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Speaker 1: Story, is it. Do people ask you to be on

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Speaker 1: It's a joy. I have had such a you know,

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Speaker 1: It's exactly like that.

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Speaker 1: very long history with your mom, which is how your

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Speaker 1: It's a very stressful thing as a mom because, like

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Speaker 1: the naked dress which was Donna Karaen I think, and

431
00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:40,320
Speaker 1: that was her own dress that she had worn to

432
00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:42,800
Speaker 1: an event, so she already she just went to her

433
00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:44,639
Speaker 1: closet got it out because we didn't have money to

434
00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:47,680
Speaker 1: get to get amazing things and no designers knew about

435
00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:51,080
Speaker 1: us yet, right, so only from her contact did they know.

436
00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:55,000
Speaker 1: So she could occasionally say, oh, I'll call and try

437
00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,560
Speaker 1: to borrow something, and I remember as as myself going

438
00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:00,800
Speaker 1: like wow, that is amazing, and it was very clear.

439
00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:02,560
Speaker 1: She would always say, like, we have to return it.

440
00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:04,560
Speaker 1: If they send something to us, we have to take

441
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:06,600
Speaker 1: such good care of it, we have to return it.

442
00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:08,600
Speaker 1: And we'd all be like okay, okay, okay, you know,

443
00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:12,080
Speaker 1: like like trying to be just the best the best girls,

444
00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:14,800
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, and return everything pristine so

445
00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:18,440
Speaker 1: that they would lend again because the show really needed it, right,

446
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:22,359
Speaker 1: which you know, I think in some ways was great

447
00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:25,520
Speaker 1: training because she already had been through it and could

448
00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:27,720
Speaker 1: could be an example to us of how to make

449
00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:29,960
Speaker 1: those relationships. Like in the olden days, we would go

450
00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:32,479
Speaker 1: to fashion week, which was it wasn't everyone and their

451
00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:34,560
Speaker 1: brother like it is now, right, would just be us.

452
00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:36,840
Speaker 1: And I remember spending a whole day just going from

453
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:38,480
Speaker 1: like this show, that that show, to this show to

454
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:40,600
Speaker 1: that show, and it was so exciting because it was

455
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:42,760
Speaker 1: you know, back back, you know, when it was a

456
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:45,080
Speaker 1: Brian park and it was amazing and you were just

457
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:47,840
Speaker 1: trying to be there for the designers so that maybe

458
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:49,840
Speaker 1: when you called them and asked for something, they might

459
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,600
Speaker 1: send it, right, like trying to make did a relationship. Yeah,

460
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:54,600
Speaker 1: it works great because the show was on at that

461
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:57,000
Speaker 1: point right right, So yes, it worked really well. But

462
00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:59,760
Speaker 1: also like for me, it was finding people that fit

463
00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:02,879
Speaker 1: Charlotte's style and that fit my body because we were

464
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:05,919
Speaker 1: asking for sample sizes, right, which of course created its

465
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 1: own stress. Sure, sample sizes are not easy, and in

466
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:12,640
Speaker 1: the two thousands back I was started a while ago,

467
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:15,520
Speaker 1: this is my problem on the podcast. I'd ramble. I

468
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:18,040
Speaker 1: would go to photo shoots and they would have literally

469
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:22,680
Speaker 1: just like white jeans, low slung white jeans, and I

470
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 1: would just be trying to get them on. I couldn't

471
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:26,719
Speaker 1: get them on, and I'd just be like, you guys,

472
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:30,199
Speaker 1: could you possibly get an airline screwed? Like anything? And

473
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,880
Speaker 1: I would feel so bad, you know, it's terrible. It

474
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:36,159
Speaker 1: was very stressful. It was very stressful. The nineties, the

475
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:38,359
Speaker 1: late nineties is when we started the show. It was

476
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:42,240
Speaker 1: really hard because there there was just like the look,

477
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,280
Speaker 1: you know, there wasn't a lot of variety, you know

478
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, of course, and now I feel like

479
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,199
Speaker 1: it's much better. I don't feel like it's over. I

480
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:54,000
Speaker 1: think there is still, you know, a lot of pressure

481
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:56,440
Speaker 1: to be thin in the modeling world, for sure.

482
00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,480
Speaker 2: We talk about this a lot here and good the

483
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 2: rise of skinny talk, which I think is so toxic

484
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:08,440
Speaker 2: and terrible, and I mean, GLP ones have completely changed

485
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,879
Speaker 2: the conversation around body positivity. I think a lot of

486
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,800
Speaker 2: people in fashion are skinnier than they've ever been, and

487
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:19,679
Speaker 2: it's startling, and it means that it's self perpetuating because

488
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 2: then the samples are smaller than the models stay small

489
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:26,600
Speaker 2: and it's hard to overcome that.

490
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 1: It's so true, and I think it's also you know

491
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:33,240
Speaker 1: what people, I think sometimes people don't realize how hard

492
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,159
Speaker 1: it is as an actress to get the designers to

493
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 1: dress you because they want to send you the sample

494
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:43,480
Speaker 1: sizes because they can't make everything in your size right.

495
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:45,639
Speaker 1: They just don't have the capacity to make like a

496
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,080
Speaker 1: one of a kind that they haven't made for the stores,

497
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 1: and obviously you're trying to wear it before it's in

498
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:53,720
Speaker 1: the stores. It's like a whole kind of like domino

499
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:57,639
Speaker 1: effect of the way the fashion world works that you

500
00:25:57,640 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 1: don't really know about until you get into it. But

501
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 1: like just to get to borrow the clothes, you have

502
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 1: to fit into them. Yeah, and it's not easy and

503
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:09,919
Speaker 1: depending on the designer, that's what it's so important for

504
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 1: me to find, Like the Oscar de Lorenta samples fit me,

505
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 1: thank god, yeah, thank god. And Rolf Lauren thank god

506
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 1: because that was very Charlotte. So it worked out. But

507
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 1: you know, those were relationships where once I figured that out,

508
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 1: I had to really cultivate those and thank goodness, they

509
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 1: were very kind to us and they still are. But

510
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 1: back to the baget, because I haven't answered you yet,

511
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:30,639
Speaker 1: I asked Sarah Jessica, when did it begin that we

512
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 1: could borrow the things from the people, the designer things,

513
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:35,400
Speaker 1: And the baguette was the first thing.

514
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 4: Oh interesting, Yeah, so she I believe had a relationship,

515
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:43,480
Speaker 4: had bought one or maybe more so she already loved

516
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 4: it that you know, she was very she would do

517
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 4: her research right, so like she wouldn't just casually necessarily

518
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,680
Speaker 4: wear something right unless it was vintage, in which case

519
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 4: she would casually wear it, but in terms of the.

520
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:59,879
Speaker 1: Current fashion trends at the time and now. Also she

521
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,199
Speaker 1: would really study, like you know, do I love it?

522
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 1: What I carry it? Is it functional? All of her

523
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 1: different things and the bagget was already something that she loved,

524
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 1: and so maybe she brought her own one time and

525
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:15,400
Speaker 1: then we started that relationship and they would send her

526
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 1: possibly thirty at a time, like I being like ah.

527
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 1: And they were so beautiful, hand beaded, like sequin, beating, painting, velvet,

528
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,439
Speaker 1: everything you could imagine. And I also remember that we

529
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 1: would have these coffee table scenes and or restaurant scenes

530
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 1: before we had the coffee shop built, and we it

531
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:37,679
Speaker 1: would always be a struggle like where are we going

532
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:39,879
Speaker 1: to put the bags? Because you couldn't always hang your

533
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 1: bag and true New Yorkers don't really hang their bag

534
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,120
Speaker 1: on the back of the chair. This was much discussed

535
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 1: amongst us because me being a Southerner, I hang my

536
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 1: bag on the back of the chair and they'd always

537
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 1: be like Kristen, no, and I'd be like okay. So

538
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:52,919
Speaker 1: then you're like, where do I put it? Where do

539
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 1: I put it?

540
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 2: In?

541
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:55,640
Speaker 1: For Sir Jessica, she wanted people to see this beautiful,

542
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:57,920
Speaker 1: beautiful backget because what if she wasn't also in a

543
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,159
Speaker 1: walk and talk. So we have done scenes where the

544
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 1: bag get is where the plate should be, you know

545
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 1: what I mean, And she would just make it work.

546
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 2: It's true, I do kind of sort of can visualize that, right,

547
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 2: But it works for Carrie, it totally works, and she

548
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 2: would make it work. Miranda would never, but it works

549
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:15,160
Speaker 2: for Carrie.

550
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 1: No, that's exactly right. That's exactly right. And that was

551
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,439
Speaker 1: how that relationship began. And I feel like that was

552
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 1: the beginning of people realizing that we that we could

553
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:27,919
Speaker 1: and wanted to, you know, have brands on and feature

554
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 1: them and do justice to them and wear them, you know,

555
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:35,119
Speaker 1: beautifully hopefully, and all of that, which really changed the show,

556
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 1: you know, because we can never, never have afforded all

557
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 1: that stuff, not even now, you know. And just like that,

558
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 1: I mean, we're still begging people regularly.

559
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 2: Bag at beggars, bag at.

560
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 1: Beggars, and or any any literally anything else.

561
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 2: I always think of the scene when Carrie goes to

562
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 2: La and tries to buy a fake bag get and

563
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 2: then the guy takes her in the back and opens

564
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 2: up like his trunk and it's just all these fake

565
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 2: bag gets in plastic wrap, and she just recoils in

566
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 2: horror and she's like, I can't see them like this

567
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 2: sort of backtracks and it's like I can't do it.

568
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 1: Oh my god, And how wonderful because that's still such

569
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 1: an issue totally.

570
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 2: And I also think of that scene whenever I walk

571
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 2: by the vendors on Fifth like selling like forty goy

572
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 2: yard bags in like old plastic. It's like, yeah, it

573
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 2: ruins the magic, it really does.

574
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 1: But I mean, yeah, it's an interesting thing. It's an

575
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 1: interesting thing, like like you know, it is obviously, I mean,

576
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 1: we could go down a whole rabbit hole of you know,

577
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 1: child labor and whatnot. But I mean it's it's a problem.

578
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 1: But I also kind of understand because I feel like

579
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 1: with social media, this whole kind of you know, like

580
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 1: feeling the need to have all the things like ourmes

581
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 1: and the you know, it's gotten so intense. Yeah, it's

582
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 1: kind of scary, So I get. I get that people

583
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 1: would want to get one. However, wait that they could.

584
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 2: What's the thing that all the thirteen year olds want

585
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 2: right now? Like when I was thirteen and going.

586
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 1: To Bob mitziause it was a cat spade purse, Like,

587
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 1: what is the thing that's adorable? You know? My daughter, luckily,

588
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 1: is not so much into that, which is probably why

589
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 1: I was asking you. I mean, the look here in

590
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 1: LA is largely, you know, really baggy pants, some of

591
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 1: them a little lower than I would like, but still baggy,

592
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 1: which is good, and like crop top and like jerseys

593
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 1: you know, like that are tied up and sometimes they

594
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 1: do cut things still, which I did as a youth

595
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 1: as well. I think that's like evergreen and then I can't.

596
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 1: I mean, there are there. I think at thirteen, the

597
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 1: big fascination is will your mom let you wear heels?

598
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 2: Oh? Interesting, that's so interesting you say that because a

599
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 2: few weeks ago I went to have dinner with my

600
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 2: mom at the Cherry, Netherland, and I walked in and

601
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 2: there was like a line of twelve and thirteen year

602
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 2: olds waiting to go down to the Doubles Club, which

603
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 2: is like this subterranean, like very waspy club wow in

604
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 2: the shary Netherlands, but it is known for becoming the

605
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 2: location for boys schools and girls schools have their dances

606
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 2: there Wow. And so these girls were all waiting to

607
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 2: go in and they'll look for all of them. It

608
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 2: was an exact uniform was tub top or tank top,

609
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 2: mini skirt, this short and like high air Jordans high

610
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 2: it was all sneakers. It was all sneakers and mini

611
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 2: skirts and daughters like, oh, I guess they don't want

612
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 2: heels anymore, because that.

613
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 1: Was when I was that age.

614
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 2: It was very much the garments for circuit and it

615
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 2: was like how high a heel can you wear?

616
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 1: Right? Right? I think it's both. I mean, I wonder

617
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 1: if that's a New York City thing because they had

618
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,479
Speaker 1: to maybe potentially walk somewhere. I don't know, maybe not,

619
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 1: maybe they took a number. Yeah, because my daughter definitely

620
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 1: wears her high air Jordans and or her high Converse

621
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 1: with dresses. That's it. There's no debate. But she's very tall,

622
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 1: as I said, and I have absolutely said, I'm so

623
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 1: sorry you cannot wear heels because my entire you know,

624
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 1: ankles are pretty much ruined. So I'm not wanting her

625
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 1: at thirteen to start down that road. You know, she

626
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 1: has a few years. Yeah, give her a few years

627
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 1: for sure. But there are some smaller girls who are

628
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 1: her friends who do have I think that Kate Spade

629
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 1: is still very desired. Oh that's nice to hear, like

630
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 1: a little Kate Spade heel. You know what I'm saying,

631
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 1: like kind of a cute Kate Spade hill, But yes,

632
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 1: the miniskirt and the tube top and or tank. It's

633
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 1: a situation, you know, it's a situation. Yeah, it's a

634
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: no at my house, right, at least not at the

635
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 1: same time. Right. So that's what I'm really trying to

636
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 1: focus on. But okay, let's talk about I can't even

637
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 1: decide which thing talk to you about, but I do

638
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 1: want to talk a little bit more about the show

639
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 1: and fashion and your relationship to the show and fashion,

640
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 1: Like when did you start watching the show? Did you

641
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 1: know your mom was on the show? When did you

642
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 1: pay attention fashion wise? How in what order did those

643
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 1: things happen? Good question?

644
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 2: When I started watching the show, I don't remember when did.

645
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 1: The show air? We started in ninety eight.

646
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 2: Okay, so I think I started watching it a few

647
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 2: years later, in like two thousand, when I would have

648
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 2: been fifteen.

649
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 1: Got it?

650
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 2: And what did I respond to the most when I

651
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 2: first started watching it?

652
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 1: Fashion wise?

653
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 2: I think even at fifteen and living in Los Angeles,

654
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 2: I was captivated by the things Carrie war but absolutely

655
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 2: found them to be ludicrous and not realistic. I was

656
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 2: like a very unfun, pragmatic fifteen year old, and I

657
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 2: was like, this is ridiculous. She can't wear this, she

658
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 2: can't wear this tiny you know whatever. But I loved

659
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 2: it and I found it delightful. I do have a

660
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 2: very specific memory of watching the finale.

661
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 1: Of Sex and the City.

662
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 2: I had some girlfriends over to my stepfather's apartment in

663
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:02,479
Speaker 2: New York and we were all watching it together and

664
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 2: my stepfather was sort of mystified and took our golden doodle, Jerry,

665
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 2: for a walk and walked up past the restaurant we

666
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,360
Speaker 2: used to go to every Sunday night, Vico, and he

667
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 2: was like, Oh, we couldn't come tonight because the girls

668
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 2: are watching some show and her Vico is like, everybody

669
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:21,240
Speaker 2: inside watching this show.

670
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 1: No one comes tonight.

671
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 2: Like it was like the Super Bowl was the SADC finale?

672
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 1: That's adorable, there really were, you know.

673
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 2: I do miss those sort of cultural moments of that

674
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 2: Streaming has taken away a little bit.

675
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 1: You know.

676
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,320
Speaker 2: There are shows that have a you know, a weekly

677
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 2: rollout like and just like that. But I do miss

678
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 2: that group anticipation around a viewing moment. And I do

679
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:53,800
Speaker 2: have a very specific memory of going to the shoot

680
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:57,360
Speaker 2: day that was at the Vogue offices at four Times Square.

681
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 2: How great, which is very fun because then and fifteen

682
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 2: years later I was working there and I just remember

683
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,360
Speaker 2: the row of desks along the wall where the fashion

684
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 2: department used to sit. And I loved Carrie's outfit. I

685
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,320
Speaker 2: always loved Carrie's use of brooches.

686
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 1: I thought, Carrie, did they love the brooches. Great brooch

687
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 1: work from Carrie totally. They're still up to that brooch work.

688
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 2: And in the Vogue Idea episode when she goes to

689
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 2: meet with Enid, she is wearing this amazing I think

690
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 2: it's a Vivian Westwood, Yes, pinstriped skirts suit org with

691
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 2: a cameo broach and she looks fantastic.

692
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 1: And that is a real dream outfit for me. Yep,

693
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 1: exactly when I got married, Charlotte myself whichever got married too,

694
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 1: that I was supposed to wear this approach that Bunny

695
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 1: gave me, that we were supposed to think was hideous,

696
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,799
Speaker 1: and it turned it into this whole drama because it

697
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 1: was really beautiful and Pat and Molly Molly Rogers, who

698
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 1: was Pat's assistant the whole time and who is now

699
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 1: our costume Designer on and just like that and also

700
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,359
Speaker 1: currently doing the Devil Worst partuct because I text her

701
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 1: this morning and she was in fitting with n Hathaway,

702
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 1: So then I had to text Sara Jessica. But I

703
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 1: have an answer to something that you are going to

704
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 1: bring up. But they all love brooches, Molly Southern also

705
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 1: and Sarah Jessica. Again, this is about the craftmanship. I believe,

706
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 1: you know, like to make a broach the traditional way

707
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 1: is an artistry, and she has such appreciation of that.

708
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 1: So I remember that this brooch that I wore, which

709
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 1: I was supposed to complain about, that Bunny gave me,

710
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 1: and I felt this pressure to wear it, et cetera,

711
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 1: et cetera. It was gorgeous and so we had to

712
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 1: cut all those lines. Oh my god, you know. And

713
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,360
Speaker 1: I still have it at home, which because it is

714
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 1: gorgeous and it is do you wear it?

715
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 3: No?

716
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 1: I don't, because when I'm getting dressed, I don't think

717
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 1: about like how creative can I be? I think how

718
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 1: can I look nice and not call too much attention

719
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 1: to myself? Those are my two considerations. Shouldn't saying like

720
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:14,799
Speaker 1: how did you both? But I should get those things

721
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,439
Speaker 1: out more often. You know, I should because I have them.

722
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:19,359
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe one day my daughter will like them.

723
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 1: I don't know who knows, who knows? But okay, so

724
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 1: let's go back to you. So you remember when your

725
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:26,879
Speaker 1: mom was doing the show and you went to the set,

726
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 1: and what were your thoughts? Were you like, Wow, this

727
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:30,439
Speaker 1: is cool? Like what'd you think?

728
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 3: Yes?

729
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 2: I thought it was interesting.

730
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 1: I thought it was cool.

731
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 2: I wanted to be a writer when I was very young,

732
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 2: so I was very interested in I forget. I meant

733
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 2: to rewatch the episode, but I forget how much carry

734
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 2: is paid.

735
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:43,919
Speaker 1: I think it's four dollars a word. Yeah, I haven't

736
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 1: written down here somewhere is it for fifty a ward?

737
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 1: It's four dollars? Then she gets it up to four

738
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 1: fifty a ward. Yes, what did you think of that?

739
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 1: How reach?

740
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:53,760
Speaker 2: I was like, Oh, it's by word interesting, I'm learning

741
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:57,439
Speaker 2: things right right? Also now laughable of four dollars a word?

742
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:01,240
Speaker 1: But what do you mean? It's just most people making two.

743
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 2: Dollars or less a word, I would say at this point,

744
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 2: and that's for print, for web, it's much less than that.

745
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's so said. But this is what I

746
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 1: don't understand. I knew that there was a per word.

747
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,319
Speaker 1: You know, traditionally this is how writers were paid for

748
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 1: magazines and whatnot. But are you is there also like

749
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 1: a salary?

750
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:21,799
Speaker 3: No?

751
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, but what about like benefits?

752
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 2: Well, if you're freelance writer, you're not getting benefits.

753
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 1: But like one like in your previous incarnation when you

754
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:34,800
Speaker 1: were doing the weddings and the girl and the whatnot.

755
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 2: Oh then I didn't Then I did not get paid

756
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:37,720
Speaker 2: any per word.

757
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,319
Speaker 1: I was just had a salary. Okay, but did you

758
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 1: get benefits?

759
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, okay, oh yeah no.

760
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,360
Speaker 1: If there's then there's no per word. Got it, got it?

761
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 2: Got it? Just on staff and you're writing whatever you're

762
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:48,800
Speaker 2: told to.

763
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 1: Got it.

764
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 2: But if you're a freelancer and you're being paid per

765
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 2: word like Carrie was, I mean, people back in the

766
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 2: day used to make a lot per word, you know.

767
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 2: Michael Lewis apparently would make ten dollars a word Vanity Fair,

768
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 2: Plum Sykes used to make six dollars a word at Vogue. Wow,

769
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 2: plump sex was in our movie. Yes, I remember that.

770
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 2: I love that scene. I have to say I rewatched

771
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 2: that on a plane a year or two ago, and

772
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,840
Speaker 2: It was such a delight because it really was a

773
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 2: very accurate representation of a Bogue shoot. No way to

774
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 2: have Patrick and Andrea and Plumb likeay.

775
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 1: It really was.

776
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 2: Very much what really goes on. And you don't see

777
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 2: that depicted that often. That's so true.

778
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:34,399
Speaker 1: I mean we knew all of them separately, just from

779
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 1: the world. And I was one time in Aspen. We

780
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:40,320
Speaker 1: used to do the Comedy Festival. The HBO Comedy Festival

781
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:42,759
Speaker 1: was an Aspen every year, and Andre was there for

782
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 1: some reason, which was fantastic, and we went on a

783
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 1: the horse drawn sleigh ride together up the mountain in

784
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:53,839
Speaker 1: this crazy snowstorm, and of course he had his fur

785
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 1: had on in his fur and you know, he was

786
00:39:56,120 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 1: just so much delight, exactly doctor Chevago, because Andre lived big,

787
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:05,839
Speaker 1: you know, Yeah, it was like he created his own

788
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 1: atmosphere that he desired. He was such a joy and

789
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 1: so kind, so kind. And that day that we filmed

790
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 1: because Willie and I I believe are in that scene

791
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 1: watching rest and I remember that our wardrobes had to

792
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 1: be approved by Funny Miss Wintour.

793
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 2: Likes to get her hand up in the mix exactly.

794
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:32,359
Speaker 1: We were like anything she wants, anything, she wants. She

795
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 1: and Michael Patrick worked very closely together and that's probably

796
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:37,840
Speaker 1: why it is accurate. And then I remember when Plumb

797
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 1: got there. She walked over and she was like, oh, yes,

798
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 1: this is fine, and I was like, thank god, thank

799
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:46,439
Speaker 1: god you guys. I'm okay. I'm okay in my very

800
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 1: tight roder skirt.

801
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:51,840
Speaker 2: Another scene I remember loving even as a teenager with

802
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 2: Enid was when Enid and Carrie run into each other

803
00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 2: and at the restaurant. At the restaurant, I forget what happens,

804
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 2: but she says something about like having it all, and then.

805
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:07,799
Speaker 1: She oh, no, she says, you can't have it all.

806
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 2: So I have a boyfriend who you know, I'm above

807
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 2: fourteenth Street and he has a different girlfriend below fourteenth Street.

808
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:17,279
Speaker 2: You can't have it all. And then she goes to

809
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 2: Carrie's book party and runs into the boyfriend with his

810
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 2: other girlfriend because they're in no man's land. And I

811
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 2: thought that was a great I remember thinking, it's it's true,

812
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 2: you can't really have it all, and you do sacrifice things,

813
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 2: and it'll be interesting to see what I choose to sacrifice.

814
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:40,880
Speaker 1: Oh, that's interesting. So like, as a personal point of reference,

815
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 1: you thought, oh, this will be interesting.

816
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 2: I just I think it's nice to be reminded. I

817
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 2: think I grew up during a period a sort of

818
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 2: post Gloria steinem everyone women can have whatever they want moment,

819
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,240
Speaker 2: and so I was raised thinking that was the case,

820
00:41:56,360 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 2: and it was helpful to be reminded that mathematically it

821
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 2: just isn't possible.

822
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 1: I think that's fantastic. Yeah, I think that by the

823
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 1: time we made that show, who knows where I was

824
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 1: at with that personally. But I also I grew up

825
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 1: with Miss magazine on our coffee table. You know, it

826
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 1: was very important. But I also was surrounded in the

827
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 1: South by a very different reality than what was presented

828
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 1: in your magazine, right, So I was already in this

829
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 1: very you know, strange like what is true? I don't

830
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 1: know what is true. I guess you find what you

831
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 1: would like to be true and created or moved or

832
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 1: whatever it is, which is what I did. But still

833
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 1: I do think there was definitely a pervasive message around

834
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 1: I feel like the eighties, the late eighties, early nineties

835
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 1: of like you can have it all. You know, you're

836
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:45,400
Speaker 1: going to be a boss baby, and you're gonna have

837
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:47,840
Speaker 1: your babies on your hip. From all those magazine shoots

838
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 1: where the bottles would other babies or a baby, a

839
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,359
Speaker 1: P ten baby, I don't know, on their hip, like

840
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:55,839
Speaker 1: it was one of these baby. Do you remember that

841
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 1: it was a lot and then occasionally their own baby,

842
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 1: and you were just like, wow, that is so impressive.

843
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 1: But I mean not easy and very rare, you know.

844
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 1: And I think by the point that we made that show,

845
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 1: we all really knew that because we were doing the

846
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:14,800
Speaker 1: show and it was really all consuming in so many ways,

847
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 1: and everyone was, you know, trying to live their lives

848
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 1: at the same time, and it was not easy at all.

849
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 1: So I think that's probably why that show got written.

850
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 1: But I mean, I haven't gotten to that point in rewatching.

851
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 1: But I love that you remember it. I love that

852
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 1: you remember it, and I love that your mom has

853
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 1: been in the role of ing it over the years.

854
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:36,800
Speaker 1: It's so great and so fascinating. And sometimes I feel

855
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 1: and I wonder how you feel being over there in

856
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 1: the world of the real Vogue. Sometimes I feel like

857
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 1: we almost have to sugarcut the harshness of that business,

858
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 1: you know, like sugarcoat I should have said, or undercut

859
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 1: whatever less in the what we're actually saying, which is

860
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 1: it's kind of brutal. Yeah, do you feel that?

861
00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I feel like I work in the

862
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:04,280
Speaker 2: fashion business, but I also very much feel like I work.

863
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Speaker 1: In the news business.

864
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Speaker 2: And because I'm doing the website and our news might

865
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Speaker 2: be Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey went on a dinner date,

866
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Speaker 2: but it's still news, and it's still timely, and those

867
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:20,839
Speaker 2: kind of urgent, reactive moments are very can be quite

868
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 2: stressful and feel like you have to.

869
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Speaker 1: Be constantly on and responding.

870
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Speaker 2: So I do feel like it's not this sort of

871
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:31,359
Speaker 2: the just the joy of the Vogue closet kind of thing,

872
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Speaker 2: which doesn't really exist.

873
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Speaker 1: Let's discuss let's discuss the Vogue closet, because at one

874
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Speaker 1: point where it wasn't your podcast set in a Vogue closet,

875
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Speaker 1: which I was like, I don't think that that's well, that.

876
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 2: Actually is the Vogue closet, And they did design it

877
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:46,799
Speaker 2: to be a place where we could film interviews, which

878
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:48,360
Speaker 2: I thought was a great idea because you have the

879
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:49,400
Speaker 2: wall of shoes behind you.

880
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's beautiful.

881
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 2: I say, it doesn't really exist in the way that

882
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 2: we see it depicted on screen, because there's not tons

883
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:58,439
Speaker 2: of clothes there that just live there. Clothes are called

884
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 2: in for shoots, they are you know, under lock and key.

885
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 2: The Manolo's actually are kept behind locked doors, and there

886
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 2: are shoes that live there permanently because often for a

887
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 2: shoot you'll call in close but a stylist will say, oh,

888
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 2: but I just need a classic Manolo BB pump to

889
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 2: go with it, so they'll unlock the Manola cabinet and

890
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 2: take out the BB pump. But no, I mean the

891
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 2: closet is a very controlled space that's really a way

892
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 2: station between shoot and going back to wherever they were

893
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 2: borrowed from.

894
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:32,959
Speaker 1: Got it? And someone's keeping track?

895
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:37,320
Speaker 2: Oh yes, it's a whole team of women and gentlemen

896
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 2: keeping track.

897
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Speaker 1: Do you think, like if you think about the Devilwar's

898
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 1: product and the the you know, pressure on all of

899
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 1: those assistant girls, yeah, to look a certain way and

900
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 1: also to be you know, beyond excellent at their jobs.

901
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 1: How do you how do you? I mean, I know

902
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 1: it was a comedy, obviously I should should say that,

903
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:59,319
Speaker 1: but how do you think about that in terms of

904
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:00,799
Speaker 1: your own experience?

905
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 2: Well, I will say that I never had the privilege

906
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 2: of being Anna's assistant, so I don't have a first

907
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 2: hand experience of that, but I do find just judging

908
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 2: from Anna's to assistance right now, Sammy and they both

909
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:18,279
Speaker 2: look great.

910
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 1: And have fun with that.

911
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:24,720
Speaker 2: You know, is today is wearing a bright red shirt

912
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 2: dress and she looks fabulous and she has fun with it.

913
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 2: So I don't feel that the pressure and this stress

914
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 2: of having to look a certain way is what's dictating

915
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 2: that's how they're dressing. I also think that things are

916
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:43,879
Speaker 2: very different at Vogue now than they were twenty years ago.

917
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Speaker 1: I do.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I remember when I started fifteen years ago,

919
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 2: everyone was in high heels all day, and now you're

920
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 2: hard pressed to find someone wearing heels.

921
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 1: It's just a different environment. Yeah, I definitely content ask

922
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:57,879
Speaker 1: when we went, I was surprised. I think we saw

923
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 1: maybe a few people, but definitely there was a sense

924
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 1: of fun with fashion. There was a whole variety of

925
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Speaker 1: what people were wearing in the building.

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Speaker 3: Hi, I'm Nicole Phelps, Global director of Vogue, Runway in

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Speaker 3: Vogue Business and host of the run Through podcast. Every Tuesday,

928
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Speaker 3: join me for the latest fashion news, like the shakeups

929
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:27,040
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Speaker 3: You'll also hear interviews with top designers from Mark Jacobs

931
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933
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Speaker 3: cho Minnati, head of editorial Content at British Vogue, take

934
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Speaker 3: you behind the scenes at Vogue and share their thoughts

935
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 3: on fashion through the lens of culture. You'll hear interviews

936
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939
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:59,600
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941
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Speaker 1: First of all, I just want to tell you what

942
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 1: I was texting Molly Dodger's are costume designer and Sarah

943
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 1: Jeska about is the vintage chanel? Yes? Yes, it's a repeat,

944
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 1: right it's not. Oh, there's a lot of debate. I

945
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 1: know that it looks like it is and there's a

946
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:21,319
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of confusion online about it. So

947
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:25,439
Speaker 1: she wore this pink version back in the first show,

948
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 1: and then this version she wore and just like that

949
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 1: is purple. So it's not that Sarah Jessica went to

950
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 1: her archives and got it out, because I think we

951
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:35,319
Speaker 1: were already in the midst of shooting and she didn't

952
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 1: have time. I think that Chanelle sent it or Molly

953
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:41,400
Speaker 1: found it. That was the thing where Molly's fitting in

954
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 1: Hathaway and I couldn't bother her. She she apologizes, but

955
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 1: you know they Molly and Danny are costume designers. They

956
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 1: work for six months before we get going, and they

957
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 1: go to vintage stores and you know, England and France

958
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 1: and Palm Beach and you know wherever right, and they

959
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:01,360
Speaker 1: find all kinds of random things. So I think Mollie

960
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 1: found it somewhere and remembered the other one because she

961
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 1: remembers everything. So she brought it and she asked, Sir Jessica,

962
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 1: will you wear this as a callback? So you are

963
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 1: a callback? Then an actual rewaar was that online? Everybody

964
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 1: was like because also I think it has a logo

965
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 1: and a different place on the back. Funny, I know,

966
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 1: but you know the exactly they're on it. Okay, they're

967
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 1: on it. So I had to check in with Sir

968
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 1: Jeska and she said No, it was the closest we

969
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 1: could find. Oh that's so funny. Yes, but she didn't

970
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:31,279
Speaker 1: go and rummage into her archive. I think sometimes she

971
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 1: goes and gets things from her archive in advance, like,

972
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:36,840
Speaker 1: for instance, the Vivian Westwood wedding dress to wear to

973
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 1: the met Ball, when we know that there's a big

974
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 1: plot point where she has to get something. I think

975
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:45,280
Speaker 1: she got the was it. I can't remember the huge

976
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:48,800
Speaker 1: millful dress. You know, Yes, she got that pair of

977
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 1: new right, Like, if there's something like that, she will

978
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:54,759
Speaker 1: go and get it out. But I don't think this

979
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 1: Chanelle was that. I think this Chanelle was molly up

980
00:49:57,160 --> 00:50:00,359
Speaker 1: to her tricks and Sir Jeska going on with it

981
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 1: and it was a joy to see. I enjoyed it.

982
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:05,840
Speaker 1: My going out at night outfit was really fun to create.

983
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:07,399
Speaker 1: Oh my God, made me laugh so much.

984
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:10,759
Speaker 2: Thank you because I loved you and Harry together and

985
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:15,439
Speaker 2: it completely I really feel for parents trying to go out.

986
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 1: I ride right now. Oh yeah, and can you imagine

987
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 1: like also the work pressure, you know, which probably might

988
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:24,480
Speaker 1: feel I don't know. I sometimes feel the work pressure,

989
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 1: though not in the way of like you're actually selling

990
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:28,799
Speaker 1: art after hours. You know what I'm saying, like, that's

991
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 1: a very specific thing. So this was really fun because

992
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 1: we knew it was coming. We were, you know, working

993
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 1: on it for a while. This was our costume department

994
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:38,799
Speaker 1: at it's best, where they're mixing and matching pieces. It

995
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 1: looks like it's one outfit, but it's totally every single

996
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 1: piece is a different designer. I've got my little tiny chanel,

997
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 1: very impractical but adorable bag slung across me so that

998
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:49,439
Speaker 1: I don't have to put it down, right. I have

999
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:58,279
Speaker 1: the Galliano may Marcella of course, which'll have a housing right.

1000
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 1: I've worn it many times. It is a okay, a

1001
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 1: dream right. And we were a little concerned about the cleavage.

1002
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 1: So at one point Molly wanted to put some chiffon

1003
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 1: across the top and we played with that, but then

1004
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 1: it kind of messed with the silhouette, so we took

1005
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 1: it off and kept it pure. I've got an Achris

1006
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 1: skirt on. I have Oh do you know Brioni Jeweler.

1007
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 1: She sent me that beautiful it's like her rosette necklace

1008
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 1: to die for. And then we needed a little short bolero,

1009
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:32,399
Speaker 1: so Christian Siriano made me a little short Bilero and

1010
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 1: Molly went and picked the fabric, which was perfect, so sweet. Yeah,

1011
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:38,760
Speaker 1: and it was it was It was such a creation,

1012
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:40,800
Speaker 1: and I had to wear it through so many different

1013
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 1: scenes and we would, you know, take the jacket up,

1014
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:45,239
Speaker 1: you know, and then I have to walk out in

1015
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:47,840
Speaker 1: the morning and you know, smear my eye makeup and everything.

1016
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 1: But it was a good time and everything stayed intact.

1017
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 1: I was slightly worried that something was going to happen

1018
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 1: to that very expensive necklace and that dance sequence, but

1019
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 1: it did not. We made it through with maybe a

1020
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 1: few drinks spilled on the outfit, but that's nothing we

1021
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 1: couldn't fix, right, Okay, So then this is the most

1022
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:06,839
Speaker 1: interesting thing. You say, your favorite outfits from the first show.

1023
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:09,279
Speaker 1: And no one in my life has ever sent me

1024
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 1: so many of Charlotte's lingerie looks. I love Charlotte's nineties.

1025
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 2: I have such specific memories of being like, oh, I

1026
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 2: guess you can wear pretty things to bed because I

1027
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 2: like button down, like I like like what I love Lucy,

1028
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:27,319
Speaker 2: what Lucille and Lucy and DESI would wear to bed?

1029
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 1: Me too, Yes, me too. I wish Charlotte Charlotte wears Yeah, totally, totally.

1030
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:37,880
Speaker 1: I mean, this thing, oh my god. I mean, I

1031
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 1: don't know who made it. I think it was like

1032
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:42,840
Speaker 1: not a great designer. I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings,

1033
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:44,719
Speaker 1: but it was something like you know when Charlotte when

1034
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:46,920
Speaker 1: we go to Atlantic City and I get that TACKI

1035
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 1: dress in the in the store. In this case, you know,

1036
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:51,800
Speaker 1: it was like that, like when Charlotte is trying to

1037
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 1: be sexy or what she thinks of as sexy, and

1038
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 1: it's way outside her normal purview. That's what this seathrew

1039
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:01,719
Speaker 1: thing is. And I remember being scared out of my

1040
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 1: wits to film that scene and to walk out in

1041
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:08,759
Speaker 1: this outfit and very stressed about what underwear to wear

1042
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:11,799
Speaker 1: underneath it. Well, because it see through. I was like

1043
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 1: calling my manager, like what should I do? You can

1044
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 1: kind of see my breasts, Like, oh, I'm scared out

1045
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 1: of my mind. So I mean, I look at it

1046
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 1: now and I'm like, that's not really so much of

1047
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:26,239
Speaker 1: a thing, but at the time it seemed like it. Yeah, no,

1048
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 1: Charlotte's Nightties.

1049
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 2: And I have to give credit here when our producer

1050
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 2: emailed me and said, you need to choose your top

1051
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 2: ten favorite Carrie and Charlotte looks. I immediately took out

1052
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:38,799
Speaker 2: the bat phone to two of my best friends who

1053
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:47,279
Speaker 2: are encyclopedic academics of the SATC Cannon, And immediately my

1054
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 2: friend parents sent me like Charlotte's nightties like fourteen images

1055
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 2: and oh yeah, so that was and something I did love,

1056
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:56,239
Speaker 2: but I'm not sure I would have thought of that

1057
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 2: without that.

1058
00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:58,440
Speaker 1: Tell her thank you, Tell me, thank you.

1059
00:53:58,480 --> 00:53:59,320
Speaker 2: I appreciate it.

1060
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 1: My there's this one from first season which I think

1061
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 1: is just like a you know, department store, possibly possibly

1062
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:09,840
Speaker 1: like not La Perloa because we couldn't afford it, but

1063
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 1: maybe like Notori. We did wear a fair amount of Notry.

1064
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:16,799
Speaker 1: And then we get into the vintage look, which at

1065
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 1: a certain point in the Tray relationship, I do actually

1066
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 1: have vintage because I was trying to pretend that I

1067
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 1: was Elizabeth Taylor and count on a Hotton roof right,

1068
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:27,280
Speaker 1: which works for so many different ways.

1069
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 2: And then is a foreshadowing of the King Charles Spaniel.

1070
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 1: All connected, yes, And then we did discuss the beautiful Westwood.

1071
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:41,440
Speaker 1: Sarah has such a great history of wearing Westwood, and

1072
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:44,239
Speaker 1: I think wears it so so beautifully. I always love

1073
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 1: it any Westwood time. Oh my god, then we have

1074
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:48,399
Speaker 1: this look. Now, this would be one of the times

1075
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:50,160
Speaker 1: where I would have been like, oh, you know, like

1076
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:53,799
Speaker 1: have a very Charlotte type reaction, but this woman can

1077
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:54,800
Speaker 1: pull it off.

1078
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:58,520
Speaker 2: These hot pants with this newsboy cap and the bag yett.

1079
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 1: It was. It's just one of those.

1080
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:05,440
Speaker 2: Er carry looks where you're like, this is ridiculous and

1081
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:06,959
Speaker 2: just exactly what we want.

1082
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:11,239
Speaker 1: And also I don't think you have it in here.

1083
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 1: But do you remember the tiny green skirt with a

1084
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:15,319
Speaker 1: little fluff frill on the back.

1085
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:18,400
Speaker 2: Yes, it had a little tail, like a little feather.

1086
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:22,400
Speaker 1: Concerned, I was like, oh god, she's gonna be on

1087
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:25,719
Speaker 1: the streets, and that she's gonna be okay, no way.

1088
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:28,399
Speaker 1: I have a really good memory of this Miranda look.

1089
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:32,080
Speaker 1: This Miranda look is you know, a a a one

1090
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:35,319
Speaker 1: of the Halloween costumes that people sometimes wear, which I love.

1091
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:38,320
Speaker 1: And this is when I think we're in Brian Park,

1092
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:41,880
Speaker 1: the actual park, and she's wearing this and Sarah Jessica's

1093
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 1: wearing basically a Heidi outfit. Oh yes, it's true. Do

1094
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 1: you remember she has like pink cheeks and she might

1095
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:51,359
Speaker 1: have pretend freckles even like She's so ahead of her time.

1096
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:53,719
Speaker 1: And I'm wearing like a bucket hat, which is not

1097
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:56,120
Speaker 1: my favorite, but Pat was brillianta hats Like Pat would

1098
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:58,279
Speaker 1: have a theme and like a vision, and then we

1099
00:55:58,320 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 1: would all be part of it, and you just had

1100
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 1: tod of like lift through it. And I remember having

1101
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:04,680
Speaker 1: one of the like a little Charlotte type speech, like

1102
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:06,759
Speaker 1: where I go on some kind of a rant, and

1103
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 1: I had Cynthia in this one outfit on one side

1104
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:11,440
Speaker 1: and Sarah in the Heidi on the other side, and

1105
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:14,560
Speaker 1: I remember just breaking into giggles, like I just couldn't focus.

1106
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:16,879
Speaker 1: I just was like, I don't know where to look.

1107
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:19,239
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna look at Cam because I don't know

1108
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:22,080
Speaker 1: where to look. It makes me laugh. But you know,

1109
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:24,440
Speaker 1: this is what the show is great at, is just

1110
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:27,359
Speaker 1: being creative and thinking outside the box. And I give

1111
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:30,759
Speaker 1: so much credit to Pat and to our directors and

1112
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:34,960
Speaker 1: executive producers for allowing us to do so truly right,

1113
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:38,000
Speaker 1: because I mean it all worked in the end and

1114
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:40,400
Speaker 1: it was part of the fun, right completely.

1115
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1116
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 1: Okay, here we have Sarah in the Dior by Galliano.

1117
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 2: Everyone talks about this dress, but I do feel like

1118
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:48,719
Speaker 2: it's taken on a new life of its own with

1119
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:51,279
Speaker 2: Jenna or Tago Worerett and I just have to say,

1120
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:53,800
Speaker 2: you know, as someone who works in print media, print

1121
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:54,359
Speaker 2: is not dead.

1122
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:58,239
Speaker 1: It's on that dress, thank god, right, thank god. And

1123
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:00,760
Speaker 1: I remember this at the time. This was a special

1124
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 1: dress for a special scene where they really planned ahead,

1125
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 1: and you know, there's so much thought that Sarah, Jessica,

1126
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:10,040
Speaker 1: Pat and Bally would put into kind of those special moments,

1127
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:12,920
Speaker 1: and they that this dress might have come in early,

1128
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:15,000
Speaker 1: and then they save it. They kind of hot try

1129
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 1: to hide it, but you know, they always need things

1130
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:18,440
Speaker 1: for shoots, so then they have to let it go.

1131
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:19,920
Speaker 1: And then they're like, oh, I hope they send it

1132
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:22,280
Speaker 1: your dress back. Oh I hope they send that dress

1133
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:24,800
Speaker 1: and let us keep it long enough. And then when

1134
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:27,600
Speaker 1: Jenna Ortega wore it, it was incredible. And we discussed

1135
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:30,600
Speaker 1: this to somebody on our recent press press tour and

1136
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 1: Sara Jessica was very much a fan, which was so nice.

1137
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 1: We have all the important things except for the hat.

1138
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:38,240
Speaker 1: Do you want to talk about the hat really briefly? Sure?

1139
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:42,360
Speaker 2: I love this hat because I'm I'm very into sun

1140
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 2: protection and I respect that Carrie leaned into Gingham for

1141
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 2: this good call.

1142
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 1: I feel the same way, and it goes so perfectly

1143
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:52,600
Speaker 1: with the Aussie Clark. I think that people are so

1144
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:55,920
Speaker 1: strange that they want to criticize this. Yes, I find

1145
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:57,800
Speaker 1: that wacky, like why not?

1146
00:57:58,080 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 3: No?

1147
00:57:58,360 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 1: Let what she wants?

1148
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:00,400
Speaker 3: Right?

1149
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:03,600
Speaker 1: Yes, it's fun. I agree. I agree. I'm happy that

1150
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:06,040
Speaker 1: you like it. You have been such a joy, Chloe.

1151
00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 1: Thank you so much Christmas.

1152
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:08,240
Speaker 2: It's such a treat.

1153
00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 1: Okay, bye bye