Speaker 1: My grandma and your grandma was sitting back the fire.
Speaker 1: My grandma to your grandma. I'm gonna say, Finn, you're
Speaker 1: talking about Hina. I like, go on day Jagomo ding
Speaker 1: dong Let's cultures calling. Oh boy, am I excited for tonight? Now, Matt,
Speaker 1: let me stop you right there before we move on.
Speaker 1: I have to point out something every time whatever might
Speaker 1: you point, Here's what all point. We always say, ding
Speaker 1: dong Let's culture is just calling. You always get the
Speaker 1: first word in bitch. So what you're saying is you
Speaker 1: want to sideline me right now, I'm going to sideline
Speaker 1: you because you've encroached on me. All right, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: let you have your moment. I'm gonna let you have
Speaker 1: a moment to shine because I think everyone could have that,
Speaker 1: and as we all know, I have so many. So
Speaker 1: so um, go ahead, bone and take your space. Well,
Speaker 1: we've got a great show today, We've got the lovely
Speaker 1: Well before we introduce our guest, let's that's. I guess
Speaker 1: why I take the lead is because I really know
Speaker 1: how to do this. I wanted to catch up, like,
Speaker 1: for example, what we might say about this person as
Speaker 1: you've seen them at a Just for Laughs festival in Montreal.
Speaker 1: You've seen him on Conan Good This is a disaster.
Speaker 1: He worked on the new show Problematic with Mosha Kasher.
Speaker 1: You've seen him writing for Billy on the Street, Honey.
Speaker 1: He is in the show that we truly love. Lake
Speaker 1: Homo High will also be um coming back to the
Speaker 1: Annoyance Theater this Saturday night, and were so happy. We're
Speaker 1: so happy to have him. Everyone give a warm ear.
Speaker 1: Welcome to Joe Kim Booster Kim, first time callers time color.
Speaker 1: What a rocky road we've been. Yeah, it's sort of
Speaker 1: been tough because to watch this happen on my watch
Speaker 1: the breakdown of last COO jursas live in trying your eyes.
Speaker 1: Let's just do a headspace track. I'm I have I've
Speaker 1: had a long day, have you? Yeah, Well, what have
Speaker 1: you done today? I know one thing that you did
Speaker 1: because we did it again. We did it together. We
Speaker 1: had a rehearsal, and then I had it. I had
Speaker 1: a fun little meaning and then I had to go
Speaker 1: to the Chinese consulate. This is a second time going
Speaker 1: and it was a disaster as big a disaster as
Speaker 1: the first. Anyway, I have the wrong paperwork. So I'm
Speaker 1: just a little adult by that. Um, so that's where
Speaker 1: I'm at. What about you? Do you need a green
Speaker 1: card marriage? But I do? I would love to Just
Speaker 1: you need a Chinese green card? That, yeah, I'd love
Speaker 1: to make That's what the problem is that you can't
Speaker 1: get back in I can't get into China. But I
Speaker 1: would also funny the tables of turn. I would also
Speaker 1: love just a green card marriage. Just I would love
Speaker 1: to accommodate that for someone else. What was your song, Matt?
Speaker 1: Green card marriage? But oh, I'm gonna get married for
Speaker 1: a green card, because then I'm already American. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: getting married for a green card. But I'm already American.
Speaker 1: I don't need a green card, but I'm getting Megan
Speaker 1: anyway for one good I'm already American. It goes like that.
Speaker 1: But when you know he messed up, you know several
Speaker 1: parts of the melody there. But this is so crazy,
Speaker 1: This is so crazy. Um. Basically, I was thinking while
Speaker 1: you were talking about what one place would I hate
Speaker 1: to be banned from? And it's Universal Studios in Orlando.
Speaker 1: And one time and my sister smoked a blond outside
Speaker 1: the hard rock hotel, and we were very paranoid that
Speaker 1: they would see us and then never allow us to
Speaker 1: just get more Long Island by the second. It's the
Speaker 1: only place that we vacation. I've never been, never ever
Speaker 1: been to. Our Land's unconscionable. You know, I'm not a
Speaker 1: big theme park boy. Um. The only Disney I've ever
Speaker 1: been to is euro Disney. Oh that's that's a farce,
Speaker 1: I know in the wintertime. So it was like doubly sad.
Speaker 1: Oh God, we'll listen. I'm about you enjoy six Flags.
Speaker 1: No I don't. You didn't go. I didn't go, Joe,
Speaker 1: I didn't go. I don't enjoy the six And then
Speaker 1: I was in l A two out on the mountain,
Speaker 1: which is gay six Flags night from six to when
Speaker 1: I am out on the mountain, and I didn't go
Speaker 1: because why not? I don't know. I just like I
Speaker 1: know I will die on a roller coaster, Like I'm
Speaker 1: fully aware that that is That's how I'm going to
Speaker 1: go out, and so I'm just like pushing it, yes away. Well,
Speaker 1: as someone who also doesn't like roller coasters and also
Speaker 1: generally doesn't like six Flags, I do really enjoy Disney
Speaker 1: and end your reversal students had the best time, I know.
Speaker 1: But you're like filming bits and ship like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so that's what we would do, and if we would,
Speaker 1: if you were to go together, I'm gonna go to
Speaker 1: Shanghai Disney, and guys, everyone in the mainland is freaking
Speaker 1: out there saying don't go, don't go. Kids are taking
Speaker 1: ships in the in the side, in the streets. I
Speaker 1: heard about this, taking ships in the fucking mainstream USA.
Speaker 1: What is that? That's what in China, like in a
Speaker 1: lot of the rural areas, it's just like what you do,
Speaker 1: like they so so for little kids like these butt
Speaker 1: pockets that they can just unbutton in the flap and
Speaker 1: just like taking like squat in the street and just
Speaker 1: take a home on rural China, that's it. Um so yeah,
Speaker 1: Shanghai Disney is just a literal ship storm. Where would
Speaker 1: you joke, Kim Booster never want to be banned from?
Speaker 1: What would break your heart if they said you can
Speaker 1: never return, never go again? Um, that's like hard. I
Speaker 1: don't like a lot of places. Have you been to Provincetown? Oh?
Speaker 1: I guess like Fire Island If you're from Chicago, which
Speaker 1: you wouldn't be. But no, I mean pathetically, hypothetically. I
Speaker 1: love Chicago, but I here we go. But if I
Speaker 1: were banned at this point, it would just be like
Speaker 1: your last man fired. No. I like, truly, Chicago is
Speaker 1: better in many ways than like any other city in
Speaker 1: the world. Your favorite of the Big Three? Um, I'm
Speaker 1: calling them the Big literally no one else ever you
Speaker 1: know the Big Three? Houston, Chicago? No, you know what?
Speaker 1: You know what? My favorite city is San Francisco. Okay,
Speaker 1: I prefer San Francisco, but I have never lived there,
Speaker 1: so it's maybe not a great Maybe I don't really
Speaker 1: know San Francisco. Haven't had that look. Yeah, I haven't
Speaker 1: had that looking experience. I went to San Francisco, and
Speaker 1: my bit the whole time I was in San Francisco
Speaker 1: is like, where's the looking walking Tour? I want to
Speaker 1: see all the famous locations and from where's the ampartment
Speaker 1: where Jonathan Graff got his asshole licked? In the seminole?
Speaker 1: One good episode of this show. Here's the here's the
Speaker 1: woods where they had the baccanala yea the season forget
Speaker 1: the season to opener, Honey, No, I like I like, um,
Speaker 1: I like the expansiveness of New York a lot more.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing. Here's my thing about Chicago is I
Speaker 1: love my community in Chicago. That like, my my people
Speaker 1: in Chicago are amazing and like that's what makes the city. Um.
Speaker 1: And it's like much cleaner and buses are more tenable
Speaker 1: than in any other city in the world. Like the
Speaker 1: buses are like fucking luxury in Chicago. Um. But I
Speaker 1: do find like you can go to Chicago, specifically in
Speaker 1: the North Side of Chicago and walk around and not
Speaker 1: see a person of color for an hour. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: is like and it's it's just the segregation of it all,
Speaker 1: which is like I find difficult. Um. Hyper segregation is
Speaker 1: what some sociologists call it, because it's so specific to Chicago.
Speaker 1: It's so segregated, it is very strange. I mean, I
Speaker 1: guess it's like it's such a weird thing though, because
Speaker 1: like I like people would be like, well, that's your
Speaker 1: fault for living on the North Side. But if I
Speaker 1: moved to the South Side, they'd be like, you're gentrifying,
Speaker 1: Like there's no way for me to win in that situation. Um,
Speaker 1: But I think I just prefer New York cities go. Um.
Speaker 1: I don't love Los Angeles and I think you think
Speaker 1: it's trash. No, I actually don't think it's trash anymore.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing. Like I hated Los Angeles when I
Speaker 1: first went. I only started going to Los Angeles a year,
Speaker 1: like basically a year ago. It was the first time
Speaker 1: I've ever met um and it is not an easy
Speaker 1: city to visit whereas, but now I think I've been
Speaker 1: this year. In twos and sixteen, I have been every
Speaker 1: month except for February, I've been in Los Angeles, um.
Speaker 1: But and so like now that I'm like, they're a
Speaker 1: lot more, it is like, Okay, the city is way
Speaker 1: easier to live in than New York because you got
Speaker 1: your people out there. Now. Yeah, now I have people
Speaker 1: out there and friends and like I know my spots.
Speaker 1: Like the first time I went to l A, it's
Speaker 1: just so hard to find like a non chain to
Speaker 1: go to. Like you really, I literally spent like four
Speaker 1: days in the Barnes and Noble, uh, like in the growth.
Speaker 1: That's that's where I would go in between meetings. And
Speaker 1: like I was just constantly to everyone. I was like,
Speaker 1: who says l A doesn't have culture? Have you seen
Speaker 1: the Barnes and Noble at the Grove. But it is
Speaker 1: weird because it is actually like quite gorgeous. There's a
Speaker 1: balcon and the Barnes and Noble at the grove that
Speaker 1: overlooks this like mountains, and you feel like you're in
Speaker 1: Greece and you're standing in fucking Barnes and Noble. That's
Speaker 1: gonna be the first place I got. You gotta go
Speaker 1: to the Barnes. You will love it. Long Island, I'm sure.
Speaker 1: And look any nice chain. I still get wet for
Speaker 1: cheesecake factory. My mom says we're going there. I still
Speaker 1: get wet for cheesecake factory. But my thing is like,
Speaker 1: now I'm there and like I know, like the stupid
Speaker 1: shitty like coffee shops and like that I can go
Speaker 1: to and hang out. What's that one coffee shop in
Speaker 1: in Silver Lake that like I ran into three different
Speaker 1: New York people who are all writers in l a
Speaker 1: now and it was just such a weird, Like I
Speaker 1: saw that bragging and then I saw I saw the
Speaker 1: guy who plays Jonah and Veep, and I was like, god,
Speaker 1: this is like I feel like I um, it's by
Speaker 1: ak Bar. It's like close. Oh so that's where like
Speaker 1: Los Felis. Then it's um, it's corrected. You Actually, I
Speaker 1: have no no vocabulary or knowledge for any of these neighbors.
Speaker 1: Silver Lake and Echo Park are a thing that are
Speaker 1: close together. I seriously I'm panicked. So for the for
Speaker 1: listeners who don't know, Bowen and I are going out
Speaker 1: to Los Angeles, and I'm It's just been revealed to
Speaker 1: me that I'm going to be out there two weeks
Speaker 1: prior to Bowen mid October, and I truly anxious because
Speaker 1: I just really wanted a friend to be with me
Speaker 1: every second of the time. And I'm being such a
Speaker 1: baby about this, like I'll go and I'll be fine
Speaker 1: have friends there, I know, but you'll make camp friends
Speaker 1: very quickly because you're doing You're doing Did you say
Speaker 1: that you're doing the CBS Diversity show. We are doing
Speaker 1: the CBS Diversity Showcase. The diversity that you hear out
Speaker 1: here on the podcast is coming to the stage. And
Speaker 1: I'm nervous about it because I basically why, we don't
Speaker 1: know anyone that's going to be in the thing that
Speaker 1: we're doing. But I'm assuming we'll know like some friendly faces.
Speaker 1: But I'm but I'm really more just nervous because as
Speaker 1: I was walking here, you know where we record this podcast,
Speaker 1: very nearby to where Boone and I went to college
Speaker 1: to university, and it's like, I truly feel like I
Speaker 1: grew up here, and it feels like a college two
Speaker 1: point note type thing where I do feel a l
Speaker 1: anxious about it, but I know it'll be fine. I
Speaker 1: have the same anxieties talking to someone, I have the
Speaker 1: same anxieties about this as I did, and it sounds
Speaker 1: very silly about college. I was like, oh, I'm leaving
Speaker 1: this very familiar. Wow, you just said the same thing
Speaker 1: that I know. But I'm saying like it's oh my god,
Speaker 1: oh my god, we're both feeling the same way about it,
Speaker 1: and it's not a coincidence. Yeah. I just pictured us
Speaker 1: getting off the plane at l a X together like
Speaker 1: with a dream in a card again, like two hands
Speaker 1: in the air, like welcome in the club, like fan excess.
Speaker 1: That would have been fun. You know. I think I
Speaker 1: felt that way a lot about moving to New York.
Speaker 1: And I had already been like a fully realized adult
Speaker 1: for four years in Chicago, and I still felt that
Speaker 1: way in New York. So why they moved to New
Speaker 1: York just to like started to start your career. Well,
Speaker 1: here's the thing. So I so I started doing stand
Speaker 1: up like technically, I guess five years ago or so, yeah, technically,
Speaker 1: but I did not know how to do it right.
Speaker 1: And I was so I come from a theater background
Speaker 1: in Chicago. I was acting, I was writing, I was producing,
Speaker 1: I was doing it all. He was getting his place published. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and a book shop may have some book shop Samuel French,
Speaker 1: you know, just on Amazon though you can find it. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, yeah, please get it ready, but no, it's
Speaker 1: um so. And I was just like really frustrated at
Speaker 1: a certain point because I get called in to be
Speaker 1: a Chinese food delivery boy. I think like the in
Speaker 1: two thousand and twelve when I when I was in
Speaker 1: the last years in Chicago, I got called in five
Speaker 1: different times across many different mediums, movies, television, commercials, all
Speaker 1: of it industrials all um. And I just like it
Speaker 1: was like such a master of nun situation because I
Speaker 1: was with the same dudes. And I just remember this
Speaker 1: one guy who I was like, yeah, but we're just
Speaker 1: like paying our dudes, and like, you know, we play
Speaker 1: a Chinese food delivery boy today and then we get
Speaker 1: to be stars tomorrow. And he was like, oh, you're
Speaker 1: an idiot. Um. Like He's like, I've been doing this
Speaker 1: for ten years. This is where it starts and ends
Speaker 1: for us, Like we get to play Chinese food delivery boys,
Speaker 1: or like you know, the fucking scientists in the crime
Speaker 1: lab who explained sperm or like an I T guy
Speaker 1: who gets to explain deep Web to a detective. He's like,
Speaker 1: those are the three. So did that guy really like
Speaker 1: give you an epiphany? Well, yeah, no, I definitely did.
Speaker 1: It was sent me first into spiraling into like an
Speaker 1: existential crisis, and then I was like what do I do?
Speaker 1: And I was working as a writing assistant on a
Speaker 1: play at the time called Five Lesbians Eating a Quiche,
Speaker 1: which has since played off Broadway and Snapple Theater Center
Speaker 1: It Center Center. But anyways, this comedian best selling, uh
Speaker 1: some of you might have heard it was the lead
Speaker 1: in that play at the time, and I remember on
Speaker 1: a break, she just like you just to stand up. Um,
Speaker 1: you write and you perform, and like that's truly like
Speaker 1: stand up. Like half the battle is just being comfortable
Speaker 1: on stage and saying nonsense. Um, people are gonna be
Speaker 1: so mad at me for saying that I don't know,
Speaker 1: but um yeah, And so I did stand up like
Speaker 1: once that summer, and then didn't do it again for
Speaker 1: another like three months, and then didn't do it again
Speaker 1: for another five months, and then like so that first
Speaker 1: year that I did stand up, it was like I
Speaker 1: was just bad at it because I was like still like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'll be a playwright, and like I was like still
Speaker 1: trying to and it's hard because like in comedy, you
Speaker 1: have to hang out and you like have to be
Speaker 1: fully immersed in the community and this isn't so weird,
Speaker 1: but like I couldn't do that in Chicago because all
Speaker 1: of my friends were in theater and I was like,
Speaker 1: I just like all the event, like everything I wanted
Speaker 1: to do was so centered around like being with my people,
Speaker 1: and it was so hard for me to spend enough
Speaker 1: time in the comedy community to not feel like an
Speaker 1: interloper like it was. And like my my comedy career
Speaker 1: in Chicago was so weird because I did not come
Speaker 1: up in like clubs are doing open mics, like I
Speaker 1: did not know I was supposed to be doing open
Speaker 1: mics at all, um and so every time I did
Speaker 1: stand up, I would do I thought you couldn't rehearse
Speaker 1: or recycled materials, so I just wrote ten minutes of
Speaker 1: new material every time I went up, which was a disaster,
Speaker 1: but I would do things like I opened, uh this
Speaker 1: show at Stepping Wolf called We Three Liza's, which is
Speaker 1: a Christmas Carol but with Liza and Elle's. Uh, lies
Speaker 1: of of present, lies of future, lines of paths. That's great.
Speaker 1: I'm a team's like Chicago is in this like weird
Speaker 1: road where it's plays are I'll have numbers and some
Speaker 1: gay elements. It's truly. I mean, that's why Chicago. You
Speaker 1: heard it here, baby um bone just started a feud
Speaker 1: with the city. Come at me, but no, I still,
Speaker 1: long story short, I moved to New York principally because
Speaker 1: I was like, I want to do stand up, um
Speaker 1: so I just need to hit the reset but it
Speaker 1: and go to a city where I could just do
Speaker 1: stand up and nobody knows me. And it was like
Speaker 1: very effective because I moved here with like very few
Speaker 1: friends and I just did open mics and like stand
Speaker 1: up comedy bullshit for the first year, like and it
Speaker 1: is awful and like tiring, but where you are just
Speaker 1: like wild of me to say, But did your friends
Speaker 1: in Chicago that because you were in a more theatrical
Speaker 1: I guess setting, and those were your people were more
Speaker 1: theatrical people. Do you feel that they took themselves a
Speaker 1: little bit more seriously than you wanted to know? Not
Speaker 1: at all, because like the storefront scene in Chicago is
Speaker 1: like so like gritty and like it like just like
Speaker 1: down to earth, Like it's just like the best place.
Speaker 1: Like if I ever were to write another play, I
Speaker 1: would only wanted to go up in Chicago. That's the
Speaker 1: other thing, Like, um, theater New York sucks. There's I
Speaker 1: just think there's like a huge gap between like Broadway
Speaker 1: off Broadway and then like some of the like sort
Speaker 1: of indie theater I've seen in New York has just
Speaker 1: been really bad, just like god awful. Um, and whereas
Speaker 1: in Chicago, like it's hard to find bad theater, like
Speaker 1: there's just so much of it, and like you know,
Speaker 1: I did so much store Front, which is like you
Speaker 1: could get paid fifteen bucks a show, and like you know,
Speaker 1: it's all new, and it's just like I never felt
Speaker 1: the same casting restraints that I felt on the screen
Speaker 1: because I was like, I played a soldier and a
Speaker 1: frat guy and like all different kinds of craziness. Like
Speaker 1: at my time, I played an autistic accountant on Rollerblades.
Speaker 1: That's deep. Yeah, absolutely, you go favorite. So in a way,
Speaker 1: it's like New York was the perfect place for you
Speaker 1: to ditch the whole theater back, because it's like, well,
Speaker 1: you don't you wouldn't even want to be involved. Well
Speaker 1: I wouldn't, yeah, and I wouldn't know. I actually don't
Speaker 1: understand how people do theater in New York. I mean,
Speaker 1: most of the people I went to theater school, and
Speaker 1: most of people I know who are working in theater
Speaker 1: who live in New York are working out of town.
Speaker 1: Like nobody I know is working I've done I've done
Speaker 1: one play here and it was the manager I used
Speaker 1: to have before, the one I have now was sending
Speaker 1: me out on a lot of theatrical things and it
Speaker 1: was so god awful. And I think of the reason why,
Speaker 1: And this is not a slight to anybody, but like
Speaker 1: I think the reason why it's kind of not good
Speaker 1: and why we're not connecting with it is because everyone
Speaker 1: that's like really a lot of people. Most people this
Speaker 1: is a generalization, Like note that before I say this,
Speaker 1: but there's a lot of like older people writing the
Speaker 1: theater here, like and they're not really in touch with
Speaker 1: well I think, well, I think it's just like the
Speaker 1: barrier to entry in New York is so much higher
Speaker 1: to work and to like get in. Like I started
Speaker 1: a theater company in Chicago the first year out of school,
Speaker 1: and it was like easy, not easy. It wasn't easy,
Speaker 1: but like there's just like I never felt like, oh
Speaker 1: I had to like pay my dues before like things
Speaker 1: started to happen for me in that world. It's just
Speaker 1: like everyone is doing their own thing. Like there's just
Speaker 1: so many like backyard theaters that actually produce like such
Speaker 1: legit work that like you, it's insane. Coming out of school,
Speaker 1: it's easier too, Like we're going to start off a
Speaker 1: little hony are like when we were like we're going
Speaker 1: to do our musical sketch comedy group, and that's going
Speaker 1: to be the only thing we do right out of
Speaker 1: like would not have happened. Well, that's the other thing
Speaker 1: is like I don't understand how anybody didn't go to
Speaker 1: school in the city and then comes out of school
Speaker 1: and then works in the city. It seems like I wouldn't.
Speaker 1: I would have. If I would have moved to New
Speaker 1: York after college, I would have been swallowed. I would
Speaker 1: have I don't. I don't know. I'd be like not
Speaker 1: be doing anything in entertainment or at all. Probably. I
Speaker 1: mean a lot of people that went to school and
Speaker 1: at NYU with us aren't doing this anymore either. It's
Speaker 1: it's bizarre. It's very interesting. I I kind of I
Speaker 1: feel like I was kind of swallowed alive by New
Speaker 1: York after graduation because maybe the move into Brooklyn. And
Speaker 1: this sounds so like it sounds so weak and so dumb,
Speaker 1: but like I just it traumatized me. I was like,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, this is like the real and then
Speaker 1: you moved into Brooklyn, Brooklyn me like not not finding
Speaker 1: a job, me pulling my applications from at school out,
Speaker 1: and then me being like, I guess I have to
Speaker 1: temp and I tempt my god, you are Hannah Horvav
Speaker 1: I'm here. Oh my god, Lena Dunham really did she
Speaker 1: She has a finger on the fucking pulse of our generation.
Speaker 1: And what I did, like I just still do. I
Speaker 1: like girls. I know that's a very contentious thing to
Speaker 1: say this last season was really good. You can you
Speaker 1: can say that Girls is great while also acknowledging that
Speaker 1: Lena Donna says some dumb Here's my thing though, a
Speaker 1: lot of people criticize Girls and they're like, oh, they're
Speaker 1: so awful, and like Lena doesn't understand that they're awful,
Speaker 1: and I find that to be wrong. I think it's no.
Speaker 1: You were fully supposed to hate these people and like
Speaker 1: be annoyed by them. They're all like fully And in fact,
Speaker 1: I think that is the problem of why Looking didn't work,
Speaker 1: is that Looking did not have enough of a handle
Speaker 1: on when their characters were supposed to be unlikable and
Speaker 1: when they were supposed to be like time. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: agree with that. I just didn't see anything in the
Speaker 1: Jonathan Groff character that I could really relate to, Like
Speaker 1: I don't. I guess I understood it. But remember the
Speaker 1: first episode I watched, I was being so basic and
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, I'm him, he's me,
Speaker 1: he's me, Like what do I do? Like now I
Speaker 1: can't write my experience because someone did it. He's made.
Speaker 1: And then like all of a sudden, he was like
Speaker 1: he was like thirty one on the show, and he's like, wait,
Speaker 1: what's anal my Dom, who's like maybe the most likable
Speaker 1: character on that show doesn't have a personality or right,
Speaker 1: but like literally, if you ask a fan of the
Speaker 1: show to be like, tell me about Dom the character,
Speaker 1: and they're like, he wants to open a restaurant and
Speaker 1: he's best friends with Doris, And that's where it ends,
Speaker 1: like there's nothing beyond he the waiter. He ye want Yeah?
Speaker 1: Who got with Scott Bacula who is my first child? Yes? Yes? Also,
Speaker 1: can I tell you, like, what's so annoying about people
Speaker 1: with looking pretending that Doris was the best character. I'm like,
Speaker 1: get out of here, Like you've never seen a character
Speaker 1: like this before. She's stocked. Hey, I'm the tough talking
Speaker 1: best friend. Alright, come on, I'm I'm I'm straight. I'm
Speaker 1: with these faggots Like I can say that, get because
Speaker 1: I'm who I am. Bitches, watch Cheers and that's Carla.
Speaker 1: That's sucking. That's Carla. It's a Perlman mixed with grace
Speaker 1: and like, oh god, I feel so shitty, like shifting
Speaker 1: up show that like is not even on the air anyone,
Speaker 1: Just like I haven't even seen the movie yet. Um,
Speaker 1: but like the fact that they did not have a
Speaker 1: single Asian gay character on that San Francisco is outrageous
Speaker 1: because that's where we are there. They had they had
Speaker 1: Andrew last character on the show. It was a gay
Speaker 1: Asian comedian who is a brilliant gay Asian comedian, and
Speaker 1: they had him play the straight best friend, which is
Speaker 1: so annoying. He was in like three episodes, and I
Speaker 1: thought that he'd be on the show more. It was
Speaker 1: I was crazy to me. It was so bizarre. You're right,
Speaker 1: because go to San Francisco and try and throw a
Speaker 1: fucking rock without hitting an Asian person, like it's it's
Speaker 1: you just can't do it, and like it's so weird.
Speaker 1: And that's the thing, Like you, I don't want diversity
Speaker 1: for diversity's sake, but if you want to talk about
Speaker 1: putting a place, putting a show in a in a
Speaker 1: real setting and having to be grounded, then you can't
Speaker 1: pick San Francisco. If you want your cats to be
Speaker 1: lily white, then put it in Ohio. Don't put it
Speaker 1: in San Francisco. Put it in Columbus. Let's put looking
Speaker 1: in Collisi. So I remember I remember when Looking got canceled,
Speaker 1: there was like a bunch of gays that were like
Speaker 1: on Twitter and Facebook being like, um, not for nothing.
Speaker 1: But I don't know why we're cheering this. We just
Speaker 1: lost a show that was about gay men. It was
Speaker 1: for us, and like it failed and now they're not
Speaker 1: going to make shows like it anymore. And it was like, no,
Speaker 1: because I don't want a gay show on the air
Speaker 1: just because it's gay, and it's just because and also
Speaker 1: we're allowed to criticize it and critique it and want
Speaker 1: it to be good. Here is my thing. Like with
Speaker 1: people who liked Looking, and like, I kind of see
Speaker 1: where they're coming from with that, because I'm sort of
Speaker 1: going through the same thing with Finding Prince Charming, which
Speaker 1: I'll get into. But I wish I wish we lived
Speaker 1: in a landscape we're looking was It's it's unfair to Looking.
Speaker 1: It's actually really unfair to Looking that we are all
Speaker 1: projecting our own ones and needs on this show because
Speaker 1: it is the it is the only show. I wish
Speaker 1: we lived in a world where they're we're looking tod
Speaker 1: it just exists and we could all ignore it and
Speaker 1: would be fine because there's so many other options for us,
Speaker 1: like because like a lot of people who like looking
Speaker 1: who hated the criticism would be like, well, don't watch it.
Speaker 1: And it's like, actually, though, like if I want to
Speaker 1: see a gay person on screen, this is the only
Speaker 1: option for me right now, So I can't not watch it.
Speaker 1: I wish I could find another option also to like
Speaker 1: probably the closest thing that we have to like someone
Speaker 1: that's going to fill that kind of romantic comedy lead
Speaker 1: would be Jonathan no And I I really wanted that
Speaker 1: show to succeed because I love him. I've spoken about
Speaker 1: this on the show before. I but then I think
Speaker 1: he's so fucking talented and that show had all this
Speaker 1: had all like had all the right stars in line,
Speaker 1: like just everything aligned nicely. But Leam Michelle never came out.
Speaker 1: And I will never forgive it just what it was
Speaker 1: flat for me. It wasn't. I don't think it was
Speaker 1: aggressively bad. I just think it was flat. And I
Speaker 1: think because it was the only one, like it's fun
Speaker 1: to like to pile on um, but I and I
Speaker 1: do think that like there is a problem when like
Speaker 1: we are so loud in our criticism sometimes when it
Speaker 1: does like it gets a little like we we gotta
Speaker 1: like gay people exist in television, like in ways even
Speaker 1: sometimes we don't, like I don't think that we should
Speaker 1: not criticially, not criticize, but sometimes it's like this show
Speaker 1: shouldn't be on, like with Finding Prince Charming. I gotta
Speaker 1: tell you guys, it's I'm not a good show. It's
Speaker 1: a fun show. You gotta watch. It is the silliest
Speaker 1: It is the silliest stuff, and it's so transparent and
Speaker 1: like they think they're pulling one over on you, but
Speaker 1: it's so transparent. It's like trash, but it's like trash
Speaker 1: in the same way The Bachelor is trash. It's no
Speaker 1: different or worse. And like it is like there's this
Speaker 1: like sort of narrative going on on gay Twitter where
Speaker 1: like all these gay men are like I'm home phobic
Speaker 1: now after watching the show, like like look at and
Speaker 1: it's like, well, let's just stop congratulating ourselves for being
Speaker 1: above watching this show, like we get it, like you're
Speaker 1: better than the people on this show, um, and like
Speaker 1: but it's just like just enjoy like just for that.
Speaker 1: That's what it is. That kind of thing. It's like
Speaker 1: you can take it or leave it. It's not HBO,
Speaker 1: it's fucking logo, it's not aflding anybody. So I don't
Speaker 1: think it's damaging the community totally. I do have a
Speaker 1: lot of problems with I have a question about it
Speaker 1: just in terms of like how the game gets played
Speaker 1: on finding pressing and again I have not watched even
Speaker 1: the second of it. What's why? What is it about
Speaker 1: the bachelor that makes them all interested in him and
Speaker 1: not each other? So that's that's what it plays with it,
Speaker 1: that is all. And here's no, it doesn't actually I
Speaker 1: mean in the first episode, like it was mingling with
Speaker 1: all the others. That was a really fun part. They
Speaker 1: didn't reveal who the bachelor was, like at a certain
Speaker 1: pointing episodes and he's like actually I am the bachelor, um,
Speaker 1: and I'll put their hands on the person. That was fun.
Speaker 1: But now like they are really trying to like push
Speaker 1: this narrative like they're all so into Robber and not
Speaker 1: into each other, and like there's like weird. I mean,
Speaker 1: they're just like there's such characters and like it is
Speaker 1: this is my thing with fighting Prince Charming. That is
Speaker 1: so interesting though, is that like there's no there's very
Speaker 1: little self awareness of what the gay community is like,
Speaker 1: because here's the thing. Let's be real, Um, none of
Speaker 1: those black guys are gonna make it to the end. Uh.
Speaker 1: But meanwhile, like the black guys and um, I mean Dali,
Speaker 1: but like I was watching the clips where they enter
Speaker 1: each other they introduced themselves and like they were the
Speaker 1: only ones who seemed sane. We totally and one of
Speaker 1: them is like the hottest guy in the house. And
Speaker 1: then also they have like varying body types on the show,
Speaker 1: which is like I get what they're doing in theory,
Speaker 1: but it's so kind of sending to it to like
Speaker 1: not to just be like, yeah, these guys have just
Speaker 1: as much of a chance with this beautiful like model
Speaker 1: like chiseled, hard rock body guy as these other guys.
Speaker 1: Like in the second episode, this like little twink, they
Speaker 1: like play a volleyball game to like compete to see
Speaker 1: who goes on a one on one date with him. Um,
Speaker 1: and this like beautiful like Twinkye boy goes on this
Speaker 1: perfume date with him and it's like no more obnoxious
Speaker 1: than anything that's ever happened on The Bachelor. Chel And
Speaker 1: then he gets to choose who goes on the next
Speaker 1: perfume date. What's that like choose a scent together, and
Speaker 1: then he gets to go back to the house and
Speaker 1: choose who gets to go on the next one on
Speaker 1: one date with him, and of course he picks the
Speaker 1: last bear guy that's standing. He's like, I just know that,
Speaker 1: like you haven't had a chance to come out of
Speaker 1: your shell yet with Robert, and I really I think
Speaker 1: you deserve the date. And it's like, bitch, you're picking
Speaker 1: the like the least likely competition in this house. And
Speaker 1: sure enough that guy goes home. Uh in that episode
Speaker 1: because the Bachelor spends all the entire date talking about
Speaker 1: another guy with this this like bear dude, and it's
Speaker 1: like and it's like never address and like I wish
Speaker 1: if they if they have like a like another layer
Speaker 1: of like self awareness about like yeah, aren't gay men
Speaker 1: like like so like into like into image and image
Speaker 1: in physique in the same like in the same way
Speaker 1: like the Bachelor is like it's just like trying to
Speaker 1: like shoehorn in like like no, that dude is gonna
Speaker 1: go for like a hot porn looking like white dude,
Speaker 1: because that's what happens in the real world. And like
Speaker 1: if we could just accept that, I would enjoy the
Speaker 1: show so much more even though I hate it. It's
Speaker 1: like such a weird conflicting emotion while watching the show.
Speaker 1: See I'm like, tell me, what's going on? I just
Speaker 1: don't know, Like how many family they went through before
Speaker 1: they landed. Probably Neil Patrick Harris wouldn't do Oh of
Speaker 1: course he was like no, thank you. Ricky Martin was
Speaker 1: like no, Matthew Bombers like thank you? Who is or
Speaker 1: they first? Maybe they did, you know what? Knowing they
Speaker 1: probably did. He's bad. I mean, he's bad. He he
Speaker 1: brings nothing to the show. I think he's actually charisma lesque.
Speaker 1: I think I think there's not And did you know
Speaker 1: that this is a true fact. Back in the day
Speaker 1: when instinct was at their height, they made like barbies
Speaker 1: out of instinct, like they were like dolls, and he
Speaker 1: was the most popular doll. But meanwhile, Lance Bass was
Speaker 1: the least. I mean, I mean, yeah, it's a low base.
Speaker 1: I mean friend of the show, Guy Brandham like said
Speaker 1: it best like Lance or no, it wasn't even guy
Speaker 1: random said I can't believe I'm attributing this guy. But no,
Speaker 1: but like somebody said, like thank god, Lance came out
Speaker 1: as gay because like if he didn't, like, no one
Speaker 1: would actually it might have been guy, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: take this all out. But just say somebody said, can
Speaker 1: I remember? Can I say? I? I was in Universal
Speaker 1: Studios one time and I saw Joey Fatone with his
Speaker 1: wife and his daughter was on his shoulders and they
Speaker 1: were walking through this crowd and no one knew it
Speaker 1: was him but me, And I'm like, this is surreal,
Speaker 1: Like we're standing next to one of the biggest pop
Speaker 1: stars of the last two decades, and this is a
Speaker 1: person that like millions and millions and millions of girls
Speaker 1: like screamed for end gays and boys, um like, and
Speaker 1: he was just like totally existing. And I'm sure just
Speaker 1: like and I'm sure rather that. I'm sure he'd rather that.
Speaker 1: But I mean, well, I mean you know who, really
Speaker 1: I feel like probably is the most b I A T. T. E.
Speaker 1: R Is because he was genuinely talented and then like
Speaker 1: I think, so incredibly hot, and his career just didn't go.
Speaker 1: He was the Kelly. He was the Kelly to Justin's Fionce. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess so. But Kelly Rowland, you could argue as
Speaker 1: quite hosts something though. He was on America's Next Best
Speaker 1: Dance Crew that and he he was on there with
Speaker 1: Little Mama, Little Mama, who said things like you always
Speaker 1: you're You're amazing. You always ceased to amaze me. You
Speaker 1: are the train, you are the train on the tracks,
Speaker 1: and you are what I love about you was your beautiful.
Speaker 1: You didn't know that and you dance beautiful. Thank you
Speaker 1: so much? How okay, wow, Little Mama, Little Mama. I
Speaker 1: used to get my life to lip glosses popping. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I used to sit next to this girl. I had
Speaker 1: computer information processing class where they taught us the type
Speaker 1: fast and they sat me on the other side of
Speaker 1: the room, away from all my friends, and I made
Speaker 1: friends with this like his spanner girl who was like
Speaker 1: three years older than Mary. Her name was Jasmine, and
Speaker 1: she was like she introduced me to to to artists
Speaker 1: Little Mama and Joe Joe. She said, this girl was
Speaker 1: thirteen years old. Changed your life, she should change my life.
Speaker 1: I often wonder where that girl is. Jojo just had
Speaker 1: another single come out recently, Not Joe Joe, Jasmine, the
Speaker 1: other diabok. Her name was Jasmine Rodriguez. I'm not only
Speaker 1: to look up Jasmine Rodriguez probably find quite you got
Speaker 1: to bleep out her name. You can't be done, you know,
Speaker 1: I want to know where are you, Jasmine, Joe? Where
Speaker 1: are you? Christmas? Jojo made me real self conscious when
Speaker 1: she blew up, because I was like, this is a
Speaker 1: girl who's my age, who's so famous? Yeah, why am
Speaker 1: I not famous? You want to be a doctor. At
Speaker 1: that point, well, at that point I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I just saw the high school production of Hello Dolly,
Speaker 1: I want to be a musical theater. Musical theater star.
Speaker 1: Sudie Green famously has revealed that when she first saw
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift, she said, oh my god, it's the new
Speaker 1: Joe Joe. This is years ago. It's the new It's
Speaker 1: every way. How many times do you think Faith Hill
Speaker 1: took Taylor Swift aside, was like, don't crossover, girl, it's
Speaker 1: not going to go well. And Taylor was like, thanks, Faith,
Speaker 1: you know she's one that fell right off Shill. There
Speaker 1: was Faith Hill, and then there was Carrie Underwood, and
Speaker 1: then there was Taylor Swift, and there's always been Martina
Speaker 1: McBride and of Cockroach of Country and Shania Famously, who
Speaker 1: was in the first Diva's concert in hindsight looks just
Speaker 1: like so outrageous, like what are you doing there? Let
Speaker 1: me tell you, sometimes, Sudy and I will just get
Speaker 1: totally stoned and watch the Diva's Life where in the
Speaker 1: entire crowd is stopping with sweat, fanning themselves with their programs.
Speaker 1: Because I read the Franklin famously said the a c
Speaker 1: will not go on. She's she said, this is a
Speaker 1: night about me, the Queen of soul, and there will
Speaker 1: be no air conditioning. I don't care what anyone says.
Speaker 1: It's bad for your voice, that form and what sorts
Speaker 1: of parts did you get in high school? Oh, here
Speaker 1: we go, speaking of fucking type cansting. Uh, as you
Speaker 1: were talking about earlier, I got like the like the
Speaker 1: comedic roles, which is fun, but then my scene. Okay,
Speaker 1: so here's a whole saga for you guys. There was
Speaker 1: the dance teacher who would come in every year to
Speaker 1: direct the huge musical show each year. Meanwhile the drama
Speaker 1: teacher direct like the regular plays. Uh. And she was
Speaker 1: just no nonsense, very strict like. And I admired that.
Speaker 1: At first. I was like, great, I love I love her.
Speaker 1: I'll just say her name, Miss would. I love miss
Speaker 1: which she is so like she's there, she's there to work,
Speaker 1: she wants to like make us better performers. I love her.
Speaker 1: So freshman year we do Once upon a mattress and
Speaker 1: my first audition, like in any kind of setting, and
Speaker 1: like they give you the sheet, like with the form
Speaker 1: that says, um here the here are the roles, um
Speaker 1: check anything that check any roles that you will not accept,
Speaker 1: and then meanwhile, next to each role, there was also
Speaker 1: like a line for understudy, like a box for understudy.
Speaker 1: So I was just like, oh, well, I guess it'd
Speaker 1: be bad to be an understudy. I guess I want
Speaker 1: to show that, like I want to really be involved.
Speaker 1: So I checked not understudy all the way down the form,
Speaker 1: and then miss Wood had to put like after my audition,
Speaker 1: she she pulled me aside. She was like, Hi, there
Speaker 1: was a really good bowen. Um okay, so you're a freshman,
Speaker 1: I go, yep, go oh, just just so you know, um,
Speaker 1: you know, normally normally you you would you would and
Speaker 1: this is your first show, you would sort of have
Speaker 1: to like open yourself up to like a chorus part
Speaker 1: or whatever, and this and this and this, and I
Speaker 1: just felt so embarrassed. And then she really just and
Speaker 1: I apologized profuse. I was like, oh my god, I'm
Speaker 1: so sorry. I'm so sorry. I don't mean to seem
Speaker 1: like I'm I only want the lead roles. And so
Speaker 1: she sort of carried with her this this this image
Speaker 1: of me where I was just this huge diva. And
Speaker 1: then like and then meanwhile I would diligently, I was
Speaker 1: doing little. She was dead, she didn't know she had
Speaker 1: clocked you earlier. It keeps going because here here's what happens.
Speaker 1: I mean, I followed your year after year. It follow
Speaker 1: the year after year. So fresh freshman year was once
Speaker 1: upon a mattress was a chorus member, just put in
Speaker 1: the work, did a great job in the work. I
Speaker 1: put in the work space for himself, had seed honey.
Speaker 1: And then sophomore was Crazy for You, which is juke Box,
Speaker 1: the musical of Gershman songs. You play you know, Oh great,
Speaker 1: I'm biding my time. What a hot name. It's a
Speaker 1: good play. It's a musical. It's pretty solid. Um and
Speaker 1: and so I think I got like some small speaking part.
Speaker 1: It was fun. And Junior was when things really there
Speaker 1: was a huge fallout. Um, we were doing Barnum, which
Speaker 1: just what a bullshit musical, and then Barnum and then
Speaker 1: like I was just really busy with my academic baccalaureate
Speaker 1: program called the International Bacalori Program, which into your junior
Speaker 1: year had a lot of had like a thousand page
Speaker 1: paper to write every week, and for a high school
Speaker 1: that's like traumatic, and so UM was really spread thin.
Speaker 1: And then ms Wood thought that I wasn't committing enough
Speaker 1: time to the musical, so she asked me to leave
Speaker 1: the show, which I'm still I still think it's like
Speaker 1: actually traumatic today I think about that. And then it
Speaker 1: was a really bad falling out, Like she had this
Speaker 1: really long conversation. She sat me down in her office
Speaker 1: and was like this, I don't Oh my god, what
Speaker 1: a horrible bit, Like like she was like so full
Speaker 1: of power AND's like if you don't come, if you're
Speaker 1: not committed to the fucking high school play and now
Speaker 1: your academics, you gotta get out. What the hell? So
Speaker 1: those huge falling out And meanwhile, my choir teacher, Mr.
Speaker 1: Grant was always like a champion for me. Love that
Speaker 1: love the guy still um. And then I was like
Speaker 1: you you know what, I think. I think the story
Speaker 1: will end well for both of you. And so senior year,
Speaker 1: he really pushed for me to like make amends, which
Speaker 1: the onus wasn't necessarily on me a fucking seventeen year old.
Speaker 1: Oh go up to an adult and be like hi,
Speaker 1: um I guess I was. I was out of line
Speaker 1: this way, and like it's totally inappropriate. So anyway, like
Speaker 1: we made up and like we had a long conversation
Speaker 1: senior year and then senior year was any goes and
Speaker 1: guess what the bitch casts me as my God. That's vindictive,
Speaker 1: the Chinese yellow face stowaway. That is so vindictive. And
Speaker 1: was there another Asian person? There was another Asian person
Speaker 1: who played with me, this really sweet girl um I
Speaker 1: forgot her name, but she was great and she was
Speaker 1: just like she did not have any interest in musical theater.
Speaker 1: She was just in the choir. She was in the
Speaker 1: top choir. She was otherwise like a really good student.
Speaker 1: And I be with me and she was just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll do it. And it was really chilled the whole time,
Speaker 1: and like didn't think anything of like this horrific type cast.
Speaker 1: It was. It was my principle and never got it
Speaker 1: and miss would and like I read The Artist's Way
Speaker 1: and like in that book, the author tells you to
Speaker 1: really think about the people who who have traumatized you creatively,
Speaker 1: and I was like, first one, first person I thought
Speaker 1: of this would so yeah, that's oh I've never really
Speaker 1: shared that with anybody. That's my high school. Uh, there
Speaker 1: was nary one Asian person in my school, and that
Speaker 1: did not stop them. I'm doing and I mean the
Speaker 1: King and I And let me tell you all my
Speaker 1: girlfriends that did the play, we're all in the Uncle
Speaker 1: Tom's Cabin sequence, which was in the show just like
Speaker 1: doubly layers upon layers, let me tell you. And how
Speaker 1: much eyeline it was used in this production too much
Speaker 1: like like yellow face doing black face. It was insane
Speaker 1: And that's what my eyes are huge, because I'm just
Speaker 1: tired of I yeah, yeah, you do that, that that guy,
Speaker 1: thank you. Yeah. We also did the Whiz Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Literally high school and the superintendent at the time was like,
Speaker 1: you know, we just we can't do anything inappropriate. We're
Speaker 1: not We're not doing Greece. He wouldn't allow, he wouldn't
Speaker 1: allow anything with any sort of sexual references, but he
Speaker 1: would allow us to Oh, that's rich stomp all over.
Speaker 1: Any idea was a little bit more defensible than the
Speaker 1: King and I. I guess. I guess it's not as
Speaker 1: it's not as explicit like it is of that culture,
Speaker 1: but it is not explicit. But there's an imperial this
Speaker 1: because it was the hip hop Wizard of Oz. I mean,
Speaker 1: that was obviously right. It's like, I don't think I'm
Speaker 1: not defending the choice, but I think like doing The
Speaker 1: King and I with an all white cats, he's like
Speaker 1: pretty explicitly racist, right, Doing the Whiz with an all
Speaker 1: white cast is pretty implicit. I think, in all fairness,
Speaker 1: the the guy that played the King was like so
Speaker 1: like like some sort of like light because you started
Speaker 1: this that with. In all fairness, all right, I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna put the brakes on this because he wasn't white.
Speaker 1: He wasn't white, the kid that and he, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I didn't dig into his racial background because, like like
Speaker 1: the rest of my town, we just didn't think about it.
Speaker 1: I remember thinking in the back of my mind, like,
Speaker 1: is it weird that we're doing this, Like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I guess it's better than us doing something with like
Speaker 1: pussy Wagon in the song you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Like And then the year after I graduated, they did
Speaker 1: do Greece because we got a new superintendent. But that's
Speaker 1: Long Island funny that the superintendent would have. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: superintendent was like, just so you know, you are not
Speaker 1: not not doing anything racy as the musical. That's interesting, Joel.
Speaker 1: What were your high school? So sophomore year I went
Speaker 1: to this church school that was like basically being homeschools
Speaker 1: because yes, you were homeschool but we did a musical.
Speaker 1: We did music Man first ever, first ever musical. Tommy
Speaker 1: jellis the second male lead. I mean like I guess no,
Speaker 1: the young lead, like he's in love with the mayor's daughter.
Speaker 1: He's the Romeo. Oh. And also that year we did
Speaker 1: much Ado about Nothing and I played like the old man.
Speaker 1: That's fine the d M. Then in public school junior year,
Speaker 1: I was uh the dad and bye bye Birdie, which
Speaker 1: is where no fucking Sullivan kids And I will never
Speaker 1: forget like that was a formative moment for me. Doing
Speaker 1: kids is because I got a fucking standing ovation at
Speaker 1: the end of Kids, and I will I mean that
Speaker 1: was when I was like, oh my god, I have
Speaker 1: to do this for the rest of your I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I'm a star. And it was really
Speaker 1: the first moment to where I was like, I'm not
Speaker 1: a great singer, but I might be. I might be
Speaker 1: no singer, but exactly, and like I acted this shift
Speaker 1: out of that song, you know, and that was great.
Speaker 1: And then senior year, I was also doing this uh
Speaker 1: program outside of school called only a Stage And it
Speaker 1: was once like in the Chicago suburbs, like well known
Speaker 1: as one of the best like theater training programs. Okay,
Speaker 1: but then my senior year it really fell into like
Speaker 1: just like no one stopped going. Margot was like a
Speaker 1: very difficult woman who alright, she's she's passed away, but
Speaker 1: she was amazing. She was amazing, but she was like
Speaker 1: a theater person who like ran a business, which is
Speaker 1: usually not like the easiest thing. Um So, my senior year, like, uh,
Speaker 1: they were doing little Shop of Horrors and maybe five
Speaker 1: guys auditions, but I got to be seen more. But yeah,
Speaker 1: and it was honestly the best, the best thing. I
Speaker 1: didn't do any of the place. I was too scared.
Speaker 1: I was too scared everyone would think or find out
Speaker 1: that I was gay. I didn't do any of the musicals. Wait,
Speaker 1: really no, I didn't act at all until I was
Speaker 1: in college, and I could have had a real high
Speaker 1: school musical moment, but I really, I really, I would
Speaker 1: sit there and I would be jumping out of my
Speaker 1: skin because I want to do it so bad. And
Speaker 1: I remember they were all did by by Roodie and
Speaker 1: they were like, why don't you Underson for Conrad, Like
Speaker 1: you would be so good, you would have been a
Speaker 1: great Conrad. And I was just like, no, I don't
Speaker 1: singing a choir. Didn't sing at all. Really, it's all
Speaker 1: it's all like raw natural talent for me, which is
Speaker 1: much I would have loved to have done that. It's
Speaker 1: just like I said, it's and I'm not saying it's
Speaker 1: harder here than it is everyone else, like, but it's
Speaker 1: really hard on the island to step out of a box.
Speaker 1: I mean, like it's a small town on the island.
Speaker 1: There was two seventy kids in my graduating class, and
Speaker 1: like everyone knew each other enough to generalize, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. My god, So here's a pro tip
Speaker 1: from me to everyone listening is look up the Jimmy
Speaker 1: Awards UMM music school, like and they take it very seriously.
Speaker 1: It's in the Northeast and like they get stars to
Speaker 1: come out, and said Zachary Levi hosted the two thousand
Speaker 1: sixteen Jimmy Awards, and it is it is my like
Speaker 1: go to gay YouTube party, Like all right, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: do that tonight. It's pretty good. Oh yeah. The girls,
Speaker 1: especially girls are outstanding. And it's so just to describe it.
Speaker 1: So there's like they're all nominated for performance, and they
Speaker 1: put them in these groups and there's like three groups
Speaker 1: of girls, three groups of boys, and they put them
Speaker 1: in a lineup and they're like they introduced them all
Speaker 1: and they're like Genevieve so and so from this high
Speaker 1: school as Bell and Beauty and the Beast. And then
Speaker 1: and never inevitably, every high school does the same fucking musical.
Speaker 1: So there's like three bells in the same group and
Speaker 1: they all sing the same like different cuts of the
Speaker 1: same song, and it's like all choreographed, and like every
Speaker 1: girl who's nominated like is connected. It's so bizarre and wonderful.
Speaker 1: And every guy, like the guys are a real mixed bag,
Speaker 1: and there's like always like two guys that you're like,
Speaker 1: oh you are you broke your knee playing football and
Speaker 1: you're like, I'll just do the musical as a lark.
Speaker 1: And now you've been nominated for Jimmy Award. That's not
Speaker 1: that's that's not good for kids at age ego though,
Speaker 1: oh my god, to be nominated for a Jimmy. I
Speaker 1: think Jasmine Sullivan was did something like that. Never Jasmine
Speaker 1: Sullivan singer from The Whiz. Oh, I don't even know
Speaker 1: she's sang the famously like saying it. Am I talking
Speaker 1: about Jasmine Sullivan? Am I talking about someone else famous
Speaker 1: R and B singer? I think it is Jasmine Sullivan.
Speaker 1: She did like, what's that song? As long as he
Speaker 1: needs me? Where is that from? I have no idea,
Speaker 1: but that was beautiful. It was really good. I didn't
Speaker 1: sing the point don't peak early? Um, that's what Who
Speaker 1: said that? Who said that, don't be successful early? Oh
Speaker 1: fucking Sarah Paulson just said that after her. I mean, wait,
Speaker 1: so while we're just saying in this world of the past, Joel,
Speaker 1: we have to ask you, um, what's the culture that
Speaker 1: shaped Joel Kim Booster young Jolie. When did you side
Speaker 1: that decide that culture was for you. Wow, that is
Speaker 1: a tough question. I'm going to say. Um, I really
Speaker 1: got keyed into culture at a young age. Watched a
Speaker 1: lot of television early on faith shows included Power Rangers. Yeah, yes, Batman,
Speaker 1: the animated adventure, Living in the Living in the Animated
Speaker 1: and the violence. Yeah, Living in the Animated and the violence.
Speaker 1: That's that's I think. Honestly, Comic books were like the
Speaker 1: earliest thing that like shaped my like cultural comic You've
Speaker 1: got a depth of knowledge with with with comics, I
Speaker 1: owned thousands. Do you really I didn't know that. I don't.
Speaker 1: I'm not as much. I don't buy I'm not as
Speaker 1: like up to date as I once. But you can
Speaker 1: toss off like trivia. Oh yeah, um okay. Can we
Speaker 1: talk about Spider Man in the animated series when we
Speaker 1: were growing up? I thought it was it was great
Speaker 1: and it was like a soap opera. It was a
Speaker 1: soap opera. And then the way Peter Parker was animated,
Speaker 1: he was so hot. Yeah, I mean, aren't they always hot?
Speaker 1: But like the cartoon that sounds so crazy hand type bullshit,
Speaker 1: but cartoon Peter, cartoon Peter Parker was the second when
Speaker 1: I would masturbate growing up, I thought that if I
Speaker 1: was masturbating two cartoons, it wasn't wrong. So I did
Speaker 1: a lot of I did a lot of really good Batman.
Speaker 1: I did a lot of Spider Man. I did a
Speaker 1: lot of Archie Archie. So I look for the issues
Speaker 1: in my backlog of Archie comics where they're at the beach,
Speaker 1: because for whatever reason, Archie was always in a speedo always,
Speaker 1: and I found that to be very round. Reggie was
Speaker 1: the hottest. Reggie was the hottest, and jud Moose hot
Speaker 1: in his own way. Moose Moose was Yeah. Did you
Speaker 1: guys ever play UM the snowboarding video game SS? Oh?
Speaker 1: My god, I mean I know of it. I don't
Speaker 1: know if I used to pull it to this character.
Speaker 1: I used to pull and tug and jerk and flug
Speaker 1: myself to UM this character Simon P. S y m
Speaker 1: o N. He was like this ripped shirtless guy on
Speaker 1: the snowboard and I would just be tugging and tugging
Speaker 1: Google that. And I would always play as Alice, who
Speaker 1: wore a high poem. Always always female character. I was
Speaker 1: always except Mario kar and I was never Peach because,
Speaker 1: like I have so much. I have so many problems
Speaker 1: with Peach. I was always told Peaches the best acceleration,
Speaker 1: and I always felt very queer. Yeah, I I think.
Speaker 1: I think the reason that I did choose female characters
Speaker 1: and fighting games and whatever avatar that I could choose
Speaker 1: it was because I felt they were underrepresented. Absolutely, so
Speaker 1: you identified with especially in Asian for me at least,
Speaker 1: especially going to like Asian households and like parents are
Speaker 1: eating dinner, let's have the kids play video games. Like
Speaker 1: it was just this masculine energy of Asian guys, of
Speaker 1: Asian boys being like we have to beat a boat.
Speaker 1: I mean like that's not culturally exclusive to us, but like, yeah,
Speaker 1: like it's rampant. In Double O seven Golden, I that
Speaker 1: first person that was everywhere, I always played as Natalia. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was Zenya, Zena You're more of and more of
Speaker 1: because Jill could kill you with these school starting. Sorry,
Speaker 1: I did not know it was Johnson until this. Fumka Johnson.
Speaker 1: She was an early celebrity beard for me as well.
Speaker 1: Mine was alicious over Stone. Um. I mean, i'll talk,
Speaker 1: I'll do this off the year, but she was. She
Speaker 1: was at SNL with Nick Jonas I think who never mind,
Speaker 1: we just let's cut this was there like to see
Speaker 1: Nick Jonas and Nick Jonas and do not do not Okay, wait,
Speaker 1: never mind, we're not cutting this out. Funky Jansen was
Speaker 1: at SNL when Nick Jonas was a musical guest and
Speaker 1: she was waiting in the sterile with us for us
Speaker 1: to go into the musical guy, I see, I can't
Speaker 1: remember this. No, this was when Anna and I went
Speaker 1: to you guys went, oh my god, I fucking love
Speaker 1: Nick Jones. So Andrewsen and I went to s guest
Speaker 1: of Suedi Green Big Jonas either um, but like he
Speaker 1: was there and and foon Ka Yanson was in the
Speaker 1: sterile with us just like too. I mean, I'm sure
Speaker 1: lots of women are lining up to fun. So this
Speaker 1: is a funny thing about like talking about celebrities that ways,
Speaker 1: because I'm like the Jonas brothers not for me. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: like if any of them were standing in front of
Speaker 1: me right now, I dropped my pants and media well
Speaker 1: not maybe not maybe Kevin, I don't even know. I
Speaker 1: can't tell anyone. You don't want to Ken who's Kevin?
Speaker 1: Was like ear who honestly is probably fine. He probably
Speaker 1: looks great. There's these photos of we'd be lucky to
Speaker 1: have any of them. We'd be like, there's these photos
Speaker 1: of like Nick Jonas playing baseball. Man. Oh man, wait,
Speaker 1: it's been He's meant to wear baseball pants. Some people
Speaker 1: have a destiny. His is to wear baseball pants. I
Speaker 1: don't know how he played. I don't know how his game.
Speaker 1: Is this sort of tangentially on the point. I was
Speaker 1: thinking about this when we were talking about Finding Prince Charming.
Speaker 1: First of all, sucks that they were like just for
Speaker 1: diversity sick, including like different body types of different different races.
Speaker 1: But one show, one dating show that was really diverse
Speaker 1: and like truly diverse, and like it made it a
Speaker 1: better show was I Love New York was the men
Speaker 1: were all diverse, and like it didn't really affect her
Speaker 1: decision of who she liked because like the second season
Speaker 1: she liked that that dumpy white guy away. That's actually
Speaker 1: kind of true a flavor of love too. I mean
Speaker 1: there was a much more diverse like sort of set
Speaker 1: of women and the kinds of women that were I mean,
Speaker 1: both of these shows are like so problematic, outrageous and
Speaker 1: like like in another reality, like I'm not even sure
Speaker 1: you can call it reality television anymore because it's just
Speaker 1: so out there. But god, god, um, somebody said to
Speaker 1: me yesterday that Elyssa Edwards is as is like the
Speaker 1: first prolific reality star that we have had since New York,
Speaker 1: and I was, honestly, I do too. But do you
Speaker 1: think we'll see Elyssa with her own reality show? Yes?
Speaker 1: I think logo would be. But here's the after the
Speaker 1: reaction to elicit this season, because it because like Elissa
Speaker 1: became a thing after her season, I've come to find
Speaker 1: she was not the Lissa we know on her season.
Speaker 1: Do you know what I just listened to today? Um,
Speaker 1: Michelle and Rue. They interviewed Nicole and it was like fine,
Speaker 1: but their interview with Alyssa like two or three times now,
Speaker 1: it's so good she is and she I think there's
Speaker 1: something about Alyssa Edwards that like even puts her like
Speaker 1: beyond Alaska to a little bit like how much? And
Speaker 1: so let's let's chat about RuPaul's jagers a little bit.
Speaker 1: And mind you check out Joel his reviews on Vulture
Speaker 1: because he does a great job recapping and he has
Speaker 1: seen the episode of this week. I have seen the
Speaker 1: Revenge of the Queens, and I can't go any more
Speaker 1: than just it is. I mean, you'll be listening to this.
Speaker 1: I'm assuming people will be listening to this after the
Speaker 1: episodes comming. No, no, this will be out tomorrow, so
Speaker 1: this will be okay, well, I mean I'm no spoilers obviously,
Speaker 1: but it is the greatest episode of the show so far. God,
Speaker 1: it's really hard to like top the ending of of
Speaker 1: last week's episode with them in the Mirror, which was, yeah,
Speaker 1: just like an incredible way to end the episode, and
Speaker 1: you're like, how are they going to top this? And
Speaker 1: the content of the first three minutes is just so
Speaker 1: great and like everything I want to show the big
Speaker 1: I'm I'm literally thinking about pushing a trip back so
Speaker 1: I can watch it in a gay bar because I
Speaker 1: just need to hear the shrieks of gay men throughout
Speaker 1: the episode, because like tomorrow, because throughout the episode it's
Speaker 1: just like so it's so good. It's just like such
Speaker 1: good reality television, and like every every moment of it,
Speaker 1: it's like everything you want we're going to watch right
Speaker 1: after Um, okay, let's we talk about days. I just
Speaker 1: want to make a point and this is this is
Speaker 1: the Nick Jonas thing really quickly and about this. This
Speaker 1: is what Guy Brandam said, and Guy Brandam actually did
Speaker 1: say this. Um was that uh And he might have
Speaker 1: cribbed this from someone else, like another thought leader. But
Speaker 1: but gay in game in don't want to see someone
Speaker 1: on stage or on TV unless unless, unless he's a
Speaker 1: drag queen or um just like a porn star. Basically,
Speaker 1: you know what, This is really real And I sometimes
Speaker 1: catch myself doing this where it's like as gay men,
Speaker 1: like as a group or as like a pack, we
Speaker 1: are so quick to like hoist the women up like
Speaker 1: we all are in like our Lady Gaga camp or
Speaker 1: are like you know, Beyonce Camp or Katie Perry, and
Speaker 1: like we want to idolize all these people. Arianna grand
Speaker 1: Day nowadays it feels like and a little passive aggressive no,
Speaker 1: but like I'm just saying, she's kind of gotten to
Speaker 1: that point, like yeah, deserve and it's just funny because
Speaker 1: like we don't do that for gay men. Says this
Speaker 1: In on stage, and he makes a good point that
Speaker 1: we were so quick to be done with Sam Smith,
Speaker 1: and I get why Sam Smith is not my favorite
Speaker 1: person either, but we are forgiving of every other like
Speaker 1: female pop star. But Sam Smith says one dumb thing
Speaker 1: at the Oscars and we're like burning, Yeah, that's true,
Speaker 1: that's true. And also like would we would we like
Speaker 1: these gay men that are on RuPaul's dragons as much
Speaker 1: if they weren't dressing up like and you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, we talk about them like they're women. That's
Speaker 1: why we love them so much. Like would we love
Speaker 1: Justin Johnson as much as Elyssa Edwards? I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think we might find out, because I think the
Speaker 1: reality show is going to be beyond belief. I think
Speaker 1: it's going to be about Justin and his dance studio.
Speaker 1: I don't think we're gonna see Alyssa Edwards, which I
Speaker 1: would love to see because he seems to really care
Speaker 1: for the kids. There are moments, especially in this episode,
Speaker 1: where they're they're out of drag for a lot of
Speaker 1: this episode feels like not a lot, not not the majority,
Speaker 1: not anymore than in a regular episode probably, but there
Speaker 1: are a lot of moments with Alyssa out of drag,
Speaker 1: and I think you get a good sense of them
Speaker 1: out of drag too, and it's like fun and I
Speaker 1: like Justin. I like Justin Johnson, I you know what
Speaker 1: I really liked. Um in the episode where in the
Speaker 1: last episode where Fife's kind of coming or Jeremy it's
Speaker 1: kind of coming for Elyssa Justin saying you switched it up,
Speaker 1: and she's like, no, I didn't switch anything up. Let's
Speaker 1: choose our words wisely. And I was like, absolutely for
Speaker 1: the for all of it. Because Nicole Silverbury glast step
Speaker 1: On on this podcast said they are building up the
Speaker 1: edit for analysta versus VV blowout. Um, I don't know
Speaker 1: if I don't know if it comes to okay right well,
Speaker 1: and look who actually did something interesting this last week
Speaker 1: with this episode two, And I wonder if it was
Speaker 1: to appease FFI in some way. Is I don't know
Speaker 1: if you noticed this or where you watch this, but
Speaker 1: they cut out on the logo website the deliberation like
Speaker 1: the backstage like, um uh yes they did do that.
Speaker 1: There was and like and because I mean Fifi was
Speaker 1: being a monster, being pretty bad, like just being monstrous
Speaker 1: backstage and they like, I don't want to talk him
Speaker 1: to anyone, I don't need to horrible, which was truly
Speaker 1: like insane. And this was This was something that I
Speaker 1: realized watching this episode, but it's based on comments that
Speaker 1: she made at the end of last episode where she
Speaker 1: was talking about Alyssa and she was like, I was
Speaker 1: just tired when she was like justifying sending like choosing
Speaker 1: a lista as well, even though she we all forget
Speaker 1: and it's actually in this episode you you keep forgetting
Speaker 1: the last Alaska was actually the one who's had it
Speaker 1: her home. But like she's like saying, like I was
Speaker 1: tired of the judges like allowing her to get away
Speaker 1: with wearing ship and then and just being like, oh,
Speaker 1: but it's Alyssa, so it's fine. And it's like, bitch,
Speaker 1: weren't you the one who's like, we should listen to
Speaker 1: the judges. They're the professionals, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. So it's
Speaker 1: like you can't have it both ways. You can't be
Speaker 1: like I'm done listening to the judges and of fawning
Speaker 1: over Alyssa and also be like, um, I don't think
Speaker 1: there's anything wrong with the way that Alyssa was thinking
Speaker 1: when she made her elimination. She I absolutely would be thinking, Okay,
Speaker 1: throughout the competition, this person has consistently been in the bottom.
Speaker 1: This person has not this person who's been winning challenges. Um,
Speaker 1: and so I see it the way I see it,
Speaker 1: and therefore this person is stronger and I'm going to
Speaker 1: keep them in reality absolutely. And you also know, you
Speaker 1: know that Fifi is just panicked because she knows that
Speaker 1: she's Yeah, oh this this, this meltdown is bad. It's
Speaker 1: hard to watch. Oh yeah, it really has to. And
Speaker 1: this episode is actually like a really great sort of reflection,
Speaker 1: like a metaphor almost for her entire social media presence.
Speaker 1: And mind you, I don't know who gets kicked off.
Speaker 1: Logo is not kind enough. Logo is not kind enough
Speaker 1: to send us the last minute of the episode. So
Speaker 1: I have no idea who gets kicked off until tomorrow
Speaker 1: morning when I get to call a logo producer and wow,
Speaker 1: so what so in terms of this recap that you're writing,
Speaker 1: so you would you can't even write it? No, I can't,
Speaker 1: to be to be completely honest, I have a mole
Speaker 1: in viatcom that I usually ask who they get the
Speaker 1: full cuts, and I ask, but that mole is currently
Speaker 1: on a vacation and so she like gives me like
Speaker 1: a very assistinct like play by play and like thank
Speaker 1: god because like logo would only tell you who gets
Speaker 1: kicked off last week, And if you only knew who
Speaker 1: got kicked off last week and didn't know about how
Speaker 1: would you write comprehensive recap for because you have to
Speaker 1: you'd have to book an appointment with the therapist that
Speaker 1: mole is that Moll has apologized to me. She's been like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, and I'm like no, like use it, like please?
Speaker 1: I would take full advantage. Oh I I literally was
Speaker 1: finding trying to find a way to ask Joel in
Speaker 1: the elevator, like, so, how do I, you know, get
Speaker 1: get the I mean, what what does the boy have
Speaker 1: to do? Um? It's like it's no fun that when
Speaker 1: you get to watch it without the end. I screamed twice,
Speaker 1: and it's like no fun to shriek when there aren't
Speaker 1: other games shrinking along with you. Although I don't love
Speaker 1: I don't love watching them as a gay bar I
Speaker 1: find you know, so I watched almost the entire series
Speaker 1: leading up to season eight with a lover um and
Speaker 1: so like that was my experience, like watching the backlog
Speaker 1: of seasons that I hadn't seen, and then I was like,
Speaker 1: very sad not to be watching with a lover, but
Speaker 1: then watch But then I watched at gay bars all
Speaker 1: of season eight, and I would not have like that's
Speaker 1: the way to watch. It was really fun. I think
Speaker 1: communal like fun experience watching it my reality as I
Speaker 1: watched every episode three or four times. Anyway, I'll probably
Speaker 1: do one at the gay bar. Henry and I will
Speaker 1: watch together. One I'll watch it together. I watch it
Speaker 1: by myself one time. And then also, I don't know
Speaker 1: if you guys do this, but did you go through
Speaker 1: Logo TV and like the videos and watch all the extras?
Speaker 1: I haven't. I love the extras? And did you see
Speaker 1: did you see? Um? So after Fifi had her like explode,
Speaker 1: so apparently this is some t um Fifi was hosting
Speaker 1: at Rosco's. Yeah, at Roscoe's and after during a commercial break,
Speaker 1: she got on stage and was like, I just want
Speaker 1: to say, this is bullshit. This edit is out of control.
Speaker 1: They did not show Lysa's true critiques. Um Jeremy Scott
Speaker 1: was cruel towards Alyssa and did not have anything nice
Speaker 1: to say about her outfit and act. The comment the
Speaker 1: positive comment that they showed you that Jeremy Scott allegedly
Speaker 1: said towards Alyssa was said to Ginger Minge and he
Speaker 1: was like, I swear this is what happened, And so
Speaker 1: Logo put up on the website Alyssa full critiques Jeremy Scott.
Speaker 1: So it was a direct So what you're saying about
Speaker 1: them taking out that segment might be right. It was
Speaker 1: a direct response to something that Fifi set at a nightclub.
Speaker 1: So and also Rus tweets, so they're really paying attention
Speaker 1: and they do care because she's not going to the reunion,
Speaker 1: which I find very hard to believe that there is
Speaker 1: not a single thing in her contract that is not
Speaker 1: like compelling her to go to. But what what happened
Speaker 1: was she gets sued if she doesn't come, which would
Speaker 1: be a terrible look for a logo like that. I've
Speaker 1: been in that position before where it's like, oh, what
Speaker 1: are they gonna do. They're gonna like Fifi is not
Speaker 1: enough of a celebrity or a star for them to
Speaker 1: be able to sue her without it being a terrible
Speaker 1: look for Logo, And it's like that would just be
Speaker 1: playing into her hands because then she could play the
Speaker 1: victim even more. We'll go to her Twitter feed and
Speaker 1: look at her fans and it is outrage. It's so
Speaker 1: wild to me that she has so many defenders and
Speaker 1: fans and she just does nothing but retweet them all
Speaker 1: day and yeah, and it's like the same show that
Speaker 1: I'm watching right now, because they're all like, yes, Queen,
Speaker 1: like you are, like you're such a good hearted person
Speaker 1: and that shows on the show and it's like where, Well,
Speaker 1: I think people truly want to want to blame the edit,
Speaker 1: but like again, like we've said a million times, like,
Speaker 1: you can't blame the edit when the words are coming
Speaker 1: out of your mouths and it wouldn't fit so seamlessly
Speaker 1: into the edit if you didn't allow them to have that,
Speaker 1: And also you should know better. I think, if anything,
Speaker 1: she should be disappointed in herself because she got got again. Well,
Speaker 1: I think this is the thing with Fi that I
Speaker 1: think becomes especially clear in this episode is that she
Speaker 1: is so concerned with with the optics of it that
Speaker 1: she loses like she's like she loses it entirely. Like
Speaker 1: I think she is like the other queens, Like she's
Speaker 1: constantly talking about her edit and while they were filming,
Speaker 1: and I think like her way of trying to come
Speaker 1: off looking better actually just didn't work for her at all,
Speaker 1: work in her favorite at all. It just made her
Speaker 1: seem like petty and respired and desperate. And I think,
Speaker 1: like they've and like other queens have said it, like
Speaker 1: on the show and online, like if she would just
Speaker 1: own this, Like no, the thing that is that is
Speaker 1: I think driving people up a wall is like she's
Speaker 1: blaming the edit and trying to play the victim, and
Speaker 1: it's like, bitch, if you're being a bit just be
Speaker 1: And like we love will Um. People love Willam and
Speaker 1: he was one of the biggest bitches on that show
Speaker 1: but it was great, but like everyone loved him because
Speaker 1: he owned it. And like it's sort of like you
Speaker 1: can't we've forgiven Roxy, who might have been worse, might
Speaker 1: have been worse on her season. And I realized halfway
Speaker 1: through this episode. I was like, I actually think Roxy
Speaker 1: has redeemed herself and like's she had got her doom.
Speaker 1: Roxy Andrews were doomed after all. Okay, that's a podcast.
Speaker 1: Um well I did want to. So the theme of
Speaker 1: this episode was going to be New York versus l A,
Speaker 1: the first ever debate debate. So we're gonna do it.
Speaker 1: We're gonna do it very special. I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: Today we're gonna choose the United States city. Okay, it
Speaker 1: doesn't have to be one of the jew that And
Speaker 1: you've traveled a lot doing really just this year though,
Speaker 1: like I, you've seen it, you've seen I've seen the country. Um,
Speaker 1: and we're all going to choose the United States city, honey,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna come for it, and we're gonna let
Speaker 1: it know and everyone there. No, I came today wanting
Speaker 1: to I don't think so, honey, Melo. You apolis, but
Speaker 1: maybe that's too heavy for it's way too on the nose.
Speaker 1: You need to know better. Okay, I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: You think we're all on the same page about okay, okay, alright,
Speaker 1: So also, I'm sorry, are we supposed to think that
Speaker 1: he's hot? No? I think people do think he's hot.
Speaker 1: Like those people, he looks like a like a fucking
Speaker 1: Madame Tussau. Yeah well actually yeah, Madam Tussau. That's like
Speaker 1: half melted. He looks like the justin Timberlake Madame Tussau
Speaker 1: got left out in the kid people. Yeah for me,
Speaker 1: hold on, let me let me make myself a victim
Speaker 1: right now, like so many white people are lately. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Bowen and I Bowen and I have had an interaction
Speaker 1: with a true fucking idiot. Um. I almost just revealed
Speaker 1: too much about him. But like, anyway, like basically, what
Speaker 1: was it about? It was about you took a screenshot
Speaker 1: of the of the alert for the child. It was
Speaker 1: the Chelsea bomber, the Chelsea bomber. We were up. I
Speaker 1: made a point of saying that it was bullshit that
Speaker 1: they just sent out like a Middle East going too
Speaker 1: heavy by the way, and now we're talking about Chelsea bomber. Sure,
Speaker 1: but let's let's just talk about this because this is fun.
Speaker 1: This is so basically, Yeah, that New York City fucking
Speaker 1: blasted it out to all of us and are just
Speaker 1: a name in staid see media for photo. And it
Speaker 1: was like you blessed out the name like ahmad something
Speaker 1: like we all like, you know, the masters are going
Speaker 1: to think that they're gonna think, are they gonna go
Speaker 1: actually go to the media and look for the picture.
Speaker 1: I doubt anyone did. It was just gonna stoke racism
Speaker 1: and everyone. It was such bullshit and also like if
Speaker 1: they had, honestly they caught him minutes later, like you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, they obviously could and did do
Speaker 1: this themselves anyway for this guy. So this guy. Um,
Speaker 1: I was like, well they were just trying to catch
Speaker 1: the guy, Like what do you mean? Yeah, he was
Speaker 1: playing Devil's advocate in a way that's just like so
Speaker 1: gross something. And I was just like, well, that's the
Speaker 1: police's job. The public, isn't the police. And then Bowen chimes.
Speaker 1: I chimed in. I was like, well, if you're just
Speaker 1: giving them a name and nothing else than every brown
Speaker 1: guy in the Tristate area, it just doesn't want it
Speaker 1: would be a fool to leave the house and like
Speaker 1: that's awful, and he responds, um okay, and I'm just
Speaker 1: like shut up. And then about eighteen hours later, he
Speaker 1: finally chimes back in and goes, well, what what would
Speaker 1: you have done? And I was like, um, like what
Speaker 1: were they supposed to do? And I was like, well
Speaker 1: they should have had some kind of communications person like
Speaker 1: think think ahead on this and be like, well, maybe
Speaker 1: this isn't the best day anything exactly, anything but a
Speaker 1: name exactly, so like it's so and so then this
Speaker 1: guy was like, well, well, you you're not really offering
Speaker 1: up solutions. And then finally I just lost my patience
Speaker 1: and maybe this wasn't the best thing for me to say,
Speaker 1: but I was like, oh my god, shut up. So
Speaker 1: today he posted a status where he just got really
Speaker 1: sulky and was like, Wow, I'm getting really exhausted and
Speaker 1: just downtrodden on how no one, no one I'm arguing
Speaker 1: with his bring solutions and all they can do is
Speaker 1: tell you to shut up. And it was like, it's
Speaker 1: so hard to try to find solutions when the argument
Speaker 1: on the other side is always just shut up. That's
Speaker 1: all my argument was. And it's like, what did you say?
Speaker 1: You were like, oh wow, like has fragile almost make
Speaker 1: them feel so endangered, like you must feel really just
Speaker 1: like subjugated by them, just so stupid, like white people
Speaker 1: like you don't have to jime in on everything. My my,
Speaker 1: my fucking favorite thing lately is white people, straight white
Speaker 1: people announcing that they're listening, shut up. Shut that stuff
Speaker 1: on social media is like what a performance? I know.
Speaker 1: And also like another thing that really gets me is
Speaker 1: it's like, um, just so you know I'm watching you
Speaker 1: and you haven't posted a hashtag black Lives Matter. It's like,
Speaker 1: shut up, you know. That is one of my actually
Speaker 1: biggest pet peeves right now is like people being like
Speaker 1: if you're posting bits or you're posting this, and it's like,
Speaker 1: I think social media is like ten years old. Ten
Speaker 1: years old, we're all still figuring it out. We are
Speaker 1: all still and it's like so like individualized and personal
Speaker 1: the way we use social media. I personally am the
Speaker 1: person who like posts after Orlando like a big long
Speaker 1: Like I am famous for posting big long screens on
Speaker 1: Facebook that everyone, oh, I do as well. I feel
Speaker 1: like some people, but some people just don't. People don't
Speaker 1: use Facebook that way and that's fine, Like and I think,
Speaker 1: like I it's just like so weird when we are
Speaker 1: expect people use social media in the same way when
Speaker 1: it is like relatively so new and none of us
Speaker 1: really have like there's just no standard, there's no tax.
Speaker 1: And that's when you lose your personality and become someone
Speaker 1: that's just on social media, when you allow it to
Speaker 1: become so fucking real to you that you're like, I'm
Speaker 1: personally offended that you're not taking a stand on your
Speaker 1: social media and I am watching and guess what, you
Speaker 1: know what I believe you. I believe that you are
Speaker 1: sitting on your Facebook wait for people to thousand friends
Speaker 1: on Facebook. How can you be like paying on everybody
Speaker 1: and not that that's the biggest problem in the world.
Speaker 1: Like and I'm but I'm just saying like it's frustrating
Speaker 1: when you make it feel like that, like just I
Speaker 1: don't know. Yeah, all right, let's get to where. I
Speaker 1: don't think so Honey City Edition. I'm ready to go.
Speaker 1: All right, you have and I don't think alright, So
Speaker 1: for our listeners and maybe first time listeners, I don't
Speaker 1: think so Honey is the centerpiece of our show. It
Speaker 1: is UM sixty seconds to rail against something in culture.
Speaker 1: We have a very special locational edition UM. And Bowen
Speaker 1: Yang has is I don't think so Honey. I can
Speaker 1: see jillkan Booster thinking hard about I'm about to burn
Speaker 1: some bridges. I'm about to burn some bridges, Honey. Well,
Speaker 1: I don't want anyone to come from me or my homeland. Okay, no,
Speaker 1: don't worry. And Bowen Yang, I don't think so Honey
Speaker 1: starts now. I don't think so Honey. Austin, Texas faux
Speaker 1: hipsterism is a farce, and I see right through you, bitch.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. I was walking down the streets of Austin,
Speaker 1: Texas in March, just this march, walking down this perfectly
Speaker 1: manicured sixties art or fucking art deco whatever, it's hodge
Speaker 1: pods of inspirations of it's just perfectly manicured, perfectly white.
Speaker 1: Just everything is just so like it's just the veneerest
Speaker 1: cracking honey, and listen. I was walking down the streets
Speaker 1: and then this fucking white bearder do with tats up
Speaker 1: his aren't like a tat sleep was on a typewriter
Speaker 1: typing up poems for a dollar. And I was like, honey,
Speaker 1: I've seen this. I saw this in Williamsburg in two
Speaker 1: thousand and eight. I do not care for this. Ahead
Speaker 1: of you, I'm ahead of you, and look, mom at
Speaker 1: like torties. I went to I went back to Denver
Speaker 1: and there was a new fucking Tortise Tacos, which is
Speaker 1: a taco chain in Austin, Texas. Great tacos, but like
Speaker 1: it was just so obnoxiously garish on Broadway in Denver,
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh no, Like Austin's even like
Speaker 1: taken over this and like, I don't think so. Honey,
Speaker 1: Austin Texas, you're fake. I see right through you. That's
Speaker 1: one minute. That's one minute. That was Bonang taking down Austin, Texas.
Speaker 1: If I may add something about Austin, Texas. Yes, Austin Texas,
Speaker 1: I have been to you once. Yes, Austin Texas. Sides
Speaker 1: did have one or nine or twelve cocktails. Yes, Austin Texas.
Speaker 1: I did get into a fight and argument that almost
Speaker 1: got physical with the taco truck employee who's still fifty
Speaker 1: dollars from me. Yes, when I come back, I will
Speaker 1: find you. Yes, when I come back, I will get fifty. Yes,
Speaker 1: I did cry at the bar. That's huge and had
Speaker 1: to be consoled by my instin. You have the whole
Speaker 1: lifetime in Austin. Austin is the true Vegas. No offense
Speaker 1: to Chrissie Shockoler because an Austin Native, and I do
Speaker 1: like Austin. She's not an Austin Native. She's from around
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, she lived in them. She moved there
Speaker 1: after college. Yeah, I believe she grew up in Dallas
Speaker 1: or outside of Dallas. That's true. But Austin, like I
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know, honey. I think I don't know, honey.
Speaker 1: Fan of Christy Shackelford and her work on four Nights
Speaker 1: in Orlando, but yes, or two nights in Miami. Why
Speaker 1: don't you check out Bowen and Eyes four nights in Orlando,
Speaker 1: two nights in Miami series to find out Christie Shackoler
Speaker 1: the performer, what she's capable of, because she plays quite
Speaker 1: a villain like any worthy featured like guest role. Absolutely, absolutely,
Speaker 1: she is the guest actress she deserved the we're building
Speaker 1: up a lot of she is. She is honestly the
Speaker 1: Connie Britton to your sisters, Sarah Paulson in that like
Speaker 1: we only see Christie once in the series, and we
Speaker 1: see Chelsea a lot, but I honestly prefer prefer con Britton.
Speaker 1: But I feel like she's the Gaga of the series,
Speaker 1: where she's sort of the centerpiece of that series. A
Speaker 1: little bit, um guys were building up a lot of
Speaker 1: anticipation for the next theme park for our city, uh
Speaker 1: soap opera or horror anthology, and we can confidently say
Speaker 1: that it will probably take place. What is it gonna be?
Speaker 1: Three months in Los Angeles you're gonna be in one.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be just It's gonna be justin evening in Anna,
Speaker 1: justin evening and justin evening and Annah. And maybe we'll
Speaker 1: also go to Valencia, Darling and Valencic Spice Magic Mountain,
Speaker 1: have a night out on the mountain. I still said before, Um,
Speaker 1: I guess I'll go next. Okay, here we go. This
Speaker 1: is my I don't think so, Honey, here we go,
Speaker 1: bow and bring me in. I don't think the honey matts.
Speaker 1: I don't think that honey, time starts now. I don't
Speaker 1: think so. Cincinnati, Ohio, bitch was in you just last
Speaker 1: year and there was nothing to do. Your Panera bread
Speaker 1: clothes at eight clock, your your restaurants closed at eight o'clock.
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe it. It It was a Tuesday evening. It's
Speaker 1: as if you believe that people have dinner at six
Speaker 1: thirty and then call it a fucking night. And also
Speaker 1: your hotels horrible. And I had stayed in a brand
Speaker 1: new holiday in and guess what, nary a restaurant for
Speaker 1: me to order from? What am I supposed to do? Starve?
Speaker 1: You're starving for culture. I walked down the street to Cincinnati.
Speaker 1: I've seen nothing but industrial building. I've seen nothing. Your
Speaker 1: baseball team sucked, the Reds. What a name is that?
Speaker 1: I had to leave the city and go thirty miles
Speaker 1: outside the city to go to Paramount King's Island Theme
Speaker 1: Park to find any some entertainment. Let me tell you something, Cincinnati,
Speaker 1: I don't think so. You're never gonna get a theme
Speaker 1: song sung by Taylor Swift. You're gonna get nothing. Cincinnati, Ohio.
Speaker 1: You're boring your bland. You're not very grand. That's one minute.
Speaker 1: Can I just say really quickly about Sincinday? I agree.
Speaker 1: I also in the before I moved to New York,
Speaker 1: I managed a call center in Cincinnati, Um, very long
Speaker 1: from remotely for so. I worked for a company called
Speaker 1: group On. Heard of it, And my last job at
Speaker 1: group On was I managed remotely from Chicago call centers
Speaker 1: in Cincinnati, Austin or Cincinnati, Virginia and Austin. Wow, that's legit.
Speaker 1: Um yeah, it was way too much responsibility for twenty
Speaker 1: year old man. And let me tell you when a
Speaker 1: twenty four year old game Asian man walks into a
Speaker 1: call center in Cincinnati and starts bostling around all the
Speaker 1: old white men that that like run the call center
Speaker 1: there for the day to day. I did not love it.
Speaker 1: And it was literally election night it was Romney lost,
Speaker 1: so tensions were already high. But Cincinnati, I will say
Speaker 1: this for them, they have a restaurant called Thanksgiving every day.
Speaker 1: It is literally what you think it is. It is
Speaker 1: a fast casual restaurant where you can get turkey stuffing,
Speaker 1: uh like rolls, all of the thanks Giving fix things.
Speaker 1: And it's brilliant and it's open until three. Everything closed
Speaker 1: so early there though, I know. But this guy, this
Speaker 1: place was opened by a college student. Oh that's brilliant.
Speaker 1: Good for him. I was hearing the last time I
Speaker 1: was talking shit about Cincinnati. UM was in at Maud
Speaker 1: and our director at the time, bed Weed Marsham, was like,
Speaker 1: I'm from Cincinnati's the nicest sketch. Oh yeah, he's great.
Speaker 1: He's very funny. He fucking writes some some such some
Speaker 1: So you just said you'd fuck him. He's attracted. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, I don't know what I said.
Speaker 1: In Park Slope at a coffee shopping we just had
Speaker 1: the loveliest conversation. Is a very nice I like him
Speaker 1: very much. Yes, I like him a lot, and he
Speaker 1: writes some funny ass ship. He is very funny, I
Speaker 1: will say in our one on one at the end
Speaker 1: of two oh one, and I was in a hollacious
Speaker 1: two o one class in the middle of the afternoon
Speaker 1: and it was literally all twenty two year old boys
Speaker 1: from Long Island. Sorry, like was it was just so bad,
Speaker 1: but like he was great, and in our one on
Speaker 1: one he was like, I can I can tell that
Speaker 1: you're very, very funny and good at this. I don't
Speaker 1: know if I always get what you. Ben said that,
Speaker 1: and I was like, hey, you wrote a sketchow about
Speaker 1: baseball and I liked it, but also same like I
Speaker 1: know you're very funny, and maybe we don't we just
Speaker 1: don't schell, you know, like he directed the show where
Speaker 1: I played Ryan Murphy, and the whole sketch was just
Speaker 1: turning turning television shows gayer because that's how that's how
Speaker 1: you make them good. And Ryan Murphy's broad and I
Speaker 1: remember just like I'd be doing this sketch in his
Speaker 1: note to be like, yeah, okay, that was funny, just
Speaker 1: be like yeah, I don't know for like going to
Speaker 1: change much about this, but I love ben Um and
Speaker 1: what the sketch with Dommin's a litto where he played
Speaker 1: Dookie Tits. I didn't see that, Okay, no, look up,
Speaker 1: dom Men's a little place. Dukie Tits Langon Kingsley's in
Speaker 1: the video, Katie Ruth in it for a little bit
Speaker 1: at the end, Alex dixons in it. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: it's Alex Dixon's really funny. She's great. Okay, all right,
Speaker 1: it's such a funny video. Joel. I don't think it's honey.
Speaker 1: All right, this is Joel's. I don't think some new
Speaker 1: debut and it's an anxiety and this is your legacy. Say,
Speaker 1: I don't think so honey as much. Here we go,
Speaker 1: I don't think so honey, Joel Kim Booster jolly go Now,
Speaker 1: I don't think so honey. Saint Louis not Lois Missouri, bitch.
Speaker 1: I see you, I see you so close to Chicago.
Speaker 1: Do you think your proximity and the fact that we
Speaker 1: share a river makes you as good as us? Don't
Speaker 1: even step You are trash and everyone knows you are trash.
Speaker 1: What do you favous for? Fried ravioli? That's not a food.
Speaker 1: You can't just take another food and fry it and
Speaker 1: say it's your signature fucking dish. You gotta come with
Speaker 1: a good signature food, bitch, and your signature landmark and
Speaker 1: arch that you have to pay twenty four dollars to
Speaker 1: get into a rickety elevator to get to the fucking
Speaker 1: top of the arch, I don't think so, honey. I
Speaker 1: can go to Chicago and get into a fucking glass
Speaker 1: floor yea Billis tower for a way cheaper than that, Honey.
Speaker 1: I don't think so. Your gay bar I went to it.
Speaker 1: It's under a highway for like, especially good for all
Speaker 1: you fucking little goblin boys in in St. Louis, because
Speaker 1: I don't think, Sonny, your gay community side meant St.
Speaker 1: Louis is gay community sucks. He doesn't. But everything else
Speaker 1: that I mean totally you can own everything else. I'm
Speaker 1: I'm very happy with that. I don't think that was wonderful.
Speaker 1: And also I learned a lot what how expensive to
Speaker 1: go to the top of the arch? You know, I
Speaker 1: just um, we got there and it was just us
Speaker 1: in a bunch of fucking Amish people, and we turned
Speaker 1: right around and found out twenty four hour speaking of
Speaker 1: the word willis me Zach Willis and Eric Gerson went
Speaker 1: to the top of the Freedom Tower a few weeks
Speaker 1: ago and it was so cool. It was have you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the pictures are one thing, but the experience is another thing,
Speaker 1: because you the elevator ride is like a ride in
Speaker 1: and of itself, and as you ascend, like you can
Speaker 1: see that the creation of the city around you. Like it,
Speaker 1: it's as if you started like year fifteen hundred, and
Speaker 1: then when you get to the top of your twos
Speaker 1: and sixteen and it shows like the rise and fall
Speaker 1: of the buildings and like they're being It was very emotional.
Speaker 1: And then when you get to the top, like this
Speaker 1: is a movie, and then the movie screen pulls up
Speaker 1: in there's the view of Manhattan and you're like, whoa,
Speaker 1: that's a cool experience. It was. I was happy that
Speaker 1: that I did it. I'm going to do that. Um, great,
Speaker 1: this is This has been a great episode of It's
Speaker 1: been a great episode. We've learned a lot about the
Speaker 1: musical theater past, which is which is actually a great
Speaker 1: sort of like like a narrative for for for every
Speaker 1: person who's dabbles in musical In fact, maybe next week
Speaker 1: we should do a whole episode about musical there Broadway
Speaker 1: cast chords, waitress. I can't get in half. I think
Speaker 1: we have we might have a guest in mind. I
Speaker 1: have a guest in mind. All right, Well, to be continued.
Speaker 1: Thanks so much to Joel for joining us um. I
Speaker 1: hate Joel Kim. That's your Twitter hand anything else, that's
Speaker 1: where you can find him. Come on. So I'm on
Speaker 1: Comedy Central third season of The Mountdown with Jonah CuMo,
Speaker 1: which premieres on septemb I believe I'm on the first step,
Speaker 1: but I'm not sure. But either way you'll find me
Speaker 1: on that season. And I We'm wearing a crop top
Speaker 1: on TV. Absolutely you must and come see us at
Speaker 1: um do perform in Lake Homo High. Will not be
Speaker 1: in this show. You're not going to be in it. No,
Speaker 1: And there's this story off camp or off camp. We're
Speaker 1: always on cam. Alright, guys, good night, good night, wait
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