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Speaker 1: I never told you protection of iHeartRadio. And today we're

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Speaker 1: bringing back a classic. We don't normally bring back a

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Speaker 1: classic this young, as they say, because this was about

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Speaker 1: a year ago. We released this It's a feminist movie

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Speaker 1: Friday on Everything, Everywhere, All at Once, which you probably

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Speaker 1: heard was the big winner at the ninety fifth Oscars

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Speaker 1: very briefly because it was some history made that night.

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Speaker 1: So this movie won Best Film, Editing, Best Original Screenplay,

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Speaker 1: And then Michelle Yo made history as the first Asian

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Speaker 1: woman to win Best Actress, and I did want to

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Speaker 1: of addressed agism and in sexism in Hollywood and said, ladies,

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Speaker 1: don't let anybody tell you you were ever pass your prime.

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Speaker 1: Never give up. And this has gotten better, but not

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Speaker 1: And there were a lot of pretty great, pretty great

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Speaker 1: all these awards and accolades. So beautiful it was, it was,

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Speaker 1: and it's a beautiful movie, so we hope you enjoy

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Speaker 1: this classic episode. Hey, this is Annie Aunt Samantha. I

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Speaker 1: So it is time for this month's edition of Feminist

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Speaker 1: Movie Friday. It is going to be slightly different. First

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Speaker 1: of all, it comes with a spoiler alert because we're

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Speaker 1: since we're talking in detail. Yeah, yes, but it's still

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Speaker 1: I was beyond excited to see this movie, really excited

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Speaker 1: coming into it knowing it was celebrated, not celebrated enough. Apparently.

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00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 1: rejects her. That's the Michelle Yo movie Star universe. And

424
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 1: one where she stabs her universe is Waymond, almost persuaded

425
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:32,680
Speaker 1: by Joe Boutapaki to follow her and to the Everything

426
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:36,359
Speaker 1: Bagel and Yeah. She approaches the Everything Bagel with Joe Buotepaki,

427
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:39,440
Speaker 1: but is stopped by Wayman's calls her peace for kindness

428
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 1: like basically like stop, what are we doing? Evelyn decides

429
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:47,399
Speaker 1: to fight like Waymond, as she says, and finds the

430
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 1: thing that all of her opponents need or desire and

431
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 1: gives it to them from BDSM two promises of love

432
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 1: to pain relief, stuff she has gleaned from her multiverse knowledge.

433
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 1: She helps save Kakooney. There's a universe where both she

434
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:10,119
Speaker 1: and Joe Buchepaki are yes, both rocks and they bond. Apparently,

435
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:13,640
Speaker 1: according to Joe Buchepaki, most universes are like this, as

436
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 1: in no life Ever happened because the conditions weren't correct

437
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,919
Speaker 1: in an alternate universe. She confronts Gong Gong and tells

438
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 1: her why she loves her daughter, how she won't do

439
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 1: the same thing to her daughter that he did to her,

440
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 1: and introduces Becky as Joy's girlfriend. Joy storms off, upsets

441
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 1: deer Dress, shows up with the police. Evelyn signs of

442
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 1: the divorce papers and breaks the window open the laundromat

443
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:44,399
Speaker 1: and it's put in handcuffs. However, Wayman tells Deirdre about

444
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 1: the divorce and she orders the police to let Evelyn go.

445
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,879
Speaker 1: Deirdre gives them a week to redo their taxes, and

446
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 1: Deirdre and Evelyn bond Dear Drew revealing how she reacted

447
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:56,679
Speaker 1: to her own divorce, and that's one of my very

448
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 1: favorite scenes in the whole movie. Yeah, yeah, if you're confused,

449
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,680
Speaker 1: like she Dear Edred had given them until six pm

450
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,640
Speaker 1: that night to turn in their taxis and they never did,

451
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,640
Speaker 1: and then she calls angryness like to not even show up,

452
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,639
Speaker 1: and then Evelyn said something very rude to her, and

453
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 1: then she showed up with Dear Dred showed up with

454
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:18,920
Speaker 1: the police, and it escalated very quickly. Yes. Yeah. So

455
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:23,200
Speaker 1: Evelyn goes after Joy and tells her that despite everything,

456
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,399
Speaker 1: she would always choose to be here with her, no

457
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 1: matter all the other universes, and that she would cherish

458
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:33,640
Speaker 1: every spec of time and meaning they found together, and yeah,

459
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 1: I do really love that. But also there's a moment

460
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 1: where she's just watching Wayman and seeing what he does

461
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 1: and watching everything he does and realizing that it is

462
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 1: not bad. Yeah, it's very sweet. Yeah. And then we

463
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 1: also see Grandpa having a moment of confusion and acceptance.

464
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 1: That was interesting, but that was also one again, like

465
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 1: you were saying earlier, one of the pushes is that

466
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 1: he had pretty much disowned her ye because she refused

467
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 1: to follow his advice and his the parents advice, and

468
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 1: so he pretty much cut her off until he got

469
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 1: sick and had to move in with her and all that.

470
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 1: They hug and next we see them. The family seems

471
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 1: to be healing as they return to the I R.

472
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 1: S Office, driven by Becky, who Evelyn informs needs to

473
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 1: grow out her hair because it's too short. Obviously. Um.

474
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 1: Evelyn kisses Wayman during their meeting with dear Dress. She

475
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 1: is distracted for a moment about all the union verses

476
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 1: but pulls back focusing on the moment end. Yes, yes,

477
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 1: and there was a fake out ending. Yeah, there was

478
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 1: a couple of fake out endings, like she died and

479
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 1: that was the end of it, and then she wakes

480
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 1: up in the movie theater. Yeah. Yeah, so that was

481
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 1: the actual end um. And yes, it is very visually arresting,

482
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 1: very like there are a lot of dildos, but costuming

483
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 1: is amazing. It's being creative, like it's a it's an

484
00:29:56,000 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 1: experience for the senses. Definitely. Yeah, lots of play on

485
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 1: things I do. Once again, like I feel like Wayman's

486
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 1: character was specific to bring the child light portion into it,

487
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 1: whether it's the googly eyes again, whether it's the Fannie pack,

488
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 1: any of those things. Obviously he's the one that's asking

489
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 1: for a divorce, but he's that kind of the one

490
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 1: that pulls her back to the reality and she pulls

491
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 1: Joy with her. Yeah. Yeah, I mean that's sort of

492
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 1: how they got the end. When Joy Joe would thak

493
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 1: he was like trying to get into the everything bagel,

494
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 1: Evelyn was holding her back, Wayman was holding Evelyn back,

495
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 1: and then Gong Gong was holding Wayman back. So it

496
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 1: took all of them to bring her back. It's pretty good.

497
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 1: It's pretty good. So some themes, again, like, there's so

498
00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 1: much written about this movie, so we're just gonna touch

499
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 1: some stuff. But there's so much out there and if

500
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 1: you want to read it, I recommend it a lot

501
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 1: of it's very heartwarming. Yeah, So a big one is yes,

502
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 1: the mother daughter relationship, which is fascinating because we have

503
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 1: been talking about this whole lot lately. Right, And I

504
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 1: even saw an article before we decided to do this movie,

505
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 1: so I haven't I wasn't able to find it again,

506
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 1: but I saw an article that was like the newest

507
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 1: trend in Hollywood, parents apologizing to their children, especially in

508
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 1: the context of multigenerational immigrant families in Western countries. So

509
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 1: we talked about that with Turning Red. We talked about

510
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 1: a little bit when we did our touch on Conto,

511
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 1: but it has definitely been a thing lately for sure,

512
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 1: Right And I wonder, like, of obviously the people who

513
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 1: came out going, I was sobbing. No one warn me.

514
00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 1: Why didn't you tell me that I would be ugly

515
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 1: crying because I didn't want to be in public crying

516
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 1: like this. But I wonder if things like this, for

517
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 1: movies like this as well as Turning Red, as well

518
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 1: as in Encanto. It's really therapeutic for the families to

519
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 1: see it because maybe they have not gotten it and

520
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 1: wish for it. And that's what part that the writers

521
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 1: are pouring into, because they themselves are experiencing and wishing

522
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 1: for that, and they know how universal it is. And

523
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 1: though we're looking at a world of so many things,

524
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 1: what we see is an attack on female relationships a

525
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 1: lot of times anyway, when we see this whole undermining

526
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 1: of women altogether and those who identify as women in general,

527
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 1: like it is an obvious thing. Maybe this is such

528
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 1: an open spot that this is how people are ringing

529
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 1: it out therapeutically by the relationships that they have. And

530
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 1: I hope it's true. I hope this is exactly what

531
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 1: it is, especially right now in the queer community. It's

532
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 1: like a double whammy of trying to find acceptance in

533
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 1: the world, hoping to find set us with those who

534
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 1: love them the most, those who've raised them whatever it

535
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 1: may be, whether they are trans or coming out or

536
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 1: any of those things. That this is such a raw

537
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 1: moment in time that it has become bigger and bigger

538
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 1: and bigger, and since the first I don't know who

539
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 1: would be our first as of recent that has decided

540
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 1: to jump into the mother daughter relationship, I don't know,

541
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 1: but since that has been realized, oh oh this is needed,

542
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 1: This is the therapy people are needing. Yeah, well, I

543
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 1: got a lot of thoughts about that number one. As

544
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 1: you know, I am working on an episode for my

545
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 1: birthday that is no surprise about Star Wars. But I

546
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 1: have a whole theory about what you're talking about about,

547
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 1: like people trying to like writing this thing and basically

548
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 1: trying to provide themselves therapy. But that doesn't mean it's

549
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 1: like not useful because people a lot of people experience

550
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 1: those things and that's how we connect through these stories.

551
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 1: And then I forgot to mention like Benda's like Beckham

552
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 1: also had something like this going on. Yeah, so it's

553
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 1: been around. It's not like it's new. I just think

554
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 1: it's right now super popular. But also last night I

555
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 1: watched Miss Marvel, which is one of my very favorite comics,

556
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 1: and it had a similar thing. I was like, what's

557
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 1: happening here? It is it's such anerational thing, like the

558
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 1: not that Father's sons are not important, but we've kind

559
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 1: of gone passed to what is happening now with the

560
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:27,880
Speaker 1: ladies at the women who are struggling. We're being attacked

561
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 1: from all ages. What's the what's the way maybe we

562
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 1: feel a little more safe if we had that bond

563
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 1: here we go? Right yeah, yeah, oh gosh, I think

564
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about this in an upcoming book club.

565
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:45,240
Speaker 1: But also just sort of the way we as women

566
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:47,800
Speaker 1: can hurt other women, right yeah, which is something I

567
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 1: do want to talk about in a second. But also

568
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 1: I did find it interesting because I didn't really put

569
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:53,959
Speaker 1: this together, but one of the articles I was reading

570
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 1: pointed out that in all of the other universes we

571
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 1: see other than the awful one, Evelyn doesn't have joy.

572
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 1: It's only in those two that you see it. And

573
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 1: so it's sort of like the mirror of you pushed

574
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 1: her too hard, you pushed her towards this, and then

575
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 1: this sort of I don't want to say normal. The

576
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:20,360
Speaker 1: onely the Evelyn we are going through the story with

577
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 1: her universe, she has that moment of like pulling her

578
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 1: back and stopping pushing. So I thought that was really interesting.

579
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 1: There was that whole thing of like Joy tells Becky.

580
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 1: Evelyn has this thing of like, if she criticizes you,

581
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 1: it's how she shows she cares. Right, So when she

582
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 1: says Joy is getting fat, it's a way of showing

583
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 1: she cares. At the end, when she says, Becky, you

584
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:47,840
Speaker 1: need to cut your hair short, is supposed to be

585
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 1: a way of showing she cares. But that's also like,

586
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 1: I feel like that's come up a lot. And these

587
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 1: stories too have sort of the critical maternal figure, whether

588
00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 1: it's the grandmother or the mother, but or both um

589
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 1: sort of the criticism that is often a push to

590
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 1: do better, to be that everything Bagel, to go out

591
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 1: and be more than I I was right. Yeah, I

592
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 1: mean there's definitely that conversation of yeah, I don't want

593
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 1: this life for you, my life for you. I want

594
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:19,959
Speaker 1: you to have your life, which again is a bigger

595
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 1: conversation about it. And I mean we've seen it culturally,

596
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 1: we've seen it being talked about, especially in Asian cultures,

597
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,320
Speaker 1: that being a thing, you know, to the point that

598
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 1: became a stereotype obviously, but I think it is interesting. Yeah,

599
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:39,280
Speaker 1: that the whole criticism. I always say, from my perspective,

600
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 1: if I'm not making fun of you. That means I

601
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 1: don't love you, which it's like, oh, that's probably not

602
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,400
Speaker 1: a good thing. But at the same time, like I

603
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 1: show loved by hmm, being a jack sometimes sometimes I

604
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:53,879
Speaker 1: think for you though, I mean a lot of friends

605
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 1: do that where you feel comfortable enough like teasing them right.

606
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 1: Family can be so tricky and so confrind so, but

607
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,359
Speaker 1: I feel like in friendships a lot of times, as

608
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:06,359
Speaker 1: long as it's within good nature and not that sort

609
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 1: of toxic, backhanded friendship stuff, then yeah, it's funny. It's

610
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:13,760
Speaker 1: fun too. I did hear they were going to remove

611
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 1: calling Jenny Slate's character big Nose from the digital version

612
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 1: because of negative Jewish stereotypes, but it was still in

613
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 1: it when I watched it, so I don't know. Really, yeah,

614
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie. That one made me go, uh

615
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 1: so this was I don't understand who wrote this and

616
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 1: thought it was okay. I haven't seen any complaints about it,

617
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:37,320
Speaker 1: necessarily by individuals, but yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean I

618
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 1: also when I was watching, I was like, woof, But

619
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 1: I hadn't heard that until I was researching it. So

620
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 1: we'll see, Pep'll see how that goes to a lesser extent.

621
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a huge part of the movie. It's

622
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:51,760
Speaker 1: just not the main focus is Evelyn's relationship with her father,

623
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 1: and as we've kind of been talking about about how

624
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:59,360
Speaker 1: her father disowned Evelyn because she wanted to be with

625
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:04,280
Speaker 1: Wayman and how that impacts Evelyn and how she treats

626
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 1: Joy and how she wants Tory to act around Gongong

627
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:13,400
Speaker 1: sort of this whole cyclical mess. The language barrier between

628
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 1: Joy and Gongong is a pretty big factor throughout this Also,

629
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 1: every time I watch it, the line I'm sorry, it's

630
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 1: a girl when Evelyn is born catches my attention. Oh yeah, yeah,

631
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 1: and then yeah, I mean you see throughout the movie

632
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 1: you see kind of flashbacks of Evelyn being young and

633
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 1: Joy being young, and they're very similar in a lot

634
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:41,240
Speaker 1: of ways. But definitely Gongong pushed Evelyn really really hard

635
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:44,840
Speaker 1: and critiqued her very very hard, and she rebelled just

636
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 1: like Joy. And at the end Evelyn tells Gongog like

637
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:52,399
Speaker 1: she's just like her mother. Also, yeah, like we said,

638
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 1: the kind of putting all of your hopes and dreams

639
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 1: into a child and everything Bagel like putting everything on there,

640
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 1: and it sort of collapses in on itself. And so

641
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 1: when this is going to sound was strange if you

642
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 1: haven't seen it. But when Joyce shows evil in the

643
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 1: everything she does sort of like this church church people

644
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 1: like the fingered church thing. Yeah, that finger trick that

645
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 1: young kids would do. Be like, look, this is like

646
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 1: a vagina. Uh. And so that's why when I was

647
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 1: watching it, I was like, it does kind of look

648
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 1: like that. And then I was like, this is like

649
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 1: birthing of universes? And am I reading too deep on it?

650
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 1: I couldn't find anything about it, but I feel like

651
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:33,359
Speaker 1: they knew what they were doing. Sounds about right, yeah,

652
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 1: And then I couldn't really find I saw this article

653
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 1: and I read it. I skimmed through it probably a

654
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:41,840
Speaker 1: month or so ago, and it was about the drudgery

655
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 1: of motherhood and how this movie does a really good

656
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 1: job of kind of capturing the days where you're you

657
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:51,800
Speaker 1: are thinking like I wish I was in another universe

658
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 1: where I just wasn't my life, But it also does

659
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 1: capture really well the like importance of the days where

660
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 1: you don't wish that. And there's a great interview I

661
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 1: think with MPR MICHELLEO did where she's like the superpower

662
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 1: of her is she's a mom and she's running this

663
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 1: business and she's in this relishion like all the stuff

664
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 1: she's doing. So I thought that was interesting. I think

665
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:14,879
Speaker 1: basically what people were saying is it was a really,

666
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 1: like you said, realistic portrayal of sort of all the

667
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 1: stuff a lot of us have to do. And I'm

668
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:25,840
Speaker 1: not even a mom, but like just that everyday stuff

669
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 1: and adding the mom and the business and all that

670
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 1: stuff to it. Yeah. Right, But yes, as this comes out,

671
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:36,320
Speaker 1: it is Pride month, and so we did want to

672
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 1: talk about queer relationships, and you know, the big one

673
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 1: is between Joy and Becky, who again have been dating

674
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 1: for three years and they're very very sweet together, and

675
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 1: we get to see Becky being very supportive of Joy.

676
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:51,359
Speaker 1: I'm assuming Joy is very supportive Becky, but that's sort

677
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 1: of not what we're getting to see in this family

678
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 1: drama part that we're sing Yeah, and they're you know,

679
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 1: Joy's trying to like, you know, we've been dating long enough, Ken,

680
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 1: I bring Becky to this party as my girlfriend, not

681
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 1: my friend. Is at the heart of a lot of

682
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 1: the drama that we see in this particular universe. Yeah,

683
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 1: I'm trying to keep track of all of the universes here,

684
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 1: but yeah, yeah, right, it's obviously a big part of

685
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 1: the acceptance that she feels like she's not enough for

686
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 1: her mother already and then not accepting her a big

687
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 1: part of her life or relationship with the love of

688
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: her life. So yeah, it was definitely a big key

689
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:37,800
Speaker 1: point kind of the push as of like, if you

690
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 1: don't accept me, this might be over. It felt like

691
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 1: a finalized this or that type of moment, including with

692
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:46,760
Speaker 1: a bagel, Like I think it's like, that's a bigger picture,

693
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 1: and then the smaller picture was this relationship in my

694
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 1: acceptance and your acceptance of my family, and part of

695
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 1: that acceptance is acknowledging this. It's it is, it's a

696
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 1: relationship and it's for real. Yeah. Yeah, And I love

697
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 1: the bit at the end where she she Evilyn looks

698
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 1: at Wayman is like the universe was kind enough to

699
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 1: grant us someone who was patient and loving, and that's

700
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 1: I thought that was very sweet. That part does make

701
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 1: me kind of nervous though, just because like coming out

702
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 1: to family, because Joy keeps trying to get away and

703
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 1: she's like, no, we're finally gonna tell Gongog, which I

704
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:22,320
Speaker 1: totally get because in the beginning, Joy was like, we

705
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:25,319
Speaker 1: have to tell Gongong. But I was just like, oh,

706
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 1: this is tense right moment. I don't know what the

707
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 1: best way to good to do it would have. I mean,

708
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 1: if Joy would have done it, or if it was

709
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:38,400
Speaker 1: too late, I'm not sure because it felt like Evelyn

710
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 1: was like, no, I'm putting the I'm standing up for you.

711
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say it. I'm gonna tell my father what's what?

712
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 1: And Joy was like, oh gosh, please don't do this right,

713
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 1: not at my expense. And also there is this line

714
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 1: when Evelyn realizes that Joe Butapaki is Joy. She views

715
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:01,800
Speaker 1: it as like Joy's being possessed and she says to

716
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:04,359
Speaker 1: job Chiaki like, is that why she thinks she's gay?

717
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 1: So that was she had a long way to go

718
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 1: and understanding her daughter and her depression and her queerness

719
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 1: and all of that, which I think is a lot

720
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 1: a lot of people do think that way, whether it's

721
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 1: depression or queener or what. But like, that's something almost

722
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 1: possessing you, Like, that's not my joy, right, but it is.

723
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:27,839
Speaker 1: And also I just had to mention I do really

724
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 1: love the Hot Dog Universe relationship between her and Dear Jo.

725
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:35,280
Speaker 1: I think it's super sweet. I love that. In the beginning,

726
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:38,279
Speaker 1: her weird, her strange things she had to do, was

727
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:41,399
Speaker 1: like tell Dietrich she loved her and mean it. She's like, never,

728
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:43,759
Speaker 1: there's nothing to love in the At the end, Dear

729
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:46,879
Speaker 1: just says, well, that's just how it is. Stone cold

730
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 1: bitches make the world go around. We're unlovable and everyone's like,

731
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 1: there's always something to love, and then they smoke we together.

732
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 1: I love that part. It's so cute. Yeah, the relationship

733
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 1: they had was nice. The hot Dog fingers was disturbing

734
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 1: because they eat each other's fingers, Like that's the moment

735
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 1: comes out, ketchup comes out. M There's something so disturbing

736
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 1: about that. The relationship was beautiful and sweet, and it's

737
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 1: sad when Dada leeveser, but then comes back and that

738
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 1: comes happy. But yeah, the sexy moments were of them

739
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:27,800
Speaker 1: eating each other's fingers. Yeah, and I uh, I'm not

740
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:32,359
Speaker 1: gonna lie made me uncomfortable. More uncomfortable than the butt

741
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 1: plugs scene. Yeah, yeah, interesting, which is nothing wrong with

742
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:39,800
Speaker 1: butt plugs, but it was quite I'm I'm more like

743
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 1: that would hurt so bad because it was like a

744
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:45,279
Speaker 1: running can painful. Also, they did it with their pants on,

745
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 1: and I can't imagine exactly that is comfortable. Oh no, no, no, no,

746
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 1: because I had to go through jeans and underwear. Anybody

747
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 1: who's listening to this as it sh Yeah, yeah, that

748
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:08,879
Speaker 1: gets me every time because it's a running jump cannonball situation. Yeah.

749
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 1: There's also as we've been talking about, and we talked

750
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 1: about this even with Bridget in our Sex in the

751
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 1: City episode, which I love. This whole theme of like

752
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 1: depression and the meaning of life. It keeps coming up.

753
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 1: Jobu Jipaki keeps saying nothing means anything, nothing matters, but

754
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 1: Evelyn arrives. It's sort of the opposite conclusion that everything matters,

755
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 1: like even the tiny because Joe Jipaki keeps saying, we

756
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 1: get maybe for lucky specs to have any meaning, and

757
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 1: Evelyn arrives at the meaning that like, then I will

758
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 1: treasure every of those specs and it all matters instead

759
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:48,399
Speaker 1: of nothing matters, which is very sweet. It's interesting because

760
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 1: I kind of have a similar viewpoint where I'm like, yeah,

761
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 1: nothing matters, but it does matter. At the same time,

762
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:57,479
Speaker 1: I don't know if that makes sense, but no, it does. Yeah,

763
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:01,879
Speaker 1: that's the expidential crisis to it all, which this movie

764
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 1: is very much bad. I didn't mention that it is

765
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 1: right right. And then through out there is this kind

766
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:12,360
Speaker 1: of running three point of everyone missing the point. She

767
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 1: keeps almost getting where her daughter is coming from, but

768
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 1: missing it. Like there's a scene where she's like, I

769
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 1: know you have these feelings inside. I know you feel

770
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,279
Speaker 1: like you'll never do that whatever, I will be Joe

771
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:28,320
Speaker 1: bu Chapaki like. But at the end she does get it.

772
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 1: She arrives at it, and it's they've just been looking

773
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 1: for connection and understanding. Yeah. Right, she arrives at it

774
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 1: because she arrives at her own feelings instead of projecting.

775
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:40,799
Speaker 1: And that's the big key. I actually, here's a quote

776
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 1: from Noel Webster at the Tricycle. They say, everything everywhere,

777
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 1: all at once. Is not a movie about how to

778
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 1: save the world. It's about understanding how to be a

779
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 1: part of it. Amidst the mayhem, the film seems grounded

780
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 1: in its core message about the importance of human connection

781
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 1: and cultivating compassion for all beings throughout our confusing in

782
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 1: permanent lives. Evelyn doesn't arrive at these truths immediately. It

783
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:11,360
Speaker 1: takes a few action packed trips across the multiverse first,

784
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 1: But as she learns to cherish even the most mundane

785
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 1: moments of time with her family, so does the audience. Yeah,

786
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:20,839
Speaker 1: that's sort of what you were talking about when she's

787
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:25,320
Speaker 1: like remembering all these things wayman does, right, Yeah, I

788
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 1: should have judged that. That's yeah, I mean, it definitely

789
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:32,279
Speaker 1: is one of those moments of going through all the

790
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 1: versions of him and her trying to pick out which

791
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:36,799
Speaker 1: one she would have rather been with than not been

792
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:40,760
Speaker 1: with U. It's interesting to see and then her pushing

793
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:42,919
Speaker 1: back like nothing matters, because she comes to that point

794
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 1: she's like, it doesn't matter, this doesn't matter, nothing matters.

795
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 1: I'll tell you everything ends badly, And he's the one

796
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:51,279
Speaker 1: that's like, no, but that's not true. Even if it

797
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:53,799
Speaker 1: wasn't great, I would still want to not do great

798
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:58,799
Speaker 1: things with you. Yeah, laundry and taxes. We're gonna talk

799
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 1: more about that in a minute. There's also this whole

800
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:18,359
Speaker 1: thing of Michelle Yo being an untraditional superhero because she's

801
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 1: an older Asian woman who's quite unconventional in her skills.

802
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:25,720
Speaker 1: Superhero origin story in this movie, and she's kind of everything.

803
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:30,439
Speaker 1: She's strong and weak, focused and lost all at once. Yeah,

804
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 1: and she gets to really shine, she gets to as

805
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 1: an actor, she gets to really showcase her skills. It's awesome.

806
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:40,720
Speaker 1: She doesn't win all the awards. I might be upset.

807
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 1: I know it's pretty early this season to say this,

808
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:48,359
Speaker 1: but I'm just saying. I'm just saying. And then there

809
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 1: is the whole theme of Asian American identity cultural divide.

810
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 1: Because Evelyn immigrated to the US as an adult, Joy

811
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 1: was born in the US, and we see this divide

812
00:48:57,160 --> 00:49:01,239
Speaker 1: in small and large moments throughout, perhaps most clearly in language. Yeah.

813
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:04,759
Speaker 1: I think it's really interesting because it's very representative of

814
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:07,880
Speaker 1: the first generation family as well. You'll see the new

815
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 1: children who come here are acclimated. They often can't speak.

816
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 1: And then we talked about this in Crying and h

817
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:18,400
Speaker 1: Mart can't speak their parents' native language and they can understand,

818
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 1: which I ran into and I didn't realize was a thing.

819
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 1: In my mind. It was only adoptees who have not

820
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:30,319
Speaker 1: been around it. And watching these generational kids of immigrants

821
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 1: or refugees and sitting there saying, yeah, I'm taking they

822
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 1: were taking Korean with me because they couldn't speak Korean,

823
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:40,400
Speaker 1: they could understand it, and I found that fascinating too.

824
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 1: It I was like, really, because they were trying so

825
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 1: hard to assimilate into the country and not wanting to

826
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:51,320
Speaker 1: be a foreigner slash an outsider. But it is. It's

827
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 1: very representative of that in a hole. Yeah. Yeah, And

828
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 1: there again are many great articles about that specific aspect

829
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 1: of this movie as well. Here is one quote from

830
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:06,360
Speaker 1: Very Well Mind. Navigating between two cultures while never feeling

831
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 1: completely at home and either is referred to as a

832
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 1: culturation stress, and it can lead to a number of

833
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:15,840
Speaker 1: negative consequences. Leaning Lamb, PhD. Lecture and counseling psychology at

834
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:19,239
Speaker 1: Santa Clara University notes that a culturation stress results in

835
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:23,320
Speaker 1: a pervasive sense of not being understood, feeling invalidated, feeling invisible,

836
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:25,759
Speaker 1: of feeling like you have to constantly hide a part

837
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:29,280
Speaker 1: of yourself. This can result in an unstable sense of identity,

838
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:31,920
Speaker 1: as well as feelings of guilt and shame, which in

839
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 1: turn can lead to mental health challenges including depression, anxiety,

840
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 1: and suicidality. In Everything, Everywhere, the multiple identities assumed by

841
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 1: Jobu Tapaki throughout the movie, including a salsa dancer, a

842
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:46,359
Speaker 1: tennis pro, and a multiversal goddess, could be seen as

843
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 1: a metaphor for the way Joy has learned to move

844
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:51,719
Speaker 1: between cultures, even as her anger and sadness indicates that

845
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 1: she isn't happy in any of them. So this was

846
00:50:55,280 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 1: a whole article about the like it was about the right.

847
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:04,400
Speaker 1: That's amazing. But I think, you know, that has a

848
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 1: lot to be said about the way that we don't

849
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:10,880
Speaker 1: get enough representation and when we get it, we see it.

850
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 1: And this is one of those moments. And I say

851
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 1: we as in an Asian person living in the US.

852
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:17,920
Speaker 1: I am technically Asian American. I guess in a way

853
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 1: I wasn't born in the US or whatever. But all

854
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 1: of that to say is there's so much too that

855
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 1: whatever if you look different in general from the quote

856
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:33,920
Speaker 1: unquote norm of what that culture seems to be representing whatnot,

857
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 1: there's a lot to be said in the underlying basis

858
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:40,440
Speaker 1: of trying to assimilate under the pressures of once against

859
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 1: societal norms. And yeah, I think this is even better

860
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 1: when talking about a family of refugees coming through and

861
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 1: trying to hold onto their identity at the same time

862
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 1: find their own identity, and yeah, this movie was for

863
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:56,320
Speaker 1: her trying to seek all of that, but trying to

864
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:59,279
Speaker 1: please her family as well, but just wanting to give

865
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 1: up not caring. But it's hard not to care, and

866
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:06,400
Speaker 1: it makes you feel guilty so many things, everything everywhere.

867
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 1: There is plenty of Thuy racism throughout the movie against

868
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 1: Evelyn and her family, and also very clear signs that

869
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 1: Evelyn doesn't feel like she's been totally accepted into the community.

870
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 1: Also interesting with Waymond being both the sweet, goofy fanny

871
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:28,919
Speaker 1: pack wearing kind of emasculated husband and the alpha versus

872
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 1: jumping version and the actor again very great interview I

873
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:34,960
Speaker 1: read with him saying like it was such like he

874
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 1: never thought as a fifty year old I believe somewhere

875
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 1: near fifty he would get to be because he's like

876
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 1: the suave business person in one he's the action star

877
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 1: and one he's the like husband and one which I love.

878
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:54,240
Speaker 1: I love. Yeah, his characters were so good, so diverse,

879
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 1: and when he did pop up as like in the Tuxedo,

880
00:52:56,719 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 1: I was like, oh wait, hello, Yes, and he he

881
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:03,880
Speaker 1: did like he studied from what I read, he studied

882
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 1: different animals, and he's like, I wanted it to be

883
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:09,400
Speaker 1: clear which Waymand we were dealing with based on the

884
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 1: way he moved and talked, and I was like, yeah,

885
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 1: you did it, did it? Did so good? He did

886
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:19,360
Speaker 1: so good, so good. And speaking of this leads us

887
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 1: to our kind of fine old thing that I had

888
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 1: to include and you'll see what so I know, oh gosh.

889
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:29,320
Speaker 1: So there is throughout like kindness and the importance of

890
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:33,239
Speaker 1: kindness and Waymand kind of being the one who is

891
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:37,320
Speaker 1: like all about that. And at first it's something Evelyn

892
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 1: sees is either our weakness or like he's just making

893
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:45,359
Speaker 1: things more difficult for her, like he's not. She doesn't

894
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:48,920
Speaker 1: understand why he brings missddre cookies, she doesn't understand why

895
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:51,839
Speaker 1: he like puts the clothe the drag cleaning where they're

896
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:54,720
Speaker 1: happy ERPs, like she doesn't understand all of these things.

897
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 1: She just sees them as sort of an annoyance and

898
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 1: told the end she appreciates it. And so yeah, there's

899
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:06,920
Speaker 1: the whole theme between them of love and divorce. And

900
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 1: she has this line that's pretty painful, or she says

901
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 1: to Alpha Woyman, like I can't wait to show him

902
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 1: how good my life is without him, the idea of

903
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:20,080
Speaker 1: the one because they like every universe, even if they're

904
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 1: not together, they're sort of like in each other's orbits.

905
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:26,520
Speaker 1: And then I would say, like the grass is always

906
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:30,280
Speaker 1: greener on the other side, all the could have beens

907
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 1: that always look better when you're not actually living that life.

908
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 1: And I think it's also for evidence sort of really

909
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:40,879
Speaker 1: to low self esteem or looking down on yourself based

910
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:42,719
Speaker 1: on the choices you've made and what you have or

911
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 1: have not become, and therefore the other people in your

912
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:51,359
Speaker 1: life get pulled into that as well, Right, I mean,

913
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:54,279
Speaker 1: there's definitely that common Like at the beginning when the

914
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:59,720
Speaker 1: alpha woyman comes in, he says you're the most unskilled essentially,

915
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 1: that was like, yeah, how dared it is true? But

916
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:07,279
Speaker 1: she she she believed it because yeah, she looked at

917
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:09,719
Speaker 1: these different stances of like oh, I could have been

918
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 1: a chef, which she wasn't really a chef because yeah,

919
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:18,160
Speaker 1: but like she was one of many, and she wasn't

920
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:22,120
Speaker 1: as good as Raccocoon. Raccoon that really struggled with this

921
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:25,440
Speaker 1: sport was at that point. But like even the Hollywood

922
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:29,480
Speaker 1: version of like she was alone in that level, like

923
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:31,320
Speaker 1: and she wondered when she was what she was missing

924
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:35,520
Speaker 1: out on that level. But there's so many things to

925
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:39,359
Speaker 1: that that I found interesting, and she definitely does really

926
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 1: well portraying because like I don't know, did they age

927
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:46,320
Speaker 1: her in that film, because I'm like this, wow, Like

928
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 1: she looked beaten down, and I know makeup was amazing

929
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:52,759
Speaker 1: and all day, but like even for her, she's not

930
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 1: one of those people I could ever see beaten down

931
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:57,279
Speaker 1: in any at least way whatsoever. But like, yeah, that

932
00:55:57,520 --> 00:55:59,799
Speaker 1: was her character, was that she was already beaten down.

933
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 1: This one universal was just completely against hers. Yeah. Oh,

934
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:11,200
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, she was definitely tired. Sheed, and I

935
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 1: tried to put together maybe this is for a revisit

936
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:17,239
Speaker 1: in the future, but I tried to put together like

937
00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 1: because it's everything everywhere, all at once, but it also

938
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:20,880
Speaker 1: seems to be saying to me, you can't be you

939
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:25,120
Speaker 1: can't have it all. Yeah, but the end is also

940
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 1: you know, being presence in a world full of distractions,

941
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:31,239
Speaker 1: when she's hearing all these other universes, all these other

942
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:34,480
Speaker 1: things she could have done or could be doing, choosing

943
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 1: to be present in that moment. But now I have

944
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 1: to talk about the sinnamon roll because this is an

945
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:44,880
Speaker 1: example of it. Waymand is an example of it, and

946
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:47,400
Speaker 1: like at the end when he's giving his speech, I'm like,

947
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 1: this is it. Essentially, this is like a thesis statement almost.

948
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 1: So one of my favorite fan fiction descriptions of it

949
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:57,400
Speaker 1: is the strength of choosing to be kind in a

950
00:56:57,440 --> 00:57:00,160
Speaker 1: cruel universe, and Wayman is like, this is how I

951
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 1: fight with kindness. Like it's strategic, it's a purposeful choice

952
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:08,560
Speaker 1: of survival, and I just love it. He's so sweet,

953
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:13,080
Speaker 1: he's so adorable because he's just like always trying to

954
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:16,440
Speaker 1: make people happy and kind of doing these goofy things.

955
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:20,200
Speaker 1: He's always trying to make evil and happy. It's very

956
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 1: when they have the flashbacks of their relationship, which again,

957
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:27,600
Speaker 1: of course he's asking for a divorce. It hasn't always

958
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:30,680
Speaker 1: been good. But those other part to me that I

959
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 1: don't quite understand is why does it ever explain that?

960
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:39,440
Speaker 1: I think from the things I read he because in

961
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:41,360
Speaker 1: the beginning he's like, please, can we talk? Can we talk?

962
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 1: Can we talk? And she keeps me right. I think

963
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:46,600
Speaker 1: it was sort of a last ditch I need to

964
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:52,680
Speaker 1: talk to you, But yeah, that's maybe I'll rewatch it again.

965
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:56,280
Speaker 1: And have a different take for you. And also, yeah,

966
00:57:56,320 --> 00:58:00,200
Speaker 1: this importance of seeking connection through other people, well, and

967
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:04,320
Speaker 1: that's ultimately what Joebu Tobaki wanted. Um, that's why she

968
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:08,160
Speaker 1: kept looking for Evelyn, and that's how Evelyn saved the day.

969
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:13,280
Speaker 1: And yes, yes, brought her back from the everything bagel hole.

970
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:19,280
Speaker 1: You're right, true story, It is absolutely true. Oh my gosh.

971
00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 1: If you have not watched it and you've listened to

972
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:24,440
Speaker 1: this episode, if your interest is not Pete right now,

973
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 1: but if you also have not watched it and listen

974
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:30,200
Speaker 1: to this episode, please send us an email and tell

975
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:32,720
Speaker 1: us what your take of what you think we are saying,

976
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:35,920
Speaker 1: because I would love it to hear an interpretation of

977
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:38,440
Speaker 1: what just happened here. I would too, and then go

978
00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 1: watch it because it's great. Yeah, yeah, yes, well that's

979
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:44,280
Speaker 1: what we have to say for now. I bet well,

980
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:47,880
Speaker 1: I'll bet we'll revisit this one in the future. But

981
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 1: in the meantime, if you have any suggestions for our

982
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:55,960
Speaker 1: future movie picks, please email them to us. You can

983
00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:58,320
Speaker 1: do so at Stephanie you Mom Stuff at iheartmeat dot com.

984
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985
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986
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:04,920
Speaker 1: as always to our super producer Christina. Thank you Christina,

987
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