WEBVTT - Weirdhouse Cinema: Timecop

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind, a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey you welcome to Weird House Cinema. This is Rob Lamb.

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<v Speaker 3>And this is Joe McCormick in Today's film on Weird

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<v Speaker 3>House Cinema is the nineteen ninety four sci fi action

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<v Speaker 3>thrill ride Time Cop, starring Jean Claude, Van dam, Ron

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<v Speaker 3>Silver and Mia Sarah. I had seen this movie before,

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<v Speaker 3>but not in a long time, and boy was this something.

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<v Speaker 3>If you want to be transported mind and body back

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<v Speaker 3>to the year nineteen ninety four, watch Time Cop. Time

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<v Speaker 3>Cop is a time capsule, not only because it has

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<v Speaker 3>scenes of characters going to mals in nineteen ninety four,

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<v Speaker 3>which is a kind of site that I'm sure many

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<v Speaker 3>people our age can't help but be profoundly stirred by.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's also a type of movie that I think

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<v Speaker 3>used to exist, and I don't know if it still does,

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<v Speaker 3>if there are still movies like this, I don't know

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<v Speaker 3>what the examples are, but it is essentially an R

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<v Speaker 3>rated action movie for kids. Action movies nowadays are all

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<v Speaker 3>they're all PG thirteen, you know, because they want to

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<v Speaker 3>get all the I guess younger teenagers in the theaters.

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<v Speaker 3>But this movie is definitely R rated, does not shy

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<v Speaker 3>away from the F words and the blood squirting everywhere,

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<v Speaker 3>but it is not at all a dark, gritty, morally

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<v Speaker 3>ambiguous tale of depravity and revenge, the kind of thing

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<v Speaker 3>you might expect from an R rated action movie. Instead,

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<v Speaker 3>it's like a live action cartoon. It is a goofy, goobery,

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<v Speaker 3>brightly colored slapstick fest with non stop kicks to the groin.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's true. Warning up front. If you have like

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<v Speaker 2>a groin strain or anything, and you don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>watch people get injured in the groin, then you might

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<v Speaker 2>want to wait on this movie un til you're heeled up.

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<v Speaker 3>I was trying to think of other movies in this category,

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<v Speaker 3>like the you know, the cartoonish action movie with a

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<v Speaker 3>high silliness factor and a well earned R rating. I

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<v Speaker 3>haven't seen it in a long time, but I think

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<v Speaker 3>Demolition Man was another one like this and came out

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<v Speaker 3>around the exact same time. But the other thing I

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<v Speaker 3>want to say is that, at least from my perspective,

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<v Speaker 3>time Copy is awesome. I was shocked how much I

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<v Speaker 3>liked this. This movie is dumb as hell, but I

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<v Speaker 3>thought it held up really well for what it is.

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<v Speaker 3>The ninety eight minute runtime just races by the movie

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<v Speaker 3>will lower your IQ by several points, but I thought

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<v Speaker 3>it was truly entertaining, a spectacular amusement.

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<v Speaker 2>I agree on all of that. Yeah, it's a very

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<v Speaker 2>tight film. It didn't give you any opportunity to really

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<v Speaker 2>be bored by the proceedings. Great action, as we'll discuss,

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<v Speaker 2>and when it comes to the IQ points, Absolutely don't

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<v Speaker 2>think too hard about the time traveling this movie. Don't

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<v Speaker 2>look at the light Marion, because if you do, you're

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<v Speaker 2>going to break something. So be prepared. I'm not saying

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<v Speaker 2>it's still a fun exercise, but just know you are

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<v Speaker 2>going to run up against the wall if you try

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<v Speaker 2>and figure this out, if you try and chart this.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, I found at least one blog post online

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<v Speaker 2>where somebody tried to create some charts to understand the

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<v Speaker 2>various time travel shenanigans in this movie, and they just

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<v Speaker 2>threw their hands up as well.

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<v Speaker 3>This is not primer, This is not where like you

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<v Speaker 3>charged it out and it actually does all make sense.

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<v Speaker 3>This is just like, I have no idea how these

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<v Speaker 3>people got here this time. It just doesn't work.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, people started traveling through time and it's a mess

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<v Speaker 2>which I mean is kind of that kind of the theme.

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<v Speaker 2>So embrace the messiness of this film. Now when it

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<v Speaker 2>comes to time travel, this is our fourth proper time

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<v Speaker 2>travel movie on Weird House Cinema. It comes up occasionally.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like a side gimmick. I think I had to

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<v Speaker 2>remind myself of this. But in The Eliminators the Mad

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<v Speaker 2>Scientists and that also does time travel. But it's not

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<v Speaker 2>a time travel movie. Our time travel movies have been

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<v Speaker 2>free jack transfers to and time after time prior to.

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<v Speaker 3>This, all movies with their own unique pleasures. But I

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<v Speaker 3>think this is our first martial arts focus time travel movie.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, Yeah, this one is a definite martial arts picture.

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<v Speaker 2>I would describe the martial arts action in this film

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<v Speaker 2>as not being it's not about epic stories. Like I

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<v Speaker 2>think I've said before, a proper action sequence, be it

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<v Speaker 2>with swords or fisticuffs, it needs to tell a story,

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<v Speaker 2>and especially in a martial arts movie, your fights need

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<v Speaker 2>to tell stories. In some movies, those fights are like

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<v Speaker 2>novels within the film. In this book, in this book,

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<v Speaker 2>in this movie, time time cop, the fights are more

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<v Speaker 2>like short stories but they're really solid short stories.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I don't know if you agree with this. I

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<v Speaker 3>was divided on the action scenes. Basically, I thought all

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<v Speaker 3>of the all of the action scenes involving gun, most

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<v Speaker 3>of those were kind of in I don't know, I

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<v Speaker 3>could take them or leave them. They were kind of

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<v Speaker 3>standard nineties action slop, you know, close up of one

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<v Speaker 3>person shooting, close up of another person shooting a bunch

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<v Speaker 3>of like barrels exploding in the meantime. But the hand

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<v Speaker 3>to hand fights and like knife fights and all that

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<v Speaker 3>that was top notch, really really good stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, absolutely, it's the melee that is where the

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<v Speaker 2>amusement in the entertainment is here. I mean, that's why

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<v Speaker 2>you have Van Dam. Mean, it's okay if Van Dam

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<v Speaker 2>fires a gun in an action movie, but it's not

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<v Speaker 2>really what you want to see. Yeah, unless he's doing

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<v Speaker 2>the splits at the same time, and then I guess

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<v Speaker 2>that counts.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh he does a world class jump splits in this movie.

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<v Speaker 3>But the other thing I would say is that the

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<v Speaker 3>hand to hand fight scenes are excellent, but they're excellent

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<v Speaker 3>in a cartoony way. They don't come off as particularly

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<v Speaker 3>like realistic, plausible fights. There's like there's one I've got

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<v Speaker 3>in mind where there is a knife fight where the

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<v Speaker 3>characters are just it's like a sword duel. So what

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<v Speaker 3>you expect to see in a sword dou in a

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<v Speaker 3>movie as characters slamming their swords into the other person's sword.

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<v Speaker 3>That makes more sense with the sword because you might

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<v Speaker 3>be using it to try to hit and parry. But

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<v Speaker 3>there's a scene in this movie where they're doing that

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<v Speaker 3>with like six inch long knives. They're just like slamming

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<v Speaker 3>their knife blades together.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and a plus, this is definitely a movie where

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<v Speaker 2>I guess our lead character gets extra points if he

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<v Speaker 2>does a quality kill if there's like a fatality move involved.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's you know, it's very based in all of that. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>to come back to the time travel aspects of this,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to I want to go back to a

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<v Speaker 2>continuing conversation we've had Joe in previous time travel episodes.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess, particularly time after time, you talked about time

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<v Speaker 2>travel story types. I thought you might refresh everyone's memory

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<v Speaker 2>on this and figure out exactly where time coop falls

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<v Speaker 2>into all of that.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, well, so these were story categories I created. This

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<v Speaker 3>is not like a you know, a accepted literary framework,

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<v Speaker 3>so don't go trying to cite this in your film

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<v Speaker 3>or literature classes. But these were the basic types of

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<v Speaker 3>time travel stories I could think of in our Time

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<v Speaker 3>after Time episode. So the first one was what I

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<v Speaker 3>called Journey to Time Island. This is a time travel

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<v Speaker 3>story that uses the future or the past primarily just

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<v Speaker 3>as a setting. It's a hostile setting for an adventure narrative,

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<v Speaker 3>so it might as well be Skull Island or an

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<v Speaker 3>alien planet in a Star Trek episode. It's just an

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<v Speaker 3>unfamiliar setting where characters must face unfamiliar challenges. Second type

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<v Speaker 3>of story is what I called phish out of Time.

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<v Speaker 3>This is usually what you find in time travel comedies.

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<v Speaker 3>It is the time based equivalent of the fish out

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<v Speaker 3>of water plot, where most of the tension, its comedic tension,

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<v Speaker 3>comes from people not getting it, not understanding local conditions,

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<v Speaker 3>not being able to adapt to the expectations, and the

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<v Speaker 3>social taboos and stuff of the time to which they

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<v Speaker 3>have been transported. Time after Time had some of that

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<v Speaker 3>with you know, HG. Wells walking around in nineteen seventies

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<v Speaker 3>cities and being scared of the traffic and then going

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<v Speaker 3>to the Scottish breakfast restaurant where he enjoys Palm Fritz.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, McDonald's.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay. The third category was what I called fresh eyes

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<v Speaker 3>for bad Eras. This is primarily a story that tries

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<v Speaker 3>to comment on the particular features of the time in

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<v Speaker 3>which they are set, usually the present, but sometimes the future,

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<v Speaker 3>and sort of have social commentary about it. So the

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<v Speaker 3>time traveler is able to bring fresh eyes to look

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<v Speaker 3>on the present and see how wrong it is. Usually

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<v Speaker 3>notice bad things about it that you know, all of

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<v Speaker 3>the Krono locals have just learned to ignore. I think

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<v Speaker 3>there are two main subtypes of the fresh eyes for

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<v Speaker 3>bad Eras plot. One is like, the modern world sucks,

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<v Speaker 3>and this is observed either by somebody from the future

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<v Speaker 3>or from the past. And the other is, if we

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<v Speaker 3>keep this up, look what the future is going to

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<v Speaker 3>be like, it's going to be bad.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a great one, of course, because it's always

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<v Speaker 2>that chance to visit the like the dystopian or post

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<v Speaker 2>apocalyptic future and realize, oh, this is a bad course around.

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<v Speaker 2>We've got a course correct, because look at all these

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<v Speaker 2>flaming barrels in the street.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right, okay. Fourth category of story is what I

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<v Speaker 3>called debugging history. This is one that focuses kind of

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<v Speaker 3>on the butterfly effect or on the consequences of actions

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<v Speaker 3>across time. It's where people are trying to isolate a

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<v Speaker 3>variable in the progression of history and human life and

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<v Speaker 3>maybe alter it in order to fix something that goes wrong.

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<v Speaker 3>It's primarily concerned with consequences of decisions and long term

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<v Speaker 3>ripple effects. A great example of this is Back to

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<v Speaker 3>the Future.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes.

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<v Speaker 3>And then the last category is what I would call

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<v Speaker 3>the time travel arms race story. This is the type

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<v Speaker 3>of story that is actually the most focused on time

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<v Speaker 3>travel itself, and the kind that focuses on time travel

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<v Speaker 3>as a mechanism. It takes it seriously as a mechanism

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<v Speaker 3>and usually as a weapon, something that grants you god

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<v Speaker 3>like power. These plots often have competing time travelers, like

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<v Speaker 3>maybe both the heroes and the villains have access to

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<v Speaker 3>time travel, and they're often like trying to go back

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<v Speaker 3>further and further to get ahead of the other one

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<v Speaker 3>or change something or fix something. And it recognizes time

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<v Speaker 3>travel as a dangerous, chaotic, uncontrollable power. Essentially. In fact,

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<v Speaker 3>I would say this type of story is the one

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<v Speaker 3>that best fits Time Cop. I think Time Cop is

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<v Speaker 3>a time travel arms race movie.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think that's a I think that's that's a

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<v Speaker 2>good comparison to make, because yeah, time travel technology is

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<v Speaker 2>just straight up compared to atomic power in this movie.

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<v Speaker 2>And the way it is explored is it's explored is

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<v Speaker 2>this thing that is ultimately a great threat that has

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<v Speaker 2>to be controlled. There are discussions on should it be

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<v Speaker 2>policed or should it just be banned out right or

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<v Speaker 2>prevented in some manner. So absolutely like this is a

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<v Speaker 2>time travel arms race all the way.

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<v Speaker 3>There is a part of the mood, Well, we can

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<v Speaker 3>discuss the implications of this, but I did think it

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<v Speaker 3>was funny. Whereas this character who's a politician, is like,

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<v Speaker 3>we shouldn't be trying to police the use of time travel.

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<v Speaker 3>We should just ban it.

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<v Speaker 2>But I mean, I get, I get. I think what

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<v Speaker 2>he was saying there is like, why are we paying

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<v Speaker 2>for time cops that are going out like after the

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<v Speaker 2>fact and trying to fix things and chase people down

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<v Speaker 2>when maybe we need to be carrying out real world

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<v Speaker 2>strike some time travel facilities, which I think they also

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<v Speaker 2>allude to trying to do that's going on. Maybe they

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<v Speaker 2>just need that we need to double down on that.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, Yeah, I guess so. So, Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 3>think Time Cop is an arms race plot. It's not

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<v Speaker 3>really especially concerned with social commentary or satire. There's a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit of that, but what's there doesn't really depend

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<v Speaker 3>on the time travel mechanic. It is mainly concerned with

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<v Speaker 3>the implications of time travel as a technology and inevitably

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<v Speaker 3>as a And you know what, I think I would

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<v Speaker 3>sort of agree with the spirit of the movie, which

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<v Speaker 3>is that if time travel to the past were invented,

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<v Speaker 3>it would immediately be misused, two disastrous effects. I think

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<v Speaker 3>that's likely true, and I think, as the movie says,

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<v Speaker 3>it's quite plausible that the invention of time travel would

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<v Speaker 3>be far worse than the invention of nuclear weapons. Just

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<v Speaker 3>a genuine nightmare.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, all of history just swirling the drain pretty much,

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<v Speaker 2>all right. So the elevator pitch on this one, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>it's basically in the title. You don't even really need

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<v Speaker 2>to go further than Time Cop. But basically the pitch

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<v Speaker 2>is time crimes are happening throughout all of human history,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's up to a single government agency and one

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<v Speaker 2>incorruptible time cop to police them.

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<v Speaker 3>Couldn't have said it better myself. That's right.

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<v Speaker 4>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>It's probably worth noting as well that this is our,

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<v Speaker 2>I think, our first true cop movie. And by that,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't mean a movie that has cops in it

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<v Speaker 2>or concerns police work or cops saving the day. I

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<v Speaker 2>mean a movie that has this like blank cop, like

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<v Speaker 2>Maniac Cop, RoboCop, Scanner Cop, and so forth.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, hyphen cop movies, yes, though most of them don't

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<v Speaker 3>actually have a hyphen.

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<v Speaker 4>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>I would not say I am especially fond of cop

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<v Speaker 3>movies in general, but I love sci fi or supernatural

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<v Speaker 3>hyphen cop movies almost as much as I love sci

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<v Speaker 3>fi or supernatural wrestling movies. And I'm going to pitch

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<v Speaker 3>some ideas right now for aspiring filmmakers. Lych Cop. I

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<v Speaker 3>may have suggested that one on the show before, but

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<v Speaker 3>if not, there you go. You can have it. Take it.

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<v Speaker 3>I give it to you.

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<v Speaker 2>Natural regression from Maniac Cop, I think.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, yeah, how about Predator Cop. Yeah, it's got

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<v Speaker 3>like the blades and the and the and the like

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<v Speaker 3>the razor frisbee.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, that I could see that happening.

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<v Speaker 3>Mars Cop. That's pretty surely somebody you know that if

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<v Speaker 3>they haven't made that, go and do it. How about

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<v Speaker 3>Druid Cop.

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<v Speaker 4>M Druid Cop.

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<v Speaker 2>Druid Cop could work.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there's some mistletoe badge element you could play with there.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. Shark Cop Shark Cop.

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<v Speaker 2>Shark Cop does seem to exist on the Z grade

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<v Speaker 2>level at least I did a little searching around. Nothing

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<v Speaker 2>that anybody needs to seek out. But great minds think

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<v Speaker 2>alike when it comes to Shark Cop.

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<v Speaker 3>And why not in the end lawnmore Man Cop.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, we live in a world where we have

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<v Speaker 2>more than one scanner cop movie. So yeah, lawnmower Man

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<v Speaker 2>Cop just makes sense.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, I think we're about to do the trailer, right,

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<v Speaker 3>should we do the trailer?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, let's listen to this trailer. It's a good one.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, hold on before we play it. I want you

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<v Speaker 3>folks out there to listen for this. So this is

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<v Speaker 3>a classic ninety style in a world trailer and it

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<v Speaker 3>says one man, not once, but twice.

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<v Speaker 4>All right, here we go.

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<v Speaker 5>We're all alone, no chaperone, head get on of the.

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<v Speaker 6>World and plumba.

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<v Speaker 5>That's miss became. There's something wild about your child's.

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<v Speaker 6>Let me be outrage.

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<v Speaker 3>Join Partner, Thanks partner, Let me go Max, I'm not

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<v Speaker 3>hurting anybody. Good to take you back in the year

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<v Speaker 3>two thousand and four, time travel is a reality.

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<v Speaker 4>Charge for the violations of TEC Code only penty.

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<v Speaker 5>Time travel intend to.

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<v Speaker 3>Alter the future and the crime. And it turns out

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<v Speaker 3>going back in time as a pretty easy way to

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<v Speaker 3>make money.

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<v Speaker 2>I think you got yourself and shipping of gold, and

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<v Speaker 2>you're taking a general way.

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<v Speaker 3>The genie is already out of the bottle.

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<v Speaker 4>The technology is there now.

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<v Speaker 3>One man, you hear the name Aaron McCole is about

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<v Speaker 3>to take the ultimate power trips. He's gonna be president.

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<v Speaker 3>You're gonna need the press. You don't need endorsements.

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<v Speaker 4>You don't need to either the truth if you need

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<v Speaker 4>money or to enforce the laws of time.

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<v Speaker 3>Are we still together in ten years? Am I dead?

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<v Speaker 3>When that is determined to stop? Here I can go

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<v Speaker 3>back to save her. This comeback.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not going back to still money.

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<v Speaker 3>Stay here, Walker, my future, your dad. I think it

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<v Speaker 3>planned to fore ahead. Jean Claude, Down Down, Run Silver Da.

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<v Speaker 4>Mia, Sarah, Yeah, I love it.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a kind of a funky trailer where it

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<v Speaker 2>starts off with that old timey nineteen twenty nine opening

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<v Speaker 2>before we get that noodling guitar riff to let you

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<v Speaker 2>know it's not the past anymore, baby, and then we

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<v Speaker 2>get the whole time travel scenario laid out for us

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<v Speaker 2>with dramatic narration by If I'm not mistaken, this is

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<v Speaker 2>Don la Fontaine, the voice of God himself. It's sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>a little hard to track down credentials on these trailers,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm like ninety nine percent sure this is Don Lafontaine.

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<v Speaker 2>And eventually they also go ahead and cap it off

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<v Speaker 2>with Another thing I love in particularly nineties trailers is

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<v Speaker 2>they just use James Horner's Alien score at the end,

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<v Speaker 2>that building bump bump bum bum bum bum bump bump

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<v Speaker 2>bump music. And you know, even though that's obviously not

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<v Speaker 2>the score for this film, they were like, Nope, that

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<v Speaker 2>Alien's score that really gets into people's bloodstream. We've got

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<v Speaker 2>to use that as much as possible to sell our films.

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<v Speaker 3>You have ten seconds to clear minimum safe distance. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>and it worked.

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<v Speaker 2>This movie did like financially clear minimum safe distance. And

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<v Speaker 2>then so this is a successful film, made money, made

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<v Speaker 2>people happy.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't go deep into the critical reaction to Timecop.

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<v Speaker 3>But it seems critics were sort of divided on it,

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<v Speaker 3>and a lot of the people who did like it

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<v Speaker 3>kind of gave it middling positive reviews. They said, like,

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<v Speaker 3>it's an okay ripoff of Terminator. Sometimes I read stuff

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<v Speaker 3>like that and I'm like, these same critics were giving

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<v Speaker 3>positive reviews to Steven Segall and Hard to Kill. What

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<v Speaker 3>was wrong with people? Like they just did not know

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<v Speaker 3>how to have fun correctly?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is a movie that it's it's kind of

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<v Speaker 2>like it's you know, it's like Ketchup in French Fries.

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<v Speaker 4>I guess, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like you can say, oh, we need to deconstruct this,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, what could we do to improve this set

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<v Speaker 2>or the other. But at the end of the day,

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's ketchup in French fries and and that's going

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<v Speaker 2>to that's going to please most of the people who

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<v Speaker 2>ordered it, knowing what they were ordering. So yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't get some of the criticism that it got, Like

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<v Speaker 2>Ebert gave it two stars, But again, Ibert Ebert's always

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<v Speaker 2>kind of an interesting litmus test for films like this

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<v Speaker 2>because Time Cop is exactly the sort of film that

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<v Speaker 2>I could see Roger Ebert giving at.

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<v Speaker 3>Least three stars too.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, maybe even a little more, you never know, But

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<v Speaker 2>in this case he was just very much in the

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<v Speaker 2>middle of the board on it.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it reminds me of Ebert's statement about how when

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<v Speaker 3>you're a child and you have the choice to watch

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<v Speaker 3>either Gamera, Guardian of the Universe or Air Force One,

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<v Speaker 3>the child knows that Gamera is better. But then when

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<v Speaker 3>you get older and more mature and you think yourself wise,

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<v Speaker 3>you think no air Force One, that is more realistic,

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<v Speaker 3>that is better. Then when you get older, once again

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<v Speaker 3>even wiser than that, maybe you gain true wisdom instead

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<v Speaker 3>of the fake, pretentious wisdom of young adulthood, you realize

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<v Speaker 3>no Gamera is better.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, all right.

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<v Speaker 2>If you want to watch Time Cop before we get

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<v Speaker 2>into the discussion here, well, lucky you. It's widely available digitally.

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<v Speaker 2>It's also on DVD and Blu Ray, though I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think it's been given any special treatment on Blu Ray

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<v Speaker 2>over the years. I could be wrong, but I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>find anything. All right, let's jump into the discussion of

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<v Speaker 2>the people who may this film. The director and cinematographer

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<v Speaker 2>is Peter Hyams born nineteen forty three. He was born

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<v Speaker 2>into a kind of show business family Broadway in theater,

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<v Speaker 2>and he eventually started off his career in TV journalism

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<v Speaker 2>in New York City, in Chicago and then Chicago. In

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen sixty six, he reported from Vietnam, I Believe for

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<v Speaker 2>New York City CBS affiliate, and it was during this

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<v Speaker 2>basic time period that he got into documentary filmmaking. He

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<v Speaker 2>sold his first screenplay, t R. Baskin to Paramount Pictures

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen seventy and it was produced in seventy one

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<v Speaker 2>that had Candice Bergen in the leading role. He started

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<v Speaker 2>directing as well on TV movies at first, but then

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<v Speaker 2>in seventy four he directed the comedy Busting, starring Elliott

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<v Speaker 2>Gould and Robert Blake as cops. Then came a pair

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<v Speaker 2>of dramas out Time and Pepper, both in nineteen seventy four,

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<v Speaker 2>but then in seventy seven he directed the fake Mars

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<v Speaker 2>landing thriller I Guess you could say It's a conspiracy

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<v Speaker 2>thriller capricorn I, and a number of big films Fought,

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<v Speaker 2>including eighty one's Outland, a gritty space western starring Sean Connery,

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<v Speaker 2>Peter Boyle and also a very early performance from Clark.

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<v Speaker 4>Peter.

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<v Speaker 2>So, I think we talked about Outline before. Have you

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<v Speaker 2>seen Outland, Joe?

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<v Speaker 4>I don't.

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<v Speaker 3>This is one of those movies. I really don't know

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<v Speaker 3>if I've seen it or not. If I have seen it,

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<v Speaker 3>it did not make an impression, but I know about it.

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<v Speaker 3>It's supposed to be like a remake of High Noon

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<v Speaker 3>in Space, right, Yeah, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Remember digging it many years ago.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>It might be too grimy for me now, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>like a grimy space western with Sean Connery as the

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<v Speaker 2>new sheriff in town. Peter Boyle is the corrupt mine owner,

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<v Speaker 2>and then a lot of people's heads blow up.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, well, maybe if I watch it I can figure

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<v Speaker 3>out if I have already watched it.

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<v Speaker 2>Another big one from Hyam's was two thousand and was

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<v Speaker 2>the two of the film from nineteen eighty four. Actually,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm already getting my ears confused here due to the

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<v Speaker 2>time travel anomalies. But twenty ten, the Year We Made Contact,

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<v Speaker 2>released in nineteen eighty four.

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<v Speaker 4>He directed that as well.

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<v Speaker 3>The sequel to two thousand and one, A Space Odyssey,

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<v Speaker 3>which twenty ten generally got pretty positive reviews, but it

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<v Speaker 3>seems like, I don't know, just kind of a misguided

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<v Speaker 3>idea trying to make a sequel to two thousand and one.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's not a film I've seen in its entirety before.

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<v Speaker 2>I had some friends were fans of it and like it.

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<v Speaker 2>Though you obviously go into it with certain understandings, like

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it's not going to be two thousand and one.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not the timeless classic the two thousand and one is.

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<v Speaker 2>But I've heard it's interesting as a mid eighties sci

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<v Speaker 2>fi movie. Now, the late eighties saw Hims direct some

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<v Speaker 2>mainstream thrillers, but then in the nineties we got ninety

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<v Speaker 2>two's Stay Tuned. One of the many Changing Channels movies.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the one that starred John Ritter. It would

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<v Speaker 2>be interesting to come back and watch one of the

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<v Speaker 2>many Changing Channels films in the future, because there were

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<v Speaker 2>a number of of them. I want to say Charles

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<v Speaker 2>Band was involved in at least one of these. It

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<v Speaker 2>just kind of a weird bug that got into everyone's

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<v Speaker 2>mind based on the whole wide realm of cable television

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<v Speaker 2>and satellite TV channels. And then of course came time

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<v Speaker 2>cop He followed this up with another Jean Claude van

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<v Speaker 2>Dam film, Sudden Death co starring Powers Booth. Then came

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety seven's monster film The Relic, followed by a

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<v Speaker 2>ninety nine's End of Days that's an Arnold schwarzenegtive versus

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<v Speaker 2>Satan movie. Then there's a two thousand and one Musketeer film,

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<v Speaker 2>the two thousand and five film Adaptation of A Sound

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<v Speaker 2>of Thunder, which, if I remember correctly, is one of

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<v Speaker 2>our listener's favorite films, or at least one that he

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<v Speaker 2>regularly communally watches with some friends.

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<v Speaker 4>Is that the case?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you remember this, listener mail?

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe? Well, this might have come up after I mentioned

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<v Speaker 3>the movie adaptation of A Sound of Thunder, which I

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<v Speaker 3>noted as being quite bad. Well, it's an adaptation of

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<v Speaker 3>a Ray Bradbury story about the like the Butterfly fact,

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<v Speaker 3>so it's a you know, time travel thing, but I

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<v Speaker 3>think it ends up with these like lizard baboons attacking

0:24:05.440 --> 0:24:09.720
<v Speaker 3>people in the future, and it's got Ben Kingsley obviously

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<v Speaker 3>thinking about what time the bank closes while he's shooting

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<v Speaker 3>his scenes.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess I haven't seen that one, but there was

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<v Speaker 2>a Ray Bradberry theater adaptation up.

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<v Speaker 4>It was pretty good, all right.

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<v Speaker 2>So for Peter Hyams, his last movie, his last directorial

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<v Speaker 2>credit was twenty thirteen's Enemies Closer, and that one also

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<v Speaker 2>starred Jean Claude van Dam as the villain, apparently at

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<v Speaker 2>Hyam's request, like they brought him in. He's like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll direct this, but I know who you need to

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<v Speaker 2>cast as the villain is John Claud Bend And.

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<v Speaker 3>It worked well together.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I guess. So, you know, the three different films

0:24:43.560 --> 0:24:47.520
<v Speaker 2>they worked on. And his son, John Hyam is also

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<v Speaker 2>pretty much in the Jean Claude van Dam business, having

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<v Speaker 2>worked on two thousand and nine's Universal Soldier Regeneration and

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twelve Universal Soldier Day of Reckoning.

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<v Speaker 3>I did not realize the Universal Soldier series had hit

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<v Speaker 3>the colon abstract noun phase.

0:25:05.960 --> 0:25:08.879
<v Speaker 2>Yep, yep they did. And you know, I think I

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<v Speaker 2>remember reading some not bad things about these these later

0:25:13.080 --> 0:25:16.720
<v Speaker 2>Jean Claud van Dam Universal Soldier movies, you know, Regeneration

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<v Speaker 2>and Day of Reckoning. I can't remember which one is

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<v Speaker 2>supposed to be good, or if they're both good.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Take that with a grain of salt.

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<v Speaker 3>I got an idea. Jetson's Meat Flintstone's kind of crossover event.

0:25:26.640 --> 0:25:31.560
<v Speaker 3>It's Universal Soldier meets hell Raiser. What do you think.

0:25:32.200 --> 0:25:34.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it'd be good for the hell Raiser franchise. I

0:25:35.000 --> 0:25:37.040
<v Speaker 2>think it needs that kind of shot in the arm

0:25:37.320 --> 0:25:39.800
<v Speaker 2>cross it over, cross it over. There was a you know,

0:25:40.240 --> 0:25:42.359
<v Speaker 2>speaking of it, there's a tangent, but there was a

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if it was any good or not.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I looked at one of them. But somebody

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<v Speaker 2>did a hell Raiser versus.

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<v Speaker 4>Cabal.

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<v Speaker 2>What is it Night Breed hell Raiser versus Nightbreed comic

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<v Speaker 2>book back in the day like that. That sounds interesting,

0:25:55.640 --> 0:25:55.960
<v Speaker 2>Go for that.

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<v Speaker 3>But they're both Clive Barker things, aren't they.

0:25:59.760 --> 0:25:59.960
<v Speaker 5>Yeah?

0:26:00.040 --> 0:26:02.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, okay, yeah. I mean you could go outside

0:26:02.880 --> 0:26:04.359
<v Speaker 2>the Clive Barker. I mean, you could keep it in

0:26:04.400 --> 0:26:06.920
<v Speaker 2>Clive Barker. It could be hell Raiser versus raw Head Rex.

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<v Speaker 2>That could be interesting.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, he has a rich world, rich literary world

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<v Speaker 2>that he created. Now, speaking of comic books, we should

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<v Speaker 2>note that Time Cop is based on a Dark Horse

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<v Speaker 2>Comics comic book series by the same name by Mark V.

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<v Speaker 2>Hayden and Mike Richardson, who also have story and screenplay

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<v Speaker 2>credits on the film. Richardson also created the comic book

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<v Speaker 2>The Mask and yes it is the Mask that is

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<v Speaker 2>the basis for the Jim Carrey movie. And Mark had

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<v Speaker 2>a story credit on the first movie you mean the

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<v Speaker 2>first Mask movie, the first Mask movie, The Mask Starr

0:26:45.160 --> 0:26:48.399
<v Speaker 2>starring Jim Carrey, that also came out in nineteen ninety four.

0:26:48.480 --> 0:26:51.639
<v Speaker 2>So this was a big deal for these two. The

0:26:51.760 --> 0:26:56.560
<v Speaker 2>dark Horse Comics world really got to come out firing

0:26:56.600 --> 0:26:59.240
<v Speaker 2>and all cylinders here, and both of these individuals remain

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<v Speaker 2>active in writing and producing now, specifically Mark v. Heiden

0:27:03.359 --> 0:27:05.880
<v Speaker 2>on this he has screenplay, story and comic series credit.

0:27:06.000 --> 0:27:09.960
<v Speaker 2>Born fifty six. After nineteen eighty four, he went on

0:27:10.040 --> 0:27:12.680
<v Speaker 2>to write an episode of Perversions of Science. This is

0:27:12.720 --> 0:27:15.159
<v Speaker 2>a would be sci fi tales from the Crypt with

0:27:15.280 --> 0:27:20.280
<v Speaker 2>a terrible VR sexy robot as the show's keeper. And

0:27:20.400 --> 0:27:22.760
<v Speaker 2>then there he did nine episodes of the Time Coop

0:27:22.840 --> 0:27:28.160
<v Speaker 2>TV series, and eventually such shows as Smallville, The Battlesarcalactica, Reboot, Heroes,

0:27:28.320 --> 0:27:31.920
<v Speaker 2>Falling Skies, The Kind of Flash in the Pan twenty

0:27:32.040 --> 0:27:35.359
<v Speaker 2>nineteen reboot of Swamp Thing. I don't know if that

0:27:35.480 --> 0:27:36.840
<v Speaker 2>might have been good, but it just came out at

0:27:36.880 --> 0:27:39.639
<v Speaker 2>a bad time and seemed to have some platform issues,

0:27:40.240 --> 0:27:42.320
<v Speaker 2>and he has production credits on all of those. His

0:27:42.640 --> 0:27:46.399
<v Speaker 2>next project is actually writing and eping a hell Raiser

0:27:46.480 --> 0:27:50.520
<v Speaker 2>series for HBO Max. I did not know this was coming, Okay, Yeah,

0:27:50.720 --> 0:27:54.040
<v Speaker 2>I have my doubts about it. I mean nothing against

0:27:54.880 --> 0:27:57.960
<v Speaker 2>this creator. I just have doubts that there's anything left

0:27:58.000 --> 0:27:59.560
<v Speaker 2>in the tank on hell Raiser that is.

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<v Speaker 3>No prible a twenty six episode season arc cannot solve.

0:28:04.920 --> 0:28:08.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll see. I mean, I wish them

0:28:08.240 --> 0:28:10.840
<v Speaker 2>the best. I hope it's good, all right. Mike Richardson,

0:28:10.880 --> 0:28:14.080
<v Speaker 2>on the other hand, screenplay story comics series also credit

0:28:14.160 --> 0:28:17.760
<v Speaker 2>on this also EP born nineteen fifty, the founder of

0:28:17.840 --> 0:28:21.240
<v Speaker 2>dark Horse Comics. Mike's writing credits have been limited or

0:28:21.320 --> 0:28:24.159
<v Speaker 2>more limited compared to his partner on this film, mostly

0:28:24.359 --> 0:28:28.280
<v Speaker 2>character credits on Mask franchise stuff, but he served as

0:28:28.359 --> 0:28:31.399
<v Speaker 2>executive producer on such films as twenty sixteen's The Legend

0:28:31.440 --> 0:28:34.680
<v Speaker 2>of Tarzan, twenty nineteen's hell Boy That's the more recent

0:28:34.720 --> 0:28:39.240
<v Speaker 2>hell Boy film, and both RIPD movies. In comics. However,

0:28:39.320 --> 0:28:41.400
<v Speaker 2>it's notable that he was also a writer on the

0:28:41.520 --> 0:28:44.920
<v Speaker 2>Star Wars Crimson Empire comics series that I've heard good

0:28:45.000 --> 0:28:47.440
<v Speaker 2>things about. And he also apparently wrote on Time Cop

0:28:48.040 --> 0:28:51.160
<v Speaker 2>the comic book. All Right, you know, you didn't come

0:28:51.160 --> 0:28:53.040
<v Speaker 2>here to hear about the people who wrote this, though.

0:28:53.520 --> 0:28:56.480
<v Speaker 2>You want to hear about Jean Claude van Dam, who

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<v Speaker 2>plays Walker the titular Time Cop nineteen sixty. Yep, it's

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<v Speaker 2>the Muscles from Brussels, Dutch born martial artist turned actor

0:29:05.640 --> 0:29:08.520
<v Speaker 2>who also studied ballet for several years in his teens.

0:29:09.120 --> 0:29:11.120
<v Speaker 2>And I've read that Jean Claud van Dam himself has

0:29:11.120 --> 0:29:14.760
<v Speaker 2>attributed ballet for the grace of his movement, so he

0:29:14.880 --> 0:29:17.760
<v Speaker 2>kind of combines the grace of ballet with the power

0:29:17.800 --> 0:29:18.320
<v Speaker 2>of karate.

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<v Speaker 3>He is very graceful, and what he lacks in Arnold

0:29:22.320 --> 0:29:27.440
<v Speaker 3>Schwarzenegger type of bulk he has in agility. There's a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of like jumping and the kind of impossible kick

0:29:30.680 --> 0:29:32.000
<v Speaker 3>postures in this film.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and there's a lot of fluidity to the way

0:29:35.000 --> 0:29:38.080
<v Speaker 2>he moves that works well on screen as well. So

0:29:38.280 --> 0:29:40.160
<v Speaker 2>he and a friend moved to Hollywood in the early

0:29:40.280 --> 0:29:44.080
<v Speaker 2>eighties to seek acting glory. So his early credits are

0:29:44.400 --> 0:29:47.040
<v Speaker 2>mostly I mean most of it aren't even even credits

0:29:47.160 --> 0:29:50.480
<v Speaker 2>those uncredited background roles for the most part, but he

0:29:50.560 --> 0:29:53.680
<v Speaker 2>ended up befriending and sparring with Chuck Norris. He also

0:29:53.720 --> 0:29:57.440
<v Speaker 2>did some bodyguard work at Norris's bar called Woody's Wharf,

0:29:57.480 --> 0:30:00.280
<v Speaker 2>which is apparently still around under different ownership. You can

0:30:00.360 --> 0:30:02.960
<v Speaker 2>you can look it up as a website and everything.

0:30:03.680 --> 0:30:06.720
<v Speaker 2>But his first role, Jean Claude Vandam's first real role

0:30:06.760 --> 0:30:10.360
<v Speaker 2>of note is the villain in the bonkers movie No Retreat,

0:30:10.480 --> 0:30:13.200
<v Speaker 2>No Surrender, in which and I think I've seen this.

0:30:13.280 --> 0:30:14.840
<v Speaker 2>I think I watched the riff tracks version of this,

0:30:15.680 --> 0:30:19.400
<v Speaker 2>a riff of this. The plot is Kurt McKinney is

0:30:19.480 --> 0:30:23.000
<v Speaker 2>training with Bruce Lee's ghost so that he can ultimately

0:30:23.080 --> 0:30:27.479
<v Speaker 2>defeat even the Russian Krashyinsky played by Jean Claude Van Dam.

0:30:27.760 --> 0:30:29.720
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna feel like I'm losing my mind if I'm

0:30:29.720 --> 0:30:32.320
<v Speaker 3>wrong about this, but I think this is the movie

0:30:32.480 --> 0:30:36.880
<v Speaker 3>that I saw Rift live by some former cast members

0:30:36.920 --> 0:30:38.520
<v Speaker 3>of Mystery Science Theater three thousand.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, now I'm unsure. Maybe I know I saw

0:30:43.160 --> 0:30:45.960
<v Speaker 2>it Rift, but I'm a little foggy on if it

0:30:46.120 --> 0:30:49.480
<v Speaker 2>was on the screen or live or what. So one

0:30:49.520 --> 0:30:52.040
<v Speaker 2>way or another. We've seen this gem of the motion

0:30:52.200 --> 0:30:55.040
<v Speaker 2>picture for the most part. However, this was not people's

0:30:55.120 --> 0:30:58.480
<v Speaker 2>first in their introduction to Jean Claude van Dam. For this,

0:30:58.680 --> 0:31:01.680
<v Speaker 2>we really need to consider night He mediates. Blood Sport

0:31:01.800 --> 0:31:05.240
<v Speaker 2>one of the most iconic Western martial arts films of

0:31:05.480 --> 0:31:09.600
<v Speaker 2>that era. It introduced John Claude Van Dam's just I

0:31:09.640 --> 0:31:12.840
<v Speaker 2>guess his trademark move, which is doing the splits while

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<v Speaker 2>violently punching or shoving somebody in the crock. Probably a punch,

0:31:17.440 --> 0:31:19.480
<v Speaker 2>I guess, Maybe it's a chop. I can't see because

0:31:19.520 --> 0:31:20.320
<v Speaker 2>he's all up in there.

0:31:20.880 --> 0:31:24.160
<v Speaker 3>This was parodied in Mortal Kombat because this is also

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<v Speaker 3>what Johnny Cage does in the Mortal Commer character. Johnny

0:31:27.200 --> 0:31:29.280
<v Speaker 3>Cage is a parody of Jean Claude van Dam.

0:31:30.120 --> 0:31:33.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and blood Sport. This is a film I haven't

0:31:33.040 --> 0:31:34.920
<v Speaker 2>seen in a long time, but I remember it being

0:31:35.120 --> 0:31:38.360
<v Speaker 2>a lot of goofy fun. It has Donald Gibb in it,

0:31:39.080 --> 0:31:43.600
<v Speaker 2>plays this lovable biker. Bolo Jung is in it playing

0:31:43.680 --> 0:31:47.239
<v Speaker 2>this just you know, super intimidating martial artists, and then

0:31:47.280 --> 0:31:48.800
<v Speaker 2>Forrest Whittaker is in it as well. I do not

0:31:48.880 --> 0:31:50.800
<v Speaker 2>remember Farrest Whittaker from this film.

0:31:51.120 --> 0:31:52.160
<v Speaker 4>But he is in the credits.

0:31:52.360 --> 0:31:55.960
<v Speaker 3>It's like he's playing a fed of some kind. Hmm, okay,

0:31:55.960 --> 0:31:58.440
<v Speaker 3>it makes sense, you know, it's interesting. I don't quite

0:31:58.680 --> 0:32:01.400
<v Speaker 3>think I realized that John Claude van Dam doing the

0:32:01.480 --> 0:32:04.600
<v Speaker 3>splits and punching someone in the crotch was his signature move.

0:32:04.760 --> 0:32:07.280
<v Speaker 3>But of course it makes sense with the Johnny Cage

0:32:07.320 --> 0:32:10.200
<v Speaker 3>connection and in time cop I don't think he ever

0:32:10.360 --> 0:32:13.720
<v Speaker 3>does that, but he does both elements of that independently

0:32:13.920 --> 0:32:18.360
<v Speaker 3>multiple times. So there are prominent splits and prominent groin

0:32:18.480 --> 0:32:19.440
<v Speaker 3>punches and kicks.

0:32:19.920 --> 0:32:21.960
<v Speaker 2>It's weird to try and figure out, Like maybe it's

0:32:22.080 --> 0:32:24.080
<v Speaker 2>just I mean, the splitz make sense, like this is

0:32:24.120 --> 0:32:28.120
<v Speaker 2>a great physical stunt that he is capable of. If

0:32:28.160 --> 0:32:31.240
<v Speaker 2>there is even a faint reason to have him do

0:32:31.280 --> 0:32:33.320
<v Speaker 2>it in your film, you go ahead and incorporated into

0:32:33.360 --> 0:32:35.720
<v Speaker 2>the plot. It's what the people want to see. The

0:32:35.920 --> 0:32:39.400
<v Speaker 2>violence to the crotch. However, while part of that original

0:32:39.480 --> 0:32:43.160
<v Speaker 2>trademark move is not necessarily required, but I don't know,

0:32:43.240 --> 0:32:46.640
<v Speaker 2>maybe there's some sort of thematic link there, Like the

0:32:46.800 --> 0:32:49.640
<v Speaker 2>idea of doing the splits is maybe kind of painful

0:32:50.360 --> 0:32:53.000
<v Speaker 2>in your mind. If you cannot do the splits yourself,

0:32:53.520 --> 0:32:56.720
<v Speaker 2>and therefore it's just a short walk to somebody just

0:32:56.800 --> 0:32:58.520
<v Speaker 2>being like punched in the groin.

0:32:58.960 --> 0:33:00.760
<v Speaker 3>There's a lot of it into Time Cup, though in

0:33:00.840 --> 0:33:03.120
<v Speaker 3>Time Cup there's at least I think one major kick

0:33:03.200 --> 0:33:05.480
<v Speaker 3>to the groin. There's a scene where he's like sort

0:33:05.480 --> 0:33:08.920
<v Speaker 3>of drumming on a guy's groin with sticks, and then

0:33:09.040 --> 0:33:11.960
<v Speaker 3>there are there in the Final Showdown, there are some

0:33:12.160 --> 0:33:14.120
<v Speaker 3>guns to the groin of the villains.

0:33:15.000 --> 0:33:16.840
<v Speaker 4>Yes, so, I don't know.

0:33:16.920 --> 0:33:18.720
<v Speaker 3>It seems like it was a recurring theme. It was

0:33:18.800 --> 0:33:20.560
<v Speaker 3>on their minds for some reason.

0:33:21.040 --> 0:33:23.680
<v Speaker 2>And somehow us describing it makes it sound more violent

0:33:23.760 --> 0:33:25.680
<v Speaker 2>than it actually comes off in the film. I don't

0:33:25.680 --> 0:33:28.680
<v Speaker 2>know why that is, but I don't know. It's very

0:33:28.800 --> 0:33:32.840
<v Speaker 2>video game esque, I guess in the end. Yeah, anyway,

0:33:33.000 --> 0:33:35.320
<v Speaker 2>back to Jean Claude van Dam. In nineteen eighty nine,

0:33:35.320 --> 0:33:39.080
<v Speaker 2>he ventured into sci fi properly with Albert Pyune's Cyborg,

0:33:39.720 --> 0:33:42.320
<v Speaker 2>and then there's just a whole string of Van Dam flicks.

0:33:42.720 --> 0:33:47.080
<v Speaker 2>There's nineteen nineties Lionheart with Brian Thompson, nineteen nineties Death Warrant.

0:33:47.200 --> 0:33:50.280
<v Speaker 2>That one was pinned by David Goyer. There's nineteen ninety

0:33:50.320 --> 0:33:53.560
<v Speaker 2>one's double impact. This is double the Van Dam in

0:33:53.640 --> 0:33:56.800
<v Speaker 2>which he plays twins and also Bolo Jung is back

0:33:56.840 --> 0:33:57.880
<v Speaker 2>to beat up on them.

0:33:58.360 --> 0:34:00.320
<v Speaker 3>You know, Van Dam was optioned to play the Twins

0:34:00.360 --> 0:34:01.120
<v Speaker 3>and dead Ringers.

0:34:03.520 --> 0:34:06.440
<v Speaker 2>That would have been a very, very different film.

0:34:06.720 --> 0:34:08.680
<v Speaker 3>It's we need it.

0:34:08.719 --> 0:34:10.080
<v Speaker 2>I don't know that we've done it. Have we done

0:34:10.080 --> 0:34:11.320
<v Speaker 2>a Twins movie before?

0:34:12.680 --> 0:34:14.600
<v Speaker 3>No, I don't think so. I don't want to do

0:34:14.719 --> 0:34:15.400
<v Speaker 3>dead Ringers.

0:34:15.880 --> 0:34:17.799
<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, I don't want to do dead Ringers either.

0:34:17.880 --> 0:34:21.640
<v Speaker 2>But there's there's a lot to say about it because

0:34:22.040 --> 0:34:24.440
<v Speaker 2>on an acting level, it seems like actives of a

0:34:24.480 --> 0:34:27.120
<v Speaker 2>certain caliber will get to play twins at some point,

0:34:27.400 --> 0:34:29.239
<v Speaker 2>and it's you know, it's like the challenge of it.

0:34:29.640 --> 0:34:31.480
<v Speaker 2>But then also you get people like Van Dam and

0:34:31.560 --> 0:34:35.440
<v Speaker 2>I love Van Dam's performance, but he's not on the

0:34:35.560 --> 0:34:37.920
<v Speaker 2>acting level. He's not the pure acting talent where you're like,

0:34:38.080 --> 0:34:42.640
<v Speaker 2>I need him to play opposite himself as twins. You know,

0:34:43.960 --> 0:34:46.240
<v Speaker 2>it seems like it's better left for like the Jeremy

0:34:46.280 --> 0:34:47.040
<v Speaker 2>Irons of the world.

0:34:47.480 --> 0:34:49.680
<v Speaker 3>I'm sure there is a good Twins movie we could do.

0:34:49.800 --> 0:34:51.120
<v Speaker 3>We'll have to come back to that.

0:34:51.760 --> 0:34:55.279
<v Speaker 2>Okay, all right. Ninety two he does Universal Soldier This

0:34:55.400 --> 0:34:58.239
<v Speaker 2>is Roland Emericks Super Soldier movie in which he takes

0:34:58.280 --> 0:35:01.279
<v Speaker 2>on Dolph Lundren and and he also starred in ninety

0:35:01.280 --> 0:35:04.040
<v Speaker 2>three's Hard Target from John Wu opposite Lance Hendrickson, and

0:35:04.080 --> 0:35:06.719
<v Speaker 2>then ninety four he was in the feature film adaptation

0:35:06.840 --> 0:35:10.040
<v Speaker 2>of Street Fighter, a film of such just crazy good

0:35:10.160 --> 0:35:13.600
<v Speaker 2>casting and Bonker's energy that I think we will have

0:35:13.680 --> 0:35:14.239
<v Speaker 2>to come back.

0:35:14.160 --> 0:35:16.520
<v Speaker 3>To it at some point, maybe on a Tuesday.

0:35:16.680 --> 0:35:17.120
<v Speaker 4>We'll do that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, special Tuesday edition. So the Jean claud van damtrain

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<v Speaker 2>continues to keep on rolling after all of that. Highlights

0:35:25.920 --> 0:35:30.360
<v Speaker 2>include ninety seven's Double Team co starring Dennis Rodman, Mickey Rourke,

0:35:30.440 --> 0:35:34.200
<v Speaker 2>and Paul Freeman of all People. Other highlights include ninety

0:35:34.239 --> 0:35:37.000
<v Speaker 2>nine The Universal Soldier of the Return, two thousand and

0:35:37.000 --> 0:35:41.120
<v Speaker 2>one's The Order There's two thousand and eight's JCVD we

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<v Speaker 2>mentioned Regeneration Kung Fu Panda two also gets into voice acting.

0:35:45.800 --> 0:35:49.440
<v Speaker 2>The Expendables two. Also the TV series Jean Claude van

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<v Speaker 2>Johnson two kick Boxer sequels. I think at least they

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<v Speaker 2>have kick Kickboxer on the name, and then he's also

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<v Speaker 2>a voice talent in minions.

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<v Speaker 3>The Rise of Grouse Grew Is Grew one of the minions.

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<v Speaker 2>I think Grew is the minion Master.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

0:36:07.320 --> 0:36:11.520
<v Speaker 2>I haven't seen these movies. He's what they're minions of. Yes, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, so that's our hero. But you can't have

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<v Speaker 2>a hero without a villain. And we know from other

0:36:16.719 --> 0:36:19.920
<v Speaker 2>films if your hero is also like a muscly action

0:36:20.760 --> 0:36:24.320
<v Speaker 2>guy with maybe less acting chops, it makes sense to

0:36:24.440 --> 0:36:28.800
<v Speaker 2>have a seasoned veteran actor to play off of to

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<v Speaker 2>be your antagonist. And that's what we have in this

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<v Speaker 2>film with Ron Silver.

0:36:34.400 --> 0:36:37.560
<v Speaker 3>I love Ron Silver in Time Cop. He is just

0:36:37.680 --> 0:36:41.359
<v Speaker 3>the smoothest, sleaziest Oh he's great.

0:36:42.200 --> 0:36:46.520
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, it's it's a very fun performance. Ron Silver, Yeah,

0:36:46.560 --> 0:36:50.600
<v Speaker 2>plays Senator Aaron McComb. Silver lived nineteen forty six through

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<v Speaker 2>two thousand and nine. He's the corrupt US senator who

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<v Speaker 2>harnesses the power of time travel to advance his own

0:36:56.400 --> 0:37:01.640
<v Speaker 2>political ambitions. Just a really mean guy. Silver himself came

0:37:01.719 --> 0:37:04.240
<v Speaker 2>up on TV and transitioned into small parts in film.

0:37:04.680 --> 0:37:07.560
<v Speaker 2>He starred in the CD supernatural thriller The Entity in

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty two. He had a supporting role in eighty

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<v Speaker 2>three Silkwood. He plays a vendor. Apparently in nineteen eighty

0:37:13.440 --> 0:37:17.320
<v Speaker 2>four is Romancing the Stone, which I don't remember. That

0:37:17.520 --> 0:37:22.000
<v Speaker 2>same year he appeared in Hurley Burley on Broadway, followed

0:37:22.040 --> 0:37:26.000
<v Speaker 2>by another Broadway play, Social Security, and then in nineteen

0:37:26.000 --> 0:37:28.800
<v Speaker 2>eighty eight he won a Tony Award for his performance

0:37:28.840 --> 0:37:32.239
<v Speaker 2>in the Broadway play Speed the Plow. From there, we

0:37:32.360 --> 0:37:34.440
<v Speaker 2>see him take on some of the biggest and notable

0:37:34.520 --> 0:37:37.680
<v Speaker 2>roles of his career, the lead in nineteen eighty nine's

0:37:37.800 --> 0:37:41.719
<v Speaker 2>Enemies a Love Story, the villain role in Catherine Bigelow's

0:37:41.760 --> 0:37:45.320
<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety thriller Blue Steel, and the role of Alan

0:37:45.360 --> 0:37:50.280
<v Speaker 2>Dershowitz in nineteen nineties Reversal of Fortune opposite Jeremy Irons

0:37:50.320 --> 0:37:52.560
<v Speaker 2>and Glenn Close as the Von Bulohs.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's a film adaptation of a creepy, real life,

0:37:56.440 --> 0:37:58.840
<v Speaker 3>famous court case that in a lot of ways I

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<v Speaker 3>think prefigures the sort of a true crime podcast obsession.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, it's I've never seen it in full. I

0:38:07.800 --> 0:38:10.040
<v Speaker 2>remember when it came out as a young person. I

0:38:10.080 --> 0:38:14.520
<v Speaker 2>remember hearing about it through the media, so I have it.

0:38:14.560 --> 0:38:16.440
<v Speaker 2>It's still in my head. It's like Reversal of Fortune

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<v Speaker 2>is a big deal because it was like, there's a

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<v Speaker 2>whole thing about in Time magazine and my grandpa, so

0:38:21.400 --> 0:38:25.799
<v Speaker 2>it must be really important. But yeah, also very much

0:38:25.840 --> 0:38:28.319
<v Speaker 2>a true crime sort of story, and I have gone

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<v Speaker 2>back and watched clips of it, and Silver's great as Dershowitz.

0:38:32.560 --> 0:38:34.960
<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of nuance to his performance. It's really

0:38:35.000 --> 0:38:38.120
<v Speaker 2>fun to watch. But anyway, probably due in large part

0:38:38.200 --> 0:38:41.520
<v Speaker 2>to that villain performance in Blue Steel. He is cast

0:38:41.560 --> 0:38:43.840
<v Speaker 2>as the villain in Time Cop and his old discuss.

0:38:43.920 --> 0:38:46.680
<v Speaker 2>It's a lot of fun. He also appeared in nineteen

0:38:46.760 --> 0:38:50.880
<v Speaker 2>ninety six is The Arrival, written and directed by David Toohey. Toohey,

0:38:50.920 --> 0:38:52.800
<v Speaker 2>of course would go on to work with Vin Diesel

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<v Speaker 2>on the Riddick movies, and it's still working with him

0:38:55.200 --> 0:38:57.759
<v Speaker 2>on Riddick movies. Silver worked pretty steadily through the rest

0:38:57.800 --> 0:39:00.319
<v Speaker 2>of his career, with one of the highlights probably being

0:39:00.400 --> 0:39:02.959
<v Speaker 2>a recurring role in The West Wing. And it's also

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<v Speaker 2>of note that he directed and acted in a nineteen

0:39:05.760 --> 0:39:08.400
<v Speaker 2>ninety three TV movie called Life Pod, which is a

0:39:08.640 --> 0:39:12.800
<v Speaker 2>sci fi take on Hitchcock's Lifeboat huh oh. And this

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<v Speaker 2>is also interesting. Doesn't really reflect his performance here, but

0:39:16.200 --> 0:39:19.200
<v Speaker 2>Silver apparently had a master's degree in Chinese history and

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<v Speaker 2>apparently spoke fluent Mandarin.

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<v Speaker 3>So I had no idea.

0:39:22.880 --> 0:39:23.479
<v Speaker 4>I had no idea.

0:39:23.640 --> 0:39:26.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so his performance in this film maybe lacks the

0:39:27.000 --> 0:39:31.600
<v Speaker 2>nuance of reversal of fortune, but it's still like he's

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<v Speaker 2>all in and he's not phoned in this baby and

0:39:34.000 --> 0:39:36.759
<v Speaker 2>thinking about when the bank's closing, or at least if

0:39:36.800 --> 0:39:39.160
<v Speaker 2>he is, he's going for the bank as well. Because yeah,

0:39:39.239 --> 0:39:42.160
<v Speaker 2>it's a very energetic performance. And since this is a

0:39:42.239 --> 0:39:44.800
<v Speaker 2>time travel movie, he's playing his character both in the

0:39:44.840 --> 0:39:47.640
<v Speaker 2>future and in the present, or in the present and

0:39:47.760 --> 0:39:49.279
<v Speaker 2>in the past, depending on how you look at it.

0:39:49.400 --> 0:39:51.400
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, two different versions of the same character,

0:39:51.760 --> 0:39:52.600
<v Speaker 2>which is kind of fun.

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<v Speaker 3>I think he's excellent in this movie. He just fantastic

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<v Speaker 3>as the slimy, rich guy politician villain. I don't know

0:40:00.719 --> 0:40:02.879
<v Speaker 3>if this is best to talk about here or later.

0:40:03.239 --> 0:40:05.160
<v Speaker 3>Maybe we should go ahead and do it here, because

0:40:05.239 --> 0:40:07.320
<v Speaker 3>there was something rob You flag this to me, and

0:40:07.440 --> 0:40:09.480
<v Speaker 3>I couldn't help but notice it as well. It's kind

0:40:09.480 --> 0:40:12.680
<v Speaker 3>of unsettling about his character. So I'll just say the

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<v Speaker 3>villain of this movie is a very rich guy who

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<v Speaker 3>prominently who famously has lost a lot of money due

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<v Speaker 3>to some stupid business decisions. He is a narcissistic bully

0:40:26.160 --> 0:40:30.440
<v Speaker 3>who constantly abuses his underlings. He runs for president on

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<v Speaker 3>a theory that he doesn't need endorsements from respected figures

0:40:34.600 --> 0:40:36.920
<v Speaker 3>or the truth on his side. He just needs to

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<v Speaker 3>be on television NonStop. One of his signature campaign themes

0:40:41.719 --> 0:40:45.600
<v Speaker 3>seems to be anti immigration sentiment. He notably eats a

0:40:45.640 --> 0:40:48.640
<v Speaker 3>lot of junk food. He promises that he's going to

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<v Speaker 3>make America like it was the eighties again. Part of

0:40:52.440 --> 0:40:54.880
<v Speaker 3>his pitch for the presidency is that he'll be so

0:40:55.200 --> 0:40:58.200
<v Speaker 3>rich he can't be bought off. And there's one part

0:40:58.239 --> 0:41:00.400
<v Speaker 3>where I can't remember what he did, think he's just

0:41:00.520 --> 0:41:03.200
<v Speaker 3>murdered somebody or something, And the character says, maybe he'll

0:41:03.239 --> 0:41:06.560
<v Speaker 3>calm down after the election, you know, maybe he'll grow

0:41:06.640 --> 0:41:09.360
<v Speaker 3>to meet the occasion once he understands the seriousness of

0:41:09.400 --> 0:41:14.160
<v Speaker 3>the office. So, yeah, interesting character in this nineteen ninety

0:41:14.160 --> 0:41:14.720
<v Speaker 3>four movie.

0:41:16.480 --> 0:41:18.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Yeah, it's kind of ahead of its time in

0:41:18.560 --> 0:41:24.560
<v Speaker 2>that respect. It's a yeah, great villain role, great villain performance. Yeah,

0:41:24.600 --> 0:41:27.239
<v Speaker 2>he's even hard on his past self. So there's in

0:41:27.320 --> 0:41:29.800
<v Speaker 2>a sense, there's negative self talk in this film because

0:41:29.840 --> 0:41:32.160
<v Speaker 2>he he even gives his past self a hard time

0:41:32.600 --> 0:41:33.719
<v Speaker 2>over the gentle food.

0:41:33.840 --> 0:41:35.680
<v Speaker 3>In a scene in which I think he also like

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<v Speaker 3>shoots a business partner in the head.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, all right.

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<v Speaker 2>The other of the three top build actors on the

0:41:50.840 --> 0:41:54.520
<v Speaker 2>cast is MIAs Sarah playing Melissa. Mia Sarah is born

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<v Speaker 2>in sixty seven. While she had one small role on

0:41:58.320 --> 0:41:59.960
<v Speaker 2>an episode of All in the Family in eighty three,

0:42:00.360 --> 0:42:03.480
<v Speaker 2>her career was launched in a major way when she

0:42:03.600 --> 0:42:07.120
<v Speaker 2>played Lily in Ridley Scott's nineteen eighty five dark fantasy

0:42:07.200 --> 0:42:09.320
<v Speaker 2>film Legend opposite Tom Cruise.

0:42:09.840 --> 0:42:12.600
<v Speaker 3>Legend is a film I think you and I have

0:42:12.760 --> 0:42:16.560
<v Speaker 3>discussed the sort of mixed merits and demerits of before.

0:42:17.840 --> 0:42:19.959
<v Speaker 3>It's a weird movie to go back and experience because

0:42:19.960 --> 0:42:22.040
<v Speaker 3>there's a lot about it that's really good and a

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<v Speaker 3>lot about it that is kind of boring actually, and

0:42:26.400 --> 0:42:28.080
<v Speaker 3>or I don't know, maybe you didn't agree with me

0:42:28.200 --> 0:42:30.080
<v Speaker 3>on that, but it's like the kind of movie you

0:42:30.160 --> 0:42:33.920
<v Speaker 3>can't really recommend because overall it's not that great. But

0:42:34.080 --> 0:42:36.480
<v Speaker 3>also I kind of find myself wanting to bring it

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<v Speaker 3>up a lot. At least Tim Curry in it, or

0:42:38.360 --> 0:42:39.640
<v Speaker 3>the music in it or whatever.

0:42:40.520 --> 0:42:42.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it has a lot going for and it's a

0:42:42.200 --> 0:42:44.160
<v Speaker 2>Ridley Scott film, so you know, at the very least

0:42:44.360 --> 0:42:46.759
<v Speaker 2>it's going to beautiful to look at. I haven't given

0:42:46.800 --> 0:42:49.480
<v Speaker 2>it a dedicated viewing since I was like in junior

0:42:49.560 --> 0:42:51.480
<v Speaker 2>high or something. I think when I've had it on

0:42:51.920 --> 0:42:54.400
<v Speaker 2>since then, it's been in the background or something. So

0:42:54.480 --> 0:42:57.320
<v Speaker 2>it's one i'd have to come back and revisit. But

0:42:57.440 --> 0:42:59.400
<v Speaker 2>it's one I want to revisit. I have a lot

0:42:59.480 --> 0:43:03.880
<v Speaker 2>of memories about it, but still I know that it

0:43:04.000 --> 0:43:06.840
<v Speaker 2>is kind of up and down now. One note on

0:43:07.000 --> 0:43:10.040
<v Speaker 2>legend that's important for this century is that it was

0:43:10.360 --> 0:43:14.480
<v Speaker 2>filmed in massive studios of course, next to another little

0:43:14.560 --> 0:43:19.759
<v Speaker 2>mid eighties fantasy production, Labyrinth. Yeah, and I wasn't aware

0:43:19.760 --> 0:43:22.200
<v Speaker 2>of this first of these two productions kind of overlapped.

0:43:22.239 --> 0:43:24.840
<v Speaker 2>But also the cast and crew apparently hung out a

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<v Speaker 2>little during the overlapping productions, which I mean mostly that

0:43:28.760 --> 0:43:31.759
<v Speaker 2>just makes me try to imagine David Bowie's Jare At

0:43:31.840 --> 0:43:35.280
<v Speaker 2>the Goblin King and Tim Curry's Darkness the Big Horned

0:43:35.320 --> 0:43:38.480
<v Speaker 2>Demon Dude, like hanging out together and you know, chilling

0:43:39.080 --> 0:43:42.520
<v Speaker 2>between the two productions, but having.

0:43:42.560 --> 0:43:43.640
<v Speaker 3>The minno cheese together.

0:43:43.880 --> 0:43:45.200
<v Speaker 4>Yeh, yeah, something like that.

0:43:45.960 --> 0:43:49.640
<v Speaker 2>But it's also where Mia Sarah first met Brian Henson.

0:43:49.719 --> 0:43:52.080
<v Speaker 2>Of course, the son of Jim Henson, who worked on Labyrinth.

0:43:52.920 --> 0:43:55.600
<v Speaker 2>She would later meet him again and wound up marrying

0:43:55.760 --> 0:43:59.120
<v Speaker 2>him in twenty ten, so her future husband she met

0:43:59.200 --> 0:44:04.680
<v Speaker 2>on between the sets of Labyrinth and Legend. So anyway,

0:44:04.760 --> 0:44:07.160
<v Speaker 2>Mia Sarah kicked it off big with this Ridley Scott film.

0:44:07.440 --> 0:44:09.880
<v Speaker 2>Follow that up with the role of Sloan Peterson in

0:44:10.000 --> 0:44:13.520
<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty six is Ferris Bueller's Day Off, So right

0:44:13.600 --> 0:44:16.640
<v Speaker 2>out of the gate, two big films, one of which

0:44:16.800 --> 0:44:19.480
<v Speaker 2>definitely has I think maybe more of a pop culture

0:44:19.600 --> 0:44:22.600
<v Speaker 2>footprint than the other. Now flash forward to nineteen ninety three.

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<v Speaker 2>She appears in two episodes of a TV series called

0:44:25.640 --> 0:44:26.440
<v Speaker 2>Time Tracks.

0:44:26.880 --> 0:44:27.600
<v Speaker 3>Would you believe?

0:44:28.600 --> 0:44:31.520
<v Speaker 2>This is prior to Time Cop, but it is about

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<v Speaker 2>a time traveling policeman who brings back time traveling fugitives

0:44:36.120 --> 0:44:36.800
<v Speaker 2>from the past.

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<v Speaker 3>So I wonder if that came up in her audition.

0:44:40.880 --> 0:44:42.760
<v Speaker 3>It's like, I've been in this movie already.

0:44:43.360 --> 0:44:46.560
<v Speaker 2>It's like I've got experience you can use, I've done

0:44:46.600 --> 0:44:48.000
<v Speaker 2>this sort of thing before, and they're like, well, it

0:44:48.280 --> 0:44:52.360
<v Speaker 2>just makes sense. So anyway, she does Time Cop after that.

0:44:53.200 --> 0:44:55.040
<v Speaker 2>Let's see, she was in the nineteen ninety seven twenty

0:44:55.080 --> 0:44:57.640
<v Speaker 2>thousand Leagues under the c mini series starring Michael Kine.

0:44:58.360 --> 0:45:00.399
<v Speaker 2>She also played Harley Quinn on the TV the series

0:45:00.440 --> 0:45:02.680
<v Speaker 2>Birds of Prey in the early two thousands, and she

0:45:02.800 --> 0:45:04.600
<v Speaker 2>retired from acting in twenty thirteen.

0:45:04.800 --> 0:45:08.759
<v Speaker 3>So another actor in this movie. I was watching and

0:45:09.080 --> 0:45:12.560
<v Speaker 3>I kept trying to place he is the boss of

0:45:12.840 --> 0:45:16.280
<v Speaker 3>the time cops in the film. And I finally realized

0:45:16.440 --> 0:45:18.680
<v Speaker 3>it's the sheriff for my cousin Vinnie.

0:45:19.640 --> 0:45:23.800
<v Speaker 2>Yes, this is Bruce McGill born nineteen fifty. This is

0:45:23.880 --> 0:45:26.040
<v Speaker 2>not a guy I recognized at all. I didn't even

0:45:26.120 --> 0:45:28.640
<v Speaker 2>draw any connections to other films. But when you look

0:45:28.719 --> 0:45:31.400
<v Speaker 2>him up, you realize, oh, man, this is a longtime

0:45:31.480 --> 0:45:34.080
<v Speaker 2>character actor whose work goes back to I think nineteen

0:45:34.160 --> 0:45:38.200
<v Speaker 2>seventy seven. He played Daniel Simpson Day or d Day

0:45:38.560 --> 0:45:41.279
<v Speaker 2>in Animal House in seventy eight, as well as in

0:45:41.400 --> 0:45:43.839
<v Speaker 2>the And I had no idea this existed Animal House

0:45:43.960 --> 0:45:45.640
<v Speaker 2>TV spinoff Delta House.

0:45:45.920 --> 0:45:46.080
<v Speaker 5>Huh.

0:45:46.600 --> 0:45:48.040
<v Speaker 3>I did not know that was the thing either.

0:45:48.520 --> 0:45:52.480
<v Speaker 2>It existed in some format, but beyond that, just extensive

0:45:52.520 --> 0:45:55.080
<v Speaker 2>TV and film credits, often pretty high up in the

0:45:55.160 --> 0:45:59.160
<v Speaker 2>billing of respectable, you know, for respectable character work in films.

0:45:59.440 --> 0:46:01.960
<v Speaker 2>He was an all Overstone's The Hand in nineteen eighty one.

0:46:02.080 --> 0:46:04.680
<v Speaker 2>That's a crawling hand movie with Michael Caine in and

0:46:04.800 --> 0:46:07.279
<v Speaker 2>he was in Silkwood in eighty three. He was in

0:46:07.400 --> 0:46:09.600
<v Speaker 2>a Tales from the Crypt episode in ninety one called

0:46:09.640 --> 0:46:12.000
<v Speaker 2>The Trap. As you pointed out, he was in My

0:46:12.120 --> 0:46:15.240
<v Speaker 2>Cousin Vinnie in ninety two, eighteen episodes of the original

0:46:15.360 --> 0:46:18.880
<v Speaker 2>mcguiver series, Exit Wounds in two thousand and one, he

0:46:19.040 --> 0:46:21.520
<v Speaker 2>was in Lincoln in twenty twelve, and he's still active.

0:46:21.719 --> 0:46:21.919
<v Speaker 4>Wait.

0:46:22.040 --> 0:46:23.919
<v Speaker 3>I just had to look it up to make sure.

0:46:24.000 --> 0:46:26.960
<v Speaker 3>Exit Wounds is the movie with Steven Segal and DMX.

0:46:27.640 --> 0:46:32.759
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, so hm. That was a fun production to

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<v Speaker 2>work on. I wonder, all right, we also have Gloria

0:46:37.840 --> 0:46:41.640
<v Speaker 2>Rubin in this, playing Fielding another time cop. Ruben was

0:46:41.680 --> 0:46:44.120
<v Speaker 2>born in sixty four. Largely a TV actor prior to this,

0:46:44.239 --> 0:46:46.279
<v Speaker 2>but afterwards she pops up in films such as ninety

0:46:46.320 --> 0:46:49.400
<v Speaker 2>five's Nick of Time, Lincoln in twenty twelve again the

0:46:49.480 --> 0:46:53.040
<v Speaker 2>remake of Firestarter from twenty twenty two. Her TV credits

0:46:53.040 --> 0:46:56.360
<v Speaker 2>include such shows as Homicide, Life on the Street, Falling Skies,

0:46:56.480 --> 0:46:58.240
<v Speaker 2>The Blacklist, and Mister Robot.

0:47:00.000 --> 0:47:01.879
<v Speaker 3>I thought she was good and I was actually really

0:47:01.960 --> 0:47:06.400
<v Speaker 3>disappointed when her character betrays John Claude Van Dam and

0:47:07.160 --> 0:47:09.320
<v Speaker 3>reveals herself to be working for the villain. And I

0:47:09.440 --> 0:47:11.440
<v Speaker 3>was almost shouting no with the TV.

0:47:12.160 --> 0:47:14.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, but we find out, I mean, there are

0:47:14.440 --> 0:47:17.040
<v Speaker 2>reasons for her betrayal, and really, I mean, she's kind

0:47:17.080 --> 0:47:19.040
<v Speaker 2>of one of the more interesting side characters in the

0:47:19.120 --> 0:47:21.520
<v Speaker 2>film that I kind of wanted to see more from.

0:47:21.600 --> 0:47:22.920
<v Speaker 2>I kind of this is the kind of character that

0:47:23.440 --> 0:47:25.320
<v Speaker 2>you could have, you know, at least from a narrative

0:47:25.320 --> 0:47:28.560
<v Speaker 2>standpoint and plotting standpoint, you could have used to carry

0:47:28.600 --> 0:47:30.200
<v Speaker 2>a sequel or a TV series.

0:47:30.560 --> 0:47:33.839
<v Speaker 3>I agree. It's also a shame when after her little

0:47:34.160 --> 0:47:37.800
<v Speaker 3>minor redemption arc she she gets murdered by the time goons.

0:47:37.840 --> 0:47:39.560
<v Speaker 3>I feel like I wish she could have sort of

0:47:39.640 --> 0:47:41.880
<v Speaker 3>buttied up with John Claude for the end.

0:47:42.320 --> 0:47:44.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that would have been good, all right, if you

0:47:44.520 --> 0:47:46.719
<v Speaker 2>just a couple of other really actors of note here.

0:47:46.920 --> 0:47:50.640
<v Speaker 2>Scott Lawrence plays the character George Spotta. Is it Spota

0:47:50.719 --> 0:47:52.480
<v Speaker 2>or Spoda? I can't remember what they said. I think

0:47:52.520 --> 0:47:56.080
<v Speaker 2>they call him Spoda Spoda all right, he's a yeah,

0:47:56.160 --> 0:47:59.360
<v Speaker 2>he's a government man. I forget what department he's with.

0:47:59.680 --> 0:48:02.360
<v Speaker 3>I know if they even say he gives like classified

0:48:02.440 --> 0:48:04.600
<v Speaker 3>briefings to they Senate Oversight Committee.

0:48:05.080 --> 0:48:07.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's really his only role in the film. As

0:48:07.120 --> 0:48:09.719
<v Speaker 2>he comes in all smooth, he lays out the time

0:48:09.760 --> 0:48:13.360
<v Speaker 2>travel exposition, and then he's gone. Maybe McCombe had him erased,

0:48:13.600 --> 0:48:16.719
<v Speaker 2>but maybe they don't even suggest that, but it's as

0:48:16.760 --> 0:48:21.160
<v Speaker 2>if he was erased because he never shows up again. Now,

0:48:21.200 --> 0:48:22.960
<v Speaker 2>the interesting thing about Laurence if you look him up,

0:48:22.960 --> 0:48:24.759
<v Speaker 2>you see a picture of him. He has a distinctive look,

0:48:24.920 --> 0:48:27.640
<v Speaker 2>so you've probably seen him in stuff before. I know

0:48:27.719 --> 0:48:30.880
<v Speaker 2>i'd seen him in some things. But if you have

0:48:31.080 --> 0:48:34.560
<v Speaker 2>played pretty much a Star Wars video game ever, certainly

0:48:34.600 --> 0:48:37.680
<v Speaker 2>since nineteen ninety four, then you have heard him because

0:48:37.719 --> 0:48:40.800
<v Speaker 2>he's been the go to voice actor for Darth Vader

0:48:41.400 --> 0:48:44.480
<v Speaker 2>in everything that has come out since Star Wars tie

0:48:44.520 --> 0:48:45.440
<v Speaker 2>Fighter in ninety four.

0:48:46.200 --> 0:48:49.600
<v Speaker 3>Really did he do Darth Vader in Jedi Fallen Order?

0:48:49.880 --> 0:48:50.200
<v Speaker 4>He did?

0:48:50.400 --> 0:48:53.000
<v Speaker 3>Yep, Oh okay, I did not realize it was the

0:48:53.040 --> 0:48:53.520
<v Speaker 3>same guy.

0:48:54.120 --> 0:48:55.040
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I thought.

0:48:55.360 --> 0:48:57.719
<v Speaker 2>I thought he was really good played through that game

0:48:57.800 --> 0:49:02.239
<v Speaker 2>and I loved it. So, yeah, solid Darth Vader from

0:49:02.320 --> 0:49:05.719
<v Speaker 2>this guy. Now as an actor, non voice actor, his

0:49:05.840 --> 0:49:07.719
<v Speaker 2>credits go all the way back to bit parts on

0:49:07.880 --> 0:49:11.000
<v Speaker 2>Murder She Road and New Heart, La Law, Murphy Brown

0:49:11.600 --> 0:49:14.200
<v Speaker 2>and so forth in the late eighties. But you'll probably

0:49:14.480 --> 0:49:17.520
<v Speaker 2>more likely to recognize him from two thousand and nine's Avatar.

0:49:17.560 --> 0:49:19.759
<v Speaker 2>I believe he plays a soldier in that. And he

0:49:20.120 --> 0:49:22.640
<v Speaker 2>was also a long running character on the TV show

0:49:22.760 --> 0:49:24.319
<v Speaker 2>Jag Jag.

0:49:24.520 --> 0:49:26.080
<v Speaker 3>That's one of those shows you see a lot of

0:49:26.160 --> 0:49:28.000
<v Speaker 3>credits linking there, but I've never seen.

0:49:27.880 --> 0:49:29.680
<v Speaker 2>It, all right, And then finally, the music in this

0:49:29.800 --> 0:49:33.839
<v Speaker 2>film is the work of Mark Isham born nineteen fifty one.

0:49:34.239 --> 0:49:37.080
<v Speaker 2>We've talked about him before. Electronic music pioneer turned highly

0:49:37.120 --> 0:49:40.400
<v Speaker 2>prolific film score composer, skilled on both the trumpet and

0:49:40.520 --> 0:49:43.960
<v Speaker 2>the synth. His early solo music is especially notable. I

0:49:44.000 --> 0:49:46.040
<v Speaker 2>went back and was listening to some of it while

0:49:46.040 --> 0:49:48.319
<v Speaker 2>I was working on notes here, and it's pretty good,

0:49:48.400 --> 0:49:51.239
<v Speaker 2>like some of his I think. His nineteen eighty three

0:49:51.280 --> 0:49:55.279
<v Speaker 2>album Vapor Drawings was released on Wyndham Hill, known for

0:49:55.600 --> 0:49:58.600
<v Speaker 2>putting out a lot of especially ambient electronic music back

0:49:58.640 --> 0:50:01.319
<v Speaker 2>in the day, his work has been held up as

0:50:01.320 --> 0:50:05.640
<v Speaker 2>an inspiration by specifically Boards of Canada. And Yeah, all

0:50:05.680 --> 0:50:08.720
<v Speaker 2>that being said, I can't say this score really impressed

0:50:08.760 --> 0:50:11.160
<v Speaker 2>me beyond like I guess, just doing what a score

0:50:11.280 --> 0:50:16.120
<v Speaker 2>needs to do, but you know, still it gets the

0:50:16.239 --> 0:50:19.360
<v Speaker 2>job done. He also scored the film Blade, which we

0:50:19.440 --> 0:50:21.879
<v Speaker 2>previously discussed on Weird House, which definitely had some nice

0:50:21.960 --> 0:50:23.000
<v Speaker 2>meditative tracks on it.

0:50:23.280 --> 0:50:26.320
<v Speaker 3>I don't really remember the music in Timecop except for

0:50:26.520 --> 0:50:28.640
<v Speaker 3>the music from Aliens and the trailer.

0:50:29.680 --> 0:50:29.879
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:50:30.040 --> 0:50:31.919
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So, like I said, it gets the job done

0:50:31.960 --> 0:50:34.440
<v Speaker 2>and that's good, but it doesn't really stand out to

0:50:34.520 --> 0:50:35.080
<v Speaker 2>me beyond that.

0:50:35.600 --> 0:50:37.040
<v Speaker 3>All right, you ready talked about the plot.

0:50:37.800 --> 0:50:38.239
<v Speaker 4>Let's do it.

0:50:38.960 --> 0:50:42.480
<v Speaker 3>This movie has a historical cold open. We are told,

0:50:42.760 --> 0:50:46.319
<v Speaker 3>little Chyron says Gainesville, Georgia, eighteen sixty three.

0:50:47.160 --> 0:50:49.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is filmed in Canada, of course, but the

0:50:49.560 --> 0:50:53.040
<v Speaker 2>setting is only an hour's drive from where we are

0:50:53.160 --> 0:50:56.040
<v Speaker 2>right now. But it's also one hundred and sixty years

0:50:56.160 --> 0:50:58.680
<v Speaker 2>from where we are right now, so take that for

0:50:58.760 --> 0:50:59.200
<v Speaker 2>what it's worth.

0:50:59.600 --> 0:51:02.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And of course historical setting means this would be

0:51:02.280 --> 0:51:05.600
<v Speaker 3>in the middle of the US Civil War inside Confederate territory.

0:51:06.760 --> 0:51:10.440
<v Speaker 3>So Confederate soldiers are on horseback. They're clopping along through

0:51:10.560 --> 0:51:13.200
<v Speaker 3>the mud and the rain. They are drawing a wagon

0:51:13.320 --> 0:51:15.960
<v Speaker 3>behind them. They come across a creepy guy with a

0:51:16.040 --> 0:51:18.560
<v Speaker 3>missing tooth standing in the middle of the road, and

0:51:18.680 --> 0:51:22.200
<v Speaker 3>he tells them he knows they're transporting a shipment of

0:51:22.280 --> 0:51:25.040
<v Speaker 3>gold bullion to General Lee. He says they need to

0:51:25.120 --> 0:51:29.320
<v Speaker 3>give him the gold and the soldiers. They keep referring

0:51:29.360 --> 0:51:31.920
<v Speaker 3>to him as a single guy as y'all, and I

0:51:32.040 --> 0:51:34.520
<v Speaker 3>was like, is that a historically based thing? I was

0:51:34.560 --> 0:51:38.279
<v Speaker 3>looking up singular usage of y'all. I found some references

0:51:38.360 --> 0:51:40.640
<v Speaker 3>to it, but I don't know if that was intentional.

0:51:40.719 --> 0:51:43.719
<v Speaker 3>That might just be a bit of confusion there real quick.

0:51:43.840 --> 0:51:48.520
<v Speaker 2>This particular actor playing the stranger is Callum Keith Rennie

0:51:48.800 --> 0:51:52.239
<v Speaker 2>for nineteen sixty. This is pretty early in his career,

0:51:52.320 --> 0:51:54.040
<v Speaker 2>but he went on to work a lot on TV,

0:51:54.640 --> 0:51:58.879
<v Speaker 2>especially Canadian series. So if this guy looks familiar, that's

0:51:58.920 --> 0:52:00.560
<v Speaker 2>why you've probably seen in something.

0:52:00.920 --> 0:52:02.480
<v Speaker 3>He did kind of look familiar to me, but I

0:52:02.480 --> 0:52:04.799
<v Speaker 3>couldn't have said from what. But I mainly just kept

0:52:04.880 --> 0:52:08.880
<v Speaker 3>noticing his missing tooth, which is he's kind of whistling

0:52:08.960 --> 0:52:11.280
<v Speaker 3>through it while he's saying, give me the gold. Anyway.

0:52:11.360 --> 0:52:12.960
<v Speaker 3>They won't do it. They say, no, you don't get

0:52:12.960 --> 0:52:15.520
<v Speaker 3>the gold. So he opens up his coat and reveals

0:52:15.800 --> 0:52:19.600
<v Speaker 3>double laser sighted machine guns from the future and blasts

0:52:19.640 --> 0:52:24.000
<v Speaker 3>all the soldiers. And so this might cause one to wonder, oh,

0:52:24.120 --> 0:52:26.160
<v Speaker 3>what kind of direction is this movie going in? Is

0:52:26.280 --> 0:52:29.239
<v Speaker 3>this like the well worn thought experiment, would you go

0:52:29.360 --> 0:52:31.840
<v Speaker 3>back in time and kill Hitler before he came to power?

0:52:32.200 --> 0:52:34.480
<v Speaker 3>That this could be a similar thought experiment, would you

0:52:34.600 --> 0:52:37.520
<v Speaker 3>economically cripple the Confederacy to cause them to lose the

0:52:37.560 --> 0:52:40.759
<v Speaker 3>war earlier? But no, that is not what's going on here.

0:52:40.840 --> 0:52:44.719
<v Speaker 3>The chronopirates in time cop are They're not concerned with

0:52:44.880 --> 0:52:48.120
<v Speaker 3>disabling Nazi Germany or the CSA. They are after the money.

0:52:48.239 --> 0:52:49.040
<v Speaker 3>They want the gold.

0:52:49.480 --> 0:52:51.360
<v Speaker 2>Now they don't bring this up at all, But I

0:52:51.520 --> 0:52:55.279
<v Speaker 2>wonder if this is how the time criminals rationalize things

0:52:55.320 --> 0:52:57.840
<v Speaker 2>at first. In the same way that the bonejackers and

0:52:57.960 --> 0:53:00.680
<v Speaker 2>free jack steal the bodies of people who are about

0:53:00.760 --> 0:53:04.120
<v Speaker 2>to die in the past, these criminals at least initially

0:53:04.200 --> 0:53:08.160
<v Speaker 2>target the funds of historically losing sides and conflicts. You know,

0:53:08.800 --> 0:53:11.200
<v Speaker 2>so it's not actually, you know, it's not paradox free

0:53:11.360 --> 0:53:14.919
<v Speaker 2>by any stretch of the imagination. But golden treasure often

0:53:15.040 --> 0:53:18.520
<v Speaker 2>vanished during these tense periods in history. So you can

0:53:18.640 --> 0:53:21.640
<v Speaker 2>imagine the time criminals being like, all right, well, nobody's

0:53:21.640 --> 0:53:23.520
<v Speaker 2>going to miss that amber room if we go back

0:53:23.560 --> 0:53:24.160
<v Speaker 2>and snatch it.

0:53:24.400 --> 0:53:26.399
<v Speaker 3>That kind of logic could well be in play. Yeah,

0:53:26.520 --> 0:53:29.400
<v Speaker 3>but we don't ever get that full explanation. So we

0:53:29.560 --> 0:53:31.879
<v Speaker 3>jump forward in time, like one hundred and thirty years

0:53:32.040 --> 0:53:34.200
<v Speaker 3>and see a shot of the Capitol Building. Always love

0:53:34.239 --> 0:53:36.120
<v Speaker 3>a shot of the Capitol Building in a movie to

0:53:36.160 --> 0:53:38.319
<v Speaker 3>let us know we're in Washington, d C. And it's

0:53:38.360 --> 0:53:40.520
<v Speaker 3>got to be accompanied to buy a little title that

0:53:40.640 --> 0:53:44.279
<v Speaker 3>says Washington, DC. But now we know it's nineteen ninety

0:53:44.280 --> 0:53:48.319
<v Speaker 3>four and it says here's the Senate Oversite Committee covert operations.

0:53:49.520 --> 0:53:52.000
<v Speaker 3>So the Senate Oversite Committee here gets a secret briefing

0:53:52.400 --> 0:53:54.719
<v Speaker 3>in which they are told the following. Number one, a

0:53:54.840 --> 0:53:58.000
<v Speaker 3>time machine has been invented by a scientist on our payroll.

0:53:58.800 --> 0:54:00.960
<v Speaker 3>Number two, you can't go to the future. You can

0:54:01.040 --> 0:54:03.960
<v Speaker 3>only go back to the past, and we will later

0:54:04.120 --> 0:54:07.680
<v Speaker 3>learn you can return to the present moment from which

0:54:07.719 --> 0:54:11.080
<v Speaker 3>you came. Number three. This technology is dangerous and it

0:54:11.120 --> 0:54:13.719
<v Speaker 3>should never be used. If you go back into the

0:54:13.800 --> 0:54:18.680
<v Speaker 3>past and make changes, it could have unpredictable catastrophic consequences

0:54:18.719 --> 0:54:21.120
<v Speaker 3>for the future and for this reason, you can't do

0:54:21.480 --> 0:54:24.120
<v Speaker 3>like you can't go back and kill Hitler number four

0:54:24.640 --> 0:54:28.000
<v Speaker 3>because it's so dangerous. We need to create some new

0:54:28.200 --> 0:54:34.080
<v Speaker 3>type of cop, some kind of time cop. And literally

0:54:34.160 --> 0:54:36.680
<v Speaker 3>they say we need to create something called a Time

0:54:36.960 --> 0:54:42.239
<v Speaker 3>Enforcement Commission to police time itself and prevent dangerous unauthorized

0:54:42.320 --> 0:54:46.839
<v Speaker 3>use of time travel. Now this immediately raises big questions like, wait,

0:54:47.080 --> 0:54:50.600
<v Speaker 3>what is the authorized use of time travel? A government

0:54:50.680 --> 0:54:53.680
<v Speaker 3>scientists just invented time travel, and as far as I

0:54:53.719 --> 0:54:57.320
<v Speaker 3>can tell, the only time travel that is then permitted

0:54:57.880 --> 0:54:59.880
<v Speaker 3>is to go back in time and stop other pe

0:55:00.000 --> 0:55:01.640
<v Speaker 3>people from changing the past.

0:55:02.200 --> 0:55:03.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I guess so. I mean, otherwise, the only thing

0:55:04.000 --> 0:55:06.360
<v Speaker 2>I can think of is historical research. You want to

0:55:06.440 --> 0:55:09.560
<v Speaker 2>go back and see what actually happened at pivotal points

0:55:09.560 --> 0:55:12.960
<v Speaker 2>in history and get a you know, unbiased view of

0:55:13.080 --> 0:55:15.640
<v Speaker 2>what occurred. Or it's just purely tourism. I don't know,

0:55:15.719 --> 0:55:17.960
<v Speaker 2>Like pick any historic moment in the past, you go

0:55:18.040 --> 0:55:19.440
<v Speaker 2>back and you just watch it as a tourist.

0:55:19.880 --> 0:55:22.560
<v Speaker 3>You want to see the Sphinx before the face decayed.

0:55:23.120 --> 0:55:25.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, stuff like that. You want to see like

0:55:25.200 --> 0:55:27.879
<v Speaker 2>all of the wonders of the ancient world back when

0:55:27.920 --> 0:55:30.439
<v Speaker 2>they were still standing. You know, I guess that could

0:55:30.480 --> 0:55:33.919
<v Speaker 2>make sense, But of course we know that it would

0:55:33.960 --> 0:55:36.040
<v Speaker 2>never work out like that. I mean, we all know

0:55:36.360 --> 0:55:39.480
<v Speaker 2>the about the butterfly effect, we know about the sound

0:55:39.560 --> 0:55:42.080
<v Speaker 2>of thunder and Ray Bradbury's stories. We know about Homer

0:55:42.160 --> 0:55:46.279
<v Speaker 2>Simpson stepping on dinosaurs. So any of these ideas would

0:55:46.400 --> 0:55:50.240
<v Speaker 2>inevitably lead to chaos and paradox, or at least paradox.

0:55:50.880 --> 0:55:53.640
<v Speaker 3>But despite this knowledge, it doesn't stop them from getting

0:55:53.640 --> 0:55:55.560
<v Speaker 3>into trouble. You know what, you dad your hands in

0:55:55.600 --> 0:55:59.480
<v Speaker 3>the toaster again. It just keeps happening. So this scene

0:55:59.520 --> 0:56:02.880
<v Speaker 3>includes a few bits more of of plot set up,

0:56:02.960 --> 0:56:05.600
<v Speaker 3>and we see them tap Bruce McGill playing a character

0:56:05.680 --> 0:56:11.120
<v Speaker 3>named Matushak to head up the Tec let's see oh,

0:56:11.239 --> 0:56:13.360
<v Speaker 3>And they say that they they've got proof that they

0:56:13.480 --> 0:56:16.040
<v Speaker 3>need these time cops, and they cite the fact that

0:56:16.280 --> 0:56:19.920
<v Speaker 3>terrorists have been purchasing weapons with the use of Confederate

0:56:20.040 --> 0:56:23.479
<v Speaker 3>gold stolen from the past, and the agent here says,

0:56:23.560 --> 0:56:25.560
<v Speaker 3>we had it carbon dated and it's real.

0:56:27.560 --> 0:56:30.000
<v Speaker 2>I feel like another direction they could have gone in

0:56:30.120 --> 0:56:31.520
<v Speaker 2>with this film is they could have had a great

0:56:31.600 --> 0:56:34.960
<v Speaker 2>split second esque buddy cop structure where one cop is

0:56:35.000 --> 0:56:37.839
<v Speaker 2>an historian who's always on about how he can't cause

0:56:37.880 --> 0:56:40.000
<v Speaker 2>ripples in the time stream, and the other is just

0:56:40.040 --> 0:56:41.680
<v Speaker 2>all about busting heads in the past.

0:56:42.120 --> 0:56:45.200
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well boy, But which one would John club Vandam

0:56:45.320 --> 0:56:47.359
<v Speaker 3>be the nerd or the Harley Stone guy?

0:56:48.120 --> 0:56:49.759
<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's the thing. Jean Clave van Dam is

0:56:49.840 --> 0:56:53.560
<v Speaker 2>kind of both in this. He's he's very he's very lawful,

0:56:53.680 --> 0:56:57.680
<v Speaker 2>good until the fight starts, and then he's just brutal.

0:56:57.719 --> 0:56:58.040
<v Speaker 4>I don't know.

0:56:58.120 --> 0:56:59.720
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I guess these you can still be brutal

0:56:59.760 --> 0:57:03.000
<v Speaker 2>in good in a D and D scenario, but once

0:57:03.040 --> 0:57:06.600
<v Speaker 2>he starts fighting, you know, your your DM may ask

0:57:06.719 --> 0:57:09.560
<v Speaker 2>for some sort of a check on your on what

0:57:09.640 --> 0:57:10.800
<v Speaker 2>your alignment actually is.

0:57:11.440 --> 0:57:13.520
<v Speaker 3>By the way, when I was thinking about this, I

0:57:14.080 --> 0:57:16.560
<v Speaker 3>was trying to remember the name of the Rutger Howard character.

0:57:16.640 --> 0:57:19.720
<v Speaker 3>In split second, it is Harley Stone. I remembered it, right,

0:57:19.800 --> 0:57:21.880
<v Speaker 3>But when I looked that up to confirm, I discovered

0:57:21.920 --> 0:57:24.360
<v Speaker 3>this is also the pen name of what appears to

0:57:24.440 --> 0:57:26.800
<v Speaker 3>be an author of erotic motorcycle books.

0:57:27.440 --> 0:57:29.120
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I mean it's a good name for that too,

0:57:29.360 --> 0:57:32.520
<v Speaker 2>all right. So they have a new government body to

0:57:32.680 --> 0:57:35.960
<v Speaker 2>govern time travel. They bring in a guy who used

0:57:35.960 --> 0:57:38.280
<v Speaker 2>to run the DC Police force to run it, because

0:57:38.320 --> 0:57:41.640
<v Speaker 2>that makes sense. But who's gonna head up oversight over

0:57:41.720 --> 0:57:42.200
<v Speaker 2>this program?

0:57:42.560 --> 0:57:46.480
<v Speaker 3>Good question. A grinning ron silver in the corner casually

0:57:46.560 --> 0:57:48.840
<v Speaker 3>offers to do it. Yes, yes, I will accept this

0:57:48.920 --> 0:57:53.840
<v Speaker 3>godlike power. Sure, And this is Senator Aaron McCombe. Let's

0:57:53.920 --> 0:57:56.560
<v Speaker 3>cut to somewhere else. Next we go to a shopping

0:57:56.680 --> 0:57:58.600
<v Speaker 3>mall nineteen ninety four. I guess that's supposed to be

0:57:58.640 --> 0:58:01.920
<v Speaker 3>a shopping mall in the wash In DC area. And

0:58:02.120 --> 0:58:06.200
<v Speaker 3>what can we say to describe this glorious, beautiful setting.

0:58:06.360 --> 0:58:08.760
<v Speaker 3>There's like an A and W, a bunch of Kiosk

0:58:09.000 --> 0:58:13.480
<v Speaker 3>selling what looked like Christmas decorations. There are big camera

0:58:13.600 --> 0:58:16.680
<v Speaker 3>facing advertisements for Nissan and other things.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, presumably this is a Canadian mall, because I think

0:58:20.520 --> 0:58:24.040
<v Speaker 2>everything was filmed in Canada. But the interiors are great.

0:58:24.280 --> 0:58:27.720
<v Speaker 2>I did not see a sign for hot pogos aka

0:58:28.000 --> 0:58:30.240
<v Speaker 2>corn dogs, so I was a little disappointed in that.

0:58:30.360 --> 0:58:33.720
<v Speaker 2>But otherwise, it's a great mall environment that we find

0:58:33.760 --> 0:58:36.080
<v Speaker 2>our characters running around in. And we encounter a little

0:58:36.080 --> 0:58:38.680
<v Speaker 2>bit of John claud van dam mall vigilanteism.

0:58:39.080 --> 0:58:45.200
<v Speaker 3>Wait what if this was the same mall as scanners anyway, Yes, yeah, yeah,

0:58:45.240 --> 0:58:48.120
<v Speaker 3>so there's vigilantiism. Wait, but before we get to that. Okay,

0:58:48.200 --> 0:58:50.520
<v Speaker 3>So there's a flirting meet up between Jehan Claud van

0:58:50.600 --> 0:58:55.640
<v Speaker 3>Dam playing police officer Max Walker and Mia Sarah playing

0:58:55.720 --> 0:58:59.000
<v Speaker 3>his wife Melissa, and they I don't know, they meet

0:58:59.040 --> 0:59:00.880
<v Speaker 3>each other. It's like, oh, hi, I would be nice

0:59:00.880 --> 0:59:01.720
<v Speaker 3>if I was married to you.

0:59:01.840 --> 0:59:04.720
<v Speaker 2>Good thing, I am, Yeah, And she makes a crack

0:59:04.760 --> 0:59:07.840
<v Speaker 2>about his english and he's likely it's okay, I know

0:59:07.880 --> 0:59:10.760
<v Speaker 2>all the best words. And then he leans in and

0:59:10.760 --> 0:59:13.360
<v Speaker 2>whispers something in her ear and she giggles. And I

0:59:13.400 --> 0:59:15.920
<v Speaker 2>spent way too much time running through the possibilities of

0:59:15.960 --> 0:59:18.640
<v Speaker 2>what words he could have possibly whispered to her. And

0:59:18.760 --> 0:59:22.680
<v Speaker 2>there are no not dumb choices. They're all ridiculous.

0:59:23.000 --> 0:59:24.760
<v Speaker 3>I assumed he said a bad word.

0:59:25.200 --> 0:59:27.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but even like which one if you start actually

0:59:28.080 --> 0:59:31.360
<v Speaker 2>like like framing it out and thinking about it, all

0:59:31.440 --> 0:59:35.000
<v Speaker 2>dumb choices. There's there's no suave move. I'm glad. I'm

0:59:35.000 --> 0:59:36.120
<v Speaker 2>glad we didn't hear him say it.

0:59:36.200 --> 0:59:36.840
<v Speaker 4>Whatever it was.

0:59:37.160 --> 0:59:39.160
<v Speaker 3>Anyway, she's asking, oh, are you going to take that

0:59:39.240 --> 0:59:41.959
<v Speaker 3>new job with the Time Enforcement Commission, and he goes,

0:59:42.080 --> 0:59:43.680
<v Speaker 3>I don't bake cookies for a living.

0:59:44.920 --> 0:59:47.280
<v Speaker 2>Okay, it doesn't make sense, but okay, yeah, but.

0:59:47.440 --> 0:59:50.520
<v Speaker 3>Oh so there's there's a mugging. Sorry you mentioned this.

0:59:50.640 --> 0:59:57.560
<v Speaker 3>There's a mugging. A dorky looking dude wearing rectangular sunglasses indoors,

0:59:58.080 --> 1:00:01.480
<v Speaker 3>a red bandana on his head, a red and white

1:00:01.760 --> 1:00:06.480
<v Speaker 3>plaid long sleeve polo shirt with the sleeves rolled up

1:00:06.680 --> 1:00:09.880
<v Speaker 3>just a bit to reveal that underneath the plaid polo

1:00:09.960 --> 1:00:12.680
<v Speaker 3>shirt he is wearing a long sleeve white T shirt,

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<v Speaker 3>all of it tucked into jeans, with a belt with

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<v Speaker 3>a wallet chain on, rollerblades with neon green laces, and

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<v Speaker 3>he rolls by and snatches an old lady's purse.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I love this obviously like forty year old punk kid

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<v Speaker 2>that they encounter here. And at first I was thinking, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>this is probably a stunt player. So you know the

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<v Speaker 2>stunt players, you know, they look like what they look like,

1:00:36.560 --> 1:00:40.040
<v Speaker 2>and you know. But but I look this guy up

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<v Speaker 2>and I think he has like Shakespearean credits in his background.

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<v Speaker 2>So I don't know all this casting came together.

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<v Speaker 3>But he's got some good stories from the set of

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<v Speaker 3>Time Cop.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, at any rate, does not look like a punk

1:00:50.440 --> 1:00:53.400
<v Speaker 2>kid who should be snatching purses in a nineties mall.

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<v Speaker 3>Jean Claude van Dam stops him with like the sole

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<v Speaker 3>of his boot to his face. Like he doesn't kick him,

1:00:59.160 --> 1:01:02.200
<v Speaker 3>but he like does a kick pose with his leg

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<v Speaker 3>up at like a you know, a one hundred degree angle.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like way up there the boot facing the mugging guy.

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<v Speaker 3>He screeches to a halt on his rollerblades and then

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<v Speaker 3>he's like, read the soul of my boot, and he

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<v Speaker 3>reads Wolverine and then anyway, so he like scares the

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<v Speaker 3>guy into giving the purse back. So I think we're

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<v Speaker 3>supposed to take from this. Oh wow, he's a really

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<v Speaker 3>tough cop. He's a really cool guy.

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<v Speaker 2>And very lawful. Like you see something bad going on,

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<v Speaker 2>he's gonna jump in there and fix things.

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<v Speaker 3>So at some point while at the mall, Max glances

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<v Speaker 3>up at the mezzanine above them, and he sees a

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<v Speaker 3>couple of weird looking dudes staring down at him. These

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<v Speaker 3>are going to be recurring characters. These are future time goons.

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<v Speaker 3>But honestly, the best way I could describe them is

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<v Speaker 3>that they remind me of the early nineties wrestling duo

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<v Speaker 3>with the Nasty Boys.

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<v Speaker 2>You're absolutely right on this. I think this is something.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't think of this while I was watching it,

1:02:05.880 --> 1:02:09.160
<v Speaker 2>but something was like sparking in my brain, and yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>strong nasty boy vibes to these time goons. Timegons very

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<v Speaker 2>much in the spirit of the two Timegoons from Highlander two,

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<v Speaker 2>only less extreme, like not that like obviously from the future.

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<v Speaker 2>These guys are blending in a little bit. I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>mark the players earlier, but I think the main ones

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<v Speaker 2>we see are Canadian stunt men Brent Woosey and Steven Lambert.

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<v Speaker 3>Excellent timegoons. I love them, but as soon as Jean

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<v Speaker 3>Claude van Dam glances back, they're gone quick. Note at

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<v Speaker 3>the mall, the music they're playing you might not have caught.

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<v Speaker 3>This is the band Chicago's nineteen seventy single Does anybody

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<v Speaker 3>really know what time it is?

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<v Speaker 4>Huh? Nice?

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<v Speaker 3>Anyway, Max and Melissa they go back home for some romance,

1:02:52.400 --> 1:02:55.040
<v Speaker 3>and then Max gets a phone call saying he has

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<v Speaker 3>to go out on some kind of police business and

1:02:58.200 --> 1:03:01.240
<v Speaker 3>Melissa has something important to tell him him. What could

1:03:01.280 --> 1:03:03.640
<v Speaker 3>it be? But we'll we will have to wait until

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<v Speaker 3>he gets back. Unfortunately, that won't happen because he As

1:03:07.080 --> 1:03:09.760
<v Speaker 3>he heads out the front door, they are suddenly attacked

1:03:09.800 --> 1:03:13.200
<v Speaker 3>again by the science fiction punks, including the Nasty Boys

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<v Speaker 3>and just guys who generally look like Krang's body in

1:03:16.360 --> 1:03:17.080
<v Speaker 3>a trench coat.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, again, I think these are all stunt players,

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<v Speaker 2>but they're out. They all look tough and or cruel.

1:03:25.280 --> 1:03:27.640
<v Speaker 2>Even the guys who aren't his brawny have a real

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<v Speaker 2>kind of like lean and hungry look to them. So

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<v Speaker 2>I bought all the all the time goods we encounter

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<v Speaker 2>in this movie.

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<v Speaker 3>So I think you're supposed to wonder, who are these guys, why,

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<v Speaker 3>why are they Why is this couple being attacked? We don't,

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<v Speaker 3>We are not to know for now. But Max is

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<v Speaker 3>shot and left for dead outside, But then it turns

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<v Speaker 3>out he was wearing body armor and he survives, and

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<v Speaker 3>he tries to go back to rescue Melissa, but before

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<v Speaker 3>he can do that, the house explodes in a giant fireball, and.

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<v Speaker 2>His movie just keeps things rolling, because before you even

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<v Speaker 2>really have time to process this, we're off to another time.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right now. It's Wall Street October thirtieth, nineteen twenty nine,

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<v Speaker 3>which would be one day after the so called Black Tuesday.

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<v Speaker 3>This is the beginning of the Great Depression. We follow

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<v Speaker 3>a big wig stockbroker named Atwood who is busy buying

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<v Speaker 3>shares of oil companies and such things while everybody else

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<v Speaker 3>is busy selling. And we see him consulting a list

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<v Speaker 3>of stock prices from a copy of USA Today from

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<v Speaker 3>the twenty first century.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh oh, yep, we have a little white collar time

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<v Speaker 2>crime on our hands here.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'd imagine if time travel invented, there'd be a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of that. We have a no good time traveler

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<v Speaker 3>screwing up the past so we can get rich in

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<v Speaker 3>the future. I also have to say it's interesting that

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<v Speaker 3>manipulating the past has got to be a lot easier

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<v Speaker 3>if it's an open book test, like you can take

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<v Speaker 3>newspapers from the future with you anyway. Atwood sitting at

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<v Speaker 3>his desk doing financial time crimes, listening to heavy metal

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<v Speaker 3>music on a secret Walkman that he had hidden in

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<v Speaker 3>his bag, and then oh, here's JCVD. Max Walker is

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<v Speaker 3>here to arrest him. It seems Atwood is a time

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<v Speaker 3>cop like Max, but now he's a time criminal.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, he turned bad.

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<v Speaker 3>And when we see Jean Claude here, he looks very

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<v Speaker 3>different than he did before. He's older. Obviously he has

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<v Speaker 3>been sent back from farther in the future than the

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<v Speaker 3>last scene we saw. So Rob, is it time for

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<v Speaker 3>a digression on hair?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think one of the central messages in this

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<v Speaker 2>film is that you will have better hair in the future.

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<v Speaker 3>I'd say the difference is that he goes from in

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<v Speaker 3>the nineties era. He has a sort of slick pompadour

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<v Speaker 3>with I don't know what you call that is, like

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<v Speaker 3>the is it like the duck back where it's sort

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<v Speaker 3>of like rolled in from the sides in the back.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know what that is. In the future, it's

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<v Speaker 3>like edge of mullet. But he does look cool.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's like everybody. We also see this with Ron

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<v Speaker 2>Silver's character. In the future, hair is going to be slicker.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just I don't know, like just the wet look

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<v Speaker 2>is in once you get into the far future of well,

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<v Speaker 2>what is it two thousand and four?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, two thousand and four. So maxterrives to arrest

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<v Speaker 3>this guy Atwood. We get an action scene Atwood brings

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<v Speaker 3>in his nineteen twenty nine security guys. There's a guy

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<v Speaker 3>with like a wax mustache who does the backwards fist

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<v Speaker 3>fighting stance, and he just does not stand a chance

1:06:21.600 --> 1:06:25.000
<v Speaker 3>against the future based fighting techniques of our hero. But

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<v Speaker 3>there's exposition in the scene because Atwood reveals that he

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<v Speaker 3>is working for a big time crime boss, and his

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<v Speaker 3>boss is Senator Aaron McComb. That's Ron Silver. He is

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<v Speaker 3>the chair of the committee that oversees time crimes in

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<v Speaker 3>the Senate, and now he's running for president. He's smart,

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<v Speaker 3>he's ruthless, and he will go back in time and

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<v Speaker 3>wipe out Atwood's entire family if he testifies against him,

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<v Speaker 3>so Atwood cannot flip. Another thing is that Atwood also

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<v Speaker 3>explains that Macomb is stealing all this money from the

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<v Speaker 3>past for a specific reason he can get money for

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<v Speaker 3>his presidential campaign. Something about this seemed really funny to me, Like,

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<v Speaker 3>couldn't he just get money from like, if he's gonna

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<v Speaker 3>do crime, couldn't he just get money from some corrupt,

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<v Speaker 3>self interested billionaire in the future. It doesn't seem that hard.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I just just juice the donors a bit. But

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<v Speaker 2>now he decides to go back in time and do

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<v Speaker 2>shady things in the past in order to gain money

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<v Speaker 2>to take into the future or to collect on in

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<v Speaker 2>the future.

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<v Speaker 3>Anyway, Atwood tries to jump out the window at the

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<v Speaker 3>skyscraper to avoid being taken back by Walter to testify

1:07:31.440 --> 1:07:34.800
<v Speaker 3>or not Walter Walker, But then Walker jumps after him,

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<v Speaker 3>and he grabs him in mid air and dials home

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<v Speaker 3>on his time phone in midair to take him back,

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<v Speaker 3>So the dude is captured. Walker takes him back to

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<v Speaker 3>where they came from, which is the year two thousand

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<v Speaker 3>and four.

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<v Speaker 2>He has a far future full of self driving cars

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<v Speaker 2>and fancy guns. Basically those the main two bits of

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<v Speaker 2>technology we see.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, a lot of computer screens.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, but we don't see what they're eating. Don't

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<v Speaker 2>get a sense of like what will smoothies be like

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<v Speaker 2>in the future, What will Roger be like in the future.

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<v Speaker 4>We don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>No, they really don't go into that at all. So

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<v Speaker 3>they arrive at the Tec headquarters in Washington. This place

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<v Speaker 3>is kind of a set from like Aliens. There's no

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<v Speaker 3>normal doors in the future. It's all just like the

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<v Speaker 3>sliding powered pressure locked doors and the spinning red lights

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<v Speaker 3>on the ceiling and all that. So Atwood is taken

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<v Speaker 3>straight to his time trial. No lawyer, no jury, here's

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<v Speaker 3>a judge. You are guilty prepared to die.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, time Court is more than a little totalitarian. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess at least the judges don't have masks or

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<v Speaker 2>hoods on.

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<v Speaker 3>And his punishment is this did not make sense at

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<v Speaker 3>all to me. It is execution by time travel. So

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<v Speaker 3>he is transported back to nineteen twenty nine in the

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<v Speaker 3>middle of the air and dropped like on a car,

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<v Speaker 3>and he's killed by the impact. I thought the whole

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<v Speaker 3>point of the Tec division was to avoid people going

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<v Speaker 3>back and messing around in the past, and so now

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<v Speaker 3>they are executing people for going into the past by

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<v Speaker 3>sending them into the past and dropping them on the sidewalk.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>The best I could figure out on this one is

1:09:08.200 --> 1:09:11.960
<v Speaker 2>that by the time they arrested him, there had been like, say,

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<v Speaker 2>like forty four different changes to the time stream, and

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<v Speaker 2>then they did a forty fifth change by stopping him

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<v Speaker 2>mid drop, and so they're actually like correcting it by

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<v Speaker 2>one by just throwing him back in and letting him

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<v Speaker 2>finish the fall. M that's my best. That's The's the

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<v Speaker 2>best I.

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<v Speaker 4>Can do though.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, Well, after all this, Max is very disappointed

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<v Speaker 3>because he knows Ron Silver is behind all of the

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<v Speaker 3>time crimes. But he doesn't have a witness to testify

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<v Speaker 3>against him, so we can't do anything about it. So

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<v Speaker 3>we see a little bit of the day to day

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<v Speaker 3>life of the time cops. We see them, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>trying to pick up signals of time traveling assassins, time

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<v Speaker 3>traveling thieves. They have to go out and stop them

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<v Speaker 3>and all that. Of course, the boss is still Bruce

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<v Speaker 3>McGill playing this guy named Eugene Matushak. The scene is

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<v Speaker 3>interrupted by a tour of politicians who do oversight on

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<v Speaker 3>the Tec, including Ron Silver, who has graciously taken time

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<v Speaker 3>out of his presidential campaign to accompany them. And you

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<v Speaker 3>can see in the office they've got like a dartboard

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<v Speaker 3>with a Aaron McComb for President poster on it. They

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<v Speaker 3>quickly turn that around and hide it. And in this scene,

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<v Speaker 3>Walker gets up in Macomb's face and he's like, I

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<v Speaker 3>know it's you.

1:10:26.800 --> 1:10:27.000
<v Speaker 2>I know.

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<v Speaker 3>This is a convention of cop movies. You got to

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<v Speaker 3>have the cop, I don't know, be a tough guy

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<v Speaker 3>who like lets the crime boss know that he's onto him.

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<v Speaker 3>But it makes no sense in the context of this

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<v Speaker 3>movie when you know he could go back in time

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<v Speaker 3>and wipe you out of existence, which he does do

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<v Speaker 3>or he does try to do. And also by doing

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<v Speaker 3>this this isn't explored, but presumably Walker ensures that Macomb

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<v Speaker 3>will go wipe out Atwood's entire family from history, who

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<v Speaker 3>presumably did nothing to deserve this, because now he knows

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<v Speaker 3>that Atwood told Walker even though he didn't testify.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, he's just lawful, good to a fault. He like,

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<v Speaker 2>he comes up to Macombe and he's like, hey, just

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<v Speaker 2>so you know, you were breaking the law with all

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<v Speaker 2>of this. Yeah, it is illegal. I'm gonna I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>arrest you one day because that's my job.

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<v Speaker 3>Please don't use time travel to destroy me in the meantime.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because that's also illegal. Dude, you don't don't do

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<v Speaker 2>that as well, because that's that's illegal. You're just going

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<v Speaker 2>to more crimes. Come on, cut out the crimes.

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<v Speaker 3>Also in the scene, we learned that Macomb missed out

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<v Speaker 3>on making billions of dollars because of a bad business deal.

1:11:32.920 --> 1:11:34.960
<v Speaker 3>Back in the nineties, he was co owner of a

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<v Speaker 3>business that now makes all the super conducting chips that

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<v Speaker 3>power all of the time travel technology. But he sold

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<v Speaker 3>his share in this company right before his partner got

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<v Speaker 3>the patent on the chip, so he missed out on

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<v Speaker 3>the money do anyway. In this scene, Ron Silver explains

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<v Speaker 3>that he wants to eliminate the entire Time Enforcement Commission

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<v Speaker 3>because of the dangers it poses. What if an agent

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<v Speaker 3>goes back in time and makes contact with themselves with

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<v Speaker 3>their own body, and they explained that the you know

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<v Speaker 3>this is in the technical reports quote the same matter

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<v Speaker 3>cannot occupy the same space at the same time, which

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<v Speaker 3>made me think, huh, isn't that, by definition what is

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<v Speaker 3>always happening?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is a This is like a rule, an

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<v Speaker 2>important rule in the in the Time Coop universe, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's one that I sometimes I find myself just thinking

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<v Speaker 2>back on in life, just trying to figure out what

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<v Speaker 2>it means, and I never quite can do it, though

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes it does feel truthy enough that if you don't

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<v Speaker 2>think about it too much, you can be like, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that absolutely cannot happen. That would be a paradox and

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<v Speaker 2>it would destroy everything. But if you think too hard

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<v Speaker 2>about it, there are all sorts of holes that emerge

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<v Speaker 2>in the logic here.

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<v Speaker 3>But in the context of the movie, literally all it

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<v Speaker 3>means is that, like you can't touch the body of

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<v Speaker 3>your past self because there will be vague disastrous consequences.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's kind of like in the back of the

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<v Speaker 2>future it's a stabt or they're just looking at you

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<v Speaker 2>encountering yourself in the past. It could potentially have this

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<v Speaker 2>devastating effect. But I don't know. I guess the best

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<v Speaker 2>I can do is, like it's like, if you touch

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<v Speaker 2>yourself in the past, then that means the effect is

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<v Speaker 2>coming before the cause, and there's some sort of temporal

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<v Speaker 2>like just a paradox that destroys itself kind of thing happens.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the best I can do.

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<v Speaker 3>But why would that only be touched. I mean you

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<v Speaker 3>could cause all kinds of changes, Like characters talk to

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<v Speaker 3>each other in the past.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well yeah, they breathe in the same room with

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<v Speaker 2>each other. And then you can also argue that like

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<v Speaker 2>if if it's significantly far enough in the future, it's

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<v Speaker 2>not the same matter, like the things have you get

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<v Speaker 2>down to discussions of how how much of your body

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<v Speaker 2>is the same as your body from ten years ago,

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<v Speaker 2>that sort of thing.

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<v Speaker 3>That is a very good point. Okay, okay, so wait,

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<v Speaker 3>villain scene in a villain limo, this has got a

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<v Speaker 3>future villain limo that Ron Silver gets into to talk

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<v Speaker 3>about all of his plans to commit more crimes and

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<v Speaker 3>do evil. Can we talk about the twenty first century

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<v Speaker 3>cars in this film?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh? I love them.

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<v Speaker 2>These are better than the sci fi cars and free

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<v Speaker 2>Jack in my opinion. These big windowless especially the limo,

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<v Speaker 2>the presidential limo looks really nice. This just sleek windowless

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<v Speaker 2>robot car that you climb into and you ride around

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<v Speaker 2>town in.

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<v Speaker 3>They look like big dustbusters on top of a set

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<v Speaker 3>of wheels.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, are some of those like fancy shoes?

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<v Speaker 4>You see that? They're like who wears that?

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<v Speaker 5>This?

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<v Speaker 4>That's what this looks like? All right?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, in the car, Ron Silver gets a breakdown of

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<v Speaker 3>the latest polling results in his presidential campaign. Now, I

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<v Speaker 3>thought it was interesting that a lot of movies of

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<v Speaker 3>this period, if you've got a megalomaniac politician as a villain,

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<v Speaker 3>the movie would be very vague about what his political

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<v Speaker 3>positions were, I guess, for fear of alienating half of

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<v Speaker 3>the audience. But Time Cop doesn't shy away. It gives specifics.

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<v Speaker 3>Ron Silver's constituency is. This is a quote the pro life,

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<v Speaker 3>pro death penalty coal and the quote closed the border

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<v Speaker 3>America for Americans anti immigration faction. Those are his people.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>As I was watching this film right before this scene,

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<v Speaker 2>I was I was thinking idly to myself, I wonder

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<v Speaker 2>if Macomb's supposed to be, you know, of this political

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<v Speaker 2>party or the other political party. And then they just

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<v Speaker 2>straight up and tits tell me yeah, which again, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>is just not the move you would expect from certainly

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<v Speaker 2>a modern film with a character like this in it.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, his aid says, in order to win, he's gonna

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<v Speaker 3>need a lot more money, and then Ron Silver just

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<v Speaker 3>like smashes his aid's face against the side of the

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<v Speaker 3>car and he's like, don't tell me what I can't do.

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<v Speaker 3>He says elections are won with television, while his aid

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<v Speaker 3>is cringing and holding his bloody nose. He says he

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't need endorsements from the establishment, he doesn't need facts

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<v Speaker 3>on his side. He just needs money and media exposure.

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<v Speaker 3>And to get the television time he needs, he'll have

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<v Speaker 3>to steal fifty million dollars. Clearly, Jean Claude van dam

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<v Speaker 3>is getting in the way of this, so he asked

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<v Speaker 3>this like creepy, silent hinch dude. At the other end

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<v Speaker 3>of the limo to go have a chat with him,

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<v Speaker 3>and then there's a scene of him just like devilishly

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<v Speaker 3>chewing peanuts.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah again, offering peanuts to to the a that he

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<v Speaker 2>just walloped.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Just a great villain performance by Silver.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, Next we got an action scene where Walker is

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<v Speaker 3>asleep in his apartment and he is attacked by Macomb's goons.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought this was a really really fun action scene

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<v Speaker 3>and really funny. So like the creepy guy from the

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<v Speaker 3>limo attacks him with a taser, there's another guy there

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<v Speaker 3>who's like a martial artist who attacks him with a knife,

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<v Speaker 3>and there's like a knife duel and the scene also

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<v Speaker 3>has the famous underwear jump splits onto the kitchen counter

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<v Speaker 3>real quick.

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<v Speaker 2>The knife wielding guy who's credited his knife number one

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<v Speaker 2>is James lu born nineteen fifty two. He was in

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<v Speaker 2>Big Trouble in Little China playing one of the gang

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<v Speaker 2>members in the Big Gang Battle. But he was also

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<v Speaker 2>a martial arts choreographer on that film as well, and

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<v Speaker 2>he's been in tons of stuff. He's been like a

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<v Speaker 2>go to guy for martial arts in Hollywood for decades.

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<v Speaker 3>He's great in this scene and this fight is super fun.

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<v Speaker 3>But this is also the fight I was talking about earlier.

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<v Speaker 3>That's really funny because they're just like they just keep

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<v Speaker 3>like clacking their knife blades together, and you know they're

1:17:21.600 --> 1:17:22.240
<v Speaker 3>not that long.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, all right, well Walker.

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<v Speaker 3>After this fight, he gets a new partner. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>his boss is like, this is one of the best

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<v Speaker 3>parts of any hyphen cop movie. You got to get

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<v Speaker 3>a new partner.

1:17:33.760 --> 1:17:34.000
<v Speaker 4>Yep.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is where we meet agent Sarah Fielding.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, So they are going to be sent out into

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<v Speaker 3>the field together. Fielding is with internal Affairs, and initially

1:17:45.600 --> 1:17:48.400
<v Speaker 3>obviously they're butting heads, but they're sent out into the

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<v Speaker 3>field together to stop a disturbance in time in nineteen

1:17:51.920 --> 1:17:55.840
<v Speaker 3>ninety four that is of course being caused by Ron

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<v Speaker 3>Silver going back in time to do something wicked. And

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<v Speaker 3>this leads to the whole time launch scene. Do you

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<v Speaker 3>want to describe the time launch rocket sled scene?

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<v Speaker 4>Rob, Yeah? Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 2>So we've seen people emerging and re entering like time

1:18:11.000 --> 1:18:14.920
<v Speaker 2>distortion bubbles in the in the past already, but we

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<v Speaker 2>didn't know how they were getting there. We didn't know

1:18:16.800 --> 1:18:19.360
<v Speaker 2>what the apparatus looked like. This is where we find

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<v Speaker 2>out via seeing it, but also some narration between the

1:18:22.720 --> 1:18:26.680
<v Speaker 2>newbie fielding and and and fandamn, you know the old

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<v Speaker 2>hand at this and this is where we realize, oh, well,

1:18:30.000 --> 1:18:32.839
<v Speaker 2>everything in the time Cop headquarters looks like an underground

1:18:32.840 --> 1:18:35.160
<v Speaker 2>bunker because I guess it is. They have some sort

1:18:35.160 --> 1:18:38.479
<v Speaker 2>of like weird accelerator system built in here, and it's

1:18:38.520 --> 1:18:42.240
<v Speaker 2>how they achieved time travel. It seems to involve climbing

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<v Speaker 2>into a rocket propelled sled that is then launched at

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<v Speaker 2>some sort of enormous magnet monolith and if it goes

1:18:51.439 --> 1:18:54.920
<v Speaker 2>everything goes well, then you're going to be like blasted

1:18:55.040 --> 1:18:58.320
<v Speaker 2>through the time bubble to your destination. But if it

1:18:58.400 --> 1:19:00.479
<v Speaker 2>doesn't go well, you're going to be splash it against

1:19:00.479 --> 1:19:04.320
<v Speaker 2>the wall, like the Volmer Twins. Yes, they made well,

1:19:04.439 --> 1:19:06.200
<v Speaker 2>multiple mentions to the vulner Twins.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't know. It's almost like that was a reference

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<v Speaker 3>to something that like the fans would get, but I

1:19:12.000 --> 1:19:13.479
<v Speaker 3>didn't understand what that was about.

1:19:14.280 --> 1:19:16.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, or I think you mentioned earlier too. Maybe it's

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<v Speaker 2>a deleted scene. Maybe there was a scene with Volmer Twins,

1:19:19.400 --> 1:19:21.760
<v Speaker 2>Like I want to know more about the Volmer Twins now.

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<v Speaker 3>Apparently they were splatted against the wall. But yeah, what's

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<v Speaker 3>the deal with So sometimes you go through the rocket

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<v Speaker 3>sled and you appear in the past like in the

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<v Speaker 3>air and fall into the reflecting pool at the Capitol.

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<v Speaker 3>And then other times you just like walk into a

1:19:36.280 --> 1:19:38.400
<v Speaker 3>guy's office from the time field.

1:19:38.520 --> 1:19:43.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, sometimes you just stroll in coolly, you know, as

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<v Speaker 2>if you just strolled in from the other side, and

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<v Speaker 2>not as if you were just aboard a rocket propelled

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<v Speaker 2>sled that was about to make you vomit. So it's

1:19:52.080 --> 1:19:55.080
<v Speaker 2>very inconsistent in this film. But I don't know, I

1:19:55.200 --> 1:19:56.360
<v Speaker 2>love the inconsistency of.

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<v Speaker 3>So Walker and Fielding. They bond, they have some banter

1:20:08.520 --> 1:20:11.160
<v Speaker 3>about time travel, and they go back to nineteen ninety

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<v Speaker 3>four and investigate this disturbance. Of course, it is Ron

1:20:14.320 --> 1:20:16.960
<v Speaker 3>Silver trying to change history. Macomb is going back to

1:20:17.120 --> 1:20:21.559
<v Speaker 3>visit himself in an industrial warehouse while his past self

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<v Speaker 3>is in the middle of trying to sell out his

1:20:23.840 --> 1:20:26.200
<v Speaker 3>share of that computer chip company that would have made

1:20:26.240 --> 1:20:29.400
<v Speaker 3>him billions if he'd stayed a partner in it. Future

1:20:29.439 --> 1:20:32.360
<v Speaker 3>Ron Silver talks to nineteen ninety four Ron Silver. He

1:20:32.439 --> 1:20:35.160
<v Speaker 3>tells him to stop eating candy bars, and then he

1:20:35.360 --> 1:20:38.880
<v Speaker 3>kills his business partner and he says, you own the company. Now,

1:20:39.080 --> 1:20:41.200
<v Speaker 3>why would that be the case if his partner was

1:20:41.280 --> 1:20:44.599
<v Speaker 3>just murdered, he says. He says that they can't touch

1:20:44.640 --> 1:20:47.200
<v Speaker 3>each other because the same matter cannot occupy the same

1:20:47.280 --> 1:20:50.240
<v Speaker 3>space at the same time. And then Walker and Fielding

1:20:50.439 --> 1:20:52.920
<v Speaker 3>sting the meeting. They come out and they're like hands

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<v Speaker 3>up everybody, but Fielding betrays Walker turns out she was

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<v Speaker 3>working for Macomb the whole time. And then there's an

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<v Speaker 3>another action scene.

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<v Speaker 4>This one.

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<v Speaker 3>This one, I will say the first half of it

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<v Speaker 3>I liked less than some of the other action scenes

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<v Speaker 3>because it's just a lot of shooting and it's you know,

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<v Speaker 3>standard nineties gunplay slop. But it later turns into a

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<v Speaker 3>martial arts scene that involves a what's it called a

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<v Speaker 3>liquid nitrogen freezing and shattering moment, which is awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because again this has to do with like super

1:21:26.840 --> 1:21:29.160
<v Speaker 2>cool computer parts, and also of course they have big,

1:21:29.720 --> 1:21:34.040
<v Speaker 2>big containers of liquid nitrogen. One of the time, Goons

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<v Speaker 2>gets his arm frozen in a fight with Van Dam,

1:21:36.680 --> 1:21:39.400
<v Speaker 2>and then of course Van Dam kicks that arm, shatters

1:21:39.479 --> 1:21:42.439
<v Speaker 2>that arm. It's a quality kill. One we've mentioned on

1:21:42.479 --> 1:21:44.800
<v Speaker 2>the show before, back when we did an episode about

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<v Speaker 2>the potential science of freezing and shattering biological matter.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that. I think we did a couple of

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<v Speaker 3>episodes maybe on that called something like shatter like shatter

1:21:56.160 --> 1:21:58.640
<v Speaker 3>me like sub zero. I think, yeah, something like that.

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<v Speaker 3>So Walker, So Walker escapes. Fielding is wounded here but

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<v Speaker 3>not killed. Walker goes back to the future. Now Ron Silver,

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<v Speaker 3>he's changed the past and the future has changed as well.

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<v Speaker 3>He's way ahead in the polls now because he's so rich.

1:22:14.479 --> 1:22:17.080
<v Speaker 3>I guess he's like thirty points ahead. He's definitely gonna

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<v Speaker 3>win and become president. Walker convinces his boss Bruce McGill

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<v Speaker 3>of what happened, and they managed to send Walker back

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<v Speaker 3>to the past in the Rocket Sled once again, despite

1:22:27.040 --> 1:22:29.519
<v Speaker 3>the fact that tec is now being ruled over by

1:22:29.560 --> 1:22:32.920
<v Speaker 3>a corrupt Ron Silver, whose goons come in and shoot

1:22:33.000 --> 1:22:36.360
<v Speaker 3>Matuschik and then Walker. So he goes back to the

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<v Speaker 3>past once again. There is a redemption scene for agent

1:22:39.320 --> 1:22:42.439
<v Speaker 3>Fielding in the hospital. She He goes to talk to

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<v Speaker 3>her and she's like, I'm sorry, I worked with Macomb

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<v Speaker 3>and she agrees to be a witness in time court

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<v Speaker 3>against Ron Silver in the future. But before that can happen,

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<v Speaker 3>she is murdered by the Nasty Boys.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't remember if it's this scene or earlier, but

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<v Speaker 2>we do find out like she's only turned and agreed

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<v Speaker 2>to work with McComb because he threatened her parents, right,

1:23:05.640 --> 1:23:07.840
<v Speaker 2>I think that's right. Yeah, yeah, so she had no

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<v Speaker 2>choice in the matter. I mean, she had a choice,

1:23:10.920 --> 1:23:13.360
<v Speaker 2>but she has reasons for turning to the bad side,

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<v Speaker 2>which you know, I thought was some good development.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Like I said earlier, I kind of wish that

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<v Speaker 3>maybe they could have teamed back up and been buddies

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<v Speaker 3>for the end. But alas killed by the Nasty Boys,

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<v Speaker 3>and so now now dude is on the run. Walker's

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<v Speaker 3>running from them and he but then sort of the

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<v Speaker 3>plot takes a sharp turn here because he realizes he's

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<v Speaker 3>come back in time early enough to prevent his wife

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<v Speaker 3>from being murdered by the Nasty Boys. So he meets

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<v Speaker 3>her in a mall, convinces her that it's really him

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<v Speaker 3>from the future, conspires with her in secret to keep

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<v Speaker 3>him secret from his past self. Which is interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, there's so much that goes on, like this

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<v Speaker 2>film is. It does such a great job of stringing

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<v Speaker 2>all this together. Because also while he was checking on

1:24:01.240 --> 1:24:05.160
<v Speaker 2>fielding at the hospital he found his wife's pregnancy results

1:24:05.280 --> 1:24:06.240
<v Speaker 2>just on the same tray.

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<v Speaker 3>I forgot about that.

1:24:08.000 --> 1:24:10.360
<v Speaker 2>He's like, Oh, yeah, that's what the secret was that

1:24:10.640 --> 1:24:12.560
<v Speaker 2>or that's not the secret. That's what the news was

1:24:12.640 --> 1:24:13.920
<v Speaker 2>that she was going to tell me. It was that

1:24:14.080 --> 1:24:14.840
<v Speaker 2>she was with child.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, Maybe that's the thing that makes him want to

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<v Speaker 3>go do this instead of just getting on with his work.

1:24:21.720 --> 1:24:24.960
<v Speaker 3>But this leads to a huge showdown at their house

1:24:25.760 --> 1:24:28.960
<v Speaker 3>the night Ron Silver's goons are sent back to kill them,

1:24:29.520 --> 1:24:32.679
<v Speaker 3>but this time future van Dam is there to help

1:24:32.840 --> 1:24:35.599
<v Speaker 3>the two of them in the past, so this turns

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<v Speaker 3>into a long, massive action sequence at and around their house.

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<v Speaker 3>I will say the action here was up and down

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<v Speaker 3>for me. There were some parts that were really great

1:24:45.240 --> 1:24:48.400
<v Speaker 3>others that were less interesting. But the payoff at the

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<v Speaker 3>end when they finally have when they finally confront Senator

1:24:53.200 --> 1:24:57.519
<v Speaker 3>Macomb is so good. It's perfect. It has terrible nineteen

1:24:57.600 --> 1:25:00.719
<v Speaker 3>ninety four CGI. That is one of the most beautiful

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<v Speaker 3>things I've ever seen, And it's the payoff of what

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<v Speaker 3>we've been hearing the whole movie. The same matter cannot

1:25:07.040 --> 1:25:10.000
<v Speaker 3>occupy the same place at the same time. They try

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<v Speaker 3>that with Senator mccomb's body.

1:25:12.880 --> 1:25:13.080
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Now the setup to this is also brain breaking because

1:25:16.320 --> 1:25:18.799
<v Speaker 2>we have the big shootout, all sorts of time goons

1:25:18.840 --> 1:25:23.200
<v Speaker 2>are killed. But finally there's like an explosive device. Future

1:25:23.479 --> 1:25:26.560
<v Speaker 2>Ron Silver has MIAs Sarah held captive and he's like,

1:25:26.920 --> 1:25:28.760
<v Speaker 2>I'll blow it up. You know, it doesn't matter to

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<v Speaker 2>me because my future, my past self is out there.

1:25:31.880 --> 1:25:35.439
<v Speaker 2>He's gonna benefit. And so if I die now, then

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<v Speaker 2>he still grows up to be me in the future,

1:25:38.760 --> 1:25:39.880
<v Speaker 2>so it doesn't matter.

1:25:40.120 --> 1:25:42.120
<v Speaker 3>But he grows up to be you, and then you

1:25:42.280 --> 1:25:43.920
<v Speaker 3>come back to the past and die here.

1:25:44.680 --> 1:25:47.920
<v Speaker 2>Hey, are you the head of time travel policing, Joe,

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<v Speaker 2>trust Macomb. He knows how this works. He's the mastermind.

1:25:52.880 --> 1:25:55.040
<v Speaker 2>So at any rate, yeah, I agree that the logic

1:25:55.320 --> 1:25:58.800
<v Speaker 2>it does not make sense. No, but Macomb believes that

1:25:58.880 --> 1:26:01.160
<v Speaker 2>he has the upper hand here. But then oops in

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<v Speaker 2>strolls nineteen ninety four Macomb and he's like, what are

1:26:04.760 --> 1:26:06.439
<v Speaker 2>you doing here? And he's like, well, you left a

1:26:06.479 --> 1:26:08.240
<v Speaker 2>message that I needed to show up here, and he says,

1:26:08.240 --> 1:26:11.840
<v Speaker 2>I did no such thing. Ah, this is this is

1:26:11.920 --> 1:26:13.880
<v Speaker 2>what van Dam has done. He was the one who

1:26:13.960 --> 1:26:17.800
<v Speaker 2>left that message. He orchestrated this and now Macomb's like, well,

1:26:17.880 --> 1:26:19.960
<v Speaker 2>this is just going to be a multiple homicide and

1:26:20.000 --> 1:26:20.519
<v Speaker 2>now it's going to.

1:26:20.520 --> 1:26:21.280
<v Speaker 4>Be a blood bath.

1:26:21.840 --> 1:26:24.960
<v Speaker 2>And then then we get the payoff. We get some

1:26:25.840 --> 1:26:28.800
<v Speaker 2>fun one liners back and forth, but it ends with

1:26:29.320 --> 1:26:32.920
<v Speaker 2>a tussle over the gun and Jean Claude van Dam's

1:26:33.000 --> 1:26:38.280
<v Speaker 2>character kicks ninety four Macomb into two thousand and four Macomb,

1:26:38.800 --> 1:26:42.800
<v Speaker 2>and now Matter is occupying the same same space at

1:26:42.840 --> 1:26:43.360
<v Speaker 2>the same time.

1:26:43.760 --> 1:26:46.680
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, they start melting together and screaming. At one

1:26:46.720 --> 1:26:48.960
<v Speaker 3>point they've got like the two faces and like their

1:26:49.080 --> 1:26:53.800
<v Speaker 3>eyes are joining, and it's it's very well. Eventually they

1:26:53.880 --> 1:26:56.240
<v Speaker 3>turn into what looks like, I don't like a CGI

1:26:56.439 --> 1:27:00.120
<v Speaker 3>version of like an indoscopy procedure, and.

1:27:00.160 --> 1:27:02.800
<v Speaker 2>Then this puddle, and then the puddle it just evaporates

1:27:02.800 --> 1:27:06.880
<v Speaker 2>into nothing. So it's like they just consume themselves and

1:27:07.000 --> 1:27:10.439
<v Speaker 2>are just completely removed from all timelines, though I guess

1:27:10.479 --> 1:27:12.560
<v Speaker 2>they can still remember him, so on some level, I

1:27:12.560 --> 1:27:14.040
<v Speaker 2>don't know. It breaks my brain if I think about

1:27:14.040 --> 1:27:16.599
<v Speaker 2>it too much. But at any rate, Macomb in the past,

1:27:16.680 --> 1:27:18.920
<v Speaker 2>Macomb in the future are gone Macomb. It's as if

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<v Speaker 2>Macomb never existed. And yeah, I remember thinking this. It

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't like I say, the closer you look, the more

1:27:29.240 --> 1:27:34.040
<v Speaker 2>brain destroying it becomes. But how they good here? And yeah,

1:27:34.439 --> 1:27:37.000
<v Speaker 2>it just you gotta Yeah, you can't think about it

1:27:37.080 --> 1:27:41.680
<v Speaker 2>too much. But I do remember loving this sequence back

1:27:41.720 --> 1:27:43.439
<v Speaker 2>in the day. When I saw it in the nineties,

1:27:43.439 --> 1:27:45.559
<v Speaker 2>I was like, this is amazing. These effects are amazing.

1:27:46.120 --> 1:27:49.200
<v Speaker 2>Now it's a bit dated looking. I think the sound

1:27:49.240 --> 1:27:51.519
<v Speaker 2>effects hold up really well. The sound effects help sell it.

1:27:52.040 --> 1:27:54.320
<v Speaker 2>I would not want good effects here. I want these

1:27:54.360 --> 1:27:57.080
<v Speaker 2>effects to be exactly as bad as they are. It's perfect.

1:27:57.160 --> 1:27:59.120
<v Speaker 2>It looks like an after dark screensaver.

1:27:59.400 --> 1:28:00.479
<v Speaker 3>It's beautiful.

1:28:02.200 --> 1:28:03.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, I guess you know. It shouldn't look

1:28:03.920 --> 1:28:07.440
<v Speaker 2>too biological. It's not supposed to look like a realistic

1:28:07.600 --> 1:28:09.960
<v Speaker 2>melt because it's not. This is a this is something

1:28:10.040 --> 1:28:14.200
<v Speaker 2>happening with like like a time paradox resolving itself by

1:28:14.720 --> 1:28:20.240
<v Speaker 2>by destroying matter across time lines or something. At any rate,

1:28:20.360 --> 1:28:21.160
<v Speaker 2>it's a quality kill.

1:28:21.640 --> 1:28:26.040
<v Speaker 3>Yes, So the evil Senator Macomb is defeated. Jean Claude

1:28:26.080 --> 1:28:29.880
<v Speaker 3>van dam, Mia, Sarah and their son live happily ever after,

1:28:29.920 --> 1:28:31.920
<v Speaker 3>and we see like into the future and there's like, oh,

1:28:32.040 --> 1:28:35.599
<v Speaker 3>happy family times and it's happy ending. We get some sweet.

1:28:35.680 --> 1:28:38.679
<v Speaker 3>I think, like some sweet two to do kind of music.

1:28:38.760 --> 1:28:39.400
<v Speaker 3>And that's the end.

1:28:39.960 --> 1:28:42.479
<v Speaker 2>Now, when Jean Claude Van Kidd runs out and he

1:28:42.520 --> 1:28:44.760
<v Speaker 2>scoops him up, I immediately was like, Okay, this is

1:28:44.800 --> 1:28:45.360
<v Speaker 2>the happy ending.

1:28:45.560 --> 1:28:46.280
<v Speaker 4>But he doesn't.

1:28:46.280 --> 1:28:48.200
<v Speaker 2>He doesn't remember. He doesn't know this child at all.

1:28:48.400 --> 1:28:50.560
<v Speaker 2>He's gonna have to like go in and get a

1:28:50.640 --> 1:28:53.960
<v Speaker 2>full breakdown from from Mia Sarah about who this kid

1:28:54.120 --> 1:28:56.800
<v Speaker 2>is and what his relationship to him is. He's gonna

1:28:56.800 --> 1:29:00.080
<v Speaker 2>have to look at some photo galleries or something, or

1:29:00.120 --> 1:29:02.920
<v Speaker 2>at least it's not implied that suddenly a full recollection

1:29:03.520 --> 1:29:06.599
<v Speaker 2>of this timeline comes into his mind.

1:29:07.040 --> 1:29:09.040
<v Speaker 3>That didn't make sense to me. I didn't know, and

1:29:09.920 --> 1:29:12.320
<v Speaker 3>I don't know. As with all the time paradoxes, I

1:29:12.360 --> 1:29:15.240
<v Speaker 3>think you just can't think about it. So that's time cop,

1:29:16.680 --> 1:29:17.479
<v Speaker 3>It's time cop.

1:29:18.360 --> 1:29:22.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, good luck trying to resolve the various time paradoxes

1:29:23.040 --> 1:29:26.439
<v Speaker 2>in this film. Don't do not try it. But all

1:29:26.520 --> 1:29:30.559
<v Speaker 2>that aside, still a super fun nineties sci fi action film.

1:29:31.640 --> 1:29:35.000
<v Speaker 2>Really probably the van dam action film to rewatch on

1:29:35.080 --> 1:29:39.320
<v Speaker 2>it if you're not looking for a pure martial arts picture. Now,

1:29:39.479 --> 1:29:41.960
<v Speaker 2>we of course watched this movie in the future. I mean,

1:29:42.000 --> 1:29:44.559
<v Speaker 2>we're in the future even compared to two thousand and four.

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<v Speaker 2>We would love to hear from anyone who has recollections

1:29:47.800 --> 1:29:49.799
<v Speaker 2>like we do of watching it in the past.

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<v Speaker 3>Did you watch it in nineteen twenty nine?

1:29:53.920 --> 1:29:54.120
<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh man, that was another thing I was thinking, like

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<v Speaker 2>if what else did McComb do to raise money, like

1:30:00.000 --> 1:30:01.960
<v Speaker 2>go back in the past. Like maybe as he's running

1:30:02.000 --> 1:30:03.800
<v Speaker 2>for president, they're like, hey, he's that guy who wrote

1:30:03.840 --> 1:30:05.240
<v Speaker 2>that song, Hey Jude and.

1:30:05.360 --> 1:30:05.720
<v Speaker 4>Let it be.

1:30:07.040 --> 1:30:11.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he wrote so many classic songs. That's where he

1:30:11.640 --> 1:30:14.679
<v Speaker 2>made most of his money. He invented the mister Coffee.

1:30:14.760 --> 1:30:18.000
<v Speaker 2>I mean, he's just like looking around his house. It's like,

1:30:18.280 --> 1:30:20.720
<v Speaker 2>all right, that guys, get in the get in the

1:30:20.800 --> 1:30:23.120
<v Speaker 2>times led, We're going back to invent the mister coffee.

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<v Speaker 2>Daddy needs a little more money for the campaign.

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<v Speaker 3>He's singing thriller in the commercial for the mister Coffee.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, another great, great tune that he wrote. All right, Well, hey,

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