Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.
Speaker 2: Welcome to move sticks.
Speaker 3: I am Bucky Brooks and I'm sitting here with my
Speaker 3: man Lance Z. We've just finished Night two of the
Speaker 3: twenty twenty five NFL Draft, and Lance, I mean, there's
Speaker 3: a lot of stuff going on. There are a lot
Speaker 3: of dreams that are realized. But I think we would
Speaker 3: be remiss if we don't start with the biggest story
Speaker 3: of the day. Day two, rounds two and three go
Speaker 3: five quarterbacks have now been drafted. But when the fourth
Speaker 3: round opens on Saturday, Carla, quarterback Shadur Sanders.
Speaker 2: Will still be waiting to hear his name call.
Speaker 1: Yep, he'll still be waiting. And you know, it's a
Speaker 1: different conversation today than it was at the end of
Speaker 1: the day than it was at the beginning of the day.
Speaker 1: At the beginning of day was football people saying, look
Speaker 1: at these silly people on social media arguing about how
Speaker 1: Shador Sanders was supposed to be a top ten pick
Speaker 1: and they didn't watch tape and they and you know,
Speaker 1: and and really this is he fell out. But that
Speaker 1: was that's for football reasons. Now, was there always a
Speaker 1: concern about you know, maybe how he interviewed. Sure, is
Speaker 1: there going to be some concern for some teams about
Speaker 1: Dion Sanders and and his you know, this looming specter
Speaker 1: of Dion if things don't.
Speaker 2: Go well, you know, maybe maybe.
Speaker 1: But once we hit the second round, and Bucky you
Speaker 1: and I talked about off the air, there was a
Speaker 1: scenario where Shore Sanders could absolutely slide out of the
Speaker 1: second round.
Speaker 2: We knew that.
Speaker 1: We knew that, and then if he slid out the third,
Speaker 1: that thought was a second then like what's to keep
Speaker 1: him from sliding in the third. We we did think
Speaker 1: Tyler Shuck could go ahead of him.
Speaker 2: That was possible.
Speaker 1: Once you got all the way to the midway through.
Speaker 1: Once he once he got past the Pittsburgh Steelers and
Speaker 1: eighty three you you turned and said this, maybe this
Speaker 1: may be a wrap form because Cleveland had passed on
Speaker 1: him multiply.
Speaker 3: They pass on so many times that you couldn't envision
Speaker 3: them taking him. And then I would say the nail
Speaker 3: on the coffin or when you really went oh, is
Speaker 3: when Dylan Gabriel, No disrespect to Dylan Gabriel quarterback coming
Speaker 3: out of Oregon, when he's taken ninety fourth overall by
Speaker 3: the Cleveland Browns, where bypassed on an opportunity to take
Speaker 3: the quarterback. That's when you're like, hey man, there's a
Speaker 3: scenario where he may not get drafted today. But also
Speaker 3: you're now beginning to wonder is he going to get drafted?
Speaker 2: Period?
Speaker 3: Because with the Raiders and the Browns bypassing them multiple times,
Speaker 3: the Saint seemingly getting their guy. The Giants have gotten
Speaker 3: their guy. The Seattle Sea Hawks take Jalen mill Roll,
Speaker 3: who's left like now it's a free fall where going
Speaker 3: in the day three in the fourth round. If he
Speaker 3: goes in the fourth round, we talk about developmental prospect.
Speaker 3: Anyone taking a guy where we're just throwing darts. To
Speaker 3: think about him being in that scenario where you're just
Speaker 3: throwing darts, where does he go? And the other thing
Speaker 3: and look, it reminds me of the Tim Tebow thing,
Speaker 3: right when Tim Tebow was out there and despective Tim
Speaker 3: Tebow joining your squad. So much noise, so much perceived distractions.
Speaker 1: Which team it was a distraction though, don't you think
Speaker 1: with Tim Tebow says everything? Every time Tim we got
Speaker 1: sick as a fan, I was so sick and a
Speaker 1: media member hearing about Tim Tebow every time, like, guys,
Speaker 1: this is not the story.
Speaker 3: And so is that going to be the thing, Because
Speaker 3: when sherdurs end is when he gets picked, is the
Speaker 3: first thing that happens.
Speaker 2: Media members arena say, does he have a chance to start?
Speaker 2: Do you have this? What kind of situation do you have?
Speaker 3: I'm looking at a situation where it has to be
Speaker 3: someone that's so interested as the starter that he's a
Speaker 3: non factor when it comes to them bringing him in
Speaker 3: and doing that. And so it's Look, it's a fun
Speaker 3: and not a fun but a very fascinating story to watch.
Speaker 3: I would say one that I don't know if I've
Speaker 3: ever seen a notable name like this experienced kind of
Speaker 3: slat when yeah, it wasn't a conversation going in.
Speaker 1: What's not medical? Right, there's nothing. There's nothing criminal. There's
Speaker 1: nothing medical that we know of. Now let's you know,
Speaker 1: let's just tell it all. He didn't compete at all
Speaker 1: in the Shrine game, Okay, right, he didn't work out
Speaker 1: at the combine. Okay, didn't throw at the combine, not
Speaker 1: the first player not to that. That's not that's not
Speaker 1: that big a deal. Didn't do anything at the Big
Speaker 1: twelve Pro Day, Pro Day, okay, and then he finally
Speaker 1: had his own showcase day. I do think that the
Speaker 1: specter of everything being larger about it being about Shadeur.
Speaker 1: You know, Travis Hunter Dean put lots of platitudes and
Speaker 1: he won the Heisman Trophy. He did I mean he did,
Speaker 1: but he did. He did that. But the other thing was,
Speaker 1: you know, Dian always mentioned Travis every time he mentioned
Speaker 1: sud Or. It's not like Travis, but there was something
Speaker 1: that felt like, you know, there was a push that
Speaker 1: tra that Shadoor was bigger than the team. And that's
Speaker 1: something that will really turn teams off. The fact that
Speaker 1: he went after his offensive line. A year ago in
Speaker 1: a twitch stream, I talked to an assistant GM who
Speaker 1: told me that was a big turn off for him
Speaker 1: because in the NFL, you got to say it's your
Speaker 1: fault even when it's not your fault. Like I got
Speaker 1: to do a better job of getting rid of the
Speaker 1: ball because you're protecting your guys, because your offensive line.
Speaker 1: It's a brotherhood between the quarterback and the offensive line.
Speaker 1: And I think this is a more complicated and more
Speaker 1: nuanced conversation that you and I can have the general
Speaker 1: public just really can't have it in social media setting.
Speaker 1: It requires a lot more conversation because there's a lot
Speaker 1: more that goes into it.
Speaker 2: It's a lot of nuance.
Speaker 3: And back in the day, we would talk about the
Speaker 3: quarterback position being presidential in terms of being very regal
Speaker 3: in nature, very regal in how you handed yourself on
Speaker 3: the field, all to field, impress conferences, in those things.
Speaker 3: And he Shadur is a very confident, very brash, very
Speaker 3: in your face, like he's different.
Speaker 2: He grew up in the seven oh seven era.
Speaker 3: Well, these things are very commonplace, like the watch celebration,
Speaker 3: that's very commonplace. If you go to any seven h
Speaker 3: seven event, you see these kinds of things. But we're
Speaker 3: not necessarily used to seeing a quarterback who is like that.
Speaker 3: And I will say this, and it would be interesting
Speaker 3: to fast forward to twenty twenty six and if Arch
Speaker 3: Manning is in the draft and the things that we
Speaker 3: talk about in terms of Dion and the family and
Speaker 3: all of this other stuff, do you get the same
Speaker 3: kind of sense and sentiment, Because remember, the Manning family
Speaker 3: was very outspoken about Eli going to a place in
Speaker 3: those things, and early in the process Dion talked about,
Speaker 3: wanted to make sure that a we won't go to
Speaker 3: these places, we want to go there and this, and
Speaker 3: the tables have turned. And you just wondered when that
Speaker 3: conversation came out there, how to coaches receive it, how
Speaker 3: to gms and management officials receive it, and those things.
Speaker 3: And now the leverage isn't with the player, the leverages
Speaker 3: with the team.
Speaker 2: And as we go into the.
Speaker 3: Fourth round, man, you are hopeful as opposed to a
Speaker 3: guy that is certain to make the team when you're
Speaker 3: a top prospect.
Speaker 1: I can tell you from talking to NFL personnel people,
Speaker 1: there is a concern right now. This isn't a shadeur.
Speaker 1: This is a general conversation. There is a concern right
Speaker 1: now with entitlement on the college level because of NIL,
Speaker 1: because it's gotten so out of control so fast. It's
Speaker 1: gone from zero to one hundred miles an hour, and
Speaker 1: the amount of money that's there, and the stories you
Speaker 1: hear behind the scenes with players becoming really really difficult,
Speaker 1: the ability to leave any time you want, the transit.
Speaker 1: It's a constant state of free agency. There is a
Speaker 1: belief by NFL teams that players are becoming more difficult
Speaker 1: to deal with. And this is and it really is
Speaker 1: only this is only like the third year that we've
Speaker 1: seen in NIL, so it's still very very early. But
Speaker 1: I do think that there you are going to see
Speaker 1: more and more teams who are going to try to
Speaker 1: figure out who the more entitled ones, who the I
Speaker 1: don't know if I want to say spoiled or whatever,
Speaker 1: but the guys who are in it for the NIL
Speaker 1: and who are in it for football. I believe shit
Speaker 1: Or Sanders loves football. I think he loves football on tape.
Speaker 1: To me, he's the second round talent. He's the second
Speaker 1: best quarterback in this draft. I think he's got tremendous
Speaker 1: His confidence, to me, is a huge plus. Now some
Speaker 1: of it's too extra. Oh it just it just is.
Speaker 1: I mean, let's just be real. Some of it is
Speaker 1: too much. You got to dial some of that back.
Speaker 1: I don't mind brash, I don't mind confidence. I don't
Speaker 1: mind cocky Aaron Rodgers stuff, all that stuff. Baker Mayfield
Speaker 1: rubbed people the wrong way. You can do it when
Speaker 1: you're bawling out on a high level in the NFL.
Speaker 3: But it didn't impact Baker when it came to the
Speaker 3: draft no impact.
Speaker 1: Well, and see I heard stuff behind the scenes like
Speaker 1: it seemed he left in the middle of the seat,
Speaker 1: you know, like that bothered me.
Speaker 3: But but he's not the first one. Joey Harrington has
Speaker 3: some stuff where he does. It could have been hard
Speaker 3: to deal. It didn't stop teams from taking him third overall.
Speaker 3: And I do understand talent brings tolerance, and we talked
Speaker 3: about him not having the elite tools in those things.
Speaker 3: But I'm just telling you I never thought that it
Speaker 3: would be a situation where he falls. Can we have
Speaker 3: a third and so look, don't want it to overshadow
Speaker 3: like the night of so many guys realizing their dreams,
Speaker 3: but man, we have to at least address what was
Speaker 3: look early in the process. We're talking about two quarterbacks
Speaker 3: who was going to be number one. To have the
Speaker 3: guy who was in that conversation not only completely fall
Speaker 3: out of the first round, but to not be taken
Speaker 3: in the first three rounds, to me, it makes it
Speaker 3: a more significant story.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you and I have both been censored of
Speaker 1: the fact that good football players have not had enough
Speaker 1: conversation in this process.
Speaker 2: Of leading up because we talked about it.
Speaker 1: Because everything's been should or should or should do and
Speaker 1: it's not fair to cam Ward first and foremost. Cam
Speaker 1: Ward deserved way more to not get enough shots, not
Speaker 1: get enough shine.
Speaker 2: This is different.
Speaker 1: Well, the conversation we're having now is how did it
Speaker 1: happen and what happens now. The reason that happened is
Speaker 1: going to be different for different teams. Some teams probably
Speaker 1: didn't like the football player as much. He's you know,
Speaker 1: he's not he's mobile in the pocket, he's not. He's
Speaker 1: not a fast escapability guy. He takes too many sacks,
Speaker 1: holds onto the ball too long. But you know, there's
Speaker 1: been a lot of players have held them.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of players. You know.
Speaker 1: For everything that you can say, there's a counter to it.
Speaker 1: So that's why it's I think it's I.
Speaker 3: Mean, and my point is this, like when we talk
Speaker 3: about the league and everyone talks about these hot standards,
Speaker 3: we have seen players like Tim Boyle play seven years
Speaker 3: in the league, who was a player who didn't have
Speaker 3: nearly the accomplishment of your sanders, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So like that's where I mean.
Speaker 1: I mean, like I mean, their their career backups, they
Speaker 1: just stay out the case Kingdom, Well in case.
Speaker 3: Case, and so that's the thing, and so we'll get
Speaker 3: to it. We'll see where it ends up on day three.
Speaker 3: But I got to ask you, when you look at
Speaker 3: the first three rounds and you look at teams that
Speaker 3: have put in work, who are some of the teams
Speaker 3: that kind of that you're impressed with what they've been
Speaker 3: able to do so well.
Speaker 1: I like the Patriots had a philosophy, an idea of
Speaker 1: what they wanted to do. Had a conversation with an
Speaker 1: NBA former NBA general manager and I was talking about
Speaker 1: the team that he used to work for and what
Speaker 1: it was like, and he said, you know, even though
Speaker 1: we had a great organization, the thing that bothered me
Speaker 1: was every once in a while we'd be on the
Speaker 1: draft clay and he said, there's only two rounds for us.
Speaker 1: He said, we'd be on the board and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, there's hesitation in the room where we thought
Speaker 1: we were all on the same page. So I think that,
Speaker 1: and Bucky, you've been in those rooms. I think good
Speaker 1: organizations understand this is our philosophy, this is what we're doing,
Speaker 1: and the stick to it on draft day and you
Speaker 1: don't waffle I look at the Patriots and it's interesting
Speaker 1: because they brought because Mike ray Bull came in and
Speaker 1: brought who's his guy, Ryan Calton, Yeah, Ryan Calden. Elliott
Speaker 1: Wolf was already there, Alonso high Smith was already there.
Speaker 1: So the two groups blended together, and it looks like
Speaker 1: they have a really ironed out, well thought out plan.
Speaker 1: Offensive tackle. First pick of the draft, you know, fourth overall.
Speaker 1: They know they had to have tackled. They did it there.
Speaker 1: Trayvon Henderson got a terrific running back and an explosive
Speaker 1: playmaker in the second round, and a third round they
Speaker 1: went and got a guy who can stretch the field
Speaker 1: and Kyle Williams silky smooth wide receiver. And then at
Speaker 1: the back end the they traded back and they still
Speaker 1: were able to add Jared Wilson in an athletic center. There,
Speaker 1: so two offensive linemen and then skilled position players. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised if the second round. You know, they've
Speaker 1: got three picks in the fifth, two and a seventh
Speaker 1: one and a fourth they're gonna mix and match and
Speaker 1: move up. I'm sure at least once, maybe twice, But
Speaker 1: I'll bet you tomorrow's completely defense and I think that's
Speaker 1: probably a philosophy and a discussion that they had in
Speaker 1: their meetings. I like that for the Patriots, they needed
Speaker 1: a lot of help, and I think they maneuvered around
Speaker 1: pretty well and they did what they were supposed to do.
Speaker 3: It's funny because I feel like this team always gets
Speaker 3: a lot of love on Draft Day a draft weekend,
Speaker 3: but the Baltimore Ravens, and we've been in this game
Speaker 3: long enough to know that the Baltimore Ravens do what
Speaker 3: they do.
Speaker 2: They just sit and pick, They wait for good players
Speaker 2: to fall.
Speaker 3: We always talk about draft boards being like snowflakes and
Speaker 3: that nobody has guys ranked in the same order, and
Speaker 3: the Baltimore Ravens appeared always, I would say, feast on others' mistakes.
Speaker 3: And so the fact that they're able to get Malachot
Speaker 3: Starks early in the first round and then they come
Speaker 3: back and on day two, like they get Mike Green.
Speaker 1: Mike Green's the top six.
Speaker 3: I mean, like he was the guy that we talked
Speaker 3: about being a top twenty pick, someone that we knew
Speaker 3: had sack production led the country in sacks. You saw
Speaker 3: the fights inness, you saw him come off the edge
Speaker 3: the physicality and toughness, all those things. And here you
Speaker 3: are in the second round and he's right there in
Speaker 3: the Baltimore Ravens scoop them up.
Speaker 2: Are you just like?
Speaker 3: Here they go again and doing what they do, and
Speaker 3: then later they come and get Emry Jones. I'm talking
Speaker 3: from LSU, just another guy that kind of fits their thing.
Speaker 3: The one thing that always stands out great organizations. They
Speaker 3: understand their identity and they always pick players that suit
Speaker 3: their identity.
Speaker 1: And when you're strong and have strong leadership, you can
Speaker 1: take guys that and you know, Mike Greenfell, there's some
Speaker 1: character stuff, but from what I understand, it's nothing that's
Speaker 1: gonna like. I don't think there's a concern about the person,
Speaker 1: the type of player he is. They just got a
Speaker 1: discounted from what I can tell, they got a discounted
Speaker 1: first rounder later in the second round, and they don't
Speaker 1: overthink it. That's one of the things about the Ravens.
Speaker 1: Malachi Starks, you're not trying to well, if we get
Speaker 1: NICKI man, worry, what we're gonna be able to do
Speaker 1: is we're gonna be able to be more.
Speaker 2: Multiple with dark.
Speaker 1: They just said, how about we go get a Kirby,
Speaker 1: smart player, who's a good tackler, who's mentally tough and
Speaker 1: who fits the Raven way. And NICKI man worry has
Speaker 1: all this talent, but sometimes he turns it off a
Speaker 1: little bit, like it can go off and on, off
Speaker 1: and on. In terms of the motor, he's got to
Speaker 1: get himself, you know. Uh, when he's properly motivated, Man,
Speaker 1: that guy's a monster. Malaka starts, never turns it off.
Speaker 1: He's just ready to play all the time. And that's
Speaker 1: and he's a Raven. And I think what you said
Speaker 1: exactly right, Like they don't they don't overthink things. They say,
Speaker 1: here's a good football player, take them. And when you
Speaker 1: have a strong locker room, you can also take a
Speaker 1: few more chances too. That's something else that should be noted. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: the Ravens did a great job. I think, you know,
Speaker 1: looking at the looking at the draft board, I made
Speaker 1: mention of the Texans going with Jayden Higgins in the
Speaker 1: second round. They got to tackle Ariante Ursri, who we'll
Speaker 1: see how he plays. I have some some concerns about him.
Speaker 1: He doesn't play as fluidly as he tests at tackle.
Speaker 1: Jalen Noel is really explosive slot receiver from Iowa State,
Speaker 1: and then Jalen Smith, the cornerback. And what's interesting there
Speaker 1: is the Texans are saying, we need to get more
Speaker 1: weapons for CJ.
Speaker 2: Stroud.
Speaker 1: We lost to Von Diggs. Tank Dell's out for this
Speaker 1: year and who knows if he'll ever come back, And
Speaker 1: so the Texans immediately said, we're not waiting. We can't
Speaker 1: afford to piecemeal this over two years. We'll go get
Speaker 1: two wide receivers this year and they're both going to
Speaker 1: have to play. I mean, John Menchi's gonna have to
Speaker 1: fight for his job. Xavier Hutchinson, you know, this guy's
Speaker 1: going to have to fight for his job. Justin Watson
Speaker 1: came in, who's a reliable fourth, fifth wide receiver. So
Speaker 1: Texans not only wanted more competitiveness at that position, competition
Speaker 1: at that position. I think they got these two guys
Speaker 1: to play a lot of snaps. To be honest with you,
Speaker 1: and when you're in the AFC, you got to deal
Speaker 1: with Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen and Joe Burrow and
Speaker 1: teams that can put up a lot of points. And
Speaker 1: so Nick Cassario basically said, hey, we cannot sleep on
Speaker 1: wide receiver. We cannot wait until next year. We got
Speaker 1: to get him right now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, look, they are doing a really good
Speaker 3: job of kind of loading up doing it. We talk
Speaker 3: about the best team, understand who they are, and they
Speaker 3: make sure that they kind of stick to the script.
Speaker 3: And I would say that it's funny for us to
Speaker 3: talk about the Dallas Cowboys in this vein, but they
Speaker 3: done a really solid job of sticking to what really
Speaker 3: works for them. Early the first night, we saw them
Speaker 3: get Tyler Booker, someone who's a straight bully at the
Speaker 3: point of attack, you see the video and those things.
Speaker 3: And then tonight they go and get Donovan as Araku,
Speaker 3: who can come off the edge.
Speaker 2: They need pass rushing help.
Speaker 1: And first second type attack first.
Speaker 3: I mean, and you just see where, okay, the combinations
Speaker 3: are gonna start to come and how they're gonna be
Speaker 3: able to get after it. You think about Matt Eberflus
Speaker 3: coming back and he wants to kind of get to
Speaker 3: playing the style where hey, they're playing fast and they're
Speaker 3: getting after it and it's simplistic. As Iraku brings that
Speaker 3: energy and then Chavan, I mean just being able to
Speaker 3: be the big corner. You think about that Tampa two
Speaker 3: style that they can jump into in some of those
Speaker 3: things zone corner, and I just think about his side
Speaker 3: with Trayvon Diggs on the other side, and the ball
Speaker 3: skills and the length and how they can challenge guys.
Speaker 2: In different ways. To me, the Dallas Cowboys have just
Speaker 2: been rock solid when it comes to their picks.
Speaker 1: Bears had four picks in the first sixty two. Colston
Speaker 1: Lovelin we talked about in the first round. Luther Burden,
Speaker 1: another first round discount player. In the second round, I
Speaker 1: thought he was a first round talent.
Speaker 2: I just I think you.
Speaker 1: Have to look past the short throws this year and
Speaker 1: you have to go back and watch twenty twenty three
Speaker 1: and twenty twenty four intermediate and deep throws to see
Speaker 1: what he can be in an offense. It's different than
Speaker 1: the denk and dunk catch and run stuff that Missouri ran. Hey,
Speaker 1: it was great to take advantage of Burden's ability after
Speaker 1: the catch, but that's not all he is. I think
Speaker 1: he's capable of doing a lot more than that, and
Speaker 1: so you know Caleb Williams is going to give him
Speaker 1: an opportunity to show that. In Rome with Douonzay being
Speaker 1: on one side is also going to give him a
Speaker 1: chance to, you know, for the Bears to get creative,
Speaker 1: for Ben Johnson to get creative. Remember that all the
Speaker 1: offensive picks here. Ben Johnson, well, I thought was a mastermind.
Speaker 1: I mean I had a lot of respect for everything
Speaker 1: he did, his play calling, his vision for Jamier Gibbs
Speaker 1: and everything he did. He comes into the Bears and
Speaker 1: immediately grabs a different tight end not named Tyler Warren
Speaker 1: Colston Lovelin, who I think is a more athletic, maybe
Speaker 1: a little higher ceiling pass catcher, and then Luther Burden,
Speaker 1: who you know, frankly I thought was the best wide
Speaker 1: receiver not named Travis Hunter in this draft. So now
Speaker 1: the next also on the second, they got Ozzie Trapillo.
Speaker 1: He is a right tackle only, so I'm not sure
Speaker 1: right now he'll probably play swing. They should be okay
Speaker 1: this year with Braxton Jones at left at Darnell Right
Speaker 1: on the right side, but at some point they're gonna
Speaker 1: expect Tropilla to take over. So I do question whether
Speaker 1: or not he can play on the left side, or
Speaker 1: if Darnell Wright can play on the left side.
Speaker 2: That would be a.
Speaker 1: Question I have Shamar Turner I like a lot, a
Speaker 1: little bit undersized as a three technique, But you remember
Speaker 1: another undersized three technique from a weight standpoint, Tommy from Oklahoma,
Speaker 1: Tommy Harris.
Speaker 2: Tommy Harris, Yeah, Tommy Harris. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I'm going way way back. But he was a two
Speaker 1: hundred ninet pound guy that can get up the field
Speaker 1: and disrupt. I think Shamar Turner is a really underrated player.
Speaker 1: I like Shamar Turner a lot. I think the Bears
Speaker 1: have done a nice job. You get four picks in
Speaker 1: the first sixty two, you better do a good job.
Speaker 3: Now let's go to the New York Giants, and even
Speaker 3: though they only made one selection tonight, I think it's
Speaker 3: the combination of who they added Darius Alexander to a
Speaker 3: front line that has been fortified with the pick of
Speaker 3: Abdul Carter, and then I think about Alexander, Carter, Dexter,
Speaker 3: Lawrence Keavon, Tipadeau, Brian Burns, the New York Giants and
Speaker 3: now cooking with gas on defense. And when the Giants
Speaker 3: have been the Giants, it's because their defense has led
Speaker 3: the way I now see a front line d ken
Speaker 3: impose their will on opponents with some of the size
Speaker 3: and athleticism and the attributes and then look Jackson Dart.
Speaker 3: I understand Jackson Dart because Brian Dayball and Joe Shane
Speaker 3: both spent time in Buffalo. And when you have the
Speaker 3: kind of success that they each had in Buffalo with
Speaker 3: a quarterback like Josh Allen, I can see that kind
Speaker 3: of setting your north star.
Speaker 2: That is kind of what you're looking for.
Speaker 3: Physical quarterback that can run, that can do some things
Speaker 3: that gives them Jackson Dart.
Speaker 2: So through two days, I think they're solid. Yeah, the
Speaker 2: quarterback has to play.
Speaker 1: Ye at a high level, but opinions, but we've got
Speaker 1: to let them play.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're a much better team because they were able
Speaker 3: to kind of stick to build up the defense and
Speaker 3: then they were able to get the quarterback that they want.
Speaker 1: You know, Bucky, the Cardinals have a real boom bust
Speaker 1: draft working right now. My two six point five grade
Speaker 1: players boom bus grades both landing on the Cardinals, Walter
Speaker 1: Nolan and Will Johnson. Walter Nolan is a really explosive
Speaker 1: three down player, but at A and M there were
Speaker 1: questions that dogged him about his you know, his professionalism
Speaker 1: so to speak, his his work ethic off the field. Now,
Speaker 1: I was not challenged when he was on the field,
Speaker 1: but people I talked to you over there just said,
Speaker 1: you know, I'll trying to get out of practice here
Speaker 1: and there and wanting to stand the the you know,
Speaker 1: stay in the in the trading room here and there,
Speaker 1: and why does this guy not practice and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: But it wasn't a football issue. There's nothing criminal with him.
Speaker 1: There's nothing anything like that. But Walter Nolan went sixteenth,
Speaker 1: probably could have gone top eight, top nine, something like that,
Speaker 1: maybe even higher. Actually I haven't even higher grade. So
Speaker 1: he's there. Really talented, though. Will Johnson goes forty seventh.
Speaker 1: A little bit of a knee issue that is a consideration.
Speaker 1: Never ran never ran a forty time, and teams thought
Speaker 1: he's a little bit slow. Never ran a forty, so
Speaker 1: we're not sure there. Jordan Birch, Jordan Birch is your
Speaker 1: third round pick. He's two hundred and ninety pounds, looks
Speaker 1: the part but is not real and he's a great
Speaker 1: He's a great athlete. Better rusher than run defender. I
Speaker 1: want him to be tougher at the point of a
Speaker 1: time as a run defender. I want him to show
Speaker 1: more grit and tenacity on a regular basis. If you
Speaker 1: don't have that in the NFL, you flame out quickly.
Speaker 1: Like grit and tenacity or something that you just have
Speaker 1: to have, and that's something Jordan Birch is gonna have
Speaker 1: to have. From a talent standpoint, off the charts, Cardinals
Speaker 1: talent is off the charts. Consistency wise, I would argue,
Speaker 1: no one's very consistent. Will Johnson when he played, was
Speaker 1: very consistent. But you gotta worry about speed. And then
Speaker 1: Jordan Birch has gotta you gotta light a fire on him.
Speaker 1: He's got to put a little glass in that diet,
Speaker 1: be a glass muncher and be a little bit you know,
Speaker 1: and just be a little saltier I think to play
Speaker 1: in the NFL because these are these are tough guys,
Speaker 1: it helps to have a little glass.
Speaker 2: In your diet.
Speaker 3: So it's funny because I know, you know, Chris Ballet
Speaker 3: will and we've always been able to talk about ballot
Speaker 3: likes the athletic freaks, and so we've always been to
Speaker 3: kind of identify the Indianapolis Colts. Well, I'm gonna say
Speaker 3: John Side in the Seattle Seahawks, they certainly like to
Speaker 3: drink from that same water trough. When you look at
Speaker 3: what they've been able to do, Like first they go
Speaker 3: and get Gray's Abel in the first round, so that
Speaker 3: was Thursday night. But then to come back and you
Speaker 3: look at who they've taken today.
Speaker 2: Nick emm and Worry from.
Speaker 3: South Carolina, freak show athlete put on a show at
Speaker 3: the combat was really the star of the combat, King
Speaker 3: of the combine.
Speaker 2: We can call him Elijah Arroyo.
Speaker 3: Think about the talent, the tools that he brings to
Speaker 3: the tight end position and how he can be that
Speaker 3: flexed in to get open down the middle of the
Speaker 3: field for Sam Donald. And then you top it off
Speaker 3: with Jalen Murroe, who is the freak show of all
Speaker 3: freak shows.
Speaker 2: At quarterback.
Speaker 3: The talent and the tools were there in terms of
Speaker 3: man he is an elite running back playing quarterback with
Speaker 3: big time arm talent. In terms of being able to
Speaker 3: push it down the field, John Snyder is banking on
Speaker 3: the traits. These tools are going to translate into production
Speaker 3: and that is going to help us get over the top.
Speaker 3: And you see it particularly in their day two picks.
Speaker 3: They went big on a prototype. Yeah, I thought they
Speaker 3: had a good I thought they had a good day.
Speaker 1: And Jalen Milroe is just so intriguing to me because, look,
Speaker 1: I don't love him as a quarterback based on what
Speaker 1: I saw, I thought he was more like a fourth round.
Speaker 2: Pick, a backup.
Speaker 1: But the thing that you can't handicap is players who
Speaker 1: have dynamic speed, like you can't game plan for it. Defensively,
Speaker 1: you can, but it's more on the college level, on
Speaker 1: the high school level. On the pro level, you can't
Speaker 1: really do that as long as you're not too predictable.
Speaker 1: As an offense. It's really hard to handle quarterbacks who break, contain,
Speaker 1: break the pocket, or can run because now nowadays teams
Speaker 1: will just direct snap and it turns into power and
Speaker 1: they're around the corner. And I mean, Jalen Milroe could
Speaker 1: turn into a first down getter when you're in third
Speaker 1: and short as a rookie, they could do something like
Speaker 1: that with it. I'm not convinced that you can't run
Speaker 1: some Taysom Hill type stuff with him early on in
Speaker 1: his career and just find ways to get him to
Speaker 1: ball and you see if he can be explosive. Now
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean I don't think like he's certainly worth
Speaker 1: developing see if you can develop the footwork, the timing,
Speaker 1: the decision making. But he's just a special, special athlete,
Speaker 1: you know, Bucky. When you get the five star and
Speaker 1: you see it, five star ath coming out of high school,
Speaker 1: everyone wants to draft, everyone wants to recruit those guys.
Speaker 1: You get the five star atch and we will figure
Speaker 1: it out and we get it. Maybe it'll be a corner,
Speaker 1: maybe it'll be a quarterback, maybe it'll be a wide receiver,
Speaker 1: running back. He's like one of these special five star
Speaker 1: athletes that yeah he's a quarterback, but we just want
Speaker 1: him in the building because you got to figure out
Speaker 1: how we're going to use him. We just know there
Speaker 1: aren't many like him. There's maybe been one two other ones,
Speaker 1: Vic and Lamar Jackson. I don't know anyone else that
Speaker 1: runs like those guys.
Speaker 3: No, And the thing is, I would ask Alabama. I
Speaker 3: don't know why they didn't run him more. To be honest,
Speaker 3: I'm with you. That's the thing. Like when people made
Speaker 3: the comparison to Lamar Jacks, Lamar Jackson had fifteen hundred
Speaker 3: yard seasons back to back. Jayson Milroe didn't touch the
Speaker 3: ball enough to fully max out his running skills. And
Speaker 3: I would like to see what the Seattle Sears are
Speaker 3: able to do. The good thing about their situation with
Speaker 3: Drew Locke already in the building to back up Sam Donald,
Speaker 3: this is one where they actually have an opportunity to
Speaker 3: play and have fun.
Speaker 2: They have a chance to really develop him.
Speaker 3: He can be on the scout team kind of working
Speaker 3: and being the other team quarterback while also working on
Speaker 3: his game, and then next year we can kind of.
Speaker 2: See if he can be a special player.
Speaker 3: But you're right, you would like to think they want
Speaker 3: to put the ball in his hands and see if
Speaker 3: they can get something out of them. Last team that
Speaker 3: I want to bring up Tampa Buccaneers and the Buccaneers
Speaker 3: I just love it. Look I'm dB tonight. They were
Speaker 3: able to get Benjamin Morrison and then they get Jacob
Speaker 3: pet Both those guys. Both of those guys to me
Speaker 3: are plug and play starters in any situation and in
Speaker 3: Todd Bowles defense where they want to zone blitz, they
Speaker 3: want to bring pressure, they want to hang these guys
Speaker 3: in these match zones where they're playing three dep and
Speaker 3: some of this other exotic stuff. Both of these guys
Speaker 3: not only have the instincts and awareness and high Q
Speaker 3: to do it, but man, their physical tools should allow
Speaker 3: them have a lot of success in the defense.
Speaker 1: And what about my last one is going to be
Speaker 1: Darren Is.
Speaker 2: It's pronounced Mogi right mass from the Jets, You're jests.
Speaker 1: He and Aaron Glenn, the new head coach I thought
Speaker 1: so far, have done a fantastic job. They get armand Membu,
Speaker 1: who is I think a plug and play starting right
Speaker 1: tackle to position. They really need Mason Taylor, who I
Speaker 1: loved tight end out of LSU that I think will
Speaker 1: come in and immediately help justin fields there. And then
Speaker 1: azaria A Thomas, a press, a physical press man corner
Speaker 1: who's tough to throw over, and who is you know,
Speaker 1: can really deal with the slower wide receiver. You know,
Speaker 1: if you're not a quick, shifty wide receiver, if you
Speaker 1: let him travel with big wide receivers, that's one of
Speaker 1: those big wide personal matchup guy. I would not have
Speaker 1: him on one side, Buck, I would travel him if
Speaker 1: you're gonna play man and man and make sure you
Speaker 1: keep him on the right kind of matchups. So there's
Speaker 1: gonna be some matchups that aren't great for him, I think,
Speaker 1: But you know, he's pretty good at press, at getting
Speaker 1: his hands on people and slowing him down. So I
Speaker 1: think the Jets did a really nice job with their
Speaker 1: three picks they had at first, a second, and a third,
Speaker 1: but I thought they got really solid value and early
Speaker 1: contributors from all three. All three of those guys.
Speaker 3: You know, the big thing with the Jets, I want
Speaker 3: to see Aaron Glenn and talked about one to have
Speaker 3: that three headed monster at running back.
Speaker 2: Maybe they find a.
Speaker 3: Guy that they can throw into the rotation because with
Speaker 3: Breeze Hall, Brandon Allen, if you can find another guy
Speaker 3: they really want to get after and run the football
Speaker 3: and be physical. With Justin Fields, who's will call him
Speaker 3: half a running back, they can be pretty dynamic. Yeah
Speaker 3: he is offensity with their running game.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, Jets are. They could be interesting next year.
Speaker 1: It's not like they don't have talent. The Jets have talent.
Speaker 1: They picked seventh because things just fell apart on them
Speaker 1: last couple of years. But the Jets, the Jets could
Speaker 1: be a problem by next year if Justin Fields, you know,
Speaker 1: can have it really an above average year. So, especially
Speaker 1: if they keep drafting like this, one team to keep
Speaker 1: an eye on for tomorrow. I think is going to
Speaker 1: be the San Francisco forty nine ers. They have a
Speaker 1: billion draft picks. They've got eleven picks in this draft.
Speaker 1: They've already picked four players. They got two forced, two fists,
Speaker 1: three sevens, three sevens. They're they're not going to use
Speaker 1: two forces and two fists. They're going to figure out
Speaker 1: exactly who they want and they will use those draft
Speaker 1: picks to get four picks will turn into two and
Speaker 1: they'll get two guys that they love.
Speaker 2: That's what they're gonna do. Ye knows. Let's see if
Speaker 2: there's anybody that is available.
Speaker 3: Like anybody that you're brewing on that you think could
Speaker 3: be or should be coming off the board pretty quickly.
Speaker 1: Well, Bucky, I would say, you know, I'll start at
Speaker 1: running back Dylan Samson and bea Shaal Tooton or two
Speaker 1: running backs that I think should come off the board
Speaker 1: fairly quickly. Actually, this is a great running back draft.
Speaker 1: You got Trevor et Tien and Jayden Blue, two guys
Speaker 1: who can explosive plays out of the backfield. Trevor Ettien,
Speaker 1: I think is a little more dynamic in terms of
Speaker 1: three downs. Cam Scattabo, everyone's favorite. I know you're a fan.
Speaker 1: I am too. I think he's a good football player.
Speaker 1: Every time you watch him. He's the hardest guy to tackle.
Speaker 1: It's Ashton gent and then Cam Scattaboy. Those are the
Speaker 1: two hardest running backs to tackle in college football. I
Speaker 1: think those are guys to keep in mind to keep
Speaker 1: an eye on. Where Will Quinn yours and should Or
Speaker 1: Sanders fall and Kylin McCord, Will Howard, Riley Leonard. These
Speaker 1: are name guys. It's going to be interesting to see
Speaker 1: where they end up. On the defensive side of the board.
Speaker 1: I think guys to keep him an eye on would
Speaker 1: include Danny Stutzman, good linebacker, very good tackler from Oklahoma.
Speaker 1: Josh Farmer, the big defensive tackle from Florida State. Fourth
Speaker 1: rounds about where he should go. Brayden Swinson pass pass
Speaker 1: rusher from LSU, and Darren Sorel pass rusher from Texas.
Speaker 1: These are some of the guys I can tell you
Speaker 1: the defensive tackle this this is gonna be filled with
Speaker 1: defensive tackles tomorrow, edge rushers. We'll see a big run
Speaker 1: on the running backs, and you're about to see a
Speaker 1: ton of linebackers start coming off the board. We're gonna
Speaker 1: be here for every pick of every round, we're gonna
Speaker 1: say a lot of linebackers' names, a lot of defensive
Speaker 1: tackles names, and a lot of running back names.
Speaker 2: A lot of running backs.
Speaker 3: Day three is about developmental players, special team standouts, guys
Speaker 3: that are going to have to make the team by
Speaker 3: doing it on the third phase of the game.
Speaker 2: And so look, we look forward to everyone coming back.
Speaker 3: We're gonna have a rap up show at the end
Speaker 3: of the weekend where we talk about all the things
Speaker 3: that took place over draft weekend. Until then, make sure
Speaker 3: you check out all the coverage NFL Media, NFL Network,
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