WEBVTT - Strike A Pose. Vogue. 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:03.960 Davis, and I want to know, are you a Charlotte 0:00:05.600 --> 0:00:09.000 Guess what we have Chloe Mall. I am so excited 0:00:09.039 --> 0:00:11.440 because Chloe is connected to the show in so many 0:00:11.480 --> 0:00:15.160 different ways. It's true. Are basically a second generation member 0:00:15.200 --> 0:00:18.919 of the family. It's true. I'm an satc nebobaby. You are. 0:00:20.640 --> 0:00:23.320 We've coined a phrase. I love it. We've coined a phrase. 0:00:23.640 --> 0:00:27.600 She's an satc nebo baby. I love it. And secondarily 0:00:27.640 --> 0:00:29.760 to that, or in front of that, I guess. She 0:00:29.920 --> 0:00:32.279 is the editor of Vogue dot com and she has 0:00:32.320 --> 0:00:36.040 an incredible podcast, The run Through with Vogue, And I mean, 0:00:36.159 --> 0:00:38.400 it's just a joy in so many different ways. I 0:00:38.479 --> 0:00:40.599 literally have the longest list of questions for you. 0:00:40.960 --> 0:00:43.519 I'm so excited. It's very fun to be on the 0:00:43.560 --> 0:00:45.280 other side of the mic in this. 0:00:45.320 --> 0:00:48.040 Story, is it. Do people ask you to be on 0:00:48.080 --> 0:00:49.120 a lot of podcasts. 0:00:49.360 --> 0:00:52.600 No, I'm usually the one talking to other people, got it. 0:00:52.600 --> 0:00:55.440 It's a joy. I have had such a you know, 0:00:55.480 --> 0:00:57.400 I love doing my podcast because of course I love 0:00:57.400 --> 0:00:59.560 our show and it's been super fascinating, and I love 0:00:59.600 --> 0:01:01.840 to have on our cast members and writers and everybody, 0:01:01.920 --> 0:01:04.520 but also other people like yourself, and it makes me 0:01:04.680 --> 0:01:08.959 understand being a guest so much better. Yeah, like really, 0:01:09.080 --> 0:01:13.360 I'm like light bulb moment, like, you know, let's have fun. Basically, 0:01:13.400 --> 0:01:14.400 it's like in film school. 0:01:14.440 --> 0:01:17.200 At the first year of film school, they make students 0:01:17.240 --> 0:01:20.319 do every possible role on a film set so that 0:01:20.400 --> 0:01:21.759 you know what you're dealing with. 0:01:21.959 --> 0:01:23.080 It's exactly like that. 0:01:24.000 --> 0:01:26.080 Yes, so today I'm the grip. 0:01:26.200 --> 0:01:30.960 Tomorrow you're not the grip. Today you are the actor. 0:01:31.120 --> 0:01:34.679 I would say, sure, but you have a lot of 0:01:34.720 --> 0:01:37.400 technical expertise, so you're like a really well trained actor. 0:01:37.440 --> 0:01:43.000 I think maybe. Okay. So Chloe is the child of Kendesbergen, 0:01:43.160 --> 0:01:48.040 a beloved actress and friend of the brand, as we say, 0:01:48.360 --> 0:01:51.279 and Candy is just such a joy in so many ways. 0:01:52.000 --> 0:01:54.200 As obviously you know, she is your mother, which is 0:01:54.320 --> 0:01:57.000 incredible to even think about. And your father is Louis 0:01:57.040 --> 0:01:59.200 mal who if you don't know, please look him up. 0:01:59.240 --> 0:02:04.760 He is alleged film director of like foundational memories for 0:02:04.840 --> 0:02:07.040 all of us in my generation at least that hopefully 0:02:07.080 --> 0:02:10.320 everyone else is as well. So that's just brief summary. 0:02:10.560 --> 0:02:12.640 So I just want to go back for a second 0:02:12.760 --> 0:02:17.760 for anyone listening. Our showrunner Michael Patrick King has a 0:02:18.000 --> 0:02:20.639 very long history with your mom, which is how your 0:02:20.639 --> 0:02:24.079 mom came to play Enid, the editor of Vogue. In 0:02:24.120 --> 0:02:26.440 the Sex and the City World. I think Michael Patrick 0:02:26.520 --> 0:02:29.560 King wrote on Murphy Brown. That's right. He won an 0:02:29.600 --> 0:02:33.280 Emmy for writing on Murphy Brown, his first which is 0:02:33.320 --> 0:02:37.520 so amazing to think about, and from his description of it, 0:02:37.600 --> 0:02:40.200 your mom was really his champion. I think he came 0:02:40.240 --> 0:02:43.280 in just as one of many, many writers because in 0:02:43.280 --> 0:02:46.320 the heyday of sitcoms, which that was definitely in the heyday, 0:02:46.560 --> 0:02:49.720 you know, you might have fifteen writers something like this, 0:02:50.040 --> 0:02:52.680 and she really was like that guy, that young guy 0:02:52.840 --> 0:02:56.520 that stand up him, you know, so he really rose 0:02:56.680 --> 0:03:00.680 within the ranks of Murphy Brown, which was a very credible, 0:03:00.919 --> 0:03:06.480 you know, much lauded, incredibly viewed sitcom of the nineties. 0:03:06.480 --> 0:03:10.519 I guess eighties nineties, Yeah, is that right? So then 0:03:10.960 --> 0:03:13.760 she comes we start our show. For the beginning, she 0:03:14.040 --> 0:03:15.760 didn't come on for a while, and then when she 0:03:15.800 --> 0:03:18.079 did come on, she came on to play Enid the 0:03:18.320 --> 0:03:21.600 editor of Vogue, And she has now played Enid through 0:03:21.760 --> 0:03:25.760 the first series, the film, the first film, for sure, 0:03:25.800 --> 0:03:28.160 I want to say. And then she's also come on 0:03:28.200 --> 0:03:30.919 and just like that, which is to us just incredible 0:03:30.960 --> 0:03:34.000 and a miracle. And then for myself, I was in 0:03:34.639 --> 0:03:37.040 a play on Broadway called The Best Man. Oh, yes, 0:03:37.240 --> 0:03:40.760 of course. I mean it was so amazing cast right, 0:03:41.680 --> 0:03:46.520 James Earl Jones, James Earl Jones, Angela Lansbury jumphead. I 0:03:46.520 --> 0:03:49.480 mean it was real. It was a joy in so 0:03:49.480 --> 0:03:51.720 many ways. And your mom was there. I was literally 0:03:52.000 --> 0:03:54.680 dying of nerves. I was like the second cast right, 0:03:55.080 --> 0:03:58.760 So when we came, I mean I was just like, 0:03:58.840 --> 0:04:01.600 could hardly function basically from nerves. And the fact that 0:04:01.640 --> 0:04:04.680 your mom was there really helped me because she's such 0:04:04.680 --> 0:04:07.160 a warm, comforting presence. And she was like Chris did 0:04:07.240 --> 0:04:09.520 I was like, oh, I can't do it. I'm so scared. 0:04:10.080 --> 0:04:12.800 So she was really she was really joy. And Angela 0:04:12.840 --> 0:04:16.680 also she used to call me Starshine cute. I know, 0:04:16.760 --> 0:04:19.200 she's second morning star shine. I'd be like, oh, I'm 0:04:19.240 --> 0:04:22.360 going to die of happiness. Yeah. It was incredible. And 0:04:22.400 --> 0:04:24.440 then your mom, your mom had finished with the run. 0:04:24.560 --> 0:04:27.479 We were like, please don't leave us. But it was 0:04:27.480 --> 0:04:29.400 a great, great thing. So I love your mom in 0:04:29.440 --> 0:04:32.120 so many ways, so so so many ways. And I 0:04:32.200 --> 0:04:36.520 love that you have landed in this incredible fashion world 0:04:36.600 --> 0:04:39.760 and position. How did it happen? Oh? 0:04:39.760 --> 0:04:43.720 Well, I mean one hundred percent this is I mean, 0:04:43.880 --> 0:04:47.720 there were a couple of like little news bits when 0:04:47.760 --> 0:04:49.640 I got this most recent job, and they're like, well, 0:04:49.720 --> 0:04:55.520 and remember Cannesbergen played a Vogue editor. It's not by 0:04:55.600 --> 0:04:59.960 accident completely. I mean, I'm one hundred percent. My connect 0:05:00.240 --> 0:05:02.640 to people in the publishing and media industry got me 0:05:03.279 --> 0:05:06.719 into the door, no question. And I think about that 0:05:06.800 --> 0:05:10.159 a lot when sort of friends kids write to me. 0:05:10.400 --> 0:05:15.040 I also want to respond to random people from college 0:05:15.360 --> 0:05:17.640 who have just graduated, you know, for my college and 0:05:17.680 --> 0:05:19.839 want to write to me. I really want to reply 0:05:19.920 --> 0:05:21.960 to people who I don't, who don't have a connection, 0:05:22.080 --> 0:05:25.040 because for me, it was absolutely because I had connections 0:05:25.080 --> 0:05:28.200 to Vogue that I got interviews here in the first place. 0:05:28.200 --> 0:05:30.400 And that was fifteen years ago. 0:05:30.520 --> 0:05:35.039 That was twenty eleven, and I was writing at The 0:05:35.040 --> 0:05:41.320 New York Observer and The Times at the Times, and 0:05:42.000 --> 0:05:45.080 I came into interview for an editor job at Vogue, 0:05:45.080 --> 0:05:49.320 which was at the time editing the front of the 0:05:49.560 --> 0:05:56.480 magazine section called Flash, which was sort of the fluffy, exciting, events, 0:05:57.320 --> 0:06:03.160 glittery part of the magazine. It was the weddings, it, girls, parties, 0:06:03.320 --> 0:06:05.560 et cetera, and that was really fun and a great 0:06:05.600 --> 0:06:11.479 way to sharpen my teeth in magazine editing. After five 0:06:11.560 --> 0:06:14.599 years of doing that, I then went freelance for a 0:06:14.640 --> 0:06:17.080 while and then about a year and a half ago, 0:06:18.200 --> 0:06:22.040 I came on to take this role as editor of 0:06:22.080 --> 0:06:27.400 the website because my podcast co host cho Minati went 0:06:27.600 --> 0:06:31.760 moved to London to become an editor of British Vogue, 0:06:31.839 --> 0:06:33.640 and she had been editor of the podcast, so. 0:06:33.640 --> 0:06:37.680 We did a little musical chairs amazing and to me, 0:06:37.960 --> 0:06:40.800 as a you know, lover of Vogue, I feel like 0:06:40.880 --> 0:06:44.920 the website And I guess this is true for most magazines, 0:06:45.880 --> 0:06:49.160 you know, because publishing itself like paper, old fashioned publishing 0:06:49.240 --> 0:06:52.040 is kind of having, you know, its struggles these days. 0:06:52.040 --> 0:06:56.320 But now I feel like the website is so so vibrant, 0:06:56.440 --> 0:06:59.240 like taking over in such a beautiful way. Well that's 0:06:59.320 --> 0:07:01.760 nice to hear, thank you. Yeah, I feel that. I 0:07:01.800 --> 0:07:04.440 really feel that, like the once the kind of you know, 0:07:05.240 --> 0:07:07.760 for me. I remember when Olivia Wilde did a cover. 0:07:07.880 --> 0:07:10.240 This was a few years back, and there's a beautiful 0:07:10.320 --> 0:07:12.760 video that went with it where you could really only 0:07:12.800 --> 0:07:15.080 put that on the website. You know, it wasn't something 0:07:15.120 --> 0:07:17.920 that would have had a place to live in its entirety, 0:07:17.960 --> 0:07:21.400 and it was gorgeous and it really brought it all 0:07:21.480 --> 0:07:23.960 to life in a way that I mean. Yes, a 0:07:24.000 --> 0:07:26.320 photo shoot is fascinating and looking at a page I 0:07:26.400 --> 0:07:29.840 love still, of course because I am old, but I 0:07:29.880 --> 0:07:33.000 also love the moving image, so it's kind of the 0:07:33.240 --> 0:07:33.960 union of both. 0:07:34.200 --> 0:07:37.480 It's exciting to experiment with mixing different types of media 0:07:37.600 --> 0:07:43.320 that supplement the original print form rather than replace it. Yeah, 0:07:43.920 --> 0:07:47.480 it makes it part of a bigger, more holistic product. 0:07:47.800 --> 0:07:51.320 Absolutely, absolutely, But what about your love of fashion, because 0:07:51.360 --> 0:07:55.360 your mom was an incredible fashion icon. I mean, did 0:07:55.360 --> 0:07:58.160 you grow up surrounded by her closet and loving her 0:07:58.200 --> 0:08:00.920 fashion or did you not care? Like how where were you? 0:08:01.640 --> 0:08:06.520 She is very dismissive of her love of fashion. She 0:08:06.640 --> 0:08:10.720 does not want to be She's someone who cares about 0:08:10.720 --> 0:08:15.520 what she wears and likes clothes, but she doesn't I 0:08:15.520 --> 0:08:18.600 don't think she would ever describe herself as a fashion person. 0:08:19.000 --> 0:08:21.440 But she was always on best dress lists. And I 0:08:21.440 --> 0:08:24.160 remember once I asked her if she was a hippie 0:08:24.160 --> 0:08:26.200 because we were talking about how she protested Vietnam, and 0:08:26.240 --> 0:08:28.240 she said I was a well dressed hippie. 0:08:30.440 --> 0:08:32.640 I love that so much. I love that so much, 0:08:32.679 --> 0:08:34.880 and that's absolutely true. I mean, you do get the 0:08:35.000 --> 0:08:39.720 sense that she was this just incredibly beautiful young woman 0:08:39.760 --> 0:08:43.360 who kind of just fell into kind of her early 0:08:43.440 --> 0:08:45.640 days modeling. It wasn't something that she wanted to do. 0:08:45.480 --> 0:08:48.199 It just seemed like people saw her and just wanted 0:08:48.480 --> 0:08:49.439 to photograph her. 0:08:50.160 --> 0:08:52.720 Yes, I think that, and she's written about this too, 0:08:52.760 --> 0:08:55.160 But I think that part came very easily, and what 0:08:55.360 --> 0:08:59.959 was more difficult was getting people to take her see 0:09:00.000 --> 0:09:04.320 seriously for other pursuits like photography or writing. And I 0:09:04.360 --> 0:09:06.960 was thinking about that because I just watched Mrsca Hargate's 0:09:07.200 --> 0:09:09.960 documentary about her mother and my mom Jane and Jane 0:09:09.960 --> 0:09:13.440 Mansfield had a similar I think that happened and still 0:09:13.440 --> 0:09:15.600 happens to a lot of women who are very beautiful, 0:09:15.640 --> 0:09:17.840 where it is hard for them to be taken seriously 0:09:18.120 --> 0:09:23.240 for anything beyond superficial attributes. That definitely, I think that's 0:09:23.280 --> 0:09:27.720 probably part of why she never leaned into loving fashion 0:09:27.920 --> 0:09:28.800 as much as. 0:09:30.400 --> 0:09:31.079 I don't know that. 0:09:31.080 --> 0:09:35.120 She loves fashion, but she loves her own style, and 0:09:35.160 --> 0:09:37.600 I think she loves wearing things that make her happy 0:09:37.640 --> 0:09:41.080 and bring her joy. And absolutely she's not a vain 0:09:41.160 --> 0:09:44.000 person at all, and so she's very interested in. 0:09:46.280 --> 0:09:47.839 Joyful, sort of goofy. 0:09:47.520 --> 0:09:50.360 Things, and it doesn't have to be something that's necessarily 0:09:50.400 --> 0:09:55.120 the most flattering or the sheikhist. It's more about dressing 0:09:55.160 --> 0:09:56.840 for herself, which I respect. 0:09:57.120 --> 0:09:59.200 I respect that so much, And Sir Jessica is like 0:09:59.240 --> 0:10:01.640 this as well. You know, people think that she is 0:10:01.679 --> 0:10:03.880 going to have this incredible closet at her house. She 0:10:03.920 --> 0:10:08.280 does not. Everything's in you know, storage catalogued, which is incredible, 0:10:08.360 --> 0:10:11.079 of course, but you know, she she has like three 0:10:11.080 --> 0:10:14.160 things that she wears on repeat, and they're quirky because 0:10:14.200 --> 0:10:18.880 she's trying to create, you know, an expression of herself. 0:10:18.920 --> 0:10:22.840 She's she's interested in that more so than you know, 0:10:22.920 --> 0:10:25.400 the trends or fitting in or having the newest thing 0:10:25.520 --> 0:10:27.480 or whatever it is. And that I think is so 0:10:28.240 --> 0:10:31.760 strange for people obviously who've grown up watching her as Carrie, 0:10:31.800 --> 0:10:33.400 because they think she is going to be carry and 0:10:33.440 --> 0:10:36.160 she's not. But I also think it's true for anyone 0:10:36.200 --> 0:10:39.440 who achieves that status of being an eight girl or 0:10:39.520 --> 0:10:43.520 you know, in whatever era, you're you're kind of pigeonholed. 0:10:43.559 --> 0:10:46.600 In that in that kind of moment of time in 0:10:46.640 --> 0:10:50.280 a weird, weird way. But I'm still interested in you, Chloe. 0:10:50.360 --> 0:10:53.000 So I know your mom, so no matter whether she 0:10:53.040 --> 0:10:54.800 wants to say that she's in fashion or not, I 0:10:54.880 --> 0:10:57.360 know she has incredible things. So I just want to 0:10:57.360 --> 0:10:59.480 know when you were growing up because I have a child, right, 0:10:59.480 --> 0:11:02.200 I've two, a boy and girl, and I'm always curious 0:11:02.559 --> 0:11:07.360 seven and thirteen. I'm always curious my daughter thirteen year 0:11:07.400 --> 0:11:10.360 olds at this time, it is fascinating, right, I mean 0:11:10.679 --> 0:11:14.200 so fascinating, and she really doesn't like most of my stuff, 0:11:14.240 --> 0:11:16.120 but every once in a while she'll go like, oh, 0:11:16.640 --> 0:11:19.640 you know, like light bulb goes off on her, Oh 0:11:19.040 --> 0:11:22.520 I want that. And I'm always like really flattered because 0:11:22.520 --> 0:11:25.520 they're very picky, very very picky, very very picky tweens, right, 0:11:26.160 --> 0:11:29.320 tweens teens, But like what you know, you were surrounded 0:11:29.360 --> 0:11:32.040 by these beautiful things. Did you think, oh, gosh, I 0:11:32.080 --> 0:11:34.720 love these beautiful things. I understand them. I want to 0:11:34.800 --> 0:11:37.360 understand them. I want to wear them. How what was 0:11:37.400 --> 0:11:39.720 your relationship thinking back now? 0:11:39.800 --> 0:11:41.320 I mean I have a three year old daughter who 0:11:42.000 --> 0:11:47.000 every time she gets dressed or undressed, it's like an operatic, 0:11:47.600 --> 0:11:53.840 complete tantrum, and it's completely exhausting. But I do think 0:11:53.880 --> 0:11:58.040 about how much I respect how my mom let me 0:11:58.360 --> 0:12:00.960 wear whatever I wanted as a teenager, and I wore 0:12:01.040 --> 0:12:03.000 some deranged outfish. 0:12:03.200 --> 0:12:07.079 I mean, wait, what year was this? What year was this? 0:12:07.080 --> 0:12:09.640 This was I would say when I was like fourteen fifteen, 0:12:09.679 --> 0:12:12.560 so ninety nine, two thousand, I was still living in 0:12:12.720 --> 0:12:15.520 la I used to go there was a great vintage 0:12:15.520 --> 0:12:20.240 store on Ventura called Iguana Vintage. I would go there 0:12:20.320 --> 0:12:24.560 and get like orange swed cowboy boots. There was like 0:12:25.760 --> 0:12:28.040 a belt that had a huge clock face on it. 0:12:28.120 --> 0:12:29.920 I mean really truly hideous face. 0:12:30.440 --> 0:12:31.040 I love it. 0:12:31.440 --> 0:12:35.480 And she was just always just was like, okay, whatever. 0:12:35.559 --> 0:12:37.400 I also like to make a lot of like sort 0:12:37.440 --> 0:12:41.040 of craft a lot of my things. I would paint 0:12:41.520 --> 0:12:44.520 on my corduroys. I would, you know, cad up a 0:12:44.640 --> 0:12:47.319 David Bowie T shirt and make it into a tube top, 0:12:47.360 --> 0:12:48.880 which I wore in New York City. 0:12:48.960 --> 0:12:51.920 I mean, oh my gosh, Oh that's very come on, 0:12:52.000 --> 0:12:54.240 that's very in. My daughter would be way into that 0:12:54.280 --> 0:12:56.280 if I were to allow her to wear such a thing. 0:12:57.120 --> 0:13:01.160 And she, I mean she really let me live that 0:13:01.160 --> 0:13:01.679 that truth. 0:13:01.760 --> 0:13:16.360 Wow, wow. Wow when you look at fashion now, because 0:13:16.400 --> 0:13:18.840 now these things are coming back in weird ways, like 0:13:18.880 --> 0:13:20.319 some of them are coming back and some of them 0:13:20.320 --> 0:13:23.640 aren't coming back. I'm very confused personally because I already 0:13:23.679 --> 0:13:26.320 lived it right as an adult, Like there are pictures 0:13:26.320 --> 0:13:29.480 of us in these things, and so now I'm confused 0:13:29.520 --> 0:13:32.120 about what I can wear or should wear. You know 0:13:32.160 --> 0:13:34.840 what I'm saying. How do you look at the kind 0:13:34.840 --> 0:13:39.240 of comeback of the nineties vibe? I never had a 0:13:39.400 --> 0:13:40.800 sort of either a. 0:13:43.760 --> 0:13:48.040 Like an indie sleeze or a grunge or a minimalist period. 0:13:48.120 --> 0:13:52.800 I was always very were a lot of colorful, vintage things, 0:13:52.880 --> 0:13:56.960 so that those moments that are coming back into cultural 0:13:57.000 --> 0:14:00.600 parlance today are not as triggering for me. I will 0:14:00.640 --> 0:14:03.000 say that there was a moment I think I was 0:14:03.040 --> 0:14:04.160 sixteen or seventeen. 0:14:04.760 --> 0:14:07.040 My mom and I were going to Barney's New York together. 0:14:07.240 --> 0:14:10.880 Oh this is so no, this is so much. 0:14:11.840 --> 0:14:15.160 There was a paparazzi photo taken of the two of us, 0:14:15.200 --> 0:14:17.040 and my mom looked great. She was in her uniform 0:14:17.040 --> 0:14:20.240 of like slacks and a button down and some turquoise earrings, 0:14:20.640 --> 0:14:25.360 and I was wearing like sort of vomit colored corduroys 0:14:25.680 --> 0:14:31.280 and welly boots that were frogs. Wow, because I had 0:14:31.280 --> 0:14:33.360 those as a kid, and then I got them again 0:14:33.480 --> 0:14:37.840 as a grown up, and now J. W. Anderson makes 0:14:38.240 --> 0:14:41.680 the frog wellies for grown ups that are like seven 0:14:41.720 --> 0:14:44.200 hundred dollars. I'm like, you know what, maybe that ouf 0:14:44.200 --> 0:14:44.840 it wasn't as. 0:14:44.760 --> 0:14:47.720 Bad as I thought it was. See, it does all 0:14:47.760 --> 0:14:48.560 come back around. 0:14:48.680 --> 0:14:51.680 It does, Because seeing that photo, I was like, oh, 0:14:52.400 --> 0:14:54.800 maybe I don't look as cool as I think I look. 0:14:56.440 --> 0:14:58.520 I mean, I feel that way anytime I see a 0:14:58.520 --> 0:15:01.920 paparazzi picture. You don't, I like, you never feel happy. 0:15:01.960 --> 0:15:03.920 I don't think. I mean, I don't know who does. 0:15:04.240 --> 0:15:07.480 But I also think that. I mean, I know at 0:15:07.480 --> 0:15:11.520 the time, I remember just desperately trying to wear these 0:15:11.520 --> 0:15:14.440 things because I felt like I should. And you know, 0:15:14.440 --> 0:15:16.360 if I went on a photo shoot, all they would 0:15:16.400 --> 0:15:19.600 have would be low slung jeans where you weren't really 0:15:19.640 --> 0:15:22.160 supposed to have hips or a rear end or anything 0:15:22.240 --> 0:15:24.800 like that, and I would just be sweating bullets trying 0:15:24.840 --> 0:15:27.280 to fit myself in there. And I have there's some 0:15:27.320 --> 0:15:29.520 pictures of me existing out there where I'm just like, 0:15:29.600 --> 0:15:31.360 oh my god, I can't believe I'm wearing that out 0:15:31.400 --> 0:15:35.120 in the world, like my abdomen is showing and stuff. 0:15:35.120 --> 0:15:37.560 I mean, oh my lord, but you know that's what 0:15:37.640 --> 0:15:39.600 we did. I don't know. We were young. We didn't 0:15:39.600 --> 0:15:41.520 think that hard about it, and you kind of felt 0:15:41.520 --> 0:15:44.240 like it was just going to go away. Yeah it doesn't. 0:15:44.280 --> 0:15:48.240 It's back already. Why is it so short now? 0:15:48.720 --> 0:15:51.000 Low jeans don't need to come back for me? Right? 0:15:51.440 --> 0:15:56.040 I respect those who are passionate about them, really really, 0:15:56.160 --> 0:16:01.640 I mean, my feeling isn't just no, like I do 0:16:01.720 --> 0:16:05.280 not want my daughter wearing well, that's true, Like I 0:16:05.280 --> 0:16:06.840 have to draw the line because I can't get her 0:16:06.840 --> 0:16:09.040 out of the crop right, and she's very tall. So 0:16:09.360 --> 0:16:11.960 if we've got the crop and then we've got the law. No, 0:16:12.240 --> 0:16:15.360 it's a lot, it's too much, right, Okay, thank you. 0:16:15.400 --> 0:16:17.920 I feel better now, I think because I do struggle, Like, 0:16:17.960 --> 0:16:20.360 am I being too controlling? I'm not sure. 0:16:21.000 --> 0:16:25.400 I also think though, that sometimes kids don't realize the 0:16:25.480 --> 0:16:28.000 suggestions of things they wear. I have such a specific 0:16:28.040 --> 0:16:31.520 memory of there was a brand of T shirts that 0:16:31.520 --> 0:16:36.280 they sold at fred Siegel Jet Johnashia Teas that were everywhere. 0:16:36.480 --> 0:16:39.320 When I was like thirteen, and it was the cool 0:16:39.360 --> 0:16:41.560 thing to get and to wear, and they had sort 0:16:41.600 --> 0:16:45.560 of cheeky things written on them, and everyone wanted to 0:16:45.600 --> 0:16:49.200 get one that said open twenty four hours and we 0:16:49.280 --> 0:16:51.440 didn't get it. We were just like, this is funny, 0:16:51.440 --> 0:16:55.400 it's like a diner. And the moms lost their minds 0:16:55.640 --> 0:17:00.560 and it was it sort of needed that maternal gut 0:17:00.680 --> 0:17:02.840 check to be like, no, no, ladies, this is not 0:17:02.920 --> 0:17:03.680 a coffee shop. 0:17:05.040 --> 0:17:05.960 This is your vagina. 0:17:06.400 --> 0:17:06.560 Right. 0:17:06.680 --> 0:17:09.760 It's a very stressful thing as a mom because, like 0:17:10.080 --> 0:17:13.640 I've had some conversations with my daughter about this, not 0:17:13.640 --> 0:17:16.840 not she doesn't wear anything like that so far, thank goodness, 0:17:17.320 --> 0:17:20.439 but you know, just like a general conversation like I 0:17:20.520 --> 0:17:25.840 went to the Paris uh you know, uh not what's 0:17:25.840 --> 0:17:28.480 it called Roland Garros? You know, the Paris Open? What's 0:17:28.720 --> 0:17:30.720 it has been? The French Open? Thank you so much, 0:17:30.800 --> 0:17:34.399 the French Open. I went there. I've been before, and 0:17:34.440 --> 0:17:39.480 they have this very elaborate like collab store where it's 0:17:39.680 --> 0:17:43.080 you know, Lacoste who sponsors it, and then also Wilson 0:17:43.119 --> 0:17:46.160 and my youngest my son is named Wilson, so I'm 0:17:46.240 --> 0:17:49.160 in there, I know, right, I'm like, this is so exciting, 0:17:49.560 --> 0:17:53.040 and you know, we were there because HBO Max whatever 0:17:53.080 --> 0:17:56.360 we're supposed to say these days, was airing the tennis. 0:17:56.520 --> 0:17:59.560 So we're there and I'm shopping for the kids and 0:17:59.600 --> 0:18:02.359 there are these really cute kind of vintage shorts that 0:18:02.440 --> 0:18:04.359 had a w on them, but they didn't really have 0:18:04.400 --> 0:18:07.120 his size. They had gemesize my daughter. So I thought, oh, 0:18:07.160 --> 0:18:09.000 I'm gonna get these because they they have a brother's 0:18:09.080 --> 0:18:11.600 name on them. I didn't really realize they were like 0:18:11.720 --> 0:18:14.520 kind of short in a vintage kind of a way. Right. 0:18:14.840 --> 0:18:17.720 She's all leg you know, and I mean she looks incredible. 0:18:17.760 --> 0:18:21.120 Everyone compliments her. I'm just dying, you know. People tell 0:18:21.160 --> 0:18:23.400 her you should be a model. I'm just like want 0:18:23.400 --> 0:18:25.359 to fall through the planet Earth, you know what I'm saying. 0:18:25.400 --> 0:18:27.560 I'm just dying. So I get them for her. Then 0:18:27.600 --> 0:18:29.440 I can't tell them that she can't wear them because 0:18:29.480 --> 0:18:31.520 I'm like, oh my god, you got I bought them. 0:18:32.000 --> 0:18:33.760 But then so then I was like, okay, so we 0:18:33.840 --> 0:18:36.560 can't wear a crop top with them. But then I 0:18:36.600 --> 0:18:39.320 feel like I'm like so controlling, and then she says, 0:18:39.320 --> 0:18:40.919 well why not. I want to feel free, I want 0:18:40.960 --> 0:18:43.760 to feel good, and I want to say yes, you 0:18:43.800 --> 0:18:45.639 can feel good and you can feel free, just only 0:18:45.680 --> 0:18:46.280 in the house. 0:18:47.560 --> 0:18:51.640 It's very tricky, it is, right, and I think it's 0:18:51.720 --> 0:18:54.920 much trickier now than it was twenty years ago because 0:18:55.560 --> 0:18:59.320 we want to be much more. We want to endorse 0:18:59.359 --> 0:19:06.639 her our children's confidence and positivity and make them feel good. 0:19:07.040 --> 0:19:09.400 But it's hard to navigate that it is. 0:19:09.480 --> 0:19:12.480 I find it really stressful. And I'm also so curious 0:19:12.880 --> 0:19:15.199 about people in fashion and how they look at it, 0:19:15.280 --> 0:19:17.199 you know, because I also know there's a huge, you know, 0:19:17.280 --> 0:19:19.320 variety of how people parent, you know what I'm saying. 0:19:19.400 --> 0:19:23.880 And you know sometimes I mean like when we were 0:19:23.880 --> 0:19:25.840 going to talk to you and you sent your favorite outputs, 0:19:25.840 --> 0:19:28.399 which we will get to from the show. You know, 0:19:28.680 --> 0:19:31.280 it made me start thinking about like there were things 0:19:31.359 --> 0:19:32.960 in the show because I grew up in the South 0:19:33.080 --> 0:19:35.879 where you know, there was a look, but it was 0:19:36.040 --> 0:19:38.480 you know, like I'm pretty sure I had some wide 0:19:38.480 --> 0:19:41.040 whale corduroys that had frogs embroidered on them, you know 0:19:41.080 --> 0:19:43.719 what I'm saying. Like we were that level, you know 0:19:44.240 --> 0:19:46.359 at one point, my parents not so much. But I 0:19:46.400 --> 0:19:48.959 wanted to fit in at school and be like super preppy, 0:19:49.200 --> 0:19:52.960 which meant all kinds of relatively unflattering things, you know 0:19:53.000 --> 0:19:55.200 what I'm saying, But they were in so who cares 0:19:55.200 --> 0:19:57.600 when you're a teen, right, Yeah? And I mean then 0:19:57.600 --> 0:20:00.080 I went to college in New Jersey at Wrutgers, and 0:20:00.080 --> 0:20:04.040 they were just like, what are you wearing? Like, you know, girl, 0:20:04.280 --> 0:20:06.879 like come on. And then they took me to Vinson Stores, 0:20:06.880 --> 0:20:10.800 which was definitely an expansive, wonderful thing. And I wore 0:20:10.840 --> 0:20:13.480 oversized jackets because it was the time of Madonna with 0:20:13.600 --> 0:20:15.760 our you know tights, right, and I don't think I've 0:20:15.760 --> 0:20:17.879 really had pearls, but you know, we were like, you know, 0:20:17.920 --> 0:20:20.000 I've been through many phases, right, this is this is 0:20:20.000 --> 0:20:23.240 what it means to be alive this long. But our 0:20:23.280 --> 0:20:25.920 own view of fashion, you know, it changes so much. Yeah, 0:20:25.920 --> 0:20:28.760 And I remember when we started doing the show, I 0:20:28.880 --> 0:20:32.080 just really wanted to look like I fit in because 0:20:32.119 --> 0:20:35.359 I didn't have this like fantastic New York background that 0:20:35.400 --> 0:20:38.440 Sir Jiska and Cynthia had. I had been an out 0:20:38.440 --> 0:20:40.280 of work actress in New York for a few years 0:20:40.280 --> 0:20:42.600 before I moved to LA But that's a very different 0:20:42.640 --> 0:20:45.560 existence than the characters we were playing, you know, And 0:20:46.160 --> 0:20:48.320 we didn't have hardly a budget at all. When I 0:20:48.359 --> 0:20:50.399 had Molly Price, our costume designer, and she told me 0:20:50.440 --> 0:20:52.840 we had ten thousand dollars for the entire first season. 0:20:53.080 --> 0:20:56.119 Oh my god, can you believe that? Wild? I know, 0:20:56.240 --> 0:20:58.280 And we hadn't been on the area yet, so no 0:20:58.359 --> 0:21:01.760 one was lending us because they didn't know what we 0:21:01.760 --> 0:21:03.440 were doing. You know, wasn't there some. 0:21:03.440 --> 0:21:07.760 Great story about the first baguette that like Patricia found 0:21:07.760 --> 0:21:12.159 it somewhere or something. Because the idea that what Texas 0:21:12.200 --> 0:21:15.520