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Speaker 1: This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. What is up,

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Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen, It's me Jason McIntyre, Straight Fire, Friday

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Speaker 1: eight four second. It is Final four weekend. I'm geeked.

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Speaker 1: I might be the only person very excited about that.

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Speaker 1: I looked at the times being out here in l

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Speaker 1: gonzagas I was like, whoa, how did you know that?

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Speaker 1: And it's at like five thirty Pacific. I was like, okay,

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Speaker 1: but they're the second game. The first game of the

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Speaker 1: Final Four starts at two fifteen on Saturday afternoon in

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Speaker 1: So it's Final four weekend. Oh boy. We have a

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Speaker 1: great guest coming up later in the show to talk

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Speaker 1: about Gonzaga versus U c l A. He happened to

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Speaker 1: play in a memorable you see l a Gonzaga game

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Speaker 1: back in the day. Yes, the Adam Morrison crying game.

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Speaker 1: You see l A former center Ryan Hollins. He's over

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Speaker 1: at CBS Sports. I've done some radio with him, some TV.

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Speaker 1: Nice guy. He does say a lot of very incendiary

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Speaker 1: things towards the end of the interview that I think

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Speaker 1: and uh yeah, I think you'll enjoy that a little

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Speaker 1: later in the podcast. So before we get the final

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Speaker 1: four picks, I do want to say I recently read

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Speaker 1: a story. There was a couple of years old about

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Speaker 1: a book that Steve Kerr read that like changed his life,

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Speaker 1: and I just wanted to talk about it a little

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Speaker 1: bit because I ordered it and I started to read

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Speaker 1: it and it is pretty awesome. The book it's called

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Speaker 1: The Inner Game of Tennis, and it's not actually about tennis.

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Speaker 1: Before you start fast forwarding, okay, it's not about tennis.

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Speaker 1: It's about like self help before the self help craze.

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Speaker 1: This is from like the nineties seventies. This Harvard English

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Speaker 1: major wrote it, and it's been an influential book. You

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Speaker 1: know how Phil Jackson used to give out books to

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Speaker 1: When I read about the book, I was like, I

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Speaker 1: you why. So I told you guys, I played hoops

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Speaker 1: Usually i've been starting out hot because I got the

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Speaker 1: And it's really this book. Inter Game of Tennis is

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Speaker 1: mind will say, hey, do this, do this, do this,

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Speaker 1: in the way. This book helps meld them both together.

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Speaker 1: And I mean, listen, if you're a golfer, you know

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Speaker 1: I'm playing tennis today. I know when I play tennis,

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Speaker 1: the past and the past is gone. Think about it

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Speaker 1: that way, like there's a lot we can improve, and

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Speaker 1: gonna give out that book as a wreck. I think

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Speaker 1: this is only Rob g you can check me on it.

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Speaker 1: I think that's the second book I've recommended on the

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Speaker 1: the Millionaire next Door. I recommended that significantly, um, especially

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Speaker 1: for the young guys out there who want to pull

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Speaker 1: up to the office in a hot ride so the

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Speaker 1: let's move on to sports here real quick. UM, I'm

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Speaker 1: many injuries right now. You can't bet on it. It's

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Speaker 1: And you guys have been listening for the last month.

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Speaker 1: It's slated to happen. I hope it still goes down.

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Speaker 1: So Monday's podcast college basketball will be a focus there.

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Speaker 1: So Rob G, I need to get your interest level.

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Speaker 1: It's Easter weekend. We got family coming in town Saturday afternoon,

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Speaker 1: but this is the largest spread for a Final four

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Speaker 1: fourteen points. Brett Now, listen. As soon as it came out,

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Speaker 1: Now that's a huge number. I don't recommend in the NFL,

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Speaker 1: gus at their best player is hat Cains. Okay, he's

425
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Speaker 1: the toughest player on the Florida. Now, he didn't have

426
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Speaker 1: a great one, but he's a he's a selfless guy.

427
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Speaker 1: So he went out hutting shots and shout out to Jones.

428
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Speaker 1: Jones from Michigan. He did a half of the god

429
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Speaker 1: job Garden had Cass. He couldn't get his normal looks.

430
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Speaker 1: So we'll see if that continues. But those guys are selfless.

431
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Speaker 1: They play around each other um and it's weird. It's

432
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Speaker 1: not the most conventional I swear, Jason, just like you,

433
00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:36,440
Speaker 1: there will be a stretch in the game where they

434
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Speaker 1: just look horrific, and then they'll get to the free

435
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Speaker 1: throw line. They'll get us still, they'll get in transition,

436
00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:45,239
Speaker 1: they'll hit a wide open three. They just they're just

437
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Speaker 1: making plays right now and there's no real way to

438
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Speaker 1: quantify what's happening. I'll be honest as an analyst, don't

439
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Speaker 1: You're analysts had out the window and just watch the

440
00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:58,600
Speaker 1: games and label it as toughness. These guys are just tough, dude.

441
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Speaker 1: It's toughness and that's what That's what stinks in a

442
00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:06,080
Speaker 1: sport that's getting more and more by the numbers. You

443
00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:08,320
Speaker 1: just look at this and you're like, well, Gazak is

444
00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:10,359
Speaker 1: gonna win in a blood bath. I mean, this is

445
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Speaker 1: a u c L. A team that lost twice to USC.

446
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:14,840
Speaker 1: They got blitzed and then they lost a close one

447
00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:17,520
Speaker 1: at the end of the season, and USC could not

448
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Speaker 1: be on the court with Gonzaga from the jump, Ryan,

449
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:24,240
Speaker 1: what if you're the coach? Okay, you're talking to Cronan

450
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Speaker 1: about strategy you played in the league. You played uh

451
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Speaker 1: U c l A, Like, what do you tell him?

452
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Speaker 1: What's our best chance here? Slow the game down to

453
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Speaker 1: a crawl, like we got that. There are three nine

454
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Speaker 1: in the country in average time of possession UM and

455
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:42,399
Speaker 1: their possession lengths, so you gotta slow it down. But again,

456
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Speaker 1: it's just slowing it down doesn't mean you're gonna have

457
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Speaker 1: a chance. You know, this is a Gazagga team defensively offensively,

458
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Speaker 1: top ten in the country in both. They've won twenty

459
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Speaker 1: seven straight games by double digits. How do you beat them? Well, here,

460
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Speaker 1: here's the reality. You looked at Michigan State and said, well,

461
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Speaker 1: they knocked off Illinois Michigan Ohio State. Uh, not a chance,

462
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 1: Bruin's they won. Uh they play against uh Abilene and

463
00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:11,520
Speaker 1: you probably say, man, who who knows? Maybe they gets

464
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Speaker 1: an upset. They messed around to win that. They beat

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Speaker 1: a good b y U team that had Gonzaga down

466
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Speaker 1: by twelve by You had Gonzaga down by twelve points

467
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Speaker 1: at half. Now it was only a half, but they

468
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:24,879
Speaker 1: had it down so let's you know, anything could happened.

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Speaker 1: Then when it comes to Alabama, I know you, Mackin,

470
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Speaker 1: you'd have bet your house, your keys, your car, everything

471
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Speaker 1: on Alabama. The bad losses in that game. Okay, they

472
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Speaker 1: beat Alabama and then and then you beat Michigan, who

473
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Speaker 1: you would have bet. Ford said, oh, without Livers, they're

474
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Speaker 1: playing great. This is that. So I bring that up

475
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Speaker 1: to say, this is a team that's been there before.

476
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Speaker 1: This is a team that's been back against the wall.

477
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Speaker 1: I could argue that was more athletic. Talked to the bottom.

478
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Speaker 1: Alabama was a more athletic team in Michigan, and we

479
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Speaker 1: talked about a team that could challenge Gonzaga. Who we

480
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Speaker 1: we all said Alabama, And we talked about a team

481
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Speaker 1: it wasn't Baylor. We said Alabama was gonna be the

482
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Speaker 1: team to challenge Gonzaga. To fully answer your question, not

483
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Speaker 1: just want to give you some belief first. To fully

484
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Speaker 1: answer your question, you gotta play Drew Timmy one on one.

485
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Speaker 1: And one of the things you can derive from Hunter Dickinson,

486
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Speaker 1: who's not as good or skilled of a player at

487
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Speaker 1: this point in his career as Drew Timmy, is that

488
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Speaker 1: Bruns re able to show out on the pick and

489
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Speaker 1: roll recover to Dickinson play on one on one, he

490
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Speaker 1: only has eleven points. It felt like he had forty, okay,

491
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Speaker 1: but he had eleven points. And if they can guard

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Speaker 1: you Timmy one on one, make his shots tough. He

493
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Speaker 1: is the key to Gonzaga's offense. Now you get let

494
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Speaker 1: me give you a second one. Let me give you

495
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Speaker 1: a second one. Gonzaga is so well coached by coach

496
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Speaker 1: Few that another thing you have to do outside of

497
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 1: limiting turnovers, is you have to hustle and play your

498
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Speaker 1: butt off because Gonzaga will beat you with the past.

499
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Speaker 1: It's not too many teams in college basketball that can

500
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Speaker 1: beat you with the past. All of their guys. You'll

501
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:07,359
Speaker 1: have three or four point guards on the four at

502
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:10,120
Speaker 1: the same time, and Timmy has excellent vision. They're cutting,

503
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 1: they're passing, they're moving, they're driving. So you gotta be

504
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Speaker 1: on your piece and queues defensively against this group. But

505
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,119
Speaker 1: the biggest thing you've gotta take away, which what we

506
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Speaker 1: thought USC would do and they failed to do. If

507
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 1: you gotta take away droop Timmy in those paint points

508
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:29,480
Speaker 1: against Gonzaga, all right, I I gotta be honest. I

509
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,399
Speaker 1: didn't think Timmy was that good until he went at

510
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 1: Mobile and gave him the business. But then I'm looking

511
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Speaker 1: at Timmy. Had twenty eight against Auburn, against Kansas, twenty

512
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Speaker 1: nine against u v A. So he's given everybody the business.

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Speaker 1: Had thirty against Oklahoma. So Cody Riley, let's say he

514
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Speaker 1: gets in foul trouble early, right, then you go to

515
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:51,359
Speaker 1: the big kid, Nowemba, like he's gonna have no chance.

516
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 1: He's long. But we're talking about a very very green

517
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Speaker 1: player here. Even if you shut down Timmy though more team,

518
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Speaker 1: all of my won't be in the game. Bro Okay,

519
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 1: fair enough, Cody Riley stays out of foul trouble, he

520
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 1: contains to me. But then you got Corey Kissper, who'

521
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:13,399
Speaker 1: shooting on threes, who's the first team All American, who's

522
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 1: probably a top twenty pick in the draft. And then

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Speaker 1: I think their best player is Suggs, the little point

524
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Speaker 1: guard who could go top five in the draft and

525
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 1: is a menace defensively. I mean, Suggs is an incredible player.

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Speaker 1: Uh in the tournament. He almost had a triple double

527
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Speaker 1: last um in the last game against USC fifty eight

528
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,399
Speaker 1: percent on twos for a point guard. Are you kidding me?

529
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Speaker 1: This kid? You know, I was reading about him. Ryan

530
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 1: Jalen Suggs was an eighth grader playing varsity and led

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Speaker 1: the team in scoring. They won four straight champions or

532
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 1: three straight championships the fourth year. Um. Obviously Covid didn't

533
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 1: get it in high school and he was like the

534
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 1: best player on the team every year in high school.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this guy's in the incredible athlete player. I

536
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Speaker 1: like him. I know this is sacrilegious. I like him

537
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Speaker 1: a little more than Kate cutting him. I like Sugs.

538
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,439
Speaker 1: I'm a point guard. I'm a guard myself. I like Sugs.

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Speaker 1: You yeah, I like cutting him. Listen, Suggs is not

540
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Speaker 1: gonna be able to get a shot off at the

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Speaker 1: next level of the way Kate Cunningham came. This is fact.

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Speaker 1: Kate is six day and Kate uh, Kate is a

543
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 1: better shoot off the bounce. I just don't see the

544
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 1: And again, this is not an indictment of Kate cutting him.

545
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:37,399
Speaker 1: He's the top five guy. I don't see the explosiveness

546
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 1: when he goes to the rim. He's not soaring over

547
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 1: you or going around you. He's just trying to shake

548
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 1: you up. I'm aware of that did a number on Oregon.

549
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 1: They did a number on him. He could not finish

550
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 1: at the rim against Oregon State. Jalen Suggs will go

551
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 1: over you. He he'll he'll pick your pocket in the backcourt.

552
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 1: Like Suggs is an incredible player. I don't know what

553
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 1: if you what if they put Sugs on your guy

554
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 1: Johnny Jusan and Jusank does have a two inch hight advantage.

555
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 1: Sugs is a great defender. And that's the biggest thing

556
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 1: Gonzaga more so than any year that I remember. They

557
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 1: can defend you, and not just defend. They will trap

558
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 1: and run and jump into back court. That normally Gonzaga

559
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 1: is a team that's gonna outshoot you. I'll execute you.

560
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 1: They how physical you, they how physical you, and they

561
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 1: go get you and they go pressed. And that's what

562
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 1: the scariest thing about Mark f You He's never had

563
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 1: talent like this. He's never had three NBA three plus

564
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 1: three minimum NBA players on one team. Guys three minimum, okay,

565
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 1: and all those guys are gonna be pros in one

566
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Speaker 1: way or another on one team. Mark Fus never had.

567
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Speaker 1: And at one time we were and I'll give you credit,

568
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 1: we were calling in Jayleen Sums the number one pick

569
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Speaker 1: of the draft. Now, at a minimum, he's he's top five,

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Speaker 1: as you said, and I completely agree, depending on the

571
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 1: situation and the need. But we've never seen Mark few

572
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 1: with this type of firepower. And now he's coaching. You know,

573
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 1: there's no like hot hits. You know, you think you

574
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Speaker 1: know firefright, you think Kentucky. You know a lot of

575
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 1: good guys had trouble buying in with Cal Perry, which

576
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 1: is crazy. The coach whos won a championship. But all

577
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Speaker 1: those guys is talented as they are. They run the system,

578
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 1: they played city basketball. You know, I want to add

579
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 1: they got a kid nem Hard to transfer from Florida.

580
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 1: We're forgetting about him. You know, he was a top

581
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 1: twenty recruit coming out of high school. He was really

582
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Speaker 1: they have three six five point guards, Martin. Yeah, it

583
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 1: sucks three sixtyards. That's tough. That is tough. I want

584
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Speaker 1: to go quickly back to your game. Gonzaga U c

585
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 1: l A. The historically amazing game. If you haven't seen

586
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 1: it on YouTube, like you're missing out. I believe you

587
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 1: were down thirteen with seven or you you were up

588
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 1: on Gonzaga. No, no, you were down. I'm sorry what

589
00:30:56,080 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 1: am I thing you were down thirteen seven minutes left,

590
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 1: Adam Morrison hits A hits A two. It's like, oh,

591
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 1: this is over, U c l A. You know they

592
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 1: couldn't show up and then the comeback begins. Can you can?

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00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure you're asked about this all the time,

594
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 1: but do you still remember when you felt like, okay,

595
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 1: we got a chance, this is definitely not over. What

596
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 1: was there a tipping point that kind of brought you

597
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 1: back into it? I from halftime? Yeah, they say, like,

598
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 1: you know, like I had to put it in God's

599
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 1: hands yea, like like and not specifically there, and that

600
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 1: wasn't the first thing on my mind. But like I knew,

601
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Speaker 1: all I could do is play as hard as I

602
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 1: could play and just give it my own. It was

603
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 1: out of my hands. You deserve some things in life.

604
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 1: This one was out of my hands. And it was effort, effort, effort.

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00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 1: I felt like our team that worked so hard man,

606
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 1: that we weren't gonna go out any other way, And

607
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:07,239
Speaker 1: we didn't know if we were going out when we

608
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 1: were winning. We just played. We didn't have a group

609
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 1: that hadn't give up in us. And the one thing

610
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 1: is Ben Hallan. It was masterful on the defensive end.

611
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 1: He's gonna go down in history one of the greatest

612
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 1: defensive coaches, I think all around. Now he hasn't gotten

613
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 1: a title. He gets a title, he really gets solidified,

614
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 1: you know. Um. But the one thing is we had

615
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 1: this mashball game plan and Adam Morrison ate it up.

616
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 1: He was the best player in the country at that time.

617
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 1: He could post you, he could take you off the bounce,

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00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 1: he could run, pick and roll, he could shoot it

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Speaker 1: from from half court. He had NBA range. Adam Morrison

620
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 1: had it all. Adam Morrison tore our defensive part and

621
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 1: only three other players that could do that, and that

622
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 1: was Brandon Roy, who was the top pick the Florida team,

623
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Speaker 1: and possibly one other. Okay, as far as when we

624
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 1: were really on her A games Fitz, Adam Morrison tore

625
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 1: us up. After halftime, game plan goes out the window.

626
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 1: But we are just playing basketball and we had to

627
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 1: go get it out the mud. And like you said,

628
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Speaker 1: what was most importantly they didn't play bad in the

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Speaker 1: second half, and I think we should only only like

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00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 1: the fight four minutes. And yeah, yeah, they were pretty

631
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,479
Speaker 1: terrible at the very end. But again, it was your defense.

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Speaker 1: Let me quickly ask you about Morrison, and I think

633
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Speaker 1: you're talking about it just hit me. We took Aaron,

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00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 1: a follow off of Morrison, and Aaron was our guy

635
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 1: in the senior Centric Boseman his last minutes ever, potentially

636
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 1: as a collegiate player. Centri Boseman switched on the Adam

637
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 1: Morrison and that was the matchup we didn't go with

638
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 1: earlier that we should have had see bows. Let me

639
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 1: ask you, were you surprised that Morrison kind of flamed

640
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 1: out in the pros. He didn't make it. Now listen,

641
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 1: I'm not asking your hammer the guy, but he was

642
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 1: I think a number two olds pick dominant at the

643
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 1: college level. So I'll be honest with you. I was.

644
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 1: If you forget, I was drafted with Adam and Adam

645
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 1: Charlotte at Lawrison. Adam Lawrison was the next Larry Bird.

646
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 1: And I don't put that lightly. I don't throw it out.

647
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 1: Adam Lawrison was the next Larry Bird. And I know

648
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:12,799
Speaker 1: they said that it was a joke in hot he

649
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 1: was the next Larry Bird. Adam Morrison didn't have the

650
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 1: correct training in Charlotte to be come who he needed

651
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 1: to be. He didn't have a support system around him,

652
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 1: because you can say, dude, the teammate responsible for you

653
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 1: becoming Larry Bird, you gotta you gotta do that. And

654
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 1: when he went to l A and he heard his

655
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 1: A c L, it was over. But I trained with

656
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,919
Speaker 1: Adam Morrison pre draft and I watched him work and

657
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 1: he was he was on his stuff. He was working

658
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 1: with Don McClain, and he came in the summer league.

659
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 1: Do you remember gets twenty five straight in summer league?

660
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 1: They shut him down. He had twenty five in a

661
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 1: second half against Kevin Garnett's Wolves and we win the game.

662
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 1: He had a switch, He had the it factor. But

663
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 1: what Adam lost is his work ethic. Was it the injury,

664
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:01,880
Speaker 1: I'll stay I'll say it right now. The injury was big.

665
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:04,279
Speaker 1: Adam Morrison was the last one in the first one

666
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:07,839
Speaker 1: out in the gym. Oh that's not the one. That's

667
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,399
Speaker 1: that's the oppisite of what you want to be. You got,

668
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 1: you got. You game got too good to him, and

669
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 1: you didn't have He didn't have the right mentorship around him,

670
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 1: like hey, dude, this this and this, and the NBA's

671
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 1: cut throat, but there wasn't a key in on player

672
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 1: development like there is today, and later on they started

673
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:25,879
Speaker 1: to work with Adam and do stuff and make him

674
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 1: come after and shooting stuff. But we had such a

675
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 1: veteran team it was kind of he walked in like

676
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 1: he was a veteran already and you do you gotta

677
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 1: get it off the mud one more time in the NBA,

678
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 1: and he kind of thought he was you know, he

679
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 1: was there, But Adam Morrison was Larry Bird fam So

680
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 1: how how was he like in practice? Going against well

681
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 1: at Gerald Wallace and who else did you guys have

682
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:49,439
Speaker 1: felt in and okah for on that team, I think

683
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 1: he was you know, Adam was solid and practice he

684
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 1: was good. But another thing where he's really struggled was

685
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 1: on the defensive end of the floor. You know, he

686
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 1: was a guy that needed to get in the weight.

687
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,280
Speaker 1: From every team that we played, the first three players

688
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 1: in the game or four were posted up Morrison if

689
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 1: he was in the game, and we didn't you know

690
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, we didn't have the We played bad

691
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 1: basketball in Charlotte. Okay, we weren't looking at to win

692
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:18,320
Speaker 1: an NBA championship at the time. The goals developed Morrison

693
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 1: and let him get his looks and touches, but that

694
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 1: wasn't the way to develop him. Let me ask you this.

695
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 1: He ended up crying on the court against you guys

696
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 1: in U C. L A. Like, I'm sure everybody's seen it.

697
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,360
Speaker 1: It's one of the iconic March Badness moments of the

698
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 1: last two decades. Do you think that game did any

699
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 1: damage to him? And I'm not trying to reach here.

700
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 1: I just like, he was amazing as a player, and

701
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 1: then you know you mentioned a Summer League game, but

702
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 1: those don't count. Like after that, you see l A

703
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,240
Speaker 1: lost Like I don't know if it took his spirit

704
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 1: or what, but like he was never really the same.

705
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 1: Uh well yeah, I mean we had the actor awkward

706
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 1: conversation and I think you know, it's tough you see

707
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 1: something fall apart in your life that you feel like

708
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 1: you had guaranteed and at that point in life, all

709
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 1: these souls to despair from it. Um But it didn't

710
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 1: it didn't break him. He was really good in Summer League.

711
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,919
Speaker 1: He was really good and had some amazing moments early

712
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 1: in his career and flashes. But like I said, he

713
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 1: couldn't put it together. But that's that's not what broke him.

714
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 1: Adam out of mentally did Like I said, he did

715
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 1: have the training and the mentorship to be like, hey man,

716
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,319
Speaker 1: you have this amazing you know you say, like the

717
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 1: it factor whatever anybody says. Adam Morrison had the IT factor.

718
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 1: He just didn't have the mentorship around him, you know,

719
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 1: saying he was a dog. He talk, he had trash talk,

720
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 1: you hit. I mean heh like he talk. I mean

721
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 1: here looking the crowd like he was. I mean, he

722
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:42,760
Speaker 1: was amazing. Man, he had that high shoulder run. Adam

723
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 1: Morrison was a dog and he had the if fact.

724
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 1: He just did not have the training. But he was

725
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 1: able to move on to answer your question from from

726
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 1: that moment um. But yeah, I mean it irritated him. Adam.

727
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 1: Adam in such a reserved person. That's why you don't

728
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 1: hear from no social media, no nothing. Always a uh

729
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 1: say introvert. You know he doesn't. He's not a people person.

730
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,360
Speaker 1: You know. He likes to just go chill and enjoy

731
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 1: the wilderness or whatever. You know, that's that's his deal.

732
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 1: All right, let me get it. I'll get you out

733
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 1: of here on this one. Ryan. When you look at Gonzaga,

734
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 1: let's say they beat U C l A. Let's say

735
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 1: they beat Baylor or Houston. We're talking about the first

736
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 1: undefeated college basketball team since do they get vaulted above

737
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 1: every other champion since then Villanova, Duke, U n c Um,

738
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:34,879
Speaker 1: it was an Indiana team in there. Like I mean,

739
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:36,479
Speaker 1: I got to mention the U n l V team,

740
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 1: which I thought in my time was unbelievably unstoppable. Being

741
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 1: undefeated here, this has got to give Gonzaga top billing. Right. Unfortunately, no, uh,

742
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 1: for two reasons. Um, they're out of conference. Schedule was excellent,

743
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 1: but we didn't get to see that Taylor Gonzaga matchup

744
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 1: that we so you know, so much wanted and that

745
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 1: we might get the title game potentially. But that was

746
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 1: very impressive. You want to know why, because they're in conference.

747
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 1: Isn't this tough? So you're gonna look at their conference schedule.

748
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 1: You're gonna say, yeah, they won the championship. And then

749
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 1: we're also gonna understande basketball is watered down. You know,

750
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 1: we talked about a Mark Bailey hold on, they beat Kansas,

751
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 1: they beat Auburn, we didn't make the tournament West Virginia, Iowa, Virginia.

752
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 1: It's not like they were playing where those teams driven.

753
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 1: Help me, help me, let me know where those teams

754
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 1: are right now, to come on there, one of those

755
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 1: three other things left. One of those teams even make

756
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 1: a Sweet six team? What was Kansas second round? Yeah? Yeah,

757
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 1: those are all bad teams. Okay, no, none of the

758
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 1: actually those are all bad teams. But okay, And like

759
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,280
Speaker 1: I said, to my point, college basketball is water down.

760
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 1: These kids understand where their money's at, and that's gonna

761
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 1: be what her skins hagging. And we spoke about it

762
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 1: off their Mark Bailey is a kid who could either

763
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 1: go to you still a potentially go play for the

764
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 1: G League, select and go make some money, you know,

765
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 1: or go overseas. So because college basketball is watered down,

766
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 1: you're not gonna give the same respect to Gonzaga's undefeated season.

767
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 1: But listen, man, they win it. I could not be

768
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:16,800
Speaker 1: happier for Mark few he is one of the great

769
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 1: coaches in college basketball. Is the one check on his

770
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,879
Speaker 1: resume that he wants to get to. And you ain't

771
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:25,399
Speaker 1: gonna have Sugs and kiss Bird and Timmy and those

772
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 1: boys next year. He's gonna have to reload again. So

773
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 1: but let me push back even more. Listen, if it's

774
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 1: not my Bruins, I hope Mark you can get it right.

775
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 1: But if you look at that UNLV team that was

776
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 1: thirty four and one and lost the Duke in the

777
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:40,320
Speaker 1: final in the final four, so they ran the table

778
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 1: in the Big West. Okay, that conference was a joke

779
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:45,319
Speaker 1: back then, but we look at them because they had

780
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:48,799
Speaker 1: Larry Johnson and Stacy Dogman and Hunt and all these

781
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 1: pros as unbelievable, Like the Big West was nothing special.

782
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 1: You know, it's impossible to go undefeated in the great Conference?

783
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 1: Is the a c C Big You talk about Water

784
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 1: College done? Now go the Bruins, though it's not. Go

785
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 1: ask John Wooden, go talk to Karema. Yeah, but if

786
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:08,720
Speaker 1: fifty years ago, sure, when Indiana did it and Wooden

787
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:12,800
Speaker 1: did it, you think college Kareem Kareem and Bill Walton

788
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:15,839
Speaker 1: could have got busy in two thousand and twenty one. Now,

789
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 1: So don't don't just come like you really don't. Don't

790
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:23,280
Speaker 1: tell me you're one of these guys who think college

791
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 1: basketball was better in nineteen seventy two than it is now. No,

792
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 1: that's not my point. My point is that Kareem in

793
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:33,280
Speaker 1: Walton and those boys would have got busy in this era.

794
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 1: So don't make it sound like those are some rudy

795
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 1: poo teams. Now, those little great teams undefeated, they would

796
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 1: have went. Kareem would have, marked my words, Kareem Abdul

797
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 1: Jabbar would have went undefeated in one and nineteen ninety,

798
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 1: in nineteen nine Playboy. So what I'm saying, how could

799
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:57,279
Speaker 1: we never do this with that the NFL? Ever, we

800
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 1: don't ever say, oh, man, those guys in the nineteen seventies,

801
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 1: they're better than Brady and all the great athletes. Now

802
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 1: what we do this with basketball, We hang on to

803
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 1: guys from their past eras and say, oh, they would

804
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 1: just utterly be utterly dominant. Now, you don't think if

805
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 1: we transplant Steph Koree into the nineteen seventies, he's putting

806
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 1: up forty five game and they come on like people

807
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 1: do well. Now, but are we talking we could do

808
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 1: pro work either one. I don't even know. If that

809
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:27,919
Speaker 1: you you know, the team would have run the table

810
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 1: right now. Pro is a whole different story. Who we

811
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 1: see People understand Kaarreem was so ahead of his time

812
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 1: because everyone looks in and they talk about and I'm

813
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 1: talking specific to Lou house Stender. Now I can't speak

814
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:43,240
Speaker 1: for you know what Jerry West would do against Dame Lillard.

815
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,760
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, I'm not gonna be that

816
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,760
Speaker 1: that crazy, or what what Bill Russell would do against

817
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:50,840
Speaker 1: the prime Beyandre Jordan. You know what I'm saying. Like,

818
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:57,439
Speaker 1: but there weren't DeAndre Jordan's on the other side, all right, Um, no, No,

819
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:00,479
Speaker 1: in all seriousness, Kaem was ahead of his time because

820
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 1: of martial arts. What do we have now? What do

821
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 1: you have now as different than those guys performance training? Oh,

822
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 1: they scratch, they do yoga, they do pilates that you

823
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 1: can do all this stuff. Karin was dueing karate and

824
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:16,359
Speaker 1: getting the performance training off the court where he was

825
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:19,359
Speaker 1: so ahead of his teammates, which which made so that

826
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 1: Kareem could play, you know, a hundred years in the

827
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:25,879
Speaker 1: NBA and went undefeating the college show. Karin was out

828
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 1: of this world. Brother, That's why he's drop in the era.

829
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 1: So that's why I talked about the U c l

830
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:35,280
Speaker 1: A team like, no, I found like they're undefeated Street

831
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 1: stands well, yeah, just so, just so you know U

832
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 1: c l A nineteen thirty and oh they had Bill

833
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:46,320
Speaker 1: Walton Henry Bibby Jamal Wilkes. A Stack team also only

834
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:49,760
Speaker 1: had to win four games to win the Natty. Uh.

835
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:51,839
Speaker 1: I guess it was a smaller tournament back then. So yeah,

836
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:54,319
Speaker 1: comparing errors is different. I just I don't. I don't.

837
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:56,800
Speaker 1: I think people aren't giving the Gonzaga the respect they deserve.

838
00:43:57,120 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 1: You go undefeated in the modern era. Kentucky tried, they

839
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 1: were closed, Wichita State was close, none ofday St. Joe's

840
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 1: was close. It is virtually impossible. What Gonzaga has done

841
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:09,799
Speaker 1: for me vaults them into an altar, the all time

842
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 1: great conversation. And I say, you've got to put them

843
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Speaker 1: above any team since Indiana went undefeated in seventy I

844
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Speaker 1: just can't do that. And and and you think about

845
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 1: it too. Think about this. I'm gonna give you a fool.

846
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:26,919
Speaker 1: A time we lost in the National Championship, right, we

847
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 1: had I want to say, six or seven pros on

848
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 1: our team at OH six that got blasted by Florida.

849
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:36,719
Speaker 1: Florida had eight pros, give or take on their team.

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00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:40,280
Speaker 1: You don't see the same pro athletes per team. College

851
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 1: basketball's water down. And that's not mark fuse fault. And

852
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 1: maybe if college basketball wasn't Martyrdale Mark, you would have

853
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 1: eight pros on his team. But the fact that the

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00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 1: matter is the competitive level is not the same. And

855
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 1: when you look back and you think about even us

856
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:59,720
Speaker 1: losing to Florida, you can say, Dame Joe Can played

857
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Speaker 1: team years in the in the dance Horford play thirteen

858
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Speaker 1: or so. You know, you can start to add up

859
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 1: the thing Coy Brewers stuck around. You can start to

860
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 1: add up these guys and see their careers and later

861
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Speaker 1: on we're gonna see you know, potentially, let's say potentially

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Speaker 1: I got u CL but if Gonzaga, you know, beats

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Speaker 1: us and they went and like, well Baylor had one

864
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Speaker 1: and a half ros. Those guys did like like this

865
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 1: was gonna be tough, you know what I'm saying. And

866
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 1: that's how you go back and gauge the same way.

867
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Speaker 1: Remember you c l a like dang lou Well, Sender

868
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 1: Walt and all those boys on the same team because

869
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 1: you saw what they did on the pro level. And

870
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 1: I think unfortunately, with the rise of overseas play in

871
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 1: international play and these g leagues select kids, you're gonna

872
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:44,320
Speaker 1: not gonna look back on Gonzaga the same way. M interesting.

873
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 1: I hadn't considered that. Um, I guess I I take

874
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 1: a little bit of into account. But if you're just

875
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 1: looking at who's got the most pros, I I don't

876
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:59,839
Speaker 1: know that that's my yeah, because here's here's the deal.

877
00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 1: I'll give you this. Well, let me ask you this.

878
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 1: How much of the difference is one player to a

879
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 1: basketball team? I guess it depends are you're talking to

880
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 1: point guards, you know, leading scorer. What are we talking about?

881
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:15,760
Speaker 1: Either way? So either way, so I'll give you for instance,

882
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 1: if we dropped LaMelo Ball last year on u c

883
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 1: l A S team, it's a it's a championship level

884
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 1: Lead eight probably too. Probably with that talent we well

885
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 1: we didn't have it, but potentially that team would have

886
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 1: been a Lead eight, high profile team, right LaMelo Ball plays,

887
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:36,919
Speaker 1: He went on, So, so imagine Greg Olden, greg Olden

888
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 1: probably would have been playing G League select. Did you say,

889
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:41,799
Speaker 1: Greg Olden off that? Ohiouse steaks seam that was really

890
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 1: darned good ends up being the number one pickle like, so,

891
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 1: one player on one guy completely changes the whole outcome

892
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 1: of the season. Lebron James dropped onto the Lakers from

893
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 1: the outhouse to the Parenthouse. Anthony Davis too, by the

894
00:46:55,760 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 1: add but one guy in coming basketball, yeah, day Davis

895
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 1: want won the chip with Kentucky and they I think

896
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 1: they only lost one game, maybe two, two games, But

897
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 1: you're right, yeah, one guy Lebron playing college, what do

898
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 1: they do? I mean, yeah, they're probably winning the title.

899
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:14,360
Speaker 1: Kobe Bryant goes to college, they're probably winning the title,

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00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:18,800
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah. Yeah. So so I say that to

901
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:22,240
Speaker 1: say no disrespect to Gonzaga and what they've done, because

902
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 1: it's so mentally tough. I don't care who you're playing.

903
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:27,360
Speaker 1: At some point, you don't have an off night, and

904
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 1: can you went on your off night? Kazaga's one on

905
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:32,279
Speaker 1: their off night. If they go undefeated, you're gonna have

906
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 1: to get them respect. But it's just not gonna be

907
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 1: the same when we speak of the other great college

908
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:40,800
Speaker 1: teams before what mark you is done, it's gonna cap

909
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 1: off one of the greatest memories of it. And and

910
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:46,720
Speaker 1: we're I'm gonna call them they're the greatest mid major

911
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:51,760
Speaker 1: team ever. And you know, you challenge them up. They're major?

912
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 1: Are they not? Don't even have a football program there,

913
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 1: they're mid major there? How you qualify and we don't

914
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Speaker 1: have a football program, and you can't be a major

915
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:04,399
Speaker 1: just mean, has never one a page. They got high

916
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:07,280
Speaker 1: major talent and recruits, but it's a mid major program.

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00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 1: And the nice thing they can say it's like, yo,

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Speaker 1: we don't miss the tournament. I'm coming, Jaylenus Like, yeah,

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00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:16,359
Speaker 1: I'm coming. Huh. All right, I could be the same

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00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 1: Jaylen Sus that duke you say like Carolina. But let

921
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:21,840
Speaker 1: me go and do it again because I feel like

922
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 1: Mark Fields gonna make me your pros. I'm gonna learn there.

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Speaker 1: Interesting all right. He's Ryan Hollands, CBS Sports. Um, well,

924
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 1: we've done some TV together, nothing recently. We haven't done

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00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:34,360
Speaker 1: any radio read I guess you're an all CBS guy now, huh.

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00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 1: I know that that's that's just you guys not giving

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00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 1: me a call. I'm completely yeah, yeah, listen. I they

928
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 1: just called me about doing some of some Fox Sports

929
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 1: radio fill ins for Dan Patrick coming up. So uh,

930
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put in your name so we can chop

931
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:50,319
Speaker 1: it up and I can, you know, do a call.

932
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 1: I hope Donald you get dot a call. He knows

933
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 1: where to find me. I need to give you the business,

934
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:56,279
Speaker 1: all right, Ryan, take it easy man, enjoy the game.

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Speaker 1: Saturday night,