WEBVTT - #702 Packers Unscripted: Draft week is here 0:00:07.280 --> 0:00:10.760 Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from 0:00:10.840 --> 0:00:13.840 Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford. He is my 0:00:13.920 --> 0:00:16.800 partner in crime, Weston Hodkowitz. We're coming to you here 0:00:17.200 --> 0:00:21.599 from disparate locations at lambeau Field and it is Draft Week. 0:00:21.640 --> 0:00:25.040 Welcome to Draft Week. Wes. Are you ready for this 0:00:25.200 --> 0:00:27.480 upcoming three day extravaganza. 0:00:27.800 --> 0:00:30.280 Yeah, it's exciting time, Mike. I'm excited to get back 0:00:30.320 --> 0:00:32.640 at it. You know, when you look at the NFL Draft, 0:00:32.760 --> 0:00:37.240 this is the time of the year. It's all this consternation, 0:00:37.400 --> 0:00:40.520 all this talk, all this discussion. Well, over these three 0:00:40.560 --> 0:00:43.720 days Thursday through Saturday, we'll finally get some answers, two 0:00:43.800 --> 0:00:46.239 hundred and fifty six picks whatever gets made. And as 0:00:46.240 --> 0:00:48.640 we learned last year, there are no mystery relevance in 0:00:48.680 --> 0:00:52.519 this thing and the agreement Packers as things stand right 0:00:52.560 --> 0:00:56.160 now have ten picks. So an exciting time once again 0:00:56.480 --> 0:00:58.880 to see what all this hustle and bustle and discussion 0:00:58.920 --> 0:00:59.680 really can amount to. 0:01:00.520 --> 0:01:03.520 All Right, well, you and I don't normally get into 0:01:03.560 --> 0:01:07.319 the prediction business, but that's about all we have left 0:01:07.360 --> 0:01:10.039 to do in terms of previewing this draft is to 0:01:10.120 --> 0:01:13.920 just throw out a few predictions, so to speak, that 0:01:14.520 --> 0:01:16.880 we might have. The first one I want to ask 0:01:16.959 --> 0:01:23.520 you about is when, if will this Aaron Rodgers trade 0:01:23.560 --> 0:01:26.119 go down. Do you think it happens before the draft? 0:01:26.120 --> 0:01:28.920 Do you think it happens during the first round. Do 0:01:28.959 --> 0:01:31.600 you think it happens during the second round. What's your 0:01:31.720 --> 0:01:34.280 gut tell you right now? As far as the timing 0:01:34.880 --> 0:01:38.360 of this pending Aaron Rodgers trade to the New York Jets. 0:01:38.160 --> 0:01:41.080 Well, again, just being someone that's seeking closure on this 0:01:41.120 --> 0:01:42.840 whole thing, I'm going to try to steer on the 0:01:42.880 --> 0:01:45.160 side of optimism here and say that it does get 0:01:45.200 --> 0:01:48.000 done before and obviously there were some reports out over 0:01:48.040 --> 0:01:50.279 the weekend that the talks between the Packers and Jets 0:01:50.280 --> 0:01:53.600 have kind of ramped up again. And frankly, as I've 0:01:53.600 --> 0:01:56.480 said before and was one of my sign offs last week, 0:01:56.960 --> 0:02:00.000 you know, you're so appreciative of everything that Aaron Rodgers 0:02:00.080 --> 0:02:02.960 did here. But obviously, you know it was a month 0:02:02.960 --> 0:02:06.240 ago now that I was in Arizona and Brian Goodcomes 0:02:06.280 --> 0:02:08.760 mentioned you know they're working to facilitate this trade. So 0:02:08.840 --> 0:02:11.400 it's all been building up towards this, and no matter 0:02:11.440 --> 0:02:14.639 what you and I write Mike, I feel like it's 0:02:14.720 --> 0:02:17.639 always coming back to, well, what is happening with the 0:02:17.720 --> 0:02:21.280 quarterback situation? When is the trade gonna happen, and if 0:02:21.320 --> 0:02:23.480 it does, what does that mean now for the Packers 0:02:23.520 --> 0:02:26.880 moving forward? And I just kind of wanted some answers. 0:02:26.880 --> 0:02:30.200 So I'm hoping it's before Round one. It'd be interesting 0:02:30.240 --> 0:02:32.400 if it's on Friday. I just feel like that's such 0:02:32.400 --> 0:02:35.720 a weird timing in terms of, Yeah, you know, both 0:02:35.760 --> 0:02:38.320 the Jets and the Packers at that point, as weird 0:02:38.360 --> 0:02:39.960 as the sounds, when you're dealing with the four time 0:02:40.040 --> 0:02:43.080 MVP quarterback, they have more pressing matters at the moment 0:02:43.080 --> 0:02:44.960 in terms of trying to shuffle out what the rest 0:02:44.960 --> 0:02:47.440 of their roster is going to look like. But you know, 0:02:47.480 --> 0:02:49.800 we've learned time and time again there's no deadlines on 0:02:49.840 --> 0:02:52.080 these things. And if you go back to twenty thirteen, 0:02:52.160 --> 0:02:55.120 ten years ago, Michael, the Green Bay Packers work their 0:02:55.760 --> 0:02:59.120 actually be their second extension with Aaron Rodgers just before 0:02:59.240 --> 0:03:01.960 Round one. Would be curious to see what would happen 0:03:02.000 --> 0:03:04.800 potentially ten years later if the Packers could end up 0:03:04.800 --> 0:03:07.240 finally finalizing that trade for him to New York. 0:03:07.639 --> 0:03:11.399 Yeah, I've been trying to figure out if this happening 0:03:11.480 --> 0:03:15.280 on Friday night as the second round gets underway makes 0:03:15.280 --> 0:03:17.520 some sort of sense. And I've gone back and forth 0:03:17.560 --> 0:03:21.359 on it because we heard Brian Gudukunst at the league 0:03:21.360 --> 0:03:25.959 meetings in Phoenix say that the Jets' first round pick 0:03:26.040 --> 0:03:28.960 number thirteen overall in this draft is not necessarily a 0:03:29.000 --> 0:03:32.000 requirement from the Packers' point of view to get this 0:03:32.080 --> 0:03:34.320 deal done. So you go, okay, Well, the Jets have 0:03:34.400 --> 0:03:36.920 two picks in the middle of the second round, right 0:03:36.920 --> 0:03:40.120 near where the Packers' second round pick is as well, 0:03:40.160 --> 0:03:43.400 so you're thinking, well, then maybe it won't happen until Friday. 0:03:43.480 --> 0:03:47.040 But if you're Brian Gudukunst and you're potentially going to 0:03:47.080 --> 0:03:50.520 get a second round pick or or an asset like that, 0:03:51.080 --> 0:03:54.720 wouldn't you want to have that on Thursday night in 0:03:54.800 --> 0:03:57.200 case you want to move up or move around in 0:03:57.240 --> 0:03:59.840 the first round. If you wait until Friday to make 0:03:59.880 --> 0:04:03.000 the deal for a second round pick, than any maneuverability 0:04:03.000 --> 0:04:04.920 as far as the first round on Thursday night is 0:04:05.000 --> 0:04:10.440 kind of out the windows. So I think my best guess, again, 0:04:10.640 --> 0:04:13.720 this is a guess, but I think this trade gets 0:04:13.760 --> 0:04:18.160 done either, right, before the draft starts on Thursday, or 0:04:18.200 --> 0:04:22.200 maybe just within the first few picks to where suddenly 0:04:22.279 --> 0:04:24.200 you know there's gonna be a round pick three or 0:04:24.200 --> 0:04:27.200 pick four, there's gonna be some you know, breaking news 0:04:27.240 --> 0:04:29.599 that the trade has been finalized, it's been turned into 0:04:29.640 --> 0:04:32.800 the league. I just think the Packer, even if Brian 0:04:32.839 --> 0:04:35.200 Gudacunz is not going to move around a bunch in 0:04:35.240 --> 0:04:38.040 the first round, I still think if he's getting a 0:04:38.080 --> 0:04:40.440 second round pick as part of this deal, he's gonna 0:04:40.440 --> 0:04:44.599 want at least the option, at least the availability to 0:04:44.680 --> 0:04:47.080 do that. So that's just my gut feeling on this, 0:04:47.240 --> 0:04:50.920 but we'll have to see. It was interesting, though, I 0:04:50.960 --> 0:04:54.039 thought to hear Gutakuns to go on the record to 0:04:54.120 --> 0:04:57.279 say that the Jets first round pick number thirteen overall 0:04:57.720 --> 0:05:01.279 is not some sort of prerequisite or requirement for the 0:05:01.320 --> 0:05:04.039 Packers to make this deal for Aaron Rodgers. That sort 0:05:04.080 --> 0:05:05.640 of caught my ear when he said that at the 0:05:05.720 --> 0:05:06.560 end of March. 0:05:06.800 --> 0:05:09.480 Mike, have you ever sold a snowblower before? 0:05:10.440 --> 0:05:12.800 No, I've only bought snowblowers, I've never sold them. 0:05:13.240 --> 0:05:16.680 Have you ever sold a lawnmar No? Have you ever 0:05:16.720 --> 0:05:20.320 sold a car? Yes? Okay, So let me ask you this. 0:05:20.360 --> 0:05:23.039 When you got the compensation for the car, that goes 0:05:23.080 --> 0:05:25.080 into your bank account, right, it goes into your wallet. 0:05:25.400 --> 0:05:28.120 You can go spend it for other things. Have you 0:05:28.160 --> 0:05:31.719 ever tried to walk into let's say Meyer for example, 0:05:31.720 --> 0:05:35.080 and tried to buy something with a car. Probably doesn't work, right, 0:05:35.120 --> 0:05:37.880 you need the monetary value. Yeah, that's where I fall 0:05:37.920 --> 0:05:41.000 on this Rogers thing, because it's like, you're right, man, 0:05:41.080 --> 0:05:45.480 they could wait until Friday, work a deal, see what happens. 0:05:45.800 --> 0:05:50.800 But at the same time, there's so much spendable cash. 0:05:50.839 --> 0:05:53.640 If you have let's just say it'd be two second rounders, Well, 0:05:53.680 --> 0:05:55.880 if you have the two second rounders on Thursday, you 0:05:55.880 --> 0:05:58.559 could still move around, you know, with the fifteenth pick. 0:05:58.920 --> 0:06:01.720 That's why I to go back to you know, if 0:06:01.760 --> 0:06:04.880 you can get this thing done before the first round begins. Now, 0:06:05.040 --> 0:06:07.599 if you can't, you can't. But the assets and the 0:06:07.680 --> 0:06:11.160 liquidity is so much greater. I feel the earlier that 0:06:11.200 --> 0:06:13.680 this thing gets done. Yeah, and at the end of 0:06:13.720 --> 0:06:16.560 the day, like I've said before, the Green Bay Packers 0:06:16.560 --> 0:06:19.320 feel really good about Jordan Love. The Jets obviously have 0:06:19.400 --> 0:06:21.679 really hitched their wag into the idea of Aaron Rodgers 0:06:21.720 --> 0:06:24.240 being the quarterback. Now you and I will be sitting 0:06:24.279 --> 0:06:26.120 around drinking our coffee waiting for the rest of the 0:06:26.200 --> 0:06:26.800 chips to fall. 0:06:27.160 --> 0:06:32.039 Yeah. Well, outside of the potential Aaron Rodgers trade, the 0:06:32.080 --> 0:06:35.560 Packers are sitting at number fifteen in the first round, 0:06:35.600 --> 0:06:38.760 They're sitting at number forty five in the second round. 0:06:39.560 --> 0:06:42.880 We've seen We've seen Brian Gudakunz move up in the 0:06:42.880 --> 0:06:46.640 first round where you drafted Darnell Savage, he drafted Jordan 0:06:46.720 --> 0:06:48.720 Love with trades up in the first round. We've seen 0:06:48.800 --> 0:06:51.000 him move back in the first round. We've seen him 0:06:51.040 --> 0:06:53.040 move back and up in the same first round the 0:06:53.120 --> 0:06:58.080 year he got JayR Alexander. So what's your gut feeling 0:06:58.120 --> 0:07:00.599 here with the Packers sitting at number five fifteen do 0:07:00.680 --> 0:07:02.919 you think do you think it's a trade up, do 0:07:03.000 --> 0:07:04.960 you think it's a trade back? Do you think it's 0:07:05.000 --> 0:07:08.640 a sit and pick situation? Obviously it all depends on 0:07:09.160 --> 0:07:12.120 who you know, who goes in those first ten or twelve, 0:07:12.200 --> 0:07:16.400 you know, as things unfold. But what's your gut say 0:07:16.440 --> 0:07:19.320 in terms of what the Packers do with the fifteenth pick? 0:07:19.640 --> 0:07:23.240 Mike, I don't know anything, and obviously that's an evergreen statement. 0:07:23.360 --> 0:07:27.240 But this to me feels a lot like twenty eighteen, 0:07:27.480 --> 0:07:29.480 if I'm being honest with you, When the Packers were 0:07:29.480 --> 0:07:33.520 originally sitting at fourteen, they moved back, the New Orleans 0:07:33.520 --> 0:07:36.640 Saints came up to take Marcus Davenport. The Packers ultimately settled, 0:07:37.280 --> 0:07:41.120 not settled, but found jyr Alexander at eighteen after moving around. 0:07:41.600 --> 0:07:43.560 When you're picking in the middle of the pack like that, 0:07:43.640 --> 0:07:47.200 it's such an interesting spot because your assets are aligned 0:07:47.200 --> 0:07:48.760 in such a way that you could move up a 0:07:48.800 --> 0:07:51.480 few spots, or you could potentially move back a little 0:07:51.480 --> 0:07:54.200 bit too, depending, as you said, on how the board falls. 0:07:54.840 --> 0:07:56.240 I think a lot of this is going to have 0:07:56.320 --> 0:07:59.400 to do with those four quarterbacks. How early do those 0:07:59.440 --> 0:08:01.600 guys go off the board? Would imagine they all will 0:08:01.600 --> 0:08:05.760 be off the board before fifteen, But the earlier the better, uh, 0:08:05.800 --> 0:08:07.880 in terms of you know, Green Bay's standpoint and being 0:08:07.880 --> 0:08:10.320 able to maybe get a top player at tight end 0:08:10.400 --> 0:08:14.640 or defensive line, what have you. But also what is 0:08:14.680 --> 0:08:16.960 the trickle down effect of that. You're seeing reports now 0:08:17.000 --> 0:08:20.480 of the Minnesota Vikings potentially having interest in Will Levis, 0:08:20.480 --> 0:08:23.320 so could they move up? You know, how does that 0:08:23.360 --> 0:08:27.080 affect the board, fifteen is such a malleable pick in 0:08:27.160 --> 0:08:30.160 terms of where you go and where you sit. I think, 0:08:30.200 --> 0:08:32.520 out of all the scenarios, and as you outlined, Brian 0:08:32.559 --> 0:08:36.120 Gutikuntz has exercised them all in five years, but to me, 0:08:36.280 --> 0:08:39.280 I think the most unlikely is for them just to 0:08:39.320 --> 0:08:41.120 sit at fifteen. Now. Let's not to say they won't, 0:08:41.559 --> 0:08:44.320 but I just feel like the positioning of the board, 0:08:44.720 --> 0:08:46.920 the depth of this first round, and also the fact 0:08:46.960 --> 0:08:49.720 that packers do have those ten picks right now really 0:08:49.760 --> 0:08:52.480 creates a lot of intrigue there for what potentially Green 0:08:52.480 --> 0:08:54.080 Bay could do. I yeah. 0:08:54.160 --> 0:08:57.520 And in addition to the quarterbacks, because the quarterbacks always, 0:08:57.679 --> 0:09:00.520 you know, dictate how the first round goes from from 0:09:00.559 --> 0:09:03.640 a league wide perspective. The other thing I think that's 0:09:03.840 --> 0:09:07.080 that's going to have a big impact here are those 0:09:07.120 --> 0:09:12.079 top four offensive tackles. When you're talking about Scarronsky Jones, 0:09:12.480 --> 0:09:15.319 Paris Johnson Junior, and Darnell Right, those guys are pretty 0:09:15.400 --> 0:09:18.000 much considered, you know, the the elite, the top four 0:09:18.040 --> 0:09:23.559 offensive tackles in this draft. And once you know the 0:09:23.600 --> 0:09:25.960 first one or two of those guys goes and then 0:09:25.960 --> 0:09:28.160 there's only say two of them left on the board. 0:09:28.679 --> 0:09:31.720 The teams that are really really in need of fixing, 0:09:31.880 --> 0:09:34.080 you know, either a left tackle or a right tackle 0:09:34.120 --> 0:09:36.360 spot and want to get one of these top guys 0:09:36.400 --> 0:09:39.000 in the first round and not wait around and take 0:09:39.040 --> 0:09:43.040 their chances on a you know, a lesser evaluated player. 0:09:43.520 --> 0:09:45.760 I think that's where we could start to see some movement. 0:09:45.800 --> 0:09:48.839 So the quarterbacks are going to have their say in 0:09:50.120 --> 0:09:51.920 the movement and how things go. But I think the 0:09:51.960 --> 0:09:54.880 offensive tackles are going to play a part in that too, 0:09:55.000 --> 0:09:57.800 just because there seems to be such a you know, 0:09:57.880 --> 0:10:00.920 such a solid grouping of these are the top and 0:10:00.960 --> 0:10:05.040 then there's sort of everybody else at those offensive tackle spots. 0:10:05.080 --> 0:10:07.240 Well. And then, honestly, Mike think about it, because you're 0:10:07.240 --> 0:10:09.319 always gonna you know, Will Anderson is gonna come off 0:10:09.320 --> 0:10:11.920 the board. Obviously, Jalen Carter has a couple more questions 0:10:11.920 --> 0:10:15.320 now where he could potentially fall. It's always doing simple 0:10:15.400 --> 0:10:17.760 math and just figuring out, Okay, there's there's certain guys 0:10:17.760 --> 0:10:19.960 that could be there, and there's certain guys who undoubtedly 0:10:20.040 --> 0:10:22.880 will not be And if you run those numbers, it 0:10:22.920 --> 0:10:25.160 really does put you in a situation if you're Brian 0:10:25.200 --> 0:10:28.000 and if you're the packer's personnel department, where I mean, 0:10:28.040 --> 0:10:29.880 there's gonna be six seven guys who are going to 0:10:29.920 --> 0:10:32.480 potentially be there for you. Who do you like the 0:10:32.520 --> 0:10:34.640 most out of that grouping? And then, by the way, 0:10:34.640 --> 0:10:36.560 if they're all there, then that's probably where it gives 0:10:36.600 --> 0:10:39.040 you the flexibility to move back. It's the game that 0:10:39.120 --> 0:10:41.240 must be played. But I'll the last thing I'll leave 0:10:41.280 --> 0:10:44.880 you with on this topic is I was sitting earlier this, 0:10:45.040 --> 0:10:48.200 you know, on Sunday morning, and I was thinking about, Okay, 0:10:48.240 --> 0:10:51.160 the draft week is finally here, right, and about how 0:10:51.280 --> 0:10:54.560 Brian gudikin somewhere in Green Bay, Wisconsin is sitting around 0:10:54.600 --> 0:10:57.320 probably with his family or you know, doing what have you. 0:10:57.920 --> 0:11:00.560 And I'm like, the decisions he's gonna make the ten 0:11:00.679 --> 0:11:03.839 cards or more or less that he turns in, the 0:11:04.280 --> 0:11:06.200 trickle down effect that that's going to have on so 0:11:06.280 --> 0:11:09.120 many young men's lives around the country. At this very time, 0:11:09.840 --> 0:11:11.480 I was watching the video that I don't even know 0:11:11.520 --> 0:11:12.920 if it's up at the time and this is posting, 0:11:12.960 --> 0:11:15.200 but the interview that Larry mccaerron did with Kay Walker 0:11:15.240 --> 0:11:17.600 and seeing that video again of Clay in his living 0:11:17.679 --> 0:11:20.080 room with all of his family surrounding him. It is 0:11:20.120 --> 0:11:23.440 a life changing moment that is going to not only 0:11:23.480 --> 0:11:27.920 affect this franchise's history, but also these individuals. So it's 0:11:27.960 --> 0:11:33.920 the exciting prospect of finding a real talent, somebody that, 0:11:34.000 --> 0:11:36.199 regardless of the position, is going to be a playmaker 0:11:36.200 --> 0:11:39.680 in Green Bay for ten twelve years, and ultimately that 0:11:39.760 --> 0:11:41.800 decision lies in the hands of Brian Goudekunst. 0:11:42.320 --> 0:11:44.960 Yeah, well you said it. In terms of with the 0:11:45.000 --> 0:11:48.840 Packers being at fifteen, it feels like there are going 0:11:48.920 --> 0:11:51.920 to be a handful of players that I think the 0:11:51.960 --> 0:11:54.120 Packers are going to like that They're going to have 0:11:54.320 --> 0:11:57.960 strong evaluations on, have very strong feelings about, and they're 0:11:57.960 --> 0:12:01.280 going to have their pick of of what direction they 0:12:01.320 --> 0:12:03.560 want to go. We talked about this a little bit 0:12:03.600 --> 0:12:05.320 on our last show, but I want to follow up 0:12:05.360 --> 0:12:09.800 with it again. What position do you think, you know, 0:12:09.920 --> 0:12:12.520 in that scenario, say there's four or five guys at 0:12:12.520 --> 0:12:15.480 some different spots, the Packers all have them, you know, 0:12:15.600 --> 0:12:19.400 graded relatively equally, and you know which is a nice 0:12:19.400 --> 0:12:22.400 spot to be in. Which position do you think they 0:12:22.440 --> 0:12:22.760 go with? 0:12:23.200 --> 0:12:25.400 Yeah, And out of any years in which I've covered 0:12:25.400 --> 0:12:27.560 the draft, this is actually number fourteen. For me already 0:12:27.640 --> 0:12:29.080 going back to when I was just helping out at 0:12:29.080 --> 0:12:31.800 the pres Cosette in twenty ten, this is the year 0:12:31.840 --> 0:12:34.480 I think, I'm It reminds me the most of twenty fourteen, 0:12:34.640 --> 0:12:37.280 where I was like, Hey Ryan Cheese or CJ. Moseley, haha, 0:12:37.320 --> 0:12:39.439 Clinton Dix. There's so many different ways green Bay could go, 0:12:39.520 --> 0:12:42.440 and I think all those decisions could help them. But 0:12:43.160 --> 0:12:45.400 if I was to do a mock draft right now, 0:12:45.880 --> 0:12:48.200 I think it comes back to Lucas van Es. For me, 0:12:48.640 --> 0:12:51.080 the more I thought about it, the more that he 0:12:51.200 --> 0:12:53.640 makes sense, and in a lot of ways he kind 0:12:53.640 --> 0:12:56.079 of reminds me of Clay Matthews. He's much bigger than Clay, 0:12:56.160 --> 0:12:58.560 you know, about twenty pounds heavier. But this is one 0:12:58.600 --> 0:13:01.000 of those type of guys that you didn't really get 0:13:01.000 --> 0:13:04.400 the full feeling of his potential at Iowa. He wasn't 0:13:04.440 --> 0:13:08.240 a starter every year, but he would fit the prototype 0:13:08.240 --> 0:13:09.920 for them, And I think, as you've talked about a 0:13:10.000 --> 0:13:12.199 couple times, I mean, there's a couple of these guys 0:13:12.240 --> 0:13:15.520 in that six five two seventy range, almost that Preston 0:13:15.559 --> 0:13:19.000 Smith type range, where I don't think you could go wrong, 0:13:19.080 --> 0:13:21.400 and for a guy like VanNess. If he comes in 0:13:21.480 --> 0:13:23.480 and needs to be a rotational guy right away like 0:13:23.520 --> 0:13:25.959 he kind of was at times at Iowa, well he's 0:13:26.000 --> 0:13:28.160 still going to have the flexibility to do that. So 0:13:28.840 --> 0:13:31.520 as deep as this draft is at a number of positions, 0:13:31.920 --> 0:13:33.800 I want to sort of test that depth a little 0:13:33.800 --> 0:13:35.560 bit at tight end. I want to test that depth 0:13:35.559 --> 0:13:38.360 at offensive line or receiver and go out and get 0:13:38.400 --> 0:13:40.320 what is probably going to be the best available pass 0:13:40.400 --> 0:13:42.840 rusher at fifteen. So the answer to your question is 0:13:42.920 --> 0:13:45.280 edge rusher. And to be more specific, I think Lucas 0:13:45.400 --> 0:13:47.520 VanNess is the guy that could potentially be that fit. 0:13:48.080 --> 0:13:50.880 Yeah, I'm with you. I think, you know, all else 0:13:50.920 --> 0:13:53.800 being equal in the scenario that the very sort of 0:13:53.840 --> 0:13:58.120 basic boring scenario I laid out, I'm inclined. I'm inclined 0:13:58.120 --> 0:14:00.000 to think the Packers are going to go edge rusher. 0:14:00.120 --> 0:14:02.520 I do think Lucas van Ness would be would be 0:14:02.559 --> 0:14:04.600 a guy very high on their board. The other one 0:14:05.000 --> 0:14:06.960 that I talked about on our last show with that 0:14:07.040 --> 0:14:10.480 Preston Smith build Miles Murphy from from Clemson, I think 0:14:10.520 --> 0:14:13.400 could potentially fit there too. Some people might say fifteen 0:14:13.520 --> 0:14:15.960 is a little bit high for Murphy, but at the 0:14:16.000 --> 0:14:20.760 same time, there aren't. You know, there there are the 0:14:20.760 --> 0:14:22.840 there are the edge rushers who are in that you know, 0:14:22.960 --> 0:14:25.160 two forty two fifty range, and then there are the 0:14:25.280 --> 0:14:27.880 edge rushers that are in the two sixty five to 0:14:27.920 --> 0:14:30.280 two seventy five range. And there's a big difference there 0:14:30.280 --> 0:14:32.960 because you know, you talk about a guy like Van 0:14:33.040 --> 0:14:36.560 Ness and you see this on the tape at Iowa 0:14:36.600 --> 0:14:40.280 where he would move inside and become an interior rusher 0:14:40.320 --> 0:14:43.400 in certain sub packages, certain third downs and things like that. 0:14:43.480 --> 0:14:46.680 And we've seen, you know, with with the Smiths, with 0:14:46.880 --> 0:14:49.280 Rashan Gary over the years here in Green Bay, that 0:14:49.320 --> 0:14:51.560 the packers like to do that. I'm sorry if you 0:14:51.640 --> 0:14:54.320 draft an edge rusher who's two hundred and forty five pounds, 0:14:54.480 --> 0:14:57.000 he's not lining up as a three technique on third 0:14:57.000 --> 0:14:59.040 and eight, you know, to give you a different look 0:14:59.040 --> 0:15:01.280 in the pass rush going to be out on the edge. 0:15:01.320 --> 0:15:04.360 You don't have that flexibility. That's where the body type 0:15:04.400 --> 0:15:06.920 thing comes into it for me in terms of in 0:15:07.000 --> 0:15:09.040 terms of looking at that, I wanted to ask you 0:15:09.080 --> 0:15:12.800 as well as far as you know, your your favorite 0:15:12.840 --> 0:15:16.160 guys so to speak, at certain positions, and when I 0:15:16.160 --> 0:15:19.040 say favorite guys, I mean guys that realistically could be 0:15:19.120 --> 0:15:21.760 available for the Packers either and say the first round 0:15:21.840 --> 0:15:24.560 or the second round, you know, Thursday night or Friday night. 0:15:24.840 --> 0:15:27.800 You mentioned Vanes at the edge. I'm totally on board 0:15:27.800 --> 0:15:32.480 with that. I also like Murphy from Clemson defensive line. 0:15:33.680 --> 0:15:36.800 With the Packers obviously moving on from Jaron Reed and 0:15:36.840 --> 0:15:40.320 Dean Lowry and looking for a big step forward from 0:15:40.400 --> 0:15:43.840 Devonte Wyatt and TJ. Slayton, is there a defensive lineman 0:15:43.920 --> 0:15:46.840 out there within you know, the first fifty picks that 0:15:46.840 --> 0:15:49.920 that you think maybe fits Green Bay can. 0:15:49.960 --> 0:15:52.400 If we're gonna do the favorite topic, can I start 0:15:52.400 --> 0:15:55.200 with something else though, I'm taking the ship from me 0:15:55.240 --> 0:15:58.200 for a second. That's okay. As soon as you said favorite, 0:15:58.360 --> 0:16:00.160 The first guy that popped in my head is no 0:16:00.360 --> 0:16:04.280 Washington and the reason why it ties in really quickly. Now, 0:16:04.280 --> 0:16:05.880 this is not a defensive lineman all though, Shoot, the 0:16:05.920 --> 0:16:08.800 kid could probably play there with a big play there. Yeah. 0:16:09.160 --> 0:16:11.280 But the big reason I just want to mention that, Michael, 0:16:11.400 --> 0:16:13.800 is when we were talking about fifteen and potentially moving 0:16:13.840 --> 0:16:16.600 back or acquiring more picks if the Packers don't want 0:16:16.600 --> 0:16:19.640 to go Kincaid at fifteen, Washington is the type of guy, 0:16:19.880 --> 0:16:21.760 probably a little bit like Murphy, where if you move 0:16:21.800 --> 0:16:23.680 to the end of the first round, or maybe even 0:16:23.720 --> 0:16:25.920 move up a little bit in the second, that could 0:16:25.920 --> 0:16:28.840 be a really good fit for them. Washington is the 0:16:28.880 --> 0:16:31.200 guy I've kind of labeled as the baby Mercedes a 0:16:31.200 --> 0:16:33.800 little bit, just because of the amount of athleticism and 0:16:33.880 --> 0:16:37.200 a huge body. And I feel like, at some point, Mike, 0:16:37.280 --> 0:16:39.000 I don't know if it's the first round, second round, 0:16:39.080 --> 0:16:41.640 or third round, those first two days before you and 0:16:41.720 --> 0:16:43.920 I are walking out of lambeau Field, the agreement packers, 0:16:43.960 --> 0:16:46.320 I feel are going to draft a tight end. I 0:16:46.440 --> 0:16:48.560 just when you look at the makeup of them, I 0:16:48.600 --> 0:16:54.000 know there's Mayher excuse me, Michael Meyer. Fantastic player, really 0:16:54.000 --> 0:16:55.600 good in line blocker. I think that's why a lot 0:16:55.600 --> 0:16:58.240 of people are high on them. Dalton Kincaid brings a 0:16:58.240 --> 0:17:01.080 lot to the party, Sam Laporta, all these different guys. 0:17:01.360 --> 0:17:03.440 But when I looked at the film, and again I'm 0:17:03.440 --> 0:17:05.000 not a scout, but when I looked at the film, 0:17:05.080 --> 0:17:08.040 Darnell Savage is the type of player. Excuse me, Darnel Savage. 0:17:08.119 --> 0:17:11.520 Darneld Savage too, but Darnel Washington is the type of 0:17:11.560 --> 0:17:13.760 player that makes me just be like, man, I wish 0:17:13.760 --> 0:17:15.600 training campus he already because I want to see this 0:17:15.680 --> 0:17:16.160 kid play. 0:17:16.560 --> 0:17:21.040 Yeah, I'm with you in the sense that I like 0:17:21.240 --> 0:17:22.880 actually a lot of these tight ends. 0:17:23.359 --> 0:17:23.879 Washington. 0:17:24.480 --> 0:17:27.439 Washington is in his own category in terms of the 0:17:27.480 --> 0:17:30.040 type of the type of player he is, the type 0:17:30.040 --> 0:17:34.240 of physical presence and everything that he is. I don't 0:17:34.280 --> 0:17:36.400 know if the Packers are going to go tight end 0:17:36.440 --> 0:17:39.320 in round one, which I think would be either Mayor 0:17:39.359 --> 0:17:43.879 from Notre Dame or Kincaid from Utah, if you go 0:17:43.960 --> 0:17:45.919 tight end in round two and you want to target 0:17:46.000 --> 0:17:49.000 a guy like Washington, or if you want to stay 0:17:49.040 --> 0:17:51.080 in the middle of the second round or maybe even 0:17:51.160 --> 0:17:53.159 move back a little bit in the second round, the 0:17:54.680 --> 0:17:58.440 Muskrave from Oregon State could potentially be a good fit 0:17:58.560 --> 0:18:00.440 at tight end two, and you're still getting one of 0:18:00.480 --> 0:18:03.480 the top four or five tight ends in this draft. 0:18:03.520 --> 0:18:07.119 So I think, I think all of those are our possibilities. 0:18:07.119 --> 0:18:10.280 But Washington, Washington is the one who just who sticks 0:18:10.320 --> 0:18:13.480 out because he's different, right, Yeah, he's a he's a 0:18:13.520 --> 0:18:16.679 different breed a cat and uh and very intriguing in 0:18:16.760 --> 0:18:19.800 terms of how this tight end, the order of the 0:18:19.840 --> 0:18:22.960 selection of the tight ends could unfold the Thursday and Friday. 0:18:23.280 --> 0:18:25.560 Thank you for humoring me. Now we can get back 0:18:25.600 --> 0:18:27.879 to the Mike Spofford Packers on scripted. That was that 0:18:27.960 --> 0:18:31.000 was playing? Okay, I was? I mean tight end, wasn't. 0:18:31.359 --> 0:18:33.200 I just got to check off, you know, I'm checking 0:18:33.240 --> 0:18:35.800 off all the moving around the different positions. So yeah, 0:18:35.800 --> 0:18:37.840 we've talked about edge, we talked about tight ends. So 0:18:37.840 --> 0:18:39.000 where do you want to go next to Wes? 0:18:39.119 --> 0:18:42.320 You pick it defensive line. Those start because because Brian Breezy, 0:18:42.600 --> 0:18:44.919 you know Clemson, this is a kid that when you 0:18:44.960 --> 0:18:48.120 look at losing a Dean Lowry type, he fits that 0:18:48.280 --> 0:18:50.840 role right six foot six, three hundred pounds, can probably 0:18:50.840 --> 0:18:52.960 put a little bit more onto that frame. He's had 0:18:53.000 --> 0:18:55.479 to weather a few things, but I think when you 0:18:55.480 --> 0:18:57.520 look at the makeup, when you're looking at guys that 0:18:57.520 --> 0:19:01.240 could potentially compliment a Kenny Clark or a DeVante Wyatt, 0:19:01.680 --> 0:19:04.040 he is the guy and reading off and doing some 0:19:04.080 --> 0:19:06.720 of these prospect primers with him. He's definitely one of 0:19:06.920 --> 0:19:09.720 the dudes that the more I read about him, the 0:19:09.760 --> 0:19:12.600 more I learned about his story, he seems like a 0:19:12.600 --> 0:19:15.400 Green Bay Packers type of player, and I'd be interested 0:19:15.400 --> 0:19:17.720 to see if that potential guy was there. Also the 0:19:17.760 --> 0:19:20.119 Northwestern kid, I'm not even going to try to pronounce 0:19:20.160 --> 0:19:23.720 his name, and that doesn't have the same type of size. 0:19:23.760 --> 0:19:25.560 But Mike, we've learned time and time again now with 0:19:25.640 --> 0:19:29.120 these defensive linemen, especially these three techniques, six foot two, 0:19:29.200 --> 0:19:31.280 two hundred and ninety eight pounds is no longer a 0:19:31.320 --> 0:19:33.119