Speaker 1: We're rolling. Thank you, Mitch. All right, we have an
Speaker 1: emergency podcast, so K, if you don't mind, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: lay the groundwork for what happened yesterday, if that's okay. Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: So yesterday our Tyler Hubbard podcast came out and uh,
Speaker 1: your wife reached out to my wife and asked for
Speaker 1: her phone number for my phone number. Yeah, you within
Speaker 1: I don't know ninety seconds of that phone number being
Speaker 1: received by your wife. I had my phone was ringing.
Speaker 1: BK gets on the phone, He's like, listen, well, my
Speaker 1: hertsepound right now. Kind of like re saying it all
Speaker 1: because when you we as want to say, hey, man,
Speaker 1: how's it going, with a lot of compliments like hey,
Speaker 1: love your show, love you guys, and I know something's coming,
Speaker 1: like the way you're kind of building me up. I
Speaker 1: knew something was was headed my way. Shit sandwich, this
Speaker 1: shit sandwich, right, something positive positive, negative positive, and you
Speaker 1: kind of get lost in the meat. So you called.
Speaker 1: Obviously there were things about that podcast that you didn't
Speaker 1: believe to be the truth, and that you said You've
Speaker 1: been quiet for a long time and you love the
Speaker 1: opportunity to say your side of the which is that's
Speaker 1: what Bustling with the Boys is all about. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: also said on that podcast that I said some things
Speaker 1: about you that were disrespectful to me. I immediately once
Speaker 1: we hung up the phone, first say it was called Well,
Speaker 1: second thing I did. He'll get on the YouTube and
Speaker 1: start watching that clip and the clip that you refer to,
Speaker 1: and Mitch, I hope you play that back.
Speaker 2: What happened beyond the way with you and BK? That's
Speaker 2: like to where Florida Georgia line can't be forever?
Speaker 3: Yeah, a good question. I mean, for me, it was
Speaker 3: really unexpected. But BK came to me and said, man,
Speaker 3: I'm really feeling like I want to do a solo thing.
Speaker 3: And I'm like really, I'm like, we were just getting
Speaker 3: out of our first deal. We were kind of in
Speaker 3: a sweet spot that we had worked for ten years
Speaker 3: to get to, and I'm like, bro, like, why don't
Speaker 3: we just ride this thing out for like five more years,
Speaker 3: ten more years and then we can do the solo
Speaker 3: thing or whatever. But again, like I wanted to support him,
Speaker 3: he was adamant like now now's my time. I really
Speaker 3: need to do this for myself. And I'm like, well, hey,
Speaker 3: whatever you need to do, Bro, Like, what do you
Speaker 3: want from me? He's like, I just want support. So
Speaker 3: I'm like, all right, you got it, Bro, Like we've
Speaker 3: had an incredible ride. This is where it's going to go. Like,
Speaker 3: let's do it, and you prush it and you never know,
Speaker 3: maybe it'll bring us back together and we can have
Speaker 3: a reunion tour or whatever. But it was he definitely
Speaker 3: initiated the whole thing from the beginning, and it kind
Speaker 3: of when I say, caught me off guard. It wasn't
Speaker 3: that we had never mentioned it before. It's just one
Speaker 3: of those things where I didn't think then. I didn't
Speaker 3: think it was gonna happen then. You know what I
Speaker 3: mean is we're.
Speaker 1: Talking about the breakup and if I see what you
Speaker 1: see when you're looking at through the lens of what
Speaker 1: your main storyline here is with you and Tyler. But
Speaker 1: when I'm talking to Will about if Will did this,
Speaker 1: if I did this to Will, Will would probably be
Speaker 1: like you piece of shit. I was I'm the burger guy,
Speaker 1: You're just a toppings guy, which from the storyline, because
Speaker 1: I'm putting myself in a headspace of Will andized relationship,
Speaker 1: not yours. In Tyler's I'm putting myself in a headspace
Speaker 1: of how much Will does for the bus in the
Speaker 1: back end as opposed to how much I do, and
Speaker 1: all of that kind of the ins and outs of
Speaker 1: how willanized relationship works. And I'm kind of just trying
Speaker 1: to make a humor out of a situation that's uncomfortable
Speaker 1: for everybody to see on a bus. So with that,
Speaker 1: I want you to know that Busting with the Boys
Speaker 1: is not here to ever attack you or attack anybody
Speaker 1: my opinions. Will's opinion is never going to be made
Speaker 1: by what other people say about People's gonna be out
Speaker 1: the interactions that we have with people. That's going to
Speaker 1: dictate how we feel about them. So as long as
Speaker 1: you feel good about that, brother, we can get right
Speaker 1: into it.
Speaker 4: No, I appreciate it. And thanks for thanks for answering
Speaker 4: the call and getting me on here. Man, I've been
Speaker 4: wanting to get on here for years. And uh, you know,
Speaker 4: great to be able to clarify some things, and and
Speaker 4: also you know, I got an album coming out in
Speaker 4: two days, so great timing.
Speaker 2: Forget the Kendrick Lamar and Drake Beef.
Speaker 1: Some f g L and we had to get these
Speaker 1: some Southern beef going off country beef. Man, Uh, where
Speaker 1: do you want to start?
Speaker 4: I mean, how do y'all want to start it? Like,
Speaker 4: I'm open minded to be I didn't really come with
Speaker 4: an agenda, you know, I just I wanted to be
Speaker 4: able to have an open conversation, and you know, I
Speaker 4: guess I could start it off, but you know I
Speaker 4: had multiple you know, friends and family and fans kind
Speaker 4: of reach out and pass you know, some clips over
Speaker 4: and then the episode and you know, really at the
Speaker 4: end of the day, you know, for the fans sake,
Speaker 4: the ones that have paid money to you know, see
Speaker 4: Tyler and I and support us over the years, hard
Speaker 4: earned money for concert tickets, CDs, vinyl records, merch you know,
Speaker 4: my family, my mom and dad are family friends. You know.
Speaker 4: I think it's important to you know, shed some light
Speaker 4: on you know, my experience and what it was like
Speaker 4: going through that for me and not just one side
Speaker 4: of the story. And so I appreciate the outlet to
Speaker 4: be able to come here in a place where I'm
Speaker 4: fans of y'all. Like again, I watch y'all some of
Speaker 4: the jelly roll earnest things or something. I haven't laughed
Speaker 4: that hard in a long time man, like I really
Speaker 4: enjoyed the show. So I was a little taken back
Speaker 4: yesterday just on some of the things. And I hear
Speaker 4: after talking to you, what you're saying. But you know,
Speaker 4: I would love to give some light on just kind
Speaker 4: of the scenario, on kind of how some of that
Speaker 4: went down. And I wouldn't even call it a beef thing.
Speaker 4: I don't think this is really a beef situation, but
Speaker 4: I do. I do think it's important to speak my
Speaker 4: truth and to you know, at the same time, stand
Speaker 4: up for myself, you know, because it's not just him
Speaker 4: that was FGL. You know, there's two of us, and
Speaker 4: that's that's what made it so special. So to kind
Speaker 4: of start, you guys are.
Speaker 2: On the top too, and so when this is all
Speaker 2: unfolding and you're kind of just hearing through the grapevine
Speaker 2: that oh there's something going on, like there's not. I
Speaker 2: don't think FGL they're gonna they're gonna be a band
Speaker 2: or a crew anymore. And then you guys go to
Speaker 2: the solo route. I do feel like everybody's curious on
Speaker 2: what happens. So when we have Tyler on, like me,
Speaker 2: I only know I know Tyler through Taylor. So when
Speaker 2: we're sitting here listening to Tyler and referring to that
Speaker 2: clip and everything else, like I'm just taking whatever is
Speaker 2: being said. It's like he's the only one that I'm
Speaker 2: hearing from.
Speaker 4: No, I totally get it. I totally get that. I'm
Speaker 4: I'm understanding of that, you know, to kind of start, uh,
Speaker 4: you know, when we kind of referencing, you know, how
Speaker 4: we got to you know, I heard b K and
Speaker 4: my name kind of thrown out quite a bit, and
Speaker 4: just to give some clarity, you know, back to you know,
Speaker 4: b K wanted a solo career to clarify that. You know,
Speaker 4: I'm a songwriter. You know, I moved to Nashville to
Speaker 4: write songs. We ended up in a duo and I'm
Speaker 4: forever grateful for what we were able to do. Man,
Speaker 4: we had magic, amazing fans, We went on a hell
Speaker 4: of a ride. I'm forever grateful for that, and just
Speaker 4: what a time.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: So we've had that, We've had the conversation of having
Speaker 4: extra outlets since twenty sixteen and then every every two
Speaker 4: years after that, meaning you know I had voice that
Speaker 4: you know, I want to obviously keep doing FGL. But
Speaker 4: for me, you know, in my off time, when songwriters
Speaker 4: creatives are alone, you find even more of yourself and
Speaker 4: there's gonna be songs over the years that just being
Speaker 4: a songwriter, you know, I'm gonna write that aren't gonna
Speaker 4: fit the brand of FGL right, And so it was
Speaker 4: important for me to you know, continue to honor my craft,
Speaker 4: my my artistry, my songwriting, and so you know, I
Speaker 4: had voice that for a long time. And you know,
Speaker 4: we kind of made a deal, you know where once
Speaker 4: our fifth record is done, our terms up. You know,
Speaker 4: we're gonna create more freedom for ourselves. We're gonna keep
Speaker 4: FGL going, We're gonna you know, put out some solo stuff.
Speaker 4: So it wasn't a surprise because the marker was was
Speaker 4: in place of once our deal came up. And I
Speaker 4: want you guys to know, and I want the fans
Speaker 4: to know. You know, we were trailblazers and I was
Speaker 4: a part of that. You know, I had an idea
Speaker 4: that when our deal came up, you know, we could
Speaker 4: Tyler would get a solo deal under the same label.
Speaker 4: I would get a record deal, and then we would
Speaker 4: renegotiate a new record deal and something you know, I've
Speaker 4: talked to many industry you know, record label heads, and
Speaker 4: they talk about this ten year transformation. And we had,
Speaker 4: you know, a solid ten years of commercial success. And
Speaker 4: you know, how do you go from where we were
Speaker 4: the next ten years? What does that look like? And
Speaker 4: honoring not only myself, you know, my songwriting, but his songwriting.
Speaker 4: He's a great songwriter. He's had songs cut by other
Speaker 4: artists that I have nothing to do with, and vice versa.
Speaker 4: And you know that fueled the group, and that fueled
Speaker 4: both of us. Was waking up every day hunting down
Speaker 4: songs and ideas, and you know, for to have another
Speaker 4: trailblazing idea. My idea was, hey, let's keep everything going
Speaker 4: and let's do a three hour set, no openers, let's
Speaker 4: do solo songs, Let's do FGL songs and be under
Speaker 4: the same umbrella and nothing changes. And so watching the
Speaker 4: episode yesterday, you know, just so casual that you know,
Speaker 4: he just he wanted to do FGL two. I wanted
Speaker 4: to do it all. You know, I didn't think that
Speaker 4: was out of bounds. You look at Lady A. You know,
Speaker 4: Hillary does some solo records in the Christian space. Charles
Speaker 4: Kelly has done some solo stuff. He does some shows,
Speaker 4: and I love how that operates. I think that's pretty
Speaker 4: special that you can you can honor yourself and you
Speaker 4: can honor what you've built and you can continue forward.
Speaker 4: So that's the mindset that I had. It wasn't just
Speaker 4: I have to have a solo career. I would word
Speaker 4: it as I wanted a solo outlet as a creative,
Speaker 4: as a songwriter. So that's just I wanted to reshape.
Speaker 4: You know that that part of the story for you guys,
Speaker 4: because you know, I put a lot of thought into
Speaker 4: what that could look like. You know, I had a
Speaker 4: lot of conversations. I wrote out a pretty detailed plan,
Speaker 4: and I don't think it's emotional. You know, it doesn't
Speaker 4: have to be emotional. I was listening to things that
Speaker 4: you know, it gets sticky about what songs go where.
Speaker 4: I think it's easy to figure out it's it's it's
Speaker 4: not emotional thing for me. When we're talking about business
Speaker 4: and creativity and going forward and also, man, what we
Speaker 4: had and what we built in a short amount of time,
Speaker 4: people would give their entire lives for and some people
Speaker 4: never get to that place. So I don't ever want
Speaker 4: to downplay the success and everything that we built. It
Speaker 4: means a lot to me. It still does. It's very
Speaker 4: important and you know, like made a lot of history,
Speaker 4: made a lot of memories. There's a great brotherhood there
Speaker 4: and you know, so it's not some casual you know,
Speaker 4: I wanted just to go off on my own. It
Speaker 4: was very intentional about a new plan. How do we
Speaker 4: genre bend, how do we trailblaze for another ten years?
Speaker 2: Right right, because you're right thinking you were getting to
Speaker 2: the end of this was it the fifth record or.
Speaker 4: The fifth record?
Speaker 2: You're coming up on a deal and you're thinking the
Speaker 2: way we've exploded something that you've been intentional about since
Speaker 2: was the twenty sixteen and kind of put pen the
Speaker 2: paper and everything else. In your mind, you're thinking, do
Speaker 2: we just do the same thing and we think it's
Speaker 2: going to carry or in your brain, how do we
Speaker 2: kind of branch off for platform and leverage that we've
Speaker 2: created to also you know, benefit ourselves and put it
Speaker 2: all together, not benefit ourselves separately, but benefit ourselves and
Speaker 2: like put everything together to make it seem like what
Speaker 2: can we do different to add to our shadows our concerts?
Speaker 4: For sure? How do we show our talents and our
Speaker 4: brand and ourselves in a different way that nobody's seen before.
Speaker 4: So I thought that was a really good idea. And
Speaker 4: obviously we couldn't, you know, really, at the end of
Speaker 4: the day, agree on what that looked like. But I
Speaker 4: just think it's important for people to know that I
Speaker 4: didn't leave FGL. I didn't want to just do solo
Speaker 4: and half ass FGL and y'all talked about, well, you know,
Speaker 4: what would happen if a solo show came up for
Speaker 4: me and an FGL show. It's the same thing with
Speaker 4: y'all's podcast when y'all were still playing. It's like, my
Speaker 4: main job is my main job. What I do with
Speaker 4: my off time is my time, right, just like y'all,
Speaker 4: And so you know, I was also curious about what
Speaker 4: the conversation looked like with Rabes. You know, when you
Speaker 4: guys wanted to do a podcast, and I know you
Speaker 4: guys can relate to what you know, probably I was.
Speaker 4: I was feeling, and I felt of wanting wanting to
Speaker 4: do more and wanting to create more. Man, you know,
Speaker 4: I'm an entrepreneur, I'm a songwriter, I'm an artist. Me
Speaker 4: and my wife have multiple businesses together. Tyler and I
Speaker 4: had multiple things running, you know, a great publishing company,
Speaker 4: giving songwriters a voice and helping shape their creative talents.
Speaker 4: And so we had a lot of irons in the
Speaker 4: fire and having a lot of fun at it. So
Speaker 4: it was really nothing new in a sense, but that's
Speaker 4: kind of where I wanted to start.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, well let's let's so just for clarity,
Speaker 1: when was that fifth album done? When was that the end?
Speaker 4: What year was that we turned it? In May of
Speaker 4: We turned that album in May of twenty twenty, so
Speaker 4: it didn't come out till February. And I also, I
Speaker 4: also would love to hit on this too. I think
Speaker 4: it's important because I've read a lot of articles that
Speaker 4: have some facts in there and some truth, and then
Speaker 4: some are just not not on the timeline, you know.
Speaker 4: For what it's worth, I just want to be factual here.
Speaker 4: You know, Tyler had solo music out before I even did,
Speaker 4: you know, before we even got our fifth album out.
Speaker 4: You know, he had released a couple of songs. He
Speaker 4: had played Biden's inauguration, which was a huge look to
Speaker 4: be a solo act with Tim McGraw. He had released
Speaker 4: another song and you know, my I didn't start releasing
Speaker 4: music till April. So I just think that's that's I'd
Speaker 4: love for fans and anybody listening to know that's the truth.
Speaker 4: He was rocking at radio immediately, you know, top of
Speaker 4: January of twenty twenty one, and I didn't get music
Speaker 4: out till April, and then the album in June. And
Speaker 4: you know, I created Sunshine State of Mind with a
Speaker 4: sonic respect of what we had built. And also I
Speaker 4: created Sunshine State of Mind in a time it's all good,
Speaker 4: in a time where the world was shut down, you know.
Speaker 4: Like I've always dove into songwriting and the highs and
Speaker 4: lows of life. When life is good, I want to
Speaker 4: write when life is bad or in between, I'm going
Speaker 4: to write. And so it helped me get through a
Speaker 4: hard time, you know, of being able to dive into
Speaker 4: songs that aren't going to fit on the FGL record,
Speaker 4: but songs that I can you know, that are authentic
Speaker 4: to me and just get my voice out there. And
Speaker 4: it was, you know, a passion project. Now now it's
Speaker 4: a career, you know what I'm saying. It wasn't supposed
Speaker 4: to be a career, but I have I through a
Speaker 4: chain of events of some of what you heard. You know,
Speaker 4: I wasn't able to do both right, and but your
Speaker 4: goal was you wanted to do both?
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely want to have your outlet.
Speaker 4: And it was It wasn't casual. It was very thought out.
Speaker 4: It was very intentional, very methodical, just like every every
Speaker 4: move that I make.
Speaker 2: And so in that realm, when you talk about Lady
Speaker 2: A and the people you're referring to who's kind of
Speaker 2: done the thing that you were trying to be intentional
Speaker 2: in creating, how do you give us some game on
Speaker 2: how something like that works and stays together? Like did
Speaker 2: you have conversations with any of these groups? Because then
Speaker 2: there are also groups with ultimately where stuff gets sticky
Speaker 2: and gets in the way you break up depending on
Speaker 2: how the friction goes. But when you're creating this and
Speaker 2: being intentional and pen to paper and everything else, what
Speaker 2: does success look like with all that that you were
Speaker 2: trying to present to both of you guys?
Speaker 4: Do you know what I mean? Yeah? I remember I
Speaker 4: remember talking to Big Kenny back a couple of years ago,
Speaker 4: and he was like, you know, all that matters is
Speaker 4: if you guys are on the same page, that's all
Speaker 4: that matters. And you know clearly we one hundred percent weren't.
Speaker 4: But man, I mean we were at a point where
Speaker 4: we were only playing twenty five at the high end,
Speaker 4: maybe forty shows a year. We had just signed the
Speaker 4: biggest Live nation deal probably a duo had ever signed,
Speaker 4: and I was really looking forward to touring those dates
Speaker 4: they ended up getting canceled, but was really looking forward
Speaker 4: to connecting with fans, getting out there and doing what
Speaker 4: we do. And to me, you know, nothing would have changed.
Speaker 4: It's like, it's just like what when I have free
Speaker 4: time because we're not burning up the road like we
Speaker 4: used to. You know, it's a very select amount of shows.
Speaker 4: You know, a couple of things, and it's a lot
Speaker 4: of free time. Like they can go on vacation, they
Speaker 4: have kids, you know, they have different priorities and things
Speaker 4: that they love to do, just like you know me
Speaker 4: and my family, and you know, a lot of my
Speaker 4: off time, I like to work on songs. I like
Speaker 4: to get creative and work on other things.
Speaker 3: And so.
Speaker 4: To me, I worded it that nothing would change. It's
Speaker 4: like we can we can figure out what that looks
Speaker 4: like specifically on you know, figuring out a week to
Speaker 4: block out writing some songs or recording like I'll never
Speaker 4: not be there. I just I just thought it was
Speaker 4: a great look for both of us. Like I encouraged,
Speaker 4: like I said, you know him to do some solo.
Speaker 4: I want to do some solo, and then we'll continue
Speaker 4: to do what we've always done and in Trailblaze. Right
Speaker 4: to me, nothing has changed, Like you didn't miss football
Speaker 4: practice to come to a pod. No, no, you know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, And here's that. And I just want
Speaker 4: you to know it's like starting over as a solo
Speaker 4: artist for both of us. It's like, well, do I
Speaker 4: go do a BK show and make and lose money
Speaker 4: or do I go make what we make for FGL.
Speaker 4: It's a no brainer, right, And so I just I
Speaker 4: think it's important to hear my experience and my heart.
Speaker 4: Oh absolutely, from kind of how how we conceptualize this
Speaker 4: idea and how I thought of it. But really, yeah,
Speaker 4: I didn't. I didn't want anything to change. It's like,
Speaker 4: you do what you want to do on your free time.
Speaker 4: That's great. I want to do what I want to
Speaker 4: do on my free time, and you know, we'll schedule
Speaker 4: dates out to record crush some shows continue to make
Speaker 4: money for our families on something that we've given thirteen
Speaker 4: fourteen years of our life too, that that not many
Speaker 4: people have the opportunity to even do. You know, So.
Speaker 2: When did it start? When did it start to go sideways?
Speaker 2: Because you had mentioned earlier about what was it February
Speaker 2: of twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: Twenty one the first album or first songs?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so Tyler Solos come out.
Speaker 1: Solos came out in February of twenty one. Tyler on
Speaker 1: the when he sat on the bus so that BK
Speaker 1: came to him and wanted to go solo. That's what
Speaker 1: we were saying is incorrect. That's partially the truth, not
Speaker 1: fully the truth is what you're saying, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, was he already starting to do solo stuff? I
Speaker 2: got a call in while you were trying to figure out, like.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I wasn't ready to make an announcement on having
Speaker 4: solo outlets and and do that. He really thought it
Speaker 4: was necessary to do that in January January third or fourth,
Speaker 4: you can go back and look on fgl Instagram of
Speaker 4: twenty one. It was his idea to go on and say, hey,
Speaker 4: we're gonna be doing some different things. We're going to tour,
Speaker 4: And that was only because he had a song with
Speaker 4: McGraw coming out Undivided, and he was gonna be playing,
Speaker 4: like I said to Biden inauguration and starting to get
Speaker 4: out there and get visible as a solo artist. So
Speaker 4: I wasn't even ready to make that announcement because I'm like, yo,
Speaker 4: our album. So his song came out in January, Our
Speaker 4: record was coming out in February, and I was ready
Speaker 4: to like ride that out, go do press, you know,
Speaker 4: and focus on that, and not in a place where
Speaker 4: I wanted to rush out this announcement and not even
Speaker 4: ready for that.
Speaker 2: So when that announcement happened, you weren't wanting that to go, no,
Speaker 2: to go live.
Speaker 1: When you were. You brought the Biden inauguration a couple
Speaker 1: of times. That obviously is a big deal because of
Speaker 1: how polarizing the political political stuff has been for that
Speaker 1: the last ten years. Was that a conversation that both
Speaker 1: of you had whether that was appropriate or not for
Speaker 1: FGL a representative of FGL to go do that or
Speaker 1: did that kind of.
Speaker 2: Because a lot of people do thing think a lot
Speaker 2: of the breakup was political.
Speaker 1: That's where that's what I was getting at it is
Speaker 1: because you know he does abide an inauguration shortly after that.
Speaker 1: You guys are now solo careers, and there's not a
Speaker 1: whole lot of communication. Did you guys speak about that
Speaker 1: before Tyler did it? Or it's kind of I was down.
Speaker 4: I was down in uh, South Florida looking at boats,
Speaker 4: and he called me and he said, hey, I've already
Speaker 4: recorded it. You know, I'm putting a song with Tim out.
Speaker 4: So I was told what was happening, right, and he said,
Speaker 4: we're gonna play the inauguration. How are you gonna be
Speaker 4: a moment? To be honest with you, I was just
Speaker 4: a little caught off guard because you know, I was
Speaker 4: told that and I was on board with this that.
Speaker 4: You know, no solo music comes out before the FGL record, right,
Speaker 4: So I was all on board. And then to get
Speaker 4: a call saying, you know, he's going to make a
Speaker 4: very visible statement and performance before the record and then
Speaker 4: go go right to radio. Uh, you know, definitely a
Speaker 4: little caught off guard. But you know, at the end
Speaker 4: of the day, where were.
Speaker 2: You January sixth? Just get that. Sorry, we just watched
Speaker 2: the Tom Brady that question that well, and I just
Speaker 2: asked you tread those waters.
Speaker 1: You did, because that's a tough time. You're like Biden Trump,
Speaker 1: You're just like.
Speaker 2: Man, you know, going on concerts. It's like concerts were
Speaker 2: getting canceled. Some some artists still toured, like maybe maybe
Speaker 2: Tyler didn't want to, maybe you do. I'm so curious
Speaker 2: how everything was unfolding. That's what I'm asking you.
Speaker 4: Now. You know, I've read a lot and people have said,
Speaker 4: you know, it was political and all that, but you know,
Speaker 4: really the public the public issues started. I believe it
Speaker 4: was right after right after the election in twenty twenty.
Speaker 4: You know, he he and his wife had unfollowed us,
Speaker 4: and you know he I'm not I'm not exaggerating. You know,
Speaker 4: he got on It's you can go look up the videos.
Speaker 4: But he said, you know, BK was posting some stuff,
Speaker 4: some political stuff, and I didn't want to see it.
Speaker 4: And he you know, told me that he liked me
Speaker 4: better in person, not online. That caught me off guard
Speaker 4: as well, for my brother to have those thoughts and feelings.
Speaker 4: But so that was the first kind of thing that
Speaker 4: happened where, you know, publicly people I could see how
Speaker 4: they started framing that.
Speaker 1: For sure, but because very heightened at that time, extremely
Speaker 1: heightened at that time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, for everybody. But you know, I grew up in
Speaker 4: a world where you know, my dad was in politics
Speaker 4: for twenty years city commissioner, mayor, county chair, and I
Speaker 4: watched him move and progress city counties along with different
Speaker 4: minded people. And that's what makes America great is people
Speaker 4: that see things differently but can still get it done
Speaker 4: at the end of the day. Yeah, right, that's my mindset.
Speaker 4: That's how I approached it. So you know, for me
Speaker 4: and my family, it wasn't political. We didn't unfollow anybody.
Speaker 4: I was ready to go to work.
Speaker 2: And so now it's a lot of this stuff being
Speaker 2: just unlike, there's not a lot of communication going on,
Speaker 2: and then you're both kind of finding out just things
Speaker 2: on the internet or are you guys kind of in
Speaker 2: tune with each other the whole time, knowing that there's
Speaker 2: some instability happening. It's just more of a ticking time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we were talking. You know, we got on a podcast.
Speaker 4: You know, a day or two after that, there's like
Speaker 4: a Rolling Stones article that came out about the unfollowing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we got on.
Speaker 4: I got on. I didn't want to get on and
Speaker 4: do that, but got on to try to do some
Speaker 4: damage control. I don't think that did any good.
Speaker 1: Well, okay, you go on a podcast to do some
Speaker 1: damage control. You guys have each other's phone numbers. Did
Speaker 1: you guys try to call each other about it? Or
Speaker 1: was it like we'll settle this in the public eye.
Speaker 4: Uh, I mean, it wasn't really uh too much of
Speaker 4: a heated thing at that time, like right after the election.
Speaker 4: It mean, it wasn't It wasn't terrible. We were chatting
Speaker 4: and you know he did call me and tell me,
Speaker 4: I like you better in person not online. Yeah, and
Speaker 4: he told me that it's.
Speaker 1: Tough words to hear, so that one person that we
Speaker 1: know that hits us up on and to be honest,
Speaker 1: oh yeah yeah.
Speaker 4: And so I think one of the things that triggered
Speaker 4: him was, you know, I had an American flag and
Speaker 4: another flag flying on a close friends post to about
Speaker 4: twelve people and in my driveway gated nobody could see it.
Speaker 4: And you know, I think that was the one that
Speaker 4: was to my close friends who he was on that list,
Speaker 4: and if it was anything public I posted, I posted
Speaker 4: a couple of things, but I'm I'm proud that I
Speaker 4: posted it. I said, you know, I'm not sure why
Speaker 4: we're still locked down. If there's going to be you know,
Speaker 4: big you know, protests in the streets and big celebrations,
Speaker 4: but we can't go do concerts. Yeah, I don't really
Speaker 4: understand that. And I was backing the blue collar hard workers,
Speaker 4: the people that don't have a voice, people that need
Speaker 4: that kind of backup support, people like my dad, the
Speaker 4: way that I grew up. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 4: people that were out of business, out of work, in
Speaker 4: a tough spot, losing their everything that they've worked for.
Speaker 4: You know, I watched your boss Dave raise a ton
Speaker 4: of money during that time, very inspiring, and you know
Speaker 4: I was I was ready to get out there and
Speaker 4: play concerts man.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: And again back where.
Speaker 2: You guys are having concerts, if if both of you
Speaker 2: say yes, we want to do concerts, or was it
Speaker 2: more of like a label thing where it's like, hey,
Speaker 2: we're not going to go do No.
Speaker 4: It wasn't a label thing in terms of live shows.
Speaker 4: You know, I think it was up to us, Yeah,
Speaker 4: for sure.
Speaker 1: And there was a disagreement between the two of you
Speaker 1: whether you should have life concerts or not.
Speaker 4: I think at the time, you know, I think there
Speaker 4: was there was you know, I know we canceled our
Speaker 4: ore twenty twenty one fall to her, which I was
Speaker 4: really excited about. But you know, navigating through that was
Speaker 4: not easy, right, being ready to being ready to go.
Speaker 4: But you know, kind of that that kind of is
Speaker 4: what it is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Yeah, that's a that's a tough world. If
Speaker 1: you guys both have different views on what's going on,
Speaker 1: and you're wanting to play concerts and I'm assuming by
Speaker 1: you saying you wanted to, I'm only going to have
Speaker 1: to assuming that Tyler didn't want to and there's a
Speaker 1: big disagreement.
Speaker 2: I mean, think about all this stuff in the NFL
Speaker 2: that was happening, like in our locker rooms, like when
Speaker 2: we're having to do all the tedious things and some
Speaker 2: guys are like, hey, dude.
Speaker 1: The Tits got put under an investigation where the NFL
Speaker 1: looked at all of our tapes to see if guys
Speaker 1: were wearing you were bad guys. These were one of
Speaker 1: the guys that were trying to get serious swear.
Speaker 2: I posted something after the game like we were celebrating
Speaker 2: to win.
Speaker 1: Yeah, after the Bills game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and stretchers like, hey, you need to take this
Speaker 2: down because the NFL will hammered down on us. Like
Speaker 2: I know we're celebrating a win, but you need to
Speaker 2: have your mask on. I'm just thinking that this is
Speaker 2: so gay it dude, it really.
Speaker 1: It was crazy because there was a time where we're
Speaker 1: supposed to play the Steelers, right, yeah, canceled, supposed to
Speaker 1: play Steelers. That game gets canceled. Then like four days
Speaker 1: they're like, hey, you guys are playing the Bills on Tuesday.
Speaker 1: We gotta get ready, but we can't come in the
Speaker 1: facility because they were doing an investigation on the Titans.
Speaker 1: So you guys go practice, So the Office of Lineman
Speaker 1: Receiver stuff like that. We all dispersed and dispersed. We
Speaker 1: kind of went and did our thing, and that was Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well they started looking at cameras of all the NFL
Speaker 1: teams and they're like, well, we can't punish all of them.
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, I didn't know it was dude.
Speaker 2: It was a I think it was kind of underreccause
Speaker 2: somebody took a photo of the DB's practicing in a
Speaker 2: park or yeah. Yeah, basically like told on us. Yeah snitched, yeah, snitch,
Speaker 2: like we're trying to get ready for the bills. We
Speaker 2: gotta do something.
Speaker 1: We we actually won that game too. We were literally like,
Speaker 1: we don't ever have to practice.
Speaker 2: Brought to you by Zoom, Sponsored by Zoom. We don't
Speaker 2: have to practice anymore. Never.
Speaker 1: We were fresh. That was amazing. Yeah, we had we
Speaker 1: had a big outbreak. Bunch of you guys got the
Speaker 1: Vida the boys lost a lot of good boys out there.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 1: It was tough, dude.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I my question in your opinion, obviously there's a lot
Speaker 2: of there's a multitude of things, but in your opinion,
Speaker 2: what was the breaking point for you guys? And also
Speaker 2: second question, when you think back on some of the
Speaker 2: way you navigated it, what are some things you look
Speaker 2: back on about. Okay, I could have approached it differently.
Speaker 4: You know, I fought the good fight to keep FGL
Speaker 4: going and to continue to kind of put together a
Speaker 4: plan on what that would look like. You know, we
Speaker 4: we were doing our last you know, festival shows in
Speaker 4: twenty twenty two. We did probably twelve or fourteen of them,
Speaker 4: and we were killing it. It was great, and I
Speaker 4: was you know, we were talking in person and even
Speaker 4: you know, via email and saying hey, the demand is there,
Speaker 4: you know, like, okay, we're kind of nice. This it's
Speaker 4: I don't think us having solo outlets as effect thing
Speaker 4: our main business and our main brand and what we've spent,
Speaker 4: you know, our entire adult lives doing clearly not affecting that.
Speaker 4: But breaking point. I don't know if there's that. I
Speaker 4: don't know if there's a breaking point per se. But
Speaker 4: you know, he this is this is this part is true.
Speaker 4: I mean he said, you know, that was his boundary.
Speaker 4: And if he thought it was best to support me
Speaker 4: by cutting off something that I put my life into
Speaker 4: as well, that's one way to support somebody. I didn't
Speaker 4: agree with it. I was very protective of our brand,
Speaker 4: very protective about every move that we made about you know,
Speaker 4: are we going to go on and announce we're done
Speaker 4: on CBS Sunday Mornings. No, I'm not. I'm not done.
Speaker 4: I'm not going on it. I don't want to do that.
Speaker 4: I don't want to be done. So it's just you know,
Speaker 4: seeing things in a different light. And I think he
Speaker 4: was very concerned about what a solo outlet for me
Speaker 4: specifically would do to the brand. And you know, he
Speaker 4: voiced that many times to me and.
Speaker 2: What did he think it would do to the brand?
Speaker 4: Water it down?
Speaker 2: And at this point he has solo stuff out, okay, because.
Speaker 1: I'm also yeff, let's put more clarity on that. So
Speaker 1: you and Tyler are having conversations. He's saying, if you
Speaker 1: do a solo act, it's going to water down fgl
Speaker 1: But at the same time he had a solo act
Speaker 1: going on, or he was in the middle of cutting
Speaker 1: solo stuff. It was, it was.
Speaker 4: These are the initial conversations, probably September October of twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: Now for those of us who don't know, how long
Speaker 1: does it take to write a song like Undivided? Cause
Speaker 1: I think that when I listened to you talk and
Speaker 1: I heard Tyler talk because I went back and listened
Speaker 1: to it, I texted you today too. You should probably
Speaker 1: listen to it because we're touch a lot on it
Speaker 1: is there is such a big miscommunication between the two
Speaker 1: of you because Tyler feels like he was blindsided. You
Speaker 1: feel like you were blindsided in a way too that
Speaker 1: you're like, how does this not all work? So obviously
Speaker 1: it's a lack of communication. But now we're talking about
Speaker 1: timelines because that's what's really important because if Tyler is
Speaker 1: saying that's where I draw the line as we're not
Speaker 1: doing solo acts, but at the same time he's cutting
Speaker 1: solo acts, well, then we can see where there's a
Speaker 1: problem there. But if it's like, I want to just
Speaker 1: know chronologically how this all worked out, so we can
Speaker 1: all kind of figure out a way to.
Speaker 4: Get fall of twenty twenty. When I went to him,
Speaker 4: I had written a pile of songs after taking some
Speaker 4: months off.
Speaker 2: We like I said, when you guys canceled the tour
Speaker 2: and everything, this.
Speaker 1: Is this is call Yeah, you're you're all fall out.
Speaker 4: By then all of twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: Undivided came out January.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, all right, I'm called it.
Speaker 4: And so you know, the initial conversations probably September that
Speaker 4: was when you know, he was very concerned about you
Speaker 4: know it watering, you know down. But again I went
Speaker 4: to him with the idea of, look, it's not just me,
Speaker 4: like you can spread your wings, I can spread my wings,
Speaker 4: and we can continue to spread the wings of fgl right,
Speaker 4: and the label we don't have to have different man
Speaker 4: like it could all be under one thing and be
Speaker 4: supportive in that way and growing right. It was a
Speaker 4: couple of months after that, you know where I was,
Speaker 4: you know, he's you know, no music out till the
Speaker 4: FGL records out. And then December probably third or fourth
Speaker 4: of twenty twenty, is when I got a call when
Speaker 4: I was looking at a boat, like I said of
Speaker 4: you know, hey, I'm we got to make an announcement soon.
Speaker 4: You know, I'm putting out a song with McGraw, going
Speaker 4: to radio doing this.
Speaker 1: So so December he calls you says, I got a
Speaker 1: song come out in McGrath, but there was a deal
Speaker 1: made that we're not going to have any solo stuff
Speaker 1: released until February when the new FGL album comes out.
Speaker 1: How did you receive that information when he when he
Speaker 1: told you that, no other than the political thing I'm
Speaker 1: talking about from you your partners reaching out to.
Speaker 4: You about the song, about the song, and that when there's.
Speaker 1: A when in what you were saying is there was
Speaker 1: an agreement already.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm just surprised, I mean shocked for sure, Just
Speaker 4: like Okay, I thought we had a deal, you know,
Speaker 4: about what the plan was, so I just didn't I
Speaker 4: didn't think it was going back to my main my
Speaker 4: main thing is protecting FGL. I didn't think that was
Speaker 4: a good look. Yeah, if I'd have done it or
Speaker 4: he did it right. You know, again, FGL was my
Speaker 4: top priority, and you know too, I remember y'all were
Speaker 4: talking about, you know, giving fifty percent to a solo
Speaker 4: career and fifty percent to FGL. I wasn't wanting to
Speaker 4: put one hundred percent and start all the way over
Speaker 4: and play clubs and do all that. I don't mind
Speaker 4: it now because I have to and I'm building and
Speaker 4: I'm excited about it now. But for people to know
Speaker 4: how the origin of this all happened, you know, a
Speaker 4: lot of people think I just left and wanted to
Speaker 4: do solo stuff because that's what he's saying. But to
Speaker 4: give context, you know, I was, like I said, very
Speaker 4: methodical about how we grow and I want to keep
Speaker 4: this together. It's important to me. This is a once
Speaker 4: in a lifetime thing. And again, you know, we talked
Speaker 4: about it for years. We went to you know, on
Speaker 4: site in twenty eighteen and chatted about this this plan
Speaker 4: of you know, once our record contract's done, we're going
Speaker 4: to renegotiate and have freedom. You know, there was a time,
Speaker 4: you know, when we didn't even write separate, and you
Speaker 4: know we kind of I kind of pushed for It's
Speaker 4: okay if we write things separate. Man, I'm a fan
Speaker 4: of you, you're a brother. I support that. I'm not
Speaker 4: going to get jealous If So and so cut your
Speaker 4: song and it goes number one, I'm happy for you.
Speaker 4: That only helps me and that's how it should be. Vice.
Speaker 4: Everybody winning is good for everybody, right right?
Speaker 1: So okay, trying to break all this down in my head,
Speaker 1: break it down. So you guys had a conversation in
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen about having possibly doing your own solo thing.
Speaker 1: When that conversation happened, was the plan the idea fully
Speaker 1: formulated in your head of Hey, we should do solo
Speaker 1: acts as our opening acts and do a three hour
Speaker 1: show of FGL. Or were you still working through an idea?
Speaker 1: How is the communication between you and Tyler in twenty
Speaker 1: eighteen twenty first idea came up?
Speaker 4: Yeah, not not probably that then, but keeping FGL together
Speaker 4: was top priority.
Speaker 1: Right and you both agreed on that. Yeah, you both
Speaker 1: were like FGL is the number one thing. Yeah. So
Speaker 1: now we fast forward. He's released that song with Tim McGraw,
Speaker 1: the album comes out in February. At what point is
Speaker 1: are you guys like we're done? And who sent the
Speaker 1: divorce letter in?
Speaker 4: You know, here's here's here's what happened. The boundary was,
Speaker 4: the boundary changed over time. The boundary was, if you
Speaker 4: want to do that, we're not gonna make fgl music
Speaker 4: for the foreseeable future. That well, that's not what I want.
Speaker 4: But that's what I told him. I said, I hear
Speaker 4: what you're saying, but that's not what I'm asking for.
Speaker 4: That's not what I want. So I was like, all right, well,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna make some music and we're gonna we had
Speaker 4: a touring deal, we're gonna looking for We're still going
Speaker 4: to tour. We're all excited about that. Uh, the songs
Speaker 4: came out his song January, he had another song come out.
Speaker 4: My songs come out, you know, right after my album
Speaker 4: came out in June. Was kind of when you know,
Speaker 4: it was kind of a made known to me that
Speaker 4: we were, you know, kind of kind of done.
Speaker 2: Made known from somebody on on your team for nineteen.
Speaker 4: Now Tyler from Tyler.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so Tyler reached out to you personally or did
Speaker 1: you reach out to you through people oh, personally and
Speaker 1: he said, hey, FGL is done.
Speaker 4: Yeah. It went from you know, no music in the
Speaker 4: foreseeable future to you know, now now we're not even
Speaker 4: going to tour. You know, he was, you know, I'm
Speaker 4: just I'm just here to tell the truth. I'm not
Speaker 4: here to try to burn down anything whatever. I'm here
Speaker 4: to stand up for myself and my family and like
Speaker 4: I said, the fans. So you know, he was trying
Speaker 4: to get out of the twenty twenty two festival dates
Speaker 4: that we had already committed to because he didn't want
Speaker 4: to be seen with me really and be seen as
Speaker 4: a duo, because he was already ready to you know,
Speaker 4: push his solo career and overdrive.
Speaker 1: So obviously I can see where you're coming from now
Speaker 1: when I received that phone call yesterday, when because you
Speaker 1: guys are saying exactly you us are saying the same things,
Speaker 1: but yourself, like you're saying that you want to do FGL.
Speaker 1: He's saying he wanted to do FGL. But both of
Speaker 1: you think that the others broke up FGL. How does
Speaker 1: that communication like get so lost in translation when you
Speaker 1: guys are together for twelve years before that doing the
Speaker 1: bar barbecues, pop it an addy, and headed to the
Speaker 1: next spot. Two. Now we're megastars, Like, how does the
Speaker 1: communication be between the two of you just evaporate?
Speaker 2: Because when they're therapy involved as well.
Speaker 4: You know, I don'tn't think the communication evaporated. I think
Speaker 4: you know, I put in a lot of work, uh,
Speaker 4: individually and together to help lead the way to to
Speaker 4: chat with you know, uh, business coaches, mental health coaches,
Speaker 4: multiple different options. So I don't think it was a
Speaker 4: lack of communication. Maybe it maybe it wasn't just you know,
Speaker 4: me having an extra outlet. I'm not one hundred percent sure,
Speaker 4: but to lay it down that you know, BK wanted
Speaker 4: to go solo and just wanted your support and just
Speaker 4: it's just not it's just not the whole truth. There's
Speaker 4: no context around these sound bites and these clickbait things
Speaker 4: that he's saying that y'all are putting out. You know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, It's like it's important for me to
Speaker 4: have my voice heard, just like I wanted to have
Speaker 4: my voice heard outside of FGL.
Speaker 2: Right, So is UH talk to us about when you
Speaker 2: guys are you guys, when you guys are meeting with mentors,
Speaker 2: business coaches, therapists, whatever it is. Are you guys all
Speaker 2: in the same room talking through this same stuff.
Speaker 4: We've done in the room and then at a time,
Speaker 4: you know, in the heigh of COVID, I think there's
Speaker 4: a lot of zoom too, So we've done both.
Speaker 2: Did it ever feel like it was progressing the right way?
Speaker 2: Or did it just feel like, you know, things are
Speaker 2: just going to be dividing even further when you're getting
Speaker 2: off those calls and sit with your wife, or you
Speaker 2: feel like, I feel like we're making some progress, or man,
Speaker 2: we might be farther away than I thought we were,
Speaker 2: or how I take us through those.
Speaker 4: Man, it was just a little bit of a grind
Speaker 4: to try to to try to find a place that
Speaker 4: we could meet in the middle and understand each other.
Speaker 4: But it just it just never got to that place.
Speaker 2: Yeah, is there any any way in your mind that
Speaker 2: FGL gets back together one day?
Speaker 4: Yeah? I mean, you never know, man, I mean, look
Speaker 4: at the Eagles, look at I mean, there's there's lots
Speaker 4: of groups that have that have you know, gone through
Speaker 4: way worse things than we have. You know, at the
Speaker 4: height of everything, it just never was really terrible it's
Speaker 4: just seeing things different.
Speaker 2: And would you would you get the band back together?
Speaker 2: They could bust with the boys, potentially potentially fixed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean all we're asking for is like, you know, would.
Speaker 4: You get you down to five a conversation? Same same,
Speaker 4: but there is like.
Speaker 1: All messed up.
Speaker 2: But it is good, So would you that's fine? Just
Speaker 2: keep playing with it? Would you want to get the
Speaker 2: band back together?
Speaker 4: Man? I think time will tell you know, I'm I'm
Speaker 4: really focused on what I'm doing now. I know he's
Speaker 4: really focused. He just dropped an album, and I know
Speaker 4: he's putting a lot of hard work into what he's doing,
Speaker 4: just just as I am.
Speaker 2: And so.
Speaker 4: We'll have to see. Man. You know, I'm sure the
Speaker 4: fans would like it. I'm sure the fans would would
Speaker 4: love that. Man. I'm I'm I feel like I'm pretty
Speaker 4: in tune with with the fans. And you know, even
Speaker 4: on country radio they're jam in FGL song still a ton,
Speaker 4: So I'll just have to see.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's bangs the one.
Speaker 1: What's your favorite song, Mitch?
Speaker 2: You know it's Cruise.
Speaker 1: You know it's Cruise when you when you go to
Speaker 1: her solo act, did you play FGL songs as well.
Speaker 4: No, I haven't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like that be odd if you're like
Speaker 1: singing Tyler's poets or Tyler's doing it and he's singing
Speaker 1: your parts, it's kind of like, yeah, well you're like
Speaker 1: kind of singing it. I'm sure like you guys both.
Speaker 1: The thing that I'm trying to figure out and I
Speaker 1: don't know how to get there because I don't have
Speaker 1: the degree for it is there's obvious hurt on both sides,
Speaker 1: and both of you feel hurt for different reasons. Well,
Speaker 1: it kind of seems like the same reasons.
Speaker 2: Both both males just trying to be stoic, trying to
Speaker 2: be reserved, right, but knowing that there's some depth, Like both.
Speaker 1: Of you have the same exact energy coming on this
Speaker 1: bus now. When you call me yesterday, I could see
Speaker 1: I could hear the hurt in your voice. Very understandable,
Speaker 1: all that you come on here, calm, Yeah, it's passionate
Speaker 1: you and you need to have that absolutely.
Speaker 2: I did say like, oh ma, BK's not that the
Speaker 2: way Taylor's explained it. I was like getting a haircut
Speaker 2: of time. I was like, oh shit, for real, man,
Speaker 2: juicy BK. On the bus, I think could be sold.
Speaker 1: It'll be crazy, but it is. It's so it's I
Speaker 1: just wish we could figure out, like the core of
Speaker 1: where you both were hurt, how it'll like, and how
Speaker 1: you essentially fix it. If nothing else, then just to
Speaker 1: have a relationship again, because but you spend twelve years
Speaker 1: of your life with somebody, traveling all over the world
Speaker 1: having the success you did, Like, there's got to be
Speaker 1: a piece of you that misses him a little bit.
Speaker 1: It's got to be tough, well.
Speaker 4: Miss it all. Yeah, I mean, it's it's a big
Speaker 4: part of our life. Man. It was very very special,
Speaker 4: you know. It's it's dreams and dreams and dreams came true,
Speaker 4: you know, doing what we did together. Yeah, like I said,
Speaker 4: very special. I was gonna hit another point something you
Speaker 4: just said a second ago, but I forgot what I.
Speaker 1: Was talking about. Well, the beginning part was me talking
Speaker 1: about how you guys both seem hurt by the situation,
Speaker 1: but I can't figure out what the exact point of
Speaker 1: hurt was. It to me, the way I am viewing
Speaker 1: both of your stories, I'm trying to play Tyler's story
Speaker 1: back in my head while also listening to you. Is
Speaker 1: you guys, there was there was a conversation. I don't
Speaker 1: know where that conversation was, but somebody spoke about and
Speaker 1: I feel like we can say that you brought songs
Speaker 1: to the table first, being like I wrote these, kind
Speaker 1: of being like excited, kind of like I do with Will,
Speaker 1: Like sometimes I'll hear an opportunity, I'll get real excited
Speaker 1: for Will, and Will doesn't know how to react to
Speaker 1: me because he's like, I don't know, like do you
Speaker 1: what do you want from me? And then after that
Speaker 1: it kind of just seems like it was just a
Speaker 1: slow bleed until you guys died, and I don't like
Speaker 1: there was you know, the inauguration. We talked about that,
Speaker 1: We talked about him releasing songs before, Like when you say.
Speaker 4: I think getting back to my love of FGL and
Speaker 4: the brand and all the hard work and the fans.
Speaker 4: That's one of the reasons that you know, I haven't
Speaker 4: played FGL songs. I'm really proud of those and I
Speaker 4: miss playing those together. Right, that's to me where they
Speaker 4: should live. I think with with some of these half
Speaker 4: truths with no context quotes coming out and maybe him
Speaker 4: playing FGL songs, one would assume that he's carrying on
Speaker 4: fg L without me, right, it appeared it can appear
Speaker 4: that way, So out of out of respect of what
Speaker 4: we've built together, that's that's why I don't, you know,
Speaker 4: and maybe I will one day, you never know. They're
Speaker 4: great songs, and I had a hand in writing a
Speaker 4: lot of our hits, so you know it, it really
Speaker 4: comes down to, you know, I love our brand, I
Speaker 4: love what we built, and I was very very protective
Speaker 4: and not wanting to announce that we were done because
Speaker 4: I wasn't done.
Speaker 2: So yeah, when you when you go back to the
Speaker 2: call when you were in South Florida and he talks
Speaker 2: to you about writing the song with McGraw that's gonna
Speaker 2: come out, YadA YadA, and you say, and I don't
Speaker 2: know how you responded, but you said, you know, I
Speaker 2: thought that we had something going on. We had we
Speaker 2: were figuring something out. Like what is his response when
Speaker 2: you were saying something like that, because I'm assuming it'side,
Speaker 2: So I thought we had something going on here. And
Speaker 2: then you're just like, well that's sick, bro. And then
Speaker 2: you guys hang up and it just you go your
Speaker 2: ways about it, like how is that conversation unfolding when
Speaker 2: you're under the assumption of something else and you were
Speaker 2: trying to Hey, bro, I thought we I thought we
Speaker 2: you know, we're going to do X, Y and Z.
Speaker 4: I mean to be honest with you, I just let
Speaker 4: it happen. When the song's already recorded and you've got
Speaker 4: a record label that's ready to push it and have
Speaker 4: this moment, not much you can do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, damn well Tyler during the interview, so
Speaker 1: we asked Tyler about like the breakup and the fans
Speaker 1: are kind of clamoring wondering what was going on, and
Speaker 1: Tyler said in our podcast that he didn't feel like
Speaker 1: it was his place to say what was going on.
Speaker 1: He felt it was for you to say what was
Speaker 1: going on, kind of putting that situation, saying that it
Speaker 1: came from you, that you wanted to go solo. That's
Speaker 1: how this kind of all originated. Where was the conversation.
Speaker 1: Was there ever a conversation about, like, you guys, how
Speaker 1: you're going to announce a breakup, why you should be
Speaker 1: the one to do it, why Tyler should be the
Speaker 1: one to do it or do it together? Was there
Speaker 1: anything like that?
Speaker 4: Yeah, we went back and forth multiple times and I
Speaker 4: just I really wasn't willing to do it.
Speaker 2: Yet you weren't willing to do it because you didn't
Speaker 2: want the breakup to happen.
Speaker 4: No, I mean, it's it's not just yeah, it's two
Speaker 4: people right right, It's like one wants it over and
Speaker 4: one doesn't.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But the thing that's crazy is both you guys are
Speaker 1: saying you're the ones that got broken up with. You know,
Speaker 1: you guys are both the ones that seem the most
Speaker 1: like you're like we Tyler, we use the analogy of
Speaker 1: like getting divorced, Like someone comes to you and they
Speaker 1: have sense to give you an ultimatum and they essentially
Speaker 1: choose sleeping with the neighbors. However, Tyler said it, and
Speaker 1: now you're saying, like you didn't want it, you didn't
Speaker 1: want to release this stuff. So you guys are both
Speaker 1: saying the same thing that you didn't want to leave Florida,
Speaker 1: Georgia line. That's what I'm trying to figure out.
Speaker 2: I think too, Like it's like he says it's important
Speaker 2: for him to like kind of speak his truth and
Speaker 2: give context around the whole thing, And there's probably the
Speaker 2: ultimately it's like you're not just gonna be like, well
Speaker 2: he said this, you know what I mean. Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: like you're trying to like speak, I wish you would.
Speaker 2: You're trying to tell your side of everything while trying
Speaker 2: not to be like like I'm not I'm not coming
Speaker 2: on here to just be like, oh he said this
Speaker 2: whole time I said this, he said that, right, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. I feel like that's kind of
Speaker 2: hard to be like, I see what you're saying. It's
Speaker 2: like both of them feel like they were caught off guard.
Speaker 2: They're both not not necessarily wanting it to happen, and
Speaker 2: it's like, well then how could you guys not figure
Speaker 2: it out?
Speaker 1: Like this is this is the this is the actual
Speaker 1: breakup that happens where you know they're going to see
Speaker 1: each other at a bar one night and go home
Speaker 1: together because there's just so much they don't know. They
Speaker 1: both have a couple of dreams to see each other,
Speaker 1: like why did we break up? And they kind of
Speaker 1: just go home and do the thing and they wake
Speaker 1: up and they remember exactly why.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like Samuel Jackson shows up and trying to get
Speaker 2: the Avengers together.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I don't understand that reference, but yes, yes, well,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna agree with you on that. I'll tell what
Speaker 1: we need to do. Let's get the boys back together.
Speaker 1: Not together in a band, but get them in a
Speaker 1: room together and hash it out.
Speaker 2: Would you guys come on the bus together?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 2: You know what?
Speaker 1: What's where? Where's the Hey?
Speaker 2: Maybe we start, let's talk about the good time. Let's
Speaker 2: talk about the beginning.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's the record?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Record?
Speaker 4: Bro?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: Hey, was Kiss My Boots about Tyler?
Speaker 4: It's about a lot of people. Y'all aren't careful. It's
Speaker 4: gonna be about I want to write. No, man, it's
Speaker 4: uh that song. That song special to me and my
Speaker 4: co writers. You know it. Really, I could tell you
Speaker 4: right now. Being in the music industry, and I'm sure
Speaker 4: being a professional athlete and being in the entertainment industry,
Speaker 4: y'all probably have a growing list of people that are
Speaker 4: on your kiss my Boots list, right. It's not directed
Speaker 4: at one person. It's not you know, the day we
Speaker 4: wrote that song, I didn't show up having that tie.
Speaker 4: I didn't show up thinking we're gonna write that song.
Speaker 4: That song came through. Man. I had a guy on
Speaker 4: zoom and then two buddies in the room and we
Speaker 4: spent hours going over starting songs, starting songs, had a
Speaker 4: chorus here, and finally we were like, man, I go, hey,
Speaker 4: let's take a break. I need a bite to eat,
Speaker 4: and I'm not really loving anything that we're doing. Let's
Speaker 4: come back in fifteen minutes. Come back fast lunch, my buddy, Yeah,
Speaker 4: fast lunch. My buddy had to get off zoom get
Speaker 4: ready for a show. He was out of state. So
Speaker 4: I said, hey, two co writers in the room, are
Speaker 4: y'all down to stay later? It's a Friday night. And
Speaker 4: just through being patient man and looking for no pun intended,
Speaker 4: looking for the truth in every session in every writer's room,
Speaker 4: every day, right, And so we just started talking about
Speaker 4: things and my buddy Dylan was like, throughout a line
Speaker 4: that sparked that song. And then we're all pulling from personal,
Speaker 4: you know, experiences and just collaborating on the idea. But
Speaker 4: he started with the line you know comes that with
Speaker 4: the whiskey, and so that that that started the song
Speaker 4: and we landed. I remember landing on the hook with
Speaker 4: kiss my Boots, and I just I love the song man,
Speaker 4: It's just it. Songwriting to me is magic. I have
Speaker 4: so much respect for songwriters songwriting game, because there's days
Speaker 4: that happened like that, where you sit and you're patient
Speaker 4: and you're waiting for that spark of authenticity and truth,
Speaker 4: and then there's days like, you know, I have a
Speaker 4: song called Trucks, Ducks, Bucks and Beer. Like I had
Speaker 4: that title, I saved it for the right group. I
Speaker 4: knew I was gonna write that song that day.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So it's just it's such a it's such a funny thing,
Speaker 4: but that song for real, I mean, it's it at
Speaker 4: the end of the day, I want people to make
Speaker 4: it their own. I want people to hear it and go, damn.
Speaker 4: I I felt that way, and I've lived it and
Speaker 4: I've got I've got a couple of people on my
Speaker 4: my kiss my Boots list, and you know, some of
Speaker 4: the best comments I've seen on that are like, yo, BK,
Speaker 4: thanks for the new workout jam, thanks for thanks for
Speaker 4: channeling and putting to a song what I've been dealing with. Right,
Speaker 4: So that's that's been the greatest thing about the song.
Speaker 4: You know, it's just uh, you know, the whole album
Speaker 4: is is definitely like a party. It's positive, or's love songs.
Speaker 4: There's songs about being on you know, a bunch of acres,
Speaker 4: riding around an old blazer, hanging with Brittany and my wife,
Speaker 4: you know. And I put that song last just because
Speaker 4: it's it's enough, uh seriousness in one song to make
Speaker 4: up for the for the brightness of the rest of
Speaker 4: the record. But you know, life is life is life,
Speaker 4: and I know we've all been through, you know, points
Speaker 4: in our life where we all get thrown curveballs, no
Speaker 4: matter who you are. And so I put that song
Speaker 4: out just to let people know that, you know, I'm
Speaker 4: a real human. I'm not just a you know, a
Speaker 4: face on the screen or just some just some guy
Speaker 4: up on stage. Like you know, I I go through things.
Speaker 4: I've been through things all through my life that are
Speaker 4: highs and lows, and I song right through them. I
Speaker 4: always have and I always will.
Speaker 1: How is it being that vulnerable over your own lyrics
Speaker 1: when you're essentially giving it to an audience for them
Speaker 1: to evaluate whether it's good or not.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I think you just have to let
Speaker 4: go at some point, you know, I think you just
Speaker 4: have to be just work hard on it. Man. You
Speaker 4: get it to a point where you're like, Okay, I'm
Speaker 4: proud of myself I sing as good as I could.
Speaker 4: The musicians kicked ass on this. It sounds amazing, NIX
Speaker 4: sounds great, it's thumping, you know, depending on the song,
Speaker 4: whatever it may be. But there's a point where you're
Speaker 4: you have no control about how people are going to
Speaker 4: react good, bad in between. They hate it whatever, they
Speaker 4: love it if it explodes, you know. So you have
Speaker 4: to as an artist because dude, I could still be
Speaker 4: working on this record and fine tuning it and drive yourself,
Speaker 4: you know, and like, oh I wrote another song, let's
Speaker 4: add to it like I can. You could do that
Speaker 4: for days, you know what I'm saying. So there comes
Speaker 4: a point where you have to really just like, Okay,
Speaker 4: this thing's done. Whatever happens happens. I hope it's positive.
Speaker 4: I hope. I hope it's great. I hope it helps
Speaker 4: my career. I hope it continues to build my fan base.
Speaker 4: I hope they can relate to it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But being this your second solo album, what is
Speaker 1: the feeling of going into the second one as opposed
Speaker 1: to going into the front like the first solo album
Speaker 1: after FGL, like playing stadiums all that. Yeah, now you're
Speaker 1: in a solo act and you're putting out the first album,
Speaker 1: but the same nerves still they are putting this one
Speaker 1: out that comes out Friday.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess a little bit.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: I just think of these the two projects that I
Speaker 4: have so differently, you know, like it was all fun
Speaker 4: in Games and it was it was such a passion
Speaker 4: project and such a release for me to put time
Speaker 4: and time into songwriting and making that first record Sunshine
Speaker 4: State of Mind. Obviously COVID weird times is like, yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm writing songs, man like that that helps me. And
Speaker 4: so uh, this time this go around, you know, we
Speaker 4: don't have any FGL dates on the books, Like there's
Speaker 4: no foreseeable future for for the group, and so I
Speaker 4: consider Tennessee Truth, you know, my debut record. There's you know,
Speaker 4: it's the first. It's the first project where I'm standing
Speaker 4: as a as a solo artist with a career, not
Speaker 4: just trying to have an extra outlet that doesn't compete
Speaker 4: with f g L if that makes sense. So, like
Speaker 4: I said, man, everything along along the way from me
Speaker 4: has been methodical and very intentional and trying to be
Speaker 4: as respectful to the fans and the brand that we
Speaker 4: built as as as much as I could.
Speaker 1: What first off, Tennessee truth is a dope name.
Speaker 4: That's a minute you said almost named it Tennessee tone.
Speaker 1: Tennessee tone, truth made.
Speaker 4: Wanes, It's truth.
Speaker 1: You're right sweety stairs at a paper for three hours,
Speaker 1: just walks that one keeps walking over writing songs. When
Speaker 1: did you find that passion as a kid as you
Speaker 1: got older? Like what made you know that? Oh shit,
Speaker 1: I can I got like doing this? Only do I
Speaker 1: like doing this? This can be something for me?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it would be. I mean I started writing poems
Speaker 4: like in high school, freehand, like trying to figure out
Speaker 4: if I could turn it into a song. You know,
Speaker 4: it's like right before I started playing guitar. But I
Speaker 4: remember like writing out like lyrics or words, and I
Speaker 4: always like poems growing up. And my dad loves like
Speaker 4: little sayings and poems and he'll make things rhyme, and like,
Speaker 4: you know, I was always the guy looking up songwriters
Speaker 4: and the you know, CD covers and like oh snap,
Speaker 4: that's Craig Wismer, that's Jeffrey Steele, or that's you know,
Speaker 4: Tony Ratta. All you know, I was very in the
Speaker 4: know of what a songwriter was, and you know, got
Speaker 4: a guitar when I was about sixteen years old at
Speaker 4: a flea market with my dad. And uh, it didn't
Speaker 4: start hitting heavy till freshman year at Florida State. You know,
Speaker 4: I was writing songs during class, like I didn't need
Speaker 4: to party.
Speaker 1: What's that between party Florida State?
Speaker 4: You know, you know, surprising shock her. I really didn't
Speaker 4: party at Florida State.
Speaker 1: But you have a gold chain on that has a
Speaker 1: bass on it, you party number one?
Speaker 4: It's a tarpin.
Speaker 1: Disrespect. You know.
Speaker 4: I did more worship leading at Florida State than partying.
Speaker 1: Really, Oh yeah, no ship, Yeah, all right, that's nothing
Speaker 1: but the Tennessee truth right there.
Speaker 4: No, I really, I really didn't. I really didn't partake
Speaker 4: and uh at Florida State for my two years there.
Speaker 1: That is wild. So Florida State is when you found like, okay,
Speaker 1: this is what I want.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I couldn't. I couldn't stop thinking about songs and
Speaker 4: I'd get a title that pop in my head and
Speaker 4: class and like at that point, I didn't even need
Speaker 4: a guitar. I could write out the lyrics, I could
Speaker 4: hear how it could go. I'd get home, get my guitar,
Speaker 4: put it on my little you know, I had a little,
Speaker 4: uh little shitty recording program my roommate had given me
Speaker 4: so I could get it down, so I like could
Speaker 4: have it forever and remember that, you know, you.
Speaker 1: Still have it.
Speaker 4: No, it was on my old Dell computer. I have
Speaker 4: no freaking idea where it was a block, man, I
Speaker 4: mean it was it was, it was a block. I
Speaker 4: have no idea. I mean it may be in a
Speaker 4: storage unit. I've looked for it.
Speaker 1: That's mine. Give it back.
Speaker 2: But obviously you're you're a natural writer. But get like
Speaker 2: you were saying earlier, this you feel like this is
Speaker 2: your debut solo album. What what is this album you
Speaker 2: know mean to you? And also like what have been
Speaker 2: the learning curves with kind of getting back to the
Speaker 2: basics even though you naturally are a writer, Like being
Speaker 2: solo on your own.
Speaker 4: This record means a lot to me. You know, it's
Speaker 4: it's a songwriter's album. I'm so grateful for all the
Speaker 4: collaborators and songwriters and being able to you know, mend
Speaker 4: our worlds together and find something that we all love.
Speaker 4: That that means a lot to me too, and that
Speaker 4: hopefully you know, people that listen to it, they're like Yo,
Speaker 4: that's my life too. It's a simple record, man, like
Speaker 4: I love. You know, I have a song called bare
Speaker 4: Feet or Boots, and that's the lifestyle I live. Man.
Speaker 4: You know, like I love. I love being on the farm.
Speaker 4: I love being in the woods. I love being at
Speaker 4: the beach. I love being in the backwaters the lake.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: I you know my morals and the way that I
Speaker 4: operate or you know, God, family, country, and I love
Speaker 4: working hard. I love having something to look forward to,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. Just like the people that
Speaker 4: are going to be listening to this man, you know,
Speaker 4: my world revolves around you know, working hard, my wife,
Speaker 4: creating time for us to make new memories. And you know,
Speaker 4: like what's what's biting? All right? Well, we're actually in Florida.
Speaker 4: I'm checking my bass, you know, app I'm hitting some
Speaker 4: of the locals. What are you know, snapper biting yet?
Speaker 4: Snapper season? How many? How many can we get? Now?
Speaker 4: You know what's you know on my little trail cam?
Speaker 4: You know, oh damn, there's a turkey, there's a deer.
Speaker 4: You know, that's it's a It's a pretty simple life
Speaker 4: that you know, I know we've come from, you know,
Speaker 4: stadiums and arenas and all these things. But when you
Speaker 4: strip it down, you know, me and Brittany are really simple, man,
Speaker 4: Like our favorite nights are. You know, I've had quite
Speaker 4: a few Friday nights at the house, you know, since
Speaker 4: starting his solo career and writing for the record. You know,
Speaker 4: I really wasn't on the road. I was home a
Speaker 4: lot writing and so we had a lot of free
Speaker 4: you know, weekends and Friday nights. It's like, yo, dogs
Speaker 4: are hanging out, We're cooking some meals and I'm watching
Speaker 4: freaking twenty twenty. You know what I'm saying, Like, I
Speaker 4: love that.
Speaker 1: Well, there's a vacancy out there. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you heard, but the great Toby Keith just passed. And
Speaker 1: when you hit me with a god Family Country thought
Speaker 1: he could be the next to Keith. You should be
Speaker 1: the next guy red solo Cup.
Speaker 2: You tell you just one to get into some twenty twenty.
Speaker 2: I've never watched. I've never binged that shit.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna help solve a crime one day. Oh you,
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that guy, it's happening.
Speaker 2: Those shows are incredible.
Speaker 4: It may be a cold case, it may be a
Speaker 4: current you know, new one I'm.
Speaker 2: Freaking the murder mystery stuff. Dude.
Speaker 1: I had to sit in a deposition the last two days,
Speaker 1: no way, and uh, just hearing these lawyers talk, I
Speaker 1: found out there's no way I could help you a lawyer.
Speaker 1: We we would go in and they would just be
Speaker 1: talking back and forth, and then we'd go into a
Speaker 1: room and I'm like, Okay, tell me everything that just happened.
Speaker 1: Because you're literally like a six year old watching like
Speaker 1: cloud out lists or something like that, not even able
Speaker 1: to register how smart these individuals are. So all that
Speaker 1: to be said, I would never be able to solve
Speaker 1: a case. It ain't happening for me. Brother, I'm not
Speaker 1: putting anybody in jail.
Speaker 2: Important question for you. Are you a beach or a
Speaker 2: lake guy? Oh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, he did because you heard your name the Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is.
Speaker 2: A big one on the bus.
Speaker 4: You know our place in Florida. We don't live on
Speaker 4: the beach. We live like right off the beach. We
Speaker 4: live on a coastal dune leg so pretty special little
Speaker 4: spot kind of surrounded by the state park. So honestly,
Speaker 4: really both because the stand and pick one, you have
Speaker 4: to well, look, we all enjoy you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 4: so what do.
Speaker 2: You enjoy more?
Speaker 1: If you had to pick on activity, you got one
Speaker 1: more day at the beach house, you your kids are
Speaker 1: sitting there. It's split fifty fifty down the middle. You
Speaker 1: can either go sand ocean waves life, sea life, or
Speaker 1: you can go over here, woods, boat, wakeboarding, those types
Speaker 1: of things. Which one are you picking?
Speaker 4: Man, If it's going as what we call down in
Speaker 4: Greaton beach. If it's going off in Greaton, which means
Speaker 4: the golf is laid down, freaking teal blues. Look, it
Speaker 4: looks like a lake. It's flat, weather's freaking popping. We're
Speaker 4: going to beach day. We're getting the truck out there,
Speaker 4: we can drive on the beach. I'm getting all my coolers,
Speaker 4: I'm getting my umbrellas, I'm getting my chairs. We're having
Speaker 4: a beach freaking safari. That's how that's I've had some
Speaker 4: of my best days doing that with Brittany and some
Speaker 4: of our friends. We have a lot of local friends.
Speaker 4: And I mean just watching the day go by. I mean,
Speaker 4: and and once you get out there, I mean like
Speaker 4: some days you can get out there and it's just
Speaker 4: like a vibe day. But some days, you know, you
Speaker 4: can fish right off the beach. Stick your pole in.
Speaker 4: You may not catch anything if they're not biting. But
Speaker 4: just lots of activities.
Speaker 2: You know, there's ane.
Speaker 4: Put the stand up paddle boards on the top of
Speaker 4: the truck, get them out to the beach, go out
Speaker 4: in the gulf. I mean, I knew we get there, bro,
Speaker 4: I got you. I can take you on.
Speaker 1: I think the beach guy, he's becoming more of the
Speaker 1: beach guy.
Speaker 2: I did say the better day is a perfect beach
Speaker 2: day based on this where we're at in the Bahamas,
Speaker 2: I mean, it was fucking where we name a couple
Speaker 2: of spots? Is it?
Speaker 4: Where is it like a discovery property?
Speaker 2: I don't even know what that means. It was nice,
Speaker 2: it was it was in a nice spot. Nice Was
Speaker 2: it a zooma? I think at zooma? Damn it a
Speaker 2: nice spot. And they're like I was telling JP, we
Speaker 2: went out there on the boat one day and you
Speaker 2: you like pulled up on a sand dune and the
Speaker 2: water is like this high on your shin and you're
Speaker 2: just out like in the middle of the water on
Speaker 2: a sand dune and it was yours running around like
Speaker 2: it was. It was one of the things where he says,
Speaker 2: teal blue flat. Nothing going on here, I said, I said,
Speaker 2: the best beach day and vibe has beats best the
Speaker 2: best lake day vibe. But as far as average, what
Speaker 2: I like to do the majority of my time, I
Speaker 2: think a lake. I'm a lake boy.
Speaker 1: That's how will works. You gotta it's a slow It's
Speaker 1: been like a three year conversation, this lake versus beach saying,
Speaker 1: it's been like a three and slowly. I'm a beach guy.
Speaker 1: I think the culture of a beach. You walk around literally,
Speaker 1: you could be as stress as you possibly could be
Speaker 1: in your entire life. The minute you step put your
Speaker 1: toes in the sand and you're looking at the water
Speaker 1: and you just see people just relaxing and knowing that
Speaker 1: I might have problems but not today. That is what
Speaker 1: a beach brings.
Speaker 4: That sounds like sowriter.
Speaker 1: You're welcome, so you can have that.
Speaker 4: You can know what I'm thinking at point.
Speaker 1: That's mine.
Speaker 4: We should do a little beach trip. Okay, y'all come down.
Speaker 4: We could do one more pod, have some fun right
Speaker 4: on the beach and then just kind.
Speaker 2: Of that could are we going to be on a boat?
Speaker 2: We could?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 2: Bro, Yeah, I'm just saying, you know, a big boat guy,
Speaker 2: big boat guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we like to walk around it and press
Speaker 1: the buttons.
Speaker 2: A superhero like flying at the tip.
Speaker 4: I got you great and beach. You can launch the
Speaker 4: captain's launch to go fishing right off the beach. They
Speaker 4: backed their boats up, PLoP them out, and you don't
Speaker 4: got to go far to catch fish.
Speaker 2: Then we come back to get your tarping down.
Speaker 1: We can all have chance at the end. I know
Speaker 1: that thing does go hard, though. I know I chirped
Speaker 1: it a little bit, but I kind of I kind
Speaker 1: of mess with it, you know, dude.
Speaker 4: I got this from I've made some really good friends
Speaker 4: in Grand Junction, Colorado. It's a it's a family jeweler,
Speaker 4: three generations, and the son, the younger son, does a
Speaker 4: lot of cool free form gold work. I was there
Speaker 4: in person years ago on a tour stop. I wandered
Speaker 4: in there, found a really cool ring and we kept
Speaker 4: a relationship every since. They've sent me some free things
Speaker 4: that they've made for me and Brittany, and then I
Speaker 4: bought some stuff from them and I just was like, man,
Speaker 4: can you make a tarpin with like a little diamond
Speaker 4: eye and yeah, you know, just something something cool. And
Speaker 4: he's like, hell, yeah, can I bring it to you
Speaker 4: at your at your All show in Vegas. I'm like yeah.
Speaker 4: He's like, man like, I'm not gonna mail it, but
Speaker 4: can I come to the show and drop it off.
Speaker 1: I'm like, buddy, yeah, that's a good trade off.
Speaker 4: Yeah. So I'm good buddies with them. They're great people.
Speaker 4: They're living the American dream, working hard, making some really
Speaker 4: cool pieces. Man's and their family tradition.
Speaker 1: That when it's all said and done, you decide to
Speaker 1: hang up the guitar.
Speaker 2: Where do you?
Speaker 1: Where do you see your life? Even be at that
Speaker 1: beach house? Twenty four to seven? You head West Coast?
Speaker 2: What you gonna do?
Speaker 4: Uh? Not the West Coast. I do love. I do
Speaker 4: love the West Coast. I think there's some great spots,
Speaker 4: but for you full not full time, not like not
Speaker 4: full time. I mean I definitely love That's that's nice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Arizona.
Speaker 4: You know, I could see. I love where we're at
Speaker 4: in Florida. I mean I don't I don't ever imagine
Speaker 4: us really leaving there. I could see I have a
Speaker 4: vision of like a you know, kind of an old
Speaker 4: Florida farm maybe maybe more like Central Florida, you know,
Speaker 4: like ranch style. I have an idea to h you know,
Speaker 4: open this thing where it's like it's called Good Shepherd Ranch.
Speaker 4: So we have German shepherds. We have four love shepherds.
Speaker 4: But basically it'd be like, you know, try to find
Speaker 4: a good deal on a bunch of acreage, have a
Speaker 4: little house there, and be able to you know, rehabilitate shepherds,
Speaker 4: take shepherds in that need a home, maybe foster some
Speaker 4: raise some up. And then I think it'd be really
Speaker 4: cool too. Man. There's kind of another element that I've
Speaker 4: really been kind of thinking about lately to where you know,
Speaker 4: maybe maybe some kids that don't have a family system
Speaker 4: that something like I grew up and I'm very grateful
Speaker 4: for my mom and dad and and you know, maybe
Speaker 4: that's something they could come to Good Shepherd Ranch and
Speaker 4: we can work with dogs, kind of some dog therapy
Speaker 4: and that you know, maybe I can rub off on
Speaker 4: them a little bit in terms of like whatever they're
Speaker 4: going through and how to deal with things and how
Speaker 4: to you know, maybe maybe some life advice or some
Speaker 4: if they want to get into music, maybe there's a
Speaker 4: little studio on the property, but something that's something that's
Speaker 4: kind of, you know, giving back, and also that has
Speaker 4: a lot of dogs on it.
Speaker 2: You love inside dogs.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they are.
Speaker 2: It's shutters.
Speaker 4: It's their house shutters.
Speaker 2: Big time.
Speaker 1: You let them on the couch, you let them look
Speaker 1: your face.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, man, only two of them, the sisters. Man,
Speaker 4: if they've been outside, you better watch it. You'll smell
Speaker 4: it before it comes. But they they they like to
Speaker 4: eat the poop poo.
Speaker 1: You got two boy dogs, two girl dogs, one.
Speaker 4: Boy, three girls. But we have sisters, littermates smoking sage
Speaker 4: and for some reason.
Speaker 2: Smoke Smoke can't stand her.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's the worst kind of dog husky wife, good
Speaker 1: shepherd ranch. Man, Yes, she could go and I'll.
Speaker 2: Just forget to Tail would love good shepherd ranch.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. The whole time you're talking, I'm thinking of myself.
Speaker 1: Tailing is going to hear this.
Speaker 2: Taylor was into it and then you started mentioning fostering
Speaker 2: and he just started to have like PTSD.
Speaker 1: Dude, I'm looking after bunnies right now.
Speaker 4: I would I wouldn't know what to do with bunnies.
Speaker 2: Dude.
Speaker 1: My wife, she's trying to be a wildlife rehabilitationist. Or
Speaker 1: whatever it is. She's like getting certified for it sounds
Speaker 1: cool on paper. And then we get four bunnies because
Speaker 1: he tells me that, I'm like, bro, if we can
Speaker 1: get a raccoon or like a baby skunk, that would
Speaker 1: be hype.
Speaker 2: A baby skunk.
Speaker 1: Yes, dude, they don't get their they don't get their
Speaker 1: smell thing until like two years old, so they kind
Speaker 1: of just chill and hang out. And I'm thinking, we're
Speaker 1: gonna get some dope animals. I think they'll bunnies over
Speaker 1: at us. We got bunnies. I got two of them
Speaker 1: that just sit outside, hang out. They bite or they
Speaker 1: know they're like they're literally, dude, they're this bag. They're
Speaker 1: this bag, and I have to bottle feed them every night,
Speaker 1: every night and every morning. And it just pissed right
Speaker 1: because it's some time with my wife being like, honey,
Speaker 1: I want to do something, Yeah, you go ahead and
Speaker 1: do that. I love that and I support you whatever
Speaker 1: you want to deal. But then one night, kids have
Speaker 1: a hard night. I come downstairs. I'm ready for bed.
Speaker 1: If I'm a guy, like the minute the kids go
Speaker 1: to sleep, I'm trying to get to sleep by nine thirty.
Speaker 1: If I get to sleep by nine thirty. My life's
Speaker 1: gonna be great the next day. And that's really all
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about. Same and she's it's like nine to fifteen.
Speaker 1: She's like, I gotta feed the monies. That's an hour. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's an hour of my life that I got to now.
Speaker 1: Luckily they're getting older.
Speaker 2: So she says that, what do you say. You're like, damn,
Speaker 2: that sucks.
Speaker 1: No, No, you know me, dude, I fucking bend the
Speaker 1: knee quick quick.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 1: I mean I have an attitude. I have like a
Speaker 1: teenage attitude, and that I go and do what I'm
Speaker 1: supposed to be doing. I have a bad attitude and
Speaker 1: then I do it.
Speaker 2: Just kind of stop around, go to bed, kind of man.
Speaker 4: Good Shepherd Ranch sounds like it could be what we
Speaker 4: talked about the ranch, or it could be like it's
Speaker 4: like total Hallmark movie. Yeah, good Shepherd Ranch.
Speaker 2: I could see the sunset.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's like this crazy He meets a city
Speaker 1: girl exactly, they don't belong together, exactly, maybe steal something
Speaker 1: from her, steals her purse, runs over to the guy.
Speaker 1: That's how they meet. Dog's cute, he's cuter. What's gonna happen.
Speaker 2: Damn, the boy will just get going now, like to
Speaker 2: create an entire movie.
Speaker 1: I do enjoy living in my own head. What my
Speaker 1: wife wants to do. She wants to get a farm
Speaker 1: and then have a grocery store attached to the farm
Speaker 1: and everything comes from there. It's like her next dream
Speaker 1: that she wants to do.
Speaker 2: Which I is that what it is?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's a slaughterhouse.
Speaker 2: Slaughterhouse?
Speaker 1: Yah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Ours is kind of like a like we would have
Speaker 1: to like ninja smoke them, like go to the cat
Speaker 1: slaughterhouse and then just you know, get them down.
Speaker 4: Yeah, probably do that, not that.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're trying to precureus a couple of things. Yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: She Uh Bar three Studios, she's a franchise operation. She's
Speaker 2: manager for Bar three. It's like a boutique fitness nice.
Speaker 2: It's like Taylor toward women. It's like Pilates group fitness
Speaker 2: type of vibe. And uh, she's been in that industry.
Speaker 2: She's been with that company for a while now and
Speaker 2: a couple there's an opportunity that popped up in Nashville.
Speaker 2: That's right now. We are in the in the middle
Speaker 2: of trying to Oh she would like to be a
Speaker 2: business owner.
Speaker 4: Hell yeah, it's awesome.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, get that. What's up?
Speaker 1: Let me get it on it, Taylor.
Speaker 4: I got a question for you.
Speaker 1: Go ahead.
Speaker 4: So when you see when you do these ice baths,
Speaker 4: So say you're you're in Vegas. I've seen you do
Speaker 4: ice baths in Vegas when you're out there, you know,
Speaker 4: playing blackjack and stuff. For some reason, I can't wrap
Speaker 4: my head around because it's in the hotel room, the
Speaker 4: ice bath, right where does how do you how do
Speaker 4: they get the water out in the hotel room.
Speaker 1: That's the best part about Red Rock. I don't know, dude.
Speaker 1: Red Rock is the greatest like hospitality place I've ever
Speaker 1: been in my entire life. I've been to BlackBerry farms,
Speaker 1: I've been to really nice places. The hospitality of Red
Speaker 1: Rock is second to none. I told them one time,
Speaker 1: hey be cool to have a cold tub in my room.
Speaker 1: The next time I came there, there's a cold tub.
Speaker 1: They refeel the ice. I spill everywhere. I don't claim
Speaker 1: it right myself. I'm a dirty boy. And then I
Speaker 1: come in. Everything's cleaned up, car, car, everywhere. It's it's unreal.
Speaker 1: So I don't have it's.
Speaker 4: Nuts too an answer, I'm curious.
Speaker 2: You get into black jack when you're out there in Vegas.
Speaker 4: I love that's that's really all I play. Really, Yeah,
Speaker 4: I love black jack chaos due. I really enjoy it. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I've had some good nights in Vegas. Nothing crazy. I
Speaker 4: know there's like some other country artists that go freaking
Speaker 4: ham and that that they'll bet like a ton ton.
Speaker 4: I'm pretty conservative when it comes to you.
Speaker 2: Know, hy vibe.
Speaker 4: I made some pretty good money, but like I kind
Speaker 4: of I kind of start slow and then you know,
Speaker 4: I kind of I'm a I'm a feel guy, so
Speaker 4: like if I can kind of I get that from
Speaker 4: my dad too. You kind of feel what you're gonna get,
Speaker 4: you know. It's like if I feel like I'm about
Speaker 4: to get hot, like I'm a double down, double down.
Speaker 4: You figure out, figure out what you're gonna do.
Speaker 2: But what's been your best trip? How much? Yeah? How
Speaker 2: much you leave with?
Speaker 4: Probably fourteen k not like I know, y'all, y'all y'all
Speaker 4: go with Dana.
Speaker 1: And you know, yeah, but that's a cheap, like fourteen.
Speaker 1: Going home with fourteen is amazing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when you're when I started.
Speaker 4: With like shoot, I started with like five or six hundred.
Speaker 1: That's just hit bro, just that, and.
Speaker 4: Then I'm like, all right, I can tell this ship's
Speaker 4: getting cold. I'm rolling.
Speaker 1: Really that's my problem.
Speaker 2: I feel like Jackal hits some looks like that. I
Speaker 2: think a few hundred and turn it into a few thousand.
Speaker 1: Yep there, Yeah, jack Will go crazy something.
Speaker 4: Man. It's a fun game when you got people you know,
Speaker 4: you know, and you have a have a drink whatever. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and it's like, I just I love that game. I
Speaker 4: really do.
Speaker 1: We would do on line trips and Will came on
Speaker 1: one one year and it was like five of us
Speaker 1: sitting at the table, two or three guys standing behind,
Speaker 1: just drinking drinks, all kind of like talking each other
Speaker 1: into betting a little bit more while so fe scared. Yeah,
Speaker 1: run the balls one hundred dollars, like, oh hey, we're
Speaker 1: throwing a hail Mary five hundred here on this one.
Speaker 1: And the boys just win or lose together. It's awesome.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The world Will that I have gotten into has kind
Speaker 1: of been. It's a little it's much more scarier, there's
Speaker 1: a lot more room for error. It's often you all
Speaker 1: go there. I try to go every month, No, I
Speaker 1: try to go every single month, like truly have a
Speaker 1: I have like I have such an addictive personality and
Speaker 1: the minute I saw that this was possible, and then
Speaker 1: when I start to lose, how Danna kind of just
Speaker 1: saves me, like I'm a kid. It's no, there's no
Speaker 1: reason to never go there. It's it's ridiculous.
Speaker 4: Well, hopefully we end up in Vegas together, because I'd
Speaker 4: love to play with y'all.
Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you you go to you take us
Speaker 1: to Florida. We hit that beach day. We have no
Speaker 1: choice but to get you to Vegas. Man, that sounds
Speaker 1: like a good deal.
Speaker 2: I don't know what you're doing. June twenty sixth, but
Speaker 2: you could come watch the Beer Games Championships of the World.
Speaker 1: That's the problem. Well, June twenty fifth, June twenty fifth,
Speaker 1: that's what Big Cat was talking about.
Speaker 2: June twenty fifth. It's on a Tuesday.
Speaker 1: You should actually come June twenty Yeah, June twenty.
Speaker 2: Fourth, June twenty fourth, some more game one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So we're doing the Tunnel of Chaos. We have
Speaker 1: a big party in the high Roller Room of Red Rock,
Speaker 1: and then it's gonna be like food, drinks, people gambling whatever,
Speaker 1: a little tunnel where there's gonna be one table with
Speaker 1: just one betting platform, where that's a tunnel of chaos.
Speaker 1: You it'll be. It's gonna be a nuts time.
Speaker 2: Geld you the info.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a Monday. Yeah, it's a Monday because we
Speaker 1: it's all tailored around people that are kind of in
Speaker 1: your category, who are like travel Thursday to Sunday.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so we want everybody to kind of come
Speaker 1: and have their schedule be as open as possible.
Speaker 2: Cool. Yeah, what uh? What can we look forward to
Speaker 2: this year after the album drops tomorrow? Oh?
Speaker 4: Man, I got some I got some festivals this summer.
Speaker 4: I'm really excited about that. I already played Tortuga a
Speaker 4: couple of weeks back. That was like an awesome festival
Speaker 4: right on the beach. Very fitting, uh for for what
Speaker 4: I do, and I think I'm gonna bring back. I
Speaker 4: did this in twenty twenty two. I did like a
Speaker 4: mini residency. I did probably twenty six twenty seven shows.
Speaker 4: But we have a little surf shop we own down
Speaker 4: in Grayton where we live, and we kind of converted
Speaker 4: the backyard space into a little concert venue and so real,
Speaker 4: real intimate maybe two hundred people max a night, So
Speaker 4: I'm gonna do probably, I think right now we've got
Speaker 4: it at twelve shows, you know, a couple in June,
Speaker 4: couple in July. So really looking forward to that, man.
Speaker 4: I know, I know the fans that came the first
Speaker 4: time had a great time, and it's kind of a
Speaker 4: power acoustic set but really casual, really intimate, really stripped down,
Speaker 4: and it's you know, I really loved it, man, because
Speaker 4: you know, it was an experience that I was able
Speaker 4: to create that didn't exist. You know, I think that
Speaker 4: was that was that was really enjoyable too. You know,
Speaker 4: I love playing all sorts of venues. I love you know,
Speaker 4: it's fun to play go back and play small clubs.
Speaker 4: It's great to do that. Fun obviously to play big,
Speaker 4: big you know arenas, amphitheaters all that, but to really
Speaker 4: connect and you know, a two hundred person uh space, man,
Speaker 4: is like, I don't know, I feel like I got
Speaker 4: my chops up even more when I did that, man,
Speaker 4: because you kind of put yourself in a position to
Speaker 4: where it's so personable and personal that you've got people
Speaker 4: there like, hey, play play this song. You're like sick,
Speaker 4: all right, yeah, calling out something from the record that
Speaker 4: maybe wasn't on the set list, but you're really able
Speaker 4: to connect. And you know, that's what Brittany and I
Speaker 4: love about, you know, being entrepreneurs and creating things is
Speaker 4: like trying to figure out it's all about the experience,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, and to offer something different
Speaker 4: that doesn't exist really really gets us excited. And yeah,
Speaker 4: so I'm excited about that. And then this fall probably
Speaker 4: some more touring, trying to get the logistics locked down
Speaker 4: for that. But that's awesome, man, I'm excited about I know,
Speaker 4: I got obviously a record coming out, but I'm really
Speaker 4: looking forward to getting back in the studio and writing
Speaker 4: and seeing what what else we can come up with.
Speaker 1: Is that A number one passion is the writing part.
Speaker 4: Uh, it is. I mean, it's one of my main things.
Speaker 4: But I don't think I could have have it without
Speaker 4: the other part, you know, Like I love writing and
Speaker 4: grinding and thinking and brainstorming and figuring out the freaking
Speaker 4: details of the song and the message of the song
Speaker 4: and all that, even the production and love recording it,
Speaker 4: but the whole, the whole thing of getting it out
Speaker 4: on the road and playing playing live and doing that.
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't think I could have one without
Speaker 4: the other.
Speaker 2: That's awesome, man. Yeah, we appreciate you coming on.
Speaker 4: I appreciate you.
Speaker 2: And open, being honest and having a little fun too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, damn good time.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I appreciate the platform, and I thank y'all for answering
Speaker 4: the call and getting me on here, and I really
Speaker 4: appreciate it. Yeah, man, thanks for thanks for being open,
Speaker 4: being being willing to hear you know, my side and
Speaker 4: my experience, and hopefully for everybody listening. You know, I
Speaker 4: hope that has given some clarity.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, man, before we get out of here, going, I
Speaker 1: know you already talks about it. I plugged that new
Speaker 1: album real quick.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Truth.
Speaker 4: Check out Tennessee Truth. It's a good time, and uh
Speaker 4: it's all about up a living, working hard, playing harder,
Speaker 4: and uh loving who you love. I hope you, uh
Speaker 4: hope y'all can make it the soundtrack to your summer
Speaker 4: and maybe your fall too. And I hope it. Hope
Speaker 4: these songs mean something to you, that mean a lot
Speaker 4: to me, and I hope you can figure out a
Speaker 4: way to put them in your everyday life, whether that's
Speaker 4: headed to work, or on the lake, on the beach, whatever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Tennessee truth is dropping tomorrow, which.
Speaker 1: Is what's the deal on?
Speaker 4: Thank you? May tenth, May night eighth, what's Friday?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the tent May tenth appreciate, thank you,