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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 2: Blazarre and Lazarre. He everybody nailed it, joined as always

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Speaker 2: by our bar Ga Gavi.

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Speaker 1: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex bar So.

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Speaker 3: They're throwing the football almost seventy percent of the time

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Speaker 3: with Burrow or Flacco.

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Speaker 2: It's the numbers are stagged.

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Speaker 1: Today, ranked second in the league in past attempts, thirty

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Speaker 1: second in Russian house.

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Speaker 3: It's bizarre because their run game is not terrible, and

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Speaker 3: Chase Brown's a good player. Now, maybe he's more of

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Speaker 3: like a scat back than a true downhill between the

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Speaker 3: tackles back, and maybe they need a compliment to Chase

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Speaker 3: Brown to be able to do that. But you know

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Speaker 3: the book, and this is with Chase, so I'll put

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Speaker 3: that caveat on there. But the book that's been forming

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Speaker 3: against this Flacco iteration of the Bengals is all right,

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Speaker 3: we're just gonna play two high safeties. We're gonna put

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Speaker 3: one safety over Chase. We're gonna put one safety over Higgins.

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Speaker 3: Joe Flacco's not going anywhere, so we don't have to

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Speaker 3: worry about him scrambling and we know you're not gonna

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Speaker 3: run the ball tops tops. To the Bengals credit out

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Speaker 3: they ran the ball a little bit in this game. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: they adjusted, and I thought that they actually had And

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Speaker 3: I'm not doing this to put lipstick on a pig

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Speaker 3: or anything like that for the Patriots, not that I

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Speaker 3: have to. They still won the game. But I actually

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Speaker 3: thought the Bengals had a really good coaching performance in

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Speaker 3: this game. From a game plan perspective. I know some

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Speaker 3: people are nippicky about some of their decisions, some of

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Speaker 3: their kick decisions and fourth downs things like that, but

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Speaker 3: I thought that defensively they were buttoned up, had a

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Speaker 3: good plan. I thought offensively, buttoned up had a good plan.

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Speaker 3: They knew the Patriots were shorthanded in the middle of

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Speaker 3: the defense without Milton Williams, and then Tonga goes out

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Speaker 3: pretty early in the game, and to their credit, they

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Speaker 3: handed the ball off to Chase Brown and let them

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Speaker 2: So I want to give the Bagels a little bit

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Speaker 3: I think that they they played a good game, they

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Speaker 3: played desperate, They coached well in this game. It was

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Speaker 3: a good game for Cincinnati. Now with that being said,

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Speaker 3: the Patriots have won nine in a row. If you've

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Speaker 3: heard that, They're ten and two. They are in a

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Speaker 3: great spot right now, with one game left until they're

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Speaker 3: bye week. But at the same time, you know, I

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Speaker 3: hate I hate being this guy. I hate being the like,

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Speaker 3: you know, the one that kind of like rains on

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Speaker 3: the parade of the nine straight wins after a big

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Speaker 3: w But at the same time, this injury to Will

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Speaker 3: Campbell looms large.

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Speaker 2: It just does.

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Speaker 3: And at this point, between losing Will Campbell, Jared Wilson,

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Speaker 3: but losing those three guys, it is really going to

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Speaker 3: be a challenge for this team. And I'm surprised a

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Speaker 3: little bit by some of the talking points coming out

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Speaker 3: of this game. I'm surprised how like calm everybody is

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Speaker 3: all this you know, built up trust in everybody in

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Speaker 3: the operation and the coaching staff that oh, yeah, well,

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Speaker 3: Campbell'll be fine, right, They'll put Viderien Low in there,

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Speaker 3: they'll give him help, and it'll be fine.

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Speaker 2: And I think that there's some truth to that.

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Speaker 3: But at the same time, I do have to kind

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Speaker 3: of go back to some of my prior feelings about

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Speaker 3: this team coming into the season and not be completely

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Speaker 3: jaded by a nine game winning streak. And look at

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Speaker 3: what we thought about this roster when it was assembled.

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Speaker 3: Was much better frontline talent, much better starting eleven on

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Speaker 3: both sides of the football. Do they have the depth?

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Speaker 3: Do they have the depth to with stand an injury

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Speaker 3: you know, with stand an injury to Milton Williams, two

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Speaker 2: And Williams were your two most important guys.

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Speaker 1: Well, we even talked about this last week that defensive

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Speaker 1: And it did make a difference not having them now.

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Speaker 1: They also lost Tonga, which we obviously weren't factoring in

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I don't maybe this is just knee jerk

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Speaker 3: Milton Williams barely played against the Jets either. But I thought,

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Speaker 3: they ran the ball pretty effectively on the Patriots, and

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Speaker 3: So I want to talk a little bit about, you know,

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Speaker 3: how they're gonna move forward here in the short term

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Speaker 3: because again, I think that we knew that their roster

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Speaker 3: especially the frontline play at the top of the roster.

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Speaker 3: They had a better left tackle, they had a better

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Speaker 3: in August, it was that they still don't have great

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Speaker 3: everybody's fine with it, right, And I guess I'm just

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Speaker 3: a little bit surprised by that. I don't know how

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Speaker 1: A little bit. Look, I think when the team's going good,

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Speaker 1: we find the do they Brady yep? Do they bill yup?

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Speaker 1: They'll be good. And maybe there's a little bit of

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Speaker 3: So I think a lot of this confidence stems from

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Speaker 2: There's no doubt about it that Josh McDaniels is.

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Speaker 3: Much He's very very good and maybe one of the

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Speaker 3: best I've seen at scripting pass protection, right, Like, how

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Speaker 3: So there's some built up trust in mcdaniels's ability to

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Speaker 3: I get that, and I think that that's very very true.

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Speaker 2: It was just that, I don't think I would be

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Speaker 3: But obviously, you know, Vederian Lowe not just based off

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Speaker 3: like I said, to support tackles, whether that's chip help,

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Speaker 3: whether that's you know, scripting run and play action, and

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Speaker 3: then not really getting into those traditional drop back settings

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Speaker 3: You want to play the games on schedule so that

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Speaker 2: There's all that stuff is fair, you know.

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Speaker 3: I think the other thing that kind of has a

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Speaker 3: So they've done this already at a pretty decent clip,

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Speaker 3: you know, using six offensive lines, using like max protection

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Speaker 1: No, I it's it is fun, like they've One night,

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Speaker 2: Okay, So let's get to the good, the bad, and

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's impressive. It's their longest win streak since twenty fifteen.

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Speaker 3: Right, That's what Drake May did for the Patriots on Sunday.

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Speaker 1: that's like I said. I like Ben Brown is a

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Speaker 1: solid player. Yeah, And Vaderian Low I do think as

436
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Speaker 1: much as he struggled last year. We talked about sometimes

437
00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:32,800
Speaker 1: that the group can be better than the sum of

438
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Speaker 1: its parts. I think the reverse can be true too,

439
00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:38,600
Speaker 1: And if like the lines, if it's across the board

440
00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:40,359
Speaker 1: not good. It makes all the players look worse than

441
00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:42,639
Speaker 1: they actually are. They're in a better position out to

442
00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:44,520
Speaker 1: maybe help out Darien Low a little more. But the

443
00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:47,480
Speaker 1: point I was gonna make the chemistry might be the

444
00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:50,679
Speaker 1: bigger concern for me than the actual like schematic element though.

445
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean they've done a great job. Look I

446
00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:55,240
Speaker 3: say it all the time. You're gonna have some one

447
00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:57,879
Speaker 3: on one losses in pass protection in the NFL, Like

448
00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:00,240
Speaker 3: those pass rushers are freaking beasts and they get paid

449
00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:03,080
Speaker 3: two and when you lining up every single week against

450
00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:06,960
Speaker 3: good players, like you're gonna get beat. Sometimes you can

451
00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,880
Speaker 3: live with those ones. It's the ones where you're you're

452
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Speaker 3: doomed from the snap right where the guys are coming

453
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Speaker 3: free and you know there's blitzers off the edge or

454
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Speaker 3: there's blitzers up the middle that are just unblocked.

455
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Speaker 2: Like, those are the ones you can't have.

456
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Speaker 3: If you're gonna have like one on one losses, it's

457
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Speaker 3: gonna happen die slowly, right, so that like the quarterback

458
00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:27,960
Speaker 3: should be able to still have a chance on those plays,

459
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Speaker 3: is my point. You know, usually you don't see a

460
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Speaker 3: ton of pressure in like under two and a half

461
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Speaker 3: seconds where the quarterback has zero chance to get rid

462
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,160
Speaker 3: of the football. In this game, you saw a lot

463
00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:41,400
Speaker 3: of that, and and that was concerning. Now, I want

464
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Speaker 3: to stick with the goods and then I want to

465
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Speaker 3: break down some of that a little bit more. But

466
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Speaker 3: sticking with the goods, you know, we had Drake may

467
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Speaker 3: still have some high level throws in this game that

468
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Speaker 3: stood out a new career high for Hunter Henry one

469
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Speaker 3: hundred and fifteen receiving yards. Yeah, I thought he was

470
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Speaker 3: excellent in this game. You know, he got wide open

471
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Speaker 3: on the touchdown, but twenty eight yard touchdown. I thought

472
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Speaker 3: the thing that really got the Patriots offense going after

473
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Speaker 3: the pick six. They went to a lot of you know,

474
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Speaker 3: heavy personnel. They actually ran one snap out of twenty

475
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Speaker 3: two with the full back west Over and Henry and

476
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,560
Speaker 3: Hooper on the field altogether, and then they ran a

477
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Speaker 3: lot of empty you know, empty formations, you know, running

478
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Speaker 3: back in the backfield. And they inverted the formation so

479
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:27,080
Speaker 3: the outside players were Westover and Henderson and then the

480
00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:30,040
Speaker 3: inside players were the receivers. And so that's an inqu

481
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Speaker 3: You call that an inverted formation because you think that

482
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Speaker 3: you know, traditionally you would think it would be the

483
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Speaker 3: opposite right, that those guys would be in the backfield

484
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,399
Speaker 3: or inside the formation and the other guys would be outside.

485
00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:43,439
Speaker 3: So they inverted the formation and all they did was

486
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:48,760
Speaker 3: consistently get Hunter Henry on these Bengals linebackers in coverage.

487
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,520
Speaker 3: And these Bengals linebackers we've talked to the tracks all

488
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Speaker 3: last week. That was the thing he kept pointing out

489
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Speaker 3: about this Bengals defense is, you know, rookie linebackers, inexperienced

490
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Speaker 3: linebackers that have struggled this year. And whether it was

491
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,440
Speaker 3: you know, Barrett Carter, whoever it was, you know, Hunter

492
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Speaker 3: Henry has beat those guys like a drum. Like he

493
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:09,639
Speaker 3: was running inns, crossers, slants, you know, things like that

494
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 3: into the middle of the field against that linebacker coverage

495
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:15,280
Speaker 3: and he just had a day living inside there. I

496
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:17,040
Speaker 3: thought Hooper was big too. I thought he made a

497
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:19,439
Speaker 3: couple of big catches in this game as well. But

498
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Speaker 3: a lot of what I felt like kind of settled

499
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:25,640
Speaker 3: them down. They got into twenty one, they played right

500
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Speaker 3: under center, they started running the ball, they got the

501
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,760
Speaker 3: tight ends involved like that was kind of what got

502
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:32,960
Speaker 3: the offense into this game and settled down a bit

503
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Speaker 3: after this slow start.

504
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there's something to be said for you know,

505
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Speaker 1: Hunter Henry's had a quieter season this year statistically. I

506
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Speaker 1: don't want to say he's had a down season because

507
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:46,840
Speaker 1: he hasn't. He's still been good. The volume's just not

508
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,240
Speaker 1: there because the last few years he's kind of been

509
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:52,200
Speaker 1: the only guy. Yeah, and now there's other You start

510
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:54,639
Speaker 1: of Steph on Diggs, art pop Thuglis start kseh on booty,

511
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:56,359
Speaker 1: throw to mac Hollins, who, by the way, continues to

512
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Speaker 1: make plays. Yeah, but wouldn't you know it, things get

513
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 1: a little tough off. What has Drake may do? He

514
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,119
Speaker 1: goes right back to the security blanket, right back to

515
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Speaker 1: the guy he trusts, and it speaks to Hunter Henry

516
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 1: like he hasn't had a game like that this year,

517
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Speaker 1: but stayed ready when the moment came up. I think

518
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Speaker 1: the veterans, Henry and I want to give Steph Diggs

519
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 1: credit to the veterans carried them. Diggs did not have

520
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,199
Speaker 1: a very He kind of had the opposite of Henry.

521
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:20,359
Speaker 1: He did not have a very statistically productive game. Yeah,

522
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,119
Speaker 1: but he had a very impactful game to play. I

523
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Speaker 1: go back to him. Mike Rabel singled this out in

524
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Speaker 1: his postgame press conference. They get backed up into first

525
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 1: and twenty, like kind of back under their own goalpost,

526
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:34,359
Speaker 1: and he hits Henry on like an eight yard in

527
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:36,240
Speaker 1: and it was going to be like a nice game.

528
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:38,200
Speaker 1: It was gonna set them up with a second and manageable.

529
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Speaker 1: But Steph Diggs sets this great block and creates an

530
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Speaker 1: angle for Hunter Henry to run for the first down

531
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Speaker 1: like that kind of play. Thirty one year old receiver

532
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:46,880
Speaker 1: has been in all pros, done everything that is doing

533
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,399
Speaker 1: this league, steps up and sets that kind of block.

534
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Speaker 1: That's part of the reason this team is where they

535
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 1: is because they have guys willing to do that. So

536
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Speaker 1: not gonna be a lot of talk about Steph Diggs

537
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 1: after a game like that. He had two catches and

538
00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:58,159
Speaker 1: they were big catches. He had one big third down

539
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:01,440
Speaker 1: con version late in the game. But Steph Diggs deserves

540
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 1: credit for the way he played in this game. And

541
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Speaker 1: you know, when you have a rough game like that,

542
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,200
Speaker 1: it's a young team, you're gonna want to lean on

543
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 1: the veterans, and that's what they did. Henry Diggs, mac

544
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:12,639
Speaker 1: Hollins like those guys came up big and helped get

545
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Speaker 1: him cross the finish line.

546
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Speaker 3: On offense, we haven't really seen a ton of them,

547
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 3: you know, being behind Lee lately. I think that was

548
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 3: the first time they.

549
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Speaker 1: Were being on behind Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that was

550
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 1: the first time. They haven't been in that spot that much,

551
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:25,439
Speaker 1: which is why I find it notable.

552
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Speaker 3: I feel like that was the first time that they

553
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,680
Speaker 3: were I think that it was since the Pittsburgh game.

554
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Speaker 1: Well, they've trailed a lot because they keep giving up

555
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 1: these first drive touchdowns.

556
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 2: Right, but they haven't been down double digits.

557
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 1: They usually catch up pretty quickly.

558
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I to see that.

559
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,160
Speaker 3: You know, you get down ten to nothing on the road,

560
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:45,879
Speaker 3: you throw a pick six, McDaniel's going back to under center,

561
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,400
Speaker 3: full back in the backfield like that it's still that's

562
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:51,439
Speaker 3: still it, right, Like that's still the let's level this.

563
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:52,920
Speaker 2: Thing off for Josh McDaniels.

564
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:55,679
Speaker 3: That that's still his his bag, Like that's still what

565
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 3: he's going to go to in those situations. And obviously

566
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,440
Speaker 3: the tight ends are each part of that. The other

567
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:05,200
Speaker 3: thing that I thought was, you know, really, uh good,

568
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 3: good sign. Good thing in this game from the offensive

569
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 3: perspective them We'll move over to the defense. They're gonna

570
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,919
Speaker 3: need this now moving forward, obviously with the backups on

571
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 3: the left side, Morgan, Moses, Garrett Bradbury, Mike on wn Who.

572
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 3: I thought all three of these those guys are really

573
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:23,359
Speaker 3: good in this game. I only had them allowing two

574
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 3: pressures combined among the three of them in the entire game.

575
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 3: On when who I thought was particularly good. I counted

576
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,439
Speaker 3: eight plus blocks in the run game from those three guys.

577
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,119
Speaker 3: They're the starters, right like, they're the guys that have

578
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 3: been the starters all year long. Their right side is

579
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 3: still intact, their center is still intact. So they're gonna

580
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:43,920
Speaker 3: need those three guys to step up and play their

581
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:47,119
Speaker 3: best football without Wilson and Campbell and and kind of

582
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 3: give them a steady side of the offensive line. You know,

583
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 3: if the left side gets you know, takes a little

584
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 3: bit of a step back. So I was encouraged. I

585
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 3: think on when Who was really starting to play a

586
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 3: lot better. Uh, he's kind of taken you know, He's

587
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,440
Speaker 3: to turn it on here a little bit. I don't

588
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,879
Speaker 3: know exactly why that is, but I thought he started

589
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,400
Speaker 3: a little bit slow this season, and now that we're

590
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 3: getting into, you know, the later part of the season,

591
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:12,360
Speaker 3: he's starting to really pick it up. He had an

592
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 3: awesome backside combination block on an outside zone run that

593
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 3: was a positive play where you know, he got two

594
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 3: guys and looked really good on the play. No pressure

595
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 3: is allowed in pass protection. So I think that he's

596
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 3: starting to pick it up a little bit. And you

597
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:28,719
Speaker 3: can lean on that, and I think that one thing

598
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:32,120
Speaker 3: that's interesting or you know, kind of confusing. I guess too,

599
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 3: like why don't they just run it behind Moses and

600
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 3: on Whney won the goal line? Like I don't really

601
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 3: understand it, like you have you have like seven hundred

602
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 3: and fifty pounds of beat right on that side of

603
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 3: the offensive line. I get like the in theory, like

604
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 3: maybe you want to run it, you know, up the

605
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 3: mill or to the left and then kind of cut

606
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 3: it back behind those guys instead of just going right

607
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 3: behind him. But when you have one yard to go,

608
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 3: like just turn the turn around, hand the ball off

609
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 3: and run it right down their throats behind two guys.

610
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 3: And I think on when who's probably, if we're being

611
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 3: you know, nice about it, three forty three fifty and

612
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 3: Moses is probably three thirty, right, you know, so we're

613
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 3: talking about two guys that are almost to combine seven

614
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 3: hundred pounds of beef on that side.

615
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 1: I get not wanting to be predictable, but when you

616
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 1: have eight shots at it, right, you have to do

617
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 1: it every time. But maybe mixing it. Yeah, absolutely all right.

618
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 3: Moving over to the defense on the goods, a couple

619
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 3: of goods on that side of the ball. Carlon Davis.

620
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 3: I thought this is probably his best game as a Patriot.

621
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Speaker 1: I think that's pretty clear.

622
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean the DPI was a tough call,

623
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 3: and you know you'd have to mention it, but but.

624
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 1: You have to love it. And he said it after

625
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 1: the game. He responded like it made him bounce back,

626
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 1: which is the mentality you want.

627
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 3: I thought he had four really high level coverage plays

628
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 3: in this game. Obviously the three pass breakups on the

629
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 3: final drive for the Bengals, but then on the pick

630
00:29:58,160 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 3: six on Marcus Jones'.

631
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 2: Pick six, he has the coverage.

632
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 3: On T Higgins on that play, which is where Flacco

633
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 3: and Flacco starts looking down the field, he wants to

634
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 3: go to T Higgins down the field, and Carlton Davis

635
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 3: smothered the route and was all over T Higgins and

636
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 3: so he had to come off it and come to

637
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 3: the check down late, and so I thought that Carlton

638
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 3: Davis was a huge part of making that pick six happen. Like,

639
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 3: if Carlton Davis doesn't cover te Higgins there as tightly

640
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 3: as he did, then maybe Flacco's throwing the ball to

641
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 3: Higgins on that play instead of throwing the ball in

642
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 3: the flat. So really good game I thought from Carlton

643
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 3: Davis really stepped up in this game. I think I

644
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 3: still have no real I know, he's kind of been

645
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 3: a little bit of a lightning rod. They paid him

646
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 3: a lot of money in the offseason. I've thought that

647
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 3: he's been pretty steady for most of the season. He

648
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 3: gives up a play here or there, it's gonna happen.

649
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 3: But I don't think that. I don't really have any

650
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 3: major gripes and haven't had any major gripes with Carlon Davis.

651
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 1: And he's played.

652
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 2: He played really well in this game.

653
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I mean, has he like I thought he'd

654
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,160
Speaker 1: maybe be a little better than he's been. But that

655
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 1: doesn't mean he's been bad. He's given you really good

656
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 1: you know. I think he's given you a really good

657
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 1: number two corner play. Yeah, maybe it's not the one A,

658
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 1: one B we were looking for, but he's still been,

659
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 1: you know, a legitimate cover corner and yeah, been waiting

660
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 1: for him to have a game like that. Glad he

661
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 1: had it. Maybe that kind of launches the second half.

662
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 1: I go back to, and this is an extreme example.

663
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 1: You remember Steph Gilmore's first five games in New England. Yes, brutal, Yeah,

664
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 1: and they got hurt in at Tampa game and came

665
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 1: back and was the best corner in football for a

666
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 1: year and a half. So and not that I'm saying

667
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 1: Carlton Davis is going to have this like wow dissension,

668
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 1: but I yeah, I he hasn't been exactly what I

669
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 1: thought he was. Really he was really good in this game,

670
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 1: especially down the stretch. I think you summed it up perfectly.

671
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 3: If you had this expectation that they were going to

672
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 3: have this one A, one B, you know, two number

673
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 3: one corners kind of lineup with Carlton Davis, he probably

674
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 3: hasn't been that, but he's definitely been a solid number

675
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 3: two corner. You know, number two corners are not expected

676
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 3: to shut down their side of the field every single week.

677
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,959
Speaker 3: That's what all pro corners like Christian Gonzalez are expected

678
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 3: to do so. I think that Carlton Davis has done

679
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 3: his job on the whole this season, and I don't

680
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 3: know why there's so much criticism towards him, honestly. Next

681
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 3: one up here on defense, both Klevon Chase On and

682
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 3: Christian Barmore were basically the Patriots disruption upfront. Like, those

683
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 3: two guys are the guys that were creating the most chaos.

684
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 2: Seven total pressures.

685
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 3: Barmore had a couple of run stuffs, Chason had the

686
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 3: pressure on the last play of the game on the

687
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 3: fourth down. You know he's locked a quarterback hit on

688
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 3: that play on the all out pressure. I thought those

689
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 3: two guys, you know, I was disappointed on the hole

690
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 3: with how the defensive line played in this game. But

691
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 3: those two guys continued to play well and stand out.

692
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 3: And Barmore was doing it with a ton of double

693
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:48,479
Speaker 3: teams without Milton Williams as well. But if they were

694
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 3: basically the pass rush, those two players were basically it.

695
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, again, you could notice Milton Williams absence. I think

696
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 1: you notice in the game he didn't play just how

697
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 1: good he's been so.

698
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 3: Ye, But those who get to that after it last

699
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 3: thing here on the good side.

700
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 2: Uh, Kyle Williams kick returner.

701
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 1: I like it. Finally saw it.

702
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 2: I liked it.

703
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 3: I think that this is a this is a role

704
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 3: for him moving forward. He had the thirty six yard return.

705
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 3: That's the Patriot's longest return since uh Antonio Gibson's touchdown

706
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 3: in Week two in Miami.

707
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 2: So they it looked like he looked the part. You

708
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 2: can see the speed.

709
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 3: Obviously, the play hits a lot faster than what it

710
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,239
Speaker 3: did with fin chishm back there. I understand when they

711
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 3: had the injuries to create uh to Kishon Boody, that

712
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 3: they needed him on offense more. But now that all

713
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 3: the receivers are healthy, uh, this is key should be

714
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 3: your primary kickoff returner moving forward. I actually think he's

715
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 3: gonna be a little bit dynamic.

716
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 1: Back there, and it keeps him involved and you get

717
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 1: something out of that unit. And yes, we've been talking

718
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 1: about this for weeks. I think I've been talking about

719
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 1: it since the training camp. Love that we got to

720
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 1: see it. Love that. I mean what I think doesn't

721
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 1: matter that hopefully the coaches liked it. I to me,

722
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 1: he should earn an other shot. I don't know. And

723
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 1: there's one more on the special teams the good How

724
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 1: about Andy? Yeah, Andy boorgallis four for four three kicks

725
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 1: over forty yards. That fifty one yard or at the

726
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 1: end of fifty one to fifty two? Was it at

727
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 1: the end of the game? Yeah, that was massive because

728
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 1: the way their defense was playing there, if the Bengals

729
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:17,319
Speaker 1: it only needed to drive for a field goal or

730
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 1: if he misses it and the Bengals would have gotten

731
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:21,360
Speaker 1: the ball right around the fifty right. I mean, that

732
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 1: was a massive kick. Kind of reminded me to the kick

733
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 1: at the end of the Miami game. Yeah, and he can.

734
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 1: He had that little bit of a bumpy start. He's

735
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:30,799
Speaker 1: been excellent since week three. Very good. You're right.

736
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 3: Uh, he had math favorite kicking there. By the way,

737
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 3: what's up math favorite? The field goal? Interesting because the

738
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 3: other game, what was the Giants Lions game? The Giants

739
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 3: had an opportunity to kick up three to go up six,

740
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 3: and there was a lot of talk in my my

741
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,800
Speaker 3: nerd world about whether or not they should have kicked

742
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:53,319
Speaker 3: or if they should have gone for it on four

743
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:54,839
Speaker 3: It down out of the Patriots. I don't I don't

744
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:58,320
Speaker 3: remember exactly what the down and distance was for the Giants.

745
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:00,439
Speaker 3: The Patriots were in a fourth and seven, so that

746
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 3: that's a far fourth down. If it was fourth and one,

747
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 3: I think the math probably would have said go. But

748
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 3: fourth and seven is not a clear go by any means.

749
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,720
Speaker 3: And so it actually favored field goal in that spot.

750
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,799
Speaker 3: And you've seen this twice now down in Miami and

751
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 3: then obviously in Cincinnati, where being up six in that

752
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 3: spot instead of only being up three is a big difference.

753
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 3: Like that's the difference between over time or you know,

754
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 3: a touchdown winning the football game either way. But it's

755
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 3: a big difference to be in that spot. So I

756
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 3: thought that was that was an interesting sort of thing there, And.

757
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 1: I want to add it too, just the element of it.

758
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 1: I don't think people realize this. So when you miss

759
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 1: a kick, the ball's not spotted at the yard line,

760
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 1: the ball was on the ball spotted where the kick

761
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:53,720
Speaker 1: was missed. Yeah, so when you go back to that play,

762
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:55,319
Speaker 1: that's a fifty two yard field goal. I gotta find

763
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 1: the exact yard lines.

764
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 3: I don't have to do that, he was like on

765
00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:00,840
Speaker 3: the logo, for sure, it was Yeah, maybe the forty

766
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:05,760
Speaker 3: eight three thirty three plus seventeen is fifty right, thirty

767
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 3: three plus yes, so oh no, but seven so forty yeah, yeah,

768
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 3: so the Bengals would have gotten the ball on the

769
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 3: forty yard line. You saw the kick McPherson hit before

770
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 3: the aft. It was an absolute tank.

771
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:20,280
Speaker 1: Sixty three yards. So yeah, they're what two first downs

772
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,799
Speaker 1: away from tying that game, right if he misses that kick.

773
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,400
Speaker 1: Whereas yeah, if you punt it, you might only net

774
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,759
Speaker 1: seventeen yards or thirteen yards, but some people might say

775
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 1: with two minutes that thirteen yards is a big deal.

776
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 1: I'm not saying they should have punted. What I'm saying

777
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 1: is they clearly trust the kid. Yeah, Like, it's not

778
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 1: as simple as all right, we'll put you out there

779
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:36,840
Speaker 1: to try and if you miss it, no harm nor

780
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,840
Speaker 1: there is a massive risk if you miss that kick.

781
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 1: And same same situation in Miami. So they really do

782
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 1: trust him in that situation. Yeah, absolutely.

783
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 3: I just really quickly aside, because I'm not gonna mention

784
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 3: this with with the bads or the stuff that gets

785
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 3: you beast. I'll just mentioned it now. I actually didn't

786
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 3: watching it back. I didn't really mind what they did

787
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 3: at the end of the half. The kid made a

788
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 3: sixty three yard field goal. I thought that the Higgins.

789
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 1: I minded it. I didn't hate it.

790
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 3: So they went they went with a seven defensive back

791
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 3: package and they went into prevent.

792
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 1: They did.

793
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 3: They went with a three man defensive line seven DB's.

794
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 3: The Higgins deep in was Jalen Hawkins was standing right

795
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 3: in the window, and somehow Higgins won the ball, like

796
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 3: I don't know how, but Higgins won the ball. The

797
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 3: play was covered, and Higgins made a play. He's a

798
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 3: good player, is a really good player, and he made

799
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,479
Speaker 3: a play on the football and Hawkins kind of got

800
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 3: you boxed out there at the catch point a little bit.

801
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 3: So I don't really hate what they called in any

802
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 3: of those spots, Like, okay, you give up the twenty

803
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,320
Speaker 3: one yard run on first down. You're kind of conceding

804
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 3: that there was like seventeen seconds or eighteen seconds left

805
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:51,240
Speaker 3: in the half, so they're going to run the ball.

806
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:52,839
Speaker 2: You kind of let him run it there.

807
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:55,280
Speaker 3: And then they give up a chunk play to Higgins

808
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 3: where I thought that they had the right coverage and

809
00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:59,839
Speaker 3: they had the right idea, and then the guy gives

810
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 3: up it kicks a sixty three yard It was a

811
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:04,840
Speaker 3: franchise record, Like, you're not gonna You're not expecting the

812
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 3: kicker to make a sixty three yard field goal in

813
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 3: that spot. So if they had given two chunks and

814
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 3: now the Bengals are kicking the field goal and it's

815
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 3: a fifty yard field goal, okay, now I'd probably get

816
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 3: on the defense. But you tip your cap when the

817
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:19,799
Speaker 3: kicker makes a sixty three yard field goal.

818
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, there's probably a better way to execute that,

819
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 1: but I didn't think it was some like agree and

820
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:26,759
Speaker 1: they'd probably tell you they could have execute it better,

821
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,880
Speaker 1: but I regis massive mistake.

822
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, they could have executed the Higgins play better, no doubt. Right,

823
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 3: all right to the bats. So I mentioned this earlier.

824
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:39,959
Speaker 3: Going back to the offense, the lack of answers versus

825
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 3: the Bengals blitz package was kind of shocking to me.

826
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 3: This is not typical of Josh McDaniels or Drake May

827
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 3: or this Patriots offense. So the numbers, Drake May was

828
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 3: four or twelve against the blitz with a sack, but

829
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:56,839
Speaker 3: more specifically, he was zero for five against cover zero.

830
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 3: You know, zero completions against five zero blitzes, and really

831
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:03,959
Speaker 3: none of them had a chance like he had zero

832
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 3: chance on any of the zeros like it was.

833
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:10,359
Speaker 2: It was really just, you know, it was free run

834
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 2: at the quarterback.

835
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 3: The two plays in particular that I think stood out

836
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 3: to a lot, well three if you include the sack.

837
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 3: But I think the number one thing here first is

838
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 3: just a lot of this is on Drake May's plate.

839
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 3: And this was one smalleste concern I had about this

840
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 3: offense as a whole coming into the season was that

841
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:36,360
Speaker 3: you have a second year quarterback that is setting protections

842
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 3: and supposed to read pre snap and you know, make

843
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 3: decisions of where the mic point is or where the

844
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 3: protection's going, and understanding where the blitz threats are and

845
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:48,239
Speaker 3: the packages and studying their pressure package as much as

846
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 3: you're studying the It's a lot.

847
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 2: It's a lot to put on a twenty three year

848
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 2: old kids plate.

849
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:54,839
Speaker 3: And I'm actually pretty surprised at how well they've done

850
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 3: it so far this season. And I'm pretty surprised that

851
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:00,120
Speaker 3: it took this long for a defense to sort to

852
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 3: play some mind games with Drake May and get them

853
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 3: a couple of times, and these types of situations a

854
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 3: testament to McDaniels to May. But I also look at

855
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:11,840
Speaker 3: this for other teams moving forward, especially Buffalo.

856
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,879
Speaker 1: Is this the blueprint that we've heard so much about it? Right?

857
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 3: Is this is this going to start to be a

858
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 3: repeat you know, blueprint type of thing, because if the

859
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 3: Bengals were able to get some guys, you know, multiple

860
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 3: guys free to the quarterback. And I thought that a

861
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 3: lot of it was pre snap, a lot of it

862
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 3: was missing, you know, sliding protections and things like that.

863
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:35,839
Speaker 3: So you know, the first one was on the very

864
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 3: first drive of the game and he puts reminder up

865
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 3: into the line of scrimmage over the overload side to

866
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:44,280
Speaker 3: pick up the blitz, and then right before the snap,

867
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 3: the safety goes from over the right side to over

868
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,359
Speaker 3: the left side, and then they overload the left side

869
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 3: instead of the right side, and the safety is just

870
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:55,759
Speaker 3: unblocked over the left side. Then you know, later on

871
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 3: in the game they blitz the nickel and they have

872
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 3: a nickel blitz on that one. You know, they have

873
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,800
Speaker 3: a cap defender, which means that behind the nickel behind

874
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 3: the slock corner, the safety is standing behind the slock corner,

875
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:10,400
Speaker 3: which is what's called capped, which means that most likely

876
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 3: they're blitzing because the safety is going to replace the

877
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 3: nickel in coverage. So when the nickel blitz is the

878
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 3: slock corner blitz is, then the safety is going to

879
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 3: take Stefon Diggs and replace him in the coverage. So

880
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 3: for a quarterback, that's typically a tell that that's coming

881
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 3: from that side of the field when you see the

882
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 3: cap defender.

883
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 2: And Drake made that.

884
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 3: They didn't slide the protection that way, and I believe

885
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 3: it was Brown. At this point, Ben Brown is blocking nobody.

886
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:40,800
Speaker 3: So you have you have Ben Brown and Will Campbell

887
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 3: blocking the same guy on the left side of the line,

888
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 3: and nobody's blocking the blitz. So that's to me, is

889
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 3: just strategic, right, It's just moving guys around. It's the

890
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 3: chest match before the ball is snap. And then of

891
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 3: course the last third down of the game, you know

892
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 3: they let somebody through the b gap unblocked and it's

893
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,439
Speaker 3: another pressure. So there was a lot of that going

894
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 3: on in this game. The Bengals kind of took apart

895
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 3: their protections a little bit in a way that I

896
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 3: haven't seen happened to the Patriots yet this season. So

897
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 3: this is something that they definitely need to button up

898
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 3: and get fixed because teams are going to keep doing

899
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:15,319
Speaker 3: it until they prove that they can block it.

900
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:17,360
Speaker 1: And the issue just compounds that they're going to have

901
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 1: to do it with a new group up front, right,

902
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 1: and that's going to make it that the communication that

903
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:24,320
Speaker 1: side that much tougher. Yep. Absolutely.

904
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:27,359
Speaker 3: The other thing that was a little bit disappointing in

905
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:32,359
Speaker 3: this game to me was the interior run defense, and

906
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:36,840
Speaker 3: as a whole, just the pass rush and the disruption.

907
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 3: I think the number one word I would use is disruption.

908
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 3: They just weren't making a ton of plays on the

909
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 3: other side of the line of scrimmage in this game,

910
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 3: or at the line of scrimmage for that matter. So

911
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:49,760
Speaker 3: the Bengals only got stuffed twice on runs in this game.

912
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 3: They had twelve successful runs to two stuffed runs the

913
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 3: entire game. I also charted the pressure rate before the

914
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 3: final drive and half or the final drive, So before

915
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:04,840
Speaker 3: the Bengals final drives. In their first nine possessions of

916
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 3: this game, the Patriots only had Joe Flacco under pressure

917
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:11,360
Speaker 3: on fourteen point eight percent of his dropbacks. Now that

918
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 3: skyrocketed on the last drive. It was fifty percent on

919
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 3: the Bengals, you know, game winning drive attempt. So that's

920
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 3: gonna push those numbers up for the entire game. But

921
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:23,839
Speaker 3: to me, it's kind of fugazi. It's a little bit

922
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 3: inflated because it really came at the end of the

923
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 3: game where they're sending all out pressure and they're they're

924
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 3: heating Flacco up at that point. So the big stats

925
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 3: that stood out to me fourteen point eight pressure eight

926
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 3: if you take out the last drive of the game

927
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 3: for Cincinnati. They also allowed three yards per rush before

928
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 3: contact in this game. That was the second highest mark

929
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 3: in the NFL in Week twelve. The only team that

930
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 3: had it worse than the Patriots run defense. You want

931
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:56,760
Speaker 3: to take a guess last week, This is an easy

932
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:59,280
Speaker 3: one if you think about it again, the only team

933
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 3: that gave up more rushing yards before contact than the

934
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 3: Patriots this week in Week twelve was the New York

935
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 3: Giants right against Detroit. Okay, so the Giants right now

936
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 3: are historically bad run defense. That's not company you want

937
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 3: to be in because with the Giants.

938
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 1: You've seen that chart. You know, I don't like the charts.

939
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 1: There's one chart where they had to explain the chart

940
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 1: to fit the Giants.

941
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 3: And so you don't want to be part of that

942
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 3: chart with the Giants. So I just thought that they

943
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:29,320
Speaker 3: were a little soft up the middle in this game. Defensively.

944
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 3: I didn't like seeing that. You know, they're gonna need

945
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 3: more from Dirden, from Gregory, from Farms. You know, maybe

946
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 3: Farmers active this week after being inactive in Cincinnati. They're

947
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 3: just gonna need more from that group. You know, Barmore

948
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 3: can't do it all by himself, and and Tongo will

949
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 3: hopefully come back healthy and he'll be available. But I

950
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 3: thought that that was something that really stood out in

951
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:52,359
Speaker 3: this game. Just the lack of Milton Williams was so

952
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 3: obvious in this game, you know, the disruption.

953
00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 1: Let's start Tonga in there too, because he didn't play

954
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 1: a lot. And and again we talked about last week,

955
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:04,800
Speaker 1: like they have the depth to fill in for Milton Williams,

956
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 1: and part of that was Tonga. Then you lose him too,

957
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 1: is very apparent they didn't have those guys.

958
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, last thing here, and then we'll go on

959
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 3: to the stuff that gets you beat. I just don't

960
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:17,240
Speaker 3: like seeing Christian Gonzalez get beat by Mitchell Tinsley.

961
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:19,840
Speaker 1: No, I don't look credit to Tinsley was a great release.

962
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:21,839
Speaker 1: I don't know how much Gonzal studied him during the week,

963
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 1: but yeah, you don't want to see that.

964
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just it's not like something that I'm

965
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 3: going to kill him for. It's the first touchdown he's

966
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 3: given up all year, by the way, in coverage and

967
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 3: Mitchell Tinsley like some of the guys he's faced this year,

968
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 3: Drake London, you know t Higgins in this game for

969
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 3: most of it and you get beat by Tinsley. That

970
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 3: that was tough to watch. You don't like to see

971
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:42,280
Speaker 3: that from your number one corner. Now to the stuff

972
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 3: that gets you beat. Let's talk about the pick six.

973
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 3: So I think that what's being under discussed with the

974
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 3: pick six was that this was like a trick formation

975
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 3: that they ran. It was kind of a trick play

976
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:56,839
Speaker 3: that they ran in this game. On the pick six,

977
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 3: they only had four offensive linemen blocking for me, right,

978
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 3: they like faked a screen.

979
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 2: Yeah.

980
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 3: So they had Ben Brown, who was in the game

981
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 3: at this point. This was an eligible situation. He was

982
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 3: at left guard. He was the left guard they had,

983
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:11,760
Speaker 3: you know the best way to say this, Hunter Henry

984
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 3: was playing left tackle on this play.

985
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 1: They did the the who man yeah, you know, eligible

986
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:17,840
Speaker 1: moved the formation.

987
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:21,279
Speaker 3: So Hunter Henry's playing left tackle. Ben Brown is out

988
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:24,759
Speaker 3: on the perimeter with Trayvon Henderson offering a screen. I

989
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:27,360
Speaker 3: don't know if he if the screen, if this was

990
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 3: just a decoy thing and they always wanted to throw

991
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 3: the seam to Henry, or if they were going to

992
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 3: throw the screen and May saw the that Henry flashed

993
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:39,239
Speaker 3: up the seam and he just tried to take it.

994
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 3: I don't know, you know, I couldn't tell you, you know,

995
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 3: I'd have to ask. I don't know which one it was,

996
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 3: but it was a tricky formation that my guess is

997
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 3: that we won't see for a while because of how

998
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 3: it was. And it's open. It's there. You know, he's

999
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 3: gonna have to layer it in there, but it's in there.

1000
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 3: And he just airmailed it, you know, he does air

1001
00:46:57,520 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 3: mailed it. Sailed it and if you sail it over

1002
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:01,399
Speaker 3: the middle and this league, it's going back the other

1003
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:02,840
Speaker 3: way nine times out of ten.

1004
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:06,400
Speaker 2: Right, So it's a combination of factors, you know.

1005
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:08,839
Speaker 3: I think that, you know, the simplest way to put

1006
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:10,319
Speaker 3: it is he just he sailed the ball.

1007
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:11,479
Speaker 2: He airmeld the throw.

1008
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 3: But I would also say that there was a little

1009
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:18,800
Speaker 3: bit of trickery on the play that kind of was

1010
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 3: a unique formation, And I just don't know if they

1011
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 3: needed that in this game, Like maybe if they had

1012
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:25,799
Speaker 3: practiced it more and they pulled it out in a

1013
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:27,839
Speaker 3: playoff game like it. You know, I always go back

1014
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:30,399
Speaker 3: to the twenty fourteen Ravens, you know, playoff game when

1015
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 3: they were down by two scores and they needed to

1016
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 3: pull something out of their butts.

1017
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 2: That was not this spot. So he throws the pick six.

1018
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 2: Bad throw.

1019
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 3: Probably not the best formation or play to call in

1020
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 3: that spot, especially backed up there like they were.

1021
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 1: And that was it.

1022
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:46,279
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't really have anything else to add

1023
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 3: I don't know if you have anything else to add about.

1024
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 2: It just wasn't a good throw.

1025
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 1: Maybe they were trying to set up they wanted to

1026
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:52,759
Speaker 1: throw the seams so they could come back and throw

1027
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:53,360
Speaker 1: that screen.

1028
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:56,319
Speaker 3: Yeah later down the road. Who knows, sure can but

1029
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:58,839
Speaker 3: can't be throwing pick sixes. It's his first pick six

1030
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 3: of his career. By the way, I should put that

1031
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 3: out there so you know it doesn't happen all the

1032
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 3: time to Drake May.

1033
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:06,239
Speaker 2: It's not like a problem a repeat.

1034
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 1: Problem, all right, the last thing here.

1035
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:11,839
Speaker 3: And then we're before we take the break, we got

1036
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:13,880
Speaker 3: we gotta break down whatever the heck happened on the

1037
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 3: goal line, Like, yes, so this was this was just

1038
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 3: it was kind of crazy to watch it back because

1039
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:25,799
Speaker 3: of how many opportunities they had to score and they

1040
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 3: still couldn't score. Like they had at least four or

1041
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 3: five plays in the first sequence, but that should have

1042
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 3: been touchdowns. So I don't necessarily panic about it because

1043
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 3: I think this was all execution.

1044
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 2: I really do. I don't think this was anything the

1045
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:39,880
Speaker 2: Bengals did.

1046
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 3: I counted at least four plays that were there for

1047
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 3: touchdowns that for some reason did not end up in

1048
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 3: touchdowns in this game. On the goal line, so you

1049
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 3: had the four yard little swing pass to Travon Henderson.

1050
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:55,879
Speaker 3: I can't remember if it was first or second down,

1051
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 3: but I said this yesterday. I would like to see

1052
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:01,399
Speaker 3: Travon Henderson Marstown make the guy miss there and get

1053
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 3: into the end zone like you're one on one in

1054
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 3: space with a linebacker, your scap back, your speedback, like

1055
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 3: make a cut and get upfield and get in the

1056
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:10,759
Speaker 3: end zone. Right, you have space out there, make a

1057
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 3: play like maybe Drake may could have put the ball

1058
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 3: on him a little bit faster to help him, but

1059
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 3: I still think he had time to kind of like

1060
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 3: break down, you know, size the guy up and make

1061
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:22,879
Speaker 3: a little shimmy and get into the end zone. You'd

1062
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 3: like to see your you know, explosive rookie running back

1063
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 3: score on that little swing pass. Then the next one,

1064
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:33,399
Speaker 3: Drake May is coming out from underneath center. They run

1065
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 3: a little play action play. Hunter Henry's open on the

1066
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 3: corner route. They bite, they got it, and Drake May

1067
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 3: gets tripped, gets stepped on whatever you want to call it,

1068
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 3: coming from underneath center, stumbles out and he can't get

1069
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:47,320
Speaker 3: the ball out on time. So then that play gets

1070
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 3: wiped out. Then you get the Hunter Henry touchdown that

1071
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:54,759
Speaker 3: got nullified by the offensive pass interference. So now I'm

1072
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:56,840
Speaker 3: at three of plays that I think they could have

1073
00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 3: scored on, and then you get to the fourth down

1074
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 3: play where I think Drake May had an r PO

1075
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:03,919
Speaker 3: and probably made the wrong read on the r PO

1076
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 3: and it probably should have been a touchdown to Hunter

1077
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:09,279
Speaker 3: Henry in the flat. So they ran I think it

1078
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:12,880
Speaker 3: was what eight plays from inside the five yard line.

1079
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 3: I think they ran, yeah, six or seven fix from

1080
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:18,279
Speaker 3: one six from the one, and I just rattled off

1081
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 3: four different plays that were there for touchdowns that they

1082
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:24,400
Speaker 3: didn't score on. Right, So to me, that's an execution problem, right, Like,

1083
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:27,720
Speaker 3: that's not a tip the cap to the Bengals.

1084
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 2: They got one on you.

1085
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 1: I mean it's a little bit of both. But yeah, no,

1086
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:34,799
Speaker 1: you get eight tries and they kept getting back down,

1087
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:36,759
Speaker 1: Like they get the OPI, they get pushed out to

1088
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:38,759
Speaker 1: the eleven. Next play, boom, they're back down on the one.

1089
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:42,719
Speaker 1: That nice little shovel pass Hunter Henry. So yeah, you

1090
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 1: got you just got to score there. You got to

1091
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 1: score and they got to figure something out with the

1092
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:48,719
Speaker 1: quarterback sneak because they've been a good quarterback sneak tam. Yeah.

1093
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:51,799
Speaker 3: So then the second one, you know, the second thing

1094
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 3: they get pushed back, you know, they get Hunter Henry

1095
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:56,440
Speaker 3: and then.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, that was the first drive that they got.

1097
00:50:58,520 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 1: The second one was just three and then they came.

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00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:02,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I think they only got down inside the

1099
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:05,319
Speaker 3: one or inside the five on second down. I think

1100
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:07,880
Speaker 3: they got down there on first down, and then they

1101
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 3: had second and third down from the one, right, and

1102
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 3: they got stuffed on second down. They actually gained a

1103
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 3: few yards on second down, but Henderson literally got it

1104
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 3: to like the they kept getting tackled at the one

1105
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 3: yard Yeah, they literally got tackled at like the half

1106
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 3: yard line. I don't even think it was just the

1107
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 3: one and then they obviously have the sneak and then

1108
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:27,239
Speaker 3: were able to elected the kick on fourth down, so

1109
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 3: you know, not not good.

1110
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 1: Well, it's the right decision to kick there though.

1111
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 2: I think so too, even though the math would.

1112
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:36,239
Speaker 1: Have gone, well, does the math factoring you just got

1113
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 1: stopped eight times earlier in the game, and you might

1114
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:41,320
Speaker 1: And this is this is why it feeling.

1115
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 3: This is why Rabel and Stretcher are such a good combination,

1116
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:47,759
Speaker 3: because Rabel's got enough of the feel and stretches the MAK.

1117
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 1: So this is why you got why it works. Because

1118
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:52,799
Speaker 1: this is my whole thing about Dan Campbell's going. I

1119
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:54,839
Speaker 1: don't want to I don't want to do the rail

1120
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:56,840
Speaker 1: against the analytics thing. But this is where to your point,

1121
00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:58,879
Speaker 1: I think this is why they've had success because they

1122
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:00,719
Speaker 1: manage it. They don't let it either be all end

1123
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 1: all and it's hey, yeah, the math says go, but

1124
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:05,759
Speaker 1: look at what happened earlier in the game. We need

1125
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 1: to leave with points here. Yeah they did that.

1126
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 3: Yep, absolutely, I was perfectly fine with that.

1127
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:12,840
Speaker 2: But it just wasn't going well down there, right.

1128
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:16,239
Speaker 3: As Rabel said on Monday, you're gonna you're not gonna

1129
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:17,759
Speaker 3: win a lot of games if you can't score from

1130
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:20,360
Speaker 3: inside the five yard right. And I think the bigger

1131
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 3: thing you know to me is you know along those lines,

1132
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:25,840
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, but I'm gonna run it in from the

1133
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 3: one kind of guy. If you can't get a yard

1134
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 3: in this league on the goal line to run it

1135
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 3: in on three or four tries like, then you have problems.

1136
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 2: You have problems up front.

1137
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:36,400
Speaker 1: And you.

1138
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 3: Said because I think a lot of people sorry to

1139
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:41,319
Speaker 3: cut off, but I think a lot of people want

1140
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 3: the creativity, right.

1141
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 2: They want maybe you know, they want bootleg.

1142
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 3: May or they want a motion, or they want to

1143
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 3: bubble or like something creative right in that spot that

1144
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 3: goes beyond just we're gonna line up in the eye

1145
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:55,719
Speaker 3: and we're gonna run it down your throats. To me,

1146
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 3: the best teams can line up in the eye and

1147
00:52:57,640 --> 00:52:59,239
Speaker 3: run it down your throats when you need all the

1148
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:01,880
Speaker 3: bells and whistles to get it in down there. I

1149
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 3: don't think you're all that great.

1150
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 1: This is where they missed having to fall back. I'll

1151
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:07,440
Speaker 1: just add to that. I don't love the shotgun run

1152
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 1: on the goal line unless it's that direct snap play

1153
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:12,800
Speaker 1: they've run, yeah, in playoff games to Kevin Falk and

1154
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:14,919
Speaker 1: James White over the years. A little surprised they didn't

1155
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:17,359
Speaker 1: go to that. Like there's two McDaniel staples down there,

1156
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 1: if you want to get creative, like you said, the

1157
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 1: bells and whistles, there's the direct snap for the running back,

1158
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:24,720
Speaker 1: which they didn't do right. And then are you surprised

1159
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 1: they didn't go back to the return route at any

1160
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 1: point after Booty got held a little bit. I mean

1161
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 1: maybe because he loves that play down there, but it also.

1162
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:34,800
Speaker 3: Like it wasn't even really that open, uh, you know,

1163
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 3: because he got a help. I know, but I don't

1164
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 3: love that on fourth down. I didn't love that call.

1165
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 3: That was the one call I didn't really like because

1166
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 3: it's the reason why I don't really like it on

1167
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 3: fourth down is because it's a one read throw.

1168
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:47,920
Speaker 2: So like, if that's not going back.

1169
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:49,960
Speaker 1: To any point, I mean, they had four more plays after.

1170
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:51,759
Speaker 3: That, Yeah, they could have, you know that. I I

1171
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:54,759
Speaker 3: just want to you got to be able to block

1172
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 3: a yard. And Rabel's whole big thing is, you know,

1173
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:00,480
Speaker 3: finish with your guy in the end zone like that.

1174
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:04,759
Speaker 3: That's his like rallying cry. That's his like coaching parlance,

1175
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 3: and like that to me is the bit is the

1176
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 3: end all be all we can talk about, you know,

1177
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 3: all these bells and whistles, all these creative emotions or

1178
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:16,279
Speaker 3: return routes or boot legs or whatever. When you need

1179
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:17,399
Speaker 3: a yard, can you get a yard?

1180
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:18,040
Speaker 4: Right?

1181
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 3: And they're they're run blocking right now has not been

1182
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:21,920
Speaker 3: good enough in short yardage.

1183
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 2: They need to improve there.

1184
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 3: And I'd also put a little bit on the running

1185
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 3: backs like Ramondra Stevenson, you're two hundred and twenty seven pounds,

1186
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 3: like lower your shoulder and get into the end zone,

1187
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:33,399
Speaker 3: you know, like run through the guy's face and get

1188
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:35,719
Speaker 3: into the end zone. And I think, you know, it

1189
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 3: is frustrating to me a little bit to watch, you know,

1190
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:40,440
Speaker 3: these running backs get like stood up on the half

1191
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 3: yard line, like you know, have a little push right,

1192
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 3: get your shoulder pads down.

1193
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:46,919
Speaker 2: And get in the end zone.

1194
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:49,280
Speaker 3: So as much as that you can harp on the blocking,

1195
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:51,200
Speaker 3: and the blocking is a big part of it. I

1196
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:53,760
Speaker 3: think that's a part of it too. Now they didn't

1197
00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 3: tongue it down there. I think that's that's a big miss. Yeah,

1198
00:54:57,120 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 3: that that's a big element of it as well. All right,

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Speaker 3: So that's good to batten and stuff that gets you beat.

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Speaker 3: really quickly before we get into the nitty gritty again,

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Speaker 3: because I feel like that was a very dense Yes,

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Speaker 2: So what the heck is this hard count thing?

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00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:18,680
Speaker 1: So this is like, can you tell me this is

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00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 1: like a new trend online. I didn't think you're gonna

1266
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 1: want to do this.

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00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:23,160
Speaker 2: I do because I just want to make fun of it.

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00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:27,480
Speaker 1: So there's like these this goofy thing online where where

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00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:29,280
Speaker 1: guys are out and there hanging out and you just

1270
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:31,360
Speaker 1: you're out with the poise hit the hard count. And

1271
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:33,440
Speaker 1: there's like videos on YouTube of people trying to get

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00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:35,680
Speaker 1: other people to jump or like there's this one account

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Speaker 1: where they line up in front of like an ananimate object.

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00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:39,120
Speaker 1: There's one of a guy trying to get like a

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00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:42,120
Speaker 1: pickup truck to jump off sides or a Walmart. And

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Speaker 1: so it came up because we were talking about the

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Speaker 1: giants and I don't know if you saw Cam Scattapo

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00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:50,120
Speaker 1: the other night trying to get his chat to jump

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Speaker 1: off sidees like the chat that was watching his lives.

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Speaker 1: Cam Scattaboy's gotta worry about it, and he started he

1281
00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 1: started hitting the hard count. I've texted you about the

1282
00:58:56,520 --> 00:58:58,560
Speaker 1: hard count. I think you jumped. I texted you a

1283
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:00,760
Speaker 1: hard count and you say you didn't jump, but I

1284
00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:04,280
Speaker 1: think you jumped. I think I think the real reason

1285
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:05,960
Speaker 1: you hate this is because you don't have a good

1286
00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:09,720
Speaker 1: hard count. And you know, the real reason why I

1287
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:12,240
Speaker 1: hate this is because you people are so corny because

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00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:12,640
Speaker 1: it's fun.

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00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:15,520
Speaker 3: Just relax, like, my goodness, let's her hard count. No,

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00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 3: I'm not hard counting. There's no no, I'm not doing it.

1291
00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:22,800
Speaker 3: And this is just like this all bothers me. Like

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00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:26,320
Speaker 3: everything you just said bothered me, Like the hard count thing,

1293
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:28,080
Speaker 3: like what are we twelve years old?

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00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:30,120
Speaker 2: It's like doing like in middle.

1295
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:32,640
Speaker 3: School, okay, and we're not at football practice. You don't

1296
00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:33,360
Speaker 3: play football.

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00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:33,600
Speaker 1: I know.

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00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:35,480
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. I know you all want to be in

1299
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:36,040
Speaker 2: the NFL.

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00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:36,920
Speaker 1: You're not.

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00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:41,200
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm not You're not. No one is in this situation.

1302
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:44,760
Speaker 3: The hard count is lame. Please stop doing it. Also,

1303
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:47,400
Speaker 3: the second thing I would say about this is just

1304
00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:51,320
Speaker 3: like I just can't believe, like you know, the whole culture,

1305
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:54,080
Speaker 3: like you just when you're out with the boys and

1306
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:56,160
Speaker 3: you know you just got a hard count, like.

1307
00:59:56,080 --> 00:59:59,840
Speaker 1: What like a pillow truck to jump off side? Come on,

1308
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:02,000
Speaker 1: it doesn't really work without this. It's horrible.

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01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:03,760
Speaker 2: That's Horrible's your hard count?

1310
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:05,120
Speaker 1: No? Absolutely, not.

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01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:07,520
Speaker 2: All right, that's as much fun as I'm allowed to have.

1312
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:10,160
Speaker 2: That was that was two minutes of fun. It was

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01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:10,439
Speaker 2: I don't.

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01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:13,720
Speaker 1: I just don't lot of fun. Yeah, I enjoy those videos.

1315
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:16,320
Speaker 2: I think my side on this right like this is,

1316
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:17,480
Speaker 2: this is lame, like this.

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01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:19,880
Speaker 5: Is I'm sweets man. I don't take sides like this.

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01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 1: I just you. You couldn't get anybody to jump off

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01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:27,439
Speaker 1: sides give a week hard count. I think that's the problem.

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Speaker 3: And that's like I'm supposed to be like humiliated by that,

1321
01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:32,320
Speaker 3: like you clearly are.

1322
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:34,760
Speaker 1: Because you won't embrace this this fun thing that people do.

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01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:37,440
Speaker 2: It's not because it's it's not fun. I don't understand

1324
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:39,760
Speaker 2: how what's fun about it? Like this is unbelievable in

1325
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:41,640
Speaker 2: a hard count? All right, let's get to the phones.

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01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:43,920
Speaker 2: These guys have been waiting on hold for a while.

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01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:45,480
Speaker 1: Or are you afraid you would jump?

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01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:45,720
Speaker 4: Is that?

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01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:49,240
Speaker 1: Or you're not disciplined? What you're gonna get? You're afraid

1330
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:50,240
Speaker 1: you jump off sides?

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01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:53,480
Speaker 2: No, I'm not afraid. Do you do you think I

1332
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:54,439
Speaker 2: would jump off sides?

1333
01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:57,480
Speaker 3: I listen, I never jumped off sides, never once in

1334
01:00:57,480 --> 01:01:00,480
Speaker 3: my life because I was too slow to jump off side,

1335
01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:03,840
Speaker 3: So that's what it wouldn't matter. Nate is in Connecticut.

1336
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:04,400
Speaker 3: What's up, Nate?

1337
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:06,400
Speaker 4: Hey, guys, can you get through?

1338
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:09,160
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, we got you all right.

1339
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:10,320
Speaker 9: I got a couple of.

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01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:13,520
Speaker 4: Thoughts for you guys. First off, you know, the connection

1341
01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:17,200
Speaker 4: between May and Campbell, their chemistry this season on and

1342
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:20,800
Speaker 4: off the field has been like unmatched to probably any

1343
01:01:21,080 --> 01:01:24,800
Speaker 4: quarterback left tackle duo in the league. Then to have

1344
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:29,800
Speaker 4: Campbell gone, first, I guess it's not season endings. That's good,

1345
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:32,439
Speaker 4: So he'll probably be gone for some weeks, but it's

1346
01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:35,240
Speaker 4: definitely gonna be definitely going to take a toll on May.

1347
01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:38,880
Speaker 9: So it could be hard to.

1348
01:01:38,840 --> 01:01:43,280
Speaker 4: Get some stuff going in the offense. So I think

1349
01:01:43,320 --> 01:01:47,160
Speaker 4: could be a good idea to bring back Marcus Jones

1350
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:50,400
Speaker 4: on the offense. You know, when he was on the offense,

1351
01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:53,240
Speaker 4: he was able to get some stuff going and I

1352
01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:57,120
Speaker 4: really like that. And you know, if the Darian Lowe

1353
01:01:57,160 --> 01:01:59,560
Speaker 4: and Ben Brown are going to be on the line,

1354
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:02,000
Speaker 4: might be a little hard to get some stuff going

1355
01:02:02,040 --> 01:02:04,920
Speaker 4: that they were able to get going earlier in the season.

1356
01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:11,760
Speaker 4: And yeah, uh, And then second off, you know, Evan,

1357
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:13,480
Speaker 4: we all we all want to hear it. Give us

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01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:14,440
Speaker 4: your hard count.

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01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:17,680
Speaker 1: Nope, thanks Nate. The people want it.

1360
01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:22,240
Speaker 3: But Nate, Nate, I can understand these these grown men

1361
01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:26,440
Speaker 3: that are doing this in like the middle. He's I know,

1362
01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:26,840
Speaker 3: he's not.

1363
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:29,160
Speaker 1: Somebody's got to call in in hard count.

1364
01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:30,280
Speaker 2: Wasn't a knock on, Nate.

1365
01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:32,720
Speaker 1: I yeah, they're gonna see it coming. Now, you're gonna

1366
01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:34,200
Speaker 1: see it coming, but we need somebody call it in

1367
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:38,280
Speaker 1: hardcount to see if you jump. I don't think Marcus

1368
01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:41,480
Speaker 1: Jones on offense helps a lot of what's wrong right now.

1369
01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:43,200
Speaker 3: I could see what he's saying, like if you get

1370
01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:45,480
Speaker 3: him in the screen game and things like that, you know,

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01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:46,320
Speaker 3: with a bad offensive.

1372
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:48,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'm not saying it hurt. But I don't.

1373
01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:49,960
Speaker 2: I think he's got a lot on his place.

1374
01:02:50,120 --> 01:02:52,400
Speaker 1: He's right, he's very important them defensively and in the

1375
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:55,360
Speaker 1: punt return game on special teams. You should be able

1376
01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:58,240
Speaker 1: to whatever you were gonna do with Marcus Jones, you

1377
01:02:58,240 --> 01:02:59,640
Speaker 1: should be able to do with Pop Douglas.

1378
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:00,280
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1379
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:03,560
Speaker 3: So I I hear Nate though, and I said it

1380
01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:04,560
Speaker 3: earlier in the show.

1381
01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:07,440
Speaker 2: I think the big thing about this.

1382
01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:09,120
Speaker 3: Moving forward, I think what you're going to see a

1383
01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:12,640
Speaker 3: lot of is those max protect play actions. You know,

1384
01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:16,280
Speaker 3: let's get under center, Let's run the football, let's play.

1385
01:03:16,040 --> 01:03:17,080
Speaker 2: Action off the run.

1386
01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:20,840
Speaker 3: I don't I don't think that Vederian Lowe Darien low

1387
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:24,040
Speaker 3: is probably a downgrade in both pass pro and run

1388
01:03:24,120 --> 01:03:27,800
Speaker 3: block and compared to Will Campbell, Ben Brown might be

1389
01:03:27,880 --> 01:03:30,920
Speaker 3: a little bit of a better run blocker than Jared Wilson,

1390
01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:33,560
Speaker 3: just because he's a little nastier. Like Jared Wilson's a

1391
01:03:33,640 --> 01:03:37,400
Speaker 3: very athletic, very graceful player. Ben Brown I think might

1392
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:40,120
Speaker 3: have a little bit more power, a little bit more SNAr,

1393
01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:42,880
Speaker 3: a little bit more size for sure, just from a

1394
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:46,520
Speaker 3: measurable standpoint. So I think you get under center, you

1395
01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:49,800
Speaker 3: run the football, and then when you play action, you

1396
01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:51,760
Speaker 3: know you can leave seven guys in. You know you

1397
01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:53,959
Speaker 3: can leave you know a go six to zero line,

1398
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:56,520
Speaker 3: which I think they might do in this game against

1399
01:03:56,560 --> 01:03:58,760
Speaker 3: the Giants to help out against you know, Burns and

1400
01:03:58,840 --> 01:03:59,760
Speaker 3: Carter on the edge.

1401
01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:01,280
Speaker 1: You know, you go six o line.

1402
01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:03,640
Speaker 3: Now you put two olignement on one on one of

1403
01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:06,120
Speaker 3: those guys, you know, things like that, and then that's

1404
01:04:06,160 --> 01:04:07,760
Speaker 3: how you're going to try to push the ball down

1405
01:04:07,840 --> 01:04:10,280
Speaker 3: the field. Once you get into the drop back game

1406
01:04:10,320 --> 01:04:12,800
Speaker 3: and you get into shotgun, you do have the advantage

1407
01:04:12,840 --> 01:04:15,240
Speaker 3: obviously of me being able to move around, which is

1408
01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:18,000
Speaker 3: which is helpful. But when you talk about like their

1409
01:04:18,080 --> 01:04:20,640
Speaker 3: base early down offense, I think you're going to see

1410
01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:24,160
Speaker 3: a lot of two three man route concepts with hard

1411
01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:27,439
Speaker 3: play action underneath center. Maybe move the pocket a little

1412
01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:29,640
Speaker 3: bit more than they have been lately, and I think

1413
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:31,560
Speaker 3: that's how they're going to try to piece this whole

1414
01:04:31,560 --> 01:04:32,040
Speaker 3: thing together.

1415
01:04:32,720 --> 01:04:33,600
Speaker 1: Ben is in Philly.

1416
01:04:33,640 --> 01:04:34,160
Speaker 2: What's up, Ben?

1417
01:04:38,360 --> 01:04:39,480
Speaker 1: Hello? Hey, what's up?

1418
01:04:39,520 --> 01:04:39,680
Speaker 9: Ben?

1419
01:04:41,200 --> 01:04:44,240
Speaker 10: Hey? Just kind of a question for you guys, kind

1420
01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:48,720
Speaker 10: of leaning towards special teams after that gaming Miami SCE

1421
01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:54,120
Speaker 10: and you know, Antario Gibson and understand go off. I

1422
01:04:54,160 --> 01:04:56,840
Speaker 10: don't know, I feeling a little bit disappointed. That might

1423
01:04:56,920 --> 01:04:59,840
Speaker 10: not be the right word, just with a hund return unit.

1424
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:04,440
Speaker 10: Just wondering what you guys are kind of seeing, you know,

1425
01:05:04,680 --> 01:05:07,880
Speaker 10: is that we're not getting enough defenders on their gunners

1426
01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:10,600
Speaker 10: on the outside or they're just really popping them up

1427
01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:14,320
Speaker 10: so Jones can't get a speak going. And I'll take

1428
01:05:14,360 --> 01:05:14,800
Speaker 10: that off there.

1429
01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:15,600
Speaker 4: Thanks.

1430
01:05:16,120 --> 01:05:17,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a good question.

1431
01:05:17,720 --> 01:05:19,680
Speaker 3: I mean they haven't They had the big game against

1432
01:05:19,720 --> 01:05:22,160
Speaker 3: Carolina early in the year at the two punt returns

1433
01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:24,960
Speaker 3: and I don't know if it's been as dynamic now.

1434
01:05:25,560 --> 01:05:27,560
Speaker 3: Marcus Jones is one of the best punt returners in

1435
01:05:27,600 --> 01:05:28,720
Speaker 3: football and everybody knows it.

1436
01:05:28,840 --> 01:05:30,120
Speaker 1: He's fifth in yards per return.

1437
01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:33,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's probably an element of it as well.

1438
01:05:34,080 --> 01:05:35,640
Speaker 3: But I, like I said earlier in the show, and

1439
01:05:35,720 --> 01:05:37,800
Speaker 3: I think you're in agreement, I'm looking forward to seeing

1440
01:05:37,880 --> 01:05:40,959
Speaker 3: Kyle Williams return more more kickoffs. I think that's gonna

1441
01:05:41,200 --> 01:05:44,000
Speaker 3: ye remake that play dynamic like it was when they

1442
01:05:44,040 --> 01:05:46,240
Speaker 3: had Gibson and Henderson back there to start the year.

1443
01:05:46,520 --> 01:05:48,040
Speaker 3: I think that that could go a long way of

1444
01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:51,880
Speaker 3: trying to get some hidden yards on special teams. Also,

1445
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:55,520
Speaker 3: big time knock on wood. When I say this, there's

1446
01:05:55,600 --> 01:05:58,720
Speaker 3: like a it's an epidemic, right, That's what it's called,

1447
01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:05,280
Speaker 3: when it's like a big thing that's happening. Widespread epidemic, epidemic, epidemic, epidemic,

1448
01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:08,960
Speaker 3: Like I'm just saying the right word, like, yeah, like pandemic.

1449
01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:12,520
Speaker 3: Yeah right, Yeah, there's one of those going on with

1450
01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:16,560
Speaker 3: block kicks in the NFL this year, and knock done

1451
01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:18,840
Speaker 3: with the Patriots have not had a blocked kick punt

1452
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:20,200
Speaker 3: or fields talked about.

1453
01:06:20,200 --> 01:06:22,760
Speaker 1: I think it's something they're very, very aware. Well, it's like,

1454
01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:25,800
Speaker 1: I think it's happening every week, So every week. There's

1455
01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:28,800
Speaker 1: at least part of the reason it's happening. The kickers

1456
01:06:28,840 --> 01:06:31,240
Speaker 1: are so much better. Teams are kicking longer and longer

1457
01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:33,280
Speaker 1: field goals. When you kick a long field goal, their

1458
01:06:33,360 --> 01:06:35,480
Speaker 1: trajectory is lower, so it's easier to block. So the

1459
01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:37,840
Speaker 1: rise in block kicks in part. It's not all of it.

1460
01:06:37,920 --> 01:06:40,800
Speaker 1: There's been some shorter kicks a block too, Yeah, but

1461
01:06:41,040 --> 01:06:43,360
Speaker 1: part of it has been teams are attempting longer kicks,

1462
01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:47,800
Speaker 1: which are easier to block. That's epidemic epidemic. So an

1463
01:06:47,840 --> 01:06:51,240
Speaker 1: epidemic is it's technically different than a pandemic, but they

1464
01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:52,640
Speaker 1: mean similar things.

1465
01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:57,280
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, close enough, get into some of these emails.

1466
01:06:59,040 --> 01:07:01,000
Speaker 3: This one, how you like this and this one from Justin.

1467
01:07:01,680 --> 01:07:04,560
Speaker 1: An epidemic is when a disease spreads in a specific area.

1468
01:07:04,680 --> 01:07:07,560
Speaker 1: A pandemic is across multiple Okay.

1469
01:07:07,800 --> 01:07:10,920
Speaker 2: Well, this is very specific to a lot of field

1470
01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:11,800
Speaker 2: goals getting blocked.

1471
01:07:11,840 --> 01:07:13,880
Speaker 1: Well, no, I think it might be because an epidemic

1472
01:07:14,440 --> 01:07:17,120
Speaker 1: goal is only a couple teams of panstrick point, it's

1473
01:07:17,160 --> 01:07:17,760
Speaker 1: the whole league.

1474
01:07:18,320 --> 01:07:20,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's been like crazy this year.

1475
01:07:22,320 --> 01:07:26,120
Speaker 3: Subject line to this email outs Evan's alerted to fun

1476
01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:29,320
Speaker 3: which is something that you have said about me for

1477
01:07:29,640 --> 01:07:34,360
Speaker 3: probably our entire friendship. Evan must have called the fun

1478
01:07:34,440 --> 01:07:37,720
Speaker 3: police the way he's beating up on the hard count trend.

1479
01:07:38,120 --> 01:07:41,360
Speaker 3: Come on and cut loose and have some fun. Saying

1480
01:07:41,400 --> 01:07:44,720
Speaker 3: that I called the fun police is also, you know,

1481
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:45,440
Speaker 3: very corny.

1482
01:07:45,480 --> 01:07:47,760
Speaker 1: But here, Actually, if you got in here and you

1483
01:07:47,880 --> 01:07:50,120
Speaker 1: got like Paul and Fred to try do the hard.

1484
01:07:50,040 --> 01:07:53,320
Speaker 3: Count, I feel like that's something Fred would do, because

1485
01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:54,680
Speaker 3: Fred's all for the bid to do it.

1486
01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:58,000
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. Hard count. Well, this is like

1487
01:07:58,040 --> 01:07:59,840
Speaker 1: the first I'm hearing of the hard count. What is

1488
01:07:59,880 --> 01:08:03,560
Speaker 1: the hard count? It's when the quarterback goes the line

1489
01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:05,680
Speaker 1: and gives a bunch of dummy signals try to get

1490
01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:06,840
Speaker 1: the other team to jump off sides.

1491
01:08:07,080 --> 01:08:09,560
Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers is probably the best hard Aaron Rodgers is

1492
01:08:09,720 --> 01:08:10,720
Speaker 3: in the history of the league.

1493
01:08:10,800 --> 01:08:11,840
Speaker 2: Gotcha okay, okay?

1494
01:08:12,120 --> 01:08:13,960
Speaker 3: He gives a little hut hut, and then they all

1495
01:08:14,440 --> 01:08:16,320
Speaker 3: see that was a weak. Well, I'm not gonna do

1496
01:08:16,400 --> 01:08:19,200
Speaker 3: it like I'm doing it now. As a way to

1497
01:08:19,280 --> 01:08:21,559
Speaker 3: explain it to that might be your hard count.

1498
01:08:25,320 --> 01:08:27,560
Speaker 1: We're not doing this. I'm gonna get you to do it.

1499
01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:29,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get you to do it. Okay.

1500
01:08:29,320 --> 01:08:32,320
Speaker 3: A couple of questions about left tackle in the chat.

1501
01:08:32,680 --> 01:08:35,720
Speaker 3: Here in the emails, I should say, uh, the guy

1502
01:08:35,800 --> 01:08:38,160
Speaker 3: they got from Cleveland. I'm assuming he's talking about Munford

1503
01:08:39,280 --> 01:08:43,120
Speaker 3: or Marcus Bryant. If Vederian Lowe struggles. So Marcus Brian's

1504
01:08:43,120 --> 01:08:45,320
Speaker 3: an interesting one because he played left tackle in college,

1505
01:08:45,880 --> 01:08:48,280
Speaker 3: played left tackle last year at Missouri with Membu on

1506
01:08:48,360 --> 01:08:52,439
Speaker 3: the right side, Are you thinking at all that? I

1507
01:08:52,640 --> 01:08:55,000
Speaker 3: still think it's gonna be low But I guess the

1508
01:08:55,120 --> 01:08:57,360
Speaker 3: question is is like, how short of a leash does

1509
01:08:57,479 --> 01:08:57,800
Speaker 3: low have?

1510
01:08:58,600 --> 01:09:01,000
Speaker 1: Yeah? I think short. Since they have an extra will

1511
01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:02,240
Speaker 1: they kind of have an extra day to get ready

1512
01:09:02,280 --> 01:09:04,240
Speaker 1: for this game? I guess they're probably they're not gonna

1513
01:09:04,240 --> 01:09:05,800
Speaker 1: practice on Thursday, right, They're off on Thursday.

1514
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:07,680
Speaker 2: Assume no, it's Wednesday, Friday, Saturday this.

1515
01:09:07,760 --> 01:09:12,920
Speaker 1: So because of Thanksgiving? Yeah, I mean I think a

1516
01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:16,320
Speaker 1: relatively quick, quick pull. Now, whether it's Mumford or Bryant

1517
01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:19,040
Speaker 1: would be the question. Yeah, because remember Mumford was here

1518
01:09:19,680 --> 01:09:21,679
Speaker 1: yep for a couple of weeks early in the season,

1519
01:09:21,800 --> 01:09:24,560
Speaker 1: so he may have the playbook, he should have the

1520
01:09:24,560 --> 01:09:27,200
Speaker 1: playbook down a little bit. And was he working at

1521
01:09:27,280 --> 01:09:28,920
Speaker 1: left tackle a right tackle when he was here. We

1522
01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:30,559
Speaker 1: don't know. Like if they just feel like he's more

1523
01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:32,760
Speaker 1: ready to step into left tackle specifically, and he's a

1524
01:09:32,800 --> 01:09:35,160
Speaker 1: true swing tackle, then maybe they give it to him.

1525
01:09:35,200 --> 01:09:37,439
Speaker 1: But I don't think they're gonna score around with Drake

1526
01:09:37,479 --> 01:09:40,760
Speaker 1: May's blindside. I don't now they're gonna give low help.

1527
01:09:40,840 --> 01:09:42,360
Speaker 1: I don't think they're gonna hang them out to dry.

1528
01:09:42,520 --> 01:09:44,960
Speaker 1: But if it's not working, I do think they'd make

1529
01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:45,400
Speaker 1: a change.

1530
01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:48,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with that. I think it's gonna be

1531
01:09:48,040 --> 01:09:48,599
Speaker 2: a couple games.

1532
01:09:48,720 --> 01:09:49,320
Speaker 1: So and so.

1533
01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:53,400
Speaker 2: Diana Russini, I guess has a report on Will Campbell.

1534
01:09:53,120 --> 01:09:58,160
Speaker 1: That's said it's at least four weeks. So the thing

1535
01:09:58,160 --> 01:09:59,960
Speaker 1: I'd say about Bryant too, that people really want to

1536
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:01,360
Speaker 1: see Brian. Look, I get it, you want to see

1537
01:10:01,360 --> 01:10:03,000
Speaker 1: what he can do. Like, they drafted this kid, and

1538
01:10:03,760 --> 01:10:08,040
Speaker 1: let's let's find out. It's see how many he didn't

1539
01:10:08,040 --> 01:10:09,599
Speaker 1: take a lot of reps at left tackle in the summer,

1540
01:10:09,680 --> 01:10:11,240
Speaker 1: did he, Marcus.

1541
01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:13,120
Speaker 3: Bryant, Yeah, a little bit, but not a lot. And

1542
01:10:13,200 --> 01:10:15,680
Speaker 3: they've kind of been working him as the right tackle right.

1543
01:10:15,760 --> 01:10:18,400
Speaker 1: That's I wonder how much work he's gotten on the

1544
01:10:18,479 --> 01:10:20,360
Speaker 1: left side. There was something I was thinking where he's

1545
01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:24,280
Speaker 1: like Low's been there, he probably hasn't had a ton

1546
01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:25,960
Speaker 1: of time over there. So even if they want to

1547
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:28,920
Speaker 1: go to him, and they'll probably started this week because

1548
01:10:28,920 --> 01:10:31,720
Speaker 1: he's all right. If if Low's you bet you're now

1549
01:10:31,760 --> 01:10:34,680
Speaker 1: you're starting left tackle, right, Bryan's probably your backup. Yeah,

1550
01:10:34,760 --> 01:10:36,639
Speaker 1: it'll be so he's going to get and then maybe

1551
01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:38,880
Speaker 1: it's Kane Wallace at right tackle or that's where Mumford is.

1552
01:10:38,920 --> 01:10:41,680
Speaker 1: I don't know, but you know, it's probably going to

1553
01:10:41,720 --> 01:10:43,000
Speaker 1: be a little bit of a ramp up to get

1554
01:10:43,080 --> 01:10:44,479
Speaker 1: him ready to go in there if you need him.

1555
01:10:44,840 --> 01:10:47,360
Speaker 1: I wonder it could.

1556
01:10:47,439 --> 01:10:49,639
Speaker 3: It's been pretty clear from the jump, and I said

1557
01:10:49,640 --> 01:10:53,400
Speaker 3: this yesterday on you that I do think that Bryant's

1558
01:10:53,680 --> 01:10:57,360
Speaker 3: play style, body type in the McDaniel system fits more

1559
01:10:57,439 --> 01:10:59,880
Speaker 3: the right side on the left side. But I do

1560
01:11:00,160 --> 01:11:04,240
Speaker 3: wonder also, you know kind of related. You know, Morgan

1561
01:11:04,280 --> 01:11:05,599
Speaker 3: Moses is thirty four years old.

1562
01:11:06,640 --> 01:11:07,559
Speaker 1: I think best case.

1563
01:11:07,400 --> 01:11:09,400
Speaker 3: Scenario when you draft a guy in the seventh round,

1564
01:11:09,680 --> 01:11:11,960
Speaker 3: if he's if he's a solid swing tackle, if he's

1565
01:11:11,960 --> 01:11:14,320
Speaker 3: a solid third tackle, Adrian Waddall.

1566
01:11:14,280 --> 01:11:15,400
Speaker 2: You made a good draft pick.

1567
01:11:16,120 --> 01:11:18,839
Speaker 3: Asking him to be like the air to Morgan Moses

1568
01:11:18,920 --> 01:11:22,400
Speaker 3: is probably pretty hefty, you know, pretty high bar, but

1569
01:11:22,640 --> 01:11:25,120
Speaker 3: still like that's the spot. You know, Campbell's going to

1570
01:11:25,160 --> 01:11:27,240
Speaker 3: be at left tackle for the next ten years, you know, right,

1571
01:11:27,520 --> 01:11:29,679
Speaker 3: So that's the spot that you look at that maybe

1572
01:11:29,720 --> 01:11:31,920
Speaker 3: there could be an opening down the line. So a

1573
01:11:32,040 --> 01:11:36,479
Speaker 3: combination of you know, getting him maybe as seeing him,

1574
01:11:36,760 --> 01:11:39,560
Speaker 3: you know, work behind Moses, Like could he be the

1575
01:11:39,800 --> 01:11:42,920
Speaker 3: right tackle of the future. We know Campbell's going to

1576
01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:45,360
Speaker 3: be over there on left side, so I think that

1577
01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:48,200
Speaker 3: he's probably worked mostly at right tackle in practice, but

1578
01:11:48,280 --> 01:11:50,320
Speaker 3: he has played left tackle a lot in college.

1579
01:11:50,479 --> 01:11:53,559
Speaker 1: So Marcus Bryant thirty four and five eighths cinch arms,

1580
01:11:53,720 --> 01:11:56,360
Speaker 1: he's a big dude. He's like six'. Eight, yeah, yeah

1581
01:11:56,400 --> 01:11:58,760
Speaker 1: he's a big. Boy the dear low thirty five and

1582
01:11:58,800 --> 01:12:00,519
Speaker 1: a half loong.

1583
01:12:00,720 --> 01:12:03,040
Speaker 3: Arms maybe that'll help him. Out, well we were told

1584
01:12:03,240 --> 01:12:06,640
Speaker 3: that that that's the only thing that. Matters do you

1585
01:12:06,720 --> 01:12:08,840
Speaker 3: want to take a little bit of a victory wrap

1586
01:12:09,120 --> 01:12:09,519
Speaker 3: here with?

1587
01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:10,400
Speaker 1: Something what you?

1588
01:12:10,479 --> 01:12:11,920
Speaker 3: KNOW i love a good victory and THEN i and

1589
01:12:11,960 --> 01:12:13,360
Speaker 3: THEN i have a real QUESTION i want to ask

1590
01:12:13,439 --> 01:12:16,240
Speaker 3: after this from the. Emails this is From tom And,

1591
01:12:16,360 --> 01:12:18,479
Speaker 3: maine just wondering if this was just a fever DREAM

1592
01:12:19,200 --> 01:12:21,680
Speaker 3: i had or were there are actually people In New

1593
01:12:21,720 --> 01:12:25,559
Speaker 3: england wishing we HAD jj McCarthy Over. Drake look At,

1594
01:12:25,640 --> 01:12:27,519
Speaker 3: alex look at how happy is THAT i brought this,

1595
01:12:27,720 --> 01:12:31,320
Speaker 3: Up Drake Drake May may at the beginning of the.

1596
01:12:31,439 --> 01:12:33,400
Speaker 2: Season, nope you did not.

1597
01:12:33,640 --> 01:12:33,920
Speaker 1: Dream.

1598
01:12:34,040 --> 01:12:36,960
Speaker 3: Tom i'm not going to call out. Names SOMETIMES i,

1599
01:12:37,080 --> 01:12:38,760
Speaker 3: do But i'm not going. To i'm going to take

1600
01:12:38,800 --> 01:12:39,120
Speaker 3: the high.

1601
01:12:39,200 --> 01:12:44,320
Speaker 2: Road but it's been pretty rough FOR jj. McCarthy a

1602
01:12:44,760 --> 01:12:45,800
Speaker 2: it's BEEN i feel for the.

1603
01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:47,400
Speaker 1: KID i don't want to like take a victory lap

1604
01:12:47,439 --> 01:12:48,760
Speaker 1: on a twenty one year. Old it's going through. It

1605
01:12:49,320 --> 01:12:51,120
Speaker 1: it's going through. IT i mean he's like it's.

1606
01:12:51,200 --> 01:12:53,560
Speaker 2: Football it's not like you're like, Victory like he's not

1607
01:12:53,680 --> 01:12:54,760
Speaker 2: going through. It, well, no he's.

1608
01:12:54,800 --> 01:12:57,920
Speaker 1: Concussion, okay, fine but you know What i'm, Saying, like

1609
01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:01,080
Speaker 1: it's not like you're not it's it's just wild when

1610
01:13:01,120 --> 01:13:03,599
Speaker 1: you look at and when he got, Drafted i'd said

1611
01:13:03,640 --> 01:13:07,160
Speaker 1: at the, time like that's a pretty good spot for

1612
01:13:07,240 --> 01:13:10,200
Speaker 1: him to go and if he's gonna succeed Anywhere between

1613
01:13:10,200 --> 01:13:12,439
Speaker 1: O'Connell and, NOW i know their offensive line's been banged,

1614
01:13:12,520 --> 01:13:14,519
Speaker 1: up but that offensive line And Justin jefferson and, like

1615
01:13:15,400 --> 01:13:19,080
Speaker 1: it's it's just a lot of what what we talked

1616
01:13:19,120 --> 01:13:21,120
Speaker 1: about leading into the, draft and maybe he figures it

1617
01:13:21,200 --> 01:13:23,040
Speaker 1: out down the. Road he's very, young and we've seen

1618
01:13:23,120 --> 01:13:25,439
Speaker 1: guys have this kind of career. Resurgence this is the

1619
01:13:25,479 --> 01:13:27,800
Speaker 1: new it thing in THE. Nfl The Baker, mayfields The Sam,

1620
01:13:27,840 --> 01:13:30,040
Speaker 1: darnolds who The vikings moved on, from The Daniel, joneses

1621
01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:32,840
Speaker 1: who The vikings moved on. From, no IF i really

1622
01:13:32,880 --> 01:13:34,519
Speaker 1: wanted to take a victory, lap i'd play the clip

1623
01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:37,360
Speaker 1: of me On Felgrin maz saying THAT jj McCarthy Is

1624
01:13:37,439 --> 01:13:39,760
Speaker 1: Zach wilson waiting to. Happen BUT i won't do, that not.

1625
01:13:39,960 --> 01:13:43,000
Speaker 1: YET i am. EXCITED i am excited to See Max.

1626
01:13:43,040 --> 01:13:45,519
Speaker 1: BROSMER i do kind of Like Max. BROSMER i liked

1627
01:13:45,560 --> 01:13:47,439
Speaker 1: him a little bit in the. Draft, NO i liked

1628
01:13:47,520 --> 01:13:49,479
Speaker 1: him as like a you, know potential. Backup, now the

1629
01:13:49,560 --> 01:13:51,160
Speaker 1: last TIME i said this about a guy Was bailey's,

1630
01:13:51,160 --> 01:13:55,559
Speaker 1: appy and that turned into whole. Thing Could Max Brosber bailey's?

1631
01:13:55,560 --> 01:13:58,680
Speaker 1: APPY jj, McCarthy i don't. KNOW i liked him in the.

1632
01:13:58,760 --> 01:14:00,759
Speaker 1: DRAFT i liked him as kind of a project backup.

1633
01:14:00,840 --> 01:14:03,680
Speaker 1: Quarterback he obviously, played he played. Well we saw him

1634
01:14:03,680 --> 01:14:06,439
Speaker 1: against The patriots in the. Preseason, yeah that was somebody

1635
01:14:06,479 --> 01:14:08,280
Speaker 1: we were talking about when we were wondering About Josh,

1636
01:14:08,320 --> 01:14:10,800
Speaker 1: dobbs if they need another, backup you, know if he got,

1637
01:14:10,880 --> 01:14:15,320
Speaker 1: cut if he'd be an. Option BUT i do like,

1638
01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:18,320
Speaker 1: UH i do Like. Brosmer i'm interested to see What

1639
01:14:18,320 --> 01:14:20,599
Speaker 1: brosma is gonna. Do SO i think the biggest hell

1640
01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:23,880
Speaker 1: he's gonna Be Tom. Brady but, RIGHT i haven't a full.

1641
01:14:23,960 --> 01:14:26,920
Speaker 3: DISCLOSURE i have, not you, know, actually FOR i wouldn't

1642
01:14:26,920 --> 01:14:29,400
Speaker 3: have any reason. TO i haven't watched or you, know

1643
01:14:29,479 --> 01:14:32,880
Speaker 3: STUDY jj McCarthy on film at. All but the things

1644
01:14:32,920 --> 01:14:34,639
Speaker 3: That i've seen or that some of the cut ups

1645
01:14:34,680 --> 01:14:37,160
Speaker 3: and some of what people are saying that do Study

1646
01:14:37,640 --> 01:14:40,240
Speaker 3: vikings tape are saying is, that you, know he's having

1647
01:14:40,320 --> 01:14:43,599
Speaker 3: a lot of trouble reading coverage and specifically reading. Leverage

1648
01:14:43,920 --> 01:14:45,519
Speaker 3: you know a lot of, uh you, know we talk

1649
01:14:45,560 --> 01:14:49,320
Speaker 3: about coverages like cover, One cover, two cover, three but

1650
01:14:49,439 --> 01:14:52,080
Speaker 3: a lot of reading coverage from a quarterback perspective is

1651
01:14:52,160 --> 01:14:55,720
Speaker 3: just reading the body positioning of the. Defender, Right so

1652
01:14:55,880 --> 01:14:58,760
Speaker 3: the defender is sitting, inside then the route's going to break,

1653
01:14:58,800 --> 01:15:01,800
Speaker 3: outside and you should know with anticipation that that's going to,

1654
01:15:01,840 --> 01:15:03,560
Speaker 3: happen and you're going to have an open area of the.

1655
01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:05,120
Speaker 2: Field you, know it's called reading.

1656
01:15:05,200 --> 01:15:07,599
Speaker 3: Leverage you know the defender is sitting outside the route

1657
01:15:08,120 --> 01:15:10,120
Speaker 3: and you know that the receiver is gonna run a,

1658
01:15:10,160 --> 01:15:13,320
Speaker 3: slant then, you in, theory should have an easy throw

1659
01:15:13,400 --> 01:15:16,800
Speaker 3: there away from the defender's. Leverage so when you watch

1660
01:15:16,920 --> 01:15:19,280
Speaker 3: McCarthy a lot on, tape you know he doesn't really

1661
01:15:19,400 --> 01:15:23,000
Speaker 3: see those leverage opportunities as quickly as he, should and

1662
01:15:23,160 --> 01:15:26,240
Speaker 3: so that leads to throws that shouldn't really be tight

1663
01:15:26,320 --> 01:15:28,880
Speaker 3: window throws becoming tight window Throw it's.

1664
01:15:28,600 --> 01:15:32,840
Speaker 1: That and then to, me everything's a fastball and people

1665
01:15:32,920 --> 01:15:33,599
Speaker 1: talk about his arm.

1666
01:15:33,640 --> 01:15:36,599
Speaker 3: Strengthening these go hand in hand BECAUSE i don't think

1667
01:15:36,600 --> 01:15:39,240
Speaker 3: he's throwing with. Anticipation so what he's trying to do

1668
01:15:39,360 --> 01:15:41,479
Speaker 3: is he's trying to make up for the lack of

1669
01:15:41,560 --> 01:15:44,439
Speaker 3: anticipation with just throwing the ball as hard as he.

1670
01:15:44,520 --> 01:15:46,960
Speaker 1: Can, yeah he doesn't really have a touch, throw and,

1671
01:15:47,000 --> 01:15:48,840
Speaker 1: look these are things that can be, coached that can be. Fixed,

1672
01:15:48,840 --> 01:15:50,960
Speaker 1: again he's a young guy and maybe he figures it,

1673
01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:52,759
Speaker 1: out it's probably gonna have to be outside Of minnesota

1674
01:15:52,760 --> 01:15:55,320
Speaker 1: at this. Point but, oh you're.

1675
01:15:55,200 --> 01:15:57,320
Speaker 2: Already you're already having The vikings move.

1676
01:15:57,360 --> 01:16:01,320
Speaker 1: On we're already. There it's a you're going to need a.

1677
01:16:01,400 --> 01:16:04,639
Speaker 1: Quarterback SO i don't, know but, LIKE i don't think

1678
01:16:04,680 --> 01:16:07,639
Speaker 1: O'Connell's gonna if he can't get it. DONE i don't

1679
01:16:07,680 --> 01:16:10,080
Speaker 1: think O'Connell's gonna waste. TIME i don't think O'Connell doesn't

1680
01:16:10,120 --> 01:16:11,600
Speaker 1: seem like the kind of coach that would do the,

1681
01:16:12,120 --> 01:16:14,000
Speaker 1: obligatory mean to give them another year because you drafted.

1682
01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:15,240
Speaker 1: Me you also memories going in a year.

1683
01:16:15,280 --> 01:16:19,400
Speaker 3: Three O'Connell needs needs his Brock party because this is

1684
01:16:19,600 --> 01:16:21,080
Speaker 3: this is what happened With Trey lance and Brock.

1685
01:16:21,120 --> 01:16:22,479
Speaker 1: Party is it Mac?

1686
01:16:22,560 --> 01:16:25,120
Speaker 3: JONES i don't, know but he just needs his no

1687
01:16:25,760 --> 01:16:28,240
Speaker 3: like it might, be but he doesn't have. That he

1688
01:16:28,280 --> 01:16:29,200
Speaker 3: doesn't Have Black purty.

1689
01:16:29,280 --> 01:16:32,240
Speaker 1: Yet, look he Needs maybe he could Get brocket if

1690
01:16:32,240 --> 01:16:34,320
Speaker 1: The niners really Like Mac. Jones he needs that, guy

1691
01:16:34,720 --> 01:16:36,960
Speaker 1: and then that's one of The niners quarterbacks is on

1692
01:16:37,040 --> 01:16:39,960
Speaker 1: The vikings next year would be pretty.

1693
01:16:40,040 --> 01:16:44,639
Speaker 3: High, yeah all, right here comes another question from DON

1694
01:16:44,760 --> 01:16:47,080
Speaker 3: i want to talk a little BIT afc playoff picture

1695
01:16:47,240 --> 01:16:50,920
Speaker 3: and before we preview The giants, Game so right, now you,

1696
01:16:51,000 --> 01:16:53,559
Speaker 3: know how do you see the basically simple, question how

1697
01:16:53,640 --> 01:16:56,639
Speaker 3: do you see THE afc seating shaking? Out he thinks

1698
01:16:56,680 --> 01:16:59,000
Speaker 3: The patriots win in The east is almost a. Lock

1699
01:16:59,320 --> 01:17:02,639
Speaker 3: it isn't not mathematically over by any. Means it's getting

1700
01:17:02,680 --> 01:17:04,640
Speaker 3: pretty close in terms of The patriots.

1701
01:17:04,320 --> 01:17:08,680
Speaker 1: When they win this. Week if The patriots beat The, giants.

1702
01:17:08,479 --> 01:17:10,400
Speaker 2: They could clinch the division against both no.

1703
01:17:10,479 --> 01:17:12,479
Speaker 1: Matter What buffalo does against The. Steelers that's a hat

1704
01:17:12,520 --> 01:17:17,800
Speaker 1: AND t shirt. Game, yes, okay? Yes is? It do

1705
01:17:17,880 --> 01:17:19,600
Speaker 1: they can they clinch the playoffs this? Week or is

1706
01:17:19,600 --> 01:17:22,479
Speaker 1: it one and the? SAME i haven't seen any eleven

1707
01:17:22,560 --> 01:17:25,240
Speaker 1: wins they would. CLINCH i haven't seen any clinching. Scenarios

1708
01:17:25,320 --> 01:17:29,559
Speaker 1: it feels like we're getting, there. Though come out On. Tuesdays,

1709
01:17:29,720 --> 01:17:30,160
Speaker 1: yeah SO i.

1710
01:17:30,200 --> 01:17:32,080
Speaker 2: DIDN'T i didn't see. Those i'm starting to see.

1711
01:17:32,200 --> 01:17:34,360
Speaker 1: Teams what's the reverse of a. Clinch we're starting to

1712
01:17:34,400 --> 01:17:34,800
Speaker 1: see teams.

1713
01:17:35,120 --> 01:17:39,280
Speaker 3: Eliminated, yeah The giants are, eliminated and THE i think

1714
01:17:39,320 --> 01:17:41,720
Speaker 3: The giants are eliminated and it's just The.

1715
01:17:41,800 --> 01:17:44,360
Speaker 1: Giants how are The titans not? Eliminated they're one in

1716
01:17:44,439 --> 01:17:49,600
Speaker 1: ten because their division leader is how are they not?

1717
01:17:49,680 --> 01:17:51,840
Speaker 1: Eliminated i'm on THE nfl website right. Now is the

1718
01:17:51,960 --> 01:17:53,920
Speaker 1: k the case is knocked? Out, oh knocked out of

1719
01:17:54,000 --> 01:17:57,920
Speaker 1: division title. Contention The giants can. Playoffs The titans can

1720
01:17:57,960 --> 01:18:00,439
Speaker 1: only go seven to. Ten that's not Making there's three

1721
01:18:00,600 --> 01:18:03,160
Speaker 1: seven win wild card teams right. Now that's. Why, okay,

1722
01:18:03,280 --> 01:18:04,920
Speaker 1: yeah you're, Right so like there's STILL i go in

1723
01:18:04,960 --> 01:18:06,200
Speaker 1: the playoff machine and try to.

1724
01:18:07,160 --> 01:18:09,880
Speaker 3: So they they're gonna get eliminated this. Week so right,

1725
01:18:09,960 --> 01:18:12,679
Speaker 3: now just you, know reading off the standings really. Quickly

1726
01:18:13,200 --> 01:18:15,240
Speaker 3: The patriots have an extra. Game but The patriots are

1727
01:18:15,439 --> 01:18:19,160
Speaker 3: number one seed right? Now, Denver, Indye, baltimore The Lack,

1728
01:18:19,520 --> 01:18:26,759
Speaker 3: Jacksonville buffalo is your top Seven Kansas city, Right New, England, Denver, Indy,

1729
01:18:27,080 --> 01:18:29,000
Speaker 3: baltimore The Chargers Jackson.

1730
01:18:29,080 --> 01:18:32,000
Speaker 1: Bellway what'd you call The chargers? Lack don't, know but

1731
01:18:32,120 --> 01:18:34,000
Speaker 1: that's not a thing you want to talk. About, Cringey,

1732
01:18:34,479 --> 01:18:38,200
Speaker 1: no that's so much all the. Time i've never heard.

1733
01:18:38,280 --> 01:18:43,479
Speaker 1: That don't do that. Anymore, wow that's bad. Fight so

1734
01:18:43,640 --> 01:18:48,320
Speaker 1: The rams the Lar, yeah this Is Paul perrillo with.

1735
01:18:48,439 --> 01:18:50,240
Speaker 1: Him i've never heard. That, YEAH i don't love.

1736
01:18:50,200 --> 01:18:54,320
Speaker 3: That, Anyways, yeah, Clearly so here we. Go so The

1737
01:18:54,400 --> 01:18:58,560
Speaker 3: patriots call him, lack not the. Lack, okay The patriots

1738
01:18:58,600 --> 01:19:01,080
Speaker 3: are the one seed with the extra game and before

1739
01:19:01,120 --> 01:19:05,120
Speaker 3: their bye week, here But DENVER i think currently still

1740
01:19:05,160 --> 01:19:08,720
Speaker 3: has the tie breakers over The patriots IF i think

1741
01:19:08,760 --> 01:19:11,400
Speaker 3: it's conference and THEN i think it's strength of victory

1742
01:19:11,640 --> 01:19:12,040
Speaker 3: If i'm not.

1743
01:19:12,200 --> 01:19:13,799
Speaker 2: Mistaken is the next, one which.

1744
01:19:13,680 --> 01:19:17,439
Speaker 1: Is, Yes so right now they are Both, no there's

1745
01:19:17,479 --> 01:19:18,840
Speaker 1: common games in there, too oh.

1746
01:19:18,960 --> 01:19:20,880
Speaker 3: RIGHT i don't know if how many common games, it

1747
01:19:20,960 --> 01:19:23,240
Speaker 3: but they're both six and two in the. Conference and

1748
01:19:23,920 --> 01:19:27,080
Speaker 3: The broncos have a better strength of, victory but it

1749
01:19:27,160 --> 01:19:30,120
Speaker 3: is currently than The. Patriots it is, close and The

1750
01:19:30,160 --> 01:19:34,920
Speaker 3: patriots and The chiefs Are. Broncos so basically that's where we're.

1751
01:19:34,960 --> 01:19:37,680
Speaker 3: At if the playoffs sort of start the day of

1752
01:19:37,720 --> 01:19:40,000
Speaker 3: The patriots will of course have the. Bye BUT i

1753
01:19:40,040 --> 01:19:43,120
Speaker 3: think the more interesting thing to me is that if

1754
01:19:43,160 --> 01:19:45,439
Speaker 3: they do fall down to the two seed Once denver

1755
01:19:45,560 --> 01:19:47,040
Speaker 3: plays a game, in The patriots.

1756
01:19:47,080 --> 01:19:48,760
Speaker 1: Don't in terms of the tie.

1757
01:19:48,800 --> 01:19:52,760
Speaker 3: Breakers you're looking at a situation NOW i, think you,

1758
01:19:52,800 --> 01:19:55,360
Speaker 3: know Maybe jacksonville falls off, here but you're looking at

1759
01:19:55,400 --> 01:19:57,520
Speaker 3: a situation where a team Like, Buffalo.

1760
01:19:57,240 --> 01:19:59,240
Speaker 2: Houston Or Kansas city is going to be that seventh.

1761
01:19:59,240 --> 01:20:03,760
Speaker 3: Seed AND i have been kind of projecting this whole

1762
01:20:03,800 --> 01:20:06,600
Speaker 3: time That buffalo would be the top wildcard BECAUSE i

1763
01:20:06,880 --> 01:20:08,960
Speaker 3: have respect For buffalo AND i think they'll be the

1764
01:20:09,120 --> 01:20:12,200
Speaker 3: best wildcard team in terms of their. Record but as

1765
01:20:12,280 --> 01:20:14,320
Speaker 3: of right, now after they lost to The, texans they're

1766
01:20:14,360 --> 01:20:16,640
Speaker 3: seven and four and they're the seventh seed right now

1767
01:20:16,760 --> 01:20:19,080
Speaker 3: in THE. Afc how do you see this whole thing shaking?

1768
01:20:19,160 --> 01:20:22,240
Speaker 3: OUT i think the number one team THAT i don't

1769
01:20:22,320 --> 01:20:25,120
Speaker 3: know if they will hold on looking at it Is.

1770
01:20:25,240 --> 01:20:29,719
Speaker 3: JACKSONVILLE i just don't Trust. Jacksonville jacksonville's weird And Trevor

1771
01:20:29,800 --> 01:20:32,560
Speaker 3: lawrence has just not been particularly. Great so IF i

1772
01:20:32,640 --> 01:20:37,200
Speaker 3: had to, guess one Of houston Or Kansas city might

1773
01:20:38,400 --> 01:20:40,280
Speaker 3: Jump jacksonville by the end of this, While.

1774
01:20:40,479 --> 01:20:42,000
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna throw this. Out SO i was playing

1775
01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:44,240
Speaker 1: around with THE Espn playoff machine a little. Bit, yeah

1776
01:20:45,000 --> 01:20:48,760
Speaker 1: the first and second seed could come down to The

1777
01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:50,960
Speaker 1: cults are really tough schedule down stretch Of patriots And.

1778
01:20:51,000 --> 01:20:55,200
Speaker 1: Broncos remember last year with the or two years ago

1779
01:20:55,320 --> 01:20:57,519
Speaker 1: with the draft, stuff we were cheering for like random

1780
01:20:57,560 --> 01:21:01,120
Speaker 1: games because it impacted the strength of, schedule that same

1781
01:21:01,240 --> 01:21:03,719
Speaker 1: thing might. Happen LIKE i just flipped A Jet saints

1782
01:21:03,840 --> 01:21:08,640
Speaker 1: game and it changed, Something so that's gonna be a.

1783
01:21:09,240 --> 01:21:12,160
Speaker 1: Thing who DO i think is gonna fall out? THERE i,

1784
01:21:12,240 --> 01:21:16,000
Speaker 1: mean if, anybody The jaguars And chargers both, could like

1785
01:21:16,080 --> 01:21:17,799
Speaker 1: do you end up with a wild? Card That's, Buffalo

1786
01:21:17,880 --> 01:21:20,680
Speaker 1: houston And Kansas. CITY i think those are probably the

1787
01:21:20,760 --> 01:21:21,320
Speaker 1: three best.

1788
01:21:21,360 --> 01:21:24,519
Speaker 3: TEAMS i just don't know if the way the schedule

1789
01:21:24,720 --> 01:21:26,919
Speaker 3: is in the fact That Kansas city's margin For arabat

1790
01:21:27,160 --> 01:21:29,600
Speaker 3: is basically zero at this, point you, know do they

1791
01:21:29,680 --> 01:21:31,439
Speaker 3: have that ability TO i don't think they have to

1792
01:21:31,520 --> 01:21:34,280
Speaker 3: run the table, necessarily BUT i think they have five

1793
01:21:34,360 --> 01:21:37,800
Speaker 3: games left or six games, left five games, left they

1794
01:21:37,920 --> 01:21:40,280
Speaker 3: have to go what four and, two five and, one

1795
01:21:40,479 --> 01:21:42,639
Speaker 3: like they're NOT i think they could trip.

1796
01:21:42,600 --> 01:21:45,080
Speaker 2: Up, once but they're gonna have to mostly run the.

1797
01:21:45,120 --> 01:21:46,480
Speaker 2: Table Bill's Texans.

1798
01:21:46,880 --> 01:21:49,000
Speaker 1: CHIEFS i think the team most likely to miss as The.

1799
01:21:49,080 --> 01:21:50,840
Speaker 1: CHIEFS i think the team most likely to go on

1800
01:21:50,880 --> 01:21:52,799
Speaker 1: a late run here and really climb up Is. Houston,

1801
01:21:53,080 --> 01:21:54,960
Speaker 1: yeah The bills are kind of in the. Middle Now

1802
01:21:55,080 --> 01:21:58,000
Speaker 1: i'll ask you, This, okay those are because that's right,

1803
01:21:58,120 --> 01:22:00,400
Speaker 1: now it's there's kind of a. Gap so you have

1804
01:22:00,520 --> 01:22:03,360
Speaker 1: the three wild card teams are seven and, Four, Houston,

1805
01:22:03,400 --> 01:22:06,000
Speaker 1: Pittsburg Kansas city are six and, five and then No.

1806
01:22:06,160 --> 01:22:08,320
Speaker 1: Gate no team is within two games of that. Group,

1807
01:22:08,560 --> 01:22:12,439
Speaker 1: yeah that being, said do you put any stock Into

1808
01:22:12,560 --> 01:22:15,400
Speaker 1: Joe burrow being back and The bengals lurking as a.

1809
01:22:15,439 --> 01:22:18,719
Speaker 1: Threat now they have The, Ravens, Bills, Ravens, Dolphins, Cardinals.

1810
01:22:18,800 --> 01:22:20,560
Speaker 1: Browns not a, lot not a.

1811
01:22:20,640 --> 01:22:25,599
Speaker 3: LOT i think that they're they're two. BURIED i don't

1812
01:22:25,800 --> 01:22:30,240
Speaker 3: know now If burrow plays that. Game SO i hear

1813
01:22:30,280 --> 01:22:32,360
Speaker 3: a lot of this, too that If burrow, plays The

1814
01:22:32,400 --> 01:22:35,360
Speaker 3: patriots lose or If chase, plays The patriots. Lose like to,

1815
01:22:35,439 --> 01:22:37,040
Speaker 3: ME i think that's hard to do because it's a

1816
01:22:37,080 --> 01:22:40,360
Speaker 3: butterfly effect of like are The patriots more locked?

1817
01:22:40,439 --> 01:22:43,120
Speaker 2: In like do they play the game? Differently like you,

1818
01:22:43,200 --> 01:22:44,120
Speaker 2: know when It's.

1819
01:22:44,160 --> 01:22:46,439
Speaker 1: Chase Of beaconsalz the Way Mitchell tinsley, did.

1820
01:22:46,880 --> 01:22:48,600
Speaker 3: It's hard to get up for a game against a

1821
01:22:48,640 --> 01:22:51,400
Speaker 3: banged Up Joe flacco and No Jamar. Chase If Joe

1822
01:22:51,439 --> 01:22:53,280
Speaker 3: burrow And Jamar chase are playing in that game On,

1823
01:22:53,400 --> 01:22:54,719
Speaker 3: sunday that's a totally different.

1824
01:22:54,800 --> 01:22:56,840
Speaker 2: Feel like it's a totally different. Game SO i hate

1825
01:22:56,880 --> 01:22:58,120
Speaker 2: playing that sort of.

1826
01:22:58,280 --> 01:23:01,760
Speaker 3: Game AND i just think with The, bengals like on the,

1827
01:23:01,880 --> 01:23:05,600
Speaker 3: WHOLE i don't know if their offense has really been the.

1828
01:23:05,720 --> 01:23:09,840
Speaker 3: Issue like they've scored points basically with both. Quarterbacks SO

1829
01:23:10,080 --> 01:23:13,960
Speaker 3: i don't know If Joe burrow coming, Back now there's

1830
01:23:14,040 --> 01:23:16,240
Speaker 3: the whole angle of like he's going to rally the

1831
01:23:16,320 --> 01:23:19,479
Speaker 3: troops and everybody's gonna be, confident And I'LL i hear,

1832
01:23:19,560 --> 01:23:22,880
Speaker 3: That BUT i don't know If Joe burrow coming back

1833
01:23:23,040 --> 01:23:25,599
Speaker 3: is gonna fix what ails, Them like the are they

1834
01:23:25,680 --> 01:23:27,479
Speaker 3: now all of a sudden gonna have a great defense

1835
01:23:27,520 --> 01:23:30,519
Speaker 3: Because Joe burrow's, Back, LIKE i, mean it got a

1836
01:23:30,560 --> 01:23:32,080
Speaker 3: little bit, Better LIKE i think it was a little

1837
01:23:32,080 --> 01:23:33,600
Speaker 3: bit better Against, pittsburgh and it was a little bit

1838
01:23:33,640 --> 01:23:36,400
Speaker 3: better against The, patriots but it's still not a good defense,

1839
01:23:36,600 --> 01:23:39,240
Speaker 3: Sure and SO i don't know how Much Joe burrow actually.

1840
01:23:39,320 --> 01:23:40,960
Speaker 3: Fixes and that's not taking anything away From.

1841
01:23:41,000 --> 01:23:43,280
Speaker 1: BURROW i just all, right let me ask you one. More,

1842
01:23:43,520 --> 01:23:48,000
Speaker 1: yeah four and. Seven The, Dolphins, Saints, Jet, Steelers, Bengals, Bucks.

1843
01:23:48,040 --> 01:23:54,960
Speaker 1: Patriots are they lurking say that? Again, Saints, Jets, Steelers, Yeah, Bengals, Bucks,

1844
01:23:55,040 --> 01:23:57,400
Speaker 1: patriots are they lurking.

1845
01:23:57,240 --> 01:23:57,880
Speaker 2: In terms of what the?

1846
01:23:57,920 --> 01:24:04,240
Speaker 1: Playoffs The patriots are in the. Playoffs, no The, dolphins The, Dolphins, Oh, Saints,

1847
01:24:04,320 --> 01:24:05,840
Speaker 1: jets that's the rest of their. Schedule ye?

1848
01:24:05,960 --> 01:24:12,680
Speaker 2: Gotcha, Okay. Dolphins i'm a little bit more optimistic about The.

1849
01:24:12,760 --> 01:24:14,800
Speaker 1: Dolphins oh. SEE i think there's a better chance The

1850
01:24:14,840 --> 01:24:16,839
Speaker 1: bengals make a. RUN i think there's a better.

1851
01:24:16,800 --> 01:24:19,840
Speaker 3: Chance that The dolphins make a run BECAUSE i think

1852
01:24:19,920 --> 01:24:22,320
Speaker 3: that The bengals are gonna have to win their, division

1853
01:24:22,760 --> 01:24:25,599
Speaker 3: AND i Think baltimore is gonna kind of blow doors

1854
01:24:25,600 --> 01:24:26,040
Speaker 3: the rest of the.

1855
01:24:26,080 --> 01:24:26,920
Speaker 2: WAY i really.

1856
01:24:26,920 --> 01:24:27,800
Speaker 6: DO i.

1857
01:24:27,920 --> 01:24:33,160
Speaker 3: DON'T i Think miami. IS i don't know what's going

1858
01:24:33,240 --> 01:24:37,800
Speaker 3: on In. Miami, like Maybe miami's problem was not saying

1859
01:24:37,840 --> 01:24:41,240
Speaker 3: that he's don't get all, upset not saying That mike McDaniel's.

1860
01:24:41,280 --> 01:24:44,640
Speaker 3: Perfect but Maybe miami's bigger problem was Actually Tyreek hill

1861
01:24:44,720 --> 01:24:45,479
Speaker 3: and not Not mike.

1862
01:24:45,560 --> 01:24:46,280
Speaker 2: McDaniel is that.

1863
01:24:46,400 --> 01:24:48,680
Speaker 3: Possible, well they were bad After Tyree hill got, hurt

1864
01:24:49,680 --> 01:24:51,760
Speaker 3: but they're playing a lot better. NOW i just wonder

1865
01:24:51,760 --> 01:24:54,560
Speaker 3: if the vibes are better In miami because of. THAT

1866
01:24:54,960 --> 01:24:56,720
Speaker 3: i just look at it more in terms of like

1867
01:24:56,800 --> 01:24:59,880
Speaker 3: your path, Right LIKE i think Since cincinnati's only pat

1868
01:25:00,120 --> 01:25:01,719
Speaker 3: me to make the playoffs is to win the. Division

1869
01:25:02,000 --> 01:25:04,040
Speaker 3: AND i just don't Think baltimore is gonna take. That

1870
01:25:04,280 --> 01:25:05,840
Speaker 3: it's going to go backwards and.

1871
01:25:06,000 --> 01:25:11,560
Speaker 1: START i just think their wins this year home indoors it.

1872
01:25:11,720 --> 01:25:13,680
Speaker 1: HOME i think so. Too but like they still got

1873
01:25:13,760 --> 01:25:15,240
Speaker 1: to go To New york And pittsburgh that's in the

1874
01:25:15,280 --> 01:25:19,000
Speaker 1: cold In New. England. Yeah, now maybe The patriots aren't

1875
01:25:19,000 --> 01:25:20,880
Speaker 1: playing for anything that last. Week it'd be, great who,

1876
01:25:20,920 --> 01:25:23,120
Speaker 1: knows but, like, yeah, okay.

1877
01:25:23,920 --> 01:25:25,880
Speaker 3: Anything changing in your mind in terms of who you

1878
01:25:25,920 --> 01:25:28,040
Speaker 3: want to, play and if The patriots are playing on

1879
01:25:28,080 --> 01:25:31,519
Speaker 3: wild card, Weekends chargers Or, jaguars and The chargers are

1880
01:25:31,560 --> 01:25:35,280
Speaker 3: really The chargers are really banged. Up, yeah we've seen

1881
01:25:35,320 --> 01:25:37,559
Speaker 3: what that team does coming here in the. Cold, yeah that's,

1882
01:25:37,600 --> 01:25:39,599
Speaker 3: True AND i am with. YOU i IF i had

1883
01:25:39,640 --> 01:25:42,040
Speaker 3: to pick one team THAT i would want to play

1884
01:25:42,040 --> 01:25:43,680
Speaker 3: the most of The, Jacksonville.

1885
01:25:43,600 --> 01:25:45,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, Probably BUT i put those two in like a similar.

1886
01:25:46,040 --> 01:25:47,080
Speaker 1: TIER i don't think That.

1887
01:25:47,200 --> 01:25:50,880
Speaker 3: JACKSONVILLE i worry that that's going to Be houston instead Of.

1888
01:25:50,960 --> 01:25:52,479
Speaker 3: Jacksonville And houston's not A.

1889
01:25:52,560 --> 01:25:55,519
Speaker 1: Houston i'm not saying The patriots can't Beat houston and

1890
01:25:55,560 --> 01:25:57,559
Speaker 1: we'll see how well that defense. Travels but that defense

1891
01:25:57,640 --> 01:25:58,960
Speaker 1: is the real. Deal that's going to be a tough

1892
01:25:59,000 --> 01:25:59,800
Speaker 1: one if they have to play.

1893
01:25:59,800 --> 01:26:02,080
Speaker 3: Them all, right let's Take mars call and then we'll

1894
01:26:02,120 --> 01:26:03,720
Speaker 3: get to The giants and we'll wrap it up on The.

1895
01:26:03,760 --> 01:26:04,479
Speaker 1: Giants what's, Up?

1896
01:26:04,520 --> 01:26:12,280
Speaker 9: Mark, hey, guys how you doing? Today Happy thanksgiving. Guys

1897
01:26:12,439 --> 01:26:16,680
Speaker 9: i'm telling YOU i cannot See Vederian lowe out there

1898
01:26:16,800 --> 01:26:20,120
Speaker 9: one more. TIME i, mean the guy is literally falling

1899
01:26:20,479 --> 01:26:22,680
Speaker 9: over his. FEET i THINK i saw him two or

1900
01:26:22,720 --> 01:26:25,320
Speaker 9: three times literally just fall flat on his face and

1901
01:26:25,400 --> 01:26:29,280
Speaker 9: there was nobody even around. HIM i can't watch that.

1902
01:26:29,439 --> 01:26:33,120
Speaker 9: ANYMORE i Think bryant is an excellent. TACKLE i think

1903
01:26:33,160 --> 01:26:35,719
Speaker 9: he played pretty well when he came in For Morgan

1904
01:26:35,800 --> 01:26:38,000
Speaker 9: moses on the. Right i'd love to see him on the.

1905
01:26:38,120 --> 01:26:41,439
Speaker 9: Left i'm not sure about this guy that we just picked,

1906
01:26:41,520 --> 01:26:44,759
Speaker 9: up BUT i really think that at this, point anything

1907
01:26:45,200 --> 01:26:47,519
Speaker 9: is better Than Viderian. LOWE i can't believe that they

1908
01:26:47,720 --> 01:26:51,280
Speaker 9: kept the guy after last. YEAR i, mean you, know

1909
01:26:51,400 --> 01:26:54,240
Speaker 9: we just we got to move on from. Him the

1910
01:26:54,360 --> 01:26:58,960
Speaker 9: last thing is from a fantasy, Perspective, alex who would

1911
01:26:59,040 --> 01:27:04,759
Speaker 9: you Play Lamar jackson this? Week Or Drake may you don't.

1912
01:27:04,560 --> 01:27:06,519
Speaker 1: Want to ask me fantasy QUESTIONS a little bad at.

1913
01:27:06,520 --> 01:27:09,680
Speaker 2: It Lamar jackson against The bengals Or Drake may against The.

1914
01:27:09,720 --> 01:27:16,000
Speaker 1: Giants, Correct, Well bengals defense has to, regress, right you would.

1915
01:27:15,760 --> 01:27:16,080
Speaker 4: Think.

1916
01:27:17,640 --> 01:27:19,320
Speaker 9: AND i would think That baltimore has to.

1917
01:27:19,400 --> 01:27:21,679
Speaker 1: Win but it is a division. Game it is a division.

1918
01:27:21,760 --> 01:27:24,559
Speaker 1: Game Drake, may it's a short.

1919
01:27:24,640 --> 01:27:30,479
Speaker 3: Week i'd probably Go lamar Ask, evin he actually plays

1920
01:27:30,479 --> 01:27:33,519
Speaker 3: fantasy football a little. Bit i'd probably Go Lamar mark

1921
01:27:33,960 --> 01:27:37,000
Speaker 3: just BECAUSE i don't. KNOW i just HAVE i have you,

1922
01:27:37,080 --> 01:27:40,479
Speaker 3: know easy have two TIME. MVP i have a little

1923
01:27:40,479 --> 01:27:44,160
Speaker 3: bit more faith in guys like that, sometimes you, know

1924
01:27:44,439 --> 01:27:46,560
Speaker 3: than a young player Like. Drake So i'd probably Go.

1925
01:27:46,680 --> 01:27:49,800
Speaker 3: Lamar BUT i think that you could see it either.

1926
01:27:49,840 --> 01:27:51,080
Speaker 2: WAY i.

1927
01:27:51,439 --> 01:27:54,080
Speaker 9: Agree and what's your take On Vederian? Low are you? Agreement?

1928
01:27:54,920 --> 01:27:56,200
Speaker 2: Look you, know and thanks for the.

1929
01:27:56,240 --> 01:27:56,360
Speaker 8: Call.

1930
01:27:56,479 --> 01:27:58,200
Speaker 2: Mark we're gonna let you go and we'll answer your

1931
01:27:58,240 --> 01:27:58,719
Speaker 2: question About.

1932
01:27:58,760 --> 01:28:02,640
Speaker 3: Low i'm not nearly as strong As mark is on

1933
01:28:02,760 --> 01:28:07,000
Speaker 3: the anti Vendarian low. TRAIN i he was not good

1934
01:28:07,040 --> 01:28:10,000
Speaker 3: for them last, year but a lot of people did

1935
01:28:10,040 --> 01:28:12,840
Speaker 3: not play good football for The patriots last. Year and

1936
01:28:13,800 --> 01:28:15,560
Speaker 3: was he really set up in a great position to

1937
01:28:15,640 --> 01:28:19,240
Speaker 3: succeed with that coaching. Staff on top of, that like

1938
01:28:19,400 --> 01:28:22,200
Speaker 3: he had to. Play we're talking about him playing, LIKE

1939
01:28:22,360 --> 01:28:24,280
Speaker 3: i don't know what did he played like thirteen games last?

1940
01:28:24,320 --> 01:28:27,599
Speaker 3: Year fourteen games last? Year played a no because chokes

1941
01:28:27,600 --> 01:28:28,920
Speaker 3: the coor four played one.

1942
01:28:29,200 --> 01:28:29,920
Speaker 1: But he didn't finish.

1943
01:28:29,920 --> 01:28:29,960
Speaker 6: It.

1944
01:28:30,080 --> 01:28:32,280
Speaker 2: Ye, Yeah well so he played a lot of games last.

1945
01:28:32,320 --> 01:28:35,720
Speaker 1: Year you're hope he played. Fourteen you're hoping That.

1946
01:28:37,280 --> 01:28:40,360
Speaker 2: Vederian lil only has to play like four, games three,

1947
01:28:40,439 --> 01:28:43,920
Speaker 2: games four games this, year, Right so it's a much,

1948
01:28:44,040 --> 01:28:49,360
Speaker 2: shorter much smaller sample. Size AND i REMEMBER i looked

1949
01:28:49,400 --> 01:28:51,960
Speaker 2: this up last night because as we segue here to The,

1950
01:28:52,040 --> 01:28:58,320
Speaker 2: giants The giants on paper have a pass rush that

1951
01:28:58,400 --> 01:29:02,840
Speaker 2: you should. Fear you, know A, Carter Brian, Burns Dexter

1952
01:29:03,000 --> 01:29:05,240
Speaker 2: lawrence rushing in the. Middle it's a good.

1953
01:29:05,280 --> 01:29:10,240
Speaker 3: Group they have, underperformed wildly, underperformed and that's why they're head.

1954
01:29:10,280 --> 01:29:13,920
Speaker 3: Coaching their defensive coordinator no longer have. JOBS i would

1955
01:29:13,960 --> 01:29:16,240
Speaker 3: say that's the main reason they have the second highest

1956
01:29:16,320 --> 01:29:20,519
Speaker 3: payroll in THE nfl on, defense including a third overall

1957
01:29:20,600 --> 01:29:24,040
Speaker 3: pick rookie And Abdull carter all invested in their. Defense

1958
01:29:24,120 --> 01:29:29,280
Speaker 3: Dibideau Carter Burns, lawrence and with that, group they are

1959
01:29:29,439 --> 01:29:33,160
Speaker 3: twenty third in pressure. Rate they are fifteenth in past

1960
01:29:33,240 --> 01:29:36,639
Speaker 3: rush win. Rate that's not good. Enough if that's how

1961
01:29:36,800 --> 01:29:39,280
Speaker 3: heavily invested you are and all of, that that is

1962
01:29:39,360 --> 01:29:41,880
Speaker 3: not good enough if you're The. Giants that's why their

1963
01:29:41,960 --> 01:29:44,960
Speaker 3: staff has gotten blown. Out, now at the same, time

1964
01:29:46,160 --> 01:29:48,880
Speaker 3: those guys individually are still disruptive and can still wreck a.

1965
01:29:48,960 --> 01:29:53,320
Speaker 3: Game SO i went AND i looked back at this

1966
01:29:53,400 --> 01:29:57,160
Speaker 3: and BECAUSE i remember watching remember The Raiders patriots game

1967
01:29:57,240 --> 01:30:03,280
Speaker 3: In Mexico city twenty, Seventeen, Yeah Mexico city. Game at

1968
01:30:03,400 --> 01:30:05,640
Speaker 3: right tackle for that, GAME i think that it was

1969
01:30:05,640 --> 01:30:07,560
Speaker 3: supposed to Be Marcus. CANNON i think he was the

1970
01:30:07,600 --> 01:30:10,160
Speaker 3: starter that. YEAR i can't remember exactly who they had

1971
01:30:10,200 --> 01:30:12,840
Speaker 3: at right. Tackle it's kind of blurred lines Between volmer And,

1972
01:30:13,000 --> 01:30:16,000
Speaker 3: cannon and when exactly those transitions. HAPPENED i think it

1973
01:30:16,120 --> 01:30:20,040
Speaker 3: Was cannon they needed to Start Lee Adrian. Waddle canon

1974
01:30:20,160 --> 01:30:23,759
Speaker 3: was hurt in that, game So Lee Adrian waddle started

1975
01:30:23,800 --> 01:30:27,080
Speaker 3: that game In Mexico city in twenty seventeen against Prime Khalil,

1976
01:30:27,160 --> 01:30:30,600
Speaker 3: mack who rushed over the right tackle for most of his.

1977
01:30:30,720 --> 01:30:33,280
Speaker 3: Career so we're talking about A hall Of fame, player

1978
01:30:34,840 --> 01:30:37,080
Speaker 3: and he guesses on how many sacks Le Adrian waddle

1979
01:30:37,160 --> 01:30:37,640
Speaker 3: gave up in that.

1980
01:30:37,720 --> 01:30:41,760
Speaker 1: Game non zero was the right tackle the, yeah so.

1981
01:30:42,040 --> 01:30:46,400
Speaker 2: Zero so that to, me not to testament To Adrian

1982
01:30:46,479 --> 01:30:47,880
Speaker 2: waddle like, good good effort by.

1983
01:30:47,960 --> 01:30:49,639
Speaker 1: Him is WHY i always say they need a guy

1984
01:30:49,760 --> 01:30:50,360
Speaker 1: like Le Adrien.

1985
01:30:50,439 --> 01:30:51,519
Speaker 2: Wattle good effort by.

1986
01:30:51,600 --> 01:30:53,439
Speaker 3: Him you guys laugh WHEN i bring him up like

1987
01:30:53,640 --> 01:30:56,840
Speaker 3: they're a valuable. Player good effort by. Him but at

1988
01:30:56,880 --> 01:31:01,840
Speaker 3: the same, time that's, coaching, right that's. McDaniel Dante scarnecia

1989
01:31:01,960 --> 01:31:04,360
Speaker 3: was still on the staff at that. Point they were

1990
01:31:04,439 --> 01:31:06,679
Speaker 3: able to piece it. Together that was just one, game

1991
01:31:06,760 --> 01:31:09,160
Speaker 3: but they were able to piece it. Together can The

1992
01:31:09,240 --> 01:31:12,160
Speaker 3: patriots piece together for you, know let's call it four

1993
01:31:12,240 --> 01:31:14,719
Speaker 3: or five weeks Of Darian lowe at left tackle instead

1994
01:31:14,760 --> 01:31:16,920
Speaker 3: Of Will, campbell that's the question that's.

1995
01:31:16,840 --> 01:31:18,280
Speaker 1: Gonna that's the next To Joe.

1996
01:31:18,320 --> 01:31:21,960
Speaker 3: Toney Probably watt was playing right that, day so it's

1997
01:31:21,960 --> 01:31:25,400
Speaker 3: next to shat good, player, Right, YEAH i, mean that's

1998
01:31:25,439 --> 01:31:26,080
Speaker 3: what they're gonna have to.

1999
01:31:26,160 --> 01:31:28,519
Speaker 2: Do that's what they're gonna have to. Do so a

2000
01:31:28,600 --> 01:31:29,799
Speaker 2: couple of things with This giants.

2001
01:31:29,840 --> 01:31:32,960
Speaker 1: Team Hey Derian low's coach Not Vderian Lowlador wills coaching

2002
01:31:33,000 --> 01:31:35,040
Speaker 1: high school fotball now for him all coach and run

2003
01:31:35,080 --> 01:31:37,080
Speaker 1: game coordinator At Bishop Dune Catholic.

2004
01:31:37,120 --> 01:31:40,560
Speaker 3: School so there's the difficult part about this matchup to.

2005
01:31:40,600 --> 01:31:43,960
Speaker 3: Me for The, giants AND i hate writing and talking

2006
01:31:44,000 --> 01:31:46,639
Speaker 3: about games like. This they have a brand new coaching.

2007
01:31:46,680 --> 01:31:48,639
Speaker 3: Staff they have an interim head coach it's only coached

2008
01:31:48,680 --> 01:31:51,920
Speaker 3: two games In Mike, kafka and then they just and

2009
01:31:52,000 --> 01:31:56,320
Speaker 3: they just hire Fired Shane bowen and Appointed Charlie bullen

2010
01:31:56,439 --> 01:31:59,680
Speaker 3: as their defensive coordinator slash play caller on. Defense there

2011
01:31:59,760 --> 01:32:03,680
Speaker 3: is a big element of unknown with. That last week

2012
01:32:03,720 --> 01:32:06,439
Speaker 3: Against detroit they ran true two trick plays for long.

2013
01:32:06,520 --> 01:32:10,479
Speaker 3: Touchdowns on, offense you don't really know how Much bulan's gonna,

2014
01:32:10,560 --> 01:32:12,840
Speaker 3: change you, know in a. Week you don't think he's

2015
01:32:12,840 --> 01:32:15,519
Speaker 3: gonna change a. Ton it's probably gonna be relatively the.

2016
01:32:15,560 --> 01:32:18,800
Speaker 3: Same but each play caller has different. Tendencies they like

2017
01:32:18,880 --> 01:32:22,240
Speaker 3: different things in different, situations like for, example.

2018
01:32:23,600 --> 01:32:23,920
Speaker 1: Third and.

2019
01:32:24,040 --> 01:32:26,920
Speaker 3: Five you, Know bowen might have all these tendencies on

2020
01:32:27,040 --> 01:32:29,840
Speaker 3: third and. Five Does bolan have the same tendencies on

2021
01:32:29,920 --> 01:32:31,760
Speaker 3: third and five As bowen? Does and when you face that,

2022
01:32:31,880 --> 01:32:33,120
Speaker 3: situation what are you looking?

2023
01:32:33,200 --> 01:32:33,680
Speaker 1: At what are you?

2024
01:32:33,800 --> 01:32:37,360
Speaker 3: Expecting like those different types of things gives this game

2025
01:32:37,439 --> 01:32:40,840
Speaker 3: a little bit of an, unknown.

2026
01:32:40,640 --> 01:32:42,240
Speaker 1: Right and it's tough because it's not like you can

2027
01:32:42,280 --> 01:32:44,080
Speaker 1: go back and, look he's never called plays. Before he's

2028
01:32:44,120 --> 01:32:46,200
Speaker 1: a long time linebackers, Coach so it's not like you

2029
01:32:46,200 --> 01:32:48,479
Speaker 1: can go all, right, well you, know we talked about

2030
01:32:48,520 --> 01:32:50,559
Speaker 1: this With mike McCoy and you were going way. Back

2031
01:32:50,600 --> 01:32:52,760
Speaker 1: but Like mike McCoy had coached, before had been a head,

2032
01:32:52,800 --> 01:32:55,200
Speaker 1: coach so you kind of go maybe study some of those.

2033
01:32:55,200 --> 01:32:57,439
Speaker 1: Tendencies you can't really do that. Here and the other

2034
01:32:57,520 --> 01:32:59,320
Speaker 1: thing is he AND i talked To David andrews about

2035
01:32:59,320 --> 01:33:01,479
Speaker 1: this this, week he is going to be more aggressive in. General,

2036
01:33:01,680 --> 01:33:04,240
Speaker 1: yeah so the issues The patriots had with The blitz last, week,

2037
01:33:04,280 --> 01:33:07,479
Speaker 1: like you're just gonna see a more aggressive, defense whether

2038
01:33:07,640 --> 01:33:09,800
Speaker 1: that's what you know The bengals put on tape last

2039
01:33:09,800 --> 01:33:12,479
Speaker 1: week or. Not he's trying to show up. Again never

2040
01:33:12,520 --> 01:33:14,240
Speaker 1: been a coordinator. Before here's a chance for him to

2041
01:33:14,280 --> 01:33:16,400
Speaker 1: maybe get on the league. Map and you come out

2042
01:33:16,479 --> 01:33:19,639
Speaker 1: first game as an INTERIM dc and you shut Down Drake,

2043
01:33:19,720 --> 01:33:20,840
Speaker 1: may you might get some.

2044
01:33:20,960 --> 01:33:24,439
Speaker 3: Calls, Yeah so he we don't really know What Charlie

2045
01:33:24,479 --> 01:33:27,360
Speaker 3: bullen's defense is gonna look. Like what we can go

2046
01:33:27,520 --> 01:33:30,080
Speaker 3: off of is what The giants have been AND i,

2047
01:33:30,240 --> 01:33:32,160
Speaker 3: AGAIN i they're not going to reinvent the wheel in a,

2048
01:33:32,200 --> 01:33:33,639
Speaker 3: week so it's gonna be somewhat.

2049
01:33:33,680 --> 01:33:34,040
Speaker 1: Similar.

2050
01:33:34,560 --> 01:33:36,640
Speaker 3: Uh they play a lot of man. Coverage they're one

2051
01:33:36,640 --> 01:33:38,920
Speaker 3: of the highest rates of man coverage in the ENTIRE

2052
01:33:39,160 --> 01:33:39,640
Speaker 3: nfl this.

2053
01:33:39,800 --> 01:33:39,960
Speaker 1: Year.

2054
01:33:40,520 --> 01:33:43,120
Speaker 2: Uh they play a lot of five man pass. Rush

2055
01:33:43,400 --> 01:33:44,160
Speaker 2: my guess is that.

2056
01:33:44,240 --> 01:33:46,559
Speaker 3: You're gonna see more three and four man pass rush

2057
01:33:46,640 --> 01:33:49,639
Speaker 3: with a spy On Drake may in this. Game Maybe

2058
01:33:49,680 --> 01:33:51,400
Speaker 3: Abdull carter spying him a little.

2059
01:33:51,400 --> 01:33:51,519
Speaker 1: Bit.

2060
01:33:51,960 --> 01:33:54,040
Speaker 2: Uh it was A Abdul carter do that in college

2061
01:33:54,080 --> 01:33:55,320
Speaker 2: and he's, like he's awesome at.

2062
01:33:55,360 --> 01:33:56,559
Speaker 1: That he's a really good. SPY.

2063
01:33:57,160 --> 01:33:59,160
Speaker 3: H so maybe it hits him that's gonna be the.

2064
01:33:59,240 --> 01:34:02,240
Speaker 3: Spy this pass rush worries me a little.

2065
01:34:02,240 --> 01:34:02,639
Speaker 1: Bit it's.

2066
01:34:02,720 --> 01:34:06,080
Speaker 3: Legit they get after the. Quarterback the numbers might not

2067
01:34:06,160 --> 01:34:08,599
Speaker 3: bear it, out but on paper you can see how

2068
01:34:08,640 --> 01:34:11,519
Speaker 3: they can be. Dangerous the other element of this game

2069
01:34:12,040 --> 01:34:15,160
Speaker 3: that we are kind of unsure about is who's going

2070
01:34:15,200 --> 01:34:18,000
Speaker 3: to pay quarterback for The. Giants so we have a

2071
01:34:18,040 --> 01:34:20,840
Speaker 3: new defensive play caller we have an interim head, coach

2072
01:34:21,240 --> 01:34:24,240
Speaker 3: and we don't know exactly On wednesday at you, know eleven,

2073
01:34:24,360 --> 01:34:27,040
Speaker 3: thirty who's going to play quarterback for The giants On Monday.

2074
01:34:27,120 --> 01:34:30,439
Speaker 3: Night it definitely sounds like it's trending Towards Jackson's dart

2075
01:34:30,520 --> 01:34:35,080
Speaker 3: being back in this. Game BUT i will add it's,

2076
01:34:35,120 --> 01:34:37,360
Speaker 3: there but It's giants bye week next week as, well

2077
01:34:38,320 --> 01:34:40,640
Speaker 3: so do you if he's kind of like if he

2078
01:34:40,720 --> 01:34:42,960
Speaker 3: clears protocol late in the, week, like do you throw

2079
01:34:43,040 --> 01:34:45,360
Speaker 3: him in there on A monday night game or do

2080
01:34:45,479 --> 01:34:48,040
Speaker 3: you just take the bye week reset and bring him

2081
01:34:48,080 --> 01:34:50,240
Speaker 3: back for the last four. Games he's going to come

2082
01:34:50,280 --> 01:34:52,400
Speaker 3: back because he needs the. Reps he's a rookie quarterback

2083
01:34:52,439 --> 01:34:54,960
Speaker 3: and he needs the, Reps but do you know run

2084
01:34:55,080 --> 01:34:58,360
Speaker 3: him out? There so to, speak with all this concussion,

2085
01:34:58,439 --> 01:35:00,479
Speaker 3: nonsense when you have that bye weekly and you're not

2086
01:35:00,560 --> 01:35:03,200
Speaker 3: really playing for anything in terms of, STANDINGS i don't.

2087
01:35:03,240 --> 01:35:06,200
Speaker 3: KNOW i would much rather Play Jameis, Winston there's no

2088
01:35:06,360 --> 01:35:09,240
Speaker 3: doubt about. It i'd much rather Play Jameis. Winston but

2089
01:35:09,360 --> 01:35:12,000
Speaker 3: it does sound like it's trending towards, it but potentially Being.

2090
01:35:12,120 --> 01:35:14,600
Speaker 1: Dart, YEAH i, mean it's it's. Tricky you wanted to

2091
01:35:14,600 --> 01:35:16,720
Speaker 1: get the. Experience this is good prime time on the.

2092
01:35:16,800 --> 01:35:18,880
Speaker 1: Road you get him a chance that. Environment but he's

2093
01:35:18,920 --> 01:35:21,599
Speaker 1: had multiple concussion issues this, year so that's a tricky. One,

2094
01:35:21,760 --> 01:35:22,080
Speaker 1: yeah it.

2095
01:35:22,240 --> 01:35:24,200
Speaker 3: Is and you know a couple of things With, Dart

2096
01:35:25,000 --> 01:35:30,439
Speaker 3: he's particularly been good on extended plays and design quarterback.

2097
01:35:30,520 --> 01:35:32,679
Speaker 2: Run but are you really going to run him coming

2098
01:35:32,720 --> 01:35:34,560
Speaker 2: off a. Concussion but that's the.

2099
01:35:34,640 --> 01:35:36,600
Speaker 1: Thing you don't play him if you can't run the

2100
01:35:36,640 --> 01:35:37,400
Speaker 1: full compliment of.

2101
01:35:37,439 --> 01:35:40,080
Speaker 3: Place so it's very different, offenses is WHY i bring it, up,

2102
01:35:40,160 --> 01:35:43,200
Speaker 3: Right so With Jackson dart, there AND i wouldn't say

2103
01:35:43,200 --> 01:35:46,360
Speaker 3: they're they're completely copying it Because Lane kiffen does some creative,

2104
01:35:46,400 --> 01:35:49,360
Speaker 3: things but they're they're putting him in the shotgun spread

2105
01:35:50,200 --> 01:35:53,360
Speaker 3: all the, Time like it's like seventy five percent shotgun

2106
01:35:53,479 --> 01:35:55,640
Speaker 3: rate When jackson darts in the, game because that's what

2107
01:35:55,720 --> 01:35:57,040
Speaker 3: he did at all miss that's what he did in,

2108
01:35:57,120 --> 01:36:00,599
Speaker 3: college that's what he's comfortable. Doing With jameis Wins In Russell,

2109
01:36:00,640 --> 01:36:03,360
Speaker 3: wilson they've been an under center heavy. Offense they've actually

2110
01:36:03,400 --> 01:36:06,320
Speaker 3: been the total. Opposite so this is totally uh this

2111
01:36:06,560 --> 01:36:10,440
Speaker 3: in this, instance you are kind of preparing for two different. Offenses,

2112
01:36:10,640 --> 01:36:12,800
Speaker 3: Right it's not like last, week, right so it is

2113
01:36:13,360 --> 01:36:15,400
Speaker 3: a little bit more of a. Factor you, Know dart

2114
01:36:15,439 --> 01:36:19,720
Speaker 3: has been a gun run quarterback RPOs design quarterback, run,

2115
01:36:20,240 --> 01:36:24,080
Speaker 3: uh drop back pass from the. Gun Jameis winston's been

2116
01:36:24,720 --> 01:36:27,040
Speaker 3: under center bombs away As James winston.

2117
01:36:27,080 --> 01:36:28,719
Speaker 2: Does so it's a big.

2118
01:36:28,600 --> 01:36:29,680
Speaker 1: Different touchdown passes From.

2119
01:36:29,680 --> 01:36:34,120
Speaker 3: Gunnroshewski, yeah double plus double, passes trick, plays crazy, Nonsense.

2120
01:36:33,800 --> 01:36:34,360
Speaker 1: How awesome was?

2121
01:36:34,439 --> 01:36:39,599
Speaker 2: That SO i it'd be interesting to, see uh What kafka,

2122
01:36:40,360 --> 01:36:41,240
Speaker 2: says what they?

2123
01:36:41,360 --> 01:36:45,320
Speaker 3: Do you, know if he practices without a red non

2124
01:36:45,439 --> 01:36:47,920
Speaker 3: contact and in full you know he's, cleared.

2125
01:36:47,880 --> 01:36:49,720
Speaker 1: Right and they're also is the thing of, like hey

2126
01:36:49,760 --> 01:36:51,960
Speaker 1: he's our starting. Quarterback if he can, play he's gonna.

2127
01:36:51,960 --> 01:36:53,880
Speaker 1: Play and just the message that that. Sense you got

2128
01:36:53,960 --> 01:36:56,719
Speaker 1: no thoughts on gun throwing a touchdow Past James, Winson,

2129
01:36:56,800 --> 01:37:00,639
Speaker 1: no because it didn't work and it. Works jamis apparently

2130
01:37:00,720 --> 01:37:01,760
Speaker 1: has excellent ball.

2131
01:37:01,800 --> 01:37:04,519
Speaker 2: Skills, yeah but it like shouldn't have, worked but it.

2132
01:37:04,600 --> 01:37:07,920
Speaker 1: Did they have a gutter navigating the pocket.

2133
01:37:07,640 --> 01:37:10,519
Speaker 3: And neither one of them should have, worked like the

2134
01:37:10,600 --> 01:37:13,920
Speaker 3: first one that they, ran the double pass That winston,

2135
01:37:13,960 --> 01:37:15,640
Speaker 3: actually you know they threw it back To, winston And

2136
01:37:15,680 --> 01:37:18,920
Speaker 3: winston threw it To Wandell. Robinson Wandell robinson was opened

2137
01:37:18,920 --> 01:37:22,000
Speaker 3: for like five, minutes and it took so long to

2138
01:37:22,280 --> 01:37:25,120
Speaker 3: execute the hand off fake and then the throwback To

2139
01:37:25,200 --> 01:37:28,800
Speaker 3: winston that The lions actually almost broke up the pass

2140
01:37:29,240 --> 01:37:32,160
Speaker 3: in the end zone To Wandell, robinson even Though Wandell,

2141
01:37:32,240 --> 01:37:33,920
Speaker 3: robinson if you look at the all twenty two was

2142
01:37:34,000 --> 01:37:37,160
Speaker 3: open the entire play until the catch point and then

2143
01:37:37,200 --> 01:37:39,960
Speaker 3: it's like it's a traffic area at the catch. Point

2144
01:37:40,479 --> 01:37:43,360
Speaker 3: and then the one to the Gunner roschewsky touchdown, Pass

2145
01:37:43,880 --> 01:37:46,360
Speaker 3: WINSTON'S i don't know how he caught the ball and

2146
01:37:46,439 --> 01:37:47,479
Speaker 3: THEN i don't know how he broke.

2147
01:37:47,360 --> 01:37:49,760
Speaker 1: The tackle on the. Ends because He's Jameis, winston he.

2148
01:37:49,800 --> 01:37:52,040
Speaker 2: Does it's. Crazy apparently he's like an elite tight.

2149
01:37:52,160 --> 01:37:54,200
Speaker 3: End if It's Jameis winston On monday, night he's going

2150
01:37:54,240 --> 01:37:55,840
Speaker 3: to give you two or three chances to pick off

2151
01:37:55,880 --> 01:37:57,479
Speaker 3: passes and you got to take advantage like.

2152
01:37:57,560 --> 01:37:59,639
Speaker 1: That that's The James Cover Jameis winston.

2153
01:37:59,640 --> 01:38:00,719
Speaker 2: Game In Jameis.

2154
01:38:00,760 --> 01:38:03,479
Speaker 3: Winston, uh you know in the open we, say you,

2155
01:38:03,560 --> 01:38:06,360
Speaker 3: know no risk, it no. Biscuit that Is Jameis. Winston

2156
01:38:06,439 --> 01:38:09,080
Speaker 3: that was birth From Jameis. Winston this guy has a

2157
01:38:09,160 --> 01:38:12,200
Speaker 3: high turn turnover worthy play rate and a high big.

2158
01:38:12,280 --> 01:38:16,240
Speaker 3: Time he's, thirty mister thirty. Thirty, like that's that's the

2159
01:38:16,280 --> 01:38:17,439
Speaker 3: GUY i want to play On Monday.

2160
01:38:17,479 --> 01:38:20,120
Speaker 1: Night Jamis, Okay SO i was about to Say Jameis

2161
01:38:20,160 --> 01:38:22,639
Speaker 1: winston is the embodiment of fun chaos.

2162
01:38:22,720 --> 01:38:26,280
Speaker 3: FOOTBALL i would much rague. Chaos, Alright, yeah that's Why

2163
01:38:26,280 --> 01:38:28,280
Speaker 3: i'd much rather play him IF i was The. PATRIOTS

2164
01:38:28,600 --> 01:38:31,720
Speaker 3: i Think dart's got SOMETHING i was impressed, watching but.

2165
01:38:31,880 --> 01:38:34,400
Speaker 1: IT'S i said in the. Draft my thing On dart was,

2166
01:38:34,520 --> 01:38:36,720
Speaker 1: LIKE i don't love, him BUT i think in the

2167
01:38:36,880 --> 01:38:40,519
Speaker 1: right situation it makes sense and The giants can build

2168
01:38:40,560 --> 01:38:42,920
Speaker 1: up that offensive line a little. Bit Molik neighbors comes

2169
01:38:42,960 --> 01:38:45,280
Speaker 1: back fully, Healthy LIKE i actually do like that spot

2170
01:38:45,360 --> 01:38:46,080
Speaker 1: for HIM i.

2171
01:38:46,160 --> 01:38:48,000
Speaker 3: HAD i can kind of see it With, dart And

2172
01:38:48,080 --> 01:38:50,840
Speaker 3: i'll give The giants the coach, Though i'll give him

2173
01:38:50,840 --> 01:38:53,920
Speaker 3: a little bit of. Credit their offense has not gone

2174
01:38:53,960 --> 01:38:56,960
Speaker 3: in the, tank despite the fact that they've played three different.

2175
01:38:57,040 --> 01:39:01,040
Speaker 3: Quarterbacks Molik neighbors is out for the. Season they Fired Brian.

2176
01:39:01,120 --> 01:39:02,920
Speaker 3: Dable they have an interim head coach and they're like

2177
01:39:03,040 --> 01:39:04,240
Speaker 3: eighteenth and Dvo.

2178
01:39:04,040 --> 01:39:06,360
Speaker 1: At which in like a hot coaching name for a. While.

2179
01:39:07,080 --> 01:39:10,680
Speaker 1: Yep was he the ORIGINAL qb coach For. MAHOMES i

2180
01:39:10,760 --> 01:39:11,559
Speaker 1: know he was In Kansas city.

2181
01:39:11,600 --> 01:39:14,240
Speaker 2: One he, was he was one of THE qb. COACHES

2182
01:39:14,280 --> 01:39:14,519
Speaker 2: i don't.

2183
01:39:14,520 --> 01:39:17,360
Speaker 1: Know he was the quarterbacks coach eighteen through twenty. One

2184
01:39:17,400 --> 01:39:19,280
Speaker 1: he was the passing game coordinator in twenty and twenty.

2185
01:39:19,320 --> 01:39:22,080
Speaker 3: One so you say they need to get the right

2186
01:39:22,120 --> 01:39:24,519
Speaker 3: coach in, There i'm not, now they need to win

2187
01:39:24,600 --> 01:39:27,920
Speaker 3: some games down the, stretch. Right kavka has been interviewed

2188
01:39:28,800 --> 01:39:31,200
Speaker 3: for head coaching jobs in the. Past he's kind of

2189
01:39:31,240 --> 01:39:34,360
Speaker 3: a hot. Name he's a tight pants. Guy he's a former, player,

2190
01:39:34,479 --> 01:39:37,519
Speaker 3: quarterback you, know former oc you, know like he's got

2191
01:39:37,560 --> 01:39:39,680
Speaker 3: all that going, on, Right like he's got that is

2192
01:39:39,760 --> 01:39:42,479
Speaker 3: that's it. Now dable didn't, play but they hired that

2193
01:39:42,600 --> 01:39:44,960
Speaker 3: kind of guy With, Dable so maybe they want to

2194
01:39:45,000 --> 01:39:49,040
Speaker 3: completely move away from. That but If kavka had wins

2195
01:39:49,080 --> 01:39:52,439
Speaker 3: some games here down the stretch Like Darth, nion there is.

2196
01:39:52,400 --> 01:39:52,680
Speaker 4: Going to be.

2197
01:39:52,760 --> 01:39:56,000
Speaker 1: Somewhere. Yeah he also he said he read off his,

2198
01:39:56,080 --> 01:39:57,840
Speaker 1: resume what do you know about the twenty ten out back?

2199
01:39:57,920 --> 01:39:58,080
Speaker 9: Ball?

2200
01:39:58,160 --> 01:39:59,000
Speaker 2: Oh, god let's not do.

2201
01:39:59,120 --> 01:40:01,080
Speaker 1: This, NO i gotta give you stat, line real, quick go.

2202
01:40:01,120 --> 01:40:03,840
Speaker 1: Ahead and the twenty ten Out Back bowl Against, Auburn Mike,

2203
01:40:03,920 --> 01:40:08,519
Speaker 1: coffins quarterback For, northwestern went forty seven for seventy. Eight,

2204
01:40:08,840 --> 01:40:10,880
Speaker 1: yeah you want to talk about no risk and no.

2205
01:40:10,920 --> 01:40:13,840
Speaker 1: Biskit forty seven for seventy, eight five hundred and thirty two,

2206
01:40:13,960 --> 01:40:18,320
Speaker 1: yards four, touchdowns five. Picks also recorded twenty carries for

2207
01:40:18,479 --> 01:40:22,120
Speaker 1: thirty yards in a. Touchdown good. Numbers that's the guy

2208
01:40:22,120 --> 01:40:24,680
Speaker 1: who should be Coaching jamis wit is? It you know

2209
01:40:24,720 --> 01:40:27,080
Speaker 1: you didn't listen to anything as no four, touchdowns five.

2210
01:40:27,120 --> 01:40:29,280
Speaker 2: Picks i'll take, that no, risk no best.

2211
01:40:29,360 --> 01:40:29,600
Speaker 4: Hit this.

2212
01:40:29,720 --> 01:40:30,760
Speaker 1: Wild they.

2213
01:40:32,400 --> 01:40:34,599
Speaker 3: The giants, OFFENSE i give them some. Credit the defense

2214
01:40:34,680 --> 01:40:40,519
Speaker 3: is completely. Underperformed in. Stinks their offense, though like they should,

2215
01:40:40,560 --> 01:40:43,400
Speaker 3: stink and they kind of are, middling WHICH i give

2216
01:40:43,439 --> 01:40:47,120
Speaker 3: them credit for for keeping it. Together there one last

2217
01:40:47,160 --> 01:40:47,400
Speaker 3: thing On.

2218
01:40:47,520 --> 01:40:50,320
Speaker 1: Dart, Also patriots Legend Jeremy everard caught six passes for

2219
01:40:50,400 --> 01:40:51,280
Speaker 1: sixty four yards in that.

2220
01:40:51,320 --> 01:40:53,960
Speaker 3: Game, okay one last thing On dart and then we

2221
01:40:54,040 --> 01:40:57,760
Speaker 3: have a couple more calls and. Stuff the, splits the

2222
01:40:57,880 --> 01:41:01,040
Speaker 3: man zone splits are. Crazy he is much worse against

2223
01:41:01,080 --> 01:41:05,520
Speaker 3: man coverage for whatever, reason much. Worse like it's like, crazy.

2224
01:41:05,640 --> 01:41:08,600
Speaker 1: Which is weird because to, run so you'd think he'd you,

2225
01:41:08,680 --> 01:41:11,200
Speaker 1: know take advantage of. That, yeah it is.

2226
01:41:11,880 --> 01:41:13,840
Speaker 3: INTERESTING i thought it would be the opposite as. Well

2227
01:41:14,360 --> 01:41:17,120
Speaker 3: usually young quarterbacks have difficult time with zone because you

2228
01:41:17,200 --> 01:41:19,960
Speaker 3: have to read out zone and it's more about reads

2229
01:41:20,000 --> 01:41:22,280
Speaker 3: and scheme and finding the voids and all that kind

2230
01:41:22,320 --> 01:41:24,760
Speaker 3: of stuff man to manage just like pick a match

2231
01:41:24,840 --> 01:41:27,760
Speaker 3: up and throw at, it. Right so normally young quarterbacks that's,

2232
01:41:27,800 --> 01:41:30,479
Speaker 3: more that's simpler for, them that's easier for. Them H

2233
01:41:30,720 --> 01:41:33,519
Speaker 3: Wandell robinson's a good man beating, receivers kind of like

2234
01:41:33,560 --> 01:41:36,640
Speaker 3: their Pop. Douglas BUT i wonder if maybe you, know

2235
01:41:36,760 --> 01:41:39,240
Speaker 3: the lack of weaponry shows up, there you, know no.

2236
01:41:39,360 --> 01:41:44,080
Speaker 1: Neighbors slayton's, Fine, YEAH i do wonder Like robinson's the

2237
01:41:44,240 --> 01:41:47,760
Speaker 1: kinder receiver Like TREMARY dk And, tennessee like that prototype

2238
01:41:47,800 --> 01:41:49,040
Speaker 1: of receiver has given them.

2239
01:41:49,120 --> 01:41:54,040
Speaker 3: Trouble, Yeah Marcus jones should be On Wandel. Robinson but you,

2240
01:41:54,120 --> 01:41:56,200
Speaker 3: know that's a speed on speed matchup in the. Slot

2241
01:41:56,840 --> 01:42:00,439
Speaker 3: so hopefully that that goes The patriots way On. Sunday

2242
01:42:00,479 --> 01:42:02,240
Speaker 3: BUT i are A. Monday excuse. ME i was really

2243
01:42:02,320 --> 01:42:07,280
Speaker 3: shocked that how bad darts numbers are against man compared

2244
01:42:07,320 --> 01:42:09,679
Speaker 3: to his. Own SO i expect man with a spy

2245
01:42:10,040 --> 01:42:12,680
Speaker 3: on third down in this game from The patriots of

2246
01:42:12,760 --> 01:42:14,040
Speaker 3: dart plays in the.

2247
01:42:14,160 --> 01:42:15,519
Speaker 1: GAME i think that's about.

2248
01:42:15,560 --> 01:42:19,120
Speaker 3: It on The, giants their run defense is historically. Bad

2249
01:42:19,720 --> 01:42:22,080
Speaker 3: this is a weakness on weakness matchup in that. Regard

2250
01:42:22,360 --> 01:42:25,000
Speaker 3: patriots rush offense has not been. Good they're thirtieth in

2251
01:42:25,000 --> 01:42:27,680
Speaker 3: the league AND epa as a run, offense and then

2252
01:42:27,720 --> 01:42:29,479
Speaker 3: The giants are thirty second in the league and pretty

2253
01:42:29,560 --> 01:42:33,320
Speaker 3: much every statistical category as a run defense and, theory

2254
01:42:33,400 --> 01:42:35,680
Speaker 3: your run offense has been a little bit better than

2255
01:42:35,720 --> 01:42:38,960
Speaker 3: their defense has been stopping the. Run last, Week Jamior

2256
01:42:39,000 --> 01:42:41,920
Speaker 3: gibbs had like what two twenty five or something like.

2257
01:42:42,000 --> 01:42:43,320
Speaker 1: THAT a couple of big.

2258
01:42:43,439 --> 01:42:46,719
Speaker 3: Runs you, know downhill runs have really given them. Problems

2259
01:42:47,040 --> 01:42:48,960
Speaker 3: here's a good staff for you before we wrap it

2260
01:42:49,080 --> 01:42:54,639
Speaker 3: up on man gap. Schemes so just like downhill duo

2261
01:42:55,439 --> 01:43:01,080
Speaker 3: lead you know, power The giants are giving up seven

2262
01:43:01,400 --> 01:43:06,719
Speaker 3: point nine yards of carry the next the next closest,

2263
01:43:06,760 --> 01:43:08,800
Speaker 3: team the thirty first team in the.

2264
01:43:08,840 --> 01:43:09,479
Speaker 2: League you're gonna like.

2265
01:43:09,560 --> 01:43:11,720
Speaker 3: This who want to guess who the thirty first team

2266
01:43:11,720 --> 01:43:14,759
Speaker 3: in the league. Is it's stopping it stopping downhill. Tradition,

2267
01:43:15,320 --> 01:43:21,639
Speaker 3: yeah traditional downhill, runs gap. Schemes Buffalo, bills The Buffalo, bills,

2268
01:43:22,840 --> 01:43:26,160
Speaker 3: right thirty first The Buffalo, bills so seven point nine

2269
01:43:26,240 --> 01:43:29,120
Speaker 3: yards for The. Giants The Buffalo bills are thirty first.

2270
01:43:29,160 --> 01:43:33,080
Speaker 3: Four it's a two yard. Difference, wow it's a two

2271
01:43:33,200 --> 01:43:35,439
Speaker 3: yard difference like. That you don't see that a whole.

2272
01:43:35,479 --> 01:43:37,800
Speaker 3: Lot so if you're looking for The patriots to run

2273
01:43:37,880 --> 01:43:40,840
Speaker 3: the ball against a historically bad run, defense even With

2274
01:43:41,000 --> 01:43:43,680
Speaker 3: Dexter lawrence, inside they cannot stop the run down the

2275
01:43:43,720 --> 01:43:46,479
Speaker 3: middle of the. Field And Jamior gibbs just torched, them

2276
01:43:46,840 --> 01:43:49,920
Speaker 3: torched them on those types of. Runs so there you have.

2277
01:43:50,080 --> 01:43:52,479
Speaker 3: It all, Right we're gonna let you guys wrap it

2278
01:43:52,560 --> 01:43:53,000
Speaker 3: up here for.

2279
01:43:53,200 --> 01:43:57,599
Speaker 1: Us tony is In. Canada what's, Up? Tony, hi.

2280
01:43:57,760 --> 01:44:00,800
Speaker 11: Guys, Yeah i'm just. SORRY i just this show, now

2281
01:44:01,439 --> 01:44:04,040
Speaker 11: So i'm just catching a late apologies IF i asked

2282
01:44:04,640 --> 01:44:07,960
Speaker 11: something you guys have already. Discussed but looking at the big,

2283
01:44:08,160 --> 01:44:11,240
Speaker 11: PICTURE i don't know if we're going to get THE

2284
01:44:11,320 --> 01:44:14,760
Speaker 11: afc overall and the number one by BUT i think

2285
01:44:14,800 --> 01:44:19,200
Speaker 11: THE Afc east is definitely. Realistic SO i think, QUESTION

2286
01:44:19,280 --> 01:44:22,080
Speaker 11: i want to ask you guys real, quick which games

2287
01:44:22,200 --> 01:44:24,720
Speaker 11: do you think we have to win in order to

2288
01:44:24,800 --> 01:44:25,360
Speaker 11: finish in THE.

2289
01:44:25,400 --> 01:44:29,200
Speaker 12: Afc east The, bills they, have The paths and The

2290
01:44:29,320 --> 01:44:32,560
Speaker 12: eagles as their hardest match. Up for, us it's The

2291
01:44:32,640 --> 01:44:35,720
Speaker 12: bills And. Ravens And i'll get off the line here right.

2292
01:44:35,720 --> 01:44:37,960
Speaker 12: Away but last, question real, quick if you can answer

2293
01:44:38,880 --> 01:44:41,160
Speaker 12: and please humor, Me batman Or?

2294
01:44:41,240 --> 01:44:42,840
Speaker 11: Superman that's.

2295
01:44:42,880 --> 01:44:43,880
Speaker 1: All thank, Thanks.

2296
01:44:43,960 --> 01:44:48,120
Speaker 3: Tony i'm A batman guy, Person Batman Dark knight. TRILOGY

2297
01:44:48,560 --> 01:44:50,519
Speaker 3: i even liked the new one with what's his Name?

2298
01:44:50,560 --> 01:44:53,960
Speaker 3: PATTINSON i haven't seen That one's pretty. Good, yeah but

2299
01:44:54,120 --> 01:44:55,280
Speaker 3: The New superman was good.

2300
01:44:55,320 --> 01:44:57,599
Speaker 1: TOO i like. It i'm not a big like superhero movie,

2301
01:44:57,640 --> 01:44:59,240
Speaker 1: guy BUT i mean The Dark knight movies.

2302
01:44:59,240 --> 01:45:03,720
Speaker 3: Are The New superman is pretty. Solid you, know he

2303
01:45:03,800 --> 01:45:06,080
Speaker 3: has a, dog which obviously gives him brownie points in my.

2304
01:45:06,200 --> 01:45:09,479
Speaker 3: Mind in terms of THE, afcas you, know, LOOK i

2305
01:45:09,560 --> 01:45:11,840
Speaker 3: would love to see The patriots beat The bills and

2306
01:45:11,880 --> 01:45:14,400
Speaker 3: The ravens too and really make a statement in those.

2307
01:45:14,479 --> 01:45:18,240
Speaker 3: Games but in, actuality they really just need to beat The,

2308
01:45:18,320 --> 01:45:19,640
Speaker 3: giants The, jets and The.

2309
01:45:19,680 --> 01:45:21,800
Speaker 1: Dolphins if they clean up on that they should Be,

2310
01:45:21,880 --> 01:45:23,880
Speaker 1: okay they're gonna. Win they're gonna be at thirteen, wins.

2311
01:45:24,000 --> 01:45:25,880
Speaker 1: Right if they can just get one of the two

2312
01:45:25,960 --> 01:45:27,479
Speaker 1: between The bills and The, ravens they're being great.

2313
01:45:27,520 --> 01:45:29,559
Speaker 2: Shape, YEAH i mean that would be like dream.

2314
01:45:29,640 --> 01:45:34,360
Speaker 3: SCENARIO i do think that there's a, possibility AND i

2315
01:45:34,479 --> 01:45:38,240
Speaker 3: was thinking about this that if they beat The bills

2316
01:45:38,920 --> 01:45:42,599
Speaker 3: and that's a division clincher and t shirt the letdown

2317
01:45:42,640 --> 01:45:46,559
Speaker 3: Against buffalo or Against, Baltimore excuse me is staring at,

2318
01:45:46,640 --> 01:45:48,960
Speaker 3: You so maybe you, KNOW i think it'd probably be

2319
01:45:49,080 --> 01:45:51,600
Speaker 3: more likely that they off the by get up For,

2320
01:45:51,720 --> 01:45:55,479
Speaker 3: buffalo win the, division and then they probably go To

2321
01:45:55,600 --> 01:45:58,040
Speaker 3: baltimore and maybe they have a little bit of a letdown.

2322
01:45:58,080 --> 01:46:00,519
Speaker 1: Game AND i also wonder if you, know we're gonna

2323
01:46:00,520 --> 01:46:01,960
Speaker 1: pick all these games and we get to the end

2324
01:46:01,960 --> 01:46:03,680
Speaker 1: of the year and maybe That miami game doesn't mean.

2325
01:46:03,720 --> 01:46:08,200
Speaker 3: Anything, yeah, Yeah but if they beat The, giants The,

2326
01:46:08,280 --> 01:46:10,040
Speaker 3: jets and The, dolphins and they take care of business

2327
01:46:10,080 --> 01:46:12,120
Speaker 3: against the teams they should, beat they're going to be

2328
01:46:12,160 --> 01:46:15,840
Speaker 3: at thirteen and four at worst case, scenario, right and

2329
01:46:16,080 --> 01:46:18,720
Speaker 3: that should easily win the division and maybe even so.

2330
01:46:19,080 --> 01:46:22,439
Speaker 1: Well, actually if they do, That so if they can

2331
01:46:22,600 --> 01:46:26,200
Speaker 1: just beat to your, point just beat the teams they, Should, Jets, Giants. Dolphins,

2332
01:46:26,360 --> 01:46:31,479
Speaker 1: yeah one loss from The bills would would give them the.

2333
01:46:31,520 --> 01:46:34,679
Speaker 1: Division so you would just need The bills to lose To, Philly,

2334
01:46:35,360 --> 01:46:39,840
Speaker 1: Cincinnati cincinnati With, burrow, right With, Burrow, pittsburgh maybe that's At.

2335
01:46:39,880 --> 01:46:42,640
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh they're probably not gonna lose to The browns Or.

2336
01:46:42,680 --> 01:46:45,000
Speaker 3: Jets but, yeah, NO i, mean you don't even necessarily

2337
01:46:45,080 --> 01:46:46,400
Speaker 3: need to beat The. Bills if you take care of,

2338
01:46:46,439 --> 01:46:48,760
Speaker 3: business you can have, to but it's, yeah it'd be,

2339
01:46:48,840 --> 01:46:51,519
Speaker 3: nice all, right last, Call, eldred wrap us.

2340
01:46:51,600 --> 01:46:52,000
Speaker 1: Up what's, Up?

2341
01:46:52,040 --> 01:46:54,800
Speaker 13: Beldrid, Hey so let's tell y'all are doing.

2342
01:46:54,840 --> 01:46:55,200
Speaker 1: Today they?

2343
01:46:55,320 --> 01:46:58,839
Speaker 13: Good, hey Bart, ALEX i love you on The mother podcast,

2344
01:46:58,960 --> 01:47:03,000
Speaker 13: man love of most of the. Time but What i'm

2345
01:47:03,040 --> 01:47:06,040
Speaker 13: worrying about, is LIKE i said that we had a

2346
01:47:06,439 --> 01:47:09,400
Speaker 13: historic bad. Defense we couldn't run against that we didn't

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01:47:09,400 --> 01:47:10,840
Speaker 13: play it against a couple of, times and we still,

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01:47:10,880 --> 01:47:14,920
Speaker 13: get you, know not that many. Yards but one day Of,

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01:47:15,080 --> 01:47:17,960
Speaker 13: ROBINSON i don't know If Marcus jones to run with,

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01:47:18,040 --> 01:47:20,080
Speaker 13: him cause that food is past BECAUSE i saw, him you,

2351
01:47:20,160 --> 01:47:23,160
Speaker 13: know saw the game again last, night you, know on

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01:47:23,280 --> 01:47:26,680
Speaker 13: THE Nfl. Network, Yeah i'm Like, darren you, know And

2353
01:47:27,240 --> 01:47:30,360
Speaker 13: evan Be kevin about going Against, kevil about going Against.

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01:47:30,360 --> 01:47:32,200
Speaker 13: WINSTON i know he might give you something but that

2355
01:47:32,400 --> 01:47:35,120
Speaker 13: but that guy can't throw and he is, Accurate so

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01:47:35,280 --> 01:47:37,840
Speaker 13: you gotta Be kevin With. Jacksville But i'm hoping we

2357
01:47:37,960 --> 01:47:41,920
Speaker 13: pull it. Off i'm thinking twenty one BECAUSE i think

2358
01:47:41,920 --> 01:47:43,960
Speaker 13: they're gonna put some points on the. Board, YEAH i

2359
01:47:44,040 --> 01:47:45,599
Speaker 13: don't know how office line gonna.

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01:47:45,600 --> 01:47:47,160
Speaker 1: Be, YEAH i like that.

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01:47:47,280 --> 01:47:49,360
Speaker 3: Prediction eligent dame for the. Call, Yeah i'm a Big

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01:47:49,400 --> 01:47:52,080
Speaker 3: Wandell robinson. Fan but his game is a lot Like Pop.

2363
01:47:52,120 --> 01:47:55,679
Speaker 3: Douglas's he's a speed. Slot he's not a like jitterbug.

2364
01:47:55,720 --> 01:47:58,560
Speaker 3: Slide he's on an underneath. Slot they targeted him a

2365
01:47:58,600 --> 01:48:01,800
Speaker 3: lot on like crossers and deep overs and you, know

2366
01:48:01,960 --> 01:48:05,000
Speaker 3: vertical routes out of the slot and his like a

2367
01:48:05,120 --> 01:48:07,240
Speaker 3: dots like over ten like you, know like he's a

2368
01:48:07,360 --> 01:48:10,040
Speaker 3: down the field receiver with a lot of, speed a

2369
01:48:10,120 --> 01:48:13,680
Speaker 3: lot Like. Pop Pop douglas is playing in this role

2370
01:48:13,760 --> 01:48:17,559
Speaker 3: for The patriots. Now uh he's their leading. Receiver he's

2371
01:48:17,600 --> 01:48:21,320
Speaker 3: been their best player on offense without, neighbors and he's

2372
01:48:21,320 --> 01:48:21,559
Speaker 3: a good.

2373
01:48:21,560 --> 01:48:24,120
Speaker 2: PLAYER i like watching them. PLAY i love those types

2374
01:48:24,160 --> 01:48:25,160
Speaker 2: of guys that create that kind of.

2375
01:48:25,240 --> 01:48:25,719
Speaker 1: Separation.

2376
01:48:26,240 --> 01:48:28,799
Speaker 2: Uh the run, Game, yeah it's a it's a concern.

2377
01:48:28,920 --> 01:48:30,920
Speaker 3: Now My my biggest thing with the run game and

2378
01:48:31,080 --> 01:48:33,360
Speaker 3: we have to wrap it, Up alex is uh THAT

2379
01:48:33,760 --> 01:48:35,200
Speaker 3: i want it to be situationally.

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01:48:35,240 --> 01:48:36,240
Speaker 1: GOOD i don't need.

2381
01:48:36,240 --> 01:48:38,599
Speaker 3: Them to be a dominant run. Team they're a dominant passing.

2382
01:48:38,640 --> 01:48:41,880
Speaker 3: Team they're an explosive passing, team a high efficiency passing.

2383
01:48:41,960 --> 01:48:44,559
Speaker 3: GAME i don't need them to be a great passing

2384
01:48:44,760 --> 01:48:46,639
Speaker 3: or run, game, LIKE i don't need this good, enough

2385
01:48:46,920 --> 01:48:52,680
Speaker 3: just situationally short, yardage five minute offense to close out,

2386
01:48:52,760 --> 01:48:55,760
Speaker 3: games goal line like you need to be able to

2387
01:48:55,840 --> 01:48:57,559
Speaker 3: gain yards on the. Ground when you need to gain

2388
01:48:57,640 --> 01:48:59,840
Speaker 3: yards on the, Ground, yeah doesn't mean that needs to

2389
01:48:59,880 --> 01:49:03,519
Speaker 3: be you like the the hallmark of your offense or

2390
01:49:03,600 --> 01:49:06,040
Speaker 3: like the foundation of your. Offense but when it's you,

2391
01:49:06,080 --> 01:49:07,800
Speaker 3: know first and goal from the, one you need to

2392
01:49:07,840 --> 01:49:09,240
Speaker 3: be able to get it to punch it in and

2393
01:49:09,280 --> 01:49:09,560
Speaker 3: score a.

2394
01:49:09,640 --> 01:49:12,200
Speaker 2: Touchdown, sure all, right what a hard count for.

2395
01:49:12,320 --> 01:49:16,080
Speaker 3: Us, now we'll be back next, week coming off The

2396
01:49:16,120 --> 01:49:18,720
Speaker 3: monday night football. Game it's it will be the bye,

2397
01:49:18,760 --> 01:49:21,240
Speaker 3: week so no game to, preview but we'll still be.

2398
01:49:21,360 --> 01:49:24,760
Speaker 3: Here On, wednesday and we will still be talking about

2399
01:49:24,840 --> 01:49:27,639
Speaker 3: That giants, game And i'll maybe look ahead To buffalo

2400
01:49:27,640 --> 01:49:29,280
Speaker 3: a little bit and talk about the rest of the

2401
01:49:29,320 --> 01:49:31,559
Speaker 3: week and all that good. Stuff so we'll see you guys,

2402
01:49:31,600 --> 01:49:34,479
Speaker 3: Then Patriots, unfiltered we'll be up in ten minutes here

2403
01:49:34,800 --> 01:49:37,040
Speaker 3: or so at noon for, us, though we'll see you

2404
01:49:37,040 --> 01:49:37,400
Speaker 3: guys Next.

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01:49:37,439 --> 01:49:37,799
Speaker 1: Wednesday.

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01:49:37,920 --> 01:49:42,320
Speaker 12: Right, hey this Is.

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01:49:42,360 --> 01:49:44,479
Speaker 8: Alex thanks for tuning into the. Show if you really

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01:49:44,520 --> 01:49:47,120
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Speaker 8: spotify or wherever you get your. Podcasts, also make sure

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01:49:50,560 --> 01:49:52,880
Speaker 8: you follow us on The New England patriots YouTube channel

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01:49:52,920 --> 01:49:55,080
Speaker 8: to see this show and everything else we do here

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Speaker 8: at The.

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Speaker 1: Patriots that's a lot