Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we've got a little Thursday
Speaker 1: night football from Lucas Oil Stadium. Yeah, the game wasn't played,
Speaker 1: but we had football players doing things that matter for
Speaker 1: the NFL. Yes, it feels like we're back on a
Speaker 1: night recap. I got Nick Schuk, who was in the
Speaker 1: stadium the whole day, and he's made it back to
Speaker 1: his hotel room where he's broadcasting from a tiny microphone
Speaker 1: that we ordered on Amazon twenty four hours ago so
Speaker 1: he could join us.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Nick Schuk, Thank you for getting that set here.
Speaker 2: Poorly lit in this hotel room, but we're making it happen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm really excited. Let's just recap this day later
Speaker 1: in the show. Also, I'm gonna play a conversation I
Speaker 1: had with Nate Tice looking ahead to the next three days,
Speaker 1: who we're kind of looking at throughout the rest of
Speaker 1: the combine. But you know, we've already got results to
Speaker 1: talk about. Shogogy by the way, Like, what is it
Speaker 1: like there in the stadium, Like what are you are
Speaker 1: you like a stopwatch guy?
Speaker 3: What are you doing there for seven hours?
Speaker 2: I'm not a stopwatch guy? I go off the official results.
Speaker 2: I stood up in the suite. What I really do
Speaker 2: is watch the drills and take notes on every rep
Speaker 2: of every player because it allows me to filter through.
Speaker 2: And then some guys pop over time. You know, Tristan
Speaker 2: Wurf's pops over time, the Cam Jurgens pops just insially
Speaker 2: with the eye tests being there and seeing all the
Speaker 2: reps and I'm taking notes and I'm putting together the
Speaker 2: All Combined Team. And if you go back in history,
Speaker 2: I've nailed some guys that people weren't paying attention to.
Speaker 2: So check it out when it comes out next week.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love.
Speaker 1: All Combined Team is one of the best pieces of
Speaker 1: content we do on NFL dot Com all year. One
Speaker 1: of the signature shook pieces. Well, then you should get going.
Speaker 1: I mean it'd be silly if I did. Let's hear, like,
Speaker 1: give me a standout to start with.
Speaker 2: All right, So tonight was defensive linemen, edge rushers, and linebackers,
Speaker 2: and I felt, as many have said about this draft class,
Speaker 2: the depth is in the defensive line and specifically the
Speaker 2: the defensive tackle. We didn't get a lot of the
Speaker 2: guys that you've heard their names because they weren't participating.
Speaker 2: He had the two guys from Michigan. He had Walter
Speaker 2: Nolan from Ole, miss None of those guys participated, so
Speaker 2: we had to find some other guys, and we found
Speaker 2: some other guys. My honorable mentions list for this group
Speaker 2: is like nine players long, because I had a really
Speaker 2: hard time choosing between them. But the two guys I
Speaker 2: chose that will end up on the all combined team.
Speaker 4: Number one CJ.
Speaker 2: West from Indiana, who had a really good testing session.
Speaker 2: He ran a four nine to five forty with a
Speaker 2: one point seventy three second ten yard split, which is
Speaker 2: very good. At three hundred and sixteen pounds, he jumped
Speaker 2: thirty three inches. The guy's kind of an athletic freak,
Speaker 2: and then he ran through his drills and just looked
Speaker 2: powerful within his framework. He was controlled, he was strong.
Speaker 2: I really liked what I saw and I could see
Speaker 2: him making a difference.
Speaker 4: At the next level.
Speaker 2: The other guy in that group Tyler Williams from Ohio State, which,
Speaker 2: as somebody who follows Ohio State passionately, is a lifelong
Speaker 2: Ohio State fan. I knew that he was going to
Speaker 2: come here and make a difference. I just needed to
Speaker 2: be proven to me, and he did it in every
Speaker 2: single drill. He had the best workout I think of
Speaker 2: any interior defensive lineman out there. Just every rep of
Speaker 2: every drill. You just saw it over and over again.
Speaker 2: And eventually my notes they go from like great rep,
Speaker 2: fantastic rep. You know, this is why it was good,
Speaker 2: that type of thing. As I'm typing them along, I
Speaker 2: get halfway through it, I'm like, God, Tyleak's the real deal.
Speaker 2: This is exactly what I saw from him in college,
Speaker 2: and he's crushing it. I think he did a fantastic
Speaker 2: job tonight.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: You mentioned with Wes there, he was only the eighth
Speaker 1: or ninth player ever at his weight to run that
Speaker 1: fast of forty under five seconds.
Speaker 3: And this is why I love having you there.
Speaker 1: You're in the stadium because you know, you could do
Speaker 1: the relative athletics scores and we will talk about that.
Speaker 1: That's all really important, That's what the combine's all about.
Speaker 1: But you're watching all the drills. I really like that.
Speaker 1: Where do you think these two guys, if they helped themselves,
Speaker 1: might fit in, Because you're right, a lot of the
Speaker 1: biggest names, it was kind of a story at every
Speaker 1: position didn't work out today. You know, Darius Alexander did
Speaker 1: at the defensive tackle position, had a fast ten yard split.
Speaker 1: Don't think he heard himself at all today, had a solidate.
Speaker 1: Where do you think these two guys might fit in?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's usually where I struggle, because you know, the
Speaker 2: draft is kind of a crap shoot. But I think
Speaker 2: about teams that need help stopping the run and need
Speaker 2: help in the interior. And one of the first teams
Speaker 2: that came to mind, even if you look at their
Speaker 2: roster wise they do have a lot of pending free
Speaker 2: agents is the Bengals because they got a lot weaker
Speaker 2: up front there with the losses that they had.
Speaker 3: Round wise, What do you think too.
Speaker 4: I think Tyler.
Speaker 2: I think Lance had him going as high as thirty first.
Speaker 2: A lot of people have him in the second round.
Speaker 2: I could see him sneaking into the back end of
Speaker 2: the first round. It's there are gonna be a lot
Speaker 2: of interior linemen that go in front of him, the
Speaker 2: guys I just mentioned before, so it might be kind
Speaker 2: of hard to crack that.
Speaker 4: But if anything, he's a day too. Guy West is the.
Speaker 2: One where I'm going to have a hard time putting
Speaker 2: my finger on because he played at Kent State. Prior
Speaker 2: to Indian to Go flashes Alma matern Baby. But at
Speaker 2: the same time, I think that there could be a
Speaker 2: little bit of skepticism even though he tested really well today.
Speaker 2: So I think he's a Round two three guy at
Speaker 2: the top. He's not a Round one guy and could
Speaker 2: end up being later. But I really liked his workout.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was texting with someone about him and they said,
Speaker 1: he's the he's a classic. Okay, let's go back and
Speaker 1: watch a little more tape. Yes, exactly after this that
Speaker 1: he grabbed our attention. All Right, we've already spent four
Speaker 1: minutes and we haven't gotten to Shamar Stewart. I know
Speaker 1: you're starting like the way that the day actually started
Speaker 1: with defensive tackles, But to me, this is one of
Speaker 1: those Shamar Stewart blew up the combine, one of those
Speaker 1: combine performances from top to bottom, the Texas A and
Speaker 1: M project six five, two hundred and sixty seven pounds.
Speaker 1: He goes absolutely crazy in terms of his ten yard split,
Speaker 1: his vertical leap goes forty inches, one hundred and thirty
Speaker 1: one For the broad jump, you line it all up
Speaker 1: and he basically had miles Garrett's workout. I mentioned the
Speaker 1: relative Athletics score, which is something that's out there that
Speaker 1: they do great work. Math bomb on Blue Sky check
Speaker 1: him out of one eighteen hundred and two defense of
Speaker 1: ends to work out at the Combine since nineteen eighty seven,
Speaker 1: he came in third. I think it was Mario Williams
Speaker 1: and Miles Garrett that are at the top two, So
Speaker 1: that says a lot. What was like seeing that in person?
Speaker 1: What do you think about him also as a player
Speaker 1: after you talk.
Speaker 2: About the workout, Well, that's the funny thing is that
Speaker 2: a lot of the testing is done off to the.
Speaker 4: Side while the other drills are going on.
Speaker 2: So you might catch avert, but you don't know if
Speaker 2: your focus isn't on it unless you just happen to
Speaker 2: look up and see it out there in the distance,
Speaker 2: or you hear the crowd pop, you see the forty
Speaker 2: and in the stadium it's quiet when they're running the forties,
Speaker 2: and every once in a while somebody rips off a
Speaker 2: time that makes everybody go ooh and I and he
Speaker 2: was one of them. But the downside is is he
Speaker 2: doesn't do the drills, so it just ends right there
Speaker 2: and you're left wondering. Okay, and that's really the combine
Speaker 2: process for me. Obviously, if you're measurables, and that helps
Speaker 2: you compare to past prospects and project how well they
Speaker 2: could play at the next level. But for me, I
Speaker 2: need to marry that with the drills. And so when
Speaker 2: I don't see a guy on the field doing the drills,
Speaker 2: it feels like an incomplete review. Testing off the charts,
Speaker 2: matching historically, sounds like he's got a significant potential. But
Speaker 2: now you have to go back and look at the
Speaker 2: tape because you didn't see the drills. Right, of course,
Speaker 2: everybody's gonna go and the tape.
Speaker 3: The tape wasn't good. I mean again, four and a
Speaker 3: half sacks.
Speaker 1: Depending on who you talk to, you can see the
Speaker 1: promise there, but he definitely didn't show the sort of explosion.
Speaker 1: And it's the type of draft prospect that we end
Speaker 1: up talking a lot about. So this will be our
Speaker 1: first Samar Stewart conversation again. One five to eight ten
Speaker 1: yard split, which is just outrageous exercize, It's it's crazy
Speaker 1: in a four or five ninety four and a half
Speaker 1: sacks doesn't tell the whole story.
Speaker 3: Talking to more people like the tape isn't great.
Speaker 1: He looks like a guy who just doesn't know really
Speaker 1: how to play football yet, And there's been guys like this.
Speaker 3: Rashan Gary is one that.
Speaker 1: Obviously, Javon Walker a couple of years ago is in
Speaker 1: that category.
Speaker 3: But the ones I've spoken to.
Speaker 1: And people that I trust too like his tape's rougher
Speaker 1: that he has even more to go. So it is
Speaker 1: going to be an incredible projection. But Jeremiah had him
Speaker 1: in his top twenty five coming into this week. I
Speaker 1: think he was twenty first. That's already expecting him to
Speaker 1: test well. But now you know, you got Buger McFarlane
Speaker 1: saying he might go number one overall and people thinking, okay,
Speaker 1: this might get him into the top ten. So he'll
Speaker 1: be a fascinating conversation where he's just crazy athletic, which
Speaker 1: you saw today, but the tape doesn't really match up.
Speaker 1: Can you be patient enough? I don't know if you
Speaker 1: have a gut feeling on him off the bat or
Speaker 1: you gotta wait.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, if you want to comp with the
Speaker 2: Mario Williams career. Mario Williams was the shocking pick that
Speaker 2: went ahead of Reggie Bush when everybody thought Reggie Bush
Speaker 2: was a slam dump in that draft, and over the
Speaker 2: course of his career he had a solid career, but
Speaker 2: he never quite lived up to the initial expectation that
Speaker 2: comes with being a number one overall pick. It's hard
Speaker 2: to hold another player to that standard of that expectation.
Speaker 2: And I also think that miss is pretty good. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and the situation at Texas A and M it's hard
Speaker 2: to evaluate because they had so much turnover. You know,
Speaker 2: he ends his career with Mike Elko as the head coach.
Speaker 2: Brier was Jim both Saure. It was a program that
Speaker 2: had just across the board not lived up to expectation.
Speaker 2: They put together legendary recruiting classes and did not produce.
Speaker 2: So I don't want to hold that much against him.
Speaker 2: Having said that, spending a top five pick on a
Speaker 2: player with that potential athletically, but the lack of proof
Speaker 2: on tape is a massive risk.
Speaker 4: So it's gonna take.
Speaker 2: Somebody with the big stones to go up there and
Speaker 2: do that if they feel that confidently about him. This
Speaker 2: is also why we have pro days and everything else.
Speaker 2: So the process is not done.
Speaker 1: Yeah, tonight, we'll just focus on on the combine stuff.
Speaker 1: Although I will say if Mario Williams went seventh, that
Speaker 1: was a good pick.
Speaker 3: He had a good career.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was a good player, just first in that job.
Speaker 1: He just was a bowl. It was just a bold
Speaker 1: number one overall pick. For instance, he's Trevon Walker is
Speaker 1: not on pace to have as good a career nearly
Speaker 1: as Mario Willims.
Speaker 5: And to give me.
Speaker 1: Another students, and yes it's the pick, give me another standout,
Speaker 1: all right.
Speaker 2: So we're gonna go away from the defensive interiors since
Speaker 2: we already did that, We'll go to edge. Interesting group
Speaker 2: because a lot of different archetypes. James Pierce laid it
Speaker 2: out with a four four seven forty that immediately grabbed
Speaker 2: the attention one five to six split, and that's kind
Speaker 2: of what put him on everybody's radar a little on.
Speaker 2: Even in the drills, I will say started well, handled
Speaker 2: the bag drill, well, wave drill.
Speaker 4: Not as good.
Speaker 2: You get into some of the later stuff and you're like, Okay,
Speaker 2: I can see it. I can see it as a
Speaker 2: guy who is going to be an edge rusher who
Speaker 2: has the athleticism to drop back and covered occasional. If
Speaker 2: you're gonna disguy's blitz is that type of thing, send
Speaker 2: a sim pressure, that sort of thing, But when it
Speaker 2: came to athleticism and body control, he passes flying colors.
Speaker 2: In my opinion, he looked like the guy that you
Speaker 2: know fits in there. The comp is going to be
Speaker 2: hard because he doesn't quite fit body wise to some
Speaker 2: of the guys that like a lot of people are
Speaker 2: probably gonna compare it to Brian Burns. He's not quite
Speaker 2: as long as him. But if you're looking for a
Speaker 2: similar archetype, I guess that's your fit.
Speaker 4: But he's He's somebody who define stood out to me.
Speaker 2: He'll end up on the team as well, and then
Speaker 2: landon Jackson, who's a lot different. But the tape really
Speaker 2: I love the tape. His physicality, the way he's able
Speaker 2: to from Arkansas, yes, from Arkansas, who he's able to
Speaker 2: play through blocks and make tackles, that type of thing,
Speaker 2: I thought he crushed it. Athleticism on full display, fluids,
Speaker 2: smooth in motion, just look like a natural, and a
Speaker 2: lot of these drills. I'm really excited to see what
Speaker 2: happens with his career, just because he's somebody who got
Speaker 2: on my radar with his drills. Tonight, and I would
Speaker 2: love to see if he lands in the right spot,
Speaker 2: if he can.
Speaker 5: Make a difference.
Speaker 1: Well, it's funny because the drills more correlate to the football,
Speaker 1: and Pierce is similar, I think to Schmar Stewart, and
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of guys in this draft
Speaker 1: where a lot of mock draft love, a lot of
Speaker 1: good measurable stuff, not necessarily great tape. You hear some
Speaker 1: frustration from Pierce that you're expecting this explosiveness and it
Speaker 1: doesn't totally show up on tape. His vertical actually was bad. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was thirty one inch lego, straight up bad. So
Speaker 1: that's interesting because most of the other numbers, and you
Speaker 1: said the drills look good too, most of the other
Speaker 1: numbers were great, and he was still on the higher
Speaker 1: end of the relative athletics score, but not as crazy
Speaker 1: complete an athlete as land and Jackson, for instance, and.
Speaker 4: Not as complete a workout on the field either.
Speaker 1: Really okay, and yeah, the vertical for Landon Jackson actually
Speaker 1: was even higher than Jamar Stewart. He went forty and
Speaker 1: a half inches, which is just crazy for a guy
Speaker 1: that big kind of seen as like a second round
Speaker 1: type of pick. But helped himself. Today, give me someone
Speaker 1: else that you liked that there too, We'll.
Speaker 2: Move to linebackers. Actually know it will stay on edge
Speaker 2: real quick, because there was a guy who almost made
Speaker 2: my team and I had to end up putting in
Speaker 2: monounorable mentions. David Walker from Central Arkansas. Central Arkansas. So
Speaker 2: this guy lower ceiling in terms of pure physical ability
Speaker 2: and potential, Like you can see the limitations and why
Speaker 2: he ended up at a Central Arkansas instead of like
Speaker 2: a major power for school. But at the same time,
Speaker 2: he went through every drill with polish of a guy
Speaker 2: who's played a lot of football and understands his body
Speaker 2: and how to use it. It wasn't until like his last
Speaker 2: rep that he even made a mistake. Every other drill
Speaker 2: prior was just like a fundamentally sound, very controlled rep
Speaker 2: where I just kept writing in my notes as I
Speaker 2: went through the list, I was like, God, there's another
Speaker 2: good ref of him. Gouh, there's another good ref of him.
Speaker 2: Like he's, like I said, lower ceiling player in terms
Speaker 2: of physical potential, but just was so sound that he
Speaker 2: landed on my radar. I had a ton of honorable
Speaker 2: mentions with this group as well. I thought Jordan Birch
Speaker 2: from Oregon had a pretty good day. Jack Sawyer, for
Speaker 2: the most part, had a very good day. You can
Speaker 2: tell very much that he is the edge guy that
Speaker 2: he played at Ohio.
Speaker 1: One note on him, though, he was in the third
Speaker 1: percentile for his arm length, which it's like it's arm length.
Speaker 1: But I forget who the other comps were, but they
Speaker 1: only found like two players that even had reasonable NFL
Speaker 1: careers yep, with that short arm. So that's it's funny,
Speaker 1: and it's a theme of this draft if you're just
Speaker 1: starting to catch up. And I'm including myself in that,
Speaker 1: there are so many different opinions on all these guys.
Speaker 1: Jack Sawyer is a guy who some people have close
Speaker 1: to the first round. Other people will think he's a
Speaker 1: Day three prospect.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't spend a first round pick on him.
Speaker 1: Right, No, But I'm saying like some people think like
Speaker 1: he's barely barely draftable. I think some of these guys
Speaker 1: were talking about Pierce Shamar Stewart. There's going to be
Speaker 1: huge ranges of guys. What before we leave the lineman,
Speaker 1: I did want to mention Donovan at Zaraku of Boston
Speaker 1: College because I think he was a guy that came
Speaker 1: in people wondering how the athleticism would be because his
Speaker 1: tape is quite good and he really seemed to check
Speaker 1: off boxes. Was in the eightieth percentile for relative athletics score,
Speaker 1: and so he's someone where it's like, maybe there's questions
Speaker 1: because the tape is good, and he showed that that
Speaker 1: he's a good enough.
Speaker 2: His drills were good too. He was in my honorable Mentions.
Speaker 2: I want to fit him into there as well. It
Speaker 2: wasn't great one hundred percent consistent, but you could see it.
Speaker 3: That's great.
Speaker 1: And Derek Harmon, the interior guy from Oregon, only ran
Speaker 1: the forty kind of a borderline first rounder, but he
Speaker 1: did run the forty fast. And then Princely Uma Mayan,
Speaker 1: what do you think about him?
Speaker 2: Him and Harmon actually had similar workouts and when it
Speaker 2: came to the drills, because there were reps where you're like, oh,
Speaker 2: it's there, like I totally see it there, but it
Speaker 2: was just inconsistent. It was sloppy reps here and there,
Speaker 2: it was stubbles. It was just a lack of like
Speaker 2: control in some of these situations that you want to
Speaker 2: see in these on field drills. So I left a
Speaker 2: little bit of an uneven feeling about both of them,
Speaker 2: but I see the upside, especially with Princely when it
Speaker 2: comes to the physical traits.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he looked like a little stiff, but a big vertical,
Speaker 1: a big broad and a guy who looks like he
Speaker 1: could be a real pass rusher, like a situational I mean,
Speaker 1: he's got some juice on tape, and so I was
Speaker 1: curious how he would do. All right, let's get to
Speaker 1: the linebackers. I think I know where you're going with
Speaker 1: at least one of your offe.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's weird group.
Speaker 2: You know, looking back last year, we had Edge Cooper
Speaker 2: in that group, and like he was one of those
Speaker 2: guys that you compare it with the tape and you
Speaker 2: could see in the workout where I was like, he's
Speaker 2: going to make a difference.
Speaker 3: And he did.
Speaker 2: That guy didn't really exist in this group. The best guy,
Speaker 2: I'm surprised. The best guy I found was Giad Campbell
Speaker 2: from Jihad. Campbell from Alabama. I thought, you know, he
Speaker 2: ran a four or five to two, ten to seven
Speaker 2: broad jump and he lived up to the reputation of
Speaker 2: guys who rely on speed. Aflows isn't to make their plays.
Speaker 2: He also was a guy who played different spots because
Speaker 2: Alabama was so deep at edge with guys like Dallas Turner.
Speaker 2: So he's got experience doing both, which is interesting to
Speaker 2: me because I think it's valuable as we see the
Speaker 2: edge defender kind of morph into this ambiguous, do both
Speaker 2: things type of role and how he could fit into
Speaker 2: teams that might need to address both positions. Because he
Speaker 2: looked really good in coverage. He had soft hands, he
Speaker 2: looked like a natural back there. Yeah, but he's also
Speaker 2: a guy who has experienced, you know, playing edge. In fact,
Speaker 2: he stuck around after everybody was done and did an
Speaker 2: extra bag drill as an edge rusher, just to kind
Speaker 2: of show the scouts, look, I'm capable of this as well.
Speaker 2: So he had the best workout of that group. But
Speaker 2: a lot of these linebackers were really hard to separate.
Speaker 2: I felt like I was watching a lot of the
Speaker 2: same reps from a lot of these guys.
Speaker 1: Okay, but that's why we got shook in the building
Speaker 1: to tell us gidd Campbell's staying late and he's doing.
Speaker 3: The edge rusher.
Speaker 1: I from my vantage boy on the couch watching on TV,
Speaker 1: I thought he had a great day, and because maybe
Speaker 1: it's a position where he's so clearly the best off
Speaker 1: ball linebacker. I mean, his his athletic numbers were pretty
Speaker 1: crazy for his weight to run a four or five
Speaker 1: to two and all the other athletic testing scores were
Speaker 1: eighty five ninety percent, and he has really good tape.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: I know teams don't want to draft three down linebackers
Speaker 1: too early, so he's he's a first round pick.
Speaker 3: We'll see how high he goes.
Speaker 1: But the fact that he's so clearly the best that
Speaker 1: his position this year probably is gonna help him and
Speaker 1: so so to me, he felt like one of the
Speaker 1: biggest winners from my advantage because I.
Speaker 2: Had to do team fits and stuff with this, and
Speaker 2: the first team I thought about was the Browns because
Speaker 2: they don't they may not have Jok again based on
Speaker 2: his net issue, and if you need a guy who
Speaker 2: can kind of be a rusher but also is rangy
Speaker 2: and athletic to cover a lot of space like Jok
Speaker 2: has done for the Browns, it's like the perfect fit.
Speaker 2: It's just that where they're picking and what they need,
Speaker 2: he's not going to be there. DJ's got him as
Speaker 2: his twelve best prospect in top fifty right now, and
Speaker 2: I toltally saw why.
Speaker 1: Okay, I love that LSU is Braden Swinson. By the way,
Speaker 1: in eddres Scher, I just thought I like the way
Speaker 1: he was moving than around.
Speaker 3: I mean, no scout, but I think.
Speaker 4: He landed in some of my notes.
Speaker 2: It's funny because like a lot of these guys, it's
Speaker 2: kind of varying on notes. And then Campbell was like
Speaker 2: halfway through, I was like, Okay, he's definitely making the team.
Speaker 2: Like he's definitely gonna be on the list. Now I
Speaker 2: need to figure out the rest of these guys, and
Speaker 2: a lot of them like Swinton, like I have one
Speaker 2: here where he's like decent rep drop ball. There was
Speaker 2: another player out there, last name Scourton, who was going
Speaker 2: like a million miles an hour, just completely out of
Speaker 2: control in a couple of the drills and had to
Speaker 2: kind of tone it down. But it's funny because some
Speaker 2: of those guys were just kind of up and down.
Speaker 2: It was a little bit hard to separate a lot
Speaker 2: of this group.
Speaker 1: Okay, so that there's a bunch of the winners, we
Speaker 1: don't need to do losers from the combine. I guess
Speaker 1: the combine slightly was a loser because of all these
Speaker 1: guys who are now not testing, you know, some had injuries,
Speaker 1: some just said it was a personal decision. Jalen Walker,
Speaker 1: for instance, who's looking like he could be anywhere from
Speaker 1: pick two to you know, he could be top ten,
Speaker 1: more of an edge rusher, but also would have worked
Speaker 1: out with the off ball linebackers like he didn't work out,
Speaker 1: Mike Green, Michael Williams from George. A lot of high
Speaker 1: potential picks did not work out. And then I guess
Speaker 1: Abdul Carter kind of you know, a downside. The last
Speaker 1: twenty four hours, we find out that he's got a
Speaker 1: stress reaction, and his agent, Drew Rosenhaus says he's not
Speaker 1: planning to undergo surgery, that he will work out at
Speaker 1: his pro day, and Rosenhouse even said I'm confident he's
Speaker 1: going to go number one. I'm like, wow, how is
Speaker 1: this these meetings going with the Titans. I don't know,
Speaker 1: because he was the odds on favorite to go number one,
Speaker 1: but it's just a little not not what you want.
Speaker 1: Obviously during combine week for the potential number one overall.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know, the stress reaction in the foot
Speaker 4: that concerns me.
Speaker 2: I think about like past players or dealt with footagehes
Speaker 2: and think about like Sammy Watkins and his foot is shoes,
Speaker 2: Like it's something that I feel like you want to
Speaker 2: get taken care of now, as opposed to you know,
Speaker 2: letting it all right. Well we're just gonna move on
Speaker 2: without it. It's not causing me any pain. Well, what
Speaker 2: if he gets worse and then that causes concern with
Speaker 2: teams in your draft stock falls?
Speaker 1: You know you want well, you want to do that
Speaker 1: pro day. That's the thing is he wants to put
Speaker 1: up some big numbers.
Speaker 2: Especial because he' off that shoulder injury that was plaguing
Speaker 2: him throout the playoff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then maybe you maybe you get it after that.
Speaker 1: But that's that's just something we'll be tracking throughout the process.
Speaker 1: Drew Rosenhaus, By the way, big winner uh on NFL
Speaker 1: Daily because he stopped me outside of seat almost and
Speaker 1: said he appreciated the one on one listen.
Speaker 3: And so uh oh that's going to stick with me.
Speaker 4: Look at that feather and Greg's cap.
Speaker 1: There we go, before we go, just a couple of
Speaker 1: little not even little. They usually would be leading the
Speaker 1: show with this a couple of items from the rest
Speaker 1: of the league that the Chiefs plan to use the
Speaker 1: franchise tag on Trey Smith. That was according to Ian Rappaport,
Speaker 1: I am curious. You know they did tag and trade
Speaker 1: l Jerius Snead last year, so Greg, it's possible.
Speaker 4: Give me my flowers. We did it on the tag primer.
Speaker 4: I told you they.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, there's different opinions, and you were right.
Speaker 1: And Trey Smith number two on my top one on one.
Speaker 1: He will not make it to free agency. Neither will
Speaker 1: t Higgins, who's number one. That's usually how these things go.
Speaker 1: And then looks Matthew Stafford. I'd put him number one
Speaker 1: if he was a if he was just a free agent.
Speaker 1: That's how much quarterbacks matter. A lot lot going on
Speaker 1: in the Stafford world dueling reports since we've last uh taped.
Speaker 1: Ian Rappaport uh put it out there following up on
Speaker 1: a report was originally from Jordan Schultz that Tom Brady,
Speaker 1: the the owner minority owner of the Raiders, you met
Speaker 1: with Stafford at this Montana ski resort some disagreement which
Speaker 1: was hashed out at a Starbucks. You guys probably know about.
Speaker 1: I mean we're here team rap Sheet all the way.
Speaker 1: You know, uh, who was it? Danie O'Neal put out
Speaker 1: the the nickname for for Schultz Air Jordan, but e
Speaker 1: r r uh just based on the reporting. Hated the reporting,
Speaker 1: uh from from that from that man during the Deshaun
Speaker 1: Watson whole thing.
Speaker 3: Just a lot of rough stuff.
Speaker 1: But anyways, either way, these guys are meeting, the Raiders
Speaker 1: are really pushing.
Speaker 3: I thought it was interesting.
Speaker 1: Vic Taffer from The Athletic also said the Raiders aren't
Speaker 1: interested in Darnold at are all, which might inform.
Speaker 3: How interested they are in Stafford.
Speaker 1: So this thing is moving forward to the point where
Speaker 1: you're like, wow, like something's gonna happen. But at the
Speaker 1: eleventh hour, here we hear from rap Sheet and a
Speaker 1: couple other places too with similar in Pete Schrager too
Speaker 1: with a similar reporter that McVeigh and Stafford have talked
Speaker 1: over the last twenty four hours and don't count out
Speaker 1: the Rams from getting this done, and maybe the leverage
Speaker 1: of it all and maybe they meet in the middle.
Speaker 1: To me, it feels nick and I'll end my long
Speaker 1: rant here that it's Raiders or Rams. I'd be kind
Speaker 1: of stunned if the Giants end up getting this thing done,
Speaker 1: and it's kind of gonna be up to Stafford on
Speaker 1: some level, right Yeah, you.
Speaker 2: Know, And I had this conversation with some people last night.
Speaker 2: The fit doesn't make sense for the Raiders unless you're
Speaker 2: Tom Brady, because Tom Brady knows one speed, which is win,
Speaker 2: and I want to win now. But like, if you
Speaker 2: look at that franchise, they're not just a quarterback away,
Speaker 2: and you acquire Matt Stafford when you're a quarterback away,
Speaker 2: can the quarterback change the picture dramatically? Absolutely, Jade Daniels
Speaker 2: and Washington, But it doesn't feel like a slam dunk
Speaker 2: that makes all the sense in the world type of fit.
Speaker 2: Yet the pursuit is very strong, and it sounds like
Speaker 2: we're close to that potentially happening. I also thought when
Speaker 2: all this started that this is a bit of a
Speaker 2: staring contest between Stafford and the Rams. You know, how
Speaker 2: long are you know, how far are we going to
Speaker 2: go before we figure things out, hash it out and
Speaker 2: stay together. Also, the Rams don't have a backup plan
Speaker 2: and they're in a much better position to contend right now.
Speaker 2: Why would you just let him go? Via trade or
Speaker 2: via that sort of situation than keep him. It just
Speaker 2: doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. And
Speaker 2: yet here we are.
Speaker 1: I think the backup plan is Aaron Rodgers and or
Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo for what that's worth. Frightening, Yeah, it's really fascinating.
Speaker 3: I agree.
Speaker 1: And yet it's not just Stafford, it's Pete Carroll and
Speaker 1: Stafford and a better front office. So they would be
Speaker 1: trying to win right away. And we've seen teams turn
Speaker 1: things around fast. You gave a perfect example in the Commanders. Now,
Speaker 1: are you competing for a Super Bowl like the Rams
Speaker 1: could potentially do? No, probably not, but you could be
Speaker 1: winning games, and I think that's an attractive option.
Speaker 2: But winning yourself out of a draft position for your
Speaker 2: successor there could be long term ramifications. I guess this
Speaker 2: is what you tied yourself to when you hired Peek
Speaker 2: Carol though.
Speaker 1: So I think the decision for Stafford and we'll see,
Speaker 1: will be something to the effect of how much money
Speaker 1: less do I take to play for the Rams. Like basically,
Speaker 1: if I'm getting sixty from the Raiders and forty from
Speaker 1: the Rams, I'm probably going, you know, like that's too
Speaker 1: big of a gap to make up.
Speaker 3: I'm going to do this thing with the Raiders.
Speaker 1: If it's fifty three for the Raiders and I can
Speaker 1: get the Rams to go up to forty five and
Speaker 1: guarantee some money into year two, maybe that's close enough
Speaker 1: for me and both sides are happy. We will see
Speaker 1: you know, poor Eric, you know he's got to take
Speaker 1: care of it his infant son. And we're going to
Speaker 1: be on Stafford Emergency podcast watch Nick Chuck, thank you
Speaker 1: very much. You will be on the coverage on NFL
Speaker 1: dot Com doing this all combine team, taking notes in
Speaker 1: the stadium all weekend.
Speaker 3: Good luck to you and stay healthy.
Speaker 2: The marathon has only begun, and I hope that I
Speaker 2: don't have to get another plane with the flu like
Speaker 2: I did when I left New Orleans.
Speaker 1: I hope that too, I had that same experience. Like
Speaker 1: I said, we're going to talk to Nate Tye about
Speaker 1: some players to watch for the next three days of
Speaker 1: combine workouts.
Speaker 3: We'll do that right after the break.
Speaker 1: Okay, we are here with one of my favorite people
Speaker 1: in the business, hell favorite people in the country.
Speaker 3: I'm not going to go international with him. It's Nate
Speaker 3: Tice of Yahoo Sports.
Speaker 1: Football three oh one check it out wherever you get
Speaker 1: your podcasts.
Speaker 3: Is great to be with you, Dan, great to be here.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm sorry.
Speaker 6: I maybe have not a leader of the category of
Speaker 6: countries that use the metric system. Mmmm so yeah, just
Speaker 6: the United States, though I'm very happy to be on
Speaker 6: the leader part.
Speaker 3: It's funny.
Speaker 1: So, okay, we we had, you know, the first workouts
Speaker 1: of the combine. We're taping this before and we're gonna
Speaker 1: do a preview of the rest of the week of
Speaker 1: the skill positions and talk a little offensive line, little
Speaker 1: defensive back. But I gotta be honest, like when we
Speaker 1: did that, when we did the episode I did with
Speaker 1: Tom Peli Sarah talking about like my top one oh one.
Speaker 1: We had done that a few years ago, and I
Speaker 1: almost wanted, I don't know what it says about me.
Speaker 1: I wanted some Nate Tice criticism. I want the people
Speaker 1: closest to me to tell me where I'm wrong. Also,
Speaker 1: I feel like the free agents were closer to equal footing.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're much taller than me, but when we're
Speaker 1: talking draft in a couple of minutes, it's like, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm learning from you.
Speaker 3: But this way we can go back and forth.
Speaker 1: Little are there any are there anyone's on the free
Speaker 1: agent list that you thought were too high, too low
Speaker 1: that you want to make fun of me.
Speaker 6: No, I'm glad you had Milton Williams very high because
Speaker 6: I feel like, one he's gonna get really he's gonna
Speaker 6: get paid. So that also makes you look smart. I
Speaker 6: like your DJ Reid ranking. You had him at twelve.
Speaker 6: I actually really like that. I think he's kind of gone,
Speaker 6: you know, under the radar. I think he could be
Speaker 6: a very good number two for some NFL teams.
Speaker 3: Agree with you.
Speaker 1: Oh you know, this is one where I'll send out
Speaker 1: lists and I get some feedback and I'll be like, oh,
Speaker 1: you're probably right.
Speaker 3: Like I'll move up DJ read a little bit. People
Speaker 3: love them some DJ Read.
Speaker 5: He's good.
Speaker 6: I thought Justin Reid might be a little higher. You
Speaker 6: have a twenty six I because he's just a very
Speaker 6: sound safety and could do a lot a lot. Well
Speaker 6: maybe not a star, but there's a lot of teams
Speaker 6: right now that maybe struggle on the back end because
Speaker 6: they got at a little too cute on the back end,
Speaker 6: and Read kind of really like makes cleans things up
Speaker 6: in a lot of people like his leadership.
Speaker 3: Ste He's also a rare dude that can thrive specials.
Speaker 1: He's thrived and literally changed and shored up two different
Speaker 1: defensive systems and is young. That is a combination that
Speaker 1: is very rarely in free agency. I think I'm scarred
Speaker 1: because I always rank safeties really high on this list
Speaker 1: because like, they matter, and I'm ranking guys based on
Speaker 1: how they are at their position, and it happens, right
Speaker 1: and they just get like six million dollars and they're
Speaker 1: sitting out there for two weeks.
Speaker 3: But you're right, justin read's great.
Speaker 6: No, I liked a lot of these, Like it's hard
Speaker 6: to because there's guys that like, okay, even right now
Speaker 6: as I'm scrolling, like Josh Myers, you have a thirty seven.
Speaker 6: It's center for the separate packers, and I think they're
Speaker 6: very fine with moving on from them. They they might
Speaker 6: get creative at that position, which is kind of something TVD.
Speaker 6: They might move Zach tom over to center, like from
Speaker 6: right tackle, which is something to keep an eye on.
Speaker 1: But the best tackle in the league that Will Anderson
Speaker 1: faced apparently according to Will, which I thought was a
Speaker 1: cool answer.
Speaker 6: That was a cool answer, I know, and It made
Speaker 6: me go, man, I got to ask that question more,
Speaker 6: who's the best player you've played against?
Speaker 5: It's such a stable question. But Kevin Clark that Yeah,
Speaker 5: it was a great Kevin Clark question.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 6: With Myers, though, it's like, oh, yeah, he's thirty seven,
Speaker 6: But yeah, that's actually fair, you know. I mean just
Speaker 6: because based on this free agency class, like he is
Speaker 6: an above average I actually might have him over Dolmen
Speaker 6: after Dolmen, but it's some like I'm saying.
Speaker 1: With Falcon Center, which is who's getting a lot of buzz,
Speaker 1: It's like a guy who was the top of the
Speaker 1: maybe interior.
Speaker 6: Line because I'm scarred by the twenty twenty three Falcons
Speaker 6: so much in my hype for them, And then I
Speaker 6: think Dolman's play was very inconsistent that year that I
Speaker 6: still have that, and the last year he battle a
Speaker 6: little bit of injuries and I like him, but it's like,
Speaker 6: if you go between him and Myers, I'm kind of like, yeah,
Speaker 6: either pick either one. I would have them a little
Speaker 6: bit closer, I would say for that.
Speaker 1: In Bill Simmons parlance, no one lost more money on
Speaker 1: their twenty twenty three Falcon stock than you.
Speaker 3: You kind of went all in. You did settle it
Speaker 3: as it was sinking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you stuck with it and hard and now you
Speaker 1: still stick with Arthur Smith just a little.
Speaker 6: I do, I'll do, yeah, Arthur Smith. And then I
Speaker 6: was very excited to see a little Desmond Ritterer with
Speaker 6: the Raiders. So yeah, that was the last remnants of
Speaker 6: that team. Yeah, they were there. It's also I took
Speaker 6: the last three chips I had, you know, after losing
Speaker 6: most of it on the Falcons that year, and put
Speaker 6: him on Drake May, which is like those.
Speaker 1: You've got a million wins, a wide portfolio.
Speaker 3: You almost podcast as much as me. Your one, your one,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 5: Oh no, it was no, it's one. I've learned a
Speaker 5: lot from that one.
Speaker 6: It was like it taught me how to like, hey,
Speaker 6: you know, you gotta be realistic about where you have.
Speaker 6: You have these guys tiered, but I don't even going back,
Speaker 6: Like it's kind of great because I can go chronologically,
Speaker 6: but like Chase Young at forty one, I don't know,
Speaker 6: like ranking wise, where I would even put him if
Speaker 6: I were to do a top one hundred or one
Speaker 6: hundred and one. But he's so interesting and I thought
Speaker 6: your write up was perfect, like kind of like the
Speaker 6: Clowney role, like he's just gonna be a mercenary. And
Speaker 6: I can totally picture him in that role a year
Speaker 6: after you were taking one two year deals and then
Speaker 6: being that kind of I would say secondary rusher, but
Speaker 6: part of a really good pass rush group.
Speaker 1: So I hope, I hope he gets a good year.
Speaker 1: I don't know what the word is, smarter. I think
Speaker 1: Clowney got better and better as he got older. I
Speaker 1: always thought he was underrated, So to me, he has
Speaker 1: a poor man's did that be in clowny? But and
Speaker 1: he have that sort of career because I think there's
Speaker 1: frustrations where he's going off script a little. He has
Speaker 1: signed pretty big negative plays along with all that pocket pushing.
Speaker 1: But a fun player to.
Speaker 5: One, Yeah no, and that's that was the Saint's kind
Speaker 5: of as a whole.
Speaker 6: A lot of guys, especially on the back end then
Speaker 6: you know, maybe a little indifferent to tackling and everything.
Speaker 6: And I told you just before the show, but I
Speaker 6: love that you're one.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 6: One was Nick Chubb because I just thought that was
Speaker 6: a great shout out. But another guy I actually cares
Speaker 6: DeMarcus Lawrence.
Speaker 1: One.
Speaker 6: I didn't realize he was thirty three, so that's maybe
Speaker 6: on me out though maybe he was thirty one or thirty,
Speaker 6: but it makes sense. He's been in the week since fourteen. Uh,
Speaker 6: he's a guy too. I always thought he's a very
Speaker 6: good run defender as well. But he's another guy that
Speaker 6: can like could be a nice contributor for somebody on
Speaker 6: a one year deal, like I think kind of people
Speaker 6: because he got hurt, is kind of just he goes
Speaker 6: kind of goes him in my.
Speaker 1: Top twenty at first, and then I looked at the
Speaker 1: history of guys off Liz Frank injuries that age, and
Speaker 1: so I just bumpedhim down there. One of my favorite
Speaker 1: players of the last ten years. I thought he was
Speaker 1: so underrated for a long time, and then he was
Speaker 1: properly right. People understood that he was like hull of
Speaker 1: very good, one of the best Cowboys.
Speaker 3: In the last twenty years, the most consistent defense, and
Speaker 3: so yeah.
Speaker 1: He could end up having that Kalaeis Campbell like, oh wait,
Speaker 1: he's still really good. Oh wait, he's still underpaid for
Speaker 1: the next four or five years. So I hope I'm wrong.
Speaker 1: They're one of my favorite plays, all right. I want
Speaker 1: to get to the prospects the top fifty. So good,
Speaker 1: let's get to the prospects. So let's go in chronological order. Okay,
Speaker 1: Friday's the defensive backs in tight ends. We haven't talked
Speaker 1: about the tight ends at all on the show. It's
Speaker 1: a fascinating class and I'm going to use some of
Speaker 1: you know, my friend Daniel Jeremiah's rankings. I haven't seen
Speaker 1: your big board three point zero come out yet. I'm
Speaker 1: looking forward to that. Okay, yes, his two point oh's
Speaker 1: out and it's crazy. He's got two in the top ten,
Speaker 1: Tyler Warren and Colston Lovely, and then another couple in
Speaker 1: the top fifty. So that's a that's a tight end
Speaker 1: heavy top fifty. He threw out the grand comparison in
Speaker 1: the Tyler Ward. Now just looking at this week, kind
Speaker 1: of what are you looking for from those two guys,
Speaker 1: assuming they do work out.
Speaker 6: You know what's funny is I interviewed Tyler Tyler Warren
Speaker 6: at the Super Bowl and you.
Speaker 5: Know who he I don't know.
Speaker 6: I can't remember if the question was who he compares
Speaker 6: himself to or who he studies. And I think you'll
Speaker 6: like the answer, Jeremy Shockey, Yeah, which I was like, Okay,
Speaker 6: I love that answer, and then he said Kittle was
Speaker 6: the other one.
Speaker 5: And that's where some comparisons too.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 5: Obviously with tight ends, it's an athletic position.
Speaker 6: So you want these guys to test like freaks, and
Speaker 6: then if they don't test like freaks at USO, I'll
Speaker 6: go okay, we got to go back because they will.
Speaker 3: Loveland tests like a freak.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he can run, you know, he has some movement
Speaker 6: ability a lot like Laporta. I actually even think he
Speaker 6: like his film was even slightly better than laporter coming
Speaker 6: out of college.
Speaker 5: Maybe the last year's philm.
Speaker 6: The one thing with the Michigan guys is they all
Speaker 6: dropped off this year and it might be the post
Speaker 6: Harbaugh hangover. It might be Ben Herbert, their strength coach
Speaker 6: left and now he's with the Chargers. I actually got
Speaker 6: to interview Harbor yesterday, but out he was my strength
Speaker 6: coach at Wisconsin, Ben Herbert, so it's like, oh, I
Speaker 6: actually know this guy, but.
Speaker 5: He's had a big impacts.
Speaker 6: So all those Michigan guys kind of took a step
Speaker 6: back this year, and that's why everyone's trying to gauge.
Speaker 6: It's like twenty twenty three was great, so loved one's
Speaker 6: included with that, and that was poor quarterback play. He
Speaker 6: went from going with a first rounder and JJ McCarthy
Speaker 6: to insert quarterback name here that Michigan had this year.
Speaker 6: But Lovelin is more of a receiving only tight end,
Speaker 6: not a good blocker in line. I actually like him
Speaker 6: though a lot, with a maybe a Shannan team that
Speaker 6: actually the offense I want him with more than anyone
Speaker 6: is probably the Seahawks, okay, because we're getting with Kubiak there.
Speaker 6: I picture him as that kind of tight end. My
Speaker 6: comparison for him has been Owned Daniels from the old
Speaker 6: Texas tight end.
Speaker 5: Another badger, but I've.
Speaker 3: Ted on Jeremiah's lessened a little rich for this kind
Speaker 3: of play.
Speaker 5: That's kind of profate when for tight ends.
Speaker 6: For me, if you can't, if I don't project you
Speaker 6: in line, I can't bump you too high, I look
Speaker 6: at you more in the twenties, and that's where I
Speaker 6: kind of I've loved one.
Speaker 5: Maybe in that eighteen to twenty four range.
Speaker 6: I haven't solidified it yet, but who knows how you'll test,
Speaker 6: But I still think that's more and more comfortable Warren
Speaker 6: though I get he's a little older, but the thing
Speaker 6: is too, is that he has potential to be a
Speaker 6: true in line why tight end which are so hard
Speaker 6: to find, and he's a good receiver any great yards
Speaker 6: after the catch. That being top ten might be a
Speaker 6: little rich, I might say more as top fifteen, but
Speaker 6: still that's splitting hairs because he is that kind of talent.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's other guys too.
Speaker 1: I mean you say that it's tough to put him
Speaker 1: in the top fifteen or twenty, but like Brack Bowers
Speaker 1: is quite an exception.
Speaker 3: But he is an exception.
Speaker 6: And this is something I'm I think coaches now are
Speaker 6: better than ever of like mitigating maybe lesser blocking tight ends.
Speaker 5: Ben Johnson with Loveport is a great example.
Speaker 6: Or Kincaid with the Bills, don't Kincaid Like these guys
Speaker 6: are now they have learned to kind of go like, hey,
Speaker 6: let's keep what's not making block a defensive end.
Speaker 5: Let's do that.
Speaker 6: So maybe my stock where I usually bump a guy
Speaker 6: down because they can't do that, it shouldn't They shouldn't get
Speaker 6: as bumped down as much.
Speaker 5: They shouldn't get as much of a blemish.
Speaker 1: On them, and people shouldn't get bumped down as much
Speaker 1: if they have a profile like Loveland, so Loveland from Michigan,
Speaker 1: as you mentioned player, if they've put it on tape
Speaker 1: a year before that they're coming out. It's much like
Speaker 1: how I view my free agency list, like if that's
Speaker 1: already out there and there's other factors that caused the
Speaker 1: year before free and Scye, no matter, it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: he can do it. He should get just as much credit.
Speaker 1: If anything, he was younger at that point. If it's
Speaker 1: out there, he can do it again. Right, I'm more
Speaker 1: of a grade the guy when you've seen them play
Speaker 1: their best, because it shows you can do it if
Speaker 1: you can surround him and do the best thing.
Speaker 6: You want the greatest film to be the best film,
Speaker 6: but you're supposed to great guys from their best and latest,
Speaker 6: like you're supposed to.
Speaker 5: Look at both.
Speaker 3: And then Mason Taylor.
Speaker 5: Really like him.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think Daniel had him as a top forty guy,
Speaker 6: which is I'm going to have him kind of comparable,
Speaker 6: Like he's gonna be easily in my top fifty.
Speaker 5: I really like it.
Speaker 3: In Arroyo, is there like anyone you're looking for this week?
Speaker 6: How they well both Royo is not going to work
Speaker 6: out so which kind of a shame because I think
Speaker 6: he would be kind of freaky. Numbers, Mason Taylor, I
Speaker 6: want to see you know Gunner Helm from Texas as well.
Speaker 6: You might have a big one too, But all those guys.
Speaker 6: Also Harold Fannin from Bowling Green, who is just a
Speaker 6: one of what have you watched him at all?
Speaker 3: Or noue? Yeah, I'm catching up, bro.
Speaker 5: So Fannin is so he let the country in receiving.
Speaker 6: That's tight end in the man. Numbers are crazy, they're insane.
Speaker 6: And he runs like a duck like he is. He's
Speaker 6: duck footed as they come, and he runs like that.
Speaker 6: He catches everything he's He breaks the first tackle every
Speaker 6: single time, and not just against the MAC, against Penn State,
Speaker 6: against Texas, A and M. But I don't I like him,
Speaker 6: but I have no idea what to make of him.
Speaker 6: Like I I know he's not an inline guy. He
Speaker 6: tries blocking though he's actually an okay blocker, but he's
Speaker 6: not gonna be the biggest guy. So we'll see how
Speaker 6: he runs too, because it's just like no, I think
Speaker 6: that's what's worrying a lot of people.
Speaker 5: Is that he might not test really well even though.
Speaker 3: He's gonna run the forty like a duck.
Speaker 6: That's why I'm I have no idea, and that's what
Speaker 6: I that's what I'm curious about. I think he's a
Speaker 6: better athlete he's getting credit for because his body control.
Speaker 6: But who knows. But that's what I think. That's why
Speaker 6: people don't know what to do with him. But I'll
Speaker 6: end up with him in my top fifty. But it's
Speaker 6: just like, I don't even know what to do with him.
Speaker 6: I but I've I've considered him a like an Alex
Speaker 6: He's not a full back, but use him like Alcan
Speaker 6: Gold or Kylie us Check where it's like you're doing
Speaker 6: everything every which way. Not a fullback bite like that,
Speaker 6: but just a true h tight end, you know, old
Speaker 6: school that kind.
Speaker 1: Of needs to end up with like one of the
Speaker 1: eighteen Shanahan core coaches, right.
Speaker 6: But now they're becoming all sem Payton like tree coaches
Speaker 6: like that. One's kind of proliferating everywhere.
Speaker 1: Now it's a lot of it. Hell, he's got like
Speaker 1: GM's over there, you know, Darren Moosey.
Speaker 5: With it, just like seven Champayton coaches now like, I
Speaker 5: know that's the new.
Speaker 3: Tree defensive backs.
Speaker 1: They always fly, they're paired with the tight ends on Friday.
Speaker 1: Are there any of the top fifty guys that you
Speaker 1: think is especially important Will Johnson, he's eleventh from Jeremiah Michigan.
Speaker 1: Like some questions about how how Hill tests he had
Speaker 1: today Baron higher than I expected, kind of compared him
Speaker 1: to to Brian Branch, Like that type of player going
Speaker 1: that high he had him in his top ten is interesting.
Speaker 3: Who else are you looking at defensive backs?
Speaker 5: I'm glad he brought Will Johnson.
Speaker 6: Will Johnson was my player overall one in the mid
Speaker 6: season and because I was Again he's a Michigan guy
Speaker 6: where his twenty twenty three tape was great and then
Speaker 6: early twenty twenty four it was kind of up and down,
Speaker 6: but he battled injuries and now character stuff's coming out.
Speaker 6: So like I even said this on our show, is
Speaker 6: that he kind of has the trifecta of Combine Week.
Speaker 6: So he's got clear his medicals, his interviews have to
Speaker 6: go well, and then he has to test well. Because
Speaker 6: some people are worried about his long speed. I cauld
Speaker 6: believe some people were dropping him, so harshly. I'm not
Speaker 6: gonna have him at one by still I'm going to
Speaker 6: have him probably comfortably in my top ten because I
Speaker 6: think his upside is.
Speaker 5: A true number one corner, which is so hard to find.
Speaker 5: But he he's got to.
Speaker 6: Kind of prove a little bit to kind of get
Speaker 6: back to that status, I think in the eyes a
Speaker 6: lot of people.
Speaker 5: But this is kind of a fun class. I mean, Sean.
Speaker 6: Ravel from East Carolina, but he's not gonna do anything,
Speaker 6: but his medicals have to clear through.
Speaker 5: And of course Travis Hunter, which is who's star of
Speaker 5: all stars.
Speaker 3: You since the.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's just Jeremiah and Andrew Berry, the Browns general manager.
Speaker 1: But I just have this feeling as we get closer
Speaker 1: to the draft that more people are gonna think of
Speaker 1: him as.
Speaker 3: A wide receiver because he's so good at that position.
Speaker 6: Even Matt Harmon yesterday was just like, are we sure
Speaker 6: he's not a full time receiver because his skill his
Speaker 6: ball skills are rare, like truly rare.
Speaker 1: It's just if I'm evaluating it's more reliable. Cornerbacks are
Speaker 1: so hard to evaluate. But I guess he's not. You're
Speaker 1: pretty sure about it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, No, he's he's gonna be player one because even
Speaker 6: if he was just a corner, he's number one player on.
Speaker 3: The board because its size though.
Speaker 6: That's and that's what we're pretty bigs me at receiver too,
Speaker 6: is like I think of how many top ten.
Speaker 5: Receivers have been some.
Speaker 6: DeVonta Smith, and what's happened with Wattle and Smith that
Speaker 6: you're getting hurt. It's like and again DeVante's I love
Speaker 6: Toante Smith, but he's a high end two, you know.
Speaker 6: And and but those guys like that's what worries me
Speaker 6: too about the reps is if people are like, oh,
Speaker 6: we're doing both tel well and that's how he moves,
Speaker 6: like and Odell was outside the top ten, he was
Speaker 6: yeah yeah, but what happened to Odell got hurt and
Speaker 6: so him playing both ways, that is what scared me.
Speaker 6: Where people are getting a little ahead of themselves. Is
Speaker 6: that like when you're that when you're one eighty five,
Speaker 6: like weights matter, and like just like we talked about this,
Speaker 6: I know you get on me sometimes about it, but
Speaker 6: it really does. Like over time, that's going to add up.
Speaker 6: Those hits add up, those reps add up.
Speaker 1: So at that point I was trying to like tackle,
Speaker 1: running backs even exactly.
Speaker 6: But then all of a sudden, you're a receiver getting shot,
Speaker 6: battling press. You know, you're not just taking a rest
Speaker 6: out there, You're like working on those running another go.
Speaker 6: And it's not college goes where it's eighty percent. Sometimes
Speaker 6: it's like, no, you gotta run one hundred percent. And
Speaker 6: if he's gonna be on the field as just receiver
Speaker 6: or say say's corner, part time receiver, those players are
Speaker 6: probably going to him, say you know, you know, if
Speaker 6: he's on the field for twelve plays, eight of them
Speaker 6: will probably a target to him or a touch to him,
Speaker 6: or at least six, you know.
Speaker 5: So that's where I have a little worries.
Speaker 6: But I do still think that he's special enough that
Speaker 6: he should get that package place.
Speaker 5: So it should look like Dean Wing's with the Cowboys.
Speaker 5: That's what she'll look like. Okay, that's how I picked that.
Speaker 3: Well, we'll see.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it'll be really interesting because I
Speaker 1: think different teams will view him differently, so it'll it'll
Speaker 1: exactly maybe matter where.
Speaker 3: He ends up.
Speaker 1: Because to me, Dionne, you know, you didn't make that
Speaker 1: much of an impact as a receiver ultimately.
Speaker 5: Right, there was a couple of years touchdowns. It's kind
Speaker 5: of cute. Yeah, it was kind of cute exactly.
Speaker 1: Maybe Cavante Turpin's receiver value, right, I always wanted them
Speaker 1: to use more fastest player in the NFL.
Speaker 3: They should resign him.
Speaker 1: All right, We've transition to the receivers, and it's a
Speaker 1: weird group because after Hunter, like some of the top
Speaker 1: picks like Buca Luther Burden are more like slot guys.
Speaker 1: Even Matthew Golden from Texas is maybe like, okay, you
Speaker 1: can see him starting in the NFL, but it's maybe
Speaker 1: more like the dependable guy. So from the outside that
Speaker 1: these guys' profile to me is the combine is going
Speaker 1: to be very important because you worry that maybe some
Speaker 1: of them won't test as well.
Speaker 3: Like who are you looking for? You excited to see this?
Speaker 6: I want to see Ted McMillan run receiver from Arizona.
Speaker 6: I love him. I'm kind of one of these are
Speaker 6: I'm starting to ask more people.
Speaker 5: It's like, am I missing something here with him? And
Speaker 5: classic big guy?
Speaker 6: Because where people are citing separation stats without context of
Speaker 6: their quarterback situation all that that's a whole nother conversation
Speaker 6: but I want to see him run because I think
Speaker 6: if he does run, well, he'll kind of like silence
Speaker 6: a lot of people because that's the one hang up,
Speaker 6: especially as a big guy. But I love him. I
Speaker 6: think he's just like if he goes top five, I
Speaker 6: wouldn't block.
Speaker 5: I get it.
Speaker 1: There's some negative whisper campaign about him, not characters so
Speaker 1: much as just how much does he love it effort
Speaker 1: that sort of stuff, which is very diff to parse
Speaker 1: from because.
Speaker 5: I watched it.
Speaker 6: He tries to block, and he runs his routes one
Speaker 6: hundred percent, so that's like even they're getting blown out,
Speaker 6: he's like going like taking like you know, some of
Speaker 6: the routes are just like for the love of the game.
Speaker 5: He's still doing it.
Speaker 6: So like that that's why I don't I don't agree
Speaker 6: with some people that have been saying that, like I, yeah,
Speaker 6: he's one that I really liked. And then so I
Speaker 6: usually during the season will watch three games sometimes four,
Speaker 6: and then with him, watched three games, really liked him,
Speaker 6: had him a tot tim guy, and then I watched
Speaker 6: three more games the last couple of weeks.
Speaker 5: I just bet I love him.
Speaker 6: Like yeah, yeah, I think he actually on our last monk,
Speaker 6: we had the Patriots trained down and then taking him,
Speaker 6: which I'm usually an offensive line bulk first trenches first guy,
Speaker 6: but I think McMillan's that kind of a true number
Speaker 6: one upside that it's fine to take that splash.
Speaker 3: Whether it's right or wrong.
Speaker 1: I feel like the insiders like stock of tech mcmill
Speaker 1: and again Arizona wide receiver the odds on favored to
Speaker 1: be the first wide receiver taken, but it wouldn't be
Speaker 1: a shot, you know. I think crazier things have happened
Speaker 1: if he slipped. I feel like people now think maybe,
Speaker 1: at least as we're sitting here in mid February, that
Speaker 1: he could slip a little further than the mocks.
Speaker 6: That's what's kind of seeing right now. Yeah, we're thinking, yeah,
Speaker 6: I know, and that makes me feel crazy. That's what
Speaker 6: thinks is I when I a lot of myself film only,
Speaker 6: and then I this week is when I maybe started
Speaker 6: actually talking to guys. Usually senior role week is maybe
Speaker 6: start talking to teams, Hey, what about this guy? Anything
Speaker 6: like that. And that's why where I'm like, Okay, now
Speaker 6: I feel crazy. Now It's like, all right, who's who's
Speaker 6: the West Coast scout that I know, I gotta figure
Speaker 6: out exactly where I'm going on him.
Speaker 3: But too much of Patriots by the way, like.
Speaker 1: People have just been putting Will Campbell the attack and
Speaker 1: this will be a big week for him tackle.
Speaker 3: You might have short arms. It's like Rashaan Slater had short.
Speaker 5: He's built like rashot while you're actually a lot.
Speaker 1: Of people putting you know, him to the Patriots at
Speaker 1: four and I just think Mike Rabel is making that pick.
Speaker 1: And I think Mike Rabel's gonna want like a physical
Speaker 1: freak and I don't know if that's that guy. And
Speaker 1: so people it's almost like people think, oh the Patriots,
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they're fine on defense, they're fine anywhere. No,
Speaker 1: they find a quarterback, and to me, they seem more
Speaker 1: like a team that would take a Jalen Walker who's
Speaker 1: a very physical freak. It's more of an edge guy
Speaker 1: off ball or Mason gret like someone nasty like that.
Speaker 3: What are your thoughts of maybe like where they could be, Like, yeah.
Speaker 6: I had I was one that I had Will Campbell
Speaker 6: going there for I really like Campbell and even like
Speaker 6: with him, I'll just start with him first before addressing
Speaker 6: the Patriots situations, because you're right, it's like they could
Speaker 6: go Eddie Path. I'll be like, yeah, makes sense with Campbell.
Speaker 6: I I do think he's actually got a little more
Speaker 6: grit to him and actually is he's so smart and
Speaker 6: that's what's really stood out to me.
Speaker 5: Like he's a true leader.
Speaker 6: And that's why I think a team like the Patriots
Speaker 6: that needs everything, they're trying to build from ground zero,
Speaker 6: Like he's a culture builder, and so he might only
Speaker 6: end up being a good tackle if he stays out
Speaker 6: of that there. Maybe not that true ele guy, but
Speaker 6: he's more of like a tone center for everybody, and
Speaker 6: not just his physical side, but more of like how
Speaker 6: he goes about data, his makeup as the baseball baseball
Speaker 6: scouts like to.
Speaker 1: Say, last time I heard someone like make a profile
Speaker 1: of that of a number four pick, it was Cleveland
Speaker 1: Ferrell with the Raiders.
Speaker 5: Like Campbell's tape is much better. He's stern left tackle.
Speaker 1: That was the moment where everyone was like hoo, and
Speaker 1: they're like, no, he's yeah.
Speaker 5: That's right. No, that's a great point though.
Speaker 6: No, but Campbell's more in that and better athlete people
Speaker 6: give him craft for That's why I don't think the
Speaker 6: long the arm length is as worrisome maybe as with
Speaker 6: other people, because his footwork is so good and his
Speaker 6: technique so good.
Speaker 5: So now I really like him.
Speaker 6: But for it it's the context of he's my old
Speaker 6: lineman one.
Speaker 5: But he would have been like, oh, lineman four last year,
Speaker 5: you know.
Speaker 6: So it's like I would have been more comfortable taking
Speaker 6: him in the teens, like that's where his real slot
Speaker 6: should be. But because of where this draft is with
Speaker 6: the Lion, there's a lot of good lineman. There's not
Speaker 6: a lot of like those elite prospects, so that kind
Speaker 6: of makes him.
Speaker 1: Also, it seems like a draft where maybe it's not
Speaker 1: the best draft to have the fourth pick because there
Speaker 1: maybe isn't that pick of difference between the fourth and
Speaker 1: a cross pick.
Speaker 6: Want you want that, you want a teens pick, you
Speaker 6: want like an early teens pick in this row.
Speaker 1: I got sidetracked by the Patriots as I wanted to do.
Speaker 1: Let's go back to receivers too, because so Saturday, just
Speaker 1: to set it up, that's the big skill position day, quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: wide receivers, and running backs. In the time that we
Speaker 1: have left with you, I do want to hear about
Speaker 1: some of the wide receivers and the running backs, especially
Speaker 1: that you're interested in why you're you're looking at them
Speaker 1: this week specifically.
Speaker 6: Yeah, well you mentioned to Meca Buka and really like
Speaker 6: him as a dirty work guy. But the thing is
Speaker 6: Steven talking about the Patriots, they do not need another
Speaker 6: guy that's necessarily.
Speaker 3: It's just everyone.
Speaker 6: I'm just laughing because it's like, yeah, but he Abuka
Speaker 6: just he's a two. He's like a number two receiver,
Speaker 6: that is what he is. But he just does everything well,
Speaker 6: lines up inside outside, not sure how he'll test, and
Speaker 6: that's what he might be a low four to five guy,
Speaker 6: which again is splitting hairs. But again if he has
Speaker 6: a big day, that's going to really help him. Burden,
Speaker 6: I've been up and down on Luther Burn from a zoo.
Speaker 6: Some people love Luthor Burg and because he's got really
Speaker 6: good movement and like just that kind of he's bigger
Speaker 6: than I think people realize too, like he's more more thicker,
Speaker 6: more thicker. I speak English, but they with Burden, it's
Speaker 6: just that it's kind of been gadgety, kind of been
Speaker 6: only slot only always in motion, you know, to like
Speaker 6: make sure he doesn't get pressed but I've seen him
Speaker 6: beat press. It's one of those is that a can't
Speaker 6: or won't kind of thing. But I feel comfortable where
Speaker 6: I have him, especially I've seen him more as a
Speaker 6: late first rounder, maybe sneak in early second type, and
Speaker 6: I think others are kind of kind of the same way.
Speaker 5: I mean other than that, though, like do you have.
Speaker 1: Any little like mid round like te special sleepers.
Speaker 3: With the deep stuff.
Speaker 5: Xavier Estreppo from Miami. I like him.
Speaker 6: He's a slot only guy, but he'll probably be a
Speaker 6: number three, but I like him as like a third rounder.
Speaker 6: I would say, I like Will Shephard, who's not here
Speaker 6: actually from Colorado. He was the other Colorado receiver is
Speaker 6: that I don't know. He has some drops, some mistakes,
Speaker 6: but he's another just ball when type. And I would
Speaker 6: say the last one was Tory Holton from Colorado State.
Speaker 6: Battles some injuries, but I man, his twenty twenty three
Speaker 6: film is just awesome.
Speaker 5: Like one of them.
Speaker 6: I had him in my initial top fifty going into
Speaker 6: the season. He battles some stuff, injuries and stuff, but
Speaker 6: he's another one. Tory Holton is a guy I'm keep.
Speaker 1: My honest, So it's not a good wide receiver class
Speaker 1: overall in terms of like top end talent, it's an
Speaker 1: incredible running backs class overall. Obviously Ashton Genty's not working
Speaker 1: out here, but a number of other of the top
Speaker 1: fifty players from Daniel Jeremiah, Amari and Hampton from UNC
Speaker 1: he's got him all.
Speaker 3: The way up to nineteen. Big guy. I love a big,
Speaker 3: versatile guy.
Speaker 1: I mean that is that is my type, going all
Speaker 1: the way back to Ronnie Brown, who I know we
Speaker 1: share a fondness for Trevon Henderson at thirty five, the
Speaker 1: Ohio State back. His teammate Judkins Jeremiah is him at
Speaker 1: thirty seven. You know Caleb Johnson he has in the
Speaker 1: top fifty. So to me, running backs are some of
Speaker 1: the most fun watch ahead of time, certainly one of
Speaker 1: the most fun this week from.
Speaker 6: My favorite position to Evao, I really just like watching
Speaker 6: a good run. It's so fun.
Speaker 1: Who's sort of a tights player? And also this week
Speaker 1: you think it's important like at the combine.
Speaker 6: Well, Hampton all the way is a tye player, but
Speaker 6: like this stock is couldn't get any.
Speaker 5: Higher right now.
Speaker 6: He reminds me a lot like Joe Mixon, Like that
Speaker 6: would be kind of my comparison for a big guy
Speaker 6: all three downs, Like I really like Hampton a lot,
Speaker 6: Devin Neil from Cancoe.
Speaker 3: Mixon as a prot was just for the on.
Speaker 5: Just strictly on field. Yes, he was.
Speaker 1: Extremely problematic because of what he came into the league with,
Speaker 1: But I remember that class which was incredible when I
Speaker 1: studied those guys hard and thinking, man, it's McCaffrey and
Speaker 1: Mixing are kind of one A one B for the
Speaker 1: one field and just the violence of his cuts, and
Speaker 1: that's a class with Kamara and Dalvin Cook. What a
Speaker 1: fun It is funny to think back now how low
Speaker 1: the NFL was on running backs to that point, where
Speaker 1: like those guys all went in the second and third
Speaker 1: round except for mccaffe which is crazy.
Speaker 3: It was way too low.
Speaker 1: And now it's it's not all the way back to
Speaker 1: where you know Rockney Brown, but it'sn't a nice little area.
Speaker 1: It's a balance where these guys actually get value to life.
Speaker 1: Because that was crazy because those were like really great prospects.
Speaker 1: It's not like they just happen to turn out with
Speaker 1: great players college films.
Speaker 3: He went high.
Speaker 6: But yeah, I know, but it's some of the most
Speaker 6: fun film you'll ever watch of any position, but that, Yeah,
Speaker 6: I think we're getting back to where there should be
Speaker 6: properly assessed.
Speaker 3: I think not quite that class, is it or is
Speaker 3: it getting closed?
Speaker 6: I would say it's more it's no, it's not that
Speaker 6: class because it doesn't have a like genty's pretty high end,
Speaker 6: but it's more.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the round two town's kind of.
Speaker 6: Similar though, Like there's a lot of guys that could
Speaker 6: be number one with another like at two behind him,
Speaker 6: but like even going with Neil, Neil is like a
Speaker 6: round I might go round two guy with him, but
Speaker 6: he's probably just gonna just miss my top fifty or
Speaker 6: just barely beget inside of it.
Speaker 5: But another three down guy that I really like.
Speaker 6: Not going to give him the Mollelede more cop because
Speaker 6: I just hold that one very very that's a dear
Speaker 6: near and dear one to my heart. But no, but
Speaker 6: he's I just really like him. Good size, he had
Speaker 6: a good Senior Bowl week as well, but good vision
Speaker 6: and everything. So he's kind of my mid round guy
Speaker 6: that I've like, I've grown a fondness for him and
Speaker 6: Phil Anderson.
Speaker 1: Running back comp of all these guys of someone that
Speaker 1: they remind you.
Speaker 6: Of Okay, I said all it more about Ashton Genty
Speaker 6: reminds me of Ontario Smith.
Speaker 1: Okay, the Wiza, I mean, you would not have gotten
Speaker 1: taken top five, very talented, but he.
Speaker 6: Had first round grade. It was just the off field
Speaker 6: stuff that managed that my dad could take me. That
Speaker 6: was my dad's money.
Speaker 3: We'll always bring it back to the old school.
Speaker 6: Because I know, I'm I know my audience right now.
Speaker 6: I know I know you will appreciate this. It's like
Speaker 6: when I go on Bomadi Shell. He just has me
Speaker 6: on to just talk about nineteen ninety eight.
Speaker 1: Like football, I'm trying to remember Ontario Smith, like as
Speaker 1: a receiver, I don't as well.
Speaker 6: He has a touchdown against the Cowboys Week one, two
Speaker 6: thousand and three.
Speaker 5: You can see it a little bit.
Speaker 6: It runs a little angle route on there. No, but
Speaker 6: he Ontario was a huge recruit. I want to say,
Speaker 6: like a Gatoray player. The year went to Tennessee. It's
Speaker 6: kicked out Tennessee when they were pretty reckless, and at
Speaker 6: that time goes to Oregon AND's had all this character stuff.
Speaker 6: And then that was especially when when the league was
Speaker 6: so much harsh on guys that smoked weed. So like
Speaker 6: that also didn't help and then especially when you have
Speaker 6: the Wizinator. But no, anyways, that's my favorite player comparison,
Speaker 6: So do you think that is an awesome one?
Speaker 1: Like who do you think he'll have a particularly good
Speaker 1: week this week of a good running back? Just that
Speaker 1: like okay, coming out of this people maybe are a
Speaker 1: little higher on it.
Speaker 5: Could be one of the Henderson maybe. Yeah, And his
Speaker 5: tape is so he's gonna have a role in the
Speaker 5: weak for a decade.
Speaker 6: Because he's such a good pass protector and you can
Speaker 6: catch and you can take any ball to the house.
Speaker 6: So it's like he's to me, he's not that ideal one,
Speaker 6: but it's like I want him part of my backfield.
Speaker 6: But he I think he's gonna run like the wind,
Speaker 6: so he'll just kinda keep rising, rise and rising when
Speaker 6: you could just do that, wake up and do that.
Speaker 5: And that's kind of how his play is.
Speaker 1: By the way, on a Buka who he mentioned the
Speaker 1: Ohio state wide receiver slot guy couldn't have a higher
Speaker 1: recommendation from Phil Wesseling, Chris Westling's brother, who is my
Speaker 1: Ohio they whisper and he's never wrong about the Ohio
Speaker 1: state prospect. Now, granted, they all turn out good, so
Speaker 1: it's like, but there are some I kind of read
Speaker 1: between the life.
Speaker 3: Some they're higher on than others.
Speaker 1: And he just he promises even more than Smith and
Speaker 1: Jigba at the time, just as much. He's like, I
Speaker 1: promise you he is gonna have a great long career.
Speaker 6: People sleeping on him. I just I'm a sucker for
Speaker 6: that skill set. But he's like a better vere. He's God,
Speaker 6: I know. But that's why I like Jalen Polk. But
Speaker 6: it's it's that. But it's that Robert Woods tire, that
Speaker 6: Chris Godwin's here, the power slot, that he's a Z
Speaker 6: that can line up inside as well, and he just
Speaker 6: does everything well.
Speaker 3: I trust.
Speaker 1: Issues with everyone that was into Jalen Poke is it
Speaker 1: makes you a.
Speaker 5: Male better Because there's a lot of other people that like, oh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, everyone liked Jalen Poke. Everyone thought that was a
Speaker 1: great pick. I love that trade down. Don't take Lad
Speaker 1: McConkie and get Poke. What great value. Everyone liked it.
Speaker 1: So it's like, well, the thing with him is like
Speaker 1: he's like a high floor you can't miss.
Speaker 5: I love being like I.
Speaker 6: Had Poking Lad next to each other on my big board.
Speaker 6: I think I'm like thirty five thirty six thing with Ladd.
Speaker 6: He has medical concerns which already showed up, and that's
Speaker 6: why he didn't go as high as the people. Like
Speaker 6: people are forgetting that his medicals are not great.
Speaker 1: Okay man, but he' I'm not the one taking him.
Speaker 1: I loved to he led the league when he getting
Speaker 1: injured and like during the game and coming in and
Speaker 1: but in the end he played the whole season and
Speaker 1: was incredible. And so I don't want to hear about that.
Speaker 1: He's got medical He's got to get bigger and bigger.
Speaker 5: That's it.
Speaker 1: Not worried about it. That year alone was worth a
Speaker 1: high pick. I mean he was great.
Speaker 5: He was I love him.
Speaker 3: He could be a one.
Speaker 1: You're you're the one in terms of prospect evaluation and
Speaker 1: kind of putting it all together and how it's gonna
Speaker 1: fit in the NFL. I love what you guys are
Speaker 1: doing football three oh one check Nate Tice outs with
Speaker 1: Matt Harmon Charles McDonald. So three of the smartest guys
Speaker 1: in the business. Enjoy your week here in Indianapolis. He
Speaker 1: sticking around. I am getting out of here, but we
Speaker 1: will be back on a Sunday night, kind of dropping
Speaker 1: Monday morning, almost like it's the regular season again.
Speaker 3: That is when we will be back.
Speaker 1: We will be recapping all the position groups that we
Speaker 1: just previewed, so it'll it'll almost be like a week
Speaker 1: one recap, except it's the combine recaps. To look for
Speaker 1: that in your feed by Monday morning. Until then, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think if the combine drills are over, just about
Speaker 1: football is back.