Speaker 1: Forever. Look man, oh, I see you? Why? Why? And
Speaker 1: look over there? How is that culture? Yes? Goodness, ding
Speaker 1: Donglas cultures calling. I have such good feelings about this
Speaker 1: next hour and a half plus of audio, And can
Speaker 1: I say I feel very decadent this evening because I'm too.
Speaker 1: I'm with two wealthy women. I'm surrounded by women of
Speaker 1: wealth and means and means and guess what both of you?
Speaker 1: How have moved into two new homes since I last
Speaker 1: saw you? Reader, It's true, Reader, When I came back
Speaker 1: to New York, all three of my house have moved
Speaker 1: into different ho dwellings. How dwelling they are? How? And
Speaker 1: so why? I've seen Dave's lovely new apartment. Congrats to him.
Speaker 1: To him, the wallpaper is laid. I've seen Sudi's new apartment.
Speaker 1: Congrats to her. To her, the artill art will be
Speaker 1: put up soon? Have not been to this how is apartment?
Speaker 1: Let me tell you something? Let me tell you something.
Speaker 1: I just said, tell you, Swift, it's not that I haven't.
Speaker 1: We just haven't had the time. We haven't We are
Speaker 1: are our wires haven't crossed? What are you coming over?
Speaker 1: I would love to come over. When is a good time.
Speaker 1: You've been busy getting ready for a show show from
Speaker 1: doing my thing Friday, we're gonna be recording more episodes.
Speaker 1: Maybe come over after come over Friday, we can do that. So,
Speaker 1: just so you guys don't know, I'm gonna go. I
Speaker 1: am going to see bones new apartment, just in case
Speaker 1: anyone was concerned whether or not I was going to
Speaker 1: see his new apartment. You're really You're really pushing it
Speaker 1: back and I and that is a signifier for something.
Speaker 1: You missed me desperately. I miss you so much. I
Speaker 1: really missed you. And I the night I saw you,
Speaker 1: I was like just fucking shoveling affection and throwing the
Speaker 1: dirt onto you. And I was like, and you were
Speaker 1: giving me nothing. What are you talking about? I despise
Speaker 1: this id. Yes, Matt is emotionally man is emotionally distant.
Speaker 1: And I wept that night. Yeah about about l A,
Speaker 1: about your friends in l A, how much you miss
Speaker 1: l A and how much you hate New York. And
Speaker 1: it's not our fault that you live in a humid hole.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, because because Matt Polish Green Point parogy basement.
Speaker 1: Fuck you, you're a bit parogic garden level box. You're
Speaker 1: a bitch stopping, you are being you are being a
Speaker 1: bit Okay, I mean she's she's enemy. I mean this
Speaker 1: is already I have such good feelings about this audio.
Speaker 1: And wait, I don't like this narrative. Now. I came
Speaker 1: because I don't think it's truthful. Can I just set
Speaker 1: the scene? Can I just set the scene? So I came.
Speaker 1: I come off the plane. It's as a very long
Speaker 1: fight from Los Angeles to New York. The priority number
Speaker 1: one was I get to you guys that have wine
Speaker 1: and pizza, because I had been in Los Angeles for
Speaker 1: five months and study and I had been playing all
Speaker 1: day treats for for that Matt and Joy's Buffalo pizza.
Speaker 1: I don't want you to say that, because I knew
Speaker 1: that Matt wouldn't mention it, and so I wanted his
Speaker 1: story to be done. But I was like, that was
Speaker 1: my thing about the story. Obviously the villain of this
Speaker 1: episode are and I I'm not. So I get off
Speaker 1: the plane, and you know what happened when I got
Speaker 1: home to my apartment. It was a disaster and it
Speaker 1: was really, really hot. And yes, I was a little
Speaker 1: bit emotional because I did make some friends over there
Speaker 1: that I'm not going to see for a while. But
Speaker 1: I was thrilled to see my sisters, and so I
Speaker 1: went there and literally sat down and was crying because
Speaker 1: I know there might be life changes, not because I
Speaker 1: missed any thing in life change. I was emotional for
Speaker 1: many reasons life change, life changes because I'm thinking about
Speaker 1: going to l A. I know, I know, we know,
Speaker 1: and we know, and also it's a big transition. And
Speaker 1: also sometimes when you're like feeling a lot of things
Speaker 1: and then you see people that you're comfortable comfortable with,
Speaker 1: it just all comes out. Like I've had that like
Speaker 1: with you, Like I'll FaceTime you when you're in l A.
Speaker 1: And all of a sudden, I'm crying. And I wasn't
Speaker 1: even upset that day really thinking about it. But you
Speaker 1: did sit down and met. We start talking about how
Speaker 1: much you're gonna miss your friends in l A. And
Speaker 1: they didn't know you when you were born. And I
Speaker 1: was there when you came out and I held you
Speaker 1: and I looked down at you and I said, this
Speaker 1: is my son. Famously, by the way, this is if
Speaker 1: you're living under a goddamn rock. This is Saturday Night
Speaker 1: Live writer shrill writer se Sudi Green, our greatest friend,
Speaker 1: our number one famous. Her biggest credit is the famous.
Speaker 1: Her biggest credit is Summer of Summer of cunt and
Speaker 1: and the merch that it extolled. Fruit is what candy
Speaker 1: is based on. Fruit is what candy is based on
Speaker 1: end Summer of count. You can find them both in
Speaker 1: the merg store on loss Culture, see t public com um. Sudi,
Speaker 1: you are right you You and I knew Matt when
Speaker 1: and but you you two especially had have we really talked,
Speaker 1: delved into this origin story about you two, that you
Speaker 1: it's a good one. Colloquium, Okay, colloquium it is. It
Speaker 1: is the story that was foretold. I feel like it's our,
Speaker 1: like it's our it's our old Testament. Yeah, okay, cool,
Speaker 1: it's no, it's like scary God. It's scary. It's it's
Speaker 1: the part of the Bible word God is really scary. Lie.
Speaker 1: If you lie, then you get swallowed up into hell
Speaker 1: on the spot exactly. The thing about the Bible is
Speaker 1: best seller, best seller, number one best selling book of
Speaker 1: all time. Talk about people don't talk about the Bible.
Speaker 1: That is at all times, that girl and that it's
Speaker 1: a rule of culture. Number the Bible is about times
Speaker 1: that girl and I look at the New York Times
Speaker 1: bestseller list and I think, where the Bible. Yeah, it's true.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like it's kind of like the Happy
Speaker 1: Birthday of books. It really because really really, because if
Speaker 1: if you really think about it, if the charts really
Speaker 1: reflected music, if the charts really reflected music, happy Birthday
Speaker 1: would always be number one. If so facto visa v.
Speaker 1: Happy Birthday is God, Yes, absolutely, it's actually a real
Speaker 1: culture number six. If so fact happy Birthday is God. Okay,
Speaker 1: So this is apocryphal story, Okay, Okay, So there was this.
Speaker 1: Matt and I both went to y U. We went
Speaker 1: to Dramatic writing um and he I was a freshman
Speaker 1: year year older than me. Famously, you're a year older.
Speaker 1: Now we're five days apart or five days part and
Speaker 1: yet Bowen graduated with me, which feels like political because
Speaker 1: I skipped a grade. Wow, I started earlier and started
Speaker 1: too late. My mom wanted me to start early, but
Speaker 1: I did not pass the test you had to pass
Speaker 1: to like go to kindergarten your and her immigrant heart
Speaker 1: was shut her. She still brings it up because afterwards
Speaker 1: I guess. I said, um that the woman who gave
Speaker 1: me the test was mean. And then my mom is
Speaker 1: always like this is so classic my mom, Like she
Speaker 1: was mean to her and she intimidated her. And here
Speaker 1: she she's like five years old, you know, and like
Speaker 1: she didn't and she didn't think I'm dealing with a
Speaker 1: five year old, you know. And that's and that's why
Speaker 1: she didn't. She didn't go to She didn't and that's
Speaker 1: why I will say it's one of two two tests
Speaker 1: Sudi Green has not passed in her life, the second
Speaker 1: being when Sudi was my plus one when I was
Speaker 1: famously on Who Wants to Be a Millionaire? And they
Speaker 1: said to her, Sudi, you were so good on camera
Speaker 1: as his plus one, would you like to take the test?
Speaker 1: And she said, I don't know. She had just thought
Speaker 1: it as an l She was like, I don't know
Speaker 1: if they'll even let me be on an ABC show.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I get it. When I get it,
Speaker 1: like when will I come back? Like what if they
Speaker 1: need me? And then she did not pass the test.
Speaker 1: First of all, I rushed it because I wanted to
Speaker 1: get to p F Changs. It's to Las Vegas in
Speaker 1: Las Vegas, which when I the only other time I
Speaker 1: had gone to Las Vegas, I was like nine years old.
Speaker 1: My aunt lived there, was we were like, let's go
Speaker 1: to um Las Vegas and visit her. Was also the
Speaker 1: first time that I was cat called. I think I
Speaker 1: was like eleven years six. Did have tits when I
Speaker 1: was seven, but like me and you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: we know we know those girls. But I went to
Speaker 1: PF Changs and I thought it was the only p
Speaker 1: F Changs that existed, and I was like, this is
Speaker 1: the most glamorous restaurant in the world. And then like cosmically,
Speaker 1: when we were back in Las Vegas, I was like,
Speaker 1: I want to go to this PF Chang's. And but
Speaker 1: also we when we went to Millionaire Matt was on Millionaire,
Speaker 1: were with all these people who had studied Matt and
Speaker 1: I had not studied at all. We're like made you know,
Speaker 1: like when you're in those situations and you're like in
Speaker 1: close quarters and you like make friends with people. And
Speaker 1: we made friends with this like mother daughter pair, and
Speaker 1: they had been like taking a road trip and we're
Speaker 1: doing like states and trivia. I'm looking at maps and
Speaker 1: all this stuff, and then all of the practice questions
Speaker 1: that we did, I knew the answers for, and so
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I got this in the bag.
Speaker 1: We don't need to study. And then actually the question
Speaker 1: that I called city up for to help me with
Speaker 1: on millionaire, I will have gotten that right. It was
Speaker 1: the low Here's what it was was that. So sometimes
Speaker 1: they do a millionaire these questions that sound like they're
Speaker 1: asking you one thing, but they're really asking you another.
Speaker 1: So it was like this ultra marathon and I had
Speaker 1: just read a book and watched a documentary and all
Speaker 1: the ultramara which was Peak Suity Green that she had
Speaker 1: read a book. At the time, I was dating a
Speaker 1: guy from Colorado, so it kind of all tracked. Um,
Speaker 1: this ultramarathon goes from the highest point in the state
Speaker 1: to the lowest point in the state. Where does it end, Well, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: it said in the highest point in the continent of
Speaker 1: the United States to the lowest point of the continent. Essentially,
Speaker 1: it's asking in which state is that death Valley, which
Speaker 1: is California. So so one of the answers was Utah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and one of the most Colorado, and one of them
Speaker 1: is California. And then there was another one that definitely
Speaker 1: wasn't it. But I brought Studie up and said my
Speaker 1: in She said her instinct was California, and I said
Speaker 1: my instinct was Utah and she said, well, the question
Speaker 1: is really asking this And I was like, well, that's
Speaker 1: Death Valley and she said that's in California. I'm like,
Speaker 1: was that the answer? And we struggled for about six
Speaker 1: minutes to give that answer. You weren't. You did an
Speaker 1: iconic red dress with an iconic red lip. That was
Speaker 1: Becky sho Cooin's dress that when Becky lost all that weight,
Speaker 1: she gave me so many of her old clothes and
Speaker 1: that was a beautiful and Taylor Loft dress that was
Speaker 1: very flattering on me that I wore too, I think
Speaker 1: every other show my first year at s now Wow.
Speaker 1: I remember you showed up in that dress and I
Speaker 1: was like, well, I'm upstaged. Fuck, it was just a
Speaker 1: red Yeah, but you knew that you have to wear
Speaker 1: a bold color on cam. You knew that. And there
Speaker 1: I am in a gray shirt, gray bow gray. But
Speaker 1: look oh but soon and I have both accompanied you
Speaker 1: at these iconic shows ABC shows, even which we I
Speaker 1: I we iconically go to ABC Daytime Shows. That's something
Speaker 1: that this this is our history as we go to
Speaker 1: Iconic Daytime ABE Daytime ABC shows. We are all holding hands.
Speaker 1: So anyway, I cut you off when you were telling
Speaker 1: the colloquium story. Okay, So there was this uh where
Speaker 1: Adam yo, and there was this class called Colloquium that
Speaker 1: we took our freshman year. So Matt and I were
Speaker 1: like both essentially freshman in the department and it was
Speaker 1: like you had to write a five minute scene a monologue.
Speaker 1: It was a monologue because it was you had to
Speaker 1: in colloquium. You would write a scene and then you
Speaker 1: get the other writers in the class to act out
Speaker 1: a scene so you could see your own work. So
Speaker 1: then on the first um day we had to write
Speaker 1: a monologue and performance so that you could know who
Speaker 1: of the writers in the class were good act Well,
Speaker 1: the way they phrased it was like, so you can
Speaker 1: get a sense of everyone and how to cast them.
Speaker 1: But this was kind of saying, yeah, if you're a performer,
Speaker 1: show us so that we can use you in the scenes. So, um,
Speaker 1: I think you went first or I went first. I'm
Speaker 1: sure that I went first. I because I remember leaving
Speaker 1: to go to the bathroom after I'd gone, and what
Speaker 1: was your monologue about? My monologue was what I did
Speaker 1: was I cheated. I did not write it in a
Speaker 1: riginal mono. I absolutely knew that you were Okay. Well,
Speaker 1: I put my iTunes on shuffle, and every time it
Speaker 1: ends on a different song, I wrote an anecdote about
Speaker 1: why that song was in my library and yeah and so,
Speaker 1: and it was essentially it was like storytelling. I no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no no. But so then he's like talking about He's like, okay,
Speaker 1: so I'm on um, I'm in Long Island, I'm at
Speaker 1: this concert or whatever. And then I was like, this
Speaker 1: bitch is improvising. You could tell he was improvising. And
Speaker 1: I was sitting here and I was like, he's very funny.
Speaker 1: He's a very good actor, he's very charismatic. He did
Speaker 1: not write all of this down. He's making it up.
Speaker 1: And I was kind of like, who else I would say?
Speaker 1: I would say that it was all written down, but
Speaker 1: I was taking liberties based on what people were responding to,
Speaker 1: and that is performance. Wow. And then I sat down
Speaker 1: feeling feeling like I had crushed. I felt like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go to the bathroom. Went to the bathroom,
Speaker 1: and not for nothing, but these writers weren't like crushing it,
Speaker 1: and I felt I could go to the bathroom. I'm
Speaker 1: in the bathroom. I took about two minutes, and then
Speaker 1: I walked back and everyone was laughing and this girl
Speaker 1: was on stage and it was suity and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: finally someone's like got something up there. And it was
Speaker 1: a sorority MODELO. It was like, I was, you were
Speaker 1: a sority girl like getting people to come out for
Speaker 1: Russ I was, I was. I was like pumping. I
Speaker 1: was a freshman girl, like pumping herself up to pledge
Speaker 1: right right right, And it was really funny. And I
Speaker 1: remember thinking, Okay, well, I guess like that's the girl
Speaker 1: I'll cast in my scenes. And then Billy Domino was
Speaker 1: also there, who was also about a longtime friend. He
Speaker 1: was for those of you who might know, he was
Speaker 1: the one who wrote the Seinfeld eleven spec script later
Speaker 1: on and he wrote for family Guy and he's our
Speaker 1: good friend. He was so funny, and he was wearing
Speaker 1: a salmon jacket, which he also wore for every single
Speaker 1: gentleman party show brings salmon jacket and I'll never forget
Speaker 1: how horny I got for this funny man in a
Speaker 1: salmon coat doing a crazy and then he cast us
Speaker 1: in his scene, and that he wrote a scene which
Speaker 1: was you were My Wife, and I was calling Broadway
Speaker 1: to try to get tickets to cast which I just closed,
Speaker 1: which had just close. It was us a scene with
Speaker 1: us in the hotel room. It was very funny, and
Speaker 1: I remember like we took taking it really seriously and whatever,
Speaker 1: and we do the rehearsals and then we're about to
Speaker 1: go up and this is like also Matt and I
Speaker 1: are definitely like actors who are right Like we were
Speaker 1: both like to scared to be we're too scared to
Speaker 1: go an audition and being the studios ye titian. So
Speaker 1: we were like, oh, we get to write and perform whatever.
Speaker 1: This was getting us horny. And then I will never
Speaker 1: forget Matt turns to me. We were about to go up,
Speaker 1: and Matt turns to me and he goes, just so
Speaker 1: you know, I'm really going to commit, and she just
Speaker 1: nodded like m And I was like, what did you
Speaker 1: want to say to him in that moment? Well, I
Speaker 1: like understood because I was like, he doesn't want to
Speaker 1: be caught trying. He doesn't want to go out there
Speaker 1: and really do it, and especially like coming from like
Speaker 1: our high schools, which was like a lot of like
Speaker 1: people not taking anything seriously, and and he was like,
Speaker 1: just so you know, I'm really going to commit. And
Speaker 1: I took it as like he doesn't want to be
Speaker 1: out there alone, and me, I'm thinking, bitch, I'm going
Speaker 1: to get my lap I don't know who's actually great.
Speaker 1: And then we really slayed. We did very well, and
Speaker 1: the scene was funny. That's why, well, I mean it
Speaker 1: was it was mad. I mean, like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's funny thinking about both of you when we I
Speaker 1: knew you in college and just like how much raw
Speaker 1: talent you had and how like from a very early
Speaker 1: time in our lives people were just like that person
Speaker 1: is really good at a school full of very good people.
Speaker 1: And then now to like see how you've honed it
Speaker 1: and how you've developed it and like who the artists
Speaker 1: you are today. It's um corny because I think I
Speaker 1: think back on my time in college and I just
Speaker 1: I fucking cringe, like about just about like the jokes
Speaker 1: I would make on stage. I remember my first danger
Speaker 1: of boction I made. It was a dumb like pseudo
Speaker 1: dandip bit that I made up on the spot. I
Speaker 1: was like, it was there was It was an initiating
Speaker 1: I initiated a scene. It had nothing to do with
Speaker 1: the monologue, had nothing to do with any any idea generator.
Speaker 1: It was just me and Nicole out there and I go,
Speaker 1: you know, you think Gandhi's in hell because he wasn't
Speaker 1: a Christian like it, it was not. It was me
Speaker 1: trying to be funny, which is like Cardinal Sin was
Speaker 1: like a pre selected line that was me Like feel
Speaker 1: like a lot of college improv is like that. I know.
Speaker 1: But and then I just I truly think about my
Speaker 1: behavior at Hammercats shows, which the sketch coup at anyone
Speaker 1: that Study and Matt were both on and I would
Speaker 1: go to it would go to those shows fanatic and
Speaker 1: I would just be drunk off my ass and I
Speaker 1: would just happen. I'd be like, I'll never forget, I'll
Speaker 1: never forget we were And I was in a video
Speaker 1: sketch called Topless Scene, which was my my sketch where
Speaker 1: it's like these young boys who are like so excited
Speaker 1: because one of them is like they're so horny and
Speaker 1: they're like, Okay, my uncle has this DVD laying around
Speaker 1: and it says it has the best top of scenes.
Speaker 1: He's always talking about this, that the time codes written.
Speaker 1: The time codes are written right here. It says, this
Speaker 1: is where the best ship is. Like it was like
Speaker 1: a porny video and they put it in and it
Speaker 1: was me and Gina Phillips. Oh my god, I love
Speaker 1: Gene and and the game was that it was me
Speaker 1: showing my titties, my nipples, like revealing them slow like
Speaker 1: a like a woman does, like a gorgeous, tastefully done
Speaker 1: nude thing. And I kept showing my breast. I think
Speaker 1: I might put that online actually, but I remember hearing
Speaker 1: you screaming it was great. It was funny, well people,
Speaker 1: because in the audience it was actually terrible because people
Speaker 1: and like the in front of me would be like,
Speaker 1: that was me. That was me at the improv shows.
Speaker 1: I will be screaming at the improv shows now if
Speaker 1: I saw someone out like that, fuck you know what
Speaker 1: I you know, it's ketching up all the time to
Speaker 1: you and that you're always like, oh yeah is and
Speaker 1: I fucking this is one of my favorite Hammercats Sketches
Speaker 1: was the DVD commentary of Doubt and It's duty and
Speaker 1: it's like I'm the direct dri right aund the producer,
Speaker 1: and then studios like, hi, my name is Barbara. I
Speaker 1: was Craft Services, and then like all the people would
Speaker 1: like chime in with some dating that together. I don't
Speaker 1: think that was me. I think it was just you
Speaker 1: and you know what it might have been you and
Speaker 1: David Cera and then like your character, we're trying to
Speaker 1: be like yes, and that day on said we had
Speaker 1: a cob style. Just thinking about a time in my
Speaker 1: life where I would laugh at comedy. Wow. I mean
Speaker 1: that was something that like when I did improve, people
Speaker 1: would be like, you're so supportive. I love it when
Speaker 1: you're in the audience. You're such a supportive like audience member.
Speaker 1: And like cut to me at s n L at
Speaker 1: a table read reading something that I know is objectively
Speaker 1: funny and me going suti laugh because I want, like
Speaker 1: the stuff that I know is good to get laughs.
Speaker 1: It's like I have to be like, well, it's become
Speaker 1: your job. It's become literally your job. It's the currency
Speaker 1: which is which makes it like co modified in your
Speaker 1: own brain. Well, I also think it's just like full burnout.
Speaker 1: And also like I'm not I've seen so much. We've
Speaker 1: all seen so much, so you're excited by less. It
Speaker 1: takes more to get you excited. But I mean, like,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that I like fake laughs in the
Speaker 1: table read. I'm saying it's like I'm reading a sketch
Speaker 1: that I know it's funny, and I wanted to be
Speaker 1: on the show. Therefore, I have to like force myself
Speaker 1: to be like, that's a joke, Sudi laugh even though
Speaker 1: I'm my brain is saying this is funny and my
Speaker 1: body isn't laughing. He's talking specifically about your own sketches. No,
Speaker 1: I haven't laugh at my own sketches. I like full
Speaker 1: If you see me in my own sketches, I am subterranean.
Speaker 1: I like hide my little head. I like. And then
Speaker 1: a lot of times I turned to brand and I go,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, because, like, if it was my pitch and
Speaker 1: it didn't go well, I mean, even if it's going well,
Speaker 1: I'm usually hiding. I'm hiding no matter what, And afterwards
Speaker 1: I'm beat red. You want to know, I think she
Speaker 1: wouldn't mind me sharing this. So I sit next to
Speaker 1: dressin at table reads, and well, first of all, the
Speaker 1: experience of table reads is crazy because when your sketch
Speaker 1: is about to go up, you know the order and
Speaker 1: you know your sketch is about to come up, and
Speaker 1: I just do this thing where I just literally brace myself.
Speaker 1: I just put my hands on my knees and he
Speaker 1: and also the couple of sketches before you sketch, you're
Speaker 1: not you're not paying attention. You're not there at all
Speaker 1: at all. So I'm just like planting my feet on
Speaker 1: the ground. I'm like stay grounded, like feel your feet.
Speaker 1: This is where you are just like living in. And
Speaker 1: then the most of the time it fucking eat ship.
Speaker 1: And then I'll either get from dressing like like a
Speaker 1: like a like a very like understanding but like you
Speaker 1: tried like a couple like tap tap or like sorry
Speaker 1: you know or like sorry or like you know, when
Speaker 1: something goes well, She'll be like She'll it'll be like
Speaker 1: a stroking and a rub and I'm like, oh I did,
Speaker 1: Like that's like my marker for like it's so it's
Speaker 1: such a crazy. It's also like calming. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I gotta say I just love it when Anna, I
Speaker 1: just love it annas like it's like a nice check
Speaker 1: in and also like nice to be like, oh I
Speaker 1: I'm not going through this experience alone, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Yeah, And it's fascinating to find out how
Speaker 1: it happens there. It's live. They have never reader, they
Speaker 1: have never discussed this with me. They don't ever what happens.
Speaker 1: But what happens at that job reader? It is behind
Speaker 1: closed doors. And I've never even heard the words table
Speaker 1: read and I didn't even know there was a table read.
Speaker 1: That's how it works. What is it? Honestly in media,
Speaker 1: there's nothing about how SNL works. Yeah, I don't know
Speaker 1: scenes and this is the only chance will ever get
Speaker 1: to know that this is how it happened. No one
Speaker 1: in news media has ever asked the question, so what
Speaker 1: is a typical week at SML? Like nobody, I don't
Speaker 1: even know. So on Monday, what happens, ma'am? Okay, man,
Speaker 1: I don't want to talk about this. Isn't it weird? Okay?
Speaker 1: So wait we have to say so at Nantucket. At Nantucket,
Speaker 1: you I haven't caught up. I haven't seen you guys,
Speaker 1: And you guys got back. So we went to you
Speaker 1: got an Award for As with Heidi Gardner and Miss
Speaker 1: Jane Curtin and and and beats and um, that was wonderful.
Speaker 1: And then we were talking the next day about the job,
Speaker 1: and out of nowhere at Brunch City just goes, I
Speaker 1: don't want to talk about us, and I was just like,
Speaker 1: can we just stop? I'm sorry, And then I go,
Speaker 1: and then I got I'm sorry, I'm psycho. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm psycho. I'm sorry, I'm psycho. Still I understood why
Speaker 1: I didn't want to talk to that lately though, Like
Speaker 1: I have just been like getting into panic situations or
Speaker 1: like sometimes and I never used to be like this,
Speaker 1: but like sometimes something's happening and I need to just
Speaker 1: like go, you know, or if it's a conversation, I'm
Speaker 1: just like, can we start talking about this? Like I
Speaker 1: just it just I don't know. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: What is that? Do you feel more anxious recently? I mean,
Speaker 1: right now, in this moment that we're recording this episode,
Speaker 1: you are working on a million different things. I don't
Speaker 1: know what it is. I think it is. I think
Speaker 1: it is like panic and feeling uncomfortable. I mean, not
Speaker 1: in that situation, that situation I was just like, I
Speaker 1: kind of maybe clock that we had been talking about work,
Speaker 1: and you know, it's never like relaxing. It's interesting to
Speaker 1: talk about, but it's also like the thing that I
Speaker 1: talked about the moment sometimes I forget that, you know.
Speaker 1: It's like, I mean, honestly, like I feel like you
Speaker 1: like to talk about it um less than therapy though,
Speaker 1: you know, if stuff is going on, you want to
Speaker 1: like be like, so, this is what happened at work.
Speaker 1: But I guess I just feel like I don't know
Speaker 1: in terms of the like leaving. I think it's me
Speaker 1: just not It's just like a survival tactic. It's like
Speaker 1: I don't know what's going to happen if I keep
Speaker 1: doing this. Yeah. Well, I also think it's like it's
Speaker 1: hard to it's hard to be. I mean, I've been
Speaker 1: experiencing this over the past five months. So it's like
Speaker 1: when you were busy professionally. Um, the the and God
Speaker 1: bless and we thank God, God, We thank God, God,
Speaker 1: thank you and God? Which is who is God? Again?
Speaker 1: We said at the beginning of the Happy, Happy Birthday God.
Speaker 1: Every year he has a birthday. It is Christmas. Yes, honey,
Speaker 1: all right, So when you are professionally fulfilled or busy
Speaker 1: in that way you freak out about personal life. Yes,
Speaker 1: I mean that is me is and when you so.
Speaker 1: Sudie called me a couple weeks ago and was in
Speaker 1: a state and I was like, what is this? You
Speaker 1: were speaking in a tone of voice I've never heard
Speaker 1: and like a date hadn't gone well or whatever. Do
Speaker 1: you care if I say this? Well? And then I
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, I think what's happening is like you're
Speaker 1: just overwhelmed and like you put a lot of pressure
Speaker 1: on the personal life stuff because you don't have too
Speaker 1: much time for it. And I guess advice that's like
Speaker 1: like you know what I mean. It's like when when
Speaker 1: you choose to spend an evening with someone, it's like
Speaker 1: if it doesn't go well, it's a little anxiety inducing
Speaker 1: because like that was like maybe the one or two
Speaker 1: nights of the week where like you had time for that.
Speaker 1: Also for me too, I think like this situation. Basically
Speaker 1: I went on a date with the guy. It was
Speaker 1: like a second date, and I had drank a little
Speaker 1: bit too much and then I was just kind of
Speaker 1: like I need to go. I don't want to do
Speaker 1: this because I wasn't having a good time, and I
Speaker 1: sort of checked in with myself. We're moving to like
Speaker 1: another bar, and I was like, I'm not having fun
Speaker 1: and I'm making this fun for the both about why
Speaker 1: am I making this happen? I'm being charming, I'm being
Speaker 1: perform yes, And I was like, why am I doing this?
Speaker 1: This is not what I'm feeling, which is something I
Speaker 1: have a tendency to do, which is like I do
Speaker 1: too much like if if if a situation is quiet,
Speaker 1: I feel like I have to make a conversation. Like
Speaker 1: it's always like, you know, the ball. I always feel
Speaker 1: like the balls in my court. And so then I
Speaker 1: was just like with this guy, and especially with like dating,
Speaker 1: I'm like, what's going to happen? He's gonna take me
Speaker 1: to my apartment and then is he going to try
Speaker 1: and kiss me? And then I'm going to have to
Speaker 1: say no? Or is it going to have to be
Speaker 1: a conversation? And I mean I wasn't like scared or anything.
Speaker 1: He was like perfectly nice or you know whatever, but
Speaker 1: I was just kind of like and also I was drunk,
Speaker 1: and so we were by the street that I would
Speaker 1: turn on to go home, but we were going to
Speaker 1: another bar, and I was just like, I have to go.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I have to go. I'm sorry, I have
Speaker 1: to go. I'm sorry. And then he was like it's fine,
Speaker 1: Like that's fine. Um. And then she called me and
Speaker 1: was upset and I was like, yeah, you were upset.
Speaker 1: I know. But this is why I love about New
Speaker 1: York because like you can be like on the phone
Speaker 1: and nobody looks. I was embarrassed for point two seconds,
Speaker 1: and then I was like, it's Williamsburg. It's Thursday night
Speaker 1: at around ten pm. I'm actually acting normal. But I
Speaker 1: could tell that I could tell that you were beating
Speaker 1: up on yourself. Yeah, for reasons that were like I
Speaker 1: think you know what I mean. It's just kind of
Speaker 1: the thing of like and also who cares at the
Speaker 1: end of the day what this person thinks. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I think you were like worried about the decorum of
Speaker 1: the situation socially, and it's just like at the end
Speaker 1: of the day. Okay, So I'm gonna share this. My
Speaker 1: sister just left her job, like she's she's been very
Speaker 1: miserable at her job for a while, and now she
Speaker 1: is gonna, you know, try something new. She might even
Speaker 1: go go to culinary school. I'm really proud of and
Speaker 1: so um, I said to her. She was asking what
Speaker 1: was going on with me? And I've been tild I
Speaker 1: was updating her and she was like. I was like,
Speaker 1: what's up with you? And she was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I'm so upset, Like, um, I really not happy at
Speaker 1: my job. And I said, I just flat outside. I
Speaker 1: was like, well, you need to quit and she was like,
Speaker 1: I know, I know, I know I've needed to quit
Speaker 1: for a long time. And I was like, well, you
Speaker 1: don't have an excuse now that you know you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. Now it's on you if you keep
Speaker 1: going in there and are unhappy. And she said, I'm
Speaker 1: nervous that if I go in there to my boss's
Speaker 1: office that I'm gonna cry. And I was like what
Speaker 1: is this. I was like, you know who cares? And
Speaker 1: I said to her, I I said to her, and
Speaker 1: I would say to everyone, your emotions are a strength
Speaker 1: and we have to always remember that, like, yeah, you
Speaker 1: don't want to be a fucking mess everywhere, but stop
Speaker 1: being afraid and anxious that you're going to have an
Speaker 1: emotional reaction to something. And that is something in our culture.
Speaker 1: I think with a lot of people where they say, well,
Speaker 1: I don't want to be too emotional, I don't want
Speaker 1: to be disturbance. I don't want to be disruptive parts
Speaker 1: of yourselves. I mean, I'm like a big compartmentalizer, big compartmentalizer,
Speaker 1: and I just think, like, first of all, because if
Speaker 1: you're a woman, especially in a workplace, and you're cry
Speaker 1: or emotional or get angry or whatever, you're immediately labeled
Speaker 1: as crazy. I mean the amount of times that I've
Speaker 1: been in a conversation and I think especially happens with
Speaker 1: comedians where it's like, oh, how she she's crazy. I
Speaker 1: hear that all the time, and sometimes I'm just like, actually,
Speaker 1: all the time, I'm like, no, that's actually psycho. When
Speaker 1: we were in Nantucket, I did this panel um uh
Speaker 1: with these ladies of s n L. And it was
Speaker 1: in a church. It was in a big, beautiful church,
Speaker 1: and there was a minister there who was um first
Speaker 1: of all gorgeous hot. So I mean, I don't know,
Speaker 1: Priest MSR, I don't know. I'm I'm I'm I don't
Speaker 1: know that. I don't know that world. Yes, female had
Speaker 1: was beautiful in tan Um like a woman in her
Speaker 1: forties with gorgeous arms um obviously ran you know, runner's arms.
Speaker 1: She was wearing a blue sleeveless like kind of a
Speaker 1: sleeveless turtleneck that was um showing that she was a
Speaker 1: runner obviously, and a black knee length skirt, and she
Speaker 1: was gorgeous. And I remember clocking like female priest. And
Speaker 1: then somebody made a joke about like cursing in the church,
Speaker 1: ha ha ha. Then I'm on stage and I said
Speaker 1: fuck like four times, ship like three times, which I
Speaker 1: don't really think I talked like that, and I did
Speaker 1: a bit of like sorry God every time and then,
Speaker 1: which is funny because it's not real, and that was
Speaker 1: why it was funny to me. I don't know if
Speaker 1: anybody was like on that base reality with me Nantucket,
Speaker 1: especially like the kids and the old people. But um,
Speaker 1: I'm like sorry God. And then we go off stage
Speaker 1: and somebody like mentioned it and I who cares. They're
Speaker 1: just words, they mean nothing, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: And then I was like, oh, I was surprised because
Speaker 1: I think that I didn't realize maybe how shocking it
Speaker 1: genuinely was, or scandalizing it genuinely was. And then I
Speaker 1: was like, should I feel bad about that? And then
Speaker 1: I realized, no, No, it's so strange when you have
Speaker 1: to censor language, when when you get when you come
Speaker 1: upon a situation where you have to sensor your language,
Speaker 1: I have to actively do it well and that in
Speaker 1: that scenario, it's like, it's not it's it's just this
Speaker 1: very general, broad global way that you're using these words
Speaker 1: that would offend someone quote unquote, but it's like you're
Speaker 1: not calling someone well. I said fun God, and I
Speaker 1: bared my breath. But it was asked me, you know,
Speaker 1: is it hard to be a woman in comedy? And
Speaker 1: I said, fun God, and I bared my breast. But
Speaker 1: it was like, happy birthday God. It was a happy
Speaker 1: birthday to God is a straight, good blooded America. God
Speaker 1: is actually one of the hornyest men I've ever met. God. Actually, um, yeah,
Speaker 1: let's just say God has a real mouth and a
Speaker 1: real dick on him. Now let's let's say that I
Speaker 1: want us to check in. So this is summer. God's
Speaker 1: like David Dukovney in Californication. That's exactly what God's like.
Speaker 1: That's who I imagine when I imagine God, And oh God,
Speaker 1: there's that disgusting poster where it's all those women's disembodied
Speaker 1: women's hands all over him, and it's like it's like
Speaker 1: a Marsha when a woman is just a body parts
Speaker 1: that Well, yeah, it's Marsha Belsky. No space like a
Speaker 1: faceless one. I want to check in its summer of
Speaker 1: count to the clumps. Um, how are we doing this summer?
Speaker 1: Let's let's get let's go around the table. Um, let's see, um,
Speaker 1: let's see. I have definitely lived a little life over
Speaker 1: the past five Do you really have know what have
Speaker 1: you been doing? I don't know what. Um. I have
Speaker 1: experienced life in a new culture, and I actually grew
Speaker 1: to really enjoy that and the space I was given
Speaker 1: to be like examining my personal life definitely made me
Speaker 1: a little crazy there for a minute. Okay, definitely made
Speaker 1: me a little crazy there for a minute. I've had
Speaker 1: some experiences with men that have left me. So it's
Speaker 1: the it's this the fact that you had this space
Speaker 1: to examine yourself that was crazy making. Well here's the
Speaker 1: thing I think, had I like been doing my thing
Speaker 1: and also like once the other two room ended, I
Speaker 1: was still in Los angele List for a little while,
Speaker 1: and so then I was kind of like there for
Speaker 1: a few couple of weeks just because I wanted. I
Speaker 1: scheduled a couple of weeks at the end of my
Speaker 1: l A trips so I could take meetings and hang out,
Speaker 1: and I wanted to enjoy the weather and just be
Speaker 1: there for And so in that time, I let myself
Speaker 1: get absolutely hung up on one guy that I hooked
Speaker 1: up with. I had something go on here, and then
Speaker 1: I felt like a true nineteen year old for someone
Speaker 1: that really didn't necessarily deserve that of me. And then
Speaker 1: and and so it doesn't matter how real it is
Speaker 1: or not, but it just because I was given the
Speaker 1: space to do that, I was cuckoo. Then without saying
Speaker 1: like too too too much, like a friendship developed into
Speaker 1: something and now I'm going to like see what happens.
Speaker 1: And so now I'm kind of that sounds very nice
Speaker 1: and grounded and cool and actually very mature. And I
Speaker 1: have been really waiting for something nice and ground that
Speaker 1: I'm cool and mature, and I just hope that that
Speaker 1: um continues to be the case. UM. But it's just
Speaker 1: like it's interest new feelings, and so I think that
Speaker 1: was also a little bit of an element of an
Speaker 1: element of why I wasn't said to come back. Something
Speaker 1: I didn't expect to happen happens. Also though, I think
Speaker 1: that in a lot of like what you're doing now,
Speaker 1: and because there's so many changes and there's so much stimulation,
Speaker 1: and it almost like kind of feels to me like
Speaker 1: you're going l It was like almost like college point too.
Speaker 1: It's like a big new social scene that you are
Speaker 1: a part of abroad. Yeah, exactly, and like you're falling
Speaker 1: into this. And I also feel like something that you
Speaker 1: could marinate on and it doesn't have to be right
Speaker 1: and it can change. But listen to yourself when you
Speaker 1: talk about what you want, because I think that you
Speaker 1: don't really know what you want and that you you
Speaker 1: you can sense something happening. But then also sometimes you
Speaker 1: go back into yourself and you're like, well, this is
Speaker 1: who I really am or this is my lifestyle that
Speaker 1: I like. And I'm not saying that there's like a
Speaker 1: right or wrong answer, but I do feel like thing
Speaker 1: that you could meditate on is like what am I
Speaker 1: looking for? Yeah, I mean, yes, I think, I think,
Speaker 1: I think honestly, it's it's hard right now to even
Speaker 1: think about what you want while things change so much,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like it's just so much
Speaker 1: just changing right now, and that's it's great and it's exciting.
Speaker 1: But yeah, but sometimes you just have to be like
Speaker 1: everything is in flux right now, and like, especially when
Speaker 1: you're traveling and doing a bunch of stuff, you just
Speaker 1: kind of sometimes such to be like, wait, all parties
Speaker 1: involved are playing everything very cool, and I'm grateful. That's great.
Speaker 1: And I think maybe what study is saying is and
Speaker 1: I think I'm butchering the actual like terminology here, But
Speaker 1: it's like narrative self versus experiential self, where it's like
Speaker 1: you gotta lead with the narrative self, where you you've
Speaker 1: got to know what your story is, like what the
Speaker 1: story of you is right now in this moment, Like
Speaker 1: I story of you has never been to What is
Speaker 1: the story of you? And who is the author of it?
Speaker 1: Is it you? I think it is me? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't think it's good. I'll tell you this. I did
Speaker 1: something last night that I never do. What which is
Speaker 1: I dismissed someone? Oh, I Matt told me about this.
Speaker 1: So there was someone that this person that that you've met,
Speaker 1: this person decided that you were talking about. This person
Speaker 1: decided they were going to hook up with me and Bowen.
Speaker 1: I love coded podcast language. I love this. I love
Speaker 1: it on this, and I love it on Seek Treatment
Speaker 1: because I'm listening and I'm doing my own detective work
Speaker 1: and I'm putting together the pieces and I always wonder
Speaker 1: if other people are doing it too, And right now
Speaker 1: we're in coded podcast language and I'm loving. But the
Speaker 1: thing is, like, um, this person decided they were going
Speaker 1: to try to make romantic advancements on Bowen and Matt Rogers,
Speaker 1: and I said that's not cool. And when I saw him,
Speaker 1: I said, you need to understand that's not okay, and
Speaker 1: you need to now turn away from me and walk away.
Speaker 1: Don't you love it when you have the moral high ground? Yes?
Speaker 1: I do electrifying when somebody has done something objectively wrong
Speaker 1: and you get to dress them. And I never do
Speaker 1: that because I don't think I'm the kind of person
Speaker 1: that does that. But I felt, I felt that that
Speaker 1: this needed to be a couple of moment because why
Speaker 1: are you trying to funk up my Why are you
Speaker 1: trying to funk up my friendship? Because honestly, even if
Speaker 1: that wasn't the intent. It wasn't not an uncomfortable moment,
Speaker 1: and it was a very uncomfortable moment, and just get
Speaker 1: the funk out because you do not matter in the
Speaker 1: grand scheme of this. I'm pointing to you and I
Speaker 1: so get do not think that you are going to
Speaker 1: have anything to do with any drama here by family.
Speaker 1: We are family, and I truly, I mean, for me
Speaker 1: my issue with this person, and it didn't end terribly,
Speaker 1: but I just had to be very clear and I
Speaker 1: had to be like, these are the boundaries that I've
Speaker 1: had to redefine again and again for you, and I
Speaker 1: would hope that you respect those um and so yeah,
Speaker 1: that was mine. It's just like that was crazy, okay,
Speaker 1: And I felt proud of myself that I could do that.
Speaker 1: And I don't think me six months ago would have
Speaker 1: been able to stand up for myself like that. I
Speaker 1: think I would have tried to be congenial and be like,
Speaker 1: it's okay, I understand people make mistakes, but that person
Speaker 1: tried to hurt us. You don't think that you and
Speaker 1: I at some point though, could share not share a lover,
Speaker 1: but like absolutely not. Really, I don't want to do
Speaker 1: that I don't want that to be part of our
Speaker 1: our story. I think if you, I think, here's here's
Speaker 1: here's what I think. If I were to hook up
Speaker 1: with someone and then whatever you told me like this
Speaker 1: means something to me, I would give you that blessing.
Speaker 1: I might feel about it a certain way, but I
Speaker 1: think I think that's the difference to like, it's like,
Speaker 1: do you feel like you this is really worth it
Speaker 1: and this is a future with somebody you have a
Speaker 1: real connection, or is it just like getting your dick wash?
Speaker 1: I mean, I will flat out say right now, my
Speaker 1: ex boyfriend now dates my one of my best friends
Speaker 1: from college and someone I roomed. I was his roommate
Speaker 1: in college. It was one of the stupidest things I've
Speaker 1: ever gone through. It was emotionally insane. But are they
Speaker 1: better together and happy together? And should they? Should they
Speaker 1: be that? Absolutely? When something is real, you step to
Speaker 1: the side, right, you do, And that is the difference.
Speaker 1: So you ask, could we ever share someone like that? Absolutely?
Speaker 1: If it meant something to you? Okay, don't you agree?
Speaker 1: I agree? I totally agree. But I've just this thing
Speaker 1: I knew was like a frivolous thing, and so I
Speaker 1: was just like, you know what, go learn and get
Speaker 1: some life experience away from me and my best friend. Learn,
Speaker 1: Go learn, Go learn, and reader. If you're interested in
Speaker 1: Boon Yang or Matt Rogers or both, you gotta pick.
Speaker 1: You gotta pick one. Go learn, Go learn, though, go
Speaker 1: learn first. I don't want no unlearned, man, I don't
Speaker 1: want to unlearns okay, But anyway, Yeah, and then you
Speaker 1: know professionally. Now, I'm kind of it's so funny that
Speaker 1: summer of even like, what is it last year? It
Speaker 1: was like we were all single for the first time
Speaker 1: and we're all I'm still single. Wow. Has it been
Speaker 1: like a flat year for us? No, that's not true.
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying, like, you've had some pursuits, but
Speaker 1: there's no displacement from when we were starting from summer
Speaker 1: last year. I think a lot of things have changed
Speaker 1: from somewhere I've last year profession and like in terms
Speaker 1: of like the way we live, our data for all
Speaker 1: three of us. Absolutely, I would say I also went up.
Speaker 1: I think somewhere count is also slightly about fitness. No, ma'am,
Speaker 1: here's my thing, here's my thing that I've been thinking about.
Speaker 1: Visa v fitness and you have been thinking about it.
Speaker 1: I well, I have psycho moments of being so hard
Speaker 1: on my body. And I was having a moment this
Speaker 1: weekend where I was talking about and I was just like,
Speaker 1: I'm going to get it together and I'm going to
Speaker 1: be one of those people and I'm going to be
Speaker 1: one of those people that has like a transformation and
Speaker 1: changes my body and my lifestyle and all this stuff.
Speaker 1: And I you called me out and you were like
Speaker 1: kind of like the fourth or fifth time I brought
Speaker 1: this up, and we were in the pool, and you
Speaker 1: were like, Sudi, why are you talking like this? Like
Speaker 1: if the studio I knew in college heard you talking
Speaker 1: about this, you would be like funk that, Like you know,
Speaker 1: like yes, I did say that. I was like, you know,
Speaker 1: the younger version of you would think that you're one
Speaker 1: of those girls right now. And I want you to
Speaker 1: have I want you to like be happy with what's
Speaker 1: going on, you know what I mean. Like, Also, the
Speaker 1: thing about my body is that I have been the
Speaker 1: same way since college. I mean it has really never
Speaker 1: changed that much, and I've always felt bad about it,
Speaker 1: but also always never really done too much about like
Speaker 1: you know, let me really change my diet or like,
Speaker 1: you know, I go everybody goes through like little periods
Speaker 1: of like I'm doing it. But I think that this
Speaker 1: is something that nobody really talks about, especially in our industry,
Speaker 1: because it is a fact. It's just taken as like
Speaker 1: a fact of society d or a fact of social
Speaker 1: media or whatever. But it is unchecked value in appearance.
Speaker 1: There is such an issue with unchecked value in appearance
Speaker 1: and giving people snaps and clicks when they show up
Speaker 1: fabulous when they get snatched, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: And it causes such a psychosis in such smart people,
Speaker 1: deep people, intelligent people. And I grew up with a
Speaker 1: mom who would say looks don't matter. She would say
Speaker 1: it all the time, like anytime some of us got
Speaker 1: complaining about whatever. She had two daughters and she was
Speaker 1: just like, looks don't matter. It looks don't matter. And
Speaker 1: I don't know if anybody heard that when they were kids.
Speaker 1: Maybe I was lucky to hear that when I was
Speaker 1: a kid. But I just feel like it it takes
Speaker 1: up so much of our brains. And I I've been
Speaker 1: thinking that I should really just like write down how
Speaker 1: many times I have a negative thought about my body
Speaker 1: and because I think it would be staggering and that's
Speaker 1: not who I am. That's not who I am. What
Speaker 1: do you think that? What do you think changed that?
Speaker 1: I think social media like you know, pulling a look.
Speaker 1: I feel like there's and I love when people pull
Speaker 1: looks and when people I love to look good, and
Speaker 1: I like fashion and it's a way to express yourself
Speaker 1: and express your personal style. And I think all those
Speaker 1: things are good. But then it comes into like a
Speaker 1: zone of like it's something that feels mandatory and therefore
Speaker 1: it feels like not choice. It's like you and you
Speaker 1: and I at the Christmas party this year, We're like,
Speaker 1: let's get dressed and let's go on the hall and
Speaker 1: take pictures of each other, which is not which is
Speaker 1: not like a morally bad thing to begin with. It
Speaker 1: it's not, it's not this. It does kind of feed
Speaker 1: into some aspect of unchecked uh like appreciation of beauty.
Speaker 1: But it's also like would we have done that, like
Speaker 1: had social media not being like I mean, we wouldn't have.
Speaker 1: And I also think it's like the thing that bumps
Speaker 1: me out is a lot of people that I know
Speaker 1: that are really really smart and really intel leigent, and
Speaker 1: we talk about the appearance of them or whatever so much,
Speaker 1: and then I just think, sometimes, are we being shallow?
Speaker 1: Is that person a shallow person? Is this a shallow conversation?
Speaker 1: We never talk about being shallow? And guess what all
Speaker 1: of it? Absolutely? Do you ever think about the fact
Speaker 1: that because we were coming up when Facebook was popular
Speaker 1: and there were so many pictures of you in your
Speaker 1: photo section, whereas now with Instagram you put up one
Speaker 1: a day or a few every few days, and how
Speaker 1: many likes that one gets is kind of like the
Speaker 1: barometer for how you feel right now, and you're you're
Speaker 1: really choosing to represent yourself much more singularly, are much
Speaker 1: less often well, you're commodifying also, like everything about yourself,
Speaker 1: your personal life, what you do in today versus your art. Yes,
Speaker 1: oh my god. Yeah. And so it's like it's like
Speaker 1: a weird thing where it's like like the comedian Instagram
Speaker 1: of it all, where it's like, you know, are you
Speaker 1: doing bits all the time? Are you posting a nice
Speaker 1: picture of yourself that was professionally taken? But I think
Speaker 1: there might be something to this thing of social media
Speaker 1: over the past few years. I think it's specifically you
Speaker 1: can link it to Instagram because Instagram you put up
Speaker 1: one picture or one story or whatever and then people
Speaker 1: respond or they don't, and you get good engagement on
Speaker 1: it or you don't, whereas Facebook was kind of like,
Speaker 1: of course you got likes on Facebook pictures, but there
Speaker 1: were so much content on Facebook, whereas like on Instagram,
Speaker 1: it's kind of like you have a little website pictures, right,
Speaker 1: it's just pictures. So it's said it's and that means
Speaker 1: what we're judging it on is aesthetics only, and especially
Speaker 1: as you get older and like, um, you see kind
Speaker 1: of your peers pop off and like get access to
Speaker 1: eze or clothes and like you know, are able to
Speaker 1: focus time on their bodies and stuff. It's you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't want to send judgmental because I
Speaker 1: also think like a lot of people just naturally do that.
Speaker 1: And I also feel like, you know, a lot of
Speaker 1: people have issues with their bodies and that's always gonna
Speaker 1: be something that they focus on. And you know, yeah
Speaker 1: that my thing. When it becomes feels starts to feel compulsory, yes,
Speaker 1: you know, when it starts to be part of your day, yeah,
Speaker 1: part of your day, and also like if I go
Speaker 1: to an event or if I go to something fancy
Speaker 1: and I feel like I'm not taking the right picture,
Speaker 1: or if a lot of my time has been taking
Speaker 1: a picture or whatever, or if the validation of event
Speaker 1: is those likes, which I've been in a lot where
Speaker 1: it's like, you go to the Emmys and the Emmys
Speaker 1: are not that fun. It's like a big, weird high
Speaker 1: school party. The fun of it is like getting dressed
Speaker 1: up and getting the goddamn likes, but it's not reality.
Speaker 1: But like, what is like the check diversion of that then, like,
Speaker 1: you know, like how do you? I mean, I feel
Speaker 1: like what Matt said to me the other day, which
Speaker 1: was like why are you talking like this about yourself?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Like I really needed to
Speaker 1: hear that in that moment because I was spinning out.
Speaker 1: And it's right, it's not like me. Well, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: have brought it up had it not been. I just
Speaker 1: feel like it's something that feels like it's top of
Speaker 1: mind for you, and I actually think it might be
Speaker 1: a response to hey, what you're saying with social media
Speaker 1: and be you having a lot of stuff going on,
Speaker 1: and it's that thing of like, well, what is it
Speaker 1: that I have going on outside of this? And so
Speaker 1: I think, I mean, I've been obsessing about my body
Speaker 1: too over the past like year, like like I was
Speaker 1: really unhappy with it, like the last half of last
Speaker 1: year like just tides a lot of depression I was
Speaker 1: having at the time. And then I sort of like
Speaker 1: started to kind of like myself again in November December,
Speaker 1: and then I was in the gym in December and
Speaker 1: January and not for nothing, but really made that a
Speaker 1: focus and sort of like started to really like the
Speaker 1: way I was looking. Then went to Los Angeles and
Speaker 1: kind of lost that. But there is something too making
Speaker 1: those small little changes you do you do feel better.
Speaker 1: So that's why I think it almost is like it's
Speaker 1: not unhealthy to talk about this stuff because dietary change
Speaker 1: that's good for you in so many ways. Well, everybody
Speaker 1: that like healthy foods and exercise will make you feel better,
Speaker 1: absolutely is that, you know what I mean. But I
Speaker 1: I feel like also though that how many times have
Speaker 1: you and I or anybody had gotten gone through a
Speaker 1: period of like I'm going to do this and then
Speaker 1: it's a momentary period and that makes us feel better
Speaker 1: and then life, stress, work gets in the way. It's
Speaker 1: not our priority anymore. And it's not like linear, but
Speaker 1: I mean that's my thing, which is like how much
Speaker 1: has my body actually changed? And why have I felt
Speaker 1: bad about it this whole time? Right? It's always something else,
Speaker 1: And I think it's like these things are good to
Speaker 1: think about because it's great to think I have a
Speaker 1: fitness goal or it's great to have a Yes, I
Speaker 1: think it is. I think it is. I think it's fine. Disagree.
Speaker 1: I think that it can be I can. I think
Speaker 1: it can be a distraction. And I think that we're
Speaker 1: all told we're all in this self improvement cycle because
Speaker 1: that's how we buy things, and we're constantly told that.
Speaker 1: Also because diet culture had a negative stigma on it.
Speaker 1: Now it's all about wellness and so those same things,
Speaker 1: which is like you know, eat this herb or like
Speaker 1: you know, have this t and it's healthy for you,
Speaker 1: but it's really all about losing weight. And I do
Speaker 1: think that it becomes a focus in a distraction for people.
Speaker 1: And I think sometimes it's healthy to be like I
Speaker 1: don't have a fitness goal. Well, I think having a
Speaker 1: fitness goal is different than compuls than a compulsory um
Speaker 1: demand in your brain at all times to think about
Speaker 1: your body. I mean, I think I think there are
Speaker 1: two different things having a goal and then sometimes that
Speaker 1: meeting that goal is fine because why what do you
Speaker 1: what do you think? No? Nothing, I'm just like I'm
Speaker 1: letting it hit me. And I'm just like I'm I'm
Speaker 1: fully falling victim to this this week, and like in particular,
Speaker 1: like on weight Watchers, like crazy logging all my stuff.
Speaker 1: I went to soul Cycle yesterday, but it wasn't because
Speaker 1: it was like I'm gonna be more fit. It was
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm gonna like look snatched this because
Speaker 1: it's pride. I'm just kind of like, when do we
Speaker 1: get off the wheel? That's the thing. It's like, And
Speaker 1: I understand we all do it. Everybody diets or whatever,
Speaker 1: and and and you have goals and you want to
Speaker 1: look good and you want to feel good and and
Speaker 1: that's fine, but but sometimes I just feel like that's
Speaker 1: the only conversation we're having, you know, And it's just
Speaker 1: widely accepted that your friend would just be eating less
Speaker 1: because they don't feel good about themselves. And it's just
Speaker 1: it's just when do you get off the wheel. When
Speaker 1: do you stop buying the workout classes? Do you never
Speaker 1: stop buying it? Do you never stop thinking? I want this?
Speaker 1: Now I have that, I want this. I want to
Speaker 1: have that. Especially if you are given praise and validation
Speaker 1: for your looks at a young age, you don't know
Speaker 1: how to get that validation and from from something else
Speaker 1: where it's ingrained in you. I mean, it's an uphill battle.
Speaker 1: I feel like there is such a huge system at
Speaker 1: work to make us constantly think about fitness, exercise, diet.
Speaker 1: I do think, even despite individuals and what it's done
Speaker 1: for people, and that, you know, people who have good intentions,
Speaker 1: the overall system is get your money, and behind it
Speaker 1: is Behind that system to get your money is like
Speaker 1: how impervious it is in our brains. Well, we were
Speaker 1: just talking to Betty Gilban about this UM and she
Speaker 1: said that she goes on late night shows. I thought
Speaker 1: this was really interesting. She goes on late night shows
Speaker 1: and guess her hair and makeup done for two hours
Speaker 1: and literally people are like, you know, really kind of
Speaker 1: like focusing on making her look like the TV star
Speaker 1: for her you know, Jimmy Kimmel interview, and then she
Speaker 1: does a seven or eight minute Kimmel interview, and there's
Speaker 1: no comment on the fact that, like this just happened
Speaker 1: to get her ready for this, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And you think about that and you think every single
Speaker 1: time you see someone on a late night show, someone
Speaker 1: has worked to get them to the place where they
Speaker 1: are television ready. You know, these people that are on Instagram,
Speaker 1: they have worked to get that picture in the place
Speaker 1: where it can be up to their standards or up
Speaker 1: to your standards, and there's never nary a comment on
Speaker 1: the fact on the work, except for like thanks to
Speaker 1: my glam But it's just baseline what those people do.
Speaker 1: And I do think because of social media and reality TV,
Speaker 1: we now know what goes behind all of that, and
Speaker 1: it's it's it's trickled down to everyday people. I think
Speaker 1: that's also the thing which is like Kim Kardashian selling
Speaker 1: body makeup, you know, and it's like that's something that
Speaker 1: you know, celebrities wear when they're on camera and yeah,
Speaker 1: I want to cover this blemish or whatever, or like
Speaker 1: it makes my legs look nice, which is like, sure,
Speaker 1: you're on camera, you're on a world stage, but are
Speaker 1: you really telling me that I'm going to walk down
Speaker 1: my damn day with paint on my legs? Is that
Speaker 1: like the next thing? I mean, if we allow it
Speaker 1: to be yes. And unfortunately, the Kardashians are the taste
Speaker 1: makers of beauty and that is something that I've had
Speaker 1: a problem with from the beginning. And it's very warped.
Speaker 1: And I mean they are literally warped. And I'm not
Speaker 1: going to be sitting here saying the Kardashians are problematic.
Speaker 1: It's like the culture is problematic. We have chosen them.
Speaker 1: We picked them because we didn't have to pick them.
Speaker 1: We did. Is dark. I know, it's dark. It's dark.
Speaker 1: Matt and I were in Nantucket. We were in a
Speaker 1: free hotel on a gorgeous pool. There was not a
Speaker 1: cloud in the sky and we're in the pool and
Speaker 1: I'm going, we're living in health. Society's health. We are
Speaker 1: it is. I was just like going down the list
Speaker 1: and I was like, you know, we have we have
Speaker 1: mass inherited trauma, and the and the patriarchy is at
Speaker 1: a peak and it's just like it's just cruelty and
Speaker 1: cruelty and cruelty and ye, but in Nantucket I've ever been,
Speaker 1: But it's fine to do that though, I know and
Speaker 1: like and you hear study talk about this and you're
Speaker 1: just like, oh, that's the smartest person in the well.
Speaker 1: The thing is Sy said to me, you know, I city, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is classic. So we mad Men was huge when
Speaker 1: we were in college. And so he turns to me
Speaker 1: and she goes, mad Men is so good because they
Speaker 1: understand that human life is forever. Suite understands emotional steaks
Speaker 1: without murder. It's not games, it's not drugs, it's not um.
Speaker 1: What is the Brian Cranston drug show? Pretty bad? It's
Speaker 1: not breaking. It was just people by heart, and that
Speaker 1: is what life is. In his disappointment and the reason
Speaker 1: why I compartmentalize the reason why people are afraid to cry,
Speaker 1: because we understand that if we tap into that well
Speaker 1: of how hard everything is, some of us are afraid
Speaker 1: that we are going to come back from that. I
Speaker 1: never say thank you I have. I have been so
Speaker 1: much happier since I started identifying as a crier. I
Speaker 1: I love that for you. I wish I was crying.
Speaker 1: I cry constantly. I love that even I'm here encouraging that,
Speaker 1: like people that I just meet, I'll cry in front
Speaker 1: of you know what's sucked up. You know, I just
Speaker 1: thought I can't cry. I have too much work to do.
Speaker 1: That's my whole life. Oh, come on, Sudy, that's insane.
Speaker 1: We've seen we've we've all seen each other. Low low low.
Speaker 1: I mean, I've had two and a half mental breakdowns
Speaker 1: in studies office at s NL, and she has fully
Speaker 1: just been there just to hold my fucking hand, and
Speaker 1: she has saved my goddamn life I had. I had
Speaker 1: emotional breakdowns in front of you. We've all literally that's
Speaker 1: like what we do for fun now is like we
Speaker 1: don't like feeling. The only time that we're not like
Speaker 1: having a deep, like deep probing emotional monologue at each
Speaker 1: other is like when we're at Disney World. It is
Speaker 1: like and that's where, honestly, the Disney thing, my my,
Speaker 1: my fascination and fixation with Disney has made so much
Speaker 1: more sense to me over time. It's emotional escapism. It's
Speaker 1: my inner child being allowed to run free. It's a
Speaker 1: zone where no one can tell me I'm not I'm
Speaker 1: not the production value and it's the production value. And
Speaker 1: also I love the zero g feeling in my tummy.
Speaker 1: It's fine and I love the cheeseburgers. Wait. When we
Speaker 1: were in Okay, so I love an excuse to be it.
Speaker 1: When we went to Nantucket, there was this I know,
Speaker 1: I mean, I love it. It's psycho that I get
Speaker 1: the conversation. Well, you know what it is. I think
Speaker 1: Nantucket is France for Americans. It is the whitest place
Speaker 1: I've ever and I've been in some white as places.
Speaker 1: And literally literally we were at this beer garden by
Speaker 1: the water. People thought you were he said, he goes, um,
Speaker 1: there is not a non one person. And then I
Speaker 1: said over there, and literally we saw one black person.
Speaker 1: And then I said look over there. And so now
Speaker 1: we're pointing and staring at people, people of college because
Speaker 1: we're like, oh look there's one. And so it was
Speaker 1: just the worst possible. And then I go, okay, now
Speaker 1: we're pointing a black man and saying look, okay, not
Speaker 1: a good lot. Um. But okay, this is a stupid story.
Speaker 1: But so I'm on this journey of Nantucket and I'm like,
Speaker 1: you know, going to this event and said I sat
Speaker 1: at a table at this event um with Brittney Snow
Speaker 1: God bless her shoe was so lovely and it was
Speaker 1: Heidi Gardner, Heidi's husband and um, two other people, and
Speaker 1: it was kind of like I joked that we were
Speaker 1: at a wedding for nobody. It was just kind of like,
Speaker 1: we're all at this event and we're making some small talk.
Speaker 1: But it was one of those things where like somebody
Speaker 1: was filling up your wine glass when you weren't looking,
Speaker 1: and they would just like fill it up and fill
Speaker 1: it up and fill it up, and the party is
Speaker 1: wrapping up, and this was something that was like one
Speaker 1: of my day after being drunk, like panic thoughts. But
Speaker 1: I just remember talking that how much I loved Disney
Speaker 1: World to the table, mostly at Britney Snow and screaming
Speaker 1: the production value. Yes, that makes me so happy to
Speaker 1: hear and I can hear your voice the production value.
Speaker 1: Product value was she into it was Britney Snow into it.
Speaker 1: She was like, get me the hell out of here.
Speaker 1: And also that thing where it's like ball is I
Speaker 1: always feel like the ball is in my court. I'm like,
Speaker 1: we're at a table and not everybody knows each other. Okay,
Speaker 1: what everybody on the table, and you know your favorite vacation.
Speaker 1: Three of us are conversational maximalists. Yeah, I just I'm
Speaker 1: either there or I'm like, you know nothing. We think
Speaker 1: more is more, and bitch, sometimes it ain't. No. I
Speaker 1: find that even if people think that, they will realize
Speaker 1: soon that it is more is more. Because I'm the
Speaker 1: Morrist more is Morris, I'm the I'm the less of
Speaker 1: the I'm the least of the more is Morris. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't. I would even move to well, can I
Speaker 1: tell you? Okay, So this was a funny story. So
Speaker 1: Sudy and I know it has to do with Disneyland. Actually,
Speaker 1: so post last summer of cunt recording, Sudi was writing
Speaker 1: for the first season of Shrill and I went out
Speaker 1: there to visit her and it was like heat wave.
Speaker 1: This was in l A. Yeah, the Disneyland in Portland.
Speaker 1: We went to. No, I didn't know, So we went
Speaker 1: to Disneyland. It was the hottest day of the year.
Speaker 1: It was a hundred seven degrees and we were We
Speaker 1: went right. We got stoned, of course, as we I
Speaker 1: want to do. We went right for the Guardians of
Speaker 1: the Galaxy and mission breakout righte we we get we
Speaker 1: get in line. This girl comes up behind us. She's
Speaker 1: in line and we're in line. For about five minutes,
Speaker 1: and it's going to be about a thirty minute wait.
Speaker 1: So she starts talking to us. It becomes clear that
Speaker 1: she's there by herself. She says she's from Alaska. Her
Speaker 1: husband couldn't come, but she loves when she's down here
Speaker 1: to come to Disneyland. She loves to do it. I said,
Speaker 1: that's amazing. We introduced ourselves. She says a name back, Sudi,
Speaker 1: here's one name. I heard another, so that sets a
Speaker 1: reality Becky and I hear Fuffy Beffy. No, you heard Ducky, Ducky.
Speaker 1: I heard Ducky. So we heard Becky and Ducky. And
Speaker 1: I'm positive it's Ducky, because how do you miss here Ducky.
Speaker 1: But there's no way. I heard clear as glass her.
Speaker 1: My name's Ducky. Here is glass. So we we are
Speaker 1: talking to her. We're talking to her. We both think
Speaker 1: she has two different names. We finally get on the
Speaker 1: ride and they say how many in your party? And
Speaker 1: I say, you know what? Three? She goes. I say, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're three. We'll try together. We've been together, right, that's amazing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So we do this ride. Wonderful, It's so fun. The
Speaker 1: Protection Value production value the way the little raccoon is
Speaker 1: a puppet, but also he hides Yeah. So then we're
Speaker 1: getting on um. She says, what right are you going
Speaker 1: to next? And we're going to cars the Car's ride.
Speaker 1: She goes, I was going to head over to cars.
Speaker 1: There's a pause and then Ducky would you like to
Speaker 1: come to cars with us? And she goes yes. So
Speaker 1: we go over there and we're waiting. Oh, well, there
Speaker 1: was a ride that wasn't working. We went to the
Speaker 1: Incredi Coster. It wasn't working. It was too hot, So
Speaker 1: she was she was disappointed and we were all disappointed.
Speaker 1: She wanted to do it. She was like, oh no, yeah,
Speaker 1: and then we said, well, we're gonna do this one.
Speaker 1: She goes, okay, me too, and so then we all go.
Speaker 1: We do the single riders, we all It gets to
Speaker 1: the point where they're going to put me and Ducky
Speaker 1: Becky in one car and suiting in another, and I
Speaker 1: just got no, we're going in the same car. And
Speaker 1: she understood that. While we're in the car, Study turns
Speaker 1: to me and goes, we have to get rid of Becky.
Speaker 1: I was like, why, what's her name? She said, Becky?
Speaker 1: I said, no, it's Ducky. She said, I'm positive it's Becky.
Speaker 1: And I said, I'm positive it's Ducky. She said, you're
Speaker 1: positive it's Ducky. Who wrote I'm sorry, who wrote a
Speaker 1: good man? It's hard to find that that short story collection,
Speaker 1: that famous um short story writer from the from the
Speaker 1: fifties reader. He's not looking at me, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: don't um. This is a fucking short story out of
Speaker 1: her book. And I'm sorry, keep going, well, okay, So like,
Speaker 1: literally we spend an hour plus with this woman. She's
Speaker 1: also having too fun time fer this is a Flannerer
Speaker 1: Connor story short. So basically she she goes, we gotta
Speaker 1: get rid of her. I'm like, I'm actually shocked that
Speaker 1: you have not made a hard line. I know I
Speaker 1: would expect suit had her vacation face on. And so
Speaker 1: she was being I was being, of course, more as
Speaker 1: more maximal, as conversational. Les's being like, let's be nice
Speaker 1: to this girl. She'll leave on her own at some point,
Speaker 1: for sure, it's not happening. We had reservations at a restaurant.
Speaker 1: So eventually we just said, which Matt told her that
Speaker 1: we were going, okay, well, we're actually gonna go. We
Speaker 1: we were we were like, we're this is over, now
Speaker 1: we're gonna go. So then she got both of our
Speaker 1: emails and never emailed us. But that was it was
Speaker 1: so much time, and that was the risk you take
Speaker 1: when you are more and more maximalist conversationalist. She was
Speaker 1: very nice, very nice, but it was getting to the
Speaker 1: point where it was like it was socially you left,
Speaker 1: You're supposed to leave a socially the cues done, been
Speaker 1: laid done, been like, ok wow, interesting, but listen, but
Speaker 1: we had a great time there and you're gonna come
Speaker 1: with us again in August. I think, so okay, um wait,
Speaker 1: can we just can we just do we? Do we
Speaker 1: cover study summer of kunto what's your summer of that?
Speaker 1: You're going to be in Portland for July and August.
Speaker 1: That's your Your summer of kunt is going to be Portland's.
Speaker 1: My summer of kunt is basically where I'm at is is.
Speaker 1: Um could never like, imagine I'm going to take you
Speaker 1: on a fantasy, imagine liking someone. Come on, I think
Speaker 1: you're going to meet some romantically. I can imagine it.
Speaker 1: I haven't even had nary a crush. Nary a single
Speaker 1: dalliance of a crush besides one that I recently ended
Speaker 1: in my mind by following them on Instagram because I
Speaker 1: think they posted a story of their girlfriend and it
Speaker 1: hurt too much, and also they were getting too hot.
Speaker 1: A person I don't know, by the way, A person
Speaker 1: I don't know. An event it did you tell I've met?
Speaker 1: Don't you dare say a word? Literally, we can't do
Speaker 1: the coded podcast, but nary a crush. And I just
Speaker 1: feel that that is okay. And I I'm just moving
Speaker 1: along and I'm going to Portland and I'm going to
Speaker 1: live in my goddamn Portland's life, and I'm going to
Speaker 1: have Saturday and Sunday off, which will be electrifying. Imagine
Speaker 1: you can go to a bar and you'll be there
Speaker 1: working on trail, and I'll be there working on trail,
Speaker 1: which would be so fun and so many fun people
Speaker 1: work on it. And it's fun when you shoot on
Speaker 1: location because it's like summer campus, like we all just
Speaker 1: know each other. Patty Harrison be there the whole time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's and and so look, it'll be fun, fucking crew,
Speaker 1: It'll be good friends fun. I feel like this is true.
Speaker 1: It's like when things are going well, you freak out
Speaker 1: about the stuff that you don't have in your life.
Speaker 1: I'm single, so a thing that I tend to focus
Speaker 1: on is like that, you know, I don't spend enough
Speaker 1: time with my friends or like you know, my friends
Speaker 1: are gone. You were gone, and like you know, I
Speaker 1: have fewer friends in New York than I used to
Speaker 1: or my social time, and I'm trying to trick my
Speaker 1: brain into just being like, don't worry about those things.
Speaker 1: Don't worry about those things. That's good because also like
Speaker 1: it's good and it's fine, and it's fine, and you're
Speaker 1: fine doing great and you practice gratitude and that begets
Speaker 1: more joy and all that. And now we turn into you. Uh,
Speaker 1: this is a thing that I'm kind of talking through
Speaker 1: in therapy. Um one time, did I tell you this?
Speaker 1: I was telling I was talking to my therapist about
Speaker 1: like I have all these really like intense, intense meetings
Speaker 1: and flings with these guys who are either going to
Speaker 1: move to another city or live in another city or
Speaker 1: UM are kind of just there's there's some transient, there's
Speaker 1: some transience there some some some element of like, well,
Speaker 1: this is only temporary, and so therefore the sticks or
Speaker 1: either are both lower and higher for me to be like, well,
Speaker 1: the stakes are lower so that I can just be
Speaker 1: more honest with you and say this is how I
Speaker 1: feel about you because my time is limited, so I'm
Speaker 1: gonna tell you the truth. And then the sticks are
Speaker 1: higher because so it's like, um, let's do as much
Speaker 1: as we can, right, So it's accelerated. So it's accelerated.
Speaker 1: And then so there's that on one end, and then
Speaker 1: on the other is I'm going on dates with people
Speaker 1: here where I'm just like, they're perfectly great people on paper,
Speaker 1: but the fact that they're here and that they're available
Speaker 1: kills any interesting. It's not that scary. It's just that
Speaker 1: I'm like, not when it's easy, you don't want it,
Speaker 1: and that's it. And it's like and and and and
Speaker 1: then like my therapist yesterday was like, why do you
Speaker 1: want a boyfriend? And I was like, I don't know.
Speaker 1: And then the best answer I could come up with
Speaker 1: was to supplement my life that I already have because
Speaker 1: a lot of things in my life are going well.
Speaker 1: And she go, supplement, why what an interesting word? Can
Speaker 1: you explain? That? I was just like I guess I'm
Speaker 1: going to draw metaphor right now. These guys that I'm
Speaker 1: on these short flings with are like are like painkillers,
Speaker 1: like victing, and then the a boyfriend would be like
Speaker 1: a vitamin. It's the difference between like something sustained and
Speaker 1: something that's like helps as opposed to helps as opposed
Speaker 1: to sueze. Helps is not you scratching an itch. It's
Speaker 1: just you like keeping your permanence going, like making your
Speaker 1: whole body holistically better. And it's like, oh, I guess
Speaker 1: I'm just not ready for the vitamin, and I only
Speaker 1: want I also feel like in our society, relationships are
Speaker 1: an accomplishment. Finding a partner is, yes, it's framed as
Speaker 1: an accomplishment. Finding love and somebody want to commit to
Speaker 1: is a beautiful thing, but it's I think it's like
Speaker 1: the word accomplishment I'm using really specifically because it feels
Speaker 1: like an accolade. And I feel because of that, a
Speaker 1: lot of people, especially women, settle, because it's that thing
Speaker 1: that if you don't have is you didn't get that trophy,
Speaker 1: you didn't get that ring. Literally, and I think love
Speaker 1: is beautiful, and I think commitment is beautiful, and that
Speaker 1: is like true, and I don't want to take away
Speaker 1: from that, and that can be such a gorgeous, gorgeous
Speaker 1: thing to have in your life and honestly a fucking miracle.
Speaker 1: And I'm not taking away from that and that truth
Speaker 1: and that beauty. It's the frame of it, especially when
Speaker 1: it's like we're moving in together and we're getting married
Speaker 1: and these steps and that steps, and I catch myself
Speaker 1: in that line of thinking all the time, which I
Speaker 1: never thought that I would be that girl. I never
Speaker 1: I never thought, God, this is what I mean. You
Speaker 1: know what studios are sucking, friend Lebowitz, you know, like
Speaker 1: she what a thinker? What a mind? God damn it, Sudi.
Speaker 1: I wish I could shut the funk up. No, I
Speaker 1: always think that I'm in my house and I'm just
Speaker 1: like I wish I could shut the hell in terms
Speaker 1: of your brain too much. Yeah, I mean, I'm an overthinker.
Speaker 1: I think what also, like I listened to Um, I
Speaker 1: don't know, I just think like in the times that
Speaker 1: we're in and there's just like a lot of like
Speaker 1: so much trauma, so much anxiety in the air. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's such a dark, dark time and it feels like
Speaker 1: it's only getting worse, and I constantly feel bad and
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to figure out why. Question do you
Speaker 1: think I'm not either? And now that I'm back, I
Speaker 1: do want to go, but now I don't know where
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be. Just saying, can I ask you a question?
Speaker 1: Do you think that the fact that you are sort
Speaker 1: of obsessing over this thing could have to do with
Speaker 1: the fact that you write on shrill oh about like
Speaker 1: body sticks. I mean totally. I mean it it's you know,
Speaker 1: conversations that we have in the writer's room. I think
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, in college, but it's been an
Speaker 1: idea that has been in my mind for a long
Speaker 1: time and I'm definitely not the only one think about it.
Speaker 1: In college, I took this women in Media class that
Speaker 1: really blew my mind, and we read this book that's
Speaker 1: a very famous book by Naomi Wolf called The Beauty Myth,
Speaker 1: and it truly blew my mind because it just broke
Speaker 1: down you know, how beauty is an industry and there
Speaker 1: are billions and billions and billions of dollars focused on
Speaker 1: women feeling bad about themselves so that they will buy
Speaker 1: more products. Is a distraction that makes us weaker. It is, Um,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's an effort to control us. And
Speaker 1: you know, there was just a New York Times at
Speaker 1: bad about this, and I'm also like, you know, there's
Speaker 1: now this like intuitive eating movement. I'm not the only
Speaker 1: one thinking about this, but I think that it was
Speaker 1: something that I had always thought of, because you know,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to be a fucking woke us feminist bitch.
Speaker 1: But definitely Shrill makes me think about it. It It makes
Speaker 1: me really proud that I'm on to show that talks
Speaker 1: about it. Yeah, I was thinking about what it must
Speaker 1: feel like to to work on a show that this
Speaker 1: is very much like a central idea, and then also
Speaker 1: work at SNL, which is you have to think about
Speaker 1: the reality and the dark darkness of the world, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. It's like those two things are
Speaker 1: maybe the fact this is not to me therapye you
Speaker 1: or whatever the word would be, but you know, UM,
Speaker 1: the fact that ARM channelized, the fact that those two
Speaker 1: things hold such a thing. I mean you are literally
Speaker 1: working with those ideas, I mean, writing on the other two.
Speaker 1: I found that, um after it rapped, once I was
Speaker 1: given the space to think about relationship stuff. I really was,
Speaker 1: because you know in the show the character deals with
Speaker 1: a lot of relationship stuff. Well, I think that it
Speaker 1: can be just so uh liberating on the one hand,
Speaker 1: to be to see dark days and politics and talk
Speaker 1: about snel, to see dark days for women and talk
Speaker 1: about it in a shrill and you know, everything in between.
Speaker 1: I also feel like I've always been the type of
Speaker 1: person where I'm like giving the truth I want to see. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I always want to know. I want to be out
Speaker 1: of the cage. I want to know the cage. And
Speaker 1: I said this to you the other day or like
Speaker 1: a couple weeks ago, which was like, I can't be
Speaker 1: friends with liberated with women who aren't liberated anymore. I
Speaker 1: always say, Sudy is the one who first showed me
Speaker 1: all the Pepsi cants offer X Factor, Remember I said,
Speaker 1: I said to her, I love the come over and
Speaker 1: watch the X Factor. I love it. And there was
Speaker 1: a scene where a girl in a short skirt sang
Speaker 1: a song for Simon Cowell in his backyard and she said,
Speaker 1: look at all the Pepsi cans. Look how they they
Speaker 1: slowly pan up her body and in every shot there's
Speaker 1: a PEPSI can everywhere, and I was like no, and
Speaker 1: I was like she was like yes, and I was
Speaker 1: like no, no, no, and she was like yes, and
Speaker 1: human life is suffering. It was just, you know, it
Speaker 1: was just PEPSI. But you know what you used to do,
Speaker 1: which I think is you've grown so much in this way.
Speaker 1: Is that I remember because I think also like it's
Speaker 1: just our upbringings or whatever what we were interested in.
Speaker 1: We were just sort of in different places. And I
Speaker 1: feel like it's you became more politically aware and more
Speaker 1: aware of just kind of everything going around you. In
Speaker 1: the beginning, you used to resist it and go like,
Speaker 1: well now I feel stupid and I feel wrong for
Speaker 1: not seeing it, and that was your reaction a lot.
Speaker 1: And I got to say, you do not do that
Speaker 1: anymore at all. I used to say that. I don't
Speaker 1: even remember saying. You would get defensive. We would like
Speaker 1: like study you know what, It would tell you something
Speaker 1: about well, that's actually how this works. Like we we
Speaker 1: would probably because we're assholes, because I was about to
Speaker 1: say we probably came at it from the wrong angle too,
Speaker 1: but then like, yeah, I would two year old being
Speaker 1: like well actually, and then your class just told me
Speaker 1: truly and then you but then your your knee jerk
Speaker 1: thing was like, well, I didn't know that, and now
Speaker 1: I feel worse for not knowing. And now I don't
Speaker 1: think you ever, ever, ever go to that place anymore,
Speaker 1: which I think is perfect ship. Oh my god, you
Speaker 1: just finished lass. I think that should read less. I've
Speaker 1: been told that I should read this book. You're gonna
Speaker 1: love it and study text me right. And the ending
Speaker 1: is beautiful and I cry every time I read it.
Speaker 1: I feel that we drifted away from your summer of
Speaker 1: con Oh no, that's all I gotta say. It's like
Speaker 1: I'm just like fully all over the place emotionally, and
Speaker 1: I I am feeling a little overworked, but not not
Speaker 1: at the same extent of studios. But I just have
Speaker 1: these things for it to say that you're about to
Speaker 1: feel just overworked. I'm sequentially overworked, whereas whereas like you're
Speaker 1: probably like everything is happening at the same time. I
Speaker 1: love to be busy. I like being busy, but I'm
Speaker 1: also like I fetishized my time off for so long
Speaker 1: while we were while the season was on, and it's like,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have a couple of months to myself. I
Speaker 1: can't wait. And then I literally got this and I'm
Speaker 1: so grateful to get the job, but like, I got
Speaker 1: this job like three weeks after we wrapped, and I
Speaker 1: moved into a new apartment and that swallowed up all
Speaker 1: my time and I just didn't really have a chance to, like,
Speaker 1: but I do think it's good to like check in
Speaker 1: on ourselves, because for so long we complained about not
Speaker 1: having the careers that we have and now, you know,
Speaker 1: I think we got to check ourselves sometimes and be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I am so busy, but like also like that's is
Speaker 1: that interesting? I mean another thing we just talked about
Speaker 1: with with Betty was like those times when you struggle
Speaker 1: in your twenties and you're like, funk, I wish I
Speaker 1: was like successful. I wish I had money. I wish
Speaker 1: I like was on I wish I had a TV credit.
Speaker 1: I wish I got JFL, you know, I wish I wish,
Speaker 1: I wish I worked on SNL like all these things,
Speaker 1: and then you look back and you were like, um, actually,
Speaker 1: those were really good times, you know, those times when
Speaker 1: we would travel with like Paparulette and go to different
Speaker 1: cities and stuff, and like I was saying, threw up
Speaker 1: ben Uber and then we would just throw up basically
Speaker 1: in all the cities that we would travel in the
Speaker 1: Land's the thing about sud Green is when she drinks,
Speaker 1: she throws up, and and I'm always and I love
Speaker 1: nothing more than to be there for her. Yeah, see,
Speaker 1: not me. I can't when people puker on me, it's
Speaker 1: a game over now I'm there. It's bad and nasty.
Speaker 1: And I also am the kind of puker who was
Speaker 1: like immediately like I'm sorry, like drunkenly with paper Dallas.
Speaker 1: That's me. That's that's the way. But that's where we
Speaker 1: came from. And I do. But poverty is never fun.
Speaker 1: Poverty is not fun, you know what. I was just
Speaker 1: realizing the other day, Like, remember when we went to
Speaker 1: South Carolina. We went like and um, we were in
Speaker 1: Charleston and there was that really nice restaurants. We were
Speaker 1: all gonna go to husk and then you and Sudie
Speaker 1: and I couldn't go because we were too poor. So
Speaker 1: we had no we had no money. I had no
Speaker 1: business going there either, but I was deluded. I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go a overdraft. Well, your thing is you've
Speaker 1: always been really good with your money, You've always spent
Speaker 1: it on the exact right things. You've always had expensive taste.
Speaker 1: I know, I know, I'll never forget that mask I
Speaker 1: was gonna. I was like Marie conding my ship, like
Speaker 1: for this move. And I came across that sweater and
Speaker 1: I was like, I can't know, you should give it
Speaker 1: to me. I was like, I can't throw it that,
Speaker 1: I can't give it to Mason. Kids soon. So first
Speaker 1: of all, kids is this is this Japanese brand of clothing.
Speaker 1: It's like it's that kind of mid price, mid range
Speaker 1: luxury fashion. And one day in Popularlett, we were all
Speaker 1: like twenty two three, we're all like living paycheck to paycheck,
Speaker 1: working like job down. One day I walk in and
Speaker 1: I'm wearing this sweater that just says just plain just
Speaker 1: crew sweater, like that just says MA. And then I
Speaker 1: and then I just go, I don't was I wasn't proud.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you exactly what happened. I'll tell you exactly
Speaker 1: what happened. I was like, that's a nice sweatshirt. You said, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's new, it's designer. I said, oh, how much was it?
Speaker 1: He said, I don't want to tell you I said,
Speaker 1: what was it like sixty dollars? He said, no, it
Speaker 1: was more than that. And I said, what was it
Speaker 1: like a hundred fifty dollars? You said, no, it was
Speaker 1: more than that. I said, how much was that sweatshirt?
Speaker 1: You said it was three thirty dollars And I said
Speaker 1: and we all were like, this was at the time
Speaker 1: when we would make a popular videos. Remember that, we
Speaker 1: get a camera, we get a light, and we make
Speaker 1: a video. And that was content. And I was like,
Speaker 1: you could have finance a popululette video and that was
Speaker 1: like hat like, and you're that sweatshirt is great, And
Speaker 1: I remember I told you I was such a bit.
Speaker 1: I said, I wouldn't pay over forty bucks for that
Speaker 1: swee shirt. It was my first like big, big purchase.
Speaker 1: And now look at you throwing it out. I didn't
Speaker 1: throw it out. It's it's in my closet. If it's
Speaker 1: even better, yeah, oh my god, I feel like, well,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm trying to think, what's the what's
Speaker 1: the craziest purchase I've made over the last year? Probably honestly, like, um,
Speaker 1: I do, but do you guys don't buy ship? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean I feel like a lot of the times
Speaker 1: I don't know what to buy. But so I'm just
Speaker 1: like spending like a lot of money on like mid
Speaker 1: level garbage, like an anthropology. But do you guys feel guilt? Yeah,
Speaker 1: all the time. And I'm talking about this in therapy.
Speaker 1: Guilt is my favorite. I love to feel bad and
Speaker 1: I love to make everything a wrong or right decision.
Speaker 1: Guilt is the simplest form of suffering because you can
Speaker 1: invent it at any time in a way that suits
Speaker 1: you or um works against you in in a convenient way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel guilty right now. You can. You can just
Speaker 1: create guilt out of thin air. And you feel pain.
Speaker 1: What do you feel? You feel pain, and it's self
Speaker 1: inflicted constantly I did to myself. And that is what
Speaker 1: that was. That is what that was. Actually, that is
Speaker 1: the smartest thing I've said all night, is that guilt
Speaker 1: is the simplest form of suffering. You've said so many
Speaker 1: smart things all night. But but I but I stand
Speaker 1: by this, guilt is the simplest form of suffering. Can
Speaker 1: I say two things? As an identast in my summer
Speaker 1: of com I just want to say, as I was
Speaker 1: sitting here, I really realized the reason the chief reason
Speaker 1: I was so upset about coming back from l A
Speaker 1: was because I missed graded titleman. Of course that was why,
Speaker 1: and that was why I started crying in the apartment.
Speaker 1: And and just the best person, And that is some
Speaker 1: that I just want to I just want to say said,
Speaker 1: she and Abe Schwartz are my guardian angels, and they
Speaker 1: gave me their friendship and their home and I love
Speaker 1: them so much. And Greta is my sister, and she's
Speaker 1: all of our sisters. And also speaking of true beautiful
Speaker 1: love that should be celebrated. Oh my god, just like
Speaker 1: I could cry thinking about her. We talked today on
Speaker 1: the phone. But and the other thing is I just
Speaker 1: want to say one more thing about my sister. I'm
Speaker 1: so proud of her. And I didn't want, I don't
Speaker 1: want to frame her as like this anxious person that
Speaker 1: that like was nervous. She did it. She she she
Speaker 1: bucked up and quit her job and left a situation
Speaker 1: that wasn't working for her. And I'm proud. And that's
Speaker 1: growth and yes and yes, Queen, and I say yes
Speaker 1: of corks and yes of corks, Queen, the queens and
Speaker 1: the dreams and the cream. And I just wanted to
Speaker 1: shout out both my sisters there, yes, um, and now
Speaker 1: it's time for I don't think so time. This is
Speaker 1: I don't think so honey. This is the segment in
Speaker 1: which we go off on something in culture for one minute. Um.
Speaker 1: Oh boy, what what do you think? I have one?
Speaker 1: I actually have one? Shocking Okay, this is Matt Rodgers.
Speaker 1: I don't think so honey, and it's time starts now.
Speaker 1: I don't think so honey. Avocado didn't get the funk lost.
Speaker 1: I don't understand why people like it so much. And
Speaker 1: here's why I don't think, so honey. Of the consistency
Speaker 1: of avocado and things, it frequently stands out. It is chalky.
Speaker 1: Honestly it it has like a like clayish like sort
Speaker 1: of material, which doesn't go well with salad. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I don't think so honey, avocado. You can taste it
Speaker 1: above all else. If you include avocado in your burger, sandwich, whatever,
Speaker 1: and you think you're gonna taste anything else, I don't think,
Speaker 1: so honey. Avocado is here to stay and slay. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: avocado is a huge part of wacamole, which I do think,
Speaker 1: so honey. But if I have to choose. If I'm
Speaker 1: giving the choice, I say get rid of it. Also,
Speaker 1: I don't think, monny, what is it a fruit or
Speaker 1: a vegetable? Answer? You don't even know? I don't, honey.
Speaker 1: And if Bowen Yang doesn't know, I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: And that's one. It's a fruit because it's around a seed. Oh,
Speaker 1: you're right, you know, you're right, you're right. What's that
Speaker 1: movie Harry met Sally? Oh? Yes, and Power Couple? Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: that's right, our couple, you two? Oh my god. Please
Speaker 1: if you haven't watched Matt Rogers study Green's iconic mini
Speaker 1: a web series mini series mini series Are a Couple
Speaker 1: directed by Peter Kelly Wait which was on Above Average
Speaker 1: and then Matt sent it to me the other day
Speaker 1: and now it's on Comedy Central. Yeah, you know we
Speaker 1: didn't do with this whole episode, which I can't believe.
Speaker 1: We didn't talk about Big Little wise Oh well by
Speaker 1: you know, can we give one Patreon? Too busy bitches? Um?
Speaker 1: But um, what are you thinking? In one sentence? Our
Speaker 1: last about Big Little last season two? One sentence heightened
Speaker 1: cartoonish but don't hate it reality candy that could get
Speaker 1: a little too sweet, that could give you a stomach
Speaker 1: ache later, And I'm gonna say that it could I see,
Speaker 1: I see it possibly like being a little too much.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, in the words of a gun, cool, cool,
Speaker 1: crazy cun it is off the rails. And I just
Speaker 1: but I also love that. I mean, I love that.
Speaker 1: I love that everybody is just at a full twelve. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: I I have my own think so honey about another
Speaker 1: HBO thing in nice and so I don't want I
Speaker 1: don't think Sonny as time starts now, I don't think
Speaker 1: so honey. Euphoria it's really breaking me the funk out
Speaker 1: because you know why, it's it's euphoria and books are
Speaker 1: both making me feel very sexually stunted. And I know
Speaker 1: it's part of the queer narrative that especially the gay
Speaker 1: narrative from our generation that like, you know, like we
Speaker 1: had to sort of like subdue, subduce and do ourselves
Speaker 1: or sexualities and whatever. But I'm just like, all these teams,
Speaker 1: and these hot teams are having sex all the time
Speaker 1: with all these hot these other hot teams were in
Speaker 1: some cases hot adults such as Eric Dane, and so
Speaker 1: you're just like, oh, my god, Like what thirty I
Speaker 1: wasn't having this much sex and I'm not, am I
Speaker 1: having the sex I should be having now because I'm
Speaker 1: I'm I'm catching up and I got a late start
Speaker 1: and like and it's so see it's like really putting
Speaker 1: me in my fucking head with with my sexual confidence
Speaker 1: and identity. And I don't think so this show that um,
Speaker 1: you know is is well produced and well done. It's
Speaker 1: a little that can be a little much and that's
Speaker 1: like everyone's at a twelve at all times. But like,
Speaker 1: I don't think it's funny euphoria for just really throttling me,
Speaker 1: throttling me down the sexual crisis. And that's one minute?
Speaker 1: Is it good? I like the pilot all I haven't
Speaker 1: seen the second episode yet, so we're recording this um
Speaker 1: right after the second episode here. Apparently the second episode
Speaker 1: has like the fantasy sequence maybe with the thirty dicks.
Speaker 1: Never it's never like that and Creak they were talking
Speaker 1: about fucking prooft when they were seven, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. Like when I was in high school and
Speaker 1: I was watching the o C, I knew that that
Speaker 1: was it's all not yeah, but I'm just like I
Speaker 1: still like you still see it in front of you,
Speaker 1: and so then you you reflect on it yourself and
Speaker 1: you're just like I wasn't like that, and so I'm
Speaker 1: sucked up. Anyway, Did I see anybody having sex at
Speaker 1: any age on screen? And I'm like, what is that?
Speaker 1: How are they doing? How? How it? She's great? Is
Speaker 1: InCred amazing? Also like Zendia Sendia and we're all learning,
Speaker 1: and we're all learning how we to mine no one
Speaker 1: can reach And you're the one I wilmen divide. It's
Speaker 1: not up to you. It's not up to me when
Speaker 1: no one can say what I am meant to be?
Speaker 1: And how can we read? Right? The stars say you amaze,
Speaker 1: it's so big? Are none of those words are right?
Speaker 1: It was incredible. It was so good, so good, It
Speaker 1: was so good. It was so good. It's so good.
Speaker 1: Are you ready? Yeah? The study greens. I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 1: her time starts now. I don't think so honey. Men
Speaker 1: that I bring back to my apartment making little snide
Speaker 1: comments about how nice it is. Oh bitch, you threatened.
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, I have a nice apartment. I also
Speaker 1: have four jobs. Nice to meet you, like, I'm sorry
Speaker 1: that like you have to go home to like your
Speaker 1: five roommates squat path, you know where you're all just
Speaker 1: like looking at Tinder next to each other and like
Speaker 1: sharing one big bowl of rice. I haven't a nice
Speaker 1: home that I worked for for. And also when you
Speaker 1: go into my space, unless it's like, wow, nice apartment
Speaker 1: or great apartment, I don't want to hear it. I'm
Speaker 1: doing mental leaps and jumps and I am on a
Speaker 1: roller coaster to even want to have sex with you.
Speaker 1: You're playing with fire. Anything you could say could make
Speaker 1: me have a bad experience. I'm sorry. And for you
Speaker 1: to say, wow, SNL must pay really good, yeah, bitches,
Speaker 1: And that's one as if that's some like discovery multiple
Speaker 1: multiple man. And also it's like at that point you
Speaker 1: they're already in your apartment. Sorry, go ahead. It's like
Speaker 1: I don't want to sound like bougie or whatever then,
Speaker 1: but it's like you you are saying that because you
Speaker 1: are threatened, because you now know that I make more. Truly,
Speaker 1: women wouldn't say that's a man. A woman going over
Speaker 1: to the house of a supervising writer at SNL wouldn't
Speaker 1: be like, oh my god, SNL must pay really good.
Speaker 1: They wouldn't say that you would, because it's assumed that
Speaker 1: the guy would have a nicer apartment, except for like
Speaker 1: in actual real life, where it literally never have. Like
Speaker 1: imagine if Carrie walked into Mr BIG's apartment, she was like,
Speaker 1: wow being Mr Big musay really well absolutely not God,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I can't believe that it's such. It's
Speaker 1: also probably so hard to get sorry butt Like now,
Speaker 1: I just feel like you're threatened or like now it's
Speaker 1: like a low status situation and it's not horny. But
Speaker 1: guess what, I go for it anyway. I feel like
Speaker 1: my apartment is too small to fuck him. That's not true.
Speaker 1: I mean I've done it, but like it's it's a
Speaker 1: small zone. I feel like the thing in your apartment
Speaker 1: is the ventilation. And I think if you had a
Speaker 1: lot of sex, it would really smell like I know
Speaker 1: the last time it was in your apartment kind of
Speaker 1: in a good way. It's it's never I like a
Speaker 1: lot of candles. Anyway, it smelled like masturbation last time.
Speaker 1: Shut up. My apartment always smells like weed and come,
Speaker 1: Matt Rogers. That's my fragrance. Though my fragrance. Gay Son
Speaker 1: will be released soon and it will smell like weed
Speaker 1: and come for your son who's gay. The tagline for
Speaker 1: you who's gay, for your son who's gay. He you
Speaker 1: gotta put that beat in there. Gay son by Matt
Speaker 1: Rodgers for your son who's gay. Honestly, maybe that's merch.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's a marriage gay sogn by Matt Rodgers for
Speaker 1: your son who's gay. Oh quick, pool, I mean I
Speaker 1: I read this by Matt and we were. We did
Speaker 1: not come to an agreement about the copy, but I
Speaker 1: want I was. I had a prototype design for not
Speaker 1: a prototype, but for just bowen Yang is a white bitch.
Speaker 1: So I think bow and Yang is a white Bitch
Speaker 1: is a very funny shirt. But I wonder if more
Speaker 1: people would buy it if it just said white bitch. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but is that okay for people out of to wear
Speaker 1: a white bitch shirt. It's like a little white pride.
Speaker 1: I feel yeah, nice, more comfortable. I feel more comfortable
Speaker 1: like having that on someone, Like a white bitch should
Speaker 1: be a picture of you and then the words white bitch,
Speaker 1: white bitch, and if an ancient person yes yeah, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, a picture of you or a caricature of you,
Speaker 1: and then it says white bitch. A photo picture like glossy,
Speaker 1: like the ones we get at the mall and the night. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it should be very nineties aesthetic for sure. Okay, that's it.
Speaker 1: Thank you, SUTTI will get a cut of the merchant.
Speaker 1: She still has not seen any of we literally put
Speaker 1: her words on fucking merch, and she has not been
Speaker 1: paid ascent. Yeah well that wasn't part of the agreement
Speaker 1: that she'd ever be paid, I know, but you know
Speaker 1: what must really well really well huh well, this has
Speaker 1: been the summer oft to the clumps and another iconic
Speaker 1: episode with some Suti another inducted into the three timers club,
Speaker 1: one of two that it. I think that Pat hasn't
Speaker 1: been all three times. Pat's I mean, if you count
Speaker 1: see culture. But I am truly honored and being friends
Speaker 1: with you was the best career decision I've ever made.
Speaker 1: Is the is. I am grateful every day that I'm
Speaker 1: friends with Sudi Green. Yeah, oh wait, can I can
Speaker 1: I just talk about the stupid fucking thing I did
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago. I was on my way
Speaker 1: back from Chicago and and literally you texted me you
Speaker 1: were like studies And this was after the panic attack.
Speaker 1: We'll call it when Sudi Green, when you're blowing out
Speaker 1: my spot right now? But go ahead. What that I
Speaker 1: that I called in my my recom No, but I
Speaker 1: knew that and we all know this is that you
Speaker 1: were like after I called man was crying, and you
Speaker 1: were like you should, like you should really make an
Speaker 1: effort and hang out with the studios, Like okay, great,
Speaker 1: yeah for sure. And then I go, hey, let's let's
Speaker 1: go see Shakespeare in the Park on Tuesday when I
Speaker 1: get back from Chicago. And then the first thing you
Speaker 1: said was not oh great or yeah. The first thing
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Speaker 1: black girl, and then literally it's like an Asian person
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