1
00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:08,840
Speaker 1: You're gonna give you the wrong coffee. Now, getting out

2
00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:11,399
Speaker 1: of here pain and go back to you your little

3
00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:14,600
Speaker 1: man caves. We might not make it to fifty seven years.

4
00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:17,560
Speaker 1: I'm telling you that right back. Well, now you got

5
00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:24,720
Speaker 1: a career who needs That's one of those hangers on rita.

6
00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:27,400
Speaker 1: Do you know who we're gonna be hearing today. We're

7
00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:31,280
Speaker 1: gonna hear a great duo Lois and Jane. And from

8
00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:34,320
Speaker 1: what I hear, these are two terrific people. And they're

9
00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:38,120
Speaker 1: so similar they're like almost one. I'm very much looking

10
00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:45,199
Speaker 1: forward to it. Oh, please pass me the page with

11
00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:49,960
Speaker 1: the O bits. I cheer those who hit ninety three

12
00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:54,200
Speaker 1: on a very good day with the O bits. All

13
00:00:54,240 --> 00:01:06,120
Speaker 1: the old folks are older than me. Lois Stein is

14
00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:09,360
Speaker 1: my grandmother. She's eighty nine years old and she lives

15
00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:14,279
Speaker 1: in Long Island. She is the greatest grandmother of all time.

16
00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:19,720
Speaker 1: She is so popular, she's so bright, she's so talented

17
00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:26,679
Speaker 1: and funny, and I'm incredibly close to her. She's just

18
00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:34,000
Speaker 1: like me. Phone man is Jane Rebecca Rosenfeld. This recording

19
00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:35,959
Speaker 1: was the first time we've seen each other in four

20
00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:39,199
Speaker 1: months because of the coronavirus. We talked on the phone

21
00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:42,120
Speaker 1: and through face time, through the whole shutdown. But there's

22
00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:45,160
Speaker 1: really nothing like seeing her in person. If you asked

23
00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:50,640
Speaker 1: me to describer, I would say that they should synergetic, friendly, warm,

24
00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:55,160
Speaker 1: everybody loves her. That's not what she's like me kind

25
00:01:55,680 --> 00:02:01,640
Speaker 1: and she staying the best teacher. We really think of

26
00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:05,000
Speaker 1: each other more as friends than as grandmother and grandchild.

27
00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:08,440
Speaker 1: Even more than that, almost as an older and younger

28
00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:12,400
Speaker 1: version of the same person. It was very early on

29
00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:15,360
Speaker 1: in my life that we discovered our special bond. I

30
00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:20,880
Speaker 1: came to her second birthday and everybody was playing. She

31
00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:24,280
Speaker 1: came over to me and said, I want to play, Mama,

32
00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:28,639
Speaker 1: And we went into the bedroom and we play. Yeah.

33
00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:31,799
Speaker 1: I was more excited about having my grandma play with

34
00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:34,440
Speaker 1: me than the like fifty friends that my parents had

35
00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:38,560
Speaker 1: probably invited. I remember telling my mom whispering in her ear,

36
00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:42,480
Speaker 1: like can she sleep over? From then on, I think

37
00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:45,760
Speaker 1: we've always had a lot of fun together. One word

38
00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:52,000
Speaker 1: of advice for new grandmother's, feed them. It's just like

39
00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:56,560
Speaker 1: a puppy dog. The first movie I ever saw in

40
00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:58,880
Speaker 1: theaters was with my grandma. We went to see The

41
00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:02,080
Speaker 1: Wizard of Oz. There was this movie theater really close

42
00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:03,800
Speaker 1: to where I grew up on the Upper West Side.

43
00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:06,480
Speaker 1: It was on the east side. Actually, no, it was

44
00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:09,480
Speaker 1: the one on a hund and Broadway. Sure, yeah, I'm positive.

45
00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:14,600
Speaker 1: And I was so so scared. I think I remember

46
00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:18,920
Speaker 1: like asking if we could leave. She chooses two seats

47
00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:22,640
Speaker 1: in the top row in the corner, and she was

48
00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:28,520
Speaker 1: wearing a blue and white check dress like Dorothy. But

49
00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:31,440
Speaker 1: I was really scared of that movie. For many years.

50
00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:35,080
Speaker 1: I was too. Yeah, you were to see the monkeys.

51
00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:44,200
Speaker 1: I have to smile because that move and see it

52
00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:47,480
Speaker 1: is right near where I live, and it's still there,

53
00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:52,200
Speaker 1: closed and it is a scary movie. She's right. I

54
00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:55,040
Speaker 1: love the closeness that they have, and I love the

55
00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:59,080
Speaker 1: biplay between the two of them and their wonderful memories

56
00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:02,080
Speaker 1: seemed to be this same memories. Although Jane said it

57
00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:04,200
Speaker 1: was on the east side and the grandmother said it

58
00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:06,760
Speaker 1: was on the west side, and which because she's eighty

59
00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:11,520
Speaker 1: nine years old, I'm Mandy, and I remember there's nobody

60
00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:16,320
Speaker 1: like you. I loved it. I thought my granddaughter and

61
00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:20,479
Speaker 1: I were closed there, even closer. They're adorable and I

62
00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:22,800
Speaker 1: read obits. If I don't see my name, I get

63
00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:25,760
Speaker 1: out of bed. When you get to our age, you

64
00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:28,400
Speaker 1: read obits. It's a sixth thing to do, but we

65
00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:31,800
Speaker 1: read it. My mother used to get the New York

66
00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:35,080
Speaker 1: Times every day and the first thing she went to

67
00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:41,200
Speaker 1: was the obits, and then she would read them and go, oh, oh,

68
00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:45,640
Speaker 1: what's the matter? Mom? A Jewish man. There could be

69
00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:49,640
Speaker 1: nine other people who had died, but my mother is

70
00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:55,479
Speaker 1: a Jewish Man. I look at the obits and I said,

71
00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:58,400
Speaker 1: if I don't see myself, I'm the bill that's right.

72
00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:01,520
Speaker 1: And my sister in we want to make sure that

73
00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:04,720
Speaker 1: they do the right thing. So we both wrote all bits,

74
00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:07,800
Speaker 1: which we're holding kicking when we go. I have one.

75
00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:11,400
Speaker 1: I have absolutely got one that I wrote. Nobody knows

76
00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:14,120
Speaker 1: me better than I do. I said, I don't need

77
00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:17,240
Speaker 1: a big funeral. Just make sure my opening is posted

78
00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:20,000
Speaker 1: in the New York Times and then you write, you know,

79
00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:26,760
Speaker 1: something like with thousands in attendance. The congregation mourned right.

80
00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:29,600
Speaker 1: I told my kids, I'm not gonna die in the

81
00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:33,040
Speaker 1: pandemic because you can't have a funeral. And when I go,

82
00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:36,000
Speaker 1: I want a big funeral. I want everybody coming, I

83
00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:39,839
Speaker 1: want everybody crying. I want everybody to say nice things

84
00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:42,880
Speaker 1: even if they don't mean it. If I'm around, I

85
00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:46,360
Speaker 1: want to give I'm gonna tell my kids. She's very

86
00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:50,840
Speaker 1: good at this. She does a terrific ulity. If the

87
00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:59,159
Speaker 1: podcasts you could be don't have a career, you don't

88
00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:08,760
Speaker 1: do podas Algie I called my company. And if we

89
00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:11,760
Speaker 1: can laugh about these things, what can I tell what?

90
00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:14,680
Speaker 1: I don't think I laugh with anybody like I laugh

91
00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:20,479
Speaker 1: with your reader. Okay. I was just handed a list

92
00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:24,000
Speaker 1: of part titles, and this is the first one. Part one,

93
00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:32,560
Speaker 1: How to make friends and influence people. My grandmother has

94
00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:36,680
Speaker 1: this extraordinary ability to make friends. She has stories of

95
00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:39,240
Speaker 1: seeing what a person is reading on the subway and

96
00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:42,200
Speaker 1: talking to them about it, or walking down the street

97
00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:45,400
Speaker 1: and complimenting someone on what they're wearing, and becoming friends

98
00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:48,200
Speaker 1: with my friends. And then before you know it, you're

99
00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:52,240
Speaker 1: invited to the pool, and you're invited for Thanksgiving. At

100
00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:54,839
Speaker 1: the end of the hour, I might ask you over

101
00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:57,640
Speaker 1: somehow though you still have time to talk to me.

102
00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:03,000
Speaker 1: We talk every single night. We do the crossword mini

103
00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:06,320
Speaker 1: puzzle as soon as it goes live at ten, and

104
00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:10,200
Speaker 1: we have a competition. And she would give me a handicap,

105
00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:15,200
Speaker 1: so she had to do it faster than maid to win.

106
00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:19,480
Speaker 1: She has more of a party, nightlife, sleep schedule than

107
00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:22,960
Speaker 1: I do, because I watch KOBEA and I go to

108
00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:26,640
Speaker 1: bed at ten of twelve because then my son Wretched

109
00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:30,520
Speaker 1: goals to discuss scope. And then she's up at like

110
00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:32,840
Speaker 1: eleven in the morning, and I don't come down till

111
00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:36,720
Speaker 1: twelve because it takes me three hours to get ready

112
00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:40,440
Speaker 1: when it used to take me ten minutes. And then

113
00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:44,520
Speaker 1: there are the lists. She'll make, lists about anything, list

114
00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:46,560
Speaker 1: of all her friends, list of all her kids friends,

115
00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:49,440
Speaker 1: list of all the people who help her on the house,

116
00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:51,800
Speaker 1: so she's eventually gonna owe money too one day when

117
00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:54,320
Speaker 1: she dies. And then recently she's been making a list

118
00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:57,080
Speaker 1: of all of her friends who have died, just to

119
00:07:57,200 --> 00:08:00,320
Speaker 1: compare the numbers, which I've told her she should doing

120
00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:03,080
Speaker 1: because it makes her sad, but she actually seems to

121
00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:08,280
Speaker 1: enjoy it quite a bit. But I have two replacements,

122
00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:12,760
Speaker 1: and usually the replacements are the people who have died,

123
00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:18,360
Speaker 1: their children and their grandchildren who love her. Soon Lois

124
00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:21,600
Speaker 1: will be ninety. She'd been planning her ninety birthday party

125
00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:27,040
Speaker 1: for years, but then the pandemic arrived. The governor had

126
00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:29,120
Speaker 1: stated that you could only have parties in groups of

127
00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:31,760
Speaker 1: ten or less. One of the things she mentioned was

128
00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:35,800
Speaker 1: having nine different parties of ten people, and they kind

129
00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:38,720
Speaker 1: of correspond to the list. A party of her family,

130
00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:41,880
Speaker 1: a party of her dead friend's children, a party of

131
00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:43,760
Speaker 1: all the people who help her on the house, a

132
00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:46,480
Speaker 1: party of her neighbors. I would have had a party

133
00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:52,079
Speaker 1: with my grandmother and I tell each other everything, and

134
00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:55,040
Speaker 1: in the process, we've discovered that our lives overlap in

135
00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:58,560
Speaker 1: countless ways. So we decided early on we should write

136
00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:02,559
Speaker 1: a book together. So, for example, I'll write about the

137
00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:04,880
Speaker 1: first time I was in love and will compare and

138
00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:07,320
Speaker 1: see how they are the same, see how they're different

139
00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:11,439
Speaker 1: depending on time and place. And the title is then

140
00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:19,160
Speaker 1: and Now. My grandmother has mastered the art of getting

141
00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:22,480
Speaker 1: exactly what she wants out of life. I've always thought

142
00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:24,840
Speaker 1: she must have gotten this from her parents, who seemed

143
00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:28,480
Speaker 1: to turn every situation into an advantage. I grew up

144
00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:32,719
Speaker 1: in the Bronx opposite the Yankee Stadium. They put in

145
00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:38,360
Speaker 1: night baseball for the first time, and it's shown into

146
00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:43,040
Speaker 1: my father's bedroom. And my father was an attorney, and

147
00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:46,240
Speaker 1: he wrote them a letter that he'd serve them with

148
00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:50,160
Speaker 1: an injunction if they did not turn off the lights,

149
00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:56,160
Speaker 1: and they wrote back, Mr Weinberg, you're in your legal rights,

150
00:09:56,840 --> 00:10:01,000
Speaker 1: But instead of ruining the pleasure of millions of people,

151
00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:04,439
Speaker 1: will you be our guests with your family in a

152
00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:08,760
Speaker 1: box seat every night baseball game. I wish we still

153
00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:11,800
Speaker 1: had those box seats. Things like that always seemed to

154
00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:14,040
Speaker 1: happen to you when you were growing up. And did

155
00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:18,160
Speaker 1: that make me popular? So you were like the cool

156
00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:20,040
Speaker 1: girl in the apartment building? I don't know if I

157
00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:22,880
Speaker 1: was cool. I always thought I was a drip. I

158
00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:25,439
Speaker 1: still was like a ringleader. Why do you think you

159
00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:29,360
Speaker 1: were a drip? Because I was tall? That was my

160
00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:32,920
Speaker 1: biggest hang up. I don't know. I just didn't swing

161
00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:35,440
Speaker 1: the way a lot of the girls did, and I'd

162
00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:39,400
Speaker 1: never be picked to be a cheerleader or something. You're

163
00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:46,520
Speaker 1: not a drip, Nana. I realized that now, finally she's funny.

164
00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:49,720
Speaker 1: She's really got a good sense of humor. She's moving

165
00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:53,360
Speaker 1: her life a little very nicely. The grandmother, absolutely, the

166
00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:56,360
Speaker 1: grand daughter is amazing. The things the grandmother does. You

167
00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:59,640
Speaker 1: know what I'm so interested in is that the disparity

168
00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:04,280
Speaker 1: and age and yet there's such a closeness. It's real friendship,

169
00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:07,000
Speaker 1: and I envy that. I have to say, she and

170
00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:09,520
Speaker 1: I have a lot in common. If I make a

171
00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:13,240
Speaker 1: list and go to the supermarket, I forget the list

172
00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:16,360
Speaker 1: at home, no matter what lest I make. It gives

173
00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:18,839
Speaker 1: you something to do. If you make lists, you may

174
00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:21,040
Speaker 1: have to use it, but it kind of keeps your

175
00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:24,520
Speaker 1: mind in order. You know, I do keep list to

176
00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:27,720
Speaker 1: the medications I take, for which I probably need about

177
00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:35,559
Speaker 1: four cell phones. Okay, Ellen, you know it's time for

178
00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:38,520
Speaker 1: commercial break. Okay, it's fine. It gives me time to

179
00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:41,240
Speaker 1: have a fight with Peter, a fight or a bite,

180
00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:53,080
Speaker 1: A fight, a fight, Okay. The next part is part two,

181
00:11:53,720 --> 00:12:03,160
Speaker 1: Embarrassing parents. My parents swore lawyers, including my mother, and

182
00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:07,760
Speaker 1: I was so ashamed of that because everybody else mother

183
00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:11,920
Speaker 1: was a housewife. And when I was at school, the

184
00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:16,240
Speaker 1: teacher asked everybody what their father did, and then she

185
00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:20,360
Speaker 1: went and lois, tell the children what your mother does?

186
00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:26,319
Speaker 1: And I said, she's a housewife? Wow? Really, yes, Oh

187
00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:28,760
Speaker 1: my goodness. People would think it's so cool, but she

188
00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:33,640
Speaker 1: was in this generation. And the other thing was we

189
00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:37,079
Speaker 1: had air Aide drills, and not only was she the

190
00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:42,360
Speaker 1: only woman air aid warden. She was the sector warden,

191
00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:45,959
Speaker 1: so I was ashamed of that too, but yet had

192
00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:50,080
Speaker 1: a very good relationship with her. Yeah, I don't see

193
00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:53,439
Speaker 1: me resembling either of them in my way of life.

194
00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:58,520
Speaker 1: Did somebody else entirely kind of influence? You know, you've

195
00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:01,920
Speaker 1: just sort of paved your own know, I just influenced me.

196
00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:08,200
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, your trailblazer. I went to law school

197
00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:11,120
Speaker 1: like she did, but not to be a lawyer. I

198
00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:14,640
Speaker 1: wanted to meet a guy. No, I didn't want to

199
00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:17,240
Speaker 1: be a pace set like she wants. But I think

200
00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:22,000
Speaker 1: I became one. Yeah, maybe unintentionally. You actually really admired

201
00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:26,880
Speaker 1: everything your mother did, I guess. So she ran an

202
00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:35,000
Speaker 1: international women's exposition was wartime and Eleanor Roosevelt came to speak,

203
00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:39,439
Speaker 1: and my mother asked me to escort her from the

204
00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:43,520
Speaker 1: entrance to the stage. And I didn't want to go

205
00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:47,640
Speaker 1: take some old lady there, and she said, if you

206
00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:53,000
Speaker 1: don't do this, you'll regret it all your life. So

207
00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:58,160
Speaker 1: I did it, and she did nothing but asked me

208
00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:03,480
Speaker 1: about myself all the way to the stage. How my

209
00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:12,120
Speaker 1: mother was right. I'm still telling people Eleanorman FD are

210
00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:16,880
Speaker 1: unbelievable couple. Unbelievable. She actually was his you know, his

211
00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:19,880
Speaker 1: legs in the world. She went all over and brought

212
00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:22,560
Speaker 1: back all the information she was. She was really like

213
00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:25,720
Speaker 1: the seer good President. She was a woman way before

214
00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:30,200
Speaker 1: her time, way before her time. Absolutely, that's something she'll

215
00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:33,040
Speaker 1: always have as a memory. And you know what it means.

216
00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:35,920
Speaker 1: You got to take advantage of things in life, no

217
00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:39,120
Speaker 1: matter when. Just go with it. That's what makes life.

218
00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:42,200
Speaker 1: You gotta hang on to every experience because you'll never

219
00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:46,000
Speaker 1: know when you're doing a podcast that's right, that's right,

220
00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:52,600
Speaker 1: And I'm terrific. Imagine to be ashamed to be a lawyer, unbelievable.

221
00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:55,760
Speaker 1: It just shows you how times have changed. And as

222
00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:58,200
Speaker 1: I said once before on the podcast, I would have

223
00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:00,400
Speaker 1: loved to been a lawyer, and I think Guy would

224
00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:03,000
Speaker 1: have been good, but it just was not an option.

225
00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:07,200
Speaker 1: Look at RBG. She couldn't even get a job when

226
00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:10,960
Speaker 1: she got out of top law schools number one in

227
00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:14,840
Speaker 1: Harvard Law. Now Columbia Law. She got out of Columbia Law.

228
00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:20,720
Speaker 1: So times have changed. Women have the opportunity today, Yes, yes,

229
00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:26,680
Speaker 1: And now we're gonna see in part three how Lois

230
00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:30,200
Speaker 1: met her husband. I'm always curious about how people make

231
00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:34,280
Speaker 1: their husbands. This should be very interesting. So you're a

232
00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:36,720
Speaker 1: third grade teacher at the time, and a new third

233
00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:39,720
Speaker 1: grade teacher at a different school asked for your advice

234
00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:42,360
Speaker 1: on what to teach her students, and she was really

235
00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:46,680
Speaker 1: impressed with your lesson plans. The teacher there said, oh,

236
00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:51,520
Speaker 1: my nephew would love a girl like that. So she

237
00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:54,320
Speaker 1: asked me and I said, I don't go on a

238
00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:58,000
Speaker 1: blind date. She said, he has a drug store on

239
00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:01,840
Speaker 1: Hunt five screen. We could go up and look him over.

240
00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:04,800
Speaker 1: So you and your friend Esther went to the pharmacy

241
00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:08,000
Speaker 1: to introduce yourselves to Lenny. And after a brief exchange,

242
00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:11,360
Speaker 1: you left the pharmacy and my grandfather had you followed

243
00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:14,240
Speaker 1: by his delivery boy. And what was it you said

244
00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:18,760
Speaker 1: to Esther? I said to her, not bad, not bad.

245
00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:22,320
Speaker 1: And then the delivery boy brought the message back to

246
00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:25,680
Speaker 1: my grandfather at the pharmacy. He said to Lenny, they

247
00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:29,960
Speaker 1: say not bad, not bad. A few weeks after that,

248
00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:32,520
Speaker 1: Esther ran into Lenny at a bar mitzvah they both

249
00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:35,280
Speaker 1: happened to be invited to, and has just said to him,

250
00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:38,000
Speaker 1: what did you think of the girl I brought in

251
00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:43,440
Speaker 1: the drug store? And he said, not bad, not bad.

252
00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:47,960
Speaker 1: So Esther wrote Lois his name on a napkin and

253
00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:51,440
Speaker 1: handed it to Lenny. But there was another woman at

254
00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:54,880
Speaker 1: the party who wanted Lenny for her daughter. She wrote

255
00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:57,480
Speaker 1: her daughter's name on a napkin too and handed it

256
00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:00,800
Speaker 1: to him, and as fate would have it, in all

257
00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:05,520
Speaker 1: of this napkin transferring, he lost the other napkin and

258
00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:09,600
Speaker 1: then he called. This was all sounding very promising. He

259
00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:13,000
Speaker 1: was terrific as a date. So he took me up

260
00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:16,480
Speaker 1: to Connecticut and he brought an easel and made sketches

261
00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:19,119
Speaker 1: of it, and he took me ice skating, and he

262
00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:23,000
Speaker 1: took me to theater, and he was very imaginative. Now

263
00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:27,520
Speaker 1: I liked my courtship, my court and I really began

264
00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:30,719
Speaker 1: to like him. But there was a problem. He had

265
00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:35,320
Speaker 1: never been in the service, and nobody in those days

266
00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:39,840
Speaker 1: that was dating me and served in the service. And

267
00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:43,840
Speaker 1: he looked perfectly healthy. And I said, did you ever

268
00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:49,000
Speaker 1: spend time in a mental institution? And he said, I

269
00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:53,000
Speaker 1: took you to theater and dancing, and you think I'm crazy.

270
00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:57,440
Speaker 1: And it turned out that he had puncture ear drums

271
00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:02,280
Speaker 1: since he was five, and those days they didn't put

272
00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:07,119
Speaker 1: you into service if you weren't, you know, perfect, He

273
00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:11,479
Speaker 1: asked me to marry him. The next day he called

274
00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:14,879
Speaker 1: and said his mother said it was too soon. He

275
00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:18,320
Speaker 1: didn't know me long enough, so we should call it off.

276
00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:21,320
Speaker 1: So I did, and I made a date with somebody

277
00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:24,639
Speaker 1: else that weekend. Wow, you were not waiting for anyone,

278
00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:28,399
Speaker 1: but there were two people in between. Um what, I

279
00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:31,160
Speaker 1: didn't even know that. Oh my gosh. All right, well,

280
00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:35,000
Speaker 1: you've certainly met your fair share of men, and Lenny

281
00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:38,280
Speaker 1: at the pharmacy still wanted to see you. I said

282
00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:40,160
Speaker 1: to him, I have to do it in two weeks,

283
00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:42,800
Speaker 1: because I told the other guy i'd go out with

284
00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:46,280
Speaker 1: him next week. Apparently my grandfather was okay with this,

285
00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:48,399
Speaker 1: because you kept your date with the new guy to

286
00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:51,840
Speaker 1: go dancing, and you had a great time. Right, But

287
00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:55,080
Speaker 1: you did save the following weekend for my grandfather. I

288
00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:58,359
Speaker 1: played with his nephew and nine month old baby, and

289
00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:01,800
Speaker 1: he watched me, and he's said, are you gonna marry me?

290
00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:05,359
Speaker 1: On that she went to her friend Hilda for advice.

291
00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:09,840
Speaker 1: She said, what was a burdenhand is worth two in

292
00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:15,320
Speaker 1: the bush. Three months later, she married my grandfather and

293
00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:22,800
Speaker 1: wanted to change his mind. Wow. The minute I heard that,

294
00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:24,760
Speaker 1: the mother thought it was too soon. That would have

295
00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:28,639
Speaker 1: been the kiss of death for me. She's alright, she

296
00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:32,120
Speaker 1: she went out, held him on the side. She shrewd,

297
00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:37,400
Speaker 1: she knows how to play the angles. She won by default.

298
00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:44,720
Speaker 1: He went out of the running. The other guy his

299
00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:51,399
Speaker 1: napkin went down the toilet. That was the end of

300
00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:57,680
Speaker 1: that match. I can't add anything to that. She was sensible,

301
00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:00,159
Speaker 1: you know. She know a good steady guy of that

302
00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:03,040
Speaker 1: at a drug store and would always make a living.

303
00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:06,800
Speaker 1: My husband was a blind date. Phil was also a

304
00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:10,159
Speaker 1: blind day. A friend of mine worked in an office

305
00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:14,280
Speaker 1: with Phil's sister. Let's tell you he wore an outfit

306
00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:20,000
Speaker 1: that should have worn the he had to the day

307
00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:22,879
Speaker 1: when he died. He had the worst taste and quote.

308
00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:30,200
Speaker 1: Next on the list is part four, to work or

309
00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:33,040
Speaker 1: not to work? And I think Lois had her own

310
00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:39,320
Speaker 1: ideas about this. Did you get this sense, Nana, that

311
00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:42,760
Speaker 1: he would support you as a working woman or did

312
00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:44,720
Speaker 1: he need to be kind of worked on at all?

313
00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:50,040
Speaker 1: I'm the least feminist woman walking on God. I didn't

314
00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:53,480
Speaker 1: want to work at all. The only reason I went

315
00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:57,040
Speaker 1: back was all the other women did, so we couldn't

316
00:20:57,080 --> 00:21:00,480
Speaker 1: just live on one income if everyone was living on too.

317
00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:04,119
Speaker 1: Did you get the sense that he would support you? Know?

318
00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:08,080
Speaker 1: I hope so, I assumed so he did. In my opinion,

319
00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:11,719
Speaker 1: I thought he'd own a chain of drug stores. But oh,

320
00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:15,600
Speaker 1: he didn't live up your expectations on that way. So

321
00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:18,320
Speaker 1: for a woman who didn't want to work, you certainly

322
00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:21,080
Speaker 1: put a lot of energy into preparing yourself for the

323
00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:26,000
Speaker 1: working world. You transferred schools so many times, five times,

324
00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:29,600
Speaker 1: and I decided to go to law school. I was

325
00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:32,800
Speaker 1: very good at it, but I didn't like to do paperwork,

326
00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:36,760
Speaker 1: so I took the master's in education and loved it.

327
00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:39,400
Speaker 1: So but tell us about how you landed your first

328
00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:41,680
Speaker 1: teaching job. Wasn't it that you were on your way

329
00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:45,399
Speaker 1: to interview at an ad agency, but then you got

330
00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:48,359
Speaker 1: sidetracked by the sounds of kids in a schoolyard. I

331
00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:51,679
Speaker 1: went in and said to the principle that I walk around,

332
00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:55,480
Speaker 1: that I had this teaching license, and I told the

333
00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:59,960
Speaker 1: children the story of Katie note pockets without a book.

334
00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:03,360
Speaker 1: And when I came out, she said, someone's going out

335
00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:07,679
Speaker 1: on maternity. Would you like a job here? Oh my gosh,

336
00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:11,080
Speaker 1: That's how I got my first staging job. But just

337
00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:15,840
Speaker 1: as your career was getting underway, I got pregnant and

338
00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:20,160
Speaker 1: the minute I told them, they made me leave that day.

339
00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:25,399
Speaker 1: What they wouldn't let children see that you were pregnant. Wow,

340
00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:29,400
Speaker 1: so we've come a long way, baby. You can't say

341
00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:32,400
Speaker 1: we've come a long way baby if you're not a feminist.

342
00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:35,760
Speaker 1: This must have been a serious financial blow to your family.

343
00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:38,680
Speaker 1: At the time, I didn't think of it that way.

344
00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:43,160
Speaker 1: I just loved what I was doing. I was disappointing, right,

345
00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:46,200
Speaker 1: But you just said a minute ago you never even

346
00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:48,560
Speaker 1: wanted to work in the first place. So if it

347
00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:51,320
Speaker 1: wasn't a financial necessity, why did you care? And I

348
00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:54,240
Speaker 1: have no one to play with, So it was more

349
00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:57,359
Speaker 1: because you would have been bored. I don't know if

350
00:22:57,359 --> 00:23:00,159
Speaker 1: it was like actually out of you needed them. No,

351
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:03,200
Speaker 1: it was both. It was And that's how I put

352
00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:06,920
Speaker 1: in the swimming pool. I saved my first year's salary

353
00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:11,000
Speaker 1: swimming put in the pool, which we still use today.

354
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:17,040
Speaker 1: I was a teacher when I got pregnant with my

355
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:21,840
Speaker 1: first child, and I was allowed to work as long

356
00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:24,600
Speaker 1: as I didn't show, But after that I had to

357
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:28,480
Speaker 1: stay home. Today, you even had women not doing newscasts

358
00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:33,520
Speaker 1: on the television with pregnant bellies doesn't matter which is Listen.

359
00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:37,440
Speaker 1: It's normal, it's nature, it's life, and there's nothing talk

360
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:43,600
Speaker 1: to be ashamed of to be pregnant. Absolutely. Okay, Wait,

361
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:46,800
Speaker 1: it's time to shut our mouths and let somebody else talk.

362
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:49,439
Speaker 1: It's time for a commercial. Well you need it, Ellen,

363
00:23:49,480 --> 00:24:00,280
Speaker 1: I need a little water to wet my whistle. Go ahead, guys, Okay.

364
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:03,520
Speaker 1: Next on my list is part five, doing what you

365
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,840
Speaker 1: want with your time as a mother. You really don't

366
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 1: have your own time. Either I was working or I

367
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 1: was with my children. Time was something that was very precious.

368
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:19,520
Speaker 1: Let's see what Lois does with her time. Tell about

369
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:22,400
Speaker 1: the whole parallel life you lived in the theater while

370
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 1: raising your kids. I played the old stripper and gypsy

371
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:31,920
Speaker 1: and the Jewish mother income blow your horn in the

372
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:36,879
Speaker 1: same month, and I dare Meryl Streep to do that.

373
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:39,760
Speaker 1: So who was putting my mom and her siblings to bed?

374
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:45,000
Speaker 1: I think they put themselves to bed? Oh my gosh.

375
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:49,240
Speaker 1: And you developed a gifted program at the school you

376
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:52,440
Speaker 1: taught at, which is actually still in place today. Did

377
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:55,840
Speaker 1: you bring home some of those lessons to your own kids? No,

378
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:59,160
Speaker 1: I was so tired of the other kids. I didn't

379
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:03,359
Speaker 1: do that. How I did read them stories or take

380
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,639
Speaker 1: them to theater. Oh and also I put them in

381
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 1: my plays. David was in Sound of Music. He was

382
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 1: one of the things, and I was one of the things,

383
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 1: you mean, one of the kids. And I was a

384
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:23,240
Speaker 1: frau Schmidt, the housekeeper. I hear other people talk about

385
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:27,160
Speaker 1: how involved they were with their kids. I was involved

386
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:30,840
Speaker 1: with me at least. You're honest. A lot of parents

387
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,439
Speaker 1: signed their kids up for like all these different activities,

388
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 1: and you were kind of just like, do whatever you want,

389
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 1: go out in the traffic and play. Oh my gosh,

390
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:42,360
Speaker 1: but look how wonderful they turned out. They did turn out. Well.

391
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:46,120
Speaker 1: Do our values and ideas about how to live life

392
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 1: match your own, Well, they're different because we're a different generation. Yeah,

393
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:53,639
Speaker 1: like you people are all hung up on careers and

394
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 1: women first and all that. Oh yeah, what a bummer.

395
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:02,880
Speaker 1: Women first, you're creating a bed to lie in. You're

396
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 1: making your life hard. Why because you gotta worry about

397
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:12,240
Speaker 1: careers and having families at the same time, and whether

398
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:15,160
Speaker 1: to marry or not, and whether the woman can make

399
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:18,159
Speaker 1: more than the man. You've got a bunch of problems

400
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 1: for no good reason. My god, everyone thinks i'd be

401
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 1: a feminist. Who thinks that? Most people think that because

402
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 1: I'm so independent? Well not your own grandchildren. And my mother,

403
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 1: the lawyer, wasn't a feminist. You raised a feminist, Yes

404
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 1: I did, and she raised in feminists she did. What

405
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 1: a shame? Did you have any problem with the way

406
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 1: women were treated in your younger years. I'm so egotistical,

407
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 1: only kid how I was treated. I don't think women

408
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:56,159
Speaker 1: would treat it badly at all. Had a good racket,

409
00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 1: make three meals and then you can do whatever you want.

410
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 1: Oh manna, No, I'm much rather have been a woman

411
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:10,120
Speaker 1: in my twenties than when you people are. Yeah, why well,

412
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 1: first of all, I want to get married, and you

413
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 1: people take forever to get married. A few people you

414
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:21,719
Speaker 1: like to go to work, and I didn't. You're always

415
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 1: fighting for some women's rights and I didn't have to.

416
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:30,200
Speaker 1: You didn't have to. You chose not to both. I

417
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:33,640
Speaker 1: didn't know them, you didn't know that they needed them.

418
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,879
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you're so confusing because you've lived your

419
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 1: life in such a progressive way and then you say

420
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 1: things like that, that's the contradiction. This is a hard question, Ellen,

421
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 1: and I feel I'm a feminist and I'm all for

422
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 1: you girls having a career and being equally equal. But

423
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:59,359
Speaker 1: it's hard. I mean, you're raising kids, you get keeping

424
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:03,159
Speaker 1: a job, and you're going through a to college for

425
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:07,160
Speaker 1: a career. You know, she's got a point their lowess.

426
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 1: I understand what she's saying. I'm not agreeing with her,

427
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,360
Speaker 1: but you have to admit it's easy. It's staying home

428
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:18,639
Speaker 1: with the kids, cooking not more satisfying. Probably, I don't know.

429
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,400
Speaker 1: I don't think I missed the boat somewhere. I think

430
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 1: that women who are are working and have have a

431
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:29,200
Speaker 1: family and whatever, they have a full rich like. It

432
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 1: may be busy and it may be chaotic, but it's

433
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:36,359
Speaker 1: fulfilling if they're doing what they want to do. I

434
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 1: don't know. We still carry a lot of old fish

435
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 1: and ideas. You know, this girl Jane sounds just like

436
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 1: my Rachel. She's a real feminist activist. Or she has

437
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 1: fights with her mother all the time. That's you, that's

438
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 1: just youth. And now we've come to part six, from

439
00:28:55,080 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 1: mother to grandmother? Are you proud of where all of

440
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 1: them have ended up? All of your kids. Absolutely, and

441
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 1: with all my neglect, every friend says I have the

442
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 1: best batch of ale. Yeah, you do have good kids, phenomenal.

443
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 1: What about your grandchildren? I have strong relationships with all

444
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 1: of them, and I'm crazy about all of them. Are

445
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 1: you proud of where all three of us have ended up?

446
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 1: So proud? Well? Have we taught you anything? Are we

447
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 1: go again with one of your hard questions? Oh? Like? What? Like? Maybe?

448
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 1: Like how to be more politically correct? For you told

449
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 1: me that I can't say models. Why you said sold fashion?

450
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 1: You still say it. I can't help but say it

451
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 1: because I think you're models. What's your best advice to

452
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 1: someone who wants to take full advantage of a life's

453
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 1: opportunity to whatever you want? Don't go fighting a course,

454
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 1: fight your own, fight your own cause, all right, live

455
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 1: your life to the fullest everyone. Oh, absolutely, because you

456
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 1: only come through this way once. So do whatever you

457
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 1: want and don't work if you don't have to. I guess,

458
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 1: oh that's a prime requirement. Thank you, and thank you

459
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 1: for giving me this opportunity to be the center of attention,

460
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 1: because I have to just tell you that one of

461
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 1: the people who directed me was yelling and criticizing, and

462
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 1: somebody said, you're awfully hard on Lois, and she said, no,

463
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 1: Lois doesn't care as long as you talk about her,

464
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 1: So thank you. Just wait, Liz virus is over. He

465
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 1: helped form one of my biggest parties. I know. Well,

466
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 1: let me tell you, I made thirteen marriages. Did you

467
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 1: need a more liberal plan? No, Nanna, You're a perfect

468
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 1: grandmother and you're a perfect granddaughter, isn't she. Well, she's

469
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 1: sort of a little outrageous, she's you know, but she's

470
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 1: gotten through with the love of her children and more

471
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 1: than the love of her grandchildren. So it worked. Absolutely.

472
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 1: She just is who she is. Yeah, she's not offending anybody. No,

473
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 1: I'd say, good for her. Say what do you want

474
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 1: about me? That's me, right, Rita. I have never heard

475
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 1: anybody say anything but wonderful things about you. Okay, but

476
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 1: don't put this on the podcast. I'm embarrassed. Don't be

477
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 1: embarrassed if I had said everybody says terrible things about you.

478
00:31:49,080 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 1: That I call Your Grandmother is a production of I

479
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 1: Heart Radio and Superb Entertainment. The hosts of the show

480
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 1: are Me readA Ka and me Ellen Bernstein. Grotzky created

481
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 1: by Narrow Poster, produced and directed by Annistum, with producer

482
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 1: Abu zafar An, associate producer Emily Marinot, managing producer Lindsey Hoffman,

483
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 1: and executive producers are Loo Poster, Nikki Etre and Mangeshkakatikador.

484
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 1: Music and mastering by Hamilton Lighthouser and Annistum. Listen, we

485
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 1: can now start to lobby for a bus to bring

486
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 1: us to a town near you. Just leave a big

487
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 1: review and we can start to lobby for that fuss.

488
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 1: We'll bring something hot to eat too. It's either chopped

489
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 1: limber like the filter Fisher. My kids don't like chop Lifford.

490
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 1: My kid right, chop Liard. So what do you want?

491
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 1: My kids like accaroni and cheese. That's hard to eat

492
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 1: on a butts. Ellen, Yeah,