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Speaker 1: Paine. Welcome to short Stuff. I'm Josh, there's Chuck, there's

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Speaker 1: Jerry over there, and this is short stuff about macadamia nuts.

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Speaker 1: You heard me, macadamia nuts. I love macadamia nuts. I

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Speaker 1: do you too. They're not my favorite nuts, but they're

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Speaker 1: pretty high up there. I love them. I mean, you

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Speaker 1: can't eat a lot of them, um, because they're very,

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Speaker 1: very oily and very rich, and they are delicious, but

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Speaker 1: they're the kind of nut that And I find this

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Speaker 1: with a lot of nuts. For me, if you eat

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Speaker 1: too many of them, you get a little what do

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Speaker 1: I called nuts stomach? Yeah, get a little, get a

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Speaker 1: little nauseous, not nauseous, but just you know, a sour

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Speaker 1: belly you can't see straight. Yeah, it's no good. But

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Speaker 1: I do love macadamia nuts. But they are not nuts

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Speaker 1: like brazil nuts. They are seeds. Yes, And I was like, okay,

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Speaker 1: what's the difference between nuts and seeds. It's hard to explain.

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Speaker 1: Nuts are the fruit of the plant and they're surrounded

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Speaker 1: by a hard shell, and they actually contain seeds, and

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Speaker 1: seeds are an actual tiny version of the plant itself,

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Speaker 1: an embryo of the plant, and it's surrounded by the

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Speaker 1: seed coat which nourishes the plant's food for the planet

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Speaker 1: as it grows. That's right. And this one is chuck

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Speaker 1: full of good and like dinner party factoids and yes,

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Speaker 1: I'm using Lord factoids and chock full um. So another

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Speaker 1: one is you think, oh, macadamia nuts. Hawaii, of course

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Speaker 1: is where these things first came from. Sure, Like the

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Speaker 1: number one brand of macadamia nuts is Mounta Looa And

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Speaker 1: if that's not Hawaiian, I don't know what is. Yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: a lot of them do come from Hawaii for a

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Speaker 1: bunch of reasons. But they originated from our dear friends

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Speaker 1: down under in Australia, and they were brought over by

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Speaker 1: a man named William Purvis. He planted macadamia trees, which

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Speaker 1: are nice looking by the way they are, They're very pretty.

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Speaker 1: He planted them on the Big Island in one because

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Speaker 1: they were growing a lot of sugar back then. I

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Speaker 1: imagine they still grow a lot of sugar in Hawaii.

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Speaker 1: And he wanted a wind break, so he was like,

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Speaker 1: these trees look nice and they provide the wind break

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Speaker 1: that I need, so let me plant. Let me plant

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Speaker 1: these things. And uh, they don't produce nuts until they're

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Speaker 1: four or five years old. So to his delight, uh,

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Speaker 1: they bore a delicious uh, a delicious, yummy seed. So

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Speaker 1: I saw that he didn't actually, he wasn't around to

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Speaker 1: see that the seed could be eaten, or at the

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Speaker 1: very least to see it become popular. Relate to say

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Speaker 1: he died within four or five years. No, no, no,

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Speaker 1: but they didn't become popular until the twenties, about forty years,

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Speaker 1: that's what I mean. But surely they ate him right now.

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Speaker 1: I genuinely don't know. I don't know when they figured

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Speaker 1: it out, but I know that that some people, I

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Speaker 1: guess some people have figured it out by about the

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Speaker 1: turn of the century because the in in around nine

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Speaker 1: the entire global coffee market collapsed because Bolivia no Brazil,

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Speaker 1: ramped up its production and overproduced and so so supply

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Speaker 1: outstrip demand and the prices just collapsed. And that was

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Speaker 1: really bad for Hawaii because its economy was built in

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Speaker 1: large part on coffee too. So they set up the

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Speaker 1: Hawaiian Agricultural Experiment Station, which, if it wasn't affiliated with

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Speaker 1: the University of Hawaii back then, it is now, and

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Speaker 1: they they started saying, hey, you know what, the government

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Speaker 1: will subsidize your land if you start planning macadamia nuts,

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Speaker 1: And they actually didn't have very many takers at first.

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Speaker 1: Now there, you know, you'd get a five year tax exemption,

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Speaker 1: which is, you know, some pretty good dough. But I

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Speaker 1: think it just they didn't know that the world was

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Speaker 1: find out that people like them, they really threw their

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Speaker 1: from uh nineteen thirty two to nineteen eight um production

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Speaker 1: that the climate in Hawaii is just perfect for this stuff.

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Speaker 1: That's why they grow it there. Yeah, right, So like

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Speaker 1: the cultivars, which I didn't know this, but cultivar is

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Speaker 1: And with the cultivars that are um have been used

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Speaker 1: the global demand for macadamia nuts just keeps growing and

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Speaker 1: it's not like the Hawaiian islands are growing anymore. So

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Speaker 1: that's it's actually created a bit of a problem market wise,

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Speaker 1: which we'll talk about in a little bit. All right,

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Speaker 1: we'll be right back, all right. So, if you've ever

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Speaker 1: been to the store, you're like, man, I want to

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Speaker 1: crush up some sweet macadamia nuts, and I want to

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Speaker 1: dredge my fish filet and that stuff and cook it

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Speaker 1: up in the oven. You're like McDonald's flay of fish. No, no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: have you ever done that? It's really good? I have.

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Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, there's a restaurant chain called

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Speaker 1: Roy's Hawaiian and they have a macadamia crusted that's really

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Speaker 1: really good. It's very delicious, very easy to do. But uh,

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Speaker 1: you might find that you're spending as much on your

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Speaker 1: macadamia nuts as you are your fish because it's expensive.

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Speaker 1: They consider it what's called the dessert nut, um, rather

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Speaker 1: than what's called a commodity crop, like any old other

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Speaker 1: dumb nut that you can just get tons and tons

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Speaker 1: of or seed because who can tell what's water anymore exactly.

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Speaker 1: But here's the deal. There's quite a few factors that

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Speaker 1: they really have the market quartern in Hawaii, so that's

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Speaker 1: a big deal. Um. It takes seven years for a

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Speaker 1: So another thing is there are labor shortages in the

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Speaker 1: driving up cost. They're invasive pests that hit macodaemias. They

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Speaker 1: it's just not feasible to expand all these orchards, so

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Speaker 1: So our macadamia nuts. You know, they're super high in

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Speaker 1: calories and fat, But does that mean they're bad for you? No? No,

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Speaker 1: supposedly they're very very good for you. Um, especially if

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Speaker 1: don't need that stuff. No, you do, you do, but

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Speaker 1: stealing it from houses iron absorption, okay, which is good. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: But they say, you know to it's a good filling nuts.

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Speaker 1: So if if you grab a handful between meals or something,

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