1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:04,000 Speaker 1: We welcome you to the OTP Titans Radio's draft duo 2 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:08,200 Speaker 1: coach Dave McGinnis and Rehet Brian their combined preview Part two. 3 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 1: Are you guys ready, let's do this? Ready for you 4 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:12,880 Speaker 1: did a great job on part one with the offense, 5 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 1: so let's dive right into part two the defense. About 6 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 1: what's gonna go on here in Indianapolis. Dave McGinnis, you lead, 7 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 1: Rhett Brian, you follow the deepest position on defense, cornerback. 8 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 1: Corner cornerback. I think in my in my opinion, which 9 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: is not always right, but I think there might could 10 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:34,479 Speaker 1: be at least maybe ten to twelve of them pick 11 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:37,879 Speaker 1: before the hundredth pick in this draft is over. In 12 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:40,519 Speaker 1: that far into the third round, you're still going to 13 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 1: be able to get that kind of quality. Absolutely, And 14 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:46,559 Speaker 1: do you have everything in the speed guys that got 15 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 1: You've got You've got everything. I mean you've got. You've 16 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 1: got You've got length, guys that that can that can press, 17 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 1: You've got speed guys that can that can transition into 18 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 1: the slot. You've got guys that are that that also 19 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 1: bring returnability that the cornerback position. To me, and again, 20 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 1: just as we were talking about in into here. In 21 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 1: our previous when we talked about the offense, the reason 22 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 1: is is because of what offenses are doing in the NCUBA. 23 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 1: It's just, I mean everything, everything is filtering up just 24 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:17,400 Speaker 1: because what offensers are doing. Defensive coaches and defensive teams 25 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 1: and defensive thought process. You have to have people to 26 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 1: combat all the five out stuff. That's why you are 27 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 1: seeing more and more athletes on the cornerback side of it. 28 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 1: Cornerback definitely, and it starts with the most sure, lockdown 29 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:32,960 Speaker 1: type thing in cornerback. Jeffrey Okuda from Ohio State, it 30 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:35,759 Speaker 1: would be a top five guy. Probably doesn't get past 31 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 1: the Lions at three. That's one of the reasons why 32 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 1: you will see their corners allegedly on the trading block. 33 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:44,040 Speaker 1: Christian Fulton from LSU is probably a first round pick. 34 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 1: C J. Henderson from Florida. Jeff Gladney from TCU is 35 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 1: probably a guy that can sneak in the bottom of 36 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 1: that first round. And if it weren't for some off 37 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 1: the field issues, Damon our Nette from Ohio State would 38 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 1: probably be in that group. There are outside guys, like 39 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 1: coach Max says, then they're really good, n cool cornerbacks. 40 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 1: Like Darnay Holmes of UCLA, who will light up the 41 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 1: forty times in probably the mid four threes this week, 42 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 1: and who is also a returner. Then there's later round 43 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:13,359 Speaker 1: small school guys who will make noise too. There's a 44 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:15,920 Speaker 1: guy it's been invite of the combine, Kyle Dugger, who's 45 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:19,640 Speaker 1: a track guy from leonor Ryan Or who got a 46 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 1: combine invite, who is a world class track athlete. There 47 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 1: are corners of every shape and size, and they will 48 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:31,800 Speaker 1: be selected by a lot of teams. Max. Right, So 49 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:33,800 Speaker 1: what you're telling me is if the Titans want to 50 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 1: take a corner at twenty nine, they can get a 51 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 1: really good Yes they can. But if they want to 52 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 1: go at sixty one or ninety three they can do 53 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 1: that too. Yes. Well, but let me tell you why 54 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 1: the Titans can do that because John Robinson and his 55 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 1: staff do a really good job of venting it and 56 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 1: finding Now, just because they're out there, you have to 57 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 1: identify who fits what you do. John Robinson and his 58 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 1: group here they do that in spades. Here. They do 59 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 1: a great job. So the people are there, they'll identify them. 60 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 1: So it's a good draft for the Titans in terms 61 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 1: of a need I would think so absolutely. Okay, Now 62 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:06,679 Speaker 1: let's go to something else first, and I want to 63 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:08,800 Speaker 1: get a yes or no from you both on this 64 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:14,079 Speaker 1: to begin with, Chase Young is the number one edge 65 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:17,079 Speaker 1: rusher off the board? Yes or no? Yes? Yes, okay. 66 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 1: So we've established that in terms of the Titans radio 67 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 1: draft duo. If that's the case, and if he's gonna 68 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 1: go as highly Ohio State talented guy going to go 69 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:29,239 Speaker 1: as highly as we think, give me your top candidate 70 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 1: to be the second edge rusher off the board behind 71 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 1: Ohio States All American Clevan Chase on from LSU Clevan 72 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 1: Chase on six four, two fifty. He is one to 73 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 1: watch this week and at his pro day coming up, 74 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 1: he has a chance to be a top ten player 75 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 1: in this draft with a good showing this week. He 76 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 1: is a hybrid edge rusher. He lined up all over 77 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 1: the place for that LSU defense on their national title run. 78 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 1: He succeeded most of the time plugging him in different 79 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 1: places because he has athletics skills through the roof and 80 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 1: he has good football IQ smarts, especially against the run. 81 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 1: He had an ACL injury that cost him in his 82 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 1: entire twenty eighteen season, so he's still developing coming back 83 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 1: from that and also not being in one spot in 84 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 1: that defense. So long you put him in as a 85 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:20,920 Speaker 1: three to four outside linebacker edge rusher in this and 86 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 1: he will terrorize quarterbacks. That's the guy. One hundred percent agree. 87 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 1: Now you want you want some more names? Now? To me, 88 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 1: there's their separation after those two. I mean, say his 89 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 1: name again for me, Clavon Chase. I that's who I want, 90 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 1: because I don't want to say that on Titan's radio. 91 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 1: Okaydn't say it now, Chase and there we gotta love 92 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:41,919 Speaker 1: it's how about how about your tur Grossmatos Penn State? 93 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 1: Penn State. There's a guy there. And then tryl Lewis 94 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 1: from Alabama. Well, yeah, I mean Alabama rushers are normally 95 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 1: well but you know, and and he's he's an interesting 96 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 1: He's an interesting get because Ret just talked about injuries. 97 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 1: He had injury, an elbow injury in twenty seventeen. He 98 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 1: also had an ACL injury in twenty eighteen, and he's 99 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 1: just now starting to come off. But he's a big, physical, 100 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:03,600 Speaker 1: chiseled looking dude that's got linked and he's got some 101 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 1: nasty to him when you watch his game so anyway, 102 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:10,559 Speaker 1: it's the edge rusher pool. Pretty deep overall in this draft. 103 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:14,039 Speaker 1: Now here's here's to me deep you're going to I 104 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 1: think they're separations. There's some distinct separations in this group 105 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 1: in my humble opinion, when you start looking at you're 106 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:23,279 Speaker 1: still going to be able to get productive players. But 107 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:25,359 Speaker 1: the players that you're going to get after some of 108 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 1: these guys that we have just mentioned and and Chase 109 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:31,479 Speaker 1: Young is the is the class of the class, all right, 110 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 1: But some of these guys they're going to be missing 111 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:35,600 Speaker 1: some element or other. You just got to rectify in 112 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 1: your mind if you can live with what's missing and 113 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:40,280 Speaker 1: take what they have and make it work for your defense. 114 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 1: Big difference between the home run hitters and the guys 115 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:46,359 Speaker 1: who hit singles. Correct, they can both. They can both play. 116 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 1: They can both play, but it's just a different skill set. 117 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:51,720 Speaker 1: And to coach Mack's point, after Terrell Lewis from Alabama 118 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:54,119 Speaker 1: is where it starts to drop off to a group 119 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:57,479 Speaker 1: of guys from picks thirty to ninety that are the 120 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:01,799 Speaker 1: same graded level of gill set. Whether it's Julian Aquara 121 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 1: from Notre Dame, Jonathan Greenard from Florida, Curtis Weaver, Boise State, 122 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:09,280 Speaker 1: Josh Eugie Michigan, Zach Bond Wisconsin. There's several guys in it. 123 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:12,360 Speaker 1: I think they're solid players, but they're not anywhere near 124 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 1: Chase Young or at Cleavan Jason the a NI kid. 125 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:19,039 Speaker 1: You know, you know the Ani kid. So I mean, 126 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 1: but there's a separation in my opinion. All right, So 127 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:24,280 Speaker 1: let me talk to you about how you do this 128 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:28,359 Speaker 1: as an NFL guy, Dave McGinnis. What are teams looking 129 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:33,159 Speaker 1: for as edge rushers work out here in Indianapolis? What 130 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 1: is the determination they're trying to make about an edge 131 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 1: rusher as they evaluate the players here? The first thing 132 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:44,159 Speaker 1: to quantify your your question, your question is are you 133 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 1: a four three team or are you a three four team? Okay, 134 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:49,359 Speaker 1: because that makes a big difference. Now, the other thing is, 135 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 1: and sometimes they both correlate and they blend together because 136 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 1: most people, you're about sixty percent of the time playing 137 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:58,920 Speaker 1: defense in the National Football League today, you're in sub package. 138 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:01,280 Speaker 1: And sub package for our listeners is is you've got 139 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:04,280 Speaker 1: a rush package where you've probably have got multiple defensive 140 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 1: backs on the field, and so your guys that are 141 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:09,360 Speaker 1: coming off the edge, I mean this year. You saw 142 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 1: what the Titans did. They lined up Darrell Casey on 143 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 1: the edge sometimes right, you know, to bring pressure in subsituations. 144 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 1: So all of those factors figure in to what your 145 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 1: question is. But if you just want to make a 146 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 1: broad statement, the first thing you're looking at, if you're 147 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 1: we're talking about the combine where we are now with 148 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 1: the drills on the field, you're looking for first step quickness. Okay, 149 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 1: you're looking for the speed on the ten because you 150 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 1: don't you don't really care how fast that they'll never 151 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 1: run forty yards to get a quarterback behind the line 152 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 1: of scrimmage. Okay, So you're looking for first step quickness. 153 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 1: You're looking at speed, and then the huge thing you're 154 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: looking for lower body and lower extremity, flexibility. You're looking 155 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 1: for ability to bend the edge. You've heard me talk 156 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 1: about motorcycle lean. Our listeners have heard me talk about that. 157 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 1: That's what Harold Landry had. That was his outstanding characteristic 158 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: coming out of school last year. So those are the 159 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 1: traits that you are looking for in physical drills. Jim Washburn, 160 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 1: who is the defensive line coach, he used to do 161 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 1: a great drill with Hula hoops and tennis balls as 162 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 1: to where you'd run the hoop and pick the ball 163 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 1: up and drop in mean, lower body flexibility is huge 164 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 1: and still being able to corner while you're moving at 165 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 1: top speed. Is there a Jeffrey Simmons type defensive lineman 166 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 1: or linemen? Are there multiple ones in this draft? Coachmac No, Okay, 167 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 1: not Jeffrey Simmons. Jeffrey Simmons. Jeffrey Simmons would be the 168 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 1: first defensive lineman taking in this draft, hands down. The 169 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:33,320 Speaker 1: only one closest to him, in my opinion is Derek 170 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:35,560 Speaker 1: Brown at Halburn. Okay, Derek Brown at Harburn is a 171 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 1: is a big I mean, you know, he's a bear. 172 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:40,680 Speaker 1: He's like he's like Jeffrey Simmons is. But Jeffrey Simmons 173 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 1: was such a great combination of power and quickness and violence, 174 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 1: you know, with his hands and the way the way 175 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 1: he could do I mean, and you saw physically what 176 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 1: a phenom he is. The way he's able to come 177 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 1: back as early as he was this year, and we 178 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 1: still haven't seen all that he will be. We really haven't. 179 00:08:57,160 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 1: But is there one like him? The only one similar 180 00:08:59,880 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 1: in my mind is Derek Brown at Auburn, but Jeffrey 181 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 1: Simmons would be the class of this defensive tackle draft. 182 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 1: What do you think of the defensive line depth threat, Bryant, 183 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 1: I think this is a place where coach back will 184 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:13,199 Speaker 1: probably disagree with me. I like the depth of the 185 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 1: defensive lineman in this where it's a lot like what 186 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 1: we just just discussed with the pass rushers. There's a 187 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 1: couple of three guys that are up there and probably 188 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 1: will do well this week that'll put them in that 189 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 1: position with a Derek Brown, and then there's some solid 190 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 1: guys throughout. But Derek Brown is the pick of the 191 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 1: letter and that he'll be the first one taken. But 192 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 1: I like Javon ken Law from South Carolina who has 193 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:37,320 Speaker 1: enormous reach and power. But there are middle round guys 194 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 1: McTelvin a Game of Arkansas, Ray Kwon Williams of Michigan State. 195 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 1: The guy I really like in the middle rounds Justin 196 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 1: Mattabikee of Texas A and m good explosive first step 197 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 1: because that's what he's talking about with big lineman six 198 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 1: four three h four who is a disruptor. I like 199 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 1: that guy. And then you know, as you get to 200 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 1: the later rounds in Day three and undrafted, it really 201 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 1: starts to drop off. But there's some good guys from 202 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:03,560 Speaker 1: picks thirty to ninety. All right, let's have some fun. 203 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 1: I'm gonna let Rhet go first on this. When coach 204 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 1: Mack goes second player, regardless of position, who has the 205 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:15,239 Speaker 1: most to gain here in Indianapolis at the NFL Combine, 206 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:18,439 Speaker 1: I'm going with JK. Dobbins, the running back from Ohio State. 207 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 1: He could be and probably would be the back if 208 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 1: DeAndre Swift wasn't just a notch ahead of him, and 209 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 1: I think the thing that separates them he needs to 210 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 1: show better past receiving skills than he did in the 211 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 1: college football playoffs. He had two crucial drops in big, 212 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:38,679 Speaker 1: big moments for them. If he is able to improve 213 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 1: that with pre draft workouts and the like, JK. Dobbins 214 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:44,680 Speaker 1: is gonna make somebody a really good running back. What 215 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:48,080 Speaker 1: do we think he weighs two thirty something like that. 216 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 1: He's listed right now is two seventeen. Of course, we'll 217 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 1: see what the official later on this week when they met. 218 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 1: He's gonna play two twenties. Yeah, he'd be a two 219 00:10:56,840 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 1: twentieth feature back. And I think if he gets some 220 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 1: work on the out of the backfield receiving skills, he'll 221 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 1: make someone a nice, nice feature back. I think Troutman 222 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 1: can gain a lot from this. Just everybody can see. 223 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 1: And that's the tight about in part one. Yeah, absolutely 224 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 1: we did, and I think he can. But the other 225 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 1: one leaviscas Chenault, the wide receiver from Colorado. People get 226 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 1: to take a look at him and they can see 227 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 1: look at you know, how what kind of route tree 228 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 1: can he run? Really? You know what can he do? Now? 229 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 1: It's different here because you have quarterbacks that you haven't 230 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 1: been working with a lot. But I think he can 231 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:34,959 Speaker 1: come up a little bit too. I'll give you one more. 232 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:38,239 Speaker 1: And we didn't mention him from the edge. Aj ep Andsa, 233 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 1: the defensive in from Iowa. He's probably more of a 234 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:43,560 Speaker 1: four three guy, But I think people really want to 235 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 1: test and see what is true. As we talked about 236 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:49,720 Speaker 1: earlier in this his true bend on the edge, his 237 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 1: true bend. You know, is he a linear guy that's 238 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 1: just powerful? Does he need to move inside? I mean 239 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 1: this guy the you will see a lot from the 240 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 1: broad jump, from the vertical jump, the test explosion, and 241 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 1: then his edge bending stuff. He can benefit if he 242 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:07,560 Speaker 1: can top those out. He had a nice finish to 243 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:09,680 Speaker 1: the season, did he not. Well, he's a he's a 244 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:13,440 Speaker 1: he's a consistent player. He's a consistent, really tough player, 245 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 1: as I said. And now the thing you're looking at 246 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:18,440 Speaker 1: is he a linear player or is he a guy 247 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 1: that can truly been the edge against tackles in this league? 248 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:24,440 Speaker 1: All right, so let's go with this one now, player, 249 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 1: regardless of physician, who has the most to lose here 250 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 1: in Indianapolis. I'm going with cornerback Jalen Johnson of Utah. 251 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:35,560 Speaker 1: He's a long corner. He has physical skills, he's a 252 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 1: great tackler, loves to pop and hit, but he doesn't 253 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:41,560 Speaker 1: have the long speed to pursue on a bomb play. 254 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 1: And that's the place where cornerbacks this week, when they're 255 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:48,560 Speaker 1: tested on those forty times, you better have some speed 256 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:51,320 Speaker 1: in this because that's where you start losing things. If 257 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 1: he has been working hard, and sometimes players can trim 258 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:57,320 Speaker 1: a little off that forty time from things they've been 259 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:00,559 Speaker 1: doing before. But if he can show that he has 260 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 1: some speed in those transition drills this week, it will 261 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 1: help him. If it doesn't, it will hurt his draft 262 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:08,600 Speaker 1: stock and he will fall because there's so many corners 263 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 1: in this draft. Interesting. Tee Higgins from Clemson. I mean, 264 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:13,200 Speaker 1: here's here's a guy. Here's a guy that's a I 265 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 1: mean that's a name. I mean he's a real name. 266 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:17,679 Speaker 1: But what's his true speed? You know, what's his true speed? 267 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 1: And now, and as Rhett was talking about this starts 268 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 1: to separate him a little bit. Tee Higgins is a 269 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 1: football player, But what's his what's his true speed? I'm 270 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:27,199 Speaker 1: going to give you one way deep into this draft 271 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 1: that and that's why we're doing this. That's why we're 272 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 1: doing our preview. Our listeners can't get this anywhere else. Okay. 273 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:37,199 Speaker 1: James Lynch, defensive end from Baylor is the all time 274 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:40,439 Speaker 1: sack leader at Baylor. He's over twenty sacks in his career, 275 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 1: all time sack leader, highly productive college player, highly productive hit, 276 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:49,200 Speaker 1: what he does in the physical test? Or really? Is 277 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:51,200 Speaker 1: this just we know he's a high effort player when 278 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 1: you watch him on tape, but does he physically have 279 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 1: what it takes to be able to do this down 280 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 1: in and down out for sixteen games in the National 281 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 1: Football League? Jay Lynch from Baylor, let's check his numbers. 282 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 1: Is there a position entering this week's combine where if 283 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 1: you don't take a guy in the first or second round, 284 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 1: you're just not gonna get that impact. Well, I mean 285 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 1: we talked about the edge rush, edge rush, We talked 286 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 1: about the edge rusher, and I think that, I mean, 287 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 1: we've gone over it and when you start looking at it, 288 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 1: because you can see a definite separation of skills and 289 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 1: the reet and I have been, as you said, you know, 290 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 1: for nearly two months now, we've been looking at this. 291 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 1: But it doesn't take a genius to be able to 292 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 1: separate the best from the rest, right, it really doesn't. 293 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 1: But edge rusher, to me is that position. I would 294 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 1: agree with that. And even the interior defensive line is 295 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 1: a place where you've got impact guys and then it's 296 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 1: guys that are solid contributors but not game changers. So 297 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 1: nothing on offense. You can get good value throughout on offense. 298 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 1: You think in several places interior offensive lineman, it's not 299 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 1: a good draft for you. Yeah, as a matter of fact, 300 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 1: that's there's talk there's not gonna be be a center 301 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 1: or guard taken in the first round. No, I think 302 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 1: there's some tackles depending on how you can develop them 303 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 1: throughout this draft. Some tackles. Oh, there's a tackle that 304 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 1: will bust the top ten if he has a good week. 305 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 1: McKay Beckton from Louisville. He is a mountain of a guy, 306 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 1: six six six seven, three hundred and seventy pounds. But 307 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 1: to go back to Coach Max talking about his lowers, 308 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 1: his hips, and he's very fluid and agile for a 309 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 1: big they call what they call a dancing bear. That's 310 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 1: a guy that can rocket himself into the top of 311 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 1: this draft with a good week. All right, So let 312 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 1: me ask you this question. And I'm just gonna do 313 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 1: a hypothetical here and coach, I'll let you go first. 314 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 1: If you were a team who potentially might need a 315 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 1: tackle and might want a tackle to start as a rookie, 316 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 1: can you draft one in this draft? Can you find 317 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 1: a guy to do that? If you were that kind 318 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 1: of team. Early, yes, early, early, like early as in 319 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 1: the first round or early in the first early in 320 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 1: the first one, okay, yeah, early, yes, No, No, they're 321 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 1: not going to be some taking in the top ten, 322 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 1: I don't think. Okay, but yes you can. And if 323 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 1: you're telling me hypothetically, what you said hypothetically, which I 324 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 1: guess means make believe. So when you're exactly doing make believe, 325 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 1: now well done. But if you're saying that that's what 326 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 1: you need, well then you're going to take the best 327 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 1: one and play him because that's where you're deficient. Red. Yeah, 328 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 1: you can do that. McKay Beckton is an example of that. 329 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 1: He's a guy that played left tackle a Leiville, but 330 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 1: I think you can put him in at right tackle 331 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 1: and you can move him to left as things go along. 332 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 1: I think he has that kind of skill set. You know. 333 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 1: It's funny about all this, And when I was preparing 334 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 1: to talk to you guys, and I was looking at 335 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 1: and I've got I don't have a draft board like 336 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 1: you do. But what I look at is I look 337 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 1: at the Titans. I have a board of Titans. Who's 338 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 1: under contract, who's not under contract, what needs are, where 339 00:16:56,480 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 1: things are going forward. It seems like j Robinson has 340 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 1: done another great job setting up his offseason based on 341 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 1: having plenty of choices not only from his current team, 342 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:12,159 Speaker 1: not only from the pool of available free agents that 343 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:14,639 Speaker 1: we figure will be out there, but from what the 344 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:18,119 Speaker 1: strengths of the draft are He's pretty good this John Robinson. 345 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 1: He gets it. Yeah, I've said that for three years. 346 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 1: Is when I've been around him, and the more I 347 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:23,880 Speaker 1: get to know him, and the more I'm around him, 348 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:25,680 Speaker 1: and the more I just talk to him and talk 349 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 1: about he gets it. If you're a head coach in 350 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:30,520 Speaker 1: the National Football League, which I was one at one time, 351 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 1: I wish I had a guy like that because he 352 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 1: sees that having flexibility is the overall key. I think 353 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:42,200 Speaker 1: the thing that is so under talked about with John 354 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 1: Robinson is his long term vision. He can look at 355 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 1: it up close with a microscope, but he can back 356 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:53,439 Speaker 1: away and go, Okay, I got these core guys that 357 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:56,360 Speaker 1: I've drafted. They're up in contracts. I'll need to take 358 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:59,400 Speaker 1: care of X, Y and Z. But I also know that. 359 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 1: And it's like you said, if you need a cornerback 360 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 1: and the Titans could potentially need that, here you go. 361 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 1: This is the draft. If you need a tackle and 362 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:13,200 Speaker 1: you can get one in the top couple of tiers 363 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:16,720 Speaker 1: and you might need that, you got that. He has 364 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:20,399 Speaker 1: vision and kind of he's a great chess player in 365 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 1: this and of course drafting those weekends of the draft, 366 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:27,359 Speaker 1: he puts on his best poker face and set to 367 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:30,919 Speaker 1: the table with all kinds of hands and bluffing people. 368 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:34,200 Speaker 1: He's really good at that. Where that comes from, though, Mike, 369 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:37,439 Speaker 1: He's a boots on the ground football guy, right. He 370 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:39,919 Speaker 1: was a coach first and then a scout. Boots on 371 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 1: the grounds. He's not conducting this from an ivory tower. 372 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:46,640 Speaker 1: He's a boots on the ground football guy. And that's 373 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:49,320 Speaker 1: why I love him. The thing that will probably learn 374 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 1: most in retrospect about what the Titans end up doing 375 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 1: in the twenty twenty draft will be from the guys 376 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:58,720 Speaker 1: that he ends up taking on Day three. That has 377 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:03,160 Speaker 1: been over his first four drafts where we have seen Listen, 378 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 1: Jeffrey Simmons, I mean, I can see Jeffrey Simmons is 379 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:10,400 Speaker 1: a great player. Yeah, he had to have he had 380 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 1: to have the conviction to take him. That's right. Like 381 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 1: he did, That's right. That's a huge part of being 382 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:17,439 Speaker 1: a boots on the ground football guy. He made a 383 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:22,440 Speaker 1: football decision, right, but to take Jayon Brown, to take 384 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 1: guy you know, Dade Crukshank, David Long, Guys like that 385 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 1: that he's gotten who end up being such important parts 386 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:35,320 Speaker 1: of not only for now or certain games, but for 387 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 1: your future. I mean, he that's where he really has 388 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:42,880 Speaker 1: succeeded in my opinion overall. But he, as I said, 389 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 1: boots on the ground, grinder gets it. Last question, Okay, 390 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:50,200 Speaker 1: how much does a team's draft board based on what 391 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:54,440 Speaker 1: happens here in Indianapolis. It doesn't really shift a lot. 392 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:57,520 Speaker 1: You will make some changes because some guys, some guys 393 00:19:57,560 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 1: that you thought. And mainly a lot of this comes 394 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 1: from the speed part of it, because some guys you 395 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:04,639 Speaker 1: just you don't have a true speed. You don't have 396 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:07,359 Speaker 1: a true speed read on where you know where you 397 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 1: need speed. Some things, some things that you reinforce when 398 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:14,359 Speaker 1: you go to the draft. The biggest switches that I've seen, 399 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 1: you know a lot of times are through the interviews 400 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 1: because you don't know these guys and some guys that 401 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 1: you you go when your whole group is in there 402 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:26,360 Speaker 1: and you've gone through the interrogation period, you all all 403 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 1: and that door shut, you go, whoa huh? Not for us? 404 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 1: Some of that happens now eighteen minute interviews forty five 405 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 1: eighteen minute interviews instead of sixty fifteen minute interviews here 406 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:44,960 Speaker 1: at the combine. Interesting, very very interesting because of you know, 407 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 1: going through the prime time. That's very interesting. But the 408 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:52,199 Speaker 1: senior Bolt has evolved into a huge interview process too 409 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:55,000 Speaker 1: from you know, it's morphed from what it used to 410 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:57,919 Speaker 1: be as far as just a gathering of coaches and scouts. 411 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:00,440 Speaker 1: Now I mean it's it's rooms divided up. So they've 412 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 1: they've got they've got some of that done too. But yeah, 413 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 1: that's what we talk about, Mike. We did this on 414 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:09,159 Speaker 1: the OTP about a month ago. We said, you know, 415 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 1: the difference between sixty at fifteen and forty five at 416 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 1: eighteens about a three hours a little over three hours 417 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:16,560 Speaker 1: less of face to face things that you're going to have. 418 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 1: And then see people talk about those interviews. People don't 419 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:22,360 Speaker 1: ever talk about the train station interviews. That going over 420 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 1: at the train station, that where you can interview as 421 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:27,880 Speaker 1: many people as you want, you know, while while your 422 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:31,160 Speaker 1: formal interviews are going on. That's where the assistant coaches 423 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:33,639 Speaker 1: and the and the and the scouts really dig it 424 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 1: because most of the times you'll have your area scout 425 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 1: in the room when you're formal interviewing a guy. But 426 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 1: after that they're over at the train station, which is 427 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 1: attached you know to the holiday in there and you've 428 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 1: got table set up, team table set up. Where I 429 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 1: mean it is, it's like a boiler room. You can 430 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:51,239 Speaker 1: run through everybody. You you end up with your your 431 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 1: scouting department and with your coaching department. If you're really organized, 432 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:57,400 Speaker 1: which this group is here. The groups that I've been 433 00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:00,440 Speaker 1: with have been highly organized. You can interview everybody at 434 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 1: the combine that you want to interview. Titans Radio's Draft DUEO, 435 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 1: coach Dave McGinnis and Rhett Brian, thank you for getting 436 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 1: us ready for what it's going to be an interesting 437 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 1: week here in Indy. Gentle is gonna be awesome and 438 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:13,159 Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to it and I'm so glad we 439 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:16,359 Speaker 1: did this. Amy Wells will be joining me up next 440 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:19,959 Speaker 1: for the next edition of the OTP here in Indianapolis 441 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:22,680 Speaker 1: for coach Mack and for Rhet Brian. Mike Keats says 442 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 1: thanks for listening to the OTP.