1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:03,560 Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox 2 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 1: Sports Radio hour or two on this Wednesday, a busy 3 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:10,799 Speaker 1: first hour, Dan and the Dans Dan Patrick Shone spent 4 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 1: a little time talking about OBJ after I questioned if 5 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 1: he was healthy enough to be able to play? When 6 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 1: would he be able to play? And then OBJ reached 7 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:22,640 Speaker 1: out to the show last night, calling me an outsider 8 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 1: and had a laughing emoji. I believe there were tears 9 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 1: crying emoji or he's laughing so hard that he's crying that. 10 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on, but I did know 11 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:39,559 Speaker 1: enough to ask the question, is he healthy enough right 12 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 1: now to play? I think this is about OBJ preparing 13 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 1: for next season and the season after that. Maybe not 14 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 1: this season, because Jerry Jones and the Cowboys admitted, you know, 15 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 1: without a physical here, passing a physical, then you know, 16 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 1: maybe we're not talking about OBJ this year. Maybe he 17 00:00:56,920 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: would not go to Dallas. Edward Er broke that story 18 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 1: all right, Age seven seven, three d P Show email 19 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 1: Andre stp at Dan Patrick dot com, Twitter handle at 20 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 1: dp's show. Baker Mayfield goes to the Rams. I think 21 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:11,040 Speaker 1: it's a great pick up for them. They don't have 22 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 1: much to risk here. And maybe you have your quarterback 23 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 1: of the future, maybe cost you a seventh round pick, 24 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 1: and they're so desperate. He may start tomorrow night in 25 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:24,039 Speaker 1: the game against the Raiders. Jimmy Garoppolo got good news 26 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:26,399 Speaker 1: that maybe he could come back in time for the 27 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 1: super Bowl. But I view it as awkward news. If 28 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 1: Brock Purdy gets you to the super Bowl, I'm not 29 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 1: welcoming Jimmy Garoppolo back to go Ah. Hey, thanks for 30 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 1: holding my place here. I got it from here on out. 31 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:42,120 Speaker 1: Jimmy g is not that kind of quarterback for me. 32 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 1: Where you go? Thank god he's back. If Brock Purdy 33 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 1: gets you there, I'm fine with that. The Titans fired 34 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 1: their GM John Robinson. That normally doesn't happen during the season, 35 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 1: but A J. Brown and he just got a contract extension. 36 00:01:56,120 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 1: AJ Brown, who goes to Philadelphia on Draft night torches 37 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 1: his former team, and then the GM who decided to 38 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 1: trade him to Philadelphia got fired. But also, if I 39 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 1: look at what he did with the draft picks, he 40 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 1: got two draft picks. He got Burke's the wide receiver 41 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:20,359 Speaker 1: who's pretty good, and he got the quarterback Malik Willis. Yeah, 42 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 1: they got a couple of extra thirds because of that trade, 43 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 1: and they were able to spend one of them on Willis. 44 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 1: But that might turn out to be a good deal 45 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 1: for them. It's just he torched the team that traded him, 46 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 1: and the GM was fired. Aaron Judge is staying with 47 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 1: the Yankees nine years, three hundred sixty million dollars. The 48 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 1: Podres offered more, and he turned them down, and the 49 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 1: Padres also offered more for trade Turner, and he turned 50 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 1: them down and went to the Phillies. But the Padres, 51 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 1: from what I'm reading, they were all in till the 52 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 1: very end, and they offered him more money than the 53 00:02:57,520 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: Yankees did, but he took the lower offer to stay 54 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 1: with him. Yankees. Alrighty, let's bring in our good buddy, 55 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 1: Marcellus Wiley, the former All Pro defensive end and his 56 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:10,920 Speaker 1: podcast More to It on the Dan Patrick Podcast Network. 57 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 1: You can find that wherever you listen to your podcast. 58 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:17,640 Speaker 1: This week, Marcellus tells us why the culture is turning 59 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:22,520 Speaker 1: on Deon senders. Let me start there. Beaumonty Jones was 60 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 1: on CNN and Beaumonty Jones called Deon a sellout. Yeah, 61 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 1: it's maddening and it's sad when you talk about the 62 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 1: black culture, especially as Beaumonti is referring to that, we 63 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 1: try to define it, we try to limit it. We 64 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 1: try to say that that subscription to those thoughts, beliefs, 65 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 1: and actions what culture is is all you can be. 66 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 1: So when you call someone to sell out, what you're 67 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:58,119 Speaker 1: really saying is they have to act a certain way 68 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 1: or else, and that is undermining what any experience, any 69 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 1: life is about. You shouldn't limit anybody. The only box 70 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 1: you should be in is no box. And Dean Sanders 71 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 1: has the right to not only go to an HBCU 72 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 1: for three years, bring notoriety, attention, production, really shine a 73 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:22,479 Speaker 1: light on the talent that is down there and has 74 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 1: the same right to elevate to go to the next level. 75 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:28,039 Speaker 1: And no one is going to tell the truth on 76 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 1: this situation, it seems like, but the reality is that 77 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 1: HBCU doesn't have the proper resources to compete with the 78 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:38,040 Speaker 1: Power of Fives or most of the pwis. It's just 79 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:41,720 Speaker 1: that simple. So as a coach, you're trying to recruit 80 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:46,280 Speaker 1: the best talent. As a institution, you're also trying to 81 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:50,040 Speaker 1: recruit the best coaches, and the best of the best 82 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 1: are not at the HBCU level. It's just really sad 83 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 1: that when you all of a sudden want to judge 84 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:58,280 Speaker 1: a person's character and their personality just based off of 85 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 1: a decision for them to make themselves better. And I 86 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:03,599 Speaker 1: wonder how long could he stay at Jackson State for 87 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 1: people to then go, oh, okay, now it's okay, because, 88 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 1: in fairness to Dion, he revitalized a program, got him 89 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:16,719 Speaker 1: national attention, tons of coverage for the rest of the conference, 90 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 1: and after three years, decided that he was going to 91 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 1: take the Colorado job. Yeah. I think what happened Marcellis 92 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:26,479 Speaker 1: is when he said that, you know, this was a 93 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:30,280 Speaker 1: calling from God to send him to Jackson State, that 94 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 1: now it sounded like that. Then there was more to this, 95 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:37,599 Speaker 1: like oh my God, this is my chosen path, I 96 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:42,159 Speaker 1: have to do this. I think that's where people then think, wait, 97 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 1: did God say go to Colorado now? Or you and 98 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 1: these are you know, I'm paraphrasing Beaumani here that when 99 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:51,480 Speaker 1: you bring God into the equation here, that's when I 100 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:54,160 Speaker 1: think it gets a little tricky for people. Yeah, the 101 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:57,479 Speaker 1: craziest thing about it all is that you can't do that. 102 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 1: You can't do that like Bemani knows better. I'm really 103 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 1: disappointed because this is still a phrase and term that 104 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:08,719 Speaker 1: is going around the whole sellout. He's not a sellout. 105 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 1: He just didn't buy into the BS. And the BS 106 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 1: is that, Oh, you have to sacrifice your entire career 107 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 1: just so that the culture can thrive. No, you have 108 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 1: to respect and represent as a person that is black 109 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 1: to be the best version of you, which will turn 110 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:30,359 Speaker 1: into quote unquote excellence or black excellence the way you 111 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 1: want to define it. But Dion was a recruiter. Dion 112 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:41,719 Speaker 1: didn't just recruit players. Dion also recruited organizations. He recruited sponsors. 113 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:46,600 Speaker 1: He recruited the public at large. As my kid is joking, right, 114 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:51,600 Speaker 1: your daughter, your daughter needs you. Okay, I'm going upstairs, 115 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 1: Anson Waffles. She's tired of hearing go at it like that. 116 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:03,480 Speaker 1: Oh good man, help me understand what an NFL physical 117 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:07,360 Speaker 1: is that Odell Beckham, Odell Beckham would be going into 118 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 1: Dallas or Buffalo or New York. What is that physical 119 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 1: going to be like? Yeah, the physical um obviously is 120 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 1: going to be hyper focused on his need, the need 121 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 1: that he's injured multiple times. They're going to be hyper 122 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 1: focused on that and also a timetable. It's not just 123 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 1: are you structurally sound. It's very difficult to see if 124 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 1: he's adjusted mentally to trust his body, to trust himself, 125 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 1: to see if he's going to go out there and 126 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 1: play in a six gear instead of just playing cautiously. 127 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 1: But the most important thing is a timetable, like when 128 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 1: are you going to be available? It's not just okay, 129 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 1: you're structurally sound, Okay, you trust yourself. When are you 130 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 1: going to go on the field and show us that 131 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 1: you still can be Odell Beckham Junior And all of 132 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 1: these things end with ellipsis like dot dot dot. You 133 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 1: just don't know. There is a certain level of uncertainty 134 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 1: that you have to go out there and play. Guests work, 135 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 1: but you're trying to check as mini boxes as you can. 136 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 1: Odell's gonna say all the right things, hopefully his body 137 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 1: is going to check all those boxes as well, but 138 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 1: there's still that gap of uncertainty that you won't find 139 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 1: out to you hit that view well, nobody asked the 140 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 1: question until I did yesterday, and OBJ responded to me 141 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 1: or to the show, basically calling me an outsider and 142 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 1: had a laughing emoji where he's got tears, but I 143 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 1: just said, when can he play? I don't care where 144 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 1: he goes. I just want to know if he's going 145 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:36,679 Speaker 1: to be able to play this year and now. Then 146 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 1: soon after that, Jerry Jones talked about, hey, we don't 147 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 1: know because that fiscal is so important. There nobody asked 148 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 1: this question Marcellis of when can you play? It was 149 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 1: all about the Cowboys. Therefore, if the Cowboys is on 150 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 1: the rundown of your show, that's all you need. How 151 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:55,839 Speaker 1: do we work the Cowboys into the show? I just 152 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 1: wanted to know can he play for this team in 153 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 1: a month from now? And we said, yeah, great question. 154 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 1: And the reason why you got that reaction because hit 155 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 1: dogs holler. You know, you hit the dog right where 156 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 1: it hurts. It's like, oh damn, trying to pull a 157 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:13,559 Speaker 1: fast one here. When you have multiple injuries to the 158 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 1: same knee. It's kind of like how they say repetitive 159 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:21,839 Speaker 1: concussions and that concussion syndrome. Like the first one, okay, 160 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 1: everything responds perfectly. The second one, not only are you 161 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 1: trying to get back to where you were, but there 162 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:32,840 Speaker 1: is severe trauma to that injury because it's been repeated 163 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 1: in terms of the injuries. So now I'm Odell Beckham knows, dude, 164 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 1: I may have just bitten off more than I can chew. 165 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 1: And this is a situation where you just want to 166 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:46,199 Speaker 1: pass the physical and then you're worried about playing for 167 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 1: that team. And I think that they're trying to conflict 168 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:51,719 Speaker 1: those two things. Make those two things one so that 169 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 1: people like Dan Patrick don't go out there and call 170 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:56,959 Speaker 1: them for what they are. Yeah, I got cold an outsider, 171 00:09:57,559 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 1: Damn man. You know it's a problem. Like anytime anybody says, oh, 172 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 1: you don't know what you're talking about, it's like, well, 173 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:05,079 Speaker 1: then while you're responding like that, man, Yeah, I do 174 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:09,559 Speaker 1: the obvious, right. You on the podcast talked about Baker 175 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:13,439 Speaker 1: Mayfield and you said he's he's his own worst enemy. 176 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 1: Here he is with the Rams now and they didn't 177 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:20,599 Speaker 1: give up much. Maybe he's their future. Why is he 178 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 1: is his own worst enemy? Baker Mayfield didn't injustice mentality 179 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 1: because of persona, because of brand. I think Baker Mayfield 180 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:33,080 Speaker 1: really brought into the underdog that he was at one 181 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 1: time in his career, absolutely in terms of being a 182 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 1: college walk on and then transferring schools and then win 183 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 1: in the high school Trophy. Yeah, that's an underdog story, 184 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:45,560 Speaker 1: but it's time to flip the page. And I think 185 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 1: he should have flipped that page when he was the 186 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 1: first pick in the NFL draft. You're no longer an underdog, 187 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 1: but you're lying to yourself. That's not the proper fuel 188 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 1: for you to get to the next level. So what 189 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 1: happens is Baker Mayfield was kind of look for fights, 190 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:06,559 Speaker 1: looking for issues, looking for motivation anywhere to feed this underdog. 191 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 1: But that's not what the dog eats anymore. The dog 192 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 1: was eating a franchise quarterback number one. So then he 193 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 1: starts attacking his coaches, attacking his teammates. Everyone became the 194 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 1: issue instead of the guy in the mirror. So coach 195 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:21,960 Speaker 1: used to always tell us when you got a problem, 196 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 1: look in the mirror, not the window, because when you 197 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 1: look in the window, you're looking outside at everybody else 198 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:29,960 Speaker 1: and trying to blame them. And Baker Mayfield has never 199 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 1: had that realization. And frankly, I don't think that going 200 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 1: to the RAMS is going to change his mentality. And 201 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:39,079 Speaker 1: his issue is not his talent level. His issue is 202 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:41,680 Speaker 1: between the ears, and so far I don't see the salvation. 203 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 1: Go make those waffles for your daughter. Thank you. She 204 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 1: is beating at the door. Thank you. That's Marcella's Wilding, 205 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 1: former All Pro defensive end and his podcast More to 206 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 1: It available on the Dan Patrick Podcast Network, and it's 207 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 1: a unique journey around the sports and entertainment cultural land. 208 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 1: Escape there, and he's got opinions on Dion Lebron and 209 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 1: also Antonio Brown. On this week's podcast, Scott and Tampa 210 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:11,680 Speaker 1: leads this off second hour high Scott, what's on your 211 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:15,320 Speaker 1: mind today? Well, thanks for taking my call. Guys. Hey, 212 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:18,440 Speaker 1: everybody on Chat road, guys in the back room two 213 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 1: sixty and we're at six foot right now, so that's 214 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 1: not gonna change. But hey, um uh, just based off 215 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:29,560 Speaker 1: the conversation that you just had, um and some thoughts 216 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:32,679 Speaker 1: on my own. What if O'Dell knows that his knee 217 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:35,960 Speaker 1: is worse than what he's alluding to and he's going 218 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 1: to have to take another year off. What if he 219 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:39,960 Speaker 1: uses this as an excuse to see where as good 220 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 1: buddy Tom Brady's going to commit to after this season? 221 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 1: And maybe since the forty nine ers haven't picked up 222 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:49,679 Speaker 1: on Baker Mayfield, you know, there's a couple of spots 223 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 1: right there. They might just team up on that coast. 224 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 1: I guess everything is possible if you want to, you know, 225 00:12:56,160 --> 00:13:00,200 Speaker 1: bring in OBJ. But Tom Brady playing another year San 226 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:04,079 Speaker 1: Francisco make it even more complicated with their quarterbacking situation. 227 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:07,840 Speaker 1: I don't see that happening there. He's got a passive 228 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:12,199 Speaker 1: physical that's in passive physical. And then let me know 229 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 1: when you can play. It's all I asked. But you 230 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 1: can play hurt. But coming off knee surgery, and this 231 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 1: is the second one on the same knee, having had 232 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 1: six surgeries on one knee, I can tell you just 233 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 1: everyday life can be a struggle walking. You want to run, 234 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 1: you want to exercise. I'm gonna ask this guy to 235 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 1: go out there and try to be what he was 236 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:39,439 Speaker 1: five seven years ago. It's asking an awful lot. And 237 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:43,680 Speaker 1: if you've ever had surgery, when you make a turn, 238 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 1: you play basketball, you play tennis, you play racquetball, just 239 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:51,079 Speaker 1: those little turns, tweaks, and you think about it every 240 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 1: single time. I don't know if he can play. I 241 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 1: hope he can, and I don't care if he plays 242 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 1: for the Cowboys. I'm just curious about the timing of 243 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:05,080 Speaker 1: all of this canny play this year because Jerry Jones 244 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 1: wants ob J now, not next year. Now. He wants 245 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:13,319 Speaker 1: to win the Super Bowl. Now. The NFC is down, 246 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:16,839 Speaker 1: Green Bay is down, Tampa is not formidable. San Francisco 247 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:18,960 Speaker 1: just lost their quarterback. You don't have to worry about 248 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 1: the Rams. The Eagles are very good. You have to 249 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 1: worry about the Eagles and maybe the forty nine ers. 250 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 1: That's probably what Jerry's thinking. I need OBJ now to 251 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 1: win a Super Bowl. He's waited a long, long, long time, 252 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 1: and that's why he's the one that started this about 253 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 1: OBJ and OBJ going to the Giants, talking to the Bills, 254 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 1: going to the Cowboys. I think he's setting himself up 255 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 1: for next year where he can ask for eighteen twenty 256 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 1: million dollars a year. Because I don't know if he's 257 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 1: healthy enough to be able to say that's going to 258 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 1: validate paying you that kind of money. I don't know that. Okay, 259 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 1: all right, we'll take a break. 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Seth Wickersham back on the program. 285 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 1: The ESPN senior writer did a deep dive with Andrew Luck. 286 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 1: We had been waiting for any kind of response, we'd 287 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 1: been trying for years. With Andrew Luck, I found out 288 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 1: the reason why Seth probably got the interview is, well, 289 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 1: you tell me, Seth, you'd reached out to him a 290 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 1: while ago. What did Andrew Luck tell you was the 291 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 1: reason why or one of the reasons why you got 292 00:16:56,320 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 1: this interview? Man, if I knew that being an extreme 293 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:04,639 Speaker 1: skier and you know, risking my life many times in 294 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:07,399 Speaker 1: the pursuit of an adrenaline rush would actually help me 295 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 1: in my career, I would have done this a lot more. 296 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 1: But yeah, we had. We had corresponded for well over 297 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:13,920 Speaker 1: a year. But there was one morning that I was 298 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 1: in his kitchen and um, he goes, you know, you 299 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:19,440 Speaker 1: know why you're here, right? And I wasn't exactly sure 300 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:20,920 Speaker 1: what he was getting at, and I was like, no, 301 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 1: I meant like I thought he meant like in his kitchen. 302 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 1: I was like no, And he goes, because you ski, 303 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 1: have you ever gotten an interview based on your ability, Yeah, 304 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:36,679 Speaker 1: but based on my athletic ability no. Never. Okay, when 305 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 1: does it become an on the record interview? Um? Quickly? 306 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 1: I uh, you know, we had talked, we talked off 307 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 1: the record once, but when I showed up, you know, 308 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 1: and I think that was in May. I was there 309 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:57,200 Speaker 1: for a week. Was our first kind of real series 310 00:17:57,280 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 1: of interviews where we met once and twice a day. 311 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 1: You know. I was there with my iPad recording and 312 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 1: my phone recording in my notebook, and you know, we 313 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 1: were ready to go. And there's nothing, nothing that Andrew 314 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 1: Luck wouldn't answer on the record. I've mentioned this before 315 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:15,120 Speaker 1: a few times on the show, that there are athletes 316 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:17,399 Speaker 1: who are really good at what they do. That doesn't 317 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 1: mean they really love what they do. They don't like 318 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 1: that defining them. And the more I read your article 319 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 1: on Andrew Luck, I couldn't help but think he was 320 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 1: meant to be this and do this in son of 321 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 1: a quarterback, and he was going to be a Hall 322 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:33,159 Speaker 1: of famer. But you have to be all in to 323 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:36,680 Speaker 1: be that Hall of famer. And I couldn't help but 324 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:39,639 Speaker 1: think of Ricky Williams, the former running back who just 325 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:42,160 Speaker 1: said this isn't my calling. This is what I don't 326 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 1: want to be defined this way. What did you glean 327 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:49,440 Speaker 1: from Andrew luck about did he really love football or 328 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:52,160 Speaker 1: did he fall out of love with football? Well, there's 329 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 1: no question he fell out of love with it. But 330 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:56,680 Speaker 1: the interesting thing is he actually defined himself that way, 331 00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:59,479 Speaker 1: like there was a narrative around him which he kind 332 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:02,640 Speaker 1: of helped. Frankly that you know, he could have done 333 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 1: a lot of different things coming out of Stanford, been 334 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 1: an architect or an engineer or scientist, whatever, but he 335 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:11,639 Speaker 1: chose football. I think that he was way more of 336 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:15,240 Speaker 1: a junkie and his self identity was way tied up 337 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 1: more in being a quarterback than even he was willing 338 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 1: to admit. Frankly, I think it's taken him years to 339 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 1: get to the point where he's comfortable with that and 340 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 1: accepting of the fact that he is a quarterback and 341 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:30,880 Speaker 1: that he does love sports and that he does love football, 342 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:33,680 Speaker 1: even though it took a lot from him and he 343 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 1: gave a lot into it. The injuries, though, at what 344 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 1: point do you say, I just don't want to fight 345 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:43,919 Speaker 1: through this anymore. Yeah, it was definitely a point with him, 346 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 1: but it wasn't only chronic pain it was how he 347 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 1: acted in chronic pain. And it goes back to that 348 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 1: self identity stuff. I mean, when he came to the NFL, 349 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 1: we often forget that just basic pressure affects these guys 350 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 1: a lot more than any of us really want to admit. 351 00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:00,040 Speaker 1: But I mean, he came to the NFL expected not 352 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 1: only to be a great quarterback, but a transcendent one, 353 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:05,640 Speaker 1: replacing Peyton Manning, who really was the first quarterback ever 354 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:09,159 Speaker 1: to really run a building. I mean the Colts. Andrew 355 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 1: Luck was twenty two years old when he arrived at 356 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 1: the Colts, and the Colts expected the quarterback to weigh 357 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:16,400 Speaker 1: in on everything from training methods to offense to everything. 358 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 1: You know. It was a big warning curve, and I 359 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 1: think that he threw himself so far into it to 360 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:24,760 Speaker 1: live up to the expectations of the team, the city, 361 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 1: and himself that there was parts of himself that when 362 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:31,239 Speaker 1: he really looked hard, and it took injuries for him 363 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 1: to really look hard at those aspects of his personality, 364 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:37,919 Speaker 1: he really didn't like about himself and he wanted to change. 365 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:41,400 Speaker 1: And I think that's what did it. You know, injuries. 366 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:44,440 Speaker 1: There's no question that fighting through pain can warp decision making. 367 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 1: It can affect your mood, but it was deeper than 368 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 1: that with Andrew. Remember in twenty seventeen, he disappeared to 369 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:54,879 Speaker 1: Holland for seven eight weeks and to try to rehab 370 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:58,680 Speaker 1: his shoulder, and he did, but he also took some 371 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 1: hard looks at himself. He just he wouldn't communicate with 372 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:05,919 Speaker 1: anybody about the pressure and the pain that he was feeling, 373 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 1: including his wife to be, Nicole, and she was ready 374 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 1: to leave him. And at one point she told me, 375 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 1: she said, I had no place to contribute because Andrew 376 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:19,359 Speaker 1: wouldn't communicate. And at one night in Holland, Andrew broke. 377 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 1: He cried, he vented, he admitted all the stress that 378 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:26,120 Speaker 1: he had been under. He started to see a professional 379 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:29,120 Speaker 1: therapist and his trainer, This man named William Kramer ended 380 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:32,120 Speaker 1: up serving as kind of a couples therapist for him 381 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 1: and Nicole. And when he returned to the NFL, he 382 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:39,200 Speaker 1: did so with a mindset that he was going to 383 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:44,200 Speaker 1: put himself and his family first. And really, even though 384 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 1: he still played at a high level and one comeback 385 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:48,480 Speaker 1: Player of the Year, I think that when he made 386 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:50,440 Speaker 1: that decision, that was the beginning of the end for 387 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 1: his career. But I also wonder about that with you know, 388 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:57,920 Speaker 1: we saw Tom Brady where Giselle reportedly said, hey, us 389 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 1: or football? He chose football. Did Andrew luck face sort 390 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:05,679 Speaker 1: of that, Hey, is it me? Or is it going 391 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:09,639 Speaker 1: to be football with his girlfriend? No? No, no, definitely not. 392 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:13,479 Speaker 1: And I think that she would have left him earlier 393 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 1: because of his behavior and because of how kind of 394 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:20,440 Speaker 1: selfish and closeted and secretive and just stressed he was. 395 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:24,359 Speaker 1: But when he walked away, she was willing. At that 396 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:28,720 Speaker 1: point they were married. Like Anthony Costanza, one of his teammates, said, 397 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:31,200 Speaker 1: you know, for Andrew to continue going, he knew that 398 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 1: it had to be Andrew's world where everyone catered to him. 399 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 1: Nicole was willing to cater to him if that's what 400 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 1: he wanted. She was willing to be a supportive partner. 401 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 1: It was Andrew who didn't want it. I think that 402 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:44,760 Speaker 1: when he injured his ankle in twenty eighteen and it 403 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 1: carried over in the twenty nineteen offseason and he really 404 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:49,920 Speaker 1: couldn't figure out what was wrong with it. Three MRIs 405 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 1: revealed nothing. He reverted back into that cycle of moodiness 406 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 1: of not communicating of William Kramer told me being a 407 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:04,200 Speaker 1: spoiled bratt and he recognized that in himself, and maybe 408 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 1: maybe with more time he could have seen away where 409 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 1: he could have been a person that he was more 410 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 1: proud of and been a great quarterback. But at the 411 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 1: time it felt like a binary decision, and he chose 412 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 1: himself and his family. But he was trying to play. 413 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 1: He was, but I think that like he was trying, 414 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 1: but I also think he was doing so out of obligation. 415 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 1: I think that he had been thinking about retiring for 416 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 1: a long time, and I think that if he had 417 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:30,919 Speaker 1: to do it over again, he would have retired right 418 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,440 Speaker 1: at the end of that twenty eighteen season, one of 419 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:35,399 Speaker 1: his best he won Comeback Player of the Year, they 420 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:37,520 Speaker 1: won a playoff game. I think he would have walked away. Then. 421 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 1: How often if the Colts reach out to him to 422 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:44,240 Speaker 1: ask him to take his temperature and coming back, I 423 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 1: think only one time overtly, but it's always kind of 424 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,360 Speaker 1: been in the air. I mean, he goes to the well. 425 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 1: He lives in Palo Alto now, but the past couple 426 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:54,120 Speaker 1: of years he goes to the Colts facility quite a bit, 427 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,920 Speaker 1: and he visits with coach Reich and you know he 428 00:23:57,560 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 1: they all kind of wonder like, hey, is he trying 429 00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:02,880 Speaker 1: to tell us that he wants back in. And there 430 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 1: was one moment where Frank Reik was driving and he 431 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 1: pulled a message in a bottle by the police. Poor 432 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 1: Indianapolis Colts fans are never going to hear a message 433 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:13,160 Speaker 1: in the bottle the same way again. But he pulled 434 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 1: that's on the radio, and for some reason, Frank Reich 435 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:17,920 Speaker 1: was like, this is a sign. And he pulls over 436 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 1: and he sends Andrew Luck this long message sending out 437 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:24,399 Speaker 1: an SOS was the first line and Luck, you know, 438 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:26,400 Speaker 1: basically saying like, hey, look, if you want to come back, 439 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 1: we're welcoming you with open arms. And Andrew Luck wrote back, 440 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,160 Speaker 1: I appreciate the message in the bottle, but the answer 441 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 1: was no. And I asked Andrew Luck a lot of 442 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 1: times if he had it in him to come back, 443 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,400 Speaker 1: because I was just waiting for the answer to maybe 444 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:42,200 Speaker 1: change and for him to say, you know what, yes, 445 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 1: I think I am going to come back. But he's consistent. 446 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 1: I mean I think he thinks that number one, his 447 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,160 Speaker 1: body might not be able to hold up for a season, 448 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 1: and number two, he misses aspects of playing, but he's 449 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 1: not willing to give up the aspects of his life 450 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 1: that he really enjoys right now. Seth wicker Shammy, ESPN 451 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:00,879 Speaker 1: Senior writer. A deep dive on and Drew Locke is 452 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 1: a great read. He got booed when he was on 453 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 1: the sidelines. What did that feel like? It wasn't just 454 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:12,720 Speaker 1: the booing, which irritated him and angered him, frankly, it 455 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 1: was the preceding seven or eight minutes. I mean, he thought, 456 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,480 Speaker 1: maybe naively, that his retirement news was going to hold 457 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 1: until Sunday. He had told a lot of people in 458 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:22,360 Speaker 1: the building he was going to walk away and made 459 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,640 Speaker 1: its way to Adam Schefter. He breaks that during the game, 460 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,200 Speaker 1: and as we all know, any sports fan knows, the 461 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:32,520 Speaker 1: last seven minutes of an NFL preseason game are about 462 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 1: as long and as excruciating as anything in sports. And 463 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,639 Speaker 1: when the news broke, he had nowhere to go. He 464 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:42,840 Speaker 1: felt it. Everything changed, He felt the crowd sort of 465 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,640 Speaker 1: focus on him, The cameras were turning towards him. Something changed, 466 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 1: and he had nowhere to go. He just had to 467 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:52,479 Speaker 1: sit there in the spotlight and get heckled and booed, 468 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:56,919 Speaker 1: and he was scared and irritated and everything. And then 469 00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,479 Speaker 1: when he came off the field, obviously the booze got 470 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:04,760 Speaker 1: louder and more personal. Well, I could see him coach again, 471 00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:08,200 Speaker 1: or not say coach again, but I know he's talked 472 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 1: about being a high school coach. What do you think 473 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 1: And you know he's a young guy. What do you 474 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 1: think his future is? What's he going to be doing 475 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:18,720 Speaker 1: in ten years from now? I could see that high 476 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:20,920 Speaker 1: school coaching. I think the interesting thing is he's accepted 477 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:22,880 Speaker 1: that football can be a part of his life again. 478 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 1: You know, when he walked away, he really tried to 479 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:29,200 Speaker 1: disassociate from the game and tried to disassociate from his 480 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 1: identity as a quarterback, and both of those things were 481 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:35,320 Speaker 1: really hard. And I think that in August of twenty nineteen, 482 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,680 Speaker 1: in Colorado, he had met a high school football coach 483 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:40,920 Speaker 1: skiing and the guy said, hey, you ever want to 484 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,439 Speaker 1: come by and talk to the team. So Andrew comes by, 485 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,800 Speaker 1: he talks to the team, and when he was leaving, 486 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 1: he just felt rejuvenated. He felt like even though he 487 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 1: had just seen glimpses of the game that he used 488 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:57,920 Speaker 1: to love, it was affecting him in a way that 489 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:01,119 Speaker 1: he frankly missed, and that he could accept that, like 490 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:04,200 Speaker 1: football was always going to be this complicated thing for him, 491 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 1: but that he loved it and he wanted to be 492 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,720 Speaker 1: a part of it. And you know, you remember Andrew Luck. 493 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 1: I mean his book club, working on local literacy rates. 494 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:14,840 Speaker 1: Education is something he does care quite a bit about. 495 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 1: Right now, He's at Stanford getting his master's in education, 496 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 1: and I think that being a high school teacher of 497 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:22,919 Speaker 1: some sort and a high school football coach could definitely 498 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:26,480 Speaker 1: be something that he looks at doing. Seth great stuff. 499 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 1: I would have thought being a fly fisherman like I am, 500 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,720 Speaker 1: maybe that would have been the door opener for Andrew 501 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 1: Luck to bring me in. But I'm not an extreme 502 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 1: skier like you are. He fished, We fished together, and 503 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:39,440 Speaker 1: he kept saying like, hey, do you want to cast 504 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:41,720 Speaker 1: a couple of lines? I grew up in Alaska. I'm 505 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,120 Speaker 1: the worst fisherman ever. And I just was like, Nope, 506 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:46,400 Speaker 1: I'm passing. I'm going to hold the net and I'm 507 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,280 Speaker 1: going to ask questions to let him do it. Did 508 00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,680 Speaker 1: you go skiing with him? No? We didn't. You know, 509 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:53,760 Speaker 1: we talked about maybe doing that this winter, but no, 510 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:57,160 Speaker 1: we never were able to do it. Great to talk 511 00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,560 Speaker 1: to you again, Seth, thanks for joining us. Good times 512 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:03,600 Speaker 1: man than that's Seth Wickersham, the ESPN senior writer. You know, 513 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 1: we've worked on this in a variety of ways, through 514 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 1: a variety of angles to try to get an audience 515 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 1: with Andrew Luck, and he just wasn't going to do it. 516 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:12,959 Speaker 1: And then after a while, you know, you don't want 517 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:16,480 Speaker 1: to badger the witness like I respect you, but to 518 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 1: bring that story to light for my audience, you know, 519 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,160 Speaker 1: that's why I do this. There are certain things where 520 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:23,760 Speaker 1: you go, but that'd be great to have that person 521 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 1: on to talk about that story. And Andrew Luck the 522 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:32,760 Speaker 1: great mystery, And you know, you start to prioritize anybody 523 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:36,640 Speaker 1: who's gone through injuries and then to come back. There 524 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 1: is nothing darker than when you get hurt and you 525 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 1: are rehabbing by yourself while everybody else is out playing 526 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 1: and having a great time, and you're there and you 527 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 1: can't do anything, and then you get another injury, and 528 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,640 Speaker 1: then you get another injury, and then you get an 529 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 1: injury where you're not quite sure if you can come 530 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 1: back from it. With the angle injury, and he probably 531 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:01,920 Speaker 1: just said what am I doing this owns me like 532 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 1: this is controlling me. I need to control the situation. 533 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:09,920 Speaker 1: And it's a great read with Seth. Some phone calls 534 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 1: here Drew in New Mexico. Hey Drew, what's on your 535 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:18,719 Speaker 1: mind today? Hey? How we're doing this morning? Hey? Uh? 536 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,240 Speaker 1: Got to fly out to the Big Ten Championship last 537 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:25,760 Speaker 1: weekend and it was awesome that. One of the biggest 538 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 1: takeaways I had was I'm sitting waiting to go into 539 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 1: Lucasoil Stadium and there were a group of dudes in 540 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:33,480 Speaker 1: front of me and one of them I here go, 541 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:39,240 Speaker 1: who has it better than us? Nobody? Dude, it's who 542 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,720 Speaker 1: has it better than we do? Thank you, Drew. I 543 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,680 Speaker 1: appreciate you having my back there. But that is the 544 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 1: Jim Harball, the Harball family motto, who has it better 545 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,560 Speaker 1: than we do? No? Wait, what come on, let's go 546 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:57,080 Speaker 1: what's who is it better than we do? Nobody? Really? 547 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 1: I like that now we've said it so much. When 548 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:04,640 Speaker 1: there's video of the Harba saying if they're like, I 549 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:08,920 Speaker 1: know you're right about that. I saw that, I go, Uh, 550 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 1: it's hardbas. We took it from Jim sometow we own that. Yes, 551 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 1: Adam in Indianapolis. Hi, Adam, what's on your mind today? Hey? 552 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 1: How's it going great? What's uh? Six four two and 553 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 1: a quarter? Adam, Adam, Adam, what are you doing right now? 554 00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:32,560 Speaker 1: I am installing a fifty thousand dollars garage system, okay, 555 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,720 Speaker 1: as a as a Christmas president for her husband. Wait? Wait, 556 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:40,760 Speaker 1: what comes with a fifty thousand dollars price tag? Oh? 557 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,720 Speaker 1: Let's see the partitions, Like the dividers for the actual 558 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,840 Speaker 1: system are twelve feet tall, so it goes through the 559 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 1: ceiling of the garage. It'll wrap all the way around it. Um. 560 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:55,040 Speaker 1: I don't want to say the company's name because we're 561 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:58,280 Speaker 1: national and we've actually been on iHeartRadio advertise. I don't 562 00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 1: want to do that. Okay, in trouble, but she must 563 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:05,600 Speaker 1: really love her husband if she's installing this garage. Well, 564 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:07,880 Speaker 1: I mean, if you saw the house, you'd uh, they're good, 565 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:13,600 Speaker 1: they're okay. Dropping the bucket I had I had a 566 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:18,720 Speaker 1: pull question for you, inspired by the Aaron Judge comment. 567 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:20,920 Speaker 1: You said that he gets to be the captain of 568 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:22,959 Speaker 1: the Yankees because of that deal or that was an 569 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,440 Speaker 1: incentive maybe, I think so. So it got me thinking 570 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,240 Speaker 1: about all time captains because I grew up in Detroit 571 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:31,520 Speaker 1: as a Red Wings fan back when the Red Wings 572 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 1: are the Yankees of the hockey world and Steve Eiserman 573 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,240 Speaker 1: was the captain, the only captain, I mean, that was 574 00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:41,160 Speaker 1: his nickname for twenty years he was the captain. So 575 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,320 Speaker 1: it got me thinking what you guys would think about 576 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,680 Speaker 1: all time captain over the four great sports, because there's 577 00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,480 Speaker 1: been some great ones, but just not something we ever 578 00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:51,280 Speaker 1: really talked about that much. You don't hear guys talk 579 00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:53,760 Speaker 1: about its on he' about who's the best quarterback receiver. 580 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,200 Speaker 1: I don't know, and thank you, Adam. I don't know 581 00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:00,239 Speaker 1: if we really care who the captain is. I mean, 582 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,000 Speaker 1: I think it's symbolic that it's nice and Jeter had 583 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 1: the sea on his uniform. But if I said, who's 584 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:10,640 Speaker 1: the captain of you know, Tampa Bay, who's the captain 585 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:14,560 Speaker 1: of the Dodgers, who's the captain of you know the 586 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:20,040 Speaker 1: I don't know Carolina Panthers. Yeah more Mark Messier. Mark 587 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:24,160 Speaker 1: Messier was a good captain, but I think sometimes it's overrated. 588 00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:26,680 Speaker 1: I just know, when you go out there and you play, 589 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,560 Speaker 1: and I follow you with how you play, that's the 590 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,960 Speaker 1: best example. The guy who yells in the locker room 591 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,640 Speaker 1: or in the huddle. I think that wears off quickly. 592 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,120 Speaker 1: The guy who goes out there and you know you 593 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:41,080 Speaker 1: follow him, that's a good captain. Yeah, seton. It feels 594 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,880 Speaker 1: like captains are more important in some sports than they 595 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,720 Speaker 1: are and others, you know, depending on which. I don't 596 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,720 Speaker 1: know that like Derek Jeter being the captain, I don't 597 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,720 Speaker 1: know what that really means that he like rally the 598 00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:54,320 Speaker 1: team or something like, I don't really know what that 599 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:56,120 Speaker 1: would do. But in other places, a captain is like 600 00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,200 Speaker 1: the guy that speaks for the team or you know 601 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:00,960 Speaker 1: those kinds of thing. Yeah, yes, Paul. When I was 602 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,720 Speaker 1: a little kid, I remember, if I remember right, they 603 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,240 Speaker 1: refer to Thurman months in the catcher for the Yankees 604 00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:08,920 Speaker 1: as the captain, almost like a nickname, like all right 605 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,000 Speaker 1: here he is the captain up for two three in 606 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:12,920 Speaker 1: the count like it was. It was almost like a 607 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:16,280 Speaker 1: nickname for Thurman Mounthson. Yeah, I was not a Yankees guy. Yes, Hunt, 608 00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:18,640 Speaker 1: the Ryder Cup captain. That's the big one. You're like, 609 00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,480 Speaker 1: you walk around like a crown on your yeah, yeah, 610 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:26,120 Speaker 1: mess with him. Yeah, you get to wear an earpiece, Yeah, 611 00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:28,520 Speaker 1: you get to listen to everything that's going on. 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So with the 638 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:04,880 Speaker 1: Moonshine in there, the calendars and whatever's left, go get it. 639 00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:08,040 Speaker 1: December fifteenth the last day that we can guarantee that 640 00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:10,040 Speaker 1: we can ship it. It gets there in time for 641 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:13,440 Speaker 1: the holidays. Pauli has an Andrew Luck question for me. 642 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:15,680 Speaker 1: I went back and looked at Andrew Luck's draft profile 643 00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:17,360 Speaker 1: where they say the good and the bad. He was 644 00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:20,480 Speaker 1: a ninety seven prospect grade, one of the best in history, 645 00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:26,040 Speaker 1: and they had tons of positives, intangibles, the physicality there was. 646 00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:29,560 Speaker 1: There was no question marks in weaknesses. They said, we 647 00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,479 Speaker 1: can't even make one up. One would be hard fret 648 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:36,400 Speaker 1: press defined negatives to his game, no glaring weaknesses, arm strength, mobility, 649 00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:40,759 Speaker 1: history intelligence. There was no negatives. I can't find even 650 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,839 Speaker 1: Peyton Manning had negatives during his draft profile. Not a lot, 651 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,800 Speaker 1: but a bunch, but a few. Who is the player 652 00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,360 Speaker 1: coming out of college that you would have bet there's 653 00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:51,239 Speaker 1: no doubt this person will be in the NFL Hall 654 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,799 Speaker 1: of Fame someday because Luck isn't and he's not going 655 00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,080 Speaker 1: and you know it was by choice, but for whatever reason, 656 00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:00,840 Speaker 1: I was thinking, there's certain players like Andrew Luck herschel 657 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:02,200 Speaker 1: Walker when he came out of college. He's not going 658 00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:04,160 Speaker 1: to the Hall of Fame, herschel Walker because he went 659 00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:06,560 Speaker 1: to the USFL first and then he was good, not 660 00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:10,120 Speaker 1: great in the pros. And dominckin Sue when he came 661 00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:11,560 Speaker 1: I would I think I would have bet money that 662 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,080 Speaker 1: he'd be a Hall of Famer or someday Bo Jackson, 663 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:18,759 Speaker 1: Bo Jackson and maybe Michael Vick. Yeah, those are the 664 00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,560 Speaker 1: five on my list that where I would have bet 665 00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,160 Speaker 1: a week's pay during the draft that that guy's going 666 00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,799 Speaker 1: to the Hall. Luck to me was he was going 667 00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,359 Speaker 1: to a Colts team that wasn't awful. They just lost 668 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,840 Speaker 1: Manning for a year. It's a pretty pretty decent franchise. 669 00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,480 Speaker 1: When he showed up there. Yeah, yeah, I would have said, 670 00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:38,839 Speaker 1: Andrew Luck, that can't miss. And having watched Herschel when 671 00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:42,400 Speaker 1: he was in the USFL. Actually watched him at Georgia 672 00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:46,200 Speaker 1: one game, But watching him in the USFL, you know, 673 00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:48,279 Speaker 1: I'm not thinking is he going to be a Hall 674 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,080 Speaker 1: of Famer. We thought that the USFL was going to 675 00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,160 Speaker 1: have a couple of teams that got into the NFL, 676 00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:56,040 Speaker 1: and Herschel would have played for the New Jersey Generals. 677 00:36:56,520 --> 00:37:00,520 Speaker 1: But I would have said that watching Herschel, it felt 678 00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,200 Speaker 1: like Herschel was his best when he was a freshman, 679 00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:09,600 Speaker 1: a sophomore or junior at Georgia, and then he goes 680 00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:14,000 Speaker 1: to the USFL and he never had any shiftiness. If 681 00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:17,200 Speaker 1: you go back and watch Herschel, he didn't have moves 682 00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:21,120 Speaker 1: that made you miss. He just had incredible speed and 683 00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:25,799 Speaker 1: power size, but he didn't make you miss. Yeah, Mark, 684 00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,200 Speaker 1: do you think Herschel walker got used up by the 685 00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,840 Speaker 1: time he got to the NFL because he was rushing 686 00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:34,640 Speaker 1: a lot at Georgia and then also in the USFL. Well, 687 00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:38,480 Speaker 1: you don't avoid hits, and I think you started to 688 00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:41,120 Speaker 1: see this. Franco Harris is the first running back I 689 00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:44,720 Speaker 1: remember running out of bounds, and I remember Jim Brown 690 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:46,640 Speaker 1: had a problem with that, like, you don't run out 691 00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,759 Speaker 1: of bounds, But it's to live to see another play, 692 00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:52,440 Speaker 1: you know. We get caught up in the mentality of 693 00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:54,680 Speaker 1: I'm gonna take you on and I'm gonna you know, 694 00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:59,719 Speaker 1: I'm gonna power like Earl Campbell hitting Isaiah Robertson or 695 00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,279 Speaker 1: Herschel hitting Bill Bates when they were in college. Where 696 00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:05,759 Speaker 1: you go, I'm gonna plow right over you. Well, after 697 00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:09,279 Speaker 1: a while, I mean, you can't continue to do that. 698 00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,319 Speaker 1: Derrick Henry is an anomaly, but for the most part, 699 00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,680 Speaker 1: there's nothing wrong with going I'm gonna go out of bounds. 700 00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:17,560 Speaker 1: We don't like it in our football players. But if 701 00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:20,880 Speaker 1: that means I avoid one more hit, and over the 702 00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,759 Speaker 1: course of a season, how many hits am I avoiding? 703 00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:29,839 Speaker 1: Then you do that. Yeah. Carson Palmer, Yeah that well. 704 00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:33,640 Speaker 1: Going to the Bengals though that that was the tricky 705 00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,279 Speaker 1: part because he didn't start his first year. John Kitna did. 706 00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,440 Speaker 1: But I would have thought Carson Palmer coming out of 707 00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,960 Speaker 1: USC Heisman winner, Yeah, yep, he would have been on 708 00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:44,799 Speaker 1: the short list of making the Hall of Fame. Yeah, 709 00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,640 Speaker 1: point yeah, Herschel. Walker's stats with the USFL don't really 710 00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:50,080 Speaker 1: count for him. They're kind of like they don't feel right. 711 00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:53,759 Speaker 1: He averaged four hundred carries and seventeen hundred yards a 712 00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:56,839 Speaker 1: season for three years in the USFL. If you tack 713 00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:58,800 Speaker 1: that onto his NFL stats, even if he was like 714 00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:02,440 Speaker 1: thirteen hundred yard, he would be a first ballot in 715 00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,040 Speaker 1: the NFL. How many orange did he rush for in 716 00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:09,520 Speaker 1: New Jersey and the pros? Yeah, the NFL. Paul's going 717 00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:12,480 Speaker 1: to get the book, Yeah he is. He had. You know, 718 00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:14,759 Speaker 1: he played a bunch of seasons. I could have stalled better. 719 00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:18,759 Speaker 1: You know, they literally just stalled. Yeah. Herschel ran for 720 00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,080 Speaker 1: eighty two hundred yards and sixty one touchdowns. He was 721 00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:23,520 Speaker 1: actually a better receiver. He had five hundred and twelve 722 00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:27,160 Speaker 1: catches and five thousand yards. His pro career is almost 723 00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:32,680 Speaker 1: underrated because of the expectations. Trey in Wisconsin, Hi, Trey, 724 00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:36,799 Speaker 1: what's on your mind today? Hello Danny? Third time, long 725 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:41,960 Speaker 1: time a saft six foot two bills soft. I gotta 726 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,200 Speaker 1: get a couple of things off my chest real quick. 727 00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,000 Speaker 1: With Todd, he took a couple pie of the face. 728 00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:49,880 Speaker 1: That's one between me and him. And one between my 729 00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,759 Speaker 1: buddy who called him from Wisconsin. He has the Packers 730 00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:55,799 Speaker 1: winning more games than the Raiders this year. Don't want 731 00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,960 Speaker 1: you to forget they're tied right now. The next one 732 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,480 Speaker 1: he took with my buddy was that the AFC West 733 00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:04,800 Speaker 1: would only have one team make the playoffs, and he said, 734 00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:08,560 Speaker 1: no way. Well, as of right now, only the Chiefs 735 00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:11,640 Speaker 1: are in, so I don't want you to forget those No, no, 736 00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:15,560 Speaker 1: we can't. And then I got a T shirt idea 737 00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:19,200 Speaker 1: that's kind of directed at TCU fans in the student 738 00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:22,759 Speaker 1: section mainly, Okay, I'd like for it to be purples 739 00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:26,000 Speaker 1: in the front of the shirt to say, hey, Prime, 740 00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:32,000 Speaker 1: you forget your luggage question mark after TCU demolishes Colorado 741 00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:35,279 Speaker 1: in the first game next year. Oh okay, all right, 742 00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:41,200 Speaker 1: well thank you Trey roasted. Yeah burn, you want some 743 00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:44,040 Speaker 1: ice for that burn? That's a very specific T shirt, 744 00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:49,960 Speaker 1: Uh Zack and Charlotteizach, what's on your mind today? Hey? 745 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:53,880 Speaker 1: But not a great T shirt idea in my opinion 746 00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:58,040 Speaker 1: from a Georgia fan. Anyways, Up, you've got a pretty 747 00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:03,440 Speaker 1: large audience. Question is how do you stay so calm 748 00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:07,680 Speaker 1: under pressure or deal with nerves as it relates to broadcasting. 749 00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:11,920 Speaker 1: I mean saying, DP, I love your body, thank you 750 00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:17,160 Speaker 1: you love my body of work. I appreciate that. I'm 751 00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:20,000 Speaker 1: just talking to the guys in the room. And I 752 00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:22,399 Speaker 1: always did this. This was the advice that I got 753 00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:25,040 Speaker 1: a long, long time ago. Speak to the people who 754 00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:27,080 Speaker 1: are in the room with you. Therefore, you don't think 755 00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:29,560 Speaker 1: about when you get up on you know, the Super 756 00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:31,960 Speaker 1: Bowl podium, and you if you let it sink in 757 00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:35,560 Speaker 1: that one hundred million people are watching, then all of 758 00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:39,040 Speaker 1: a sudden, you get outside of your comfort zone. There. 759 00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:42,000 Speaker 1: It's when I'm on the podium and I'm talking to 760 00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:45,800 Speaker 1: the Eagles owner Jeffrey Lury, or I'm talking to Nick Foles. 761 00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:50,399 Speaker 1: I'm just in the moment there, and same with this show. 762 00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:53,520 Speaker 1: You know, we have millions of listeners here, but I'm 763 00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:55,360 Speaker 1: only talking to the guys who are right there in 764 00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,360 Speaker 1: front of me. Yes, Mark, were you nervous when you 765 00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:01,359 Speaker 1: heard Kevin Hart drunkenly asked yes, you know who I am? Yes, 766 00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:03,640 Speaker 1: when he tried to get on the podium after the 767 00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:06,319 Speaker 1: Eagles won. And I'm just hearing this voice, and I'm going, 768 00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:09,360 Speaker 1: who is Who's trying to get up here? And I 769 00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:12,520 Speaker 1: look over. It's Kevin Hart. I was like, He's like, 770 00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:14,960 Speaker 1: don't you know who I am? I'm count Hart And 771 00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:18,320 Speaker 1: I'm like, you ain't getting up here at least I 772 00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:22,480 Speaker 1: hope not? All right? One more hour to go, we'll 773 00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:25,680 Speaker 1: talk some baseball. Was Aaron Judge actually thinking about the 774 00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:29,080 Speaker 1: poddres One more item. As we close that hour two, 775 00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:31,080 Speaker 1: it's getting to be that time of the year again. 776 00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:33,920 Speaker 1: Years coming to an end. We start to make plans 777 00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:36,080 Speaker 1: for twenty twenty three. You don't have to wait until 778 00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:38,680 Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. 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