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Speaker 1: do you know how we have a podcast? Yeah? And

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Speaker 1: if we don't release an episode every single week, will die. Yes,

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Speaker 1: The fine print is right there. Will you marry me? Yes?

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Speaker 1: Or no? Yes? No pressure? But Christmas will die and

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Speaker 1: So why don't you do it? Why don't you say yes?

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Speaker 1: Imagine that like when Jesus went back up to heaven.

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Speaker 1: not doing much except with the exception of the tooth Fairy.

424
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 1: Whoever forgot became intimately involved this This scene seems to

425
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 1: only happen because we need to establish that the tooth

426
00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 1: Fairy is a person because that's going to pay off later.

427
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 1: So we didn't You didn't actually need that. You could

428
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 1: have just like it wouldn't have blown my mind if

429
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 1: the tooth theory is showed up and I'm like, oh, yeah,

430
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 1: that makes sense. There's like three movies fighting to be

431
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 1: the movie. One of the movies is a rom com.

432
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:23,719
Speaker 1: One of the movies is a grand mythological Christmas movie,

433
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 1: and then another one of the movies is essentially the

434
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 1: Christmas version of Thin Redline. And if it had just

435
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 1: been the rom com, it could have been one of

436
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 1: the best Christmas rom coms. Ever. It still would have

437
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 1: been super dated, but it would have like made sense. Yeah,

438
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 1: it could have been really fun and cool, you know,

439
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 1: like the concept of like they're needing to be a

440
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 1: Mrs Claus, like I think they could have played it

441
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 1: in a way that didn't quite come off as property.

442
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 1: You know, if if they had given themselves that, if

443
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 1: they had taken away from the fascism plot line and

444
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 1: maybe characterized and fleshed out the rom com plot line,

445
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 1: maybe it would have been a little different and change

446
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 1: the wording of Jesus Christ's clause to make it less menacing. Yes,

447
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 1: exactly exactly if Jesus had if the diagetic Jesus of

448
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 1: this universe had been a little more thoughtful he wrote

449
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 1: these pauses, it would have been a better movie. Well,

450
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know what we're talking about, because

451
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 1: it took five whole men to write this movie, So

452
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 1: I don't know. There's I just think it's I mean,

453
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 1: I know that that's how these movies work, but it

454
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 1: just it is always funny to me to see how

455
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 1: many writers are credited on movies like this, and they're

456
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 1: just like really hard to understand, Like who I'm like, Okay,

457
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 1: So which of these writers, Don Sinko, ken Ed and

458
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 1: John really wanted the fascism plot to happen, Which of

459
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 1: them wanted the rom comp, which of them wanted bad

460
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 1: boy Charlie like I I want plot points attributed so

461
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 1: I know who to avoid in the future. Gosh okay.

462
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 1: So so now Scott ak Santa has to go back

463
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 1: down to Chicago or wherever his family lives to deal

464
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 1: with his son Charlie and to find a wife his wife,

465
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 1: but he also has, you know, santa responsibilities at the

466
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 1: North Pole. So this is when Curtis gets the idea

467
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 1: to use this machine that they have which will make

468
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 1: a toy version of Santa who will run the North

469
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 1: Pole while real Santa goes and does the stuff he

470
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 1: has to do. Right, So Santa takes comment and they

471
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 1: had to Chicago, where Scott link's up with his ex

472
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 1: wife Laura and her husband Neil, and they immediately fall

473
00:31:52,520 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 1: go said links up, and then after that go and

474
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 1: meet with Principal Newman to talk about Charlie getting into trouble.

475
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 1: And Principal Newman and Scott have met before and they

476
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 1: hate each other because she is a public school educator,

477
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 1: which means that she's evil. Yeah, this hates public schools. Yeah,

478
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 1: like with it with a fiery hatred that only five

479
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 1: rich guys could have committed to the page. But the

480
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting that it seems like all

481
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 1: of the qualities that we're annoying to Scott about Laura

482
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 1: in the first movie, she no longer has. In this movie,

483
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 1: she her character has basically been like like sapped from

484
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 1: her body, and those qualities now exists. In the principle,

485
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 1: all she does is say, you're a good dad, Scott.

486
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 1: You're a good dad and a better better father, and

487
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 1: a good man and a good Santa. She can't stop

488
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 1: saying what a good father he is, even though he

489
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 1: is largely absent. Like it just like I just thought

490
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 1: was very bizarre, how like her Like it's Neil's character

491
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 1: was turned up to an eleven and her character was

492
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 1: just like disattled it. Yeah there's nothing, Yeah, there's nothing there.

493
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 1: She's only there to say you did nothing wrong, you

494
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 1: are okay. And it's like, did you even see the

495
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 1: first movie, Laura. It's very hard to like talk about,

496
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 1: like really, what was Scott's emotional arc in this It's

497
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 1: like constantly the movie is telling you there's nothing wrong

498
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 1: with him and he did nothing wrong, but he he

499
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 1: still has to do this ship. But he also he

500
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 1: also see it seems like at different points they're implying

501
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 1: like well, part of the reason Charlie's getting in trouble

502
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 1: is because Scott is so absent, which I could conceive it,

503
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 1: but then that kind of goes away and they're like, no, no, no,

504
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 1: Charlie's just acting out because he's in love with Christmas

505
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 1: and he hates that he can't tell everyone that his

506
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 1: dad is Santa. You're like, well, a less interesting problem

507
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 1: to explore. Really, Charlie's arc is is accepting that it's

508
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:21,359
Speaker 1: wrong of him to miss his father, right, Yeah, that's incorrect.

509
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 1: That ending exchange was chilling to me. Between Charlie and

510
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 1: his sister Lucy. Um where he what does he say?

511
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:35,319
Speaker 1: He says, knowing isn't a burden, It's a gift. You're like,

512
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,880
Speaker 1: it's it's kind of a burden for you, Charlie, Like,

513
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 1: we got it, God, And the Lucy stuff is a

514
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 1: whole another movie, honest to God, like that, that's that's compete.

515
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 1: Lucy is Charlie's little little sister. She's a big Santa

516
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:58,720
Speaker 1: fn she loves Santa. Yeah. There are several new female

517
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 1: characters introduced in this movie, and there's there's lots to

518
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 1: talk about with all of them. Yes, and the thing

519
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,840
Speaker 1: it is like for a movie that is ostensibly about

520
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 1: that's ostensibly that wants to sell it to you as

521
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 1: a romantic comedy about Santa finding his Mrs Clause. The

522
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 1: last ten minutes of the movie don't even have Mrs

523
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 1: Clause in it, Like it's just a whole another deal,

524
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 1: like wrapping up this other threat. And then she appears

525
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 1: in the credit. Ya okay. So back at Laura and

526
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 1: Neil's house, this is when we meet their young daughter, Lucy,

527
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 1: who Santa Slash Scott has a very close relationship with,

528
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 1: and again Santa, who is now looking more and more

529
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 1: like Scott Calvin. He has started to try to meet women.

530
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 1: For example, he goes on a date with Molly Shannon,

531
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 1: who is obsessed with Christmas, but in like a freaky way.

532
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 1: So it doesn't work out. Well. I mean, I'm not

533
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,439
Speaker 1: going to complain about that scene being there, because Molly

534
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:06,359
Speaker 1: Shannon is amazing, but huh. And then at the I

535
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 1: liked her. At the end, she's like, oh, you don't

536
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 1: support my music career, Well, you don't support women, And

537
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, yeah, you're support women if you

538
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 1: don't support me being annoying at a restaurant. That's exactly

539
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,919
Speaker 1: what I think is true exactly. It was almost like

540
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 1: that joke, like a joke like making fun of me too,

541
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:33,359
Speaker 1: but like from like ultimately I agree with her. If

542
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 1: you don't support me yelling at a restaurant, you hate women, period,

543
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:41,360
Speaker 1: Like believe women? Are you saying I'm supposed to believe

544
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 1: that woman that thinks so singing voice is good? I

545
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:49,320
Speaker 1: don't think so. I didn't really know where that scene

546
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 1: was going, but always happy to see Molly Shannon. She

547
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 1: kills it. She certainly kills I would say that honestly,

548
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 1: that scene doesn't go far enough, Like I wish they

549
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:07,320
Speaker 1: had really let her unleash herself, you know, but she's

550
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:11,359
Speaker 1: never full on belting, you know, which is disappointing to me.

551
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,839
Speaker 1: Maybe in Santa Claus four, we'll bring her back in

552
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:19,840
Speaker 1: my hard Rebootum, she'll be playing an entirely different character.

553
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,720
Speaker 1: Good good, good Okay. So meanwhile, up at the North Pole,

554
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 1: Toy Santa is taking the rules too seriously and is

555
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 1: becoming a bit of a tyrant. Basically, he wants all

556
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:37,280
Speaker 1: the kids to be on the naughty list. Then Charlie

557
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 1: gets in trouble at school again, and we're more pro

558
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 1: Christmas Graffiti for doing quite honestly, even better graffiti than

559
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 1: he did the first. Yeah, by the way, it looks professional.

560
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 1: Shout out to whatever production designer was doing that. It

561
00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 1: looks great, right, Really, I honestly, watching this, I was like,

562
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 1: am I forgetting that At some point the principle or

563
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 1: someone who's like, listen, Charlie, stop messing around. You're good,

564
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 1: You're really good, but you gotta he got to stop

565
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 1: at this graffiti and start picking up a paintbrush, you know. Also,

566
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 1: I think the graffiti says trim a Trey go to

567
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:29,320
Speaker 1: jail as what it says. That's what the principle is saying,

568
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 1: which is not even clever. I think it's I think

569
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 1: it's very powerful and it's so odd to me that's

570
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 1: such a a Christmas movie that does not mention Jesus once,

571
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 1: that doesn't have a single cross also has a character,

572
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:49,360
Speaker 1: in this case hand to cause himself, Scott Galvit confront

573
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:54,240
Speaker 1: the principal and be like, wired there any Christmas trees

574
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:58,839
Speaker 1: in this school? There any lights and tinsel? And she's

575
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 1: she's very gonna be like, hey, it's a public school.

576
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 1: And he's like, well, gosh, God, God, darted, here's some

577
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 1: money for a read. But she says it's a public school,

578
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 1: therefore we don't have the funding for Christmas decorations. Not

579
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 1: it's a public school because separation of church and state,

580
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 1: like she cites the wrong reason and not for nothing,

581
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 1: but like, I mean, my experience in public school was

582
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:31,760
Speaker 1: that there was a lot of holiday stuff. Like I

583
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,439
Speaker 1: did not find that to be washed out, I mean,

584
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 1: and to the point where maybe it was warranted to

585
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:40,240
Speaker 1: be like, hey, why is there so much Christmas stuff

586
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 1: and in the in this public school, separation of church

587
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 1: and state school. But I never found that there was

588
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 1: any lack of like celebrating literally any holidays, including the

589
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 1: fund up ones that indoctrinate you into all sorts of

590
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:55,360
Speaker 1: mess up ships. So I don't even know like what

591
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 1: it's supposed to be commenting on, because I don't really

592
00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:00,720
Speaker 1: know of public school kids that didn't that weren't exposed

593
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 1: to a ton of Christmas stuff at school. Yeah, I mean, yeah,

594
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 1: we sang Christmas songs. Inqu Yeah, Santa came to school. Well, sorry,

595
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 1: I didn't go to some fancy massive she's its private

596
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 1: school with a school Santa. But that sounds pretty I'm

597
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 1: telling you. I went to public school Grace but the Golden,

598
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 1: Gilded State of the Union. God. I grew up in

599
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 1: one of the Iconically it was voted two thousand five

600
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 1: worst one places to live in the United States. Okay,

601
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 1: so Charlie gets in trouble at school. Principal Newman, whose

602
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:51,399
Speaker 1: first name is Carol by the way, Christmas Carol. She

603
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 1: makes Charlie and Scott do community service where Carol and

604
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:01,799
Speaker 1: Scott warm up to each other a bit, and then

605
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 1: later that night or some night shortly after that, Scott

606
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:10,319
Speaker 1: shows up at her house and asks if she would

607
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 1: like to get a bite to eat with him, but

608
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:18,239
Speaker 1: she was headed to the faculty Christmas party, so she

609
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:26,799
Speaker 1: invites him along, and she is so thirsty and she's like, yeah, yeah, weird, dad,

610
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 1: I hated do this morning forty short. I think it's

611
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:37,800
Speaker 1: important to note that the Santa Claus Too is actually

612
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 1: an adaptation of the novel The Price of Salt by

613
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 1: Patricia Hismith, which many will know for its other film adaptation,

614
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:54,800
Speaker 1: Carol Um. So Let's takes a lot of liberties. Basically,

615
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:57,799
Speaker 1: all of polls from the Price of Salt is that

616
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 1: this woman named Carol, and it happens that time, but

617
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:06,399
Speaker 1: it is it is cool at least that there's a

618
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 1: Disney movie that was based on a novel written by

619
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 1: a Dike icon. It's true. And we've we've covered Carol

620
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 1: on this very show. Yes, we have some shout out

621
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 1: to the movie Carol. Yeah, but he shows up. He's like,

622
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 1: there's so many points in this film where it's like

623
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 1: you really couldn't beat that, you know, like jokes where

624
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 1: you're like you really couldn't beat him being like, oh,

625
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 1: I just want to ask do you want to go

626
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 1: get noodles and pie? Like you couldn't beat that? Come on?

627
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 1: So he so he shows up invite She invites him

628
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 1: to her Christmas party. He uses some of his Santa

629
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 1: magic to take her there in a horse drawn sleigh

630
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 1: and they chat along the way. They get to know

631
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:08,360
Speaker 1: each other a little bit better. Then they go to

632
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 1: Christmas based trauma. She's like, oh, yeah, it's when my

633
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 1: parents told me grow up because Christmas reasons. And she's like,

634
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 1: and that's why I didn't someone at school. Yeah, yeah,

635
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 1: who was saying Santa isn't real? Yeah, Like there's so

636
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 1: many not so many, but like two or three moments

637
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:32,320
Speaker 1: in this movie, where it's implied that like it is

638
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 1: a deep psychic wound that has led Carol to become

639
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 1: a public school teacher, Like I don't know why this

640
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 1: movie hates public school teachers so much, because it's also

641
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:47,879
Speaker 1: implied that her like weird Christmas traumas, like and that's

642
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 1: why I'm the meanest teacher in the whole world. And

643
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 1: you're like, well, I desire. I had a Christmas committed

644
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:03,919
Speaker 1: psychic wound um that led me to becoming a comedy writer,

645
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 1: which was that I found out Santa wasn't real because

646
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 1: I was reading the Sunday Funnies and there was like

647
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 1: one of those It wasn't the Far Side. It was

648
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 1: like a far Side rip off, you know, like single

649
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:23,840
Speaker 1: panel comic, like like F is for fake or something,

650
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 1: and there was a comic about how Santa wasn't real,

651
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 1: and for whatever reason, like I got the like I

652
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:34,800
Speaker 1: read the Funnies every day, I got the joke, and

653
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:38,280
Speaker 1: the way this joke was positioned for whatever reason, really

654
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:41,400
Speaker 1: convinced me. I was like, Wow, that must mean I mean,

655
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:43,840
Speaker 1: this joke wouldn't make sense if he was real. I

656
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 1: don't know, like I was just like Wow, Santa for

657
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 1: real definitely doesn't exist. And because of that, I became

658
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:53,839
Speaker 1: a comedian because I want to prove that you can

659
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 1: do good comedy without telling kids that Santa isn't real.

660
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:02,280
Speaker 1: So any kids are listening to this right now, Santa Israel.

661
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 1: Actually we've just been goofing, but Santa Israel. Yeah, I

662
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 1: hope that if kids are still listening to this, um

663
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 1: Santa Israel. I feel like I double and triple down

664
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 1: on finding out Santa wasn't real each and every year

665
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 1: by adding more Santas to Santa University, and just you know,

666
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 1: adding a multiplier to the number, the sheer number of

667
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:30,720
Speaker 1: Santa's that are real but also very mortal, you know, true,

668
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 1: much like these Santa's, much like Scott. Scott will die

669
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 1: if he doesn't find a wife so soon, which is

670
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 1: why he goes to the party with Carol and it's

671
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,879
Speaker 1: and the party is She's back, doll. So Scott uses

672
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 1: some more of his Santa magic to liven it up,

673
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 1: and he gives all the party goers a bunch of

674
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 1: gifts classic retroad toys. Right, and he's running out of

675
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:55,840
Speaker 1: his Santa magic, which means he's gonna have trouble getting

676
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 1: back to the North Pole. I forgot to add that

677
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 1: part in there. But Carol is suspicious of Scott and

678
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 1: all the magic he seems to be using, but she's

679
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 1: also dazzled. And Carol and Scott kiss and it's a

680
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 1: bad kiss. Sorry, it's a really bad I'm like, we

681
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 1: can't get a second take on this kiss. They're just

682
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 1: like sometimes you're just like wow, kids, Like it's a

683
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:19,879
Speaker 1: kiss that made me think wow, a kisses just two

684
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 1: faces next to each other. I mean, to be fair

685
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 1: to the filmmaker, is Scott is like I haven't done

686
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 1: this in a while, but truly, I mean, like, come on, man, like,

687
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 1: I mean, Tim Allen is disgusting. And also like I

688
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 1: would say that the original Santa Claus suggests that he

689
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 1: kind of has a game. I'm not saying that's a

690
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 1: good thing. I'm not saying he has a respectful games.

691
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he's a good person, but I am

692
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:51,840
Speaker 1: saying that the original Santa Claus kind of suggests that

693
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:55,959
Speaker 1: Scott Calvin has game. Yeah, I agree, And it's it's

694
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 1: like this, I mean, I feel like, you know, you

695
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 1: do have the evil Tim Allen represented in this movie

696
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 1: through fascy Santa Claus. I feel like I can see

697
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 1: fashy Santa Claus easily texting carl Marks Communist Manifesto Wikipedia

698
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 1: every single morning. Probably no problem. But Scott Calvin, the

699
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 1: centrist Santa Claus, if you will, um, yeah, just a

700
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 1: sexless weirdo in this one, really doesn't really plant one

701
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 1: on the woman he will very soon basically forced to

702
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 1: marry him. If you are ideologically standing on sand and

703
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 1: your dick's going to be as wobbly as your legs. Which,

704
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:44,799
Speaker 1: Scott Calvin, when you say that like that, I can

705
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:47,800
Speaker 1: just see that in like a cursive font on a

706
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 1: picture of Okay, so there's a there's a gross kiss. Uh.

707
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 1: And then he tells Carol that he is Santa Claus,

708
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:01,360
Speaker 1: but she thinks that he is mocking her and she

709
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 1: doesn't believe him, so she kicks him out of her house.

710
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 1: Then Scott and his son Charlie have an argument because

711
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 1: Charlie is resentful of having to keep the secret that

712
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:16,320
Speaker 1: his dad is Santa and he's also upset that his

713
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 1: dad is seeing his principal and didn't even tell Charlie

714
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 1: about it. Oh fuck, that means Charlie's in danger of

715
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 1: becoming a public school principle, right with all this Christmas

716
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 1: related trauma that he's got to come on, you don't

717
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 1: want your kid to be a public school principle, want

718
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:40,320
Speaker 1: to be a charter school principle so they can defraud

719
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 1: the school out of hundreds of thousands of not the dream.

720
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:51,720
Speaker 1: I would also like to say that, interestingly enough, Carol

721
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 1: says something maybe like the only thing I've ever seen

722
00:48:56,040 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 1: in a Disney movie that approaches being like really body

723
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 1: fat positive whatever, at least from that time, from when

724
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 1: I was growing up, not like the more recent ones

725
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 1: Disney as Queen. You're really doing it? Thank you now?

726
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 1: Like you girl. So at one point, Scott tells Carol

727
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:22,320
Speaker 1: before he says that he's Santa, He's like, I'm usually

728
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:25,800
Speaker 1: a lot more bigger than this, and she goes, that's okay,

729
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:30,400
Speaker 1: I am sometimes too. Yeah. I thought that was beautiful.

730
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 1: But because she's seen him when he's really fat before,

731
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:39,800
Speaker 1: like that, you know, she's And I was like, I

732
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:43,319
Speaker 1: love Carol, Yes, Carrol, and I've actually the whole movie.

733
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 1: I liked Carrol as a character. I thought she was

734
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:50,720
Speaker 1: like fun and that's that's that's what makes what's about

735
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 1: to happen even more tragic because like in the ending

736
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:57,759
Speaker 1: bit of this, they do what they did to Scott's wife,

737
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 1: They lobotomized Carroll and turn her into like just another

738
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 1: little like one of his wenches, right right, And I

739
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:10,360
Speaker 1: do I do think it's like Carol, I agree with that.

740
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 1: I feel like, I mean, I don't. I don't love

741
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 1: how she's written at a lot of points. And I

742
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 1: feel like they really like make her evil at work

743
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:20,920
Speaker 1: in a way that feels pretty gendered of like, oh,

744
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:23,680
Speaker 1: you know, like women have to be really mean at

745
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:26,239
Speaker 1: work or people won't take them seriously kind of thing.

746
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 1: But I feel like there is an angle from which

747
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:30,880
Speaker 1: you can see Carol where it's like, you know, she

748
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 1: projects this very intense image at school, but then like

749
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:38,919
Speaker 1: among among friends, she's chill, she's fun, And I feel

750
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:42,400
Speaker 1: like that is actually a real teacher archetype exists in

751
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 1: the world. I've had teachers like that who are like

752
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 1: friends with my parents or like friends with were like neighbors,

753
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:52,279
Speaker 1: and they're not scary in a neighbor context, but when

754
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:57,400
Speaker 1: they're like dance fast or Jamie, and so I just

755
00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:00,920
Speaker 1: wanted to shout out miss Carol Thomas from Brockton High

756
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 1: School who was yelling at me to dance faster. But

757
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 1: she was my cousin's neighbor and she was nice. Okay,

758
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:12,359
Speaker 1: carols like that exists. So at the North Pole. Back

759
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 1: of the North Pole, Toy Santa is now a fascist

760
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 1: dictator who has built an army of toy soldiers and

761
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:22,400
Speaker 1: he is hell bent on giving all the children in

762
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:25,720
Speaker 1: the world lumps of coal. He says, I am a despot.

763
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 1: He does, yes, he just says that out loud on purpose.

764
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 1: I really think that if they if they wanted to

765
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 1: actually do that, they should have gone all the way

766
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 1: and they should have had him killed Bernard, I mean,

767
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 1: don't even take I have so few things off and

768
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 1: held it up over the alums and screamed, you want

769
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:03,839
Speaker 1: to you. I guess he really is the Headolf now,

770
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 1: And that would have made sense too, because Bernard isn't

771
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 1: in the third film Wow. Instead, Instead, toy Santa just

772
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:22,400
Speaker 1: arrests Bernard. Yeah, and he's a he's still a pow

773
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 1: yeah yeah. Yeah. So then Curtis the Elf goes to

774
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 1: Scott and tells him about the problems with Toy Santa,

775
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:33,879
Speaker 1: but Scott can't get back to the North Pole because

776
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 1: he used up too much of his Santa magic and

777
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:40,880
Speaker 1: comment cannot fly because he ate too much candy and

778
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 1: gained a lot of weight. So even though there's that

779
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 1: one moment in the movie, there's still quite a bit

780
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:52,800
Speaker 1: of fat phobia in this like yeah, in like the

781
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 1: most like I mean, and this is not the worst

782
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:56,480
Speaker 1: part of that scene because it's like a very like

783
00:52:56,680 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 1: a fat phobic moment um. But the fart sound effect

784
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 1: that they choose really does sound like fart dot MP three.

785
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:08,439
Speaker 1: It is the most uninspired fart sound I've ever heard

786
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 1: in all of cinema. I'm like, you gotta make your

787
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 1: farts custom with this. What wait, let's check in on

788
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 1: the budget this movie had. It was sixty million dollar

789
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 1: budget and they played fart dot MP three unconscionable m

790
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 1: m and in two thousand and two. So they can't

791
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:30,239
Speaker 1: get back to the North Pole Son. They have to

792
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 1: call upon the Tooth Fairy to get Scott back to

793
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:39,880
Speaker 1: the North Pole. Meanwhile, Charlie shows Carol the magic snow

794
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 1: globe that Bernard had given him in the first movie

795
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 1: to get her to believe that Scott is Santa. And

796
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 1: I don't understand how that works, but it does, and

797
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 1: now she believes it just shines. A bright light comes

798
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:59,319
Speaker 1: out of it and she's like, fuck, dude, your dad

799
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:03,840
Speaker 1: is to Holy shit. So back at the North Pole,

800
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:09,240
Speaker 1: Scott tries to confront Toy Santa, who captures Scott and Curtis,

801
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 1: but then the Tooth Fairy shows up again with Charlie

802
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:16,440
Speaker 1: and Carol, who untied Scott, and then he and the

803
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 1: Elves go to try to stop Toy Santa, but it's

804
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 1: too late. Toy Santa has already left to deliver all

805
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 1: the cold to the children of the world because I

806
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 1: guess now it's also Christmas Eve. Question mark. Yeah, that

807
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:31,480
Speaker 1: happened pretty quickly. I wasn't clear on that either. But

808
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:36,280
Speaker 1: Real Santa chases after Dictator Toy Santa on this reindeer

809
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:40,800
Speaker 1: and training named Chet, and he successfully stops Toy Santa

810
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:45,879
Speaker 1: and then the Elves the most uninspired action sequence. It's

811
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:49,400
Speaker 1: really bad. It's oh my god. Tim Allen does a

812
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:53,840
Speaker 1: line from Toy Story that you're what is it like,

813
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:57,879
Speaker 1: you're sad strange children. The Toy Story came out seven

814
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:01,399
Speaker 1: years ago at that point, why is he doing I'm

815
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:05,880
Speaker 1: not sure? Hard to say well, they had five writers,

816
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:08,239
Speaker 1: but they were still missing the line when they turned

817
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:11,480
Speaker 1: it in, so the producers had to copy and taste

818
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:13,840
Speaker 1: something from one of those. Should have said Carl Mark's

819
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:18,120
Speaker 1: Communist Manifesto Wikipinia. That would have been. That would have really,

820
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:20,680
Speaker 1: you know, Gussie did up. He should have been like

821
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:26,439
Speaker 1: a quote from Benito Mussolini. He should have said something

822
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 1: about how he kept the sleigh running on time or something. Oh,

823
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:41,440
Speaker 1: that is on par with the beheading Bernard's suggestion. Okay,

824
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:45,320
Speaker 1: So then, so Christmas is saved, but Scott has to

825
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:48,640
Speaker 1: tell Carol that he can't keeping Santa unless he finds

826
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:52,360
Speaker 1: a Mrs Claus. So then he proposes to Carol and

827
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:56,319
Speaker 1: she says yes, and then they get married that night,

828
00:55:57,080 --> 00:55:59,719
Speaker 1: and then he delivers the toys around the world, and

829
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:03,279
Speaker 1: then movie ends with Scott and Charlie and Lucy having

830
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:06,239
Speaker 1: a nice tender moment. That's the end of the movie.

831
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:09,799
Speaker 1: Let's take a quick break and then we will come

832
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:19,720
Speaker 1: back to discuss and we're back. Okay, So what haven't

833
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:24,319
Speaker 1: we covered at this points? Quite a lot. I would say,

834
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 1: there's so much stuff to talk about. It's the fucking

835
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 1: the proposal. Okay, So yeah, let's talk about what happens

836
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:37,799
Speaker 1: to poor Carrol, who I do agree. I essentially like care.

837
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:39,960
Speaker 1: I feel like there is enough written about her that

838
00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:43,239
Speaker 1: you're like, I like this lady. I I see why

839
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 1: she and Scott are mostly I see like I it's

840
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 1: not the least chemistry I've ever seen between two characters.

841
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:54,879
Speaker 1: So there, So there's that, There's that. There's the fact

842
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 1: that the whole premise of this movie hinges on Santa

843
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:02,600
Speaker 1: needing to find a his wife. But like, we don't

844
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:06,920
Speaker 1: know why that's it's never established why that's part of it?

845
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:12,200
Speaker 1: Why is heteronormativity? What Jesus said, is Jesus, why don't

846
00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:15,920
Speaker 1: they ever challenge this institution that is creating all of

847
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 1: these clauses? And who is it? Like Mother Earth? Like

848
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 1: who's in charge of this? And why can't they defy it?

849
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 1: I would say, I would say maybe it is Mother Earth,

850
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:29,560
Speaker 1: because there are a few suggestions that she is essentially God,

851
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 1: you know, throughout. Yeah. So another thing about this relationship

852
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 1: is it's another example of like two people who will

853
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 1: end up in a romantic relationship, but they start out

854
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:45,360
Speaker 1: hating each other. I don't know why this is such

855
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:50,320
Speaker 1: a common premise for a romantic storyline, and he's two lovers. Baby.

856
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 1: I personally never had that happened to me. I'm personally

857
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 1: never in my life started out hating someone and then

858
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:02,560
Speaker 1: ended up like marrying them. Oh wait, do you want

859
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 1: to like fuck like I think wait, not too long

860
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:10,120
Speaker 1: ago quote? Oh I think it was in the It

861
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:13,480
Speaker 1: was that you've got male episodes. Yes, there's like a

862
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:17,160
Speaker 1: Nora Fron quote about how nonsensical to set up is,

863
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 1: except that she's like, well, but it's a movie, so

864
00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:21,560
Speaker 1: you have to do it. Where it's like, yeah, I've

865
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:25,960
Speaker 1: certainly never absolutely fucking hated someone upon meeting them and

866
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:28,800
Speaker 1: then later realized that it was they were my one

867
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:32,600
Speaker 1: true love. It's not something that happens. And I would say,

868
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:35,520
Speaker 1: if it is happening to you, maybe maybe take a

869
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:38,080
Speaker 1: look at what's going on, you know, could be maybe

870
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:40,680
Speaker 1: a red flag to suddenly be like, actually, I don't

871
00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:45,440
Speaker 1: fucking hate you, I fucking love you, you know, yes,

872
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:49,640
Speaker 1: and then and then her flipping and deciding that she, oh,

873
00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:51,560
Speaker 1: he's not so bad after all. I don't I can't

874
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:56,680
Speaker 1: really track that evolution. The most disturbing part I think

875
00:58:56,720 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 1: of that whole arc more than like her flip and

876
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:05,960
Speaker 1: being like ude or whatever is in the proposal, Santa

877
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:11,240
Speaker 1: essentially says that he groomed her like He's like, it's

878
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:15,800
Speaker 1: so weird. He's like, I've been with you since you

879
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:19,520
Speaker 1: were a kid. I've always been there for you. I've

880
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:24,480
Speaker 1: always loved you, haven't I, Carol, It's really good. So, yeah,

881
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:27,480
Speaker 1: that is like perverted to say. And also it wasn't him.

882
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:29,880
Speaker 1: It was one of the old Santas. He's only even

883
00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:32,920
Speaker 1: Santa for eight years, which is Cannon in the movie.

884
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:36,000
Speaker 1: But that makes him feel like hereditary. It makes me

885
00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:40,320
Speaker 1: feel like feel like she was bred for this, you know.

886
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:43,120
Speaker 1: It makes you feel like she was designing for this.

887
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:46,800
Speaker 1: And it's weird to have all these owls to be like,

888
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:50,760
Speaker 1: come on marrying him, marry him like you can. You

889
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:53,840
Speaker 1: can almost see her saying no and then then grabbing

890
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:59,800
Speaker 1: at her and like eating her, you know. Yeah, and

891
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:04,800
Speaker 1: then she's transformed into something inhuman, which we see in

892
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:08,800
Speaker 1: the credits when she is like turned into this Mrs Claus,

893
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:14,280
Speaker 1: a totally different person than who she was just dancing around,

894
01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:19,320
Speaker 1: fattened up, totally different hair. The Santa Claus her insformation

895
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:22,920
Speaker 1: in the original film to me, does come off as magical,

896
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:26,840
Speaker 1: but the Mrs Claus transformation comes off his body horror

897
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:31,600
Speaker 1: to me at least. And that's not me being fatphobic.

898
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:34,400
Speaker 1: I'm I'm just saying that, like, this woman was kind

899
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:39,240
Speaker 1: of forced into turning this in human mythological character that's

900
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:42,840
Speaker 1: not her right and and then like the the it's

901
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:46,320
Speaker 1: supposed to be okay because well she can still teach,

902
01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:49,360
Speaker 1: and so in that way, uh, you know, has she

903
01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:51,840
Speaker 1: really lost anything? It's like, well, yeah, what about her

904
01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:57,040
Speaker 1: like family and life and also a choice in the matter.

905
01:00:57,720 --> 01:00:59,720
Speaker 1: Um yeah, because the elves, I mean, the elves would

906
01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:01,560
Speaker 1: have so really eat her if she said no, because

907
01:01:01,640 --> 01:01:06,400
Speaker 1: their whole fucking ecosystem relies on her saying yes right now.

908
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:11,120
Speaker 1: And there I also thought it was the abbey, Abbey

909
01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:15,080
Speaker 1: the elf there's still I mean, look, the North Paul

910
01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:20,120
Speaker 1: is a patriarchy in this movie. There are no girl

911
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:24,880
Speaker 1: elves in high up positions. It's Bernard and it's what's

912
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:28,160
Speaker 1: his name, little Spencer Breslin flopping around Wait wait wait wait,

913
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:31,000
Speaker 1: it's a really high up position to be Santa's waitress.

914
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:37,920
Speaker 1: She's get his full time waitress. And then he's so

915
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:42,800
Speaker 1: like emotionally unintelligent that she has to start proposing to Carol.

916
01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:48,040
Speaker 1: For him, it's his little child made that he flirts

917
01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:51,600
Speaker 1: with time, you know, it's so creepy. And then yeah,

918
01:01:51,640 --> 01:01:56,400
Speaker 1: part of that proposal is him guilty Carol into marrying him,

919
01:01:56,520 --> 01:01:58,640
Speaker 1: saying like, hey, you know pressure, But if I don't

920
01:01:58,680 --> 01:02:02,280
Speaker 1: get married, you know, Christmas won't happen, the children everywhere,

921
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:06,000
Speaker 1: we'll stop believing in Christmas and Instanta, that the elves

922
01:02:06,080 --> 01:02:09,080
Speaker 1: will lose their job. So she like basically has no

923
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:11,640
Speaker 1: choice but to be like, I guess I have to

924
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:15,240
Speaker 1: marry you now. And it's it's like the steaks being

925
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:17,840
Speaker 1: this high is presented as a joke, and then she

926
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:20,160
Speaker 1: kind of responds like ha ha ha, well I guess

927
01:02:20,200 --> 01:02:22,320
Speaker 1: what else am I supposed to do? And then she

928
01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:25,320
Speaker 1: don't come home too late and then and then he

929
01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:28,600
Speaker 1: turned back into Santa before her very eyes. It's very

930
01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:32,720
Speaker 1: like there's an instant God. And this also means that

931
01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:36,280
Speaker 1: Carol now has to sacrifice everything in her life, which

932
01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:39,600
Speaker 1: does get commented on. He's like, I know, I'm asking

933
01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:42,280
Speaker 1: you to leave everything behind, but this place is worth it.

934
01:02:42,560 --> 01:02:44,520
Speaker 1: But she like has to leave her life, her job,

935
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:48,439
Speaker 1: like her family say goodbye. It doesn't seem like she's

936
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:50,400
Speaker 1: like it to go back get her stuff. And as

937
01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:55,160
Speaker 1: we've we've spoken on before in the Santa Clause three episodes,

938
01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:59,760
Speaker 1: it does feel like the school she teaches was kind

939
01:02:59,800 --> 01:03:02,400
Speaker 1: of just created so she had a place to teach.

940
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:08,560
Speaker 1: I mean, these are immortal, like how does this work?

941
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:11,720
Speaker 1: You know? And also it's like she doesn't she can't

942
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:15,320
Speaker 1: teach what they need to know. She's like a mobster

943
01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:18,959
Speaker 1: buys a nightclub so that his girlfriend has a place

944
01:03:19,040 --> 01:03:26,360
Speaker 1: to sing. This This does get suggested at the end

945
01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:30,240
Speaker 1: of this movie because he's like, and yes, um, you

946
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:33,120
Speaker 1: can be the principal at the school here that we

947
01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:36,560
Speaker 1: definitely have at the North Pole for sure, we already

948
01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:42,080
Speaker 1: have that wank wang. Yeah, so they're clearly lying about that.

949
01:03:42,680 --> 01:03:47,200
Speaker 1: But bottom line, she has to sacrifice everything in her

950
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:53,720
Speaker 1: life before that. I mean, the romance leading up to

951
01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:58,640
Speaker 1: this very bizarre, scary proposal is again him showing up

952
01:03:58,760 --> 01:04:02,400
Speaker 1: at her house to ask her out, and they go

953
01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:06,520
Speaker 1: on one day. They have the worst kiss in all

954
01:04:06,600 --> 01:04:09,919
Speaker 1: of movies. Yeah, I was worried that he was going

955
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:12,520
Speaker 1: to wait a long time because I didn't remember how

956
01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:15,600
Speaker 1: this movie hands out exactly. I wasn't sure about the

957
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:18,160
Speaker 1: like specific plot points, and I was worried that he

958
01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:21,680
Speaker 1: was going to wait a long time to tell Carol

959
01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:24,680
Speaker 1: that he is Santa, because that's the type of thing

960
01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:28,240
Speaker 1: where in a movie like this, the character often a

961
01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:32,320
Speaker 1: man would keep this secret and keep lying to his

962
01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:35,360
Speaker 1: love interest. So I was surprised he's a friend about it.

963
01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:38,160
Speaker 1: Though he's a friend about it, he tells her very quickly.

964
01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:41,040
Speaker 1: It's like at the end of their first and only date,

965
01:04:41,720 --> 01:04:44,960
Speaker 1: what he should have done is invited her back to

966
01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:47,720
Speaker 1: the house. He was saying at his his excess house,

967
01:04:48,080 --> 01:04:51,920
Speaker 1: brought her to the backyard, been like, here's a reindeer,

968
01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:57,640
Speaker 1: look at him fly. That would have been the same

969
01:04:57,800 --> 01:05:01,280
Speaker 1: moral thing, like him revealing a secret. But in a

970
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:05,480
Speaker 1: way that's like there you go. You know that makes sense,

971
01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:09,280
Speaker 1: Like here's your decision. I would say, honestly, telling someone

972
01:05:09,360 --> 01:05:12,040
Speaker 1: your Santa at the end of the first date, it's

973
01:05:12,080 --> 01:05:15,920
Speaker 1: too soon. I mean, it's I don't want to know

974
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:18,000
Speaker 1: at the end of the first date. I would want

975
01:05:18,040 --> 01:05:20,080
Speaker 1: to know, but also I want to know on a

976
01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:22,800
Speaker 1: second day. For some reason, it's confusing that she doesn't

977
01:05:22,840 --> 01:05:27,480
Speaker 1: believe him because she's seen what is clearly magic on

978
01:05:27,720 --> 01:05:30,840
Speaker 1: display that he is doing in front of her very eyes.

979
01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:34,920
Speaker 1: But then when he like contextualizes it, she's like, no,

980
01:05:35,160 --> 01:05:37,120
Speaker 1: you're making fun of me because I told you about

981
01:05:37,160 --> 01:05:40,600
Speaker 1: my Christmas trauma. Yeah, and that's such at least she like,

982
01:05:41,160 --> 01:05:45,480
Speaker 1: I told you that I like, I liked Christmas, but

983
01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:49,040
Speaker 1: then a kind of bad thing happened that maybe a

984
01:05:49,120 --> 01:05:51,760
Speaker 1: lot of people would probably not still be caught up on.

985
01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:56,320
Speaker 1: But why and you're making fun of me by Like

986
01:05:56,720 --> 01:05:59,040
Speaker 1: if I never been hurt by that too, Like even

987
01:05:59,080 --> 01:06:03,000
Speaker 1: if he was Joe game right, Like, how dare you

988
01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:08,040
Speaker 1: joke that your Santa Claus? You know? She was really

989
01:06:08,120 --> 01:06:11,800
Speaker 1: put on? I mean I almost got there with understand

990
01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:14,360
Speaker 1: because she was. But she's like, what are You're making

991
01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:16,560
Speaker 1: fun of me because of my Christmas trauma and now

992
01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:18,480
Speaker 1: you're telling me you're Santa Claus? Like, I don't know

993
01:06:18,560 --> 01:06:21,240
Speaker 1: that that would be an antagonistic response. It would be

994
01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:24,120
Speaker 1: a weird one if he were making it up, But

995
01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:27,960
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't, Yeah, but who cares. Also, in

996
01:06:28,200 --> 01:06:32,400
Speaker 1: the scene where they're bond, I guess we're supposed to

997
01:06:32,520 --> 01:06:37,080
Speaker 1: think that they are bonding over their love of Christmas

998
01:06:37,240 --> 01:06:39,800
Speaker 1: or their former her former love of Christmas. I don't

999
01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:42,560
Speaker 1: know what. Whatever they bond over is like, definitely not

1000
01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:45,240
Speaker 1: enough to build a marriage on, because it's like pizza

1001
01:06:45,280 --> 01:06:48,520
Speaker 1: crust and the model of some random car. But the

1002
01:06:48,600 --> 01:06:52,040
Speaker 1: clause doesn't require, as Grace pointed out, a happy marriage.

1003
01:06:52,080 --> 01:06:55,200
Speaker 1: It just requires a marriage. And this is just to

1004
01:06:55,280 --> 01:06:58,280
Speaker 1: go to my point that if this whole movie had

1005
01:06:58,360 --> 01:07:02,520
Speaker 1: just been about that romance could have been good. But

1006
01:07:02,720 --> 01:07:04,960
Speaker 1: they have, like, I don't know, ten pages of the

1007
01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:11,280
Speaker 1: screenplay allocated to developing this romance, so you hardly get

1008
01:07:11,320 --> 01:07:13,960
Speaker 1: any of that. And then the movie just like presents

1009
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:17,240
Speaker 1: this very weird, rushed saying where he's like, by the way,

1010
01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:19,160
Speaker 1: I came here to find a wife, but I didn't

1011
01:07:19,200 --> 01:07:22,080
Speaker 1: expect to fall in love because that's not detailed in

1012
01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:24,320
Speaker 1: the clause. I don't need to do that, which is

1013
01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:28,520
Speaker 1: also so bleak. And then she's like, wait a minute,

1014
01:07:28,560 --> 01:07:33,520
Speaker 1: you love me? Oh my gosh, wow awesome. But I

1015
01:07:33,600 --> 01:07:36,840
Speaker 1: mean the way romantic love is depicted in almost every

1016
01:07:36,920 --> 01:07:43,400
Speaker 1: movie is upsetting. It's not good. Can we talk about Lucy? Yes,

1017
01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:45,680
Speaker 1: which I think Grace, did you say that sounds like

1018
01:07:45,720 --> 01:07:49,000
Speaker 1: a whole other movie. Yeah, I mean, like the first

1019
01:07:49,120 --> 01:07:54,720
Speaker 1: movie was all about Charlie and Santa's relationship. This movie

1020
01:07:54,880 --> 01:07:57,600
Speaker 1: tries to get that again. So Lucy, I don't know

1021
01:07:57,680 --> 01:08:01,680
Speaker 1: if we've been clear enough. Is is Neil and Neil

1022
01:08:01,720 --> 01:08:03,800
Speaker 1: and Laura's kid? Yeah? And I like that. I like

1023
01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:07,280
Speaker 1: that we see that Lucy has a good relationship with Scott. Yeah,

1024
01:08:07,360 --> 01:08:11,160
Speaker 1: that's cool. That is cool, Like and the road strokes,

1025
01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:13,240
Speaker 1: I guess it's cool. Like they keep like kind of

1026
01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:17,680
Speaker 1: gaslighting her about like how Scott is in Santa, Like

1027
01:08:17,760 --> 01:08:21,760
Speaker 1: maybe that's too severe for worried about like they keep

1028
01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:24,600
Speaker 1: telling being like, oh no, that reindeer and all that,

1029
01:08:24,800 --> 01:08:28,120
Speaker 1: but he's not Santa. But the thing is, they really

1030
01:08:28,160 --> 01:08:29,600
Speaker 1: try to have their cake and eat it two in

1031
01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:32,439
Speaker 1: a million ways in this movie, including by trying to

1032
01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:37,479
Speaker 1: have another Charlie Santa story engine but with Lucy, and

1033
01:08:37,640 --> 01:08:41,160
Speaker 1: Lucy has like twelve minutes of screen time, you know,

1034
01:08:41,280 --> 01:08:44,639
Speaker 1: like it just isn't it's just not there. It's it's

1035
01:08:44,720 --> 01:08:47,760
Speaker 1: not And Lucy doesn't she come back for three She's

1036
01:08:47,800 --> 01:08:51,400
Speaker 1: back and she does. She does. Yeah, And she doesn't

1037
01:08:51,439 --> 01:08:54,800
Speaker 1: really have much of a of a character, and she

1038
01:08:54,960 --> 01:09:00,160
Speaker 1: loves Christmas. Charlie had more. Charlie had like some SATs Tom,

1039
01:09:00,240 --> 01:09:04,560
Speaker 1: some comedy about him and Lucy is just like like

1040
01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:07,280
Speaker 1: when they need a kid to be like, but Chris

1041
01:09:07,479 --> 01:09:10,519
Speaker 1: on Christmas, we're not supposed to fight or YadA, YadA, YadA,

1042
01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:13,559
Speaker 1: that sort of thing. Right, there she is and there

1043
01:09:13,640 --> 01:09:16,200
Speaker 1: she is baby. I don't yeah, I I wish that

1044
01:09:16,280 --> 01:09:19,080
Speaker 1: there was a lot because that that kid is so cute,

1045
01:09:19,120 --> 01:09:21,559
Speaker 1: and I liked the idea of like building a relationship

1046
01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:24,439
Speaker 1: with her and Charlie, but that the end scene you

1047
01:09:24,520 --> 01:09:28,320
Speaker 1: get with them is so bleak, where Charlie just sort

1048
01:09:28,360 --> 01:09:31,559
Speaker 1: of is just like the knowledge that your stepfather is Santa,

1049
01:09:31,640 --> 01:09:33,559
Speaker 1: don't let it be a burden, let it be a gift.

1050
01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:37,120
Speaker 1: But if you fucking tell anyone, the whole family is screwed.

1051
01:09:37,439 --> 01:09:41,120
Speaker 1: Like it's just oh, there's all of these like burdens

1052
01:09:41,400 --> 01:09:44,600
Speaker 1: on this family. And then Laura has been like incepted

1053
01:09:45,080 --> 01:09:48,640
Speaker 1: by some someone. Where did she go? I I just

1054
01:09:48,760 --> 01:09:51,880
Speaker 1: I wonder what the like, what the thinking was behind

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01:09:52,080 --> 01:09:55,360
Speaker 1: that that like totally removed. I'm like, can you not

1056
01:09:55,560 --> 01:10:00,240
Speaker 1: have two adult women with opinions in one movie? Like

1057
01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:02,599
Speaker 1: do you have to take them and then give them?

1058
01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:04,920
Speaker 1: In the Santa Clause movies, it seems part of the

1059
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:09,320
Speaker 1: Christmas magic is an enchantment in the North Pole, where

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01:10:09,320 --> 01:10:18,640
Speaker 1: if you're a woman who goes there, you are lobotomized, forever, servant, dossile,

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01:10:19,200 --> 01:10:22,880
Speaker 1: not good. It's a very yeah, it's a very sinister vibe.

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01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:25,360
Speaker 1: When an adult woman is taken to the North Pole,

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01:10:25,439 --> 01:10:29,400
Speaker 1: it never ends well for them. All right, what did?

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01:10:29,760 --> 01:10:32,280
Speaker 1: Is there anything else people want to touch on? Just that?

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01:10:32,680 --> 01:10:34,360
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I guess we We talked a little

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01:10:34,400 --> 01:10:38,880
Speaker 1: bit about Abby the elf seeming to be an important elf,

1067
01:10:39,040 --> 01:10:43,000
Speaker 1: but only in the sense that she brings Coco to Santa,

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01:10:43,120 --> 01:10:47,599
Speaker 1: whereas like Curtis and Bernard are the ones making important decisions.

1069
01:10:47,920 --> 01:10:50,679
Speaker 1: I feel like there's still kind of weird vibes between

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01:10:50,720 --> 01:10:53,000
Speaker 1: her and Santa, But at least it's not like in

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01:10:53,080 --> 01:10:59,200
Speaker 1: the first movie where they like explicitly yeah, that will

1072
01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:02,160
Speaker 1: never leave me that it was awful, Like so good,

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01:11:02,240 --> 01:11:05,280
Speaker 1: good on you the Santa Claus two writers for not

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01:11:05,479 --> 01:11:08,160
Speaker 1: having that happen right. Also, at the end, she has

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01:11:08,240 --> 01:11:11,600
Speaker 1: to be saved by Charlie when the Toys soldiers are

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01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:14,840
Speaker 1: attacking the elves, and that doesn't make any sense. He

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01:11:15,080 --> 01:11:19,840
Speaker 1: just play he raffles down right from where because that's

1078
01:11:19,880 --> 01:11:23,720
Speaker 1: my new thing? Oh bad boy? Charlie, we love him. Yeah,

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01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:25,320
Speaker 1: And then also I mean it's like this is an

1080
01:11:25,360 --> 01:11:27,760
Speaker 1: extension of what happens in the first movie, but every

1081
01:11:27,880 --> 01:11:31,679
Speaker 1: like because Neil's goofy nous is turned up to an eleven.

1082
01:11:32,240 --> 01:11:34,599
Speaker 1: Like in the first and in all movies of this era,

1083
01:11:34,760 --> 01:11:38,879
Speaker 1: any therapist character is like what a what a loser?

1084
01:11:39,080 --> 01:11:41,800
Speaker 1: This person is doing nothing for no one. Therapy is

1085
01:11:42,160 --> 01:11:44,920
Speaker 1: for weak people and we don't believe in it. And

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01:11:45,080 --> 01:11:48,200
Speaker 1: like this one goes even further. At one point, Scott

1087
01:11:48,360 --> 01:11:51,840
Speaker 1: is like, have you ever helped a single person? And

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01:11:52,040 --> 01:11:58,680
Speaker 1: Neil does says nothing, like yeah. It's it's like cartoonistually

1089
01:11:58,840 --> 01:12:02,080
Speaker 1: over the top in terms of like that I don't know,

1090
01:12:02,360 --> 01:12:04,439
Speaker 1: but that was again like so many Disney movies at

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01:12:04,439 --> 01:12:06,599
Speaker 1: that time, because it's I always think of the Jamie

1092
01:12:06,680 --> 01:12:09,320
Speaker 1: Lee Curtis Freaky Friday character too, where like the people

1093
01:12:09,400 --> 01:12:11,360
Speaker 1: who come to her when she's a therapist and that

1094
01:12:12,080 --> 01:12:17,160
Speaker 1: are like so overplayed and so like mothered and demonized.

1095
01:12:17,240 --> 01:12:19,160
Speaker 1: And you don't see any of Neil's patients, but you

1096
01:12:19,280 --> 01:12:24,320
Speaker 1: just see him being absolutely like read to ship over

1097
01:12:24,400 --> 01:12:26,439
Speaker 1: and over and over of like your job isn't real,

1098
01:12:26,760 --> 01:12:30,120
Speaker 1: like and from Santa Claus Santa Claus is saying, I

1099
01:12:30,160 --> 01:12:34,760
Speaker 1: don't consider your job legitimate. Like, that's that's dark, that's

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01:12:34,800 --> 01:12:40,479
Speaker 1: fucked up. Uh. Mother Earth played by Asia Tyler, the

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01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:43,120
Speaker 1: only woman of color with a speaking role in the

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01:12:43,320 --> 01:12:47,360
Speaker 1: entire movie. And while she is in a leadership role

1103
01:12:47,439 --> 01:12:51,760
Speaker 1: because she's maybe God, she is God, she's playing the

1104
01:12:51,840 --> 01:12:54,160
Speaker 1: roll of God and yet has nothing to do, nothing

1105
01:12:54,240 --> 01:12:57,680
Speaker 1: to do. The Tooth Fairy has way more narrative significance

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01:12:57,760 --> 01:13:00,920
Speaker 1: than she does. Although I think it was an interesting

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01:13:01,040 --> 01:13:03,559
Speaker 1: and subversive choice to make the Tooth Fairy a man

1108
01:13:04,080 --> 01:13:07,320
Speaker 1: in this franchise, and I wanted to just shut out.

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01:13:07,920 --> 01:13:12,000
Speaker 1: The actor who played the Tooth Fairy died this week,

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01:13:12,240 --> 01:13:15,599
Speaker 1: the week that we record. He died very recently, Art

1111
01:13:15,680 --> 01:13:20,000
Speaker 1: la Fleur. So he's been in a million movies. Truly

1112
01:13:20,080 --> 01:13:23,479
Speaker 1: a great character actor, really, really a great character actor.

1113
01:13:23,880 --> 01:13:27,000
Speaker 1: So if you don't know who he is, like from

1114
01:13:27,240 --> 01:13:29,519
Speaker 1: from us saying his name or whatever, if you see

1115
01:13:29,600 --> 01:13:34,000
Speaker 1: his face, you'll you'll have a million memories of him. Yeah.

1116
01:13:34,439 --> 01:13:37,439
Speaker 1: I like the Tooth Fairy character of but I wish

1117
01:13:37,479 --> 01:13:40,040
Speaker 1: that they'd use the whole league a little more because

1118
01:13:40,080 --> 01:13:42,920
Speaker 1: they have so many good like, yeah, they have Michael

1119
01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:46,160
Speaker 1: Dorne I always forget Michael Doran is Sandman, and Michael

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01:13:46,200 --> 01:13:49,639
Speaker 1: Doran's like work life balance is important, and that's sort

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01:13:49,680 --> 01:13:51,400
Speaker 1: of his whole role in this movie. I don't know.

1122
01:13:52,240 --> 01:13:56,679
Speaker 1: And Frank from Everybody loves Raymond, but his Scott's boss

1123
01:13:56,720 --> 01:14:02,360
Speaker 1: from the first film is the Oh yeah, it's their time, right.

1124
01:14:03,240 --> 01:14:07,960
Speaker 1: I didn't even connect that Wild Wild Everyone at the

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01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:11,719
Speaker 1: North Pole only speaks English and with an American accent,

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01:14:11,840 --> 01:14:16,280
Speaker 1: as if the first movie British helps I mean English,

1127
01:14:16,360 --> 01:14:18,800
Speaker 1: but there are British elves in the first movie. This time.

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01:14:18,840 --> 01:14:20,840
Speaker 1: It's just like, I think it would have been much

1129
01:14:20,960 --> 01:14:24,360
Speaker 1: cooler if they had summoned Mother Earth to help them

1130
01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:27,320
Speaker 1: travel by like cutting off the head of a sheep,

1131
01:14:28,439 --> 01:14:42,599
Speaker 1: like exactly, rise from the dirt and suck them up. Grace,

1132
01:14:42,840 --> 01:14:48,080
Speaker 1: save it for your Santa Claus four pitch um. I

1133
01:14:48,200 --> 01:14:52,400
Speaker 1: don't really have anything else to say. Yeah, I mean

1134
01:14:52,479 --> 01:14:55,880
Speaker 1: it doesn't pass the back tol test like that, and

1135
01:14:56,000 --> 01:15:02,000
Speaker 1: I don't think it's even close. Okay, okay, if you consider,

1136
01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:08,080
Speaker 1: if you consider that she's building an argument, I can

1137
01:15:08,120 --> 01:15:10,439
Speaker 1: see the wheels. Wait, wait, wait, there is a There

1138
01:15:10,560 --> 01:15:14,200
Speaker 1: is a scene where Lucy goes Mom and Laura goes yes,

1139
01:15:14,439 --> 01:15:16,920
Speaker 1: and Lucy says, I lost another tooth. Should I put

1140
01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:24,080
Speaker 1: it under my pillow? And then Scott we goes the

1141
01:15:24,320 --> 01:15:33,280
Speaker 1: same class too. No, not meaningfully. No, but that tooth

1142
01:15:33,479 --> 01:15:38,600
Speaker 1: is important. That is a narratively important tooth. No, it passes.

1143
01:15:38,840 --> 01:15:42,360
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I don't feel great about it either.

1144
01:15:43,160 --> 01:15:48,280
Speaker 1: I don't feel good about that at all. But it's perfect.

1145
01:15:49,040 --> 01:15:54,720
Speaker 1: It's perfect. But this is our I need this recognizing

1146
01:15:54,960 --> 01:15:59,639
Speaker 1: the SAA class too passes the petal task. I mean

1147
01:16:00,240 --> 01:16:02,760
Speaker 1: that mean that meets every criteria. It is like, you

1148
01:16:02,880 --> 01:16:07,320
Speaker 1: can't deny that that tooth is important. Yeah, I know, sod.

1149
01:16:07,479 --> 01:16:11,120
Speaker 1: The verdict is in. It passes unless there's a secret

1150
01:16:11,240 --> 01:16:14,799
Speaker 1: clause to the Bechtel tests that we don't know about

1151
01:16:15,040 --> 01:16:18,439
Speaker 1: and we are just finding out. Get Spencer, Get Spencer

1152
01:16:18,520 --> 01:16:22,960
Speaker 1: in here where we need just magnifying glasses. The let's

1153
01:16:23,000 --> 01:16:25,080
Speaker 1: write the movie on our nipple scale zero to five

1154
01:16:25,160 --> 01:16:27,880
Speaker 1: nipples based on an examination of the movie through an

1155
01:16:27,920 --> 01:16:32,760
Speaker 1: intersectional feminist lens. I'm gonna give this. I guess like

1156
01:16:33,439 --> 01:16:39,800
Speaker 1: one nipple a half nipple between the ludicrous romantic storyline

1157
01:16:40,040 --> 01:16:46,800
Speaker 1: that is creepy and based on absolutely nothing aside from

1158
01:16:47,200 --> 01:16:54,439
Speaker 1: Santa needing his wife to continue justifying his existence. Carol

1159
01:16:54,560 --> 01:16:58,080
Speaker 1: being forced and guilted into a marriage after going on

1160
01:16:58,280 --> 01:17:01,599
Speaker 1: one date with the guy, her having to sacrifice everything

1161
01:17:01,760 --> 01:17:05,120
Speaker 1: in her life as a result. I hate it. Um.

1162
01:17:05,240 --> 01:17:11,800
Speaker 1: The movie does introduce several new female characters, but well

1163
01:17:11,840 --> 01:17:14,639
Speaker 1: some some have are now just a husk of their

1164
01:17:14,720 --> 01:17:17,720
Speaker 1: former selves. But technically, yes, there are men, there are

1165
01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:26,080
Speaker 1: there are women in the movie, but um, most of

1166
01:17:26,200 --> 01:17:31,400
Speaker 1: the women who are present are not really contributing much

1167
01:17:31,520 --> 01:17:34,960
Speaker 1: to the story, or they don't have any agency, or

1168
01:17:35,080 --> 01:17:38,880
Speaker 1: they get coerced into a marriage with Santa Claus at

1169
01:17:38,920 --> 01:17:42,000
Speaker 1: the last minute. So I don't like it. I'm going

1170
01:17:42,040 --> 01:17:44,600
Speaker 1: to go down to a half nipple. I'll give my

1171
01:17:45,120 --> 01:17:51,400
Speaker 1: half nipple to comment the reindeer. Oh my gosh. No, wait, well,

1172
01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:53,680
Speaker 1: I mean I can't tell you what to do. I

1173
01:17:53,800 --> 01:17:56,600
Speaker 1: just wanted I just I forgot to say. Comment was

1174
01:17:56,800 --> 01:17:59,000
Speaker 1: a I've talked about this in the show many times,

1175
01:17:59,080 --> 01:18:03,600
Speaker 1: but this specific era of like combining animatronics with c

1176
01:18:03,760 --> 01:18:07,080
Speaker 1: G I used to scare the living ship out of me,

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01:18:07,439 --> 01:18:10,439
Speaker 1: and comment is a is A is a formative example

1178
01:18:10,600 --> 01:18:13,920
Speaker 1: of like I can't look at this, or it's gonna

1179
01:18:14,600 --> 01:18:17,559
Speaker 1: haunt me. Like really haunt me. Comment is a scary

1180
01:18:17,720 --> 01:18:22,160
Speaker 1: looking the eyes, the way the eyes, it's it's not good.

1181
01:18:23,120 --> 01:18:26,200
Speaker 1: I feel absolutely fucking defeated by the fact that this

1182
01:18:26,320 --> 01:18:30,320
Speaker 1: movie passes the Bechdel test. It kind of blows my mind. Uh,

1183
01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:33,519
Speaker 1: And it really is like giving me a headache to

1184
01:18:33,600 --> 01:18:35,360
Speaker 1: think about. And you know, like when you're at a

1185
01:18:35,400 --> 01:18:37,679
Speaker 1: point where you're like you can feel in your sign,

1186
01:18:37,760 --> 01:18:40,240
Speaker 1: You're like, I could get a noseblade at any second.

1187
01:18:41,200 --> 01:18:43,840
Speaker 1: So I'm going to give it five nipples because this

1188
01:18:43,960 --> 01:18:46,680
Speaker 1: has been a three year journey we've been on with

1189
01:18:47,080 --> 01:18:49,679
Speaker 1: the Santa Claus movies. We went one three too, because

1190
01:18:49,720 --> 01:18:51,560
Speaker 1: we're not like other girls, We're not going to do

1191
01:18:51,680 --> 01:18:54,680
Speaker 1: it in the order. Um, I'm going to give it

1192
01:18:54,760 --> 01:18:56,679
Speaker 1: five nipples because I think that this is the first

1193
01:18:56,720 --> 01:19:00,640
Speaker 1: one that passed the Bechdel test um and and is

1194
01:19:00,680 --> 01:19:04,760
Speaker 1: it my least favorite of the three by a long shot. Absolutely.

1195
01:19:04,920 --> 01:19:08,680
Speaker 1: I I don't like this one. I don't enjoy watching it.

1196
01:19:08,760 --> 01:19:11,280
Speaker 1: I won't be returning to it, unlike the Santa Claus

1197
01:19:11,360 --> 01:19:13,280
Speaker 1: one and three, which I will be coming back to

1198
01:19:13,520 --> 01:19:17,599
Speaker 1: for years to come. Sure, I can't fully I just hey,

1199
01:19:17,800 --> 01:19:20,280
Speaker 1: I lost a tooth. Should I put underneath my pill.

1200
01:19:20,479 --> 01:19:22,639
Speaker 1: Yes you should. And then so I have to give

1201
01:19:22,680 --> 01:19:24,719
Speaker 1: it five nipples. I have to give it five nipples,

1202
01:19:25,120 --> 01:19:31,519
Speaker 1: and I'm giving them all to Bernard again, very good grace.

1203
01:19:32,200 --> 01:19:37,240
Speaker 1: I also have to give it five nipples. Oh my god, sorry,

1204
01:19:37,320 --> 01:19:40,679
Speaker 1: cause it's now in the top five percent of movies

1205
01:19:40,680 --> 01:19:44,400
Speaker 1: we've ever come. How could I give any less than

1206
01:19:45,680 --> 01:19:48,920
Speaker 1: to score? How can I give any less than five

1207
01:19:49,040 --> 01:19:58,080
Speaker 1: nipples to the very air that I breathe? Santa Claus

1208
01:19:58,160 --> 01:20:02,760
Speaker 1: films are inside of me and outside of me, and

1209
01:20:02,840 --> 01:20:06,200
Speaker 1: they're like Santa Claus films are what what my pastor

1210
01:20:06,640 --> 01:20:12,559
Speaker 1: told me, Jesus was like, always with me, always there

1211
01:20:12,760 --> 01:20:20,439
Speaker 1: for me. And how how am I supposed to give

1212
01:20:20,479 --> 01:20:24,799
Speaker 1: a negative review of a building block of life itself?

1213
01:20:25,800 --> 01:20:28,880
Speaker 1: I just don't think that I can do that. Thought

1214
01:20:28,920 --> 01:20:31,559
Speaker 1: of that before she care for her. I just don't

1215
01:20:31,640 --> 01:20:39,479
Speaker 1: think that that. Um, I'm going to give my five nipples.

1216
01:20:40,360 --> 01:20:43,640
Speaker 1: I'm going to give each one of them to a

1217
01:20:43,760 --> 01:20:48,880
Speaker 1: different one of my close friends and have them take

1218
01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:52,439
Speaker 1: care of them as if they are each a key

1219
01:20:52,680 --> 01:20:57,160
Speaker 1: that one combined what is able to unlock something in

1220
01:20:57,320 --> 01:21:01,599
Speaker 1: me that is like a pure or joy that might

1221
01:21:01,720 --> 01:21:04,400
Speaker 1: need to be unlocked. In the future, in a dark time.

1222
01:21:05,000 --> 01:21:08,360
Speaker 1: So I'm going to disperse these nipples amongst my friends

1223
01:21:08,479 --> 01:21:11,719
Speaker 1: that will be keepers of the Santa Claus two nipples,

1224
01:21:12,240 --> 01:21:15,799
Speaker 1: and they'll be able to use them in in time

1225
01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:18,560
Speaker 1: at a time of great need in the future. And

1226
01:21:18,640 --> 01:21:22,000
Speaker 1: if I pass away before that time comes, I hope

1227
01:21:22,040 --> 01:21:25,320
Speaker 1: they use the nipples to unlock a great Christmas joy

1228
01:21:25,800 --> 01:21:29,840
Speaker 1: in somebody else, like say a fascist dictator, you know,

1229
01:21:30,240 --> 01:21:34,160
Speaker 1: like if Trump gets reelected, use those nipples to teach

1230
01:21:34,240 --> 01:21:40,560
Speaker 1: him the true meaning of Christmas. That is so beautiful,

1231
01:21:40,640 --> 01:21:46,240
Speaker 1: and I'm crying, really really beautiful. She really is listener

1232
01:21:46,280 --> 01:21:50,800
Speaker 1: as she really is, Jamie, I can't, I can't look.

1233
01:21:51,200 --> 01:21:54,960
Speaker 1: There's a waterfall going on across Jamie's face right now.

1234
01:21:55,640 --> 01:21:59,200
Speaker 1: I can't stop fucking crying. And this is really hard

1235
01:21:59,280 --> 01:22:04,200
Speaker 1: for me. Jamie. I'm sorry you're crying. Thank you, Grace,

1236
01:22:05,400 --> 01:22:10,000
Speaker 1: thank you for coming back, and thank co cleating the

1237
01:22:10,040 --> 01:22:16,080
Speaker 1: trifecta of the Santa Claus trilogy and making this the

1238
01:22:16,320 --> 01:22:20,800
Speaker 1: best holiday tradition I've ever participated in. Yeah, maybe the

1239
01:22:20,920 --> 01:22:27,400
Speaker 1: only holiday tradition I've ever participated in. Really, I love Christmas,

1240
01:22:27,520 --> 01:22:33,120
Speaker 1: but I have I had a hard childhood, so We've

1241
01:22:33,160 --> 01:22:35,719
Speaker 1: got five hours of audio on that. I actually think,

1242
01:22:40,160 --> 01:22:44,599
Speaker 1: where can Where can people follow you online and check

1243
01:22:44,640 --> 01:22:48,160
Speaker 1: out your stuff? Well? Two things what I never mentioned

1244
01:22:48,280 --> 01:22:54,840
Speaker 1: that I rewatched it with motion smoothing on because it's

1245
01:22:54,960 --> 01:22:57,320
Speaker 1: I'm watching it on my in laws television. I couldn't

1246
01:22:57,320 --> 01:23:00,240
Speaker 1: figure out how to turn it off, and that made

1247
01:23:00,280 --> 01:23:04,080
Speaker 1: it even more surreal and weird and like stumming redgen

1248
01:23:04,720 --> 01:23:07,760
Speaker 1: And I suggest everyone should do that to really be

1249
01:23:07,840 --> 01:23:09,519
Speaker 1: able to like look at the world and what it

1250
01:23:09,760 --> 01:23:13,479
Speaker 1: is in a new way. Um, where can you follow me?

1251
01:23:14,040 --> 01:23:17,400
Speaker 1: I'm at Grace g Freud on Twitter. Um, I have

1252
01:23:17,720 --> 01:23:20,599
Speaker 1: a newsletter to you that's like Timey letter dot com

1253
01:23:20,760 --> 01:23:24,320
Speaker 1: slash Grace Freud. I am part of a comedy duo

1254
01:23:24,520 --> 01:23:28,559
Speaker 1: called Girl God Um and we are doing a never

1255
01:23:28,760 --> 01:23:34,160
Speaker 1: ending tour. We're in Chicago in December, Los Angeles and January.

1256
01:23:34,640 --> 01:23:37,840
Speaker 1: We're back in New York in February. We've got more

1257
01:23:37,880 --> 01:23:43,040
Speaker 1: shows to announce soon. Also watch Rick and Morty in

1258
01:23:43,160 --> 01:23:49,240
Speaker 1: two years when there's a banger. Thank you, Thank you

1259
01:23:49,360 --> 01:23:52,479
Speaker 1: guys for having me. I've really loved this so much.

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Speaker 1: Uh and I'm glad that we This is the only

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Speaker 1: thing I've ever completed in my life. So thank you, Grace,

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Speaker 1: we love you. That's beautiful. It's a it's a Christmas miracle. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of shows, we're gonna be at San Francisco Sketch Fest.

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Speaker 1: We keep forgetting to promote this show that is actually

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Speaker 1: quite soon. We're gonna be back. It's on January nine,

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Speaker 1: and you can come if you're in San Francisco. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna be uh releasing additional tour dates soon, so you

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Speaker 1: can just imagine once around San Francisco. What's directly you know,

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Speaker 1: above San Francisco. And also Caitlin and I want to

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Speaker 1: go to Vegas. To go to Vegas, the North Pole

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Speaker 1: is directly a post. We're going to the North Pole.

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Speaker 1: You know, I know that we've said adult women shouldn't

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Speaker 1: go to the North Pole, but we're just going to

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Speaker 1: see what happens. Well, Jamie, I've been proposed to by

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Speaker 1: Santa and I have to say yes. So we're going

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Speaker 1: to Wow. I'm gonna I'm gonna try my luck with

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Speaker 1: Bernard see if he'll have me best of luck. I'm

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