1 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from 2 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 1: Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford. He is my 3 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:16,800 Speaker 1: partner in crime, Weston Hodkowitz. We're coming to you here 4 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:21,599 Speaker 1: from disparate locations at lambeau Field and it is Draft Week. 5 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 1: Welcome to Draft Week. Wes. Are you ready for this 6 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:27,480 Speaker 1: upcoming three day extravaganza. 7 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's exciting time, Mike. I'm excited to get back 8 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 2: at it. You know, when you look at the NFL Draft, 9 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:37,240 Speaker 2: this is the time of the year. It's all this consternation, 10 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:40,520 Speaker 2: all this talk, all this discussion. Well, over these three 11 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 2: days Thursday through Saturday, we'll finally get some answers, two 12 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:46,239 Speaker 2: hundred and fifty six picks whatever gets made. And as 13 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 2: we learned last year, there are no mystery relevance in 14 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:52,519 Speaker 2: this thing and the agreement Packers as things stand right 15 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 2: now have ten picks. So an exciting time once again 16 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 2: to see what all this hustle and bustle and discussion 17 00:00:58,920 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 2: really can amount to. 18 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 1: All Right, well, you and I don't normally get into 19 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:07,319 Speaker 1: the prediction business, but that's about all we have left 20 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:10,039 Speaker 1: to do in terms of previewing this draft is to 21 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 1: just throw out a few predictions, so to speak, that 22 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 1: we might have. The first one I want to ask 23 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 1: you about is when, if will this Aaron Rodgers trade 24 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:26,119 Speaker 1: go down. Do you think it happens before the draft? 25 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 1: Do you think it happens during the first round. Do 26 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 1: you think it happens during the second round. What's your 27 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 1: gut tell you right now? As far as the timing 28 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 1: of this pending Aaron Rodgers trade to the New York Jets. 29 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 2: Well, again, just being someone that's seeking closure on this 30 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 2: whole thing, I'm going to try to steer on the 31 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 2: side of optimism here and say that it does get 32 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 2: done before and obviously there were some reports out over 33 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:50,279 Speaker 2: the weekend that the talks between the Packers and Jets 34 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 2: have kind of ramped up again. And frankly, as I've 35 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 2: said before and was one of my sign offs last week, 36 00:01:56,960 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 2: you know, you're so appreciative of everything that Aaron Rodgers 37 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 2: did here. But obviously, you know it was a month 38 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 2: ago now that I was in Arizona and Brian Goodcomes 39 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 2: mentioned you know they're working to facilitate this trade. So 40 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 2: it's all been building up towards this, and no matter 41 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:14,639 Speaker 2: what you and I write Mike, I feel like it's 42 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:17,639 Speaker 2: always coming back to, well, what is happening with the 43 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 2: quarterback situation? When is the trade gonna happen, and if 44 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 2: it does, what does that mean now for the Packers 45 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 2: moving forward? And I just kind of wanted some answers. 46 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 2: So I'm hoping it's before Round one. It'd be interesting 47 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 2: if it's on Friday. I just feel like that's such 48 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 2: a weird timing in terms of, Yeah, you know, both 49 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 2: the Jets and the Packers at that point, as weird 50 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 2: as the sounds, when you're dealing with the four time 51 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:43,080 Speaker 2: MVP quarterback, they have more pressing matters at the moment 52 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 2: in terms of trying to shuffle out what the rest 53 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 2: of their roster is going to look like. But you know, 54 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 2: we've learned time and time again there's no deadlines on 55 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:52,080 Speaker 2: these things. And if you go back to twenty thirteen, 56 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 2: ten years ago, Michael, the Green Bay Packers work their 57 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 2: actually be their second extension with Aaron Rodgers just before 58 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 2: Round one. Would be curious to see what would happen 59 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 2: potentially ten years later if the Packers could end up 60 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:07,240 Speaker 2: finally finalizing that trade for him to New York. 61 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:11,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, I've been trying to figure out if this happening 62 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 1: on Friday night as the second round gets underway makes 63 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 1: some sort of sense. And I've gone back and forth 64 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:21,359 Speaker 1: on it because we heard Brian Gudukunst at the league 65 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:25,959 Speaker 1: meetings in Phoenix say that the Jets' first round pick 66 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:28,960 Speaker 1: number thirteen overall in this draft is not necessarily a 67 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 1: requirement from the Packers' point of view to get this 68 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 1: deal done. So you go, okay, Well, the Jets have 69 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 1: two picks in the middle of the second round, right 70 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 1: near where the Packers' second round pick is as well, 71 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 1: so you're thinking, well, then maybe it won't happen until Friday. 72 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 1: But if you're Brian Gudukunst and you're potentially going to 73 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 1: get a second round pick or or an asset like that, 74 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 1: wouldn't you want to have that on Thursday night in 75 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 1: case you want to move up or move around in 76 00:03:57,240 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 1: the first round. If you wait until Friday to make 77 00:03:59,880 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 1: the deal for a second round pick, than any maneuverability 78 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 1: as far as the first round on Thursday night is 79 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 1: kind of out the windows. So I think my best guess, again, 80 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 1: this is a guess, but I think this trade gets 81 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:18,160 Speaker 1: done either, right, before the draft starts on Thursday, or 82 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 1: maybe just within the first few picks to where suddenly 83 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 1: you know there's gonna be a round pick three or 84 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: pick four, there's gonna be some you know, breaking news 85 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:29,599 Speaker 1: that the trade has been finalized, it's been turned into 86 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 1: the league. I just think the Packer, even if Brian 87 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 1: Gudacunz is not going to move around a bunch in 88 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:38,040 Speaker 1: the first round, I still think if he's getting a 89 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 1: second round pick as part of this deal, he's gonna 90 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:44,599 Speaker 1: want at least the option, at least the availability to 91 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 1: do that. So that's just my gut feeling on this, 92 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:50,920 Speaker 1: but we'll have to see. It was interesting, though, I 93 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:54,039 Speaker 1: thought to hear Gutakuns to go on the record to 94 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:57,279 Speaker 1: say that the Jets first round pick number thirteen overall 95 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:01,279 Speaker 1: is not some sort of prerequisite or requirement for the 96 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:04,039 Speaker 1: Packers to make this deal for Aaron Rodgers. That sort 97 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 1: of caught my ear when he said that at the 98 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 1: end of March. 99 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:09,480 Speaker 2: Mike, have you ever sold a snowblower before? 100 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 1: No, I've only bought snowblowers, I've never sold them. 101 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 2: Have you ever sold a lawnmar No? Have you ever 102 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 2: sold a car? Yes? Okay, So let me ask you this. 103 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:23,039 Speaker 2: When you got the compensation for the car, that goes 104 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 2: into your bank account, right, it goes into your wallet. 105 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 2: You can go spend it for other things. Have you 106 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:31,719 Speaker 2: ever tried to walk into let's say Meyer for example, 107 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 2: and tried to buy something with a car. Probably doesn't work, right, 108 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 2: you need the monetary value. Yeah, that's where I fall 109 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 2: on this Rogers thing, because it's like, you're right, man, 110 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:45,480 Speaker 2: they could wait until Friday, work a deal, see what happens. 111 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 2: But at the same time, there's so much spendable cash. 112 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 2: If you have let's just say it'd be two second rounders, Well, 113 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 2: if you have the two second rounders on Thursday, you 114 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:58,559 Speaker 2: could still move around, you know, with the fifteenth pick. 115 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:01,720 Speaker 2: That's why I to go back to you know, if 116 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 2: you can get this thing done before the first round begins. Now, 117 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:07,599 Speaker 2: if you can't, you can't. But the assets and the 118 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:11,160 Speaker 2: liquidity is so much greater. I feel the earlier that 119 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 2: this thing gets done. Yeah, and at the end of 120 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 2: the day, like I've said before, the Green Bay Packers 121 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 2: feel really good about Jordan Love. The Jets obviously have 122 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:21,679 Speaker 2: really hitched their wag into the idea of Aaron Rodgers 123 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 2: being the quarterback. Now you and I will be sitting 124 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 2: around drinking our coffee waiting for the rest of the 125 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 2: chips to fall. 126 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:32,039 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, outside of the potential Aaron Rodgers trade, the 127 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 1: Packers are sitting at number fifteen in the first round, 128 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 1: They're sitting at number forty five in the second round. 129 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 1: We've seen We've seen Brian Gudakunz move up in the 130 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 1: first round where you drafted Darnell Savage, he drafted Jordan 131 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:48,720 Speaker 1: Love with trades up in the first round. We've seen 132 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 1: him move back in the first round. We've seen him 133 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:53,040 Speaker 1: move back and up in the same first round the 134 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 1: year he got JayR Alexander. So what's your gut feeling 135 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:00,599 Speaker 1: here with the Packers sitting at number five fifteen do 136 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:02,919 Speaker 1: you think do you think it's a trade up, do 137 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 1: you think it's a trade back? Do you think it's 138 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 1: a sit and pick situation? Obviously it all depends on 139 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 1: who you know, who goes in those first ten or twelve, 140 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 1: you know, as things unfold. But what's your gut say 141 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 1: in terms of what the Packers do with the fifteenth pick? 142 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 2: Mike, I don't know anything, and obviously that's an evergreen statement. 143 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 2: But this to me feels a lot like twenty eighteen, 144 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 2: if I'm being honest with you, When the Packers were 145 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 2: originally sitting at fourteen, they moved back, the New Orleans 146 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 2: Saints came up to take Marcus Davenport. The Packers ultimately settled, 147 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 2: not settled, but found jyr Alexander at eighteen after moving around. 148 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 2: When you're picking in the middle of the pack like that, 149 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 2: it's such an interesting spot because your assets are aligned 150 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 2: in such a way that you could move up a 151 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 2: few spots, or you could potentially move back a little 152 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 2: bit too, depending, as you said, on how the board falls. 153 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 2: I think a lot of this is going to have 154 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 2: to do with those four quarterbacks. How early do those 155 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 2: guys go off the board? Would imagine they all will 156 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 2: be off the board before fifteen, But the earlier the better, uh, 157 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 2: in terms of you know, Green Bay's standpoint and being 158 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 2: able to maybe get a top player at tight end 159 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 2: or defensive line, what have you. But also what is 160 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 2: the trickle down effect of that. You're seeing reports now 161 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 2: of the Minnesota Vikings potentially having interest in Will Levis, 162 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 2: so could they move up? You know, how does that 163 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 2: affect the board, fifteen is such a malleable pick in 164 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 2: terms of where you go and where you sit. I think, 165 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 2: out of all the scenarios, and as you outlined, Brian 166 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 2: Gutikuntz has exercised them all in five years, but to me, 167 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 2: I think the most unlikely is for them just to 168 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 2: sit at fifteen. Now. Let's not to say they won't, 169 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:44,320 Speaker 2: but I just feel like the positioning of the board, 170 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 2: the depth of this first round, and also the fact 171 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 2: that packers do have those ten picks right now really 172 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 2: creates a lot of intrigue there for what potentially Green 173 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 2: Bay could do. I yeah. 174 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 1: And in addition to the quarterbacks, because the quarterbacks always, 175 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 1: you know, dictate how the first round goes from from 176 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 1: a league wide perspective. The other thing I think that's 177 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:07,080 Speaker 1: that's going to have a big impact here are those 178 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:12,079 Speaker 1: top four offensive tackles. When you're talking about Scarronsky Jones, 179 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:15,319 Speaker 1: Paris Johnson Junior, and Darnell Right, those guys are pretty 180 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 1: much considered, you know, the the elite, the top four 181 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:23,559 Speaker 1: offensive tackles in this draft. And once you know the 182 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:25,960 Speaker 1: first one or two of those guys goes and then 183 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 1: there's only say two of them left on the board. 184 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:31,720 Speaker 1: The teams that are really really in need of fixing, 185 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:34,080 Speaker 1: you know, either a left tackle or a right tackle 186 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 1: spot and want to get one of these top guys 187 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 1: in the first round and not wait around and take 188 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 1: their chances on a you know, a lesser evaluated player. 189 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 1: I think that's where we could start to see some movement. 190 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:48,839 Speaker 1: So the quarterbacks are going to have their say in 191 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 1: the movement and how things go. But I think the 192 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 1: offensive tackles are going to play a part in that too, 193 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 1: just because there seems to be such a you know, 194 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 1: such a solid grouping of these are the top and 195 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 1: then there's sort of everybody else at those offensive tackle spots. 196 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 2: Well. And then, honestly, Mike think about it, because you're 197 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:09,319 Speaker 2: always gonna you know, Will Anderson is gonna come off 198 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 2: the board. Obviously, Jalen Carter has a couple more questions 199 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 2: now where he could potentially fall. It's always doing simple 200 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 2: math and just figuring out, Okay, there's there's certain guys 201 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:19,960 Speaker 2: that could be there, and there's certain guys who undoubtedly 202 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 2: will not be And if you run those numbers, it 203 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 2: really does put you in a situation if you're Brian 204 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 2: and if you're the packer's personnel department, where I mean, 205 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 2: there's gonna be six seven guys who are going to 206 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 2: potentially be there for you. Who do you like the 207 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 2: most out of that grouping? And then, by the way, 208 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:36,560 Speaker 2: if they're all there, then that's probably where it gives 209 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 2: you the flexibility to move back. It's the game that 210 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 2: must be played. But I'll the last thing I'll leave 211 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 2: you with on this topic is I was sitting earlier this, 212 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:48,200 Speaker 2: you know, on Sunday morning, and I was thinking about, Okay, 213 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 2: the draft week is finally here, right, and about how 214 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:54,560 Speaker 2: Brian gudikin somewhere in Green Bay, Wisconsin is sitting around 215 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:57,320 Speaker 2: probably with his family or you know, doing what have you. 216 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:00,560 Speaker 2: And I'm like, the decisions he's gonna make the ten 217 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:03,839 Speaker 2: cards or more or less that he turns in, the 218 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 2: trickle down effect that that's going to have on so 219 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 2: many young men's lives around the country. At this very time, 220 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 2: I was watching the video that I don't even know 221 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 2: if it's up at the time and this is posting, 222 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:15,200 Speaker 2: but the interview that Larry mccaerron did with Kay Walker 223 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 2: and seeing that video again of Clay in his living 224 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:20,080 Speaker 2: room with all of his family surrounding him. It is 225 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:23,440 Speaker 2: a life changing moment that is going to not only 226 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 2: affect this franchise's history, but also these individuals. So it's 227 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 2: the exciting prospect of finding a real talent, somebody that, 228 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:36,199 Speaker 2: regardless of the position, is going to be a playmaker 229 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:39,680 Speaker 2: in Green Bay for ten twelve years, and ultimately that 230 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 2: decision lies in the hands of Brian Goudekunst. 231 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:44,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, well you said it. In terms of with the 232 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:48,840 Speaker 1: Packers being at fifteen, it feels like there are going 233 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 1: to be a handful of players that I think the 234 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 1: Packers are going to like that They're going to have 235 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 1: strong evaluations on, have very strong feelings about, and they're 236 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 1: going to have their pick of of what direction they 237 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:03,560 Speaker 1: want to go. We talked about this a little bit 238 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:05,320 Speaker 1: on our last show, but I want to follow up 239 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 1: with it again. What position do you think, you know, 240 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 1: in that scenario, say there's four or five guys at 241 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 1: some different spots, the Packers all have them, you know, 242 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 1: graded relatively equally, and you know which is a nice 243 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 1: spot to be in. Which position do you think they 244 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 1: go with? 245 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, And out of any years in which I've covered 246 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:27,560 Speaker 2: the draft, this is actually number fourteen. For me already 247 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:29,080 Speaker 2: going back to when I was just helping out at 248 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 2: the pres Cosette in twenty ten, this is the year 249 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 2: I think, I'm It reminds me the most of twenty fourteen, 250 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 2: where I was like, Hey Ryan Cheese or CJ. Moseley, haha, 251 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:39,439 Speaker 2: Clinton Dix. There's so many different ways green Bay could go, 252 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:42,440 Speaker 2: and I think all those decisions could help them. But 253 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 2: if I was to do a mock draft right now, 254 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:48,200 Speaker 2: I think it comes back to Lucas van Es. For me, 255 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:51,080 Speaker 2: the more I thought about it, the more that he 256 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 2: makes sense, and in a lot of ways he kind 257 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:56,079 Speaker 2: of reminds me of Clay Matthews. He's much bigger than Clay, 258 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:58,560 Speaker 2: you know, about twenty pounds heavier. But this is one 259 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 2: of those type of guys that you didn't really get 260 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 2: the full feeling of his potential at Iowa. He wasn't 261 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 2: a starter every year, but he would fit the prototype 262 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 2: for them, And I think, as you've talked about a 263 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:12,199 Speaker 2: couple times, I mean, there's a couple of these guys 264 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 2: in that six five two seventy range, almost that Preston 265 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 2: Smith type range, where I don't think you could go wrong, 266 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 2: and for a guy like VanNess. If he comes in 267 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 2: and needs to be a rotational guy right away like 268 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:25,959 Speaker 2: he kind of was at times at Iowa, well he's 269 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 2: still going to have the flexibility to do that. So 270 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 2: as deep as this draft is at a number of positions, 271 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 2: I want to sort of test that depth a little 272 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:35,560 Speaker 2: bit at tight end. I want to test that depth 273 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 2: at offensive line or receiver and go out and get 274 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:40,320 Speaker 2: what is probably going to be the best available pass 275 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:42,840 Speaker 2: rusher at fifteen. So the answer to your question is 276 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 2: edge rusher. And to be more specific, I think Lucas 277 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 2: VanNess is the guy that could potentially be that fit. 278 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you. I think, you know, all else 279 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 1: being equal in the scenario that the very sort of 280 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 1: basic boring scenario I laid out, I'm inclined. I'm inclined 281 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 1: to think the Packers are going to go edge rusher. 282 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 1: I do think Lucas van Ness would be would be 283 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 1: a guy very high on their board. The other one 284 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:06,960 Speaker 1: that I talked about on our last show with that 285 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 1: Preston Smith build Miles Murphy from from Clemson, I think 286 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 1: could potentially fit there too. Some people might say fifteen 287 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:15,960 Speaker 1: is a little bit high for Murphy, but at the 288 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 1: same time, there aren't. You know, there there are the 289 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 1: there are the edge rushers who are in that you know, 290 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 1: two forty two fifty range, and then there are the 291 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 1: edge rushers that are in the two sixty five to 292 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 1: two seventy five range. And there's a big difference there 293 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 1: because you know, you talk about a guy like Van 294 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 1: Ness and you see this on the tape at Iowa 295 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 1: where he would move inside and become an interior rusher 296 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 1: in certain sub packages, certain third downs and things like that. 297 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 1: And we've seen, you know, with with the Smiths, with 298 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 1: Rashan Gary over the years here in Green Bay, that 299 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 1: the packers like to do that. I'm sorry if you 300 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 1: draft an edge rusher who's two hundred and forty five pounds, 301 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 1: he's not lining up as a three technique on third 302 00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 1: and eight, you know, to give you a different look 303 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 1: in the pass rush going to be out on the edge. 304 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 1: You don't have that flexibility. That's where the body type 305 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 1: thing comes into it for me in terms of in 306 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 1: terms of looking at that, I wanted to ask you 307 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 1: as well as far as you know, your your favorite 308 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 1: guys so to speak, at certain positions, and when I 309 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 1: say favorite guys, I mean guys that realistically could be 310 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 1: available for the Packers either and say the first round 311 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 1: or the second round, you know, Thursday night or Friday night. 312 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 1: You mentioned Vanes at the edge. I'm totally on board 313 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 1: with that. I also like Murphy from Clemson defensive line. 314 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 1: With the Packers obviously moving on from Jaron Reed and 315 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 1: Dean Lowry and looking for a big step forward from 316 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 1: Devonte Wyatt and TJ. Slayton, is there a defensive lineman 317 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 1: out there within you know, the first fifty picks that 318 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 1: that you think maybe fits Green Bay can. 319 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 2: If we're gonna do the favorite topic, can I start 320 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 2: with something else though, I'm taking the ship from me 321 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 2: for a second. That's okay. As soon as you said favorite, 322 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:00,160 Speaker 2: The first guy that popped in my head is no 323 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 2: Washington and the reason why it ties in really quickly. Now, 324 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 2: this is not a defensive lineman all though, Shoot, the 325 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 2: kid could probably play there with a big play there. Yeah. 326 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 2: But the big reason I just want to mention that, Michael, 327 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 2: is when we were talking about fifteen and potentially moving 328 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 2: back or acquiring more picks if the Packers don't want 329 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 2: to go Kincaid at fifteen, Washington is the type of guy, 330 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 2: probably a little bit like Murphy, where if you move 331 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 2: to the end of the first round, or maybe even 332 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 2: move up a little bit in the second, that could 333 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 2: be a really good fit for them. Washington is the 334 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 2: guy I've kind of labeled as the baby Mercedes a 335 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 2: little bit, just because of the amount of athleticism and 336 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 2: a huge body. And I feel like, at some point, Mike, 337 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 2: I don't know if it's the first round, second round, 338 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 2: or third round, those first two days before you and 339 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 2: I are walking out of lambeau Field, the agreement packers, 340 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 2: I feel are going to draft a tight end. I 341 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 2: just when you look at the makeup of them, I 342 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 2: know there's Mayher excuse me, Michael Meyer. Fantastic player, really 343 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 2: good in line blocker. I think that's why a lot 344 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 2: of people are high on them. Dalton Kincaid brings a 345 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 2: lot to the party, Sam Laporta, all these different guys. 346 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 2: But when I looked at the film, and again I'm 347 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 2: not a scout, but when I looked at the film, 348 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 2: Darnell Savage is the type of player. Excuse me, Darnel Savage. 349 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 2: Darneld Savage too, but Darnel Washington is the type of 350 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 2: player that makes me just be like, man, I wish 351 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 2: training campus he already because I want to see this 352 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:16,160 Speaker 2: kid play. 353 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you in the sense that I like 354 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:22,880 Speaker 1: actually a lot of these tight ends. 355 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:23,879 Speaker 2: Washington. 356 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:27,439 Speaker 1: Washington is in his own category in terms of the 357 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 1: type of the type of player he is, the type 358 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 1: of physical presence and everything that he is. I don't 359 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:36,400 Speaker 1: know if the Packers are going to go tight end 360 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 1: in round one, which I think would be either Mayor 361 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:43,879 Speaker 1: from Notre Dame or Kincaid from Utah, if you go 362 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:45,919 Speaker 1: tight end in round two and you want to target 363 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 1: a guy like Washington, or if you want to stay 364 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 1: in the middle of the second round or maybe even 365 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:53,159 Speaker 1: move back a little bit in the second round, the 366 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:58,440 Speaker 1: Muskrave from Oregon State could potentially be a good fit 367 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:00,440 Speaker 1: at tight end two, and you're still getting one of 368 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 1: the top four or five tight ends in this draft. 369 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:07,119 Speaker 1: So I think, I think all of those are our possibilities. 370 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 1: But Washington, Washington is the one who just who sticks 371 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:13,480 Speaker 1: out because he's different, right, Yeah, he's a he's a 372 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:16,679 Speaker 1: different breed a cat and uh and very intriguing in 373 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 1: terms of how this tight end, the order of the 374 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:22,960 Speaker 1: selection of the tight ends could unfold the Thursday and Friday. 375 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 2: Thank you for humoring me. Now we can get back 376 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:27,879 Speaker 2: to the Mike Spofford Packers on scripted. That was that 377 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 2: was playing? Okay, I was? I mean tight end, wasn't. 378 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:33,200 Speaker 1: I just got to check off, you know, I'm checking 379 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 1: off all the moving around the different positions. So yeah, 380 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 1: we've talked about edge, we talked about tight ends. So 381 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 1: where do you want to go next to Wes? 382 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 2: You pick it defensive line. Those start because because Brian Breezy, 383 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:44,919 Speaker 2: you know Clemson, this is a kid that when you 384 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:48,120 Speaker 2: look at losing a Dean Lowry type, he fits that 385 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 2: role right six foot six, three hundred pounds, can probably 386 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 2: put a little bit more onto that frame. He's had 387 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:55,479 Speaker 2: to weather a few things, but I think when you 388 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 2: look at the makeup, when you're looking at guys that 389 00:18:57,520 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 2: could potentially compliment a Kenny Clark or a DeVante Wyatt, 390 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 2: he is the guy and reading off and doing some 391 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:06,720 Speaker 2: of these prospect primers with him. He's definitely one of 392 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:09,720 Speaker 2: the dudes that the more I read about him, the 393 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 2: more I learned about his story, he seems like a 394 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:15,400 Speaker 2: Green Bay Packers type of player, and I'd be interested 395 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:17,720 Speaker 2: to see if that potential guy was there. Also the 396 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:20,119 Speaker 2: Northwestern kid, I'm not even going to try to pronounce 397 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:23,720 Speaker 2: his name, and that doesn't have the same type of size. 398 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 2: But Mike, we've learned time and time again now with 399 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:29,120 Speaker 2: these defensive linemen, especially these three techniques, six foot two, 400 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 2: two hundred and ninety eight pounds is no longer a 401 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:33,119 Speaker 2: deal breaker in this league if you can get the 402 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:35,359 Speaker 2: guy that you're lined up across room to get on 403 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 2: his heels. 404 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, Brazi from Clemson is the guy I really like 405 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 1: on the defensive line. I agree with you. I think 406 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 1: he's I think he's a really good fit for this 407 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:47,639 Speaker 1: this Packer system. What the Packers like to do with 408 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:50,359 Speaker 1: their defensive lineman, they what they asked them to do. 409 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 1: That being said, you know, we're talking about edge and 410 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:55,680 Speaker 1: D line and tight end, and you're not gonna be 411 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 1: able to draft everybody you want in the first two rounds, right, 412 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 1: I mean, Thursday and Friday night are going to go by, 413 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:04,360 Speaker 1: and all of these you know, different spots that we're 414 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 1: talking about, the Packers aren't going to be able to 415 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:08,880 Speaker 1: address them all. So these are these are various favorites 416 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:11,880 Speaker 1: that we're talking about, but knowing realistically that the Packers 417 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 1: can't get all of these guys, but but you hope 418 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:17,919 Speaker 1: that maybe things fall a certain way, or that that 419 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 1: Brian Guducuts can move around on the board as such 420 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 1: to to maybe get some of them. The the other 421 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:27,920 Speaker 1: another spot to ask you about wide receiver. I know 422 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:32,120 Speaker 1: Jackson Smith jigba Is is your guy, and he may 423 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 1: be there at fifteen for Green Bay, and he may 424 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:39,639 Speaker 1: present a very very intriguing prospect here in the fact 425 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:42,159 Speaker 1: that the Packers haven't drafted a wide receiver in the 426 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 1: first hail for a couple of decades now, but he 427 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:48,360 Speaker 1: may be there. Aside from aside from him, any other 428 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:51,439 Speaker 1: any other receivers that that you have your eye on 429 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:52,159 Speaker 1: in this draft. 430 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is the other thing. I wish I could 431 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:57,120 Speaker 2: say the whole tweet. But it is incredible the amount 432 00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:01,919 Speaker 2: of kind of smaller receivers in this year's draft. I 433 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:03,680 Speaker 2: forget who who put it out there, one of the 434 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:07,119 Speaker 2: draft experts, but the amount of guys under five to 435 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:08,920 Speaker 2: ten and the amount of guys under one hundred and 436 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:12,360 Speaker 2: ninety pounds in the top one hundred or two hundred prospects, 437 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:15,359 Speaker 2: it is incredible. I mean We're just really quickly reeling 438 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:19,679 Speaker 2: this off. You know, Zay Flowers goes out of Boston 439 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:21,959 Speaker 2: College five foot nine, one hundred and eighty two pounds. 440 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:25,440 Speaker 2: I mean, Jordan Addison USC five to eleven, one seventy three, 441 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:29,480 Speaker 2: Tyler Scott from Since he one seventy seven, Josh Downs 442 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 2: UNC five nine one seventy one. Jalen Hyatt is probably 443 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 2: the next guy I look at if it's not going 444 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 2: to be in Jig Smith and Jigba, because again, he 445 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:43,919 Speaker 2: fits more that six foot one, got a little bit 446 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 2: more of that size to him, similar to what the 447 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:48,479 Speaker 2: Packers have gone with with a A Romeo Dobbs at 448 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 2: DeVante Adams in the past. The Packers so many years, Mike, 449 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 2: they put in really big assets into six foot four 450 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:57,639 Speaker 2: receivers two hundred plus pounds. Are ain't a lot of 451 00:21:57,680 --> 00:21:59,679 Speaker 2: them in this year's draft class in terms of at 452 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 2: least the high end ones. So finding out exactly where 453 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 2: the Packers decide to spend that pick is going to 454 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 2: be really interesting because at some point they have to 455 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:10,679 Speaker 2: draft a receiver. But I'll be just really interested in 456 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:12,960 Speaker 2: a draft where there's so many talented guys that don't 457 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 2: necessarily maybe meet the ron Wolf, you know, sort of 458 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:19,360 Speaker 2: standard in terms of size, which guys the packers could 459 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 2: potentially roll the dice on. 460 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:22,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, You're right in that there are a 461 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:26,400 Speaker 1: lot of these, a lot of these smaller uh you know, 462 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:29,720 Speaker 1: sort of the the cat quick, the classic slot receiver, 463 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:32,879 Speaker 1: you know type. Not not to not to pegger or 464 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 1: stereotype these guys too much, but but they seem to fit, 465 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:39,400 Speaker 1: you know, those those type of labels. The other one, 466 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 1: and I've I've been talking about him, you know, having 467 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 1: done a prospect primer on him that I'm really curious 468 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 1: because I've seen evaluation scouting reports all across the board 469 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 1: on Quinton Johnston from TCU. There there are some scouts 470 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 1: that really really like him. There are some that just 471 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 1: that that question how consistent his hands are and whether 472 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:01,119 Speaker 1: he's going to be able to be a consistent pass 473 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:03,679 Speaker 1: catcher in the NFL. But he caught my eye right 474 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 1: away because he is almost the exact same size as 475 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 1: Christian Watson. He just wait, yeah, he just doesn't run 476 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 1: a four to three. He runs a four or five. 477 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 1: He's which is not exactly slow, but he's not the 478 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 1: he's not the speed burner that that Watson is. That 479 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 1: being said, more often than not, the Packers have invested 480 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:26,400 Speaker 1: draft picks at the receiver position on the bigger bodies, 481 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 1: not necessarily the smaller bodies. And so that's why I wonder, 482 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 1: you know where where he fits. And not to say 483 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 1: that I don't think he's would be in play for 484 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:39,679 Speaker 1: the Packers at fifteen overall in the first round, but 485 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 1: depending on what happens with the Rogers trade, your second 486 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:45,840 Speaker 1: round assets are then potentially what things look like in 487 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:49,720 Speaker 1: the third round. With with some of the negative things 488 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,880 Speaker 1: that I've seen about Johnson from TCU, maybe he's still 489 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 1: on the board in the third round. I mean, who 490 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 1: the heck knows. 491 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's probably more than any other receiver I can 492 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 2: remember in terms of just the screpancy of where scouts 493 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 2: have this kid, in terms of, you know, some of 494 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,040 Speaker 2: them will have them as the top receiver on the board, 495 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 2: some of them have them underneath some of those other 496 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 2: receivers that I mentioned. What is intriguing to me though 497 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:14,359 Speaker 2: about him is you mentioned the comparisons to Christian Watson. 498 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:16,960 Speaker 2: We've touched on that before, but it's also he does 499 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 2: remind me a lot of Watson in terms of how 500 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,399 Speaker 2: the scouts are kind of like confused in terms of 501 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 2: where this kid should be drafted. Right, there were people 502 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 2: that thought that Christian Watson was a hands down top 503 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 2: twenty player last year. There were people that said, there's 504 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 2: no way you can spend a first round pick on 505 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:32,760 Speaker 2: this kid. I think thirty four ended up being a 506 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 2: pretty good compromise because the packers moved up basically treated 507 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,159 Speaker 2: him like a first round pick to be able to 508 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,920 Speaker 2: get him at that spot, but didn't waste much time 509 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 2: on day two and doing it. I mean, they turned 510 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,640 Speaker 2: in that card pretty quick after acquiring the second pick 511 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 2: of day two. So he's going to be one man. 512 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:50,639 Speaker 2: There's a number of these kids, and Darnel Washington is 513 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 2: one of them too. Where I don't know where they're 514 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 2: going to go, but as long as they're on the board, 515 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:56,960 Speaker 2: my eyes are going to be kind of gravitating toward 516 00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:57,360 Speaker 2: their name. 517 00:24:57,760 --> 00:24:59,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going to be very curious to see how 518 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,480 Speaker 1: that unfolds. One other spot I want to ask you about. 519 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,960 Speaker 1: We already talked a little bit about the offensive tackles 520 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,680 Speaker 1: in that top group, but do you have a guy 521 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,359 Speaker 1: who's who's a favorite in that bunch that maybe is 522 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 1: going to intrigue Green Bay in terms of how they 523 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 1: navigate the first and second rounds of this draft. 524 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,480 Speaker 2: Well, like I've said to you before, the Peter Skronski 525 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 2: thing is interesting because it depends on how you look 526 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 2: at his situation because, as I touched on, he has 527 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:27,040 Speaker 2: shorter arms. But the Packers really like guys that could 528 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:30,960 Speaker 2: potentially play multiple positions. Scronsky is that guy. I think 529 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,240 Speaker 2: he is athletic enough and talented enough he's going to 530 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:34,920 Speaker 2: be able to be just fine at right tackle. There's 531 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,600 Speaker 2: guys more I read about him that are just absolutely 532 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:39,239 Speaker 2: convinced that this kid is going to be a ten 533 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:42,200 Speaker 2: year start in the NFL at tackle, no questions asked. 534 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,160 Speaker 2: After Saturday night, We're never going to be talking about 535 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 2: his arm length again. But Paris Johnson's the one I 536 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:50,720 Speaker 2: have always kind of identified as probably the most ready 537 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 2: made prospect. I just I like the pedigree. Obviously there's 538 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 2: a history there of that program, but also the standpoint 539 00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:00,960 Speaker 2: of you can't teach six ' five, you can't teach 540 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:04,200 Speaker 2: three hundred and ten pounds, and if there is an 541 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:06,719 Speaker 2: aspect when you look at the guys that have truly 542 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,920 Speaker 2: succeeded in Green Bay at that tackle position, that's kind 543 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:13,200 Speaker 2: of been the commonality. David Bakhtiari. People thought he was 544 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,159 Speaker 2: too small. David Baktii's height was never a problem. He 545 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,359 Speaker 2: put on a couple pounds. The kid was just fine. 546 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,400 Speaker 2: Brian Blaga was as ready made as they probably come 547 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:25,000 Speaker 2: in terms of going from Iowa to the NFL. Paris 548 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 2: is sort of the guy that I look at in 549 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 2: terms of if you want just a consistent, steady, probably 550 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:32,920 Speaker 2: guy you can insert on day one and let him fly. 551 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 2: That's the guy I feel the best of out. 552 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, and what's interesting if the Packers go that route, 553 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,159 Speaker 1: they don't necessarily need him to step in right away. Yeah, 554 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 1: try one, right. But that being said, to have that 555 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 1: type of that type of insurance policy at offensive tackle, 556 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,520 Speaker 1: assuming you're going into the season with Boktiari on the 557 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:53,879 Speaker 1: left side of yash Nimen on the right side, to 558 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,680 Speaker 1: have that kind of an insurance policy if something happens 559 00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:00,880 Speaker 1: is not a bad spot to be in. I've been before, 560 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:04,400 Speaker 1: and it's it just when I see six foot five, 561 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 1: three hundred and thirty pounds and a guy who can 562 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 1: move like Darnell right from Tennessee, it just it catches 563 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:12,200 Speaker 1: my eye. I know there are a lot of things 564 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:16,239 Speaker 1: out there in terms of you know, I don't I 565 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:20,000 Speaker 1: don't like to read too much into it, but there's 566 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 1: stuff out there about his attitude and this and that 567 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:24,240 Speaker 1: and the other thing, and it's like, I'll let the 568 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 1: scouts sort that out. I don't know if the Packers 569 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 1: like like this young man or not. But but when 570 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 1: you when you look at the film and you look 571 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,960 Speaker 1: at what he did in the sec six foot five 572 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 1: and three thirty and a guy that a guy that 573 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,640 Speaker 1: feels like you know again, you could you could just say, 574 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:42,959 Speaker 1: all right, here's a here's a right tackle for the 575 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 1: next decade in the NFL, and you don't have to 576 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 1: worry about that spot. That always, that always becomes an 577 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 1: intriguing option to me. 578 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 2: Last thing I just want to mention too. I know 579 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,200 Speaker 2: sometimes you can run into problems with the height thing, 580 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:58,119 Speaker 2: and you know, with offensive lineman, Bay Packers have not 581 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:01,200 Speaker 2: been deterred by that. You look at Caleb Jones and Yashneimen. 582 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,560 Speaker 2: They go and they'll get offensive lineman, they'll teach them 583 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:04,800 Speaker 2: pad level, they'll be good there. 584 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 1: Well. Packers drafted a six ' five center in the 585 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 1: second round. A couple of years ago. I mean, six 586 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 1: foot five playing center, and you know Josh Myers Is 587 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 1: is doing his. 588 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:17,200 Speaker 2: Thing just fine. So yes, So in that idea, Blake 589 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:23,520 Speaker 2: Freeland from BYU six foot eight, incredible build, a lot 590 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 2: of frame to work with, you know, only around the 591 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:28,640 Speaker 2: three hundred pound range. But again, if you're looking at guys, 592 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:30,439 Speaker 2: and that's what I'm doing here, you know, again, that's 593 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:32,399 Speaker 2: probably the reason I'm not as high on Skorronski as 594 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 2: other people, because I feel like the Packers have plenty 595 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,480 Speaker 2: of talent for the interior offensive line. It's more about 596 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:39,360 Speaker 2: what are they looking at in terms of the future 597 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,080 Speaker 2: at the outside tackle positions. Right, He's another guy that 598 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 2: kind of fits probably more that Jared Valdeer sort of 599 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 2: you know, taller, more slender. But if you teach him 600 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 2: the right fundamentals, he's going to give you a heck 601 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 2: of a bang for your buck. 602 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:56,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely a little bit of sponsored business here, West 603 00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,200 Speaker 1: and then I just got a couple more questions for you. 604 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:02,560 Speaker 1: Serious XMNFL Radio delivers hard hitting analysis and up to 605 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 1: the minute NFL news that true football fanatics need twenty 606 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,479 Speaker 1: four to seven, three sixty five and at Cousin Subbs. 607 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,600 Speaker 1: We have something for everyone, like our Wisconsin cheese curds, 608 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:15,120 Speaker 1: mac and Cheese, golden fries, and creamy shakes, all paired 609 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 1: with your favorite sub or sub in a bowl. Cousin 610 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,560 Speaker 1: Subs fifty years of better. All right. One of my 611 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,920 Speaker 1: last questions for you, are the Packers going to draft 612 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:25,479 Speaker 1: a kicker? 613 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:28,959 Speaker 2: The more and more the closer we get to the draft. 614 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 2: Mic again, I don't know what's happening with Mason Crosby, 615 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 2: but the more convinced I am that Jake Moody is 616 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,240 Speaker 2: going to potentially be a guy that you could pick. 617 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:41,120 Speaker 2: On day three, I actually was hanging out with a 618 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,960 Speaker 2: good friend of mine, Michael Cohen. You know Michael as well. Yes, 619 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,120 Speaker 2: he got to cover him at Michigan, and he's he 620 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 2: was pretty convinced that this kid is going to be 621 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,200 Speaker 2: a pretty talented player, has a heck of a leg. 622 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,480 Speaker 2: As recently, I think is probably two weeks ago. In inbox, 623 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 2: I was writing, I just don't know if anyone's going 624 00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,040 Speaker 2: to have a draftable great, I'm not exactly sure. If 625 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:00,760 Speaker 2: you know, do you I want to spend one of 626 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,280 Speaker 2: the picks on the kicker, but with as many day 627 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 2: threes as the picks as the Packers do have, Moody's 628 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 2: the one that'll test it if he's there, if he's available, 629 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,000 Speaker 2: and it makes sense, he was the one I would consider. 630 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:16,080 Speaker 2: If not him, I'm still not really sold. I'm not sure. 631 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,520 Speaker 2: I Mean, there's some draft alphlets I think that don't 632 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:20,320 Speaker 2: even have a kicker in the top three hundred on 633 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,000 Speaker 2: their boards. So but but Moody definitely has an NFL 634 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:25,120 Speaker 2: ag and could potentially be the guy that gets brought in. 635 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:29,720 Speaker 2: And it's been fifteen years since the sixteen years since 636 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,760 Speaker 2: the Green Bay Packers have drafted a kickers, so eighteen years. 637 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:36,880 Speaker 2: Mason Crosby's not coming back out of any free agent 638 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,600 Speaker 2: kicker on the market, regardless of the fact he's thirty eight. 639 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,120 Speaker 2: I would still go with Mason Crosby. So if it's 640 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,200 Speaker 2: not going to be Mason, if that if again, we'll 641 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:48,120 Speaker 2: see what happens. But for me, it's draft or nothing. 642 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,480 Speaker 2: If you're moving on from Mason. 643 00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, last one for you, Wes, And this 644 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:55,600 Speaker 1: is kind of a you can take this any direction 645 00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,280 Speaker 1: you want to, But come next when we do our 646 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:00,400 Speaker 1: next show in the early part of next week, and 647 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:04,719 Speaker 1: we are reviewing the draft? What is the what is 648 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,360 Speaker 1: a topic that is going to be very high on 649 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:11,680 Speaker 1: the discussion list that we have not necessarily been talking 650 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 1: a whole heck of a lot about in our pre 651 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:15,520 Speaker 1: draft episodes here. 652 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,360 Speaker 2: What do you think? Yeah, drafting a quarterback. I think 653 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:21,000 Speaker 2: that's going to happen over the three days, especially if 654 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,680 Speaker 2: the deal goes down with Rogers. We know the situation 655 00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,560 Speaker 2: with the Packers. I've talked at numerous times about how 656 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:28,600 Speaker 2: I'm not a guy that's typically wanting to just throw 657 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,479 Speaker 2: money at a veteran backup just to have one. I 658 00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:35,400 Speaker 2: like potentially developing a young guy. Who could that be 659 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 2: because if you look outside of Jordan Love, the Packers 660 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:41,520 Speaker 2: haven't really dipped into those waters very often and really 661 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:45,520 Speaker 2: now the last what eight years, So that would be 662 00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:48,360 Speaker 2: the position I'm kind of looking at. Even even when 663 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,400 Speaker 2: terms of undrafted free agency, the Packers haven't signed a 664 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:53,760 Speaker 2: lot of quarterbacks lately. They've had you know, your Danny 665 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 2: Ettlings and in some of these veterans that have been 666 00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:58,800 Speaker 2: around a little bit and been the practice squad guy. 667 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,240 Speaker 2: So I'll be it's very interested to see who they 668 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,800 Speaker 2: potentially pick and if they make the decision that Love 669 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,680 Speaker 2: is the guy you're moving on from Aaron Rodgers. Do 670 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,680 Speaker 2: the Packers follow suit to what Ted Thompson did in 671 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,040 Speaker 2: two thousand and eight and actually draft a quarterback in 672 00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,600 Speaker 2: those not maybe the first round, but in those earlier 673 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:16,480 Speaker 2: rounds to see if you have a young guy there 674 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:17,440 Speaker 2: that you potentially like. 675 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:20,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think the topic we're gonna be 676 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:23,160 Speaker 1: talking about next week and it's gonna be a lot 677 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,640 Speaker 1: of fun. There's gonna be some confusion with it. And 678 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:27,960 Speaker 1: when I say confusion, I don't necessarily mean that's a 679 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,560 Speaker 1: bad thing, but I think we're all gonna be trying 680 00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:33,320 Speaker 1: to figure out what are the Packers doing gonna do 681 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:36,840 Speaker 1: in the secondary, because I think at some point in 682 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,240 Speaker 1: this draft the Packers are going to take a corner 683 00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:42,160 Speaker 1: and they're also going to take a safety. But we're 684 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:43,920 Speaker 1: gonna be trying to figure out. Okay, so you have 685 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:49,400 Speaker 1: Alexander and Russeull Douglas on the outside, You brought back 686 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 1: Keishaan Nixon to play the slot. You have Eric Stokes 687 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:54,480 Speaker 1: coming back from the injury, and where does he fit? 688 00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:56,960 Speaker 1: And then there might be another cornerback draft pick in 689 00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 1: the mix, and then at safety. Right now, Savage and 690 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,600 Speaker 1: Flour would probably be your two starters based on how 691 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,240 Speaker 1: the roster sits. But if you draft a safety in 692 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,000 Speaker 1: the third or fourth round, is that a guy who 693 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:10,280 Speaker 1: could legitimately compete, you know, for a starting spot at 694 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:14,000 Speaker 1: safety or you know, you know as perhaps you know, 695 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,520 Speaker 1: a dime roll or something like that. I think there's 696 00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:18,360 Speaker 1: gonna be a lot of things up in the air 697 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,920 Speaker 1: with regard to just what the Packers' secondary is going 698 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,080 Speaker 1: to look like. And I think it could be some 699 00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:26,080 Speaker 1: some fun discussion because I think I think ultimately the 700 00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,800 Speaker 1: Packers are going to have some options there, especially if 701 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:33,040 Speaker 1: we find out somewhere along the line that all of 702 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,720 Speaker 1: the recovery news with Eric Stokes and coming back to 703 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:37,960 Speaker 1: you know, to be in that top group of corners 704 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:40,160 Speaker 1: with this team and be healthy and ready to go. 705 00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:43,160 Speaker 1: If that, if that indeed is the scenario, where. 706 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,920 Speaker 2: Does Brian Branch go in your mind? Because the way 707 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,120 Speaker 2: I look at it is it's kind of like taking, 708 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,560 Speaker 2: like in your fantasy football draft, taking Travis Kelce, where 709 00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:53,960 Speaker 2: you're gonna get, you know, hands down, the top guy 710 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,280 Speaker 2: at that position, but there's going to be depth in 711 00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:58,800 Speaker 2: other areas. Where do you think a team potentially moves 712 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:00,560 Speaker 2: on him. 713 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,360 Speaker 1: I'm I'm going to say, I'm gonna say it's going 714 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:05,880 Speaker 1: to be in the bottom in the bottom quarter, you know, 715 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,239 Speaker 1: the last seven to eight picks of the first round. 716 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,439 Speaker 1: I think maybe is where he goes. I think where 717 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,120 Speaker 1: the Packers are sitting in the middle of the first round. 718 00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:16,440 Speaker 1: That just that just feels too rich for for that 719 00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:19,000 Speaker 1: type of selection. Could be wrong, who knows. We never 720 00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:20,680 Speaker 1: know exactly what these teams. 721 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:21,880 Speaker 2: Are putting on the spot. I was just curious. 722 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:25,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, but I think I think a guy like 723 00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:28,520 Speaker 1: that is is a first round pick and a first 724 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,799 Speaker 1: round talent, but it's probably more, you know, the back 725 00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,120 Speaker 1: end the last six eight picks of the first round. 726 00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:36,719 Speaker 2: That's just my best guess. Yeah, because it's that. That's 727 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,200 Speaker 2: what I'm most excited to see on Thursday Night, Mike, 728 00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:41,719 Speaker 2: is that we talk about these offensive tackles and these 729 00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:46,360 Speaker 2: quarterbacks and these defensive linemen, edge rushers, tight ends. Somebody 730 00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:49,640 Speaker 2: has to fall and it's always interesting seeing teams play 731 00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:53,080 Speaker 2: that dance in terms of, Okay, we really like these 732 00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:55,479 Speaker 2: type of players, but then now you have the top 733 00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:58,160 Speaker 2: prospects at these positions. The Packers ran into that situation 734 00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:01,680 Speaker 2: in twenty nineteen. Darnell Savage was the first defensive back 735 00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:05,480 Speaker 2: taken in that draft, not safety, first defensive back taken 736 00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,520 Speaker 2: in that draft, and always trying to figure out exactly 737 00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,080 Speaker 2: where those boards are gonna fall. Can't wait to see it. 738 00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:14,360 Speaker 2: It's gonna be a night other exciting NFL draft. 739 00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:17,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, rest up the rest of this week, Weston, 740 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,760 Speaker 1: because come Thursday night, Friday night, and all day Saturday, 741 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,960 Speaker 1: we got some long nights and some long days ahead. 742 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,759 Speaker 1: But it should be fun. It's the most important three 743 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:31,960 Speaker 1: days of any off season for the Green Bay Packers, 744 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:33,960 Speaker 1: so we certainly get geared up for it every year. 745 00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,120 Speaker 1: With that, we'll call it a wrap on this edition 746 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:39,160 Speaker 1: of Packers Unscripted. We will be back with more episodes 747 00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,640 Speaker 1: following the draft to review all the picks and resume 748 00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,960 Speaker 1: all of these discussions. So for Wes, I am Mike, 749 00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:46,520 Speaker 1: thank you for tuning in. Everybody. 750 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:47,759 Speaker 2: We'll see you next time.