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Speaker 1: The Michael Berry Show.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to our bonus podcast. Honored to have you here.

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Speaker 2: Quick reminder of the bonus podcast. We've been doing to

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Speaker 2: a day. I don't want to be committed that we'll

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Speaker 2: do to a day every day because it's not easy.

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Speaker 2: But there's a lot to talk about right now with

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Speaker 2: it being election season. We'll see how it goes in time.

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Speaker 2: We do them in about ten minute segments. We don't

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Speaker 2: have to stick to a clock like we do with

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Speaker 2: the radio, so some may be longer, some a little shorter,

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Speaker 2: but just so you know, we find that that ten

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Speaker 2: minutes works for us on different podcasts that we listen to,

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Speaker 2: so we figured it kind of a bite sized piece

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Speaker 2: and that's why we've been doing them that way. All right,

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Speaker 2: without further ado, it is election season, and therefore it's

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Speaker 2: also disinformation season. In the election of twenty twenty, we

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Speaker 2: had Russian disinformation.

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Speaker 3: Remember when you hear the term fake news, you probably

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Speaker 3: think about how it's used often today by President Trump,

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Speaker 3: but it's actually an old term used by the Soviet

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Speaker 3: Union as a reference to disinformation campaigns that the Soviets

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Speaker 3: and now the Russians have long used to destabilize the West.

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Speaker 4: US officials have warned that Russian interference remains an active

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Speaker 4: threat for the twenty twenty presidential elections.

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Speaker 5: Unverified story about former Vice President Joe Biden's son and

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Speaker 5: the laptop allegedly full of his old emails, it's a

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Speaker 5: story raising concerns about whether it's real or just designed

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Speaker 5: to sow confusion. In the final weeks of the election.

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Speaker 6: Rudy Giuliani already had open contact with a person that

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Speaker 6: the US has called an agent for the Kremlin. Now

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Speaker 6: we are being told by two people who've been briefed

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Speaker 6: on what the FBI is doing that they're looking into

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Speaker 6: whether these unverified emails about Hunter Biden that were published

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Speaker 6: earlier this week by The New York Post about his

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Speaker 6: business dealings in Ukraine and China are part of this

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Speaker 6: bigger Russian disinformation effort in the twenty twenty election.

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Speaker 7: Over the past few days, President Trump has highlighted a

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Speaker 7: report by The New York Post about Hunter Biden, Joe

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Speaker 7: Biden's son. There are major questions about the origins and

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Speaker 7: the accuracy of that story, and today we learn more

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Speaker 7: about concerns expressed by the president's most senior advisors that

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Speaker 7: the president's personal attorney was peddling Russian disinformation.

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Speaker 8: Former New York City mayor, President's personal lawyer and longtime

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Speaker 8: friend white House was warned that Rudy was the target

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Speaker 8: of Russian intelligence operation to feed misinformation to Trump.

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Speaker 5: This looks like Russian intelligence, This walks like Russian intelligence,

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Speaker 5: This talks like Russian intelligence.

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Speaker 2: Well, in the midterm elections of twenty twenty two, two

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Speaker 2: years later, the Biden Harris administration created the Disinformation Board.

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Speaker 2: You remember this and this woman, Nina Jankowitz steering the ship.

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Speaker 2: This is not a pair of she really did this

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Speaker 2: wondering is.

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Speaker 9: Really quite ferocious.

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Speaker 10: It's when a hucks to take some lice and makes

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Speaker 10: them sound preposious by saying them in.

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Speaker 9: Congress or a mainstream out That's so this information's origins

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Speaker 9: are slightly less atrocious. It's how you had a delighted lie.

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Speaker 9: It's how you had a delightled lie. It's how you

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Speaker 10: When Rudy Giuliani shared that in Tamsan Ukraine, or when

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Speaker 10: when we really should take note and not support their

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Speaker 10: lives with our wallet voice a note, Oh, information wandering

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Speaker 10: is really quite ferocious. It's when a hucks to take

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Speaker 10: in Congress or a mainstream Mountle's so this inflammation's origins

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Speaker 10: seems likely less atrocious.

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Speaker 2: Who well, the outcry to that nonsense was so loud

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Speaker 2: that the administration fired Nina Jankowitz and killed their censorship

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Speaker 2: too or William, this is too scary. We're pushing back.

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Speaker 4: The board has never convened, so that's it never convened,

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Speaker 4: and the board is yes, the board is pausing in

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Speaker 4: the sense that it will not convene. Will While former

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Speaker 4: Secretary Chertoff and former Deputy A. G. Gorlic do their assessment,

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Speaker 4: but the departments work across several administrations to address disinformation

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Speaker 4: that threatens the security of our country is critical and

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Speaker 4: that will indeed continue. And again, neither Nina Jankowick nor

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Speaker 4: affecting Tree the threat, the threat environment. She has strong

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Speaker 4: condentials and a history of calling out misinformation from both

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Speaker 2: It's twenty twenty four now, and the concern for disinformation

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Speaker 2: by the media has magically returned. You see anything they

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Speaker 2: don't like, anything that criticizes them, anything that that questions them,

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Speaker 2: that's disinformation and it's anti democracy and you must be

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Speaker 2: arrested or killed. This was Cleve Woodson of the nation's

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Speaker 2: to fight disinformation, you know, disinformation being Elon and Donald

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Speaker 2: Trump having a conversation. Elon Musk is slated.

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Speaker 4: To interview Donald Trump tomorrow tonight on on X.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if the President is going today, goel

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Speaker 2: free to say if he is or not.

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Speaker 1: But I think that misinformation on Twitter is not just

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Speaker 1: a campaign issue. It's a you know, it's an America issue.

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Speaker 3: What role does the White House or the President have

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Speaker 3: and sort of stopping that, or stopping the spread.

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Speaker 4: Some of that was about campaign miss information, but you

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Speaker 4: know it's a wider thing, right, Yeah, no, And you've

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Speaker 4: heard us talk about this many times from here about

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Speaker 4: the responsibilities that social media platforms have when it comes

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Speaker 4: to misinformation disinformation. Don't have anything to read out from

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Speaker 4: here about specific ways that we're working on it, but

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Speaker 4: we believe that that they have the responsibility. These are

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Speaker 4: But look, it is I think it is incredibly important

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Speaker 4: to call that out as you're doing. I just don't

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Speaker 4: have any specifics on what we've been doing internally as

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Speaker 4: it relates to the interviews and not something that I'm

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Speaker 4: tracking and I'm sure the President's not tracking it either.

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Speaker 2: This was the CEO of the Center for Countering Digital Hate,

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Speaker 7: Listen to this and Ron take us through what Elon

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Speaker 11: Well, Unfortunately, I can't tell you what's in the hearts

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Speaker 11: of any individual, but I can tell you what our

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Speaker 11: researchers have been studying with mister Musk's own output on

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Speaker 11: his platform X. We examined posts about the US elections

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Speaker 11: that he posted between January first and July the thirty first,

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Speaker 11: I identifying fifty posts that Independent fact check is found

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Speaker 11: to be false.

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Speaker 1: Now that those fifty posts had accrued one point.

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Speaker 11: Two billion views and there were three main categories. There

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Speaker 11: was an AI generated fake video of the Democratic nominee

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Speaker 11: Kamala Harris, which had one hundred million plus views. There

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Speaker 11: theory are really really dangerous lie that has led to

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Speaker 11: bloodshed on American streets at the Tree of Life.

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Speaker 1: Synagogue in Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 11: It's the same conspiracy theory that led to the christ

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Speaker 1: A member of Parliament in my home country of the

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Speaker 11: Fifty million views for claims that voting is vulnerable to fraud.

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Speaker 11: None of the posts displayed the community note, which is

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Speaker 11: odd because mister Musk says that community notes, the sort

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Speaker 11: of the self regulation scheme for posting, is a way

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Speaker 11: of ensuring that it's an immediate way to.

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Speaker 1: Refute anything false. Are the exact words he said.

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Speaker 11: None of them carried one of those community notes, and

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Speaker 11: begs the question, is he suppressing.

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Speaker 11: That he's not shoed his own users, But it does

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Speaker 11: appear clear that he's abusing his privileged position to sow

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Speaker 11: disinformation that generates discord and distrust in the electoral process,

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Speaker 11: precisely the kind of conspiracy theories that lead them to,

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Speaker 2: CNN's Breonna Miller is also suddenly worried about this terrible disinformation.

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Speaker 12: Musks rise as a Trump backer comes as x has

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Speaker 12: turned into a haven for the spread of misinformation. Since

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Speaker 12: buying the site almost two years ago, Musk's the site

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Speaker 12: has struggled to control it on topics ranging from the

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Speaker 12: election to the assassination attempt against Trump. Sometimes the bad

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Speaker 12: information has been boosted by Musk himself, who posted a

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Speaker 12: conspiracy regarding the attack on Paul Pelosi in October of

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Speaker 2: They're using a variation of Nancy Pelosi's wrap up smear

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Speaker 2: to get out in front of Kamala's fake campaign.

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Speaker 13: And it's a diversionary tactic. It's a self fulfilling prod.

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Speaker 13: You demonize, and then we call it the wrap up smear.

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Speaker 13: If you want to tell politics, called the wrap up smear.

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Speaker 13: You smear somebody with falsehoods and all the rest, and

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Speaker 13: then you merchandise it, and then you you write it

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Speaker 13: and I'll say, see it's reported in the press that this, this, this,

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Speaker 13: reported the smear, and then it's called the wrap up smear.

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Speaker 13: Now I'm gonna merchandise the press's report on the smear

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Speaker 13: that we made. It's it's a tactic.

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Speaker 2: They're suddenly bringing up the concern for disinformation, not to

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Speaker 2: out as promoting dangerous disinformation. Prepare yourself, friends, they're playing

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Speaker 2: the battle. We are warriors. We are strong. Our forefathers

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