Speaker 1: Okay, guys, here are my dates for the High and
Speaker 1: Mighty Tour. In August, you can find me in Red Bank,
Speaker 1: New Jersey, Montclair, New Jersey, and Calgary that's Canada. And
Speaker 1: September I will be in Santa Barbara, San Diego, New
Speaker 1: York City, Philly, and New Haven, Connecticut. October is Atlanta, Baltimore, Saginaw, Michigan, Pittsburgh, Toronto, Boise,
Speaker 1: Idaho and Spokane. And then in November I'll be in
Speaker 1: San Francisco. I'm coming to Salt Lake City, Austin, Houston,
Speaker 1: Dallas Babies, I'll be there. And then in December I
Speaker 1: am closing out my tour in Denver and Vancouver. So
Speaker 1: get your tickets at Chelseahandler dot com for the High
Speaker 1: and Mighty Tour. Hello Catherine, Hi, Chelsea.
Speaker 2: Are you fluent in Spanish yet?
Speaker 1: I am doing pretty well. I mean, my driver in
Speaker 1: New York's named Rafa and he speaks Spanish and he
Speaker 1: cannot believe how much I've improved in two weeks.
Speaker 2: Oh fantastic.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he didn't know I went to school in Spain,
Speaker 1: so I told him in Spanish and he was like,
Speaker 1: and then he started and then He's like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be able to correct you anymore. And
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, don't worry, You'll find a fucking way
Speaker 1: and then of course within it. But yeah, he was
Speaker 1: really impressed. And also a couple of people I work
Speaker 1: with where I was talking Spanish with, so I definitely
Speaker 1: understand a lot more and I know a lot more.
Speaker 1: I'm not fluent, but I am definitely way better than
Speaker 1: I was when I out there. So that's exciting.
Speaker 3: I notice you've been improving with your like low and
Speaker 3: lot like the I think it's the possessive stuff.
Speaker 2: I mean, you're crushing it.
Speaker 1: I just I loved my time alone. It felt like
Speaker 1: I was a mother away from her children, even though
Speaker 1: I don't have children. I just walked to school every
Speaker 1: day by myself with my little rucksack. And then I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't have a rucksack, but I just wanted to
Speaker 1: throw that out there. And then I already had like
Speaker 1: a group of doctors. By day three, I was getting
Speaker 1: a massage and then I was like, oh, I need
Speaker 1: to get this kind of dry needling they had this.
Speaker 1: Madrid is such a beautiful city. So many of my
Speaker 1: friends were coming through Madrid unbeknownst to me, so that
Speaker 1: was a surprise. I'd go to school for three hours,
Speaker 1: my teacher only, my professora only spoke Spanish, and then
Speaker 1: after that I would take myself to some ridiculously delightful lunch,
Speaker 1: have like two glasses of wine, and then I'd walk
Speaker 1: through the streets of Madrid. It was heaven on earth.
Speaker 3: How lovely You're just like, fill your life with whimsy's.
Speaker 1: I just loved it. I just was so happy. Everyone
Speaker 1: at the hotel was like they kept testing me on
Speaker 1: my Spanish day three, day four, and I was like
Speaker 1: Eloise at the plaza. I just was like, I was
Speaker 1: just so happy. I love I just belong in a hotel.
Speaker 4: Aha.
Speaker 3: I agree with that. How did your blind date go?
Speaker 3: By the way, did that materialize?
Speaker 1: I don't think I went on a blind date.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 1: I was set up with people like friends, not like
Speaker 1: in a romantic matter.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 1: I didn't even think about men. Honestly. There was one
Speaker 1: guy that was trying to hit on me once. I
Speaker 1: was in the bar at my restaurant and I was like,
Speaker 1: is this guy hitting and he was. I mean, he's
Speaker 1: to have been twenty years old and he was like seriously
Speaker 1: trying to stray, and I was like, I was like,
Speaker 1: at one point I wanted to go. I meant to say,
Speaker 1: like not signor but whatever the other word for it
Speaker 1: is in Spanish, but I couldn't think of what it was.
Speaker 1: I was about to call him like boy, and then
Speaker 1: I'm like, don't call him boy. That's not right either.
Speaker 1: But I wanted to be like, I could be your mother.
Speaker 1: Get away from me. I'm not interested in that. I
Speaker 1: like young boys, I mean not, I like young men.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't like young boys, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Like, it's got to be something like in
Speaker 1: the appropriate ag urge. Not interested anyway. I'm home now,
Speaker 1: I'm in New York City and we have a great
Speaker 1: episode today. You know this actress, she was adorable from
Speaker 1: Glass Onions, Stranger Things, and her hit series which is
Speaker 1: now in its final season, Outer Banks. Please welcome Madeline Kleine.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, we have Madeline Klein here today. Hi, Cutie, ptuity,
Speaker 1: fresh and fruity. What were you talking about? You're talking
Speaker 1: about snowboarding?
Speaker 2: Yeah so, I so we were talking about how wake
Speaker 2: poarding makes you feel like you can absolutely snowboard because
Speaker 2: it's kind of the same thing.
Speaker 1: Yes, I understand this. Yes, I had a very easy
Speaker 1: time wagsurfing the very first time I did it. I
Speaker 1: think I got up on the first time I did too.
Speaker 1: Have you been water skiing? No, okay, that's much more hard.
Speaker 1: That's much more.
Speaker 2: Difficult, especially when they do it on like the one ski.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't do that.
Speaker 2: That's insane.
Speaker 1: I can't water ski period. And I can snow ski
Speaker 1: really well, but I can't water ski.
Speaker 2: I just know I would wipe out and like break
Speaker 2: every bone in my face.
Speaker 1: It feels like if one of your legs goes in
Speaker 1: the wrong direction, all your dog breaks. Oh you're great,
Speaker 1: and it does, it does. It's not pretty where you
Speaker 1: wipe out.
Speaker 2: No, So I went snowbarning for my birthday in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty one, I think.
Speaker 1: And I like the way you said twenty one twenty one.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 2: It's Christian. I'm trying to enunciate more because a lot
Speaker 2: of times I just so, I've been on I've been
Speaker 2: on like red carpet interviews, and I go back and
Speaker 2: I rewatch it and I'm like, I sound so drunk,
Speaker 2: and then I'll like, look at the comments and they're like, oh,
Speaker 2: our girls gone, and I'm like, I really wasn't maybe
Speaker 2: had a glass or two before that gone.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I'll record a stand up set that I'm doing
Speaker 1: and I always have a drink before I go on stage, obviously,
Speaker 1: and I yeah, of course, and I then I look
Speaker 1: and then I'll watch it and think and like I'll
Speaker 1: be like, oh, clip that for socials to my social team,
Speaker 1: and then they'll send it to me and I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh my, I'm like, look for this area when I'm
Speaker 1: talking about this, and I'm like, my god. But there's
Speaker 1: just like an as soon as yeah, because if I
Speaker 1: don't have a drink, I talk too fast, I talk
Speaker 1: like this, I have to take it down.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if I don't, if I don't have a drink
Speaker 2: or beta blocker bone.
Speaker 1: Right or beta blacker, I take beta blackers as well.
Speaker 2: I get so scared and so anxious and I'm like
Speaker 2: and then I'm like what I'm saying is so stupid.
Speaker 2: And then I just to.
Speaker 3: Be fair, some of those questions are stupid.
Speaker 2: Like.
Speaker 1: Who are you wearing? That's the stupid question.
Speaker 2: I know. I hate that.
Speaker 1: It's like why do also have to talk about that?
Speaker 2: Who cares.
Speaker 1: I mean, well, I mean some people, the designer does care,
Speaker 1: so that's for their but like sometimes it's just not
Speaker 1: I don't know, it doesn't always feel like an appropriate question.
Speaker 2: No, because it's like the designer obviously does care, but
Speaker 2: like for the majority of the people watching, I don't
Speaker 2: think it's really like the most.
Speaker 1: Most important thing. And also when we post it, you
Speaker 1: give credit to who you're wearing. Anyway, it's just a
Speaker 1: silly conversation to have.
Speaker 2: I agree, it's like also a really weird opener.
Speaker 1: And then you're away. It's my wedding, obviously I'm wearing
Speaker 1: You're away. I've been married multiple times, oh my god,
Speaker 1: yeah seven seven. I've never been married. Oh and I
Speaker 1: will never be married.
Speaker 2: I think that's chic. I know.
Speaker 1: I think it would be cute to get engaged, yeah,
Speaker 1: and just stay engaged and keep having engagement parties.
Speaker 2: I'm just like, just give me the fucking ring.
Speaker 1: But do you need the ring from some man? I mean,
Speaker 1: can't you buy your own ring?
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I don't really feel like paying for it.
Speaker 1: If he will, right, okay, I copy you know what
Speaker 1: I mean.
Speaker 2: Then I can go some of my money like another ring.
Speaker 1: You've never been married. You're too young to be married.
Speaker 2: I've never been old for you.
Speaker 1: Twenty eight, twenty eight, okay, that's not too young.
Speaker 2: To the other day, so well, someone asked me my age,
Speaker 2: and I was like, twenty six or twenty seven. Wait,
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Did you forget or you just oh, you did.
Speaker 2: Genuinely forgot, And I'm not even I'm neither twenty six
Speaker 2: nor my twenty seven. I'm actually twenty eighty eight. But
Speaker 2: I actually forgot, and I had to go and do
Speaker 2: the math because I just did you.
Speaker 1: Do the math? You went and I came. You went
Speaker 1: back to the you were born and counted back.
Speaker 2: Seven eight and I went one hundred. I just genuinely
Speaker 2: stopped caring. I think about which birthday it was after
Speaker 2: twenty five, twenty fifth.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well you'll care again at thirty, and then thirty
Speaker 1: five and then forty.
Speaker 2: I'm excited about thirty.
Speaker 1: It's gonna get better and better and better, so you
Speaker 1: have nothing to worry about. Life gets better as a woman.
Speaker 1: The more experience you have being a woman, the better
Speaker 1: it gets.
Speaker 2: Like the closer I get to thirty is I can
Speaker 2: feel my court is all dropping. It's awesome. I'm like, okay, great,
Speaker 2: I'm getting less stressed.
Speaker 1: That's a good I'm mad for something.
Speaker 2: Making it for a day to block. I really I
Speaker 2: really need to, Like I need to invent something. I
Speaker 2: need to invent a brand. Maybe I can do something.
Speaker 2: Maybe that's my ad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's a good tagline for whatever your ad is.
Speaker 1: The closer I get to thirty, I can feel the
Speaker 1: cord is all dropping.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'm like, well, then I wonder how thirties
Speaker 2: are gonna I'm gonna have zero cord is all at all.
Speaker 3: That's the thing like, as you age, you kind of
Speaker 3: like care less about what other people think.
Speaker 2: You become more of yourself and I think they're awesome.
Speaker 3: You have to take an active role in that a
Speaker 3: little bit too, But I think it also just happens
Speaker 3: as you age.
Speaker 1: So are you a millennial or No, You're not a millennial,
Speaker 1: You're gen Z.
Speaker 2: I'm like a millennial gen Z cuss cusp. Yeah, so
Speaker 2: but I feel like I am technically gen Z. But
Speaker 2: I feel like sometimes I do millennial things like the
Speaker 2: millennial pause that everyone like flames millennials for doing, like
Speaker 2: like when you go on Cameo and you get a
Speaker 2: cameo from like Jax Taylor, and he's like, you can
Speaker 2: tell he like.
Speaker 1: Not that you've done that.
Speaker 2: No, I have it, but I've seen someone else's and
Speaker 2: and he like is recording and it's like literally three
Speaker 2: seconds where he's just waiting for it to start. Oh,
Speaker 2: I have I have done that. It's embarrassing. I did
Speaker 2: get a cameo from Boston rob.
Speaker 1: I've never gotten a cameo for someone. Yeah, but people
Speaker 1: seem to like that as a gift.
Speaker 2: It's it's really funny. I think as a gag gift.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, not as a serious gift, no, like an
Speaker 1: ironic yeah, because usually the people who are giving you're
Speaker 1: providing the cameos, are you know.
Speaker 2: They're it's the Jacks Taylor's of the world.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean no, it's that's not gonna sound good. However,
Speaker 1: I try to clean up, so never mind, I'll just
Speaker 1: step right go rotten hail. Anyway, sign up for cameo.
Speaker 1: Everybody get a cameo, get a cameo account, or maybe.
Speaker 2: Maybe we could do a one for someone together, you
Speaker 2: and me.
Speaker 1: I would love to do they can.
Speaker 2: Do one for Boston Rott.
Speaker 1: Wish we should create the next level of cameos cameo
Speaker 1: plus for more legitimate.
Speaker 2: People, it's like Ryan for cameo cameo exactly.
Speaker 1: What is your biggest dating deal breaker?
Speaker 2: I feel like sometimes when you're in a relationship with someone,
Speaker 2: especially when it's new, I'm like, I'm always like I
Speaker 2: feel like I'm being pranked because there's like you hit
Speaker 2: like a certain month mark and all of a sudden
Speaker 2: they start being mean or.
Speaker 1: They start being real. Yeah, right, you start to see
Speaker 1: them like they're real. Do you think that month mark
Speaker 1: is how many?
Speaker 2: I feel like it's like it's always been kind of
Speaker 2: like three for me. Yeah, if I even make it
Speaker 2: that far, like because I feel like I'm always away
Speaker 2: like on right working, so I feel like it usually
Speaker 2: expedites that process.
Speaker 1: Yes, well, I feel like it's kind of similarly. I
Speaker 1: also date like a lot of long distance people, so
Speaker 1: it takes longer to get to that three month mark.
Speaker 1: So it usually happens around the five or six month mark. True,
Speaker 1: where you start to see more than you saw in
Speaker 1: the beginning, totally, where it's not all sunshine and roses. Yes,
Speaker 1: What is something that somebody would have to do to
Speaker 1: ike you out in a dating scenario.
Speaker 2: The problem is, like I get the eggs so easily.
Speaker 2: Me too. I'm like, what's the littlest thing you've gotten
Speaker 2: a neck from? I like like mouth breathing, like closeure mouth.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't like when it's somebody a man, says
Speaker 1: they're going to go take care of something and then
Speaker 1: they come back empty handed.
Speaker 2: I don't like that either.
Speaker 1: Like even if it's just like if we're out of
Speaker 1: function and then we can't find the bar and I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: you need to go get us the drinks. Yeah that's where,
Speaker 1: and they're like I couldn't get it, and it's like, no,
Speaker 1: that's not an option.
Speaker 2: Use your brain.
Speaker 1: You have to can't come back empty handed. It doesn't
Speaker 1: have to be only alcohol focused either. I just want
Speaker 1: to make this clear. I don't know, it has to
Speaker 1: be task focused. If you're getting me something, yeah, get
Speaker 1: the job done and don't come back until you've got
Speaker 1: it done, because like I would never if you needed
Speaker 1: something and I said I was gonna get it, I
Speaker 1: would come back with it.
Speaker 2: Or just like okay, so this maybe wasn't like a
Speaker 2: relationship thing. But like on the same note, it's like
Speaker 2: when people don't like use like their brain or common
Speaker 2: sense to like solve a problem.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: Like I was on a trip one time and the
Speaker 2: person I was on the trip with like, we were
Speaker 2: our like our tickets to like this one, our tickets
Speaker 2: are the QR code was not scanning, and then like
Speaker 2: they just stood there and I was like, go go
Speaker 2: to the ticket like wait, go talk to someone, and
Speaker 2: they were like, I just don't know what to do.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, so I had to sprint to the offices,
Speaker 2: like try to express what was going on. The boat
Speaker 2: was about to leave, and it was just like it's
Speaker 2: just I don't like feeling like I have to do everything.
Speaker 1: I think women in general are feeling this place. We
Speaker 1: are exhausted.
Speaker 2: I'm exhausted by.
Speaker 1: Being so efficient. Yes, what I get done in the
Speaker 1: first two hours of my day would rival what any
Speaker 1: man I've ever dated gets done in.
Speaker 2: Productive like yeah, so like and I mean.
Speaker 1: Efficient though yeah, not only productive efficient multitasking. Okay, there's
Speaker 1: eighteen emails. I'll get them all taken care of before
Speaker 1: I get going, and so like when when you like,
Speaker 1: I once stated a guy who didn't answer emails, he
Speaker 1: didn't look at emails and I was like, what do
Speaker 1: you mean you to look at emails. You're a professional.
Speaker 1: He's like, I only operate through texts.
Speaker 2: I respond better to texts. I actually, no, I take
Speaker 2: it back. I'm really bad at text I'm phone call like,
Speaker 2: like pick up the phone.
Speaker 1: I'm curious about people who are bad a texting because
Speaker 1: that is like the most immediate like way to communicate.
Speaker 1: And it's on your.
Speaker 2: Phone, right, yeah, it's and it's coming up on my phone.
Speaker 2: And the thing is, I am so like there's so
Speaker 2: many things happening at one time that like I see
Speaker 2: it and I'm like, okay, I'm going to respond to that,
Speaker 2: so I don't open it. And then by the end
Speaker 2: of that, by the time I have like a chance
Speaker 2: or remember to look, there's like ten more I see
Speaker 2: and I get so overwhelmed. Okay, and so I end
Speaker 2: up usually like calling.
Speaker 1: But you just said you don't like phone calls. No,
Speaker 1: I do, Oh you do like phone calls.
Speaker 2: I prefer because I feel like that is I don't know,
Speaker 2: my thumbs get tired. I like that a phone call
Speaker 2: like to respond to a text.
Speaker 1: I think that is nice. I mean, you can't ever
Speaker 1: get mad at a phone call. Unless you're me and
Speaker 1: you do get mad at phone calls, but I've actually
Speaker 1: more tapped a phone calls. Yeah, I don't like a
Speaker 1: surprise face time, Like I don't like, but I need
Speaker 1: you to like preliminarily discuss that with me or give
Speaker 1: me a heads up, like I'm going to face and
Speaker 1: the people who FaceTime me are whackad's Like I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm not just answering a random FaceTime but I've grown
Speaker 1: like I've kind of gotten more okay with FaceTime. I
Speaker 1: don't like the act of sitting there and holding a
Speaker 1: phone for that one. You know, that's the right. So
Speaker 1: like when you're talking the phone, you can put an
Speaker 1: AirPod in and walk through the airport, Like I'm not
Speaker 1: going to walk through the airport.
Speaker 3: On a face efficiency, Yeah exactly.
Speaker 1: I want to be on the phone and also doing
Speaker 1: me doing other things.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's fair. I understand that. I just feel like
Speaker 2: I always feel like I'm able to convey information much more,
Speaker 2: much clear, much more clearly if it is me just
Speaker 2: my stream in my stream of consciousness, like okay, and
Speaker 2: oh in this thought, in that thought, and I feel
Speaker 2: like sometimes over email or text I can't quite.
Speaker 1: Do that as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I understand.
Speaker 1: Do you have like a group of girlfriends or are
Speaker 1: you like a best friend kind of girl? Like?
Speaker 2: What's your I have a group, so it's I wouldn't
Speaker 2: say it's like a girl group, but I guess it's
Speaker 2: just a bunch of people.
Speaker 1: Have you ever had a really bad friendship breakup? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I've had a couple.
Speaker 1: Really Yeah, And how do you handle that?
Speaker 2: It's really gnarly.
Speaker 1: It's gnarly for anyone. I was. I say this, I
Speaker 1: was at dinner with a girlfriend last night and we
Speaker 1: were talking about it. We had the same breakup with
Speaker 1: the same girlfriend, and we didn't know, and so she
Speaker 1: and so then we went to dinner when we found
Speaker 1: out that's good and we just sat there.
Speaker 2: And lie so much. Was it like for the same reason?
Speaker 1: Yes, So that was like very because it was like
Speaker 1: we both it was both unveiled that the same person
Speaker 1: did the same thing. And I already knew that because
Speaker 1: I've been around this town. I know a lot of
Speaker 1: the same we know, and but it was very It
Speaker 1: felt like we were little girls in a sense, because
Speaker 1: you know, I'm a charger than you obviously, and you
Speaker 1: kind of want to get out of the habit of
Speaker 1: like gossip, but it didn't feel like gossip. It felt
Speaker 1: like therapy. I felt being seen and validated, Like, oh,
Speaker 1: I was exactly right in what I deduced, but it
Speaker 1: took me so much longer than it took her to
Speaker 1: figure out what was going on.
Speaker 2: Right. Also, like, it's not gossip if you're just spreading awareness.
Speaker 1: That's a great line too, that's for your other brand.
Speaker 1: It's not gossip if you're spreading awareness. My driver the
Speaker 1: other day said to me, it's not gossip, because I
Speaker 1: said the same thing about this conversation to him. I go,
Speaker 1: it was like he said, it's not gossip if it's information.
Speaker 1: That's a thing you know, Actually, because there is a way,
Speaker 1: there is a way where you can get with your friends,
Speaker 1: whether they're your guy friends, girlfriends, whatever, where it can
Speaker 1: be nasty and you're talking about someone.
Speaker 2: It can be malicious. Yes, that is that to me,
Speaker 2: like is toxic and bad, bad.
Speaker 1: And a bad habit to get into on the regular.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Like there's no reason to say nasty things about
Speaker 2: people if there is something that needs to be conveyed
Speaker 2: then and if you're just telling the truth then like
Speaker 2: if they get mad at it, then they shouldn't have
Speaker 2: done it. Mm hmm, but I lost your.
Speaker 1: Train of thought.
Speaker 2: I did.
Speaker 1: Well. Luckily we're on the phone and not texting, so
Speaker 1: I can pick up the conversation for you. But I
Speaker 1: do I think that's a good way to exp because
Speaker 1: there is a way to do something meanly, and then
Speaker 1: there is a way to just send somebody a warning
Speaker 1: like hey, just so you know, I know that person,
Speaker 1: and this is how that goes. And sometimes people are
Speaker 1: on the exact same page as you and you could.
Speaker 2: Just know they are, yeah, and you know that they're
Speaker 2: also not saying anything in it like to paint anyone
Speaker 2: in a bad light.
Speaker 1: So when you do have like a friendship breakup or
Speaker 1: any like experience that you've had, how do you handle
Speaker 1: that situation?
Speaker 2: Honestly, I feel like sometimes they are worse, if not
Speaker 2: the for me, they I think both times were worse
Speaker 2: than an actual breakup, Like, yeah, that is the worst
Speaker 2: thing ever, and.
Speaker 1: Because it's you know why, because it's like there's a
Speaker 1: sisterhood and that betrayal is more unexpected than that betrayal
Speaker 1: from a.
Speaker 2: Guy totally, and with friendship breakups, I don't know. I
Speaker 2: think I just like have to fully, like completely remove myself.
Speaker 1: But do you do you let the person know like
Speaker 1: this relationship is over, or do you ghost them.
Speaker 2: I've not ghosted in this in this particular instance with
Speaker 2: a friendship breakup, but like I also, it's happened two times.
Speaker 2: The first time was something I fucked up and I
Speaker 2: did something bad, and I spoke to her and I
Speaker 2: was like, I'm really sorry and I did something really
Speaker 2: bad and if you can't forgive me, I would. I
Speaker 2: totally appreciate it, but I also understand if you won't,
Speaker 2: and I'm sorry. And the other time it happened where
Speaker 2: it was done to me and I have it's like
Speaker 2: it's not ghosting, but I'm trying to figure out how
Speaker 2: to have like the conversation I see right, you know,
Speaker 2: because it's like it's just as painful.
Speaker 1: Well, I think that's something you learn too. You get
Speaker 1: better at as your age. I think you get better
Speaker 1: at like break breakups all all across the board because
Speaker 1: you you just realize that's kind of part of life,
Speaker 1: and your expectations not fade as you get older, but
Speaker 1: your expectations just aren't where they are when you're like
Speaker 1: idealizing things like when you meet a guy when you're
Speaker 1: in your twenties, it's a different expectation and romanticizing of
Speaker 1: a relationship than it is if you're meet you meet
Speaker 1: someone at my age, like you're like, oh, that'll be
Speaker 1: a fun fling for a few months, or like, oh
Speaker 1: this guy will be fun. Let's see what he's got.
Speaker 1: You know, there's like an adventurous spirit, but it's not
Speaker 1: like I'm tying myself to the end result of it. Sure,
Speaker 1: So congratulations for this is season five of Outer Banks?
Speaker 2: Where done?
Speaker 1: And how does that make you feel?
Speaker 2: I'm really really proud of of everyone, and I mean,
Speaker 2: it's crazy that we had a show that went for
Speaker 2: five seasons, because that's impressive. And I'm also I'm happy,
Speaker 2: you know, it's it's time to close the book, and
Speaker 2: I think it's bittersweet, but I think and I but
Speaker 2: I think everybody knows and everybody is like appreciative of
Speaker 2: how and when we've decided to cut it off. We've
Speaker 2: told all the story and they made me pregnant, you know,
Speaker 2: that's when it show's done.
Speaker 1: I like the idea they made you pregnant. I like
Speaker 1: that sentence they made like a group of men did
Speaker 1: it problematical? Yeah, that would be problematical, which.
Speaker 2: Definitely was not my favorite character development.
Speaker 1: It wasn't you weren't happy about that?
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 2: I was like, it was like, I don't want to
Speaker 2: wear the belt, Like I don't want to wear those
Speaker 2: heavy like in the South Carolina summer where like the
Speaker 2: heat index gets like one hundred and ten.
Speaker 1: Yeah. When I was watching that show, I was just
Speaker 1: thinking to myself in my sinister, well cynical way. It's
Speaker 1: a cynical way. I was like, and tell me if
Speaker 1: this is true, because I've never felt film to anything
Speaker 1: in that climate, but to be on an island seems
Speaker 1: like a nice idea, but the filming aspect is probably
Speaker 1: not that nice. Being in the sun all fucking day long.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is it. I mean when we were in Barbados,
Speaker 2: it was like, I don't know, it was both at
Speaker 2: the same It was so beautiful and so I mean
Speaker 2: a lot of our locations are stunning.
Speaker 1: And so windy. Sometimes we have.
Speaker 2: To re record sound for all of those. Oh.
Speaker 1: I was thinking there was so much wind in some
Speaker 1: of the scenes that I'm like, how can they even
Speaker 1: hear each other on the set?
Speaker 2: Eventually I have to stop down for I know, especially
Speaker 2: when we're having like a really like intense scene in
Speaker 2: conversation and like maybe my my psychotic brother comes into
Speaker 2: the scene and then everyone it's like yelling at each
Speaker 2: other and then like I don't know, Dad's dying and
Speaker 2: it's just like your hair's in your face. It's like
Speaker 2: it feels it starts to feel very like Scooby Doo
Speaker 2: as like it becomes a little like silly. It's like, okay,
Speaker 2: like what what else.
Speaker 1: I like the way that you handle people's responses to
Speaker 1: your growing over the course of five years or five seasons,
Speaker 1: like your body, your face, the way you look, And
Speaker 1: I liked your response to that. It's like, yeah, because
Speaker 1: I'm getting older and like things have changed.
Speaker 2: Experiences different.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm eating different things. I have been through breakups.
Speaker 1: I've been through all of those things. Like you have
Speaker 1: changed as a person over the course of five years.
Speaker 1: Of course you're going to start to look different after
Speaker 1: five years.
Speaker 2: Totally, or like you go through breakups, or like you
Speaker 2: find like comfort and food or like I don't know, right,
Speaker 2: like we're always changing, Yeah, like drinking sometimes or like
Speaker 2: unhealthy habits, or you're not going to the gym or
Speaker 2: I don't know, you're on your period. Like it's just
Speaker 2: but it's always like insane, like people's to me, people's
Speaker 2: fascination with especially women's bodies, and like I mean, thanks, what,
Speaker 2: but like so shut the fuck up. Have you like
Speaker 2: major peace with that?
Speaker 3: Like how like being the subject of sort of this
Speaker 3: endless online fascination.
Speaker 2: I've made my peace with it. I've also like I
Speaker 2: also just accept that, you know, my body, like my
Speaker 2: body reflects what whatever is going on with me, and
Speaker 2: so I understand that sometimes it's going to change. And
Speaker 2: and it's also like carried me through everything that I've
Speaker 2: been through, and I'm like healthy and alive because of it.
Speaker 2: So I also, you know, like if people can make
Speaker 2: comments about it, I.
Speaker 1: Don't care, Like yeah, I mean, I mean just in
Speaker 1: like being even like say we just take this podcast
Speaker 1: like there I will see comments as like oh my god,
Speaker 1: look at all her plastic surgery. And I'm like, first
Speaker 1: of all, I was hung over that day, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like, like my face can be literally
Speaker 1: like twice the size that it is. Some days I
Speaker 1: have cheekbones, some days I don't.
Speaker 2: My face was the first place it shows I.
Speaker 1: Mean, it's like, are you I'm a woman, I have
Speaker 1: completely different every single day. Like it's the lighting, it's
Speaker 1: what you like when you eat, Like I mean, for
Speaker 1: two episodes, I looked orange and I'm like, why am
Speaker 1: I so orange?
Speaker 2: And then we realized that.
Speaker 1: Coming down literally the curtains that are orange and are
Speaker 1: refracting off of me or I'm refracting off. But it's
Speaker 1: so ridiculous that you don't understand that people look like
Speaker 1: I mean, when I was on when I had a
Speaker 1: talk show, it was every single day and I could
Speaker 1: look vastly different day to day, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I don't think people quite understand that all of the
Speaker 1: stuff is not reflective also of how you look in
Speaker 1: real life, like all of the camera stuff adds stuff.
Speaker 2: And also the camera like the way it magnified like
Speaker 2: any and everything it possibly can. And that's how like
Speaker 2: when we were shooting seven years of Outer Banks and
Speaker 2: been through so much, but like from season to season,
Speaker 2: I look so different and it's reflective of like what
Speaker 2: I was going through and like and that's okay, but
Speaker 2: people would make comments about it, and at first it
Speaker 2: bummed me out, but I'm like, yeah, you know, but
Speaker 2: also they're making us like we were. We would have
Speaker 2: to wear like crazy like faked tans, and then they
Speaker 2: you know, lots of like makeup and silicon belly and
Speaker 2: also like I wasn't an automatic to wear mascara, and
Speaker 2: there was no there was nothing. They didn't want anything
Speaker 2: to make us look like no concealer. They didn't want
Speaker 2: any any like pretty makeup because why they wanted us
Speaker 2: to look supernatural and sweaty and dirty and so like.
Speaker 2: So automatically it's like, well they're they're not setting us
Speaker 2: up for success for people to make nice comments about them.
Speaker 2: We were already at a disadvantage.
Speaker 3: I have always wondered this when you're out in the
Speaker 3: sun all day and you're on set, like what is
Speaker 3: the sunblock situation? Are there people slathering you? Like how
Speaker 3: is that working?
Speaker 2: I mean there's spray obviously, like the spray sunscreen was
Speaker 2: king because and then we would put like a foundation on,
Speaker 2: but it was so hot we would just sweat it off. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so just re spraying. But also the bug situation was
Speaker 2: so bad. So when we were laying our splearing ourselves
Speaker 2: with spray sunscreen and deep and we all its sound
Speaker 2: so bad.
Speaker 1: I know that deep stuff smells so bad. It's like
Speaker 1: I think I would rather be fried by the sun. Well,
Speaker 1: I don't know the bugs. I'm trying to think which
Speaker 1: which element is more annoying because the bugs are so annoying.
Speaker 2: There's so bad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but then the sun can kill you. The bugs
Speaker 1: can't really kill you. I mean they could carry I
Speaker 1: don't know.
Speaker 2: The bugs in South Carolina are kind kind of like
Speaker 2: you're kind of meddle as fuck.
Speaker 1: I was like, is that a phrase? I don't know about?
Speaker 1: Middle So, you've dated a lot of people. You've dated
Speaker 1: a DJ, you've dated an actor, you've dated a musician,
Speaker 1: if you dated a comedian, sure, yeah, So is there
Speaker 1: anyone that you would never date again, any type of
Speaker 1: career that you would never date again? Or is there
Speaker 1: a career choice out there of somebody you wouldn't date, Like,
Speaker 1: would you date a finance guy?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't think I would.
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't think I could.
Speaker 1: Unless they were bringing like huge amounts of cash.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, okay, actually maybe yeah maybe. So I wouldn't
Speaker 2: say like never again to any of them. But I
Speaker 2: do think, you know, after a while, I was like
Speaker 2: maybe like maybe this industry is a little gnarly for dating. Sure,
Speaker 2: like maybe I should look elsewhere, so I you know,
Speaker 2: maybe that lends itself to a finance guy, but or.
Speaker 1: Just somebody that's not in the business. The reason why
Speaker 1: we everyone in the business dates other people in the
Speaker 1: business is obviously because of proximity. Like those are the
Speaker 1: people you meet, and those are the people you're around
Speaker 1: the most. That's why I feel like it's so important
Speaker 1: to have a real life, you know, like outside of work,
Speaker 1: so that you can meet real people and normal people.
Speaker 1: But then it's really hard for those normal people to
Speaker 1: kind of assimilate to the lifestyle because the lifestyle is
Speaker 1: not like movable or manageable. It's like refra shoot dates
Speaker 1: like those are non negotiable. You don't know how long
Speaker 1: you're going to work each day, and there's no room.
Speaker 2: For like that's the thing. It is, Like I have
Speaker 2: also dated people who weren't in the industry in an
Speaker 2: effort to fix that problem. But that was the problem,
Speaker 2: or fix the problem of dating. And then yeah, and
Speaker 2: then and then I got annoyed because I felt like
Speaker 2: I was having to explain everything. I'm like, this is
Speaker 2: just my job and also this is my life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I had a similar situation where I recorded a podcast.
Speaker 1: This is a guy I dated a couple of years ago.
Speaker 1: I recorded a podcast. It was before I had met him,
Speaker 1: and I was just talking about how great it is
Speaker 1: to be single. And they held the podcast for a
Speaker 1: couple of months, and then the podcast came out after
Speaker 1: he and I had gone public, and he couldn't wrap
Speaker 1: his head around the fact that I had recorded a
Speaker 1: podcast it was old, and he's like, why would you
Speaker 1: talk about the guys? And I was like, because that's
Speaker 1: what I was doing before I met you. And he
Speaker 1: couldn't wrap his head around the fact that the podcast
Speaker 1: had been recorded months ago and they just released it
Speaker 1: like he thought it was live.
Speaker 2: So that also happened to me one time where I
Speaker 2: like made comments before like you know, we had you know,
Speaker 2: become official official, and then in the timing of the
Speaker 2: release of those comments was really bad, like really gnarly
Speaker 2: for him. But I like, I explained, I explained everything,
Speaker 2: but you know, just it still felt like he was
Speaker 2: still just not happy, and I'm like, I don't I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: Are you someone that looks too like do you think
Speaker 1: about yourself in the future. Do you think about being married,
Speaker 1: Do you think about having children? Is that something you
Speaker 1: care about?
Speaker 2: I do. I think it's you know, I think they're
Speaker 2: all fun things to think about. But the idea of
Speaker 2: childbirth really terrifies me. Really, Yeah, because I was only like,
Speaker 2: only last year did I learn like really gnarly details
Speaker 2: about childbirth.
Speaker 1: Yeah, childbirth seems like something that the less you know
Speaker 1: about it going in better.
Speaker 2: Well, there's a girl on TikTok who has a list.
Speaker 2: So when women go on to TikTok and tell their
Speaker 2: birthing stories and she gets really specific, it cuts to
Speaker 2: this girl writing down a list and there's like three
Speaker 2: hundred reasons she has so far of why not she
Speaker 2: does not want to have a baby. So I like
Speaker 2: to think about all these things. But, like we were
Speaker 2: saying earlier, I mean, I'm just like marriage, sure, but
Speaker 2: just give me the right.
Speaker 1: Yeah you said that now twice that you want the
Speaker 1: ring so hopefully because it's sparkly. Yeah, I get it,
Speaker 1: I get it. I understand people want rings and jewelry.
Speaker 1: Girls like jewelry, love jewelry. Do you still I heard
Speaker 1: something when I was doing my research on you that
Speaker 1: you felt like you had imposter syndrome in this business,
Speaker 1: which I hear all the time from everyone, which I've
Speaker 1: also felt. Do you feel that way still?
Speaker 2: I do. I feel like I'm getting a lot more
Speaker 2: comfortable in my skin, but I do still feel like.
Speaker 2: I just went and shot a movie with jud Appatite,
Speaker 2: and it was it was the best time I have
Speaker 2: truly ever had.
Speaker 1: Shooting, and that's nice.
Speaker 2: It was really fun. But it's the first time I've
Speaker 2: legitimately done comedy, and I've always wanted to, but I
Speaker 2: was just once it was once we were in prep
Speaker 2: and once you know, we were getting scripts, I it's like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, I don't know. I don't I don't know.
Speaker 2: Maybe I'm not funny, Like just like I don't, I
Speaker 2: don't think I'm maybe are they sure they've got the
Speaker 2: right girl? And then you know, also I was playing
Speaker 2: a singer and then so there with that also came
Speaker 2: a lot of movement and vocal training, which was very cool.
Speaker 2: But I was so afraid that on the day I
Speaker 2: was going to walk on and just like be a fraud. Right,
Speaker 2: So yes, I still get it badly. But then but
Speaker 2: then like once, once we started getting into our flow
Speaker 2: state then it went away.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean the singing part is scary too.
Speaker 1: I have to see it because are you a natural singer?
Speaker 2: You know? Eric petrou Had did some like miracle work
Speaker 2: ye on me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you can get almost anybody to be
Speaker 1: able to like at least hold a tune, which is
Speaker 1: what I carry. So I can't even refer.
Speaker 2: I think I feel like I've said that too, hold
Speaker 2: a tune. Are we both wrong?
Speaker 1: I think, But I mean it's the same idea. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it doesn't really matter semantics.
Speaker 3: Is there anything that you're like, you know, talking about
Speaker 3: trying comedy for the first time. Is there anything that
Speaker 3: you are you want to do in the future but
Speaker 3: you are scared to do.
Speaker 2: I think I think comedy was really scared of because
Speaker 2: it's hard. It's not like, yeah, you can't just make
Speaker 2: something funny like you. It either is or it isn't.
Speaker 2: And it's also I think in like a comedy movie,
Speaker 2: like all four wheels have to be hitting the ground,
Speaker 2: everyone has to be like kind of throwing their fastball.
Speaker 2: And so that was really scary. But I would love
Speaker 2: to do more. We had the best time. I would
Speaker 2: love to do action. We do a lot of action
Speaker 2: on outer banks. I think that's fun.
Speaker 1: And how do you like about that?
Speaker 2: Because it kind of makes me feel a little badass.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So I think it'd be really fun to do more.
Speaker 2: And I think comedy is also really closely related to horror,
Speaker 2: and like camp camp horror, which I think is really sick.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what did you grow up watching?
Speaker 2: I grew so Actually I wasn't allowed to watch horror
Speaker 2: growing up. But the very first horror movie I did see,
Speaker 2: which is actually a comedy, were the scary movies?
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, those are hard to miss. Yeah, there's another
Speaker 1: one that just came out.
Speaker 2: Yes, and then and then I think, like, oh, and
Speaker 2: then the first real horror movie I watched I think
Speaker 2: was Insidious too.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I saw that.
Speaker 4: I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm not into horror as much.
Speaker 2: Yeah, have you done any horror? I did? I know
Speaker 2: what you did last summer that was like slasher?
Speaker 1: What's the difference between slasher and horror?
Speaker 2: Like slasher slasher horrorse like like there's this there's a
Speaker 2: deranged serial killer on the loose who's gonna get you,
Speaker 2: And it's probably like your ex boyfriend's uncle for some reason,
Speaker 2: and he was like.
Speaker 1: You know, it's very heightened, even more than horror, Like yeah,
Speaker 1: like right, like horror is gonna like really scary you,
Speaker 1: whereas like Slasher is like a rump with scary themes.
Speaker 2: Yes, and that's that's what we did, which was really fun.
Speaker 2: I enjoyed that very much. My favorite thing too, it
Speaker 2: is like when you're when we were making a horror
Speaker 2: movie and like something in the take would go wrong
Speaker 2: or the timing would go off, it would immediately turn
Speaker 2: it into Scooby Doo and like really funny, like where
Speaker 2: you know you're running. They're running down the hallways and
Speaker 2: they miss each other and it's it was really funny
Speaker 2: because I'm like, oh wait, this could so easily become hilarious.
Speaker 2: It just which I guess is what they like do
Speaker 2: in a scary movie.
Speaker 1: But what about lying? Are you good at lying?
Speaker 2: What a terrible liar? You are a terrible liar.
Speaker 1: It's an actor, You're a bad liar?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Is it acting?
Speaker 1: Just lying?
Speaker 2: But the thing is like when I'm when I'm lying,
Speaker 2: I don't believe myself. And when I'm acting, I'm like
Speaker 2: I have to have to believe what's coming out of
Speaker 2: my mouth, or I just will start over.
Speaker 1: How did you discover that you were bad at lying?
Speaker 2: I think it was pretty early on. I specifically remember
Speaker 2: my mom one time asking me if I had done
Speaker 2: my reading for the day, like my twenty minute reading
Speaker 2: for school, and she was like, when did you finish?
Speaker 2: And I was like this. I was also really young too.
Speaker 2: I wasn't this stupid, but I said, at three seventy two.
Speaker 1: That is stupid. That's funny. I'm like, i feel like
Speaker 1: I was a good liar, but I'm sure I probably wasn't.
Speaker 1: I don't like to lie, just because my lies would
Speaker 1: turn into these volcanic eruptions, like I wouldn't just tell
Speaker 1: a lie, I would like double mouth the lie, and
Speaker 1: then they were like three other people involved, and like
Speaker 1: the things that people could easily check, and then just
Speaker 1: like basically implicate other people, like I would basically implicate
Speaker 1: people that weren't involved in it at all. So you're
Speaker 1: basically dragging everyone down with you. And my friends would
Speaker 1: be like, why didn't you just say like you're not
Speaker 1: in the mood, you know, like why do you involve
Speaker 1: everyone else? Why are you involving so many people in
Speaker 1: your lives, Like why are they so multi levels?
Speaker 2: Go to dinner because my best friend's dog died.
Speaker 1: And then yeah, I was once trying to get a
Speaker 1: rid of a guy. We were in Barcelona and I
Speaker 1: was on a date and I was trying to I mean,
Speaker 1: this guy flew to Barcelona to meet me, right, I
Speaker 1: had a bunch of friends there. We were there, and
Speaker 1: then as soon as I saw him, I was like,
Speaker 1: oh no, no, this is not going to happen. And
Speaker 1: then I made up a friend. I made up a
Speaker 1: fake character, I made up a wedding, I made up
Speaker 1: I It was right after that Vicki Christina Barcelona movie
Speaker 1: came out, so I kept calling her Vicki Christina my cousin,
Speaker 1: and I was like, she's getting married in Barcelona and
Speaker 1: we actually have to go buy her some wedding shoes
Speaker 1: right now?
Speaker 2: Is crazy.
Speaker 1: And my friend was watching me and was like you
Speaker 1: were And we ended up running into them at the
Speaker 1: hotel when we were supposed to be at the wedding.
Speaker 1: This guy came out and flew out with his friend.
Speaker 1: We thought when we said it was a wrap and
Speaker 1: I was going to the wedding, that he would go
Speaker 1: back to London where he came from. But he came
Speaker 1: back and stayed there and we got caught red handed.
Speaker 1: And as I saw him, I just I was like,
Speaker 1: don't no matter what. And they're like, Chelsea, shut up,
Speaker 1: like you are caught red handed because saying no matter what,
Speaker 1: we are still going to the wedding. Just keep this story. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I can't. So I don't lie just because I mean,
Speaker 1: because you're I do sometimes, but I do. I when
Speaker 1: I when I think about lying, I'm just like, just
Speaker 1: it's just so much easier to tell the truth totally.
Speaker 1: Don't implicate other people and just say the truth.
Speaker 2: I know. But that's the thing is, like I I
Speaker 2: also do the I I just tell the truth. I
Speaker 2: am such a confessionalist that sometimes I give people too
Speaker 2: much information and then it actually does throw people under
Speaker 2: the book.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you. That's what I do out of
Speaker 1: doing that or or stunt in my careerd cbd.
Speaker 3: I actually have a listener question that's all about how
Speaker 3: to lose a guy.
Speaker 2: So maybe we just transition. Oh okay, you ready for
Speaker 2: some advice question?
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's do it.
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, this one's just an email, but Meg says
Speaker 3: dear Chelsea. I'm a thirty two year old female. I
Speaker 3: recently escaped a five year relationship, and I find myself
Speaker 3: getting into pickles with men I'm not interested in.
Speaker 1: Pickles? Is an interesting This.
Speaker 3: Is interesting specifically men I'm acquaintances with and see on
Speaker 3: a regular basis work neighbors. When they ask to spend
Speaker 3: time with me, I regrettably agree on the spot because
Speaker 3: I'm not sure how to reject them politely. I then
Speaker 3: struggle to either reject them later or I avoid them.
Speaker 1: Like the plague.
Speaker 3: You know, I don't owe them anything, but the fact
Speaker 3: that there are people that I will continue to see
Speaker 3: on a regular basis and the desire not to make
Speaker 3: anyone feel bad it makes it hard to say no.
Speaker 3: I need a blueprint on how to handle these situations
Speaker 3: on the spot, because they usually happen when I'm not
Speaker 3: expecting it and when I've got my friendly coworker or
Speaker 3: neighbor mask on.
Speaker 1: Thanks Meg, Wow, So these are people that she's gonna
Speaker 1: see again.
Speaker 3: I want to hang out like a coworker, it's a neighbor,
Speaker 3: it's a somebody you see regularly.
Speaker 1: Oh. Because I have a good answer for people, you'll
Speaker 1: never see again. You can just you're having a terrible outbreak.
Speaker 1: That usually ends the conversation right away. But I think
Speaker 1: what's a good way to shut someone down if you're
Speaker 1: not interested in a nice way? Because I do think
Speaker 1: it's important to not leave people hanging and holding off
Speaker 1: for hope. So I mean, and if you're saying you
Speaker 1: have a you can't lie and say you already have
Speaker 1: a boyfriend or a girlfriend. They're gonna if you're gonna
Speaker 1: if these are recurring characters. But you can say I
Speaker 1: just actually started seeing someone, and then that could fall apart.
Speaker 1: It's new, Yeah, it's new, And then that way it
Speaker 1: doesn't have to come to fruition, right good. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think that's a decent way. Another thing you can
Speaker 1: do is just say I'm so sorry, but I'm totally
Speaker 1: not even looking at you in that way or feeling
Speaker 1: anything in that way, so I don't even want to
Speaker 1: I mean, I know that's a little it sounds hard
Speaker 1: to say, but there's a succinct way to say that,
Speaker 1: to say, like, I really want to keep it perfect.
Speaker 1: Especially if you work with them, you can always use
Speaker 1: that as an excuse to be like, I really don't
Speaker 1: want to mix work with pleasure. I've had a bad
Speaker 1: experience in the past totally, or you could say I yeah,
Speaker 1: you could say that, and then the only problem with
Speaker 1: that is if you start dating a different co work,
Speaker 1: but at that who gives a ship? But I'm a
Speaker 1: fan of telling people letting people down at night, like
Speaker 1: like I'm just saying being because so many people ghost,
Speaker 1: so many people, yes, and I think that's kind of
Speaker 1: really fucked up. It fucks with people's psyches, right, Like
Speaker 1: you have to just be really direct and say I'm
Speaker 1: not feeling.
Speaker 2: It or I'm not seeing it.
Speaker 1: I don't want to see anybody, right, I'm in something
Speaker 1: slightly and I want to see where this goes, you know,
Speaker 1: like that's a nicer, softer land like that. What do
Speaker 1: you tell somebody when you're not interested?
Speaker 2: See, here's the problem? Like, sometimes I let it go
Speaker 2: too far?
Speaker 1: Did I used to do that too?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think every woman doesn't because.
Speaker 2: I don't want. I hate letting, like I hate hurting
Speaker 2: people's feelings. And then I'm like, what was I thinking?
Speaker 2: But whatever? And so then I usually call and I'm
Speaker 2: like and I just tell them I just but sometimes.
Speaker 1: Say what what do you say?
Speaker 2: Sometimes they ask like why right, and then I'm a
Speaker 2: confessionalist and I'll tell them, but then that ends up hurting.
Speaker 1: Their feelings, like what what what have you said to
Speaker 1: someone who's whose feelings have been hurt in that in
Speaker 1: that kind of situation.
Speaker 2: You eat all my food and you didn't pay for anything.
Speaker 1: You like, I want my ring like that, I'm out
Speaker 1: here looking for a ring everybody.
Speaker 2: I just don't think it's gonna work out. Yeah, And
Speaker 2: I think we should not speak anymore.
Speaker 1: I love that men don't think that they have to
Speaker 1: pay for things, Like what's that about? I think they're confusing.
Speaker 1: They're confusing like chivalry with misogyny almost like.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, I don't have to make
Speaker 2: an effort.
Speaker 1: Like everyone's getting everything confused. It's like, well, why do
Speaker 1: we have to pay for things? You guys want to
Speaker 1: be treated equally. It's like, that's not the reason, that's
Speaker 1: not that doesn't have anything.
Speaker 2: To do like that, you didn't say anything. I'm like,
Speaker 2: I'm I'm literally use your brain.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just like and also it's like a polite thing
Speaker 1: to do if I were to take a woman out
Speaker 1: to dinner or ask a woman to dinner if I
Speaker 1: would pay, like just if it's a friend situation, it's
Speaker 1: like whoever asks you pay, And dating historically and traditionally
Speaker 1: is just like a nice way for a man to be,
Speaker 1: like I'm going to take you out for on a day, show.
Speaker 2: Them a nice time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally, Yeah it's nice. Meg. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Meg.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we have live callers. Are you ready for that?
Speaker 2: So exciting? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I hope you've been to therapy so you can give
Speaker 1: some because that's what we do here.
Speaker 2: Yes, all right.
Speaker 3: Lennee has a very tricky question, so she says, dear Chelsea,
Speaker 3: please help me know what to say so I don't
Speaker 3: feel like a ball busting asshole to my husband. I'm
Speaker 3: married to a wonderful, thoughtful, and caring man who only
Speaker 3: wants me to feel fulfilled and happy. I know some
Speaker 3: men would think I'm impossible to live with, but this
Speaker 3: man has never said a negative word about my hatred
Speaker 3: for football and video games.
Speaker 2: I know that.
Speaker 3: I know that he participates much less in both of
Speaker 3: these interests because of a clear boundary I set when
Speaker 3: we were dating. Lately, even our choice of what we
Speaker 3: watch on television together isn't vibing I'm interested in documentaries,
Speaker 3: and my husband finds these to be mostly depressing. He
Speaker 3: prefers something lighthearted, but I cannot watch another rerun.
Speaker 2: Of Friends or the Office.
Speaker 3: My husband thinks he's found the solution for us, but
Speaker 3: I don't have the heart to tell him that this
Speaker 3: solution is triggering to me. He thinks I love watching
Speaker 3: food eating challenges with him on YouTube. Beard meets Food
Speaker 3: seems to be his favorite. He'll wait for me so
Speaker 3: we can watch new episodes together, and he.
Speaker 2: Travel a lot for work.
Speaker 3: He sees it as our new show and gets excited
Speaker 3: to watch it together. The thing is, I have struggled
Speaker 3: with bolimia since I was twelve. He knows this, but
Speaker 3: we haven't discussed it in years. I'm now forty, and
Speaker 3: it's been getting harder harder not to binge and purge
Speaker 3: when my husband isn't around.
Speaker 2: This show triggers me. Oh my god.
Speaker 3: When I'm watching, I'll be dreaming of the moment I
Speaker 3: get to be alone again to binge and purge, and
Speaker 3: I hate that feeling. I feel like if I tell
Speaker 3: my husband, it will be yet another thing that I
Speaker 3: hate and he enjoys. How do I have this conversation
Speaker 3: without him feeling like I'm micromanaging his interests. Am I
Speaker 3: just doomed to sit through sitcomer runs for hopefully the
Speaker 3: next forty years with the love of my life, Lenae.
Speaker 1: Hi Line, Hi, Hi, Hi. This is our special guest,
Speaker 1: Madeline Klein.
Speaker 2: Hi. Nice to meet you.
Speaker 1: Hello.
Speaker 2: Maybe you guys can watch Outer Banks?
Speaker 1: Yeah, watching Outer Banks together?
Speaker 2: We haven't.
Speaker 1: I haven't tried that show.
Speaker 2: It's a fun it's a fun romp.
Speaker 1: I think that you have to be really honest with
Speaker 1: your husband because now you're in a precarious situation with
Speaker 1: a history of an eating disorder that is triggering. Like
Speaker 1: that is completely valid information. And listen, here's the thing.
Speaker 1: You guys don't have to watch TV together. You just
Speaker 1: don't like. It's not like a fundamental necessity. It's great
Speaker 1: if you can find something or a series that you
Speaker 1: guys are gonna like together, but it's not absolutely necessary.
Speaker 1: You can do other things together. Why don't you go
Speaker 1: for a walk? Like I know that sounds like the blah,
Speaker 1: but actually lots of people do that and it's a
Speaker 1: way to connect without any distraction. Because I don't really
Speaker 1: feel like necessarily watching TV with people is the biggest connection.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of like a lazy connection. That's true.
Speaker 5: We've been talking a lot. We own a lot of
Speaker 5: book I have quite a book collection. We've been to
Speaker 5: about needing to read more together. Yeah, but when we've tried,
Speaker 5: it's just the dead silence in the house and so
Speaker 5: we're talking about all music in the background while we read.
Speaker 5: We just haven't quite found the groove of that yet.
Speaker 1: You know, Okay, with reading, I can help you with this.
Speaker 1: With reading, you have to set the tone. You have
Speaker 1: to get into the groove, and you have to force yourself.
Speaker 1: You can put on some jazz, put on some class
Speaker 1: so it's not distracting. Obviously, you know you're not gonna
Speaker 1: be listening to hip hop and reading. So like, just
Speaker 1: put on some background music and literally sit there with
Speaker 1: your partner. You don't even have to read the same book. No,
Speaker 1: you can just both read fifty pages of a book
Speaker 1: and sit down and discuss it after. Or you can
Speaker 1: read fifty pages. I mean you can read fifty pages
Speaker 1: of the same book. Or you can read and you
Speaker 1: can start small, start with twenty five pages. Anyone could
Speaker 1: read twenty five pages of a book and just set
Speaker 1: a new pattern, like of something that you guys can
Speaker 1: do together. And you know, if you're not really agreeing
Speaker 1: on shows to watch, I don't know that you're going
Speaker 1: to be having the same interest in books necessarily. So
Speaker 1: I think you can be open to like reading two
Speaker 1: different things and then just talking about it, like telling
Speaker 1: each other the story about it. It's just more of
Speaker 1: a connectivity. I find watching TV with a partner to
Speaker 1: be pretty lazy, quite frankly. I mean, no judgment, but
Speaker 1: you know, when I do it, I'm always like, what
Speaker 1: are we doing this for? Shouldn't we be like fucking
Speaker 1: or doing something more. I definitely agree, you know, and
Speaker 1: maybe there's some other things you guys can start doing together,
Speaker 1: like going out at night and go into the movies
Speaker 1: or going bowling or stupid shit, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: He travels so much for work.
Speaker 5: I feel like it's something he looks forward to, like
Speaker 5: actually being at home and decompressing and enjoying that. And
Speaker 5: my biggest hesitation because I can tell him anything.
Speaker 1: I just he's a.
Speaker 5: Huge overcorrector, so I feel anytime I'll give him feedback,
Speaker 5: you know, help cooking more dinners. The next thing is
Speaker 5: a homemade from scratch lasagna, revel taco night or something.
Speaker 5: So I don't ever want him to feel like a
Speaker 5: huge overcrrection is needed.
Speaker 2: But just you should tell him that, honestly, because like that, right,
Speaker 2: like that is so sweet, and that the fact that
Speaker 2: he's that he's actually like he's listening to you and
Speaker 2: he's hearing what you're saying, and just tell him, like,
Speaker 2: I don't want you to overcorrect, but this habit or
Speaker 2: this this activity is maybe on a group activity for
Speaker 2: me to be included in, and like don't make him
Speaker 2: feel like his interest is like invalid or lame. But
Speaker 2: I think if he will, if he does over correct,
Speaker 2: then maybe there's the potential that he can just correct
Speaker 2: course correct to a different activity together.
Speaker 1: Yeah, play games like play Rummy cue.
Speaker 3: There's always so Yeah, puzzles are just boring though like a.
Speaker 1: Game at least there's like conversation going a little bit
Speaker 1: more than a puzzle. And I just think, like I
Speaker 1: understand if he's tired, and I feel that way when
Speaker 1: I come back from the road, like I'm tired. I
Speaker 1: just want to like get in bed and not think
Speaker 1: I get it. I totally get it. So give a
Speaker 1: couple of options and be malleable, which I'm sure you
Speaker 1: already are. But the most important thing is you don't
Speaker 1: have to care for his feelings into the degree that
Speaker 1: you're talking about when you're talking about and eating disorder,
Speaker 1: like you're the number one priority in that situation. And
Speaker 1: he would say the same thing, yeah, yeah, So like,
Speaker 1: don't apologize for his overcorrection. If he's gonna overcorrect, you
Speaker 1: can tell him, like Madeline said, like you can tell
Speaker 1: him you don't have to overcrack. But also like you
Speaker 1: need to be very honest about your truth. You are
Speaker 1: the number one priority in this situation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And a great thing to tell him is like
Speaker 3: you can go ahead and watch the show. This is
Speaker 3: your show to watch in the hotel when you're traveling
Speaker 3: for work, Like this is a new show, I just
Speaker 3: I just.
Speaker 2: Can't watch it.
Speaker 3: To get a little more book nerdy about setting the stage.
Speaker 2: For when you're reading together.
Speaker 3: Sure, I like putting on music, but this is like
Speaker 3: very nerdy. You can go on YouTube and find background
Speaker 3: that you put on the TV.
Speaker 2: It's kind of fun.
Speaker 3: Like if I'm reading a spooky book, I'll put on
Speaker 3: a background that's like stormy night and you're in a
Speaker 3: cabin and it's kind of fun.
Speaker 1: Well, you were right to warn me about that advice.
Speaker 1: Thank you. First of all, if I could figure out
Speaker 1: how to fucking do that, my life would be a
Speaker 1: lot different. I could set the settings on my TV screen.
Speaker 1: I mean, I go to houses. I my god, how
Speaker 1: did you do that? But also, yeah, find some stuff
Speaker 1: to do. That's like, you know, there's so much you
Speaker 1: can do, like learn how to play cribbage together, learn
Speaker 1: how to play gin ye, play gin together, play a
Speaker 1: card game. There's other ways to connect and relax that
Speaker 1: don't require like leaving the house. You know, if he
Speaker 1: really wants to chill out.
Speaker 5: I had a small conversation about wanting to have more
Speaker 5: deep conversations with each other a few months ago, and
Speaker 5: he literally went out and bought this card game that's
Speaker 5: for connecting and and then I'm the one.
Speaker 1: Who kind of stopped.
Speaker 5: The questions got real and I kind of shut down
Speaker 5: a little, so I know, we should pick that game
Speaker 5: back up again. He took the effort to hear me
Speaker 5: and move forward with us to connect through that. I just,
Speaker 5: you know, one of the first questions of how have
Speaker 5: I ever let you down? And it just was so
Speaker 5: so deep, so quick.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I bet there's other card games so that
Speaker 2: I feel there definitely are that are like more conversation
Speaker 2: starters than like relationship bummers you know what, I'll send you.
Speaker 3: I can't remember what they're called, but there are these
Speaker 3: like packs of like conversation starters that you can like
Speaker 3: use together and they're fun when you have guests over
Speaker 3: and super fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Perka, thank you so much. Yeah, but definitely, like
Speaker 1: you know that is you're a number one like focus
Speaker 1: on telling the truth you want to know.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's not an excuse, that's a reason and it's.
Speaker 1: Oh there you go. That's another tagline for your other
Speaker 1: brand that we're going to come up with. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: have three brand taglines.
Speaker 3: Will you check back in with us, Have you guys
Speaker 3: have the conversation?
Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely absolutely, I'll follow up.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much.
Speaker 2: All right, thanks Renee.
Speaker 1: I've got lots of couples have problems connecting like after
Speaker 1: a while, because it's like, what do you talk about
Speaker 1: after you've been with somebody for fifteen years? Yeah, you're
Speaker 1: of the generation where everyone was named Madeline because I
Speaker 1: had a cabbage batch kid name or cabbage Batch kids
Speaker 1: were a prelude to a generation of names because everyone name, yes,
Speaker 1: everyone who was my age who named like Gretchen, Gracie Taylor,
Speaker 1: and then then everyone grew up that was my age
Speaker 1: and had babies and then named them those babies. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I like the name made little too. It's a
Speaker 1: good name.
Speaker 2: That's your middle name, Renee. Okay, yeah, I liked Madeline.
Speaker 2: I think I think the story like my parents found
Speaker 2: out that they were going to have me when they
Speaker 2: were visiting there in Paris, and they thought that then
Speaker 2: the book, the Madeline Book was really cute. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: the Little Cookies. So they just changed the name.
Speaker 1: Do you have siblings?
Speaker 2: I'm an only child?
Speaker 1: Oh really? Yeah.
Speaker 2: They had a hard time having or getting pregnant with me,
Speaker 2: so and then I was apparently very happy, quiet baby.
Speaker 2: So they were like, maybe we should just quit while
Speaker 2: we're ahead. Yeah, but they took me to the doctor
Speaker 2: when I was little because I would not speak.
Speaker 1: How long did it take you to speak?
Speaker 2: Mm? It was pretty quiet up until like maybe when
Speaker 2: I was ten, I just are yapping away?
Speaker 1: What do you mean ten?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I just didn't really speak. Like my mom would
Speaker 2: be like how is your day and be like.
Speaker 1: At six and five, like when you went to school, speak.
Speaker 2: Right, I could speak. I just chose not. I just
Speaker 2: didn't want to. Interesting.
Speaker 1: I must have been concerning for them.
Speaker 2: That's yeah, that's they were like, she's just fine. She
Speaker 2: just she doesn't see a reason.
Speaker 1: It's an interesting attitude for a little kid.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so funny, Abstained.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm the youngest of six kids, so it would
Speaker 1: never have occurred to me not to speak, because that
Speaker 1: was the only way to get shipped down.
Speaker 2: Or to get like I'm sure to be like yeah heard, Yeah.
Speaker 1: I'm like, fuck all these other people. Yeah, hell no,
Speaker 1: I need some attention. But that if you are an
Speaker 1: only child, why why would you, jock? You're like, I
Speaker 1: got everything I need right here.
Speaker 2: We did lots of puzzles without speaking, did you ye
Speaker 2: while ding puzzle? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Okay, I really want to get to those collars because
Speaker 3: this is a really interesting question. So Hallie is twenty
Speaker 3: seven and her subject line is the twenty seven year
Speaker 3: old with fifteen year old daughters. Dear Chelsea. When I
Speaker 3: was twenty four years old, I accidentally became a mom
Speaker 3: to two twelve year old girls. When I say twenty four,
Speaker 3: I mean barely twenty four. They celebrated their twelfth birthday
Speaker 3: and I celebrated my twenty fourth together. I know, accidentally
Speaker 3: adopted two preteens. Sounds like a story that would involve
Speaker 3: a cult, drugs, possibly a head injury. But I worked
Speaker 3: with foster kids and was started as helping out somehow
Speaker 3: turned into motherhood. And before anyone tells me this is normal,
Speaker 3: I know people start families young all the time. I
Speaker 3: genuinely just never thought it would happen to me. Now
Speaker 3: I'm twenty seven and they're fifteen. I envisioned my twenties dating, traveling, partying,
Speaker 3: and making regrettable decisions. Instead I spent mine explaining to
Speaker 3: two teenage girls why they shouldn't make regrettable decisions. Although
Speaker 3: to be fair, I do try to lead by example.
Speaker 3: To be clear, I love these girls more than anything,
Speaker 3: but I do occasionally feel like I skipped directly from
Speaker 3: age twenty four, or to exhausted mother who's fighting for
Speaker 3: her life every day, and the time flies when you're
Speaker 3: fighting for your life. My biggest fear becoming a grandmother, Chelsea.
Speaker 3: I cannot stress this enough. I am not built for grandmotherhood.
Speaker 3: I still get carted. I have brought them to school hungover.
Speaker 3: Some days, I feel like I'm moving backwards on the
Speaker 3: responsibility scale. I can't cook and have no understanding of finances.
Speaker 3: There's absolutely nothing about me that says mom, much less grandma.
Speaker 3: So now I spend most of my time trying to
Speaker 3: raise two independent, responsible, successful young women, while simultaneously begging
Speaker 3: them not to do anything that could result in me
Speaker 3: raising another child. Here's my question. Am I delusional for
Speaker 3: looking at the calendar and thinking, Okay, when these girls graduate,
Speaker 3: I can finally have my twenties or is that selfish?
Speaker 2: Is there such a.
Speaker 3: Thing as a delayed young adult phase? Can I be
Speaker 3: grateful for my life and still feel like I missed
Speaker 3: a chapter?
Speaker 2: Or am I just a mom?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 3: Honestly, I'm receptive to any advice, criticism, reality checks are
Speaker 3: tough love. I'm just desperate for at least one person
Speaker 3: not to answer with, well, what did you think was
Speaker 3: going to happen?
Speaker 2: Because clearly I was not thinking.
Speaker 3: Sincerely, Halle, Hi, Halle, Hi, Helle Hi.
Speaker 1: This is our special guest, Madeline Client is here today.
Speaker 2: Hello.
Speaker 1: Hey, First of all, way to go. That is awesome
Speaker 1: and generous and loving and such a thing that a
Speaker 1: woman would do is adopt to twelve year olds. So
Speaker 1: that's awesome that you did that. And you're giving them
Speaker 1: a stable home, and you're giving them love, and you're
Speaker 1: giving them an education on life. So all of these
Speaker 1: things are beautiful. Are you delusional to think that you
Speaker 1: can have your own life once they hopefully are they
Speaker 1: going to go to college? These girls, that's the hope. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they want to. Yeah, okay, great, that's all they need
Speaker 1: is to want to do it and then that will
Speaker 1: most likely happen. No, you're not delusional. Yes, you're gonna
Speaker 1: have your life. This is fucking awesome that you already
Speaker 1: have too. Sixteen fifteen or they're fifteen now right, three
Speaker 1: years okay, you have two more years of this until
Speaker 1: they go to college. Two more years. Dive into them
Speaker 1: big time. Make sure they know that you are not
Speaker 1: going to be a grandmother. Make sure that they are
Speaker 1: educated about birth control. Get them injected with whatever nouva
Speaker 1: ring they need to have. I don't know why I
Speaker 1: touched my elbow or the inside. I was thinking of
Speaker 1: my v because that's how you get a neuva ring
Speaker 1: in my mind, you know. But just make sure that
Speaker 1: they are you know, they've got it. They don't want
Speaker 1: to have a baby. Do they want to have a baby?
Speaker 2: No, But I just worry where Okay, but don't worry
Speaker 2: about things that haven't happened, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: That's just like you're almost almost like manifesting it by
Speaker 1: worrying about it so much that you should probably flip
Speaker 1: it and reverse it and be like, they would never
Speaker 1: do such a thing to me. You're not even their
Speaker 1: biological mother, Like how could you be expected to raise another,
Speaker 1: you know, generation of children. Like that's just like that's
Speaker 1: not a default setting in my viewpoint. You would be
Speaker 1: there to help, but you're not going to be there
Speaker 1: to you know, step in and raise a baby. So
Speaker 1: obviously have you made that clear to them?
Speaker 2: I did.
Speaker 4: I just worried because they create like negative attention.
Speaker 2: A lot of the time, uh huh, And.
Speaker 4: So I try to give them space to kind of
Speaker 4: be who they are, figure out who they are, but
Speaker 4: also while set in boundaries and it's just a little difficult.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And do you have someone who helps you, like,
Speaker 1: do you have like a parenting coach or do you
Speaker 1: like how do you how do you know how to
Speaker 1: do this. You're just figuring it out as you go Google. Yeah. Great,
Speaker 1: Well that's what most parents are doing anyway, So don't
Speaker 1: worry about that. But the broader question is you're going
Speaker 1: to have your own life. The fact that you have
Speaker 1: two kids that are going to college when you're going
Speaker 1: to be like twenty nine years old, that's when your
Speaker 1: life is going to begin again.
Speaker 2: We were just talking about at the beginning of this
Speaker 2: podcast was how excited I am from my thirties because
Speaker 2: I feel like they're going to be even more awesome
Speaker 2: than my twenties. So I feel like.
Speaker 1: They are and they are awesome. I'm here to tell
Speaker 1: you it gets better as you age as a woman.
Speaker 1: It just keeps getting better and better and better. You're
Speaker 1: more like, look what you've already accomplished.
Speaker 2: Cool.
Speaker 1: Most people are gonna be like ten years from where
Speaker 1: you are, raising seventeen year old children or fifteen year
Speaker 1: old children, do you know what I mean? Like, you
Speaker 1: have an advantage because you were so young, so stop
Speaker 1: looking at it as a disadvantage and look at it
Speaker 1: as an advantage. You gave these girls a safe place
Speaker 1: to grow up, so like that is invaluable like beautiful, beautiful, beautiful,
Speaker 1: and yeah, and so like you have like the whole
Speaker 1: world ahead of you, and of course you're missing out
Speaker 1: on this time in your twenties, but honestly, this isn't
Speaker 1: the best time of your life anyway. Like your thirties
Speaker 1: are going to be even better than your twenties. So
Speaker 1: then you can be free, and then you could go
Speaker 1: out and spread your wings.
Speaker 2: And fly when you're smarter and cooler than ever. Yes, yes, absolutely.
Speaker 1: Hope so yeah, yeah, but don't hope. So no, So
Speaker 1: that's what's gonna happen. Where do you live? I live
Speaker 1: in Louisiana? Okay? I was gonna say that accent I
Speaker 1: couldn't quite place, and that's usually Louisiana when you can't
Speaker 1: place it. Are you in New Orleans? Another part close
Speaker 1: by New Orleans? Okay? So how did these girls come
Speaker 1: into your life?
Speaker 4: I work with kids in the Foster hair system, and
Speaker 4: I worked closely with them. They went home with their
Speaker 4: dad and I just kind of kept in touch just
Speaker 4: in case, and one day he dropped him off and
Speaker 4: said pretty much he can't do it anymore.
Speaker 2: And I tried to.
Speaker 4: Work with them the best that I could, but then
Speaker 4: it was like I had to make a decision to
Speaker 4: step up or I would have had to be the
Speaker 4: bad guy and put them back where they did not
Speaker 4: want to go. And so I mean it was the
Speaker 4: easy yes for me at the time. I just I
Speaker 4: didn't think future, Like I wasn't thinking what my life
Speaker 4: would look like, you know, five years from that moment
Speaker 4: or whatever.
Speaker 2: And how good for those girls that you weren't thinking.
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, yeah, you did it. That's a beautiful
Speaker 1: thing that you've done. And these girls aren't gonna they
Speaker 1: they're gonna get it. They're not gonna go out and
Speaker 1: get pregnant. And if they do get pregnant, then hoefully
Speaker 1: they'll get an abortion and they won't have a baby
Speaker 1: before they're ready to have a child, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. Like people do make mistakes and that then
Speaker 1: and you can you know, I don't know if Louisiana
Speaker 1: is a state where you can, but whatever. Don't like
Speaker 1: think about that aspect of things. Just make sure they're educated,
Speaker 1: which I know you already are doing about getting pregnant
Speaker 1: and about protecting themselves. And I understand that young girls
Speaker 1: get off on negative attention. I know that, and that
Speaker 1: can be a bad habit, but it's also kind of
Speaker 1: part of growing.
Speaker 2: Up and the fact that you're also like allowing them
Speaker 2: space while also setting boundaries with them and like allowing
Speaker 2: them to be individuals with their own thoughts and feelings,
Speaker 2: and you're not you're not helicoptering them. You're allowing them
Speaker 2: to grow up and still teach them and tell them
Speaker 2: to like learn from me. Is that is so amazing? Yea,
Speaker 2: Like the the lessons and the freedoms that you're giving
Speaker 2: them is truly Like, especially I know it's so difficult
Speaker 2: when when they're teenagers. I remember like how annoying I was,
Speaker 2: But like I was always so grateful when my parents
Speaker 2: gave me a little bit of freedom, So I trust
Speaker 2: and trust.
Speaker 1: Yes, I think the way to build trust is to
Speaker 1: give people a little latitude and seeing what they come
Speaker 1: back with. Like sometimes when you trust people who haven't
Speaker 1: been entrusted before, they really value that, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. So it's like giving them a little of
Speaker 1: latitude and seeing how they respond in that situation. And yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm sure these girls are like endlessly grateful to you.
Speaker 1: They are.
Speaker 4: It's I just want to make sure that I'm doing
Speaker 4: the best possible thing. And I know that no parent
Speaker 4: is perfect, like for sure, but that's why I'm always
Speaker 4: willing to learn and to hear from other people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you do, you are. You're doing a great job.
Speaker 1: You are and calling and asking questions and being open
Speaker 1: to that is also great. I have no doubt that
Speaker 1: you the best influence that these girls have ever had.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, so just hold tight and then get your
Speaker 1: pussy out when they go to college and get the
Speaker 1: fucking party started.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't wait.
Speaker 1: Okay, thanks for calling, Kelly.
Speaker 4: Thank y'all.
Speaker 1: Bye bye.
Speaker 2: I love accent.
Speaker 1: I know. It was like I was like, where is
Speaker 1: and then she said something else and I'm like, wait, no,
Speaker 1: that's not Mississi, And then that is occasion accent for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well that's our episode of Madeline Kline, who has
Speaker 1: been so cute and oh my god, you guys can
Speaker 1: watch Outer Banks. Season five is going to be on
Speaker 1: Netflix in a couple of weeks. In a couple of
Speaker 1: weeks August twentieth. Everybody, they have a couple tongues like draff.
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