1 00:00:02,120 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: A everybody chuck Here for another one of our Christmas 2 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:08,960 Speaker 1: centric episodes with our twelve Days of Christmas Toys playlist, 3 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:12,639 Speaker 1: and today I'm very pleased to introduce to you an 4 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 1: episode that I liked quite a bit because when I 5 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:17,279 Speaker 1: was a kid, I love me some hot wheels, and 6 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:20,240 Speaker 1: so this is that episode, How Hot Wheels Work. Pretty 7 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:22,440 Speaker 1: interesting story. Hope you guys enjoy it. 8 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 2: Welcome to Stuff you should know from HowStuffWorks dot com. 9 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 3: Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, There's 10 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 3: Charles w Chuck Bryant, and Jerry. 11 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:42,479 Speaker 1: You know that just sounded like, what like, that's what 12 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 1: happens like, You're having a nightmare and you MEI wakes 13 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 1: you up in the middle of the night and he 14 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:48,199 Speaker 1: just goes, hey, welcome to the podcast, and then she 15 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:49,560 Speaker 1: slaps you across the face. 16 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 3: Repart. That's true. Yeah, that is what that sounded like. 17 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 1: That's what it sounded. 18 00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 3: It's pretty accurate. I don't know what got into me. 19 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 1: You were just supercharged about this topic. 20 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 3: Oh that's terrible. What supercharged? 21 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:08,680 Speaker 1: I don't get it. 22 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:10,320 Speaker 3: It's like a supercharged engine. 23 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:12,320 Speaker 1: Oh I didn't even think about that. 24 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:14,039 Speaker 3: Oh good, that makes me feel a little better. 25 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know Jerry by the way before when I 26 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 1: told her what we were doing, so, oh my gosh, 27 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:20,680 Speaker 1: that was my favorite toy when I was a kid. 28 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 3: Nice hot wheels are pretty great. 29 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, I had quite a collection, and I don't know 30 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:25,639 Speaker 1: where they are today. 31 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:28,399 Speaker 3: Oh really they're missing? Huh. 32 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:30,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know if they were thrown out, or 33 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:35,960 Speaker 1: if if my brother has them, or they're my mom's 34 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 1: attic or what. Because I'm kind of curious that I 35 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:38,480 Speaker 1: have any value. 36 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 3: You need to find them. Yeah, they could be apparently, 37 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 3: as far as hot wheels collectors go, it could be 38 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 3: in mint condition all the way down to beat condition. 39 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 1: Oh is that how they rank them? Yeah, mine would 40 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 1: be beaters because I played with them like crazy. 41 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 3: That's good. I mean, that's what they're for sure, you know. 42 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 3: And there's value for a beater too, like some people 43 00:01:56,960 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 3: apparently harvest them for parts to rebuild like a you know, 44 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 3: a new Frankenstein model. 45 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 1: Oh really, Yeah, that's pretty neat. 46 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 3: There's a lot of stuff you can do with them. 47 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:09,959 Speaker 1: Yeah, and we should thank the fifth grader who wrote 48 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:10,679 Speaker 1: this article too. 49 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:12,919 Speaker 3: Sad face. 50 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 1: I complained about that out loud to Holly. I was like, 51 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 1: this article actually says sad face like as a sentence. 52 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, I know had issues. I'm glad you said something. 53 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 1: Yeah what if it was a fifth grader? Your feelings 54 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:29,919 Speaker 1: are all hurt. 55 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:33,360 Speaker 3: I think your feelings are hurt either way. Now, sad face. 56 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 3: So we're talking about hot wheels today. I had a couple. 57 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 3: My favorite toy was g I Joe, but I appreciated 58 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:43,919 Speaker 3: hot wheels. 59 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, I had GI Joe too. 60 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 3: We do Gi Joe episode sometime. I had the older 61 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 3: ones though you probably had huge ones. Yeah yeah, now 62 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 3: I had the real ones. 63 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, I don't that's fighting words. 64 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 3: Man. The ones that I had were so awesome. They 65 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:01,639 Speaker 3: were like there was a huge, fast collection of all 66 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 3: of them. Yeah, there was like cobra. Cobra didn't exist 67 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 3: when you were collecting g I Joe's. 68 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:08,360 Speaker 1: No, but how could you say, like, oh, that one 69 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 1: that's ten inches tall and has real clothes and fuzzy 70 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 1: hair and the kung fu grip is inferior to this 71 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:17,119 Speaker 1: little plastic thing. 72 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 3: I think you just said it. All the fuzzy hair 73 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 3: says it right there. I don't really mean that, Chuck. 74 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 3: I don't have a dog in that fight. Like if 75 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:30,119 Speaker 3: you like the big Gi Joe's. That's cool. I got 76 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 3: some problems. 77 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a quick side note. I have to tell 78 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 1: this story, okay, when you know how he used to 79 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 1: do book reports and you would have to have a 80 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 1: visual aid. Yeah. I might have told this before. If 81 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 1: I do, I apologize. 82 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 3: I don't recognize it. 83 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 1: I did a report on Franco Harris when in elementary 84 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 1: school because he. 85 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 3: Was a football player. 86 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't know why I did on Franco Harris. Yeah, 87 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 1: but I got my mom to make me a little 88 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Steelers uniform for my Gi joe because he looked 89 00:03:57,960 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 1: like Franco Harris. 90 00:03:59,000 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 3: Nice. 91 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that was my visual aid. 92 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 3: Do you still have it? 93 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 1: No, of course not. We have the Gi Joe's, but 94 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 1: I think the Steelers uniform is gone. Bye bye. 95 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 3: That's said. Yeah, you know, I'm sure your mom put 96 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 3: a lot of work into that. Now I feel guilty, So, Chuck, 97 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:17,480 Speaker 3: I have a question for you. Yes, did you know 98 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:21,720 Speaker 3: that the number one vehicle manufacturer on the planet is, 99 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:25,839 Speaker 3: in fact Hot Wheels. I did it. Kind of It's 100 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 3: astounding until you stop and think about it. Sure, like 101 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 3: apparently since nineteen sixty eight, when Hot wheels were first introduced. 102 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 3: More than four billion hot wheels have been produced. That's 103 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 3: more than the big four Detroit automakers combined. You're like wow, 104 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 3: and then you think, oh, yeah, it costs a minute 105 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:48,920 Speaker 3: fraction of the costure to build the hot wheels and 106 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:50,559 Speaker 3: it does a normal car. 107 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 1: Yeah. 108 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:54,919 Speaker 3: Plus, Also, it's not like you're gonna go, I want 109 00:04:54,920 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 3: this Buick Cutlass Supreme in every color, right, you know, Well, 110 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 3: the hot wheels you can do that. 111 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:06,600 Speaker 1: Yeah. What's the Lego stat is? They're the biggest manufacturer 112 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:07,160 Speaker 1: of tires? 113 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 3: Yeah? 114 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:11,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, I wonder though, do these not count as tires 115 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:14,039 Speaker 1: because they're plastic they counts wheels? 116 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:16,360 Speaker 3: I don't know, man, because. 117 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:18,799 Speaker 1: Four billion times four that's sixteen billion tires. 118 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 3: That's a really great question. 119 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:23,720 Speaker 1: I might have to challenge Lego or maybe just look 120 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:25,160 Speaker 1: up how many tires they manufacture. 121 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 3: Old Kirk Christensen is not going to be happy about this. 122 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:31,839 Speaker 3: Who was that the founder of Lego? Oh remember Old? 123 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:36,279 Speaker 1: Oh that's right, I thought you were saying Old no over. 124 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:37,720 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, So. 125 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 3: Let's talk about the history of this stuff. 126 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 1: Huh okay. 127 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 3: So hot wheels, like I said, have been around since 128 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:47,799 Speaker 3: nineteen sixty eight and Anybody who's heard the Barbie Trademark 129 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 3: podcast will recognize the name Elliott Handler. That's Ruth Handler, 130 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 3: the inventor of Barbie Trademark's husband. Sure, and Elliott apparently 131 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 3: saw a real chance to muscle in on an already 132 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:09,719 Speaker 3: extant market by a company called Tycho that had a 133 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 3: line of miniature metal cars die cast cars is what 134 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:15,479 Speaker 3: they're called, called Matchbox cars. 135 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 1: That's right. 136 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:18,599 Speaker 3: By the time hot wheels came around, match Box was 137 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 3: already there and had established a market, and Mattel said, 138 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 3: let's get in on that. 139 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 1: Yeah. And the rumor is that he saw his grandchildren 140 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 1: playing with them and said, they kind of stink. I 141 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 1: could make these better, yeah, cooler, And he had a 142 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:37,360 Speaker 1: as the story goes, had a designer, which we'll talk 143 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:40,479 Speaker 1: about in the second called Harry Bradley Sure, and he 144 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:43,479 Speaker 1: had a hot rod. And Elliott was in the parking 145 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:45,160 Speaker 1: lot one day and said, man, those are some hot 146 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 1: wheels you got there. 147 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 3: And apparently if you go look look at the old 148 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 3: original commercials. 149 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 1: For hot wheels, did they say that. 150 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:56,039 Speaker 3: That's how well, that's how they pronounced it hot wheels. 151 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:56,920 Speaker 1: Oh, instead of hot wheels. 152 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, The emphasis is on the hot awkward. They're like, 153 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 3: race your hot wheels. 154 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:06,479 Speaker 1: You can make some of them, you can race them. 155 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 3: Just go buy some hot wheels. That's what they That's 156 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 3: how they say it, collect all your hot wheels. 157 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, but that makes more sense in the context of 158 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 1: a sentence. 159 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 3: It does having been raised right right, you know post 160 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 3: the in fact hot wheels is wrong. Yeah, hot wheels 161 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 3: because wheels. 162 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 1: Now I'm trying to picture the guy in the parking 163 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 1: lot saying those are some hot wheels you got on 164 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 1: your there? You'd say hot wheels, you got there? You know, Yeah, 165 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 1: oh boy, we can sure waste some time. 166 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 3: We sure can. 167 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 1: But the first nineteen sixty eight is, like you said, 168 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 1: when the first line came out of sixteen hot wheels, 169 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 1: they were sold initially for fifty nine cent apiece. 170 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, And like you said, the guy whose car originally 171 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 3: inspired the name hot Wheels was Harry Bradley, and he 172 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 3: was the designer of that first sixteen cars. They were 173 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 3: also called California Customs Miniatures. Was that first original sixteen 174 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 3: group of hot Wheels that were released in nineteen sixty eight. So, 175 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 3: and Harry Bradley designed them all, including apparently he got 176 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 3: his hands on The first one, by the way, that 177 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 3: came out was a Chevy Camaro, of course. The second 178 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 3: one that came out was the Chevy Corvette, of course, 179 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 3: And apparently the Chevy Corvette came out before the actual 180 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 3: Corvette came out. 181 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, the sixty nine Corvette. 182 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 3: That is so. Harry Bradley was an old hand in 183 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 3: not just miniature car design, but car design in general. 184 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 3: He was an old GM designer, and I guess he 185 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 3: had connections still at GM, and probably under the table 186 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 3: in a possibly illegal way, got his hands on the 187 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:52,200 Speaker 3: blueprints for the Corvette that hadn't been released yet, and 188 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 3: Hot Wheels beat GM to the punch in releasing the 189 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 3: nineteen sixty eight Corvette. 190 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, sixty nine, thank you, that's all right. The Yeah, 191 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 1: as the lore goes, he supposedly knew that the cafeteria 192 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 1: door was unlocked, so he snuck in through the cafeteria door. 193 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 3: But that's called industrial espionage. 194 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, that sounds like a story like just lore, okay, 195 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:20,840 Speaker 1: but maybe so maybe he committed industrial espian che. Yeah. So, 196 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 1: like you said, those were the two of the first 197 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:29,839 Speaker 1: sixteen in that original lineup, that original collection, which if 198 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:32,959 Speaker 1: you have any of those, Yeah, Okay, yeah, you got 199 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 1: some money that you're sitting on. 200 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 3: Because I mean, like they went all out on those 201 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 3: that original line oh yeah, Like there were bushings to 202 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 3: the suspension. Yeah, and the I mean the chassis it 203 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 3: had suspension like shocks, like you could press them down 204 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:49,680 Speaker 3: and it would bounce back. 205 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 1: I had some of those. I don't think they were 206 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 1: from sixty eight. But when did they quit making those? 207 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 3: It set up until seventy seven was when they stopped making. 208 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 1: The seventy is when the suspension got an overhaul. 209 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:05,839 Speaker 3: Okay, so for the first couple of years, like they 210 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 3: were really putting a lot into these things. The tires 211 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 3: were red line racing slicks, yeah, and the things. The 212 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:16,439 Speaker 3: whole reason they went to so much trouble is because 213 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 3: they really wanted to destroy their competitor, match box. And 214 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:23,320 Speaker 3: one of the ways they did that was by making 215 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:27,440 Speaker 3: these things far more functional than the match boxes were. 216 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:32,200 Speaker 3: The matchbox cars were, so they really could race. Yeah, 217 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 3: and if you put a matchbox car up against the 218 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:38,439 Speaker 3: comparable hot wheels, say the same model car, the hot 219 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:41,320 Speaker 3: Wheels will destroy it every time. And the head to 220 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 3: head race. 221 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 1: As we saw on the internet, a guy did that. 222 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 1: Of course, he took two Volkswagens and two OUTI eight's 223 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 1: I think, and one match box and one hot wheel, 224 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 1: and he said they won by at least a car 225 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 1: length every time he tried. And this was no loop 226 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:01,440 Speaker 1: de loop bring things, was just the straight race. They 227 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 1: painted them originally in Spectra Flame, which was very shiny 228 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:08,960 Speaker 1: and sparkly and expensive. And I don't think we said 229 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:11,680 Speaker 1: that all hot wheels are built at one sixty fourth scale. 230 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a big point. 231 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 1: But not necessarily all matchbox cars. They kind of vary 232 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:20,960 Speaker 1: here and there, right, But like you said that Spectra 233 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 1: Flame and the red line tires didn't only last until 234 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 1: seventy seven, and the suspension only lasted untill nineteen seventy 235 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 1: and they sadly a lot of that had to do 236 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 1: with the fact that they moved them from Hawthorne, California 237 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 1: to Hong Kong. Yeah, And like any product, you're like, hey, 238 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 1: you can make it for half as much if you 239 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 1: make it in China, so let's move. Let's ship the 240 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 1: operations overseas well. 241 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 3: Not only that, it's this Spectra flame pain is pretty expensive. 242 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:52,079 Speaker 3: It's awesome, it looks great, yeah, but it's pretty expensive. 243 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:57,840 Speaker 3: So with any collector's item. As they started to downgrade 244 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 3: the components in the parts and the manufacturing and ultimately 245 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 3: the final product, all that did was make the original 246 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:08,320 Speaker 3: stuff all the more valuable today, Yeah, because there was 247 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:10,680 Speaker 3: fewer and fewer of those as the years go on, 248 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:12,079 Speaker 3: proportionately speaking. 249 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, they had actual axles, like you know, it was 250 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 1: like a real They were designed by car designers and 251 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 1: they were made apparently to reach two hundred scale miles 252 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 1: per hour. 253 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's pretty cool. 254 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:23,200 Speaker 1: That's way cool. 255 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 3: Yeah. Remember, like in the Cockroach episode, we talked about 256 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 3: how they're the fastest animal on the planet relatively speaking. 257 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:35,080 Speaker 3: Pretty neat stuff. Yeah, so chuck right out of the gate, 258 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:38,439 Speaker 3: Mattel had a hit on its hands. Oh yes, they 259 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 3: released them in nineteen sixty eight. By nineteen seventy, Hot 260 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:45,960 Speaker 3: Wheels was a Saturday Morning cartoon in the vein of 261 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 3: like Dune Buggy and Scooby Doo and all those guys. 262 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 3: Hanna barbera dune buggy or speed Buggy, Speed Buggy. Yeah 263 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 3: remember speed Buggy. Yeah, it was like a dune buggy 264 00:12:57,520 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 3: that could talk, and it was basically wonder bug No, 265 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 3: it's speed Buggy. Okay, because there was under if you 266 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 3: took Shaggy and put some like racing goggles on him. Yeah, 267 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 3: and then turned Scooby Doo into a speed a doom Buggy. Yeah, 268 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 3: that's speed Buggy. 269 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 1: Oh was that a cartoon? 270 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, went around solving mysteries and stuff like that. 271 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, wonderbug was I think that was live action? 272 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 3: Oh, this was a cartoon, said Marty Croft. This is 273 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 3: exactly like Scooby Doo by the people who did Scooby Doo, 274 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 3: using the same people who did the voices for Scooby Doo. 275 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:34,440 Speaker 3: It just vaguely changed the characters. Hot Wheels was virtually 276 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 3: the same thing, except it was about racing clubs. There 277 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 3: were the bad guys and good guys and. 278 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 1: Do you know what this prus? What is the nineteen seventies, 279 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 1: the doom Buggy was a very popular thing. You remember 280 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:46,439 Speaker 1: seeing those on the road, Like I used to see 281 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:48,440 Speaker 1: them all the time. Not all the time, but in 282 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 1: the seventies it was a common thing. Yeah, you don't 283 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:55,440 Speaker 1: see him anymore, very rarely. Nope, No gremlins, no yukos, no, 284 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:56,320 Speaker 1: no wonder bugs. 285 00:13:56,679 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 3: You know I like gremlins. Do you okay for me? Though? 286 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 3: The Kudi gras of car design is the AMC Pacer. Yeah, 287 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 3: it's like the for Micah Kitchen of cars. Yeah, it's 288 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 3: beautiful in all the weirdest ways. 289 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:14,440 Speaker 1: So much window. 290 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 3: That would be my sought after hot wheels if I 291 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 3: had a hot wheels that if I just could have 292 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 3: one hot wheel, Yeah, it would. I don't know if 293 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 3: that would be it. I'd be happy with that one. 294 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 1: Now do they have that it's a hot wheel? Oh? 295 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, And if you look up AMC Gremlin hot wheels, yeah, 296 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 3: they went to town on those. They had some with 297 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 3: like the intakes like sticking out of the hood and yeah, 298 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 3: just all sorts of just awesome different variations like indie 299 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 3: car Gremlins and stuff like that. 300 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 1: Yeah. 301 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 3: Because and that raises a pretty good point. Hot wheels 302 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 3: has always been about the racing design, Like they've designed 303 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 3: them to look like racing cars, but they've also manufactured 304 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 3: them to actually be able to win a race, like 305 00:14:57,040 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 3: we talked about with Matchbox. 306 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, and one of the differences that is one of 307 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 1: the main differences between the match box and the hot 308 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 1: wheel is they were just much more interested in being sportier, 309 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 1: like you could get you could get a match box 310 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 1: like a delivery truck, right, you know they had that, 311 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 1: but the match Boxes looked more real. They all were 312 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 1: about looking realistic and not necessarily performance. And hey, if 313 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 1: you want a bread truck, you can get a bread truck, 314 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 1: right exactly, But you can't get a bread truck hot Wheel. 315 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 3: You know, we'll talk more about all of this jam 316 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 3: right after this. 317 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 1: You want to go ahead and talk about some of 318 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 1: the other differences between Matchbox and hot Wheel, Yes, sure, 319 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 1: since we're at it. Match Box or I'm sorry, hot 320 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 1: Wheel is the one that is more likely to have 321 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 1: branded versions, oh man. 322 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 3: And do they ever like. 323 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 1: The Ghostbusters ectomobile. 324 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 3: Right or even more than that, Like they have a 325 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 3: deal with eminem Mars for twenty fifteen, so they have 326 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 3: like a TwixT trucks and a Skittles van and like 327 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 3: all this stuff. They have licensing with DC and Marvel this. 328 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 1: Year, Fast and the Furious. I know they had a 329 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 1: line yep. 330 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 3: So they're really big time into branded and a lot 331 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 3: of times they'll have like a store will just have exclusives, 332 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 3: access to an exclusive line of Skittles cars or something 333 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 3: like that that you can only get it KB toys. 334 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they have a NASCAR deal too. If 335 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken, I would not be surprised. And the 336 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 1: hot wheels usually have a little bit wider, a longer axle, 337 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 1: and wider wheels because it's just cooler that wheel sticks 338 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 1: out from the body a little bit, you know. 339 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 3: Well, plus also supposedly, and we'll talk about this a 340 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 3: little more, when you shrink a car down to scale, 341 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 3: it looks a little weird. 342 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:04,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, you might as well ahead and bring that up. Okay, 343 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:06,919 Speaker 1: it looks weird. You can't just shrink it and have 344 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:10,360 Speaker 1: it in the same proportion and have it look normal. 345 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 3: Right Like, it'll be as far as like shrinking a 346 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 3: car down by scale, it will be in the exact 347 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 3: same proportion. But it's just awful little bit like. So 348 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:25,159 Speaker 3: what they do to make a hot wheels raceable is 349 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 3: they expand the wheel well a little more. Yeah, they 350 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 3: break it out a little bit. Yeah, which is why 351 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 3: the wheel stick out some on a hot wheels, but 352 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 3: not on a match box. That's right, because match boxes 353 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 3: are all about realism. To heck with how it looks, 354 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 3: as long as it's real. 355 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:42,920 Speaker 1: The one of my favorite ones, and I had one 356 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 1: of these that they mentioned this article was the red barren. 357 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 1: The person who wrote this said it was an inexplicable 358 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 1: and inexplicably cool helmet over the cockpit. I don't know 359 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:56,919 Speaker 1: about inexplicable. It was just the roof of the car 360 00:17:57,560 --> 00:18:00,160 Speaker 1: was a helmet, right. But I looked it up again, Tod, 361 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:01,720 Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, yeah, I had that thing, 362 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:07,400 Speaker 1: but it was It wasn't a Nazi helmet per se, 363 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 1: but it was that shape of the helmet like the 364 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 1: US oldiers had that shape now, you know, where it's 365 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:17,359 Speaker 1: cut lower around the ears instead of just a straight 366 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 1: you know, like the World War two helmet. But the 367 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:22,520 Speaker 1: Nazis used those first, you know, because it's a better 368 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 1: design for war. And it also had a black iron 369 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:27,440 Speaker 1: cross on the side of it. 370 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:29,200 Speaker 3: Well hence the red baron, right. 371 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:32,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, but it was It's easy now as an adulta 372 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 1: look and say that looks like a little Nazi hot rod. 373 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:36,639 Speaker 3: Yeah, but the red baron was World War One. He 374 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 3: was pre Nazi Germany. 375 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:40,480 Speaker 1: Yeah. And it was also I think at the time 376 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 1: just like looked like the biker gang would wear like 377 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:45,119 Speaker 1: those helmet with the iron cross. 378 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:49,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, and all of it was Southern California hot rod culture. Yeah, 379 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:51,680 Speaker 3: what gave rise to Hot Wheels, so it makes sense. 380 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think there was any like sartitious intent. 381 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:59,920 Speaker 3: Yeah. So, like I said, right out of the gate, 382 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:02,400 Speaker 3: hot Wheels was a hit. They had a cartoon within 383 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:06,160 Speaker 3: a year or so of the first sixteen being released. Sure, 384 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:10,920 Speaker 3: the second release they had I think twenty. 385 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:13,160 Speaker 1: Two new cars, yeah, thirty three total. 386 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 3: And then the third year they had another. They released 387 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 3: thirty three after that, right. 388 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 1: Oh no, yeah, I'm sorry, thirty three by nineteen seventy. 389 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 3: So they did sixteen, twenty four and then thirty three 390 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:26,399 Speaker 3: and all of them came in like different colors, right, So, 391 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:28,719 Speaker 3: like I said, if you had one, that didn't mean 392 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:30,520 Speaker 3: you had them all. You wanted to collect them all. 393 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:30,920 Speaker 1: Yeah. 394 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:34,680 Speaker 3: So kids were going crazy for it. And another way 395 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 3: that Mattel very wisely targeted children was to get in 396 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:42,640 Speaker 3: with fast food. In nineteen seventy, the first Hot Wheels 397 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 3: came out as a toy at Jack in the Boxes. 398 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:47,679 Speaker 1: Oh really Yeah. 399 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 3: The big one though, the one that put them over 400 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 3: the top, was in nineteen eighty three when kids who 401 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:58,680 Speaker 3: were lucky enough to be taken to McDonald's for dinner. 402 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:02,120 Speaker 1: The happy meal exactly hot Wheel. 403 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:04,439 Speaker 3: Which is what they called of at the time, Uh, 404 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:08,199 Speaker 3: or could get one of fourteen hot wheels. Yeah, in 405 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:10,719 Speaker 3: nineteen eighty three, and they had some cool once. They 406 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:12,960 Speaker 3: had a Chevy citation. 407 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:13,360 Speaker 1: Did they really? 408 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:16,399 Speaker 3: Yeah, they had one that was one of my favorite. Actually. 409 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 3: It was a Toyota Mini Trek, which is like a 410 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:24,160 Speaker 3: station wagon camper and it even said painted on the side, 411 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:28,120 Speaker 3: good time Camper that you could get in your happy meal, 412 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 3: which if I could have one hot wheel, it would 413 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:32,639 Speaker 3: probably be that. 414 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 1: You know what they were doing now that I look 415 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 1: back through my adult. 416 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 3: Eyes, like snorting pot. 417 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 1: No, they were giving you a bunch of crappy ones 418 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:43,959 Speaker 1: because you wanted to keep coming back to get the 419 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:44,400 Speaker 1: cool one. 420 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:45,200 Speaker 3: Yeah. 421 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 1: Probably you're like, ah, I got a citation, like, can 422 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 1: I go back because I want to get the hot rod? Right, 423 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 1: That's exactly what they were doing. Sure, man, I feel 424 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:54,400 Speaker 1: so like manipulated. 425 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 3: What did you think they were doing with happy Meals? 426 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:00,119 Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I know it was all manipulation to 427 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:02,160 Speaker 1: get you to try and own all of them, right, 428 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:04,679 Speaker 1: but they should have been all cool ones. But you 429 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:08,200 Speaker 1: can't do that because the regular kid might be like, no, 430 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 1: I got the cool one. I'm fine. But if you 431 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 1: get the citation, you feel jipped off and you really 432 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 1: want to go back and get one of the hot rods. Yeah, 433 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 1: it's my eyes are wide open, my friends. 434 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 3: Well, that's why our friends down under in Australia have 435 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:26,199 Speaker 3: like outlawed marketing directly to children, which I think is 436 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 3: a fantastic mode. Really, yeah, that's so unfair to market 437 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 3: directly to children. It's just almost literally is like taking 438 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:40,159 Speaker 3: candy from a baby. Like kids aren't sophisticated enough to 439 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:45,200 Speaker 3: psychologically defend themselves from being like bombarded with by adults 440 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 3: to say, go tell your parents to buy you this. 441 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 3: You can't function correctly without this trapper keeper, so go 442 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 3: get it. 443 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:53,240 Speaker 1: The traffic keeper. 444 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:54,120 Speaker 3: Yeah. 445 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 1: What do they make a law? 446 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 3: Yeah? Really yeah, it's a big one, very progressive law. 447 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 3: Big all countries should adopt. 448 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:05,920 Speaker 1: Well. In nineteen eighty three, I agree wholeheartedly. By the way, 449 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty three is when that happy meal thing happened. 450 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:12,160 Speaker 1: And also the same year they moved from Hong Kong 451 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:16,679 Speaker 1: to Malaysia, and it said that's when they added their 452 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 1: economy cars, so that must have coincided with the citation. 453 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:24,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, the citation man one of the most disappointing Happy 454 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 3: Meal toys you could possibly. 455 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:29,439 Speaker 1: Get, Yeah, because it reminded you of your dad, who 456 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 1: drove a citation. 457 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:32,160 Speaker 3: Right, who was always mad. 458 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, dear so Chuckers. 459 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:44,359 Speaker 3: Yes, After nineteen eighty three, not a lot happened. Hot 460 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:47,200 Speaker 3: Oils just kept going on, expanding more and more and more. 461 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:50,719 Speaker 3: I think they had another Happy Meals joint in ninety 462 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:55,359 Speaker 3: one or something like that. And in nineteen ninety five 463 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:58,159 Speaker 3: they said, we need, we need to do something big, 464 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 3: and they did. They were at least something called Treasure 465 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 3: Hunt series, which was a purposefully limited release car series 466 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 3: of cars. Yeah. I think they did twelve models at 467 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 3: ten thousand each originally, and hence the name Treasure Hunt. 468 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:18,399 Speaker 3: They are hard to find. 469 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, And one of the cooler ones for me was 470 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:22,719 Speaker 1: the Oldsmobile for forty two. 471 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 3: Yeah. The thing is neat. 472 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 1: A dude at my church had a four forty two 473 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 1: and it was just awesome, man. He was he had 474 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 1: like the only muscle car in the youth group. And years, 475 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 1: like two years ago, my brother I was talking about 476 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:40,400 Speaker 1: this dude, Jason Singleton. I was like, whatever happened to him? 477 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 1: He's like, oh, he still lives in the so and so, 478 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 1: and he went and you know what, dude, I went, 479 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:45,920 Speaker 1: no went, He still got it. 480 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, why would you get rid of it? 481 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:50,160 Speaker 1: He still has the car. Went to his Facebook page 482 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 1: and it is like the center of his life. I'm 483 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:54,880 Speaker 1: sure it's his baby. I mean, he's had that thing 484 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:58,720 Speaker 1: since like nineteen eighty six and just it's juiced up 485 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:01,159 Speaker 1: and he's just gre the daylights out of me and 486 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 1: that thing. But it was also exhilarating, you know, to 487 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 1: be riding with him and he you know, like two 488 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 1: hundred feet of drag. He would lay like power breaking 489 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,280 Speaker 1: and he would get like four sets of tires a year. 490 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:16,439 Speaker 3: He'd be in the passenger seat going saved me Jesus. 491 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, I was very scared because I was you know, 492 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 1: I didn't flirt with the wild side back then. 493 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,600 Speaker 3: No, so Oldsmobile four forty two is as close as 494 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:26,960 Speaker 3: you got. 495 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 1: Yep. It was exhilarating. 496 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,200 Speaker 3: And then so that was nineteen ninety five. This treasure 497 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 3: Hunt thing kind of went. It didn't go exactly as plan. 498 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 3: Mattel was like, oh, we could make even more money 499 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 3: if we put these into a wider release. Yeah, So 500 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 3: the original ten thousand releases were redoing again and again 501 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:48,440 Speaker 3: and again. So treasure hunt kind of became commonplace, sure, 502 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 3: but it was a good idea and it tapped into 503 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:54,920 Speaker 3: this whole idea of collecting. Like Mattel was like, we 504 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,080 Speaker 3: know you're out there, and we're going to design these 505 00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 3: just for you. Yeah, and we'll talk more about collectors, 506 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,199 Speaker 3: but just to kind of button up the history of 507 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 3: Hot Wheels, it all came full circle in nineteen ninety 508 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:12,680 Speaker 3: six when Mattel bought Tycho and hence Hot Wheels bought Matchbox. 509 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:15,120 Speaker 1: So they're all owned by Mattel at this point. Yes, 510 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 1: all right, we'll get to the design and collecting it 511 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:40,679 Speaker 1: right after this. So back then, if you wanted to 512 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:44,760 Speaker 1: do a smaller version of a larger car and scale 513 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:49,280 Speaker 1: it down, you didn't have computer aided design and stuff. 514 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 1: Sometimes you might have had a blueprint, which helped, but 515 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 1: sometimes you just had to get out there in the 516 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:56,920 Speaker 1: parking lot with the tape measure yeah, and just take 517 00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:01,240 Speaker 1: some measurements and then you know, be good at math, 518 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:03,440 Speaker 1: right basically. 519 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,880 Speaker 3: And like like we said, Harry Bradley, who's the daddy 520 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 3: of the Hot Wheels designs, who's the guy who did 521 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:12,959 Speaker 3: the first sixteen He was a GM designer. Originally in 522 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 3: his footsteps followed Howard Reese and then after that Larry 523 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,399 Speaker 3: would and they those are some of like the legendary 524 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 3: Hot Wheels designers. 525 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:22,760 Speaker 1: That's the Mount Rushmore of hot wheels pretty much. 526 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:27,359 Speaker 3: Yeah and yeah. They would just literally go out and 527 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,400 Speaker 3: measure these things. And that was one way that hot 528 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:34,920 Speaker 3: wheels were born. Another way was that And this definitely 529 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:38,679 Speaker 3: differentiates Hot Wheels from match Box is that there are 530 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:42,000 Speaker 3: hot Wheels that only exist in the Hot Wheels world. 531 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:43,320 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. 532 00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:46,199 Speaker 3: They they are called the fantasy cars, like they're just 533 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 3: the designer's imagination come to life. 534 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:56,440 Speaker 1: Right Whereas match Box only I believe, has bread trucks exactly, Well, 535 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,200 Speaker 1: they only have cars that are based on real cars, 536 00:26:58,240 --> 00:26:59,160 Speaker 1: right right. 537 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,080 Speaker 3: Hot Wheels has a whole fantasy line. 538 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,159 Speaker 1: It's interesting that they're owned byes of the same company 539 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:07,480 Speaker 1: still and they just have kept that distinction. Yeah, you know, 540 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 1: I guess some people are Matchbox kids and some kids 541 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:15,119 Speaker 1: are Hot Wheels kids. I had both. I think I 542 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 1: had a bread truck. 543 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:18,680 Speaker 3: Is that why you keep going to the bread truck? 544 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:20,359 Speaker 1: Well, no, I didn't have a bread truck, but I 545 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,640 Speaker 1: do remember having a couple of like weird utility type vehicles. 546 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:27,200 Speaker 1: Huh huh. That I don't remember. There were probably gifts 547 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 1: or stocking stuffers or something. 548 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:28,760 Speaker 3: Huh. 549 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:30,200 Speaker 1: I don't think I like sought it out. 550 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,400 Speaker 3: I was always into Tonka trucks. I thought Tonko was great. 551 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,840 Speaker 3: They were obviously much bigger, but those were like construction vehicles, 552 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,679 Speaker 3: like dump trucks and stuff like that. And still today 553 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 3: that Volvo dump truck, the giant one, yeah, with the 554 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:46,920 Speaker 3: huge wheels, I think is one of the coolest vehicles 555 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,320 Speaker 3: ever created. Yeah, I think I had one of those. 556 00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:50,080 Speaker 3: When I was a kid. 557 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,439 Speaker 1: I didn't have a lot of Tonka stuff. One of 558 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 1: my favorite hot wheels though, was the little red Express truck. 559 00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 3: I don't remember that if. 560 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 1: You saw it, you might it might a bell that 561 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:04,080 Speaker 1: was basically uh, I can't remember what kind of truck 562 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:06,480 Speaker 1: it was. I think it was a Dodge, but it 563 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 1: was just a cool red step side pickup truck and 564 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 1: it had the two vertical mufflers on each side that 565 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:13,919 Speaker 1: went up above the truck. 566 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 3: I think I know what you're talking about. 567 00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:17,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's really cool. And if you go to 568 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 1: the the Peterson Automotive Museum in La oh, yeah, They 569 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:25,479 Speaker 1: have a really cool exhibit there that I haven't been 570 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:26,919 Speaker 1: to in person, but I was looking at it, a 571 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:31,200 Speaker 1: line permanent exhibit where they have the real life versions 572 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,200 Speaker 1: of the hot wheel cars and they have a little 573 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,040 Speaker 1: red express truck, a full size one. Yeah, and I 574 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:37,960 Speaker 1: saw it and I was like. 575 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:41,240 Speaker 3: Whoa, did you just die from nostalgia? 576 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 1: Look might have teered up a little bit at the desk, 577 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:48,400 Speaker 1: but they have, you know, the the gussied up corvettes 578 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 1: with the big chrome engines coming out of the hood. 579 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:51,760 Speaker 3: And do they have the four to four to two. 580 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 1: I don't know if they have the four forty two. 581 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 3: But I'm very well, when your friend dies, but it's 582 00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:58,480 Speaker 3: in his will. 583 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,840 Speaker 1: I'll go straight to the muse. Yeah, I'm gonna go 584 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 1: to this thing though at some point I don't know, 585 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 1: on this next LA trip or not. But it's right 586 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 1: there near the labri of tarpets. I think, oh yeah, 587 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:09,719 Speaker 1: so I want to go check it out. 588 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 3: I've been there. Yeah, it's neat. 589 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 1: It is neat. But back to the design. These days, 590 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:17,960 Speaker 1: you're not gonna need a tape measure and stuff like that. 591 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 1: You're gonna photoshop designs and you're gonna even get a 592 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:24,720 Speaker 1: three D printer to your prototype. 593 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:28,120 Speaker 3: That had to have helped them tremendously. Yeah, because you know, 594 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,720 Speaker 3: with if you're designing real life cars and you have 595 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,760 Speaker 3: a three D printer, that's pretty handy, but with Hot Wheels, like, 596 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:35,960 Speaker 3: you can print out pretty much exactly what it's gonna 597 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:40,800 Speaker 3: look like. Sure, and once they have the the prototype done, 598 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,640 Speaker 3: they'll make them. They'll make a mold out of it 599 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:48,280 Speaker 3: and then inject it with molten metal under tremendous pressure. Yeah, 600 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:50,960 Speaker 3: and that's why it's called die cast. You create a 601 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:54,200 Speaker 3: dye that you cast all of the ensuing ones from. 602 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:56,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think they're made with less metal than 603 00:29:56,800 --> 00:30:01,480 Speaker 1: they used to be, but they they still have metal components, right. 604 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I haven't seen a new one in a while. 605 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 3: I haven't either, but I'm almost positive they do. And 606 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,520 Speaker 3: apparently they're still about like a dollar. Oh really Yeah. 607 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:11,640 Speaker 3: I was on the Hot Wheels collector site today and 608 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:14,480 Speaker 3: like they kept making reference to about a dollar. So 609 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,760 Speaker 3: just what's called the mainline? Yeah, the ones that they 610 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:19,480 Speaker 3: make on mass. 611 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:20,680 Speaker 1: The citation exactly. 612 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:23,320 Speaker 3: I'll bet if you've got your hands on that nineteen 613 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:25,760 Speaker 3: eighty three citation it'd be worth a few books. You're right, 614 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 3: but they kept referring to the mainline stuff about a dollar. 615 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,680 Speaker 1: Well, they've just kept making their manufacturing cheaper and cheaper, 616 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,959 Speaker 1: so they've maintained that cost. I guess. Yeah. So as 617 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:40,880 Speaker 1: far as collecting goes, the most valuable and that is 618 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:44,240 Speaker 1: not this crazy one made out of diamonds for the 619 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:47,120 Speaker 1: fortieth anniversary, which we'll talk about in a minute, But 620 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:53,080 Speaker 1: the most valuable regular hot wheel is the sixty eight 621 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,600 Speaker 1: beach Bomb, which was a VW bus and hot pink 622 00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 1: that had real surfboard stick it out of the back. 623 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:04,840 Speaker 3: Yeah. Originally they only released I think twenty five of 624 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,200 Speaker 3: them like that. There were a couple of problems. It 625 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,920 Speaker 3: was difficult to manufacture them with the surfboard sticking on 626 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,760 Speaker 3: the back, even though it was more realistic sure, and 627 00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:16,640 Speaker 3: it also was terrible on like a loopy loop track, yeah, 628 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,080 Speaker 3: because I guess the surfboards would either way them down 629 00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:22,040 Speaker 3: or it would get stuck. So they only made just 630 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:25,160 Speaker 3: a few of these things. The beach Bomb that was 631 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:30,440 Speaker 3: the highest selling the hogh Wheels ever, was a pink one. 632 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 3: They made even fewer of those because apparently a lot 633 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:34,600 Speaker 3: of boys were like, oh, I'm not playing with some 634 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,840 Speaker 3: pink van, even if it does have cool surfboards sticking 635 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,440 Speaker 3: out of the back. So the thing sold for like, 636 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:45,080 Speaker 3: I think seventy something seventy five thousand dollars in two thousand, 637 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:49,240 Speaker 3: and it has since sold again in twenty eleven. I 638 00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 3: saw in like LA magazine for like one hundred and 639 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:53,360 Speaker 3: twenty five thousand. 640 00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:55,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a lot of money for a tiny little car. 641 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,400 Speaker 3: Yeah it is. And that's the highest one ever apparently 642 00:31:58,840 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 3: by a long shot too. 643 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,800 Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean I've seen others that were worth like 644 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:06,280 Speaker 1: ten grand and stuff, Like I think one of those 645 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,320 Speaker 1: four to forty two originals is like ten grand. 646 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:13,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess like nineteen seventy mongoose or cobra are 647 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:17,560 Speaker 3: worth about ten grand these days, and a lot of them, 648 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:21,960 Speaker 3: just like with any collector's item, you'll see if there 649 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,960 Speaker 3: was just a few of them made, obviously they're gonna 650 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,440 Speaker 3: be worth a lot more if there was something that 651 00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:31,560 Speaker 3: where they adjusted the design, like for example, the python 652 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,880 Speaker 3: was originally called the Cheetah. Yeah, and then they found 653 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,680 Speaker 3: out that a real life executive with real life lawyers 654 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:42,440 Speaker 3: at GM owned the name Cheetah, because apparently GM executives 655 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,040 Speaker 3: just owned names for cars that could potentially be. 656 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,160 Speaker 1: Used like every anifast animal name. 657 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:50,760 Speaker 3: Right, exactly. Yeah, so they changed it to the python, 658 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:54,320 Speaker 3: but that was after they'd started manufacturing the cheetah. So 659 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,760 Speaker 3: there's some out there that say Cheetah stamped on the bottom, 660 00:32:57,840 --> 00:32:59,840 Speaker 3: and if you have one of those, it's for ten. 661 00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:02,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny to think about. It's the same with 662 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:06,080 Speaker 1: Star Wars, like sometimes the mistake ones are the ones 663 00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:09,320 Speaker 1: that are super valuable because like there was some recall, 664 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,040 Speaker 1: but they're like, oh, but you want that one because 665 00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:15,160 Speaker 1: the Boba FET's rocket really shot out before kids started 666 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:18,040 Speaker 1: joking on them, right or catching on fire. Yeah, and 667 00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,160 Speaker 1: that's the one you want. Yeah, But like you said, 668 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,040 Speaker 1: it's all about scarcity and supplying to man. 669 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:25,360 Speaker 3: Dude. This whole thing is reminded me of a really 670 00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:29,920 Speaker 3: great gallery I put together about hilarious knockoff toys. 671 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 1: Oh that's a good one. 672 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, go to stuff youshould know dot com and look 673 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:37,720 Speaker 3: that up. It's pretty awesome. There's some really strange interpretations 674 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:42,600 Speaker 3: of beloved toys, including Star Wars toys, that people who 675 00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:46,360 Speaker 3: make counterfeit toys come up with to try to skirt 676 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,760 Speaker 3: trademark law. Maybe or something or else. They just fully 677 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:53,160 Speaker 3: don't understand the toy and what it's a lure is, 678 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:56,160 Speaker 3: so they just make it in this weird interpretation. It's 679 00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:57,160 Speaker 3: pretty hilarious stuff. 680 00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:59,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a good one. We'll post that again, okay. 681 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:03,560 Speaker 1: And then I did mention the diamond studded one. I 682 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:08,360 Speaker 1: always think these things are just ridiculous. But like to 683 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,600 Speaker 1: take any like of the diamond studded bras it was worth, 684 00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:14,760 Speaker 1: you know, oh yeah, for million bucks. I just always 685 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:16,680 Speaker 1: think it's kind of dumb. But they did make a 686 00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:19,640 Speaker 1: fortieth anniversary in edition in nineteen I'm sorry, in two 687 00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:24,120 Speaker 1: thousand and eight with twenty seven hundred little diamonds and 688 00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:28,160 Speaker 1: rubies for tail lights and black diamonds for the tires 689 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,400 Speaker 1: and all that stuff. Eighteen care at white cold body. 690 00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:34,320 Speaker 1: But it's where the one hundred and forty or it costs 691 00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,320 Speaker 1: one hundred and forty thousand dollars to put together. 692 00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:41,120 Speaker 3: I'm sure it's gaudy. It's a gaudy hot wheels. Yeah, 693 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:43,520 Speaker 3: so the car's cool. It looks like Mad Max's car. 694 00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:45,160 Speaker 1: Oh you get is that a picture of it? 695 00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:45,480 Speaker 3: Yeah? 696 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:46,279 Speaker 1: I don't think I saw that. 697 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:50,520 Speaker 3: Can you identify that car? Uh? 698 00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:52,680 Speaker 1: What is that looks familiar? It does look familiar to 699 00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:54,560 Speaker 1: its sort of like a Dolorean, but I don't think 700 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:54,840 Speaker 1: it is. 701 00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:56,960 Speaker 3: I don't think so either. 702 00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,160 Speaker 1: No, man, that new Mad Max looks good though. 703 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:01,040 Speaker 3: Are you making Mad Max? 704 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:05,200 Speaker 1: Well, there's a new reboot I guess is what they 705 00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:06,000 Speaker 1: call it these days? 706 00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:07,080 Speaker 3: Cool? Who's in it? 707 00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:14,919 Speaker 1: What's his face that played Bain So? Yeah, Tom, Tom? 708 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:20,280 Speaker 1: What's no? But uh, it looks it's the same director, 709 00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,920 Speaker 1: Tom Hardy. Yeah, Tom Hardy. But it's the same director 710 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,879 Speaker 1: from all the Mad Max series. So it's oh really yeah, yeah, 711 00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:28,920 Speaker 1: yeah wow, And it just looks it's the whole it's 712 00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:33,800 Speaker 1: supposed to be just like one long intense chase battle. 713 00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:37,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, sounds a lot like a Mad Max movie. 714 00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:37,839 Speaker 1: Yep, what you want? 715 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:39,120 Speaker 3: Have you ever seen Vanishing Point? 716 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:42,480 Speaker 1: I think so? What is that? 717 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,799 Speaker 3: It was? Like, Man, I can't remember the car, but 718 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,560 Speaker 3: the car was basically the Star. It was on long 719 00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:53,680 Speaker 3: car chase from like I think Colorado to California. 720 00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:54,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember that. 721 00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:56,000 Speaker 3: It's a good one from the seventies. 722 00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:57,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, two lane Blacktops Challenger. 723 00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:02,239 Speaker 3: It's another the car. Yeah, I haven't seen that one. 724 00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:05,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's good. When that one weirdly had James Taylor 725 00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:09,960 Speaker 1: in it when he was young and like on drugs 726 00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:10,440 Speaker 1: and cool. 727 00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:12,160 Speaker 3: Were they apologizing to France? 728 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:13,960 Speaker 1: I don't know what they deal was. 729 00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:17,280 Speaker 3: Did you hear about that? No, so that whole Charlie 730 00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:22,359 Speaker 3: Hebdoh Solidarity March the US sent like, yeah, I think 731 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:24,880 Speaker 3: the assistant that could be in charge of the USDA 732 00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:28,400 Speaker 3: or something like that. Yeah, So to apologize, John Carey 733 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:33,480 Speaker 3: had James Taylor go to France to perform. You've got 734 00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:37,160 Speaker 3: a French shut up for the French government. 735 00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:42,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, just talk about beer. I know, isn't it send 736 00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:47,160 Speaker 1: guns n' roses or something at least well not guns n' 737 00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:49,200 Speaker 1: roses from nineteen eighty eight. 738 00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:54,960 Speaker 3: Any guns n' roses? Man. One more thing about collecting. 739 00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:59,919 Speaker 3: If you wanted to be the coolest collector of hot 740 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,719 Speaker 3: wheels on the planet, you would have to build a 741 00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,640 Speaker 3: time machine and go back to nineteen eighty seven to 742 00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:09,640 Speaker 3: my hometown of Toledo, Ohio, which is where the first 743 00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:15,080 Speaker 3: ever hot Wheels Convention Collector's Convention was held. I really 744 00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:17,840 Speaker 3: wish I would have gone to that because I was 745 00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,360 Speaker 3: there at the time. What year was it, eighty seven? 746 00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,240 Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, yeah, I can't believe we sent James Tayler 747 00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,040 Speaker 1: still just like, yeah, I can't focus on anything. 748 00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:28,840 Speaker 3: Well, if you want to know more about James Taylor, 749 00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,840 Speaker 3: hot wheels, or just about anything there is in the universe, 750 00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,239 Speaker 3: you can type it into the search bar at HowStuffWorks 751 00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:37,080 Speaker 3: dot com. And since I said search, bart's time for 752 00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:37,759 Speaker 3: listener mail. 753 00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:45,480 Speaker 1: I'm gonna call this minimum wage argument not argument proposal. 754 00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:46,000 Speaker 3: All right. 755 00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,600 Speaker 1: Listened to How Homelessness Works from quite a few years ago, 756 00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:50,279 Speaker 1: and you guys commented that part of the problem was 757 00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:53,040 Speaker 1: a low minimum wage. In comparison the cost of renting 758 00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,120 Speaker 1: a two bedroom apartment, you'd have to work something like 759 00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:59,000 Speaker 1: eighty seven per hours eighty seven hours per week to 760 00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,960 Speaker 1: afford it, the implication we need to raise minimum wage. 761 00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:05,680 Speaker 1: After hearing this, a clear solution occurred to me. I 762 00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:08,560 Speaker 1: think disagreements on raising minimum wage as a result with 763 00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:13,200 Speaker 1: simple misunderstanding. On the raise side, people believe this wage 764 00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,400 Speaker 1: should be set at a level that would allow someone 765 00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:18,080 Speaker 1: to raise a few children and live a modest but 766 00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:21,160 Speaker 1: reasonably comfortable level, or at least a safe level. On 767 00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:24,040 Speaker 1: the don't raise it side, people believe minimum wage is 768 00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:27,560 Speaker 1: just a starting point for working, like for teenagers, at 769 00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,560 Speaker 1: their summer job or after school. This ide believes workers 770 00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:34,120 Speaker 1: should were never intended to and should not expect to 771 00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:37,000 Speaker 1: be able to support a family that pays minimum wage. 772 00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:41,360 Speaker 1: So here's my solution. Since we're a democracy here, let's 773 00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,440 Speaker 1: just decide what it is supposed to accomplish and then 774 00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:47,000 Speaker 1: set it at the appropriate level to do that. If 775 00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:49,120 Speaker 1: we decide it's a nation that someone should be able 776 00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,359 Speaker 1: to raise a family rent a two bedroom apartment while 777 00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:54,480 Speaker 1: earning a wage minimum wage, let's just figure out what 778 00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:59,759 Speaker 1: that would cost and set the wage there. Figure in rent, clothing, food, utilities, transportation, etc. 779 00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,560 Speaker 1: Let's say it's twenty seven grand per year, then set 780 00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:04,279 Speaker 1: it at that rate. On the other hand, if we 781 00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,880 Speaker 1: as a nation decide that minimum wage is just a 782 00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,800 Speaker 1: starting point, not meant to support a family. It's intended 783 00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:13,239 Speaker 1: for people with no work history or experience and low 784 00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:15,640 Speaker 1: to no marketable skills, and we need to set minimum 785 00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:18,320 Speaker 1: wage at a relatively low level and let the market. 786 00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,440 Speaker 1: The free market will ultimately determine the wage for entry 787 00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:24,480 Speaker 1: level workers, and workers historically have been able to increase 788 00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:28,800 Speaker 1: compensation by gaining skills and good work history. With a settle, 789 00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:32,560 Speaker 1: any argument about setting minimum wage at a living wage 790 00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:36,000 Speaker 1: would be mistaken because we all just decided that people 791 00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,960 Speaker 1: are not meant to live on minimum wage and certainly 792 00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,480 Speaker 1: not meant to support a family. That is from Joe 793 00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:48,000 Speaker 1: Prohaska in Reno, Nevada, and its interesting. I look forward 794 00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:49,360 Speaker 1: to seeing the rebuttal emails. 795 00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:52,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, I love that kind of stuff. Yeah, it's a 796 00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:54,920 Speaker 3: great proposal. I mean, I think that is what it's 797 00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:55,440 Speaker 3: based on. 798 00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:57,000 Speaker 1: Sure, but as far. 799 00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,800 Speaker 3: As I know, the cost of living calculations are really 800 00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,560 Speaker 3: date Yeah, and take a lot of stuff into account 801 00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:04,160 Speaker 3: that doesn't really apply any longer. 802 00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,320 Speaker 1: Plus, regardless of what you think it should or should 803 00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:10,400 Speaker 1: not be, the fact is, adults with two kids are 804 00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:12,040 Speaker 1: still going to be working these jobs. It's not just 805 00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:14,480 Speaker 1: going to be teenagers looking to advance. 806 00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:17,239 Speaker 3: But it would be nice to put that issue to bed, 807 00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:19,680 Speaker 3: to say, like, this is what we're trying to achieve, 808 00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,799 Speaker 3: or this is not what we're trying to achieve. At 809 00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:24,360 Speaker 3: the very least you get everybody talking. 810 00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:27,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, because should some teenager at his first job make 811 00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:28,480 Speaker 1: like fourteen bucks an hour? 812 00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:29,160 Speaker 3: I don't know. 813 00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:30,839 Speaker 1: I don't know if that's sending the right message either. 814 00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:35,319 Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know we'll leave it up 815 00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:37,239 Speaker 3: to you guys, our dear listeners. 816 00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:39,239 Speaker 1: When I started working, it was like three bucks an 817 00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:41,040 Speaker 1: hour or something. It was ridiculously low. 818 00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:44,719 Speaker 3: That is ridiculously low. Yeah, if you want to let 819 00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:48,920 Speaker 3: us know how you feel about Joe's proposal, was it Joe? 820 00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:53,520 Speaker 1: I believe it was Joe Reno, Joe Reno Joe. 821 00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:56,960 Speaker 3: You can tweet to us at sysk podcast. You can 822 00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,440 Speaker 3: post it on Facebook dot com, slash Stuff you Should Know. 823 00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:02,080 Speaker 3: You can put it in an email. 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