WEBVTT - Cowboys Break: Second Best? 0:00:04.240 --> 0:00:06.800 The following. Here's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:06.800 --> 0:00:17.079 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Cowboys Let's go. Are 0:00:17.160 --> 0:00:20.040 you ready for a break? Yes? Are you ready for 0:00:20.079 --> 0:00:25.160 a break? Absolutely ready for a break? Yeah, and so 0:00:25.239 --> 0:00:29.040 much for that. It's time for the Break on Dallas 0:00:29.040 --> 0:00:35.120 Cowboys dot Com with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar 0:00:35.240 --> 0:00:41.479 Garcia and Derek Eagleton. It is Wednesday, April thirteenth, twenty 0:00:41.640 --> 0:00:45.120 twenty two, Season seventeen. I'm sorry, Season eighteen, episode number 0:00:45.159 --> 0:00:47.040 four a while. Where would we be without that? Oh? 0:00:47.080 --> 0:00:49.440 My god, that year. There's no way we're gonna miss 0:00:49.479 --> 0:00:51.599 that year. Welcome to latest edition of the Break Well 0:00:51.600 --> 0:00:54.000 if st WBC Morri Studios at the Star, got Nick, 0:00:54.080 --> 0:00:56.200 David Amber here with me. We got a full crew. 0:00:56.920 --> 0:00:58.800 It's been now a few weeks now, we've been rolling 0:00:58.840 --> 0:01:01.200 with a full crew. So this good. Let's keep this going. 0:01:01.440 --> 0:01:04.399 Although I won't be able to be here next week, Okay, Yeah, 0:01:04.440 --> 0:01:07.240 it's up to you, Derek. Yeah, next week, I got 0:01:07.240 --> 0:01:08.640 I got something I gotta do. But so I won't 0:01:08.680 --> 0:01:11.080 be here next week, I assume one of you guys 0:01:11.120 --> 0:01:13.959 will will host and keep this thing rolling heading into 0:01:13.959 --> 0:01:15.920 the draft. So but I'll be back for the week 0:01:15.920 --> 0:01:18.440 of the draft, so that'll be good. Cool, glad to 0:01:18.480 --> 0:01:20.400 hear it, really, Nick, is that what we're gonna go? 0:01:20.440 --> 0:01:24.600 Is that? How yay? Okay? All right? Yeah? Because the 0:01:24.600 --> 0:01:26.480 week of the draft. I mean, it's gonna be like 0:01:27.680 --> 0:01:30.240 Dave's Draft Show. It's gonna be the Dave Show. Dave 0:01:30.319 --> 0:01:34.160 tell us about this guy that guy. Sure, all right, good, Um, 0:01:34.240 --> 0:01:36.240 here's what's gonna do. We started a little bit of 0:01:36.280 --> 0:01:38.360 a well not a little bit. We started a conversation 0:01:38.480 --> 0:01:42.600 last week about the draft and what the Cowboys have 0:01:42.640 --> 0:01:44.840 done all the last five years. We thought we would 0:01:44.880 --> 0:01:48.680 get through several rounds. Um, these guys only got through 0:01:48.720 --> 0:01:50.760 one and so that leaves us with a total of 0:01:50.840 --> 0:01:53.920 six other rounds that we can talk about today, and 0:01:54.200 --> 0:01:56.960 we're gonna jump into the second round right off the bat. 0:01:57.440 --> 0:01:59.720 We talked a little bit about Kelvin Joseph last time, 0:02:00.480 --> 0:02:02.640 and we talked about, you know, kind of where his 0:02:02.720 --> 0:02:05.880 expectations are, where a selling is. But I want to 0:02:05.920 --> 0:02:08.359 I want to move to the other cornerback, the cornerback 0:02:08.440 --> 0:02:11.840 that had the phenomenal season this year. And my question 0:02:11.880 --> 0:02:15.119 for you guys is what are your thoughts on Trey 0:02:15.160 --> 0:02:17.040 Von Diggs. I know that's a big question, but I 0:02:17.080 --> 0:02:20.040 think there's like there are these different schools of thoughts. 0:02:20.080 --> 0:02:22.040 Some people focus on the fact that he's got all 0:02:22.080 --> 0:02:24.720 these interceptions. Some people want to focus on the fact 0:02:24.760 --> 0:02:26.840 that they think he gives up too many yards, or 0:02:27.160 --> 0:02:30.960 there's there's this a really big range of opinions out 0:02:31.000 --> 0:02:33.800 there with regards to what Trey Von Diggs is and 0:02:33.840 --> 0:02:36.680 how good he is as a cornerback. What do you think? 0:02:37.280 --> 0:02:42.079 My honest, genuine opinion is that the only reason that 0:02:42.120 --> 0:02:44.160 this is even a conversation is because he plays for 0:02:44.280 --> 0:02:48.960 Dallas Cowboys. Like I've never in my life can remember 0:02:48.960 --> 0:02:52.320 a conversation like this where a guy that was named 0:02:52.400 --> 0:02:55.840 first team All Pro is being like hotly debated about 0:02:55.880 --> 0:02:58.280 whether or not he's good at his job or it's 0:02:58.360 --> 0:03:03.360 unbelievable to me, and it's a valid criticism. He's a 0:03:03.440 --> 0:03:07.320 gambling type of cornerback. He's certainly was beaten on plenty 0:03:07.360 --> 0:03:10.200 of occasions. He was still one of the best four 0:03:10.320 --> 0:03:12.520 or five cornerbacks in the league last year. The numbers 0:03:12.520 --> 0:03:16.560 speak for themselves. And on top of that, it's ironic 0:03:16.680 --> 0:03:20.040 because they got rid of the guy that didn't give 0:03:20.120 --> 0:03:23.000 up yards but didn't make plays because that wasn't good enough. 0:03:23.280 --> 0:03:25.880 Like they got rid of Byron Jones for this very reason, 0:03:26.360 --> 0:03:29.280 and they got exactly what they said they wanted, which 0:03:29.320 --> 0:03:32.600 is a guy that makes plays. When you play with 0:03:33.800 --> 0:03:36.200 aggression like that, when you gamble like that, you're gonna 0:03:36.200 --> 0:03:38.560 give up some plays. Trayvon Diggs did not give up 0:03:38.560 --> 0:03:43.800 plays nearly often enough that people are like, he's a liability, okay, whatever, 0:03:43.880 --> 0:03:46.960 he led the league in picks, shut up. If he 0:03:47.040 --> 0:03:53.040 played for the anyone, if he played for the Indianapolis Colts, 0:03:53.080 --> 0:03:55.200 I would be reading think pieces about why are we 0:03:55.280 --> 0:03:57.720 not talking about the best corner in the league. Trayvon 0:03:58.040 --> 0:03:59.960 kind of like Xavien Howard in Miami. People are like, 0:04:00.280 --> 0:04:02.280 if you're a real football fan, you know who x 0:04:02.280 --> 0:04:05.040 Avian Howard is, and only casuals don't realize that he's 0:04:05.080 --> 0:04:07.920 the best. And Treyvon Diggs has an eleven pick season 0:04:08.000 --> 0:04:10.560 and people are like, is he good? It's ridiculous, and 0:04:10.600 --> 0:04:14.320 it's just it's one of those things. The Cowboys are 0:04:14.320 --> 0:04:16.520 the most polarizing team in the NFL, and that's it 0:04:16.640 --> 0:04:18.800 is what it is. I'll get off my soapbox now, Yeah, 0:04:18.880 --> 0:04:20.599 Dave talked for three minutes. You should have talked for 0:04:20.600 --> 0:04:24.160 three seconds. Sorry, it's dumb. It's dumb. He's an outstanding 0:04:24.240 --> 0:04:26.800 football player and the only people that don't say that 0:04:26.839 --> 0:04:29.719 are trying to justify the publication that they work for 0:04:29.960 --> 0:04:33.320 to look like we dig deeper into the numbers all that. 0:04:33.320 --> 0:04:38.039 That's a bull Yeah, it's it's ridiculous. He's eleven interceptions 0:04:38.120 --> 0:04:41.000 last year he scored two touchdowns. I don't know if 0:04:41.040 --> 0:04:43.240 he gave up two. He gave up maybe two or three. 0:04:43.600 --> 0:04:46.200 That's a great ratio. That's that's that's exactly what you 0:04:46.279 --> 0:04:50.000 want from mccorner. I absolutely love him. I love the guy, 0:04:50.160 --> 0:04:54.599 love his son too, the cutest. But he's someone that 0:04:55.400 --> 0:04:57.960 and you guys know that I'm super critical and I 0:04:58.000 --> 0:05:00.040 criticize a lot of people here on the shop. It 0:05:00.200 --> 0:05:01.960 is because of the show and the job. I mean, 0:05:02.040 --> 0:05:04.680 that's what it is. Whatever but sposed to yeah, yeah, 0:05:04.680 --> 0:05:06.720 but no. My point is I'm not going to criticize 0:05:06.800 --> 0:05:10.160 someone that has done things that I haven't seen happen 0:05:10.960 --> 0:05:13.440 in the cornerback position for the Dallas Cowboys in a 0:05:13.480 --> 0:05:15.320 really long time, at least not since the time I've 0:05:15.360 --> 0:05:17.920 been here. I'm not going to criticize someone that has 0:05:18.080 --> 0:05:22.400 made the secondary of the Dallas Cowboys be exciting and 0:05:22.480 --> 0:05:25.799 be something that you look forward to in a game. 0:05:26.040 --> 0:05:29.719 So I take those criticism put it to the side. 0:05:29.800 --> 0:05:32.440 I'm happy he's here. I'm glad to see what he's done. 0:05:32.520 --> 0:05:34.640 I'm excited to see what he can do this year. 0:05:34.960 --> 0:05:38.280 And I think he's a player that hasn't necessarily reached 0:05:38.440 --> 0:05:41.200 the ceiling. I think he can keep improving in those 0:05:41.240 --> 0:05:44.159 areas that people are criticizing. I'm not saying he's always 0:05:44.160 --> 0:05:46.600 going to have that amount of interceptions and every year 0:05:46.640 --> 0:05:50.640 or even get more, but he can definitely keep improving 0:05:50.680 --> 0:05:53.240 in the areas that he's being criticized for. You look 0:05:53.240 --> 0:05:55.320 at the second round picks of the Dallas Cowboys have 0:05:55.400 --> 0:05:58.960 made over the last five years, Kelvin Joseph, Treyvon Dicks, 0:05:59.040 --> 0:06:02.760 Tristan Hill, Honor Williams, and Cheetobel Woozier, And I want 0:06:02.760 --> 0:06:05.040 to talk a little about a Cheeto because going on 0:06:05.080 --> 0:06:08.320 that same thing of cornerbacks, do you guys think that 0:06:08.600 --> 0:06:12.440 that maybe there is this unrealistic expectation from fans, maybe 0:06:12.440 --> 0:06:16.240 for media of what a good cornerback is because you 0:06:16.279 --> 0:06:19.440 look at guys like the conversation came up with Byron Jones, 0:06:19.480 --> 0:06:21.680 like is that really a good cornerback? He didn't give 0:06:21.760 --> 0:06:24.280 up a lot, but he wasn't getting you interceptions Cheetobey. 0:06:24.400 --> 0:06:26.400 I mean people wanted to say he's not that good. 0:06:26.440 --> 0:06:28.400 Now you can question how much money he was given, 0:06:28.800 --> 0:06:31.560 but he had a good gear last year, do you 0:06:31.640 --> 0:06:34.279 think and then obviously Trey Von Diggs, But do you 0:06:34.360 --> 0:06:37.680 think there's an unrealistic expectation that either you have to 0:06:37.680 --> 0:06:41.080 be Dion Sanders or you suck at cornerback? There always 0:06:41.080 --> 0:06:43.800 has been, at least since the league started changing over 0:06:43.800 --> 0:06:47.040 this last decade. Outside of being a great quarterback, it's 0:06:47.040 --> 0:06:49.160 the hardest job in the NFL in my opinion. I mean, 0:06:49.200 --> 0:06:53.640 you can't win. You cannot win receivers. You know, we 0:06:53.720 --> 0:06:56.560 keep talking about how five and six freak receivers coming 0:06:56.560 --> 0:06:58.560 to the league every year. Kids are playing seven on 0:06:58.600 --> 0:07:02.680 seven from the age of eight. Rules basically dictate that 0:07:02.720 --> 0:07:05.000 the game is going to be passed happy and you 0:07:05.080 --> 0:07:08.120 have to be good enough to you know, if you 0:07:08.160 --> 0:07:12.560 give up sixty percent completions, you're probably pretty good. You know, 0:07:12.640 --> 0:07:16.320 Like the deck is stacked against cornerbacks. It's always been unfair. 0:07:16.480 --> 0:07:18.840 Cheeto was fine while he was here. He wasn't amazing, 0:07:19.000 --> 0:07:22.440 but he was a solid player. Anthony Brown, he's a 0:07:22.440 --> 0:07:24.760 solid player. I mean, we spend so much time talking 0:07:24.760 --> 0:07:27.720 about him because people think he's a bomb when he's 0:07:27.800 --> 0:07:30.000 really not. And it was the same thing with Cheeto 0:07:30.080 --> 0:07:32.920 in my opinion. Yeah yeah, I mean good enough to 0:07:32.920 --> 0:07:34.640 get a nine million a year. I mean, Cheeto to 0:07:34.680 --> 0:07:37.520 me reminded me of Anthony Hitchins of like, yeah, I 0:07:37.520 --> 0:07:41.120 mean it's okay, and we can't afford to pay you. 0:07:41.200 --> 0:07:43.440 We probably wouldn't mind keeping you, but you know you're 0:07:43.440 --> 0:07:45.480 gonna get that kind of money. Go ahead. And then 0:07:45.480 --> 0:07:48.640 he went and went to a team that ended up 0:07:48.640 --> 0:07:51.560 doing well and playing in the playoffs. If Cincinnati didn't 0:07:51.560 --> 0:07:53.080 make the playoffs, I don't think anyone would have been 0:07:53.120 --> 0:07:55.560 talking a lot about Cheeto. You know, a lot of 0:07:55.600 --> 0:07:58.200 fans wouldn't have seen him all which And it's it's 0:07:58.240 --> 0:08:01.960 the Hitchins is a fantastic point because people see and 0:08:02.040 --> 0:08:04.080 I'm thrilled for Cheeto. I'm glad he got his contract. 0:08:04.120 --> 0:08:05.760 I'm glad he wound up on a good team, got 0:08:05.800 --> 0:08:08.280 to make that run. Had a good season. But people 0:08:08.280 --> 0:08:10.520 see Cheeto in the Super Bowl and it's like, well, 0:08:10.600 --> 0:08:12.920 we screwed that up. It's like, no, you didn't. You 0:08:13.000 --> 0:08:16.160 didn't Anthony Hitchins going to the Chiefs. He didn't put 0:08:16.200 --> 0:08:18.400 the Chiefs over the top. With all due respect to him, 0:08:18.440 --> 0:08:20.160 I'm not trying to throw him under the bus, but 0:08:20.200 --> 0:08:22.520 like he went to the team that had Mahomes and 0:08:22.520 --> 0:08:24.800 all these like he was a nice piece on a 0:08:24.800 --> 0:08:28.160 Super Bowl team. It's not like Anthony Hitchins carried them 0:08:28.160 --> 0:08:30.160 across the finish line. And it's like, oh, we made 0:08:30.160 --> 0:08:33.000 a mistake by not giving Anthony Hitchins sixty million dollars. No, 0:08:33.440 --> 0:08:34.920 and I don't think they made a mistake by not 0:08:34.920 --> 0:08:36.959 giving Cheeto twenty three million. Yeah, and I don't think 0:08:36.960 --> 0:08:39.400 they did either. I do think, though, that Cheeto had 0:08:39.400 --> 0:08:42.240 a bad rap here. I think that fans probably thought 0:08:42.240 --> 0:08:44.120 of him as much lesser of a player than I 0:08:44.120 --> 0:08:46.400 think he really is. You guys agree with that, well 0:08:46.520 --> 0:08:49.160 he was. I mean there was a good while when 0:08:49.240 --> 0:08:51.960 he was dealing with the hamstring injury and he was out, 0:08:52.040 --> 0:08:54.640 and then there were questions around that too. He's he 0:08:55.200 --> 0:08:58.000 really all that hurt? Or is he? You know? Really 0:08:58.040 --> 0:09:01.720 trying to get every and get back on the field. 0:09:01.920 --> 0:09:05.720 I think there were rumors on that around here. But 0:09:06.040 --> 0:09:07.880 going back to your question too, I think it's a 0:09:07.920 --> 0:09:11.600 combination of both where you have to yes on one end. 0:09:11.679 --> 0:09:15.280 You have higher expectations sometimes, but it's like, how do 0:09:15.320 --> 0:09:17.959 you combine everything because you're not gonna get everything. It's 0:09:17.960 --> 0:09:22.040 like if you see Anthony Brown combined with Cheetoba Woozier, 0:09:22.360 --> 0:09:26.080 You're like, Okay, that's not necessarily the best combination there, 0:09:26.120 --> 0:09:28.839 but you're gonna need a guy like Anthony Brown on 0:09:28.880 --> 0:09:32.280 the team, pair with someone maybe like Trevor dix so. 0:09:32.960 --> 0:09:35.960 And yes, Cheetah was with Byron Jones at a time, 0:09:36.000 --> 0:09:38.000 but again I can't even remember how long he was 0:09:38.080 --> 0:09:41.240 hurt for, but expectations went up when he had that run. 0:09:41.360 --> 0:09:44.559 What was it that he ran like a cheetah? I 0:09:44.600 --> 0:09:50.200 guess like twenty five seconds? Yeah, but it was crazy. 0:09:50.200 --> 0:09:52.480 But I think that after seeing something like that, your 0:09:52.520 --> 0:09:55.800 expectations go even a lot higher and you're like, Okay, well, 0:09:55.840 --> 0:09:59.720 this guy is very um talented, not talented, what's the 0:10:00.280 --> 0:10:04.760 athletic athletic and he can maybe beat this type of player. 0:10:04.880 --> 0:10:09.079 But then injuries happened and then he just never really 0:10:09.120 --> 0:10:10.880 we never really got to see it to that level. 0:10:11.000 --> 0:10:13.720 You realize he had basically the exact same season in 0:10:13.760 --> 0:10:16.800 Cincinnati of his normal seasons. Here, I'm looking at his numbers. 0:10:16.880 --> 0:10:21.360 He started fourteen games for them, sixty four tackles, fourteen breakups, 0:10:21.360 --> 0:10:25.440 two picks his two. His eighteen and nineteen seasons in 0:10:25.559 --> 0:10:29.920 Dallas started fourteen and sixteen seventy one tackles, seventy nine tackles, 0:10:29.960 --> 0:10:33.640 eleven breakups, fourteen breakups, one pick each year. So he 0:10:34.160 --> 0:10:36.640 had more picks in Cincinnati. It was two instead of one, 0:10:36.720 --> 0:10:39.439 But I bet it. But and I think that actually 0:10:39.480 --> 0:10:41.520 tells the postseason. I think he had two at the posts. 0:10:41.520 --> 0:10:44.440 But that also tells you. That also tells you my point. 0:10:44.559 --> 0:10:47.839 It was the Yeah, I think it was the Super Bowl. 0:10:47.920 --> 0:10:51.199 If you look at how media and fans and Cincinnati 0:10:51.240 --> 0:10:54.280 talk about him, they think about him as, man, that's 0:10:54.280 --> 0:10:57.000 a really good cornerback. In Dallas, it was like, man, 0:10:57.160 --> 0:10:59.240 get this guy. I didn't. He's a bump. And that's 0:10:59.280 --> 0:11:02.280 my point, Like I do think, and there's probably somewhere 0:11:02.320 --> 0:11:04.480 in between. I'm not saying he's great. I'm certainly not 0:11:04.520 --> 0:11:06.120 saying he was great. He had a lot of room 0:11:06.120 --> 0:11:10.199 for improvement. But I also think there's this unfair expectation 0:11:10.320 --> 0:11:14.120 that that cornerbacks have here in Dallas, that fans and 0:11:14.320 --> 0:11:16.240 media put on them that there's an next pick, it's 0:11:16.280 --> 0:11:18.679 Anthony Brown. Anthony Brown is not a bad cornerback, but 0:11:18.720 --> 0:11:20.960 you listen to fans talk, there's a thought that he's 0:11:21.000 --> 0:11:22.880 not very good. And I just don't think that's actually 0:11:22.880 --> 0:11:26.640 because of what you just said. The fans, they a 0:11:26.679 --> 0:11:29.040 lot of them don't have the middle ground, and they 0:11:29.080 --> 0:11:31.280 don't have to because the one's gonna hold them accountab 0:11:31.640 --> 0:11:33.640 you can, I mean, there's you don't have to be 0:11:33.960 --> 0:11:37.559 you know, are you really angry? Are you really happy? No? No, 0:11:37.600 --> 0:11:40.720 I'm just if you win games, you're happy and you 0:11:40.720 --> 0:11:42.719 don't care about any of that. But it's just it's 0:11:42.760 --> 0:11:44.760 just everything is so black and white all the time. 0:11:44.840 --> 0:11:46.720 There's an in between. He was a he was a 0:11:46.760 --> 0:11:49.079 solid player, right, it was good. It was good player, 0:11:49.160 --> 0:11:51.480 a second round expectation by paying nine million for him, 0:11:51.480 --> 0:11:52.920 but he was a solid player. Yeah, that's and that's 0:11:52.960 --> 0:11:55.880 the thing. I mean, it's okay, it wasn't a bad pick. 0:11:56.200 --> 0:11:58.319 It wasn't a bad pick. They needed corners they got 0:11:58.360 --> 0:12:00.640 to that year. One of them, they'll hear the other 0:12:00.640 --> 0:12:03.959 one priced himself out of being here. Yeah. Yeah. Jordan 0:12:04.000 --> 0:12:08.600 and Cheeto both are the like definition of my opinion 0:12:08.640 --> 0:12:12.560 of like decent to good picks, not great picks, because 0:12:12.559 --> 0:12:14.760 if they were, well, Jordan did get a second contract, 0:12:14.760 --> 0:12:17.240 but it was not great. It was a it was like, 0:12:17.440 --> 0:12:19.959 come back to us, Well, the Cowboys got their price, 0:12:20.000 --> 0:12:22.439 whereas Cheeto was like, I'm getting a better price than 0:12:22.480 --> 0:12:26.600 what you're offering me. Um. Yeah. I feel a tremendous 0:12:26.640 --> 0:12:29.440 amount of sympathy for cornerbacks and in the modern NFL, 0:12:29.480 --> 0:12:31.920 and I think Cheeto is a very good player, and 0:12:31.960 --> 0:12:34.040 I think along those lines, if we're moving on, I mean, 0:12:34.120 --> 0:12:38.199 I think Connor Williams is exactly the same. Yeah, he started, 0:12:38.240 --> 0:12:40.319 he played, It wasn't good enough for them, but he 0:12:40.600 --> 0:12:42.160 was good enough for the Dolphins to make a lot 0:12:42.160 --> 0:12:44.120 of money. So cut on the same type of deal. 0:12:44.240 --> 0:12:46.520 I think our sorry, go ahead, no, I just the 0:12:47.120 --> 0:12:51.400 holding penalties that will color my opinion of Connor. Uh. 0:12:51.640 --> 0:12:54.280 I mean his last season was his worst season here, 0:12:54.400 --> 0:12:56.400 I think supposed to be the other way. Yeah yeah, 0:12:56.520 --> 0:13:01.240 and I mean that sucks. But back I'm we literally 0:13:01.559 --> 0:13:03.320 we had. We had an argument about this in the 0:13:03.360 --> 0:13:05.719 office this morning where it was like, you know what, 0:13:06.240 --> 0:13:08.880 what dictates the success of a second round pick, like 0:13:09.000 --> 0:13:11.960 what benchmarks? Well? And unfortunately I haven't had time to 0:13:11.960 --> 0:13:14.760 do the research. I'm going to do this because fortunately 0:13:14.840 --> 0:13:18.000 they changed the CBA and eleven and I think that 0:13:18.120 --> 0:13:20.240 changed the way you look at the draft. I want 0:13:20.240 --> 0:13:23.959 to know how many second round draft picks over the 0:13:24.040 --> 0:13:28.360 last decade have signed second contracts with their team, because 0:13:28.360 --> 0:13:31.600 I think that is that's the expectation when you're drafted 0:13:31.600 --> 0:13:33.720 in the second round. I wonder how often that happened. 0:13:33.760 --> 0:13:35.920 Hornerstone kind of pieces for your franchise at the Idea 0:13:36.000 --> 0:13:37.640 or what were you saying guys that you like enough 0:13:37.640 --> 0:13:39.360 to bring them back and like we're gonna, yeah, we 0:13:39.400 --> 0:13:41.480 will pay you above market value to come and continue 0:13:41.480 --> 0:13:44.120 to be part of our team. Because Connor Williams is 0:13:44.160 --> 0:13:45.880 such a we talked about him a little bit last week. 0:13:45.880 --> 0:13:47.880 That's such a It's a fascinating case study because he's 0:13:47.960 --> 0:13:50.760 right on the line of like good or disappointing pick, 0:13:50.760 --> 0:13:53.439 because on one hand, you're like, he started four years 0:13:53.440 --> 0:13:54.760 for us, he got it, he helped us get to 0:13:54.800 --> 0:13:56.960 the playoffs twice. And on the other hand, you're like, 0:13:57.320 --> 0:13:59.880 he's a top fifty pick who had his worst season 0:13:59.880 --> 0:14:02.720 in his last year and you didn't resign, And so 0:14:03.400 --> 0:14:04.839 you could say either one. You could say he was 0:14:04.840 --> 0:14:06.880 a pretty good pick or he's a disappointing pick, and 0:14:06.920 --> 0:14:09.600 I think both sides have a case. That's that's an 0:14:09.640 --> 0:14:12.719 interesting one. If it really if if teams really evaluated 0:14:12.760 --> 0:14:15.240 based upon do they end up in a second contract 0:14:15.280 --> 0:14:17.760 with the team that drafted them, and that look good 0:14:17.760 --> 0:14:21.200 for Dallas. I mean, obviously, Cheeto Connor, you can question 0:14:21.280 --> 0:14:23.160 whether you think Tristan Hill will be back, but he 0:14:23.280 --> 0:14:25.560 certainly has been injured so much you haven't really gotten 0:14:25.560 --> 0:14:27.080 a real good feel for what he can do. The hit. 0:14:27.160 --> 0:14:29.560 The hit rate in the second round in the time 0:14:29.560 --> 0:14:32.080 that I've been here is pretty bad, let's honestly. And 0:14:32.160 --> 0:14:34.720 let's let's also factor in a little bit too, is 0:14:34.720 --> 0:14:38.160 that all teams kind of view it differently, and if 0:14:38.160 --> 0:14:39.560 you want to take it back a little bit more 0:14:39.600 --> 0:14:42.440 than five years, I mean, we know the Cowboys have 0:14:43.480 --> 0:14:46.920 used the second round as a as a trying to 0:14:47.000 --> 0:14:49.360 hit home runs. Yeah, you know, and they swing for 0:14:49.400 --> 0:14:52.680 the fences. They they're getting the guy that's injured that 0:14:53.040 --> 0:14:56.160 it fell a little bit. For whatever the reason, They've 0:14:56.200 --> 0:14:58.520 always done that, and so they took a risk with 0:14:58.600 --> 0:15:02.640 Jalen Smith, took a risk with the Tank. With Tank, 0:15:02.720 --> 0:15:04.440 they took a risk with Bruce Carter who had a 0:15:04.480 --> 0:15:08.000 torn acl Randy Randy Gregory was a huge risk. Questions 0:15:08.040 --> 0:15:10.200 about Kelvin Joseph. That's why he was in the second round. 0:15:10.240 --> 0:15:12.440 He wasn't his athleticism that pushed him to the second 0:15:12.480 --> 0:15:14.800 round exactly. So this so their philosophy might be a 0:15:14.800 --> 0:15:17.960 little different than others, which is which is fine. I mean, 0:15:18.120 --> 0:15:20.000 but they are trying to hit home runs and I 0:15:20.840 --> 0:15:23.480 don't know if you would say that they've they you 0:15:23.520 --> 0:15:28.200 know that that approach hasn't really work. It hasn't paid 0:15:28.240 --> 0:15:30.720 the type of dividends that you would hope was What 0:15:30.840 --> 0:15:32.440 was the risk with Tank? That's why I made that 0:15:32.480 --> 0:15:36.960 face and the injury. I don't honestly, I don't remember that, 0:15:37.400 --> 0:15:39.800 not not really, I don't. I wouldn't read it up 0:15:39.840 --> 0:15:41.960 to go get it now that was the risk. I 0:15:41.960 --> 0:15:43.640 guess it's the risk that you don't have a third 0:15:43.760 --> 0:15:48.000 round pick. Yeah, but one was Lyle he wasn't drafted. 0:15:48.120 --> 0:15:52.520 That was dropt he would be a first round pick. 0:15:52.600 --> 0:15:55.360 But yeah, I forgot he wasn't drafted. I thought he 0:15:55.480 --> 0:15:59.320 just dropped back to um. But they, yeah, they liked to. 0:15:59.560 --> 0:16:01.680 They like to you know, try to, you know, get 0:16:01.680 --> 0:16:03.880 a home run there, and it hasn't happened. I mean, 0:16:03.920 --> 0:16:05.760 we thought the ball was going over the fence there 0:16:05.840 --> 0:16:10.040 for Jalen Smith, but it didn't win, got it? Uh? 0:16:11.640 --> 0:16:15.680 That is that is a fantastic analogy of like you 0:16:15.720 --> 0:16:19.040 just belt that thing to left everyone does that really 0:16:19.080 --> 0:16:21.760 go to your game? Gone on? And the left fielders like, 0:16:22.880 --> 0:16:24.560 I think it was, like, yeah, it was. It was. 0:16:24.680 --> 0:16:26.040 It was to the track because when he made it, 0:16:26.120 --> 0:16:28.480 when he made to the Pro Bowls, the outfielder had 0:16:28.520 --> 0:16:30.560 his his heels on the Warring track, but it just 0:16:30.600 --> 0:16:32.720 couldn't get that extra like six feet and then all 0:16:32.720 --> 0:16:36.880 of a sudden, that thing's and then yeah, he's not 0:16:36.920 --> 0:16:40.320 in the league. I think he's with the Giant. I 0:16:40.320 --> 0:16:42.320 didn't think he was gone for I saw something the 0:16:42.320 --> 0:16:44.920 other day where he posted something and a lot of 0:16:44.920 --> 0:16:47.680 the comments were like, I hope that Giants signed you back. 0:16:47.760 --> 0:16:50.040 So I don't know, I don't know, I don't know. 0:16:50.440 --> 0:16:52.080 I don't keep up with him, So I can't really 0:16:52.080 --> 0:16:55.040 tell you for sure. I don't either. What were you 0:16:55.040 --> 0:16:57.440 about to ask him? I have a question? And this 0:16:57.480 --> 0:17:02.120 is kind of difficult. I guess maybe two. But you know, 0:17:02.200 --> 0:17:05.919 the draft brings me a lot of frustration because we 0:17:06.000 --> 0:17:08.840 always hear your drafting for the future and all that, 0:17:09.240 --> 0:17:11.880 But at the same time, it's like, Okay, you gotta 0:17:11.960 --> 0:17:15.000 worry about the now and this year and this season 0:17:15.040 --> 0:17:17.439 and all that. And we've seen and talking about all 0:17:17.480 --> 0:17:19.920 the draft picks that they've made and all that we've seen, 0:17:19.920 --> 0:17:22.040 the kind of guys that they've had a lot of 0:17:22.080 --> 0:17:25.159 success with, and then now talking about these guys that 0:17:25.240 --> 0:17:28.280 end up leaving or whatever were they're a bust or not. 0:17:28.480 --> 0:17:31.080 Blah bla blah. But it's like, Okay, how do you 0:17:31.119 --> 0:17:33.320 really look at what the Cowboys have done over the 0:17:33.400 --> 0:17:36.000 year and at what point do you say, okay, maybe 0:17:36.560 --> 0:17:40.000 regardless of the hits that they have had through the draft, 0:17:41.600 --> 0:17:44.240 is it time to change strategy? Is it time to 0:17:44.320 --> 0:17:46.480 do something different? Is it time to go into the 0:17:46.560 --> 0:17:49.440 draft and do well maybe other teams that have been 0:17:49.480 --> 0:17:53.520 more successful than the Cowboys have been doing in recent years, 0:17:53.760 --> 0:17:57.679 or do you focus on the kind of success that 0:17:57.720 --> 0:18:00.520 they've had with certain guys. You know, what point do 0:18:00.600 --> 0:18:04.359 you maybe think it's time to really switch gears and 0:18:04.480 --> 0:18:07.399 take this a different way. That's what we've talked about. 0:18:07.440 --> 0:18:11.560 I don't, honestly, I don't think they should change their 0:18:11.680 --> 0:18:16.239 draft philosophy at all. Um it's working. I think they 0:18:16.240 --> 0:18:20.440 should change their free agent philosophy and go for more 0:18:20.640 --> 0:18:22.680 talent to play. And I think and if that means 0:18:23.119 --> 0:18:25.440 trading a fourth or fifth round pick for a guy 0:18:25.480 --> 0:18:27.360 that's proven, I think they need to do that route 0:18:27.400 --> 0:18:30.480 a little bit more often. But they are. What they've 0:18:30.520 --> 0:18:33.960 done with the draft I think works. I do. Now 0:18:34.480 --> 0:18:36.399 we say second round, I mean there's some hits and 0:18:36.440 --> 0:18:39.040 miss is there, but I'll put their track record up 0:18:39.080 --> 0:18:41.720 against just about it. I mean, Tocco is the only 0:18:41.760 --> 0:18:44.440 first round pick that has not made a Pro Bowl, right, 0:18:45.320 --> 0:18:47.800 and first round picking going all the way back to 0:18:47.840 --> 0:18:56.040 Tyron Smith looking oh six, yeah, I mean actually more 0:18:56.160 --> 0:18:59.040 right before, right before Tyron Mo and that was that 0:18:59.119 --> 0:19:01.440 was a tough one. I mean, I just everyone was 0:19:01.440 --> 0:19:03.760 was pumped about that. I mean, he was a great player. 0:19:03.840 --> 0:19:06.639 And I think I've brought this up before. I was 0:19:06.720 --> 0:19:09.520 covering LSU the year he got drafted and I'm not 0:19:09.560 --> 0:19:11.120 trying to sound like the smartest guy in the room, 0:19:11.160 --> 0:19:15.400 but I was like, oh, he's not Patrick Peterson. But again, 0:19:15.480 --> 0:19:17.359 like I can't prove that, I felt that would happened. 0:19:17.359 --> 0:19:21.240 Sometimes like that, sometimes a guy can ride the cotel 0:19:21.240 --> 0:19:23.680 of a great player and they're good, don't get me wrong, 0:19:23.920 --> 0:19:26.600 but they another player that was at their position at 0:19:26.600 --> 0:19:29.520 their school that they kind of go in behind them 0:19:29.520 --> 0:19:32.920 and everybody like Carpet, he's that next guy. MO was in. Well, 0:19:33.119 --> 0:19:35.920 forget being the next guy. MO was in a secondary 0:19:36.000 --> 0:19:39.879 with Patrick Peterson, Tyrone, Matthew and Eric Reid. I mean 0:19:39.960 --> 0:19:43.000 they were those were some floaded defenses. Wow. I didn't 0:19:43.000 --> 0:19:46.160 know Eric Reid was in that same secondary. Wow. Yeah. So, 0:19:47.480 --> 0:19:49.440 I mean, I think he could have been a much 0:19:49.440 --> 0:19:51.280 better player if he'd had a better run of luck 0:19:51.280 --> 0:19:54.439 with injuries. But I never bought the hype that he 0:19:54.520 --> 0:19:58.720