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Speaker 1: Welcome in Everybody.

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Speaker 2: Friday edition of The Clay Travis en Buck Sexton Show

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Speaker 2: starts right now. One of first, just tell you our

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Speaker 2: thoughts are with all of you in Florida, Georgia, the

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Speaker 2: Carolina's dealing with the aftermath of this powerful hurricane that

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Speaker 2: has just made landfall in the last twenty four hours.

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Speaker 2: You know, my wife's family lives right in the area

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Speaker 2: of the path of the storm, actually in multiple places,

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Speaker 2: multiple family members, So thinking about them, think about all

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Speaker 2: of you. We know a lot of you, our listeners

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Speaker 2: have probably dealt with some flooding, and you know, let's

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Speaker 2: just hope that the relief efforts get the flood waters

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Speaker 2: under control everywhere. Anyway, We're thinking about you, and our

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Speaker 2: thoughts go to you right now in the areas that

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Speaker 2: have been hit. We've got a lot of news here

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Speaker 2: to discuss. You had done beating that in Yahoo at

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Speaker 2: the un with a fiery speech about what's going on

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Speaker 2: over there. We'll discuss that later on the New York

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Speaker 2: Appeals Court judge, like I said, you get ready, there's

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Speaker 2: a bunch might have to take some notes on the headlines.

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Speaker 2: Today is a lot New York Appeals Court Judge finds

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Speaker 2: the Trump four hundred and fifty four million dollars civil

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Speaker 2: fraud judgment quote troubling. Yeah, you don't say the appellate

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Speaker 2: court judge here, and I don't want to get ahead

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Speaker 2: of it, but the appellate court judge is seeing what

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Speaker 2: anybody can see, which is.

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Speaker 1: This is crazy.

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Speaker 2: This case against a case against Trump in the civil case,

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Speaker 2: not to mention some of the other ones.

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Speaker 1: Is completely insane. You've got no one losing any money,

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Speaker 1: no one.

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Speaker 2: Is upset, but you're trying to get a half a

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Speaker 2: billion dollars out of a guy because you don't like

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Speaker 2: his politics.

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Speaker 1: We can all see what's going on. Well, it's Trump.

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Speaker 2: Of course, the normal rules of reason, discourse, and law

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Speaker 2: do not apply. Biden is making a peer again, which

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Speaker 2: I find interesting, and saying things about the Second Amendment

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Speaker 2: that are untrue, and showing everybody that he is a jerk.

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Speaker 2: Even in his dementia phase, he is still a jerk.

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Speaker 2: He has never been a good person. He has never

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Speaker 2: been a kind, honorable man. He has always been a bullying,

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Speaker 2: bloated blow hard. He is not a good fellow. And

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Speaker 2: we'll talk about some of what he's saying. Theoretically, the

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Speaker 2: president right now, or at least to technically the president

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Speaker 2: right now. We'll discuss that in a little bit, but Clay,

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Speaker 2: I got to jump right into this. The Kamala campaign.

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Speaker 2: They are losing. Okay, more and more data coming out

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Speaker 2: to show that if you know how to read these numbers.

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Speaker 2: There behind, if you know how to read these numbers,

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Speaker 2: I mean early voting, early registration in a registration for

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Speaker 2: mail in ballots rather in Pennsylvania, way down for Democrats.

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Speaker 2: Very troubling signed for them there unless you think all

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Speaker 2: of a sudden Democrats.

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Speaker 1: Were like, I only want to vote on election day.

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Speaker 2: So they've got big problems in Pennsylvania based on voting

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Speaker 2: registration data and early ballot request data. So those are

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Speaker 2: those are issues that we could look at. But Clay,

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Speaker 2: Kamala Harris, I do think the border is in the background.

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Speaker 2: Here is the issue that the Democrats just that specifically,

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Speaker 2: Kamala Harris, the borders are cannot run away from.

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Speaker 1: They're going out there.

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Speaker 2: First of all, she's going to the border today, all right,

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Speaker 2: so she can finally answer the question have you been

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Speaker 2: to the border truthfully and say yes. I think she

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Speaker 2: went once before, briefly but kind of like stopped in

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Speaker 2: an area that was really quiet.

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Speaker 1: It was very perfunctory.

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Speaker 2: But Clay, this is the newest Kamala Harris campaign at

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Speaker 2: let's discuss this focused on the border and immigration.

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Speaker 1: Play cut one.

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Speaker 3: Kamala Harris has never back down from a challenge. She

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Speaker 3: put cart to members and drug traffickers behind bars, and

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Speaker 3: she will secure our border. Here's her plan. Hire thousands

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Speaker 3: more border agents, enforce the law, and step up technology

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Speaker 1: We need a leader with a real.

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Speaker 3: Plan to fix the border, and that's Kamala Harris.

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Speaker 2: Clay, couple things right. One, Nothing that she talks about

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Speaker 2: there would fix the border. Just start with that. More

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Speaker 2: border agents will not fix the border. Okay, More surveillance

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Speaker 2: will not fix the border. I also think it's interesting

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Speaker 2: though that she this is the main talking point. She

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Speaker 2: put drug traffickers in prison. Yeah, she was a state

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Speaker 2: attorney general a decade ago and people were being prosecuted

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Speaker 2: for drugs. That's actually not a border policy. That's a

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Speaker 2: something else. I'm not sure we've ever seen political ads

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Speaker 2: And this is actually just a intelligence test for all

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Speaker 2: of you out there, particularly those of you that live

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Speaker 4: Of border security. She has been in office for nearly

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Speaker 4: four years now. She has presided over as the default

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Speaker 4: borders are the least secure southern border in the history

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Speaker 4: of this country, in any of our lives, and now

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Speaker 4: she is arguing that she is committed to a strong

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Speaker 4: the level of gaslighting and lying is frankly off the charts.

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Speaker 4: Even in the context of political campaigns. We all understand

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Speaker 4: politicians lie, they stretch the truth. Republican Democrat doesn't really matter.

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Speaker 4: All of them lie to people a particularly an election

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Speaker 4: season to try to win. But even with the standard

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Speaker 4: of lying politician and place, buck, I can't think can

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Speaker 4: you think of anything that is more dishonest from a

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Speaker 4: political ad perspective than Kamala Harris, who has presided over

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Speaker 4: the worst border in any of our lives, claiming that

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Speaker 4: she's going to fix it. I can't even think of

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Speaker 4: a historical analogy. Buck In you know, the last thirty

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Speaker 4: or forty years of politics, I would actually be curious

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Speaker 4: eight hundred and two two two eight a two. Some

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Speaker 4: of you are also big students of political campaigns in

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Speaker 4: the past. I can't remember someone causing a dramatic problem

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Speaker 4: solve the dramatic problem that they created.

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Speaker 5: She is the.

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Speaker 2: Classic arsonist, posing as the firefighter as the the building

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Speaker 4: Can you even think of someone trying to pull off

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Speaker 4: something like this, I mean, I'm struggling to comprehend someone

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Speaker 2: I think it was the psychologist Festinger who came up

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Speaker 2: with cognitive dissonance. And cognitive dissonance is when you have

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Speaker 2: two contradictory beliefs in your mind at the same time,

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Speaker 2: right things that should cancel each other out. And the

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Speaker 2: Kamala campaign at the highest level is full of cognitive dissonance.

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Speaker 2: For example, Clay she was the borders are with the

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Speaker 2: worst border record that anyone has ever seen under any administration,

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Speaker 2: I mean, far worse than Obama, far worse than George W. Bush, who,

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Speaker 2: by the way, was bad on the border the Bushes

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Speaker 1: The worst border that we've ever seen.

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Speaker 2: And she's posing as somebody now who would be the

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Speaker 2: person to fix the border. This is where the dissonance

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Speaker 2: comes in, fix the border.

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Speaker 1: You have destroyed the border.

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Speaker 2: And you're telling everybody that you're the one who's going

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Speaker 2: to make things better. But by the way, this is

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Speaker 2: true on the economy as well, Clay. She's like, the

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Speaker 2: middle class has gotten crushed, and you're like, your team

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Speaker 2: has been in charge for four years. Okay, this blaming

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Speaker 2: it on, blaming it on Trump thing is insane. The

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Speaker 2: best thing she can do, or the best she can

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Speaker 2: come up with, is look at the jobs numbers in

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Speaker 2: the COVID pandemic year. It's like anyone who believes that

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Speaker 2: that's an honest assessment of the Trump economy is a moron.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's absurd.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but I'll say this, and I can't believe I'm

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Speaker 4: defending her, at least on the economy. I don't think

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Speaker 4: they were trying to tank the economy. I think they

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Speaker 4: just made a profoundly incorrect decision in throwing all that

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Speaker 4: five trillion more. They listened to the wrong advisors, But

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Speaker 4: their goal wasn't to tank the economy. The goal with

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Speaker 4: the border is exactly what occurred. They wanted to be

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Speaker 4: wide open. They want that many people to come into

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Speaker 4: the country. That is the intent of their policy. Sometimes,

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Speaker 4: believe it or not, I've been married for twenty years.

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Speaker 4: You have a decent intent, but the result isn't what

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Speaker 4: you had hoped. But your heart is in the right

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Speaker 4: place here on the border. The reason why it feels

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Speaker 4: so particularly pernicious to me, Buck and so incredibly dishonest,

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Speaker 4: is they did exactly what they intended. I don't think

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Speaker 4: they ever wanted inflation to go to nine percent. They

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Speaker 4: didn't want cost of goods to skyrocket. That was the

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Speaker 4: consequence of the choices. But they listened to the wrong advisors.

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Speaker 4: Biden and Kamala are not smart enough to have their

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Speaker 4: own real economic policy.

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Speaker 1: They got sold to bill of goods and they bought it.

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Speaker 4: On the border, they intended exactly what happened to happen,

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Speaker 4: and now they're saying, oh, we'll fix it, but their

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Speaker 4: intent is to leave it wide open.

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Speaker 2: And what really has to come forward now for people

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Speaker 2: to understand this is why the Haitian migrants the discussion

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Speaker 2: about it, not just in Springfield, but Haitian migrants who

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Speaker 2: are newly arrived all over the country under this temporary

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Speaker 1: It's you know, the.

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Speaker 2: Legality of all of this is different than a lot

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Speaker 2: abused executive authority and prosecutorial discretion to allow this to happen.

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Speaker 2: They could have used laws on the books to send

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Speaker 2: What they have done is the equivalent of if you

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Speaker 2: are the prosecutor in a city and you decide that

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Speaker 2: you're just not good enforce any laws about drugs, which

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Speaker 2: Democrats have done in other places. Now, if you're not

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Speaker 2: enforcing the law in one case against one person, that's

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Speaker 2: prosecutoral discretion. If you're just as a policy, refusing to

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Speaker 2: are engaged in nullification of immigration laws. Clay temporary protected

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Speaker 2: status is supposed to be on a case by case basis,

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Speaker 2: it's supposed to be, Oh, hey, guys, if you don't

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Speaker 2: take me in, I get sent back to my country.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to be tortured and murdered for my political beliefs,

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Speaker 2: my religion, or my ethnicity. They've taken that and said,

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Speaker 2: you know what, let's just fly three hundred thousand Haitians, Venezuelans, whatever.

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Speaker 1: Fly them into the country and let them stay here.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 2: And so when people say it's that's not legal, I

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Speaker 2: mean it's legal in the same way that a prosecutor

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Speaker 2: my point. It goes beyond the legal. They have sold

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Speaker 1: Their numbers on the border.

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Speaker 4: The other thing I'm thinking on this buck is I

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Speaker 4: watch that ad that we played. It's important for you

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Speaker 4: to understand what their game plan is. They must be

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Speaker 4: awful on the border for her to be willing to

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Speaker 4: go to the border in Arizona, and the numbers in

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Speaker 4: because this doesn't seem like an action taken out of strength.

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Speaker 4: It seems like an action taken. Hey, let's go to

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Speaker 6: Israel has made peace and will make peace again. Yet

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Speaker 5: Clay.

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Speaker 2: This is like Israel had it's nine to eleven, and

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Speaker 4: And I think we should directly connect because some of

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Speaker 2: So there's an important reality that I think is dawning

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Speaker 4: see if we get any confirmation and data. But again,

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Speaker 4: the way that the people are responding makes me feel

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Speaker 4: like this may very well have been a successful decapitation

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Speaker 4: of Hesbol's main leadership, and we will see what sort

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Speaker 4: of response is coming, if any.

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Speaker 2: Given what we've seen with the pager and radio operation.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if you're asking me right now, do I

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Speaker 2: think that got Hassan Nasralla, I think the answer is yes,

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Speaker 2: we don't know yet. We shall see, and maybe he's wounded,

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Speaker 2: maybe he wasn't killed in the strike, but this is

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Speaker 2: sending literal shockwaves through this suburb of Beirut, and you know,

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Speaker 2: there's always this sense of, oh, well, we could have

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Speaker 2: more escalation in the att least. I just think the

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Speaker 2: idea f and the Israelis, you'll notice it, like Biden

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Speaker 2: and all that they're not even Israel's just doing what

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Speaker 2: it has to do to defend itself. There's no this

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Speaker 2: oh you know, this kind of mother may I with

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Speaker 2: the US administration right now, that's not happening. And and

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Speaker 2: I think the fact that Nan Yahoo's giving a fiery

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Speaker 2: speech at the UN right around the time that a

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Speaker 2: strike like this is happening just goes to show you that,

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Speaker 2: I mean, after any people anywhere in the world who

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Speaker 2: suffered through what happened on October seventh would feel morally

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Speaker 2: justified in doing whatever it takes to secure themselves and

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Speaker 2: their people at this point. And that's where that's where

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Speaker 2: the Israelis are, and that's where we were after nine

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Speaker 2: to eleven, which is how I've thought about this all along.

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Speaker 2: That's where people could you know, there were complaints about

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Speaker 2: what are we doing in Afghanistan and other civilian casualties

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Speaker 2: and everything else. Well, we're going after the enemy. So

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Speaker 2: I will see if we get the confirmation.

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Speaker 5: This.

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Speaker 2: By the way, we've got Jack Carr joining us in

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Speaker 2: just a little bit about really in many ways the

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Speaker 2: start of Hesba law as a global terrorist entity or

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Speaker 2: it's it's it's its biggest operation in all time, which

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Speaker 2: was you know, on a global level. What got it

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Speaker 2: really a lot of attention was the bombing of the

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Speaker 2: Marine barracks, which killed around three hundred Americans two hundred

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Speaker 2: and eighty something I remember.

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Speaker 4: And if I'm not mistaken, Buck, I think one of

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Speaker 4: the attacks on Hesbola by Israel in the last week

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Speaker 4: killed a guy with seven million dollars bounty on his

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Speaker 4: head from that nineteen eighty three bombing that he had

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Speaker 4: been wanted for nearly forty some odd years.

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Speaker 2: Now Israel is settling scores. Go ahead, Yeah, Israel for sure.

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Speaker 4: And we're talking about what Netanyahu said at the UN

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Speaker 4: and also what Israel's doing to defend itself. And look,

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Speaker 4: Israel's fighting evil and they need your help, they need

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Speaker 4: your support. And one organization dedicated to supporting Israel is

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Speaker 4: the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews that's the IFCJ.

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Speaker 4: For more than forty years, the IFCJ has been on

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Speaker 4: the ground in Israel. In fact, within hours of the

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Speaker 4: attacks by Hamas soldiers last October. Every day since, the

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Speaker 4: IFCJ has been feeding the hungary and protecting the vulnerable.

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Speaker 4: We need to help them, and one solid way to

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Speaker 4: America will honor them in the days imediately leading up

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Speaker 4: to October seventh, that's the anniversary of Israel being attacked

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Speaker 4: by Hamas. Your generous donations today will not only provide

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Speaker 4: Visit SUPPORTIFCJ dot org. That SUPPORTIFCJ dot org. Sometimes all

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Speaker 4: you can do is laugh.

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Speaker 1: And they do a lot of it.

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Speaker 8: With the Sunday Hang, join Clay and Buck as they

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Speaker 8: lap it up in the Klay and Buck podcast feed.

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Speaker 7: On the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.

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Speaker 4: Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all

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Speaker 4: of you hanging out with us. We roll through the

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Speaker 4: FRAI edition of the show. If some of you were

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Speaker 4: looking for things to check out this weekend, maybe you're

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Speaker 4: not going to be like me watching a ton of

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Speaker 4: college football, including the Georgia Alabama game. Maybe you want

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Speaker 4: to balance out your football viewing with some documentary viewing.

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Speaker 4: It is a good way to spend your time. And

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Speaker 4: the movie is called Vindicating Trump and it is by

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Speaker 4: Densh Desuza. Denesh, appreciate you coming on with us. Why

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Speaker 4: don't you just make the pitch? Why should people watch this?

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Speaker 4: What will they learn? What surprised you while making this film?

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Speaker 4: If anything?

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Speaker 9: I began with the premise that Donald Trump is a

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Speaker 9: very strange figure because he is so intensely loved and

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Speaker 9: so intensely hated. There's one group of people that would

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Speaker 9: be willing to take a bullet for him, and there's

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Speaker 9: another group of people that will cheer, maybe silently cheer,

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Speaker 9: when someone tries to put.

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Speaker 10: A bullet in him.

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Speaker 9: You have to go back to Lincoln to find a

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Speaker 9: figure who is produces this kind of disparate reaction.

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Speaker 10: So how do you explain it?

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Speaker 9: What is it about Trump that causes some people to

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Speaker 9: become undyingly loyal to him and other people to hate

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Speaker 9: him with such a passion that they will stop at

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Speaker 9: nothing to get rid of him, all the way from

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Speaker 9: character assassination to political assassination to law fair which is

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Speaker 9: a kind of legal assassination, to well, now we have

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Speaker 9: two actual assassination attempts. So what we do in this film,

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Speaker 9: The centerpiece of the film is a one on one

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Speaker 9: with Trump, in which I set myself the task of

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Speaker 9: trying to bring out a certain hidden or private dimension

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Speaker 9: of his personality and character that he himself tries not

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Speaker 9: to show you. He has a kind of a manly

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Speaker 9: aversion to showing you his feelings, his vulnerability, even the

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Speaker 9: way that his inner mind works. And so I try

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Speaker 9: very hard, and I think I succeed in this film

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Speaker 9: and showing you an aspect of Donald Trump that hasn't

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Speaker 9: been widely seen.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of Denish de Suza vindicating Trump as his movie

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Speaker 2: out in theaters now in Denesh. To that end, my

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Speaker 2: understanding is Alina Haba and Laura Trump, his daughter in law,

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Speaker 2: feature pretty prominently to present some of that broader picture

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Speaker 2: of Trump. And one thing that Clay and I, from

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Speaker 2: our interactions with him professionally and denish, I can tell

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Speaker 2: you I met Trump in New York the first time.

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Speaker 2: I think I was thirteen years old. I knew his

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Speaker 2: kids a little bit growing up in the city, and

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Speaker 2: I've talked to him, you know, many times since then.

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Speaker 2: He is actually a very warm and engaging and charismatic guy,

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Speaker 2: particularly in person.

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Speaker 9: This is a key point, Buck, because you know, Trump

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Speaker 9: has certain public qualities and in fact is kind of

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Speaker 9: famous and.

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Speaker 10: Put some people off. He's very egotistical in public.

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Speaker 9: You know, his economy isn't just good, it's like the

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Speaker 9: best economy ever. His crowds aren't simply big, They're like

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Speaker 9: bigger than any crowd ever assembled in human history. So

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Speaker 9: when people listen to that, they think, well, this guy

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Speaker 9: must be totally insufferable. But not really. In private, he's

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Speaker 9: he's self deprecating. He is he pays attention to you.

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Speaker 9: Even though he seems in some senses in public to

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Speaker 9: be a kind of a bully. He never bullies people

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Speaker 9: who are beneath him. You'll never see him bully a

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Speaker 9: waiter or bully a doorman in one of his hotels.

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Speaker 9: He only bullies other eight hundred pound gorillas, and usually

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Speaker 9: ones that are trying to get them. And then the

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Speaker 9: other thing is that Trump has the supreme virtue of courage.

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Speaker 9: Any other Republican facing ninety one criminal charges would have

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Speaker 9: long well facing two criminal charges, would have long fled

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Speaker 9: from the field. Trump not only hangs in there, he

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Speaker 9: does his own legal ropodope. He ignores gag orders, somehow

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Speaker 9: he pushes forward. And then look at his spectacular reaction

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Speaker 9: to the two assassination attempts. I don't think there's a

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Speaker 9: man alive who would have responded to either assassination attempt

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Speaker 9: and the way that Trump did.

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Speaker 4: We talked about it to Nash right after it happened

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Speaker 4: that even in a Hollywood movie, the person playing president

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Speaker 4: of the United States would not have been as much

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Speaker 4: of a badass as Trump was right after that first

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Speaker 4: assassination attempt. And what you said, I think is so important.

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Speaker 4: Buck and I have been fortunate to get to know

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Speaker 4: Trump behind the scenes. I mean, we've had him on

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Speaker 4: the show a bunch seven or eight times, but we've

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Speaker 4: gotten to do that at mar A Lago. We've gotten

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Speaker 4: to do that at Bedminster, And I'll just give you

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Speaker 4: two examples. I bet that will connect with you based

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Speaker 4: on this movie, and I would encourage people to go

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Speaker 4: see it. One buck, do you remember when his granddaughter

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Speaker 4: came in at Bedminster and he wanted her to go out.

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Speaker 4: She now has committed to the University of Miami. But

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Speaker 4: he was such a no, normal, everyday grandpa. It was

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Speaker 4: just so striking to me how excited he was to

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Speaker 4: take her out golfing with him. And you would have

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Speaker 4: never known that he was the president of the United

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Speaker 4: States formerly or that he was running for president of

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Speaker 4: the United States. His full attention was on her and

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Speaker 4: wanting to know how her golf game was going, and

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Speaker 4: wanting to get out and play with her. The other one,

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Speaker 4: and we've talked about it on the show, but for

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Speaker 4: people out there who say, oh my goodness, he's Hitler, Denesh,

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Speaker 4: you talked about his ability to focus on people and

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Speaker 4: think about them. When we finished the last mar Alago interview,

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Speaker 4: both of our wives were there and our staff. He

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Speaker 4: insisted that we take milkshakes with us for the drive

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Speaker 4: back to Miami from mar A Lago because mar A

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Speaker 4: Lago had the best milkshakes on the planet and he

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Speaker 4: was afraid that we hadn't.

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Speaker 1: Had anything to eat.

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Speaker 4: I just the guy is actually really charismatic and very

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Speaker 4: likable one on one. And also I would say d

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Speaker 4: Nash and I bet you saw this with the family

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Speaker 4: as well. The kids all seemed to really adore it.

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Speaker 4: The grandkids seem to adore him. It's hard to be

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Speaker 4: an awful person if your kids and your grandkids like you.

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Speaker 9: Right, Absolutely true, And we do bring out One reason

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Speaker 9: to have Laura Trump in the program was to have

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Speaker 9: her talk about this kind of personal side of Trump,

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Speaker 9: you know, with regard to Trump being a hitler or

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Speaker 9: a dictator. And by the way, that's the kind of

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Speaker 9: poisonous rhetoric that convinces would be assassins. Of course, heyeh,

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Speaker 9: I can be a hero if I take this guy out,

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Speaker 9: you know. But the left really says that about him.

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Speaker 9: And yet what did he do that was dictatorial in

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Speaker 9: he was going to be a dictator, you think he

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Speaker 9: would have shown his dictatorial colors. How many prominent democrats

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Speaker 9: did he indict prosecute, lock up none. So there's no

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Speaker 9: dictatorial stuff coming out of Trump. Now, Trump will joke

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Speaker 9: and say things like, well, I won't be a dictator,

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Speaker 9: but maybe maybe on the first day. Now, this guy,

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Speaker 9: this is a shtick. He's a little bit of a

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Speaker 9: stand up comedian. And and for anyone to take that seriously,

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Speaker 9: there you go. He said he's going to be a dictator.

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Speaker 9: He said it himself. I mean this is called pretending

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Speaker 9: to take Trump in a completely different sense in which

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Speaker 9: he means normal words, and the dictatorial threat is coming

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Speaker 9: from the other side. I mean, if you look at

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Speaker 9: the signature features of totalitarian societies, they have mass surveillance,

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Speaker 9: they have widespread censorship, they have criminalization of political differences,

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Speaker 9: political prisoners, trying to lock up the leader of the

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Speaker 9: opposition party. Well, guess what, it's the Democrats that are

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Speaker 9: doing all of that. So they accuse Trump of being

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Speaker 9: a dictator, but I think what they really mean is

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Speaker 9: that he is the guy that they fear will foil

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Speaker 9: their dictatorial schemes.

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Speaker 2: I'll at clanbuck dot com now you can watch the

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Speaker 2: trailer for Denesh's movie Vindicating Trump and Denesh. I do

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Speaker 2: think part of what has pushed some very prominent, very wealthy,

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Speaker 2: and influential Silicon Valley folks. I think this was part

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Speaker 2: of Elon's move right as well. You know, there are

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Speaker 2: a few things but has been the lawfair against Trump

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Speaker 2: because anybody who understands how totalitarian societies work, anyone who

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Speaker 2: understands how free societies on the other side have to work,

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Speaker 2: I think, recognizes that they didn't just discover all these

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Speaker 2: crimes that Trump committed in the seventy sixth year of

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Speaker 2: for seventy six years. It's clearly lawfair, and if lawfair

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Speaker 2: is the future of this country, we actually don't have

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Speaker 2: rule of law.

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Speaker 10: This is a critical point.

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Speaker 9: I've been reading Selganied since Gulag Archipelago, and he talks

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Speaker 9: about what he calls the Vishinski doctrine, which is this

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Speaker 9: is the one that the Soviets used. Vishinsky is this

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Speaker 9: guy who basically said, listen, since we aren't present when

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Speaker 9: something happens, or crime happens, we can never be absolutely sure,

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Speaker 9: so we shouldn't try to be absolutely sure. What we

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Speaker 9: basically want to do is basically figure out we can

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Speaker 9: use some fairly elastic rules, the manipulation of bending of

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Speaker 9: laws to basically get what we want out of this trial,

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Speaker 9: out of this process. And think about it, that's exactly

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Speaker 9: what the Democrats do. They shop around for a blue jurisdiction.

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Speaker 9: They find a kind of vengeful mob of jurors who

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Speaker 9: kind of want to get Trump in the first place.

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Speaker 9: They find a sympathetic judge, so it becomes a wink

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Speaker 9: wink operation between the judge and the prosecution. So, you know,

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Speaker 9: to the naive American they might think, well, there's an

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Speaker 9: actual court.

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Speaker 10: It looks like a court.

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Speaker 9: You know, they're following the outward trappings of law. Objections

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Speaker 9: sustained and therefore it must be a legitimate process. No,

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Speaker 9: it's not a legitimate process. And anyone who's looking closely

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Speaker 9: can see that they're going after Trump for things that

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Speaker 9: they would never oh after anyone else. Of course, one

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Speaker 9: interesting question is why Trump, like why only Trump? Why

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Speaker 9: is he the very scary guy? And I think the

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Speaker 9: answer is that he is a very strong guy. This

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Speaker 9: came out in the courage that he displayed with the

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Speaker 9: assassination attempts. Other Republicans are much more weak need than Trump.

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Speaker 9: So the Democrats don't fear Romney, they don't fear Paul Ryan.

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Speaker 10: What they do fear is Trump.

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Speaker 4: Denesh I've said that the most important decision Trump would

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Speaker 4: have to make if he wins, is who he picks

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Speaker 4: his attorney general. For what you're laying out here, I'm

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Speaker 4: a lawyer. I believe you're a lawyer as well. What

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Speaker 4: has been allowed to occur with our Department of Justice

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Speaker 4: and the targeting of political adversaries has never occurred in

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Speaker 4: the history of any of our lives, and frankly, never

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Speaker 4: really in the history of the United States. How do

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Speaker 4: we get back some measure of trust in our Department

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Speaker 4: of Justice? And do you agree with me that who

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Speaker 4: Trump picks as his attorney general might well be his

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Speaker 4: most consequential pick of all when it comes to stocking

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Speaker 4: his cabinet and his administration.

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Speaker 10: I agree completely.

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Speaker 9: And my solution to it is somewhat controversial, I will admit,

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Speaker 9: And here's what it is. It is essentially the solution

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Speaker 9: of how do you tame a rogue operation a kind?

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Speaker 9: How do you tame a bully in a schoolyard? And

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Speaker 9: the answer is you can't do it unless you ambush

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Speaker 9: the bully, unless you respond in kind unless you show

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Speaker 9: the bully that bullying tactics don't pay off. You might

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Speaker 9: remember when Elon Musk banned some leftist journalists on Twitter

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Speaker 9: on x for one single day. If you watch the

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Speaker 9: reaction when that happened, Suddenly all these people who were

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Speaker 9: champions of censorship and champions of shutting down disinformation and

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Speaker 9: removing millions of accounts, they became great defenders of free speech.

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Speaker 9: I mean they were quoting the First Amendments, citing John

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Speaker 9: Stuart Mill. So the moment their free speech was threatened,

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Speaker 9: they rediscovered the value of the principle. So I think

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Speaker 9: that the to ultimately force the left to stop doing

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Speaker 9: this kind of stuff is to start doing it to them.

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Speaker 4: It's basically why we have nuclear weapons in multiple countries, right,

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Speaker 4: there has to be a deterrence and a threat factor,

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Speaker 4: or else whoever the most powerful is just keeps doing

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Speaker 9: And there are many laws, by the way, I'm not

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Speaker 9: talking about unleashing some sort of plague of lawlessness. There

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Speaker 9: are for example, in the Rico Statutes, it says that

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Speaker 9: anyone who is involved in any way in collaborating or

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Speaker 9: participating in an election fraud scheme is committing a serious felony.

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Speaker 9: Now my point is, all right, so let's take a

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Speaker 9: look at that. Generally, Republican attorneys general take a look

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Speaker 9: at that. They go, well, this hasn't really been used,

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Speaker 9: so we're not going to focus on it. Let it

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Speaker 9: be the Democrats of pulling out every opportunity from the

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Speaker 9: large Accordion Book of Federal Statutes to go after Conservatives.

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Speaker 9: But they got to realize the two can play at

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Speaker 9: this game.

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Speaker 1: No doubt.

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Speaker 4: Denes Desuza. The book is the doc documentary Vindicating Trump.

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Speaker 4: Encourage all of you to go check it out. Eight

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Speaker 4: hundred and fifty theaters nationwide, many different ways to be

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Speaker 4: consuming it.

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Speaker 1: To Nash, we appreciate the time.

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Speaker 4: Good luck with the film, if.

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Speaker 9: I could say so, guys, Vindicating Trump dot com is

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Speaker 9: sort of the one stop shop to get tickets. You

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Speaker 9: put in your city or your town and boom, the

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Speaker 9: theaters will pop right up.

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Speaker 10: See it this weekend if you can.

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Speaker 4: Awesome good idea of vindicating Trump dot com. Check it

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Speaker 1: Welcome back into Clay and Buck. We're joined by Jack Carr.

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Speaker 2: He's a former Navy seal sniper and now best selling author.

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Speaker 2: He's got his first non fiction book that has just

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Speaker 2: come out.

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Speaker 5: I've got my.

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Speaker 2: Copy here, targeted Beirut, the nineteen eighty three Marine Barracks bombing,

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Speaker 2: and the untold origin story of the War on Terror.

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Speaker 5: Jack.

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Speaker 1: Great to have you as always. I mean, I have to.

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Speaker 2: Say the timing here is pretty uncanny, considering you and

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Speaker 2: I are talking and the world is basically trying to

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Speaker 2: figure out if Hassan Nasralla is dead under a pile

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Speaker 2: of rubble and Beirut. This guy's been running Hasbola since

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Speaker 2: the early nineties. What do you make of it?

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Speaker 11: That's right, Well, I started this thing about three years

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Speaker 11: ago when I pitched Simon and Schuster on the idea

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Speaker 11: of a non fiction series looking at different terrorist events

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Speaker 11: and their effect on US foreign policy, trying to capture

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Speaker 11: those strategic operational tactics level lessons learned while also humanizing

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Speaker 11: these events for future generations, so that senior level leaders

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Speaker 11: know their impacts to the decisions they make thousands of

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Speaker 11: miles away from the battlefield in air conditioned offices.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, I just got.

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Speaker 11: Off a plane from a stop on book two and

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Speaker 11: saw that Nostralla has been farently targeted in Beyrout. And

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Speaker 11: the only thing that surprises me about that is why

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Speaker 11: it is taken so long. His predecessor was killed back

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Speaker 11: in nineteen ninety two, and he took over back then

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Speaker 11: and is the secretary General of Hesbele, And I just

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Speaker 11: surprised that Israel has let him live this long, especially

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Speaker 11: with the capabilities that they've had for decades now. And

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Speaker 11: we saw, of course the pager and the walkie hockey,

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Speaker 11: the capabilities to hit people with those, and I'm just

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Speaker 11: surprised he's he's still breathing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it would no you fall up, buck, because no,

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Speaker 4: I was gonna say, I mean, this is bringing this

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Speaker 4: in some ways full circle.

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Speaker 2: I mean, hes bela your book, your book out today,

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Speaker 2: Targeted Bay Root, is about what was really the greatest

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Speaker 2: loss of life terrorist attack for America before nine to eleven.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the bombing of the Marine barracks sent a

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Speaker 2: shockwave through the entirety of the westernainly America and the

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Speaker 2: armed forces back in eighty three, and it was a

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Speaker 2: hesbal operation in many ways, the beginning of the war

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Speaker 2: on terror.

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Speaker 5: That's right.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, two hundred and twenty marines, eighteen sailors, three soldiers

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Speaker 11: killed that day. There were others killed between an embassy

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Speaker 11: bombing which happened in April nineteen eighty three, multiple people

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Speaker 11: killed throughout that summer fall until October twenty third. And

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Speaker 11: what it did, though, is it taught Iran that terrorism works,

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Speaker 11: and it worked by using proxies. And really Iran set

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Speaker 11: the rules for the war on terror back then, and

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Speaker 11: it's the model and the paradigm that we've been essentially

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Speaker 11: adhering to ever since. So it's important to note that

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Speaker 11: Iran set these rules all the way back then. And

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Speaker 11: it was the largest non nuclear explosion on record at

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Speaker 11: that time in history.

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Speaker 4: And it is heartbreaking, obviously, Jack, you obviously have to

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Speaker 4: rip many of your stories from the headlines the Terminal

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Speaker 4: List best selling book series. When you saw that Israe

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Speaker 4: had managed to explode pagers, walkie talkies, among other things

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Speaker 4: of Hesbola, did you think to yourself, Man, that's a

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Speaker 4: heck of a plot point to even be contemplating that

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Speaker 4: they would have that kind of intelligence capabilities. And how

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Speaker 4: much given what's going on right now with Iran and

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Speaker 4: all the craziness going on in the world, for you

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Speaker 4: trying to think up different storylines. Does part of you say, man,

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Speaker 4: you know what the truth is stranger than any fiction

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Speaker 4: I could almost come up with.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, for the past eight years, that had certainly come

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Speaker 11: to be true. If you'd written some of this stuff

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Speaker 11: back before twenty sixteen, people would have put you in

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Speaker 11: the science fiction category. Wouldn't have believed that you couldn't

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Speaker 11: have carried all your readers along with a lot of

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Speaker 11: the things that have happened both in domestic politics here

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Speaker 11: in the United States and around the world. But this

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Speaker 11: pager operation follow on a sack through another communication device,

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Speaker 11: absolutely remarkable, will be studied for decades, probably centuries to.

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Speaker 5: Come, and really highlights just the.

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Speaker 11: Reach of the intelligence services, if it is them of

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Speaker 11: course they have not cleaned responsibility for it. But it's

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Speaker 11: what we call an upstream disruption, meaning you're messing with

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Speaker 11: something before it gets into the hands of the enemy.

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Speaker 11: And in this case, it either means that they got

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Speaker 11: into these things somehow somewhere in the ply chain disrupted

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Speaker 11: as supply chain, or years and years and years ago

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Speaker 11: they created some sort of a company that would allow

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Speaker 11: them to do this and choose the time and the

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Speaker 11: place to detonate. So absolutely remarkable. And of course they

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Speaker 11: end back in nineteen ninety six, back when you carried

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Speaker 11: it around a very large cell phone, and when it broke,

879
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Speaker 11: you took it into a place to get repaired, and

880
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Speaker 11: they took.

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Speaker 5: Out a Hamas bomber and it was the engineer.

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Speaker 11: It took him out nineteen ninety six, gave him a colleague, put.

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Speaker 5: That to his ear and took his head off. Jack.

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Speaker 2: There's going to be a lot of analysis and thinking

885
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Speaker 2: over the weekend on what comes next, if whether Nosraala

886
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Speaker 2: is dead or not. I think the confirmation that they

887
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Speaker 2: were going for him. Venessrala is effectively a head of

888
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Speaker 2: state in Lebanon, meaning he runs the country, whether they

889
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Speaker 2: you know, whatever. His title may be he's the most

890
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Speaker 2: powerful figure in that country and has been for some time. Now,

891
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Speaker 2: do you see this as likely spiraling into something bigger?

892
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Speaker 2: I mean, this is always the concern we talk about

893
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Speaker 2: this particular conflict in the Middle East involving all of

894
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Speaker 2: the enemies of Israel. Or do you think that Israel

895
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Speaker 2: is essentially letting its enemies know, whatever you think you're

896
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Speaker 2: going to do, we will make it so that the

897
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Speaker 2: cost is so high not.

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Speaker 1: Worth it for you.

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Speaker 11: That's the real question, especially when it comes to a

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Speaker 11: model that was already in place, particularly with hostages, in

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Speaker 11: that Israel would trade quite a few over one thousand

902
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Speaker 11: prisoners that they had for one Israeli soldier, and that

903
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Speaker 11: happened back in twenty eleven that released Sinwar, who of

904
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Speaker 11: course is the head of Hamas in Gaza, along with

905
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Speaker 11: over a thousand other terrorists. So that's the real, real question,

906
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Speaker 11: the ethical and moral side of it versus the logical

907
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Speaker 11: side of it. To reset these rules, reset some of

908
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Speaker 11: these paradigms that the enemy ran through has Blood through

909
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Speaker 11: Hamas through other proxies have been playing by since the

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Speaker 11: early eighties. But it's definitely signals a shift in that

911
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Speaker 11: there was as horrible as it is to say an

912
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Speaker 11: acceptable level of violence on both sides, meaning if a

913
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Speaker 11: certain number of Israelis were killed, a certain number of

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Speaker 11: people in Godzo, West Bank or in Lebanon were killed,

915
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Speaker 11: there was a there was an acceptable level that wouldn't

916
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Speaker 11: necessitate an invasion by either side or an escalation of

917
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Speaker 11: the conflict.

918
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Speaker 5: Into the larger regional war.

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Speaker 11: And I think that has shifted, and Israel sent that

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Speaker 11: message with pagers, with the walkie talkies. There's another operation

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Speaker 11: that happened almost three weeks ago, but they conducted a

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Speaker 11: special Operations mission into Syria. I think they killed eighteen people,

923
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Speaker 11: dozens wounded. They were hitting a scientific research center in Syria,

924
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Speaker 11: captured two to four I don't have exact reporting, but

925
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Speaker 11: two to Fourians were captured from that site and they

926
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Speaker 11: tried to vomit from the air as also a precision

927
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Speaker 11: gathered munitions factory, but they couldn't get deep enough with

928
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Speaker 11: the bombs missiles to do damage to the actual facility undergrounds,

929
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Speaker 11: though special Operations forces go in blow it up from

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Speaker 11: the inside. But what was interesting about this is that

931
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Speaker 11: they used drones as a blocking force, where we would

932
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Speaker 11: use rangers to block any reactionary forces coming in from

933
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Speaker 11: the outside. They used drones to do that in a

934
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Speaker 11: highly successful special operations mission. So with all of these

935
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Speaker 11: things and now targeting the Israala the other attacks that

936
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Speaker 11: they that they set in motion into Lebanon over the

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Speaker 11: past few days, I think they're signaling a shift in

938
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Speaker 11: what was once an acceptable level of violence to both sides.

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Speaker 4: Breaking news by the way, British nationals in Lebanon should

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Speaker 4: leave now, you should take the next available flight. We're

941
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Speaker 4: working to increase capacity and secure seats for British nationals

942
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Speaker 4: to leave. That is the government of England telling everybody

943
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Speaker 4: in that country to get out. That is a sign

944
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Speaker 4: that things are going to get really rough.

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Speaker 1: Jack.

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Speaker 4: I'm curious this is your first nonfiction book. You've had

947
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Speaker 4: incredible success writing fiction, and again the book is targeted

948
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Speaker 4: Beirut nineteen eighty three Marine barracks bombing, the untold origin

949
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Speaker 4: story of the War on Terror. How was it different

950
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Speaker 4: to write fiction versus nonfiction? Which did you prefer? Did

951
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:29,919
Speaker 4: they feel different to you? Did you have to work

952
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Speaker 4: different muscles to tell this story compared to the stories

953
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Speaker 4: that you've told before.

954
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Speaker 11: You definitely feel a heavy Yer weight with this meaning

955
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:39,759
Speaker 11: in the fiction in the thriller is the.

956
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Speaker 5: James Rees series.

957
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Speaker 11: If I get something wrong, because I do read a

958
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Speaker 11: lot of history into those thrillers. But if I get

959
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Speaker 11: something wrong, I can just say, hey, it's fiction.

960
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Speaker 5: You don't have that luxury. You can't do that. It

961
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Speaker 5: has to be right.

962
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Speaker 11: There are people still alive who responded to this bombing.

963
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Speaker 5: We're digging their.

964
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Speaker 11: Buddies out of that rubble with their bare hand, kbar, knives,

965
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Speaker 11: shovel maybe for if they could find one. There are

966
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Speaker 11: people that dug themselves up out of that rubble that day.

967
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Speaker 11: There are family members who've had an empty seat at

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Speaker 11: the dinner table ever since October twenty third of nineteen

969
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Speaker 11: eighty three. I talked to as many of them as

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Speaker 11: I possibly could, over a thousand letters that people had

971
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Speaker 11: sent home, audio tapes that they'd sent home recordings of

972
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Speaker 11: their voice. So you could really get to know these

973
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Speaker 11: people who are on the ground there to humanize this.

974
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Speaker 11: So you owe it to them to be as thoughtful

975
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Speaker 11: as respectful you possibly can, and to really get it

976
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Speaker 11: right you have to. There is no leeway. So I'd

977
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Speaker 11: say there is a lot more, a lot more weight

978
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Speaker 11: on your shoulders when you're doing the nonfiction side of

979
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Speaker 11: the house than when you're doing the fiction side of

980
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Speaker 11: the house. Just out of respect for those who lived

981
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Speaker 11: through this bombing and those.

982
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Speaker 5: Who did not.

983
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Speaker 4: Well, Jack, we appreciate the time your books the Terminal

984
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Speaker 4: List have been amazing that entire series, and we encourage

985
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Speaker 4: people to check out this first nonfiction book, targeted Bay Route,

986
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Speaker 4: the eighty three story of that tech and the origin

987
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Speaker 4: of the War on Terror. Look forward to seeing you

988
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Speaker 4: again in person. We appreciate you spending the time with us,

989
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Speaker 4: and I know our listeners really appreciate the books you're writing.

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Speaker 7: Well.

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Speaker 5: Thanks so much for having me on this.

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Speaker 11: This ended up being a lot more timely than I

993
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Speaker 11: suspected three years ago, unfortunately, but it's out there and

994
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Speaker 11: I was humbling to tell these stories and be trusted

995
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Speaker 2: Thank you so much. Jack, Always appreciate you being with us.

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