Speaker 1: You're gonna give you the wrong coffee. Now, getting out
Speaker 1: of here pain and go back to you your little
Speaker 1: man caves. We might not make it to fifty seven years.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you that right back. Well, now you got
Speaker 1: a career who needs That's one of those hangers on rita.
Speaker 1: Do you know who we're gonna be hearing today. We're
Speaker 1: gonna hear a great duo Lois and Jane. And from
Speaker 1: what I hear, these are two terrific people. And they're
Speaker 1: so similar they're like almost one. I'm very much looking
Speaker 1: forward to it. Oh, please pass me the page with
Speaker 1: the O bits. I cheer those who hit ninety three
Speaker 1: on a very good day with the O bits. All
Speaker 1: the old folks are older than me. Lois Stein is
Speaker 1: my grandmother. She's eighty nine years old and she lives
Speaker 1: in Long Island. She is the greatest grandmother of all time.
Speaker 1: She is so popular, she's so bright, she's so talented
Speaker 1: and funny, and I'm incredibly close to her. She's just
Speaker 1: like me. Phone man is Jane Rebecca Rosenfeld. This recording
Speaker 1: was the first time we've seen each other in four
Speaker 1: months because of the coronavirus. We talked on the phone
Speaker 1: and through face time, through the whole shutdown. But there's
Speaker 1: really nothing like seeing her in person. If you asked
Speaker 1: me to describer, I would say that they should synergetic, friendly, warm,
Speaker 1: everybody loves her. That's not what she's like me kind
Speaker 1: and she staying the best teacher. We really think of
Speaker 1: each other more as friends than as grandmother and grandchild.
Speaker 1: Even more than that, almost as an older and younger
Speaker 1: version of the same person. It was very early on
Speaker 1: in my life that we discovered our special bond. I
Speaker 1: came to her second birthday and everybody was playing. She
Speaker 1: came over to me and said, I want to play, Mama,
Speaker 1: And we went into the bedroom and we play. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was more excited about having my grandma play with
Speaker 1: me than the like fifty friends that my parents had
Speaker 1: probably invited. I remember telling my mom whispering in her ear,
Speaker 1: like can she sleep over? From then on, I think
Speaker 1: we've always had a lot of fun together. One word
Speaker 1: of advice for new grandmother's, feed them. It's just like
Speaker 1: a puppy dog. The first movie I ever saw in
Speaker 1: theaters was with my grandma. We went to see The
Speaker 1: Wizard of Oz. There was this movie theater really close
Speaker 1: to where I grew up on the Upper West Side.
Speaker 1: It was on the east side. Actually, no, it was
Speaker 1: the one on a hund and Broadway. Sure, yeah, I'm positive.
Speaker 1: And I was so so scared. I think I remember
Speaker 1: like asking if we could leave. She chooses two seats
Speaker 1: in the top row in the corner, and she was
Speaker 1: wearing a blue and white check dress like Dorothy. But
Speaker 1: I was really scared of that movie. For many years.
Speaker 1: I was too. Yeah, you were to see the monkeys.
Speaker 1: I have to smile because that move and see it
Speaker 1: is right near where I live, and it's still there,
Speaker 1: closed and it is a scary movie. She's right. I
Speaker 1: love the closeness that they have, and I love the
Speaker 1: biplay between the two of them and their wonderful memories
Speaker 1: seemed to be this same memories. Although Jane said it
Speaker 1: was on the east side and the grandmother said it
Speaker 1: was on the west side, and which because she's eighty
Speaker 1: nine years old, I'm Mandy, and I remember there's nobody
Speaker 1: like you. I loved it. I thought my granddaughter and
Speaker 1: I were closed there, even closer. They're adorable and I
Speaker 1: read obits. If I don't see my name, I get
Speaker 1: out of bed. When you get to our age, you
Speaker 1: read obits. It's a sixth thing to do, but we
Speaker 1: read it. My mother used to get the New York
Speaker 1: Times every day and the first thing she went to
Speaker 1: was the obits, and then she would read them and go, oh, oh,
Speaker 1: what's the matter? Mom? A Jewish man. There could be
Speaker 1: nine other people who had died, but my mother is
Speaker 1: a Jewish Man. I look at the obits and I said,
Speaker 1: if I don't see myself, I'm the bill that's right.
Speaker 1: And my sister in we want to make sure that
Speaker 1: they do the right thing. So we both wrote all bits,
Speaker 1: which we're holding kicking when we go. I have one.
Speaker 1: I have absolutely got one that I wrote. Nobody knows
Speaker 1: me better than I do. I said, I don't need
Speaker 1: a big funeral. Just make sure my opening is posted
Speaker 1: in the New York Times and then you write, you know,
Speaker 1: something like with thousands in attendance. The congregation mourned right.
Speaker 1: I told my kids, I'm not gonna die in the
Speaker 1: pandemic because you can't have a funeral. And when I go,
Speaker 1: I want a big funeral. I want everybody coming, I
Speaker 1: want everybody crying. I want everybody to say nice things
Speaker 1: even if they don't mean it. If I'm around, I
Speaker 1: want to give I'm gonna tell my kids. She's very
Speaker 1: good at this. She does a terrific ulity. If the
Speaker 1: podcasts you could be don't have a career, you don't
Speaker 1: do podas Algie I called my company. And if we
Speaker 1: can laugh about these things, what can I tell what?
Speaker 1: I don't think I laugh with anybody like I laugh
Speaker 1: with your reader. Okay. I was just handed a list
Speaker 1: of part titles, and this is the first one. Part one,
Speaker 1: How to make friends and influence people. My grandmother has
Speaker 1: this extraordinary ability to make friends. She has stories of
Speaker 1: seeing what a person is reading on the subway and
Speaker 1: talking to them about it, or walking down the street
Speaker 1: and complimenting someone on what they're wearing, and becoming friends
Speaker 1: with my friends. And then before you know it, you're
Speaker 1: invited to the pool, and you're invited for Thanksgiving. At
Speaker 1: the end of the hour, I might ask you over
Speaker 1: somehow though you still have time to talk to me.
Speaker 1: We talk every single night. We do the crossword mini
Speaker 1: puzzle as soon as it goes live at ten, and
Speaker 1: we have a competition. And she would give me a handicap,
Speaker 1: so she had to do it faster than maid to win.
Speaker 1: She has more of a party, nightlife, sleep schedule than
Speaker 1: I do, because I watch KOBEA and I go to
Speaker 1: bed at ten of twelve because then my son Wretched
Speaker 1: goals to discuss scope. And then she's up at like
Speaker 1: eleven in the morning, and I don't come down till
Speaker 1: twelve because it takes me three hours to get ready
Speaker 1: when it used to take me ten minutes. And then
Speaker 1: there are the lists. She'll make, lists about anything, list
Speaker 1: of all her friends, list of all her kids friends,
Speaker 1: list of all the people who help her on the house,
Speaker 1: so she's eventually gonna owe money too one day when
Speaker 1: she dies. And then recently she's been making a list
Speaker 1: of all of her friends who have died, just to
Speaker 1: compare the numbers, which I've told her she should doing
Speaker 1: because it makes her sad, but she actually seems to
Speaker 1: enjoy it quite a bit. But I have two replacements,
Speaker 1: and usually the replacements are the people who have died,
Speaker 1: their children and their grandchildren who love her. Soon Lois
Speaker 1: will be ninety. She'd been planning her ninety birthday party
Speaker 1: for years, but then the pandemic arrived. The governor had
Speaker 1: stated that you could only have parties in groups of
Speaker 1: ten or less. One of the things she mentioned was
Speaker 1: having nine different parties of ten people, and they kind
Speaker 1: of correspond to the list. A party of her family,
Speaker 1: a party of her dead friend's children, a party of
Speaker 1: all the people who help her on the house, a
Speaker 1: party of her neighbors. I would have had a party
Speaker 1: with my grandmother and I tell each other everything, and
Speaker 1: in the process, we've discovered that our lives overlap in
Speaker 1: countless ways. So we decided early on we should write
Speaker 1: a book together. So, for example, I'll write about the
Speaker 1: first time I was in love and will compare and
Speaker 1: see how they are the same, see how they're different
Speaker 1: depending on time and place. And the title is then
Speaker 1: and Now. My grandmother has mastered the art of getting
Speaker 1: exactly what she wants out of life. I've always thought
Speaker 1: she must have gotten this from her parents, who seemed
Speaker 1: to turn every situation into an advantage. I grew up
Speaker 1: in the Bronx opposite the Yankee Stadium. They put in
Speaker 1: night baseball for the first time, and it's shown into
Speaker 1: my father's bedroom. And my father was an attorney, and
Speaker 1: he wrote them a letter that he'd serve them with
Speaker 1: an injunction if they did not turn off the lights,
Speaker 1: and they wrote back, Mr Weinberg, you're in your legal rights,
Speaker 1: But instead of ruining the pleasure of millions of people,
Speaker 1: will you be our guests with your family in a
Speaker 1: box seat every night baseball game. I wish we still
Speaker 1: had those box seats. Things like that always seemed to
Speaker 1: happen to you when you were growing up. And did
Speaker 1: that make me popular? So you were like the cool
Speaker 1: girl in the apartment building? I don't know if I
Speaker 1: was cool. I always thought I was a drip. I
Speaker 1: still was like a ringleader. Why do you think you
Speaker 1: were a drip? Because I was tall? That was my
Speaker 1: biggest hang up. I don't know. I just didn't swing
Speaker 1: the way a lot of the girls did, and I'd
Speaker 1: never be picked to be a cheerleader or something. You're
Speaker 1: not a drip, Nana. I realized that now, finally she's funny.
Speaker 1: She's really got a good sense of humor. She's moving
Speaker 1: her life a little very nicely. The grandmother, absolutely, the
Speaker 1: grand daughter is amazing. The things the grandmother does. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm so interested in is that the disparity
Speaker 1: and age and yet there's such a closeness. It's real friendship,
Speaker 1: and I envy that. I have to say, she and
Speaker 1: I have a lot in common. If I make a
Speaker 1: list and go to the supermarket, I forget the list
Speaker 1: at home, no matter what lest I make. It gives
Speaker 1: you something to do. If you make lists, you may
Speaker 1: have to use it, but it kind of keeps your
Speaker 1: mind in order. You know, I do keep list to
Speaker 1: the medications I take, for which I probably need about
Speaker 1: four cell phones. Okay, Ellen, you know it's time for
Speaker 1: commercial break. Okay, it's fine. It gives me time to
Speaker 1: have a fight with Peter, a fight or a bite,
Speaker 1: A fight, a fight, Okay. The next part is part two,
Speaker 1: Embarrassing parents. My parents swore lawyers, including my mother, and
Speaker 1: I was so ashamed of that because everybody else mother
Speaker 1: was a housewife. And when I was at school, the
Speaker 1: teacher asked everybody what their father did, and then she
Speaker 1: went and lois, tell the children what your mother does?
Speaker 1: And I said, she's a housewife? Wow? Really, yes, Oh
Speaker 1: my goodness. People would think it's so cool, but she
Speaker 1: was in this generation. And the other thing was we
Speaker 1: had air Aide drills, and not only was she the
Speaker 1: only woman air aid warden. She was the sector warden,
Speaker 1: so I was ashamed of that too, but yet had
Speaker 1: a very good relationship with her. Yeah, I don't see
Speaker 1: me resembling either of them in my way of life.
Speaker 1: Did somebody else entirely kind of influence? You know, you've
Speaker 1: just sort of paved your own know, I just influenced me.
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, your trailblazer. I went to law school
Speaker 1: like she did, but not to be a lawyer. I
Speaker 1: wanted to meet a guy. No, I didn't want to
Speaker 1: be a pace set like she wants. But I think
Speaker 1: I became one. Yeah, maybe unintentionally. You actually really admired
Speaker 1: everything your mother did, I guess. So she ran an
Speaker 1: international women's exposition was wartime and Eleanor Roosevelt came to speak,
Speaker 1: and my mother asked me to escort her from the
Speaker 1: entrance to the stage. And I didn't want to go
Speaker 1: take some old lady there, and she said, if you
Speaker 1: don't do this, you'll regret it all your life. So
Speaker 1: I did it, and she did nothing but asked me
Speaker 1: about myself all the way to the stage. How my
Speaker 1: mother was right. I'm still telling people Eleanorman FD are
Speaker 1: unbelievable couple. Unbelievable. She actually was his you know, his
Speaker 1: legs in the world. She went all over and brought
Speaker 1: back all the information she was. She was really like
Speaker 1: the seer good President. She was a woman way before
Speaker 1: her time, way before her time. Absolutely, that's something she'll
Speaker 1: always have as a memory. And you know what it means.
Speaker 1: You got to take advantage of things in life, no
Speaker 1: matter when. Just go with it. That's what makes life.
Speaker 1: You gotta hang on to every experience because you'll never
Speaker 1: know when you're doing a podcast that's right, that's right,
Speaker 1: And I'm terrific. Imagine to be ashamed to be a lawyer, unbelievable.
Speaker 1: It just shows you how times have changed. And as
Speaker 1: I said once before on the podcast, I would have
Speaker 1: loved to been a lawyer, and I think Guy would
Speaker 1: have been good, but it just was not an option.
Speaker 1: Look at RBG. She couldn't even get a job when
Speaker 1: she got out of top law schools number one in
Speaker 1: Harvard Law. Now Columbia Law. She got out of Columbia Law.
Speaker 1: So times have changed. Women have the opportunity today, Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: And now we're gonna see in part three how Lois
Speaker 1: met her husband. I'm always curious about how people make
Speaker 1: their husbands. This should be very interesting. So you're a
Speaker 1: third grade teacher at the time, and a new third
Speaker 1: grade teacher at a different school asked for your advice
Speaker 1: on what to teach her students, and she was really
Speaker 1: impressed with your lesson plans. The teacher there said, oh,
Speaker 1: my nephew would love a girl like that. So she
Speaker 1: asked me and I said, I don't go on a
Speaker 1: blind date. She said, he has a drug store on
Speaker 1: Hunt five screen. We could go up and look him over.
Speaker 1: So you and your friend Esther went to the pharmacy
Speaker 1: to introduce yourselves to Lenny. And after a brief exchange,
Speaker 1: you left the pharmacy and my grandfather had you followed
Speaker 1: by his delivery boy. And what was it you said
Speaker 1: to Esther? I said to her, not bad, not bad.
Speaker 1: And then the delivery boy brought the message back to
Speaker 1: my grandfather at the pharmacy. He said to Lenny, they
Speaker 1: say not bad, not bad. A few weeks after that,
Speaker 1: Esther ran into Lenny at a bar mitzvah they both
Speaker 1: happened to be invited to, and has just said to him,
Speaker 1: what did you think of the girl I brought in
Speaker 1: the drug store? And he said, not bad, not bad.
Speaker 1: So Esther wrote Lois his name on a napkin and
Speaker 1: handed it to Lenny. But there was another woman at
Speaker 1: the party who wanted Lenny for her daughter. She wrote
Speaker 1: her daughter's name on a napkin too and handed it
Speaker 1: to him, and as fate would have it, in all
Speaker 1: of this napkin transferring, he lost the other napkin and
Speaker 1: then he called. This was all sounding very promising. He
Speaker 1: was terrific as a date. So he took me up
Speaker 1: to Connecticut and he brought an easel and made sketches
Speaker 1: of it, and he took me ice skating, and he
Speaker 1: took me to theater, and he was very imaginative. Now
Speaker 1: I liked my courtship, my court and I really began
Speaker 1: to like him. But there was a problem. He had
Speaker 1: never been in the service, and nobody in those days
Speaker 1: that was dating me and served in the service. And
Speaker 1: he looked perfectly healthy. And I said, did you ever
Speaker 1: spend time in a mental institution? And he said, I
Speaker 1: took you to theater and dancing, and you think I'm crazy.
Speaker 1: And it turned out that he had puncture ear drums
Speaker 1: since he was five, and those days they didn't put
Speaker 1: you into service if you weren't, you know, perfect, He
Speaker 1: asked me to marry him. The next day he called
Speaker 1: and said his mother said it was too soon. He
Speaker 1: didn't know me long enough, so we should call it off.
Speaker 1: So I did, and I made a date with somebody
Speaker 1: else that weekend. Wow, you were not waiting for anyone,
Speaker 1: but there were two people in between. Um what, I
Speaker 1: didn't even know that. Oh my gosh. All right, well,
Speaker 1: you've certainly met your fair share of men, and Lenny
Speaker 1: at the pharmacy still wanted to see you. I said
Speaker 1: to him, I have to do it in two weeks,
Speaker 1: because I told the other guy i'd go out with
Speaker 1: him next week. Apparently my grandfather was okay with this,
Speaker 1: because you kept your date with the new guy to
Speaker 1: go dancing, and you had a great time. Right, But
Speaker 1: you did save the following weekend for my grandfather. I
Speaker 1: played with his nephew and nine month old baby, and
Speaker 1: he watched me, and he's said, are you gonna marry me?
Speaker 1: On that she went to her friend Hilda for advice.
Speaker 1: She said, what was a burdenhand is worth two in
Speaker 1: the bush. Three months later, she married my grandfather and
Speaker 1: wanted to change his mind. Wow. The minute I heard that,
Speaker 1: the mother thought it was too soon. That would have
Speaker 1: been the kiss of death for me. She's alright, she
Speaker 1: she went out, held him on the side. She shrewd,
Speaker 1: she knows how to play the angles. She won by default.
Speaker 1: He went out of the running. The other guy his
Speaker 1: napkin went down the toilet. That was the end of
Speaker 1: that match. I can't add anything to that. She was sensible,
Speaker 1: you know. She know a good steady guy of that
Speaker 1: at a drug store and would always make a living.
Speaker 1: My husband was a blind date. Phil was also a
Speaker 1: blind day. A friend of mine worked in an office
Speaker 1: with Phil's sister. Let's tell you he wore an outfit
Speaker 1: that should have worn the he had to the day
Speaker 1: when he died. He had the worst taste and quote.
Speaker 1: Next on the list is part four, to work or
Speaker 1: not to work? And I think Lois had her own
Speaker 1: ideas about this. Did you get this sense, Nana, that
Speaker 1: he would support you as a working woman or did
Speaker 1: he need to be kind of worked on at all?
Speaker 1: I'm the least feminist woman walking on God. I didn't
Speaker 1: want to work at all. The only reason I went
Speaker 1: back was all the other women did, so we couldn't
Speaker 1: just live on one income if everyone was living on too.
Speaker 1: Did you get the sense that he would support you? Know?
Speaker 1: I hope so, I assumed so he did. In my opinion,
Speaker 1: I thought he'd own a chain of drug stores. But oh,
Speaker 1: he didn't live up your expectations on that way. So
Speaker 1: for a woman who didn't want to work, you certainly
Speaker 1: put a lot of energy into preparing yourself for the
Speaker 1: working world. You transferred schools so many times, five times,
Speaker 1: and I decided to go to law school. I was
Speaker 1: very good at it, but I didn't like to do paperwork,
Speaker 1: so I took the master's in education and loved it.
Speaker 1: So but tell us about how you landed your first
Speaker 1: teaching job. Wasn't it that you were on your way
Speaker 1: to interview at an ad agency, but then you got
Speaker 1: sidetracked by the sounds of kids in a schoolyard. I
Speaker 1: went in and said to the principle that I walk around,
Speaker 1: that I had this teaching license, and I told the
Speaker 1: children the story of Katie note pockets without a book.
Speaker 1: And when I came out, she said, someone's going out
Speaker 1: on maternity. Would you like a job here? Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: That's how I got my first staging job. But just
Speaker 1: as your career was getting underway, I got pregnant and
Speaker 1: the minute I told them, they made me leave that day.
Speaker 1: What they wouldn't let children see that you were pregnant. Wow,
Speaker 1: so we've come a long way, baby. You can't say
Speaker 1: we've come a long way baby if you're not a feminist.
Speaker 1: This must have been a serious financial blow to your family.
Speaker 1: At the time, I didn't think of it that way.
Speaker 1: I just loved what I was doing. I was disappointing, right,
Speaker 1: But you just said a minute ago you never even
Speaker 1: wanted to work in the first place. So if it
Speaker 1: wasn't a financial necessity, why did you care? And I
Speaker 1: have no one to play with, So it was more
Speaker 1: because you would have been bored. I don't know if
Speaker 1: it was like actually out of you needed them. No,
Speaker 1: it was both. It was And that's how I put
Speaker 1: in the swimming pool. I saved my first year's salary
Speaker 1: swimming put in the pool, which we still use today.
Speaker 1: I was a teacher when I got pregnant with my
Speaker 1: first child, and I was allowed to work as long
Speaker 1: as I didn't show, But after that I had to
Speaker 1: stay home. Today, you even had women not doing newscasts
Speaker 1: on the television with pregnant bellies doesn't matter which is Listen.
Speaker 1: It's normal, it's nature, it's life, and there's nothing talk
Speaker 1: to be ashamed of to be pregnant. Absolutely. Okay, Wait,
Speaker 1: it's time to shut our mouths and let somebody else talk.
Speaker 1: It's time for a commercial. Well you need it, Ellen,
Speaker 1: I need a little water to wet my whistle. Go ahead, guys, Okay.
Speaker 1: Next on my list is part five, doing what you
Speaker 1: want with your time as a mother. You really don't
Speaker 1: have your own time. Either I was working or I
Speaker 1: was with my children. Time was something that was very precious.
Speaker 1: Let's see what Lois does with her time. Tell about
Speaker 1: the whole parallel life you lived in the theater while
Speaker 1: raising your kids. I played the old stripper and gypsy
Speaker 1: and the Jewish mother income blow your horn in the
Speaker 1: same month, and I dare Meryl Streep to do that.
Speaker 1: So who was putting my mom and her siblings to bed?
Speaker 1: I think they put themselves to bed? Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: And you developed a gifted program at the school you
Speaker 1: taught at, which is actually still in place today. Did
Speaker 1: you bring home some of those lessons to your own kids? No,
Speaker 1: I was so tired of the other kids. I didn't
Speaker 1: do that. How I did read them stories or take
Speaker 1: them to theater. Oh and also I put them in
Speaker 1: my plays. David was in Sound of Music. He was
Speaker 1: one of the things, and I was one of the things,
Speaker 1: you mean, one of the kids. And I was a
Speaker 1: frau Schmidt, the housekeeper. I hear other people talk about
Speaker 1: how involved they were with their kids. I was involved
Speaker 1: with me at least. You're honest. A lot of parents
Speaker 1: signed their kids up for like all these different activities,
Speaker 1: and you were kind of just like, do whatever you want,
Speaker 1: go out in the traffic and play. Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: but look how wonderful they turned out. They did turn out. Well.
Speaker 1: Do our values and ideas about how to live life
Speaker 1: match your own, Well, they're different because we're a different generation. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like you people are all hung up on careers and
Speaker 1: women first and all that. Oh yeah, what a bummer.
Speaker 1: Women first, you're creating a bed to lie in. You're
Speaker 1: making your life hard. Why because you gotta worry about
Speaker 1: careers and having families at the same time, and whether
Speaker 1: to marry or not, and whether the woman can make
Speaker 1: more than the man. You've got a bunch of problems
Speaker 1: for no good reason. My god, everyone thinks i'd be
Speaker 1: a feminist. Who thinks that? Most people think that because
Speaker 1: I'm so independent? Well not your own grandchildren. And my mother,
Speaker 1: the lawyer, wasn't a feminist. You raised a feminist, Yes
Speaker 1: I did, and she raised in feminists she did. What
Speaker 1: a shame? Did you have any problem with the way
Speaker 1: women were treated in your younger years. I'm so egotistical,
Speaker 1: only kid how I was treated. I don't think women
Speaker 1: would treat it badly at all. Had a good racket,
Speaker 1: make three meals and then you can do whatever you want.
Speaker 1: Oh manna, No, I'm much rather have been a woman
Speaker 1: in my twenties than when you people are. Yeah, why well,
Speaker 1: first of all, I want to get married, and you
Speaker 1: people take forever to get married. A few people you
Speaker 1: like to go to work, and I didn't. You're always
Speaker 1: fighting for some women's rights and I didn't have to.
Speaker 1: You didn't have to. You chose not to both. I
Speaker 1: didn't know them, you didn't know that they needed them.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you're so confusing because you've lived your
Speaker 1: life in such a progressive way and then you say
Speaker 1: things like that, that's the contradiction. This is a hard question, Ellen,
Speaker 1: and I feel I'm a feminist and I'm all for
Speaker 1: you girls having a career and being equally equal. But
Speaker 1: it's hard. I mean, you're raising kids, you get keeping
Speaker 1: a job, and you're going through a to college for
Speaker 1: a career. You know, she's got a point their lowess.
Speaker 1: I understand what she's saying. I'm not agreeing with her,
Speaker 1: but you have to admit it's easy. It's staying home
Speaker 1: with the kids, cooking not more satisfying. Probably, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't think I missed the boat somewhere. I think
Speaker 1: that women who are are working and have have a
Speaker 1: family and whatever, they have a full rich like. It
Speaker 1: may be busy and it may be chaotic, but it's
Speaker 1: fulfilling if they're doing what they want to do. I
Speaker 1: don't know. We still carry a lot of old fish
Speaker 1: and ideas. You know, this girl Jane sounds just like
Speaker 1: my Rachel. She's a real feminist activist. Or she has
Speaker 1: fights with her mother all the time. That's you, that's
Speaker 1: just youth. And now we've come to part six, from
Speaker 1: mother to grandmother? Are you proud of where all of
Speaker 1: them have ended up? All of your kids. Absolutely, and
Speaker 1: with all my neglect, every friend says I have the
Speaker 1: best batch of ale. Yeah, you do have good kids, phenomenal.
Speaker 1: What about your grandchildren? I have strong relationships with all
Speaker 1: of them, and I'm crazy about all of them. Are
Speaker 1: you proud of where all three of us have ended up?
Speaker 1: So proud? Well? Have we taught you anything? Are we
Speaker 1: go again with one of your hard questions? Oh? Like? What? Like? Maybe?
Speaker 1: Like how to be more politically correct? For you told
Speaker 1: me that I can't say models. Why you said sold fashion?
Speaker 1: You still say it. I can't help but say it
Speaker 1: because I think you're models. What's your best advice to
Speaker 1: someone who wants to take full advantage of a life's
Speaker 1: opportunity to whatever you want? Don't go fighting a course,
Speaker 1: fight your own, fight your own cause, all right, live
Speaker 1: your life to the fullest everyone. Oh, absolutely, because you
Speaker 1: only come through this way once. So do whatever you
Speaker 1: want and don't work if you don't have to. I guess,
Speaker 1: oh that's a prime requirement. Thank you, and thank you
Speaker 1: for giving me this opportunity to be the center of attention,
Speaker 1: because I have to just tell you that one of
Speaker 1: the people who directed me was yelling and criticizing, and
Speaker 1: somebody said, you're awfully hard on Lois, and she said, no,
Speaker 1: Lois doesn't care as long as you talk about her,
Speaker 1: So thank you. Just wait, Liz virus is over. He
Speaker 1: helped form one of my biggest parties. I know. Well,
Speaker 1: let me tell you, I made thirteen marriages. Did you
Speaker 1: need a more liberal plan? No, Nanna, You're a perfect
Speaker 1: grandmother and you're a perfect granddaughter, isn't she. Well, she's
Speaker 1: sort of a little outrageous, she's you know, but she's
Speaker 1: gotten through with the love of her children and more
Speaker 1: than the love of her grandchildren. So it worked. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: She just is who she is. Yeah, she's not offending anybody. No,
Speaker 1: I'd say, good for her. Say what do you want
Speaker 1: about me? That's me, right, Rita. I have never heard
Speaker 1: anybody say anything but wonderful things about you. Okay, but
Speaker 1: don't put this on the podcast. I'm embarrassed. Don't be
Speaker 1: embarrassed if I had said everybody says terrible things about you.
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Speaker 1: We'll bring something hot to eat too. It's either chopped
Speaker 1: limber like the filter Fisher. My kids don't like chop Lifford.
Speaker 1: My kid right, chop Liard. So what do you want?
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