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Speaker 3: Welcome to it could happen here on Garrison Davis. This

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Speaker 3: show originally focused on the potentiality of a second American

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Speaker 3: Civil War and the conditions or events that might set

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Speaker 3: one into motion, and we will return to that topic

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Speaker 3: later this episode, but first let me introduce my guest

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Speaker 3: friend of the pod, artist and noted live streamer, Bailey

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Speaker 3: new Poster.

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Speaker 4: I don't like that that's what we're attributing to me nowadays,

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Speaker 4: but that's you know, that's fine, that's fair.

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Speaker 3: Hello, everybody, Thank you for coming back on the show.

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Speaker 3: Let's start our main topic. Last summer, President Trump announced

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Speaker 3: a UFC championship fight at the White House in twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty six as a part of the festivities for America's

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Speaker 3: two hundred and fiftieth birthday. The event was initially planned

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Speaker 3: to take place on July fourth, but last October Trump

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Speaker 3: announced it was rescheduled to take place on Flag Day,

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Speaker 3: June fourteenth, which coincides with his eightieth birthday. Come Memorial Day,

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Speaker 3: a giant claw like canopy was being erected on the

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Speaker 3: South lawn right in front of the White House. The event,

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Speaker 3: officially titled UFC Freedom two point fifty, had a lower

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Speaker 3: capacity than originally envisioned, just four thousand attendees, far from

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Speaker 3: the twenty five thousand spectators on the White House grounds

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Speaker 3: that Trump pitched last summer. The four thousand seats in

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Speaker 3: the miniature stadium arena were invite only. Most tickets went

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Speaker 3: to members of the military, while Trump had one thousand

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Speaker 3: tickets to give out at his discretion, though there were

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Speaker 3: eighty five thousand free tickets to watch the fights on

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Speaker 3: big screens from the Ellipse Park near the Washington Monument.

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Speaker 3: UC freem To fifty was streamed on Paramount Plus and

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Speaker 3: began with Trump and UFC CEO Dana White walking together

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Speaker 3: from the Oval office to the octagon. Zach Brown sung

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Speaker 3: the national anthem, featuring a military flyover. This was a

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Speaker 3: sixty million dollar production with fireworks, dirt bike tricks, and

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Speaker 3: music by the US Marine Band, which played Trump's favorite

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Speaker 3: song YMCA. Billionaires like David Allison and Mark Zuckerberg were

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Speaker 3: in attendance, along with members of Trump's cabinet and politicians.

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Speaker 3: Before the first fight, UFC announcer Bruce Boffer kick things

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Speaker 3: off in a way that really encapsulated the entire event.

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Speaker 3: And I'll show you this clip here and I'll have

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Speaker 3: the audience listen to the audio from.

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Speaker 5: The shot form Love the Wide, Posh and Washrington for

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Speaker 5: you say Freedom, two crypt for such Abye rab Trucks,

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Speaker 5: Nothing Stop ram and by Crypto dot com, the world's

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Speaker 5: leading cryptocurrency platform.

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Speaker 4: Yes, sponsorships on the White House lawn.

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Speaker 3: Let's go dude, Crypto shoutouts literally within thirty seconds of

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Speaker 3: like the actual event, like starting after the anthem, like

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Speaker 3: when once the fight starts, within thirty seconds we get

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Speaker 3: cryptocurrency ads. And I mean the stage was covered in

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Speaker 3: logos for Red, White and Blue, Monster Energy, Meta Rumble,

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Speaker 3: the far right video streaming platform Crypto dot Com, as mentioned,

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Speaker 3: Steak Gambling, and of course polymarket. UFC fighters were actually

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Speaker 3: paid in the form of a crypto coin called USD

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Speaker 3: one issued by the Trump family's own crypto company, World

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Speaker 3: Liberty Financial. Awesome crypto all the way in this event,

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Speaker 3: but UFC Freedom to Fifty went off largely without a hitch,

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Speaker 3: save for a stunt pulled by UFC heel Josh Hokit

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Speaker 3: after winning his heavyweight match where he called Michelle Obama

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Speaker 4: Oh, that's that's probably one of my favorite conspiracy theories.

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Speaker 4: The Michelle Obama is a man.

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Speaker 3: See, it's pretty old. People have been people have been

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Speaker 3: writing that for like over a decade.

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Speaker 4: That's a that's a classic. I like the ones that

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Speaker 4: mix it with Michelle Obama as a man and Obama

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Speaker 3: A solid, straight tea for tea relationship there.

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Speaker 3: Joe Rogan never addressed this comment for the rest of

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Speaker 3: Hokit from the YouTube upload and has been issuing takedown

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Speaker 3: requests across social media. UFC CEO DN and White full

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Speaker 3: Time Magazine that he's quote completely against saying nasty and

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Speaker 3: false things about people's families. Everyone knows my position on

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Speaker 3: free speech, but I hate that kind of nonsense unquote.

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Speaker 3: But according to the FBI, this event could have gone

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Speaker 3: very differently. On the morning of Tuesday, June sixteenth, the

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Speaker 3: DOJ announced that the FBI and law enforcement had prevented

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Speaker 3: a mass casualty attack attempting to kill government officials, with

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Speaker 3: involving explosives, drones, and snipers. Vice President Jade Vance addressed

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Speaker 3: the alleged terror plot on Fox and Friends Tuesday morning, saying, quote,

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Speaker 3: so much of the far left rhetoric is driving itself

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Speaker 3: towards violence. Let's take a list. This is very, very

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Speaker 6: This is what happens when people turn the rhetoric up

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Speaker 6: so loud that disagree with somebody is a cause for violence.

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Speaker 6: That's the place that we've come to. Unfortunately, I think

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Speaker 6: a lot of my Democratic colleagues in Washington have got

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Speaker 7: Maybe they can do something different.

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Speaker 4: His eyes are getting like deeper set, Like he looks

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Speaker 3: Maybe it's just he doesn't get thicker eyelighter, or maybe

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Speaker 3: he's moved to eyeshadow.

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Speaker 4: That's possible, that is.

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Speaker 3: Which is the sensible move. And yeah, you start off

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Speaker 3: with eyeliner, doesn't look good. Then you realize what I

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Speaker 4: Imagine tears streaking down his face and his eye.

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Speaker 3: Oh Midwest evo, Oh Midwest Evo.

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Speaker 4: Shiver ran up my spine.

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Speaker 3: So, according to the Vice President, this alleged are plot

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Speaker 3: was coming from the Democrat side of politics and simply

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Speaker 3: the result of them turning up political rhetoric. Fox News

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Speaker 3: reported that upwards of twenty three people were involved in

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Speaker 3: this plot, five of whom are currently in custody, with

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Speaker 3: the details of the plan being uncovered on the encrypted

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Speaker 3: messaging app Signal. Fox News claimed the thwarted attack was

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Speaker 3: targeting capitalism, billionaires, and apac. Jd Vance also mentioned how

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Speaker 3: the administration is going after the terrorist funding networks facilitating

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Speaker 6: We're trying to look at the underground networks that drive

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Speaker 6: towards this violence. Twenty three people do not get to

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Speaker 6: the point where they're going to commit a mass terror

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Speaker 6: incident in Washington, DC without some serious funding, without some

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Speaker 6: serious coordination. And we've actually been trying to go with

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Speaker 6: those networks of coordination because this is this is a

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Speaker 6: terrorist plot. That's not a few guys doing crazy stuff.

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Speaker 7: That is a.

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Speaker 3: Coordinated plan terrorist plot.

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Speaker 6: Thank god we thwarded it, but we've got to do

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Speaker 3: According to the charges announced by the DOJ, Tyson Proper

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Speaker 3: nineteen years old of Ohio, Brian Row twenty four of California,

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Speaker 3: conspired to plan and execute a mass casualty events targeting

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Speaker 3: politicians and other quote unquote high value targets at the

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Speaker 3: UFC Freedom to Fifty event. The co conspirators allegedly planned

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Speaker 3: where other co conspirators would be set up with sniper

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Speaker 4: It's sort of a real shame that the io interactive

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Speaker 4: guys aren't making another hit Man game.

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Speaker 3: For a minute, A lot of this is like very Hitman,

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Speaker 3: very yeah, very Agent forty seven's type stuff. And as

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Speaker 3: an increasingly video gamey yeah yeah. Acting Atorney General Todd

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Speaker 3: Blanche said, quote the FBI, our law enforcement partners, and

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Speaker 3: our use attorneys that did what they do every day

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Speaker 3: to make America safe through quick response and vigilance in investigating, disrupting,

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Speaker 3: and dismantling this alleged plan before it could be carried out.

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Speaker 3: FBI Director Caspitel said, quote, Thanks to the rapid action

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Speaker 3: multi state operation, multiple individuals are now in custody and

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Speaker 3: allegedly planned attacks were stopped cold. While the result represented

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Speaker 3: to detect, respond to, and bring to justice those who

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Speaker 4: And he said all that without blinking those big wet

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Speaker 3: I think this was mostly in the form of a tweet.

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Speaker 3: So it sounds like the FBI did a darn fine

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Speaker 3: job preventing this terrorist attack. Except what what happened here

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Speaker 3: was not the result of the FBI's excellent investigative prowess.

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Speaker 3: They did not just stumble across this attack because of their,

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Speaker 3: you know, diligent, diligent efforts to disrupt terrorist planning. Law

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Speaker 3: enforcement only learned about this potential attack because on June tenth,

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Speaker 3: the mother of one of the co conspirators called local

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Speaker 3: purchases and contact with individuals online. Officers went to their

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Speaker 3: member told officers that Proper had quote recently met random

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Speaker 3: quote unquote missions and quote unquote recons with these individuals

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Speaker 3: After local law enforcement interviewed Proper and his family. Tyson

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Speaker 3: on his homicidal ideations, detailing that Proper had been thinking

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Speaker 4: I like that. It's always like these guys, no matter

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that that's sort of kind of more like floaty mindset.

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Speaker 3: I think there's more of a factor here than like

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Speaker 3: any specific political ideology in a sense. And we'll get

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Speaker 3: that this group envisioned itself, like the role that it

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Speaker 3: had on starting a second American Revolution. But there's very

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Speaker 3: little like defined ideology happening with these individuals, and for

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Speaker 3: someone like Proper, there's a large degree of delusional thinking

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's guys who want to do missions. Yeah, exactly,

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Speaker 4: it's it like missions and recon.

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Speaker 3: It's very it's it's it's very it's like aesthetically based

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Speaker 3: and what. We'll get into this sort of like you know,

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Speaker 3: I don't want to take six business years to do

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Speaker 3: it unquote six business years.

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Speaker 4: He's making it sound more professional.

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Speaker 3: That's this is like larpie, right. They're using all these

441
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 3: like you know, the sort of like tier one operator

442
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 3: terms which we'll get into in a sack, and like

443
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 3: you know, missions. They wanted to have professional six business years.

444
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 3: This is serious, the same as a regular year. It's

445
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Speaker 3: not it. But Thomas also wrote that everyone in the

446
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,440
Speaker 3: group should quote consider yourselves an enemy of the state,

447
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 3: and discussed imagining executions. Another Coken spirit named Brian Row

448
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 3: of California wrote about the need for quote unquote gorilla

449
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:32,920
Speaker 3: style warfare and quote unquote raid attacks with quote skilled

450
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:39,200
Speaker 3: operators to work like ghosts to conduct infiltration missions unquote Yes,

451
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Speaker 3: very hit man, very agent for seven right.

452
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Speaker 9: Right.

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Speaker 3: These are frankly just like the totally totally delusional. The

454
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Speaker 3: criminal complaint says that Thomas and Raw met at least

455
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Speaker 3: once in the last month in southern California to quote

456
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Speaker 3: practice marksmanship and tactics. Michael Thomas of California described different

457
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:02,159
Speaker 3: tiers of operators within the Vanguard of the Old Republic,

458
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,919
Speaker 3: and this is largely taking from military terms.

459
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Speaker 2: Quote.

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Speaker 3: Tier one operators may be asked to put themselves in

461
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,880
Speaker 3: harm's way, break the law, and potentially go into hiding.

462
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 3: Tier two would consist of getaway drivers, drone operators, and

463
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,880
Speaker 3: direct support. May still be asked to seriously break the law.

464
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 3: Tier three may be a runner or part of the

465
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:28,119
Speaker 3: underground railroad indirect support, recruitment, supply, logistics tech still actually contributing,

466
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:32,680
Speaker 3: but most likely safe from legal issues. Tier four social

467
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:38,639
Speaker 3: media influencers, protesters, funders, press followers. Nobody is being asked

468
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 3: too much or taking any risks. Tier one status is

469
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Speaker 3: not something to take lightly. You will be sacrificing for

470
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:49,919
Speaker 3: your country and carrying a brunt of the weight. We

471
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,360
Speaker 3: will try to break them out of jail if we

472
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 3: need to.

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Speaker 4: Unquote, oh my god, dude, Oh.

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Speaker 3: This is kind of them at their larpist is like

475
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 3: when they're talking about like four different tiers of operators,

476
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 3: and it's like you and like at you know, at

477
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 3: the most, like nineteen of your Internet buddies. Yeah, and

478
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:11,640
Speaker 3: kind of at the least kind of you and your

479
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 3: five closest friends talking about how you want to like

480
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,200
Speaker 3: wage insurgent warfare against the government.

481
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Speaker 4: They're structuring their discord server.

482
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Speaker 3: Yes, you know, yes, that is that's what's happening, just

483
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 3: not on discord but on simple X and signal. But

484
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,719
Speaker 3: like a lot of people like know guys like this, right,

485
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 3: These are guys in their twenties to thirties who played

486
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 3: a lot of like tactical military video games, who have

487
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:36,200
Speaker 3: this sort of like military tactical fetishism, and they're looking

488
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 3: for like an outlet for this, combined with this anti

489
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 3: establishment sentiment that is based on very real things happening

490
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 3: out in the world, but it has nowhere to be directed.

491
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 3: So they just do this larp and eventually wind up

492
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Speaker 3: in federal custody and get charged with conspiracy to commit

493
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Speaker 3: murder on the White House grounds. Fulcrum Daniel Skritche of

494
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Speaker 3: Missouri wrote, quote so right now in the historical timeline,

495
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Speaker 3: I believe we are at the trigger event point, meaning

496
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Speaker 3: to set this off, we need an event or events

497
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Speaker 3: that cause people to realize the revolution has officially begun. Quote,

498
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Speaker 3: So this is what the group intended to do. They

499
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Speaker 3: intended to execute attacks that served as trigger events to

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Speaker 3: cause this sort of mass like upswell of support for

501
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Speaker 3: a second American Revolution. They didn't call it a civil war.

502
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 3: They called it a Second American Revolution. And that is

503
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Speaker 3: how they envisioned themselves as being the operators that will

504
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 3: do trigger events to put this all into motion. It's

505
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 3: kind of similar to like the Boogloo boy type stuff

506
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 3: from you know, five six years ago. This group allegedly

507
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 3: talked about attacking power grids with a fleet of drones

508
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 3: to hit specific transformers, and discussed assassinating several US senators,

509
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 3: House representatives, and prominent business executives. So this sort of

510
00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 3: target selection very similar to the Base and Adamoffen and like,

511
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Speaker 3: you know, neo Nazi accelerationist terrorism from around like the

512
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Speaker 3: you know, twenty sixteen to twenty twenty two type era.

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00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 3: The group did debate how they should choose assassination targets,

514
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Speaker 3: with Fulcrum writing quote, we need to make sure it's

515
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Speaker 3: someone that can't be easily turned into a right versus

516
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 3: left thing. We want someone both sides would celebrate, would

517
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Speaker 3: cheer and support us for taking out.

518
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Speaker 4: Both sides would celebrate us shooting up this one guy,

519
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 4: like this one guy's weird America birthday events, like what do?

520
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Speaker 2: What did I mean?

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Speaker 3: I think what they're pulling on from here is stuff

522
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 3: like the Luigi Mangioni incidents, right, and they're trying to

523
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 3: identify like and I find this prepared to be very

524
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Speaker 3: interesting because a lot of these guys do have this

525
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 3: sort of like like Christian nationalists or like Christian like libertarians.

526
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Speaker 3: It's kind of unclear, but they did definitely have this

527
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 3: like Christian element to their motivation. They see them themselves

528
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 3: as patriots, but they do not explicitly associate themselves with

529
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Speaker 3: like the right or the left. Right they see themselves

530
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 3: is kind of like outside politics. But I find this

531
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 3: aspect to be rather interesting. When they're trying to specifically

532
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 3: find targets that will allow for both people on the

533
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 3: right and left to like cheer them on or like

534
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 3: join in on like a second American revolution. This does

535
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 3: push them towards a talking a lot about like APAC

536
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 3: backed politicians and unnamed prominent business executives. Their names are

537
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Speaker 3: redacted in their criminal complaint, but I'm sure it's you know.

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00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 4: It's it's black rockets.

539
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 3: Well, it could be people like Jeff Bezos, like Elonnasket.

540
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 3: It doesn't It's not totally clear, but I'm assuming that's

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Speaker 3: the sort of range in which they're discussing folkrum texted quote.

542
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Speaker 3: So the goal here is to get at least three

543
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Speaker 3: trigger event ops fully planned and manned, and to the

544
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 3: best of our ability, to have them executed on the

545
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 3: same day or in rapid succession, so that our message

546
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 3: is undeniably clear to our illegitimate government and our fellow

547
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 3: Americans that we are waging war. We don't need to

548
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 3: wait for resistance, infrastructure, supply lines and all these other things.

549
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 3: That's what every other group in this movement is working on,

550
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:08,719
Speaker 3: and I'm sure one of them will be able to

551
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 3: get it right, but they can't do that without mass support,

552
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 3: and they won't get mass support as long as people

553
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 3: think all anyone is doing is holding signs and chanting.

554
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 3: All we need is three small groups of fully committed

555
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 3: operators with a fully fleshed out and perfectly formulated plaid

556
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 3: and all real world on the ground intel they will

557
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 3: need for each op to be successful. Once we've decided

558
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 3: on what three events would provide the most impact and

559
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 3: bring in the most support, we will create special chats

560
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 3: for those ops specifically so that only the people on

561
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 3: those ops know the details unquote, all of.

562
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 4: This planning just for one nineteen year old. I gotta

563
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 4: invite my mentally ill nineteen year old buddy into this

564
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 4: group chat so his mom can get really worried.

565
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Speaker 3: That's how a lot of this stuff goes. And like,

566
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 3: I don't want to I don't want to diminish the

567
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 3: possible harm that a group like this could cause. I

568
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 3: think something that Robert pointed out last week when discussing

569
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 3: this on executive disorders, Like this group could have easily

570
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 3: spawned like one or two like mass shooters.

571
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 9: Right.

572
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 3: Or they could have acted on a plan that was

573
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 3: way too difficult to pull off that caused a lot

574
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 3: of clateral damage. Right, this group could have done something

575
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 3: very bad. This group could have set a plan into

576
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 3: motion that ended up killing or wounding a bunch of people,

577
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 3: or driven people towards other sorts of violent acts. Right

578
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 3: because they're encouraging each other to buy weapons by kit,

579
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 3: you know, do all these things. Right, So there was

580
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 3: a potential for real harm. Here was the UFC freem

581
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 3: two fifty event ever in serious harm from these people.

582
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 3: Absolutely not. There was no way they were able to

583
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 3: pull off their plan, as we will soon discuss. But

584
00:33:50,600 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 3: first let's go on another ad break. Okay, we are back.

585
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 3: I have one more encrypted message from from fulcrum or

586
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:15,280
Speaker 3: Daniel Escritch of Missouri. Quote I can't speak for everyone

587
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 3: in saying we're tired of not making shit happen and

588
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 3: tired of being ruled over by treasonous, pedophilic, criminal politicians

589
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 3: and foreign agents unquote. The fulcrum wrote that what they're

590
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 3: doing is not only our birthright, but also our duty

591
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:34,400
Speaker 3: as Americans. It's about time the elites and the government

592
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 3: are reminded of why they should fear the people, especially

593
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 3: the American people. So Eskridge wrote that the American people

594
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 3: is the largest standing army in the world, with one

595
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 3: hundred and seven million gun owners. He also believed that

596
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 3: half of the military would join their cause and not

597
00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 3: follow quote unquote unlawful orders after the Second American Revolution

598
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 3: kicks off, and that following a successful trigger event operation,

599
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 3: potentially three percent of the US population would stand with

600
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 3: their group, writing that just like America's forefathers, quote, what

601
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,840
Speaker 3: we do here will reverberate around the world and echo

602
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 3: throughout history. Long Live the Republic unquote. Oh god, So

603
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 3: that's the most we know about the group formation and

604
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 3: the sort of drivers that they themselves are discussing. Let's

605
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 3: close by getting back into the UFC Freedom to fifty

606
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:37,879
Speaker 3: attack plan, because the more that I learned about this plan,

607
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 3: the more it became clear that this would just simply

608
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 3: never happen. This is not a feasible operation. It would

609
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 3: be hard for a special ops military team to pull

610
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,839
Speaker 3: us off at this location, let alone five of your

611
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:54,919
Speaker 3: TikTok friends to pull this off. And like the plan

612
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 3: to target Freedom to fifty really only kicked off a

613
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:00,799
Speaker 3: week before the event would schedule.

614
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 4: To take place, Well there's your issue, guys. If you

615
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 4: add a little maybe a month's heads up, you know,

616
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 4: maybe you could have gotten something going on.

617
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:15,320
Speaker 3: June seventh, Fulkrum messaged the Vanguard of the Old Republic

618
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 3: about using the White House UFC event to take out

619
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:23,360
Speaker 3: quote unquote high value targets. In his message, he mentioned

620
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 3: communication with quote unquote other groups and said that the

621
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 3: UFC attack would require cooperation from everyone and that they

622
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 3: would need to quote put a hold on the other

623
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 3: ops that we're currently being planned quote. We need five

624
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 3: teams of three, each team consisting of one sniper, one

625
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:45,240
Speaker 3: Tier one operator as support slash lookout, and one drone

626
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 3: operator unquote. As a part of the planning, they needed

627
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 3: to pick five locations ideal for quote precise sniper shots

628
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 3: and for the drone pilot to operate from. Fulkrum wrote, quote,

629
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 3: once each team is mission ready, the green light will

630
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 3: be given and the drone rigged with explosives will fly

631
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 3: and they will initiate the attack unquote. So after the

632
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 3: explosives detonate, the attention will be quote on the skies

633
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 3: and not the rooftop snipers, who will then eliminate quote

634
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 3: unquote high value targets.

635
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Speaker 4: Also, I feel like the skies and rooftop targets are

636
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 4: remarkably blacket. I'm feel like, if you're looking up, you

637
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 4: might see on the roof.

638
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 3: I don't know. No, even the idea that you can

639
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 3: get a sniper on a rooftop anywhere close to the

640
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,799
Speaker 3: White House without getting your head blown off is like insane, right,

641
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 3: There's there's just no way that's gonna happen. You're not

642
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,280
Speaker 3: gonna be able to get a sniper on a roof

643
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 3: within a sightline of the White House.

644
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 10: I mean.

645
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 3: Following the attempted assassination on Donald Trump in Butler, I

646
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,319
Speaker 3: can see why people might think it's easier to set

647
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 3: up a sniper than one might expect. The White House

648
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 3: is like the most defended place in the country like,

649
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 3: especially at an event like this where there's even more security.

650
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 3: I just don't see how this is in any way

651
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:13,400
Speaker 3: feasible now. The group believed that there would be a

652
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 3: protest outside of the event and that this would help

653
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 3: allow quote unquote extraction teams to evacuate the quote unquote

654
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 3: operators to a location out of state after successful completion

655
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Speaker 3: of mission objectives. H Fulkram wrote, quote, if we're successful,

656
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:34,760
Speaker 3: this could be the first battle of the Second American Revolution.

657
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 3: Who is willing to be able to drop everything and

658
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 3: be one of these ten operators? And who is confident

659
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 3: and capable of flying drones? June seventh, ten, twenty eight pm.

660
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 4: Nineteen year old, raise your aunt.

661
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:47,359
Speaker 3: They please come to bed.

662
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:53,320
Speaker 4: No, no, honey, I've been activated. I gotta go. I

663
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 4: got you know those friends have been hanging out in

664
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 4: the Woodsworth. I gotta go. They need me.

665
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 3: So even if this group god enough quote unquote operators

666
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:04,319
Speaker 3: to pull out this mission, which is highly questionable, if

667
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 3: not impossible, they simply did not have the funds, the materials,

668
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 3: or the resources to carry out an attack like this,

669
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 3: let alone the skill or logistical capacity. Folkrum text of

670
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 3: the group quote, we also need to come up with

671
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 3: one thousand and three hundred dollars as ap.

672
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 2: We need to.

673
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 4: Come up with one thousand, three hundred dollars. You can't

674
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 4: just pull it. What this guy has three kids and

675
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 4: a wife and he can't pull five kids and he

676
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:30,879
Speaker 4: can't pull like.

677
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:32,799
Speaker 9: We have.

678
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 4: Oh, true, true, Yeah, but you're gonna you're gonna die,

679
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:39,359
Speaker 4: Like he's gonna he knows he's going to die. He's

680
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 4: LARPing like he's gonna get out, but he knows he's

681
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:43,799
Speaker 4: gonna die, and he can't be like I will go

682
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 4: and I'll sell some bullshit and I'll get like one thousand,

683
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:48,799
Speaker 4: three hundred dollars.

684
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 3: We got a fund, a credit card, Yeah, anyone have

685
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 3: a credit card? Quote, thirteen hundred dollars gets us the

686
00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:00,040
Speaker 3: drones and the charges. We should all pitch in and

687
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 3: we need it to a sap.

688
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:05,360
Speaker 4: What kind of drones are they getting? Like is this Amazon?

689
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 4: Like you look up drone on there. What I'm just

690
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:12,760
Speaker 4: picturing like the drones that you see getting flown around

691
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 4: like at the park by a family that just want it,

692
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 4: just carrying a grenade exactly. Yeah.

693
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 3: Thomas of California replied, quote, I'm flat broke I can

694
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 3: pay in manpower, though, I bet you could come up

695
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 3: with one hundred dollars in a week somehow. Maybe just

696
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 3: hold a sign by the freeway saying, quote fund the

697
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 3: freedom fighters.

698
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 4: Oh my god, that's awesome.

699
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 3: Dude, so unable to pay for bombs. The group talked

700
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:51,839
Speaker 3: about trying to build drones and discussed breaking into military

701
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 3: facilities to steal the explosives needed for their attack plan.

702
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:02,400
Speaker 4: Does an'ty of us know how to build this? Oh shit,

703
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 4: we might have to redo the whole up. Oh or

704
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:09,360
Speaker 4: or we can break into some of the most protected

705
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 4: facilities in America. I think that might be the that

706
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 4: might be the better choice.

707
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 3: To be fair, some of those military facilities are not

708
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:16,359
Speaker 3: as protected than what you might think.

709
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:16,959
Speaker 4: That's fair.

710
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 3: The criminal complaints reads quote. A number of the group

711
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 3: stated he knew how to build drones connected via fiber

712
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 3: optic cable and capable of carrying explosive charges, but did

713
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 3: not have access to the materials needed for explosive charges.

714
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 3: That number suggested that they quote may need to hit

715
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:40,880
Speaker 3: a military industrial complex facility for the things we need unquote.

716
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 3: Fulcrum or s Gridge responded ten four. I'm lucky to

717
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 3: sound to this.

718
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 4: Awesome. What you're texting people ten to four? What are

719
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 4: you doing? What are we doing?

720
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 3: The complaint alleges that the group continue to discuss the

721
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 3: quote benefits and the detriments of obtaining a quote unquote

722
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 3: cook for explosive charges versus stealing military ordinance from a

723
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 3: manufacturing plant unquote. They were looking at a few locations

724
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:14,280
Speaker 3: in Kansas and zeroed in on the Kansas Army Ammunition plant,

725
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 3: though they never actually stole exclusives from this plant, but

726
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 3: they sure to talk about it and their conversations are

727
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 3: in the charging documents.

728
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 11: Awesome.

729
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:28,720
Speaker 3: So again, this is all happening days before this attack

730
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:30,840
Speaker 3: is supposed to kick off, and a part of the

731
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 3: plan is for a day or two before UFC freedom

732
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 3: to fifty, the group was to meet up in Fredericksburg,

733
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 3: Virginia to like go over plans again in person and

734
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 3: like practice and prepare. So they needed to get guys

735
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 3: in Fredericksburg around the twelfth or the thirteenth. One of

736
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:52,399
Speaker 3: the members who was interviewed by the FBI confirmed that

737
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 3: the group was communicating online but attacking the event, but

738
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 3: claimed that the attack plan was canceled on June twelfth,

739
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:02,399
Speaker 3: and of course Tyson Proper was placed in the mental

740
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 3: health facility on June tenth, so somewhere between June tenth

741
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:11,359
Speaker 3: and June twelfth the group called off their plans. It

742
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 3: is notable, however, that at least one of the co

743
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:20,439
Speaker 3: conspirators did attempt to drive to Washington, d C. When

744
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,879
Speaker 3: Brian Raw was interviewed by the FBI, he admitted that

745
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 3: he'd tried to drive to Washington, d C. To protest

746
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 3: UFC Freedom two fifty, but denied any involvement in this conspiracy,

747
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 3: and he told the FBI that his vehicle malfunctioned and

748
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 3: had to return home. One of the most interesting parts

749
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 3: in the criminal complaint is this FBI agent writing about

750
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:48,800
Speaker 3: how when he was interviewing Raw, Rao discussed how someone

751
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 3: could hypothetically use drone's arm with explosives to bomb buildings

752
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 3: near the White House, which would cause them ass panic

753
00:43:56,239 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 3: with limited debts at UFC Freedom tow fifty, and mentioned

754
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 3: this as an example of how to use drones to

755
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 3: enact political change in a more targeted way rather than

756
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 3: indiscriminate killing. The FBI agent wrote quote, based on this exchange,

757
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:13,279
Speaker 3: I believe Rao was privy to the operational details of

758
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 3: the plan. Unquote, So Brian Rawb just like talked about

759
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 3: the plan just like as a hypothetical to an FBI

760
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 3: agent while the FBI was searching his vehicle after admitting

761
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:27,320
Speaker 3: he tried to drive to DC to protest the event

762
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 3: but was not involved in any criminal conspiracy.

763
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 4: It's like being you know, you just got caught. Your

764
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 4: spouse has found all of your your secret messages or

765
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 4: whatever to your your grinder lover, and while they're going

766
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:41,320
Speaker 4: through your phone, you're like, I mean, what if somebody

767
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 4: was hypothetically gonna do that, Like if I you know,

768
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:46,319
Speaker 4: it wouldn't be that bad because with a it's with

769
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 4: a man and not a woman. So it's like we

770
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 4: love each other completely different ways. But that's just like me,

771
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 4: you know, that's not real. That's not like, it's not

772
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 4: it wouldn't be anything real. Just like hypothetically, you'd be

773
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 4: cool with that, right, you'd.

774
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 11: Be cool with that.

775
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:05,319
Speaker 3: The FBI was not cool with that, especially considering that

776
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:08,840
Speaker 3: when executing a federal search warrant of Row's vehicle and home,

777
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:13,280
Speaker 3: they seized an Air fifteen style rifle, a Glock nineteen handgun,

778
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 3: a tactical belt, an ammocan full of bullets, a two

779
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:20,360
Speaker 3: way radio, an infrared laser target pointer, and a rifle magazine.

780
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 3: Brian Row's family members told law enforcement that Rau had

781
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 3: alluded to traveling to d C, and, according to the

782
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 3: California Criminal Complaint, Rao told his family that quote, one

783
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 3: day they would wake up and he would be gone,

784
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 3: and that he intended to travel to Washington, d C.

785
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 3: Where quote unquote something big would happen. Similar to Proper's family,

786
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 3: Brian Row's family suspected that he may be intending to

787
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 3: commit an act of violence based on a quote increased

788
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 3: time spent shooting weapons, and a noticeable change in behavior,

789
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 3: including increased anxiety, irritation, and seclusion unquote dad.

790
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 4: Spreading a lot of time in the shed with a

791
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 4: gun in his mouth.

792
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:09,240
Speaker 3: Family also told law enforcement that Rao had been spending

793
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 3: a lot of time online with a new group of friends,

794
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 3: with his family also telling law enforcement that they considered

795
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 3: reporting him to the police after he left on his

796
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 3: way to DC, but did not because he returned home

797
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 3: so quickly. Rao told the FBI he had vehicle trouble.

798
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 3: On June thirteenth, law enforcement officials executed a federal search

799
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 3: warrant of Daniel Eskridge or Fulkrum's residents, and agents seized rifles,

800
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 3: a shotgun, pistol, and other tactical gear that matched Photoseskridge

801
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:45,399
Speaker 3: posted online. That same day, FBI searched the home of

802
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 3: Michael Thomas in California, where they seized a hunting rifle

803
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 3: and air fifteen style rifle, thirty round extended magazines with

804
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 3: approximately one hundred and eighty rounds of ammunition, as well

805
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:59,840
Speaker 3: as a pistol. While Michael Thomas was being interviewed to

806
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:02,799
Speaker 3: quote the criminal complaint quote, he stated that he saw

807
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 3: himself as the planner and adviser for the group, and

808
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 3: while he was not willing to take action himself, wanted

809
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 3: to guide and instruct to others on how to carry

810
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 3: out attacks. Thomas expressed frustration that some members of the

811
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 3: group seemed noncommittal and these excuses as to why they

812
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:20,759
Speaker 3: could not take action. Thomas said that the aim of

813
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 3: this and subsequent attacks was to create enough chaos to

814
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 3: bring about the overthrow of the US government, which he

815
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 3: believed was being quote run by an elite group of

816
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 3: individuals who sacrifice and consume infants who are also deeply

817
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 3: involved with Jeffrey Epstein and are now protected by President

818
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:38,360
Speaker 3: Donald Trump. Thomas places some of the responsibility of his

819
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 3: corruption of the US government with Jewish people and blames

820
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 3: them and Israel for the current war with Iran unquote. So, yeah,

821
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 3: that is what did not happen at UFC Freedom two fifty.

822
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:54,919
Speaker 4: Nothing will ever happen now.

823
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 3: Jd Vance did go back on Fox News Tuesday night

824
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 3: on Fox News as the five and said, quote, it

825
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 3: turns out the plot was like not that advanced. They

826
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:09,399
Speaker 3: weren't in town, They had not really done that much

827
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 3: planning unquote, So slightly backtracking his previous assertions.

828
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:18,399
Speaker 4: We've gotta find who's funding these guys, these guys who

829
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:22,279
Speaker 4: can't pull out one thousand, three hundred bucks from like

830
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:27,319
Speaker 4: between the between five people. Yeah, like what is going on? Like, No,

831
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:29,759
Speaker 4: I didn't. Wasn't it like nineteen or something? In this

832
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 4: signal nineteen.

833
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 3: In the biggest signal chat related to the group, there's

834
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:36,360
Speaker 3: there was nineteen people. So far only high have been arrested.

835
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:39,400
Speaker 3: More have been interviewed, right, because the FBI mentioned interviewing

836
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:41,239
Speaker 3: someone in West Virginia who said who said that the

837
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:44,360
Speaker 3: attack plan was canceled as of recording. This guy's not

838
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:46,359
Speaker 3: been arrested in charge. We don't know his name, so

839
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 3: that they definitely, they definitely are talking with other people

840
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:50,880
Speaker 3: related to this, like network.

841
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 4: Well they know he was a Tier four operator. He

842
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 4: wasn't the wall can't touch him, you know.

843
00:48:56,600 --> 00:49:00,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, famously how conspiracy charges were Yeah. Yeah. The last

844
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:02,799
Speaker 3: thing I want to mention is the fifth guy that

845
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:05,440
Speaker 3: was arrested, right, because there was five people arrested initially,

846
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 3: and that is Abraham Alverrez. He was known as quote

847
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:10,360
Speaker 3: unquote Shepherd.

848
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:13,759
Speaker 4: Online Call of Duty of Course Classic.

849
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 3: And the DOJ claims that he was responsible for planning, organizing,

850
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 3: and directing the planned attack. Alveraz allegedly picked out the

851
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 3: drone launch points and sniper locations and claimed to have

852
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:27,919
Speaker 3: one drone and was trying to get others. He also

853
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 3: selected a safe zone meet up location in Nebraska for

854
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 3: after the attack. Alverraz also claimed to be quote unquote

855
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:40,360
Speaker 3: cooking explosives, but court documents never specify that drones or

856
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 3: explosives were seized during any of the searches, so we

857
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:47,800
Speaker 3: don't know if he actually had a drone or actually

858
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 3: had explosives. It seems unlikely because of the whole plan

859
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 3: if needing to steal explosives from this military facility in Kansas,

860
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 3: But he may have been trying to make explosives, but

861
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 3: at this point it's kind of unclear.

862
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 1: Now.

863
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 3: Before any of the details of any of the alleged

864
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 3: attackers was released, a Fox News contributor said that considering

865
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 3: President Biden let in quote unquote millions of unvetted people

866
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 3: into the country, quote, it would be a very dangerous

867
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 3: delusion to believe that these terrorist organizations and countries did

868
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 3: not use that open border to bring people inside unquote.

869
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:25,800
Speaker 3: And as we've already discussed, this was not the operation

870
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:29,720
Speaker 3: of a foreign terrorist organization or people that were brought

871
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 3: into the country. These are Americans. These are American patriots

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Speaker 3: self ascribed. But on Thursday, June eighteenth, the DHS announced

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Speaker 3: quote alleged ringleader of UFC terrorist plot is a Mexican

874
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Speaker 3: illegal alien unquote, with Acting Assistant Secretary of Lauren Biss writing,

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Speaker 3: this illegal alien from Mexico should have never been allowed

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Speaker 3: in our country. He was the ringleader of a failed

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Speaker 3: terror attack targeting UFC Freedom to fifty at the White House.

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Speaker 3: The current league status of Abraham Alverez is kind of unclear,

879
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:07,880
Speaker 3: but he was not brought into the country under Biden's

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Speaker 3: open borders. He entered the country as a child on

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Speaker 3: a B two visitor visa that expired in December of

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty one. He's been in this country nearly his

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Speaker 3: whole life, and under Obama, he was granted Deferred Action

884
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Speaker 3: for Childhood Arrivals or DACA in twenty fourteen, suspending possible deportation.

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Speaker 3: So while it looks like he currently may not have

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Speaker 3: legal status, this was not an illegal alien who snuck

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Speaker 3: across the border from Mexico. This guy was brought to

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00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:39,840
Speaker 3: the United States as a child and has lived here

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Speaker 3: for over twenty five years, over twenty seven years, so

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Speaker 3: I do think that is worth noting. But I'm sure

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00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 3: going forward the Trump administration will be running with this

892
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:54,720
Speaker 3: idea that this illegal alien from Mexico planned the UFC

893
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Speaker 3: Freedom to fifty terrorist attack, and the actual context of

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00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:02,400
Speaker 3: how Alvarez entered the country is important, not that it

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00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:05,920
Speaker 3: will matter to Fox News or the Trump administration, but

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Speaker 3: I do think it is worth specifying. And of course,

897
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Speaker 3: there was upwards of nineteen other people involved in this

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Speaker 3: and the four others that I've spent most of the

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Speaker 3: episode talking about. Are all US born citizens anyway? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: that's what That's what did not happen at USC Freedom

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Speaker 3: to fifty.

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Speaker 4: And let things I suppose continue to.

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Speaker 3: Continue open it could. It could not happen here.

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Speaker 4: It will continue not happening.

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Speaker 3: So Bailey, new poster. Where can people find you online?

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Speaker 4: Oh god, I'm on a Blue Sky as new poster two.

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Speaker 3: Very smart pick.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I'm also on the other app x as new

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Speaker 4: poster two, but I'm.

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Speaker 3: Not very much very woke of you.

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00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 4: I'm also on Instagram as postolytical blaying because that account

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Speaker 4: has not been a suspended three different times. And then

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Speaker 4: on Twitch as I think on Twitch's new poster two

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Speaker 4: as well.

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Speaker 3: So excellent.

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Speaker 4: There's four little options for you.

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Speaker 3: Yes, good luck in your streaming endeavors. Oh god, all right,

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Speaker 3: that doesn't cross here. What could happen here? See you

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Speaker 3: on the other side?

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Speaker 2: All right, hey, everybody, Robert Evans here and this is

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Speaker 2: it could happen here. I wanted to talk today a

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Speaker 2: little bit about Belfast and about what happened there earlier

923
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:37,440
Speaker 2: this month, the racist riots, in which mobs of bigots

924
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:40,440
Speaker 2: ran through the city, forcing people out of their homes

925
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Speaker 2: for not being white, destroying businesses, terrorizing people. It was

926
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Speaker 2: horrific and if you spent any time watching live streams

927
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Speaker 2: or videos or just the coverage, I'm sure you felt

928
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Speaker 2: as frightened, both for those people directly and just for

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Speaker 2: the future. As many of us, and in the week

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Speaker 2: of something like that, it can often be hard to

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Speaker 2: know what to do and what would I do if

932
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Speaker 2: this was happening in my community, right, like, what is

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Speaker 2: the proper response, especially if there isn't you know, an

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Speaker 2: immediate response in the moment that meets, you know, the

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00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:13,919
Speaker 2: rage of one of these nights and actually is able

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Speaker 2: to stop it. You know, if these bigots are able

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Speaker 2: to go through and attack and harm people, how do

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Speaker 2: you both respond to that and help the people who

939
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:26,719
Speaker 2: have been hurt? And how do you deal with the

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Speaker 2: fact that that could be a very dangerous situation, you know,

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Speaker 2: especially if you've still got these mobs of people out

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00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 2: there who are willing to hurt the folks that you're

943
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Speaker 2: trying to protect and anyone potentially trying to protect them. Well,

944
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 2: obviously the people who live in Belfast are dealing with

945
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:42,560
Speaker 2: that problem immediately, and so The best place to go

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Speaker 2: if I've wanted to know what that was like was

947
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Speaker 2: to someone who's been living through it, And fortunately I

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Speaker 2: found the posts on Blue Sky of Lee Hurley. He's

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Speaker 2: a Belfast based writer. He's the owner of Daily Canon

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Speaker 2: dot com. Lee also runs the Transagenda, which records and

951
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Speaker 2: documents anti trans media coverage in UK papers. You can

952
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Speaker 2: subscribe at Transagenda dot info. I reached out to Lee

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Speaker 2: after seeing some posts that Lee had made about what

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Speaker 2: he had witnessed in terms of the local response to

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Speaker 2: people trying to organize to help folks who had been

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Speaker 2: attacked and brutalized. And Lee wrote an essay for us

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Speaker 2: and read it and thankful it was good enough to

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Speaker 2: do both of those things. So this is some direct,

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Speaker 2: firsthand reporting both on what it was like to live

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Speaker 2: in Belfast while that was going on and what it's

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Speaker 2: been like to watch the community spring into action to

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Speaker 2: try and make right some of the wrongs that were done. So,

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Speaker 2: without further ado, here's Lee.

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Speaker 1: Last week Belfast hit the headlines worldwide and usual Belfast fashion,

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Speaker 1: it wasn't for anything good On Monday. It's a June

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty six. A man was attacked and styled in

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Speaker 1: North Belfast by a refugee. It was a vicious attack

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Speaker 1: caught on camera that resulted in the victim losing an

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Speaker 1: eye and being placed in gematically induced coma. At the

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Speaker 1: time of recording, the victim remains in hospital. The next

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Speaker 1: day the city exploded, rats took place across Belfast, fires

972
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 1: raged and people were forced to flee from their homes. Today,

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Speaker 1: I want to talk to you about what happened, what

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00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:15,880
Speaker 1: really happened, Not the attack and not the rats themselves,

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Speaker 1: but what went on in the ours and the days

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Speaker 1: after that, beyond the brick throwing and the burning and

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00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:24,480
Speaker 1: the fear. Because something good did happen, and I think

978
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:27,160
Speaker 1: it's important that the word knows about that. You need

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00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:29,600
Speaker 1: to know that Belfast isn't all bad. It isn't what

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00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:32,320
Speaker 1: you saw on the TV. But while the horror happened

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00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:35,320
Speaker 1: on the streets, the rest of the city said enough,

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00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:39,480
Speaker 1: we mobilized. This is the story of the real community

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00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:43,920
Speaker 1: of Belfast. Belfast is a beautiful city, rich in culture, history,

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00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 1: world renowned for its food and if you would believe it,

985
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:51,040
Speaker 1: it's welcome in nature. Ask anyone who's visited for recommendations

986
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 1: about what to do in the city, and you'd like

987
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:56,040
Speaker 1: to hear them real about the Titanic Museum, a Game

988
00:56:56,080 --> 00:56:59,920
Speaker 1: of Thrones tour, or the stunning architecture. They'll tell you

989
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:03,160
Speaker 1: hang nice, everybody they met was. You'll be told about

990
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:05,839
Speaker 1: some wonderful restaurant they visited in the amazing trad music

991
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:09,439
Speaker 1: session they stumbled upon its quin Backstreet pub. They'll tell

992
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:12,000
Speaker 1: you they want to go back. One of our most

993
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:14,920
Speaker 1: popular tourist activities is a tour of the key sites

994
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:18,360
Speaker 1: that plad Key rules in our Civil war. Taxi drivers

995
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 1: will take you to the places where blood was shed,

996
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 1: bombs exploded, and those left behind still visit the morning.

997
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:27,480
Speaker 1: The tours aren't even that expensive. Here in Belfast. We've

998
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:29,360
Speaker 1: made a small industry out of the darkest parts of

999
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:33,600
Speaker 1: our country's history, the Troubles. Although the days of bombs

1000
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:35,840
Speaker 1: and murders and army controlled streets are spoken off in

1001
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:39,440
Speaker 1: past tense by those tour guides, the beliefs, culture, and

1002
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:42,600
Speaker 1: division that fueled the fighting are still just as strongly

1003
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 1: held in many communities throughout the city as they were

1004
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 1: on the day that peace agreement was signed nearly thirty

1005
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:51,400
Speaker 1: years ago. Bilfast is a beautiful city, but it's a

1006
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:54,960
Speaker 1: city that requires context to be fully understood and somewhere

1007
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 1: argued fully appreciated. Like almost all wars, the troubles centered

1008
00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:03,720
Speaker 1: our identity and access to resources on one side, the

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00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:06,720
Speaker 1: niceness or Catholics who identify with in which the country

1010
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 1: to be united Ireland on the other Royalists or Protestants

1011
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:12,360
Speaker 1: who want no n Iron to remain part of the UK.

1012
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:16,000
Speaker 1: Division goes deeper than that, and it is much more complicated,

1013
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:18,640
Speaker 1: but it's a bit like the left right divide of

1014
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:22,160
Speaker 1: Democrats and Republicans in the US. Knowing what side someone

1015
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:24,920
Speaker 1: falls on can usually tell you a lot about their

1016
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:30,240
Speaker 1: other beliefs and morals. Even international politics gets devavid up

1017
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:32,920
Speaker 1: here to one side of the other loyal support Israel

1018
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:36,400
Speaker 1: nicely support Palestine. Of course, it's not that simple. Not

1019
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:38,800
Speaker 1: all Protestants and Catholics hold the same viewpoints. But for

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00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 1: the safe of brevity, I'm generalizing, and this is of

1021
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:44,800
Speaker 1: course a very short and brief explanation of what is

1022
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:47,800
Speaker 1: actually a very complex history that spans hundreds of years.

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00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:50,040
Speaker 1: We simply don't have the time to when they are

1024
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:52,200
Speaker 1: all with any more depth than that. It's not the

1025
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:56,040
Speaker 1: focus of this podcast anyway, but even that oversimplified summary

1026
00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:58,880
Speaker 1: should help you see the contextual ends through its Belfast

1027
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:02,560
Speaker 1: and what happened must be viewed. And it is within

1028
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:06,200
Speaker 1: this context where tribalism and nationality and identity are so

1029
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 1: important that whole houseness states advertised theirs by painting their

1030
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:12,440
Speaker 1: curbstones in the colors of the British or Irish flag

1031
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:16,240
Speaker 1: John mural celebrating both murderers and the murder that alike

1032
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:18,760
Speaker 1: are painted on the sides of houses or hered for

1033
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:22,320
Speaker 1: the other continues and were resources are fiercely protected and

1034
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:26,240
Speaker 1: fought over that this story takes place. Tension has been

1035
00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:28,680
Speaker 1: bubbling up about migration for the last several years in

1036
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:32,000
Speaker 1: Northern Ireland and elsewhere. Just last summer we saw rats

1037
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:34,800
Speaker 1: in nearby Ballomina and in Belfast after an a led

1038
00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:38,160
Speaker 1: sexual assault took place, with the accused perpetrators being two

1039
00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:41,800
Speaker 1: teenage boys from Romania. Houses and businesses were smashed up

1040
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:44,960
Speaker 1: and burnt. If the riters believed with any connection whatsoever

1041
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:47,680
Speaker 1: to an immigrant, no matter where in the world they

1042
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:51,440
Speaker 1: hails from. I remember driving through Botanic, a vibrant multicultural

1043
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:53,800
Speaker 1: area of Belfast. We give a few minutes away from

1044
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:57,000
Speaker 1: and seeing business after business destroyed the Hooker bar the

1045
00:59:57,040 --> 01:00:01,520
Speaker 1: International supermarket cafes. Several months later, the charges against those

1046
01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:06,000
Speaker 1: two teenage bones were quietly dropped due to significant evidential developments.

1047
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:09,920
Speaker 1: Like everything else here, attitudes to immigration and race in

1048
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:13,160
Speaker 1: general has a pretty clear split between our two main communities.

1049
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:16,680
Speaker 1: Throughout loyalist areas, you will find graffiti and science stable.

1050
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:20,840
Speaker 1: Don't the lamp posts. Foreigners not welcome here, no Muslims allowed,

1051
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:24,560
Speaker 1: Stop the boats. A lot of the time these vitriolic

1052
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:28,120
Speaker 1: messages aren't even spelled correctly. Education is just one of

1053
01:00:28,120 --> 01:00:30,760
Speaker 1: the many areas neglected here that nobody have our riots over.

1054
01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:33,120
Speaker 1: That's not to say there's no such thing as a

1055
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:36,600
Speaker 1: racist nationalist. There are assholes everywhere. Belfout is of course

1056
01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:40,280
Speaker 1: no different on that front. When this most recent horrific

1057
01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:44,120
Speaker 1: attactic place in a city where immigrants legal refugee asylum

1058
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:47,200
Speaker 1: doesn't actually matter in fact, because you don't have to

1059
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:49,880
Speaker 1: be a migrant to be targeted. You just have to

1060
01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:54,200
Speaker 1: be non white, whether already treated escape boats for every

1061
01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:57,280
Speaker 1: problem where racist riots have become something of a summer tradition.

1062
01:00:57,640 --> 01:01:00,720
Speaker 1: Everyone knew what was coming with their and Our social

1063
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:03,280
Speaker 1: media was full of AI generated the posters telling people

1064
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:06,800
Speaker 1: to take to the streets to protest immigrants. When they

1065
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:10,520
Speaker 1: said protest, we all knew they meant riot, and so

1066
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:14,240
Speaker 1: the city shut dying for three days. Shops, schools, community centers,

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01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:17,800
Speaker 1: swimming pools, public transport and businesses were held hostage duraicism.

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01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:20,640
Speaker 1: Some places opened for a few hours in the mornings

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01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:23,680
Speaker 1: before having to close again. The buses were running, the

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01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:26,919
Speaker 1: buses were off. Half the city worked from home. Fake

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01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:30,120
Speaker 1: protest posters popped up on social media. Everyday life and

1072
01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:33,280
Speaker 1: routine was thrown into disarranged chaos. But it was when

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01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:36,360
Speaker 1: the sun went dying that the actual horror happened. From

1074
01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:39,040
Speaker 1: the comfort of our homes. With the blinds dying, many

1075
01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:42,040
Speaker 1: of us sat scarred, scrolling social media trying to find

1076
01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:46,480
Speaker 1: out what was happening via helicopter footed streamed live on YouTube.

1077
01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:49,280
Speaker 1: We watched our city get destroyed. We texted each other

1078
01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:51,640
Speaker 1: and made phone calls, and even shit posted online trying

1079
01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:56,120
Speaker 1: to find some revity or light in the situation. For others,

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01:01:56,160 --> 01:01:59,040
Speaker 1: those days changed their lives forever. They watched the cars

1081
01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:01,760
Speaker 1: get burnt out along with the metal and the tarres tomorrow,

1082
01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:05,040
Speaker 1: school on and transport went up in smoke, sam from

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01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:06,760
Speaker 1: the last time they tripped to the beach, still in

1084
01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:10,680
Speaker 1: the foot wells, a favorite cardigan left in the passenger seat, gone,

1085
01:02:11,240 --> 01:02:15,680
Speaker 1: all of it gone. Whole homes gone, whether physically said

1086
01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:18,240
Speaker 1: on fire or threatened through the letter boxes, or driven

1087
01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:20,040
Speaker 1: out by a fear. Many of us will never have

1088
01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:22,560
Speaker 1: to know the true number of people who fled their

1089
01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:24,920
Speaker 1: homes since the Eighth of Durne. It is hard to gauge.

1090
01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:27,800
Speaker 1: Some have gone to stay with relatives or friends across

1091
01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:30,920
Speaker 1: the city. Some have moved to completely new places, wearing

1092
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:33,960
Speaker 1: the thing safe enough to try again. Many have left

1093
01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:36,640
Speaker 1: the country altogether. And who can blame them? That is

1094
01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:40,320
Speaker 1: our loss? They say. In times of trouble, look for

1095
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:42,919
Speaker 1: the helpers. But here in Belfast you wouldn't have seen

1096
01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:45,520
Speaker 1: too many at first glance. That's for the same reason

1097
01:02:45,560 --> 01:02:47,240
Speaker 1: you didn't see people rise up and take on the

1098
01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:51,400
Speaker 1: raiders face to face. Fear, fear of personal reprisal from

1099
01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:54,960
Speaker 1: the loyalist para military organizations, fear of alerting the riders

1100
01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:57,200
Speaker 1: and making the situation even worse for those you're trying

1101
01:02:57,240 --> 01:03:01,880
Speaker 1: to help. Fear is endemic here, but there were helpers,

1102
01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:05,640
Speaker 1: hundreds in fact, but our helpers moved quietly and in

1103
01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:09,280
Speaker 1: the shadows, without fuss. File fire people across spellfasts began

1104
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:13,120
Speaker 1: taking action almost immediately, as everyday life began. They return

1105
01:03:13,160 --> 01:03:16,640
Speaker 1: to normal, and schools and shops cautiously reopened. Strangers became

1106
01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:20,080
Speaker 1: small heroes, Families removed from their homes and their darkness,

1107
01:03:20,080 --> 01:03:23,240
Speaker 1: and children taken to and from school. The elderly and

1108
01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:26,840
Speaker 1: second pregnant accompanied the hospital and doctor appointments in church

1109
01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:30,920
Speaker 1: halls and community centers. Supermarket sized foodbanks sprung up from nothing.

1110
01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:34,200
Speaker 1: Money was raised from all over the world. Where there

1111
01:03:34,200 --> 01:03:37,439
Speaker 1: was need, somebody met it. Then they returned and asked

1112
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:40,120
Speaker 1: who they could help next. In those moments, the real

1113
01:03:40,200 --> 01:03:54,520
Speaker 1: Belfast was seen. On Thursday afternoon, forty eight hours after

1114
01:03:54,560 --> 01:03:57,880
Speaker 1: they all started. My fiance arrived home from work. Let's

1115
01:03:57,880 --> 01:04:00,640
Speaker 1: call her l I couldn't sit and do a thing anymore.

1116
01:04:00,680 --> 01:04:03,720
Speaker 1: So here's what this happening. And she said she'd already

1117
01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:06,280
Speaker 1: contacted the church and arranged use of their hall. She

1118
01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:08,720
Speaker 1: contacted people she knew through her community work to get

1119
01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:11,360
Speaker 1: word out. I posted about it on Blue Sky, not

1120
01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:14,040
Speaker 1: mentioning anything about where it would be located out affairs

1121
01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:17,120
Speaker 1: would be targeted, and someone asked if there was a fundraiser.

1122
01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:21,480
Speaker 1: There wasn't. There hadn't been anything just a few hours ago.

1123
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:23,840
Speaker 1: Not thinking it would get much attention, I threw up

1124
01:04:23,840 --> 01:04:25,640
Speaker 1: a link to my PayPal and said I'd passed the

1125
01:04:25,640 --> 01:04:28,720
Speaker 1: money on if anyone wanted to do it. Thousands came

1126
01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:31,960
Speaker 1: flooding in from all over the world, particularly from Minnesota.

1127
01:04:32,680 --> 01:04:34,320
Speaker 1: Salary came when we were up at six am. They

1128
01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:36,680
Speaker 1: hit the wholesalers. Havn't wrokeed in another friend to help

1129
01:04:36,680 --> 01:04:38,800
Speaker 1: with her car. By nine am we were at the

1130
01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:41,360
Speaker 1: church with two car, rules of food and essentials, not

1131
01:04:41,480 --> 01:04:43,040
Speaker 1: knowing if it would just been the three of us

1132
01:04:43,040 --> 01:04:45,560
Speaker 1: standing there all day with a lot of food. None

1133
01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:47,960
Speaker 1: of us had ever done this before, although well has

1134
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:50,920
Speaker 1: experienced working with immigrants and asylum seekers in other areas.

1135
01:04:51,640 --> 01:04:54,120
Speaker 1: We couldn't have been more wrong. Through the networks l

1136
01:04:54,160 --> 01:04:57,040
Speaker 1: had formed over the previous forty eight hours, an organization

1137
01:04:57,120 --> 01:05:00,560
Speaker 1: started sending as addresses of people who needed food. Volunteers

1138
01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:03,800
Speaker 1: kept arriving, people flewed in with donations of food and

1139
01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:07,160
Speaker 1: money and essentials. By the afternoon, people were dropping stuff in,

1140
01:05:07,440 --> 01:05:10,000
Speaker 1: taking photos of our board that showed items we were

1141
01:05:10,080 --> 01:05:13,040
Speaker 1: lowing and then going shopping to get those items. Specifically,

1142
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:16,440
Speaker 1: hundreds of food parcels were packed up. Need one for

1143
01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:18,439
Speaker 1: a family of five went to call across the hall

1144
01:05:18,520 --> 01:05:20,640
Speaker 1: as he Elk coordinated everything that needed to go out.

1145
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:23,280
Speaker 1: What ages of the children do they need nappies? Came

1146
01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:26,480
Speaker 1: or reply? Without fail, everybody just pitched in with whatever

1147
01:05:26,560 --> 01:05:29,440
Speaker 1: was needed to be done. Others dealt with people who

1148
01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:31,960
Speaker 1: came in themselves and needed help. Drivers sent from other

1149
01:05:31,960 --> 01:05:35,000
Speaker 1: small charities arrived to collect parcels for people they were helping.

1150
01:05:35,560 --> 01:05:38,040
Speaker 1: I found myself managing the stock run into the shop

1151
01:05:38,040 --> 01:05:40,600
Speaker 1: and the wholesaler's time and time again to fill up

1152
01:05:40,600 --> 01:05:43,240
Speaker 1: the items we couldn't keep up with basics like all

1153
01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:47,600
Speaker 1: the sugar floor or rice, pasta, soap, sanitary products, nappies.

1154
01:05:48,160 --> 01:05:50,960
Speaker 1: The list was endless, as was the number of people

1155
01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:54,520
Speaker 1: we were trying to help. For three days, people who

1156
01:05:54,520 --> 01:05:57,520
Speaker 1: had never met before stood side by side sorting food parcels.

1157
01:05:58,160 --> 01:06:01,400
Speaker 1: Strangers took strangers into their car into their homes. Is

1158
01:06:01,400 --> 01:06:03,920
Speaker 1: this definitely lal was definitely googled by a lot of

1159
01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:06,840
Speaker 1: white people. I've lost kind of the amount of people

1160
01:06:06,920 --> 01:06:08,880
Speaker 1: I've met over the last week, but I know it's

1161
01:06:08,920 --> 01:06:10,960
Speaker 1: more than I would usually meet in the year. To

1162
01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:13,480
Speaker 1: be fur I'm not actually that social, but it was

1163
01:06:13,480 --> 01:06:15,640
Speaker 1: still a lot of people. I don't think I got

1164
01:06:15,720 --> 01:06:18,000
Speaker 1: the names of half of the ones I worked alongside

1165
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:20,320
Speaker 1: in that pop up food bank that my partner seemed

1166
01:06:20,320 --> 01:06:22,959
Speaker 1: a magic goredath thin r using the relationships she'd built

1167
01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:25,919
Speaker 1: up through her job. But it didn't matter. There wasn't

1168
01:06:25,920 --> 01:06:28,480
Speaker 1: time for small talk. It was more hello, thank you

1169
01:06:28,520 --> 01:06:30,680
Speaker 1: for helping past me some kicking OI plays or we

1170
01:06:30,680 --> 01:06:33,320
Speaker 1: added the odor one Again. That's not to say there

1171
01:06:33,360 --> 01:06:36,080
Speaker 1: was new bonding. When you sure an intense experience like that,

1172
01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:38,720
Speaker 1: under the way of emotions we were working with, there's

1173
01:06:38,720 --> 01:06:41,360
Speaker 1: a connection built. There was a sense of community that

1174
01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:45,680
Speaker 1: I've never experienced before, and given the circumstances, I sincerely

1175
01:06:45,680 --> 01:06:49,920
Speaker 1: hoped to never experience again. But that seems unlikely. In

1176
01:06:49,960 --> 01:06:52,560
Speaker 1: that church hall where we ran the food bank, nobody

1177
01:06:52,600 --> 01:06:54,400
Speaker 1: needed to be told what to do. There was no

1178
01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:57,840
Speaker 1: induction or even delegation of rules. For three days. People

1179
01:06:57,880 --> 01:07:00,440
Speaker 1: turned up when they found themselves something to do. And

1180
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:03,080
Speaker 1: I don't know if it will surprise you, because it shouldn't,

1181
01:07:03,480 --> 01:07:05,800
Speaker 1: but There were many migrants and refugees who turned up

1182
01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:09,040
Speaker 1: to help themselves. One woman came because she was in

1183
01:07:09,120 --> 01:07:11,680
Speaker 1: need of food for herself, but she asked if she

1184
01:07:11,680 --> 01:07:14,400
Speaker 1: could take some extra to make meals for others. Within

1185
01:07:14,440 --> 01:07:17,280
Speaker 1: two hours we had thirty contents of home. Halal crey

1186
01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:20,560
Speaker 1: to deliver the homes thanks to her work. I'm not

1187
01:07:20,600 --> 01:07:22,880
Speaker 1: sure I've ever been able to truly define what love

1188
01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:26,800
Speaker 1: or selflessness or solidarity mean, but I'm pretty sure that's

1189
01:07:26,800 --> 01:07:29,760
Speaker 1: what it looks like. This was not work being done

1190
01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:32,880
Speaker 1: by professional charities or organizations. That's not to say they

1191
01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:35,440
Speaker 1: weren't doing anything, far from it, But I want to

1192
01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:37,560
Speaker 1: take a moment to press upon music. This was everyday

1193
01:07:37,560 --> 01:07:40,600
Speaker 1: people figuring it out together, many of whom we had

1194
01:07:40,640 --> 01:07:44,200
Speaker 1: never done anything like this before. What'sapp group were created,

1195
01:07:44,280 --> 01:07:47,000
Speaker 1: phone numbers, sure and Google doc data bases thrown together

1196
01:07:47,480 --> 01:07:50,880
Speaker 1: across the city. Volunteers together and a part Does anyone

1197
01:07:50,920 --> 01:07:53,240
Speaker 1: held close for a baby? Did someone drive a lady

1198
01:07:53,240 --> 01:07:56,360
Speaker 1: to an appointment tomorrow? At ten am? Resources were sued

1199
01:07:56,400 --> 01:07:59,880
Speaker 1: across mesif donation centers if one centered one might have

1200
01:07:59,920 --> 01:08:04,400
Speaker 1: don another were sharing their supply. Volunteers drove from centers

1201
01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:07,120
Speaker 1: to shops to homes, trying to find what was required.

1202
01:08:07,480 --> 01:08:11,640
Speaker 1: It was beautiful chaos and it worked. Nobody had to

1203
01:08:11,680 --> 01:08:14,760
Speaker 1: be there. Almost all the volunteers had arrived through word

1204
01:08:14,760 --> 01:08:16,920
Speaker 1: of mouthe. I don't think I saw one single social

1205
01:08:16,920 --> 01:08:19,640
Speaker 1: media poster advert calling out for help a person. The

1206
01:08:19,680 --> 01:08:22,639
Speaker 1: one I posted on our last day helped just cam.

1207
01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:26,360
Speaker 1: Like me, many of the volunteers still compelled to do something.

1208
01:08:26,840 --> 01:08:29,000
Speaker 1: Sitting at home beyond the locked door and watching he

1209
01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:32,240
Speaker 1: had filled the city Vihile livestream just wasn't cutting it anymore.

1210
01:08:33,080 --> 01:08:35,400
Speaker 1: One volunteer told me that when the violence erupted, they

1211
01:08:35,400 --> 01:08:37,639
Speaker 1: simply couldn't get the affected people out of her head.

1212
01:08:38,439 --> 01:08:40,800
Speaker 1: They took Friday afternoon off work to deliver food and

1213
01:08:40,880 --> 01:08:43,160
Speaker 1: essential supplies the families who were too fraid to leave

1214
01:08:43,200 --> 01:08:46,439
Speaker 1: their homes. More than anything, she said, she wanted to

1215
01:08:46,479 --> 01:08:49,360
Speaker 1: show that people of Belfast Ker and the newcomers to

1216
01:08:49,400 --> 01:08:51,880
Speaker 1: our city are welcome. At a time when fear and

1217
01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:55,560
Speaker 1: uncertainly was affecting so many families, it felt important to

1218
01:08:55,600 --> 01:08:58,599
Speaker 1: her to offer practical support and remind people that they

1219
01:08:58,640 --> 01:09:01,600
Speaker 1: were not alone. The work people have been doing and

1220
01:09:01,680 --> 01:09:04,559
Speaker 1: are still doing is not without risk. I smoke earlier

1221
01:09:04,600 --> 01:09:07,240
Speaker 1: of fear. There's a dark rumor that Northern Land has

1222
01:09:07,240 --> 01:09:09,280
Speaker 1: the best knee surgeons in the world due to the

1223
01:09:09,280 --> 01:09:12,120
Speaker 1: Power military's favorite publishment style of knee cabin or the

1224
01:09:12,160 --> 01:09:13,760
Speaker 1: place of gone to the back of your knee and

1225
01:09:13,760 --> 01:09:16,760
Speaker 1: pull the trigger blown out the front. If you live

1226
01:09:16,760 --> 01:09:18,639
Speaker 1: in the community run by the parers and you piss

1227
01:09:18,720 --> 01:09:21,360
Speaker 1: them off, you're going to know about it. It might

1228
01:09:21,400 --> 01:09:23,639
Speaker 1: be a brick through your window, graffiti on your door,

1229
01:09:23,800 --> 01:09:25,640
Speaker 1: or a visit from the local police to tell you

1230
01:09:25,720 --> 01:09:27,920
Speaker 1: they would strongly advise you leave the premises and find

1231
01:09:27,920 --> 01:09:31,439
Speaker 1: somewhere else to live. For many community volunteers, this was

1232
01:09:31,479 --> 01:09:34,040
Speaker 1: a case of heart over mind. They were driving in

1233
01:09:34,080 --> 01:09:36,400
Speaker 1: the loyal of strongholds that had been ratting just hours

1234
01:09:36,439 --> 01:09:39,080
Speaker 1: before to deliver food to the very people that had

1235
01:09:39,120 --> 01:09:42,479
Speaker 1: been targeted. But their compassion for those sitting hungry, tired,

1236
01:09:42,520 --> 01:09:45,479
Speaker 1: and scared outwigged the fear they felt for their own safety.

1237
01:09:46,040 --> 01:09:48,479
Speaker 1: Many of the volunteers who helped will never tell their

1238
01:09:48,520 --> 01:09:51,559
Speaker 1: neighbors what they did. They may never tell anyone about it.

1239
01:09:52,400 --> 01:09:55,120
Speaker 1: Drivers arrived back to the hall, stories of families sitting

1240
01:09:55,160 --> 01:09:57,120
Speaker 1: in the dark with no electric in the mirror of

1241
01:09:57,280 --> 01:09:59,160
Speaker 1: mothers hiding in the back room by the door with

1242
01:09:59,200 --> 01:10:01,400
Speaker 1: their babies in their own I'm ready to run should

1243
01:10:01,400 --> 01:10:04,160
Speaker 1: a framing bottle come through the window. If you've wondered

1244
01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:06,960
Speaker 1: for a moment, what kept us motivated? No, you know,

1245
01:10:08,080 --> 01:10:10,519
Speaker 1: some volunteers sprung into action from the first moment, and

1246
01:10:10,560 --> 01:10:13,160
Speaker 1: some are still going. There are still people from ethnic

1247
01:10:13,200 --> 01:10:16,760
Speaker 1: minority community in great need. I cannot imagine the fear

1248
01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:19,640
Speaker 1: they're still living in. But why was it left of

1249
01:10:19,720 --> 01:10:22,360
Speaker 1: the people to take action? I've heard that question asked

1250
01:10:22,400 --> 01:10:25,200
Speaker 1: several times during the last week. It's hard to know.

1251
01:10:25,840 --> 01:10:28,400
Speaker 1: Many people are rightly wondering where the government Wasn't all

1252
01:10:28,439 --> 01:10:31,720
Speaker 1: this were our politicians, Yes, some that are on their

1253
01:10:31,760 --> 01:10:34,439
Speaker 1: podiums from time to time to condemned the valance. But

1254
01:10:34,479 --> 01:10:36,160
Speaker 1: if it wasn't for the community on the ground and

1255
01:10:36,200 --> 01:10:39,200
Speaker 1: the wonderful, generous people who do needed money, all of

1256
01:10:39,240 --> 01:10:42,799
Speaker 1: those people that we helped would still be sitting there, hungry, tired,

1257
01:10:42,840 --> 01:10:46,200
Speaker 1: and scoured even more than they are. And I I

1258
01:10:46,240 --> 01:10:48,479
Speaker 1: know that here on the ground, we're putting together a

1259
01:10:48,479 --> 01:10:50,640
Speaker 1: contingency plan so that we're ready to spring in the

1260
01:10:50,720 --> 01:10:53,559
Speaker 1: action should this happen once more. And we've done that

1261
01:10:53,600 --> 01:10:56,679
Speaker 1: without any of the resources at the disposal of the government,

1262
01:10:57,240 --> 01:11:00,639
Speaker 1: albeit in our own small way. So after so many

1263
01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:02,760
Speaker 1: summers of this happening, do we know nothing of any

1264
01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:06,320
Speaker 1: government plan. If there was any sort of plan, surely

1265
01:11:06,360 --> 01:11:08,880
Speaker 1: we would be seeing it in action by nine. The

1266
01:11:08,920 --> 01:11:11,599
Speaker 1: sad reality is this is likely going to happen again,

1267
01:11:11,800 --> 01:11:14,559
Speaker 1: probably this very summer. We have a lot of problems

1268
01:11:14,600 --> 01:11:17,920
Speaker 1: with very little solution. How do we guarantee housing that's

1269
01:11:17,920 --> 01:11:20,400
Speaker 1: safe in a city that's litered with you? How do

1270
01:11:20,479 --> 01:11:22,479
Speaker 1: we say to people, we've given you a food parcel

1271
01:11:22,520 --> 01:11:24,559
Speaker 1: with the week's worth of food, but next week you're

1272
01:11:24,560 --> 01:11:26,880
Speaker 1: going to have to sort of out yourself and go

1273
01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:29,080
Speaker 1: to the shop. Next week you're going to have to

1274
01:11:29,120 --> 01:11:32,120
Speaker 1: walk past your neighbors smashed windows and the graffiti saying

1275
01:11:32,200 --> 01:11:35,120
Speaker 1: Muslims out. Next week you're going to have to walk

1276
01:11:35,160 --> 01:11:37,840
Speaker 1: past the house of that loyalist the insists on calling

1277
01:11:37,840 --> 01:11:41,000
Speaker 1: you slurs every time he sees you. Even as I'm

1278
01:11:41,000 --> 01:11:43,320
Speaker 1: recording this, there are new calls for so called protests

1279
01:11:43,320 --> 01:11:45,719
Speaker 1: over the next few days. There's a rumor a norm

1280
01:11:45,720 --> 01:11:47,639
Speaker 1: white man who was arrested for trying to break into

1281
01:11:47,680 --> 01:11:50,799
Speaker 1: someone's house. I'm not being called by saying Nor'm white.

1282
01:11:50,840 --> 01:11:53,559
Speaker 1: That's the bagst level of racism we're currently operating with here,

1283
01:11:54,280 --> 01:11:56,120
Speaker 1: and an incident like that is enough to set this

1284
01:11:56,200 --> 01:11:58,840
Speaker 1: all off again for the rest of the summer. Eyes

1285
01:11:58,880 --> 01:12:01,439
Speaker 1: on both sides of the immigran argument will skim over

1286
01:12:01,760 --> 01:12:04,800
Speaker 1: these artic goals, searching for a race or nationality to

1287
01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:07,519
Speaker 1: be mentioned. I cannot imagine how it feels to be

1288
01:12:07,560 --> 01:12:10,719
Speaker 1: a member of an ethnic minority. And beyond tender hooks

1289
01:12:10,960 --> 01:12:13,960
Speaker 1: hoping and praying someone of color does not commit a crime,

1290
01:12:15,120 --> 01:12:17,120
Speaker 1: you may be forgiven for thinking that we have absolutely

1291
01:12:17,120 --> 01:12:20,200
Speaker 1: no other crimes occurring on a daily basis, especially non

1292
01:12:20,240 --> 01:12:24,080
Speaker 1: committed by white people. Of course we do, They're the majority.

1293
01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:26,719
Speaker 1: We have one of the highest rates of violence against

1294
01:12:26,760 --> 01:12:29,280
Speaker 1: women and girls in the whole of Europe. Since twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty thirty women have been violently killed by a man,

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Speaker 1: a local man. Did they right? Then, I'll give you

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Speaker 1: two guesses. Our community action was not enough. That's the

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Speaker 1: sad reality. What does some toilet rule and a few

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Speaker 1: vegetables matter when someone's car has been burned out? How

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Speaker 1: does a bag of rice compensated for having to leave

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Speaker 1: your home? It just doesn't. But maybe it will bring

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Speaker 1: a small bit of hope. When we decided we were

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Speaker 1: going to do something to help, that's all we started with, hope.

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Speaker 1: And now a week later, after thousands of pounds worth

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Speaker 1: of food, electric vergers, phones, sim cards, blankets and pajamas

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Speaker 1: have passed in and out of our doors into the

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Speaker 1: homes and emergency accommodation across Belfast, it's all we're left

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Speaker 1: with hope that we helped, Hope that we won't ever

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Speaker 1: have to do it again. As one recipient the financial

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Speaker 1: help put it, the real value is not in the amount,

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Speaker 1: it's the kindness, humanity and compassion behind it. At the

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Speaker 1: very start of this podcast, I told you Belfast is

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Speaker 1: a beautiful city, rich in culture and history. But to

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Speaker 1: borrow of the wonderful words of that recipient, I think

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Speaker 1: it's also a city rich in kindness, humanity and compassion.

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Speaker 1: It is a city that has shown it can I

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Speaker 1: will come together when it really matters, even if you

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Speaker 1: can't always see it. That's the real face of Belfast.

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Speaker 1: I want to say thank you, thank you to everyone

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Speaker 1: who I met but never got the names off the

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Speaker 1: people I'd never have met, and I hope I don't

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Speaker 1: have to meet again. Thank you to everyone who donated

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Speaker 1: from across the world. That support meant everything to us

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Speaker 1: and allowed us to help those who needed the most.

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Speaker 1: And I also want to say thank you to the

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Speaker 1: people here on Belfast and the norther line. They have been

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Speaker 1: the most affected by these rats. So the immigrants, the

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Speaker 1: refugees and the asylum seekers, thank you for coming here,

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Speaker 1: for having to our community, and for becoming our community.

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Speaker 1: We are the real community of Belfast only are nothing

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Speaker 1: with aya.

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Speaker 11: Welcome to it could happen here. A podcast that is

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Speaker 11: often about being trans in America and living under a

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Speaker 11: regime that is actively hostile to our mere existence. I'm

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Speaker 11: your host, Mia Wong, and today we're going to take

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Speaker 11: a somewhat broad view and look at what it means

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Speaker 11: to be trans in America from a class standpoint. Now,

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Speaker 11: I think if you are trans, you are, at least

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Speaker 11: broadly speaking, not a capitalist in the sense of you

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Speaker 11: do not own the means of production. You are not

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Speaker 11: the bourgeoisie. There are so few of us at all

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Speaker 11: who can be said to own the means of production.

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Speaker 11: We are all almost entirely as a class, like some

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Speaker 11: kind of worker or another. But there is a lot

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Speaker 11: of specificity to the specific trans experience of class and

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Speaker 11: where we fit into the broader American class structure that

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Speaker 11: I want to talk about today, and I want to

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Speaker 11: simultaneously get people an actual understanding in one place of

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Speaker 11: just kind of the outskirts of how bad it is,

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Speaker 11: but then also talk about how.

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Speaker 3: Good it is.

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Speaker 11: Isn't maybe the right term, but want to give people

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Speaker 11: a sense of what this class position means for our

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Speaker 11: place and ability to fight back, because that is also

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Speaker 11: a critically important part of not just being trans, but

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Speaker 11: a critically important part of every leftist and liberation movements

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Speaker 11: in the US for the past decade has been longer

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Speaker 11: than a decade, like two decades has been US, And

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Speaker 11: obviously there have been a lot of trans people who

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Speaker 11: are involved in a bunch of shit before then. But

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Speaker 11: the extent to which trans people have been involved and

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Speaker 11: have been central to every social movement you've ever heard

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Speaker 11: of in the modern era is exceptional, and I want

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Speaker 11: to talk about why that is. I want to start

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Speaker 11: talking about why that is by looking at some of

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Speaker 11: the data that we have on what it's like to

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Speaker 11: be trans in the US. And this is one of

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Speaker 11: the things is very difficult when you're writing about trans people,

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Speaker 11: because you know, we all have our experience of transness.

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Speaker 11: And when he's trying to get trans healthcare, I think

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Speaker 11: is aware that there is so much research that has

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Speaker 11: just not been done about us. This is medical research

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Speaker 11: on the effects of specific like hormone regimens, and like

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Speaker 11: what kinds of medicines do and don't help, and what

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Speaker 11: the effects are. A lot of the information that you

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Speaker 11: do get from doctors is based on really really old

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Speaker 11: studies that aren't applicable to what actually exists. And this

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Speaker 11: is also true when you're trying to look at economic data,

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Speaker 11: where there just aren't that many studies of what it's

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Speaker 11: like for trans people in the US, and the ones

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Speaker 11: that do exist, and there are people who have done some,

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Speaker 11: they're very reliant on data sets that are not specifically

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Speaker 11: designed to be of trans people. And that's a problem

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Speaker 11: because a lot of what you end up with and

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Speaker 11: the reason why, like there are some things that I've

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Speaker 11: read that are just not going to be in this episode,

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Speaker 11: is that they are very reliant on things like, Okay,

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Speaker 11: we know this person as gender markers have changed or

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Speaker 11: their names have changed, and that's fine, kind of if

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Speaker 11: you want to sort of get a sense of what's

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Speaker 11: going on. But like the percentage of transpeople, the sort

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Speaker 11: of demographics of trans people who have officially changed their

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Speaker 11: gender markers is not reflective of trans people in general.

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Speaker 11: So we're going to be using a lot of data

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Speaker 11: in this from what's called the US Trans Survey USTs.

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Speaker 11: Its run by advocates for trans equality, and God fucking

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Speaker 11: blessed them. These people are doing the transgender's work. It's

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Speaker 11: an invaluable resource. I don't know of a better sort

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Speaker 11: of repository of information about trans people that has been collected.

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Speaker 11: So these surveys are runfairly and frequently. There was one

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Speaker 11: in twenty fifteen and one in twenty twenty two. But

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Speaker 11: in the twenty twenty two one they got ninety two

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Speaker 11: thousand trans and non bineary respondents, which is unbelievable. That

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Speaker 11: is a staggering sample size. But the information they got

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Speaker 11: from it is in a lot of ways extremely bleak.

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Speaker 11: I mean, you know, you can look at the positive stuff,

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Speaker 11: which is that yeah, people who transition to say that, yeah,

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Speaker 11: their lives are happier now. They transitions like they like transitioning.

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Speaker 11: It's it's good it's I don't know, do the thing.

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Speaker 11: It will make you happier. However, comma the economic numbers.

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Speaker 11: Jesus Christ, Oh boy, oh boy. Now, as I've said, right,

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Speaker 11: the people who work on the US Transerve A they

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Speaker 11: do astonishing work. But as with all trans people, they're

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Speaker 11: doing astonishing work with not that many resources, and it

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Speaker 11: takes them a long time to put their studies together.

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Speaker 11: So again, the information that we're using is from twenty

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Speaker 11: twenty two. So this means a.

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Speaker 3: Couple of things.

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Speaker 11: One, this is dreen the Biden administry, right, a regime

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Speaker 11: that is significantly less hostile to trans people than this

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Speaker 11: current one, even though there was a bunch of bad

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Speaker 11: shit going on then, some of it done by the

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Speaker 11: Biden administration. Dear God, is Tromp administration significantly significantly more

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Speaker 11: hostile trans people. So the conditions that we're seeing now

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Speaker 11: are going to be worse than the ones that we

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Speaker 11: have data for. So all of the numbers I'm about

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Speaker 11: to tell you about poverty rates and unemployment and homelessness,

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Speaker 11: it's gotten worse. The second thing is when the US

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Speaker 11: transerveyor writes reports, I mean they released recently, Yeah, they're

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Speaker 11: released in June Health and Wellbeing a report of the

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Speaker 11: twenty twenty two US Transgender Survey. It is one hundred

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Speaker 11: and ten pages long, so they do very very good

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Speaker 11: and detailed work. However, what that means is that we still,

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Speaker 11: for example, don't have like a granular economic report, and

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Speaker 11: we don't have just the full report that they write.

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Speaker 3: On this stuff.

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Speaker 11: And we also don't have really the sort of granular

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Speaker 11: reports that they had from the twenty fifteen numbers on

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Speaker 11: the XPUS to trans people of different races. So those

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Speaker 11: are sort of what I would say are the limits

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Speaker 11: going into this that we have. However, what we do

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Speaker 11: have from the early inside report is just horrifying. So

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Speaker 11: one of the sort of defining conditions of being trans

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Speaker 11: is dispossession, and you can look at dispossession in a

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Speaker 11: whole bunch of different ways. You can look at, for example,

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Speaker 11: the poverty rate. The poverty rate from the US trans

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Speaker 11: Survey among trans people is thirty four percent. The American

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Speaker 11: poverty rate is twelve percent, so that's almost three times

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Speaker 11: higher than the general population's poverty rate, and thirty four

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Speaker 11: percent is really bad, right, even looking at other demographics

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Speaker 11: and other poverty rates, that's really really really bad. The

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Speaker 11: trans unemployment rate is I think, in some ways even worse.

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Speaker 11: The US trans unemployment rate is eighteen percent. The US

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Speaker 11: unemployment rate in general and twenty twenty two is three

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Speaker 11: point six percent. So let's try to get an understanding

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Speaker 11: of what it means. Unemployment rate is a weird number.

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Speaker 11: There are so there's people. It doesn't count in terms

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Speaker 11: of people who have stopped looking for work, right, But

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Speaker 11: to put this into perspective, during the peak of the

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Speaker 11: lockdowns in twenty twenty the unemployment rate in the US

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Speaker 11: was fourteen percent, and that was the highest it's been

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Speaker 11: in ages. For trans people it's eighteen percent. So if

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Speaker 11: your trans in America right trying to find a job,

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Speaker 11: it is worse than it was for everyone during the lockdowns.

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Speaker 11: Eighteen percent unemployment is like nineteen thirty seven, early nineteen

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Speaker 11: thirty eight, great depression levels of unemployment.

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Speaker 3: It's almost one in five people. And again these.

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Speaker 11: Are the numbers from twenty twenty two, between the Biden

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Speaker 11: administration when the situation was better for trans people. We

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Speaker 11: don't have more recent numbers for the US of any

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Speaker 11: kind of scale. And even back then four years ago,

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Speaker 11: when things were better for US and the economy in

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Speaker 11: general was running a little bit better. It was again

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Speaker 11: nineteen thirty eight Great Depression levels for just a regular transperson. Right,

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Speaker 11: this has a breathly really broad array of effects, right

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Speaker 11: in terms of, you know, just the experience of the

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Speaker 11: world that you have if you are trans because you

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Speaker 11: are fundamentally living in a different world than an economic

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Speaker 11: world than SIS people do. Like again, the CIS people's

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Speaker 11: unemployment rate twenty twenty two was like three point six

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Speaker 11: percent and yours is eighteen. You are living through the

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Speaker 11: Great Depression and they are living through a normal economy.

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Speaker 11: And that means that just fundamentally, from a class position,

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Speaker 11: you have a different experience of reality than they do.

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Speaker 11: You are living in something that is not the same

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Speaker 11: as theirs. I also want to talk about home homelessless numbers,

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Speaker 11: because you know, queer homelessness has always been really really

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Speaker 11: bad for reasons that kind of obvious reasons that we'll

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Speaker 11: get into here, but it's also related to, for example,

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Speaker 11: the unemployment rate and the poverty rate, because you know,

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Speaker 11: having an apartment or just any place to stay is expensive.

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Speaker 11: We got to report recently that was a joint effort

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Speaker 11: between advocates for trans Equality and the National Alliance to

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Speaker 11: End Homelessness who did a report using the USTs data,

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Speaker 11: and they talked about how thirty percent of trans people

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Speaker 11: have experienced homelessness in their lifetime. For Americans, it's about

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Speaker 11: four percent for Americans at large, right this, you know,

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Speaker 11: just like SIS Americans in general, it's about four percent.

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Speaker 11: So that is a homelessness rate of eight times the

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Speaker 11: rate of the general population. And again that is the

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Speaker 11: twenty twenty two numbers, which are now worse. And this

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Speaker 11: is something that I think is borne out by if

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Speaker 11: you're around any like I mean, not even working class

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Speaker 11: trans people, if you're just around trans people in general,

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Speaker 11: you have met people who have been homeless, right Like,

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01:25:12,680 --> 01:25:15,519
Speaker 11: you're just constantly around people who have been homeless. And

1507
01:25:16,240 --> 01:25:20,280
Speaker 11: this is one of I think the defining elements of

1508
01:25:20,800 --> 01:25:24,080
Speaker 11: what being a trans worker is is that the level

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01:25:24,120 --> 01:25:28,040
Speaker 11: of pricarity is so great and the odds that through

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01:25:28,040 --> 01:25:30,880
Speaker 11: some kind of employment discrimination or just some bullshit happening

1511
01:25:30,960 --> 01:25:33,240
Speaker 11: with your employer or just like I don't know, the

1512
01:25:33,280 --> 01:25:37,599
Speaker 11: employers doing layoffs. It is so so easy to move

1513
01:25:37,720 --> 01:25:42,240
Speaker 11: back and forth between having an apartment and being on

1514
01:25:42,280 --> 01:25:45,600
Speaker 11: the street in a way that to some extent the

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01:25:45,680 --> 01:25:51,320
Speaker 11: general American population has. But again, the rate for the

1516
01:25:51,360 --> 01:25:54,040
Speaker 11: general population if they've been homeless in their lifetime is

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01:25:54,080 --> 01:25:57,240
Speaker 11: four percent, and for trans people it's thirty percent. And

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01:25:57,640 --> 01:26:01,160
Speaker 11: this rate, this thirty percent rate of trans people who've

1519
01:26:01,160 --> 01:26:03,000
Speaker 11: experienced homelessness. And also, by the way, a lot of

1520
01:26:03,040 --> 01:26:06,479
Speaker 11: the people who've experienced this have experienced in more than once.

1521
01:26:07,000 --> 01:26:09,160
Speaker 11: And you know, there's a lot of just people who

1522
01:26:09,200 --> 01:26:12,040
Speaker 11: are transfer homeless. Write the fuck now. This is why

1523
01:26:12,080 --> 01:26:13,880
Speaker 11: I say, like, put a transgirl on your couch at

1524
01:26:13,880 --> 01:26:17,080
Speaker 11: the end of every executive disorder, because there aren't like

1525
01:26:17,200 --> 01:26:21,080
Speaker 11: widespread solutions to this right now. It's something that we

1526
01:26:21,160 --> 01:26:23,880
Speaker 11: have to figure out for ourselves, and we just don't

1527
01:26:23,920 --> 01:26:27,439
Speaker 11: have the resources to do it now. This discrimination is

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01:26:28,000 --> 01:26:32,400
Speaker 11: intensified both in the housing market right by just general

1529
01:26:32,479 --> 01:26:35,880
Speaker 11: anti transcrimination, by poverty, and this is this is also

1530
01:26:35,960 --> 01:26:37,880
Speaker 11: sort of a cyclical process, right Like part of what's

1531
01:26:37,920 --> 01:26:40,080
Speaker 11: difficult about me writing this is that I haven't been

1532
01:26:40,120 --> 01:26:41,840
Speaker 11: homeless and I haven't been a sex worker, which means

1533
01:26:41,880 --> 01:26:44,559
Speaker 11: that I'm missing experiences that a lot of trans workers have.

1534
01:26:45,360 --> 01:26:48,599
Speaker 11: What I can say about it is like, obviously, being

1535
01:26:49,040 --> 01:26:54,200
Speaker 11: homeless makes it harder to get even just an apartment afterwards,

1536
01:26:54,280 --> 01:26:57,080
Speaker 11: because it has a whole bunch of negative effects on

1537
01:26:58,160 --> 01:27:00,519
Speaker 11: a whole bunch of shit, including, for example, like it

1538
01:27:00,640 --> 01:27:03,360
Speaker 11: like you know, obviously it's like fucks with your credit score,

1539
01:27:03,439 --> 01:27:06,240
Speaker 11: it fucks with just like oh, do you have like

1540
01:27:06,360 --> 01:27:10,080
Speaker 11: previous landlord references that you can use the There's a

1541
01:27:10,120 --> 01:27:12,439
Speaker 11: whole bunch of different sort of spiraling effects of this.

1542
01:27:12,479 --> 01:27:16,400
Speaker 11: There's obviously there's health effects, there's safety effects. So what

1543
01:27:16,400 --> 01:27:19,520
Speaker 11: you're facing is on the one hand, you are squeezed

1544
01:27:19,520 --> 01:27:22,719
Speaker 11: out through discrimination of the workplace, through the fact that also,

1545
01:27:22,840 --> 01:27:26,120
Speaker 11: and this is another fairly common thing, trans people make

1546
01:27:26,120 --> 01:27:30,639
Speaker 11: significantly less money than SIS people do. Just on the dollar,

1547
01:27:30,920 --> 01:27:34,479
Speaker 11: it's way way worse. So you have lower income when

1548
01:27:34,560 --> 01:27:37,280
Speaker 11: you get a job, you have less access to jobs,

1549
01:27:38,000 --> 01:27:41,559
Speaker 11: and you also just have housing market discrimination. And also

1550
01:27:41,720 --> 01:27:44,640
Speaker 11: trans people have weaker access to family support networks that

1551
01:27:44,680 --> 01:27:47,479
Speaker 11: function in a way to subsidize social reproduction for SIST people.

1552
01:27:48,280 --> 01:27:52,759
Speaker 11: A lot of trans people's families and parents don't accept them,

1553
01:27:53,000 --> 01:27:55,720
Speaker 11: and they just get kicked out or if they are

1554
01:27:55,760 --> 01:27:58,120
Speaker 11: able to access resources from them, it's under conditions of

1555
01:27:58,160 --> 01:28:03,640
Speaker 11: extreme violence, and that has a massive effect on homelessness. Right, like,

1556
01:28:03,680 --> 01:28:05,840
Speaker 11: a whole bunch of homelessness is caused by queer youth

1557
01:28:06,320 --> 01:28:09,960
Speaker 11: getting kicked out of their houses. And because you also

1558
01:28:10,080 --> 01:28:14,559
Speaker 11: don't have places you can go back to, right, you

1559
01:28:14,600 --> 01:28:17,639
Speaker 11: don't have the kind of like family like familial safety

1560
01:28:17,680 --> 01:28:20,360
Speaker 11: net that a lot of SIS people have access to,

1561
01:28:20,400 --> 01:28:22,559
Speaker 11: and you're less likely to have access to it. This

1562
01:28:22,640 --> 01:28:27,360
Speaker 11: intensifies the rate of homelessness, and it intensifies the consequences

1563
01:28:27,400 --> 01:28:29,400
Speaker 11: of it and how difficult it is to get out.

1564
01:28:30,479 --> 01:28:32,240
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1565
01:28:32,280 --> 01:28:34,839
Speaker 11: then we are going to come back and talk about

1566
01:28:34,920 --> 01:28:38,200
Speaker 11: some more bleak shit. But also this is not just

1567
01:28:38,520 --> 01:28:41,840
Speaker 11: the Things Fall Apart podcast. This is also the put

1568
01:28:41,880 --> 01:28:44,520
Speaker 11: It Back Together but in a better way podcast.

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01:28:55,439 --> 01:28:59,240
Speaker 3: We are back Now.

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Speaker 11: There's another factor, something that's becoming increasingly a factor of

1571
01:29:03,400 --> 01:29:07,439
Speaker 11: trans life that has existed obviously for a long time,

1572
01:29:07,479 --> 01:29:11,519
Speaker 11: but has been enormously exacerbated by the current regime, and

1573
01:29:11,640 --> 01:29:16,040
Speaker 11: that is the trans refugee population. There is in the

1574
01:29:16,240 --> 01:29:20,360
Speaker 11: US a massive trans refugee population. These are you know,

1575
01:29:20,400 --> 01:29:23,479
Speaker 11: what you would call, I guess, internally displaced people. The

1576
01:29:23,520 --> 01:29:26,240
Speaker 11: Movement Advancement Project or MAP, did a study in twenty

1577
01:29:26,280 --> 01:29:29,880
Speaker 11: twenty four to twenty twenty five looking at trans people

1578
01:29:29,920 --> 01:29:34,360
Speaker 11: who moved from one state to another because of anti

1579
01:29:34,360 --> 01:29:38,160
Speaker 11: trans legislation, right, and they found and this is just

1580
01:29:38,680 --> 01:29:43,479
Speaker 11: between November and June of twenty twenty five, they found

1581
01:29:43,720 --> 01:29:49,040
Speaker 11: that nine percent of all trans people had moved in

1582
01:29:49,920 --> 01:29:53,960
Speaker 11: just an eight month span. Right, that's nine percent of

1583
01:29:54,000 --> 01:29:57,719
Speaker 11: trans people had just just in this span between November

1584
01:29:57,840 --> 01:30:01,439
Speaker 11: twenty twenty four and June twenty twenty five. Right, just

1585
01:30:01,520 --> 01:30:06,000
Speaker 11: in that span, nine percent of the transpopulation moved. That's

1586
01:30:06,200 --> 01:30:10,679
Speaker 11: over one percent of the total transpopulation moving per month

1587
01:30:10,880 --> 01:30:15,320
Speaker 11: to a different state, specifically because of anti trans legislation. Right,

1588
01:30:15,720 --> 01:30:18,560
Speaker 11: that's really bad. If you look at sort of the

1589
01:30:18,880 --> 01:30:22,360
Speaker 11: general population of transit in the US, that's four hundred

1590
01:30:22,520 --> 01:30:27,240
Speaker 11: thousand people in just that eight month span. That's the

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01:30:27,439 --> 01:30:32,280
Speaker 11: entire population of Cleveland, Ohio, and then thirty five thousand

1592
01:30:32,520 --> 01:30:35,880
Speaker 11: more people, Right, I mean that's like obviously it's not

1593
01:30:35,960 --> 01:30:38,080
Speaker 11: like the complete metropolitan it's like the ashual just like

1594
01:30:38,160 --> 01:30:40,840
Speaker 11: city of Cleveland. Right, But like, again, that's in the

1595
01:30:40,840 --> 01:30:43,599
Speaker 11: span of eight months, we moved the entire city of Cleveland.

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01:30:44,600 --> 01:30:48,160
Speaker 11: And it's definitely gotten almost certainly has like there have

1597
01:30:48,200 --> 01:30:51,200
Speaker 11: been more people who have moved, you know, since June

1598
01:30:51,280 --> 01:30:54,800
Speaker 11: twenty twenty five, because the anti transiscrimination, anti transcrackdowns from

1599
01:30:54,800 --> 01:30:59,439
Speaker 11: the state have only gotten worse. This is a refugee crisis, right,

1600
01:30:59,800 --> 01:31:02,000
Speaker 11: and the things that they're fleeing from are also things

1601
01:31:02,000 --> 01:31:04,479
Speaker 11: that are just you know, conditions of what of what

1602
01:31:04,640 --> 01:31:08,679
Speaker 11: being trands is in the US, right, which they're fleeing,

1603
01:31:08,720 --> 01:31:12,640
Speaker 11: restrictions on healthcare access from the national level, from the

1604
01:31:12,680 --> 01:31:16,280
Speaker 11: state level, also as we talked about, like from religious

1605
01:31:16,320 --> 01:31:19,639
Speaker 11: hospitals who can also just like even if even if

1606
01:31:19,640 --> 01:31:21,240
Speaker 11: you're in a so called bluestate can just be like

1607
01:31:21,280 --> 01:31:22,840
Speaker 11: fuck you eat shit, We're not going to give you

1608
01:31:22,880 --> 01:31:26,280
Speaker 11: health care. They're fleeing, bathroom bills, they're fleeing, don't say

1609
01:31:26,280 --> 01:31:31,080
Speaker 11: gay bands, they're fleeing. Also just an increase in social violence,

1610
01:31:31,200 --> 01:31:34,720
Speaker 11: right because the thing that this that this all legitimizes, right,

1611
01:31:34,800 --> 01:31:38,400
Speaker 11: that anti trans rhetoric legitimizes, the anti trans state action legitimizes,

1612
01:31:39,120 --> 01:31:42,360
Speaker 11: is just getting assaulted for being trans, a thing that

1613
01:31:42,400 --> 01:31:46,320
Speaker 11: has always happened, but it's now happening more than it

1614
01:31:46,360 --> 01:31:51,560
Speaker 11: did before. And yeah, that not being you know, assaulted,

1615
01:31:51,640 --> 01:31:54,160
Speaker 11: and this happens at work, This happens like coming back

1616
01:31:54,160 --> 01:31:57,400
Speaker 11: from work. This happens in other places too. Is also

1617
01:31:57,479 --> 01:31:59,479
Speaker 11: you know, a part of the condition of your labor

1618
01:32:00,080 --> 01:32:02,840
Speaker 11: when you combine the fact that trans people were already

1619
01:32:02,880 --> 01:32:06,599
Speaker 11: and I want to point this out right, the homelessness rates,

1620
01:32:06,640 --> 01:32:10,479
Speaker 11: you know, the eighteen percent rate of unemployment, the thirty

1621
01:32:10,520 --> 01:32:14,439
Speaker 11: percent rate of experiencing homelessness in their lifetime, right, that

1622
01:32:14,680 --> 01:32:19,679
Speaker 11: was before the refugee crisis, like really really intensified into

1623
01:32:19,680 --> 01:32:23,519
Speaker 11: what we're seeing now. Right, It was not as bad

1624
01:32:23,560 --> 01:32:27,000
Speaker 11: in twenty twenty two as it is right now, when again,

1625
01:32:27,280 --> 01:32:30,120
Speaker 11: like we were seeing for for a period of eight months,

1626
01:32:30,120 --> 01:32:32,439
Speaker 11: we were seeing over a percent of the population per month,

1627
01:32:32,880 --> 01:32:36,160
Speaker 11: the transpopulation per month, moving all all of the the

1628
01:32:36,280 --> 01:32:41,120
Speaker 11: unemployment numbers and the poverty numbers and the homeless numbers

1629
01:32:41,439 --> 01:32:46,240
Speaker 11: were those were all pre the sort of real intensification

1630
01:32:46,439 --> 01:32:49,880
Speaker 11: after the election of the mass migration and refugee sort

1631
01:32:49,920 --> 01:32:53,240
Speaker 11: of status or trans people, and this has had an

1632
01:32:53,240 --> 01:32:57,519
Speaker 11: effect on trans people's class position. Right, what this has

1633
01:32:57,600 --> 01:33:00,280
Speaker 11: created in the places that trans people are flat to,

1634
01:33:00,360 --> 01:33:02,880
Speaker 11: and this is places like Portland, this is places like

1635
01:33:02,920 --> 01:33:05,400
Speaker 11: New York, like LA There's a lot of sort of

1636
01:33:05,439 --> 01:33:08,679
Speaker 11: like regional centers too. Obviously, Chicago's at the other sort

1637
01:33:08,720 --> 01:33:10,880
Speaker 11: of big one, but you know, they're like places like Missoula,

1638
01:33:11,560 --> 01:33:15,200
Speaker 11: right for people who don't know what Missoum was, a

1639
01:33:15,240 --> 01:33:17,519
Speaker 11: city with you know, like a pretty large university of

1640
01:33:17,520 --> 01:33:21,639
Speaker 11: population in Montana that has a fairly large transpopulation because

1641
01:33:21,640 --> 01:33:24,760
Speaker 11: it collects trans people from a whole bunch of the

1642
01:33:24,840 --> 01:33:26,479
Speaker 11: region around it. And there's also a bunch of people

1643
01:33:26,479 --> 01:33:28,559
Speaker 11: who go to there for college and realize that they're trans.

1644
01:33:29,240 --> 01:33:31,840
Speaker 11: But what this has done, right is it's forced a

1645
01:33:31,840 --> 01:33:35,840
Speaker 11: bunch of people to move leave their homes, which is expensive, right,

1646
01:33:36,280 --> 01:33:41,320
Speaker 11: And then you have to find jobs in these new places,

1647
01:33:42,120 --> 01:33:45,400
Speaker 11: and it's already really difficult to find jobs in the

1648
01:33:45,400 --> 01:33:48,679
Speaker 11: places that you were. And so you know what you're

1649
01:33:48,680 --> 01:33:52,360
Speaker 11: facing just in general, right, is you're facing this trade

1650
01:33:52,400 --> 01:33:56,240
Speaker 11: off between can you survive in the place that you

1651
01:33:56,400 --> 01:34:00,639
Speaker 11: are with the life that you have, or you need

1652
01:34:01,000 --> 01:34:05,280
Speaker 11: to pick up and go to another place where it's

1653
01:34:06,000 --> 01:34:09,120
Speaker 11: less illegal for you to be yourself. And what this

1654
01:34:09,160 --> 01:34:13,400
Speaker 11: has created is this sort of mass underclass of trans

1655
01:34:13,439 --> 01:34:17,680
Speaker 11: workers that is especially large in places with large refugee populations.

1656
01:34:18,400 --> 01:34:22,040
Speaker 11: These workers are of any subgroup that, like trans people

1657
01:34:22,040 --> 01:34:24,559
Speaker 11: are in the trans people in that group are the

1658
01:34:24,560 --> 01:34:29,040
Speaker 11: most marginalized and the most just absolutely fucked of everyone

1659
01:34:29,080 --> 01:34:29,639
Speaker 11: in that group.

1660
01:34:29,840 --> 01:34:30,040
Speaker 9: Right.

1661
01:34:30,800 --> 01:34:32,599
Speaker 11: You know, you can look at like the violence rates

1662
01:34:32,640 --> 01:34:37,880
Speaker 11: for black trans women particularly is appalling. Right, there's a

1663
01:34:37,880 --> 01:34:40,439
Speaker 11: lot of disabled trans people, and among disabled people who

1664
01:34:40,439 --> 01:34:43,640
Speaker 11: already have it really really bad in the US, right, Like,

1665
01:34:43,680 --> 01:34:47,200
Speaker 11: you look at disabled trans people and it's even fucking harder.

1666
01:34:47,280 --> 01:34:50,040
Speaker 11: That's especially an issue with you know, something that's been

1667
01:34:50,080 --> 01:34:52,519
Speaker 11: affecting a whole bunch of people, which is the Medicaid

1668
01:34:52,600 --> 01:34:56,600
Speaker 11: work requirements, which have been just unbelievably harmful to a

1669
01:34:56,640 --> 01:34:59,160
Speaker 11: whole bunch of disabled trans people who suddenly are being

1670
01:34:59,439 --> 01:35:04,479
Speaker 11: like worse to work, who just can't. Right, And what

1671
01:35:05,240 --> 01:35:10,320
Speaker 11: this has created is this incredibly incredibly precarious class of workers.

1672
01:35:10,880 --> 01:35:13,240
Speaker 11: All over the spectrum of the working class, right, there

1673
01:35:13,240 --> 01:35:15,920
Speaker 11: are a lot of trans people, an unbelievable number of

1674
01:35:15,920 --> 01:35:19,439
Speaker 11: trans people working service jobs. And like the lower end

1675
01:35:19,479 --> 01:35:21,640
Speaker 11: and shittier the service job, the more likely you are

1676
01:35:21,680 --> 01:35:25,080
Speaker 11: to find trans people there. There's always been a lot

1677
01:35:25,080 --> 01:35:27,559
Speaker 11: of trans sex work because a lot of times that's

1678
01:35:27,560 --> 01:35:29,240
Speaker 11: the thing you can do, right, And this is sex

1679
01:35:29,280 --> 01:35:32,559
Speaker 11: work across the entire spectrum of what sex work is

1680
01:35:33,320 --> 01:35:35,800
Speaker 11: of sort of like greater and lesser degrees of risk.

1681
01:35:36,439 --> 01:35:40,080
Speaker 11: This also is the thing that contributes to the criminalization

1682
01:35:40,120 --> 01:35:42,400
Speaker 11: of trans people, because there's a bunch of criminalization of

1683
01:35:42,400 --> 01:35:45,680
Speaker 11: sex workers in ways that gets trans people targeted by

1684
01:35:45,720 --> 01:35:48,160
Speaker 11: the police and subject even more police violence than they

1685
01:35:48,160 --> 01:35:51,000
Speaker 11: are already which they are also subject to extraordinary amounts

1686
01:35:51,000 --> 01:35:54,439
Speaker 11: of police violence. I don't know, every trans person has

1687
01:35:54,640 --> 01:36:07,920
Speaker 11: seen some shit, but I'm not just saying this to

1688
01:36:08,000 --> 01:36:11,040
Speaker 11: be like the trans class position is bad. But what

1689
01:36:11,080 --> 01:36:16,240
Speaker 11: this has done is create this class of trans workers

1690
01:36:16,280 --> 01:36:20,599
Speaker 11: that moves between parts of the class that don't have

1691
01:36:20,720 --> 01:36:23,599
Speaker 11: contact with each other very much. There's a whole bunch

1692
01:36:23,600 --> 01:36:26,680
Speaker 11: of movement between being housed and being unhoused in a

1693
01:36:26,720 --> 01:36:30,920
Speaker 11: way that is at a significantly broader scale than it

1694
01:36:31,000 --> 01:36:33,280
Speaker 11: is for the rest of like the rest of the population,

1695
01:36:33,560 --> 01:36:35,599
Speaker 11: there are a whole bunch of different kinds of trans

1696
01:36:35,600 --> 01:36:38,960
Speaker 11: workers who are able to unify around being trans and

1697
01:36:39,080 --> 01:36:41,080
Speaker 11: have contact with each other and do organize with each other,

1698
01:36:41,080 --> 01:36:44,360
Speaker 11: and who fight, you know, alongside each other, right from

1699
01:36:44,439 --> 01:36:47,840
Speaker 11: different parts of the working class that don't often particularly

1700
01:36:47,920 --> 01:36:50,680
Speaker 11: get along, and in particular in terms of like you know,

1701
01:36:50,800 --> 01:36:53,519
Speaker 11: service workers and on house people, there is a really

1702
01:36:53,560 --> 01:36:56,760
Speaker 11: systemic effort by the States and by the rights and

1703
01:36:56,880 --> 01:36:58,840
Speaker 11: even need to buy that by the Democratic Party too,

1704
01:36:59,360 --> 01:37:03,719
Speaker 11: to pit these against each other. But also with trans people,

1705
01:37:03,760 --> 01:37:06,280
Speaker 11: it's like, well, I don't know, like there's also an

1706
01:37:06,280 --> 01:37:08,120
Speaker 11: extent to which yeah, like if you're a transparson, you

1707
01:37:08,160 --> 01:37:11,639
Speaker 11: are you know, X number of days away from being

1708
01:37:11,680 --> 01:37:14,639
Speaker 11: that person on the street. And so this has created

1709
01:37:14,680 --> 01:37:21,000
Speaker 11: a fairly unique class position right of unbelievable precarity, you know,

1710
01:37:21,040 --> 01:37:24,000
Speaker 11: state and forced pricarity. It's it's it's obviously not the

1711
01:37:24,040 --> 01:37:27,960
Speaker 11: only right class position in the US of like legally

1712
01:37:28,040 --> 01:37:31,439
Speaker 11: mandated percarity. You can look at undocumented workers who have

1713
01:37:31,720 --> 01:37:35,320
Speaker 11: even more genocidal shit happening against them right now in

1714
01:37:35,400 --> 01:37:38,679
Speaker 11: terms of just like yeah, no, yeah, there's just ice

1715
01:37:38,880 --> 01:37:42,559
Speaker 11: rounding people up. But what has been produced here is

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Speaker 11: this incredibly precarious class like down the remobile workers. And

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Speaker 11: it's also worth noting that like to some extent, this

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Speaker 11: is a deliberate strategy of the right, Like this is this.

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Speaker 3: Is what the right wants.

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Speaker 11: You know, if you look at like the rise of neoliberalists,

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01:37:59,880 --> 01:38:03,280
Speaker 11: and you look at Reagan, you look at Thatcher, right,

1722
01:38:03,640 --> 01:38:05,960
Speaker 11: one of the big things that they are about in

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Speaker 11: this era is control over gender and control over social reproduction.

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Speaker 11: This is one of the things, you know, if you

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Speaker 11: look at how these people come to power, they come

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Speaker 11: to power on the back of very very right wing

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01:38:18,320 --> 01:38:21,400
Speaker 11: social movements, right that are you know, in the US,

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01:38:21,520 --> 01:38:23,320
Speaker 11: it's like the you know, the sort of like the

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01:38:23,360 --> 01:38:28,320
Speaker 11: rise of the evangelicals, who one of their big things, right,

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Speaker 11: one of the things that they're interested in is suppressing

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Speaker 11: queer people specifically, right.

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Speaker 3: But you can you can look at this in other.

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Speaker 11: Context too, where you know, you can look at China

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Speaker 11: in the nineteen eighties as the beginning of sort of

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Speaker 11: the reform period of starting when you start to see

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Speaker 11: the return of capitalists in the China in nineteen eighty

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01:38:46,439 --> 01:38:49,080
Speaker 11: you get the one child policy occurring on a little

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01:38:49,080 --> 01:38:51,160
Speaker 11: bit of a tangent here. But something I don't think

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01:38:51,240 --> 01:38:55,200
Speaker 11: is really acknowledged in the way that people think and

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Speaker 11: talk about China, which is that the one child policy

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01:38:57,560 --> 01:38:59,560
Speaker 11: was not a thing from the Maoist period. This was

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01:38:59,560 --> 01:39:02,880
Speaker 11: the reform, right, Dan Jhahping is in power when this

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01:39:02,920 --> 01:39:05,280
Speaker 11: goes into effect, right, and when it's like written into

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01:39:05,320 --> 01:39:08,320
Speaker 11: the constitution, like this is dang Zhahping, This is this is,

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01:39:08,520 --> 01:39:11,840
Speaker 11: you know, the sort of pro capitalist reform movements that

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01:39:11,960 --> 01:39:15,920
Speaker 11: is imposing the one child policy on people in the US.

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01:39:15,960 --> 01:39:18,639
Speaker 11: You also have like restrictions on abortion that are sort

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01:39:18,640 --> 01:39:21,639
Speaker 11: of part and parcel of the rights attempt to expand

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01:39:21,680 --> 01:39:25,640
Speaker 11: capitalism because control over the family, control over you know,

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01:39:25,920 --> 01:39:29,240
Speaker 11: social reproduction, the production of new workers and the ability

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01:39:29,760 --> 01:39:33,080
Speaker 11: for people to continue to be workers for the capitalist system,

1752
01:39:33,600 --> 01:39:37,080
Speaker 11: that's something that is important to them, right, And the

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01:39:37,240 --> 01:39:39,880
Speaker 11: maintenance of right wing gender roles is something that is

1754
01:39:39,920 --> 01:39:43,320
Speaker 11: important for them to be able to reproduce their ideology

1755
01:39:43,320 --> 01:39:46,519
Speaker 11: and also reproduce capital in general. And so they came

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01:39:46,560 --> 01:39:50,080
Speaker 11: after us. But on the other hand, right, you know,

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01:39:50,240 --> 01:39:52,760
Speaker 11: as much as we have been targeted by the right,

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01:39:53,600 --> 01:39:56,439
Speaker 11: trans people have also, as I sort of talked about

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01:39:56,520 --> 01:39:59,680
Speaker 11: a bit at the beginning of this episode, been overrepresented

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01:39:59,760 --> 01:40:03,439
Speaker 11: in just every left of social movement for the past

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Speaker 11: like two decades, right, everything from like union organizing to

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01:40:08,160 --> 01:40:11,320
Speaker 11: mutual aid to like who shows up in the street

1763
01:40:11,360 --> 01:40:16,200
Speaker 11: to protest to like blocks, from like occupy to the Uprising. Right,

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Speaker 11: there are trans people in all of these social movements

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01:40:20,000 --> 01:40:22,720
Speaker 11: in extremely key roles. And the only real way for

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01:40:22,760 --> 01:40:25,080
Speaker 11: this not to happen is to when trans people are

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01:40:25,120 --> 01:40:27,880
Speaker 11: specifically driven out of these movements, and that happens a lot, right,

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Speaker 11: Like That's that's also like one of the things that

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Speaker 11: you experience being being a trends like worker is that,

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01:40:33,920 --> 01:40:37,360
Speaker 11: you know, people who are transphobic in the left will

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01:40:37,439 --> 01:40:40,799
Speaker 11: run you out of the shit that you're doing. Usually,

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Speaker 11: I say usually because some ofttimes.

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Speaker 3: They are x.

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Speaker 11: You are explicitly pushed after being trans. Usually there's like

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01:40:45,840 --> 01:40:48,559
Speaker 11: some other excuse that's that's found to do this. But

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01:40:49,000 --> 01:40:51,879
Speaker 11: you know, even with how much you know, like persecution

1777
01:40:51,920 --> 01:40:54,000
Speaker 11: to trans people there have been in the social movements,

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01:40:54,439 --> 01:40:58,160
Speaker 11: trans people still show up for right, you know, they

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01:40:58,200 --> 01:41:00,720
Speaker 11: take just sort of a random example, right, friend of

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01:41:00,760 --> 01:41:04,479
Speaker 11: the show, Vicky Ostroweil was the facilitator of the first

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Speaker 11: occupy meeting in New York.

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Speaker 3: Right, We're just always there.

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01:41:08,320 --> 01:41:11,800
Speaker 11: We have always been there, We've been there everywhere, and

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01:41:11,840 --> 01:41:14,639
Speaker 11: we will continue to be there in all of these movements,

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Speaker 11: in the anti ice movements. In I say movements because

1786
01:41:18,120 --> 01:41:21,200
Speaker 11: like this is true in like the twenty eighteen anti

1787
01:41:21,240 --> 01:41:23,559
Speaker 11: Ice movement is true in the current anti ice movement.

1788
01:41:23,640 --> 01:41:26,120
Speaker 11: It is true in the student encampments of twenty twenty

1789
01:41:26,120 --> 01:41:29,599
Speaker 11: four and there's a reason for this, and the reason

1790
01:41:29,640 --> 01:41:33,479
Speaker 11: for this, to a large extent is that very precarity, right,

1791
01:41:33,520 --> 01:41:37,320
Speaker 11: if you were going to be trans, especially now, you

1792
01:41:37,479 --> 01:41:41,639
Speaker 11: have no choice but to fight, if you want to exist,

1793
01:41:41,680 --> 01:41:44,200
Speaker 11: if you want to have access to your healthcare, if

1794
01:41:44,240 --> 01:41:47,960
Speaker 11: you want to be upgraded to the status of mere proletarians,

1795
01:41:48,640 --> 01:41:53,640
Speaker 11: if you want your life to just merely merely be

1796
01:41:54,439 --> 01:41:58,160
Speaker 11: the life of a CIS worker, which is significantly less

1797
01:41:58,200 --> 01:42:01,880
Speaker 11: fucked than your life is, you have to fight. And

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01:42:01,920 --> 01:42:04,679
Speaker 11: this is something that is also spread to some extent

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Speaker 11: by sort of transculture, I would say broadly, but also

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Speaker 11: just like the kind of social groups that form, and

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Speaker 11: also it's spread and this is particularly something you see

1802
01:42:13,360 --> 01:42:15,040
Speaker 11: in unions a lot, right. We've talked a lot in

1803
01:42:15,080 --> 01:42:18,559
Speaker 11: the show about trans people being overrepresented in unions. It's like, well,

1804
01:42:18,560 --> 01:42:23,640
Speaker 11: we're overrepresented in unions because we're workers, right, And this

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01:42:23,720 --> 01:42:26,599
Speaker 11: is in some sense the potential of what the Right

1806
01:42:26,680 --> 01:42:30,360
Speaker 11: has wrought, right, which is that they have created this

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01:42:30,960 --> 01:42:36,200
Speaker 11: extremely large population of trans service workers and trans refugees

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01:42:36,760 --> 01:42:39,720
Speaker 11: who have nothing to lose but their chains and a

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01:42:39,760 --> 01:42:44,599
Speaker 11: world to win. Slightly elsewhere in the manifesto, like Marx Rights,

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Speaker 11: what the bourgeoisie produce above all are its own grave diggers.

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Speaker 11: And if you look out at the world in twenty

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01:42:54,000 --> 01:42:57,599
Speaker 11: twenty six, right, you can see the graves being dug

1813
01:42:58,840 --> 01:43:01,880
Speaker 11: The question is who is going to be buried there?

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Speaker 11: The capitalist class would very much like it to be us. I,

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01:43:06,320 --> 01:43:09,040
Speaker 11: for one thing, don't want to fucking be buried in

1816
01:43:09,080 --> 01:43:11,840
Speaker 11: a mass grave. And if we're going to put something

1817
01:43:11,920 --> 01:43:15,439
Speaker 11: in that grave, better it be the class system itself.

1818
01:43:16,360 --> 01:43:19,799
Speaker 11: And that's a world worth fighting for. The world where

1819
01:43:19,840 --> 01:43:22,599
Speaker 11: there are no grave diggers, where there are no mass graves,

1820
01:43:22,880 --> 01:43:25,280
Speaker 11: where the state and the landlord don't throw you on

1821
01:43:25,320 --> 01:43:29,120
Speaker 11: the street in the night, where you can live in

1822
01:43:29,160 --> 01:43:32,720
Speaker 11: your community and not be run out, where you have

1823
01:43:32,840 --> 01:43:35,120
Speaker 11: your healthcare, and you are able to be the person

1824
01:43:35,360 --> 01:43:38,759
Speaker 11: that you want to be. And that world is winnable.

1825
01:43:39,760 --> 01:43:41,960
Speaker 11: All that is left is to fight for it.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to it. Could happen here. I show about things

1827
01:43:57,640 --> 01:44:01,839
Speaker 3: falling apart and putting them back together. I'm Garrison Davis.

1828
01:44:02,080 --> 01:44:05,759
Speaker 3: This episode is on probably the most controversial mid term

1829
01:44:05,800 --> 01:44:10,360
Speaker 3: election happening this year, the US Senate race in Maine,

1830
01:44:11,040 --> 01:44:14,280
Speaker 3: where the new Democratic nominee Graham Platner is running to

1831
01:44:14,400 --> 01:44:18,840
Speaker 3: end the thirty year reign of Republican Senator Susan Collins,

1832
01:44:19,360 --> 01:44:23,880
Speaker 3: who brands herself as a moderate, independent leaning Republican but

1833
01:44:24,040 --> 01:44:28,240
Speaker 3: is consistently backed Trump's on popular policies while holding on

1834
01:44:28,320 --> 01:44:31,639
Speaker 3: to power. Beating Susan Collins would be a key part

1835
01:44:31,720 --> 01:44:35,680
Speaker 3: of taking the Senate away from the Republicans. Much of

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01:44:35,720 --> 01:44:39,519
Speaker 3: the media coverage and discussion of this election has focused

1837
01:44:39,560 --> 01:44:43,720
Speaker 3: on the scandals relating to Graham Platner's personal life, with

1838
01:44:44,040 --> 01:44:48,080
Speaker 3: very little on the real relations of his campaign, the

1839
01:44:48,120 --> 01:44:51,240
Speaker 3: political platform he's running, on the relations between him and

1840
01:44:51,400 --> 01:44:56,200
Speaker 3: organized labor unions and working class maners. Platter's campaign has

1841
01:44:56,200 --> 01:45:01,559
Speaker 3: attracted overwhelming support from voters in Maine despite the series

1842
01:45:01,600 --> 01:45:05,720
Speaker 3: of well reported personal controversies the Nazi links tattoo he

1843
01:45:05,720 --> 01:45:09,000
Speaker 3: got his a marine, old offensive reddit posts, marital issues,

1844
01:45:09,040 --> 01:45:12,120
Speaker 3: relationship issues, and an ext girlfriend who worked at the

1845
01:45:12,120 --> 01:45:16,799
Speaker 3: Heritage Foundation accusing him of quote unquote disturbing behavior after

1846
01:45:16,880 --> 01:45:20,280
Speaker 3: he got out of the military. Mainstream outlets have covered

1847
01:45:20,280 --> 01:45:24,360
Speaker 3: those at length. This episode, I'm going to narrowly focus

1848
01:45:24,520 --> 01:45:28,439
Speaker 3: on the relations of Grand Platner's campaign. I'll start by

1849
01:45:28,479 --> 01:45:32,120
Speaker 3: going over his campaign platform, then his ties to labor

1850
01:45:32,200 --> 01:45:36,880
Speaker 3: unions and community organizing, and finally, how those ties set

1851
01:45:36,920 --> 01:45:40,880
Speaker 3: up his campaign for massive success in the Democratic primary.

1852
01:45:41,479 --> 01:45:45,519
Speaker 3: Platner calls himself a new deal Democrat, and, like Bernie Sanders,

1853
01:45:45,520 --> 01:45:48,919
Speaker 3: believes we need a quote unquote political revolution in this country.

1854
01:45:49,560 --> 01:45:51,640
Speaker 3: He wants to shake up the Supreme Court, increase the

1855
01:45:51,680 --> 01:45:56,360
Speaker 3: federal minimum wage, and ban billionaires from buying elections. His

1856
01:45:56,400 --> 01:45:59,320
Speaker 3: platform is also designed to address the concerns of working

1857
01:45:59,360 --> 01:46:04,760
Speaker 3: class Mayer like declining manufacturing, decaying infrastructure, closing hospitals, and

1858
01:46:04,840 --> 01:46:09,479
Speaker 3: spiking energy costs. Platinir supports universal health care and ultimately

1859
01:46:09,479 --> 01:46:12,760
Speaker 3: wants to pass a Medicare for all type system, while

1860
01:46:12,800 --> 01:46:17,479
Speaker 3: pointing to how the country could build on the VA model, saying, quote,

1861
01:46:17,800 --> 01:46:20,559
Speaker 3: the level of healthcare I've received with Maine's excellent VA

1862
01:46:20,680 --> 01:46:25,320
Speaker 3: system should be available to all on quote we all

1863
01:46:25,360 --> 01:46:28,040
Speaker 3: know that going up against for profit healthcare will be

1864
01:46:28,200 --> 01:46:32,240
Speaker 3: a hard battle to win. His platform contains a list

1865
01:46:32,280 --> 01:46:36,040
Speaker 3: of policies that will start to break up healthcare monopolies

1866
01:46:36,080 --> 01:46:40,599
Speaker 3: and crack down on pharma corruption, like banning insurance companies

1867
01:46:40,600 --> 01:46:43,960
Speaker 3: and private equity from buying medical practices and hospitals, and

1868
01:46:44,000 --> 01:46:48,040
Speaker 3: banning prescription drug advertising Platina says he wants to expand

1869
01:46:48,240 --> 01:46:51,880
Speaker 3: Medicare and MEDICAIDS power to negotiate drug prices, allow the

1870
01:46:51,880 --> 01:46:54,720
Speaker 3: import of low cost prescription drugs from other markets, and

1871
01:46:54,840 --> 01:46:57,960
Speaker 3: ban stock buybacks, and impose a cap on executive compensation

1872
01:46:58,040 --> 01:47:02,320
Speaker 3: for pharmaceutical companies that receive public funds. His platform calls

1873
01:47:02,360 --> 01:47:06,360
Speaker 3: to direct federal funds to reopen recently closed hospitals, birthing units,

1874
01:47:06,360 --> 01:47:11,479
Speaker 3: and clinics, establish a national public drug manufacturing sector, make

1875
01:47:11,600 --> 01:47:15,519
Speaker 3: Medicare telehealth coverage permanent reverse doge cuts to the via

1876
01:47:16,120 --> 01:47:19,719
Speaker 3: national legislation, mandating a safe level of nurse to patient ratios,

1877
01:47:19,760 --> 01:47:24,280
Speaker 3: to counter chronic hospital understaffing, and to open a new

1878
01:47:24,280 --> 01:47:27,840
Speaker 3: medical school at University Maine. A large part of Grand

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Speaker 3: Platner's policy platform is focused on protecting democracy by keeping

1880
01:47:32,800 --> 01:47:37,320
Speaker 3: money out of elections. Quote. Democracy cannot function when wealth

1881
01:47:37,360 --> 01:47:41,439
Speaker 3: buys power. Since Citizens United unlimited, dark money has flooded

1882
01:47:41,439 --> 01:47:46,120
Speaker 3: American politics, giving billionaires and special interests enormous influence unquote,

1883
01:47:47,000 --> 01:47:50,640
Speaker 3: Platnair wants to overturn Citizens United, either through a constitutional

1884
01:47:50,640 --> 01:47:54,240
Speaker 3: amendment or a different Supreme Court. More on that later.

1885
01:47:54,720 --> 01:47:58,520
Speaker 3: He also campaigns on banning congressional stock trading, and advocates

1886
01:47:58,520 --> 01:48:03,200
Speaker 3: that former members of Congress should be banned from congressional lobbying. Quote.

1887
01:48:03,400 --> 01:48:07,160
Speaker 3: Public service should never become a pathway to private affluence unquote.

1888
01:48:07,520 --> 01:48:11,479
Speaker 3: Platner supports mandating congressional term limits two for the Senate

1889
01:48:11,520 --> 01:48:14,640
Speaker 3: and six for the House, and at a minimum, returning

1890
01:48:14,680 --> 01:48:19,320
Speaker 3: to the talking filibuster. His platform also includes congressional representation

1891
01:48:19,479 --> 01:48:22,880
Speaker 3: for everyone in the country quote unquote, including in places

1892
01:48:23,000 --> 01:48:27,080
Speaker 3: like Washington, d c. As for the Supreme Court, Platner

1893
01:48:27,120 --> 01:48:30,320
Speaker 3: wants to pack the court and end lifetime appointments with

1894
01:48:30,439 --> 01:48:34,920
Speaker 3: staggered time limited terms. He's also in favor of impeaching

1895
01:48:35,120 --> 01:48:38,280
Speaker 3: justices on the Supreme Court by quote holding the Court

1896
01:48:38,360 --> 01:48:41,960
Speaker 3: to the same ethic standards we hold all other federal

1897
01:48:42,040 --> 01:48:46,960
Speaker 3: judges unquote. Platine supports passing a constitutional amendment to quote

1898
01:48:47,120 --> 01:48:52,840
Speaker 3: prohibit partisan jerrymandering and require independent redistricting commissions to draw

1899
01:48:52,960 --> 01:48:56,439
Speaker 3: their maps, which he says would keep elected officials more

1900
01:48:56,439 --> 01:49:01,920
Speaker 3: accountable and make voters voices stronger. To combat anti labor

1901
01:49:02,080 --> 01:49:05,439
Speaker 3: legislation like the Taft Hartley Act, Plantner wants to strengthen

1902
01:49:05,439 --> 01:49:09,000
Speaker 3: our quote unquote right to organize by passing the Protecting

1903
01:49:09,080 --> 01:49:12,320
Speaker 3: the Right to Organize Act, which would crack down on

1904
01:49:12,439 --> 01:49:16,240
Speaker 3: union busting by issuing significant penalties and override right to

1905
01:49:16,320 --> 01:49:20,200
Speaker 3: work laws. Planner also supports creating a union job requirement

1906
01:49:20,240 --> 01:49:24,759
Speaker 3: for all jobs funded by federal dollars. In interviews, Plantner

1907
01:49:24,800 --> 01:49:28,400
Speaker 3: is advocated for something akin to FDR's proposed Economic Bill

1908
01:49:28,439 --> 01:49:31,559
Speaker 3: of Rights. Quote. In order to democratize our economy, we

1909
01:49:31,600 --> 01:49:35,839
Speaker 3: need to provide as rights things like housing, healthcare, education,

1910
01:49:36,120 --> 01:49:39,080
Speaker 3: and collective bargaining unquote. He also wants to pass the

1911
01:49:39,120 --> 01:49:42,920
Speaker 3: Equal Rights Amendment to protect against sex discrimination, while addressing

1912
01:49:42,960 --> 01:49:46,639
Speaker 3: how communities of color, LGBTQ, Americans, and immigrants have had

1913
01:49:46,800 --> 01:49:49,759
Speaker 3: the legal protections that were meant to guarantee them equal

1914
01:49:49,880 --> 01:49:53,839
Speaker 3: rights quote turned against them instead of working in their defense.

1915
01:49:54,439 --> 01:49:57,720
Speaker 3: We need a twenty first century constitution that restores the

1916
01:49:57,760 --> 01:50:01,200
Speaker 3: original purpose of these guarantees equal rights under the law

1917
01:50:01,240 --> 01:50:05,320
Speaker 3: protected for every person in this country unquote. His policy

1918
01:50:05,320 --> 01:50:11,320
Speaker 3: platform includes passing federal LGBTQ anti discrimination legislation and calls

1919
01:50:11,360 --> 01:50:15,320
Speaker 3: out Democrats for quote unquote peddling soft bigotry to pander

1920
01:50:15,400 --> 01:50:19,879
Speaker 3: to Trump voters. One of Platner's most in depth policy

1921
01:50:19,920 --> 01:50:24,280
Speaker 3: pages is for his billionaire tax plan, which he says

1922
01:50:24,360 --> 01:50:27,960
Speaker 3: represents quote the bare minimum of what I believe we

1923
01:50:27,960 --> 01:50:32,799
Speaker 3: should expect a democratic Congress under our next president to pass.

1924
01:50:33,479 --> 01:50:36,840
Speaker 3: Plantner believes that income taxes alone quote cannot address the

1925
01:50:36,880 --> 01:50:40,120
Speaker 3: massive concentration of wealth in the hands of a few.

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Speaker 3: Only a tax on wealth can do so. He promotes

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Speaker 3: a five to six percent annual tax on wealth over

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Speaker 3: one billion dollars, as well as taxing capital gains the

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Speaker 3: same as wages, quadrupling taxes on stock buybacks, and taxing

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Speaker 3: excessive CEO pay to pressure corporations to reinvest profits back

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Speaker 3: into the workers through higher wages, better benefits, and long

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Speaker 3: term security. On the campaign trail, he's talked with voters

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Speaker 3: about removing the one hundred and sixty seven thousand dollars

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Speaker 3: a year income tax cap on Social Security payments so

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Speaker 3: that the ultra rich contribute to the same payroll tax

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Speaker 3: rate as the rest of us. He also wants to

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Speaker 3: restore the enhanced child tax credit. Platner's tax plan doesn't

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Speaker 3: just include raising taxes on the rich, but closing loopholes

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Speaker 3: make a corporation's use to avoid paying taxes altogether. Quote

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Speaker 3: By closing corporate loopholes. We ensure that the giants who

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Speaker 3: profit off our shared infrastructure, courts, and educated workforce finally

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Speaker 3: pay their way, and that we can sustain investments into schools, safety,

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Speaker 3: and services every community depends on. One way to stop

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Speaker 3: corporate tax dodging is by ending worker misclassification, that is,

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Speaker 3: hiring workers as quote unquote contractors to deprive workers of

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Speaker 3: labor protections and healthcare, while using this misclassification to dodge

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Speaker 3: payroll taxes. Instead of foreign policy dominated by trade agreements

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Speaker 3: that exploits workers and promotes endless war, Platner's platform calls

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Speaker 3: for a new era of American quote unquote economic diplomacy

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Speaker 3: that takes on billionaires who quote defund the societies that

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Speaker 3: made their fortunes possible simply by shuffling money into an

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Speaker 3: offshore account unquote. He advocates a global billionaire minimum tax

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Speaker 3: to quote ensure that extreme wealth is finally reinvested in

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Speaker 3: the public good, regardless of where it is parked unquote.

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Speaker 3: This is based on a proposal by the EU's Internal

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Speaker 3: Tax Observatory. To accomplish this, Platner says, we would need

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Speaker 3: to overhaul global economic institutions, use our leverage as a

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Speaker 3: trading partner, and use international economic diplomacy to target concentrated

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Speaker 3: wealth and coordinate taxes and sanctions on ultra wealthy individuals quote,

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Speaker 3: rather than relying on broad trades actions that harm ordinary people.

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Speaker 3: He also wants to close an inheritance tax loophole by

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Speaker 3: stopping billionaires from passing down their wealth to their errors

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Speaker 3: tax free through buying appreciating assets, borrowing against those assets,

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Speaker 3: and then passing down the assets after they die while

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Speaker 3: avoiding any taxes on the increased asset value. Platner says

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Speaker 3: time for those gains to be taxed too. The tax

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Speaker 3: plan also includes ways to lower taxes for working and

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Speaker 3: middle class Americans. Quote. If we tax millionaires and billionaires

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Speaker 3: at fair levels, we can provide a quote unquote cost

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Speaker 3: of living exemption from federal income tax up to a

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Speaker 3: reasonable threshold for working and middle class Americans. If we

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Speaker 3: stop multinational monopolies from dodging their taxes, we can cut

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Speaker 3: taxes on the small businesses and self employed individuals who

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Speaker 3: are struggling to survive. The federal government could adopt a

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Speaker 3: property tax fairness credit similar to MAINZ that ensures low

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Speaker 3: and middle income families do not pay more than for

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Speaker 3: percent of their income in property taxes by providing a

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Speaker 3: refundable credit, including a fair calculation of rent attributable to

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Speaker 3: property taxes, so that renters are treated equitably un quote.

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Speaker 3: Something we've previously reported on is Platner's opposition to what

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Speaker 3: he calls regressive gas and diesel taxes. Quote. Relying on

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Speaker 3: fossil fuels to fund basic infrastructure does not make sense

1983
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Speaker 3: if we want to reduce fossil fuels used in transportation. Instead,

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Speaker 3: public goods should be financed by progressive general revenues, as

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Speaker 3: outlined in my end billionaire welfare tax plan unquote. Platner

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Speaker 3: notes that an extra two hundred and seventy five billion

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Speaker 3: dollars has supplemented the tax based Highway Trust Fund since

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Speaker 3: two thousand and eight. Platner also supports Rocana's Big Oil

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Speaker 3: Windfall Profits bill that would implement a per barrel tax

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Speaker 3: equal to fifty percent of the difference between the current

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Speaker 3: oil price and the price per barrel last year, and

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Speaker 3: he promotes a national electricity rate freeze by quote, providing

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Speaker 3: direct low cost energy infrastructure financing to any state that

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Speaker 3: freezes or lowers electricity rates for four years, funded by

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Speaker 3: the windfall profits tax and repurposed federal fossil fuel subsidies. Quote.

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Speaker 3: His platform states that the most effective national security project

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Speaker 3: would be a huge buildout of domestic clean energy production,

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Speaker 3: rather than relying on private equity to invest in new

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Speaker 3: clean energy. Plantner supports a National Energy Infrastructure Fund that

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Speaker 3: would issue debt backed by the federal government and quote

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Speaker 3: partner with state lending authorities to provide cheap capital directly

2002
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Speaker 3: to utilities, rural electric cooperatives, public energy authorities, and other

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Speaker 3: developers of low risk clean energy projects unquote. Plantner believes

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Speaker 3: this fund could cut Wall Street speculators out of the equation,

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Speaker 3: help build at scale with union jobs, low lower costs,

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Speaker 3: and pass savings onto rate payers. He also wants the

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Speaker 3: Department Energy to use the Defense Production Act to revive

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Speaker 3: dimestic manufacturing to procure and stockpile critical clean energy technologies.

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Speaker 3: His platform also includes creating a strategic fuel reserve for

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Speaker 3: farmers and fisheries, a national whole home repair program to

2011
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Speaker 3: assist in weatherization, electrification, and heat pumps to lower household

2012
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Speaker 3: bills by partnering with public housing authorities, county programs, and

2013
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Speaker 3: local trade unions. As well as reinvesting the money funnel

2014
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Speaker 3: to big defense contractors back into shipbuilding. On the campaign trail,

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Speaker 3: Platner talks a lot about being a veteran and the

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Speaker 3: various ways that's informed his politics. He's promised to quote,

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Speaker 3: never send Americans into a pointless war, and to solve

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Speaker 3: the issue of a president effectively being able to declare

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Speaker 3: wars but it's not call them wars. Platner is called

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Speaker 3: on Congress to reclaim its war powers and other authorities

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Speaker 3: over the executive. We must pass a new War Powers Act.

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Speaker 3: This say must go for ending the executive's intrusion on

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Speaker 3: congressional powers of the purse, taxation, and other legislative prerogatives. Unquote.

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Speaker 3: We'll talk more about grand Platner's campaign platform and ties

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Speaker 3: to organized labor after this ad break. Welcome back to

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Speaker 3: it could happen here. Democratic nominee for US Senate, grand

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Speaker 3: Platner was interviewed by The New York Times and said

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Speaker 3: that since the end of the Second World War, American

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Speaker 3: foreign policy, our wars and interventions haven't been good for

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Speaker 3: workers or American families. Quote, they often are very good

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Speaker 3: for corporate interests, defense contractors, and people in places of

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Speaker 3: political power who want to use war as a mechanism

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Speaker 3: of protecting their political power unquote. Platter told The Times

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Speaker 3: that he has a complicated relationship with the military, where

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Speaker 3: he's still proud of being a marine, but is ashamed

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Speaker 3: of what's happened in the Middle East and says that

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Speaker 3: the policies and systems orchestrating those wars are quote unquote

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Speaker 3: flawed from the top down, and that he considers himself

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Speaker 3: anti war.

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Speaker 9: But it doesn't matter if you try your best inside

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Speaker 9: of a flawed policy, in a flawed system, it's flawed

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Speaker 9: from the top down. It's bound to fail. It's bound

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Speaker 9: to bring an immense amount of violence upon people who

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Speaker 9: in no way, shape or form are deserving it of it,

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Speaker 9: because I mean, we destroyed a Raq, and we destroyed Afghanistan,

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Speaker 9: and all the suffering, all the killing, all the dying,

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Speaker 9: all the displacement, all of it was we brought that

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Speaker 9: We the United States, did that, and then that I'm

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Speaker 9: ashamed of. The anger that I feel is for the

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Speaker 9: people that sent me, who are frankly still the same

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Speaker 9: people who are sending people off right now to go

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Speaker 9: but be in harms way. So we can start and

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Speaker 9: have the stupid war with Iran.

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Speaker 3: Platner has been clear that Israel is committing a genocide

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Speaker 3: in Gaza and that the US has aided in the

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Speaker 3: genocide of Palestinians. Quote. It is the moral question of

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Speaker 3: our time, and we failed as a nation. Platner believes

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Speaker 3: that Israel should not receive any US tax dollars and

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Speaker 3: has proudly opposed a pack, though he has voice support

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Speaker 3: for sending aid to Ukraine. Platner calls abolishing Ice the

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Speaker 3: quote unquote moderate position, and that he supports a path

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Speaker 3: to citizenship, strong border security, and a quote unquote end

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Speaker 3: to the mass deportation machine. His policy platform says that

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Speaker 3: quote unquote, many multinational corporations have no interest in immigration

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Speaker 3: reform because quote they want illegal workers with no rights

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Speaker 3: who they can pay slave wages and abuse at will.

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Speaker 3: In response to the overturning of Roe v. Wade, which

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Speaker 3: Susan Collins assisted in by voting for Brett Kavanaugh, Platner

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Speaker 3: wants to codify abortion rights and protect privacy rights. His

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Speaker 3: platform states, quote, the Constitution should make clear that Americans

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Speaker 3: have a fundamental right to privacy, including personal medical decisions,

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Speaker 3: control over one's own body and freedom from unjust surveillance.

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Speaker 3: In an age of mass data collection and artificial intelligence,

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Speaker 3: this protection is more important than ever. Platner certainly leans

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Speaker 3: pro gun. He's taught leftist armed self defense classes and

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Speaker 3: owns air fifteens. He doesn't support an assault weapons span,

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Speaker 3: but did back a referendum to create a red flag

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Speaker 3: law in the state of Maine. Other miscellaneous campaign planks

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Speaker 3: include more funding for the Post Office, passing the Postal

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Speaker 3: Banking Act, developing a federal childcare policy for kids under six,

2081
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Speaker 3: defending Medicare access for people with disabilities, strengthening the Clean

2082
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Speaker 3: Air and Clean Water Act, opposing any federal support for

2083
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Speaker 3: private school vouchers, reviving federal support for housing something like

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Speaker 3: the VA Home Loan program for more Americans, banning hedge

2085
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Speaker 3: funds from buying homes through legislation like the End Hedge

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Speaker 3: Fund Control of American Homes Act, and legalizing cannabis and

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Speaker 3: clemency for people caught up in the War on Drugs.

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Speaker 3: That is a long list of policies, goals, and prospective

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Speaker 3: legislation that would be no easy task to enact. Some

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Speaker 3: would mean a fundamental transformation in American politics and the

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Speaker 3: world economy. Platner knows that not everything in his platform

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Speaker 3: can be passed overnight, but says that Democrats need a

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Speaker 3: strategic vision to fight for, telling the Main Monitor quote,

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Speaker 3: I'll be the first one to say that me being

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Speaker 3: in the Senate as the junior senator from Maine is

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Speaker 3: not going to get us medicare for There is this

2097
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Speaker 3: sort of establishment pushback where people are often like, well,

2098
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Speaker 3: you're not gonna be able to do that immediately, Like, well, no, shit,

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Speaker 3: that's what power building is, That's what a long term

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Speaker 3: plan is unquote. In interviews, Platner often talks about his

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Speaker 3: quote unquote theory of power and how the Democratic Party

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Speaker 3: has quote never been able to articulate what it's trying

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Speaker 3: to do, like what's the end goal. It never really

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Speaker 3: articulates a clear set of policies to get us there,

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Speaker 3: and then never seems to want to wield power to

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Speaker 3: make those policies a reality unquote. Plattner told The New

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Speaker 3: York Times that Democratic Party leadership has failed the moment,

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Speaker 3: that the party needs new leadership and that Chuck Schumer

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Speaker 3: should be replaced. Of course, candidates can say anything to

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Speaker 3: get elected. We've all seen politicians run on populist platforms,

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Speaker 3: only to then serve lobbyists, corporate interests, and themselves once

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Speaker 3: in office. Trump himself first ran as a populist outsider

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Speaker 3: despite being a billionaire. Senator John Fetterman also comes to mind, though.

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Speaker 3: The only thing that really made Harvard graduate John Fetterman

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Speaker 3: and quote unquote outsider was that he wore a hoodie

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Speaker 3: and head stupid facial hair. Prior to his Senate campaign,

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Speaker 3: he served as mayor of Braddock for thirteen years and

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Speaker 3: lieutenant governor for four. Fetterman also claims that suffering a

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Speaker 3: stroke quote unquote liberated him from quote unquote progressivism. All

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Speaker 3: is to say, John Fetterman and Graham Plattner's respective backgrounds

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Speaker 3: are quite different. But obviously words and promises aren't enough

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Speaker 3: to measure a candidate's worth. One must look deeper at

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Speaker 3: the ties to local communities and organizations that might inform

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Speaker 3: a candidate's political platform and facilitate their ability to run

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Speaker 3: for office. To quote Graham Platner, we need to build

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Speaker 3: play power through getting people like me into the US Senate,

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Speaker 3: into Congress, and we also need to do it while

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Speaker 3: building organizational power outside of this system. There's never been

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Speaker 3: a moment in American history where we've gotten good things

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Speaker 3: just because the institutions or people in power decided to

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Speaker 3: do it. They need to be pressed. I mean, this

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Speaker 3: is honestly why the country has killed the labor movement.

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Speaker 3: We did it on purpose. We did it because the

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Speaker 3: labor movement is the foundation of power that can actually

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Speaker 3: like push back against this system. Unquote. Grand Platner is

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Speaker 3: only running for Senate because last summer the afl CIO,

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Speaker 3: along with other local labor unions, we're looking to put

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Speaker 3: up a candidate to run against Susan Collins on a

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Speaker 3: working class platform. In July twenty twenty five, candidate scouts

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Speaker 3: showed up outside Platner's door asking him to run for Senate.

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Speaker 3: Platner says he and his wife told them to quote

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Speaker 3: unquote fuck off. The scouts, including progressive strategists Daniel Moroff,

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Speaker 3: had learned about Platner from a video he was in

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Speaker 3: a few years ago about community organizing against a corporate

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Speaker 3: Norwegian salmon farm that was trying to move in to

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Speaker 3: their bay.

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Speaker 9: My daily grind is coming out in the morning, cleaning

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Speaker 9: equipment and tying knots and fixing rope and fixing line

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02:05:17,760 --> 02:05:22,000
Speaker 9: and fixing boats, and cleaning oysters and listening to podcasts.

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Speaker 9: My name is Graham Plattner and I live in Sullivan, Maine,

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Speaker 9: the owner of Frenchman Bay Oyster Company. Born and raised

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Speaker 9: here in Sullivan. I grew up three houses down from

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Speaker 9: the house I currently live in.

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Speaker 3: Bank Or Daily News reported that in July, Platner spoke

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Speaker 3: with Jason Shedlock, the president of the main State Building

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Speaker 3: and Construction Trades Council, via zoom to quote talk about

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Speaker 3: the potential run while working on his oyster boat. About

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Speaker 3: a week after first knocking on his door, the campaign

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Speaker 3: scouts showed up again, but this time with a detailed

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Speaker 3: plan and the connections to get a camp pagn up

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Speaker 3: and running. Union support helped provide resources to shoot a

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Speaker 3: launch video, facilitate small dollar fundraising, and get Platner's name

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02:06:10,080 --> 02:06:13,480
Speaker 3: in local papers. He had never run for office before,

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Speaker 3: but did serve as the harbor master and chair of

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Speaker 3: the Planning Board for the town of Sullivan. In terms

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Speaker 3: of Platner's own working class or middle class background, Platner's

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02:06:25,560 --> 02:06:28,440
Speaker 3: father was a lawyer in rural Maine, and his mom

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Speaker 3: was a small business owner who currently owns a local

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Speaker 3: restaurant as a kid. His family got a financial aid

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Speaker 3: package for a fancy private school in Connecticut, but Plattner

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Speaker 3: got himself kicked out after three months and then went

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Speaker 3: back to Maine. After xiting the military, he worked as

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Speaker 3: a bartender while going to university in DC, dropped out,

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Speaker 3: then worked as a private military contractor for six months

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Speaker 3: at the embassy in Afghanistan. While there, Platner says he

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Speaker 3: got deeply disillusioned with government corruption and the military industrial complex.

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Speaker 3: Quit moved back to Maine, started working at a friend's

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Speaker 3: oyster farm, and got into local organizing. In a less

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Speaker 3: reported on a Reddit post made by Graham Plattner, he

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Speaker 3: credited late political commentator Michael Brooks with moving him towards

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02:07:20,240 --> 02:07:24,400
Speaker 3: left wing, working class politics around twenty nineteen to twenty twenty.

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02:07:25,000 --> 02:07:28,440
Speaker 3: Platner also made Reddit posts about being an anti fascist.

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Speaker 3: The Senate campaign launched in mid August, and in just

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Speaker 3: nine days it raised one million dollars, with an average

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Speaker 3: donation of thirty three dollars. Ninety eight percent of the

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Speaker 3: donations were under one hundred dollars. During its first week,

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Speaker 3: the campaign was attracting three hundred volunteers per day. Pretty soon,

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Speaker 3: the campaign attracted the attention of Bernie Sanders, who comes

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Speaker 3: September invited Platner to speak on his upcoming Fight Oligarchy

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Speaker 3: tour and has continued to campaign with and back Platner

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Speaker 3: while Governor Janet Mills was recruited by Chuck Schumer to

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Speaker 3: beat Platner in the Democratic primary. From early on in

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Speaker 3: the race, Plattner had received backing from local labor unions.

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Speaker 3: Beyond the main AFL CIO, Platner has received endorsements from

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Speaker 3: Iron Workers Local seven, National Nurses United Maine State Nurses Association,

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Speaker 3: American Postal Workers Local four five eight, the National Postal

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Speaker 3: Mail Handlers Local three oh one, the Electrical Workers Union

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Speaker 3: Local two three two seven, the International Federation of Professional

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Speaker 3: and Technical Engineers, Main State Council of Building and Construction Trades,

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Speaker 3: North Atlantic States, Regional Council of Carpenters, Carpenter's Local three

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Speaker 3: four nine and three five two, Painters and Allied Trades

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Speaker 3: DC thirty five Massachusetts and Northern New England Labours and

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Speaker 3: District Council Mill Rights Local one one two one, Labourer's

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Speaker 3: International Union of North America Local three two seven six

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Speaker 3: six eight, and nine seven six, Teamster's Local three forty,

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Speaker 3: and the United Auto Workers, who represents nearly two thousand

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Speaker 3: workers in Maine, including marine draftsman at the Bath Iron Works,

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Speaker 3: nonprofit employees, workers at the Portland Museum of Art, and

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Speaker 3: graduate employees across the University of Maine system. In their endorsement,

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Speaker 3: UAW Region nine A director Brandon Mansilla said, quote, Graham

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Speaker 3: Platner has emerged as a voice for the people of Maine,

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Speaker 3: fed up with the corrupting influence of the oligarchy and

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Speaker 3: money in our politics. More importantly, he's building a mass

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Speaker 3: movement that will not only power his campaign, but will

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Speaker 3: be ready to take on the challenges facing working families

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Speaker 3: in Maine and across the country once in office. Our

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Speaker 3: members are ready to hit the ground running with Graham's

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Speaker 3: campaign and take back the power for Maine's working class. Unquote.

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Speaker 3: Platner has said he wanted this campaign to be an

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Speaker 3: extension of the local community organizing that he and his

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Speaker 3: wife were already engaged in. Telling the main monitor the

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Speaker 3: campaign is a quote organizing strategy first and an electoral

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Speaker 3: strategy second. For the past few years, Platner is organized

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Speaker 3: with a mutual aid and community activist group called Arcadia

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Speaker 3: Action and was named in local news coverage for organizing

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Speaker 3: a protest after Trump was reelected. The protest focused on

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Speaker 3: quote the preservation of constitutional rights, support for Ukraine, and

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Speaker 3: protecting transgender maners. Platner was also an active member of

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Speaker 3: the Panopsicate County chapter of the Mainz People's Alliance, the

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Speaker 3: largest quote unquote progressive community action organization in the state,

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Speaker 3: which claims to have more than thirty two thousand members.

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Speaker 3: As a member of the main People's Alliance, Platner traveled

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Speaker 3: to Washington, DC a couple of years ago for a

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Speaker 3: march to protest access to healthcare, and since then has

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Speaker 3: been doing grassroots community organizing in Hannock County. According to

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Speaker 3: the organization, the member led board of directors of Maine

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Speaker 3: People's Alliance voted unanimously to endorse Graham Platner to quote

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Speaker 3: the announcement Maine People's Alliance board co chair Gina Morin.

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Speaker 3: They them said, quote, listening to Platner during interviews in

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Speaker 3: town halls, it is clear that he addresses the critical

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Speaker 3: issues affecting our country and specifically Maine. He speaks directly

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Speaker 3: to the reality that the top one percent are hoarding

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Speaker 3: wealth while the middle class and the poor are left

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Speaker 3: to go without. He's also addressed the need to fix

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Speaker 3: the same issues that we have been working on for years,

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Speaker 3: such as health care, affordability, the housing crisis, and immigrant rights.

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Speaker 3: His activism drove him to seek this office out of frustration.

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Speaker 3: His values and dedication are what align him with the

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Speaker 3: Main People's Alliance. Unquote. The organization said back in February

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Speaker 3: that Platner has been quote active and vocal in resisting

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Speaker 3: IS's presence here in May and has been calling on

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Speaker 3: our members of Congress to do more to protect everyone

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Speaker 3: in Maine and across the country from ICE's violent, racist tactics.

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Speaker 3: Main People's Alliance board member Sean Donnelly said, quote. Graham

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Speaker 3: names the oligarchy and corporate greed as the true enemies

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Speaker 3: of progress in Washington, and he understands that the only

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Speaker 3: way to defeat them is through grassroots organizing. His personal

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Speaker 3: story of finding purpose through his community and activism has

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Speaker 3: the power to inspire many who may feel angry, disconnected,

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Speaker 3: or hopeless about politics. Graham is a talented leader whose values, vision,

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Speaker 3: and strategy are aligned with the mission of the Main

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Speaker 3: People's Alliance quote. Following the primary, the Planned Parenthood Action

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Speaker 3: Fund endorsed Platner over Susan Collins, who was one of

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Speaker 3: the deciding votes and sending Brett Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court.

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Speaker 3: And last week, the Main Service Employees Association, which represents

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Speaker 3: more than thirteen thousand active and retired public service workers

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Speaker 3: in the state, formally endorsed Graham Platner. So why are

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Speaker 3: these endorsements and community ties important? These relations are what

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Speaker 3: a working class campaign's political platform emerges from, and this

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Speaker 3: community voting block is a mechanism to hold working class

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Speaker 3: candidates accountable to their constituents. Platner has told The New

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Speaker 3: York Times that he's a quote firm believer that organized

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Speaker 3: people is the only actual place of power to conflict

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Speaker 3: with organized money, and in our society, money is very

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Speaker 3: organized unquote. He echoed this sentiment at a campaign rally

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Speaker 3: covered by more Perfect Union.

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Speaker 9: Politics is about power, and in this society, power is

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Speaker 9: either organized money or its organized people. And the money

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Speaker 9: is organized. It always has been and it always will

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Speaker 9: be until we organize enough people to pull it back.

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Speaker 3: In May, Platner told John Stewart that getting someone like

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Speaker 3: him elected quote needs to be in tandem with a

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Speaker 3: fully organized, broad based coalition here in the state of

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Speaker 3: Maine that can put pressure on members of our delegation

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Speaker 3: if need be, because it's not going to be enough

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Speaker 3: to just rely on the systems. Quote. Two days before

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Speaker 3: the primary election, Platner spoke at a town hall about

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Speaker 3: building a Senate office that prioritizes a relationship with labor

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Speaker 3: unions rather than the owners of the industries that labor

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Speaker 3: works in a Senate office where a worker, labor organizer,

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Speaker 3: or civil rights representative should get more face to face

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Speaker 3: time with a Senator than any lobbyist.

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Speaker 9: I very much believe that we need to connect that

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Speaker 9: kind of local organizing work directly to a Senate office

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Speaker 9: in DC. So something like I used to have been

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Speaker 9: an organizer with Main People's Alliance before, and I firmly

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Speaker 9: believe that we need closer coordination between community organizations and

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Speaker 9: vil mental organizations frankly, all of the organizing groups around

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Speaker 9: Maine with institutional power, because I do think that that's

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Speaker 9: history tends to show that you're most successful when outside

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Speaker 9: organizing is working in tandem with institutional power. That tends

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Speaker 9: to be when we get the most significant wins.

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Speaker 3: I'll come back to discuss how the Platner campaign was

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Speaker 3: actually run after this ad break. Welcome back to what

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Speaker 3: could happen here. This past April, one of Platner's former

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Speaker 3: high school classmates turned journalist named Josh Keef wrote an

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Speaker 3: article for The Main Monitor about why Platner's campaign has

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Speaker 3: been so successful in Maine. The Platner told his former

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Speaker 3: classmate that the campaign is being run like a community

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Speaker 3: organizing project. Quote. This kind of campaign and kind of

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Speaker 3: politics with an organizing focus. This doesn't work if you

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Speaker 3: just run TV ads. My background is in organizing and

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Speaker 3: I want to take that on the road as a candidate.

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Speaker 3: And the only way it ever works is by going

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Speaker 3: out and engaging with people directly. You got to like

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Speaker 3: not sleep unquote. Direct person to person engagement has been

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Speaker 3: the hallmark of Platner's campaign strategy here. Age is certainly

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Speaker 3: playing a factor in the race. Platner is forty one,

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Speaker 3: Janet Mills is seventy eight, and Susan Collins is seventy three.

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Speaker 3: Platner's younger age is not just compelling to voters who

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Speaker 3: want a younger generation of candidates, but it also impacts

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Speaker 3: how he can campaign. Platter is effectively campaigning full time,

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Speaker 3: making three to six campaign appearances a day, while his

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Speaker 3: business partner handles the oyster farm. From late September to

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Speaker 3: the early June primary, his campaign held eighty three town

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Speaker 3: hall events across the state, pulling in hundreds of people

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Speaker 3: per event and filling out community venues. In comparison, Susan

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Speaker 3: Collins has not held a single public town hall meeting

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Speaker 3: in over twenty five years. Janet Mills didn't even release

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Speaker 3: a policy platform until April. Platner told more Perfect Union quote,

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Speaker 3: people want to hear about the future, People want to

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Speaker 3: hear about your policies, and people also want access to

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Speaker 3: you so they can figure out if you're full of

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Speaker 3: shit or not. Unquote. Considering the smaller size of Maine,

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Speaker 3: come the November election, there's a good chance Platner will

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Speaker 3: have spoken face to face with nearly every voter in

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Speaker 3: the state. At these town halls, he often talks about power,

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Speaker 3: how working class power won the New Deal, and how

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Speaker 3: since the seventies, cooport interests have been undermining that power

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Speaker 3: using money to influence policy. At an event in Freiburg, Maine,

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Speaker 3: Platner said, quote, we are the richest society in the

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Speaker 3: history of humanity. We can have universal health care. We

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Speaker 3: can have universal childcare. We can have universal education going

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Speaker 3: from kindergarten all the way through higher education. We can

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Speaker 3: have a tax code that pulls back the wealth that

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Speaker 3: was stolen from the working class of this country for

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Speaker 3: the past fifty years. What we need to do is

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Speaker 3: from the ground up, build power the old fashioned way.

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Speaker 3: This comes from organizing unquote. Platner's campaign has helped with

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Speaker 3: other local electoral and legislative efforts, and The Main Monitor

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Speaker 3: reported that Platner's events often serve as locations for quote

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Speaker 3: food donation drop offs. He is frequently introduced by a

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Speaker 3: local activist who gets to talk about their work unquote.

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Speaker 3: Platner told the Main Monitor, quote, we really have to

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Speaker 3: fundamentally understand and that no one is coming to save us.

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Speaker 3: And the only way to build that power on your

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Speaker 3: own is here in the real world, face to face

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Speaker 3: with your neighbors, building trust in relationships again unquote. Platner

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Speaker 3: has also said that building that kind of outside power

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Speaker 3: is also how to find more people to run for

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Speaker 3: office and gather the resources needed to get them elected

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Speaker 3: to take power in an interview with John Stewart, Platner

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Speaker 3: said that because the US Senate is in many ways

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Speaker 3: a uniquely undemocratic institution quote set up to be a

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Speaker 3: specific bulwark against working class people to protect the elites,

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Speaker 3: that actually makes it a quote unquote unique place of

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Speaker 3: power if candidates with strong ties to working class communities

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Speaker 3: can occupy those seats. Following their historic loss in twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty four, the Democratic Party establishment has been in a

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Speaker 3: uniquely weak position, opening up the opportunity to address the

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Speaker 3: shoes that have led the party into national irrelevancy. Graham

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Speaker 3: Plattner lays blame on the Democrats abandoning the working class,

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Speaker 3: and that doesn't just mean white construction workers, but the

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Speaker 3: actual multicultural, multi racial working class wage workers and those

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02:20:17,360 --> 02:20:20,680
Speaker 3: who cannot live off their investments. For the past forty years,

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Speaker 3: the party has abandoned organized labor and begun catering to

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Speaker 3: upper middle class professionals and has become a party of

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Speaker 3: the elites and ivy leagues. In the United States, there

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02:20:31,080 --> 02:20:34,080
Speaker 3: are a lot of people who don't vote based on

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02:20:34,440 --> 02:20:38,880
Speaker 3: an ideology they hold, but in response to what's happening

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Speaker 3: in their communities. Hospitals closing jobs, disappearing groceries and utility

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02:20:44,160 --> 02:20:47,039
Speaker 3: is getting more expensive. Why would they vote for a

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02:20:47,080 --> 02:20:50,800
Speaker 3: party that says everything is fine, The economy is technically

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02:20:50,800 --> 02:20:55,199
Speaker 3: doing great. The Democratic establishment has wagered that voters would

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02:20:55,240 --> 02:20:59,080
Speaker 3: rather protect the system rather than change it, and in

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty four that wager was proven wrong. People want change,

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Speaker 3: even if that change is being promised by a billionaire

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02:21:07,360 --> 02:21:11,520
Speaker 3: charlatan whose real interest is in serving the upper class

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Speaker 3: and tech companies. But for as many people who decided

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Speaker 3: to vote for Trump, there were many others who saw

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02:21:18,160 --> 02:21:22,440
Speaker 3: through the charade but were so disillusioned by party politics

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Speaker 3: that they chose not to vote at all. Plattner's campaign

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02:21:26,920 --> 02:21:29,840
Speaker 3: has made itself not just about taking on Trump or

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02:21:29,879 --> 02:21:34,600
Speaker 3: even Susan Collins, but a part of a larger seismic

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Speaker 3: shift the working class reasserting its power and taking back

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Speaker 3: the Democratic Party. To quote the main Monitor, quote, Unlike

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Speaker 3: a Janet Mills, He's not trying to convince voters he

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Speaker 3: will stand up to Trump. He's trying to start a

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Speaker 3: movement to build a world without the despair and resentment

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Speaker 3: that he believes allows Trump's brand of politics to flourish. Unquote.

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Speaker 3: Later at that event in the town of Freiburg, Platner

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02:22:02,520 --> 02:22:06,279
Speaker 3: told the crowd, quote, people when their lives begin to deteriorate,

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02:22:06,360 --> 02:22:09,680
Speaker 3: are going to look for folks to blame. And if

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Speaker 3: we don't have an actual answer, then hatred and xenophobia,

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02:22:13,760 --> 02:22:17,320
Speaker 3: and racism and homophobia and transphobia, all of them will

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02:22:17,360 --> 02:22:20,720
Speaker 3: fill the vacuum. This means we have to go out

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02:22:20,760 --> 02:22:23,360
Speaker 3: in our community and we have to wear our hearts

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02:22:23,440 --> 02:22:29,080
Speaker 3: on our sleeves unquote. Maine has semi open primaries, meaning

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02:22:29,080 --> 02:22:33,600
Speaker 3: that unenrolled voters can vote in a party primary in

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02:22:33,600 --> 02:22:36,240
Speaker 3: the leader to the primary. Platner's campaign at a series

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02:22:36,240 --> 02:22:40,400
Speaker 3: of videos where he gets coffee with Republican leaning voters

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02:22:40,840 --> 02:22:43,920
Speaker 3: and they talk about how their interests are more aligned

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02:22:44,520 --> 02:22:48,039
Speaker 3: compared to the interests of Trump, the billionaire class, and

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02:22:48,360 --> 02:22:52,840
Speaker 3: Susan Collins. Platner himself has said that his rise in

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02:22:52,959 --> 02:22:56,320
Speaker 3: Maine says more about the appetite for a new kind

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02:22:56,360 --> 02:23:01,720
Speaker 3: of politics rather than him specifically as a candidate. But

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02:23:02,080 --> 02:23:05,200
Speaker 3: from the perspective of some voters, the slow drip of

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02:23:05,440 --> 02:23:10,440
Speaker 3: scandals and controversies might actually bolster Platner's image as an

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02:23:10,440 --> 02:23:15,359
Speaker 3: anti establishment candidate. For example, these people interviewed by CNN

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Speaker 3: and MS. Now, are you.

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Speaker 8: Considering holding your breath and voting for him?

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Speaker 11: I got until Tuesday to decide, but I'm pretty sure

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02:23:24,680 --> 02:23:27,039
Speaker 11: i'll vote for him. I don't take a lot of

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02:23:27,040 --> 02:23:28,760
Speaker 11: this crap is anybody else's business.

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Speaker 9: For some Democrats, they're willing to look past the interpersonal stories.

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Speaker 8: I'm not really interested in the guy's Floyd Bules, you know.

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02:23:38,320 --> 02:23:41,360
Speaker 8: I'm interested in his vision and what he has to say,

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02:23:42,160 --> 02:23:44,720
Speaker 8: and I love what he has to say. So, yeah,

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Speaker 8: it's been definitely difficult because everybody is piling on this guy.

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Speaker 12: Does he have a problem at past, Yes, but I

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02:23:52,440 --> 02:23:55,720
Speaker 12: would rather have a redemption story than somebody telling you

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Speaker 12: how wonderful they are, how much research they do.

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02:24:00,680 --> 02:24:03,520
Speaker 3: And yet they still make the wrong decision for the

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Speaker 3: people of me. On election day, June ninth, Platner won

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Speaker 3: seventy one point nine percent of the vote, with one

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02:24:11,680 --> 02:24:16,360
Speaker 3: hundred fifty four thousand and fifty eight votes. Governor Janet Mills,

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02:24:16,360 --> 02:24:19,720
Speaker 3: who stopped campaigning a month and a half prior but

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02:24:19,879 --> 02:24:23,320
Speaker 3: remained on the ballot, one forty one thousand votes, or

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02:24:23,480 --> 02:24:28,680
Speaker 3: nineteen point three percent. Grand Platner won more primary votes

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Speaker 3: than any other Democratic Senate candidate in the history of Maine.

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Speaker 3: As he walked onto the stage for his victory speech,

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02:24:37,080 --> 02:24:41,160
Speaker 3: Dropkick Murphy's cover of Which Side Are You On blaired

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02:24:41,200 --> 02:24:45,240
Speaker 3: in the background. Platner promised, quote, I will be a

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02:24:45,280 --> 02:24:48,680
Speaker 3: senator for the people who cannot afford to buy a senator.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 9: Now, the national pundits, the political establishment, they keep looking

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02:24:55,240 --> 02:25:00,120
Speaker 9: for that one story, that one headline, that one moment

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02:25:00,560 --> 02:25:04,200
Speaker 9: in my life that they can define the campaign by.

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02:25:04,520 --> 02:25:08,320
Speaker 9: But in trying so hard to understand me, they failed

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02:25:08,320 --> 02:25:11,520
Speaker 9: to understand that this is not about me at all.

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Speaker 3: This is a.

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Speaker 9: Movement about us, about the far too many, working far

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02:25:29,080 --> 02:25:32,920
Speaker 9: too hard and struggling far too much at the hands

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Speaker 9: of the ruling class.

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Speaker 3: At a town hall just a few days before the primary,

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Speaker 3: Platner spoke about the need to rebuild our old alliances

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02:25:41,480 --> 02:25:46,240
Speaker 3: with labor union's, community organizations, and civil rights groups. Quote,

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Speaker 3: the only thing that's ever beat fascism is a broad

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02:25:49,720 --> 02:25:54,240
Speaker 3: based working class coalition. Fascism is what we are up against.

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02:25:54,800 --> 02:25:56,520
Speaker 3: I think a lot of the folks at the national

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02:25:56,600 --> 02:26:00,879
Speaker 3: level misunderstand the reason they keep getting everything wrong. They

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02:26:00,920 --> 02:26:02,920
Speaker 3: think this is a race about me, but it isn't.

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Speaker 3: This is a race about us. This is a race

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Speaker 3: about the future of politics in Maine. This is a

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02:26:08,160 --> 02:26:10,360
Speaker 3: race about building power, the old fashioned away from the

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02:26:10,360 --> 02:26:14,720
Speaker 3: ground up, going out into our communities and having hard conversations,

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02:26:15,200 --> 02:26:17,600
Speaker 3: putting in time and energy that many of us do

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02:26:17,720 --> 02:26:21,760
Speaker 3: not have. We've got to do it anyway. So what

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02:26:21,800 --> 02:26:24,280
Speaker 3: I'm asking to do. If you don't want to volunteer

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02:26:24,360 --> 02:26:28,520
Speaker 3: on this campaign, that's fine. Join a labor union, Go

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02:26:28,600 --> 02:26:31,560
Speaker 3: help out at the local food pountry, go help out

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02:26:31,600 --> 02:26:34,720
Speaker 3: at a food bank. It doesn't matter what you do.

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02:26:35,080 --> 02:26:38,480
Speaker 3: What you gotta do something because the moment we're in

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02:26:38,560 --> 02:26:42,879
Speaker 3: right now, it's going to require all of us. Unquote,

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Speaker 3: there were two hundred and fifteen thousand votes in the

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Speaker 3: Democratic primary. Plattner's campaign had fifteen thousand volunteers. These volunteers

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Speaker 3: went up against and beat the Democratic establishment, and now

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02:26:56,600 --> 02:27:01,000
Speaker 3: they face the GOP establishment. This shift in the politics

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02:27:01,040 --> 02:27:04,320
Speaker 3: of the Democratic Party is not isolated to Maine. Democratic

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02:27:04,360 --> 02:27:07,840
Speaker 3: Socialists just won in Washington, DC, and following the election

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02:27:07,879 --> 02:27:12,080
Speaker 3: of Zorammdani, nine more DSA candidates just won the Democratic

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02:27:12,120 --> 02:27:15,560
Speaker 3: primary in New York, including three seats in the US

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02:27:15,600 --> 02:27:20,320
Speaker 3: House of Representatives. But Maine occupies a unique place in

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02:27:20,360 --> 02:27:25,720
Speaker 3: American politics, the stereotypical purple state. Unseating Susan Collins would

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02:27:25,720 --> 02:27:30,600
Speaker 3: prove that real working class politics don't just win liberal cities,

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02:27:31,040 --> 02:27:34,480
Speaker 3: but can take down what Bernie Sanders would call the oligarchy.

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Speaker 9: There's an old saying, as Maine goes, so goes the nation.

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02:27:42,720 --> 02:27:46,080
Speaker 9: If you want to stop if you want to stop

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02:27:46,440 --> 02:27:49,840
Speaker 9: war with Iran in n the Forever Wars, If you

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02:27:49,840 --> 02:27:53,320
Speaker 9: want to give workers the rays they deserve, seniors the

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02:27:53,400 --> 02:27:56,360
Speaker 9: security they worked for. You want to bring back Roe

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02:27:56,440 --> 02:28:01,600
Speaker 9: v Wade. As Maine goes, so goes the nation. If

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02:28:01,600 --> 02:28:05,480
Speaker 9: you want to stop a Trump family slush fund, their ballroom,

2494
02:28:05,840 --> 02:28:09,760
Speaker 9: their deals with Saudi princes and tech oligarchs. If you

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02:28:09,800 --> 02:28:14,600
Speaker 9: want to stop the corruption, as Maine goes, so goes

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02:28:14,640 --> 02:28:18,960
Speaker 9: the nation. If we want to dismantle Ice, win back

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02:28:19,040 --> 02:28:23,960
Speaker 9: the Senate, check Donald Trump's power, and take back hours.

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02:28:24,600 --> 02:28:30,039
Speaker 9: As Maine goes, so goes the nation. Together we will

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Speaker 9: defeat Susan Collins.

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Speaker 3: Grand Platner is slightly ahead in the polls above Susan Collins,

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02:28:37,240 --> 02:28:40,720
Speaker 3: but the race is still quite close. In twenty twenty,

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02:28:40,760 --> 02:28:44,560
Speaker 3: when Collins was facing a challenger, she too was behind

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02:28:44,560 --> 02:28:48,160
Speaker 3: in the polls but still pulled off a victory. That

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02:28:48,160 --> 02:28:50,000
Speaker 3: doesn't for me. Ed, it could happen here.

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Speaker 10: See you on the other side.

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Speaker 3: This is it could happen here. Executive Disorder, our weekly

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02:29:11,400 --> 02:29:14,160
Speaker 3: newscast covering what's happening in the White House, the crumbling world,

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Speaker 3: and what this means for you. I'm Garrison Davis today,

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02:29:16,879 --> 02:29:19,760
Speaker 3: joined by James Stout, Mia Wong, and Robert Evans.

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Speaker 9: Hey.

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Speaker 3: This episode, we are covering the week of June seventeenth

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Speaker 3: to June twenty fourth.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, sho, we start off with some little things.

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02:29:27,680 --> 02:29:30,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's start out with some small things.

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Speaker 13: Mm hmmm, So I guess to begin with the federal

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02:29:33,680 --> 02:29:38,280
Speaker 13: judge Sparkles suit Nananaccheley, who we've heard about before in

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02:29:38,320 --> 02:29:41,840
Speaker 13: the show, has spoked the Trump administration from quote haphazardly

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02:29:41,920 --> 02:29:44,120
Speaker 13: assembling a list of citizens it will be used to

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02:29:44,200 --> 02:29:45,560
Speaker 13: purge voter rolls.

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Speaker 2: Great. Yeah, I'm glad they can't do that haphazardly.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, given the timing right link before the midterms, hopefully

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02:29:54,080 --> 02:29:55,800
Speaker 13: that means that this isn't going to happen in a

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02:29:55,840 --> 02:29:58,879
Speaker 13: way that will impact the midterms. The State Department has

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Speaker 13: announced it's going to begin provoking passports people with outstanding

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02:30:02,360 --> 02:30:05,320
Speaker 13: child support of more than two thousand, five.

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Speaker 7: Hundred United States dollars.

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Speaker 13: They can contact an embassy to get a temporary passport

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Speaker 13: to come back to the US, but they'll only have

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Speaker 13: a full passport resort. I guess if they pay their

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02:30:14,320 --> 02:30:15,800
Speaker 13: standing child support debt.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, I'm wondering what got this to their ears?

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02:30:20,720 --> 02:30:24,480
Speaker 2: How big a problem is this? Again, I'm not against this.

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Speaker 2: I'm just wondering, like, why they moved to do this.

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Speaker 13: I saw it on the Twitter feed of the US

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Speaker 13: Embassy in Nigeria, and I would be interested. And I

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02:30:35,480 --> 02:30:37,320
Speaker 13: don't know how possible this would be to go after

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02:30:37,320 --> 02:30:42,960
Speaker 13: with public records to know which particular embassies are revoking

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02:30:43,080 --> 02:30:46,000
Speaker 13: passports of which particular people, if you.

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Speaker 7: See what I mean.

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02:30:46,720 --> 02:30:50,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think in general, revoking passports is a bad

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02:30:50,840 --> 02:30:52,000
Speaker 3: thing to do.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, I think this isn't the way to go after

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02:30:53,920 --> 02:30:56,199
Speaker 13: the childs. But you are a piece of shit if

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02:30:56,200 --> 02:30:59,240
Speaker 13: you're not playing paying your child support. But I think

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02:30:59,360 --> 02:31:02,840
Speaker 13: generally that the possibility of someone being left like stateless,

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02:31:03,520 --> 02:31:05,240
Speaker 13: you know, that's not how we get to a better

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Speaker 13: world here.

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Speaker 2: I'm just wondering why they're doing this, Like that's that's

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02:31:08,440 --> 02:31:09,920
Speaker 2: about Like this has to be they have to be

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02:31:09,959 --> 02:31:12,280
Speaker 2: targeting somebody with this, Like I don't believe this is

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02:31:12,320 --> 02:31:14,800
Speaker 2: about the problem of like there being a lot of

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02:31:15,280 --> 02:31:17,800
Speaker 2: people who are getting out of child support by fleeing

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02:31:17,800 --> 02:31:20,280
Speaker 2: the country. Like I don't believe that's the motivation here.

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Speaker 2: And I'm kind of curious what it is.

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Speaker 13: I can tell you for sure, but the fact that

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Speaker 13: I saw it is on the Nigeria embassy website. I

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02:31:27,160 --> 02:31:28,920
Speaker 13: mean I can look right now and see what if

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Speaker 13: other embassies posted it. I guess here we go US

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Speaker 13: embassy in Spain. I don't see it on their page

2560
02:31:37,200 --> 02:31:38,000
Speaker 13: for example.

2561
02:31:38,120 --> 02:31:41,160
Speaker 2: Interesting, Okay, it'd be interesting to follow sub Jackson.

2562
02:31:41,280 --> 02:31:44,720
Speaker 13: But yeah, sure, somethink I came across, like you know,

2563
02:31:44,720 --> 02:31:46,160
Speaker 13: about half an hour before we recorded this.

2564
02:31:46,320 --> 02:31:47,120
Speaker 2: No, it's not worthy.

2565
02:31:47,800 --> 02:31:51,720
Speaker 13: A judge has quashed a subpoena aimed at Governor Waltz

2566
02:31:51,720 --> 02:31:55,439
Speaker 13: and their Frey and with other state politicians in Minneapolis,

2567
02:31:55,920 --> 02:31:59,199
Speaker 13: writing quote, this course of events in and of itself

2568
02:31:59,320 --> 02:32:02,200
Speaker 13: establishes beyond a reasonable dispute that the subpoenas were part

2569
02:32:02,200 --> 02:32:05,160
Speaker 13: of a broader campaign to coerce state and local officials

2570
02:32:05,160 --> 02:32:08,560
Speaker 13: in Minnesota to assist their Trump administration in its enforcement

2571
02:32:08,600 --> 02:32:11,640
Speaker 13: of immigration laws. And of course, this campaign played out

2572
02:32:11,680 --> 02:32:14,800
Speaker 13: against a backdrop of the Trump administration's well established history

2573
02:32:15,160 --> 02:32:19,520
Speaker 13: of using criminal investigations to retaliate against and pressure the

2574
02:32:19,600 --> 02:32:23,879
Speaker 13: president's political and personal adversaries. Very clear, everything that Trump

2575
02:32:23,840 --> 02:32:26,439
Speaker 13: adminstras she has done with the DOJ, right, but it's

2576
02:32:26,480 --> 02:32:27,480
Speaker 13: good to see it called out.

2577
02:32:27,520 --> 02:32:30,760
Speaker 7: I guess sure USCAS is.

2578
02:32:30,959 --> 02:32:34,920
Speaker 13: Looking to increase fees for existing permanent residents to naturalize

2579
02:32:34,959 --> 02:32:37,920
Speaker 13: I become US citizens, as well as removing fee waivers

2580
02:32:37,920 --> 02:32:41,400
Speaker 13: for lower income migrants. This will be a barrier to people, right,

2581
02:32:41,560 --> 02:32:42,600
Speaker 13: and that is why it's happening.

2582
02:32:43,000 --> 02:32:44,280
Speaker 2: Yep, A Rep and.

2583
02:32:44,440 --> 02:32:52,039
Speaker 13: A Paulina Luna used clawed aimend legislation. She's deleted her tweet,

2584
02:32:52,120 --> 02:32:54,360
Speaker 13: but I actually posted a link to her tweet on

2585
02:32:54,400 --> 02:32:57,119
Speaker 13: Blue Sky and it still contains like the cached text

2586
02:32:57,160 --> 02:32:58,560
Speaker 13: of the tweet if you want to go read it.

2587
02:32:58,959 --> 02:33:01,600
Speaker 13: She immediately responded by throwing her stuff under a bus.

2588
02:33:01,720 --> 02:33:03,119
Speaker 2: Sure noble, claiming that it.

2589
02:33:03,120 --> 02:33:06,320
Speaker 13: Was not uncommon for stuff to use claude fucking amend

2590
02:33:06,360 --> 02:33:08,000
Speaker 13: national legislation and people.

2591
02:33:07,800 --> 02:33:10,400
Speaker 2: Just don't like to do their job, do you my god?

2592
02:33:10,520 --> 02:33:13,240
Speaker 13: Yeah, it's yeah, I don't know how for hundreds of

2593
02:33:13,280 --> 02:33:16,280
Speaker 13: years people wrote legislation without asking fucking Claude. She left

2594
02:33:16,320 --> 02:33:20,440
Speaker 13: the like it's it had. Claude responded in the text

2595
02:33:20,480 --> 02:33:21,600
Speaker 13: of the bill that that's.

2596
02:33:21,440 --> 02:33:23,400
Speaker 2: Had great stuff.

2597
02:33:23,640 --> 02:33:27,759
Speaker 3: Yeah. Claude is very popular in Washington, DC, like specifically, yeah.

2598
02:33:27,360 --> 02:33:29,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean it's it's widely agreed to be

2599
02:33:29,320 --> 02:33:30,680
Speaker 2: the best of the of the.

2600
02:33:30,760 --> 02:33:32,400
Speaker 7: Chat, the thinking person's chat.

2601
02:33:32,440 --> 02:33:34,280
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, the thinking man's chat.

2602
02:33:34,280 --> 02:33:34,480
Speaker 9: Butt.

2603
02:33:34,840 --> 02:33:37,320
Speaker 3: There is like a weird bizarro universe where you get

2604
02:33:37,360 --> 02:33:42,080
Speaker 3: like the Mark Fisher Claude outputs that writes tons of

2605
02:33:42,160 --> 02:33:46,960
Speaker 3: legislation that gets suddenly passed, where the US Center is

2606
02:33:46,959 --> 02:33:50,800
Speaker 3: a very odd odd time because they kept using this

2607
02:33:50,920 --> 02:33:55,320
Speaker 3: chatbot that really liked like a certain certain writing from

2608
02:33:55,360 --> 02:33:56,080
Speaker 3: certain shit.

2609
02:33:55,959 --> 02:33:58,520
Speaker 2: That people were reading online in two thousand and one.

2610
02:33:59,200 --> 02:34:00,959
Speaker 7: Yeah, have certain see he's baked in.

2611
02:34:01,080 --> 02:34:04,119
Speaker 11: Yeah yeah, I'm having this night mirror image. I'm having

2612
02:34:04,160 --> 02:34:07,040
Speaker 11: this nightmare image of people doing like prompt injection attacks,

2613
02:34:07,080 --> 02:34:11,080
Speaker 11: specifically to like get Claude to like auto spit out

2614
02:34:11,080 --> 02:34:12,279
Speaker 11: certain lines of regulation.

2615
02:34:12,640 --> 02:34:13,080
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2616
02:34:13,160 --> 02:34:18,760
Speaker 13: Yeah, just inserting trans rights into use appropriations.

2617
02:34:17,959 --> 02:34:22,240
Speaker 2: Built Claude amending prescription drug laws to allow me specifically

2618
02:34:22,280 --> 02:34:25,199
Speaker 2: to purchase a lotted over the counter. I can see

2619
02:34:25,240 --> 02:34:27,360
Speaker 2: a lot of good, good places to go here. Yeah,

2620
02:34:27,400 --> 02:34:30,359
Speaker 2: the Evans Amendment, the Evan's Amendment, I just get to call.

2621
02:34:32,040 --> 02:34:33,640
Speaker 7: It can actually be delivered. You don't even have to

2622
02:34:33,680 --> 02:34:34,240
Speaker 7: purchase it.

2623
02:34:34,320 --> 02:34:36,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, they put it in a trash bag for me.

2624
02:34:36,240 --> 02:34:37,920
Speaker 7: Yeah, drop it with the drone.

2625
02:34:38,680 --> 02:34:41,959
Speaker 13: Talking of inserting shit into bills, let's talk about Mike Lee.

2626
02:34:42,040 --> 02:34:45,440
Speaker 13: The only person wors for planet than the sport of golf, Michael.

2627
02:34:45,440 --> 02:34:48,000
Speaker 3: He mentioned two weeks in a row. I'm run three.

2628
02:34:48,400 --> 02:34:50,800
Speaker 13: I'm mentioned in Mike Lee until he stops with this shit.

2629
02:34:50,879 --> 02:34:54,119
Speaker 13: Let me tell you, a bipartisan group of legislators has

2630
02:34:54,160 --> 02:34:56,800
Speaker 13: introduced legislation to block the back door set of public

2631
02:34:56,879 --> 02:34:58,680
Speaker 13: lands through the reconciliation process.

2632
02:34:58,959 --> 02:34:59,279
Speaker 2: Huzzah.

2633
02:35:00,200 --> 02:35:02,400
Speaker 13: They might as well have called this fuck you, Mike Lee.

2634
02:35:02,400 --> 02:35:07,520
Speaker 13: Stopped doing this bill, Mike Like, it is exclusively one

2635
02:35:07,600 --> 02:35:10,120
Speaker 13: the person, Yeah, who is doing this, and it is

2636
02:35:10,200 --> 02:35:10,720
Speaker 13: Mike Lee.

2637
02:35:10,959 --> 02:35:13,720
Speaker 2: The bill equivalent of spritzing a single guy on the

2638
02:35:13,800 --> 02:35:15,200
Speaker 2: nose with a bottle of water.

2639
02:35:17,440 --> 02:35:18,840
Speaker 7: Yeah, he's been slapped down.

2640
02:35:19,680 --> 02:35:22,840
Speaker 13: It's it's interesting to see, like you see less bipartisanship

2641
02:35:22,879 --> 02:35:25,600
Speaker 13: than he used to but no one likes Mike Lee

2642
02:35:25,600 --> 02:35:28,440
Speaker 13: in this ship. Yeah, apart from people in Utah who

2643
02:35:28,520 --> 02:35:29,800
Speaker 13: inexplicably elected him.

2644
02:35:29,840 --> 02:35:32,359
Speaker 2: There's nothing people in Utah hate more than the beautiful

2645
02:35:32,440 --> 02:35:33,520
Speaker 2: land in which they inhabit.

2646
02:35:34,400 --> 02:35:37,280
Speaker 7: Yeah, not being able to mine and graze it as much.

2647
02:35:37,440 --> 02:35:41,720
Speaker 13: So like, Yeah, the Atlantic is reporting that Xcess has

2648
02:35:41,920 --> 02:35:45,520
Speaker 13: pressured General Donahue into stepping down Seince. Donahue will leave

2649
02:35:45,520 --> 02:35:48,920
Speaker 13: his job next week. Yeah, I guess, I mean, Robert

2650
02:35:48,920 --> 02:35:50,160
Speaker 13: you I'm sure if for minut as well.

2651
02:35:50,360 --> 02:35:54,360
Speaker 2: Donahue is a massive figure. He's very famously like the

2652
02:35:54,480 --> 02:35:59,640
Speaker 2: last US military official to leave Afghanistan during the withdrawal.

2653
02:36:00,240 --> 02:36:03,480
Speaker 2: He's a pretty major guy and was widely considered to

2654
02:36:03,520 --> 02:36:05,040
Speaker 2: be kind of one of the folks you'd think would

2655
02:36:05,080 --> 02:36:07,240
Speaker 2: be sort of bulletproof outside of the fact that he

2656
02:36:07,320 --> 02:36:11,160
Speaker 2: was involved in the withdrawal from Afghanistan famously, like and

2657
02:36:11,200 --> 02:36:13,240
Speaker 2: I think most people assumed that because it was in

2658
02:36:13,280 --> 02:36:16,520
Speaker 2: a very like stereotypically heroic way, and because this guy

2659
02:36:16,560 --> 02:36:20,680
Speaker 2: had such a reputation within like special operations, that he

2660
02:36:20,720 --> 02:36:24,400
Speaker 2: would be protected. But this is kind of further example

2661
02:36:24,400 --> 02:36:26,560
Speaker 2: of the brain drain that's been hitting all of the

2662
02:36:26,640 --> 02:36:29,039
Speaker 2: guys who know how to do stuff. Yeah, in the

2663
02:36:29,080 --> 02:36:29,960
Speaker 2: Department of Defense.

2664
02:36:30,480 --> 02:36:32,800
Speaker 13: Yeah, it is quite remarkable when you look at a

2665
02:36:32,840 --> 02:36:35,680
Speaker 13: list of the people who have been purged, like you know,

2666
02:36:36,080 --> 02:36:39,440
Speaker 13: quote unquite retired, right, Like, in terms of US military

2667
02:36:39,520 --> 02:36:42,160
Speaker 13: leadership capacity, it has been significantly diminished.

2668
02:36:42,280 --> 02:36:43,560
Speaker 7: Yeah, by p hexeth.

2669
02:36:44,240 --> 02:36:46,000
Speaker 11: I just I just want to put a note in

2670
02:36:46,120 --> 02:36:50,080
Speaker 11: here for later on hopefully hopefully this never becomes relevant.

2671
02:36:50,080 --> 02:36:51,920
Speaker 11: But I really really do not like that in a

2672
02:36:51,959 --> 02:36:54,080
Speaker 11: two year span there's been a significant purge of both

2673
02:36:54,080 --> 02:36:56,439
Speaker 11: the senior leadership of the American and Chinese militaries.

2674
02:36:57,080 --> 02:36:58,080
Speaker 3: Really do not like that.

2675
02:36:58,760 --> 02:37:02,040
Speaker 11: Just just just putting this note in the record that like, yeah,

2676
02:37:02,160 --> 02:37:03,120
Speaker 11: very very similar.

2677
02:37:03,680 --> 02:37:05,960
Speaker 2: I mean all the guys who like know each other. Yeah,

2678
02:37:06,200 --> 02:37:08,240
Speaker 2: you can say, no, I don't think that means that

2679
02:37:08,400 --> 02:37:10,560
Speaker 2: I know this guy he would do wouldn't do that

2680
02:37:10,600 --> 02:37:13,200
Speaker 2: for this reason, Like everyone like that on both sides

2681
02:37:13,320 --> 02:37:16,080
Speaker 2: is gone, and that maybe is how traditionally disasters happen.

2682
02:37:16,240 --> 02:37:20,199
Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, so I don't like this, just putting good note.

2683
02:37:20,680 --> 02:37:22,640
Speaker 2: It's actually like say what you want about I mean,

2684
02:37:22,680 --> 02:37:25,840
Speaker 2: say many different things about like the fucking militaries of

2685
02:37:25,840 --> 02:37:28,360
Speaker 2: both China and the United States. But it's really good.

2686
02:37:28,400 --> 02:37:31,240
Speaker 2: Actually when you have like a professional officer CADRA that's

2687
02:37:31,240 --> 02:37:34,560
Speaker 2: insulated from politics and also like kind of socially know

2688
02:37:34,640 --> 02:37:37,200
Speaker 2: the guys in the other countries at the higher levels

2689
02:37:37,240 --> 02:37:40,959
Speaker 2: because they've like spoken like that's actually really useful in

2690
02:37:41,080 --> 02:37:42,320
Speaker 2: de escalation.

2691
02:37:41,959 --> 02:37:45,959
Speaker 13: Of conflicts exactly. Yeah, it gives an informal de escalation mechanism, and.

2692
02:37:46,000 --> 02:37:48,400
Speaker 2: When that disappears, it can lead the problems.

2693
02:37:48,879 --> 02:37:52,959
Speaker 13: Yeah, when you're promoting like people of the heg seth. Yeah,

2694
02:37:53,160 --> 02:37:54,959
Speaker 13: fucking tendency especially right.

2695
02:37:55,280 --> 02:37:58,400
Speaker 2: A surprising number of disasters have been averted, and not

2696
02:37:58,560 --> 02:38:02,119
Speaker 2: just because military official because like people in two countries

2697
02:38:02,120 --> 02:38:03,640
Speaker 2: who were like high up in the government like just

2698
02:38:03,720 --> 02:38:05,960
Speaker 2: kind of had hung out with each other in events

2699
02:38:06,240 --> 02:38:07,960
Speaker 2: and one was able to call the other and be like,

2700
02:38:07,959 --> 02:38:10,800
Speaker 2: hey Joe, like you guys aren't doing this, are you?

2701
02:38:10,920 --> 02:38:15,160
Speaker 2: Because my people are fucking flipping out. Yeah, those relationships

2702
02:38:15,760 --> 02:38:18,199
Speaker 2: are really load bearing. In the US, all not dying

2703
02:38:18,200 --> 02:38:21,840
Speaker 2: an atomic fire thing. So yeah, you know, there seems

2704
02:38:21,840 --> 02:38:25,400
Speaker 2: to be some kind of counterfactory. There's just a lie

2705
02:38:25,520 --> 02:38:29,280
Speaker 2: going around x dot com that like, Donahue, don't whe's

2706
02:38:29,280 --> 02:38:31,440
Speaker 2: the last song to leave Afghanistan is road it said,

2707
02:38:31,480 --> 02:38:33,440
Speaker 2: and like that like they were being shot at and

2708
02:38:33,480 --> 02:38:36,400
Speaker 2: there were like junior enlisted folks being shot at.

2709
02:38:36,600 --> 02:38:37,600
Speaker 7: That wasn't happening.

2710
02:38:37,840 --> 02:38:41,880
Speaker 13: The last thirteen US troops who died in Afghanistan were

2711
02:38:41,879 --> 02:38:44,520
Speaker 13: not shot by the Taliban. They were killed in Islamic

2712
02:38:44,560 --> 02:38:45,640
Speaker 13: State suicide bombing.

2713
02:38:45,920 --> 02:38:49,640
Speaker 2: Again because the Taliban was cooperating with our withdrawal. They

2714
02:38:49,640 --> 02:38:52,560
Speaker 2: were not like the Talban was not fighting shooting at

2715
02:38:52,560 --> 02:38:56,200
Speaker 2: the US as we were leaving because they wanted us

2716
02:38:56,240 --> 02:38:57,360
Speaker 2: to do what we were doing.

2717
02:38:57,560 --> 02:39:01,120
Speaker 13: Yeah, yeah, they got the outcome with having to do that.

2718
02:39:01,400 --> 02:39:04,080
Speaker 2: If you're the Taliban and the war is almost over,

2719
02:39:04,280 --> 02:39:05,840
Speaker 2: and you know, if you know what you know one

2720
02:39:05,840 --> 02:39:07,520
Speaker 2: thing about the US is the Taliban, which is like

2721
02:39:07,560 --> 02:39:10,120
Speaker 2: if we just suddenly kill up onto their guys, maybe

2722
02:39:10,120 --> 02:39:10,879
Speaker 2: they don't leave.

2723
02:39:11,640 --> 02:39:13,520
Speaker 13: Yeah, I know they will return and do a fucking

2724
02:39:13,760 --> 02:39:17,000
Speaker 13: murdering people spree. Like I know people once again, right,

2725
02:39:17,120 --> 02:39:19,200
Speaker 13: Like things that have happened in the last five years

2726
02:39:19,200 --> 02:39:21,039
Speaker 13: seem to not exist in the mind of people who

2727
02:39:21,080 --> 02:39:22,199
Speaker 13: use x dot com to get.

2728
02:39:22,040 --> 02:39:23,480
Speaker 2: Their news ever existed for them.

2729
02:39:23,840 --> 02:39:24,200
Speaker 7: I guess.

2730
02:39:24,240 --> 02:39:28,880
Speaker 13: Finally some good news from Maugway PDF who destroyed a

2731
02:39:28,959 --> 02:39:32,600
Speaker 13: top my door I seventeen helicopter using FPV drones yesterday.

2732
02:39:32,840 --> 02:39:35,240
Speaker 13: Oh wow, Yeah, not the first time it has happened

2733
02:39:35,240 --> 02:39:38,880
Speaker 13: in Meenma. I constantly see when a drone is used

2734
02:39:38,879 --> 02:39:41,520
Speaker 13: in Ukraine in a sort of relatively novel way, people

2735
02:39:41,560 --> 02:39:43,560
Speaker 13: saying this is the first time that has happened, and

2736
02:39:43,720 --> 02:39:47,320
Speaker 13: almost always it has already happened in Meanma. Not always,

2737
02:39:47,320 --> 02:39:49,120
Speaker 13: like there were some autonomous drones that kill people in

2738
02:39:49,200 --> 02:39:50,840
Speaker 13: Ukraine a couple of years ago that I'm not aware

2739
02:39:50,879 --> 02:39:53,879
Speaker 13: of existing in me Mma. But like, Orientalism definitely plays

2740
02:39:53,879 --> 02:39:57,280
Speaker 13: a role in people's ignorance when it comes to like

2741
02:39:57,920 --> 02:40:01,520
Speaker 13: military firsts happening in the Spring Revolution. But yeah, in

2742
02:40:01,560 --> 02:40:05,080
Speaker 13: this instance, they seemed to hit it with multiple FPV

2743
02:40:05,200 --> 02:40:07,959
Speaker 13: drones taking out it's it's landing gear than its engines.

2744
02:40:09,320 --> 02:40:12,400
Speaker 3: I do have one short story here that I've tried

2745
02:40:12,440 --> 02:40:17,200
Speaker 3: to avoid covering because they really don't think it's that important. Yeah,

2746
02:40:17,240 --> 02:40:19,480
Speaker 3: but much like the algae just keeps creeping back into

2747
02:40:19,520 --> 02:40:23,080
Speaker 3: the headlines. So last month, President Trump got super obsessed

2748
02:40:23,120 --> 02:40:26,240
Speaker 3: with the Lincoln Memorial reflecting pool spent fourteen million dollars

2749
02:40:26,280 --> 02:40:28,480
Speaker 3: in a no contract bid to get rid of the algae.

2750
02:40:29,280 --> 02:40:31,800
Speaker 3: Trump used his own pool guys and they drained the

2751
02:40:31,879 --> 02:40:37,760
Speaker 3: reflection pool. They painted the bottom quote unquote American flag

2752
02:40:37,920 --> 02:40:39,840
Speaker 3: blue and then filled that thing up again.

2753
02:40:40,440 --> 02:40:44,720
Speaker 2: Brilliant marketing decision by whoever named that paint, by the way.

2754
02:40:45,560 --> 02:40:49,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, somehow the algae returned and in an even worse state,

2755
02:40:49,360 --> 02:40:54,560
Speaker 3: turning the entirety of the blue reflecting water green. So

2756
02:40:54,800 --> 02:40:58,400
Speaker 3: in response, they sort of dumping gallons of hydrogen peroxide

2757
02:40:58,440 --> 02:41:03,840
Speaker 3: into the pool to kill the algae. Now, hydrogen beroxide

2758
02:41:03,879 --> 02:41:08,080
Speaker 3: also a paint thinner, and stripped of the American flag

2759
02:41:08,320 --> 02:41:11,520
Speaker 3: blue paint started peeling off the bottom of the pool,

2760
02:41:12,160 --> 02:41:15,360
Speaker 3: making the situation worse. Now here's where things get really interesting.

2761
02:41:15,400 --> 02:41:17,840
Speaker 3: This is the only reason why we're covering this because

2762
02:41:18,000 --> 02:41:23,280
Speaker 3: last weekend, Trump began making the completely unsubstantiated claims that

2763
02:41:23,400 --> 02:41:27,039
Speaker 3: the algae filled blue paint fiasco was the result of

2764
02:41:27,080 --> 02:41:32,560
Speaker 3: quote unquote radical left lunatics who vandalized the pool. Yeah,

2765
02:41:33,000 --> 02:41:35,280
Speaker 3: the National Garden the park police have since then been

2766
02:41:35,400 --> 02:41:41,600
Speaker 3: arresting people for standing near the reflecting pool. On Tuesday night,

2767
02:41:41,760 --> 02:41:45,320
Speaker 3: President Trump truth to quote, six people have been arrested

2768
02:41:45,480 --> 02:41:48,880
Speaker 3: and seven people had been sighted for the damage they

2769
02:41:48,920 --> 02:41:53,240
Speaker 3: did to our country's now beautiful reflecting pool. The three

2770
02:41:53,320 --> 02:41:56,920
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty foot gash made by a very sharp

2771
02:41:57,000 --> 02:42:02,800
Speaker 3: knife or razors is actually numerous slashes over a very

2772
02:42:02,879 --> 02:42:06,240
Speaker 3: long three hundred and fifty foot length. It was purposely,

2773
02:42:06,280 --> 02:42:10,520
Speaker 3: incriminally done, and someone had to work very hard, probably

2774
02:42:10,560 --> 02:42:14,840
Speaker 3: in the dark of the night, to create such a situation. Unquote,

2775
02:42:15,280 --> 02:42:18,640
Speaker 3: no evidence this has happened. Obviously, people have been watching

2776
02:42:18,680 --> 02:42:22,280
Speaker 3: the pool NonStop. No one's been seeing God waiting in

2777
02:42:22,320 --> 02:42:25,959
Speaker 3: there with a knife cutting the floor.

2778
02:42:26,400 --> 02:42:28,880
Speaker 2: And garrison, garrison. You're not understanding what the president's saying.

2779
02:42:29,120 --> 02:42:31,039
Speaker 2: One man didn't wait in there with a knife. A

2780
02:42:31,080 --> 02:42:34,879
Speaker 2: team of hundreds each made a single slash. That's the

2781
02:42:34,959 --> 02:42:37,080
Speaker 2: kind of discipline and dief is capable of, you know,

2782
02:42:38,560 --> 02:42:40,160
Speaker 2: night and of course in the dark of the.

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02:42:40,160 --> 02:42:43,600
Speaker 3: Night, they were black. There's out out looks like the

2784
02:42:43,680 --> 02:42:48,200
Speaker 3: Washington cous just reported on Trump's claims without noting that

2785
02:42:48,240 --> 02:42:52,200
Speaker 3: this is just a lie, just nonsense. Yeah, but as

2786
02:42:52,400 --> 02:42:54,680
Speaker 3: as the President has said, six people have been arrested,

2787
02:42:54,840 --> 02:42:57,119
Speaker 3: one of whom for sticking his hand in the pool

2788
02:42:57,200 --> 02:43:00,360
Speaker 3: and touching one of the floating pieces of blue hain't.

2789
02:43:00,600 --> 02:43:01,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2790
02:43:01,160 --> 02:43:02,920
Speaker 3: Trump has said they will need to join the pool

2791
02:43:02,920 --> 02:43:05,480
Speaker 3: again to make further repairs. Ahead of the fourth of

2792
02:43:05,520 --> 02:43:08,440
Speaker 3: July two hundred and fiftieth celebration.

2793
02:43:08,520 --> 02:43:12,039
Speaker 2: If you read the actual report that was made by

2794
02:43:12,160 --> 02:43:13,720
Speaker 2: UH I think it was the Parts Department or whatever,

2795
02:43:13,959 --> 02:43:17,520
Speaker 2: like analyzing what had happened in the reflecting pool. They

2796
02:43:17,560 --> 02:43:20,400
Speaker 2: did notice some like things that were described as cuts,

2797
02:43:20,440 --> 02:43:22,960
Speaker 2: but concluded they had nothing to do with the paint itself.

2798
02:43:24,040 --> 02:43:26,600
Speaker 2: Like if you actually read the report, like what he's

2799
02:43:26,640 --> 02:43:29,480
Speaker 2: talking about is not like what his own people said.

2800
02:43:29,800 --> 02:43:31,880
Speaker 2: He just saw cuts in the report and ignore that.

2801
02:43:31,920 --> 02:43:34,240
Speaker 2: It was like, but these were somewhere else and not

2802
02:43:34,400 --> 02:43:37,240
Speaker 2: relevant to the paint peeling and just went with it

2803
02:43:37,400 --> 02:43:38,720
Speaker 2: like that's the root of all this.

2804
02:43:39,360 --> 02:43:40,840
Speaker 11: The thing with the story is like, yeah, on the

2805
02:43:40,840 --> 02:43:43,520
Speaker 11: one hand, it is very funny that the pool the

2806
02:43:43,560 --> 02:43:47,959
Speaker 11: pool green, but also the fact that Trump can just

2807
02:43:48,640 --> 02:43:51,560
Speaker 11: lie about this stuff and then also a bunch of

2808
02:43:51,600 --> 02:43:55,520
Speaker 11: people get arrested, Yeah, is really bad. It is in

2809
02:43:55,560 --> 02:43:58,240
Speaker 11: fact really bad. But you can be arrested for putting

2810
02:43:58,320 --> 02:44:02,640
Speaker 11: your hand in a pool. That's very bad. I just

2811
02:44:02,640 --> 02:44:05,000
Speaker 11: just on just on a fundamental level, not not a

2812
02:44:05,040 --> 02:44:07,720
Speaker 11: sign of a society that is functioning.

2813
02:44:07,240 --> 02:44:09,400
Speaker 3: Or healthy or at all not doing well.

2814
02:44:10,480 --> 02:44:14,160
Speaker 13: Yeah yeah no great, no not a good Yeah, not

2815
02:44:14,280 --> 02:44:17,000
Speaker 13: a good look for us on the USA.

2816
02:44:17,000 --> 02:44:18,480
Speaker 7: It's two hundred and fifty is birthday.

2817
02:44:18,600 --> 02:44:25,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, deeply authoritarian society. Speaking of let's discuss probably the

2818
02:44:25,600 --> 02:44:29,360
Speaker 3: worst piece of news this week, which is the sentencing

2819
02:44:29,440 --> 02:44:33,760
Speaker 3: in the Prairie Land case, where the Trump administration brought

2820
02:44:33,840 --> 02:44:37,039
Speaker 3: terrorism charges against what they alleged as an ANTIFA cell

2821
02:44:37,640 --> 02:44:41,320
Speaker 3: who attended a protest outside of an iced attention facility

2822
02:44:42,400 --> 02:44:47,360
Speaker 3: last fourth of July. Benjamin Song was sentenced to one

2823
02:44:47,440 --> 02:44:51,960
Speaker 3: hundred years in prison. Song was convicted of attempted murder

2824
02:44:52,240 --> 02:44:54,720
Speaker 3: for shooting toward a police officer who was pointing a

2825
02:44:54,760 --> 02:44:59,760
Speaker 3: handgun at fleeing protesters. Marcilla Reda was sentenced to seventy

2826
02:44:59,840 --> 02:45:04,680
Speaker 3: year in prison. Zachary Evitt's Autumn Hill, Savannah Batten, Elizabeth Soto,

2827
02:45:04,959 --> 02:45:08,840
Speaker 3: and Megan Morris were sentenced to fifty years in prison

2828
02:45:09,240 --> 02:45:14,480
Speaker 3: after being convicted of providing quote unquote material support to terrorists. Now,

2829
02:45:14,560 --> 02:45:18,680
Speaker 3: some of these people weren't even involved in planning the protest,

2830
02:45:18,760 --> 02:45:21,640
Speaker 3: but just knew others who were. One of the people

2831
02:45:21,720 --> 02:45:26,040
Speaker 3: in this case wasn't even at the protest. Daniel Sanchez

2832
02:45:26,080 --> 02:45:28,720
Speaker 3: des Strata, who was sentenced to thirty years in prison,

2833
02:45:28,959 --> 02:45:31,359
Speaker 3: did not attend the protest, but was convicted of concealing

2834
02:45:31,400 --> 02:45:35,560
Speaker 3: documents for moving a box of personal items and anarchisines

2835
02:45:35,600 --> 02:45:39,160
Speaker 3: from one house to another that got him sentenced to

2836
02:45:39,360 --> 02:45:42,959
Speaker 3: thirty years in prison. One of the judges, Judge O'Connor,

2837
02:45:42,959 --> 02:45:45,520
Speaker 3: who was not the judge for the trial, said that

2838
02:45:45,560 --> 02:45:48,720
Speaker 3: the maximum sentences are to quote, send a message to

2839
02:45:48,760 --> 02:45:51,240
Speaker 3: anyone who shares similar ideologies.

2840
02:45:51,560 --> 02:45:57,600
Speaker 13: Yeah, these are brutal sentences, right, Like, Yeah, these are

2841
02:45:57,600 --> 02:45:59,760
Speaker 13: the sort of things that you see in the potential

2842
02:45:59,840 --> 02:46:02,960
Speaker 13: life a bitity, but it's in my experience, I haven't

2843
02:46:02,959 --> 02:46:06,879
Speaker 13: seen many people get like maximum sentences, Like I'm familiar

2844
02:46:06,959 --> 02:46:10,400
Speaker 13: with guys who are convicted of providing material support to

2845
02:46:10,400 --> 02:46:13,199
Speaker 13: the Islamic State, for instance, who did not get sentences

2846
02:46:13,480 --> 02:46:14,480
Speaker 13: anywhere near this duration.

2847
02:46:15,200 --> 02:46:18,279
Speaker 3: No, this is absolutely insane. Least, it is not unprecedented,

2848
02:46:18,959 --> 02:46:24,720
Speaker 3: very clearly politically motivated, as the judge openly said during sentencing.

2849
02:46:24,360 --> 02:46:26,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, deliberately admitted it was.

2850
02:46:26,840 --> 02:46:30,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, like the Adam Laffin guy who planned to attack

2851
02:46:30,320 --> 02:46:32,720
Speaker 3: power grids a few years ago was just sentenced to

2852
02:46:32,760 --> 02:46:36,400
Speaker 3: twenty This is absurd, Like a song, sentence of one

2853
02:46:36,440 --> 02:46:40,120
Speaker 3: hundred years is pretty insane itself, for even for being

2854
02:46:40,120 --> 02:46:43,080
Speaker 3: convicted of attempted murder, but all of these material support

2855
02:46:43,400 --> 02:46:48,000
Speaker 3: charges and concealing documents at thirty to seventy years is like.

2856
02:46:48,200 --> 02:46:50,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's outrageous. Yeah, it's a very clear attempt to

2857
02:46:50,879 --> 02:46:53,160
Speaker 2: having a chilling it. Yeah, right, Like a's the goal here,

2858
02:46:53,320 --> 02:46:57,880
Speaker 2: the goal with the with the prosecutions in Minneapolis as well,

2859
02:46:58,080 --> 02:47:00,840
Speaker 2: Like yeah, you know, it's all this same part of

2860
02:47:00,879 --> 02:47:01,720
Speaker 2: the stage strategy.

2861
02:47:02,120 --> 02:47:06,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, now, using conspiracy charges to rope in people to

2862
02:47:06,160 --> 02:47:10,240
Speaker 3: this larger case, arguing that this conspiracy is evidenced through

2863
02:47:11,000 --> 02:47:14,240
Speaker 3: reading zines, through wearing certain clothes at a protest, not

2864
02:47:14,360 --> 02:47:17,360
Speaker 3: being ut out quote unquote Antifa, and then they don't

2865
02:47:17,400 --> 02:47:19,760
Speaker 3: need to actually argue that every single person did a

2866
02:47:20,080 --> 02:47:24,000
Speaker 3: specific violent crime, but justice association with each other can

2867
02:47:24,120 --> 02:47:27,200
Speaker 3: lead to a conviction. And we are seeing this, you know,

2868
02:47:27,320 --> 02:47:30,560
Speaker 3: copied in Minnesota where just like one or two people

2869
02:47:30,640 --> 02:47:33,680
Speaker 3: are charged with doing violence like you know, kicking a vehicle.

2870
02:47:34,200 --> 02:47:36,880
Speaker 3: But what links the fifteen defendants together in Minnesota are

2871
02:47:36,959 --> 02:47:38,880
Speaker 3: these conspiracy charges? Yeah.

2872
02:47:39,080 --> 02:47:39,280
Speaker 9: Yeah.

2873
02:47:39,680 --> 02:47:41,360
Speaker 11: The thing that it reminds me the most of is

2874
02:47:41,560 --> 02:47:46,360
Speaker 11: just is Haymarket, where you know, in a very similar way,

2875
02:47:46,480 --> 02:47:51,400
Speaker 11: you have an attempt to not even necessarily go after

2876
02:47:51,520 --> 02:47:54,080
Speaker 11: the people who did the thing. You have an attempt

2877
02:47:54,120 --> 02:47:56,760
Speaker 11: to put the ideology on trial. I mean, the judge

2878
02:47:56,800 --> 02:47:59,760
Speaker 11: explicitly says this, right, this is not a trial. This

2879
02:47:59,800 --> 02:48:02,920
Speaker 11: is because something happened. This is specifically an attempt to

2880
02:48:03,000 --> 02:48:05,560
Speaker 11: send the message. Yeah, yeah, Yeah, to send a message

2881
02:48:05,560 --> 02:48:08,920
Speaker 11: into like stop resistance to everything the Troil adminstration has

2882
02:48:08,959 --> 02:48:12,560
Speaker 11: been doing, and particularly to try to try to like

2883
02:48:13,040 --> 02:48:15,600
Speaker 11: bring down a level of resistance to ice and border

2884
02:48:15,680 --> 02:48:19,920
Speaker 11: patrols like raids and actions going forward.

2885
02:48:20,200 --> 02:48:23,280
Speaker 3: The defendants will absolutely need support for what it's going

2886
02:48:23,320 --> 02:48:26,760
Speaker 3: to be a lengthy appeals process. Yeah. The worst case

2887
02:48:26,800 --> 02:48:29,560
Speaker 3: scenario is going to require building a mass movement to

2888
02:48:30,040 --> 02:48:34,480
Speaker 3: push for pardoning anti ice protesters, including the Prairie Line defendants,

2889
02:48:34,840 --> 02:48:38,680
Speaker 3: in a post Trump government. Of A complicating factor in

2890
02:48:38,959 --> 02:48:41,560
Speaker 3: this case is that some of these defendants are also

2891
02:48:41,600 --> 02:48:45,320
Speaker 3: facing state charges, which a federal pardon would not cover

2892
02:48:45,760 --> 02:48:50,760
Speaker 3: in Texas. Yeah, but rallying behind these people is of

2893
02:48:50,879 --> 02:48:55,440
Speaker 3: the utmost urgency, same as all the anti ice protesters

2894
02:48:55,440 --> 02:48:58,960
Speaker 3: around the country who are facing repression. I do want

2895
02:48:59,000 --> 02:49:01,720
Speaker 3: to know that, like our previous coverage of Prairie Life,

2896
02:49:01,840 --> 02:49:06,119
Speaker 3: my previous coverage focused on how the government used these

2897
02:49:06,280 --> 02:49:10,080
Speaker 3: specific charges, how they use specific testimony and flimsy evidence

2898
02:49:10,680 --> 02:49:14,360
Speaker 3: to successfully argue a conviction, while also mentioning that some

2899
02:49:14,440 --> 02:49:17,040
Speaker 3: of the mistakes that the public defenders made during that case,

2900
02:49:17,160 --> 02:49:20,360
Speaker 3: missing deadline stile motions, not calling witnesses. There is unique

2901
02:49:20,360 --> 02:49:22,840
Speaker 3: aspects of this case, and I think knowing what those

2902
02:49:22,920 --> 02:49:25,279
Speaker 3: are is important. When I was putting together that episode,

2903
02:49:25,280 --> 02:49:27,560
Speaker 3: a lot of the coverage I saw talked about how

2904
02:49:28,000 --> 02:49:30,560
Speaker 3: fucked up this situation is, and it really is right,

2905
02:49:31,200 --> 02:49:33,480
Speaker 3: but I think it's also important to actually know how

2906
02:49:33,720 --> 02:49:35,960
Speaker 3: the state is able to do this, like how they're

2907
02:49:35,959 --> 02:49:39,680
Speaker 3: able to argue this in very specific ways, to understand

2908
02:49:39,920 --> 02:49:42,080
Speaker 3: some of the unique aspects of this case, and to

2909
02:49:42,240 --> 02:49:46,080
Speaker 3: know what this state and jurors considered relevant evidence saying

2910
02:49:46,160 --> 02:49:49,880
Speaker 3: certain things in group chats, but also just being at

2911
02:49:49,959 --> 02:49:53,400
Speaker 3: a protest with someone else wearing possibly matching clothing.

2912
02:49:53,520 --> 02:49:53,600
Speaker 9: Right.

2913
02:49:53,879 --> 02:49:57,279
Speaker 3: Understanding those specifics I think is also important. But going forward,

2914
02:49:57,600 --> 02:50:01,240
Speaker 3: supporting these defendants, regardless of the can addiction is of

2915
02:50:01,600 --> 02:50:04,480
Speaker 3: the utmost urgency. We will link to the Support Committee

2916
02:50:04,520 --> 02:50:07,640
Speaker 3: for the Prairie Line Defendants and the donation link to

2917
02:50:07,720 --> 02:50:10,840
Speaker 3: help with legal costs and other expenses resulting from the

2918
02:50:10,879 --> 02:50:11,600
Speaker 3: state repression.

2919
02:50:11,840 --> 02:50:15,360
Speaker 13: Yeah, I'm curious people will have a lengthly challenging appeal

2920
02:50:15,480 --> 02:50:20,520
Speaker 13: process ahead of them, like they will need significant legal support.

2921
02:50:20,959 --> 02:50:22,480
Speaker 7: Yeah, if they're going to get out of prison.

2922
02:50:22,840 --> 02:50:26,680
Speaker 13: And you know, like if we look at like previous

2923
02:50:26,760 --> 02:50:29,560
Speaker 13: movements in the US, think like Biden pardon Leonard Peltier

2924
02:50:30,160 --> 02:50:33,600
Speaker 13: after decades right yep of him being in prison, like

2925
02:50:33,720 --> 02:50:35,800
Speaker 13: most of the rest of his life was spent in jail,

2926
02:50:36,280 --> 02:50:38,240
Speaker 13: and we can come to contrast set to have Trump

2927
02:50:38,280 --> 02:50:40,720
Speaker 13: pardon the J six is very rapidly.

2928
02:50:40,959 --> 02:50:45,440
Speaker 3: No, specifically in a in a post J six pardon world,

2929
02:50:46,040 --> 02:50:50,879
Speaker 3: and considering the popular resistance to ICE, Yeah, I think

2930
02:50:50,920 --> 02:50:53,240
Speaker 3: it's it's it's it's it's imperative that we go forward

2931
02:50:53,320 --> 02:50:56,959
Speaker 3: with this specific intention of even if the appeals fail,

2932
02:50:57,480 --> 02:50:59,840
Speaker 3: an anti as movement needs to include these people in

2933
02:51:00,000 --> 02:51:03,120
Speaker 3: their advocacy and getting them pardons in the future.

2934
02:51:03,360 --> 02:51:03,560
Speaker 9: Yeah.

2935
02:51:03,760 --> 02:51:03,960
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2936
02:51:04,160 --> 02:51:07,240
Speaker 11: And I think it is also just worth saying that,

2937
02:51:07,959 --> 02:51:09,480
Speaker 11: you know, I think there's there's an extent to which

2938
02:51:09,520 --> 02:51:12,280
Speaker 11: this repression would have happened regardless, but part of the

2939
02:51:12,320 --> 02:51:14,080
Speaker 11: reason why this is happening, and part of the reason

2940
02:51:14,120 --> 02:51:15,920
Speaker 11: why the judge is saying the stuff, part of the

2941
02:51:16,000 --> 02:51:19,400
Speaker 11: reason why they find the need to try to do

2942
02:51:19,520 --> 02:51:21,959
Speaker 11: a chilling effect and you know, use fear and terror

2943
02:51:22,040 --> 02:51:24,440
Speaker 11: to stop anything else, you know, to stop any of

2944
02:51:24,480 --> 02:51:26,240
Speaker 11: the resistance, is that the resistance is working.

2945
02:51:26,920 --> 02:51:27,080
Speaker 9: Right.

2946
02:51:27,160 --> 02:51:30,599
Speaker 11: That doesn't mean that people aren't getting hurt in unbelievably

2947
02:51:30,920 --> 02:51:33,480
Speaker 11: sort of hideous ways. It doesn't mean that deportations are continuing,

2948
02:51:33,600 --> 02:51:36,920
Speaker 11: but they have not been able to do the things

2949
02:51:36,959 --> 02:51:37,840
Speaker 11: that they wanted to do.

2950
02:51:38,120 --> 02:51:40,160
Speaker 2: Now, this is defensive lashing out.

2951
02:51:40,400 --> 02:51:43,280
Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, you know, there is an extent to which

2952
02:51:43,280 --> 02:51:45,000
Speaker 11: they're doing this because they're losing and they know it,

2953
02:51:45,120 --> 02:51:47,440
Speaker 11: and they have something has to happen in order to

2954
02:51:47,520 --> 02:51:50,039
Speaker 11: change the balance of how this whole sort of conflict

2955
02:51:50,080 --> 02:51:53,760
Speaker 11: between ice and people's communities has been unfolding. And this

2956
02:51:53,840 --> 02:51:55,200
Speaker 11: is one of the things they're trying to do to

2957
02:51:55,320 --> 02:51:55,520
Speaker 11: do that.

2958
02:51:56,320 --> 02:52:00,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, and more broadly, they're just trying to chill anything

2959
02:52:00,600 --> 02:52:04,119
Speaker 2: that could become part of successful resistance. Like they understand

2960
02:52:04,240 --> 02:52:07,720
Speaker 2: that anything that's public to the administration that looks bad

2961
02:52:07,879 --> 02:52:10,560
Speaker 2: can make them look bad. Like that's why they're lashing

2962
02:52:10,600 --> 02:52:12,920
Speaker 2: out at the fucking reflecting pool tool. Like the goal

2963
02:52:13,160 --> 02:52:15,879
Speaker 2: is to just like to instill a sort of instinctive

2964
02:52:16,000 --> 02:52:19,080
Speaker 2: fear of doing anything that could make the administration look bad.

2965
02:52:19,120 --> 02:52:21,000
Speaker 2: They're trying to like force their own sort of like

2966
02:52:21,120 --> 02:52:25,400
Speaker 2: less majest situation out through just like arresting people whenever

2967
02:52:25,480 --> 02:52:26,600
Speaker 2: they embarrass the regime.

2968
02:52:27,280 --> 02:52:32,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, and specifically trying to criminalize common protest tactics and

2969
02:52:32,400 --> 02:52:35,080
Speaker 3: picking specific cases like you know, Prairie Land and like

2970
02:52:35,160 --> 02:52:39,080
Speaker 3: the fifteen defendants in Minneapolis, and rather than actually focusing

2971
02:52:39,480 --> 02:52:43,480
Speaker 3: the majority of the case on alleged crimes, instead focusing

2972
02:52:43,560 --> 02:52:49,200
Speaker 3: on Antifa as this scary specter, right is anarchism, violent militancy,

2973
02:52:49,760 --> 02:52:54,640
Speaker 3: where just discussions or aesthetics of militancy is really what

2974
02:52:54,879 --> 02:52:56,760
Speaker 3: is is really what the case is like resting on

2975
02:52:57,240 --> 02:52:59,120
Speaker 3: and convincing a jury that these people are a scary

2976
02:52:59,160 --> 02:53:02,400
Speaker 3: group of outside ATGE dictators, but by solidifying a conviction

2977
02:53:02,879 --> 02:53:06,480
Speaker 3: that actually criminalizes what are legal protest tactics Like this

2978
02:53:06,560 --> 02:53:09,080
Speaker 3: is the scariest part about the case in Minneapolis in

2979
02:53:09,120 --> 02:53:12,960
Speaker 3: the Twin Cities is that most of that document is

2980
02:53:13,400 --> 02:53:16,800
Speaker 3: covering legal like ICE like ICE Watch, rapid Response Networks,

2981
02:53:16,879 --> 02:53:21,320
Speaker 3: right legal actions, but they're trying to criminalize people's coordination

2982
02:53:21,520 --> 02:53:25,720
Speaker 3: to do that legal action by focusing on a group

2983
02:53:25,800 --> 02:53:28,640
Speaker 3: that the government thinks is specifically, you know, militant or

2984
02:53:29,120 --> 02:53:30,760
Speaker 3: has certain political beliefs.

2985
02:53:31,080 --> 02:53:34,080
Speaker 13: Yeah, I would say that the Minneapolis indictment is not

2986
02:53:34,160 --> 02:53:36,760
Speaker 13: the Peri Land indictment like that, It's a very different thing,

2987
02:53:36,920 --> 02:53:39,240
Speaker 13: totally and totally. Yeah, we made an episode and that

2988
02:53:39,280 --> 02:53:40,680
Speaker 13: people go back and listen to it. But like I

2989
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Speaker 13: think people, I understand the fear that people are feeling.

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Speaker 13: But like I want you to know that this isn't

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Speaker 13: every case going forward, right for this is a case,

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02:53:53,320 --> 02:53:56,360
Speaker 13: yeah that they have had success and they extracted like

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02:53:56,440 --> 02:54:00,400
Speaker 13: a really horrific burden. Most of the cases they bought

2994
02:54:00,440 --> 02:54:01,800
Speaker 13: in Minnesota have been thrown out.

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Speaker 3: The details and evidence of these cases are very, very different.

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Speaker 3: I'm only invoking the comparison because the strategy from the

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02:54:10,000 --> 02:54:13,520
Speaker 3: DOJ is similar. Even if the specific details and evidence

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Speaker 3: in these cases do wide, they differ. And regardless of

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Speaker 3: those differences, I think both both the defendants in both

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Speaker 3: cases should receive the same amount of support.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Like I mentioned, links for the support committee and the

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Speaker 3: donation link will be at the very top of the

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Speaker 3: description below. Let's go on a break and return for

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Speaker 3: more news.

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Speaker 7: We are back when we're talking about Iran.

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Speaker 13: We saw like a lot of back and forth over

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02:54:51,760 --> 02:54:55,279
Speaker 13: the weekend about the MoU, about Trump threatening the Iranian delegation,

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02:54:55,480 --> 02:54:56,560
Speaker 13: about them not signing it.

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Speaker 3: The mu of Versai didn't didn't work out, So we

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02:55:01,400 --> 02:55:04,520
Speaker 3: have an an MoU in place.

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Speaker 13: Right at the time of writing, this rest on a

3013
02:55:10,320 --> 02:55:14,160
Speaker 13: very fragile piece in Lebanon, and I want to read

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Speaker 13: something from Bengavia about Lebanon. He's a national security minister

3015
02:55:19,160 --> 02:55:21,560
Speaker 13: in Israel. The last time we spoke about him, he

3016
02:55:21,879 --> 02:55:25,400
Speaker 13: was physically assaulting people from the flotilla. I think I'm

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02:55:25,400 --> 02:55:27,160
Speaker 13: just going to read this out. For every tier of

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Speaker 13: an Israeli mother, a thousand Lebanese mothers must weep. All

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Speaker 13: of Lebanon must burn, with all due respect to the Americans.

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Speaker 13: Israel must make it clear to the entire world that

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Speaker 13: the blood of our sons and the security of our

3022
02:55:37,800 --> 02:55:39,640
Speaker 13: citizens are not forfeit.

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Speaker 7: All of Lebanon must burn.

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Speaker 13: Our supreme duty is to protect the citizens Visrael and

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02:55:44,240 --> 02:55:46,800
Speaker 13: the soldiers the IDF, and this commitment takes presence over

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02:55:46,879 --> 02:55:49,680
Speaker 13: every other consideration. I told the Prime Minister even in

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Speaker 13: a private meeting. So every tier of an Israeli mother,

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02:55:52,480 --> 02:55:55,640
Speaker 13: a thousand Lebanese mothers, must weep enough with a ping

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02:55:55,720 --> 02:55:58,320
Speaker 13: pong in the Middle East. You don't win with measured

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02:55:58,360 --> 02:56:01,480
Speaker 13: responses and restraint. You need to go berserk, to obliterate,

3031
02:56:01,800 --> 02:56:04,640
Speaker 13: to crush the terror. That's just a genocide post like

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02:56:04,720 --> 02:56:05,359
Speaker 13: there's there's.

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Speaker 2: Insane genocidal, yes, super genocide, Like.

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Speaker 7: He might as well just say, like, what I want

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02:56:10,520 --> 02:56:12,480
Speaker 7: is a genocide. The genocide is what I want.

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Speaker 13: Like in other historically documented genocides, it is relatively rare

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Speaker 13: to have the person just being like, we're doing a

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Speaker 13: genocide over here.

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Speaker 2: This is a genocide, seems like a good dame, like.

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Speaker 13: It is historically somewhat remarkable to just being I guess

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02:56:30,000 --> 02:56:31,840
Speaker 13: we want to wipe them all out. Actually, if anyone

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Speaker 13: wonders if this is a genocide or not, absolutely like

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02:56:34,680 --> 02:56:37,480
Speaker 13: you will not find it clearer statement of genocidal intent

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Speaker 13: than this. And so the Iran peace deal being contingent

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Speaker 13: on Israel at least finding peace in Lebanon right now

3046
02:56:46,440 --> 02:56:48,600
Speaker 13: they're occupying something Lebanon, it doesn't look like they're leaving,

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Speaker 13: is contingent on this government, which includes someone who is

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02:56:52,320 --> 02:56:58,680
Speaker 13: openly genocidal. That finding a peace deal with Lebanon, which

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Speaker 13: I mean, what kind of piece. What kind of compromise

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02:57:00,760 --> 02:57:04,440
Speaker 13: can you come to with that person? Israel continues to

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02:57:04,600 --> 02:57:08,640
Speaker 13: be the force that continues to destabilize the region and

3052
02:57:08,760 --> 02:57:12,119
Speaker 13: cause more death and suffering. Let's move back to America.

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02:57:12,640 --> 02:57:16,000
Speaker 13: The Senate did pass a war powers resolution this week,

3054
02:57:16,320 --> 02:57:19,320
Speaker 13: came through from the House. A resolution here it expresses

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02:57:19,360 --> 02:57:21,160
Speaker 13: a will of Congress. It's slightly different for a piece

3056
02:57:21,160 --> 02:57:24,800
Speaker 13: of legislation. It is a setback for Trump, right, like

3057
02:57:24,920 --> 02:57:29,000
Speaker 13: it's not nothing, especially because some Republicans supported it, ran

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02:57:29,080 --> 02:57:32,720
Speaker 13: Paul Lisa Makowski, Susan Collins, and Bill Cassidy. Of course

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Speaker 13: John Fetterman cross the other way because he is the

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02:57:35,320 --> 02:57:38,800
Speaker 13: marga Republican. He just has a blue badge next to him.

3061
02:57:39,360 --> 02:57:42,400
Speaker 13: So in twenty nineteen, probably the most analogous kind of

3062
02:57:42,560 --> 02:57:46,720
Speaker 13: recent example, Trump vetoed resolution concerning US support for the

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02:57:46,840 --> 02:57:50,600
Speaker 13: Saudi led coalition in Yemen. Right, he will likely ignore

3064
02:57:50,680 --> 02:57:53,800
Speaker 13: this history. Understanders will know that we didn't stop supporting

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02:57:53,840 --> 02:57:58,640
Speaker 13: to Saudi's right, and he is very unlikely to change

3066
02:57:58,680 --> 02:58:01,879
Speaker 13: his policy about this, but he is clearly very upset

3067
02:58:01,920 --> 02:58:05,400
Speaker 13: about it. And this is important because Trump has a

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02:58:05,680 --> 02:58:10,160
Speaker 13: record As we go into the mid terms of attempting

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02:58:10,200 --> 02:58:13,080
Speaker 13: to destroy the careers of any Republican who he considers

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02:58:13,120 --> 02:58:16,160
Speaker 13: to have spoken out against him. Right, So, in a

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02:58:16,440 --> 02:58:19,360
Speaker 13: general sense, with the war, Congress would have to approve

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02:58:19,400 --> 02:58:22,240
Speaker 13: it within sixty days, sometimes for national security reasons. It

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02:58:22,280 --> 02:58:25,240
Speaker 13: could be extended by the eggective branch in ninety days. Well,

3074
02:58:25,280 --> 02:58:27,520
Speaker 13: the White House is arguing here is that the April

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02:58:27,600 --> 02:58:30,560
Speaker 13: ceasefire means that that clock has stopped, and that the

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02:58:30,640 --> 02:58:32,840
Speaker 13: War Powers resolution therefore became to a war that no

3077
02:58:32,959 --> 02:58:35,520
Speaker 13: longer exists. And if they start again, it will be

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02:58:35,560 --> 02:58:38,560
Speaker 13: a completely different, separate and unrelated thing, and that club

3079
02:58:38,560 --> 02:58:41,879
Speaker 13: would start again from zero. Yeah, Jesus crazy, but that's

3080
02:58:41,959 --> 02:58:44,640
Speaker 13: kind of magical thinking. But that's what they're going with. Right.

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02:58:45,320 --> 02:58:48,520
Speaker 13: Just before we recorded, it was reported that Trump had

3082
02:58:48,560 --> 02:58:51,600
Speaker 13: a lunch, like a closed door lunch with GP centers,

3083
02:58:52,160 --> 02:58:54,680
Speaker 13: which resulted in him getting into a screaming match with

3084
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Speaker 13: some of those senators, including Cassidy. Clearly, the peace deal,

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02:58:59,360 --> 02:59:02,320
Speaker 13: the forty points that we that we spoke about last

3086
02:59:02,360 --> 02:59:08,560
Speaker 13: time have been extremely unpopular with the Republicans, right because

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02:59:09,000 --> 02:59:11,960
Speaker 13: Trump poventually caved on like Grans coming out of this

3088
02:59:12,920 --> 02:59:15,280
Speaker 13: perhaps strategically in a better position than it went into this.

3089
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Speaker 13: And now, obviously the US has done massive damage to

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02:59:18,000 --> 02:59:21,920
Speaker 13: Iranian infrastructure to kill people, right, but in terms of

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02:59:21,920 --> 02:59:24,800
Speaker 13: actually their military capacity, it seems to be a much

3092
02:59:24,879 --> 02:59:29,080
Speaker 13: less degrade than we initially thought. It looks like this

3093
02:59:29,680 --> 02:59:32,760
Speaker 13: continues to be one of the areas where Trump is

3094
02:59:32,920 --> 02:59:36,640
Speaker 13: bleeding GOP support, and so it is interesting to keep

3095
02:59:36,720 --> 02:59:40,480
Speaker 13: track of this. Let's move on to talk about immigration now.

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Speaker 13: So the DC District Court had a ruling this week

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Speaker 13: in order the government to facilitate the return of a

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Speaker 13: man mister Martinez and Dino, that they had deported to

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Speaker 13: ondore US. The quote from the opinion I'm going to

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Speaker 13: quote kind of extendedly, hear, I have removed like when

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Speaker 13: you get these opinions right, they will have intex citations

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02:59:59,560 --> 03:00:02,480
Speaker 13: for other cour cases. Never removed those from reading clarity.

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Speaker 13: After being arrested and detained in Montana by immigration authorities

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Speaker 13: and moved between at least six detention centers in different

3105
03:00:09,440 --> 03:00:12,720
Speaker 13: states across the country, he seemingly disappeared. He was not

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Speaker 13: permitted to contact his attorneys for more than ten days,

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Speaker 13: and neither Immigration and Customs Enforcement nor Customs and Border

3108
03:00:19,920 --> 03:00:23,040
Speaker 13: Protection would tell his attorneys where he was or in

3109
03:00:23,160 --> 03:00:28,400
Speaker 13: which agency's custody, despite repeated requests, Not until his attorneys

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Speaker 13: filed this lawsuit, initially seeking only a temporary restraining order

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03:00:33,520 --> 03:00:36,640
Speaker 13: directing defendants to tell them where and in whose custody

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03:00:36,680 --> 03:00:39,920
Speaker 13: plaintiff was located, did the government disclose that he had

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03:00:39,959 --> 03:00:44,240
Speaker 13: been removed to Honduras the same day, purportedly because he

3114
03:00:44,320 --> 03:00:48,000
Speaker 13: had voluntarily agreed to that departure. So this guy was

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03:00:48,080 --> 03:00:50,520
Speaker 13: kept without contact to his lawyer, who was trying to

3116
03:00:50,560 --> 03:00:52,920
Speaker 13: contact him and who he was asking to talk to,

3117
03:00:53,560 --> 03:00:57,760
Speaker 13: for ten days. He disputes in this case that he

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Speaker 13: voluntarily agreed to depart because he was deprived of access

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Speaker 13: to his legal team because he wasn't able to understand

3120
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Speaker 13: the documents he was asked to sign. I can say

3121
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Speaker 13: from numerous interviews I've conducted with people who have been

3122
03:01:09,200 --> 03:01:11,440
Speaker 13: in detention that there is a great deal of pressure

3123
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Speaker 13: to sign those documents, and they're there all the time,

3124
03:01:13,800 --> 03:01:15,120
Speaker 13: right like in the middle of the night, when you

3125
03:01:15,200 --> 03:01:17,880
Speaker 13: can't sleep and it's freezing fucking cold, that document is

3126
03:01:17,920 --> 03:01:20,360
Speaker 13: right there in the wall for you to sign. The

3127
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Speaker 13: court ordered the government to quote ensure that his case

3128
03:01:23,680 --> 03:01:26,440
Speaker 13: is handled as it would have been had he not

3129
03:01:26,560 --> 03:01:29,680
Speaker 13: been improperly sent to Honduras. And they cited out at

3130
03:01:29,680 --> 03:01:33,320
Speaker 13: aggasi of US is gnome right, so they're using that

3131
03:01:33,640 --> 03:01:36,680
Speaker 13: like a precedent here. That doesn't mean that he gets

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Speaker 13: to come home and he's not going to be pursued

3133
03:01:40,200 --> 03:01:43,800
Speaker 13: by immigration, right. That means that they have to process

3134
03:01:43,920 --> 03:01:47,200
Speaker 13: him and not hide him away from his lawyer for

3135
03:01:47,320 --> 03:01:50,080
Speaker 13: ten days, because effectively what they did was hit this

3136
03:01:50,200 --> 03:01:51,560
Speaker 13: man from his lawyers for more than a week and

3137
03:01:51,600 --> 03:01:53,600
Speaker 13: then forced him to sign a document he couldn't meaningfully

3138
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Speaker 13: consent to. Some background here, he entered his fourteen year

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03:01:57,240 --> 03:01:59,640
Speaker 13: old without family members. I don't like the term and

3140
03:01:59,720 --> 03:02:03,360
Speaker 13: a minor because I've spent time with Margaret's traveling to

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Speaker 13: the US, and there are often children who are traveling

3142
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Speaker 13: without their family, but they're still accompanied by somebody or

3143
03:02:08,240 --> 03:02:10,200
Speaker 13: somebody who's just decided to take care of them.

3144
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Speaker 7: But that would be the legal term here, right.

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03:02:12,680 --> 03:02:17,360
Speaker 13: He was granted SIJ Special Immigrant Juvenile status, and then

3146
03:02:17,440 --> 03:02:19,960
Speaker 13: when he got back to Honduras, he contacted his lawyer

3147
03:02:20,160 --> 03:02:22,600
Speaker 13: filed enough for David, stating that the paperwork he signed

3148
03:02:22,959 --> 03:02:25,280
Speaker 13: when he was detained was not explained to him and

3149
03:02:26,040 --> 03:02:28,360
Speaker 13: he was quote told the only option he had attention

3150
03:02:28,560 --> 03:02:31,760
Speaker 13: was to sign for the paperwork. He quote asked to

3151
03:02:31,800 --> 03:02:35,040
Speaker 13: speak with his attorneys for days between nine days between

3152
03:02:35,080 --> 03:02:38,520
Speaker 13: March thirty first and April ninth, and his quote requests

3153
03:02:38,560 --> 03:02:42,080
Speaker 13: were ignored or denied, and he quote told immigration officials

3154
03:02:42,080 --> 03:02:44,520
Speaker 13: that he was afraid to return to Honduras and wanted

3155
03:02:44,959 --> 03:02:47,199
Speaker 13: an interview or a hearing with the judge.

3156
03:02:47,640 --> 03:02:49,800
Speaker 7: These requests were also quote ignored or denied.

3157
03:02:50,360 --> 03:02:52,959
Speaker 13: He also says he felt terribly mistreated due to poor

3158
03:02:53,040 --> 03:02:56,320
Speaker 13: food and no access to showers. He also gave a

3159
03:02:56,440 --> 03:03:00,400
Speaker 13: different himeline of deportation than that which government is entered

3160
03:03:00,440 --> 03:03:02,360
Speaker 13: in his case. Just think that he may not have

3161
03:03:02,520 --> 03:03:05,400
Speaker 13: entered the country at the time the government said he

3162
03:03:05,560 --> 03:03:09,199
Speaker 13: was out of their custody, which is important, right because

3163
03:03:09,240 --> 03:03:13,640
Speaker 13: the government saying we don't have him anymore. His timeline

3164
03:03:13,760 --> 03:03:15,960
Speaker 13: when they landed, how long they sat on the tarmac,

3165
03:03:16,080 --> 03:03:19,080
Speaker 13: when they transited the border there is different from the

3166
03:03:19,160 --> 03:03:21,680
Speaker 13: one that the government provided. It's good to see this

3167
03:03:21,760 --> 03:03:23,640
Speaker 13: case right, but he will still face an uphill battle.

3168
03:03:24,360 --> 03:03:27,040
Speaker 13: I also want to talk very briefly about Blanche versus Lao.

3169
03:03:27,520 --> 03:03:30,840
Speaker 13: This is a ruling that returning Green card holders are

3170
03:03:30,879 --> 03:03:34,440
Speaker 13: now considered or can be considered, applicants for admission, which

3171
03:03:34,520 --> 03:03:37,200
Speaker 13: means they can be placed on immigration parole when entering

3172
03:03:37,280 --> 03:03:40,840
Speaker 13: the country. A case he potentially mister Lao, who returned

3173
03:03:40,840 --> 03:03:44,320
Speaker 13: to twenty twelve and was placed on parole while facing charge,

3174
03:03:44,440 --> 03:03:46,840
Speaker 13: is related to trademark counterfeiting. I do want to go

3175
03:03:46,920 --> 03:03:50,000
Speaker 13: back and reference their date again, twenty twelve. This is

3176
03:03:50,080 --> 03:03:53,600
Speaker 13: something that happened when Barack Obama was president. Barack Obama

3177
03:03:54,160 --> 03:03:57,680
Speaker 13: loved to deport people. Anybody who's telling you that it

3178
03:03:57,720 --> 03:03:59,000
Speaker 13: isn't the case is lying to you.

3179
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Speaker 7: Missed a.

3180
03:04:00,080 --> 03:04:04,000
Speaker 13: Lao later pled guilty and therefore was swiftly praised in

3181
03:04:04,160 --> 03:04:08,680
Speaker 13: removal proceedings because the government argued he was inadmissible. So

3182
03:04:08,800 --> 03:04:13,280
Speaker 13: when you are parolled, you're not technically admitted. You are

3183
03:04:13,400 --> 03:04:17,720
Speaker 13: parolled pending admission. Therefore, if you're found to be inadmissible,

3184
03:04:18,280 --> 03:04:21,480
Speaker 13: it is quicker to begin that removal. So this is

3185
03:04:21,640 --> 03:04:25,879
Speaker 13: where the Supreme Court had to decide. Right, Generally, Green

3186
03:04:25,959 --> 03:04:28,920
Speaker 13: card holders are considered to have already been admitted when

3187
03:04:28,959 --> 03:04:29,800
Speaker 13: they are returning.

3188
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Speaker 9: Right.

3189
03:04:31,280 --> 03:04:35,000
Speaker 13: This ruling, though, will have serious consequences for lpr's legal

3190
03:04:35,040 --> 03:04:40,039
Speaker 13: permanent residents. Green card holders. Right, this pertains to crimes

3191
03:04:40,080 --> 03:04:42,760
Speaker 13: involving moral turpitude. I spoke about these a great deal,

3192
03:04:42,800 --> 03:04:44,120
Speaker 13: and I don't think we already have the space or

3193
03:04:44,160 --> 03:04:45,520
Speaker 13: time to go into them here. But it's going to

3194
03:04:45,560 --> 03:04:50,200
Speaker 13: say that it is a broad and nebulous category because

3195
03:04:50,440 --> 03:04:52,560
Speaker 13: quote from the Supreme Court opinion here, nothing in the

3196
03:04:52,640 --> 03:04:54,720
Speaker 13: Ina required the border officer to have a clear and

3197
03:04:54,840 --> 03:04:58,160
Speaker 13: convincing evidence that Lao had committed a crime involving moral

3198
03:04:58,200 --> 03:05:01,720
Speaker 13: turpitude before deeming him an appetit for admission. So mister

3199
03:05:01,800 --> 03:05:04,240
Speaker 13: Lao had not been convicted of that crime, right he

3200
03:05:04,280 --> 03:05:06,959
Speaker 13: had been charged with that crime. Mister Law is still

3201
03:05:07,000 --> 03:05:10,400
Speaker 13: contesting whether this particular crime does involve moral turpitude, it seems.

3202
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Speaker 13: But nonetheless, this is a significant thing that green card

3203
03:05:14,040 --> 03:05:15,840
Speaker 13: holds legal public residents need to.

3204
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Speaker 3: Be aware of.

3205
03:05:17,200 --> 03:05:19,640
Speaker 13: That's it for James reads a bunch of court documents

3206
03:05:19,720 --> 03:05:22,560
Speaker 13: this week. I'll link to all the court docks in

3207
03:05:22,720 --> 03:05:25,000
Speaker 13: the thing you guys want to get deep in there.

3208
03:05:26,560 --> 03:05:29,520
Speaker 11: So another extremely bleak news. We're moving to the climate

3209
03:05:29,600 --> 03:05:33,640
Speaker 11: front where we are seeing a whole bunch of heat

3210
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Speaker 11: waves across the world. I want to start in India

3211
03:05:36,400 --> 03:05:40,480
Speaker 11: and Pakistan, so India has been dealing with very very

3212
03:05:40,560 --> 03:05:42,920
Speaker 11: serious heat wave for a lot of parts of May

3213
03:05:43,000 --> 03:05:46,160
Speaker 11: and June. Temperatures just in parts of New Delhi have

3214
03:05:46,320 --> 03:05:48,760
Speaker 11: hit one hundred and twenty three degrees fahrenheit, which is

3215
03:05:49,040 --> 03:05:49,600
Speaker 11: a nightmare.

3216
03:05:49,840 --> 03:05:51,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's really bad.

3217
03:05:51,879 --> 03:05:54,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, in New Delhi has consistently been over one

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03:05:54,520 --> 03:05:55,160
Speaker 3: hundred degrees.

3219
03:05:55,280 --> 03:05:57,200
Speaker 2: We're also talking about over one hundred degrees in one

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Speaker 2: of the most human and worst AQ Yeah. Places. That's

3221
03:06:00,920 --> 03:06:02,120
Speaker 2: just hell, yeah, that's hell.

3222
03:06:02,400 --> 03:06:02,600
Speaker 3: Yeah.

3223
03:06:03,360 --> 03:06:03,520
Speaker 9: Yeah.

3224
03:06:03,560 --> 03:06:04,840
Speaker 11: And as we're going to get you in a second,

3225
03:06:05,040 --> 03:06:07,720
Speaker 11: in places where people don't have access to air conditioning,

3226
03:06:08,440 --> 03:06:13,000
Speaker 11: and especially the you know, the the more rural and

3227
03:06:13,080 --> 03:06:16,520
Speaker 11: the more like the further out you get, you're dealing

3228
03:06:16,640 --> 03:06:20,280
Speaker 11: with people where you don't have good access to electricity,

3229
03:06:20,520 --> 03:06:23,039
Speaker 11: and electricity grids tend to fail on the heat, especially

3230
03:06:23,080 --> 03:06:26,920
Speaker 11: when it is is hot and also this humid just

3231
03:06:27,360 --> 03:06:29,560
Speaker 11: that we know of the direct reporting from the Indian

3232
03:06:29,840 --> 03:06:32,400
Speaker 11: Health Ministry is reporting one hundred dead from the heat.

3233
03:06:33,240 --> 03:06:35,120
Speaker 3: It's probably much larger than that.

3234
03:06:36,160 --> 03:06:38,080
Speaker 11: One of the very consistent things when you when you're

3235
03:06:38,080 --> 03:06:41,000
Speaker 11: reporting on this, and you know the PPC, for example,

3236
03:06:41,040 --> 03:06:44,480
Speaker 11: we'll talk to researchers, is that, yeah, the deaths are

3237
03:06:44,520 --> 03:06:47,760
Speaker 11: probably way higher, but there's real problems with how heat

3238
03:06:47,800 --> 03:06:51,320
Speaker 11: related deaths are categorized, because the thing that kills you

3239
03:06:51,600 --> 03:06:54,040
Speaker 11: is the heat, but you're dying from like another sort

3240
03:06:54,080 --> 03:06:57,240
Speaker 11: of like health factor you had going on, So we're

3241
03:06:57,280 --> 03:07:00,560
Speaker 11: probably not going to know what the mat attitude of

3242
03:07:00,680 --> 03:07:04,320
Speaker 11: this was. For a pretty long time, things have been

3243
03:07:04,360 --> 03:07:06,640
Speaker 11: bad enough that almost half of the states in India

3244
03:07:06,760 --> 03:07:09,840
Speaker 11: have either and it depends a lot on the region,

3245
03:07:09,920 --> 03:07:11,520
Speaker 11: but a lot of these places have just straight up

3246
03:07:11,520 --> 03:07:14,680
Speaker 11: shut down their schools or have revised the schedules for

3247
03:07:14,879 --> 03:07:18,280
Speaker 11: their schools and effectively just started the summer break early

3248
03:07:18,440 --> 03:07:22,080
Speaker 11: because it is too hot to send kids to classrooms.

3249
03:07:22,160 --> 03:07:26,000
Speaker 11: Sometimes there's been like zoom school all all sort of

3250
03:07:26,840 --> 03:07:30,080
Speaker 11: stuff people probably are familiar from from like the lockdowns.

3251
03:07:30,280 --> 03:07:34,320
Speaker 11: But yeah, the BBC did a report from Bando, which

3252
03:07:34,360 --> 03:07:36,800
Speaker 11: is a district in Utu Pradesh, where there was a

3253
03:07:36,879 --> 03:07:38,920
Speaker 11: full week in May where it was between one hundred

3254
03:07:38,920 --> 03:07:42,240
Speaker 11: and sixteen and one hundred and eighteen degrees, which is

3255
03:07:43,200 --> 03:07:46,880
Speaker 11: just a nightmare and the other extremely dangerous part. And

3256
03:07:47,000 --> 03:07:49,039
Speaker 11: this is also true with the other places we want

3257
03:07:49,040 --> 03:07:52,160
Speaker 11: to be talking about, but is particularly has been true

3258
03:07:52,200 --> 03:07:53,800
Speaker 11: in a lot of places in India is that it's

3259
03:07:53,840 --> 03:07:56,640
Speaker 11: not really cooling at night, and that as we've discussed

3260
03:07:56,640 --> 03:07:58,880
Speaker 11: on this show before in a whole bunch of different segments,

3261
03:07:58,920 --> 03:08:01,520
Speaker 11: but it's worth repeating every single time it is hot.

3262
03:08:02,520 --> 03:08:05,080
Speaker 11: That's one of the ways that things get very, very

3263
03:08:05,200 --> 03:08:08,480
Speaker 11: dangerous because when there art periods you can cool off

3264
03:08:08,520 --> 03:08:10,400
Speaker 11: at night. That is like, that is part of the

3265
03:08:10,480 --> 03:08:13,200
Speaker 11: way that that heat stroken, deaths from heat injury are

3266
03:08:13,360 --> 03:08:14,720
Speaker 11: exacerbated intensified.

3267
03:08:15,879 --> 03:08:20,080
Speaker 3: Now there's also a heat wave going on across Europe.

3268
03:08:20,240 --> 03:08:22,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of heat waves to go around here.

3269
03:08:22,959 --> 03:08:27,240
Speaker 11: Yeah, fortunately, yeah, yeah, oh yeah, yeah. So both the

3270
03:08:27,360 --> 03:08:30,640
Speaker 11: UK and France are seeing their hottest weather on record.

3271
03:08:30,760 --> 03:08:33,199
Speaker 11: France saw their hottest day on record and their hottest

3272
03:08:33,280 --> 03:08:37,360
Speaker 11: night on record, which is extremely bad. Forty people have

3273
03:08:38,040 --> 03:08:40,840
Speaker 11: died in France. I think it's the beginning of June,

3274
03:08:41,760 --> 03:08:44,760
Speaker 11: just from drownings from people trying to escape the heat.

3275
03:08:44,959 --> 03:08:52,000
Speaker 11: Got that's really yeah, that's brutal. Yeah, and there's also

3276
03:08:52,040 --> 03:08:55,400
Speaker 11: been a record temperatures places in Spain. You're seeing temperatures

3277
03:08:55,480 --> 03:08:59,920
Speaker 11: that should not be happening, not just at sea level,

3278
03:09:00,120 --> 03:09:02,840
Speaker 11: but up in the mountains. You're seeing temperatures that are

3279
03:09:03,440 --> 03:09:08,200
Speaker 11: astounding and temperatures that you know, the architecture of these

3280
03:09:08,280 --> 03:09:11,960
Speaker 11: places and they're electrical grids, and just like do you

3281
03:09:12,080 --> 03:09:15,320
Speaker 11: have air conditioning? Right, Like a lot of the places

3282
03:09:15,360 --> 03:09:17,240
Speaker 11: with these ways are striking, are not places that they've

3283
03:09:17,240 --> 03:09:21,320
Speaker 11: necessarily hit before, and they're not designed to handle this

3284
03:09:21,600 --> 03:09:22,199
Speaker 11: kind of heat.

3285
03:09:22,400 --> 03:09:23,680
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean people haven't familiar.

3286
03:09:24,280 --> 03:09:27,360
Speaker 13: Most of our houses in Europe built differently from houses

3287
03:09:27,360 --> 03:09:31,279
Speaker 13: in the US, and they're not particularly designed, like especially

3288
03:09:32,120 --> 03:09:33,920
Speaker 13: as you get into Spain, like some of the designed

3289
03:09:33,920 --> 03:09:36,160
Speaker 13: with shade in mind, but not with like a temperature

3290
03:09:36,400 --> 03:09:39,400
Speaker 13: conservation insulation, and so it's specifically a conditioning, right.

3291
03:09:39,480 --> 03:09:41,400
Speaker 7: Air conditioning is much much less common than it is

3292
03:09:41,440 --> 03:09:42,240
Speaker 7: in the United States.

3293
03:09:42,400 --> 03:09:42,600
Speaker 2: Yep.

3294
03:09:43,280 --> 03:09:45,680
Speaker 11: Yeah, It's also worth noting that, like one of the

3295
03:09:45,720 --> 03:09:47,920
Speaker 11: things is intensifying this in a lot of places in India.

3296
03:09:48,040 --> 03:09:48,720
Speaker 2: But this is true.

3297
03:09:49,480 --> 03:09:52,080
Speaker 11: The more into the developing world you are, like the

3298
03:09:52,160 --> 03:09:54,720
Speaker 11: more fucked you are in a lot of ways about this.

3299
03:09:55,000 --> 03:09:57,720
Speaker 11: But like you're also dealing with a lot of places

3300
03:09:57,760 --> 03:10:00,880
Speaker 11: where just the trees have been cut down for industrial

3301
03:10:00,959 --> 03:10:04,880
Speaker 11: and sort of mining purposes, and that also is increasing temperatures.

3302
03:10:05,400 --> 03:10:08,640
Speaker 11: And I want to close by just saying that, right,

3303
03:10:08,720 --> 03:10:13,400
Speaker 11: we're seeing the hottest temperatures on record. And this is

3304
03:10:13,480 --> 03:10:18,040
Speaker 11: what's happening under one point four degrees of global warming. Right,

3305
03:10:18,800 --> 03:10:21,120
Speaker 11: Like the versions of this where we're supposed to be

3306
03:10:21,240 --> 03:10:25,200
Speaker 11: stabilizing are you know, the sort of was supposed to

3307
03:10:25,200 --> 03:10:28,360
Speaker 11: be the sort of habitable zone. Right, The ca scenarios

3308
03:10:28,360 --> 03:10:31,040
Speaker 11: where we like quote unquote deal with climate change are

3309
03:10:32,000 --> 03:10:34,880
Speaker 11: like two degrees of warming, two point five degrees of warming.

3310
03:10:35,480 --> 03:10:39,240
Speaker 3: It's already this bad. It is just going to get worse.

3311
03:10:40,160 --> 03:10:44,000
Speaker 11: And this is one of the just persistent kind of

3312
03:10:44,200 --> 03:10:48,320
Speaker 11: quiet crises that is happening in the back top of

3313
03:10:48,360 --> 03:10:51,280
Speaker 11: everything else, which is that, Yeah, the way that we're

3314
03:10:51,600 --> 03:10:54,040
Speaker 11: powering all of our industries is causing the world to burn.

3315
03:10:54,760 --> 03:10:58,240
Speaker 13: Yeah, complicated further by like austerity measures and make it

3316
03:10:58,320 --> 03:11:02,120
Speaker 13: harder for people to fund cooling their homes in Europe, right,

3317
03:11:02,959 --> 03:11:04,760
Speaker 13: and the things you might need to buy or do

3318
03:11:04,959 --> 03:11:07,280
Speaker 13: to keep your house cool. Margaret and I mad an

3319
03:11:07,280 --> 03:11:09,240
Speaker 13: episode a while ago about heat wave. So you're looking

3320
03:11:09,320 --> 03:11:11,280
Speaker 13: for some resources, you might be able to find some there.

3321
03:11:11,560 --> 03:11:14,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's go and break and then we will return

3322
03:11:14,560 --> 03:11:17,280
Speaker 3: for a few more news stories, hopefully not all of

3323
03:11:17,400 --> 03:11:18,320
Speaker 3: them depressing.

3324
03:11:18,440 --> 03:11:32,360
Speaker 2: Don't worry, I've got a happy one. Yay, we're back,

3325
03:11:34,080 --> 03:11:37,200
Speaker 2: and as promised, I have some less depressing stuff to

3326
03:11:37,280 --> 03:11:39,720
Speaker 2: talk to you all about. Oh sorry, no, I messed up.

3327
03:11:40,120 --> 03:11:42,520
Speaker 2: We're going to talk about the deaths of millions. So

3328
03:11:42,720 --> 03:11:44,680
Speaker 2: if you can recall back to the first months of

3329
03:11:44,680 --> 03:11:48,080
Speaker 2: the Trump administration, in like February third, twenty twenty five,

3330
03:11:48,160 --> 03:11:51,400
Speaker 2: this is a little bit after Musk started his you know,

3331
03:11:51,640 --> 03:11:54,760
Speaker 2: the early stages of his work with DOGE. He tweeted, quote,

3332
03:11:54,840 --> 03:11:57,640
Speaker 2: we spent the weekend feeding USAID at the wood Shipper.

3333
03:11:57,640 --> 03:12:00,280
Speaker 2: I think we all remember that that great moment. And

3334
03:12:01,000 --> 03:12:04,480
Speaker 2: this been widely criticized, and there are numerous articles, studies,

3335
03:12:04,520 --> 03:12:06,960
Speaker 2: and reports that have come out and made the case

3336
03:12:07,040 --> 03:12:10,440
Speaker 2: that the cuts to USAID that Doge made have resulted

3337
03:12:10,480 --> 03:12:13,920
Speaker 2: in a tremendous amount of human death and suffering. Musk

3338
03:12:13,959 --> 03:12:17,440
Speaker 2: has consistently denied this. Earlier this week, he quote tweeted

3339
03:12:17,440 --> 03:12:20,320
Speaker 2: a fan who had written, if cutting USAID killed a child,

3340
03:12:20,480 --> 03:12:22,480
Speaker 2: a single child, it would be covered by the media

3341
03:12:22,600 --> 03:12:26,440
Speaker 2: like the biggest story in history. Musk added exactly in

3342
03:12:26,560 --> 03:12:30,279
Speaker 2: his quote tweet. Now, there actually have been several stories

3343
03:12:30,440 --> 03:12:33,119
Speaker 2: that specify individual children that have died because of cuts

3344
03:12:33,160 --> 03:12:35,120
Speaker 2: to USAID and we'll be talking about some of them.

3345
03:12:35,280 --> 03:12:37,080
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, But I want to quote from a recent

3346
03:12:37,200 --> 03:12:41,039
Speaker 2: article by Matt Novak and Gizmoto, the Trillionaire Oligarchy, if

3347
03:12:41,080 --> 03:12:43,240
Speaker 2: it insisted that USAID is the one that's killed people,

3348
03:12:43,320 --> 03:12:46,560
Speaker 2: retweeting a conspiracy theory from Rand Paul that Anthony Fauci

3349
03:12:46,720 --> 03:12:49,120
Speaker 2: was to blame for the COVID nineteen pandemic because federal

3350
03:12:49,160 --> 03:12:51,400
Speaker 2: funds were being used to conduct gain a function research.

3351
03:12:51,840 --> 03:12:55,960
Speaker 2: Usa'd money killed millions, must wrote Tuesday. Admittedly, US intelligence

3352
03:12:55,959 --> 03:12:58,680
Speaker 2: agencies now endorsed the idea that COVID nineteen escaped from

3353
03:12:58,680 --> 03:13:00,959
Speaker 2: a lab, but that only happened after President Trump took

3354
03:13:01,000 --> 03:13:03,920
Speaker 2: office for a second time. Before Trump took control, intel

3355
03:13:04,000 --> 03:13:07,240
Speaker 2: agencies were largely skeptical of the idea. So you're already

3356
03:13:07,280 --> 03:13:09,640
Speaker 2: seeing like the dimensions of sort of the spin here

3357
03:13:09,920 --> 03:13:12,199
Speaker 2: to the all of the many deaths as a result

3358
03:13:12,240 --> 03:13:14,080
Speaker 2: of and this, this, this will come down to not

3359
03:13:14,280 --> 03:13:16,360
Speaker 2: just you know, the USA cut cuts. But anytime this

3360
03:13:16,440 --> 03:13:19,960
Speaker 2: is pointed out is the counterfact will be well, but

3361
03:13:20,280 --> 03:13:22,800
Speaker 2: you know, actually, these these these groups were killing way

3362
03:13:22,840 --> 03:13:26,400
Speaker 2: more people because of and then insert this insane conspiracy theory. Right,

3363
03:13:26,440 --> 03:13:29,120
Speaker 2: we've reached the point where they're now load bearing. Ye,

3364
03:13:29,400 --> 03:13:32,600
Speaker 2: both for like the personal like mental health of the

3365
03:13:32,720 --> 03:13:36,200
Speaker 2: richest man in the world, and for the federal government itself.

3366
03:13:36,360 --> 03:13:39,160
Speaker 2: Like the conspiracy theories aren't just a thing that are

3367
03:13:39,240 --> 03:13:41,960
Speaker 2: being sign posted to get votes. They're a load bearing

3368
03:13:42,040 --> 03:13:46,360
Speaker 2: part of the ideology, because otherwise everything's a failure. Right,

3369
03:13:47,160 --> 03:13:51,560
Speaker 2: good stuff, Glad we're here. So Novak's article noted, and

3370
03:13:51,720 --> 03:13:53,960
Speaker 2: as I opened the episode by mentioning, a ton of

3371
03:13:53,959 --> 03:13:56,120
Speaker 2: people have done the important work of documenting just how

3372
03:13:56,200 --> 03:13:58,760
Speaker 2: many human beings have been killed as a result of

3373
03:13:58,800 --> 03:14:02,240
Speaker 2: the cuts that Elon muh was integral in pushing. We'll

3374
03:14:02,280 --> 03:14:03,840
Speaker 2: talk more about that later, but I want to give

3375
03:14:03,920 --> 03:14:06,880
Speaker 2: one example from a Washington Post article published in September

3376
03:14:06,920 --> 03:14:09,680
Speaker 2: of twenty twenty five that does specify a single child

3377
03:14:09,760 --> 03:14:12,760
Speaker 2: that was killed as a result of these cuts. Quote.

3378
03:14:13,040 --> 03:14:15,840
Speaker 2: Fever ravaged the body of five year old Suzic Kenyabi

3379
03:14:15,879 --> 03:14:17,880
Speaker 2: as she sweated and shivered on a thin mattress and

3380
03:14:17,920 --> 03:14:20,400
Speaker 2: a two room clinic in the Democratic Republic of Congo.

3381
03:14:21,080 --> 03:14:23,320
Speaker 2: The pig tailed girl who had liked pretty dresses, was

3382
03:14:23,360 --> 03:14:26,520
Speaker 2: battling malaria and desperately needed medication that could save her life.

3383
03:14:26,720 --> 03:14:29,959
Speaker 2: That medication already purchased by a US taxpayer funded program,

3384
03:14:30,120 --> 03:14:32,640
Speaker 2: was tantalizingly close a little more than seven miles away,

3385
03:14:32,879 --> 03:14:34,920
Speaker 2: but it hadn't reached the clinic where Susa was being

3386
03:14:34,959 --> 03:14:37,600
Speaker 2: treated because President Donald Trump's suspension of four and eight

3387
03:14:37,640 --> 03:14:41,000
Speaker 2: had thrown supply chains into chaos. The injection Susan needed

3388
03:14:41,040 --> 03:14:43,440
Speaker 2: had traveled thousands of miles to the Central African nation

3389
03:14:43,720 --> 03:14:46,320
Speaker 2: Usaight and other records show, only to be stranded in

3390
03:14:46,320 --> 03:14:48,800
Speaker 2: a regional distribution warehouse in the same city where she

3391
03:14:48,920 --> 03:14:51,200
Speaker 2: was gasping for air. Less than a week after her

3392
03:14:51,200 --> 03:14:54,520
Speaker 2: symptoms began, Susa was dead. Congolese government data shows that

3393
03:14:54,600 --> 03:14:57,240
Speaker 2: in Susa's province, deaths caused by malaria nearly tripled in

3394
03:14:57,320 --> 03:15:01,040
Speaker 2: the first half of this year, So keep that in

3395
03:15:01,160 --> 03:15:03,840
Speaker 2: mind during this next bet. That's just one of many

3396
03:15:04,000 --> 03:15:06,040
Speaker 2: stories we may I think I will cover this at

3397
03:15:06,080 --> 03:15:08,440
Speaker 2: some point on bTB in more detail. But a couple

3398
03:15:08,480 --> 03:15:10,480
Speaker 2: of days ago, you know, the same week that we're

3399
03:15:10,560 --> 03:15:15,360
Speaker 2: recording this episode, Roekana, a Democrat from California, went on

3400
03:15:15,520 --> 03:15:18,560
Speaker 2: the Ihip News podcast, which I am not familiar with,

3401
03:15:18,720 --> 03:15:21,840
Speaker 2: but is apparently a sister podcast to what the Hill

3402
03:15:22,000 --> 03:15:25,520
Speaker 2: calls the notable. I've had it podcast. I don't know

3403
03:15:25,760 --> 03:15:29,160
Speaker 2: who any of these people are, but whatever. Kinda was asked, like,

3404
03:15:29,400 --> 03:15:32,440
Speaker 2: what will your party do if the Democrats win the midterms?

3405
03:15:33,000 --> 03:15:35,520
Speaker 2: Here's what the Hill says happen next. I do believe

3406
03:15:35,560 --> 03:15:37,520
Speaker 2: that once we take power, there has to be accountability.

3407
03:15:37,520 --> 03:15:40,520
Speaker 2: There needs to be accountability for Elon Musk Kinda told Welch,

3408
03:15:40,920 --> 03:15:44,199
Speaker 2: you know, they're celebrating that he created forty four hundred millionaires,

3409
03:15:44,240 --> 03:15:45,560
Speaker 2: but they don't talk about the four and a half

3410
03:15:45,680 --> 03:15:48,080
Speaker 2: million children around the world who he possibly sentenced to

3411
03:15:48,120 --> 03:15:51,520
Speaker 2: death by dismantling the US Agency for International Development USA.

3412
03:15:52,000 --> 03:15:54,119
Speaker 2: Kinda added, he needs to answer for that. He needs

3413
03:15:54,160 --> 03:15:56,760
Speaker 2: to be subpoened, he needs to face investigation. He needs

3414
03:15:56,800 --> 03:15:58,600
Speaker 2: to answer for what he did with the Department of

3415
03:15:58,640 --> 03:16:03,039
Speaker 2: Government Efficiency. Kanna's comments were quickly exerted from the podcast

3416
03:16:03,120 --> 03:16:06,080
Speaker 2: itself and shared all around the Internet until they reached Musk,

3417
03:16:06,200 --> 03:16:08,000
Speaker 2: and he made a comment of his own on the

3418
03:16:08,160 --> 03:16:11,200
Speaker 2: website that he owns. The standard applied by DOGE was

3419
03:16:11,280 --> 03:16:14,279
Speaker 2: very simple and easy. Provide contact information for the recipients

3420
03:16:14,280 --> 03:16:16,320
Speaker 2: of AIDS that we can confirm it's not fraudulent. The

3421
03:16:16,400 --> 03:16:18,920
Speaker 2: tech Trillionaire set in one of the posts. The reality

3422
03:16:19,000 --> 03:16:21,280
Speaker 2: is that money was being sent to corrupt politicians under

3423
03:16:21,280 --> 03:16:23,920
Speaker 2: the guise of AID liars and stock inside traders like Row.

3424
03:16:23,959 --> 03:16:26,200
Speaker 2: The robbers should be in prison. Musk went on to

3425
03:16:26,280 --> 03:16:28,199
Speaker 2: claim that it's time to sue this liar.

3426
03:16:28,400 --> 03:16:30,600
Speaker 7: It would be great if he sued them. That would

3427
03:16:30,600 --> 03:16:31,520
Speaker 7: be a fantastic out.

3428
03:16:32,400 --> 03:16:32,680
Speaker 3: Great.

3429
03:16:32,879 --> 03:16:35,000
Speaker 2: I'd be fine with that. It looks like the direction

3430
03:16:35,160 --> 03:16:37,920
Speaker 2: Roe wants to go as much dumber because everything, if

3431
03:16:37,959 --> 03:16:41,520
Speaker 2: every one of us politics is annoying. Kanna responded to

3432
03:16:41,600 --> 03:16:44,640
Speaker 2: this by challenging Elon Musk to a televised debate, and

3433
03:16:45,240 --> 03:16:47,560
Speaker 2: I'm the fuck all, I'm not gonna say what I think.

3434
03:16:47,720 --> 03:16:50,520
Speaker 2: I'm frustrated anyway. Instead of going into that, I want

3435
03:16:50,560 --> 03:16:53,520
Speaker 2: to talk about where the number rows sided came from,

3436
03:16:53,600 --> 03:16:55,720
Speaker 2: because that is worth discussing. It has claimed four and

3437
03:16:55,720 --> 03:16:58,080
Speaker 2: a half million children who might die as a result

3438
03:16:58,120 --> 03:17:01,119
Speaker 2: of the USAID cuts. On January first of twenty twenty five,

3439
03:17:01,200 --> 03:17:04,160
Speaker 2: the UCA Fielding School of Public Health carried out research

3440
03:17:04,680 --> 03:17:08,199
Speaker 2: that found that over the prior twenty years USAID funding

3441
03:17:08,240 --> 03:17:12,040
Speaker 2: it helped save ninety one million lives. Obviously, that same

3442
03:17:12,080 --> 03:17:15,320
Speaker 2: study also concluded that the massive cuts to usaid under

3443
03:17:15,360 --> 03:17:18,280
Speaker 2: Trump would imperil that work, and they calculated that the

3444
03:17:18,360 --> 03:17:21,440
Speaker 2: cuts would cause fourteen million additional deaths around the world

3445
03:17:21,520 --> 03:17:24,160
Speaker 2: by twenty thirty, including the deaths of more than four

3446
03:17:24,200 --> 03:17:26,720
Speaker 2: and a half million children under five. So, if you

3447
03:17:26,760 --> 03:17:28,560
Speaker 2: look back to rose phrasing, I think he actually did

3448
03:17:28,600 --> 03:17:32,119
Speaker 2: a reasonably good job of like citing this information, because

3449
03:17:32,280 --> 03:17:33,840
Speaker 2: what Rose said was they don't talk about the four

3450
03:17:33,840 --> 03:17:35,560
Speaker 2: and a half million children around the world who he

3451
03:17:35,760 --> 03:17:38,880
Speaker 2: possibly sends to death by dismantling USA. Right, That's a

3452
03:17:39,040 --> 03:17:41,879
Speaker 2: reasonably accurate way to sum that up. So I'll give

3453
03:17:41,920 --> 03:17:43,600
Speaker 2: Rose some points there, although I'll take a couple of

3454
03:17:43,640 --> 03:17:46,440
Speaker 2: points away because this phrasing does somewhat emit that these

3455
03:17:46,480 --> 03:17:49,360
Speaker 2: are predicted future deaths. He's not like not saying that,

3456
03:17:49,480 --> 03:17:51,640
Speaker 2: but he could have been a little clearer here. Yeah,

3457
03:17:51,760 --> 03:17:53,960
Speaker 2: And I might also say because I think you could

3458
03:17:54,040 --> 03:17:57,280
Speaker 2: argue that he undercounted the severity of what that study says,

3459
03:17:57,400 --> 03:17:59,400
Speaker 2: because the study just notes that four and a half

3460
03:17:59,440 --> 03:18:02,800
Speaker 2: million children under five could die as a result of

3461
03:18:02,879 --> 03:18:05,960
Speaker 2: these cuts, which suggests way more than four and a

3462
03:18:06,000 --> 03:18:08,840
Speaker 2: half million total children deaths. Right, there are a lot

3463
03:18:08,879 --> 03:18:10,520
Speaker 2: of children who are over five.

3464
03:18:11,080 --> 03:18:13,440
Speaker 7: Yeah, Yeah, most of the children are of a fund.

3465
03:18:13,680 --> 03:18:16,600
Speaker 2: Most children are probably over five years old. I do

3466
03:18:16,680 --> 03:18:18,960
Speaker 2: want to quote from UCLA Studies again here, just to

3467
03:18:19,000 --> 03:18:22,200
Speaker 2: clarify where their data came from. Quote the London based

3468
03:18:22,320 --> 03:18:24,480
Speaker 2: journal The Lance. It analyzed data from one hundred and

3469
03:18:24,520 --> 03:18:27,640
Speaker 2: thirty three countries. The work combined to approaches a retrospective

3470
03:18:27,680 --> 03:18:30,320
Speaker 2: evaluation covering the years twenty one to twenty twenty one,

3471
03:18:30,600 --> 03:18:33,480
Speaker 2: and forecasting models projecting impacts through twenty thirty. Based on

3472
03:18:33,520 --> 03:18:37,080
Speaker 2: reductions to the budget of USAIGHT, US citizens contribute about

3473
03:18:37,120 --> 03:18:39,520
Speaker 2: seventeen cents per day to US eight about sixty four

3474
03:18:39,560 --> 03:18:41,840
Speaker 2: dollars per year. I think most people would support continued

3475
03:18:41,920 --> 03:18:44,240
Speaker 2: USAID funding if they knew just how effective such a

3476
03:18:44,280 --> 03:18:46,879
Speaker 2: small contribution can be to saving millions of lives, said

3477
03:18:46,920 --> 03:18:49,560
Speaker 2: doctor James Machenko. And I agree with that. I think

3478
03:18:49,800 --> 03:18:51,280
Speaker 2: those are the kind of numbers that we should be

3479
03:18:51,360 --> 03:18:54,480
Speaker 2: putting out, which is like, this is how little money

3480
03:18:54,560 --> 03:18:58,240
Speaker 2: it costs per US tax repair to save this huge

3481
03:18:58,360 --> 03:19:01,280
Speaker 2: number of lives around the world. It's worth digging into

3482
03:19:01,400 --> 03:19:03,440
Speaker 2: some of the more specific reporting we've seen on the

3483
03:19:03,480 --> 03:19:07,280
Speaker 2: consequences of these USAID cuts, because the reporting that Roe

3484
03:19:07,440 --> 03:19:10,840
Speaker 2: was citing is just predicting future possible deaths. Yeah, but

3485
03:19:11,080 --> 03:19:13,960
Speaker 2: there's documentation, as I cited earlier, about the people that

3486
03:19:14,040 --> 03:19:17,240
Speaker 2: Elon Musk and Doge have already helped to kill or

3487
03:19:17,280 --> 03:19:20,680
Speaker 2: write or who have the cuts that they have championed

3488
03:19:20,959 --> 03:19:23,440
Speaker 2: have led to these people's deaths, would be the most

3489
03:19:23,959 --> 03:19:27,840
Speaker 2: accurate way of saying that and celebrated like yeah, and

3490
03:19:27,959 --> 03:19:31,040
Speaker 2: celebrated it right they have. So again, I'll probably do

3491
03:19:31,080 --> 03:19:32,560
Speaker 2: a whole bTB and all this stuff later, but I

3492
03:19:32,600 --> 03:19:35,000
Speaker 2: want to discuss one more story which was published earlier

3493
03:19:35,040 --> 03:19:37,160
Speaker 2: this year in the New York Times. The title that

3494
03:19:37,280 --> 03:19:40,039
Speaker 2: article was in Afghanistan, a Trail of hunger and death

3495
03:19:40,120 --> 03:19:45,119
Speaker 2: behind usaid cuts. Trump last year very suddenly cut usaid

3496
03:19:45,160 --> 03:19:47,680
Speaker 2: to Afghanistan. You know, even after our twenty twenty one

3497
03:19:47,720 --> 03:19:49,800
Speaker 2: pull out from the country, we had continued to send

3498
03:19:49,840 --> 03:19:52,440
Speaker 2: a significant amount about a billion dollars worth of aid

3499
03:19:52,520 --> 03:19:54,840
Speaker 2: a year, which was more than a third of all

3500
03:19:54,920 --> 03:19:57,560
Speaker 2: of the aid flowing into Afghanistan. So given the status

3501
03:19:57,640 --> 03:19:59,320
Speaker 2: of that country, you can see how load bearing that

3502
03:19:59,440 --> 03:20:03,520
Speaker 2: is to their life infrastructure of health. Cutting that has

3503
03:20:03,640 --> 03:20:06,840
Speaker 2: caused the worst child starvation crisis in twenty five years

3504
03:20:06,879 --> 03:20:10,120
Speaker 2: in Afghanistan. And this catastrophe has been exacerbated by the

3505
03:20:10,160 --> 03:20:12,280
Speaker 2: closing of four hundred and fifty health centers as a

3506
03:20:12,280 --> 03:20:15,240
Speaker 2: result of these cuts. Here's a selection from that Times article.

3507
03:20:15,720 --> 03:20:18,120
Speaker 2: The isolated province of Daikundi has lost many of its

3508
03:20:18,160 --> 03:20:20,800
Speaker 2: health clinics to the US eight cuts. The clinic in Naleje,

3509
03:20:20,840 --> 03:20:23,360
Speaker 2: surrounded by parched fields of almond and mulberry trees, was

3510
03:20:23,360 --> 03:20:26,000
Speaker 2: a lifeline for eight hundred and fifty families. The villager

3511
03:20:26,040 --> 03:20:28,920
Speaker 2: say it's closure has hurt children the most. Sakiya, three

3512
03:20:28,959 --> 03:20:31,119
Speaker 2: months old, has been vomiting since birth and her condition

3513
03:20:31,240 --> 03:20:34,720
Speaker 2: is deteriorating, said her mother, Sharifa Kowari. For weeks, she

3514
03:20:34,800 --> 03:20:36,680
Speaker 2: hoped her husband would bring back enough money from the

3515
03:20:36,720 --> 03:20:38,680
Speaker 2: coal mine where he worked to finance a taxi ride

3516
03:20:38,720 --> 03:20:40,880
Speaker 2: to the nearest clinic, but he said his pay was

3517
03:20:40,920 --> 03:20:43,039
Speaker 2: barely enough to put food on the table. The loss

3518
03:20:43,040 --> 03:20:45,160
Speaker 2: of the clinic erased years of monitoring that had saved

3519
03:20:45,240 --> 03:20:47,960
Speaker 2: children's lives. When I was giving birth, we were losing babies,

3520
03:20:47,959 --> 03:20:50,560
Speaker 2: said Nick Bocht, miss Kowari's mother in law. One would

3521
03:20:50,600 --> 03:20:54,040
Speaker 2: hope that younger mothers these days wouldn't face that. And

3522
03:20:54,200 --> 03:20:57,360
Speaker 2: another tragedy contained that article quote In twenty twenty four,

3523
03:20:57,480 --> 03:21:00,280
Speaker 2: the United States funded over half of Afghanistan's nutrient and

3524
03:21:00,320 --> 03:21:04,080
Speaker 2: agricultural programs. Food and security has skyrocketed since last year's cuts.

3525
03:21:04,160 --> 03:21:07,000
Speaker 2: More than seventeen million Afghans, forty percent of the population

3526
03:21:07,400 --> 03:21:09,720
Speaker 2: now face acute levels of hunger, two million more than

3527
03:21:09,800 --> 03:21:13,320
Speaker 2: last year. Seven province has faced critical food and security,

3528
03:21:13,400 --> 03:21:16,320
Speaker 2: the final stage before famine, according to the Integrated Food

3529
03:21:16,400 --> 03:21:20,000
Speaker 2: Security Phase Classification, a group of international organizations that the

3530
03:21:20,080 --> 03:21:23,320
Speaker 2: United Nations and aid agencies rely on to monitor global hunger.

3531
03:21:23,480 --> 03:21:25,920
Speaker 2: None were at this level a year ago. Mount nutrition

3532
03:21:26,080 --> 03:21:29,160
Speaker 2: is also hitting cities, affecting the most vulnerable, the very young, sick,

3533
03:21:29,200 --> 03:21:32,320
Speaker 2: and elderly first, as it does elsewhere. Muhammad Ali, nine

3534
03:21:32,320 --> 03:21:34,360
Speaker 2: months old, was one of a dozen toddlers way lating

3535
03:21:34,360 --> 03:21:36,800
Speaker 2: their dozing in a Kabul nutrition ward on a recent morning.

3536
03:21:37,080 --> 03:21:38,920
Speaker 2: He was too weak to ingest milks at his mother,

3537
03:21:39,160 --> 03:21:41,720
Speaker 2: her husband's meager and commis a housekeeper, means they often

3538
03:21:41,800 --> 03:21:45,320
Speaker 2: eat only once a day. And there's millions of stories

3539
03:21:45,440 --> 03:21:47,560
Speaker 2: like this already, and just to hit I mean, the

3540
03:21:47,680 --> 03:21:49,480
Speaker 2: number of deaths already as a result of these cuts

3541
03:21:49,520 --> 03:21:52,680
Speaker 2: is hideous and undeniable, and one of the counters. You'll

3542
03:21:52,720 --> 03:21:54,320
Speaker 2: see when this get brought up to Musk and his

3543
03:21:54,440 --> 03:21:56,360
Speaker 2: fawning fans, is that like, oh, the money was just

3544
03:21:56,400 --> 03:21:59,640
Speaker 2: going to corrupt dictators and local rulers and like no

3545
03:22:00,120 --> 03:22:03,200
Speaker 2: damage that were already seeing shows that it wasn't. There

3546
03:22:03,440 --> 03:22:06,120
Speaker 2: was aiden place that was catching some people and it's

3547
03:22:06,200 --> 03:22:09,200
Speaker 2: not catching them now and the human consequences of this

3548
03:22:09,360 --> 03:22:12,879
Speaker 2: have been atrocious, and that's that's just inarguable. Yeah, anyway,

3549
03:22:12,920 --> 03:22:13,880
Speaker 2: that's all I got for today.

3550
03:22:14,440 --> 03:22:18,240
Speaker 13: I remember that time receiving calls and messages from people

3551
03:22:18,560 --> 03:22:21,560
Speaker 13: in the in the Burmese tiaspar and on the Thai

3552
03:22:21,840 --> 03:22:24,640
Speaker 13: Burmese border about one of the only clinics where people

3553
03:22:24,680 --> 03:22:28,280
Speaker 13: could deliver their babies closing down and people literally going

3554
03:22:28,360 --> 03:22:31,520
Speaker 13: to the clinic finally it locked like inaccessible to them

3555
03:22:31,560 --> 03:22:34,920
Speaker 13: and delivering their babies on the street outside. Like this

3556
03:22:35,120 --> 03:22:40,320
Speaker 13: is within maybe days hours after the USA, after after

3557
03:22:40,480 --> 03:22:42,080
Speaker 13: la Must tweeted about how he didn't go to a

3558
03:22:42,160 --> 03:22:45,360
Speaker 13: party because he was too busy acting this shit like yeah,

3559
03:22:45,879 --> 03:22:49,200
Speaker 13: I've seen usad all over the world, and yeah, undoubtedly

3560
03:22:50,360 --> 03:22:52,960
Speaker 13: not every penny that goes into that goes directly to

3561
03:22:53,240 --> 03:22:55,560
Speaker 13: buying food, because that's not how that shit works, right,

3562
03:22:55,600 --> 03:22:57,920
Speaker 13: People have to administer this, People have to get things done.

3563
03:22:58,120 --> 03:23:01,480
Speaker 13: Sometimes the way you get things done is through things

3564
03:23:01,560 --> 03:23:06,600
Speaker 13: that we would consider corruption. I don't particularly care as

3565
03:23:06,800 --> 03:23:09,800
Speaker 13: long as it results in the person who needs food

3566
03:23:09,800 --> 03:23:12,440
Speaker 13: getting food, or who needs medicine getting medicine. And like,

3567
03:23:12,600 --> 03:23:15,320
Speaker 13: there are of course other ways to achieve that end,

3568
03:23:15,360 --> 03:23:17,360
Speaker 13: and I think we should pursue them. But like, this

3569
03:23:17,560 --> 03:23:19,640
Speaker 13: is one of the worst things that the Trump administration

3570
03:23:19,760 --> 03:23:22,600
Speaker 13: has done, one of the cruelest and most evil things

3571
03:23:23,120 --> 03:23:25,480
Speaker 13: that the United States has done in a very long time.

3572
03:23:25,800 --> 03:23:29,680
Speaker 13: And like the USAID often crowded out other agencies, right,

3573
03:23:29,879 --> 03:23:34,200
Speaker 13: so that like local networks, local NGOs, other NGOs couldn't

3574
03:23:34,720 --> 03:23:37,600
Speaker 13: exist in that space, And then bait and switching like

3575
03:23:37,680 --> 03:23:40,360
Speaker 13: this is particularly evil for.

3576
03:23:40,600 --> 03:23:45,760
Speaker 3: Our last main story, something that is I arguably arguably

3577
03:23:45,879 --> 03:23:49,720
Speaker 3: less depressing. On Tuesday night, we saw the first real

3578
03:23:49,800 --> 03:23:53,920
Speaker 3: test of Zoramumdani and New York City DSA's political power.

3579
03:23:54,720 --> 03:23:58,920
Speaker 3: All three of the Mamdani endorsed candidates, one the Congressional

3580
03:23:59,040 --> 03:24:03,199
Speaker 3: Democratic Crime I'm Mary, and nine out of ten insurgent

3581
03:24:03,280 --> 03:24:07,280
Speaker 3: candidates on the DSA slate won their races for Congress,

3582
03:24:07,360 --> 03:24:11,560
Speaker 3: State Assembly, and state Senate. These insurgent candidates are non

3583
03:24:11,600 --> 03:24:15,600
Speaker 3: income people challenging seats. Now, as for the Mamdani slate,

3584
03:24:16,080 --> 03:24:21,080
Speaker 3: former City comptrol Or Bradlander beat incumbent Congressman Dan Goldman

3585
03:24:21,560 --> 03:24:23,400
Speaker 3: with sixty five point eight percent of the vote in

3586
03:24:23,520 --> 03:24:27,680
Speaker 3: District ten, which is Park Slope to Lower Manhattan. Dan

3587
03:24:27,720 --> 03:24:31,360
Speaker 3: Goldman is an establishment Democrat who's supported by Apak. He

3588
03:24:31,480 --> 03:24:36,640
Speaker 3: got famous for Trump's first impeachment hearings. Oh how well

3589
03:24:36,720 --> 03:24:41,120
Speaker 3: that went. Bradlander opposes a pack has long called Israel's

3590
03:24:41,160 --> 03:24:44,840
Speaker 3: actions in Gaza genocide, but also describes himself as a

3591
03:24:44,959 --> 03:24:48,320
Speaker 3: quote unquote liberal Zionist, the one that would vote against

3592
03:24:48,480 --> 03:24:53,440
Speaker 3: offensive weapons sales to Israel. When campaigning with Mamdani and

3593
03:24:53,640 --> 03:24:57,680
Speaker 3: Palestinian activists Mohsen Madui, who's been targeted by the Trump administration,

3594
03:24:58,320 --> 03:25:01,360
Speaker 3: Bradlander said, quote as a proud Jewish New Yorker, I

3595
03:25:01,440 --> 03:25:04,720
Speaker 3: will join you in that fight to end occupation and

3596
03:25:04,840 --> 03:25:09,920
Speaker 3: apartheid and genocide. Lander's victory here is a pretty significant

3597
03:25:09,959 --> 03:25:11,760
Speaker 3: upset he was projected to when he was doing good

3598
03:25:11,800 --> 03:25:15,480
Speaker 3: in the polls, but unseating Goldman is not a small feat.

3599
03:25:16,240 --> 03:25:18,120
Speaker 3: The second congression race, I want to talk about is

3600
03:25:18,240 --> 03:25:22,320
Speaker 3: in Bushwick, Greenpoint and Williamsburg, and this was technically an

3601
03:25:22,400 --> 03:25:26,840
Speaker 3: empty seat, but the outgoing congresswoman threw her backing behind

3602
03:25:27,320 --> 03:25:32,440
Speaker 3: progressive Antonio Renoso. The Brooklyn Bureau President Mom Donnie, and

3603
03:25:32,560 --> 03:25:36,520
Speaker 3: the DSA backed Claire Valdez, a state assembly member and

3604
03:25:36,760 --> 03:25:41,240
Speaker 3: a union organizer. There was a huge organizing push for

3605
03:25:41,360 --> 03:25:43,640
Speaker 3: Claire in the weeks leading up to the election. There's

3606
03:25:43,680 --> 03:25:48,480
Speaker 3: a massive ground game from DSA, three hundred thousand doors knocked. Meanwhile,

3607
03:25:48,840 --> 03:25:51,920
Speaker 3: a dark money superpack dropped up to a million dollars

3608
03:25:52,400 --> 03:25:55,000
Speaker 3: in the last week of the election to blast pro

3609
03:25:55,200 --> 03:25:58,480
Speaker 3: Renosso ads and Renosso had backing up a bunch of

3610
03:25:58,680 --> 03:26:01,680
Speaker 3: unions and the Working Families Party. More kind of like

3611
03:26:01,800 --> 03:26:07,240
Speaker 3: typical progressive democratic establishment organizations in New York. This is

3612
03:26:07,280 --> 03:26:09,120
Speaker 3: the quote unquote like a comedy corridor. This is like

3613
03:26:09,240 --> 03:26:12,320
Speaker 3: the kind of one of the further left districts in

3614
03:26:12,440 --> 03:26:17,680
Speaker 3: the country. And Ronoso is a progressive figure, but Claire

3615
03:26:17,800 --> 03:26:21,720
Speaker 3: was absolutely running to his left and had support from

3616
03:26:21,840 --> 03:26:26,039
Speaker 3: the UAW as well as the DSA, and come election day,

3617
03:26:26,400 --> 03:26:30,080
Speaker 3: Claire won with fifty six point one percent of the vote,

3618
03:26:30,520 --> 03:26:34,920
Speaker 3: while Renoso earned thirty five point eight percent. But the

3619
03:26:35,040 --> 03:26:38,920
Speaker 3: biggest upset of the night was in the thirteenth District,

3620
03:26:39,000 --> 03:26:43,240
Speaker 3: Upper Manhattan and parts of the West Bronx community. Organizer

3621
03:26:43,520 --> 03:26:47,160
Speaker 3: Deriliza of the La Chavier beat the chair of the

3622
03:26:47,280 --> 03:26:51,960
Speaker 3: Congressional Hispanic Concus, Adriano Espayat. Espayot has been a powerhouse

3623
03:26:52,040 --> 03:26:55,080
Speaker 3: in New York City politics for thirty years. He's deeply

3624
03:26:55,160 --> 03:26:58,560
Speaker 3: tied to the New York City Democratic political establishment, and

3625
03:26:59,040 --> 03:27:03,400
Speaker 3: this was the closest race. Avila Chavier won with forty

3626
03:27:03,520 --> 03:27:06,960
Speaker 3: nine point four percent of the vote to Espayot's forty

3627
03:27:07,120 --> 03:27:11,280
Speaker 3: five point nine percent. Avila Chavier has been very active

3628
03:27:11,440 --> 03:27:14,400
Speaker 3: in pro Palestinian organizing in New York City, including the

3629
03:27:14,640 --> 03:27:19,080
Speaker 3: Columbia Encampments. Pro Espayot attack ads against her highlighted a

3630
03:27:19,120 --> 03:27:21,480
Speaker 3: tweet she wrote a few years ago reading quote unquote

3631
03:27:21,840 --> 03:27:26,279
Speaker 3: fuck Kamala. Harris Apak pumped six hundred and fifty thousand

3632
03:27:26,280 --> 03:27:30,040
Speaker 3: dollars into a pro Espayot superpack, which spent almost three

3633
03:27:30,120 --> 03:27:33,680
Speaker 3: million dollars to help re elect him, and in total,

3634
03:27:33,800 --> 03:27:37,240
Speaker 3: Espiot received over seven million from the Real Estate Wall

3635
03:27:37,320 --> 03:27:41,720
Speaker 3: Street Pro Israel lobby and from GOP donors, as well

3636
03:27:41,760 --> 03:27:44,920
Speaker 3: as a collection of superpacks in the lead up to

3637
03:27:45,000 --> 03:27:49,440
Speaker 3: this primary, things were getting pretty ugly. In response to

3638
03:27:49,560 --> 03:27:53,080
Speaker 3: a campaign speech where Mamdani quoted jes K's translation of

3639
03:27:53,120 --> 03:27:55,200
Speaker 3: Gramscy quote the old world is dying and the new

3640
03:27:55,240 --> 03:27:58,119
Speaker 3: world struggles to be born. Now is the time of monsters,

3641
03:27:58,840 --> 03:28:01,600
Speaker 3: before discussing how A and super PACs are using dark

3642
03:28:01,680 --> 03:28:04,600
Speaker 3: money to hide the identity of donors while blanketing the

3643
03:28:04,640 --> 03:28:08,199
Speaker 3: airways in bad pay attacks. In response to this speech,

3644
03:28:08,720 --> 03:28:15,360
Speaker 3: New Jersey Democratic House Rep. Josh Gottheimer responded, monsters, dark

3645
03:28:15,520 --> 03:28:20,680
Speaker 3: money a hidden hand turning us against each other. Swap

3646
03:28:20,800 --> 03:28:23,959
Speaker 3: a pack for Jews, and it's the oldest anti Semitic

3647
03:28:24,040 --> 03:28:27,120
Speaker 3: conspiracy theory in the books. Unquote it.

3648
03:28:27,240 --> 03:28:28,760
Speaker 7: You'll make up a bunch of shit and it means

3649
03:28:28,800 --> 03:28:29,360
Speaker 7: a different thing.

3650
03:28:29,680 --> 03:28:32,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you swap this word for this word you

3651
03:28:32,320 --> 03:28:33,280
Speaker 3: changed for this.

3652
03:28:33,600 --> 03:28:35,680
Speaker 13: Yeah, if you said something completely different, it would have

3653
03:28:35,720 --> 03:28:36,400
Speaker 13: a different meaning.

3654
03:28:37,000 --> 03:28:41,000
Speaker 3: But Mamdani has faced multiple questions about this in the

3655
03:28:41,120 --> 03:28:43,520
Speaker 3: past few days, and I think he has answered them

3656
03:28:43,879 --> 03:28:48,240
Speaker 3: fairly well. But yeah, people trying to insinuate that dark

3657
03:28:48,440 --> 03:28:51,880
Speaker 3: money is like an antisemitic term when it just refers

3658
03:28:51,920 --> 03:28:55,040
Speaker 3: to like an actual process of hiding the identity of

3659
03:28:55,080 --> 03:28:56,120
Speaker 3: donors to a super pack.

3660
03:28:56,320 --> 03:28:58,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, and a term people who have been using for

3661
03:28:58,760 --> 03:28:59,440
Speaker 2: twenty years.

3662
03:28:59,600 --> 03:29:01,880
Speaker 3: It's a real it's a real term.

3663
03:29:02,120 --> 03:29:04,320
Speaker 2: There's a book called Dark Funny. It's a term people

3664
03:29:04,360 --> 03:29:05,520
Speaker 2: have been using for forever.

3665
03:29:06,080 --> 03:29:09,480
Speaker 3: It's completely absurd. But things got way worse than this.

3666
03:29:10,160 --> 03:29:14,200
Speaker 3: While campaigning, Daria Lezo was harassed by people yelling quote

3667
03:29:14,280 --> 03:29:23,880
Speaker 3: unquote Jew hater, I'm gonna win, and someone following her

3668
03:29:23,959 --> 03:29:25,959
Speaker 3: around screaming she's Haitian.

3669
03:29:26,720 --> 03:29:29,160
Speaker 2: Jesus, Jesus CHRISTI here.

3670
03:29:30,040 --> 03:29:33,800
Speaker 3: Racial animis continue to be weaponized in the District thirteen election.

3671
03:29:34,640 --> 03:29:38,400
Speaker 3: A senior advisor to Representative Espayot, who is then on leave,

3672
03:29:38,840 --> 03:29:41,879
Speaker 3: went on a Spanish language podcast to say that Mamdani

3673
03:29:42,200 --> 03:29:46,600
Speaker 3: wanted to change the racial demographics of Washington Heights Northern

3674
03:29:46,680 --> 03:29:51,000
Speaker 3: Manhattan by making it quote no longer a bastion of

3675
03:29:51,160 --> 03:29:55,480
Speaker 3: the Dominican community unquote, but instead a quote unquote bastion

3676
03:29:55,800 --> 03:29:59,320
Speaker 3: of the Haitian Muslim community allied to him.

3677
03:30:00,040 --> 03:30:05,600
Speaker 13: Oh boy, Anti Haitian bigotry specifically among the Americans is

3678
03:30:05,640 --> 03:30:08,160
Speaker 13: a real and vicious thing. Where We've made a whole

3679
03:30:08,200 --> 03:30:10,320
Speaker 13: podcast about this a couple of weeks ago. But I

3680
03:30:10,400 --> 03:30:13,360
Speaker 13: did wonder when they swear someone was shouting she's Haitian.

3681
03:30:13,360 --> 03:30:15,720
Speaker 3: If that was what was happening there, Yes, and that

3682
03:30:15,920 --> 03:30:20,640
Speaker 3: was definitely weaponized by campaign advisors and volunteers going into

3683
03:30:20,800 --> 03:30:25,080
Speaker 3: this race. Darielzer herself is a child of Dominican immigrants,

3684
03:30:25,200 --> 03:30:29,680
Speaker 3: She's Afro Latina. But this advisor's invocation of this great

3685
03:30:29,800 --> 03:30:33,720
Speaker 3: replacement theory style attack is an extremely disgusting play.

3686
03:30:33,920 --> 03:30:37,440
Speaker 13: Yeah, this exists in the discourse in the Dominican Republic,

3687
03:30:37,520 --> 03:30:39,000
Speaker 13: to be clear, and like it's no, they didn't, they

3688
03:30:39,040 --> 03:30:40,440
Speaker 13: didn't whip that one out in air.

3689
03:30:40,360 --> 03:30:45,160
Speaker 3: But politicians from the Dominican Republic echoed this rhetoric on

3690
03:30:45,840 --> 03:30:48,640
Speaker 3: X the everything app in specific reference to this District

3691
03:30:48,720 --> 03:30:53,280
Speaker 3: thirteen election. Come election day, Spaiyot's canvassers screamed at Dai

3692
03:30:53,400 --> 03:30:58,360
Speaker 3: lees of voters and volunteers, quote, Dominicans only go to

3693
03:30:58,520 --> 03:31:02,400
Speaker 3: Cuba if you want communist shut up, get educated. We

3694
03:31:02,560 --> 03:31:08,240
Speaker 3: don't want Islam here either. Were Christians here unquote Jesus Christ.

3695
03:31:09,480 --> 03:31:14,000
Speaker 3: Very ugly weaponization of racial nationalism. Yeah, now this did

3696
03:31:14,080 --> 03:31:17,160
Speaker 3: not work. Terry Halisa one in what is a massive

3697
03:31:17,240 --> 03:31:21,720
Speaker 3: upset and her Palestinian activism was a big part of

3698
03:31:22,000 --> 03:31:25,600
Speaker 3: her campaign and prove that anti Israel politics do have

3699
03:31:25,800 --> 03:31:29,640
Speaker 3: a strong place in the Democratic Party moving forward, and

3700
03:31:29,920 --> 03:31:32,200
Speaker 3: to do that you have to unseat these A pack

3701
03:31:32,320 --> 03:31:36,480
Speaker 3: backed candidates. This was a really big night for New

3702
03:31:36,560 --> 03:31:38,720
Speaker 3: York City DSAY, and this election has cemented that New

3703
03:31:38,800 --> 03:31:42,760
Speaker 3: York City, ESSAY is possibly the strongest political machine in

3704
03:31:42,879 --> 03:31:45,080
Speaker 3: the city, at least in terms of elections right and

3705
03:31:45,440 --> 03:31:47,360
Speaker 3: if you want to look at political power more broadly,

3706
03:31:48,040 --> 03:31:49,680
Speaker 3: it's like the New York City DSA and like the

3707
03:31:49,840 --> 03:31:52,680
Speaker 3: NYPD right now there are like strong dueling factions and

3708
03:31:53,000 --> 03:31:57,679
Speaker 3: part of Zornmandani's mayorship is a manifestation of those contradictions.

3709
03:31:58,160 --> 03:32:00,840
Speaker 3: But also based on this sweep of DSA candidates going

3710
03:32:01,000 --> 03:32:05,840
Speaker 3: against establishment Democrat incumbents, people are also reconsidering Zoron and

3711
03:32:05,879 --> 03:32:11,080
Speaker 3: the DSA's decision to curb Councilman Chaose's primary challenge against

3712
03:32:11,120 --> 03:32:14,959
Speaker 3: Hakeem Jeffries. Yeah, who knows how that would have gone.

3713
03:32:15,040 --> 03:32:19,040
Speaker 3: Possibly she could have tapped into this incredible momentum and

3714
03:32:19,160 --> 03:32:22,520
Speaker 3: beaten House Minority Leader Hakim Jeffries. That could have certainly

3715
03:32:22,560 --> 03:32:27,240
Speaker 3: been possible. DSA was also pretty thinly stretched this election.

3716
03:32:27,800 --> 03:32:29,280
Speaker 3: They had a lot of stuff going on, and it's

3717
03:32:29,320 --> 03:32:32,879
Speaker 3: possible that a primary of this scale would have prohibited

3718
03:32:32,920 --> 03:32:36,200
Speaker 3: their ability to win some of these other elections. We

3719
03:32:36,280 --> 03:32:39,080
Speaker 3: don't know. I don't think it's super useful to retroactively

3720
03:32:39,160 --> 03:32:42,960
Speaker 3: speculate so much, but this sweep is useful information going

3721
03:32:43,120 --> 03:32:46,480
Speaker 3: forward that supports the idea that there is a real

3722
03:32:46,560 --> 03:32:50,920
Speaker 3: hunger to unseat these establishment democratic figures, and that has

3723
03:32:51,000 --> 03:32:53,360
Speaker 3: been proven Tuesday night in New York City.

3724
03:32:53,800 --> 03:32:58,720
Speaker 13: It's the supporter opposite of what we've seen in California, right,

3725
03:32:58,959 --> 03:33:02,200
Speaker 13: which is like the Democrat Party doubling down without as

3726
03:33:02,320 --> 03:33:04,600
Speaker 13: many successful left primary challenges.

3727
03:33:05,000 --> 03:33:07,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I mean New York City, DA say, is

3728
03:33:07,280 --> 03:33:11,600
Speaker 3: like a uniquely highly organized like faction in this city

3729
03:33:11,640 --> 03:33:13,600
Speaker 3: like that. The fact that it was able to outorganize

3730
03:33:13,640 --> 03:33:16,439
Speaker 3: the Working Families Party is significant.

3731
03:33:16,560 --> 03:33:16,720
Speaker 8: Yeah.

3732
03:33:16,760 --> 03:33:19,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, and to a pretty to a pretty extensive degree.

3733
03:33:20,160 --> 03:33:23,720
Speaker 3: In Bushwick, the Comedy Cord or Green Point Williamsburg.

3734
03:33:24,160 --> 03:33:27,000
Speaker 13: There's still space for Pinos attempts to run into the

3735
03:33:27,040 --> 03:33:31,280
Speaker 13: Working Families Party and we run a spoiler, but we'll

3736
03:33:31,320 --> 03:33:31,960
Speaker 13: see how it goes.

3737
03:33:32,400 --> 03:33:35,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I mean if specifically, if Darie Olasa gets

3738
03:33:35,920 --> 03:33:38,440
Speaker 3: into Congress, which it is almost certain that she will

3739
03:33:38,520 --> 03:33:41,200
Speaker 3: based on how this night went she could very likely

3740
03:33:41,240 --> 03:33:45,000
Speaker 3: be the farthest left congress member in the history of

3741
03:33:45,040 --> 03:33:46,879
Speaker 3: the country, or at least in the past like fifty years,

3742
03:33:47,160 --> 03:33:49,840
Speaker 3: like significantly to the left of of AOC, and like

3743
03:33:49,920 --> 03:33:54,359
Speaker 3: the campaign itself was significantly to the left of AOC's campaign. Yeah, anyway,

3744
03:33:54,800 --> 03:33:57,760
Speaker 3: that is that is what happened in New York Tuesday night.

3745
03:33:58,440 --> 03:33:58,680
Speaker 7: Cool.

3746
03:33:59,240 --> 03:34:01,360
Speaker 2: I guess last we should talk about a couple of

3747
03:34:01,400 --> 03:34:06,000
Speaker 2: mass shootings. Yeah, that have unfortunately occurred in the last week.

3748
03:34:06,600 --> 03:34:09,240
Speaker 2: Two mass shootings that I wanted to talk about. One

3749
03:34:09,600 --> 03:34:12,840
Speaker 2: happened just the day before we are recording this. So

3750
03:34:13,200 --> 03:34:18,200
Speaker 2: on June twenty third of twenty twenty six in Montreal.

3751
03:34:18,200 --> 03:34:22,359
Speaker 3: Twenty five year old Seth Hatfield of Lethbridge, Virginia allegedly

3752
03:34:22,400 --> 03:34:26,720
Speaker 3: started shooting from a hotel window in the Codine borough

3753
03:34:26,800 --> 03:34:30,640
Speaker 3: of Montreal. Footage posted to social media shows the shooter

3754
03:34:30,959 --> 03:34:34,280
Speaker 3: firing at police on street level before being shot and

3755
03:34:34,520 --> 03:34:38,200
Speaker 3: killed himself. Two other people were killed during this incident,

3756
03:34:38,320 --> 03:34:40,040
Speaker 3: a police officer and a civilian.

3757
03:34:40,800 --> 03:34:43,480
Speaker 2: There's a manifesto. It's about one hundred and four pages

3758
03:34:44,200 --> 03:34:46,480
Speaker 2: that is out. I have not gotten to read the

3759
03:34:46,560 --> 03:34:50,320
Speaker 2: whole thing yet, but early reporting on it suggests It's

3760
03:34:50,720 --> 03:34:53,120
Speaker 2: a lot of in cell type rhetoric, a lot of

3761
03:34:53,200 --> 03:34:57,200
Speaker 2: discussion about like how it's unfair that women are you know,

3762
03:34:57,360 --> 03:35:00,240
Speaker 2: hypergamus and going for all of this like tiny member

3763
03:35:00,240 --> 03:35:03,160
Speaker 2: of attractive guys and so this huge now it's very

3764
03:35:03,240 --> 03:35:05,760
Speaker 2: normal like in cell stuff. He like lists out the

3765
03:35:05,840 --> 03:35:08,279
Speaker 2: different like classes of targets that he thinks are okay.

3766
03:35:09,360 --> 03:35:11,120
Speaker 2: One thing that does kind of make this interesting is

3767
03:35:11,160 --> 03:35:15,840
Speaker 2: he's grafting this like weird kind of like reactionary anti

3768
03:35:15,959 --> 03:35:19,320
Speaker 2: capitalism to the in seldom which has been done before.

3769
03:35:19,440 --> 03:35:21,440
Speaker 2: This is not like the first time I've seen this.

3770
03:35:21,760 --> 03:35:24,680
Speaker 3: We also mixing in the West is preventing me from

3771
03:35:24,760 --> 03:35:29,439
Speaker 3: getting my girlfriends right, Yeah, mixing in some anti semitism

3772
03:35:30,120 --> 03:35:33,320
Speaker 3: and anti Zionism, and also mixing in like at least

3773
03:35:33,360 --> 03:35:37,320
Speaker 3: some like kind of left wing and right wing signifying.

3774
03:35:37,600 --> 03:35:41,200
Speaker 3: Really like there's some calls to you know, ending capitalism

3775
03:35:41,280 --> 03:35:42,959
Speaker 3: that can seem kind of socialist, but then a lot

3776
03:35:43,000 --> 03:35:46,879
Speaker 3: of really reactionary anti immigrant stuff in there too. He's

3777
03:35:46,920 --> 03:35:50,199
Speaker 3: also really angry at pickup artists. The shooting took place

3778
03:35:50,320 --> 03:35:53,440
Speaker 3: outside of the head office of a Low, which is

3779
03:35:53,560 --> 03:35:55,680
Speaker 3: the parent company of porn Hub, and he was also

3780
03:35:55,800 --> 03:35:58,240
Speaker 3: really angry about porn hub. A big, a big chunk

3781
03:35:58,240 --> 03:36:01,320
Speaker 3: of the manifest was apparently him justifying attacking executives of

3782
03:36:01,560 --> 03:36:04,240
Speaker 3: specific companies, including like the people who put out pornography.

3783
03:36:05,040 --> 03:36:09,840
Speaker 3: This is not like super weird stuff, unfortunately, but yeah,

3784
03:36:10,200 --> 03:36:12,240
Speaker 3: it is very sad. It's not the first time this

3785
03:36:12,280 --> 03:36:15,280
Speaker 3: has epen in Canada. There've been in twenty eighteen. There's

3786
03:36:15,280 --> 03:36:17,480
Speaker 3: a van attack in Toronto that killed ten that was

3787
03:36:17,560 --> 03:36:19,280
Speaker 3: kind of an in cell linked attack. There was a

3788
03:36:19,320 --> 03:36:22,120
Speaker 3: twenty twenty machete attack, and then of course there was

3789
03:36:22,160 --> 03:36:25,000
Speaker 3: the a Coole Polytechnic attack, which was a couple of

3790
03:36:25,080 --> 03:36:27,280
Speaker 3: decades ago at this point, which is considered to be

3791
03:36:27,480 --> 03:36:29,560
Speaker 3: in some cases some people would argue like the first

3792
03:36:29,680 --> 03:36:32,840
Speaker 3: of the in cell kind of like public like mass attacks.

3793
03:36:34,000 --> 03:36:36,279
Speaker 3: And then also this week there was a mass shooting

3794
03:36:36,360 --> 03:36:39,360
Speaker 3: in Chico, California. We don't know a whole lot about

3795
03:36:39,400 --> 03:36:41,240
Speaker 3: this one yet, but I did want to note that

3796
03:36:41,520 --> 03:36:44,680
Speaker 3: it's happened. Law enforcement officials have said that the shooter

3797
03:36:44,840 --> 03:36:48,760
Speaker 3: was wearing clothing like that of the Columbine killer Eric Harris,

3798
03:36:49,040 --> 03:36:51,480
Speaker 3: and seems to have been like a columnbiner, someone who

3799
03:36:51,680 --> 03:36:55,200
Speaker 3: was interested in mass shootings as a fan and was

3800
03:36:55,520 --> 03:36:58,080
Speaker 3: carrying out this almost as an active fandom. Again, this

3801
03:36:58,200 --> 03:37:01,120
Speaker 3: is the kind of scene think we've seen ye unfortunately

3802
03:37:01,240 --> 03:37:03,560
Speaker 3: well over a hundred times in the past, so it's

3803
03:37:03,680 --> 03:37:06,440
Speaker 3: very sad. We'll probably talk a little more about Chico

3804
03:37:06,480 --> 03:37:09,160
Speaker 3: in the future. There's just not a ton of information out,

3805
03:37:09,200 --> 03:37:11,240
Speaker 3: but I didn't want people to not be aware of it.

3806
03:37:12,360 --> 03:37:13,440
Speaker 3: Those countries sucks.

3807
03:37:13,600 --> 03:37:15,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, well the news.

3808
03:37:15,560 --> 03:37:17,080
Speaker 7: Yeah, I've done a great time in America.

3809
03:37:17,760 --> 03:37:25,880
Speaker 3: Well, to quote Zoran's quote of Jijak mistranslating gramscy Yeah,

3810
03:37:27,320 --> 03:37:29,440
Speaker 3: the world is dying and the new one struggles to

3811
03:37:29,520 --> 03:37:31,360
Speaker 3: be bored. Now is the time of Monsters.

3812
03:37:31,480 --> 03:37:33,680
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, I disagree. I think now is

3813
03:37:33,720 --> 03:37:36,960
Speaker 2: the time of the Mons stars, the antagonists from the

3814
03:37:37,000 --> 03:37:40,280
Speaker 2: classic film Space Jam. This is their year. Go nixt yep.

3815
03:37:43,440 --> 03:37:47,600
Speaker 3: Put a trounscroll in your couch. We reported the news.

3816
03:37:48,879 --> 03:37:56,760
Speaker 2: We reported the news. Hey, We'll be back Monday with

3817
03:37:57,040 --> 03:37:59,800
Speaker 2: more episodes every week from now until the heat Death

3818
03:37:59,800 --> 03:38:00,480
Speaker 2: of the Verse.

3819
03:38:01,240 --> 03:38:01,840
Speaker 13: It could happen.

3820
03:38:01,879 --> 03:38:04,240
Speaker 14: Here is a production of cool Zone Media. For more

3821
03:38:04,320 --> 03:38:08,240
Speaker 14: podcasts from cool Zone Media, visit our website coolzonmedia dot com,

3822
03:38:08,720 --> 03:38:11,600
Speaker 14: or check us out on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts

3823
03:38:11,920 --> 03:38:14,680
Speaker 14: or Wherever you listen to podcasts, you can now find

3824
03:38:14,760 --> 03:38:17,800
Speaker 14: sources for it could happen here, listed directly in episode descriptions.

3825
03:38:18,160 --> 03:38:18,920
Speaker 14: Thanks for listening.