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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: She is a former prosecutor, legal analysts, host of Crime Stories,

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Speaker 2: and victim's Advocate. Please welcome Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 4: First of all, I want to thank you all for

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Speaker 4: being up bright and early this morning to be here

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Speaker 4: with who I consider friends. And you know, you meet

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Speaker 4: friends in all sorts of ways, but I think friends

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Speaker 4: that are the closest to me are those that have

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Speaker 4: lived through something, lived through something together and come out

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Speaker 4: on the other side, know, like in the fox hole

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Speaker 4: with you, right, like people I tried cases with my

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Speaker 4: longtime investigator, Ernest, my family who went through the murder

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Speaker 4: of my fiancee with me. I slept in the bed

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Speaker 4: with them every night. They tried to feed me, they

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Speaker 4: helped me get back in school when I dropped out.

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Speaker 1: They went through it.

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Speaker 4: And we came out the other side. And I am

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Speaker 4: so happy to introduce to you for incredible friends. First

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Speaker 4: of all, let me introduce to you Joe and Ta,

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Speaker 4: the parents, the dad and step of Gabby Patito, for

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Speaker 4: all they've been through.

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Speaker 1: She actually is gonna leave her pocketbook in a conference room.

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Speaker 4: I'm like, Okay, I think I'm right there. You still

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Speaker 4: want to sit by him?

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Speaker 1: Is that? Is that? Okay?

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Speaker 4: And I don't know how these two they're just everywhere

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Speaker 4: I turn there they are.

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Speaker 1: Okay. First of all, you know she's here. Cheryl McCom.

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Speaker 4: Sharapow Love is a forensic expert. We have worked together

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Speaker 4: in Inner City Atlanta since I don't even remember.

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Speaker 1: And she is still in law enforcement. And she is

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Speaker 1: a star of a hit podcast, Zone seven.

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Speaker 5: And laugh.

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Speaker 4: But not past our colleague, our friend, professor forensics, said

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Speaker 4: Jacksonville State University, the author of Blood Beneath My Feet

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Speaker 4: on Amazon and star of body Bags at Joe Scott Morgan.

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Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan.

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Speaker 4: Now, and there is the power behind the throne right there,

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Speaker 4: his wife, Kim.

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Speaker 1: But let me tell you something, Joe Scott has a.

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Speaker 4: Very different recollection of our relationship than I do.

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Speaker 1: Okay. So I was in Atlanta prosecuting so fast I.

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Speaker 4: Couldn't even keep up with it, Like one hundred and

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Speaker 4: fifty new felony indictments a week. Wait, that's twice a week,

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Speaker 4: So three hundred knew a week to be sorted out

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Speaker 4: by computer to twelve courtrooms, and one prosecutor would handle

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Speaker 4: all the state's business.

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Speaker 1: So needless to say, I was in.

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Speaker 4: A hurry, okay, and I needed a death three pool.

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Speaker 4: I needed to know the details in a murder case.

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Speaker 1: Is that so unreasonable? So I call the morgue.

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Speaker 4: I get some guy who starts some song and dansing,

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Speaker 4: go why it's not ready.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, there's a.

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Speaker 4: Speedy trial demand on this case, and if I don't

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Speaker 4: try it, it's an automatic acquittal.

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Speaker 1: Are you familiar with speedy trial demands?

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Speaker 4: If the state doesn't try it within two grandjury sessions,

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Speaker 4: automatic acquittal. And he went, I'm like, he claims I

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Speaker 4: cursed it him. I don't think that happened, and so

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Speaker 4: I recall it.

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Speaker 1: I hung up. He says he hung up on me.

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Speaker 4: But that's totally not true. That said renowned author and

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Speaker 4: death investigator Joe Scott Morgan, forensics expert Cheryl McCollum, and

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Speaker 4: who I now consider to be friends, Tera and Joseph.

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Speaker 4: We got so much to talk about, but don't let

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Speaker 4: me forget they believe it or not. You know, sometimes

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Speaker 4: when you go through HGL, you just want to curl

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Speaker 4: up in a ball.

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Speaker 1: Guess what they're doing right now.

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Speaker 4: They're trying to raise money for somebody else for a

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Speaker 4: shelter in Laramie, not far from Laramie. It's called Laradise

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Speaker 4: and for people that are going through the worst that

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Speaker 4: need help. They're trying to raise money for a fence

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Speaker 4: to surround the shelter. You know, a lot of people

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Speaker 4: that have lived through what they have lived through are

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Speaker 4: still so engulfed in that process, and I'm just a

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Speaker 1: So, you know what, I just want to.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I'm going to get to their foundation and Lara

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Speaker 4: Dye and everything else they're doing. But I think I,

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Speaker 4: like you, I'm so close to them. I'm not through

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Speaker 4: a TV screen right now. I want to start with.

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Speaker 1: When you knew.

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Speaker 4: Something had gone horribly wrong. When I found out that

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Speaker 4: my fiancee was killed, I just thought that there had

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Speaker 4: been a car accident. I had no idea that some

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Speaker 4: guy he didn't know shot him five times and destroyed

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Speaker 1: So at first I didn't really get it. How did

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Speaker 1: that day roll out? Let me start with.

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Speaker 3: You, Tim, So Nikki had called us and said, have

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Speaker 3: you heard from Gabby?

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Speaker 1: Gabby's mom?

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Speaker 3: Gabby's mom, I'm bonus mom.

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Speaker 2: We actually say emotional support human just let you know.

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Speaker 3: That's what the FBI called Jim and I. So the

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Speaker 3: two Bonus parents were emotionally support humans. But anyway, so

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Speaker 3: that she called Joe and she's like, have you heard

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Speaker 3: from the kids? Have you heard from Brian or Gabby?

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Speaker 3: I haven't heard from them in a while. And Joe

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Speaker 4: Is that normal from Nikki? If she can't find well Abby,

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Speaker 4: then she calls you guys.

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, Gabby was traveling, so we didn't know

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Speaker 3: how much service that she had, so nothing was normal. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: but yeah, if there was an issue or anything, yea.

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Speaker 3: And of course Nikki would always call us and see,

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Speaker 3: and that was normal. But this was different because we

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Speaker 3: so Joey started calling everybody. At this point, I was

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Speaker 3: I didn't think it was serious. I was just like, okay,

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Speaker 3: all right, well she's out there in the camping and

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Speaker 3: she's exploring national parks and she's having the time of

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Speaker 3: her life. Maybe she just doesn't have service.

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Speaker 1: How long had it been? How many days?

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Speaker 3: That was a couple of days. There was Friday afternoon

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Speaker 3: where Joe looked at me and he was like, no,

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Speaker 3: this is this is serious, like this is something something's

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Speaker 3: not right. And he had a lot of trouble trying

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Speaker 3: last known location. At this point we knew her last

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Speaker 3: no location was in Utah Oat Lake, and in Utah

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Speaker 4: That is hard to take in that you couldn't get

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Speaker 4: Gabby Bottito beautiful inside and outside.

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Speaker 2: Takes after her dad.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's crazy because everybody used to say that she

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Speaker 3: looked more like me, and I'm like, well, yeah, that's okay,

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Speaker 3: but I'm like, she's way more beautiful than I.

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Speaker 4: But send all this effort and converts her Ford transit

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Speaker 3: So they did get engaged, okay, but I I don't

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Speaker 3: And we found out on a Facebook post from Roberta.

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Speaker 4: So that would be Roberta Laundry, and that would be

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Speaker 4: Brian the fiance, Laundry's mother, who have come under quite

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Speaker 4: a bit of scrutiny the way that they handled the

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Speaker 4: facts as they progressed. Please jump in, because Brian Laundry

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Speaker 4: then suddenly nobody can hear from Gabby, and then the

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Speaker 4: next thing you know, the family starts getting these texts

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Speaker 4: that don't make any sense.

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Speaker 1: It would be like if.

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Speaker 4: I texted Joe Scott about Cheryl and I said, where

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Speaker 4: is crime scene analyst Ms? Cheryl McCollum dob like, that's wrong.

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Speaker 4: Didn't Laundry send a text asking about the grandpa and

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Speaker 4: called him by his full name. That would be like

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Speaker 4: my sister texting me, how is Elizabeth Stokes Grace my mother?

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Speaker 1: I'm like, what is wrong with you?

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Speaker 4: So they knew immediately this is not her texting. Gabby

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Speaker 4: was murdered. And if it hadn't been for you guys

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Speaker 4: putting it out there for social media and more.

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Speaker 1: I remember when.

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Speaker 4: Their handle was red blue and Methane saw a Ford

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Speaker 4: transit in what is called dispersed camping, which is there's

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Speaker 4: there is nothing but you and the critters saw her

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Speaker 4: Gabby's transit there and called it in and Gabby's remains

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Speaker 1: Brian Laundry murdered her.

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Speaker 4: But before he murdered her, he assaulted her on main

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Speaker 4: the aggressor, even though witnesses state they saw him it her.

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Speaker 4: So everything that could go wrong went wrong, and somehow

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Speaker 4: the laundryes knew more than you did.

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Speaker 2: Well hurt no. The person who was responsible came home

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Speaker 3: Five thousand, and they sent a check for twenty five

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Speaker 3: thousand dollars to their attorney up in New York, Berdolino,

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Speaker 3: who then sent it to a defense attorney in Wyoming.

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Speaker 3: How did they know the location in Wyoming that they

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Speaker 4: You slow down and say that again. So Brian laundry

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Speaker 2: Actually, no, that's not so he called. He called his

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Speaker 2: mom on his drive home and they had a long conversation,

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Speaker 2: and immediately afterwards the parents called Stephen Bertolino, and then

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Speaker 2: I guess the next day a wire went from the

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Speaker 2: laundries to Bertolino, and then Bertolino hired some high power

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Speaker 2: criminal defense attorney in Wyoming, and that was the retainer

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Speaker 2: of twenty five thousand dollars. No, I don't know about

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Speaker 2: anybody in this room. If your child asked you for

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Speaker 2: a twenty five thousand dollars check, are you guys gonna

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Speaker 2: ask why?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 2: Just wondering.

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Speaker 3: So he actually also called his father, and his father

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Speaker 3: had said, so this is Christopher Laundry that Gabby was

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Speaker 3: gone and he needed help. And he tried to say

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Speaker 3: defense attorney, and their attorney, Bertollino, is the one that

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Speaker 1: Guys.

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Speaker 4: There is no parent child privilege like attorney client privilege,

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Speaker 4: husband wife privilege, priest parishioner privilege.

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Speaker 1: But none of this was revealed.

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Speaker 4: What I'm saying is the all out search for Gabby ensues.

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Speaker 1: And the whole time.

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Speaker 4: The Laundryes allegedly knew Gabby had been murdered.

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Speaker 6: I remember, And let me tell you there's no POS

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Speaker 2: Listens.

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Speaker 6: The first time I ever had a conversation with Joe,

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Speaker 6: let me tell you, Nancy was my prosecutor back in

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Speaker 6: we had a good time in Atlanta too, But listen.

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Speaker 1: I didn't. I don't know what she's talking about. I

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Speaker 4: I don't know what she was doing. When I was

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Speaker 3: I had one job that I barely worked. I had

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Speaker 1: But listen.

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Speaker 3: What happened.

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Speaker 6: I used to be able to work these cases with Nancy,

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Speaker 3: And then I had children, and then Nancy had children,

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Speaker 3: and I'm going to.

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Speaker 6: Tell you, thirty days later everything about me.

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Speaker 3: It did.

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Speaker 6: It changed how I worked every case, especially involving somebody's child.

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Speaker 6: But when I tell you I would have gone with him,

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Speaker 6: I would.

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Speaker 3: Have gone with him, no question about it.

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Speaker 6: And I think y'all would have gone with us.

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Speaker 1: Is that true? Did you go and knock on the door?

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Speaker 2: No, I was informed. So we got a call that

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Speaker 2: Brian was home with the van and Gabby wasn't there.

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Speaker 1: How did you find that? Who told you that?

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Speaker 2: So when we tried to get Gabby reported, we couldn't. Right,

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Speaker 2: be arrested. And so if we didn't have Gabby, me

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Speaker 2: getting arrested didn't serve a purpose and I needed it.

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Speaker 1: Told you arrested, I.

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Speaker 2: Wouldn't been able to contain it, to be honest with you,

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Speaker 2: and that was sound advice. You know you have who

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Speaker 2: when listen, I hope no one is in that situation,

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Speaker 2: you know, But if you have a job to do,

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Speaker 2: behind bars isn't gonna help. It's only gonna compound the issue.

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Speaker 2: So but we were fortunate enough to have four of us,

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Speaker 2: like you need support systems and stuff like that, right, So, Nikky, Jim, Tara,

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Speaker 2: to be honest with you, they deserve all the credit.

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Speaker 2: I bring nothing to the table its letting you know that,

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Speaker 2: but they really do everything. But they kind of kept

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Speaker 2: and that was just simply finding Gabby. And that's that's

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Speaker 4: With that.

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Speaker 1: Crime stores with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 4: When Gabby's remains or were found, was she identified first.

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Speaker 1: By her shirt.

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Speaker 2: So what had happened was they found her and they

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Speaker 2: only had minutes to get to because Jim just happened

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Speaker 2: to be in Wyoming. Uh well no, yeah, he Woming.

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Speaker 2: We were told to stay in New York. Nick Nikki

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Speaker 2: was told to stay in New York beause that's where

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Speaker 2: the investigations started out of. But it was being run

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Speaker 2: so he did, and when they found her, they had

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Speaker 2: I mean they were running to get to Jim because

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Speaker 2: what I mean. Once they put the tent up, they

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Speaker 2: her Bunger shirt, which is a local shop in Sable,

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Speaker 2: New York. It was like a surf shop.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I want to follow through what you're saying to

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Speaker 4: its logical conclusion, because in a case, when you are

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Speaker 4: and I call it marshaling. Marshaling your facts and evidence.

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Speaker 4: You cannot go into a trial, specifically a felony trial scattershot.

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Speaker 4: So every fact proves something, and it's your responsibility to

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Speaker 4: determine what that one fact proves. She was identified by

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Speaker 4: her shirt? What does that tell me? That tells me

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Speaker 4: her remains had been left out in dispersed camping, which

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Speaker 4: is nothing but wild terrain.

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Speaker 1: Left there.

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Speaker 4: In the hopes that animals would destroy her remains and

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Speaker 4: that she would never be identified.

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Speaker 1: Isn't that true, Joe Scott?

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Speaker 4: So that one piece of evidence tells me the frame

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Speaker 4: of mind of the killer. Gabby meant nothing to him.

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Speaker 4: He just left her there like a pizza box.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: And here here's the bit of irony here when you

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Speaker 7: when you compare what he had done to Gabby and

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Speaker 7: that with his remains that are found in that swampy area.

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Speaker 7: His remains were affected by animal activity in that area,

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Speaker 7: That which.

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Speaker 3: Makes me really happy.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, And I have to tell you, you know, having followed

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Speaker 7: it from the forensics perspective, and those the people that

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Speaker 7: of having to collect because everything was particulated at that

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Speaker 7: point in time. Again, disbursement, it has to do with

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Speaker 7: I I don't know. I don't want to wax spiritual,

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Speaker 7: but when I think, you know, for a time, you know,

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Speaker 7: Gabby became everybody's daughter, and I have a daughter that

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Speaker 7: looks almost the spitting image of Gabby in it just

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Speaker 7: broke my heart and generally I can detach myself. As

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Speaker 7: me that it was almost an angelic presence, you know,

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Speaker 7: there with her remains. As crazy as that sounds, that's

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Speaker 7: the way I've always believed it in my in my mind.

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Speaker 7: But back to the remains and how her remains were

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Speaker 7: treated by him trasting with how his remains were found,

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Speaker 7: and the corner out there that handled Gabby's remains did

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Speaker 7: a fantastic job given the isolated area that was out there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah see, I could appreciate that. But here's the thing. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: when we went to go pick up her remains. I

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Speaker 2: can't prove it, you know what I mean, This is

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Speaker 2: only my opinion. There was paperwork you have to do,

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Speaker 2: and Gabby's name was misspelled on the paperwork. So he's like,

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Speaker 2: all right, give me a few and I'm going to

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Speaker 2: go redo the paperwork. It goes like ten minutes go by,

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Speaker 2: he comes back, it's wrong again. Another ten minutes go by,

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Speaker 2: he comes back and it's finally right, going through the

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Speaker 2: paperwork whatever. So there for like a half hour before

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Speaker 2: we get her remains. It's my opinion that he tipped

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Speaker 2: So it's great of a job that they might have done.

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Speaker 2: I don't think it. I think that the just had

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Speaker 7: One other point adjacent to this that I found fast

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Speaker 7: Enats talking to Cheryl about this backstage, is that that

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Speaker 7: it does not happen. I'm not saying that that's you know,

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Speaker 7: want to establish the physical funds.

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Speaker 1: That's clear for our listeners.

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Speaker 4: Cause of death is stabbing, choking, poison, asphyxiation, ligatory manual stanulation.

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Speaker 4: Manner of death is homicide, natural causes, undetermined suicide. I

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Speaker 4: mean it's different, it's too different categories. But to me,

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Speaker 4: the fact that her remains were left out in the

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Speaker 4: middle of nothing.

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Speaker 1: I've camped out there and hiked out there.

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Speaker 2: There is nothing, but the animals didn't disturb either.

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Speaker 4: Right, I'm talking about his frame of mind. What can

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Speaker 1: I get it, just such a callous disregard of her.

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Speaker 3: He panicked well, and the fact that he came home

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Speaker 3: and his mom knew, They knew she was out there,

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Speaker 3: they knew it. So how is a mother you're okay

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Speaker 3: with that? How is a mother you know that you're

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Speaker 4: How many days passed from the time Laundry came home.

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Speaker 1: Two. No, they sent the money.

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Speaker 2: Oh, oh nineteen getting home.

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Speaker 3: No, so he sent the money. I think it was

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Speaker 3: like September one or second when Laundry get home.

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Speaker 2: He got home on the first, the first, Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: So for almost the entire month of December.

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Speaker 3: September, yes, thank you.

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Speaker 4: Of September, the laundries let them hang in the wind

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Speaker 2: They actually went. They actually went.

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Speaker 3: They actually went camping and had s'mores.

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Speaker 1: Oh, yes, please tell them.

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Speaker 3: They also went camp They also did like a planting

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Speaker 1: Please tell them about the camping trip.

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Speaker 2: Well, they had. They went on a camping trip. I

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Speaker 2: So the sister, Cassie Laundry, has a couple kids, all right,

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Speaker 2: that from that one, by the way, I'll want you

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Speaker 2: know that. And the mom let her grandkids hang out

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Speaker 2: showy hands? Would anybody allow that to happen? Yet?

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Speaker 4: Like no, that is disgusting to be trying to get

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Speaker 4: past the smores. R Rember, I did buy a shirt

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Speaker 1: They couldn't say how to do the shirt.

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Speaker 4: They're lying there in dispersed camping and Laundry's family. He

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Speaker 3: Can I jump in?

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Speaker 1: What?

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Speaker 3: Can I jump in?

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 6: Remember she changed the reservation.

443
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,160
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, it was supposed to be two.

444
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 3: They went to three.

445
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,639
Speaker 6: I wholeheartedly believed they were going to sit around and

446
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:45,119
Speaker 6: plan his escape.

447
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 7: Right, I think answer for Tom. I remember being on

448
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:53,880
Speaker 7: crime Stories when you we had actually speculated that they

449
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:58,440
Speaker 7: had purchased some kind of cheap kayak get him into

450
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 7: the waterway, remember this, and that he was going to

451
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,199
Speaker 7: you know, kind of vanish into the population in Tampa

452
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 7: and maybe get into a homeless area. We speculated about

453
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:09,399
Speaker 7: this fort.

454
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,360
Speaker 1: To that, We looked at routes how he could go.

455
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 2: They did get new phones, new simcards, knew everything, you

456
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 2: know a couple of days before. Doesn't we have a

457
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 2: conspiracy theory, all of us? Oh yeah, there's a video

458
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 2: of them going to at and T getting.

459
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 4: New phones, found sim cards, still plan his escape.

460
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:31,439
Speaker 3: But here so well, now, Bertolino, they're a lawyer in

461
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 3: New York is a real estate attorney.

462
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:35,879
Speaker 2: He's not a criminal attorney.

463
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 3: He's not a criminal attorney real estate. So was they

464
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 3: trying to get the escape where he was going to

465
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 3: stay in one of his houses.

466
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 2: See, I don't think an escape was ever in the cards.

467
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 2: I really don't in all honestly, like, I don't, And

468
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,719
Speaker 2: this is my opinion. I think the four of us

469
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 2: share it. You know, I don't think Brian killed himself.

470
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 2: I we all think the mom did it.

471
00:28:58,400 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 3: Yes, we do have.

472
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 2: I don't have the stones to do it himself.

473
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 4: Let me just say, no one has been named a

474
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 4: person of interest or a suspect.

475
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 2: But I did say.

476
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 4: Everyone has presumed innocent until praving Gilts.

477
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 2: I did say, this is my opinion, all right, And yeah,

478
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 2: I don't think he had the stones to do it.

479
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 2: I mean when you add this, so, there's some things

480
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 2: that just don't add up to me.

481
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,479
Speaker 4: You mean, like how they went walk when everybody had

482
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 4: been looking for laundry's remains and they walked.

483
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 2: I'm talking before that. So Brian drove to the to

484
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 2: the to the spot whatever with his car, right, yeah,

485
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 2: So the Miacahatchie Creek right or whatever.

486
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 1: It was there on a thousand acres of Mosquito.

487
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 2: So he drove his Mustang there and I guess like

488
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 2: two days went past and it was it three days

489
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 2: three days past, and the parents brought the car home.

490
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 2: Now it's not around the corner. This is a good

491
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 2: distance from their house.

492
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 1: It's going to leave him out there.

493
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 2: So, yeah, he doesn't have his keys, he doesn't have

494
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 2: a wallet, he doesn't have a phone. How is he

495
00:29:57,680 --> 00:29:59,959
Speaker 2: going to get home? Why would you take the car back?

496
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:01,959
Speaker 2: Why would you take his only mode of transportation?

497
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 1: The parents ever been charged?

498
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 2: Well, well, listen, at the end of the day, it

499
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 2: wouldn't have served us any good. Yeah, we've had a

500
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 2: moment of yeah, you know, that's great, But right after

501
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 2: that moment, we're back to this sucks, you know what

502
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 2: I mean. So, but Nikky Tarrant and Jim myself, I mean,

503
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 2: we kind of banded together and tried to use our

504
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 2: tragedy to help others because Gaby really touched so many people,

505
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 2: and it'd be wasteful and shameful to not utilize what

506
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 2: she went through to spotlight on how so many others

507
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 2: go through it. Domestic violence is a crazy thing that

508
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 2: no one likes to talk about. Can I curse? Can

509
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 2: I can I curse? Hears that?

510
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 3: Okay?

511
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 2: Talk about it? Talk about it like I'm dead, worrious,

512
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 2: like enough. Real, the shame of domestic violence belongs to

513
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 2: the pos that does it and not the people that

514
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 2: have it done too, all right, And so if you

515
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 2: hear or know or see or it went through, you

516
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 2: put that shame where it belongs on the abuser, because

517
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 2: that's the piece that deserves it.

518
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 4: Right on crime stories with Nancy Grace, what leads you

519
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 4: to believe that all along the laundries in you Gabby

520
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 4: had been killed and did nothing?

521
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 1: Of course, in our jurisprudence, you do not have the

522
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 1: duty to act.

523
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 4: You don't have the dity to save somebody, to report anything.

524
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 4: You may have a fiduciary duty if you like, if

525
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 4: it's your child, or if you have a contractual agreement,

526
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 4: like you're a babysitter or a granny, nanny or a custodian,

527
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 4: But other than that, you don't have a duty to

528
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 4: report anything to the police at all if you don't

529
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 4: want to. In this case, what other evidence exists to

530
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 4: suggest that they took part in a cover up.

531
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 2: Or is there any Well, I'll tell you how we

532
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 2: got there, and this is because of their attorney, Stephen Berdollino.

533
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 2: It's how we got there, and this is why when

534
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 2: you commit a crime, you don't hire a real estate attorney.

535
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 2: I just want that to be sounded. Vice. We had

536
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 2: our attorney, Patrick Riley, who, by the way, is an

537
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 2: amazingly handsome guy. I think my wife would leave me

538
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 2: for him. He wasn't married because she listen, he's tall,

539
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 2: he's handsome, he's really tan. It's fantastic anyway. So he

540
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 2: was looking for a reason of how to bring that suit,

541
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 2: because what happened was when everything was done, the FBI said,

542
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 2: we want you to go after them civilly because you

543
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 2: can get depositions, and those depositions we could use because

544
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 2: they would be public. So we said absolutely, but to

545
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 2: build a criminal case.

546
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 7: So he needed.

547
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 2: A reason to go after them. And what he went

548
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 2: after them with is the words from Stephen Bertolino that

549
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 2: we hope Abbey's reunited with their family. By the way,

550
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:24,719
Speaker 2: in court, they turned around and said, oh, we never

551
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 2: meant her living. It could have been her corpse that

552
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 2: we met. That was that's what they said in court.

553
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 2: By the way, those mastards right, screw them. But it

554
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 2: was because of their attorney that's what we got those depositions,

555
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 2: and they thought it was funny In those depositions, Like

556
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 2: the mom was laughing, Roberta was laughing, like it was

557
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 2: a freaking joke.

558
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 3: What everything just so that a whole burn after reading

559
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 3: letter that she had wrote to Brian. We don't know

560
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 3: when she said. It was right before the trip we have,

561
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 3: we don't We still don't know when. She was laughing

562
00:33:56,520 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 3: The entire just a joke. Everything in that letter, me burying,

563
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 3: you know, helping you hide a body. Oh, that's it's

564
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 3: it's a children's book, from a children's book.

565
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:09,800
Speaker 1: ROBERTA.

566
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 4: Laundry wrote a letter to Brian Laundry offering to help

567
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:20,320
Speaker 4: bury or hide a body, and the letter said burn

568
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 4: after reading.

569
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 1: And according to ROBERTA. Laundry, what was the excuse?

570
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 3: It was from a children Oh yeah, it was a

571
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 3: children's book. So it was just an inside joke that

572
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 3: they had, you know, just something really funny. And but

573
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 3: her and Brian were having difficulties before they before they

574
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 3: Gabby and him left on the trip, so she was

575
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,880
Speaker 3: writing it to him to try to let him know

576
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 3: how much she loved him.

577
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 4: I've never offered to burn a body for my bury

578
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:55,720
Speaker 4: a body, and I mean I never thought to say something.

579
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 2: So it's like Norman Bates like that she would wash

580
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:00,840
Speaker 2: him in a tub and stuff, like as a teenager.

581
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 2: It's horrible.

582
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 3: She is that was the mastermind? Like she was just

583
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 3: just sitting there at a deposition and they wanted us

584
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 3: to feel sorry for them.

585
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:15,719
Speaker 1: Why do you say that?

586
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 3: Because they said it. Berlina was like they had pitchforks

587
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 3: in front of our house. There were so many people

588
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 3: with pitchforks, and you know that was so unfair to

589
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:28,839
Speaker 3: us that they Why were they doing that to us?

590
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 3: Are you kidding? Why didn't we go to them and

591
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 3: try to, you know, have a relationship with them.

592
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 1: Where does any legal actions stand now?

593
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 3: Right now? Will the civil cases done? We had to

594
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 3: settle because of a law in Florida where if they

595
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 3: offer a settlement and you go to trial, if you

596
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:58,320
Speaker 3: turn it down, and you turn it down and you

597
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 3: go to trial and they the jury awards you only

598
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 3: seventy five percent of that, you are you have to

599
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 3: pay all of their legal fees. Yeah, today, it's kind

600
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 3: of a way to make you settle so you don't

601
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 3: go to trial. Then there's the other issue of freedom

602
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,760
Speaker 3: of speech, where they would have appealed and we probably

603
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 3: would have lost. We got the information we wanted. We

604
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 3: wanted them to be deposed. We wanted to see what

605
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 3: they were going to say in the depositions. We got all.

606
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 3: We got those answers and that's all we wanted. We

607
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 3: Once we settled with them, it was like a huge

608
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 3: weight kind of lifted off my shoulders. I just want

609
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:42,879
Speaker 3: to forget about them. I don't want to think about them.

610
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 3: I have really crazy thoughts of like what I would

611
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 3: like to do to them, but.

612
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 2: Sometimes want to lay that out because I'm annoying, is anything.

613
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 3: So we after we got the depositions, we sent it

614
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 3: over to the FBI because Christopher Laundry had stated that

615
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:09,840
Speaker 3: Gabby was gone in the depositions and that you know

616
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 3: she They thought she just ran off and that's you

617
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 3: know why. But they did not do anything that was

618
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 3: that was it.

619
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:20,800
Speaker 1: Did you guys have any idea that Gabby was being beaten?

620
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 2: It's other than the mo app stop.

621
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 8: No.

622
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 2: To be honest with you, we did.

623
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:32,360
Speaker 3: I did not like Brian why. I had co signed

624
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 3: a car for Gabby before she even reunited with Brian

625
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 3: and they started dating again. This is when we were

626
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 3: trying to get her to go to school and she

627
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 3: needed a car, and I was like, I'll co sign

628
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 3: this car for you. And but you're making the payments,

629
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 3: you're going to school, and you're making the payments. I'm

630
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:52,840
Speaker 3: just here, God forbid, you need something to help. And

631
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 3: you know she wouldn't have got the loan otherwise. Well,

632
00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 3: when her and Brian left to moved down to Florida

633
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 3: after their first trip, pretty much all payments had stopped.

634
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 3: She stopped making car payments. She wound up returning the

635
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:11,360
Speaker 3: car early to get the van and stuck me with

636
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 3: a thirty two hundred dollars bill to return the car early.

637
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 3: At this point, I'm like, why isn't Brian helping her.

638
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 3: They're a couple, they're engaged to be married. Like there's

639
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:25,240
Speaker 3: some there's something not right there going on all these trips,

640
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 3: and I just felt something was off. I had felt

641
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 3: something I have. I guess like visions a lot. You

642
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 3: know you were talking about the spiritual aspects. I do

643
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 3: get visions and sometimes they come true, and there's a

644
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 3: god of questions regarding that.

645
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 4: Do either of you feel that you have felt Gabby's

646
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 4: presence or communicated with her in any way since she

647
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 4: went to heaven?

648
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 3: Yeah?

649
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 1: What happened.

650
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 3: I guess signs from her all the time. I actually so,

651
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 3: I felt her presence when we're sleeping. I would feel

652
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 3: like she was going to try to walk into our

653
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 3: room all the time and want to hug us. And

654
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 3: I actually went to a psychic medium and they were like,

655
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 3: you need to just go to sleep so she can,

656
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 3: And they had no idea that I felt that they

657
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 3: had done. I didn't say it during this, no one

658
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 3: would know that. He didn't even know that.

659
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 2: Well, I have a deal with this, all right, Listen.

660
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 2: I don't mess with ghosts. Ghosts, don't mess with me.

661
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 2: We're good to go. I don't. I don't know. Uh.

662
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:30,280
Speaker 3: When she was when we were trying to report her missing,

663
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 3: there was a lot of rain and a lot of

664
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 3: thunder and we had just moved down to Florida. It

665
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:39,799
Speaker 3: was like an unseasonal lea bat I'm sorry, un seasonally

666
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 3: a lot more than normal rain of rain and we

667
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,319
Speaker 3: were actually going to get some a bite to eat,

668
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 3: and they thunder lightning hit my car and it was

669
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 3: like next to you, right next to the car, and

670
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 3: I felt it in my spine and I was like,

671
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 3: that was Gabby telling us to wake up. I knew it,

672
00:39:57,760 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 3: like I knew it right then and there, like that's

673
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:02,320
Speaker 3: Gabby coming to tell me, like we need to we

674
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 3: need to start moving along.

675
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 2: And but look what's happened since.

676
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 3: But she well she sends me signs all the time.

677
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:10,280
Speaker 2: No, no's not I mean, but look what's happened since Gabby?

678
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 2: You know all that happened. You see more missing person flyers,

679
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 2: you know, on your social media feeds than you ever

680
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 2: have before. You see more missing person stories come up

681
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 2: on social media, I mean, on the regular mainstream media

682
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 2: than you have before. The Emmanuel Harrold we were talking

683
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 2: about before, you know, stuff like that. You start seeing that.

684
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 2: You see domestic violence education, you know, programs being more

685
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:37,760
Speaker 2: put into schools and stuff. And that's really because Taran Nikki.

686
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:41,760
Speaker 2: They go across the country talking about education and prevention

687
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 2: anywhere they can go, colleges, high schools, conferences.

688
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 3: There's a lot of amazing programs out there, but they're

689
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 3: in pockets. So like one town will have an amazing

690
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 3: program and they're working with the DV Organization, but the

691
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 3: next town over is not, and the CV.

692
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:03,359
Speaker 1: Foundation doing well.

693
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 2: We will have that's on who you ask, because because

694
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 2: it's four of us. Right, So Jim wrote an amazing

695
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 2: first responder program where he goes around teaching firefighters and

696
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:16,840
Speaker 2: emt s as you know, on signs of domestic violence

697
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 2: and how to spot those and give information where to

698
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,320
Speaker 2: go if you're in that situation, because that's the number

699
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 2: one thing anyone here like see. That might be the

700
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:26,880
Speaker 2: wrong audience for this, but if you're in a domestic

701
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 2: violent situation that's non violent, does anyone not know where

702
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 2: to go? And don't be afraid. You can raise your

703
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:34,799
Speaker 2: hand if you if you don't know where to call,

704
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 2: we always say the National Domestic Violence Hotline one eight

705
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:40,320
Speaker 2: hundred and seventy nine nine safe is the number that

706
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:42,359
Speaker 2: we like to give out. It's a great starting point.

707
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 2: But most people don't know where to go, all right,

708
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 2: So Jim, he wrote that program, he's going around. Matter

709
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 2: of fact, I think it just went into the fdi

710
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 2: C where it's going to get credited for it. So

711
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 2: that's actually the Jim is absolutely hopefully well.

712
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:58,959
Speaker 3: He's a first responder. Yeah, and that's what he built

713
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 3: his that's his career and he never received any type

714
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 3: of DV training in his twenty years O wow of

715
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 3: being active surveyed on.

716
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:14,240
Speaker 4: And that's so critical here because in Moab, where Gabby

717
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:19,799
Speaker 4: was alive with laundry, he domestically assaulted her.

718
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 1: He slapped her. People saw him do it on main Street.

719
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 4: And if he would do that in public, literally on

720
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 4: main street, right in the face, what would he do

721
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 4: behind closed doors. So when they were pulled over after that,

722
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 4: Gabby was saying, like, it's really kind of my fault

723
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:48,240
Speaker 4: because I started it, maybe verbally, maybe she said something,

724
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 4: and then she got beaten and threatened that he was

725
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:54,320
Speaker 4: going to leave with her car and leave her strand,

726
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:56,879
Speaker 4: and she was trying to get back in. I mean,

727
00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 4: that is domestic abuse. And some have the cops named

728
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 4: her the aggressor. She's like this big and this big around.

729
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:07,280
Speaker 1: And she's the aggressor.

730
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 2: He wasn't much bigger, you know.

731
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:12,399
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, and the state of Utah, they were

732
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 3: supposed to be utilizing the lethality assessment. They had an

733
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 3: hour and a half with her, they could have utilized it.

734
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:22,280
Speaker 3: It just was not mandated where now it is mandated

735
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 3: in the state of Utah, which we.

736
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:25,839
Speaker 2: Got the law changed. We helped change the law there,

737
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 2: yep ye.

738
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:33,799
Speaker 3: And in the state of Florida the law.

739
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 2: We changed the law in Florida. Then we also changed

740
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:41,839
Speaker 2: how missing persons are reported in Florida. And we also

741
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:44,879
Speaker 2: did in national what's called Help Find the Missing Act

742
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 2: for for missing people. So and now we're working on

743
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 2: the lethality assessment we did in Utah in Florida. Is

744
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:53,799
Speaker 2: it October? I think I'm going up to New York. Yes,

745
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 2: we're doing there and then's hopefully get passed in the

746
00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 2: House UH in January for the next session and will

747
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 2: be five laws and four years.

748
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:02,239
Speaker 5: Wow.

749
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 1: Wow wow.

750
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:05,919
Speaker 7: Yeah.

751
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 1: What is the name of the foundation for people to

752
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:11,280
Speaker 1: go look at our foundation?

753
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 3: It's Gabby Potito Founding Gabby Potito Foundation.

754
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 1: I just wanted to Oh.

755
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I mean so, so we actually designed shirts

756
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 3: and you can there. We also have a store so

757
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 3: to raise money and it all goes to help with

758
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 3: the foundations. So we're actually wearing two of the shirts.

759
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 2: That we have on the store three three because I

760
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 2: get my hoodie on because it's cool. He will tell you,

761
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 2: like it's cool.

762
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 1: So what kind of things do you do? Does the

763
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 1: foundation did well?

764
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 4: So?

765
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:40,360
Speaker 2: Jim's got the first Responder program. I do all the

766
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:45,279
Speaker 2: legislative work and then Tara and Nikky go around everywhere. Well,

767
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 2: Tara does all the back end work first.

768
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 3: I do a lot of the back you know, I

769
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 3: have a career, no paperwork for me, Yeah, so I

770
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 3: take it. I take care of all of the paperwork

771
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 3: and our bookkeeping and and all of that.

772
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 4: Would you guys be willing to answer questions from the listeners, Absolutely,

773
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 4: but real quick, i'd you like so if I can

774
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 4: just wrote a part so I know, we talked about

775
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 4: Laramie in the beginning and Laradie.

776
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 3: So Nicki and I are actually going out there next

777
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 3: week again to speak at their luncheon. Last year we

778
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 3: spoke at the and they had a hard time bringing

779
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 3: in people to get to this luncheon. Because Nicki and

780
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 3: I were there, they sold out, so that was amazing.

781
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 3: But when we visited the shelter, they did not have

782
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 3: a security fence, and that was something that was like

783
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 3: shocking because the survivors that are going there they need

784
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 3: that for their protection. It's about fifty four thousand for

785
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 3: this security fence. So we are we're going to donate

786
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:47,320
Speaker 3: twenty seven thousand from the foundation and now we're trying

787
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:50,919
Speaker 3: to raise the other half. So if you all find

788
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 3: it in your hearts and go to the Gabby Potito

789
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 3: Foundation and just make a donation. You can do it

790
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 3: right through PayPal, put in a message that this is

791
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:04,439
Speaker 3: for Laradise, Laramie or defense, and then we'll make.

792
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 2: Sure it gets Yeah, we're going to make sure that

793
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 2: they have security, like a shoe.

794
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 3: On top of the twenty seven thousand.

795
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 4: Who has a question, Sure, y'all go to those mics.

796
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 4: There's one on either side.

797
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 1: Right now.

798
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 9: I'm going through a situation. My niece, Hailey Rayley, was

799
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:33,720
Speaker 9: murdered by her husband April of this year. I consider

800
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:38,240
Speaker 9: what she was going through was domestic abuse. It wasn't physical,

801
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:46,840
Speaker 9: but it was psychological and her husband had threatened to

802
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 9: commit suicide for maybe a year or two. We don't

803
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 9: know the whole story. Just like what y'all were talking about.

804
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 9: My niece wasn't found for like four days, but her

805
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:02,280
Speaker 9: husband had committed suicide right next to her. My sister

806
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 9: was informed that nobody had seen her at her office,

807
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 9: and so that started the search for her. But like

808
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 9: I said, I just wanted to mention my niece's name,

809
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:17,400
Speaker 9: and also I want to get the word out that

810
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:22,879
Speaker 9: physical abuse is not the only domestic abuse, psychological abuse.

811
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Speaker 3: Is just as damning.

812
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 1: Thank you.

813
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 9: I want to thank the whole panel, but thank you

814
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 9: for doing what you're doing it and thank you Nancy

815
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 9: for doing this today.

816
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 3: Yep, I'm so sorry for your loss. And her name

817
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 3: deserves to be heard. Name her story. You know what

818
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:46,359
Speaker 3: creating awareness sometimes is putting those old the stories out there,

819
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 3: and it's not easy, it's difficult. But as we come

820
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:54,400
Speaker 3: together and our hashtag is together, we can. We come

821
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 3: together as communities, we come together with our you know,

822
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 3: their voices, their voices to be heard.

823
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, yes hi.

824
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 5: First of all, thank you guys all for being here

825
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 5: and especially you guys for your advocacy and everything.

826
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 1: It's really inspiring.

827
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:20,400
Speaker 5: My question, so, I'm young, I'm on social media everything, TikTok.

828
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 5: I remember the news breaking, I remember watching it. I

829
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:27,359
Speaker 5: followed the whole case throughout it, and I know social

830
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:30,719
Speaker 5: media really helped build the case and I think really

831
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 5: helped where you guys are today. But my question is

832
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:36,880
Speaker 5: where do you think the case really would have played

833
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:38,800
Speaker 5: out if social media wasn't a part of it.

834
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 2: I don't think we would have found it.

835
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 3: I don't know.

836
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, to be honest with you, I really don't when

837
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:46,360
Speaker 2: you see and I'm not putting the you know, the

838
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:49,320
Speaker 2: blame on the police. I won't do that because, to

839
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:51,800
Speaker 2: be honest with you, I think they're very overworked, especially

840
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:55,719
Speaker 2: when you start talking small communities like in Moab. There's

841
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:58,360
Speaker 2: nineteen officers that in that precinct.

842
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:02,319
Speaker 3: Matter of fact, I want to just say, there's nineteen officers.

843
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 3: All of them are new except for one.

844
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 2: Right, you guess the one.

845
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 3: The one.

846
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 2: But when it comes to that, I don't think we

847
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 2: would have found her. And that's that's my opinion because

848
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 2: it was twenty five hundred miles and the way they

849
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 2: handle missing persons sometimes without the FBI getting involved, I

850
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 2: don't think the jurisdictions would have laid.

851
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 3: So yeah, if you're ever in a situation, use those

852
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 3: used social media.

853
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 4: I mean that's how as I was saying, red blue

854
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:33,760
Speaker 4: and the thing is there online their social media handle

855
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 4: saw the transit went that was like Gabby's.

856
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 1: They have never met again.

857
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:41,399
Speaker 3: The day after Gabby was found, it's it's snow, snow,

858
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:43,880
Speaker 3: so we might not have Yeah, they would have stopped.

859
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, it wouldn't have seen her until the

860
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 2: snow thought, so, Yeah, answer your question, I don't think

861
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:53,759
Speaker 2: we would have, and it's because of you that we did.

862
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:56,800
Speaker 2: So I thank all of you everyone to be honest

863
00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 2: with you, and that's kind of the reason why we

864
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 2: do what we do now, is kind of payback the

865
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:02,759
Speaker 2: help that you guys gave us.

866
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 3: But we also have tools on our website. So if

867
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 3: your loved one ever does go missing, we have a

868
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 3: list of tools of how to try to get their

869
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 3: story out as much as possible.

870
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Speaker 2: And because you're on social media, I'd like to give

871
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:18,799
Speaker 2: advice to everyone else here as well. Take as many

872
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:23,799
Speaker 2: photos and videos, yes, because in the news or in TikTok, right,

873
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 2: because that's I love TikTok. By the way, it's like

874
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:27,360
Speaker 2: mindless to me, but it's also me, you think. At

875
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 2: the same time, you learn a lot. But the movements

876
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 2: and the body language and the sound of their voice

877
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:37,880
Speaker 2: helps sell their story. And that sounds horrible, like it

878
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 2: sounds really really miserable to say it like that, but

879
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:43,440
Speaker 2: that's what gets it on the mainstream media to create

880
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 2: that awareness. So annoy your kids and take the videos,

881
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 2: and I do believe it can help if needed.

882
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right, and we have those memories.

883
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, and I want to piggyback on that because one

884
00:50:56,600 --> 00:51:00,120
Speaker 6: thing Nancy and I always do on every investigation re

885
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 6: and post behavior. Gabby was fantastic about posting video. She

886
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 6: was fantastic about taking you know, texting and calling and

887
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 6: checking in, she sent postcards.

888
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 1: It all stopped.

889
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, there you go. That's very probative, Nancy.

890
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 7: If I could say one thing, the line share. You know,

891
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:22,399
Speaker 7: you hear about a lot of cases in the news.

892
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:27,800
Speaker 7: We cover them, you know, and if it doesn't catch

893
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:32,360
Speaker 7: the media's eye, there's so many homicides that occur that

894
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 7: no one ever, it doesn't make it through one cycle

895
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:36,239
Speaker 7: of the news.

896
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:38,920
Speaker 2: Here's a little truth for you.

897
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:43,319
Speaker 7: The line's share of homicides that occur out there are

898
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:47,239
Speaker 7: not stranger on stranger deaths. You know, they paint it

899
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 7: like somebody coming out of a dark alley they're going

900
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:52,880
Speaker 7: to attack in Yes, those who have the line share

901
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 7: of homicides occur with a person you're in relationship with.

902
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 7: They're rooted into astic violence. That's the line shared. The

903
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:06,279
Speaker 7: ones that we say, yeah, almost ninety percent, and it's

904
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 7: people don't really grasp that. That's why what the potitoes

905
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:15,320
Speaker 7: are doing this idea of getting at the grassroots relative

906
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 7: to the insidious problem. You're literally, and I know this

907
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:24,759
Speaker 7: sounds so roque, but you're literally saving lives by doing this.

908
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 7: If you can head these things off in the future,

909
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 7: people like me that work for medical examiners and corners offices,

910
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 7: we don't have to show up. Wouldn't that be a

911
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 7: beautiful thing that you can take another path? Perhaps, you know,

912
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 7: you don't want people like me showing up, you know,

913
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 7: And unfortunately things get to this point where they boil

914
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 7: over and to those people in Moab, you know, they

915
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:50,279
Speaker 7: had an opportunity to identify at that moment in time,

916
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 7: and in my opinion, they failed miserably.

917
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:56,360
Speaker 2: They've actually so you and NICKI were at a conference

918
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:58,239
Speaker 2: where they came to you afterwards.

919
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 3: And you guys were talking to them and yeah, so

920
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:05,439
Speaker 3: there's a new officer that is in Moab and he's

921
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 3: really trying to revamp their their department.

922
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:10,399
Speaker 2: They're taking the right.

923
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 1: Step taking question, Yeah, yeah, what's your question?

924
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 3: My question is you mentioned that you didn't like Brian

925
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 3: very much. I'm wondering what.

926
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:24,279
Speaker 9: Was the relationship before they moved to Florida, and do

927
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:27,360
Speaker 9: you believe his moved to Florida with her was to

928
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:29,920
Speaker 9: alienate her from the family.

929
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 3: So before she moved down to Florida, they took a

930
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:36,880
Speaker 3: cross country trip. They weren't dating at the time they

931
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:40,240
Speaker 3: started dating. I guess on that said trip. The second

932
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 3: they came back is when they moved down to Florida.

933
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 3: And at that point, yes, I do one hundred percent

934
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:48,239
Speaker 3: believe he was trying to isolate her. I had had

935
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 3: a conversation with Gabby and I was like, listen, I

936
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:53,439
Speaker 3: understand you want to go, and that's great, I said,

937
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 3: but you just took a trip. Maybe try to make

938
00:53:57,080 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 3: some money before you go down. Plan it so that

939
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:02,759
Speaker 3: you're not just coming going down there and living with

940
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:06,440
Speaker 3: him and his parents and his family. And the next

941
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 3: day they were they were already on their way, which.

942
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:13,560
Speaker 4: Is classic and domestic abuse to alienate typically the woman

943
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:16,359
Speaker 4: from her family and support grate.

944
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 1: So, yes, that happens.

945
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:22,919
Speaker 3: See, that's something I didn't know, so never had any

946
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:26,360
Speaker 3: you know, prevention classes. Never when I went to school,

947
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:29,720
Speaker 3: there was nothing that they didn't teach about domestic violence.

948
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 3: So that's what we're trying to change now because everybody

949
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:36,759
Speaker 3: should learn the red flags. Everybody should learn to teach

950
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:40,680
Speaker 3: their children not to be abusers as well. It's not

951
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 3: just about being abusive or you know, learning the red

952
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 3: flags not being abusive.

953
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 2: If you have children in schools, talk to your schools

954
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 2: about these programs, because there are schools that won't allow

955
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 2: us to mention certain things. Like we went down to

956
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:56,760
Speaker 2: a state and they're like, well you can't mention sex.

957
00:54:57,520 --> 00:55:00,480
Speaker 2: I'm like, so we can talk. And I don't care

958
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:02,720
Speaker 2: where you sit with you know, politics or other stuff

959
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 2: like I honestly, I just don't care about it. You know,

960
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 2: I care about treating people right, you know, be nice

961
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:09,760
Speaker 2: to people. As long as you do that, you should

962
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 2: be good. And the fact that we don't teach our

963
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:17,280
Speaker 2: children everyone was it's life skill. We teach life skills

964
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:19,840
Speaker 2: like how to cook, how to sew, how about staying alive.

965
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 2: You know, it's a life skill. So these things should

966
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:25,640
Speaker 2: be taught. So if you have talk to your children,

967
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:28,080
Speaker 2: see if they if they're learning about it. If they're not,

968
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:31,719
Speaker 2: send them to our website. Find a different website. I

969
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:33,160
Speaker 2: don't care which one you go. It doesn't have to

970
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:35,640
Speaker 2: be us. Just find a program and talk to them,

971
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:37,920
Speaker 2: maybe show them the documentary, you know, and be like

972
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:39,600
Speaker 2: this can happen to anyone.

973
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 3: On our website, we have the Gabby Potito Alliance where

974
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:47,200
Speaker 3: it's again together we can So there's other organizations on

975
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:49,800
Speaker 3: there that you can. You can look on their websites

976
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 3: to see if there's any tools that might suit what

977
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:52,960
Speaker 3: you need.

978
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 2: This is a really cool program called Purple One. I

979
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:57,400
Speaker 2: love talking about this program. It's got nothing to do

980
00:55:57,480 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 2: with our foundation. It's a really good show. What they

981
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 2: do is if you have a storefront, they'll they'll teach you.

982
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:05,040
Speaker 2: They'll do like a four hour class.

983
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:07,960
Speaker 3: I think it's a bystander program where it's a four

984
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:12,600
Speaker 3: hour class. It's all online. It's free where they'll teach

985
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 3: you because you might not know what to do. You

986
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:18,560
Speaker 3: have a you have a storefront, so they'll teach you

987
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:20,920
Speaker 3: this bystander program and they'll put you can put a

988
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:24,840
Speaker 3: dot on it. And they might only be allowed to

989
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 3: go to one store. So now if they go to

990
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:31,560
Speaker 3: this store, they know that they maybe you can get

991
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:34,120
Speaker 3: connected to some resources within that community.

992
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 2: So if you have community or storefronts, that's a great program.

993
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:37,920
Speaker 2: It's it's nationwide.

994
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:38,319
Speaker 1: Guys.

995
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:41,960
Speaker 4: You just had a case like this, the domestic violence

996
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 4: victim was mom took bought and her friend was allowed

997
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 4: to take her to the Indian spice store to pick

998
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:53,320
Speaker 4: up the spices to make the foods.

999
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:56,799
Speaker 1: The only place she could go. Right, Just what they're

1000
00:56:56,840 --> 00:57:00,080
Speaker 1: saying that that the Purple.

1001
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:02,319
Speaker 2: Great, It's a fantastic program. Definitely check it out.

1002
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:02,640
Speaker 3: Question.

1003
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:06,480
Speaker 8: I have a fourteen year old and I teach her

1004
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 8: all about the red flags and she rolls her eyes

1005
00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:12,440
Speaker 8: and all of that. But I know that her friends

1006
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:17,080
Speaker 8: they don't know anything about that, And how can I

1007
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 8: reach them and tell them? Like, I think it's a

1008
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 8: good idea, you know, for that, I.

1009
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:25,360
Speaker 4: Think a movie is a great idea, Like Sleeping with

1010
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:26,720
Speaker 4: the Enemy with Julia Roberts.

1011
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:27,520
Speaker 1: Oh, I like that.

1012
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 2: That was a brutal one.

1013
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, say eh, that really happens.

1014
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:41,400
Speaker 4: I constantly send the children this one is missing, that

1015
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:44,640
Speaker 4: one is missing. I'm like, don't do what happened here.

1016
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 4: Don't walk to your car across the parking lot by

1017
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:48,720
Speaker 4: yourself in the dark.

1018
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:49,120
Speaker 2: Don't this.

1019
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:51,440
Speaker 4: I mean, they're so over it, but I know they

1020
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 4: see those texts, so at least they see the headline.

1021
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:56,160
Speaker 1: Just you can't quit.

1022
00:57:56,680 --> 00:57:59,200
Speaker 2: You'll find a way and encourage an open relationship with

1023
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:03,640
Speaker 2: your kids at all times. My oldest boy and my wife.

1024
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:05,200
Speaker 2: I mean, he tells us too much stuff like.

1025
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:07,200
Speaker 3: Oh my god, it's like I don't need to know

1026
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:11,920
Speaker 3: this information. But my other one he does not. He's

1027
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 3: very quiet and trying to get like I mean, trying

1028
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:17,400
Speaker 3: to get answers out of him. Sometimes it's just one word.

1029
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:20,440
Speaker 3: I just constantly and trying to have a conversation with

1030
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:23,160
Speaker 3: trying to constantly making sure that you know, he knows

1031
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:25,440
Speaker 3: I'm always there for him and that the lines of

1032
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:30,720
Speaker 3: communication are open. My other son, who the older one has,

1033
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:33,640
Speaker 3: always has his friends over the same thing. I talk

1034
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:35,440
Speaker 3: to them. I talk to them. I try to have

1035
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 3: their you know, an open conversation with them just as much,

1036
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:39,760
Speaker 3: just so that they.

1037
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:43,680
Speaker 1: Know I have a great idea. Tell them about meeting

1038
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:47,000
Speaker 1: Gabby's family. Yeah, and about Gabby.

1039
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:50,880
Speaker 3: Oh, we encourage people to use Gabby's story. Oh yeah,

1040
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:55,440
Speaker 3: we encourage we encourage law enforcement to use the moebs stuff.

1041
00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's been used around the country.

1042
00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 4: So hey, guys, they have literally one more minute, quick question.

1043
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:04,960
Speaker 1: Thank you you will.

1044
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:05,440
Speaker 3: Hi.

1045
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:08,160
Speaker 8: I was just wondering if you guys have had any

1046
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:11,960
Speaker 8: conversation or connection with Cassie Brian's sister, because her stories

1047
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:12,680
Speaker 8: have teached a lot.

1048
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:16,040
Speaker 3: Did she ever admit to knowing anything. No, we have

1049
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:19,080
Speaker 3: not talked to the Laundries except with the deposition, but

1050
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:20,800
Speaker 3: that was it and we didn't even talk to them

1051
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:21,280
Speaker 3: our lawyers.

1052
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:23,640
Speaker 2: And to be honest with you, I appreciate it, it's

1053
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:26,080
Speaker 2: not it doesn't serve us any good anymore. And now

1054
00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:28,600
Speaker 2: it's about everybody else. So if you have a missing

1055
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 2: person's story or you need help getting something out there,

1056
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:33,240
Speaker 2: you can reach out. We'll try and get it out there,

1057
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:35,480
Speaker 2: you know, and do whatever you can to help as

1058
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:36,360
Speaker 2: many people as we can.

1059
00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:40,520
Speaker 1: If you didn't get all this information, they have agreed.

1060
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:43,280
Speaker 1: I think he agreed while you weren't there.

1061
00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:47,520
Speaker 4: Oh, but to come on Crime Stories at your convenience

1062
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:55,240
Speaker 4: and put out the websites, the numbers, the everything, and

1063
00:59:56,000 --> 01:00:03,080
Speaker 4: if you want Twitter, FaceTime, Facebook, give us your questions

1064
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:05,400
Speaker 4: and I will send them on to them when they

1065
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:08,480
Speaker 4: join us next week. Because this one hour was really

1066
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:10,280
Speaker 4: just not enough, not enough.

1067
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:13,280
Speaker 3: So we're also actually doing a five K right now,

1068
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:16,160
Speaker 3: so it's a virtual five K. It started already.

1069
01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:21,280
Speaker 1: I think I could do a virtual fuck yeah, and then.

1070
01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:24,520
Speaker 3: It's in person. It's up in New York, it's in

1071
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:29,320
Speaker 3: Gabby's hometown and that is on September twentieth.

1072
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:37,000
Speaker 4: So guys, the message is say her thing, Gabby Petitas,

1073
01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:38,920
Speaker 4: thank you,