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Speaker 1: twenty two, Season seventeen. I'm sorry, Season eighteen, episode number
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Speaker 1: that year. Welcome to latest edition of the Break Well
Speaker 1: if st WBC Morri Studios at the Star, got Nick,
Speaker 1: David Amber here with me. We got a full crew.
Speaker 1: It's been now a few weeks now, we've been rolling
Speaker 1: with a full crew. So this good. Let's keep this going.
Speaker 1: Although I won't be able to be here next week, Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's up to you, Derek. Yeah, next week, I got
Speaker 1: I got something I gotta do. But so I won't
Speaker 1: be here next week, I assume one of you guys
Speaker 1: will will host and keep this thing rolling heading into
Speaker 1: the draft. So but I'll be back for the week
Speaker 1: of the draft, so that'll be good. Cool, glad to
Speaker 1: hear it, really, Nick, is that what we're gonna go?
Speaker 1: Is that? How yay? Okay? All right? Yeah? Because the
Speaker 1: week of the draft. I mean, it's gonna be like
Speaker 1: Dave's Draft Show. It's gonna be the Dave Show. Dave
Speaker 1: tell us about this guy that guy. Sure, all right, good, Um,
Speaker 1: here's what's gonna do. We started a little bit of
Speaker 1: a well not a little bit. We started a conversation
Speaker 1: last week about the draft and what the Cowboys have
Speaker 1: done all the last five years. We thought we would
Speaker 1: get through several rounds. Um, these guys only got through
Speaker 1: one and so that leaves us with a total of
Speaker 1: six other rounds that we can talk about today, and
Speaker 1: we're gonna jump into the second round right off the bat.
Speaker 1: We talked a little bit about Kelvin Joseph last time,
Speaker 1: and we talked about, you know, kind of where his
Speaker 1: expectations are, where a selling is. But I want to
Speaker 1: I want to move to the other cornerback, the cornerback
Speaker 1: that had the phenomenal season this year. And my question
Speaker 1: for you guys is what are your thoughts on Trey
Speaker 1: Von Diggs. I know that's a big question, but I
Speaker 1: think there's like there are these different schools of thoughts.
Speaker 1: Some people focus on the fact that he's got all
Speaker 1: these interceptions. Some people want to focus on the fact
Speaker 1: that they think he gives up too many yards, or
Speaker 1: there's there's this a really big range of opinions out
Speaker 1: there with regards to what Trey Von Diggs is and
Speaker 1: how good he is as a cornerback. What do you think?
Speaker 1: My honest, genuine opinion is that the only reason that
Speaker 1: this is even a conversation is because he plays for
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys. Like I've never in my life can remember
Speaker 1: a conversation like this where a guy that was named
Speaker 1: first team All Pro is being like hotly debated about
Speaker 1: whether or not he's good at his job or it's
Speaker 1: unbelievable to me, and it's a valid criticism. He's a
Speaker 1: gambling type of cornerback. He's certainly was beaten on plenty
Speaker 1: of occasions. He was still one of the best four
Speaker 1: or five cornerbacks in the league last year. The numbers
Speaker 1: speak for themselves. And on top of that, it's ironic
Speaker 1: because they got rid of the guy that didn't give
Speaker 1: up yards but didn't make plays because that wasn't good enough.
Speaker 1: Like they got rid of Byron Jones for this very reason,
Speaker 1: and they got exactly what they said they wanted, which
Speaker 1: is a guy that makes plays. When you play with
Speaker 1: aggression like that, when you gamble like that, you're gonna
Speaker 1: give up some plays. Trayvon Diggs did not give up
Speaker 1: plays nearly often enough that people are like, he's a liability, okay, whatever,
Speaker 1: he led the league in picks, shut up. If he
Speaker 1: played for the anyone, if he played for the Indianapolis Colts,
Speaker 1: I would be reading think pieces about why are we
Speaker 1: not talking about the best corner in the league. Trayvon
Speaker 1: kind of like Xavien Howard in Miami. People are like,
Speaker 1: if you're a real football fan, you know who x
Speaker 1: Avian Howard is, and only casuals don't realize that he's
Speaker 1: the best. And Treyvon Diggs has an eleven pick season
Speaker 1: and people are like, is he good? It's ridiculous, and
Speaker 1: it's just it's one of those things. The Cowboys are
Speaker 1: the most polarizing team in the NFL, and that's it
Speaker 1: is what it is. I'll get off my soapbox now, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Dave talked for three minutes. You should have talked for
Speaker 1: three seconds. Sorry, it's dumb. It's dumb. He's an outstanding
Speaker 1: football player and the only people that don't say that
Speaker 1: are trying to justify the publication that they work for
Speaker 1: to look like we dig deeper into the numbers all that.
Speaker 1: That's a bull Yeah, it's it's ridiculous. He's eleven interceptions
Speaker 1: last year he scored two touchdowns. I don't know if
Speaker 1: he gave up two. He gave up maybe two or three.
Speaker 1: That's a great ratio. That's that's that's exactly what you
Speaker 1: want from mccorner. I absolutely love him. I love the guy,
Speaker 1: love his son too, the cutest. But he's someone that
Speaker 1: and you guys know that I'm super critical and I
Speaker 1: criticize a lot of people here on the shop. It
Speaker 1: is because of the show and the job. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's what it is. Whatever but sposed to yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but no. My point is I'm not going to criticize
Speaker 1: someone that has done things that I haven't seen happen
Speaker 1: in the cornerback position for the Dallas Cowboys in a
Speaker 1: really long time, at least not since the time I've
Speaker 1: been here. I'm not going to criticize someone that has
Speaker 1: made the secondary of the Dallas Cowboys be exciting and
Speaker 1: be something that you look forward to in a game.
Speaker 1: So I take those criticism put it to the side.
Speaker 1: I'm happy he's here. I'm glad to see what he's done.
Speaker 1: I'm excited to see what he can do this year.
Speaker 1: And I think he's a player that hasn't necessarily reached
Speaker 1: the ceiling. I think he can keep improving in those
Speaker 1: areas that people are criticizing. I'm not saying he's always
Speaker 1: going to have that amount of interceptions and every year
Speaker 1: or even get more, but he can definitely keep improving
Speaker 1: in the areas that he's being criticized for. You look
Speaker 1: at the second round picks of the Dallas Cowboys have
Speaker 1: made over the last five years, Kelvin Joseph, Treyvon Dicks,
Speaker 1: Tristan Hill, Honor Williams, and Cheetobel Woozier, And I want
Speaker 1: to talk a little about a Cheeto because going on
Speaker 1: that same thing of cornerbacks, do you guys think that
Speaker 1: that maybe there is this unrealistic expectation from fans, maybe
Speaker 1: for media of what a good cornerback is because you
Speaker 1: look at guys like the conversation came up with Byron Jones,
Speaker 1: like is that really a good cornerback? He didn't give
Speaker 1: up a lot, but he wasn't getting you interceptions Cheetobey.
Speaker 1: I mean people wanted to say he's not that good.
Speaker 1: Now you can question how much money he was given,
Speaker 1: but he had a good gear last year, do you
Speaker 1: think and then obviously Trey Von Diggs, But do you
Speaker 1: think there's an unrealistic expectation that either you have to
Speaker 1: be Dion Sanders or you suck at cornerback? There always
Speaker 1: has been, at least since the league started changing over
Speaker 1: this last decade. Outside of being a great quarterback, it's
Speaker 1: the hardest job in the NFL in my opinion. I mean,
Speaker 1: you can't win. You cannot win receivers. You know, we
Speaker 1: keep talking about how five and six freak receivers coming
Speaker 1: to the league every year. Kids are playing seven on
Speaker 1: seven from the age of eight. Rules basically dictate that
Speaker 1: the game is going to be passed happy and you
Speaker 1: have to be good enough to you know, if you
Speaker 1: give up sixty percent completions, you're probably pretty good. You know,
Speaker 1: Like the deck is stacked against cornerbacks. It's always been unfair.
Speaker 1: Cheeto was fine while he was here. He wasn't amazing,
Speaker 1: but he was a solid player. Anthony Brown, he's a
Speaker 1: solid player. I mean, we spend so much time talking
Speaker 1: about him because people think he's a bomb when he's
Speaker 1: really not. And it was the same thing with Cheeto
Speaker 1: in my opinion. Yeah yeah, I mean good enough to
Speaker 1: get a nine million a year. I mean, Cheeto to
Speaker 1: me reminded me of Anthony Hitchins of like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean it's okay, and we can't afford to pay you.
Speaker 1: We probably wouldn't mind keeping you, but you know you're
Speaker 1: gonna get that kind of money. Go ahead. And then
Speaker 1: he went and went to a team that ended up
Speaker 1: doing well and playing in the playoffs. If Cincinnati didn't
Speaker 1: make the playoffs, I don't think anyone would have been
Speaker 1: talking a lot about Cheeto. You know, a lot of
Speaker 1: fans wouldn't have seen him all which And it's it's
Speaker 1: the Hitchins is a fantastic point because people see and
Speaker 1: I'm thrilled for Cheeto. I'm glad he got his contract.
Speaker 1: I'm glad he wound up on a good team, got
Speaker 1: to make that run. Had a good season. But people
Speaker 1: see Cheeto in the Super Bowl and it's like, well,
Speaker 1: we screwed that up. It's like, no, you didn't. You
Speaker 1: didn't Anthony Hitchins going to the Chiefs. He didn't put
Speaker 1: the Chiefs over the top. With all due respect to him,
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to throw him under the bus, but
Speaker 1: like he went to the team that had Mahomes and
Speaker 1: all these like he was a nice piece on a
Speaker 1: Super Bowl team. It's not like Anthony Hitchins carried them
Speaker 1: across the finish line. And it's like, oh, we made
Speaker 1: a mistake by not giving Anthony Hitchins sixty million dollars. No,
Speaker 1: and I don't think they made a mistake by not
Speaker 1: giving Cheeto twenty three million. Yeah, and I don't think
Speaker 1: they did either. I do think, though, that Cheeto had
Speaker 1: a bad rap here. I think that fans probably thought
Speaker 1: of him as much lesser of a player than I
Speaker 1: think he really is. You guys agree with that, well
Speaker 1: he was. I mean there was a good while when
Speaker 1: he was dealing with the hamstring injury and he was out,
Speaker 1: and then there were questions around that too. He's he
Speaker 1: really all that hurt? Or is he? You know? Really
Speaker 1: trying to get every and get back on the field.
Speaker 1: I think there were rumors on that around here. But
Speaker 1: going back to your question too, I think it's a
Speaker 1: combination of both where you have to yes on one end.
Speaker 1: You have higher expectations sometimes, but it's like, how do
Speaker 1: you combine everything because you're not gonna get everything. It's
Speaker 1: like if you see Anthony Brown combined with Cheetoba Woozier,
Speaker 1: You're like, Okay, that's not necessarily the best combination there,
Speaker 1: but you're gonna need a guy like Anthony Brown on
Speaker 1: the team, pair with someone maybe like Trevor dix so.
Speaker 1: And yes, Cheetah was with Byron Jones at a time,
Speaker 1: but again I can't even remember how long he was
Speaker 1: hurt for, but expectations went up when he had that run.
Speaker 1: What was it that he ran like a cheetah? I
Speaker 1: guess like twenty five seconds? Yeah, but it was crazy.
Speaker 1: But I think that after seeing something like that, your
Speaker 1: expectations go even a lot higher and you're like, Okay, well,
Speaker 1: this guy is very um talented, not talented, what's the
Speaker 1: athletic athletic and he can maybe beat this type of player.
Speaker 1: But then injuries happened and then he just never really
Speaker 1: we never really got to see it to that level.
Speaker 1: You realize he had basically the exact same season in
Speaker 1: Cincinnati of his normal seasons. Here, I'm looking at his numbers.
Speaker 1: He started fourteen games for them, sixty four tackles, fourteen breakups,
Speaker 1: two picks his two. His eighteen and nineteen seasons in
Speaker 1: Dallas started fourteen and sixteen seventy one tackles, seventy nine tackles,
Speaker 1: eleven breakups, fourteen breakups, one pick each year. So he
Speaker 1: had more picks in Cincinnati. It was two instead of one,
Speaker 1: But I bet it. But and I think that actually
Speaker 1: tells the postseason. I think he had two at the posts.
Speaker 1: But that also tells you. That also tells you my point.
Speaker 1: It was the Yeah, I think it was the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: If you look at how media and fans and Cincinnati
Speaker 1: talk about him, they think about him as, man, that's
Speaker 1: a really good cornerback. In Dallas, it was like, man,
Speaker 1: get this guy. I didn't. He's a bump. And that's
Speaker 1: my point, Like I do think, and there's probably somewhere
Speaker 1: in between. I'm not saying he's great. I'm certainly not
Speaker 1: saying he was great. He had a lot of room
Speaker 1: for improvement. But I also think there's this unfair expectation
Speaker 1: that that cornerbacks have here in Dallas, that fans and
Speaker 1: media put on them that there's an next pick, it's
Speaker 1: Anthony Brown. Anthony Brown is not a bad cornerback, but
Speaker 1: you listen to fans talk, there's a thought that he's
Speaker 1: not very good. And I just don't think that's actually
Speaker 1: because of what you just said. The fans, they a
Speaker 1: lot of them don't have the middle ground, and they
Speaker 1: don't have to because the one's gonna hold them accountab
Speaker 1: you can, I mean, there's you don't have to be
Speaker 1: you know, are you really angry? Are you really happy? No? No,
Speaker 1: I'm just if you win games, you're happy and you
Speaker 1: don't care about any of that. But it's just it's
Speaker 1: just everything is so black and white all the time.
Speaker 1: There's an in between. He was a he was a
Speaker 1: solid player, right, it was good. It was good player,
Speaker 1: a second round expectation by paying nine million for him,
Speaker 1: but he was a solid player. Yeah, that's and that's
Speaker 1: the thing. I mean, it's okay, it wasn't a bad pick.
Speaker 1: It wasn't a bad pick. They needed corners they got
Speaker 1: to that year. One of them, they'll hear the other
Speaker 1: one priced himself out of being here. Yeah. Yeah. Jordan
Speaker 1: and Cheeto both are the like definition of my opinion
Speaker 1: of like decent to good picks, not great picks, because
Speaker 1: if they were, well, Jordan did get a second contract,
Speaker 1: but it was not great. It was a it was like,
Speaker 1: come back to us, Well, the Cowboys got their price,
Speaker 1: whereas Cheeto was like, I'm getting a better price than
Speaker 1: what you're offering me. Um. Yeah. I feel a tremendous
Speaker 1: amount of sympathy for cornerbacks and in the modern NFL,
Speaker 1: and I think Cheeto is a very good player, and
Speaker 1: I think along those lines, if we're moving on, I mean,
Speaker 1: I think Connor Williams is exactly the same. Yeah, he started,
Speaker 1: he played, It wasn't good enough for them, but he
Speaker 1: was good enough for the Dolphins to make a lot
Speaker 1: of money. So cut on the same type of deal.
Speaker 1: I think our sorry, go ahead, no, I just the
Speaker 1: holding penalties that will color my opinion of Connor. Uh.
Speaker 1: I mean his last season was his worst season here,
Speaker 1: I think supposed to be the other way. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: and I mean that sucks. But back I'm we literally
Speaker 1: we had. We had an argument about this in the
Speaker 1: office this morning where it was like, you know what,
Speaker 1: what dictates the success of a second round pick, like
Speaker 1: what benchmarks? Well? And unfortunately I haven't had time to
Speaker 1: do the research. I'm going to do this because fortunately
Speaker 1: they changed the CBA and eleven and I think that
Speaker 1: changed the way you look at the draft. I want
Speaker 1: to know how many second round draft picks over the
Speaker 1: last decade have signed second contracts with their team, because
Speaker 1: I think that is that's the expectation when you're drafted
Speaker 1: in the second round. I wonder how often that happened.
Speaker 1: Hornerstone kind of pieces for your franchise at the Idea
Speaker 1: or what were you saying guys that you like enough
Speaker 1: to bring them back and like we're gonna, yeah, we
Speaker 1: will pay you above market value to come and continue
Speaker 1: to be part of our team. Because Connor Williams is
Speaker 1: such a we talked about him a little bit last week.
Speaker 1: That's such a It's a fascinating case study because he's
Speaker 1: right on the line of like good or disappointing pick,
Speaker 1: because on one hand, you're like, he started four years
Speaker 1: for us, he got it, he helped us get to
Speaker 1: the playoffs twice. And on the other hand, you're like,
Speaker 1: he's a top fifty pick who had his worst season
Speaker 1: in his last year and you didn't resign, And so
Speaker 1: you could say either one. You could say he was
Speaker 1: a pretty good pick or he's a disappointing pick, and
Speaker 1: I think both sides have a case. That's that's an
Speaker 1: interesting one. If it really if if teams really evaluated
Speaker 1: based upon do they end up in a second contract
Speaker 1: with the team that drafted them, and that look good
Speaker 1: for Dallas. I mean, obviously, Cheeto Connor, you can question
Speaker 1: whether you think Tristan Hill will be back, but he
Speaker 1: certainly has been injured so much you haven't really gotten
Speaker 1: a real good feel for what he can do. The hit.
Speaker 1: The hit rate in the second round in the time
Speaker 1: that I've been here is pretty bad, let's honestly. And
Speaker 1: let's let's also factor in a little bit too, is
Speaker 1: that all teams kind of view it differently, and if
Speaker 1: you want to take it back a little bit more
Speaker 1: than five years, I mean, we know the Cowboys have
Speaker 1: used the second round as a as a trying to
Speaker 1: hit home runs. Yeah, you know, and they swing for
Speaker 1: the fences. They they're getting the guy that's injured that
Speaker 1: it fell a little bit. For whatever the reason, They've
Speaker 1: always done that, and so they took a risk with
Speaker 1: Jalen Smith, took a risk with the Tank. With Tank,
Speaker 1: they took a risk with Bruce Carter who had a
Speaker 1: torn acl Randy Randy Gregory was a huge risk. Questions
Speaker 1: about Kelvin Joseph. That's why he was in the second round.
Speaker 1: He wasn't his athleticism that pushed him to the second
Speaker 1: round exactly. So this so their philosophy might be a
Speaker 1: little different than others, which is which is fine. I mean,
Speaker 1: but they are trying to hit home runs and I
Speaker 1: don't know if you would say that they've they you
Speaker 1: know that that approach hasn't really work. It hasn't paid
Speaker 1: the type of dividends that you would hope was What
Speaker 1: was the risk with Tank? That's why I made that
Speaker 1: face and the injury. I don't honestly, I don't remember that,
Speaker 1: not not really, I don't. I wouldn't read it up
Speaker 1: to go get it now that was the risk. I
Speaker 1: guess it's the risk that you don't have a third
Speaker 1: round pick. Yeah, but one was Lyle he wasn't drafted.
Speaker 1: That was dropt he would be a first round pick.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I forgot he wasn't drafted. I thought he
Speaker 1: just dropped back to um. But they, yeah, they liked to.
Speaker 1: They like to you know, try to, you know, get
Speaker 1: a home run there, and it hasn't happened. I mean,
Speaker 1: we thought the ball was going over the fence there
Speaker 1: for Jalen Smith, but it didn't win, got it? Uh?
Speaker 1: That is that is a fantastic analogy of like you
Speaker 1: just belt that thing to left everyone does that really
Speaker 1: go to your game? Gone on? And the left fielders like,
Speaker 1: I think it was, like, yeah, it was. It was.
Speaker 1: It was to the track because when he made it,
Speaker 1: when he made to the Pro Bowls, the outfielder had
Speaker 1: his his heels on the Warring track, but it just
Speaker 1: couldn't get that extra like six feet and then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, that thing's and then yeah, he's not
Speaker 1: in the league. I think he's with the Giant. I
Speaker 1: didn't think he was gone for I saw something the
Speaker 1: other day where he posted something and a lot of
Speaker 1: the comments were like, I hope that Giants signed you back.
Speaker 1: So I don't know, I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't keep up with him, So I can't really
Speaker 1: tell you for sure. I don't either. What were you
Speaker 1: about to ask him? I have a question? And this
Speaker 1: is kind of difficult. I guess maybe two. But you know,
Speaker 1: the draft brings me a lot of frustration because we
Speaker 1: always hear your drafting for the future and all that,
Speaker 1: But at the same time, it's like, Okay, you gotta
Speaker 1: worry about the now and this year and this season
Speaker 1: and all that. And we've seen and talking about all
Speaker 1: the draft picks that they've made and all that we've seen,
Speaker 1: the kind of guys that they've had a lot of
Speaker 1: success with, and then now talking about these guys that
Speaker 1: end up leaving or whatever were they're a bust or not.
Speaker 1: Blah bla blah. But it's like, Okay, how do you
Speaker 1: really look at what the Cowboys have done over the
Speaker 1: year and at what point do you say, okay, maybe
Speaker 1: regardless of the hits that they have had through the draft,
Speaker 1: is it time to change strategy? Is it time to
Speaker 1: do something different? Is it time to go into the
Speaker 1: draft and do well maybe other teams that have been
Speaker 1: more successful than the Cowboys have been doing in recent years,
Speaker 1: or do you focus on the kind of success that
Speaker 1: they've had with certain guys. You know, what point do
Speaker 1: you maybe think it's time to really switch gears and
Speaker 1: take this a different way. That's what we've talked about.
Speaker 1: I don't, honestly, I don't think they should change their
Speaker 1: draft philosophy at all. Um it's working. I think they
Speaker 1: should change their free agent philosophy and go for more
Speaker 1: talent to play. And I think and if that means
Speaker 1: trading a fourth or fifth round pick for a guy
Speaker 1: that's proven, I think they need to do that route
Speaker 1: a little bit more often. But they are. What they've
Speaker 1: done with the draft I think works. I do. Now
Speaker 1: we say second round, I mean there's some hits and
Speaker 1: miss is there, but I'll put their track record up
Speaker 1: against just about it. I mean, Tocco is the only
Speaker 1: first round pick that has not made a Pro Bowl, right,
Speaker 1: and first round picking going all the way back to
Speaker 1: Tyron Smith looking oh six, yeah, I mean actually more
Speaker 1: right before, right before Tyron Mo and that was that
Speaker 1: was a tough one. I mean, I just everyone was
Speaker 1: was pumped about that. I mean, he was a great player.
Speaker 1: And I think I've brought this up before. I was
Speaker 1: covering LSU the year he got drafted and I'm not
Speaker 1: trying to sound like the smartest guy in the room,
Speaker 1: but I was like, oh, he's not Patrick Peterson. But again,
Speaker 1: like I can't prove that, I felt that would happened.
Speaker 1: Sometimes like that, sometimes a guy can ride the cotel
Speaker 1: of a great player and they're good, don't get me wrong,
Speaker 1: but they another player that was at their position at
Speaker 1: their school that they kind of go in behind them
Speaker 1: and everybody like Carpet, he's that next guy. MO was in. Well,
Speaker 1: forget being the next guy. MO was in a secondary
Speaker 1: with Patrick Peterson, Tyrone, Matthew and Eric Reid. I mean
Speaker 1: they were those were some floaded defenses. Wow. I didn't
Speaker 1: know Eric Reid was in that same secondary. Wow. Yeah. So,
Speaker 1: I mean, I think he could have been a much
Speaker 1: better player if he'd had a better run of luck
Speaker 1: with injuries. But I never bought the hype that he
Speaker 1: was worthy of six overall. But anyway, not to get derailed,
Speaker 1: but for the most part, their first round picks have
Speaker 1: been have been pretty good. I mean it'd be pretty
Speaker 1: high in the Zeke and the Parsons hiring, and then
Speaker 1: even low in the first round Byron Jones, Travis Frederick.
Speaker 1: They've other than Taco and more and mo, I just
Speaker 1: I don't think there are more than three or four
Speaker 1: teams that you could argue are better than them at drafting.
Speaker 1: I mean, like the Ravens come to mind. It seems
Speaker 1: like the Ravens always do an incredible job in the draft.
Speaker 1: What do you think I mean, what do you think
Speaker 1: they should change it up? Change up? I mean the
Speaker 1: well when it comes to the draft. I mean, and
Speaker 1: we've always looked at like Will McClay and his whole team,
Speaker 1: the excellent job that they've done. So I'm all up
Speaker 1: for it. But I would go back to what you said.
Speaker 1: It's like free agency. It's like something needs to change
Speaker 1: and you can't keep saying or waiting for people to
Speaker 1: lower their prices and be waiting like waiting for the
Speaker 1: scraps leftover what's on free agency, And up to this point,
Speaker 1: we keep things, Oh, they're gonna what are they gonna
Speaker 1: do with that money? Who are they gonna bring to
Speaker 1: maybe add some depth in certain positions, especially the O line,
Speaker 1: prior to the draft, so that you don't get to
Speaker 1: the point where you're forced to pick which a specific position.
Speaker 1: But they haven't done that well, you know, what's funny
Speaker 1: is Rob and I were arguing. Rob Phillips and I
Speaker 1: were arguing about this this morning. I'll take his point
Speaker 1: right out of his mouth because I thought it was
Speaker 1: really good. Is I was like, well, you know what
Speaker 1: you got. What you got from Connor Williams is a
Speaker 1: pretty good pick. It's not like he started four years
Speaker 1: everything I just said. And Rob was like, yeah, well,
Speaker 1: when this is your free agent strategy, you need better
Speaker 1: than that from your top one hundred, like you need
Speaker 1: better production from your big draft picks if you refuse
Speaker 1: to spend money the other way. And I was like,
Speaker 1: holy crap, that's a really good point, right, And so
Speaker 1: Will and his guys do a great job. We say
Speaker 1: it over and over again, and I truly believe that.
Speaker 1: But I think I said it on the show a
Speaker 1: week or two ago, like you put a tremendous amount
Speaker 1: of pressure on them when you're like, great job, do
Speaker 1: it again. We have to have another Mica or we
Speaker 1: have to have a guy that's better than Connor Williams
Speaker 1: if we're gonna be better this year, and it's on
Speaker 1: you to find him. It's not realistic because that's the
Speaker 1: thing the Cowboys do a great job in the draft,
Speaker 1: they still miss on a somewhat regular basis because guess
Speaker 1: what everyone does, because it's really hard. Yeah. But here's
Speaker 1: here's the tough part too, that that I think has
Speaker 1: to be factored in. There was a time when Dallas
Speaker 1: had the strategy of we're gonna go spend big in
Speaker 1: free agency, and they still have the same ultimate results.
Speaker 1: We all know, we all agree that that's not what
Speaker 1: we want them to do. No, I get, I get,
Speaker 1: I'm saying My point is, like they have it seems
Speaker 1: like they have these wild swings. Like at one point
Speaker 1: there was spending big, Like Nick, you remember when, well
Speaker 1: they had like three free agents, three big free agents
Speaker 1: they sign on the first day of free agency, Like
Speaker 1: that was the kind of stuff they were doing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: didn't work. And then you go to other extreme and
Speaker 1: you're like, well, we're not gonna really we're gonna only
Speaker 1: go for a bargain basement type deals. We're not gonna
Speaker 1: really sign big guys. We're gonna resign our own guys,
Speaker 1: And that still has the same results. It's almost like
Speaker 1: you kind of want them to say there isn't in between,
Speaker 1: like you don't necessarily have to go to one extreme
Speaker 1: of the other, find one really really good free agent
Speaker 1: that can change the complexion of your team, and spend
Speaker 1: on him since and then go to to to to
Speaker 1: the draft to get the rest of your guys. Since
Speaker 1: two thousand and five, that day that we talked about,
Speaker 1: they drive that they signed three guys in one day.
Speaker 1: They did it again. I believe in like twelve or
Speaker 1: thirteen one of those years they got like Brandon Car
Speaker 1: might have been twelve, they got like big deal. They
Speaker 1: got like big deal all in like right at the
Speaker 1: start of free agency. But in those that eighteen years,
Speaker 1: seventeen years, that's about it. Just two times they've really
Speaker 1: just like huge splashes and and and think about it,
Speaker 1: two thousand and five Anthony, Henry Marco Rivera, and I
Speaker 1: forgot the other guy, um, Anthony, Oh, Jason Ferguson. Yeah,
Speaker 1: none of those three were that great. And then the
Speaker 1: next time they really did it, Brandon Car, I know,
Speaker 1: Kyle Orton was one of them. Um, there's a couple
Speaker 1: others and they weren't. I mean, they were like Nate
Speaker 1: Livings and Vickers. So when they did, when they do
Speaker 1: make big splashes, it hasn't worked out either. That's my point.
Speaker 1: Like I think they look at it like, well, we
Speaker 1: tried that. But my thought would be, this is mean
Speaker 1: you gotta go all or none, right, there isn't in between.
Speaker 1: Maybe they're did pretty good last year, you know, they
Speaker 1: kind of bargain hunted, but they did pretty But I'm
Speaker 1: saying it is there one guy out there that is
Speaker 1: a bona fide among the best datist position who used
Speaker 1: to who You're like, we're gonna go out there and
Speaker 1: we're gonna make him a target. We're gonna bring him
Speaker 1: into our team, and then all the rest of them
Speaker 1: are gonna be bargain basement types. But but is that
Speaker 1: an option? You know at some point you know, yes
Speaker 1: it is. And I think this is the time I'm
Speaker 1: gonna throw out this other point that I think fans
Speaker 1: forget a lot. And I don't know one likes it either,
Speaker 1: But it's like a lot of the fans that are like,
Speaker 1: what are they doing with this money? They have all
Speaker 1: this money, those are the people that maybe get their
Speaker 1: whole paycheck and spend it all, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Because because the part is that the cowboys are saving
Speaker 1: their money, it rolls into next year. We'll forget that
Speaker 1: Jack is making forty million a year. He's not made
Speaker 1: forty million yet. This he counted like twenty, he's counting
Speaker 1: like fifteen. So at some point it's gonna really really hit.
Speaker 1: And these they keep rolling these in and so that's
Speaker 1: what they're saving for. These moneys are about to go up,
Speaker 1: and people forget that. They're like, what are they doing
Speaker 1: with this extra fifteen million? Yeah, rolling it into next
Speaker 1: year because it's going to be worse than this year,
Speaker 1: you know. So that's something you gotta remember. The writing
Speaker 1: seems to be on the wall in my opinion that
Speaker 1: they're I don't want to say they're more focused. I
Speaker 1: think like I just I think they have their eye
Speaker 1: on twenty twenty three and twenty twenty four in terms
Speaker 1: of like, this is where the cap jumps, and we
Speaker 1: can do this and that and the other, and that's
Speaker 1: all well and good. What about twenty twenty two that's
Speaker 1: my thing, and not like it's a wonderful point. I
Speaker 1: don't think fans should have to care about that. No,
Speaker 1: they shouldn't. It's not DeMarcus Lawrence said it perfectly when
Speaker 1: he was like, that's not my problem. It's not my problem.
Speaker 1: For like helping you figure out how to get DAC
Speaker 1: under contract. It's not the fans problem for you to
Speaker 1: figure out your books. People are still talking about the
Speaker 1: rant you went on a couple weeks ago because they
Speaker 1: liked it so much. Wind it didn't do anything. No,
Speaker 1: of course it didn't do anything, but like, and you're
Speaker 1: one hundred percent right, and it's they have to worry
Speaker 1: about all of that, and the four year pictures just
Speaker 1: as important as right now. Fans don't give a damn
Speaker 1: and they shouldn't have to. Here's the question, though, if
Speaker 1: we're gonna take it back to the I said, push
Speaker 1: the chips all in, what do the Cowboys think that
Speaker 1: they they're holding? We're gonna keep the poker reference, you know,
Speaker 1: do they think they've got so you say? Is it
Speaker 1: a question of do they think they actually have a
Speaker 1: team that they are that they can't just push on
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. Or do they think that or
Speaker 1: do they think that they've now are now are t? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Or do they I think the Cowboys thing I think
Speaker 1: could be good, but it's not worth pushing at all.
Speaker 1: Maybe nothing, yeah, yeah, I think again, would they say
Speaker 1: any of this on the record, No, But I think
Speaker 1: that they are more along the lines of like, all right, like,
Speaker 1: you know, you can win the East this year because
Speaker 1: it's not very good, but we're not you know we
Speaker 1: we I'm not good at poker, Like it's a pair
Speaker 1: of eight's really good. Um, yes, eights. I know enough
Speaker 1: to know that pair of aces you're gonna play, You're
Speaker 1: gonna play. All right. Then they got less than that,
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. It's like they're like, all right,
Speaker 1: we could win, but I don't buy that even a
Speaker 1: little bit, just because and you guys have all been
Speaker 1: around him to Jerry is the most optimistic person on
Speaker 1: the planet. There's no way anybody can convince me that
Speaker 1: Jerry doesn't go into every year saying we got a shot,
Speaker 1: like we legitimately got a shot. And I think he
Speaker 1: honestly accepted the year that they actually what he said,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be tough, right that one year, that one
Speaker 1: year twelve and four, And I think that was more
Speaker 1: about him kind of hedging his bet publicly, but privately,
Speaker 1: I bet he was saying we got a shot. Like
Speaker 1: I think every year he thinks they got a shot.
Speaker 1: Jerry also says every year. All you gotta do is
Speaker 1: get into the tournament. Well, nine and eight win in
Speaker 1: the East gets you into the tournament, and then it's
Speaker 1: I would to say, you never know what's going to happen.
Speaker 1: I mean the Niners were a hair away from getting
Speaker 1: there thinking of you never know what's gonna happen. I know,
Speaker 1: we got to go to break just just Chris is
Speaker 1: over there probably legend his mind. But yesterday as a
Speaker 1: prime example, when we were sitting at our office of
Speaker 1: you never know what's going to happen, you know, and
Speaker 1: what an odd pairing of that showed up in our
Speaker 1: office yesterday Charles Haley, Oh, Quincy Carter? So random? Hey,
Speaker 1: when just happened? I don't know, so random? Nick. I'm
Speaker 1: in my office, I'm on a call, and Nick's like
Speaker 1: and I'm looking out like, is that Quincy Carter? Like? Yeah,
Speaker 1: just random, just random out of nowhere? I mean we
Speaker 1: were downstairs shooting something. What okay? In the afternoon, I
Speaker 1: don't I don't know. Yeah, I had a nice little conversation.
Speaker 1: He's doing well, he is, Yeah, yep, it was. It
Speaker 1: was an interesting conversation for sure. Yeah. Yeah, that's last
Speaker 1: time we talked to him we did a documentary with
Speaker 1: and he was like, good job on that, and I
Speaker 1: was like, oh good, then we're so ship what he thought.
Speaker 1: I don't know what you thought? Yeah, wow, yes he
Speaker 1: liked it good. I mean, I'm standing there and Nick
Speaker 1: and I were talking discussing this Mexico stuff, and then
Speaker 1: I see this guy walking by trying to get mixed attention.
Speaker 1: He's like, I'm like, hey, this guy's calling you. I
Speaker 1: had no idea. Who oh, yeah, this guy's calling you.
Speaker 1: I don't know who he is, but he's all right.
Speaker 1: We're gonna take our first break week come back. We're
Speaker 1: gonna move to the third round, talk about some of
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Speaker 1: Mortgage Studios at the Star. We did find out some
Speaker 1: a little bit of sad news over the last week.
Speaker 1: It's actually been man. You think about Miss Mariland who
Speaker 1: passed a couple. Was that a month or two ago,
Speaker 1: three weeks ago, and then now last week we hear
Speaker 1: about ray phil Right who passed away on Thursday, I
Speaker 1: think it was, And then over the weekend we hear
Speaker 1: about the death of Gary Brown, who was a former
Speaker 1: running back coach here with the Cowboys. I never really
Speaker 1: spent a lot of time with Brown rayphiel Right, so
Speaker 1: I can't really speak to him. But Gary Brown was
Speaker 1: a guy that I really enjoyed being around. I tell
Speaker 1: people all the time how he used to give our
Speaker 1: team a hard time before games because he would inevitably ask,
Speaker 1: did y'all pick us this week? And and then he
Speaker 1: would be like, we're gonna kill him, like we're gonna
Speaker 1: get him this week. And of course if they didn't win,
Speaker 1: he was not the kind that would run from it,
Speaker 1: and he's kind of be like, hey, get him next time.
Speaker 1: Like you know, he just he was a good dude.
Speaker 1: He engaged everybody that was around. His smile was just
Speaker 1: one that was infectious. You just wanted to be around him.
Speaker 1: He was a good dude. Yeah, you appreciate that and
Speaker 1: that little look change that we had for a couple
Speaker 1: of years there. Um, you appreciate it for a couple
Speaker 1: of reasons. Number one, he kind of would get onto
Speaker 1: us if we didn't pick him because he's he's a coach.
Speaker 1: That's it. That's They spent all week doing that. He
Speaker 1: also understood the business, he understood where our stands. So
Speaker 1: it wasn't a person No, it wasn't. It wasn't at all.
Speaker 1: And so you anytime you get people that that you know,
Speaker 1: I think you're wrong, but you know I respect what
Speaker 1: you do. Like that's that's the perfect time type of
Speaker 1: coach or you know, front office personnel or whatever that
Speaker 1: you know they respect what you do, whether or not
Speaker 1: they agree with it or not. And he was that way.
Speaker 1: And he was so so fun to talk to and
Speaker 1: always in good mood, consistent. So that's the thing with
Speaker 1: UH with Gary was like, um, he engaged with us,
Speaker 1: which like a lot of people, a lot of coaches
Speaker 1: and even and players as well, is like whether or
Speaker 1: not they viewed the media as the enemy, Like a
Speaker 1: lot of them are just like the media is not there,
Speaker 1: you know, like they'll look right through you or look
Speaker 1: right past you. I've brought this up the other day.
Speaker 1: Like a training camp, you know, like guys run out
Speaker 1: they act like there's no fans in the stands, nobody's
Speaker 1: doing anything, Like just pretend like nobody's there. Gary was
Speaker 1: the opposite. Like Gary would come out early and like
Speaker 1: say hi to the fans. He's all like he's joking
Speaker 1: with Clarence Hill or ribbing people about like oh you
Speaker 1: look hung over, Like what were you out doing last
Speaker 1: It was one time he said, yeah, exactly exactly. He
Speaker 1: was just he was a lot of fun to be around,
Speaker 1: and I was. I was really disappointed and sad to
Speaker 1: hear that. And for fans who maybe don't know much
Speaker 1: about him, there was a piece that you guys did
Speaker 1: that we did a few years back that was highlighting
Speaker 1: this was around training camp that it was kind of
Speaker 1: highlighting the running back group and you got to see
Speaker 1: some of him on the personal side and how he
Speaker 1: invites players for a cookout. He will invite them with
Speaker 1: his own family and all that, and and just the
Speaker 1: relationship he has with people. And honestly, this news it
Speaker 1: was so unexpected to me. I had no idea what
Speaker 1: he was going through and dealing with at all, and
Speaker 1: it was very shocking. And it really hurts when I
Speaker 1: see people that have that kind of energy, that kind
Speaker 1: of positivity, the smile, because you think in your head, man,
Speaker 1: that person can fight through anything, and when someone's so
Speaker 1: positive like that, you just it was very heartbreaking for
Speaker 1: me to see someone so great like him as a
Speaker 1: person and the energy that he has and just kind
Speaker 1: of not be able to finish up battling what he
Speaker 1: was dealing with. Yeah, you know, when we're talking about
Speaker 1: him the person, which you know, that's where it starts
Speaker 1: as the coach though, and I mentioned this to you guys,
Speaker 1: I think on a text, he was here seven years.
Speaker 1: In seven years, they had six one thousand yard rushers.
Speaker 1: The only one that didn't rush for a thousand yards
Speaker 1: was Zeke in twenty seventeen when he was suspending six
Speaker 1: games and still ran for nine seventy three. He had
Speaker 1: Marco Murray's best two years? Where was his first two
Speaker 1: with Gary Brown? Darren McFadden comes out of Oakland and
Speaker 1: goes for eleven hundred yards. Zeke had, you know, great years,
Speaker 1: and then he goes to Wisconsin dealing with health issues.
Speaker 1: The guy gets hurt. A freshman comes in with the
Speaker 1: last seven games and rushes for twelve hundred yards. The
Speaker 1: guy can coach gootball. He played it, he knows it,
Speaker 1: he can relate to them, and also, like you know,
Speaker 1: a pretty damn good player in his own right as well,
Speaker 1: Like I'll never I knew that he went to Penn State.
Speaker 1: He had a decent Penn State career, Like he never
Speaker 1: had a thousand yards season in college. He had two
Speaker 1: in the pros, so like he had a better pro
Speaker 1: career than college. And I'll never forget. I think it
Speaker 1: was the it was the Hail Mary game season finale
Speaker 1: against the Giants in twenty eighteen, which I think would
Speaker 1: have made Sequana rookie. And they you know, they won
Speaker 1: on the last play in YadA YadA. They were going
Speaker 1: to the playoffs. But like we get off the bus
Speaker 1: and we're going to get on the plane like we
Speaker 1: always do, and Gary had say Quon's jersey, which I
Speaker 1: was like, holy, Like I was like, that's pretty damn
Speaker 1: cool man, because and like he knew him from Penn
Speaker 1: State and he was very he was very proud of
Speaker 1: him and et cetera. But I just was like, that's
Speaker 1: really cool. I'm sorry, are you talking about the Beasley catches? Yes, Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. We can't just say Hail Mary and I'm
Speaker 1: just like, it took me, remember, hey, old Mary to win. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that's what it's called. Yeah, I mean it
Speaker 1: was like a desperation throw. It was. It was I'm sorry, no,
Speaker 1: it wasn't stop. No, sorry, I'm not trying to. I
Speaker 1: just think I knew what you're talking my day, did you,
Speaker 1: because I was my brain? Yes, yeah, okay, fifty yard
Speaker 1: throws to win games happened too often in thirty two yards,
Speaker 1: but whatever he was, it was a far throw alright, anyway, No,
Speaker 1: it's cool. Just just wanted to mention and give him
Speaker 1: some time and some do because he was a really,
Speaker 1: really good guy and in this business, as Day said,
Speaker 1: you don't always necessarily those kinds of personalities on the
Speaker 1: football side. And by the way, a lot of it
Speaker 1: is just like there's a mistrust, that thing happens between
Speaker 1: you're a freaky man. What it was the thirty thirty
Speaker 1: two yards best the same thing. I'm like, oh okay,
Speaker 1: but he was like he was behind the line of
Speaker 1: scrimmage though, and Beasley was in the back of the ends, like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, so he was nine and a half yards
Speaker 1: into the end. Ze Yeah, so it was like a
Speaker 1: forty something yards throw. But it was on the record,
Speaker 1: on the record thirty two. That is Scott Nicole forget
Speaker 1: Nicole forgets something. He told me this tested him in
Speaker 1: the middle. I texted him at ten forty fives, like,
Speaker 1: what you're doing anything? Yeah? On the Draft show, ass
Speaker 1: brought us yesterday. I called brought us literally. While he's
Speaker 1: on the show, trying to catch up with him, He's like,
Speaker 1: I'm doing your show, Like, oh my bad. Sorry, he
Speaker 1: might have said, as he might he might have mentioned
Speaker 1: that word. But yeah, but but Nick, Nick knows the
Speaker 1: score of the Jets. The Jets game from nineteen ninety
Speaker 1: four or whatever played him at ninety three. They beat him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know you got it. I know, I really twenty
Speaker 1: seven seven Beam, you want to get there first or me?
Speaker 1: Twenty seven seven is the is the the answer? Is it?
Speaker 1: The answers right? That's right, dang it. I'm mad now.
Speaker 1: Kevin Smith scored a touchdown in that game interception for
Speaker 1: a touchdown on boot off Boomer as siasin, But I
Speaker 1: don't think twenty eight to seven. Oh no, you're so
Speaker 1: make your extra point, Eddie Murray, No, probably, yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: we're gonna take another break. When we come back, we're
Speaker 1: gonna I think this time we really are gonna talk
Speaker 1: about the third round, talk about some of the picks
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Speaker 1: we be out there like a nine thirty guys knowing
Speaker 1: in their right mind, would be there. No, not that early, right,
Speaker 1: I don't know? All right, y'all, text me let me
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Speaker 1: you want to. If you want Nick and Dave and
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Speaker 1: all the time. You're like a lot of people were
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Speaker 1: those three, then you guys do it. Right? Wait, check
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Speaker 1: they're gonna tweet you and not show up. Right. All right,
Speaker 1: let's talk about third round. Dave, give me a quick
Speaker 1: synopsis of your thought on what is a third round pick?
Speaker 1: What makes for a successful third round pick? I have
Speaker 1: always said I view the top one hundred as like
Speaker 1: those guys need to be um significant contributors for you.
Speaker 1: I think I've even in their round. Yes, okay, top
Speaker 1: one hundred picks um. I I used to think if
Speaker 1: you're a top third three pick, you need to start
Speaker 1: right away. I've kind of adjusted my thoughts on that
Speaker 1: a little bit. I think in a lot of cases
Speaker 1: maybe that's unrealistic. But if you're drafted in the top
Speaker 1: one hundred, I expect you to have a pretty clearly
Speaker 1: defined role right away. Weather it's Green messed it up
Speaker 1: for you, it's me, And it's not just the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: I think just over the years, because I think that's
Speaker 1: the third round I think is really where the draft
Speaker 1: starts to get wonky in the sense of beauties in
Speaker 1: the eye of the beholder, flavor, but also like fit
Speaker 1: on your team. Well you know, like this is an
Speaker 1: extreme example, but like if you desperately need a punter
Speaker 1: and there's a good punter, like one team could screw
Speaker 1: that whole thing up for everybody, or um, maybe you
Speaker 1: need a specific role player for your scheme that other
Speaker 1: You're like, really, you're drafting that guy in the third
Speaker 1: and it's like, well, I'm not asking him to do
Speaker 1: all of this right away, I just need him to
Speaker 1: do this one thing. So I just think I think
Speaker 1: there's potential for things to kind of get sideways there.
Speaker 1: But even having said that, I mean, let's where where
Speaker 1: where are you're talking last five years? Is that so
Speaker 1: so here're the guys. You got OsO Diggi Zuoa last
Speaker 1: year with Chauncey Golston both was selective four and Nashan
Speaker 1: Wright at ninety nine. You had Neville Gallimore at eighty two.
Speaker 1: You had Connor McGovern at ninety, Michael Gallup at eighty one,
Speaker 1: and Jordan Lewis at ninety two. Those have been the
Speaker 1: third round picks of the last five years. That's largely
Speaker 1: pretty good. It's pretty good, bad at all. Jordan again
Speaker 1: picked eight spots outside the top one hundred. He's still here.
Speaker 1: He's he's actually he is. His arrow continues to go
Speaker 1: up because if you're he was hurt as a rookie,
Speaker 1: he got time here and there, and then in Chris
Speaker 1: Richard and Rod Marinelli's scheme like they didn't favor him,
Speaker 1: like they didn't give him a lot of opportunities. He
Speaker 1: decided to stay. It paid off. I think last year
Speaker 1: was his best year as a cowboy. It credited them also,
Speaker 1: they usually do this in the second round. It's been
Speaker 1: a long time, but you remember Jordan Lewis had some
Speaker 1: off the field concerns that a lot of teams decided
Speaker 1: not to even to take him off the board, and
Speaker 1: they did their homework on him, talk to him. They
Speaker 1: were very confident that whatever accusations were against him were
Speaker 1: going to be dropped and they were false, and that
Speaker 1: they were right. I mean, he's one of our favorite people.
Speaker 1: And you never want to I've learned this lesson the
Speaker 1: hard way in a few instances, Like, you don't want
Speaker 1: to speak too firmly about anybody because at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, we only see a sliver of these people.
Speaker 1: But like, the thought that Jordan was a quote unquote
Speaker 1: character concern coming into the NFL is almost unbelievable to
Speaker 1: me from what we've learned about him over the years. Like,
Speaker 1: I think of him as one of the highest character
Speaker 1: guys on this entire team. So yeah, but but that
Speaker 1: was just one of those that they, you know, took
Speaker 1: a little bit of a risk because they thought they
Speaker 1: were getting good value there. And it has been Michael
Speaker 1: Gallup too. Gallop is a freak Gallup home run. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's probably your best third round pick of the last
Speaker 1: five years. Wouldn't say, yeah, easily one of the best
Speaker 1: third round picks in recent memory. Really, I'm like Terrence
Speaker 1: Williams JJ Wilcox, DeMarco DeMarco was really good. And I
Speaker 1: let's just ask this question before the show about is
Speaker 1: there a theme for third round picks? I mean, have
Speaker 1: the Cowboys had some really good ones? And because it
Speaker 1: was our social media team, I gave him four names
Speaker 1: over the years and DeMarco Murray probably would have been
Speaker 1: the fifth one. And so but it's very hit or miss.
Speaker 1: I mean, you got some really you got some bad
Speaker 1: ones in there, so not all Jason Witten. In fact,
Speaker 1: they're every five bad ones. You can find a really
Speaker 1: good one. Which the looming, the unseid thing is that
Speaker 1: at this point in his career, Connor McGovern is that's
Speaker 1: that's a bummer. And maybe it's unrealistic to expect a
Speaker 1: guy picked ninetieth to start right away, but yeah, he's
Speaker 1: he's started fourteen games in three years. He missed his
Speaker 1: rookie season to due to a peck injury. He was
Speaker 1: benched when he did get his opportunity last year, it
Speaker 1: didn't work out well enough that they wanted to keep
Speaker 1: going with it. And then on top of that, we
Speaker 1: know that they had him much higher graded, like they
Speaker 1: picked him knowing they didn't really need a guard because
Speaker 1: that's how much they liked him, and that's that's kind
Speaker 1: of the stain right now, because I mean, you feel
Speaker 1: pretty good about where Neville is at this point in
Speaker 1: his career. And then Osa and Chauncey both were again
Speaker 1: like they had defined roles, like Osa was a rotational guy.
Speaker 1: Chauncey made plays on special teams and did something. It's fine.
Speaker 1: Both of them were amazing in like September and October,
Speaker 1: and they like they were very classical, very like Rookie wall.
Speaker 1: I did a rite up on Osa right after the season,
Speaker 1: and I was like, seventy five percent of your TfL's
Speaker 1: came in the first like six weeks of the season,
Speaker 1: and you can sort of see it nose dive after that.
Speaker 1: But you still feel good about what they were on
Speaker 1: the field contributing fair about it. Though Neville Gallimore didn't
Speaker 1: play earlier in the year and neither did Tristan Hill,
Speaker 1: and then they both kind of came back into the
Speaker 1: mix and and you know, played and all that. But
Speaker 1: you know of what's going on with Tristan Hill, Dave,
Speaker 1: he's entering a contract year and probably words a year. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is this is the time when he's got a
Speaker 1: kind of he's a step up there. He's tough to
Speaker 1: Tony Pollard is really the only thing holding that twenty
Speaker 1: nineteen class together, which is it's hard because they didn't
Speaker 1: have a first round pick. You said that for years.
Speaker 1: It's weird. It's weird you don't have a first round
Speaker 1: pick for some reason, your second and your third round,
Speaker 1: fourth round was sucked too. Well, it's just it's just
Speaker 1: that you put so much pressure on that pick to
Speaker 1: be right. Usually, you looking at the history of the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: you just mentioned it earlier, they win in the first round,
Speaker 1: so it makes everything. It colors the rest of the
Speaker 1: draft where you went in the first round and seconds
Speaker 1: kind of wonky, but third is pretty decent. Then you
Speaker 1: kind of feel better about it. Let's assume you don't
Speaker 1: have a first round pick and now seconds kind of walky,
Speaker 1: and third you feel pretty good about. That gives you
Speaker 1: a bad feeling about the overall draft, the worst draft's
Speaker 1: ever in Cowboys history, or when they don't have a
Speaker 1: first round yea, which I don't even steal a third
Speaker 1: or fourth. You know, Jason Witten's not coming out of that.
Speaker 1: He's coming out of the one with Terrence Newman in
Speaker 1: the first round. Yeah, the production that they were getting
Speaker 1: from Amari made it worth it. In my opinion. That's
Speaker 1: that's not my fault that they decided didn't have a
Speaker 1: first round that had already experience it was a veteran
Speaker 1: and that they'll definitely resign. I mean, if if you
Speaker 1: look at it and keep if you look at it
Speaker 1: and say, like, well, you know, Mari's still doing his thing,
Speaker 1: getting thousand yards seasons. We found Tony in the fourth
Speaker 1: and Donovan Wilson's still kicking around, and I mean Tristan
Speaker 1: and mc governor are still on the team at least
Speaker 1: like they aren't so bad that you had to cut them.
Speaker 1: If Amar's on the team, you're like, I can live
Speaker 1: with that. But now that Amari's gone, you're like, man,
Speaker 1: that looks like crap. Yeah. If you guys, if you
Speaker 1: guys look at the draft picks from this last year,
Speaker 1: in the third round, they had three of them, uh
Speaker 1: Osa and Chauncey and Nashan Wright. Talking about Osa and Chauncey, first,
Speaker 1: do you think which one? Do you think based on
Speaker 1: what you saw, you more excited about what they can become,
Speaker 1: really really, because I think that think also too. But Wow.
Speaker 1: That's why I wanted to say it first because I think, No,
Speaker 1: I think he's got this position flex that that's that's intriguing.
Speaker 1: And if and if they wouldn't have resigned Dorance Armstrong,
Speaker 1: I think I think that Goldston could have could have
Speaker 1: been that guy. Um. I just like the fact that
Speaker 1: he missed all of camp and he came in and
Speaker 1: he was pretty productive based off of a guy that
Speaker 1: really didn't have any preseason games or anything like that,
Speaker 1: a rookie. Yeah, I'm excited to see if he if
Speaker 1: he you know, all off season, get some good training camp,
Speaker 1: get some good coaching, preseason games, I think he has
Speaker 1: a chance to kind of make that second year leap
Speaker 1: as big as anybody else on the team. So this
Speaker 1: is what I pulled up his game logs. This is
Speaker 1: what I was talking about. Uh yeah, from like from
Speaker 1: week two to week we'll say week five, he tallied
Speaker 1: eight quarterback hits, three tackles for loss, and both of
Speaker 1: his two sacks in though in that like three or
Speaker 1: four week stretch. Now, that's pretty good for a defensive
Speaker 1: tack It's very good for a rookie defensive tackle. Now,
Speaker 1: they were playing pretty bad team. I mean, Carolina and
Speaker 1: New York are in there, Philly's in there, but he
Speaker 1: even I mean, he had two hits on Justin Herbert
Speaker 1: in the win against the Chargers, and I just again,
Speaker 1: he's a rookie draft in the third round, Like, I
Speaker 1: don't expect you to do that weekend week out, but
Speaker 1: if you can do that, and I mean it, it
Speaker 1: fell off a cliff after that, like he had the
Speaker 1: rest of the year. After the games I just listed off,
Speaker 1: he had three quarterback hits the rest of the way.
Speaker 1: Do you happen to have his the number of snaps
Speaker 1: he had in those those games, those two to five
Speaker 1: kind of going to Knick's point of kind of his
Speaker 1: his playtime may have declined, it didn't fall off as
Speaker 1: it trade crazy as you as you want to think
Speaker 1: like whre he was. It hovered around sixty during that stretch,
Speaker 1: and it did get into the forties later on in
Speaker 1: the season. But he's still I mean, he played sixty
Speaker 1: three percent against Denver, he played fifty six percent against
Speaker 1: New Orleans, fifty three against Arizona. It was still getting
Speaker 1: plenty of time. It dipped, but not by like this
Speaker 1: crazy number. Um. But if he can do that on
Speaker 1: a consistent basis, that is, that could be very impressive production.
Speaker 1: Now moving on to the other third round pick from
Speaker 1: last year and n Sean Wright, did you expect more
Speaker 1: from him than what you saw? No? I think he
Speaker 1: looked exactly like what he was billed as, which is
Speaker 1: like a developmental guy who's rare traits aka being that
Speaker 1: long while still being pretty athletic. Y'all were shocked, right,
Speaker 1: we were, so maybe the most shocked I've ever been. Okay,
Speaker 1: so really yes, So here we are fast forward a year.
Speaker 1: I mean again, like you say, I take time to develop,
Speaker 1: but y'all look more correct about where he was than
Speaker 1: the cowboys right now, which really, let's not say y'all
Speaker 1: because that's the funny thing, and he's not always right.
Speaker 1: He'll be the first person to tell you that. But
Speaker 1: Dane Brugler is so incredible at his job, Like he
Speaker 1: watches so many prospects, he's got an idea of all
Speaker 1: of these players. And when they called his name, the
Speaker 1: first thing the rest of us did was open Dane's book, like,
Speaker 1: who the hell is this guy? Dane? What do you
Speaker 1: got for us? Do you know anything? And Dane's like,
Speaker 1: I think all the color went out of Dane's face.
Speaker 1: He was like, I have a seventh round grade on him,
Speaker 1: and we were all just like, okay, I guess we
Speaker 1: need to learn about Nashan Wright during this commercial break
Speaker 1: and so that, but we we had a whole conversation
Speaker 1: about it after that day. Is like, the pick is
Speaker 1: immediately colored by what the analysts know, because that's what
Speaker 1: you can go on, right, So people are like, well,
Speaker 1: Dane thinks he's a seventh round pick. This is a
Speaker 1: terrible pick. And Dane will be the first one to
Speaker 1: say it doesn't mean I'm right. We got to see
Speaker 1: how this thing plays out. And he does the grade
Speaker 1: for thirty two teams. He says, this is what this
Speaker 1: player would be for most of the teams, but he's
Speaker 1: not dan Quinn, and dan Quinn has a vision of
Speaker 1: what his guy is and there could be other team
Speaker 1: that had a seventh round pick. But having said that,
Speaker 1: coaches can be just as wrong, because Rod Marinelli is
Speaker 1: the reason why Tristan Hill is here and Taco Charlton
Speaker 1: got drafted probably, and what was the safety that Kansas
Speaker 1: City took instead of taking there was like Thornhill, who's
Speaker 1: been a pretty good player. So it's I mean he
Speaker 1: played thirteen games. He started the BS game against Philly
Speaker 1: at the end of the year. He did make some
Speaker 1: nice contributions on special teams. Nashan Right, Yeah, so I
Speaker 1: mean scored a touchdown. Yeah, he was one of the
Speaker 1: twenty four, but two. I twenty it wasn't twenty four. Two.
Speaker 1: I look at it as a red shirt year for
Speaker 1: a guy that needed some seasoning. But I am I'm
Speaker 1: you know, I'm curious to see what it looks like
Speaker 1: in year two, that's for sure. And here's what's interesting.
Speaker 1: If he has a really good offseason. Um, I don't
Speaker 1: like saying this because I mean, the guy could be
Speaker 1: here all year, but you know, something's got to happen
Speaker 1: here with a cornerback position. And so you know, Anthony
Speaker 1: Brown with his five million dollar price tag, I mean,
Speaker 1: you get to the end of the season and I
Speaker 1: mean end up training camp and all that. If if Joseph,
Speaker 1: if Nation right have made these leaps and all that,
Speaker 1: I mean, it could happen where they maybe make a
Speaker 1: trade or something like that, because because that's what you
Speaker 1: hope for, that's what you hope for. Because we talked
Speaker 1: about progress stoppers all the time, and they don't want
Speaker 1: to have anyone that's gonna be if it's the same,
Speaker 1: and then definitely not making the same You want to
Speaker 1: get these guys on the field, but they they would
Speaker 1: I mean, they talk so much about saving money against
Speaker 1: the cap. It would be their dream to be able
Speaker 1: to shed some of that veteran salary. And I talk
Speaker 1: out of this side of my mouth, and I think
Speaker 1: you start cutting your depth at cornerback. And then he
Speaker 1: ended up signing the Richard Robinson from you know at
Speaker 1: the end of the season, and the Chris Westy's who's
Speaker 1: still in the league playing well. But but you signed
Speaker 1: the starting I've seen you. Yeah, but you signed this
Speaker 1: guy for Baltimore. They had no one else. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: you know, cutting cutting depth at cornerback's kind of trade. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's one position where I'm like, I can't have enough. Yeah,
Speaker 1: keep You're right about the people. I want to keep
Speaker 1: those guys here, all right, screw that, don't make that trade.
Speaker 1: But because he'll get on the field, Nahan right, will
Speaker 1: get on the field. Think you could if right, if
Speaker 1: Kelvin and or Wright was good enough, you could deal
Speaker 1: one of those vets. I don't think it would be
Speaker 1: smart to get rid of both of them. I mean
Speaker 1: and Kelvin Joseph and you know, Jordan Lewis and Anthony Brown.
Speaker 1: I mean that's one, two three on the roster right there.
Speaker 1: They all change numbers. Yeah, what two three? What all
Speaker 1: the numbers that are saying? I know, oh time for
Speaker 1: this there? Those are the those are the significant ones.
Speaker 1: Kelvin Joseph is one, Jordan Lewis's two, Anthony Brown is three,
Speaker 1: DAK is still for Dak's still four. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: Chauncey Galston's ninety nine. Now, Fowler's gonna wear fifty six,
Speaker 1: which he's worn for most of them. For Washington eighty three,
Speaker 1: I believe, so eighty three eighty okay, yeah, um, and
Speaker 1: mcquama went to twenty four. Yeah, but from what I hear,
Speaker 1: it might not last very long. Hooker, Yeah, Hooker might
Speaker 1: want to that's that's gonna change again, I feel so.
Speaker 1: I'm telling about the receiver though, that they draft. There's dude,
Speaker 1: there's only like there's one number available for what now
Speaker 1: and it's Ninember nine. But see that's but like they'll
Speaker 1: they'll make t J. Vasher move or something if they
Speaker 1: want to that's I love the new number rule because
Speaker 1: it's fun and guys get to wear what they want
Speaker 1: to wear. But I feel sorry for Mike, like no, no,
Speaker 1: and Jordan Lewis, how many times is it gonna change numbers?
Speaker 1: It's like, is it three times already? I was kind
Speaker 1: of surprised by that because I believe twenty six was
Speaker 1: his college number, So it's weird to see a guy
Speaker 1: get out of his college number and into something new.
Speaker 1: But what the single did just do? Look cooler? They do,
Speaker 1: not admit than they do six. It's it's a cooler looking.
Speaker 1: I'd keep a couple open though, just for the draft. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but like you never know. Before this rule, the equipment
Speaker 1: guys really only had to worry about this, Like around
Speaker 1: draft time. It's like, okay, we drafted this guy. We
Speaker 1: got to rearrange this. Now from like February to June,
Speaker 1: it's like, hey, Mike, Mike, how do I get into
Speaker 1: how do I get the It's like, oh my god, dude,
Speaker 1: leave me alone. I got enough stuff going on. All right.
Speaker 1: We appreciate you, guys, Jonas. We'll be back next week.
Speaker 1: At least these three guys will be back. They'll I'm
Speaker 1: sure we'll be getting you guys ready from draft until
Speaker 1: then for Nick, even Dave helm At amber Garci'm Derek Eagelton.
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