1 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to Okay f Daily with 2 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:18,320 Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Danielle Moody recording Not So Live from 3 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 1: my Brooklyn bunker. Folks, you know, I want to start 4 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 1: off today's show with making a very declarative statement, which 5 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 1: is this, Republicans are working to destabilize America, full stop. 6 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 1: Joe Mansion and Kursen Cinema are working in concert with 7 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 1: them to destabilize America. I believe that both sets right, 8 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 1: these two quote unquote democratic senators and the bullshit Republican 9 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 1: insurrectionists have the same goal, recognize the same problem, and 10 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:07,320 Speaker 1: instead of addressing it head on, they're just in it 11 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 1: to get there. So here's the problem. The problem is 12 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 1: that America has a lot that is fucking wrong right. 13 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 1: Climate crisis is not impending. It is here, our voter 14 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 1: suppression crisis, the crisis of our democracy is not something 15 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 1: that is future thought to be happening in the future. 16 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 1: It is happening now. The assault, the attack on uteruses 17 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 1: is happening now, which you will hear from our friend 18 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: doctor Jonathan Metzel. We are facing a aggressive Supreme Court 19 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 1: who is hell bent on turning America into the wild 20 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 1: wild West, while marauding as if they give a fuck 21 00:01:56,280 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 1: about actual Second Amendment rights. It really just as part 22 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 1: of the grand scheme destabilize America because our problems are 23 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 1: so big and so vast, and you know that Republicans 24 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:12,919 Speaker 1: have no fucking plans, right. I bring this up all 25 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 1: the time that remember during the twenty twenty election, the 26 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:19,079 Speaker 1: RNC did not offer up what their platform was. You 27 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:21,919 Speaker 1: cannot go to the rnc's page right now and pull 28 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 1: up their platform or agenda. They were like, oh, just 29 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 1: rock with what we had in twenty sixteen, as if 30 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 1: nothing in the world has changed during that time. Oh 31 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 1: mind you in my list of things that I said 32 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 1: was wrong, global health pandemic, But that goes without saying. 33 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:42,359 Speaker 1: These days, what I recognize about these people who were 34 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 1: elected to be representative voices for their constituents is that 35 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 1: they're looking at all of these fires, both literal and figuratively, 36 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:58,079 Speaker 1: that are in the country right now, and they're saying 37 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 1: this take a lot of work. It would take a 38 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 1: lot of thought and strategy and policy thinking and writing. 39 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 1: And you know, at the end of the day, I 40 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 1: don't really want all Americans to succeed. At the end 41 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 1: of the day, I really want to make sure that 42 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 1: I don't go to Hell in a handbasket along with 43 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 1: the country. I want to make sure that I get mine. 44 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 1: Eleventh Films, who has been an extraordinary arm I think 45 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:34,679 Speaker 1: very much underutilized by the Democrats of the DNC, the 46 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 1: d Triple C, the DSCC in terms of targeting their messaging. 47 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 1: But Eleventh Films put out a two minute clip I 48 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 1: retweeted it yesterday with regard to Joe Mansion and how 49 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 1: much money Joe Mansion has made, how much money Joe 50 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 1: Mansion's children have made, how much money Joe Mansion's wife 51 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 1: has made, and then they put that in parallel in 52 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 1: comparison to how fucking poor West Virginia is. Did you 53 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 1: know that Joe Mansion has been representing West Virginia in 54 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 1: some form or fashion for forty years. Do you also 55 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 1: know that West Virginia is that the bottom in most 56 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:35,599 Speaker 1: things that you would equate to a successful industrialized country 57 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 1: and state that West Virginia is I think forty seven 58 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 1: or forty six in education, forty seven forty six in healthcare, 59 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:55,280 Speaker 1: in income, they are at the bottom of every fucking 60 00:04:55,320 --> 00:05:00,040 Speaker 1: societal wrong, and yet Joe Mansion, right, I think I 61 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 1: think that they were talking about in this film that 62 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 1: the average income right of people in West Virginia is 63 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:13,600 Speaker 1: somewhere around like twenty eight or thirty thousand dollars a year. Meanwhile, 64 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 1: Joe Mansion is worth about eight million. And here's the 65 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 1: thing is that his paycheck is not where Joe Mansion 66 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 1: has made his money. So this is what we all 67 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:29,799 Speaker 1: have to understand here, is that Joe Mansion, as a senator, 68 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 1: makes a salary which is open. If you go onto 69 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 1: Open Secrets, you can see every member's salary. It's the 70 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 1: point of transparency. But what they don't tell you when 71 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:43,679 Speaker 1: they go to open secrets is that this is only 72 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 1: a portion of what your member is bringing in that 73 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:53,359 Speaker 1: is covered under ethics. Joe Mansion makes one hundred and 74 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 1: eighty four five hundred dollars a year as senator. But 75 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 1: that's not where Joe Mansion gets a ball of his money. 76 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:05,480 Speaker 1: A bulk of his money comes from his son's energy company, 77 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:08,919 Speaker 1: the family energy company. I put that in air quotes, 78 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:12,360 Speaker 1: and I say it with disdain because what is their 79 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:15,479 Speaker 1: energy company about. It's not about clean energy, it's not 80 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 1: about wind energy or solar, it's not about anything that 81 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:22,479 Speaker 1: has to do with the future of preventing climate change. No, 82 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:29,719 Speaker 1: their energy comes from coal. Joe Mansion makes probably about 83 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 1: I think in the film, and you guys check me 84 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 1: in the comment section if I'm wrong, but close to 85 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:39,040 Speaker 1: half a million dollars a year that he's bringing in 86 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:43,360 Speaker 1: from his son's energy company. His wife is bringing in 87 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 1: a little over six hundred thousand. His daughter, who also 88 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 1: has some type of role in that company, was also 89 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 1: in pharmaceuticals where she upped the price of the EpiPen, 90 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 1: which you know people need for life or death, by 91 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 1: six hundred percent. You know, she was one of those 92 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 1: people in the pharmaceutical world that were brought before Congress 93 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 1: because how did you decide to increase the life saving 94 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 1: drug by six hundred percent in one year? Put that 95 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 1: money in your pocket and your shareholders pockets, and think 96 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 1: that nobody was going to notice or do anything about it. 97 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 1: This kind, this family is so fucking shady and has 98 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 1: their hands in so many of the wrong pockets, big 99 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 1: coal and big pharma. So is it anyone surprised then 100 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 1: that Joe Mansion is systematically cherry picking out the measures 101 00:07:53,160 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 1: in the infrastructure bill that would allude to anything that 102 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 1: deals with climate change head on, that he would systematically 103 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 1: work against giving companies strategic timelines for when they have 104 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 1: to change over their businesses and to clean our practices, 105 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 1: because not for anything other than the fact that it 106 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 1: would hurt his bottom line, it would hurt his pocket. 107 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 1: So you see, when you start to follow the money, 108 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 1: as I've been saying on this show, as I've been 109 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 1: saying on any show that will have me on and 110 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:39,679 Speaker 1: on Twitter, when you start to follow the money, you 111 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:47,599 Speaker 1: become very aware of who Joe Mansion is actually representing 112 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 1: in the Senate, who Kursten Cinema is representing in the Senate. Now, 113 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:57,080 Speaker 1: you see, we already know what Republicans are doing, right, 114 00:08:57,200 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 1: Like their mission is power and power for absolute power's sake, 115 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 1: because once they get power, which they will most likely 116 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 1: get back in the House and most likely get back 117 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:10,560 Speaker 1: in the Senate, they're going to blow up the rules. 118 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:13,080 Speaker 1: They're going to do whatever they can to make the 119 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 1: final years of Joe Biden's administration hell on Earth. And 120 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 1: then when they put in their Manchurian candidate, who will 121 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 1: either be Trump or Trump Light, they're going to finish 122 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 1: the job. Right. You remember Mortal Kombat where they were, like, 123 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:33,960 Speaker 1: finish them. That's what the Republicans are doing to our democracy. 124 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 1: Joe Mansion and Kursen Cinema know that to be true. 125 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 1: And instead of using their power to progress the nation 126 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 1: and safeguard us against fascism, against authoritarianism, against an uneven 127 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 1: and imbalanced capitalistic structure, instead of using their power and 128 00:09:56,840 --> 00:10:04,320 Speaker 1: their leverage to add more elements into legislation to caretake 129 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 1: for this country's well being for future generations, They're decided, Nah, 130 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 1: I'm gonna get mine now. The eleventh film lays out 131 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 1: bare that Joe Mansion is not representing the people of 132 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 1: West Virginia, and the people of West Virginia are too 133 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 1: fucking underwater in debt, in under education, in joblessness, in 134 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:38,559 Speaker 1: health disparities that you think that they have the time 135 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 1: and the wherewithal to be able to look and see 136 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 1: that this motherfucker who has forty years of name recognition 137 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 1: hasn't done dick for their state four decades, for fucking decades, 138 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:56,440 Speaker 1: And what does West Virginia have to show for Joe 139 00:10:56,520 --> 00:11:03,840 Speaker 1: Mansion's quote unquote leadership. So we look at these people 140 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 1: and we say, oh, they have a d by their name. 141 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:09,200 Speaker 1: So that means that somehow they're Democrats, and at the 142 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:11,559 Speaker 1: end of the day, no the fuck they are not. 143 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 1: They are shucking and jiving and pimping and holling themselves 144 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 1: out to the highest fucking bidder. Things went wrong in 145 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 1: politics when we allowed an exorbitant amount of money to 146 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:26,719 Speaker 1: flow through. When you have things like open secret that 147 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 1: will tell us about the salary that these members of 148 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 1: Congress are taking from their constituents, from us the taxpayers, 149 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:37,560 Speaker 1: but we don't also follow the money to see who 150 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 1: else they're taking money from. And when you see that 151 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 1: their interests, their own personal interests outweigh that of their 152 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 1: constituents because they're like, Oh, you don't pay me to care. 153 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:56,319 Speaker 1: What Joe Mansion is doing right now. Isn't about fucking 154 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 1: West Virginia. He could give a fuck. He's on a 155 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 1: seven hundred thousan dollar yacht. Okay, literally, he don't care. 156 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 1: Kirsten Cinema, you think she gives a fuck about the 157 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 1: people of Arizona When that bitch is fundraising in Europe. 158 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 1: Those aren't your constituents right in the middle of deals 159 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 1: that would either better or destroy our country. That bitch 160 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 1: got on a fucking flight to go to some fancy 161 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 1: dinners and put more money in her pocket. And ain't 162 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 1: nobody calling her out on it, you know, the saying 163 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:36,840 Speaker 1: that it's sometimes it's your own people. Yeah, don't give 164 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 1: me the bullshit line about Democrats having a big tent. 165 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 1: And you know how Joe Biden entertained progressives at the 166 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 1: White House the other day, as if progressives are the 167 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 1: fucking problem. You can't even get Kirsten Cinema to fucking 168 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:53,559 Speaker 1: show up at the White House. You're sending staff to 169 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:59,839 Speaker 1: her fucking office. What about the optics on that? I 170 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 1: tell you Today, Jonathan and I are going to get 171 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:08,200 Speaker 1: into a very deep conversation where we actually don't agree. 172 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:13,840 Speaker 1: But what we do agree on is that this next 173 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 1: slate of cases before the Supreme Court is putting the 174 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 1: final nail in the coffin of America. That is not hyperbole. 175 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 1: It is not me being very passionate for you know, 176 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 1: for shitsakes, no, no, it is the fucking truth. When 177 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:38,960 Speaker 1: you take away women's rights, when you take away the 178 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 1: people's voice, when you then turn around and with the 179 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 1: same disgruntled, angry, disengaged citizens then decide that you're going 180 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 1: to arm every single one of them, because you're going 181 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 1: to erode one hundred year old laws that are on 182 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 1: the book that would protect places like New York, LA, Boston, 183 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 1: Miami from reckless, reckless, fucking gun laws. When you decide that, 184 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 1: through the Trump administration, you appointed not one, not two, 185 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:18,320 Speaker 1: but three A rated NRA justices, When you have decided 186 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:21,840 Speaker 1: to put not one, not two hundred, but three hundred 187 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 1: federal judges on the bench that also have A ratings 188 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 1: with the NRA, A ratings with evangelical Christian groups, what 189 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 1: the fuck do you think is going to happen? America 190 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 1: is preparing for war. White America is fucking armed to 191 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 1: the gills. They literally have all of the power and 192 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 1: they are about to wield it in some of the 193 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 1: ways that we had only seen in history books. Jonathan 194 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 1: says something that is still ringing around in my head 195 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 1: in our interview. He said that when hundred year old 196 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 1: laws are up for grabs, then everything is up for grabs. 197 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 1: That means Plusy versus Ferguson, Brown versus the Board of Education, 198 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 1: That means every single right, That means marriage equality, that 199 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 1: means every single thing that you thought was decided because 200 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court decided it, and so it is quote 201 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 1: unquote the law of the land. Well, they are showing 202 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 1: you right now that that shit is kind of temporary 203 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 1: until you get the right justices and the right nefarious 204 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 1: fucking Republicans to do your bidding. That it doesn't matter 205 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 1: if it took them thirty years to get back here. 206 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 1: They are back and with a fucking vengeance. And the 207 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 1: question that I have is what the fuck are we 208 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 1: going to do about it? Because I'm telling you they're 209 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 1: not going down without a fight, and neither should we. 210 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 1: Coming up, dear friends, is my woke Wednesday conversation with 211 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 1: our friend doctor Jonathan Metzel. Folks. As always on Wednesdays, 212 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 1: I am so happy to be joined by our in 213 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 1: house doctor, doctor Jonathan Metzel, author of Dying of Whiteness, 214 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 1: to talk about. Usually over the past couple of months, 215 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 1: it has been a mix of COVID, more COVID than guns. 216 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 1: But there is a case that Jonathan has been referencing 217 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 1: coming up to be heard at the Supreme Court on 218 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 1: November third, and in his latest piece for the Boston Review, 219 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court is poised to put politics ahead of 220 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 1: gun violence. New York State rifle and Pistol versus Bruin 221 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 1: may give the right and it's politics of racial resentment 222 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 1: a major win, but at the cost of gun control 223 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 1: laws known to prevent shootings. Jonathan, let's just dive in. 224 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 1: Why is it's so important right now to bring attention 225 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 1: to this case that is coming up in the you know, 226 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 1: in the next few weeks. Why is it important that 227 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 1: all eyes should be on this Bruin case. Well, New 228 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:20,399 Speaker 1: York's had a licensing law in place for since nineteen thirteen, 229 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 1: over one hundred years. And part of why that's important, 230 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 1: excuse me, is that it's been largely effective. Right in 231 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:33,439 Speaker 1: other words, like in the city of New York particularly, 232 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:37,239 Speaker 1: not everyone who wants to get a gun can go 233 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 1: get a gun. You have to show a special a 234 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:42,520 Speaker 1: special reason for getting a gun, like you have a 235 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:45,480 Speaker 1: risky job, or you're being stalked by an ex partner 236 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:47,480 Speaker 1: or something like that. So you go to the process 237 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:50,920 Speaker 1: and you get a license. But the NRA and pro 238 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 1: gun politicians have for quite a long time been eyeing 239 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:55,399 Speaker 1: New York. In other words, if they could open up 240 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:59,240 Speaker 1: the gun market in New York, everybody would be buy guns. 241 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:01,360 Speaker 1: It would destable lies in New York all these factors, 242 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 1: and so they've had an eye on this policy for 243 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:09,160 Speaker 1: quite some time, but they never had the Supreme Court 244 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 1: to be able to overturn it because it's just total horseshit, 245 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 1: to be honest, like, of course you want to be 246 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 1: able to regulate guns in New York because even if 247 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 1: people can carry guns, you know, for protection in reasons 248 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:23,439 Speaker 1: that they can prove, you don't want people carrying guns 249 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:28,200 Speaker 1: in the subway or drunk tourists carrying guns Time Square, 250 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:31,199 Speaker 1: New Year's Eve and stuff like that. And so finally 251 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:34,400 Speaker 1: they have a Supreme Court that's going to side with them, 252 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 1: I think, and say. Basically, their argument is the Second 253 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:42,200 Speaker 1: Amendment should be as protected as the First Amendment. Just 254 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 1: like you can have free speech anywhere, even though you 255 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:47,120 Speaker 1: really can't, you s's to be able to carry guns anywhere. 256 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:50,120 Speaker 1: And so this is a huge risk to New York, 257 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:52,399 Speaker 1: but not just New York, to other Blue cities like 258 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:58,119 Speaker 1: Los Angeles, Boston, San Francisco that have historically regulated guns 259 00:18:58,119 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 1: in public as a matter of public safety. So just 260 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 1: along and the short of it, and I hope people 261 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 1: get to read my piece. People really need to pay 262 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 1: attention because this is one of those cases that can 263 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 1: dramatically change the way we live and die, particularly in 264 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 1: Blue America. You know, I am so scared and I 265 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:26,959 Speaker 1: am wondering why everyone else isn't. And you know, what 266 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 1: is it, Jonathan? I mean, you wrote this long form, explosive, historical, 267 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:37,959 Speaker 1: thoughtful piece, folks, and again I will tell you the 268 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:40,200 Speaker 1: title of it, and it's at the Boston Review. Is 269 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:43,679 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court is poised to put politics ahead of 270 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 1: gun violence prevention. The implications of this are so far reaching. 271 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 1: Like just listening to you say, well, essentially, if a 272 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 1: over one hundred year old law is up for grabs, 273 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 1: then you need to understand that everything is up for grabs. 274 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:06,919 Speaker 1: Should that be the narrative that is coming out of 275 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 1: this White House? Why do you feel like they are 276 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:14,640 Speaker 1: I feel like their heads are in the sand, Like 277 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 1: I just don't understand why there is no alarms going 278 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:25,199 Speaker 1: off right now. I think there is alarm. I just 279 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 1: don't think they can be quite public about it. I 280 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 1: mean the issue in part I mean, I do ask 281 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:33,200 Speaker 1: myself very up in what would Donald Trump have done 282 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 1: he was handled this card? I mean, he would have 283 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 1: overturned the filibuster in five seconds honestly and just done 284 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:43,200 Speaker 1: his thing. But I can say that there we see 285 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 1: like like in the case of guns, for example, Trump 286 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:51,720 Speaker 1: Biden tried to put in as the head of the 287 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 1: ATF somebody who was a strong proponent of gun violence prevention, 288 00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:59,159 Speaker 1: and he couldn't get the support within his own party. 289 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 1: We're seeing now with the budget negotiations. So I think 290 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:07,719 Speaker 1: in a way, if you're just going the traditional route, 291 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 1: Biden's hands are tied in a way because he doesn't 292 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 1: have the votes to do any of the things he wants. 293 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:16,399 Speaker 1: The problem is we're playing by the rules and the 294 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:19,399 Speaker 1: other side isn't. And so you know, if the Republicans 295 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:21,639 Speaker 1: were in our hands on our position, they would have 296 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:24,399 Speaker 1: gone nuclear by now, no doubt about it. And so 297 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:27,160 Speaker 1: part of the issue is we're trying to fix things 298 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:30,200 Speaker 1: within the system, and within the system, the Biden administration 299 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:32,879 Speaker 1: unfortunately doesn't have the votes, and it's it's about to 300 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:36,439 Speaker 1: get a bit more extreme with the twenty twenty two election. 301 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:41,399 Speaker 1: And so again the issue is you know who, I 302 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:44,359 Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know. Everybody read my piece and 303 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 1: tell me what the answer is. I mean, the answer 304 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:52,960 Speaker 1: to me is unless this administration, which we know that 305 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 1: they won't makes a concerted pivot and says, you know, 306 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:02,120 Speaker 1: sometimes times, as you know, to quote the late great 307 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 1: John Lewis, you need to make good trouble and sometimes 308 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 1: the laws that are in place are the wrong fucking laws, 309 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 1: and you need to be able to understand that sometimes 310 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:18,439 Speaker 1: you need to operate outside of that and and know 311 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 1: that justice is on your side, right, and that at 312 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 1: the end of the day, when and if history books 313 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:30,200 Speaker 1: are ever written, right that this is what they will say, 314 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 1: is that like sometimes you have to go to war, 315 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 1: right like this is this is this is that moment. 316 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:39,680 Speaker 1: It's like you're you're you hit the nail on the head. 317 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 1: Democrats are operating and entire operating inside of a system 318 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:47,400 Speaker 1: that no longer exists. Republicans blew it up five years ago. 319 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:52,640 Speaker 1: So if they are literally showing you their hand, women's 320 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:55,480 Speaker 1: rights are on the table, gun laws are on the table, 321 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:58,359 Speaker 1: climate change is on the table, voting rights is on 322 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 1: the table, school desaggregation is on the table. If they're 323 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 1: showing you their hand and you're still operating in quote 324 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 1: unquote good faith, then who is the dummy here? I mean, 325 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:12,920 Speaker 1: of course I agree with you, and that's part of 326 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:16,359 Speaker 1: why I wrote this piece. But the issue is even 327 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:18,680 Speaker 1: the argument. The way my mind works is like there's 328 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 1: one side on the other side. It's probably a vestige 329 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:24,200 Speaker 1: of like some evolutionary screw up or something like that. 330 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 1: But I think the way it look I mean, guns 331 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 1: is such an interesting case, right because it wasn't just like, oh, 332 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 1: we're gonna make you have guns, and there's pro gun 333 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 1: side and anti gun side. What they did is they 334 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:39,720 Speaker 1: totally overturned the gun control side through a pretty intense 335 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:42,879 Speaker 1: process of getting liberals to own guns. Like over the 336 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:48,679 Speaker 1: last year, liberal gun owners have gone up, blackgown owners 337 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:50,760 Speaker 1: have gone up, you know, fifty percent or something like that. 338 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 1: I have all the data and the piece, and so 339 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:56,480 Speaker 1: what they've done is not just you know, the kind 340 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:58,879 Speaker 1: of top down narrative, but they've also figured out a 341 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:02,440 Speaker 1: way to like muddy up the waters in a certain 342 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:04,399 Speaker 1: kind of way so nobody knows quite what side they're on. 343 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 1: And guns is a perfect example of this. Now there 344 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:09,920 Speaker 1: are tons of black Americans because of this very targeted 345 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 1: follow the links in my piece you'll see very targeted, 346 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:15,639 Speaker 1: very conscious effort to tell people, oh, you see what 347 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:17,679 Speaker 1: happened to George Floyd. Well, that means you have to 348 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:19,439 Speaker 1: be armed because the police aren't going to protect you. 349 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 1: Like they're very good at, like you know, undermining even think. 350 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 1: So then when Biden comes in and he's like, oh, 351 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:29,439 Speaker 1: we need gun control, the people are like, no, I 352 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:31,399 Speaker 1: need a gun to protect myself from the police. So 353 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:34,440 Speaker 1: in a way, they're very good at marketing to our side. Also, 354 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:36,680 Speaker 1: it's not just marketing to their own people. And I've 355 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:40,200 Speaker 1: been saying since the election that that's in a less 356 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,679 Speaker 1: nefarious way, that's what we need to be doing. Like 357 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:45,680 Speaker 1: when we were protecting the Affordable Care Act, we should 358 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 1: have been putting Republicans on the defensive, like having their 359 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 1: own targeting their own base and saying, hey, why isn't 360 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 1: your person giving you healthcare something like that, But we 361 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:55,879 Speaker 1: never do that. It's all about virtue signal for our 362 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:59,160 Speaker 1: own side. And the reality is is that while yes, 363 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 1: I agree with you in terms of the marketing that 364 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:04,639 Speaker 1: is done and that they are incredibly savvy, reality is 365 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 1: also a good marketer too. The fact is is that 366 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 1: I was one of those people and I am one 367 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:12,920 Speaker 1: of those black people that are just like you know what, 368 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 1: they're going to try and kill us right, like they 369 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 1: are doing it every day and it is only through 370 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:23,400 Speaker 1: the grace of God that we don't see more headlines 371 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:27,360 Speaker 1: every day of another unarmed black person that was hunted, 372 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 1: that was killed in a street like a fucking animal. 373 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:34,120 Speaker 1: And frankly in saying, we know that the cops don't 374 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 1: protect us, they never have, right, It was one of 375 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 1: the reasons why the Black Panthers, along with creating food 376 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 1: programs and literacy programs, were like, you need to exercise 377 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,159 Speaker 1: your Second Amendment rights. This is not new because the 378 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:49,200 Speaker 1: fact is is that when we're talking about there being 379 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 1: over close to four hundred million guns in the United States, 380 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 1: a majority of them are not owned by people of color, right, 381 00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,160 Speaker 1: And so when you start to look at the numbers 382 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 1: realize that you're already being hunted, then it is then 383 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:06,440 Speaker 1: who are what are you going to You're gonna sit 384 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,160 Speaker 1: around and say, oh, no, we're going to march this out. 385 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 1: No you're not, because at some point in time that's 386 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 1: not what is going to work, right. But I mean, 387 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:17,879 Speaker 1: it's funny, because this is the book I'm writing right now, 388 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:21,480 Speaker 1: is that on one hand, it's like, well, they have guns, 389 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:24,159 Speaker 1: and guns have been so constructed as a vestige of 390 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:28,160 Speaker 1: white authority that it's like, well, if you have a gun, 391 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:29,920 Speaker 1: I want a gun, and so that makes sense, right, 392 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 1: that makes emotional sense, and I understand that position. But 393 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:35,879 Speaker 1: I also think it's a very dangerous slippery slope for 394 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 1: a couple of reasons. One is, trust me, American society 395 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,720 Speaker 1: is never going to let it's never going to be 396 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,720 Speaker 1: a fair fight. I'll say that white America is always 397 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 1: going to be better armed in every way possible. The 398 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:53,679 Speaker 1: system is built that way, and so a bunch of 399 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:58,120 Speaker 1: any group of people running out and getting arms, it's 400 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 1: not going to overturn the system. It's going to solve 401 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,119 Speaker 1: systemic oppression. That's That's kind of the point I get to. 402 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:06,440 Speaker 1: My piece is there's an emotional pull of doing that. 403 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 1: On one hand, it makes sense, right, you feel like 404 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 1: the other side has guns, why don't we? But you're 405 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,680 Speaker 1: also playing right into the hands of the gun manufacturers 406 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:18,199 Speaker 1: and the gun sellers. Um, you're also opening up the 407 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 1: door for all these other unintended consequences, like in places 408 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 1: like Tennessee where I am right now, opening up gun 409 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:29,200 Speaker 1: rights has also led to more aggressive policing, um incarceration 410 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 1: for all these other kinds of crimes that are almost 411 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:36,719 Speaker 1: over overwhelmingly Black Americans, like you know, gun theft and 412 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 1: gun whatever and stuff like that, Um, that that are 413 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:43,640 Speaker 1: getting charged. Um, And it's and it's in a way 414 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:49,359 Speaker 1: m justifying. Um, you know, white flight, unequal tax faces, 415 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:53,680 Speaker 1: all these other unintended consequences of militarization. So I guess 416 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:58,160 Speaker 1: the hard, harder question is how do you resist that narrative? Right, 417 00:27:58,240 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 1: it's not just like, oh, you have guns, I'm going 418 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 1: to to get guns. You actually have to think what's 419 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 1: another answer other than running out to get guns? Because 420 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:09,400 Speaker 1: I just really worry that if everybody's got guns, we're 421 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,960 Speaker 1: just going to have the same problems of structural racism. 422 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:13,800 Speaker 1: It's just that the stakes are going to be a 423 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:17,359 Speaker 1: lot more lethal. And the funny thing is is that 424 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,760 Speaker 1: I never play Devil's Advocate, and not with you, and 425 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,439 Speaker 1: very rarely on the show. But the reality is is 426 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:25,960 Speaker 1: that for black people and people of color, the stakes 427 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,360 Speaker 1: have always been high, and our lives have always been 428 00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 1: on the line, and our blood has always been the 429 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,200 Speaker 1: one that has been spilled in the streets. And so 430 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,400 Speaker 1: we know that the system is rigged against us. We 431 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,080 Speaker 1: know that we are going to be outgunned and out 432 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 1: out maneuvered and outpowered. And at the end of the day, 433 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 1: when we're marching steadily towards this apocalyptic present, it's like, 434 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 1: do you want to go out on your feet or 435 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,320 Speaker 1: do you want to go out on your knees? And 436 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:54,560 Speaker 1: I'm telling you that there are many people that are 437 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 1: moving in the direction of I'd rather go out on 438 00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:00,960 Speaker 1: my feet. Don't because don't you start packing me. I'm 439 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:05,480 Speaker 1: just I'm just I'm just I'm just saying I am 440 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:09,440 Speaker 1: just like the other side. I know we're at a time, 441 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 1: but I would just ask people to read the piece 442 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,240 Speaker 1: because there's a long history of who gets to carry 443 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:16,280 Speaker 1: a gun in public and so um, there's there's a 444 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 1: history of race here. That's just really really important to 445 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 1: remember that the minute black people start carrying guns in public, 446 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,800 Speaker 1: that's what led to the clan night rides for example, 447 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,200 Speaker 1: that led to all these other factors. And so I 448 00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 1: just I would urge people to look at places where 449 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 1: there are equal open carry rights like here in Tennessee, um, 450 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:37,960 Speaker 1: and see that the effect is more inequity, more racism, 451 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,800 Speaker 1: not less, because it leads to all these other unattended 452 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:45,840 Speaker 1: consequences like um, white flight, unequal text, bases war, says 453 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:47,840 Speaker 1: all the other kind of things. And so in a 454 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:51,280 Speaker 1: way I understand that urge and and and just to 455 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 1: be very clear, the article is about carrying guns in public. 456 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:59,480 Speaker 1: It's not about guns. Gun ownership. That's what right right now. Yeah, um, 457 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:01,840 Speaker 1: so we'll have to see. But but I would just say, 458 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 1: you know, if um, but if you get if you start, 459 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 1: if you start carrying, I'll just hide behind you. So 460 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 1: that is it for me today. Make sure to tune 461 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 1: in at three thirty pm East Stern for Woke Wednesdays, 462 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 1: where I'm going in on that motherfucker Joe Mansion. As always, 463 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,280 Speaker 1: Power to the people and to all the people. Power, 464 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:28,680 Speaker 1: get woke and stay woke as fuck.