1 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:11,119 Speaker 1: Hey, Daniel, if you could pick one physics puzzle for 2 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: it to be solved, which one would it be? Oh? 3 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:16,439 Speaker 1: My gosh, off the top of my head. Yeah, I 4 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:18,799 Speaker 1: mean like, if a physics genie suddenly pops up in 5 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:21,079 Speaker 1: front of you and offers you to answer one question 6 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 1: about the universe, what would it be? Oh? Wow, I 7 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 1: should have been prepared for this. Maybe you should think 8 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 1: about it in case like this actually happens to me, 9 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:33,520 Speaker 1: Like there are physics genies. Yeah, maybe maybe I maybe 10 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:35,960 Speaker 1: I'm a genie, Daniel, or maybe you'll meet aliens, or 11 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:39,559 Speaker 1: maybe I am a native You never know, maybe I'll 12 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 1: ask the physics genie about whether there are aliens. Hi 13 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 1: am Horri. I'm my cartoon and the creator of PhD Comics. Hi, 14 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 1: I'm Daniel Whitson. I'm a particle of physicist. But I 15 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 1: wish I was a physics genie. And Welcome to our podcast, 16 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 1: Daniel and Jorge Explained the Universe, a production of I 17 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 1: Heart Radio in which we take trips around the universe 18 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 1: and explain to you all the amazing facts the hard 19 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 1: one slowly learned things we've discovered about the universe not 20 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 1: through physics genies, but through hard fought science. Is that 21 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 1: something that physicists really wish they could have, like a 22 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:30,960 Speaker 1: physics genie would just answer all your questions with the 23 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:34,120 Speaker 1: snap of a finger or the the rub of a laptop. 24 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 1: I do sometimes fantasize about that because I feel like 25 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 1: the answers are out there, Like, you know, there is 26 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:42,679 Speaker 1: a truth about the universe. All the questions we have 27 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 1: about the universe have answers, and those answers, in principle, 28 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 1: can be discovered, which means they're just sort of out there. 29 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 1: And some days I just want to fast forward to 30 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 1: figure it all out, and like, what are the answers 31 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 1: to these questions? Just tell me, tell me, tell me. 32 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 1: And so I wish there was a like a shortcut, 33 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 1: you know, to getting secrets in the universe. You're right, 34 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 1: it's it's all right there. In fact, it's like it's 35 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 1: on our fingertips. Right, It's like literally around us. You know, 36 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 1: questions that ancient humans had about the universe. We have 37 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 1: discovered answers to those questions literally by looking at the 38 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 1: invisible radiation that surrounds us. And so it might be 39 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 1: that answers to questions we have are literally surrounding us. 40 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 1: In ways we can't yet understand. Yeah, they're right there 41 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 1: waiting for us to discover them, to see them, to 42 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 1: hear them. They're all just sitting there, yep. And those 43 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 1: people will look back at us and I think, ha ha, 44 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 1: how silly they were. They didn't there's right on their fingertips. 45 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 1: They said to look at their finger and that there 46 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 1: there was the answer to the universe. Or sometimes I 47 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 1: imagine instead of just like jumping instantaneously to the answer, 48 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:46,359 Speaker 1: which is cheating, imagine like what if I went five 49 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 1: years in the future and learned all that physics, How 50 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 1: quickly could I rediscover that now? Like what is the 51 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 1: shortest number of the experiments you need to do to 52 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 1: discover the answers today? Because that's actually possible physics genies aside. 53 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 1: If you knew exactly how to build these experiments, you 54 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:04,640 Speaker 1: could learn the secrets of the universe. Yeah. So in 55 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 1: this podcast, we talk a lot about all the amazing 56 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 1: things we can find out about the universe through physics, 57 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:12,519 Speaker 1: but we also sort of talk about all the ways 58 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 1: that physics can kill us. And we don't want to 59 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 1: give you the impression that physics is a dangerous activity. 60 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 1: Most people who went to physics survive just fine. Yeah, 61 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 1: look at Daniel, I'm not sure which lesson you should 62 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 1: draw from my experience, but it's sort of fun to 63 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 1: think also about the positive side of physics, and physics 64 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 1: doesn't just potentially squeeze you and burn you up on reentry. 65 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 1: It also potentially delivers secrets of the universe. That's a 66 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 1: real thing. Yeah, physics can be a real adventure and 67 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 1: a journey of discovery as well, that's right. And so 68 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 1: on today's episode, we thought we would take a tour 69 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 1: or some sort of potentially fun physics adventures that you 70 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 1: might be able to take. And so this was a 71 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 1: suggestion from a Twitter user who sent out this question. 72 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 1: He he or she gave us um four interesting physics 73 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 1: adventures that you could potentially go on, you know, um, 74 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 1: you know, journeys into answering four basic questions that physicists 75 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 1: have no idea about. And so today we're gonna do 76 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:16,359 Speaker 1: something a little bit interesting, which is we're gonna be 77 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 1: running a pole. So Daniel a few minutes ago posted 78 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 1: this poll on Twitter, and I think by the time 79 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 1: that this podcast come out, you will still have the 80 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 1: chance to participate in this pool. But in this pool. 81 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 1: We're asking, um, we're posing four different physics adventures or 82 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 1: discoveries or you know, answers that you can find out there, 83 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:38,480 Speaker 1: and we're asking what of these four would you prefer 84 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 1: to know? And all of these are things that most 85 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:46,600 Speaker 1: physicists would be desperate to do with scramble for an opportunity. 86 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:49,280 Speaker 1: And so one of the challenges here is like just 87 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:52,279 Speaker 1: picking one because frankly, I'd like to do them all. 88 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:57,720 Speaker 1: You're like, I'll take answer for five, all of the above, right, 89 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 1: I'll do them in that order or take It's like 90 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:02,719 Speaker 1: when I see a dessert menu and I go, I'll 91 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:08,600 Speaker 1: take one of everything. Your answer is yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, 92 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:10,840 Speaker 1: and double for the for the last one. And so 93 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:12,839 Speaker 1: to be on the podcast, we'll be tackling the question 94 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:21,479 Speaker 1: which of these four physics adventures would you prefer? And 95 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 1: so we have here here for interesting physics adventures. I 96 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:27,840 Speaker 1: guess is I guess their their journeys you could take 97 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:31,920 Speaker 1: on that would basically answer a basic and core question 98 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 1: about the universe that we don't know. Each one sort 99 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:38,280 Speaker 1: of pushes you past a threshold of human knowledge or 100 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:40,840 Speaker 1: takes you somewhere humans have not yet been able to 101 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 1: visit and hopefully reveals a deep inside into the nature 102 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:46,599 Speaker 1: of the universe and what it means to be human. Yeah, 103 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 1: and so the four physics adventures that we are going 104 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 1: to be discussing today are number one, visiting the quantum 105 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 1: realm with or without Paul Rudd. You are Paul Rudd 106 00:05:59,839 --> 00:06:04,039 Speaker 1: in the quantum rail everyone is Paul. Everybody looks good 107 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 1: at forty five in the quantum lee that's number one, 108 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:11,479 Speaker 1: and so number two. Number two is seeing the inside 109 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 1: of a black hole bring a flashlight. I guess number 110 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 1: three going faster than light or number four visiting a 111 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:24,559 Speaker 1: planet with intelligent alien life. And so once again, we 112 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 1: just posted this poll on Twitter, so check it out 113 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 1: and cast your vote. But at the end of this podcast, 114 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:34,839 Speaker 1: we are going to reveal the running totals for this poll. 115 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 1: And I guess I should tell which tell us which 116 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 1: one people prefer, And if you don't like the answer, 117 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 1: I guess you should go on Twitter right now and 118 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 1: follow us in and uh and and to meet your answer. 119 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:49,279 Speaker 1: We are crowdsourcing this question because you know, Twitter tells 120 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 1: the truth. And so, as usual, Daniel couldn't wait, and 121 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 1: so he was curious and so he went out into 122 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:56,480 Speaker 1: the streets and asked people on the street which of 123 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 1: these four adventures they would rather go on. Think to 124 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 1: yourself for a moment, which of these would you prefer, 125 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 1: and then listen to these answers. Would you prefer to 126 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 1: visit the quantum realm, see inside of a black hole, 127 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 1: go faster than light, or meet intelligent aliens. Here's what 128 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 1: people had to say. Going faster than the speed of 129 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 1: light seems pretty cool. Inside a black hole would be 130 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 1: pretty interesting. I feel like it would be cool to 131 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 1: see some aliens because I like to see how they 132 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 1: would teach physics, source chemistry or whatever. If you try 133 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 1: to fasten in the speed of fact, you can have 134 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 1: a back and forth in dimas. I would choose the 135 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 1: black hole. That's the one that interests me the most, 136 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 1: just because I feel like I don't know much about 137 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 1: black holes or anything like that. Cool. Either one I 138 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 1: want to see what happens, or I want to know 139 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 1: what happens. You won't try to fast in the speed 140 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 1: of light just to see what happens. Yeah, or the 141 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 1: black hole one. Let's say faster the speed of light. Yeah, 142 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 1: let's just see what happens. Yeah, just seems like the 143 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 1: craziest one to aliens, because that seems like the most fun. 144 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 1: I feel like Interstellar already tackle too, so like I'm 145 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 1: not as interested. Three is definitely I think that would 146 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 1: be the coolest. Yeah, intelligently, Yes, what would you talk 147 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 1: to them about? Man, I don't even know. I'd probably 148 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 1: just be like, can I even talk to them? That's 149 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 1: the first thing. Can I have any kind of meaningful 150 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 1: exchange of information? If I could even do that? That 151 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 1: it's crazy. I think I want to see what's inside 152 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 1: a black hole, going to a planet to see alien life? 153 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 1: All right? What was that? I think it would be 154 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 1: amazing to think that there would be all the living 155 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 1: things in the universe. It's scared to think that there 156 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 1: are others, and it's scary to think that we all. 157 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:35,200 Speaker 1: I have no idea what the quantum realm even is, 158 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 1: so I wouldn't necessarily choose that one. Intelligent life sounds 159 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:41,840 Speaker 1: pretty awesome, although it could be also a dangerous and 160 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:45,439 Speaker 1: hostile place, but if I was guaranteed of some safety, 161 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 1: that would be an interesting one. Al right. Not a 162 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:51,440 Speaker 1: lot of fans with the quantum realm, not that many. 163 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:54,440 Speaker 1: They're like, we saw that movie already there was a sequel. 164 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 1: It wasn't that good. I don't want to I don't 165 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:58,079 Speaker 1: want to go back. And you know, they did a 166 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 1: pretty good job in that movie. So maybe people feel like, yeah, 167 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:03,319 Speaker 1: that one sort of scratched off the list. I think 168 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 1: the biggest takeaway from these is that people had a 169 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 1: hard time choosing because they all just did sound attractive. 170 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 1: People like, what, what? What have to choose? One? Just one? 171 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 1: Are you sure? And that's to visit the black Hole, 172 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:19,679 Speaker 1: going faster than light through the quantum realm with an 173 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 1: alien next to me? That is the dream come true? 174 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:26,679 Speaker 1: Or did I just make you? Did I just make 175 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 1: you palpatate a little bit? That's the deep fried banana 176 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 1: Sunday of options with a snicker bar, Nickers barn. You know, 177 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 1: there's this story I remember in Chicago which will deep 178 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 1: fry anything for a dollar? And really, yeah, you can 179 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:46,679 Speaker 1: bring m giving your I phone, they'll fry it. They 180 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 1: will for a dollar. You can bring a Snickers bar, 181 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:51,680 Speaker 1: you can bring a pair stuffed in gorgons ola, cheese 182 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:54,679 Speaker 1: or whatever you like. One dollar. They'll fry anything, all right. 183 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:57,440 Speaker 1: So we're gonna talk about each of these four possibilities. 184 00:09:57,679 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 1: Um and visiting the quantum realm. Go this going inside 185 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 1: a black hole going faster than light or meaning intelligent aliens, 186 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 1: and then at the end we'll reveal the running results 187 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 1: of the Twitter poll. So number one visiting the quantum 188 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 1: realm Daniel. First of all, why would you want to 189 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 1: visit the quantum realm? Well, I think this one is 190 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 1: attractive because quantum mechanics is so weird, and there's so 191 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:22,439 Speaker 1: many things about quantum mechanics. The way particles don't really 192 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 1: have a path, they don't like fly through space, the 193 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:28,840 Speaker 1: way they can do things that balls and ships and 194 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:32,080 Speaker 1: planes can't do. That makes people want to go there 195 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 1: and see it and visualize it, right, because um, I mean, 196 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 1: we all live in a quantum universe, but those quantum 197 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 1: effects don't really you can't really see them or experience 198 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:45,840 Speaker 1: them unless you are sort of at that size, really 199 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:48,200 Speaker 1: really small. Yeah, So what do we mean by the 200 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 1: quantum realm? You know these rules about quantum mechanics, like 201 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 1: you can't know the position of a particle and its 202 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:57,680 Speaker 1: speed at the same time, or particles can be on 203 00:10:57,679 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 1: one side of a barrier and then all of a 204 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 1: sudden on the other side without going through the wall. 205 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 1: All these things apply only to the microscopic particles like 206 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:09,200 Speaker 1: electrons and photons and stuff like that. They don't apply 207 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 1: to the things in our world, and so it feels 208 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 1: like there's a different set of rules. So we call 209 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 1: the quantum realm. For me, what it means is the 210 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 1: place where those different rules apply. And that's fascinating because 211 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:24,440 Speaker 1: I'm a physicist. I want to understand how the universe works. 212 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:26,320 Speaker 1: And so if I can go visit a place where 213 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 1: the different rules apply and sort of like get an 214 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:32,199 Speaker 1: intuition for it, that would be totally fascinating, because intuition 215 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 1: is something we really lack when it comes to the 216 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 1: quantum realm. Right, But I guess my question is what 217 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 1: does it mean to visit the realm? Is it like 218 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:42,200 Speaker 1: you shrink down like Atman and you're like seeing an 219 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 1: electron in front of you the size of your own size, 220 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:49,439 Speaker 1: or doesn't mean like, you know, existing your mind existing 221 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 1: in that sort of same sort of quantum fuzziness where 222 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 1: you're sort of multiple things are happening at the same time. 223 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 1: It sounds like you want to go to the quantum 224 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:02,320 Speaker 1: realm and figure it out. I guess you just smoke something, 225 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 1: and I'm truly it will be a similar that's a 226 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 1: different realm, I think, But it's not even really clear. 227 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:09,560 Speaker 1: The question makes sense if you want to be strict 228 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:12,959 Speaker 1: about it, because how do you experience the quantum realm? 229 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 1: How do you go down there and and become part 230 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 1: of that world? Because you are a macroscopic object, you 231 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 1: are a big collection of tend to the thirty protons 232 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:26,839 Speaker 1: and electrons and stuff. How could your consciousness exist at 233 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:29,320 Speaker 1: that scale? What would it be like to experience it? 234 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 1: I think that's why I think the heart of the 235 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 1: question really is to get an intuition for the quantum realm, 236 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 1: to like see its inner workings and how it makes 237 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 1: sense to me, that's what going to the quantum realm means. 238 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 1: I don't know how you do that, or if it's 239 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 1: actually possible, or if humans will ever do that ever 240 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 1: outside of Marvel cinematic universe, but it certainly is appealing, 241 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:50,840 Speaker 1: right So to you it means sort of like existing 242 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 1: in that quantum state, like you are your multiple realities 243 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:56,560 Speaker 1: at the same time. Yeah, I'd like to live I'd 244 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:58,960 Speaker 1: like to have an experience of being in the universe 245 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 1: where the quantum will supply and the large scale. Yeah, well, 246 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 1: either I'm shrunk down to the quantum realm or blow 247 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:07,680 Speaker 1: the quantum realm up to make it apply to big stuff. 248 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 1: You know, Like I have an intuition for what happens 249 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 1: when I throw a ball in the air. I have 250 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 1: that intuition, not my physics knowledge, my intuition because I've 251 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 1: done it and I see what happens. And as a kid, 252 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:19,679 Speaker 1: you throw a ball into an air a thousand times 253 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 1: and you know what's going to happen. I don't have 254 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:26,160 Speaker 1: that same intuition for what happens when electrons bounce around 255 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:29,320 Speaker 1: around hydrogen atoms because I haven't seen it. I haven't 256 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 1: experienced it. I've only calculated it. So I'd love to 257 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 1: spend time with an electron enough to like get familiar 258 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:37,680 Speaker 1: with it, so I like have a sense for what 259 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:40,840 Speaker 1: the rules are for that they make sense to me. Instead, 260 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 1: you want to ride an electron, like you want to 261 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 1: be like next one and be like, hey, wait, so 262 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 1: we're here. No, No, it's o're there kind of thing. Yeah, 263 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 1: you just proposed the world's smallest amusement park right now, 264 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 1: standard line for my hydrogen item. What already has an 265 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 1: amusement park named the Electron Hydrogen Mountain. Yeah, I want 266 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:01,839 Speaker 1: to an ELECTRONO want to get down in there. I 267 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 1: want to see what it's like. I want to really 268 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 1: understand it so that when we talk about quantum mechanics, 269 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 1: I can feel like, oh, yeah, I've been there, I 270 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:11,200 Speaker 1: know how that works. That totally makes sense to me. 271 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:14,560 Speaker 1: I see, because this idea of like um the cat 272 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:17,720 Speaker 1: being a dead and alive at the same time ensure 273 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 1: the anger is box is sort of counterintuitive and it 274 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 1: doesn't drive with our experience of the physical world. So 275 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 1: you want to be in a world where you can 276 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 1: experience the cat being alive and dead at the same time. Yeah, 277 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 1: I want to live in that world, so I get 278 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 1: used to it, so that doesn't sound crazy to me 279 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 1: when we do these calculations, because currently the way we 280 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 1: grapple with quantum mechanics is we just sort of follow 281 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 1: the math. We found these rules that applied to quantum mechanics, 282 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 1: quantum field theory, and quantum mechanics, and we can turn 283 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 1: the crank and say, if you do this experiment, that 284 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 1: this other thing is going to happen. But it's not 285 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 1: like you can really understand it. You just sort of 286 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 1: follow the math and believe it and say, well, the 287 00:14:56,840 --> 00:15:00,120 Speaker 1: universe follows this math. So I guess that's correct, and 288 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 1: we can test it. We do the experiments, but it's 289 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 1: not like it still makes sense to me in any 290 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 1: reasonable way. Right, but I thought you hated cats, Daniel. 291 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 1: I love cats. It's just that my daughter's allergic. All right, Well, 292 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 1: let's um. Let's see how visiting the quantum realm is 293 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 1: doing on our Twitter poll. Hold on, all right, right now, 294 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 1: visiting quantumwell is in third place, third place? All right, 295 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 1: what's the percentage of response response of people are into 296 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:31,720 Speaker 1: visiting the quantum realm? Currently number one is meeting intelligent 297 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 1: aliens up at thirty six, up at Bernie Sanders levels. 298 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 1: So quantum realm not doing so good. Less I want 299 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 1: to go visit the quantum Yeah, quantum realm is sort 300 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 1: of the tom sty or physics options. All right, Well, 301 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 1: let's get into visiting inside of a black hole and 302 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 1: traveling faster than light and talking to aliens. But furs, 303 00:15:53,840 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 1: Let's take a quick break, all right, Daniel, we are 304 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 1: going down through our list of physics adventures that people 305 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 1: might choose to go on or not. So the next 306 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 1: adventure we have here is seen inside of a black hole? Again, Daniel, 307 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 1: why would you want to do that? Why wouldn't you 308 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 1: want to do that? Oh my gosh, why do I 309 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 1: get to come back out? I guess it's my question. Okay, 310 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 1: this is a one way fair. Okay, return trips are 311 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 1: not guaranteed. Oh I see, so that maybe we should 312 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 1: have a caveat like see inside of a black hole 313 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 1: and never leave again. And how that be the last 314 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 1: thing you ever see. I think it would probably be 315 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 1: be less popular. No, this is not for trick questions. 316 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 1: I guess you know, what's the point of going inside 317 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 1: a black hole if you can't then come back out 318 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 1: and win five Nobel Prizes because your discovery of quantum 319 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 1: grounds your friends about it. Yeah, yeah, so I guess 320 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 1: return trips should be guaranteed. But right, so, so we 321 00:16:57,680 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 1: get to go inside of a black hole, have that experience, 322 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 1: look around, see what the physics are like, and then 323 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 1: come back out. Yeah. And to me, that's fascinating because 324 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:09,399 Speaker 1: black holes are they're like a hidden, little secret corner 325 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:12,359 Speaker 1: of the universe. They hold the answers to some of 326 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 1: the deepest questions in physics, but they're frustratingly impossible to penetrate. 327 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 1: And well, it's not like they're hiding it. It's just that, uh, 328 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 1: inside of a black hole are conditions which sort of 329 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 1: like break all of our physics laws, right, And so 330 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:28,879 Speaker 1: you want to go in there and see what's going on. Yeah, Like, 331 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:32,000 Speaker 1: let's say I devised an experiment that would reveal the 332 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:35,119 Speaker 1: deepest nature of the universe, all the way down to 333 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:37,919 Speaker 1: the smallest elements, and then I locked it in a 334 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:40,680 Speaker 1: room that and threw away the key, and I said, oh, yeah, 335 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 1: the answers they're in there, but nobody can ever go inside. 336 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 1: That's basically what's going on with the black hole. You know, 337 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 1: like if you went in there, would you able to 338 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 1: It's not like you would find a paper with the 339 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 1: answers to the universe or they'd be written on the 340 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 1: walls of the black hole. It'd be like a whole 341 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 1: bunch of crazy stuff going on in there. Would you 342 00:17:57,560 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 1: even like be able to piece it together? Yeah, you'd 343 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:03,919 Speaker 1: have to do some experiments, but we have to do 344 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 1: some science. Yeah, just like in our universe, you know, 345 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 1: the laws of the universe and not just written on 346 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:12,400 Speaker 1: the walls. The physics is an actual job. You know um, 347 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:14,639 Speaker 1: and you have to do some experiments, but very quickly 348 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 1: you could learn some things. For example, you know, we 349 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 1: have two different theories of how the universe works, and 350 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 1: they disagree deeply about what's happening inside a black hole. 351 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 1: For example, most people are probably familiar with the description 352 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:31,120 Speaker 1: of the inside of a black hole that comes from 353 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:34,040 Speaker 1: Einstein's theory of general relativity that says that there's like 354 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:36,639 Speaker 1: a singularity at the heart of a black hole, a 355 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 1: point of infinite density. Wouldn't you like to see that? Like, 356 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:42,679 Speaker 1: if that's truth, that's real of Einstein was right, what 357 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 1: would that look like? And so if you enter the 358 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 1: black hole, you could boom, you'd be there with it. 359 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:49,440 Speaker 1: You could hang out with the singularity. You could ask 360 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 1: you what it had for lunch. Oh, I see you 361 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:54,239 Speaker 1: want to go in there? And actually I go up 362 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:56,360 Speaker 1: to the center of it and see it's like, oh, 363 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:58,960 Speaker 1: it is a singularity. It's not a little fuzzy blob 364 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:01,639 Speaker 1: as quantum mechanics would imply. If I'm going all the 365 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:03,439 Speaker 1: way inside a black hole, I'm not going to be 366 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:05,960 Speaker 1: shy to go to the core. You know, I'm going 367 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:09,440 Speaker 1: all in. Yeah, if you're visiting the house of your 368 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:11,960 Speaker 1: favorite science, which you're not just staying in the living room, 369 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 1: You're going all the way inside. I'm sleeping in their bed. Yeah, no, exactly, 370 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:21,640 Speaker 1: because quantum mechanics and general relativity, these two pillars of physics, 371 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 1: they disagree about what happens when gravity gets really strong. 372 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:28,359 Speaker 1: And the only place where gravity is strong enough to 373 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:32,439 Speaker 1: reveal what actually happens when gravity gets really strong is 374 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:35,840 Speaker 1: inside a black hole, which is frustratingly impossible to visit 375 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 1: except on the mental journey of this podcast. Well, I 376 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:41,680 Speaker 1: guess my my my question is um. So I guess 377 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:45,120 Speaker 1: it would tell you whether general relativity or quantum mechanics 378 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:48,160 Speaker 1: is right or whether there's something else going on. Uh. 379 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:51,359 Speaker 1: And you would learn also about quantum gravity, right, whether 380 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:54,400 Speaker 1: or not it's possible. Yeah, we think that probably gravity 381 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 1: is a quantum theory, but you know, we don't know 382 00:19:57,000 --> 00:20:01,159 Speaker 1: is gravity of force that transmits quantum particles and we 383 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 1: can't tell because it's so weak that we can't see 384 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:06,440 Speaker 1: those particles, or is it not? Is it just a 385 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:10,160 Speaker 1: curature space and time? And you quantize it by quantizing 386 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 1: space itself, like making a little space pixels, and so 387 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 1: we could see that if we were near enough the 388 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 1: center of a black hole to understand, like, you know, 389 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 1: is general relativity correct and space itself is quantized um? 390 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:26,680 Speaker 1: Can we see gravitons inside the black hole? Like? People 391 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 1: have been looking for theories of quantum gravity that actually 392 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:33,160 Speaker 1: work for since we've had quantum mechanics and since we've 393 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:35,479 Speaker 1: had gravity. It's been about a hundred years, which is 394 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:38,040 Speaker 1: a long time in physics. You don't just want to 395 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:40,639 Speaker 1: go in there and experience it yourself. You want to 396 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 1: go in there with a whole like lab and grad 397 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:47,400 Speaker 1: students and like instruments. I want to build a lab 398 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:50,680 Speaker 1: inside a black hole. Yeah, I want that is my lab. 399 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 1: You know, Like at the particle collider, we have created 400 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 1: on purpose conditions that don't exist anywhere else, smashing particles 401 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:00,399 Speaker 1: together very high energy because those that can stands that 402 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 1: are going to reveal the secrets of the universe. And 403 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 1: so a black hole is like that to the bagiliant power. 404 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 1: And so yeah, that's where you see what's right and 405 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:12,360 Speaker 1: what's wrong. Um, I guess the question is how could 406 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 1: you even do it? Because if you try to get 407 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:18,680 Speaker 1: near a black hole you kind of get shredded to pieces. Right, 408 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:22,119 Speaker 1: So is this even possible or is this totally wishful thinking? 409 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 1: I think it's pretty much totally impossible. I mean, we 410 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:28,439 Speaker 1: if you get anywhere near a black hole, then the 411 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:32,399 Speaker 1: tidal forces will tear you apart because gravity is so strong, 412 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 1: but its strength depends on the distance. And so when 413 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 1: you get close to a black hole, gravity is tugging 414 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 1: on your feet much more strongly, for example, and it's 415 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:43,399 Speaker 1: tugging on your head, which means that it's literally pulling 416 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:45,879 Speaker 1: your head off of your body. And that's not a 417 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:50,720 Speaker 1: good thing. I don't know who you are. I frowned 418 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:54,359 Speaker 1: upon that kind of thing happening to me. Um. And 419 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:56,159 Speaker 1: the closer you get to the black hole, the stronger 420 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 1: that effect is. So anything that gets near the black 421 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 1: hole just gets shredded. And then of course, if you 422 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:04,919 Speaker 1: actually do somehow arrive at the event horizon, you're just 423 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:08,159 Speaker 1: going to be squished by the incredible forces. Um. You know, 424 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 1: but we did, I mean, I want to leave a 425 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:13,879 Speaker 1: threat of tendrib possibility here. We did once talk about 426 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 1: whether you could destroy black holes, and there was this 427 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 1: idea that if you like added enough spin to the 428 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 1: black hole, you might delete the event horizon while leaving 429 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:26,399 Speaker 1: the singularity in there, and that's not going inside it, 430 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:30,199 Speaker 1: but it's sort of like exposing opening it, opening a 431 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:33,120 Speaker 1: window into a black hole. Yeah. Um, so that could 432 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 1: be fascinating, but that wouldn't really be a black hole. 433 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:38,879 Speaker 1: You'd be deleting the event horizon and revealing a naked singularity, 434 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 1: which would be awesome and fun and probably really dangerous, 435 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 1: but not technically going inside a black hole. So this 436 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 1: one's on the wish list, but the probably not ever 437 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 1: actually possible. This well, let's see how going inside of 438 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 1: a black hole is doing on our Twitter poll. It says, um, 439 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 1: the inside of a black hole? Is that respondence, So 440 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 1: seventy percent of people are picking going inside of a 441 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:05,480 Speaker 1: black hole? Also not not doing so well. Not doing 442 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 1: so well. It's surged ahead of quantum realm, but points 443 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 1: since we last talked about it. Maybe people are listening 444 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 1: to the podcast through time traveling. Maybe they're inside of 445 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 1: black hole and they get to do what really want exactly, 446 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:20,840 Speaker 1: because you know, an interstellar when you go inside a 447 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 1: black hole, time is a dimension you can talk to 448 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 1: your children from from beyond the grave dot dot dot 449 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:29,200 Speaker 1: dot dot nonsense. Well, so far we have three D 450 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:32,360 Speaker 1: and forty four votes, which is a lot of friendies. 451 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:34,959 Speaker 1: Having posted it a few minutes ago, and again a reminder, 452 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 1: if you're listening to this podcast, the poll is probably 453 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 1: still open, and so you can go check it out 454 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:42,119 Speaker 1: and place your vote. You can sway the results because 455 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:44,680 Speaker 1: you know, one of these things, Jorge will actually fund 456 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:47,920 Speaker 1: this to happen, depending on what it means, I will 457 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 1: I will actually do it, and this will be the 458 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 1: last episode of Daniel and Lain the Farewell Tour. All right, Well, 459 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:58,119 Speaker 1: the third option in our poll is to travel faster 460 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:00,679 Speaker 1: than light, and so we had isn't in the phantom 461 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 1: realm seeing side of a black hole and going faster 462 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:04,679 Speaker 1: than light? And this one is doing pretty good on 463 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 1: the pool. A lot of people are picking this one. 464 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 1: And you know, this one surprises me a little bit 465 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:11,639 Speaker 1: because to me, this one is the least appealing. Really, 466 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:15,440 Speaker 1: I mean, this is my favorite, this is your favorite? Okay, well, 467 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:17,359 Speaker 1: I would be picking this around and you why do 468 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:18,959 Speaker 1: you want to go faster than the speed of light? 469 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:20,960 Speaker 1: Is because you want to make moose noises and say 470 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:26,480 Speaker 1: warp speed nine make it so um well, I guess 471 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 1: you know it goes to that, you know, desire to 472 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:32,960 Speaker 1: travel and visit other planets, you know, like right now, 473 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:35,360 Speaker 1: the problem is that everything is too far away, right, 474 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 1: and so it'd be cool to like, you know, get 475 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 1: on a spaceship, fly out out of the galaxy and 476 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 1: look at the Milky Way. So is it that you 477 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 1: want to get places that you can't get right now 478 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 1: because of the speed limit, or you actually want to 479 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 1: have the experience of going faster than the speed of light? 480 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 1: Would you prefer a wormhole or FTL travel? I really 481 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 1: just want to travel places, and so if you have 482 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 1: a wormhole, sure I'll take that. But also travel fasting 483 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:01,399 Speaker 1: faster than light just sounds cooler, you know. I think 484 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:03,879 Speaker 1: a lot of people reacted to that. It just sounds cool, 485 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:05,960 Speaker 1: Like they want to see what it feels like, and 486 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 1: it feels illegal and super zoomy, and so they want 487 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 1: to go out there and you know, stick their head 488 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 1: out the window while going fast speed of light and 489 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:16,200 Speaker 1: see what it feels like. Probably as good as going 490 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,879 Speaker 1: into a black hole. I imagine, probably hands in the vehicle. 491 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 1: People keep your hands in the vehicle. So you think 492 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 1: there's something um illicit about going faster than light like 493 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,640 Speaker 1: that appeals to people. Yeah, I guess it sounds exciting, 494 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:32,240 Speaker 1: but I can't really imagine what it would that would 495 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 1: be that exciting, because, you know, traveling really fast in 496 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,399 Speaker 1: a airplane doesn't feel that exciting. You know, it feels 497 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 1: kind of boring. I've flown at six dred miles an 498 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 1: hour from here to Hong Kong or whatever. It's not 499 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 1: super exciting. I'm not sticking my head out the window 500 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:50,639 Speaker 1: and going we But imagine where you would be. You know, 501 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:54,520 Speaker 1: if you could travel to Hong Kong and in less 502 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:56,440 Speaker 1: than a second, that would be kind of cool. Oh yeah, 503 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,399 Speaker 1: I mean not right now, maybe, but totally. If the 504 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 1: question was would you like to teleport to an arbitrary 505 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 1: place in the universe, totally I would do that the second. 506 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,200 Speaker 1: And I got a list of places I want to go, right, 507 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 1: But do I really want to go there at some 508 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 1: super high speed. I don't even go skiing. I'm not 509 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:16,800 Speaker 1: like a fast driver. I'm not that into speed. You're like, whoa, whoa, Well, 510 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,479 Speaker 1: slow down, Why would you even want to go that fast? 511 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 1: I don't really want to go at the speed of light. 512 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:23,600 Speaker 1: Why would you want to go faster than the speed 513 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 1: of light? Exactly? Um, And you know I don't like 514 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,600 Speaker 1: roller coasters, and so I guess that's what this one 515 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:31,560 Speaker 1: doesn't appeal to me from this sort of advent your 516 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:33,879 Speaker 1: excitement point of view either. But you would want to 517 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 1: travel to another star if it was convenient and easy. Sure, 518 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 1: I want to go visit other stars. I want to 519 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:40,679 Speaker 1: go see what other planets. You're like. I want to 520 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:43,639 Speaker 1: walk on the surface of other planets and moons. I 521 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:45,840 Speaker 1: just want to see it on your TV, not actually 522 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 1: go there. I want other people to figure out how 523 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 1: to get there, figure it out and make it safe, 524 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,439 Speaker 1: and then yeah, I want to teleport there while eating snacks. 525 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 1: But I guess my question is, you know you're going 526 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 1: faster than light, which the universe says is impossible. So 527 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 1: what weird things happen to you while you're sitting on 528 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 1: that plane going faster than light, Like would time go 529 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:07,639 Speaker 1: backwards maybe? Or would things just go all wonky and 530 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 1: and break the universe? So that I think is an 531 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,720 Speaker 1: interesting bit, right, It's not the excitement is seeing the 532 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 1: needle going all the way to three million meters per second. 533 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:19,879 Speaker 1: It's I guess the excitement of seeing what breaks. And 534 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 1: you're right, you can't go faster than the speed of 535 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:26,720 Speaker 1: light according to our understanding of the laws of physics. 536 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 1: And you know, people say, oh, time would go backwards 537 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,159 Speaker 1: and stuff that's just sort of nonsense. It's another way 538 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,680 Speaker 1: of saying, you can't do it because nonsensical stuff would 539 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 1: happen if you tried. This is one reason why you 540 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,440 Speaker 1: can't do it, because it would require, you know, things 541 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,639 Speaker 1: that don't make sense to happen. So what do you 542 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,679 Speaker 1: think would happen? Would would time go backwards inside of 543 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,680 Speaker 1: a like I would get on the plane and then 544 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,320 Speaker 1: I would get there, and it was before I got 545 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:55,399 Speaker 1: on the plane I think. I think the simulation that 546 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:57,639 Speaker 1: is our universe would crash and somebody would have to 547 00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 1: restart it. Or what I d age like, would I 548 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,720 Speaker 1: would time run backwards inside of that airplane and then 549 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,119 Speaker 1: I would get off younger? Well, you know, if you 550 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:10,400 Speaker 1: extend our understanding of special relativity, time always moves forward 551 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:14,680 Speaker 1: for you, and your clocks change based on other people's 552 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:18,040 Speaker 1: observations of your speed. So if you're moving fast in 553 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,199 Speaker 1: the speed of light, then I would look at your 554 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:21,959 Speaker 1: clock and it would look like it was running backwards 555 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 1: to me, but to you, time would be moving forward. 556 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,760 Speaker 1: So if I'm looking at your spaceship, you would be 557 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:31,640 Speaker 1: d aging, I guess on the spaceship. But to you, 558 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,480 Speaker 1: time is always just moving forward at one second per second. 559 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 1: So it sounds like weird stuff would happen. But it's 560 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:40,960 Speaker 1: also impossible. You're saying, I think it's totally impossible. Um, 561 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,560 Speaker 1: so that part doesn't excite me too much. But I 562 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 1: guess you know, if somebody said, all right, I've built 563 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,040 Speaker 1: this machine can take you fasten the speed of light. 564 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 1: It actually does work, then yeah, you know what I 565 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:54,240 Speaker 1: would get in it? And I would go on, turn 566 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:57,000 Speaker 1: it on. Let's see what happens. Um, I would like 567 00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:58,680 Speaker 1: to know what it's like to go fasten the speed 568 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 1: of light. All right, I've changed my mom It is exciting. Well, 569 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:04,440 Speaker 1: a lot of people need to agree it's gonna it's 570 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 1: It's pretty popular in our pool right now, a lot 571 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,080 Speaker 1: of people would choose to go faster than light. And 572 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,440 Speaker 1: so we have one more scenario here, which is to 573 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,240 Speaker 1: talk to aliens, and so we'll get into that and 574 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:15,600 Speaker 1: we'll see what people think about that. But first let's 575 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:30,320 Speaker 1: take a quick break. Al Right, down there are last 576 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:33,400 Speaker 1: scenario here in our Choose your Own Physics Adventure game 577 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:35,240 Speaker 1: did you read those as a kid to choose your 578 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,640 Speaker 1: own adventure books? I totally did. I like map them 579 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 1: all out on pieces of paper. I read every single 580 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 1: page and yeah, absolutely, Oh wow, you're trying to break it. 581 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:50,360 Speaker 1: I was trying to solve it. Those are well, my 582 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 1: son recently got into those and I read them again. 583 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 1: I was like, these are kind of dark, like you 584 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 1: die a lot. You die a lot, but you are 585 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,080 Speaker 1: there's always another path and which you win. Right, So 586 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,000 Speaker 1: there's like a liberation there for the writer gets to 587 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 1: explore darker scenarios than otherwise because they can just balance 588 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,000 Speaker 1: it out with positive endings. I guess if you go 589 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,560 Speaker 1: do go to the quantum realm, I would that's the 590 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 1: kind of book you would want to take because then 591 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 1: you could read all the possibilities at the same time. 592 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,320 Speaker 1: Maybe those were written in the quantum realm and that's 593 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 1: why they're so weird. All right. Well, our last scenario 594 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 1: here that we are pulling people to choose is whether 595 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 1: you want to talk to aliens or meet intelligent aliens. 596 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,360 Speaker 1: And by this you mean like go to them or 597 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 1: they come to you, or you call them, or they 598 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 1: happen to be your neighbor. What do you mean dinner. 599 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:39,200 Speaker 1: I don't mean you skype them, because you spend the 600 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 1: first ten minutes being like, can you hear me? What? 601 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,680 Speaker 1: What your pictures present? And that's not the way to 602 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 1: have the first conversation with the intelligen them or give 603 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,680 Speaker 1: them a hug. No, I think the question is visit 604 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,800 Speaker 1: their planet, like, go to a planet with intelligent alien life. 605 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,320 Speaker 1: And to me, this one is fascinating. This is absolutely 606 00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:00,840 Speaker 1: my number one choice by far. No surp Daniel, I'm not. 607 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:05,080 Speaker 1: I'm not surprised at all, and not just because you've 608 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 1: had your hand over the alien blooded this whole hour 609 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:13,120 Speaker 1: we've been talking. You're like kind of president. Yeah, accidentally 610 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:16,520 Speaker 1: elbows a couple of times, and not just because meeting 611 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 1: aliens would be fascinating on its own, but also because, hey, 612 00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,040 Speaker 1: maybe they've solved some of these other problems, so maybe 613 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,720 Speaker 1: you could like do the all the above right, Maybe 614 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,760 Speaker 1: this is tell you what it's like inside of a 615 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:30,880 Speaker 1: black hole, or to go faster than life without you 616 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,960 Speaker 1: having to do it, yes precisely, Or maybe they give 617 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,720 Speaker 1: you a ride on their faster than my black Home 618 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,960 Speaker 1: Quantum realm Um roller coaster and then you get the 619 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,640 Speaker 1: answers to all these problems. I guess you're assuming that 620 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,200 Speaker 1: if we meet an alien civilization, they would be more 621 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,120 Speaker 1: advanced than us. Well, that's a good question. If they 622 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,080 Speaker 1: come to us, I think it's fair to assume that 623 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:52,440 Speaker 1: they are more advanced than us, because we can't currently 624 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:54,880 Speaker 1: do that if we go to them, if we meet 625 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,600 Speaker 1: intelligent aliens on their planet, then you're right. There's no 626 00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:01,080 Speaker 1: guarantee that they have technology that's advanced further than us, 627 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:05,520 Speaker 1: but at the very least they've advanced differently from us. 628 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:07,800 Speaker 1: They have a different way of looking at the universe 629 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:11,800 Speaker 1: and thinking about the universe, and that already will be insight, right, 630 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:15,800 Speaker 1: They'll be unique experience and unique ideas and unique science. Right. 631 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:17,920 Speaker 1: That would be good for the biologists, right, But maybe 632 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,760 Speaker 1: not for the physicists. No. I think also for the physicists. 633 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,200 Speaker 1: I think, for example, even if you just like ran 634 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:27,520 Speaker 1: the human experiment over again from scratch up to this year, 635 00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,719 Speaker 1: you would get different physics every time because you'd have 636 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 1: different people having different ideas um and you would think 637 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,080 Speaker 1: about the world differently. So I think the way we 638 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:40,680 Speaker 1: have thought about the universe depends not just on being 639 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:42,920 Speaker 1: humans and how the human mind works, but on the 640 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:47,080 Speaker 1: particular human minds we've had. And so if you met 641 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:50,360 Speaker 1: other intelligent aliens who are just as advanced as us 642 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:53,880 Speaker 1: or nearby, they would have had different ideas and that 643 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:55,720 Speaker 1: would be fascinating. Well, I said, you want to talk 644 00:32:55,760 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 1: to the alien philosophers too, Yeah, of course, alien philosophers 645 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,200 Speaker 1: and physicists. Um. I mean, don't you want to meet 646 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:06,040 Speaker 1: the alien cartoonists and things? I want to be like, 647 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:11,080 Speaker 1: how do you make democracy work? Like? Oh, yeah, we 648 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:15,680 Speaker 1: outlawed Twitter years ago. Yeah, that's the key. That's a 649 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:19,800 Speaker 1: mouthstone in any civilization. Internet shutting down the Internet, that's 650 00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:24,600 Speaker 1: the next singularity. Outlowing Twitter. Um no, I think it'd 651 00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,400 Speaker 1: be fascinating. You've learned so much about what it's like 652 00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:31,120 Speaker 1: to be intelligent. Um. You know, for example, do they 653 00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,840 Speaker 1: even use mathematics? What kind of mathematics do they use? 654 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:37,320 Speaker 1: Do they count our integers special to them? So many 655 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:40,000 Speaker 1: questions just about the very basics of the way their 656 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,360 Speaker 1: minds might work. You think some of the things we 657 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:47,720 Speaker 1: think are fundamental, like numbers and integers, are maybe not 658 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,680 Speaker 1: that fundamental. Maybe there's another way to think about math 659 00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,320 Speaker 1: and the universe. Yeah, because this is the only way 660 00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:55,360 Speaker 1: we've ever thought about it, because it's the only way 661 00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:58,560 Speaker 1: we can. And so seeing a new perspective, a new 662 00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:01,640 Speaker 1: way of thinking about things, will tell us exactly that. 663 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,400 Speaker 1: It's like when you go on a trip and you discover, oh, 664 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,120 Speaker 1: people don't eat cereal for breakfast everywhere around the world. 665 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,280 Speaker 1: I thought that was a core part of the human experience. Nope, 666 00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:13,000 Speaker 1: it turns out, you know, quas songs are more fundamental 667 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:16,160 Speaker 1: than checks, you know, in the human experience. And so 668 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:23,080 Speaker 1: you learn about is a famous French particle, right Quastantino? 669 00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:28,320 Speaker 1: Actually cool? So so this is your favorite scenario talking 670 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,120 Speaker 1: to aliens? Yeah, but you know, I seeing its praises 671 00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:33,520 Speaker 1: that make it sound like we'd show up and we've 672 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:36,319 Speaker 1: learned the secret to the universe by early afternoon, and 673 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:39,040 Speaker 1: we'd be sipping alien espresso and then you'll be out 674 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:42,920 Speaker 1: of there, like that's enough talking to other living beings. 675 00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:45,600 Speaker 1: I am an introvert, after all, I'd be like, can 676 00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:48,239 Speaker 1: I get a break from on this conversation? Um? But 677 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,080 Speaker 1: the reality, I think would be much more difficult. Even 678 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,719 Speaker 1: if you assume that they're intelligent and they're alien, which 679 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:57,440 Speaker 1: means they're similar in a biological way and in an 680 00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:00,680 Speaker 1: intellectual way for us to recognize their intellig as they 681 00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:04,800 Speaker 1: would still be huge hurdles to like basic communication before 682 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,800 Speaker 1: we got to talking about mathematics and particle physics and 683 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,279 Speaker 1: all sorts of cool stuff. And I guess, unlike the 684 00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:14,640 Speaker 1: other scenarios here today, this one could actually happen. It 685 00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:20,200 Speaker 1: might happen, This will happen, will happen, will happen unless 686 00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:23,520 Speaker 1: we kill ourselves and you know, or fry our planet 687 00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:27,000 Speaker 1: before we can manage it. I'm totally confident that eventually 688 00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:30,840 Speaker 1: humans will walk on a planet with intelligent alien life, eventually, 689 00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:34,000 Speaker 1: I guess, eventually about having to travel faster than light. Yes, 690 00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:37,640 Speaker 1: eventually eventually doing a lot of work there, because it 691 00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,680 Speaker 1: might take hundreds of years or thousands of years for 692 00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:42,760 Speaker 1: us to get off this planet and get to neighboring 693 00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,920 Speaker 1: um solar systems. But I can't imagine a galaxy in 694 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:50,399 Speaker 1: which it's not just chalk filled with intelligent alien life. 695 00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:52,680 Speaker 1: And so I really hope, I guess it's a hope. 696 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,440 Speaker 1: I don't really know. I really hope that some humans 697 00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:58,279 Speaker 1: someday has that experience of putting their foot down on 698 00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:00,960 Speaker 1: a planet with intelligent alien life. I really believe right 699 00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:05,560 Speaker 1: getting even that digested by that alien, but hopefully not, 700 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,359 Speaker 1: hopefully not, and at least did they do if they 701 00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:12,200 Speaker 1: have a nice alien espresso to follow it up with. Well. 702 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:15,800 Speaker 1: According to our Twitter pool, this is also everyone's favorite 703 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:19,400 Speaker 1: option of our for physics scenarios. It's got the highest 704 00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:23,280 Speaker 1: number of votes on our Twitter pool. Good job, tweets, 705 00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:27,919 Speaker 1: I'm proud of you. Yeah, people would rather talk to alien. 706 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:29,680 Speaker 1: I wonder if they're just trying to please you, Daniel. 707 00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:36,400 Speaker 1: If so, they've done it, but it seems like it 708 00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:39,120 Speaker 1: is sort of like a basic human curiosity. I mean, 709 00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,120 Speaker 1: more than any of the other things which sound cool 710 00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,839 Speaker 1: to people. Want to talk to aliens. Who doesn't want 711 00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:46,560 Speaker 1: to talk to aliens? I mean, I think a lot 712 00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:50,239 Speaker 1: of people think that aliens exist, and for good reason. Um, 713 00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,359 Speaker 1: I mean, not that we've been visited, or the area 714 00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:54,840 Speaker 1: fifty one is real, or any of those silly conspiracy 715 00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:58,239 Speaker 1: theories like Bobblazar, but that they're out there. And in 716 00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:00,680 Speaker 1: that same way, you know, if they're out there, if 717 00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,720 Speaker 1: they're real, if there's aliens out there right now having lunch, 718 00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:06,600 Speaker 1: then it's I'm desperately curious to know about them and 719 00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:10,440 Speaker 1: it's frustrating to imagine there's this barrier between us and 720 00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,040 Speaker 1: this knowledge, this knowledge which would change the way it 721 00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,200 Speaker 1: feels to be human and what it means to be human. 722 00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,400 Speaker 1: It's frustrating. Well, I have to say, um, it's not 723 00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:22,359 Speaker 1: my favorite, but it does sound pretty cool. So you'd 724 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:24,840 Speaker 1: be willing if this was the only option available and 725 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:28,719 Speaker 1: you would sign a future I would. Yeah, all the 726 00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:33,160 Speaker 1: other options are are filled up. I see you overslept 727 00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:34,720 Speaker 1: and by the time you showed up for the Physics 728 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:39,160 Speaker 1: Adventure camp, I have to take this one. You know, 729 00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:42,920 Speaker 1: I have enough trouble avoiding real humans. Why it seems 730 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,279 Speaker 1: like I don't need more more things to talk to. Well, 731 00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:47,160 Speaker 1: maybe you're an alien and this would be like going 732 00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:51,840 Speaker 1: home for you, where everybody just stays home and doesn't 733 00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:53,839 Speaker 1: talk to anybody. Well, I think it's interesting to think 734 00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,880 Speaker 1: about all of these possibilities and to think about which one, 735 00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:58,759 Speaker 1: you know, you would like to go on, because it 736 00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,040 Speaker 1: sort of tells you a little it about you know, 737 00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:04,040 Speaker 1: what we wish for deep down as humans. You know, 738 00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:07,560 Speaker 1: God places look inside of a hole that's a mystery, 739 00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:11,040 Speaker 1: you know, experience things that are totally different, and talk 740 00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:13,600 Speaker 1: to things that are in aliens that are totally different. 741 00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:17,200 Speaker 1: It's sort of like basic human response. Yeah, absolutely, I 742 00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:20,160 Speaker 1: think that that's why the universe is so fun to study, 743 00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:23,520 Speaker 1: because it has these mysteries, and those mysteries have answers. 744 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:26,719 Speaker 1: You know. These are not like m questions like does 745 00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:29,480 Speaker 1: Heaven exist? Or what is the afterlife or things that 746 00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,160 Speaker 1: we might not possibly ever know the answer to. These 747 00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,520 Speaker 1: are questions that have real answers that we will eventually 748 00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,440 Speaker 1: figure out. And so that's why these mysteries are fascinating 749 00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:40,759 Speaker 1: because they're right there at our fingertips, and we never 750 00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,240 Speaker 1: know when the big breakthrough will happen. Maybe be tomorrow, 751 00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,840 Speaker 1: maybe in a hundred years, but some human will know 752 00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,240 Speaker 1: the answers to a lot of these deep open questions 753 00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:50,960 Speaker 1: about the universe. Yeah, and hopefully we will be alive 754 00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:53,120 Speaker 1: at that point, that's right, so we can sider in 755 00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:57,080 Speaker 1: our couch eating snacks and read all about it, reading 756 00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,759 Speaker 1: choose your own adventure books. Well, I just looked at 757 00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:03,400 Speaker 1: the Twitter poll again, Daniel, and it looks like Faster 758 00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:07,280 Speaker 1: than Light just went up a point and Visiting Aliens 759 00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:09,200 Speaker 1: went down a point. So who knows, maybe by the 760 00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:12,120 Speaker 1: time this podcast comes out, it will be totally different, 761 00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,360 Speaker 1: or maybe I can. Maybe by us talking about it, 762 00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:22,359 Speaker 1: we're influencing the poll quantum causality violation poll. Wait, Daniel, 763 00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,479 Speaker 1: are you saying you're gonna give a dollar for every 764 00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:28,600 Speaker 1: vote the talking to alien sk Is that true? Give 765 00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:33,760 Speaker 1: a plank dollar? Well, I guess if it sways anyone, 766 00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:36,200 Speaker 1: I would have to say, if you can go faster 767 00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:39,000 Speaker 1: than light, you might be able to visit aliens on 768 00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,440 Speaker 1: your travel. So it's like you can get both. Maybe 769 00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:45,680 Speaker 1: if you choose faster than light. All right, that's a 770 00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:47,800 Speaker 1: pretty good argument. I'll take it. All right. Well, the 771 00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:49,400 Speaker 1: Twitter poll is going to be up for a week, 772 00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,000 Speaker 1: So if you are listening to this podcast and you've 773 00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:54,920 Speaker 1: thought about it, and you are maybe interested in casting 774 00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:58,840 Speaker 1: a vote, go to our Twitter page or Twitter account 775 00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:02,520 Speaker 1: it's at Daniel and Jorge and follow us and cast 776 00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:04,840 Speaker 1: your vote and let us know which of these adventures 777 00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:06,719 Speaker 1: you would most like to sign up for. And be 778 00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,160 Speaker 1: quick because some of them are filling up fast. We 779 00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:11,360 Speaker 1: hope you enjoyed that. See you next time. Thanks for 780 00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:21,680 Speaker 1: tuning in. Before you still have a question after listening 781 00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:24,800 Speaker 1: to all these explanations, please drop us a line. We'd 782 00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:27,680 Speaker 1: love to hear from you. You can find us on Facebook, Twitter, 783 00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:31,400 Speaker 1: and Instagram at Daniel and Jorge That's one Word, or 784 00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:35,480 Speaker 1: email us at Feedback at Daniel and Jorge dot com. 785 00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:38,320 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening and remember that Daniel and Jorge Explain 786 00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:41,239 Speaker 1: the Universe is a production of I Heart Radio. For 787 00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:44,319 Speaker 1: more podcast from my Heart Radio, visit the i heart 788 00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:48,000 Speaker 1: Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your 789 00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:54,160 Speaker 1: favorite shows. Yea