.
Speaker 1: Janita tell us a little bit more about what Second
Speaker 1: Saturday offers. By the way, I've spoken at some of
Speaker 1: the ones at the Beverly Hills location on Saturdays, and
Speaker 1: my partner Samantha Client has as well, and the way
Speaker 1: that these women approach it and the appreciation is nothing
Speaker 1: feels better. I mean, any kind of pro bono stuff
Speaker 1: that I've done has always been huge, But really, I
Speaker 1: thank you both from the bottom of my heart for
Speaker 1: coming up with this, because I see at any level
Speaker 1: of wealth, how unbelievably scary it can be, and just
Speaker 1: having those workshops to go to is huge. But I
Speaker 1: I started talking over my own question tell us a
Speaker 1: little bit about what you guys offer at these Second Saturdays, please,
Speaker 1: I'd be I'd be happy to you know I What
Speaker 1: you said is absolutely correct, and what Second Saturday offers
Speaker 1: people more than anything else is a really solid place
Speaker 1: to stand because people know what they'd be getting out of.
Speaker 1: What they're not really sure of is what they'd be
Speaker 1: getting into. And I know that you're an attorney, but
Speaker 1: when you get right down to it, divorce isn't about
Speaker 1: the law. Divorce. This is about family, It's about emotion,
Speaker 1: and it's about money, and it's very very scary. People
Speaker 1: are uncertain of what happens next. We give them the
Speaker 1: information that they need to start making decisions. We get
Speaker 1: the uncertainty as much as we can out of their
Speaker 1: lives so that they can take the steps forward, whatever
Speaker 1: steps those are for them. As Candace said, we talk
Speaker 1: about the legal, the emotional, the financial aspects of divorce,
Speaker 1: ways to get things settled without going to court. And
Speaker 1: you know what, very often people leave going like, oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, I thought divorce was a solution, but it's
Speaker 1: just a whole another set of problems. I'm going to
Speaker 1: go home and work on my marriage. And they do absolutely.
Speaker 1: I see that too. Usually that realization doesn't come until
Speaker 1: I tell them what my retainer payment will be. But no,
Speaker 1: it's happening absolutely to people. I don't know that this
Speaker 1: is the norm, but that they find this freedom and
Speaker 1: it will be so much easier. It's hard, it's hard
Speaker 1: to get divorced, it's hard to stay married. You have
Speaker 1: to really decide what you want. And I think having
Speaker 1: a safe environment again with experience, people who have been
Speaker 1: through it who can give different perspectives, is huge. I
Speaker 1: see in my notes that UM the Flagship San Diego
Speaker 1: Workshop has helped over ten thousand women and that you've
Speaker 1: raised over four hundred thousand dollars for the San Diego
Speaker 1: community in the form scholarships and educational programs. How do
Speaker 1: you raise the funds? I know the second Saturday workshops
Speaker 1: are either low cost or no cost. Correct, that's right.
Speaker 1: It's forty five dollars for a workshop and that price
Speaker 1: has remained the same over the last thirty five years,
Speaker 1: so or thirty years, so you know, yeah, you know
Speaker 1: how much that is relative to getting on the legal
Speaker 1: train there and we then go through miracast to college.
Speaker 1: We give one third back to the community through scholarships
Speaker 1: and through other educational programs. We give one third back
Speaker 1: to Miracles to College and one third goes to fund
Speaker 1: our nonprofit Women's Institute for Financial Education. And you mentioned
Speaker 1: our acronym is wife dot org. I want to share
Speaker 1: a little bit we we came up with that concept
Speaker 1: a number of years ago in terms of every woman
Speaker 1: needs a wife. We've heard Glorious Steinham say that, And
Speaker 1: what we want to be for all women is that support,
Speaker 1: that sounding board, that partner to move them from fear,
Speaker 1: especially as they are going through divorce, to help them
Speaker 1: be more focused, to be determined, to be hopeful, and
Speaker 1: really finally to be empowered to make the decisions they
Speaker 1: need to make to make the best best choices for
Speaker 1: their family. So true, God, I need a wife. I
Speaker 1: thought Johnny was going to be my wife, but he
Speaker 1: decided to be somebody else's has more more of a
Speaker 1: side check. Yes, I've got a question for you, ladies
Speaker 1: in the post me too. You know of it all
Speaker 1: in the creation of your men's group. I'm just curious
Speaker 1: to know if you have noticed any differences in in
Speaker 1: the needs or the questions that come from the men's side.
Speaker 1: The male side of this conversation versus what you're hearing
Speaker 1: now in the female conversation post me too. Yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: The men's workshop is so different from the women's workshop.
Speaker 1: First of all, there's fewer people there because men don't
Speaker 1: tend to gather in groups and talk about things together.
Speaker 1: We also can't find it because they won't ask for directions.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to touch that one anyway. They've got
Speaker 1: our GPS. So anyway, in the in the women's one,
Speaker 1: you know, the women come in, they don't know each other,
Speaker 1: but by the time we have the first break there
Speaker 1: on a first name basis, they've been they know about
Speaker 1: each other. By the time the workshop is over, there
Speaker 1: leaving together to go have lunch with people that they
Speaker 1: didn't know coming in who are now their new best friends.
Speaker 1: And there's just a camaraderie there that that isn't present
Speaker 1: by and large in the men's workshop. In the men's workshop,
Speaker 1: the you could not have done a mathematical equation that
Speaker 1: would have gotten the men sitting in this room further
Speaker 1: away from each other. That's for starters, and then during
Speaker 1: the breaks, they're all turned away from each other with
Speaker 1: their backs to each other, talking on their cell phones
Speaker 1: or looking at their cell phones. Yet the interaction there
Speaker 1: is is not as as great as at the Women's
Speaker 1: As for the questions, the questions are very similar, that
Speaker 1: issues are very similar. And what we find a lot
Speaker 1: in our women's workshop is that there's plenty of women who,
Speaker 1: as you were saying, are paying alimony or faced with
Speaker 1: paying alimony. There's plenty of women who have the career
Speaker 1: and how long am I going to need to sup
Speaker 1: court my soon to be ex husband? So the issues
Speaker 1: are the same, and and and of course there's issues
Speaker 1: because in divorce, at best, you're going to end up
Speaker 1: with only half of what you had before. And that's
Speaker 1: the whatever is left after legal cost that's going to
Speaker 1: be divided in half, and that can be a problem. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: Um to our listeners, ladies, what other states, cities and
Speaker 1: states here and now? As I said, in addition to
Speaker 1: San Diego, obviously there is one in Los Angeles, Beverly Hills.
Speaker 1: Where else have you kind of expanded to so that
Speaker 1: they can come find you? So they can anybody who
Speaker 1: may be looking for a Second Saturday in their area
Speaker 1: can go to Second Saturday dot com and they'll be
Speaker 1: able to find where a local Second Saturday is and
Speaker 1: this is really important because there's the list are different
Speaker 1: in each state, so you really do want to have
Speaker 1: the information that is in your local area. And we
Speaker 1: now have more than one hundred twenty locations around the country,
Speaker 1: including the Los Angeles areas you said, the Beverly Hills area,
Speaker 1: UM Northern California, a lot on the East Coast, all
Speaker 1: around the country. We are very very careful to fet
Speaker 1: the people that we allow to run our Second Saturday programs.
Speaker 1: Janita and I have worked out over the years figured
Speaker 1: out a way to provide the content that we give
Speaker 1: to the people here in San Diego. To the other
Speaker 1: leaders that we have. They're highly qualified, and one of
Speaker 1: the things that really really resonates is that most of
Speaker 1: them have had experience with divorce, either their parents perhaps
Speaker 1: got divorced there, or perhaps they've experienced it themselves or
Speaker 1: their siblings, so they've had a personal act. So they're
Speaker 1: not just professionals in their field, high qualified, certified financial
Speaker 1: advisors or attorneys, but there are people who are compassionate
Speaker 1: and want to help AM Now, as a result of
Speaker 1: COVID nineteen, have you guys expanded to those of us
Speaker 1: who can't, well, all of us that can't leave the
Speaker 1: house during this time period. Yeah, it's very interesting times
Speaker 1: because we're all in this together. We're all in the
Speaker 1: same boat. And yes, we had our first and our
Speaker 1: first of many uh second Saturday workshops online this past Saturday.
Speaker 1: And I talked to a woman this morning who was
Speaker 1: on that call on Saturday. It was a zoom call,
Speaker 1: and she was so incredibly grateful to be able to
Speaker 1: get some information. She and her husband have been having
Speaker 1: marital issues. They're now separated. She's living in Hawaii, and
Speaker 1: she was like, I didn't know where to start. I'm
Speaker 1: ready to start a divorce and I didn't know what
Speaker 1: to do. And then I found out from a friend
Speaker 1: about this workshop that you were having online. She says it,
Speaker 1: before I was just floating. Now I really feel like
Speaker 1: I have some direction and I can take that direction.
Speaker 1: Once this COVID nineteen lockdown is complete, then I'll be
Speaker 1: able to move forward with some certainty in my life
Speaker 1: because we're all dealing with uncertainty and divorce. How's this
Speaker 1: going to Where is this going to end? We're dealing
Speaker 1: with uncertainty because of COVID nineteen, and where do we
Speaker 1: ever get out of the house again, and the courts
Speaker 1: are closed in many jurisdictions, so there's nothing you can do.
Speaker 1: It's it's paralyzing, and we're able to give people hope
Speaker 1: and looking forward to the future by being online. And
Speaker 1: I think that that's really a wave of the future,
Speaker 1: as you were talking about earlier. That's amazing, Candice. Yes,
Speaker 1: one thing what I'd like to is that I think
Speaker 1: COVID nineteen may add considerable additional stress. Two marriages that
Speaker 1: are already strained. They say there are two things that
Speaker 1: could happen. Either after we get out of this, divorces
Speaker 1: are going to explode, or we're going to see this
Speaker 1: baby boom, probably the two ends of the barbelt. Both
Speaker 1: of those things are going to happen. But you can
Speaker 1: imagine people who are already in a stressed relationship now
Speaker 1: are are going to experience being confined together. There's a
Speaker 1: total lack of freedom. You're going to have the day
Speaker 1: to day struggles that you've always had, but now you
Speaker 1: perhaps are adding on emotional and financial fallout of this,
Speaker 1: and it's going to take a toll on marriages. So again,
Speaker 1: we're not about advocating divorce or pushing people to divorce.
Speaker 1: We just know it's effect of life, and if people
Speaker 1: find themselves in that situation, they need to understand what
Speaker 1: their options are. And Second Saturday is there will be
Speaker 1: online next month likely we are making it Normally it's
Speaker 1: forty five dollars, which is a very reasonable bottle amount,
Speaker 1: and it goes back to charities and so on. But
Speaker 1: we're making it free as long as we're online. So
Speaker 1: just know that if you are in that situation and
Speaker 1: you want to know about your options, Second Saturday will
Speaker 1: be online and will be available, and you can just
Speaker 1: go to Second Saturday dot com and get the information
Speaker 1: about your local Second Saturday. So helpful and to the
Speaker 1: point of the fact that this time period with this
Speaker 1: COVID nineteen and all of us sheltering in place, can
Speaker 1: be so difficult and precipitate what could already be problems.
Speaker 1: Do you work with victims of domestic violence? That's the
Speaker 1: one thing that most of the courts are still open
Speaker 1: forward to some degree if there are DV issues and
Speaker 1: you need to go in on an next part day application.
Speaker 1: Is that beyond what you guys do. I know, it's
Speaker 1: beyond what we do. It it's over ezy. So what
Speaker 1: do you tell those visitors if they have real issue
Speaker 1: used as a result of what's happening now in their home. Yet,
Speaker 1: so we have we have some resources, attorneys who deal
Speaker 1: with those issues and therapists who can help them deal
Speaker 1: with those issues. Uh, those are the people who are
Speaker 1: usually at the in person sessions, and we can make
Speaker 1: referrals as necessary. It's not at Second Saturday. We really
Speaker 1: are the the person they can turn to, the where
Speaker 1: they can go to be guided along with whatever they need. Yes,
Speaker 1: and I know that we've had many users that it's
Speaker 1: over easy. Say I did a Second Saturday program. They're
Speaker 1: kind of helping me get through it their hand holding,
Speaker 1: But in terms of completing my forms, I came to
Speaker 1: you guys to get it all through and maybe getting
Speaker 1: some of the other resources. So we work well together.
Speaker 1: To the question, or to the point about the fact
Speaker 1: that Candice, you said, you know this, this will actually
Speaker 1: strengthen some relationships having to be together, having to deal
Speaker 1: with issues, deciding to you know, wait this out, um,
Speaker 1: and and certainly having to figure out things to do
Speaker 1: with each other when we're quarantined. What do you ladies
Speaker 1: feel is a more appropriate name for those teenagers that
Speaker 1: thirteen years from now are the results of the quarantine
Speaker 1: um appro creation. Do you like coronial or quarantines? Oh
Speaker 1: that I've never heard that. That's very creative. I'm sure
Speaker 1: somebody will will take those and run with them, you know,
Speaker 1: just to to speak to Second Saturday for people who
Speaker 1: are perhaps on the fence and trying to decide if
Speaker 1: they if divorce is appropriate or they really want to
Speaker 1: work on their relationship. As I said, I've been married
Speaker 1: for forty years. Every time I have either taught Second
Speaker 1: Saturday or been there as a lead, I've gone home
Speaker 1: and been really nice to my husband. Absolutely, it makes
Speaker 1: you appreciate what you've got, that's for sure. And what's
Speaker 1: your secret? What's what's the secret to success? Candice? I
Speaker 1: think I think we both respect each other and allowed
Speaker 1: each other to be in individuals, but we all know
Speaker 1: that we are partners for life and we're committed for life.
Speaker 1: And the truth is I married a really great guy.
Speaker 1: So if I hadn't married a really great guy, that
Speaker 1: would be a whole different thing. But he really is
Speaker 1: a very understanding and really respects that I have expertise
Speaker 1: in the divorce area too. So maybe he's afraid. Danita,
Speaker 1: who was the first person you met in Sandy, said,
Speaker 1: Candice was the second. Who was the first person you
Speaker 1: met when you got there. The first person was a
Speaker 1: fellow who was the the PR person for an investment
Speaker 1: company here in San Diego. And he said, Oh, I
Speaker 1: met a woman at lunch the other day. You and
Speaker 1: she would be perfect. Let me introduce you. And and yeah,
Speaker 1: I am eternally grateful. Candice Injeneta, thank you for joining
Speaker 1: us today. Ann's fair to speak with us about the
Speaker 1: important work you guys are doing across the country at
Speaker 1: wife dot org and the workshops are producing for Second Saturday.
Speaker 1: Thank you also for your Instagram post at Second Saturday
Speaker 1: Divorce workshops and to recap. Will you guys please tell
Speaker 1: everyone where we can find you both online and how
Speaker 1: a professional and our audience might start an in person
Speaker 1: workshop in their own community. For you guys, that's great,
Speaker 1: Thank you. We'd love to talk to qualified professionals as
Speaker 1: well as get the information out for anybody who needs
Speaker 1: the workshops online. You can find us at Second Saturday
Speaker 1: dot com, or you can also find just general information
Speaker 1: at our nonprofit Women's Institute for Financial Education. Which is
Speaker 1: wife w I f E dot org. Don't go to
Speaker 1: white dot com. You think that's an X rated site.
Speaker 1: Wrong side any no affiliation with us? When you do,
Speaker 1: go to second Saturday dot com. If you're looking for
Speaker 1: a workshop that you can go to, you can click
Speaker 1: on find a workshop and if you are somebody who
Speaker 1: is a professional and would like to start a workshop
Speaker 1: in your area, you will also see a button you
Speaker 1: can click and and be put in touch with people
Speaker 1: who can who can help you through that process. And
Speaker 1: do you want to tell them about how they can
Speaker 1: become members of wife dot org. Just in terms of
Speaker 1: sending in a deductible contribute, Yes, wife dot org is
Speaker 1: a five or one C three charitable organization, so everything
Speaker 1: you give us is tax deductible. You can use the
Speaker 1: resources there for free, but we do operate based on
Speaker 1: contributions that we receive. And you at wife dot org
Speaker 1: you will find a button that you can click if
Speaker 1: you'd like to give us a dollar membership and you
Speaker 1: can sign up right there, give us credit card information
Speaker 1: and become a member of wife dot org. And Jonita,
Speaker 1: do you want to tell people how they can contact
Speaker 1: you directly if they have some financial planning work if
Speaker 1: they if they need help with divorce or other financial transitions,
Speaker 1: they can get hold of me directly. It's g wall
Speaker 1: at plan for Wealth dot com. So ge wall at
Speaker 1: plan for wealth dot com. Perfect. Thank you both so
Speaker 1: much for being here with us today. You are doing
Speaker 1: good work, guys. I am impressed and appreciative as members
Speaker 1: of our community, so thank you you. You're showing everybody
Speaker 1: the way. Thank you so much. We thank being here
Speaker 1: great having you ladies. Thank you